WEBVTT - Cultivating Audacity with Anne Marie Anderson 0:00:00.840 --> 0:00:03.079 Welcome to Good Game with Sarah Spain, where we're running 0:00:03.120 --> 0:00:06.520 on liquid IV and Vitamin C powder. With all this traveling, 0:00:06.559 --> 0:00:08.280 I'm going to need all the help I can get 0:00:08.320 --> 0:00:12.360 to avoid a reappearance of the plague. It's Wednesday, February 0:00:12.440 --> 0:00:14.360 twenty sixth, and then on today's show, we're skipping the 0:00:14.360 --> 0:00:16.279 news to get you right to my conversation with Emmy 0:00:16.320 --> 0:00:20.280 Award winning ESPN broadcaster, speaker, and author Anne Marie Anderson. 0:00:20.480 --> 0:00:22.560 I caught up with her earlier this month to discuss 0:00:22.680 --> 0:00:26.120 lessons from her book Cultivating Audacity, Dismantle Doubt and Let 0:00:26.200 --> 0:00:28.760 Yourself Win. Plus we talk about her current role calling 0:00:28.760 --> 0:00:31.120 the inaugural season of League One Volleyball and how the 0:00:31.200 --> 0:00:34.080 Vibes landscape could change over the next five to ten years. 0:00:34.479 --> 0:00:36.840 I really enjoyed this interview and I left feeling both 0:00:36.960 --> 0:00:38.800 educated and inspired by her wisdom. 0:00:38.880 --> 0:00:41.400 So I hope you all do too. That conversation's coming 0:00:41.440 --> 0:00:51.040 out right after this joining us now. 0:00:51.080 --> 0:00:54.240 She's a three time Emmy Award winning ESPN broadcaster, a speaker, 0:00:54.240 --> 0:00:57.440 and author of the new book Cultivating Audacity, Dismantled Doubt 0:00:57.440 --> 0:01:00.760 and Let Yourself Win. She's covered six Olympic NBA and 0:01:00.880 --> 0:01:03.200 MLB playoffs, the Super Bowl, and more, and has served 0:01:03.200 --> 0:01:07.400 as a play by play announcer on major networks including ESPN, ABC, NBC, Fox, 0:01:07.440 --> 0:01:10.880 and TBS. A former volleyball player for Hofstra, former play 0:01:10.880 --> 0:01:13.160 by play announcer for the Las Vegas Aces, and currently 0:01:13.200 --> 0:01:16.240 broadcasting for NCAA and Love Volleyball, amongst other things. 0:01:16.400 --> 0:01:20.320 It's Anne Marie Anderson. Thanks for joining us. Thanks Sarah, 0:01:20.400 --> 0:01:21.640 good to talk to you. 0:01:21.640 --> 0:01:23.399 You've been on a whirlwind for the book and I 0:01:23.440 --> 0:01:25.280 can't wait to get into that. But I want to 0:01:25.319 --> 0:01:27.760 start with Love Volleyball because you're part of the broadcast 0:01:27.760 --> 0:01:31.280 team for this inaugural season. How has this met or 0:01:31.360 --> 0:01:33.520 maybe differed from your expectations coming in? 0:01:34.080 --> 0:01:38.720 It's incredible. These are the best athletes volleyball athletes in 0:01:38.760 --> 0:01:41.720 the world. You've got ten of thirteen US Olympians. Well, 0:01:41.760 --> 0:01:45.880 you also have Olympians from like Germany, Korea, Japan. It's 0:01:45.920 --> 0:01:49.920 been unbelievable, the best volleyball this country has ever seen. 0:01:50.280 --> 0:01:52.240 Yeah, and it was five years in the making, this league, 0:01:52.280 --> 0:01:55.120 and I remember hearing rumors about it a couple of 0:01:55.160 --> 0:01:58.800 years ago. Obviously, Love is a part of this much 0:01:58.880 --> 0:02:03.120 larger camp and youth organization systems. So it's really building 0:02:03.160 --> 0:02:05.560 on something that they've already had across the country with 0:02:05.640 --> 0:02:09.400 this growing youth volleyball scene, But for them to actually 0:02:09.560 --> 0:02:12.640 put it up, have it be visible, have it be 0:02:13.200 --> 0:02:17.200 something that really changes the landscape for pro volleyball has 0:02:17.240 --> 0:02:20.720 been cool to watch and also even to see their 0:02:20.760 --> 0:02:24.160 ability to take feedback almost instantly that first night of 0:02:24.280 --> 0:02:27.880 television everyone's watching. There were some kooky camera angles. They 0:02:27.919 --> 0:02:30.000 probably seemed like they'd be interesting and said they were 0:02:30.000 --> 0:02:32.040 a bit jarring, made it tough to watch, and they 0:02:32.040 --> 0:02:34.840 adjusted when you're behind the scenes, Were you hearing a 0:02:34.880 --> 0:02:37.600 lot of that as someone on the mic where you 0:02:37.600 --> 0:02:39.600 were receiving a lot of the feedback that they had 0:02:39.639 --> 0:02:40.359 for the league. 