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Speaker 1: Fresh episode of Fish Bites. You know me by now.

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Speaker 1: It's Eli Sussman, the managing editor of Fish Stripes, but

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Speaker 1: I've got a ton of company. On this special, special

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Speaker 1: podcast episode, we will be discussing the candidates for our

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Speaker 1: Marlins Hall of Fame, the first of its kinds getting

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Speaker 1: started this year during the delayed season. The inaullgir Old Class,

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Speaker 1: the class of twenty twenty gets inducted this summer, and

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Speaker 1: we got the fan balloting open right now, so get

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Speaker 1: to it. If you're listening to this, make sure to

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Speaker 1: go to fish Stripes dot com. It's got all the info,

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Speaker 1: but how you vote, how you spread it around. We

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Speaker 1: want as many people as possible involved in the process,

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Speaker 1: and before all that information got out to the public,

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Speaker 1: we as a staff made some internal decisions about the

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Speaker 1: players that would should be under consideration. We have four

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Speaker 1: different guys from the Stripes joining me on the pod,

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Speaker 1: one at a time that are gonna help us break

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Speaker 1: down this whole situation and you know, give their perspectives

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Speaker 1: on the different players and even the non players that

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Speaker 1: we're gonna get to at the end of the episode.

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Speaker 1: So on the call today, we have Alex controvers what's.

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Speaker 2: Up, guys. How's everybody doing?

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Speaker 1: Great to have you here. Brother, returning guest from earlier

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Speaker 1: this year, a couple of months ago. It's Anthony red Garcia.

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Speaker 3: Hey, guys, how's it going?

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Speaker 1: Alex Krutchik, Tyler Hey, guys, how are you? And checking

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Speaker 1: in from the West coast? Tyler Wilson, Hey, what's going off?

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Speaker 4: This starts nation. I'm here to defend Kevin Brown's honor.

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Speaker 1: So Kevin Brown, someone that is not necessarily on our

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Speaker 1: ballot year because of reasons that I'm going to explain.

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Speaker 1: Laid out some guidelines when I was putting this together,

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Speaker 1: just some backgrounds. The idea of probably came to me

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Speaker 1: for the first time like a year ago, you know,

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Speaker 1: understanding the lack of Marlin's representation in the big national

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Speaker 1: Baseball Hall of Fame. But I got a credit on Twitter,

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Speaker 1: the count Fish Army three h five. They were the

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Speaker 1: ones that really put the thought back into my head

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Speaker 1: just a week or so ago. And then I got

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Speaker 1: to work, you know, narrowing down the candidates. We initially

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Speaker 1: had a list of close to eighty names of players

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Speaker 1: in the Marlins history that should be under consideration. The

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Speaker 1: So those are the guys that are on the ballot

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Speaker 1: to choose. And first with the position players, these are

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Speaker 1: the position players that are under serious consideration to be

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Speaker 1: involved in this class of twenty twenty. Alphabetical order by

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Speaker 1: last name. Miguel Cabrera, Luis Castillo, Mister Marlin, Jeff co Nine,

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Speaker 1: and Dan the man Uggla. So I want to start

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Speaker 1: with Anthony because among the staff, we have these three

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Speaker 1: guys that finished in a tie for the highest voting

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Speaker 1: percentage among the staff with Miguel Cabrera, Jeff Conine, Gary Sheffield.

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Speaker 1: All three of those guys were close to unanimous. All three.

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Speaker 1: I don't want to vote for any of the fans,

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Speaker 1: Which of those guys of Miggy, Jeff Conine, Chef do

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Speaker 1: Who do you think is going to be the most

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Speaker 3: I'd say Miguel Cabrera most likely the fan favorite everywhere.

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Speaker 3: Just a great guy. I never had any issues here

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Speaker 3: five years. I think he's all around. He's going to

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Speaker 1: Anybody else, what do you think?

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Speaker 2: I mean it? Personally? For me, in my heart, man,

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Speaker 2: it's a close race between Miguel Cabrera and Gary Sheffield.

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Speaker 2: The guy was swinging for the fences. He was the

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Speaker 2: John Carlo before John Carlin. You know what I'm saying,

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Speaker 2: everybody wanted the chef deech personally. You know, I feel

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Speaker 2: Is it gonna be number twenty or is it going

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Speaker 1: I'm glad you brought that up, because I forgot to

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Speaker 1: So all these guys that haven't played since the beginning

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Speaker 1: the same question to Krutchik, what do you think who

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Speaker 7: Well, I honestly think that I got to agree with Miguel.

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Speaker 7: Migul Cabrera was the original Jean Carlos Stan kind of

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Speaker 7: one of the faces of that twentusand and three team.

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Speaker 7: I remember Miguel Cabrera, didn't He come up in the

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Speaker 7: And you still see people walking around with Miguel Cabrera

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Speaker 7: of the few players that people still identify with despite

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Speaker 7: not playing for the Marlins in what twelve thirteen years?

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, These guys broke my heart when they traded away Cabrera.

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Speaker 2: That's the only time they really got to me.

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Speaker 1: And I want to bring in Tyler here, because Tyler,

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Speaker 4: So for me personally, I really wanted to make sure

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Speaker 4: I think Miguel Cabrera, I think he's had moments that

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Speaker 4: So the things that he's done should be in the

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Speaker 3: The argument for Cabrera you said he didn't have wasn't

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Speaker 1: It's only four full seasons start each of those years.

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Speaker 3: He had a three thirteen batting average multiple playoff moments.

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Speaker 2: A Gary SHEFFIELDO played in Miami for six years. If

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Speaker 2: this guy was the main reason the Dodgers traded for

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Speaker 2: And if you guys really look deep into it, Gary

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Speaker 2: looking at the stats overall, man, Gary Sheffield. He was

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Speaker 4: For that, I mean, you're gonna look at the numbers.

