1 00:00:00,840 --> 00:00:03,079 Speaker 1: Welcome to Good Game with Sarah Spain, where we're running 2 00:00:03,120 --> 00:00:06,520 Speaker 1: on liquid IV and Vitamin C powder. With all this traveling, 3 00:00:06,559 --> 00:00:08,280 Speaker 1: I'm going to need all the help I can get 4 00:00:08,320 --> 00:00:12,360 Speaker 1: to avoid a reappearance of the plague. It's Wednesday, February 5 00:00:12,440 --> 00:00:14,360 Speaker 1: twenty sixth, and then on today's show, we're skipping the 6 00:00:14,360 --> 00:00:16,279 Speaker 1: news to get you right to my conversation with Emmy 7 00:00:16,320 --> 00:00:20,280 Speaker 1: Award winning ESPN broadcaster, speaker, and author Anne Marie Anderson. 8 00:00:20,480 --> 00:00:22,560 Speaker 1: I caught up with her earlier this month to discuss 9 00:00:22,680 --> 00:00:26,120 Speaker 1: lessons from her book Cultivating Audacity, Dismantle Doubt and Let 10 00:00:26,200 --> 00:00:28,760 Speaker 1: Yourself Win. Plus we talk about her current role calling 11 00:00:28,760 --> 00:00:31,120 Speaker 1: the inaugural season of League One Volleyball and how the 12 00:00:31,200 --> 00:00:34,080 Speaker 1: Vibes landscape could change over the next five to ten years. 13 00:00:34,479 --> 00:00:36,840 Speaker 1: I really enjoyed this interview and I left feeling both 14 00:00:36,960 --> 00:00:38,800 Speaker 1: educated and inspired by her wisdom. 15 00:00:38,880 --> 00:00:41,400 Speaker 2: So I hope you all do too. That conversation's coming 16 00:00:41,440 --> 00:00:51,040 Speaker 2: out right after this joining us now. 17 00:00:51,080 --> 00:00:54,240 Speaker 1: She's a three time Emmy Award winning ESPN broadcaster, a speaker, 18 00:00:54,240 --> 00:00:57,440 Speaker 1: and author of the new book Cultivating Audacity, Dismantled Doubt 19 00:00:57,440 --> 00:01:00,760 Speaker 1: and Let Yourself Win. She's covered six Olympic NBA and 20 00:01:00,880 --> 00:01:03,200 Speaker 1: MLB playoffs, the Super Bowl, and more, and has served 21 00:01:03,200 --> 00:01:07,400 Speaker 1: as a play by play announcer on major networks including ESPN, ABC, NBC, Fox, 22 00:01:07,440 --> 00:01:10,880 Speaker 1: and TBS. A former volleyball player for Hofstra, former play 23 00:01:10,880 --> 00:01:13,160 Speaker 1: by play announcer for the Las Vegas Aces, and currently 24 00:01:13,200 --> 00:01:16,240 Speaker 1: broadcasting for NCAA and Love Volleyball, amongst other things. 25 00:01:16,400 --> 00:01:20,320 Speaker 2: It's Anne Marie Anderson. Thanks for joining us. Thanks Sarah, 26 00:01:20,400 --> 00:01:21,640 Speaker 2: good to talk to you. 27 00:01:21,640 --> 00:01:23,399 Speaker 1: You've been on a whirlwind for the book and I 28 00:01:23,440 --> 00:01:25,280 Speaker 1: can't wait to get into that. But I want to 29 00:01:25,319 --> 00:01:27,760 Speaker 1: start with Love Volleyball because you're part of the broadcast 30 00:01:27,760 --> 00:01:31,280 Speaker 1: team for this inaugural season. How has this met or 31 00:01:31,360 --> 00:01:33,520 Speaker 1: maybe differed from your expectations coming in? 32 00:01:34,080 --> 00:01:38,720 Speaker 3: It's incredible. These are the best athletes volleyball athletes in 33 00:01:38,760 --> 00:01:41,720 Speaker 3: the world. You've got ten of thirteen US Olympians. Well, 34 00:01:41,760 --> 00:01:45,880 Speaker 3: you also have Olympians from like Germany, Korea, Japan. It's 35 00:01:45,920 --> 00:01:49,920 Speaker 3: been unbelievable, the best volleyball this country has ever seen. 36 00:01:50,280 --> 00:01:52,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, and it was five years in the making, this league, 37 00:01:52,280 --> 00:01:55,120 Speaker 1: and I remember hearing rumors about it a couple