0:02:40.520 --> 0:02:42.720 Yeah, because of course I don't see those shots, right, 0:02:42.720 --> 0:02:45.080 I'm going the game from the floor. But that's the 0:02:45.120 --> 0:02:47.880 thing that's so great about Love is that they're trying 0:02:47.919 --> 0:02:49.960 to do things different. Look, we're all athletes. What are 0:02:50.000 --> 0:02:51.960 you going to do if you're not coachable through it? 0:02:52.040 --> 0:02:53.960 So I love that. And the other thing Sarah you 0:02:54.080 --> 0:02:56.240 hinted at it is that they call it an ecosystem 0:02:56.639 --> 0:03:01.040 from club volleyball all the way up through profession and Olympians, 0:03:01.240 --> 0:03:05.200 so it really ties those youth athletes to what's potentially 0:03:05.280 --> 0:03:05.799 their dreams. 0:03:06.000 --> 0:03:07.919 Yeah, which we didn't have a lot growing up, which 0:03:07.919 --> 0:03:10.040 is crazy. What have the crowds been like at the 0:03:10.080 --> 0:03:10.639 Love Games? 0:03:11.120 --> 0:03:11.640 They're great. 0:03:11.720 --> 0:03:14.320 It's been somewhat small arenas that they just sell out. 0:03:14.360 --> 0:03:14.880 At this point. 0:03:14.880 --> 0:03:16.800 I think they need to go to bigger arenas because 0:03:16.840 --> 0:03:18.320 the demand has been so huge. 0:03:18.800 --> 0:03:20.840 That's really cool that that's already happening. Yeah, we had 0:03:20.840 --> 0:03:23.960 some folks from Love on before the league's first launched 0:03:24.000 --> 0:03:26.160 this year, and that's what they said. We wanted to 0:03:26.200 --> 0:03:29.320 do manageable sizes to really make the environment great for 0:03:29.360 --> 0:03:32.080 the games. But if they're already selling out and needing 0:03:32.080 --> 0:03:35.000 to expand, that's fantastic. What do you make of the 0:03:35.200 --> 0:03:39.200 sort of crowded field for women's volleyball. We've got Love 0:03:39.200 --> 0:03:41.400 and Athletes Unlimited, which play at different times of the year, 0:03:41.440 --> 0:03:45.280 But then we've got PVF, the Professional Volleyball Federation in 0:03:45.320 --> 0:03:47.440 its second season, which plays at the same time as LOVE. 0:03:47.480 --> 0:03:49.200 And then a few weeks ago, one of the teams 0:03:49.240 --> 0:03:52.440 in the PVF, the Omaha Supernovas, announced they're leaving the 0:03:52.440 --> 0:03:54.320 PVF to be part of a new league called Major 0:03:54.400 --> 0:03:57.800 League Volleyball launching next season. Can you explain why the 0:03:57.800 --> 0:03:59.000 field's so crowded right now? 0:03:59.760 --> 0:04:02.360 No, Oh, Sarah, I cannot explain why the field is 0:04:02.400 --> 0:04:06.200 so crowded. I mean, just like any lever of sports, 0:04:06.200 --> 0:04:08.320 you kind of wish it was all consolidated into one, 0:04:08.760 --> 0:04:10.880 but it is what it is, and at this point 0:04:11.240 --> 0:04:14.840 we will see kind of hoopervails and my money's on love. 0:04:15.320 --> 0:04:17.800 Yeah. Have you spoken to any of the athletes about it, 0:04:17.800 --> 0:04:19.960 because on the one hand, it's so great that at 0:04:20.000 --> 0:04:22.279 one point you had to go abroad to even continue 0:04:22.279 --> 0:04:24.720 your career, and now there's all these opportunities in the States. 0:04:24.839 --> 0:04:29.240 At the same time, that's resources, money, opportunities, quality of play, 0:04:29.279 --> 0:04:32.080 that's being sort of split amongst many instead of focused. 