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Speaker 4: even on them, the ninety five season was a little shortened.

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Speaker 4: So for me, his ninety sixth season was his best

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Speaker 2: I think we gotta look more past the season numbers.

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Speaker 2: We got to look into the postseason and a few

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Speaker 2: got to look into Gary Sheffield. Gary Sheffield making a

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I'm glad you brought up that catch. We

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Speaker 5: And told me with the crime he's hit one earlier,

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Speaker 3: right now from any shortstop we get. Yes, his batting

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Speaker 1: That's a question that I have in the fan balloting.

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Speaker 3: The chances are the younger guys are the ones using Twitter,

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Speaker 4: I actually have something about that. On Alex, so you

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Speaker 4: You said he was like the bar of a Marlin shortstop,

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Speaker 2: With all I see where you're coming from. I completely

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Speaker 2: These guys have a lot more rich history than we do. Yes,

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Speaker 2: The Stellart defense. Yeah, he got a short snubbed a

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Speaker 3: I just think people forget man, how I mean, he

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Speaker 9: A bad play.

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Speaker 3: The whole series is over look what happened to the

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Speaker 1: We spend a lot more time on Alex Gonzalez than

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Speaker 2: Gosh Beckett, man, I mean, look at the guy, bro.

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Speaker 2: He tore it up in the playoffs. He was buckling

435
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Speaker 2: Jeters beans.

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Speaker 6: Got him two outs, eight strikeout for Josh Beckett, Kareem

437
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Speaker 6: Garcia along with everybody else looking for the fastball, and

438
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Speaker 6: he didn't get it.

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Speaker 4: I'm gonna stand by that. I mean, you look at

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Speaker 4: his numbers in two thousand and three World Series. I

441
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Speaker 4: mean he had two starts and he had a one

442
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Speaker 4: point one al right, even though he went one on

443
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Speaker 4: one I mean the guy's clutch. I mean, this is

444
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Speaker 4: who he is. So yeah, absolutely, give me, give me

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Speaker 4: some Josh Beckett for one, one game only.

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Speaker 3: If you take out the playoffs. Would you, guys still

447
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Speaker 3: vote Josh Beckett at all? Would you even consider or

448
00:23:00,200 --> 00:23:02,000
Speaker 3: he won in thirty four three point fourty or in

449
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Speaker 3: five seasons, no awards.

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Speaker 2: Marble's on the table. I'm going with Josh Beckett. Jack

451
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Speaker 2: McKeon showed it. Jack McKinnon said, Yo, it's the same

452
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Speaker 2: in Spanish, Masalay Theado border. Viell get to Riado. Look

453
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Speaker 2: it up on Google. The Spanish people know what I'm

454
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Speaker 2: talking about. It basically says that the devil knows more

455
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Speaker 2: for being older than for being the devil. So you

456
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Speaker 2: know what I'm saying. I'm going with Beckett because they

457
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Speaker 2: gave him the ball. He was hungry, he had the

458
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Speaker 2: stuff in the moment, he was in his prime. He

459
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Speaker 2: went to the Yankee Stadium, he went to Chicago. He

460
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Speaker 2: did it against all lives, He did it against the Giants,

461
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Speaker 2: the red Socks. The red Socks said, we want Josh Beckett.

462
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Speaker 2: If you want Hanley re marriage, you got to think

463
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Speaker 2: about all these other things, and you also want to

464
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Speaker 2: think about Josh Becket. In his final season, he pitched

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Speaker 2: a no hitter. So I'm just gonna leave it at that.

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Speaker 1: With Beckett, like just focusing on the regular season stuff,

467
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Speaker 1: so its parts of five seasons before the trades him

468
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Speaker 1: away the Red Socks three four six ERA and by

469
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Speaker 1: Fangrafts combining the pitching and the hitting fourteen wins above replacement,

470
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Speaker 1: which puts him it's kind of similar to Josh Johnson

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Speaker 1: when you just for the ERA, except for the fact

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Speaker 1: that Beckett didn't spend nearly as much time with the

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Speaker 1: team during the regular season, didn't have as long as

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Speaker 1: a regular season career, and I'd say his peak wasn't

475
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Speaker 1: quite the same as as Johnson. That's going to be

476
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Speaker 1: such a big what if, because I mean, Josh Johnson

477
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Speaker 1: didn't even pitch in the majors after he turned thirty.

478
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Speaker 1: It all ended so quickly for him. But and he's

479
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Speaker 1: someone that if you're like really really young, like I

480
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Speaker 1: think the youngest people voting for this, or the youngest

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Speaker 1: people that just became fans, if they just became fans

482
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Speaker 1: for whatever reason, like after the rebrands, and those are

483
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Speaker 1: the ones that aren't going to appreciate how amazing JJ

484
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Speaker 1: was like when he was healthy. He really was just

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Speaker 1: untoppable when he was healthy.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, for the younger listeners, JJ was Jose before Jose.

487
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Speaker 3: People used to go to his starts just for him.

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Speaker 3: We I remember we used to plan or the games

489
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Speaker 3: we'd go to around when he was starting. We'd count

490
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Speaker 3: the five games. It's a shame what happened to him,

491
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Speaker 3: his injuries. He would have been He could have been

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Speaker 3: one of the greats, I think, but.