of 38 00:01:55,160 --> 00:01:58,800 Speaker 1: years ago. Obviously, Love is a part of this much 39 00:01:58,880 --> 00:02:03,120 Speaker 1: larger camp and youth organization systems. So it's really building 40 00:02:03,160 --> 00:02:05,560 Speaker 1: on something that they've already had across the country with 41 00:02:05,640 --> 00:02:09,400 Speaker 1: this growing youth volleyball scene, But for them to actually 42 00:02:09,560 --> 00:02:12,640 Speaker 1: put it up, have it be visible, have it be 43 00:02:13,200 --> 00:02:17,200 Speaker 1: something that really changes the landscape for pro volleyball has 44 00:02:17,240 --> 00:02:20,720 Speaker 1: been cool to watch and also even to see their 45 00:02:20,760 --> 00:02:24,160 Speaker 1: ability to take feedback almost instantly that first night of 46 00:02:24,280 --> 00:02:27,880 Speaker 1: television everyone's watching. There were some kooky camera angles. They 47 00:02:27,919 --> 00:02:30,000 Speaker 1: probably seemed like they'd be interesting and said they were 48 00:02:30,000 --> 00:02:32,040 Speaker 1: a bit jarring, made it tough to watch, and they 49 00:02:32,040 --> 00:02:34,840 Speaker 1: adjusted when you're behind the scenes, Were you hearing a 50 00:02:34,880 --> 00:02:37,600 Speaker 1: lot of that as someone on the mic where you 51 00:02:37,600 --> 00:02:39,600 Speaker 1: were receiving a lot of the feedback that they had 52 00:02:39,639 --> 00:02:40,359 Speaker 1: for the league. 53 00:02:40,520 --> 00:02:42,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, because of course I don't see those shots, right, 54 00:02:42,720 --> 00:02:45,080 Speaker 3: I'm going the game from the floor. But that's the 55 00:02:45,120 --> 00:02:47,880 Speaker 3: thing that's so great about Love is that they're trying 56 00:02:47,919 --> 00:02:49,960 Speaker 3: to do things different. Look, we're all athletes. What are 57 00:02:50,000 --> 00:02:51,960 Speaker 3: you going to do if you're not coachable through it? 58 00:02:52,040 --> 00:02:53,960 Speaker 3: So I love that. And the other thing Sarah you 59 00:02:54,080 --> 00:02:56,240 Speaker 3: hinted at it is that they call it an ecosystem 60 00:02:56,639 --> 00:03:01,040 Speaker 3: from club volleyball all the way up through profession and Olympians, 61 00:03:01,240 --> 00:03:05,200 Speaker 3: so it really ties those youth athletes to what's potentially 62 00:03:05,280 --> 00:03:05,799 Speaker 3: their dreams. 63 00:03:06,000 --> 00:03:07,919 Speaker 1: Yeah, which we didn't have a lot growing up, which 64 00:03:07,919 --> 00:03:10,040 Speaker 1: is crazy. What have the crowds been like at the 65 00:03:10,080 --> 00:03:10,639 Speaker 1: Love Games? 66 00:03:11,120 --> 00:03:11,640 Speaker 2: They're great. 67 00:03:11,720 --> 00:03:14,320 Speaker 3: It's been somewhat small arenas that they just sell out. 68 00:03:14,360 --> 00:03:14,880 Speaker 2: At this point. 69 00:03:14,880 --> 00:03:16,800 Speaker 3: I think they need to go to bigger arenas because 70 00:03:16,840 --> 00:03:18,320 Speaker 3: the demand has been so huge. 71 00:03:18,800 --> 00:03:20,840 Speaker 1: That's really cool that that's already happening. Yeah, we had 72 00:03:20,840 --> 00:03:23,960 Speaker 1: some folks from Love on before the league's first launched 73 00:03:24,000 --> 00:03:26,160 Speaker 1: this year, and that's what they said. We wanted to 74 00:03:26,200 --> 00:03:29,320 Speaker 1: do manageable sizes to really make the environment great for 75 00:03:29,360 --> 00:03:32,080 Speaker 1: the games. But if they're already selling out and needing 76 00:03:32,080 --> 00:03:35,000 Speaker 1: to expand, that's fantastic. What do you make of the 77 00:03:35,200 --> 00:03:39,200 Speaker 1: sort of crowded field for women's volleyball. We've got Love 78 00:03:39,200 --> 00:03:41,400 Speaker 1: and Athletes Unlimited, which play at different times of the year, 79 00:03:41,440 --> 00:03:45,280 Speaker 1: But then we've got PVF, the Professional Volleyball Federation in 80 00:03:45,320 --> 00:03:47,440 Speaker 1: its second season, which plays at the same time as LOVE. 81 00:03:47,480 --> 00:03:49,200 Speaker 1: And then a few weeks ago, one of the teams 82 00:03:49,240 --> 00:03:52,440 Speaker 1: in the PVF, the Omaha Supernovas, announced they're leaving the 83 00:03:52,440 --> 00:03:54,320 Speaker 1: PVF to be part of a new league called Major 84 00:03:54,400 --> 00:03:57,800 Speaker 1: League Volleyball launching next season. Can you explain why the 85 00:03:57,800 --> 00:03:59,000 Speaker 1: field's so crowded right now? 86 00:03:59,760 --> 00:04:02,360 Speaker 3: No, Oh, Sarah, I cannot explain why the field is 87 00:04:02,400 --> 00:04:06,200 Speaker 3: so crowded. I mean, just like any lever of sports, 88 00:04:06,200 --> 00:04:08,320 Speaker 3: you kind of wish it was all consolidated into one, 89 00:04:08,760 --> 00:04:10,880 Speaker 3: but it is what it is, and at this point 90 00:04:11,240 --> 00:04:14,840 Speaker 3: we will see kind of hoopervails and my money's on love. 91 00:04:15,320 --> 00:04:17,800 Speaker 1: Yeah. Have you spoken to any of the athletes about it, 92 00:04:17,800 --> 00:04:19,960 Speaker 1: because on the one hand, it's so great that at 93 00:04:20,000 --> 00:04:22,279 Speaker 1: one point you had to go abroad to even continue 94 00:04:22,279 --> 00:04:24,720 Speaker 1: your career, and now there's all these opportunities in the States. 95 00:04:24,839 --> 00:04:29,240 Speaker 1: At the same time, that's resources, money, opportunities, quality of play, 96 00:04:29,279 --> 00:04:32,080 Speaker 1: that's being sort of split amongst many instead of focused. 97 00:04:32,640 --> 00:04:32,880 Speaker 2: Yeah. 98 00:04:33,000 --> 00:04:36,479 Speaker 3: Jordan Larson, who's the goat of volleyball, four time Olympic medalist, 99 00:04:36,520 --> 00:04:39,280 Speaker 3: she plays in League one Volleyball and they had their 100 00:04:39,279 --> 00:04:42,120 Speaker 3: home opener in Omaha recently and she said, I cried 101 00:04:42,200 --> 00:04:45,360 Speaker 3: on my way to the arena because I've never slept 102 00:04:45,360 --> 00:04:47,760 Speaker 3: in my bed before a game before. And then she'll 103 00:04:47,800 --> 00:04:51,960 Speaker 3: go back and sleep again. It's in terms of talent 104 00:04:52,040 --> 00:04:56,320 Speaker 3: being spread around I mean, again, there's so much talent. 105 00:04:56,680 --> 00:04:59,880 Speaker 3: League one volleyball tends to go for the Olympians PVF 106 00:05:00,160 --> 00:05:02,839 Speaker 3: somewhere that people that aren't quite that same level maybe 107 00:05:02,920 --> 00:05:05,400 Speaker 3: can play. Not that there's not a great level and 108 00:05:06,120 --> 00:05:08,840 Speaker 3: PVF there definitely is, but the Olympians are with Love. 109 00:05:09,320 --> 00:05:09,880 Speaker 2: Yeah. 110 00:05:09,960 --> 00:05:11,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, it feels like on the one hand, it's like 111 00:05:11,960 --> 00:05:15,360 Speaker 1: great that everybody's interested, but also, let's find out if 112 00:05:15,360 --> 00:05:17,440 Speaker 1: the people who are launching all of these are wanting 113 00:05:17,480 --> 00:05:19,960 Speaker 1: to be at the top of the pyramid instead of 114 00:05:20,040 --> 00:05:22,880 Speaker 1: making sure that the pyramid is a solid foundation and 115 00:05:23,200 --> 00:05:27,000 Speaker 1: one that will sustain, which usually