0:04:32.640 --> 0:04:32.880 Yeah. 0:04:33.000 --> 0:04:36.479 Jordan Larson, who's the goat of volleyball, four time Olympic medalist, 0:04:36.520 --> 0:04:39.280 she plays in League one Volleyball and they had their 0:04:39.279 --> 0:04:42.120 home opener in Omaha recently and she said, I cried 0:04:42.200 --> 0:04:45.360 on my way to the arena because I've never slept 0:04:45.360 --> 0:04:47.760 in my bed before a game before. And then she'll 0:04:47.800 --> 0:04:51.960 go back and sleep again. It's in terms of talent 0:04:52.040 --> 0:04:56.320 being spread around I mean, again, there's so much talent. 0:04:56.680 --> 0:04:59.880 League one volleyball tends to go for the Olympians PVF 0:05:00.160 --> 0:05:02.839 somewhere that people that aren't quite that same level maybe 0:05:02.920 --> 0:05:05.400 can play. Not that there's not a great level and 0:05:06.120 --> 0:05:08.840 PVF there definitely is, but the Olympians are with Love. 0:05:09.320 --> 0:05:09.880 Yeah. 0:05:09.960 --> 0:05:11.800 Yeah, it feels like on the one hand, it's like 0:05:11.960 --> 0:05:15.360 great that everybody's interested, but also, let's find out if 0:05:15.360 --> 0:05:17.440 the people who are launching all of these are wanting 0:05:17.480 --> 0:05:19.960 to be at the top of the pyramid instead of 0:05:20.040 --> 0:05:22.880 making sure that the pyramid is a solid foundation and 0:05:23.200 --> 0:05:27.000 one that will sustain, which usually means collaborating and working 0:05:27.000 --> 0:05:31.320 together instead of setting up all these different leagues. How 0:05:31.320 --> 0:05:34.600 have you personally handled the power that's given to broadcasters 0:05:34.600 --> 0:05:37.719 at Love or League one to pause play for a 0:05:37.800 --> 0:05:42.240 story or an explanation that we loved hearing from the 0:05:42.320 --> 0:05:45.920 Love folks before the season started about how they really 0:05:45.960 --> 0:05:48.360 wanted to let the broadcasters teach. 0:05:48.160 --> 0:05:49.800 The game while you were watching it. 0:05:50.080 --> 0:05:52.279 But that's a lot of power to have to wait, 0:05:52.360 --> 0:05:54.600 you know, they have to actually wait for y'all sometimes. 0:05:54.920 --> 0:05:57.160 How have you personally looked at that and how you 0:05:57.200 --> 0:05:57.920 want to approach it? 0:05:58.360 --> 0:06:00.600 Well, we've gone away from it a little bit because, 0:06:01.000 --> 0:06:04.120 as you said, taking feedback, what we do a lot 0:06:04.160 --> 0:06:07.160 now is mike the players, mike the announcers, and then 0:06:07.200 --> 0:06:10.320 are able to explain that afterwards. You get some great 0:06:10.360 --> 0:06:13.160 stuff of course in the huddles, and then some players 0:06:13.200 --> 0:06:15.800 on the floor as well. It's just a different way 0:06:15.839 --> 0:06:18.839 of looking at it, and it's tricky, Sarah, to balance. Okay, 0:06:18.880 --> 0:06:20.800 these are the volleyball folks who know the game and 0:06:20.839 --> 0:06:22.440 want to learn more, and these are the people that 0:06:22.480 --> 0:06:24.039 are just learning the game, and I don't want to 0:06:24.080 --> 0:06:26.720 lose them by talking over their heads. It's a bit 0:06:26.720 --> 0:06:27.320 of a dance. 0:06:27.839 --> 0:06:30.120 Yeah, So there was more of that at the beginning, 0:06:30.120 --> 0:06:31.520 and lately you haven't done it as much. 0:06:31.520 --> 0:06:34.040 You're saying no, not pausing play right. 0:06:34.440 --> 0:06:36.359 I think what would be fascinating to your point, and 0:06:36.400 --> 0:06:37.960 we work on this on our show as well, is 0:06:38.000 --> 0:06:41.080 how do you balance the people who already know a 0:06:41.120 --> 0:06:43.560 lot and want to get a little bit deeper and 0:06:43.600 --> 0:06:45.040 then the folks who show up and listen. And we 0:06:45.040 --> 0:06:46.680 don't want to scare them away because they don't know 0:06:46.680 --> 0:06:49.360 all the nicknames and all the acronyms and all the whatever. 