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Speaker 2: He respect to Dodge Johnson like, yeah, he was a

494
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Speaker 2: good picture now and I Jordam. It was a shame

495
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Speaker 2: that he was injury prone. But before Jose Fernandez, I

496
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Speaker 2: think the picture that took over that that that took

497
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Speaker 2: that baton that would make fans come out to the

498
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Speaker 2: stands with Dontrell Willis to do trains man. He would

499
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Speaker 2: just go out there. Fans were wound up. You want

500
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Speaker 2: to go see a left hand and the wind up.

501
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Speaker 2: Oh and when you get into the batter his box,

502
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Speaker 2: he would get a double, a triple, a home run.

503
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Speaker 2: The car man. It was all excited with the whole

504
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Speaker 2: time he had to he would steal bases. It was

505
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Speaker 2: crazy how many times would we see him at Shaye Stadium.

506
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Speaker 2: He would just hit home runs.

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Speaker 7: Of course you have to h add in how much

508
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Speaker 7: of a hitter he was. I think there was one

509
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Speaker 7: year where actually Dontrell Willis had the only Grand Slam

510
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Speaker 7: for the Marlins that season. I think he did do

511
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Speaker 7: it at shape.

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Speaker 2: I mean if you look at don Trelle and you

513
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Speaker 2: and you compare him to Jose, I mean, those are

514
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Speaker 2: those fun pitches that make me love the National League.

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Speaker 2: I mean you would look at Jack McKean or you

516
00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:12,960
Speaker 2: would look at a pitch hitter and be like, yo,

517
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Speaker 2: put in Dontrelle, put in Jose, and these guys would

518
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Speaker 2: come off the bench, hit a double, hit a home run,

519
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Speaker 2: hit a single, and it was just love. That's what

520
00:26:19,280 --> 00:26:22,200
Speaker 2: I love about baseball, particularly the National League baseball. It's

521
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Speaker 2: like a chess game. You were not at a position

522
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Speaker 2: players O D trained. You want to take a base hit,

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Speaker 2: Come on, let me see what you got.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he was amazing, especially for the era that he

525
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Speaker 1: was in. And I mean now in baseball and we're

526
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Speaker 1: even trending in this direction where the rosters are going

527
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Speaker 1: to be a little bit bigger. So like when you

528
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Speaker 1: have those Turkey decisions in the middle endings of the

529
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Speaker 1: game of whether to leave the picture in or whether

530
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Speaker 1: to like get a bat off the bench. You're gonna

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Speaker 1: see more and more of those pictures leaving games early.

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Speaker 1: But he was at his best. He was the guy

533
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Speaker 1: that you didn't want to remove him for anybody. He

534
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Speaker 1: was the guy that, at his peak during some of

535
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Speaker 1: those seasons, pretty close to a league average hitter or

536
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Speaker 1: at least a guy that had that league average power.

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Speaker 1: You know, he would give you that a really good

538
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Speaker 1: chance at an extra base it if the game was tied,

539
00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:11,680
Speaker 1: or even if you were trailing. He was the guy that, yeah,

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Speaker 1: you would keep him in because you actually trust him

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Speaker 1: to hit in those situations. I mean, based on my

542
00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:20,440
Speaker 1: own gut and based on how we kind of voted internally,

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Speaker 1: it's really him and Jose that seemed like the total

544
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Speaker 1: locks to get in on this class. It'll probably be

545
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Speaker 1: a couple other pitchers too, but those are the two

546
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Speaker 1: that really ran away from it, because I mean, what

547
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Speaker 1: really drives Jose home, aside from like all the positive

548
00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:37,600
Speaker 1: about him as a pitcher, is how well he did

549
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Speaker 1: when he was pitching at Marlins Park. I mean, the

550
00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:44,240
Speaker 1: numbers are insane, like pitching parts of four seasons at

551
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Speaker 1: Marlins Park and only losing twice in four years, parts

552
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Speaker 1: of four years, Like there was just something special about

553
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Speaker 1: how he connected with people.

554
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Speaker 4: I just wanted to run back to Josh Johnson real

555
00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:56,200
Speaker 4: quick because I feel like we really, like I think

556
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Speaker 4: the fans, they really need to know how special he

557
00:27:58,720 --> 00:28:01,760
Speaker 4: actually was. In his career for the Marlins. He had

558
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Speaker 4: a three point one five and nine hundred and sixteen innings.

559
00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:07,280
Speaker 4: You know, if he's not if he's not actually on

560
00:28:07,359 --> 00:28:09,880
Speaker 4: the team from five to thirteen, then do you think

561
00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:12,359
Speaker 4: the Marlins are competitive at all? Probably not. They're probably

562
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Speaker 4: one of the bottom hop teams, and that changes just

563
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Speaker 4: completely the Marlins baseball. I'm kind of curious though, if

564
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Speaker 4: injuries didn't destroy his career, if we would have played

565
00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:22,720
Speaker 4: it out twenty times, do you think this is probably

566
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Speaker 4: one of the worst careers he ever has, because I

567
00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:26,919
Speaker 4: think he truly could have been special if not for

568
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Speaker 4: the injuries.

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Speaker 2: That have I mean, couldn't you make the same argument

570
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Speaker 2: for a J. Burnett? I mean, Adrian Burnett was injury prone.

571
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Speaker 2: He was in Miami Marlin. If you look at his

572
00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:39,520
Speaker 2: overall numbers, he's forty nine wins fifty losses as the Marlins.

573
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Speaker 2: But I mean he threw a no hitter with them,

574
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Speaker 2: So who am I to say?

575
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Speaker 1: Now?

576
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Speaker 2: You always knew he was nasty. When you would play

577
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Speaker 2: on MVP Baseball, you would pick an AJ Burnett because

578
00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:50,760
Speaker 2: you know he had nasty enough of creditball.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, And Barnette's no hitter, though, is like, I

580
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Speaker 1: don't want to like discount it at all, because that's

581
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Speaker 1: an impression thing. And Marlins and the Marlins have thrown

582
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Speaker 1: more no nos than most other teams. They've already had

583
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Speaker 1: seven of them, you know, across their relatively short history.