means collaborating and working 116 00:05:27,000 --> 00:05:31,320 Speaker 1: together instead of setting up all these different leagues. How 117 00:05:31,320 --> 00:05:34,600 Speaker 1: have you personally handled the power that's given to broadcasters 118 00:05:34,600 --> 00:05:37,719 Speaker 1: at Love or League one to pause play for a 119 00:05:37,800 --> 00:05:42,240 Speaker 1: story or an explanation that we loved hearing from the 120 00:05:42,320 --> 00:05:45,920 Speaker 1: Love folks before the season started about how they really 121 00:05:45,960 --> 00:05:48,360 Speaker 1: wanted to let the broadcasters teach. 122 00:05:48,160 --> 00:05:49,800 Speaker 2: The game while you were watching it. 123 00:05:50,080 --> 00:05:52,279 Speaker 1: But that's a lot of power to have to wait, 124 00:05:52,360 --> 00:05:54,600 Speaker 1: you know, they have to actually wait for y'all sometimes. 125 00:05:54,920 --> 00:05:57,160 Speaker 1: How have you personally looked at that and how you 126 00:05:57,200 --> 00:05:57,920 Speaker 1: want to approach it? 127 00:05:58,360 --> 00:06:00,600 Speaker 3: Well, we've gone away from it a little bit because, 128 00:06:01,000 --> 00:06:04,120 Speaker 3: as you said, taking feedback, what we do a lot 129 00:06:04,160 --> 00:06:07,160 Speaker 3: now is mike the players, mike the announcers, and then 130 00:06:07,200 --> 00:06:10,320 Speaker 3: are able to explain that afterwards. You get some great 131 00:06:10,360 --> 00:06:13,160 Speaker 3: stuff of course in the huddles, and then some players 132 00:06:13,200 --> 00:06:15,800 Speaker 3: on the floor as well. It's just a different way 133 00:06:15,839 --> 00:06:18,839 Speaker 3: of looking at it, and it's tricky, Sarah, to balance. Okay, 134 00:06:18,880 --> 00:06:20,800 Speaker 3: these are the volleyball folks who know the game and 135 00:06:20,839 --> 00:06:22,440 Speaker 3: want to learn more, and these are the people that 136 00:06:22,480 --> 00:06:24,039 Speaker 3: are just learning the game, and I don't want to 137 00:06:24,080 --> 00:06:26,720 Speaker 3: lose them by talking over their heads. It's a bit 138 00:06:26,720 --> 00:06:27,320 Speaker 3: of a dance. 139 00:06:27,839 --> 00:06:30,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, So there was more of that at the beginning, 140 00:06:30,120 --> 00:06:31,520 Speaker 1: and lately you haven't done it as much. 141 00:06:31,520 --> 00:06:34,040 Speaker 3: You're saying no, not pausing play right. 142 00:06:34,440 --> 00:06:36,359 Speaker 1: I think what would be fascinating to your point, and 143 00:06:36,400 --> 00:06:37,960 Speaker 1: we work on this on our show as well, is 144 00:06:38,000 --> 00:06:41,080 Speaker 1: how do you balance the people who already know a 145 00:06:41,120 --> 00:06:43,560 Speaker 1: lot and want to get a little bit deeper and 146 00:06:43,600 --> 00:06:45,040 Speaker 1: then the folks who show up and listen. And we 147 00:06:45,040 --> 00:06:46,680 Speaker 1: don't want to scare them away because they don't know 148 00:06:46,680 --> 00:06:49,360 Speaker 1: all the nicknames and all the acronyms and all the whatever. 149 00:06:49,400 --> 00:06:51,000 Speaker 2: So we try to do a little bit of both. 150 00:06:51,000 --> 00:06:52,640 Speaker 1: In your case, I wonder if it might be useful 151 00:06:52,680 --> 00:06:55,240 Speaker 1: for love to take one of the great games that's 152 00:06:55,240 --> 00:06:59,560 Speaker 1: already happened and have a couple analysts rewatch it being 153 00:06:59,560 --> 00:07:01,520 Speaker 1: able to and walk people through so that if you 154 00:07:01,560 --> 00:07:03,440 Speaker 1: do want to get into the league and understand better 155 00:07:03,440 --> 00:07:05,240 Speaker 1: and be a better fan of it, you have this 156 00:07:05,320 --> 00:07:07,560 Speaker 1: opportunity via something that you can just go to on 157 00:07:07,600 --> 00:07:10,400 Speaker 1: their website and rewatch with them explaining and walking you 158 00:07:10,440 --> 00:07:10,760 Speaker 1: through it. 159 00:07:11,280 --> 00:07:13,080 Speaker 2: I love it. Have you brought that up to them now, 160 00:07:13,160 --> 00:07:14,080 Speaker 2: but you should. 