0:06:49.400 --> 0:06:51.000 So we try to do a little bit of both. 0:06:51.000 --> 0:06:52.640 In your case, I wonder if it might be useful 0:06:52.680 --> 0:06:55.240 for love to take one of the great games that's 0:06:55.240 --> 0:06:59.560 already happened and have a couple analysts rewatch it being 0:06:59.560 --> 0:07:01.520 able to and walk people through so that if you 0:07:01.560 --> 0:07:03.440 do want to get into the league and understand better 0:07:03.440 --> 0:07:05.240 and be a better fan of it, you have this 0:07:05.320 --> 0:07:07.560 opportunity via something that you can just go to on 0:07:07.600 --> 0:07:10.400 their website and rewatch with them explaining and walking you 0:07:10.440 --> 0:07:10.760 through it. 0:07:11.280 --> 0:07:13.080 I love it. Have you brought that up to them now, 0:07:13.160 --> 0:07:14.080 but you should. 0:07:14.200 --> 0:07:16.400 I will take the idea run with it, because I 0:07:16.440 --> 0:07:19.000 would watch that. I love watching volleyball, but it's not 0:07:19.040 --> 0:07:21.160 my wheelhouse, and so to have someone actually tell me 0:07:21.200 --> 0:07:23.680 what I'm looking for and how I can see positioning 0:07:23.760 --> 0:07:25.560 or strategy or things like that would be would be 0:07:25.560 --> 0:07:27.840 really cool where you could pause the game and not 0:07:27.840 --> 0:07:28.880 feel like you're missing anything. 0:07:28.920 --> 0:07:32.600 For that so my wheelhouse. Sarah too that I'm kind 0:07:32.600 --> 0:07:34.520 of loving it. My son plays college volleyball and I 0:07:34.560 --> 0:07:36.680 just came back from his matches and it's always like 0:07:36.720 --> 0:07:39.280 the other mothers sitting next to me, going, what's happening, Yeah. 0:07:39.120 --> 0:07:41.440 What's happening? So I do it anyway, I'll bring it 0:07:41.480 --> 0:07:42.200 up to them. Why not. 0:07:42.440 --> 0:07:44.440 Yeah, what do you think the landscape's going to look 0:07:44.480 --> 0:07:45.600 like for pro women's volleyball? 0:07:45.600 --> 0:07:47.360 And say five or ten years. 0:07:47.080 --> 0:07:48.559 I think it's going to settle into one. 0:07:49.080 --> 0:07:49.840 I really hope. 0:07:49.880 --> 0:07:53.200 So. I do a lot of traveling overseas during the 0:07:53.240 --> 0:07:56.520 summer calling Volleyball Nations League, which is the professional teams 0:07:57.000 --> 0:08:00.720 from each country competing against each other, and the crowds 0:08:00.880 --> 0:08:06.880 overseas are insane. Brazil, Thailand, the Netherlands, the Philippines have 0:08:06.960 --> 0:08:10.240 been all over the place, Turkey, and I think that 0:08:10.360 --> 0:08:14.680 once the US gets one super strong pro league, and 0:08:14.920 --> 0:08:18.120 like you, that's my hope that things will consolidate into one. 0:08:18.360 --> 0:08:22.040 I think we're going to start seeing big crowds getting 0:08:22.040 --> 0:08:24.560 attached to these players. It's all about the stories, isn't it, 0:08:24.920 --> 0:08:28.080 And so knowing the athlete beyond oh how hard they 0:08:28.080 --> 0:08:30.840 can they hit the ball, but knowing their life and 0:08:30.880 --> 0:08:33.360 getting connected to them. It's been such a gift. All 0:08:33.360 --> 0:08:37.400 the US players are so incredibly grateful, and they're having 0:08:37.480 --> 0:08:40.160 a great time kind of welcoming all the international players 0:08:40.200 --> 0:08:42.840 in and teaching them American customs. It's been really fun. 0:08:42.960 --> 0:08:46.200 That's really cool. You also cover NCAA volleyball. 