584
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Speaker 1: But his was this was a ride. This was a

585
00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:13,560
Speaker 1: roller coaster. I think six or seven walks in that

586
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Speaker 1: no hitter. So he was really living on the edge.

587
00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:18,960
Speaker 2: But he got a done it. That's what I really

588
00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:20,960
Speaker 2: learned how to to go for that chant. You know

589
00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:22,560
Speaker 2: what I'm saying out a kid? That's all right, man,

590
00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:25,480
Speaker 2: he watched them lead off. We're gonna get the double

591
00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:27,600
Speaker 2: play kid out of kid. Here we go, kid, That's

592
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Speaker 2: all that was. He was just helping himself.

593
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Speaker 1: Out right, And what I was looking vacuated actually, And

594
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Speaker 1: I mean there's been a lot of times across Marlin's

595
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Speaker 1: history where you've seen their players get snubbed either for

596
00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:44,400
Speaker 1: the end of season awards or even for All Star

597
00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:47,680
Speaker 1: awards just because of the lack of visibility or if

598
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Speaker 1: they were on those teams that weren't contending them. And

599
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Speaker 1: if you look at Burnett in it was must have been

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Speaker 1: two thousand and two that that was, like, that was

601
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Speaker 1: one of the most ridiculous snubs ever of why he

602
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Speaker 1: wasn't an All Star that year where he was throwing

603
00:30:02,280 --> 00:30:04,360
Speaker 1: a ton of innings. Who was throwing he had a

604
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Speaker 1: ton of strikeouts, Like really, right up there it was

605
00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:09,959
Speaker 1: Randy Johnson, there was Kurt Shilling, and then after that

606
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Speaker 1: he was like really in that second tier of the

607
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Speaker 1: best pitchers in the first half of the season. And

608
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Speaker 1: one of the fun facts about him is that, like

609
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Speaker 1: he didn't become an All Star until the very end

610
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Speaker 1: of his career when he was in his late thirties.

611
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Speaker 1: He had that weird resurgence when he returned to the

612
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Speaker 1: National League. But yeah, he had those brief moments, you know,

613
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Speaker 1: in between injuries early in his career when he had

614
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Speaker 1: those stretches where he was pretty excellent, if not like

615
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Speaker 1: an ace then definitely a very strong number two picture

616
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Speaker 1: on a competitive team. And I mean while we're still

617
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Speaker 1: on pitchers. I guess, Tyler, if you wanted to go

618
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Speaker 1: back to the Kevin Brown conversation, because it was two

619
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Speaker 1: seasons with the team, There's a big deal when he arrived,

620
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Speaker 1: but it was a bigger deal when they got rid

621
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Speaker 1: of him right after ninety seven along with everybody else,

622
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Speaker 1: you know, snapped their fingers and really tore down that

623
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Speaker 1: entire team. But in between, he was he was special.

624
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Speaker 1: He was the most consistent pitcher on that whole staff

625
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Speaker 1: those couple of years that he was here.

626
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Speaker 4: So yeah, Kevin Brown, to me, I've really been looking

627
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Speaker 4: at it in our break, I've been really diving into

628
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Speaker 4: Marlins history, and I actually think it's hard to say

629
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Speaker 4: that Kevin Brown is not actually the most important player

630
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Speaker 4: in Marlins franchise history, which is going to sound crazy

631
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Speaker 4: to a lot of people because he only had two

632
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Speaker 4: years there. But if he's not successful in the ninety

633
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Speaker 4: six season, do they have the push for the ninety

634
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Speaker 4: seven World Series? Kevin Brown? If he's not successful when

635
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Speaker 4: they will not on that big free agent signing, does

636
00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:39,640
Speaker 4: that actually lead to any World Series at all because

637
00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:41,600
Speaker 4: you have to remember and Kevin Brown and ninety eight

638
00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:44,360
Speaker 4: was actually traded for Derek Lee, who was essential to

639
00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:47,080
Speaker 4: the two thousand and three World Series team. But that's

640
00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:49,680
Speaker 4: not even taken for his perspective. How good Kevin Brown was.

641
00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:53,240
Speaker 4: He posted a one point eight six ERA in his

642
00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:56,160
Speaker 4: first season with the Marlins. My bad. A one point

643
00:31:56,160 --> 00:32:00,520
Speaker 4: eighty nine and thirty two starts. That's amazing. He only

644
00:32:01,080 --> 00:32:03,920
Speaker 4: walked let me say, he only walked thirty three batters,

645
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Speaker 4: and sixteen of those batters he actually hit. Like, Kevin

646
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Speaker 4: Brown was one of the best pictures in the planet

647
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Speaker 4: from ninety five to two thousand and three. He's second

648
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Speaker 4: in the ERA and.

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Speaker 9: That well, we saw Fernandez. He was one out of

650
00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:21,720
Speaker 9: way in Chicago, got the look out, it's your no moment,

651
00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:32,480
Speaker 9: and Kevin Brown is being mobbed in the second no

652
00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:36,840
Speaker 9: hitter in Marlin history. The Giants had only one base

653
00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:38,480
Speaker 9: runner on a hit Batsman.

654
00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:41,880
Speaker 4: Like. I think that we really got a factor in

655
00:32:42,040 --> 00:32:45,040
Speaker 4: how amazing Kevin Brown was in that short stint of

656
00:32:45,080 --> 00:32:47,320
Speaker 4: time and how many things that that actually opened up

657
00:32:47,320 --> 00:32:49,080
Speaker 4: for the Marlins franchise in itself.