161 00:07:14,200 --> 00:07:16,400 Speaker 1: I will take the idea run with it, because I 162 00:07:16,440 --> 00:07:19,000 Speaker 1: would watch that. I love watching volleyball, but it's not 163 00:07:19,040 --> 00:07:21,160 Speaker 1: my wheelhouse, and so to have someone actually tell me 164 00:07:21,200 --> 00:07:23,680 Speaker 1: what I'm looking for and how I can see positioning 165 00:07:23,760 --> 00:07:25,560 Speaker 1: or strategy or things like that would be would be 166 00:07:25,560 --> 00:07:27,840 Speaker 1: really cool where you could pause the game and not 167 00:07:27,840 --> 00:07:28,880 Speaker 1: feel like you're missing anything. 168 00:07:28,920 --> 00:07:32,600 Speaker 3: For that so my wheelhouse. Sarah too that I'm kind 169 00:07:32,600 --> 00:07:34,520 Speaker 3: of loving it. My son plays college volleyball and I 170 00:07:34,560 --> 00:07:36,680 Speaker 3: just came back from his matches and it's always like 171 00:07:36,720 --> 00:07:39,280 Speaker 3: the other mothers sitting next to me, going, what's happening, Yeah. 172 00:07:39,120 --> 00:07:41,440 Speaker 2: What's happening? So I do it anyway, I'll bring it 173 00:07:41,480 --> 00:07:42,200 Speaker 2: up to them. Why not. 174 00:07:42,440 --> 00:07:44,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, what do you think the landscape's going to look 175 00:07:44,480 --> 00:07:45,600 Speaker 1: like for pro women's volleyball? 176 00:07:45,600 --> 00:07:47,360 Speaker 2: And say five or ten years. 177 00:07:47,080 --> 00:07:48,559 Speaker 3: I think it's going to settle into one. 178 00:07:49,080 --> 00:07:49,840 Speaker 2: I really hope. 179 00:07:49,880 --> 00:07:53,200 Speaker 3: So. I do a lot of traveling overseas during the 180 00:07:53,240 --> 00:07:56,520 Speaker 3: summer calling Volleyball Nations League, which is the professional teams 181 00:07:57,000 --> 00:08:00,720 Speaker 3: from each country competing against each other, and the crowds 182 00:08:00,880 --> 00:08:06,880 Speaker 3: overseas are insane. Brazil, Thailand, the Netherlands, the Philippines have 183 00:08:06,960 --> 00:08:10,240 Speaker 3: been all over the place, Turkey, and I think that 184 00:08:10,360 --> 00:08:14,680 Speaker 3: once the US gets one super strong pro league, and 185 00:08:14,920 --> 00:08:18,120 Speaker 3: like you, that's my hope that things will consolidate into one. 186 00:08:18,360 --> 00:08:22,040 Speaker 3: I think we're going to start seeing big crowds getting 187 00:08:22,040 --> 00:08:24,560 Speaker 3: attached to these players. It's all about the stories, isn't it, 188 00:08:24,920 --> 00:08:28,080 Speaker 3: And so knowing the athlete beyond oh how hard they 189 00:08:28,080 --> 00:08:30,840 Speaker 3: can they hit the ball, but knowing their life and 190 00:08:30,880 --> 00:08:33,360 Speaker 3: getting connected to them. It's been such a gift. All 191 00:08:33,360 --> 00:08:37,400 Speaker 3: the US players are so incredibly grateful, and they're having 192 00:08:37,480 --> 00:08:40,160 Speaker 3: a great time kind of welcoming all the international players 193 00:08:40,200 --> 00:08:42,840 Speaker 3: in and teaching them American customs. It's been really fun. 194 00:08:42,960 --> 00:08:46,200 Speaker 2: That's really cool. You also cover NCAA volleyball. 