0:08:46.840 --> 0:08:49.360 How do you explain the massive spike in popularity for 0:08:49.400 --> 0:08:50.880 what we're calling college vibs. 0:08:51.840 --> 0:08:55.000 I think we've got a couple of female leaders both 0:08:55.000 --> 0:08:57.839 at ESPN and Erica Galbreath and at Big ten in 0:08:57.920 --> 0:09:01.160 Sue Maritt, who understand the game. And I think when 0:09:01.160 --> 0:09:05.120 the high level folks understand the game, they understand what 0:09:05.280 --> 0:09:07.719 it is that viewers want to see. And I think 0:09:07.760 --> 0:09:11.040 between the two of them, creating more and more of 0:09:11.760 --> 0:09:14.319 graphics and helping people attach kind of like you were 0:09:14.320 --> 0:09:19.520 just talking about, gives people something to root for. Plus, Sarah, 0:09:19.559 --> 0:09:23.000 I've been doing this for thirty five years. The athletes 0:09:23.040 --> 0:09:26.920 now are huge, and that's a compliment. It's so strong 0:09:27.320 --> 0:09:30.560 that it is electric volleyball. And the thing about women's 0:09:30.679 --> 0:09:33.160 volleyball versus men's and I love men's again, my son 0:09:33.240 --> 0:09:35.960 plays men's is that the rallies are longer. Yeah, And 0:09:36.000 --> 0:09:39.000 I think in women's volleyball the fans just live and 0:09:39.040 --> 0:09:40.280 die with each rally. 0:09:40.360 --> 0:09:42.319 It's a lot of fun, yeah, because they hit hard, 0:09:42.400 --> 0:09:45.800 but not so hard that you can't possibly return it, 0:09:45.960 --> 0:09:46.920 so that allows for them. 0:09:47.120 --> 0:09:50.160 I can't go on more. Well, we couldn't. But yeah, but. 0:09:50.200 --> 0:09:54.360 Those great players, can you know the state? I think 0:09:54.360 --> 0:09:57.880 to your point, we often blame the product when we 0:09:57.960 --> 0:10:00.839 don't supply it with the context necessary for people to 0:10:00.840 --> 0:10:01.520 get attached to it. 0:10:01.520 --> 0:10:02.520 We're so good at doing that. 0:10:02.559 --> 0:10:04.560 In men's sports, we give all the shoulder programming and 0:10:04.600 --> 0:10:07.000 the pre and post games and the stories and the features, 0:10:07.320 --> 0:10:08.800 and then you watch the game and you have all 0:10:08.800 --> 0:10:10.600 that information that you bring to it. And then women's 0:10:10.640 --> 0:10:14.160 sports a lot of times, especially more so even a 0:10:14.160 --> 0:10:16.640 decade ago, it's just like, here's the game. We're not 0:10:16.640 --> 0:10:18.440 gonna tell you anything before or after. We're not gonna 0:10:18.440 --> 0:10:20.160 introduce you anyone. You're not gonna way the contacts, you're 0:10:20.160 --> 0:10:21.880 not gonna go to the storylines, and then we're gonna 0:10:21.880 --> 0:10:24.079 blame the game when there aren't as many viewers even 0:10:24.120 --> 0:10:26.120 though we haven't given it an opportunity. So I love 0:10:26.160 --> 0:10:28.520 that you're saying there's people in charge who know better 0:10:28.559 --> 0:10:29.880 and are are doing better, and. 0:10:29.840 --> 0:10:32.520 It's paying off. One last quick thing about NCA Volleyball. 0:10:32.600 --> 0:10:35.679 Some incredible retirements that we're getting all in a row 0:10:35.720 --> 0:10:37.800 here from some of the biggest coaches in the game, 0:10:37.880 --> 0:10:39.240 John Cook, Mary Wise. 0:10:39.400 --> 0:10:42.480 There's another one. I'm forgetting right now. But what is this? 0:10:42.480 --> 0:10:44.720 This seems like of course, I mean they've been coaching 0:10:44.760 --> 0:10:47.520 twenty five years. Mary Why's thirty four years at Florida, 0:10:47.600 --> 0:10:50.120 John Cook twenty five at Nebraska. Obviously, they've been in 0:10:50.200 --> 0:10:52.600 a long time and they've earned it if they want 0:10:52.640 --> 0:10:55.480 to retire. But of all times, when it's peaking like this, 0:10:55.720 --> 0:10:57.360 are you surprised to see them step away? 0:10:58.000 --> 0:11:00.839 You know? The honest truth is no. The transfer portal 0:11:00.880 --> 0:11:03.200 is brutal, And how would you like to be somebody 0:11:03.200 --> 0:11:06.760 who's an absolute legend coaching in the game begging your 0:11:06.800 --> 0:11:09.600 eighteen year old to stay because. 