658
00:32:51,760 --> 00:32:54,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, and he's someone that is also in terms of

659
00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:57,560
Speaker 1: the Baseball Hall of Fame. He's someone that has really

660
00:32:57,560 --> 00:32:59,720
Speaker 1: compelling case that, for whatever reason, didn't get a whole

661
00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:02,640
Speaker 1: lot of strong consideration from the writers when they're voting

662
00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:05,360
Speaker 1: for the you know, the big Baseball Hall. And some

663
00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:07,200
Speaker 1: of that may have been that they just didn't like

664
00:33:07,280 --> 00:33:09,880
Speaker 1: him personally. Another part of that may have been just

665
00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:13,640
Speaker 1: pitching at this time where the peak of the steroid era,

666
00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:17,520
Speaker 1: where all these run scoring was really blown out of proportion,

667
00:33:17,760 --> 00:33:20,200
Speaker 1: and it was sometimes difficult to like put to a

668
00:33:20,280 --> 00:33:23,959
Speaker 1: perspective how important a picture was if the run scoring

669
00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:27,160
Speaker 1: like this was so elevated that he sometimes gets discounted

670
00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:30,120
Speaker 1: unless you really pour into the league adjusted stats for

671
00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:33,040
Speaker 1: how important he was. He's someone that's probably gonna have

672
00:33:33,120 --> 00:33:34,800
Speaker 1: a chance at that, whether it's on like a veterans

673
00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:37,600
Speaker 1: committee or sometime way after the fact to be re

674
00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:40,600
Speaker 1: evaluated and like a new light. And just I mean,

675
00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:43,960
Speaker 1: based on the sentiment I've been seeing, I mean, we're

676
00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:45,640
Speaker 1: not going to put him in this year with this

677
00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:48,000
Speaker 1: particular class the Marvels Hall of Fame. But there's been

678
00:33:48,120 --> 00:33:51,080
Speaker 1: enough support, you know, from you and from others as well,

679
00:33:51,320 --> 00:33:53,360
Speaker 1: that he's definitely gonna be on the ballot. For the

680
00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:55,840
Speaker 1: upcoming years as like a writing guy, So I'll have

681
00:33:55,920 --> 00:33:58,160
Speaker 1: to reevaluate the whole system. I don't want to take

682
00:33:58,200 --> 00:34:00,600
Speaker 1: this thing too seriously because I came up with the

683
00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:03,240
Speaker 1: guidelines for this and the candidates you know, pretty quickly,

684
00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:06,560
Speaker 1: you know, in a matter of hours. Just think like

685
00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:09,359
Speaker 1: trying to lay it out, to make it seem right,

686
00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:12,160
Speaker 1: to make it seem appropriate. And he's definitely more so

687
00:34:12,200 --> 00:34:14,880
Speaker 1: than anybody's, probably someone that fell through the cracks of

688
00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:19,840
Speaker 1: the guidelines that we set up. Any other snubs, you

689
00:34:19,920 --> 00:34:22,799
Speaker 1: think of these pitchers that had really short stints with

690
00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:26,799
Speaker 1: the team, or guys, even particular relievers, because the one

691
00:34:26,840 --> 00:34:29,920
Speaker 1: reliever in the mix here is Steve Ceschek, and I

692
00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:32,160
Speaker 1: have a feeling he's not going to get in quite

693
00:34:32,239 --> 00:34:35,200
Speaker 1: because even though he had some high moments, just like

694
00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:39,080
Speaker 1: any other reliever, he's kind of inconsistent. But just thinking back,

695
00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:41,440
Speaker 1: I guess it's the case with any reliever in Marlin's

696
00:34:41,480 --> 00:34:44,320
Speaker 1: history that over the course of if you're pitching important

697
00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:46,360
Speaker 1: endings at the end of the game and if like

698
00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:48,200
Speaker 1: one little mistake is going to screw it up for

699
00:34:48,239 --> 00:34:51,560
Speaker 1: the whole team, relievers are never like as beloved as

700
00:34:51,560 --> 00:34:54,560
Speaker 1: the best kind of starters are. But just historically through

701
00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:57,280
Speaker 1: the team, whether it's with some of the playoff runs

702
00:34:57,760 --> 00:35:00,279
Speaker 1: or even at any other point in history. Is is

703
00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:02,840
Speaker 1: there any closer or set up guy that that you

704
00:35:02,920 --> 00:35:06,719
Speaker 1: think was really important to this whole team's history and

705
00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:08,520
Speaker 1: what they accomplished.

706
00:35:09,080 --> 00:35:11,480
Speaker 3: I don't know if he's important, but Antonio off on

707
00:35:11,520 --> 00:35:13,160
Speaker 3: sec I was pretty good for a little bit there

708
00:35:13,680 --> 00:35:19,120
Speaker 3: six years the Dragon Slayer. He actually got MVP votes

709
00:35:19,239 --> 00:35:23,440
Speaker 3: one year, forty five saves in the season. He's, uh,

710
00:35:23,480 --> 00:35:25,760
Speaker 3: if you're gonna have Sea shuck up there, should definitely

711
00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:26,359
Speaker 3: have him too.

712
00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:30,080
Speaker 7: It's a pretty similar stat line to Steve see Shak

713
00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:33,200
Speaker 7: was Aj Ramos who was pitching almost at the same time.

714
00:35:34,120 --> 00:35:36,600
Speaker 7: He only has two saves less than Steve see Shak.

715
00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:39,760
Speaker 7: His era was two seventy eight compared to Steve see Shak,

716
00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:40,279
Speaker 7: who was too.