195 00:08:46,840 --> 00:08:49,360 Speaker 1: How do you explain the massive spike in popularity for 196 00:08:49,400 --> 00:08:50,880 Speaker 1: what we're calling college vibs. 197 00:08:51,840 --> 00:08:55,000 Speaker 3: I think we've got a couple of female leaders both 198 00:08:55,000 --> 00:08:57,839 Speaker 3: at ESPN and Erica Galbreath and at Big ten in 199 00:08:57,920 --> 00:09:01,160 Speaker 3: Sue Maritt, who understand the game. And I think when 200 00:09:01,160 --> 00:09:05,120 Speaker 3: the high level folks understand the game, they understand what 201 00:09:05,280 --> 00:09:07,719 Speaker 3: it is that viewers want to see. And I think 202 00:09:07,760 --> 00:09:11,040 Speaker 3: between the two of them, creating more and more of 203 00:09:11,760 --> 00:09:14,319 Speaker 3: graphics and helping people attach kind of like you were 204 00:09:14,320 --> 00:09:19,520 Speaker 3: just talking about, gives people something to root for. Plus, Sarah, 205 00:09:19,559 --> 00:09:23,000 Speaker 3: I've been doing this for thirty five years. The athletes 206 00:09:23,040 --> 00:09:26,920 Speaker 3: now are huge, and that's a compliment. It's so strong 207 00:09:27,320 --> 00:09:30,560 Speaker 3: that it is electric volleyball. And the thing about women's 208 00:09:30,679 --> 00:09:33,160 Speaker 3: volleyball versus men's and I love men's again, my son 209 00:09:33,240 --> 00:09:35,960 Speaker 3: plays men's is that the rallies are longer. Yeah, And 210 00:09:36,000 --> 00:09:39,000 Speaker 3: I think in women's volleyball the fans just live and 211 00:09:39,040 --> 00:09:40,280 Speaker 3: die with each rally. 212 00:09:40,360 --> 00:09:42,319 Speaker 1: It's a lot of fun, yeah, because they hit hard, 213 00:09:42,400 --> 00:09:45,800 Speaker 1: but not so hard that you can't possibly return it, 214 00:09:45,960 --> 00:09:46,920 Speaker 1: so that allows for them. 215 00:09:47,120 --> 00:09:50,160 Speaker 2: I can't go on more. Well, we couldn't. But yeah, but. 216 00:09:50,200 --> 00:09:54,360 Speaker 1: Those great players, can you know the state? I think 217 00:09:54,360 --> 00:09:57,880 Speaker 1: to your point, we often blame the product when we 218 00:09:57,960 --> 00:10:00,839 Speaker 1: don't supply it with the context necessary for people to 219 00:10:00,840 --> 00:10:01,520 Speaker 1: get attached to it. 220 00:10:01,520 --> 00:10:02,520 Speaker 2: We're so good at doing that. 221 00:10:02,559 --> 00:10:04,560 Speaker 1: In men's sports, we give all the shoulder programming and 222 00:10:04,600 --> 00:10:07,000 Speaker 1: the pre and post games and the stories and the features, 223 00:10:07,320 --> 00:10:08,800 Speaker 1: and then you watch the game and you have all 224 00:10:08,800 --> 00:10:10,600 Speaker 1: that information that you bring to it. And then women's 225 00:10:10,640 --> 00:10:14,160 Speaker 1: sports a lot of times, especially more so even a 226 00:10:14,160 --> 00:10:16,640 Speaker 1: decade ago, it's just like, here's the game. We're not 227 00:10:16,640 --> 00:10:18,440 Speaker 1: gonna tell you anything before or after. We're not gonna 228 00:10:18,440 --> 00:10:20,160 Speaker 1: introduce you anyone. You're not gonna way the contacts, you're 229 00:10:20,160 --> 00:10:21,880 Speaker 1: not gonna go to the storylines, and then we're gonna 230 00:10:21,880 --> 00:10:24,079 Speaker 1: blame the game when there aren't as many viewers even 231 00:10:24,120 --> 00:10:26,120 Speaker 1: though we haven't given it an opportunity. So I love 232 00:10:26,160 --> 00:10:28,520 Speaker 1: that you're saying there's people in charge who know better 233 00:10:28,559 --> 00:10:29,880 Speaker 1: and are are doing better, and. 234 00:10:29,840 --> 00:10:32,520 Speaker 2: It's paying off. One last quick thing about NCA Volleyball. 