0:11:09.200 --> 0:11:09.840 They didn't play. 0:11:09.880 --> 0:11:12.120 I mean, the transfer portal for me, in my opinion, 0:11:12.200 --> 0:11:15.760 is out of control, and it's taken away the ability 0:11:15.800 --> 0:11:19.480 of these legendary coaches to develop players. At this point, 0:11:19.520 --> 0:11:22.240 it's a constant emergency trying to keep your players happy, 0:11:22.559 --> 0:11:26.040 and you can't really develop because everybody's so impatient. So 0:11:26.880 --> 0:11:30.479 I think we're going to see some more longtime ogs retiring. 0:11:31.080 --> 0:11:34.000 I don't blame the coaches, especially after thirty twenty five years, 0:11:34.559 --> 0:11:37.199 reacting to this drastic change and being ready to kind 0:11:37.200 --> 0:11:39.520 of move on. But I think I still prioritize the 0:11:39.520 --> 0:11:42.600 player experience, particularly when you might only have those four years, right, 0:11:42.600 --> 0:11:44.920 and when there was no transfer portal, there was no 0:11:45.000 --> 0:11:47.120 recourse for someone that was unhappy or even if they 0:11:47.120 --> 0:11:50.000 weren't playing, and that was right, they didn't deserve it 0:11:50.000 --> 0:11:51.800 at that school. Maybe they just want to play somewhere 0:11:51.800 --> 0:11:54.840 else if that's their only chance. Right, Is your solution 0:11:55.320 --> 0:11:58.760 just more policy or rules around how and when you 0:11:58.800 --> 0:12:01.559 can transfer, because I assume you believe that the transfer 0:12:01.600 --> 0:12:03.800 portal existing is good, but maybe just the extent to 0:12:03.840 --> 0:12:05.199 which it's used is the problem. 0:12:05.720 --> 0:12:08.920 Yes, exactly. I mean again, I think you played college 0:12:08.960 --> 0:12:10.839 sports as well when we played. At least the role 0:12:10.880 --> 0:12:12.439 when I played was you had to sit out a year. 0:12:12.800 --> 0:12:15.959 That's tough, right, And you're talking about the player experience, 0:12:16.200 --> 0:12:18.040 But I think we got rid of some protections that 0:12:18.080 --> 0:12:20.480 maybe will help people not or would help people not 0:12:20.559 --> 0:12:24.200 jump so fast. Transferring within a conference could be one 0:12:24.240 --> 0:12:27.640 of them. Maybe a waiting period of some type, because 0:12:27.800 --> 0:12:30.400 like you, I want I want athletes to be able 0:12:30.440 --> 0:12:32.920 to play and be able to be a part of it. 0:12:33.400 --> 0:12:35.640 But at the same time, a lot of people are 0:12:35.679 --> 0:12:38.720 jumping now where there's money involved and other things. 0:12:38.520 --> 0:12:41.480 And it just clouds the field. 0:12:42.000 --> 0:12:45.320 I will say this though, Sarah, there's great parody across 0:12:45.360 --> 0:12:47.720 the country. Yeah. No longer is it just a couple 0:12:47.800 --> 0:12:49.800 of teams that are going to win. This past season 0:12:50.320 --> 0:12:53.880 was as wide open as we have ever seen. 0:12:54.320 --> 0:12:56.800 Yeah, I'm still in favor of the athlete, but I 0:12:56.800 --> 0:12:57.800 do think sometimes they. 0:12:57.720 --> 0:12:59.800 Might even move too quickly for their own good. 0:13:00.160 --> 0:13:02.880 So you're still centering and prioritizing the athlete, but in 0:13:03.280 --> 0:13:08.319 a sense of protecting their ability to see their movement 0:13:08.400 --> 0:13:10.400 for what it might be, as opposed to just bouncing 0:13:10.520 --> 0:13:11.559 when things aren't going their way. 0:13:11.559 --> 0:13:12.440 But yeah, it's. 0:13:12.320 --> 0:13:15.440 Complicated for sure, especially complicated for the coaches trying to 0:13:15.480 --> 0:13:17.040 develop players and grow programs. 0:13:17.760 --> 0:13:18.880 We got to take a quick break. 0:13:18.920 --> 0:13:21.760 When we come back more with Anne Marie Anderson, stay tuned. 