717
00:35:40,200 --> 00:35:44,799
Speaker 2: Aj no way man headache Ramos. That's what I would

718
00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:47,400
Speaker 2: come from the stands every time this guy would have

719
00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:49,640
Speaker 2: to watch somebody he'd love to see like blood on

720
00:35:49,640 --> 00:35:51,960
Speaker 2: his own face. He had to get two piece before

721
00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:54,879
Speaker 2: you you get a couple outs like I'm WILLI Yeah,

722
00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:57,400
Speaker 2: he would get staffs, he would get saved, but no,

723
00:35:57,960 --> 00:36:00,680
Speaker 2: no way, I'm getting aj Romos's of the game for me,

724
00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:02,920
Speaker 2: not unless I'm trying to have a heart attack. That's

725
00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:05,360
Speaker 2: why putting in Brandon Luper crazier. He's dope.

726
00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:08,120
Speaker 1: Well with m say, it was more of an adventure.

727
00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:11,720
Speaker 1: Definitely had someone that would put on more extra base runners.

728
00:36:12,120 --> 00:36:14,480
Speaker 1: Wasn't as efficient with his pitch counts. But if yeah,

729
00:36:14,520 --> 00:36:17,560
Speaker 1: if you look at like the overall results, i mean

730
00:36:17,560 --> 00:36:19,719
Speaker 1: it is pretty close. But you're right, it's someone that

731
00:36:20,080 --> 00:36:22,440
Speaker 1: you were uncomfortable with. That's that's the case with the.

732
00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:29,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, what about Armando Benitez's had a great season for

733
00:36:30,239 --> 00:36:32,640
Speaker 2: He had forty two or forty seven saves for us.

734
00:36:33,160 --> 00:36:35,640
Speaker 2: He had the little kick, the little leg kick. He

735
00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:37,000
Speaker 2: was nice too.

736
00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:41,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was that era.

737
00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:43,759
Speaker 2: That was that era when the Marlins would bring back

738
00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:47,640
Speaker 2: veteran closures that would look at the second opportunities. Armando

739
00:36:47,719 --> 00:36:49,480
Speaker 2: benite Todd Jones.

740
00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:52,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that's often the name of the game.

741
00:36:52,200 --> 00:36:55,040
Speaker 1: You know, it's hard to find like a homegrown consistent reliever.

742
00:36:55,160 --> 00:36:57,600
Speaker 1: That's what made Sea Scheck and to some of Saint

743
00:36:57,680 --> 00:37:00,480
Speaker 1: Ramo's kind of a rare kind of accepts to the

744
00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:03,200
Speaker 1: rule where you know, you develop them as the late

745
00:37:03,239 --> 00:37:05,560
Speaker 1: round draft picks and they end up, you know, contributing

746
00:37:05,560 --> 00:37:07,280
Speaker 1: to you year after year. But for the most part,

747
00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:09,759
Speaker 1: when you're building that bullpen, you just rolled the dice

748
00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:12,040
Speaker 1: on guys who have done it before. You know, the

749
00:37:12,120 --> 00:37:15,759
Speaker 1: proven closer or someone that just has a certain type

750
00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:19,279
Speaker 1: of like intangible to them, and you just like you

751
00:37:19,320 --> 00:37:22,239
Speaker 1: take your chances on that. And sometimes you do really

752
00:37:22,239 --> 00:37:24,480
Speaker 1: well with those free agents, and sometimes you get you know,

753
00:37:24,719 --> 00:37:33,200
Speaker 1: Jni Tazawa and and you miss when you think of

754
00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:36,279
Speaker 1: we'll go to Anthony on this, when you think of

755
00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:40,919
Speaker 1: those people that didn't play for the team but had

756
00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:44,560
Speaker 1: those direct involvement with the team and are still like

757
00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:47,560
Speaker 1: synonymous with the Marlins. Who comes to mind.

758
00:37:49,239 --> 00:37:52,120
Speaker 3: My number one guy. I'm gonna butcher his name, and

759
00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:53,680
Speaker 3: I hope I get his name. I think his name

760
00:37:53,719 --> 00:37:57,360
Speaker 3: was Joseph Sir something. You guys know him as the

761
00:37:57,440 --> 00:38:01,279
Speaker 3: ping guy. His vest and his hat is still at

762
00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:04,319
Speaker 3: the stadium, I believe last night checked he was at

763
00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:08,359
Speaker 3: every game. He wore the Teo jersey under he wore

764
00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:10,160
Speaker 3: the pins on his vest. A lot of people don't

765
00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:11,719
Speaker 3: know about him, and man, you could go up to

766
00:38:11,719 --> 00:38:13,279
Speaker 3: that guy and talk about anything I remember when I

767
00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:15,319
Speaker 3: was a kid. I remember walking up to him and

768
00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:19,080
Speaker 3: he was always willing to talk answer any questions he had,

769
00:38:19,080 --> 00:38:22,279
Speaker 3: like every pin possible, And for me, he's the We

770
00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:24,520
Speaker 3: need to get him. His stuff's already at the stadium.

771
00:38:24,640 --> 00:38:25,920
Speaker 3: Let's just put it in the Hall of Fame.

772
00:38:26,600 --> 00:38:30,960
Speaker 1: Other names that came to mind Jack McKeon obviously taking

773
00:38:31,040 --> 00:38:35,719
Speaker 1: over in three and people actually sometimes underrate historically how

774
00:38:35,840 --> 00:38:37,920
Speaker 1: competitive the team was still in two thousand and four,

775
00:38:37,960 --> 00:38:39,759
Speaker 1: and then especially in two thousand and five, like how

776
00:38:39,840 --> 00:38:43,200
Speaker 1: much talent they had that year. And McKeon was managing

777
00:38:43,200 --> 00:38:45,440
Speaker 1: the team that whole time, so even though it was

778
00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:49,520
Speaker 1: like a short out. Then someone that obviously people remember

779
00:38:49,520 --> 00:38:51,440
Speaker 1: in a door for a lot of reasons.

780
00:38:51,680 --> 00:38:54,840
Speaker 3: I found his name. My bad, guys, it's not the

781
00:38:54,920 --> 00:38:59,400
Speaker 3: name I said. It's Louis mendeesor Louis Mendes Senior. Is

782
00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:00,520
Speaker 3: his name? The man?

783
00:39:02,320 --> 00:39:06,240
Speaker 1: All right, go ahead, crutch it. Oh no, I'm just gonna.

784
00:39:06,360 --> 00:39:08,919
Speaker 7: I was piggybaging off what you said. They were making

785
00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:11,359
Speaker 7: a playoff push in two thousand and five when they

786
00:39:11,400 --> 00:39:14,080
Speaker 7: trade it for Paul the Duke and Carlos still got

787
00:39:14,120 --> 00:39:16,760
Speaker 7: on mean, yeah, they were People say the two thousand

788
00:39:16,760 --> 00:39:18,600
Speaker 7: and three and ninety seven are the only good years,

789
00:39:18,600 --> 00:39:20,120
Speaker 7: but two thousand and four and two thousand and five,

790
00:39:20,200 --> 00:39:21,719
Speaker 7: like they were playoff expectations.

791
00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:24,000
Speaker 1: It's it's a little tricky, I guess, of these non

792
00:39:24,040 --> 00:39:27,120
Speaker 1: players because even though people are optimistic about where the

793
00:39:27,239 --> 00:39:29,799
Speaker 1: Chize is headed right now, just over these past couple

794
00:39:29,840 --> 00:39:32,680
Speaker 1: of years since the ownership transition, I don't want to

795
00:39:32,680 --> 00:39:35,040
Speaker 1: make those guys eligible for the Hall of Fame yet.

796
00:39:35,080 --> 00:39:37,040
Speaker 1: If I did, people would probably try to vote in

797
00:39:37,120 --> 00:39:40,600
Speaker 1: Derek Jeter already, even though they haven't actually won anything

798
00:39:40,840 --> 00:39:43,080
Speaker 1: at this moment since he took over. So I'm gonna

799
00:39:43,080 --> 00:39:45,840
Speaker 1: hold off before making those kind of guys eligible for

800
00:39:45,880 --> 00:39:47,600
Speaker 1: this kind of exercise. It will be a few years

801
00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:50,400
Speaker 1: down the line. And Michael Hill has been with the

802
00:39:50,440 --> 00:39:53,160
Speaker 1: team a long time, but we know some of the

803
00:39:53,320 --> 00:39:56,400
Speaker 1: some of the questionable transactions that were made under his watch,

804
00:39:56,520 --> 00:39:59,239
Speaker 1: you know, a few years ago before things switched up.

805
00:39:59,320 --> 00:40:00,880
Speaker 1: So I don't don't think he's going to be a

806
00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:02,680
Speaker 1: candidate either for this kind of thing.

807
00:40:03,080 --> 00:40:04,799
Speaker 4: Well, I mean, I think someone that you have to

808
00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:07,240
Speaker 4: consider is Dave Dombroski. I mean, he's the first general

809
00:40:07,239 --> 00:40:09,400
Speaker 4: manager in the history that was hired. Uh, I mean

810
00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:11,960
Speaker 4: he worked under Wayne, who was we all know might

811
00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:13,840
Speaker 4: have been a little bit a nuts of an owner.

812
00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:16,480
Speaker 4: He hired Jim Leland, he signed, he signed if I'm

813
00:40:16,480 --> 00:40:19,400
Speaker 4: not mistake of mcguil cabra, Like, I mean, look at

814
00:40:19,400 --> 00:40:22,160
Speaker 4: the guy David Ebroski. Yeah, I mean, he does not

815
00:40:22,200 --> 00:40:23,440
Speaker 4: deserve to be in the Hall of Fame. But I

816
00:40:23,440 --> 00:40:26,640
Speaker 4: think people do forget a lot about Dave Dombroski's beginning

817
00:40:26,640 --> 00:40:29,640
Speaker 4: in Florida and how he actually took off and changed

818
00:40:29,640 --> 00:40:30,560
Speaker 4: the team.

819
00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:32,920
Speaker 2: He also got it. I mean, I know you said

820
00:40:33,120 --> 00:40:37,120
Speaker 2: you don't add owners. He definitely got to add Wayne

821
00:40:37,360 --> 00:40:37,759
Speaker 2: h in there.

822
00:40:37,880 --> 00:40:38,000
Speaker 1: Man.

823
00:40:38,120 --> 00:40:42,920
Speaker 2: For sure, he actually brought Marlins baseball Florida. And I

824
00:40:42,920 --> 00:40:46,040
Speaker 2: don't want to go into uncharged waters and speak about

825
00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:50,640
Speaker 2: who's leading the famame. But he also helped bringing that

826
00:40:50,640 --> 00:40:54,800
Speaker 2: that stadium. He also helped taxes that stadium as Miami residents.

827
00:40:55,360 --> 00:41:00,200
Speaker 2: So uh, maybe he needs to be in there. But

828
00:41:00,560 --> 00:41:02,399
Speaker 2: what about Billy Man. We got to have a whole

829
00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:04,320
Speaker 2: section for Billy the Marlin. You got to see the

830
00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:06,840
Speaker 2: whole evolution of Bill Marlin. Can we get a picture

831
00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:10,200
Speaker 2: like the original billiy of Mind and the crime Bill

832
00:41:10,680 --> 00:41:11,400
Speaker 2: it's crazy.