0:13:31.600 --> 0:13:35.520 Let's talk about this book, Cultivating Audacity, Dismantle Doubt and 0:13:35.600 --> 0:13:36.319 let Yourself Win. 0:13:36.360 --> 0:13:38.200 Why did you want to write it and why now? 0:13:39.120 --> 0:13:41.520 I wanted to write it because I have seen so 0:13:41.600 --> 0:13:44.640 many people. It kills me when somebody says, ugh, I 0:13:44.640 --> 0:13:47.440 don't like my job, It just makes me so sad, like, 0:13:47.480 --> 0:13:50.000 what are you doing? Because of course your life isn't 0:13:50.040 --> 0:13:52.400 about your job, but a lot of us are afraid 0:13:52.960 --> 0:13:55.400 or we have another barrier that we let drive the bus. 0:13:55.440 --> 0:13:59.000 And I think, Sarah, we've been told like, conquer your fears, 0:13:59.080 --> 0:14:01.960 push it down away, and that just doesn't work. So 0:14:02.160 --> 0:14:07.439 audacity is about embracing making friends with fear, maybe recalibrating 0:14:07.480 --> 0:14:11.360 your relationship with rejection, and making some bold decisions where 0:14:11.360 --> 0:14:13.360 you're okay with the outcome no matter what it is 0:14:13.480 --> 0:14:14.920 because you understand it's data. 0:14:15.480 --> 0:14:17.160 Yeah, you know, I say this all the time, and 0:14:17.200 --> 0:14:20.200 I know it's not easy for everybody, and there are 0:14:20.240 --> 0:14:22.480 definitely stretches of life where you will have a job 0:14:22.520 --> 0:14:24.960 you don't like out of necessity. But I always say 0:14:25.000 --> 0:14:27.000 to people, if you are at a job for long 0:14:27.120 --> 0:14:29.400 enough that the complaining never stops, but you're also not 0:14:29.480 --> 0:14:31.440 actively trying to find a way to make it better 0:14:31.560 --> 0:14:32.400 or do something else. 0:14:33.040 --> 0:14:33.880 Put up or shut up. 0:14:34.360 --> 0:14:37.160 Either find the joy and every day do a gratitude 0:14:37.200 --> 0:14:39.120 practice of coming back from this job you don't like 0:14:39.160 --> 0:14:41.200 and reiterating the things you love about it so that 0:14:41.240 --> 0:14:43.640 you train your brain to find the good or leave, 0:14:43.760 --> 0:14:46.200 because if it's a constant stream toward the negative, you're 0:14:46.200 --> 0:14:48.200 just telling your brain to keep looking for the worst. 0:14:48.480 --> 0:14:49.880 And it's going to get even worse. 0:14:50.160 --> 0:14:51.840 And so yeah, I mean, I think we spent so 0:14:51.920 --> 0:14:53.720 much of our lives working to hate. 0:14:53.760 --> 0:14:56.320 It is such a sad existence. So you've got to 0:14:56.320 --> 0:14:57.120 find a way out of that. 0:14:57.160 --> 0:14:59.480 And I think that there are some lessons in this 0:14:59.480 --> 0:15:01.760 that would apply to everyone. And I want to start 0:15:01.760 --> 0:15:04.480 with the fear you just mentioned. You have a way 0:15:04.520 --> 0:15:07.640 of three ways actually of making friends with your fear, 0:15:07.720 --> 0:15:09.840 figuring out how it might be telling you something, and 0:15:09.880 --> 0:15:11.360 how to bring it with you instead of fighting it. 0:15:11.400 --> 0:15:12.200 Can you tell us about that? 0:15:12.800 --> 0:15:17.040 Sure? I was terrified my first time on air, absolutely terrified, 0:15:17.040 --> 0:15:20.040 and what I ended up doing was kind of catastrophizing. 0:15:20.320 --> 0:15:22.120 People love to say what's the worst that can happen? 0:15:22.200 --> 0:15:23.920 And I was like, you want the worst that can happen? 