833
00:41:12,600 --> 00:41:15,480
Speaker 1: Yeah. Then you do an article on that last year

834
00:41:15,560 --> 00:41:18,080
Speaker 1: about all the different versions of different costume sites worn

835
00:41:18,360 --> 00:41:21,160
Speaker 1: through the years and how he's changed, because there's been

836
00:41:21,160 --> 00:41:23,279
Speaker 1: a lot of them. People, it's kind of surprising when

837
00:41:23,320 --> 00:41:26,239
Speaker 1: you look back on it. How I mean, how ridiculous

838
00:41:26,239 --> 00:41:29,399
Speaker 1: he looked at the beginning, and there's been at least

839
00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:31,799
Speaker 1: five or six different versions of like what he looks

840
00:41:31,880 --> 00:41:33,640
Speaker 1: like some of it, you know, what to go along

841
00:41:33,680 --> 00:41:36,000
Speaker 1: with the rebranding of the team a couple of times,

842
00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:38,759
Speaker 1: but also just like the different concepts that they've gone

843
00:41:38,760 --> 00:41:40,600
Speaker 1: with that. And for the longest time it was the

844
00:41:40,640 --> 00:41:42,800
Speaker 1: same guy in that costume until just a couple of

845
00:41:42,880 --> 00:41:47,320
Speaker 1: years ago when they finally made a change had a

846
00:41:47,320 --> 00:41:48,040
Speaker 1: actor in there.

847
00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:50,319
Speaker 3: There's a Billy Jr.

848
00:41:50,360 --> 00:41:54,200
Speaker 1: At one point, exactly. Yeah, the whole whole tradition of

849
00:41:54,520 --> 00:41:55,919
Speaker 1: the spinoff character.

850
00:41:57,120 --> 00:41:57,520
Speaker 2: The Man.

851
00:41:59,040 --> 00:41:59,759
Speaker 1: The Manatees.

852
00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:00,880
Speaker 9: Yeah.

853
00:42:00,960 --> 00:42:07,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was the same time as the Manager, wasn't it.

854
00:42:07,880 --> 00:42:10,879
Speaker 3: Another fan of super fan that Marlin's maniac from back

855
00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:12,080
Speaker 3: in the day. A lot of you guys are gonna

856
00:42:12,080 --> 00:42:15,680
Speaker 3: be like, who the hell is that? There's so many fans, man,

857
00:42:15,680 --> 00:42:17,080
Speaker 3: it's the Chewbacca guy.

858
00:42:19,080 --> 00:42:21,480
Speaker 7: Well, what about a rich Waltson Talley Hutton. Has anyone

859
00:42:21,520 --> 00:42:22,120
Speaker 7: said that yet?

860
00:42:22,920 --> 00:42:24,239
Speaker 3: And I vote them in.

861
00:42:25,560 --> 00:42:27,800
Speaker 7: Your part of their charm was how well they work together.

862
00:42:28,480 --> 00:42:34,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, you gotta put in uh Fellow over marriage fellow.

863
00:42:43,880 --> 00:42:44,040
Speaker 9: Man.

864
00:42:44,239 --> 00:42:49,960
Speaker 2: Come on, Doug, y'all remember that, Come on, the only

865
00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:51,880
Speaker 2: one in here. I can't be I'm put Miami.

866
00:42:53,440 --> 00:42:55,360
Speaker 3: Listen to him every every day with my grandfather.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it hit me when it hit me when Fellow

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Speaker 2: died because I was listening in the Yuki and I

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Speaker 2: always like, that's the only boys I always heard. You

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Speaker 2: know what I'm saying. It's like what the Yankees fans

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Speaker 2: had with their narrated you know what I mean, Like

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Speaker 2: it was just like wow, fellow guy, and I couldn't

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Speaker 2: imagine anybody else married. And another game for the Marlins

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Speaker 2: to Spanish and now yeah, you know, we got a host.

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Speaker 2: The host of the novel is now and that's cool.

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Speaker 2: But Shadow just got to Mark and we've got to

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Speaker 2: have him in there.

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Speaker 1: Well yeah, well it'd be kind of disrespectful if we

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Speaker 1: didn't because he's I believe he has a place in

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Speaker 1: the big National Baseball Hall of Fame too, you know,

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Speaker 1: if they're willing to put it in then then obviously

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Speaker 1: specific to the Marlins baseball he'd be there as well.

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Speaker 1: And yeah, that's a good one. That's a good one.

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Speaker 1: I think he's a lot at this point. And there's

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Speaker 1: gonna be more episodes of this five coming up as

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Speaker 1: we break down other aspects of the Hall. Like I said,

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Speaker 1: the fan voting is going to stay up until April

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Speaker 1: nineteenth or so, and we'll probably wait a few days

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Speaker 1: after that before announcing all the outcomes of it all,

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Speaker 1: but we'll be sure to break down how some of

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Speaker 1: us voted individually, look at the percentages of everything, and

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Speaker 1: then we're gonna have some fun with like some multimedia

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Speaker 1: stuff to put together and try to honor these players,

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Speaker 1: and if all goes right, once we pick out the

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Speaker 1: Hall of Fame class, have some of those players come

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Speaker 1: on with us to have some exclusive interviews with the Blairs.

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Speaker 1: But thank you to all of you, guys, Alex Krutchik,

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Speaker 1: Tyler Wilson, Anthony gred Garcia, Alex contraras with Eli Sussman,

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Speaker 1: our overview of the Marlins Hall of Fame ballot for

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty. Get out the vote and go Fish