0:15:24.320 --> 0:15:27.880 And I went all the way to dying, destitute and alone, 0:15:27.960 --> 0:15:29.880 you know kind of thing. But I feel like sometimes 0:15:29.920 --> 0:15:32.240 when we catastrophize, our fears take it all the way 0:15:32.240 --> 0:15:35.040 to the extreme end. We can see that's probably not 0:15:35.080 --> 0:15:37.280 going to happen, and you're probably not going to win 0:15:37.280 --> 0:15:40.080 an Emmy your first time out, and so there is 0:15:40.360 --> 0:15:45.280 some joy in realizing the action is what counted. I 0:15:45.320 --> 0:15:47.560 always say The win in audacity is in the action, 0:15:47.720 --> 0:15:49.480 not in the outcome, and I think that's something a 0:15:49.520 --> 0:15:52.120 lot of us do. So for fears. My first time 0:15:52.160 --> 0:15:53.840 on air, for example, I was afraid that I was 0:15:53.880 --> 0:15:55.920 going to be bad, that I was going to be embarrassed, 0:15:55.920 --> 0:15:57.600 that I was going to be judged, that I was 0:15:57.640 --> 0:16:00.360 going to be exposed. All that happens, Sarah, it. 0:16:00.320 --> 0:16:03.760 Was tragic, awful. What game were you calling? 0:16:04.160 --> 0:16:06.800 It was a college football game. My first time ever 0:16:06.960 --> 0:16:10.880 live was in seventy million homes on ESPN two. I 0:16:10.920 --> 0:16:13.120 know I was supposed to be on regional televisions and 0:16:13.240 --> 0:16:16.040 stuff happened. I'd already been a producer, and so I 0:16:16.200 --> 0:16:18.640 was literally crying outside the stadium. 0:16:18.680 --> 0:16:19.800 I cry when I'm frustrated. 0:16:20.080 --> 0:16:23.080 I was crying outside the stadium. Well, I went on air. 0:16:23.200 --> 0:16:29.280 I was indeed bad, exposed, you know, judge, embarrassed. But 0:16:29.360 --> 0:16:31.640 you know what, I survived. Yeah, And I think that's 0:16:31.680 --> 0:16:35.880 a big part of audacity and taking those actions is 0:16:35.960 --> 0:16:38.920 that once you fail by whatever definition you want to 0:16:38.960 --> 0:16:42.320 use for fail, and you survive it, you can go 0:16:42.440 --> 0:16:44.520 back and try again and maybe get better. I always 0:16:44.560 --> 0:16:46.480 say my second time on air the next week, the 0:16:46.520 --> 0:16:48.440 only thing that was better was that it wasn't the 0:16:48.480 --> 0:16:49.080 first time. 0:16:49.840 --> 0:16:51.680 Well, but also to your point, like we're so afraid 0:16:51.720 --> 0:16:54.960 of failure that we don't recognize that if you fail 0:16:55.000 --> 0:16:56.960 and it's not the end of the world, then the 0:16:57.000 --> 0:16:58.960 next time you don't have as much fear of it 0:16:59.000 --> 0:17:01.200 because you're like I survived that. It wasn't that big 0:17:01.240 --> 0:17:04.400 of a deal. I did one college football sideline reporting. 0:17:04.560 --> 0:17:07.000 It wasn't for me. I did for Big ten Network. 0:17:07.000 --> 0:17:10.080 It wasn't for me. But I was trying to talk 0:17:10.080 --> 0:17:11.160 about a statue that the. 0:17:11.080 --> 0:17:14.040 Illinois players run by and rub on their way onto 0:17:14.080 --> 0:17:15.040 the field for good luck. 0:17:15.359 --> 0:17:17.200 And I'm not great with numbers, which. 0:17:17.080 --> 0:17:19.439 Is why statistics storry's very clearly written out for me 0:17:19.480 --> 0:17:21.280 when I'm going to use them, I don't like try 0:17:21.320 --> 0:17:23.000 to mess about with them if I don't have a plan. 0:17:23.240 --> 0:17:24.439 I like words, not numbers. 0:17:24.520 --> 0:17:26.240 But I tried to say how much the statue weighed, 0:17:26.320 --> 0:17:29.840 and it was like way off. I was like eleven 0:17:30.000 --> 0:17:32.880 hundred tons or something like just completely wrong. 0:17:33.280 --> 0:17:35.200 And I afterwards was like, oh my god. 0:17:35.400 --> 0:17:39.159 One person on Twitter was like eleven hundred tons, like 0:17:39.400 --> 0:17:41.360 pretty sure that's and I Google like, oh my god, 0:17:41.400 --> 0:17:43.880 abs cletely wrong. I'm so embarrassed I made a huge 0:17:43.920 --> 0:17:46.720 mistake on television. Ever, literally no one else mentioned it. 0:17:47.040 --> 0:17:48.800 The boss has never mentioned it. Probably no one else 0:17:48.840 --> 0:17:50.600 even heard it or paid attention or knows whether it 0:17:50.640 --> 0:17:53.080