235 00:10:32,600 --> 00:10:35,679 Speaker 1: Some incredible retirements that we're getting all in a row 236 00:10:35,720 --> 00:10:37,800 Speaker 1: here from some of the biggest coaches in the game, 237 00:10:37,880 --> 00:10:39,240 Speaker 1: John Cook, Mary Wise. 238 00:10:39,400 --> 00:10:42,480 Speaker 2: There's another one. I'm forgetting right now. But what is this? 239 00:10:42,480 --> 00:10:44,720 Speaker 1: This seems like of course, I mean they've been coaching 240 00:10:44,760 --> 00:10:47,520 Speaker 1: twenty five years. Mary Why's thirty four years at Florida, 241 00:10:47,600 --> 00:10:50,120 Speaker 1: John Cook twenty five at Nebraska. Obviously, they've been in 242 00:10:50,200 --> 00:10:52,600 Speaker 1: a long time and they've earned it if they want 243 00:10:52,640 --> 00:10:55,480 Speaker 1: to retire. But of all times, when it's peaking like this, 244 00:10:55,720 --> 00:10:57,360 Speaker 1: are you surprised to see them step away? 245 00:10:58,000 --> 00:11:00,839 Speaker 3: You know? The honest truth is no. The transfer portal 246 00:11:00,880 --> 00:11:03,200 Speaker 3: is brutal, And how would you like to be somebody 247 00:11:03,200 --> 00:11:06,760 Speaker 3: who's an absolute legend coaching in the game begging your 248 00:11:06,800 --> 00:11:09,600 Speaker 3: eighteen year old to stay because. 249 00:11:09,200 --> 00:11:09,840 Speaker 2: They didn't play. 250 00:11:09,880 --> 00:11:12,120 Speaker 3: I mean, the transfer portal for me, in my opinion, 251 00:11:12,200 --> 00:11:15,760 Speaker 3: is out of control, and it's taken away the ability 252 00:11:15,800 --> 00:11:19,480 Speaker 3: of these legendary coaches to develop players. At this point, 253 00:11:19,520 --> 00:11:22,240 Speaker 3: it's a constant emergency trying to keep your players happy, 254 00:11:22,559 --> 00:11:26,040 Speaker 3: and you can't really develop because everybody's so impatient. So 255 00:11:26,880 --> 00:11:30,479 Speaker 3: I think we're going to see some more longtime ogs retiring. 256 00:11:31,080 --> 00:11:34,000 Speaker 1: I don't blame the coaches, especially after thirty twenty five years, 257 00:11:34,559 --> 00:11:37,199 Speaker 1: reacting to this drastic change and being ready to kind 258 00:11:37,200 --> 00:11:39,520 Speaker 1: of move on. But I think I still prioritize the 259 00:11:39,520 --> 00:11:42,600 Speaker 1: player experience, particularly when you might only have those four years, right, 260 00:11:42,600 --> 00:11:44,920 Speaker 1: and when there was no transfer portal, there was no 261 00:11:45,000 --> 00:11:47,120 Speaker 1: recourse for someone that was unhappy or even if they 262 00:11:47,120 --> 00:11:50,000 Speaker 1: weren't playing, and that was right, they didn't deserve it 263 00:11:50,000 --> 00:11:51,800 Speaker 1: at that school. Maybe they just want to play somewhere 264 00:11:51,800 --> 00:11:54,840 Speaker 1: else if that's their only chance. Right, Is your solution 265 00:11:55,320 --> 00:11:58,760 Speaker 1: just more policy or rules around how and when you 266 00:11:58,800 --> 00:12:01,559 Speaker 1: can transfer, because I assume you believe that the transfer 267 00:12:01,600 --> 00:12:03,800 Speaker 1: portal existing is good, but maybe just the extent to 268 00:12:03,840 --> 00:12:05,199 Speaker 1: which it's used is the problem. 269 00:12:05,720 --> 00:12:08,920 Speaker 3: Yes, exactly. I mean again, I think you played college 270 00:12:08,960 --> 00:12:10,839 Speaker 3: sports as well when we played. At least the role 271 00:12:10,880 --> 00:12:12,439 Speaker 3: when I played was you had to sit out a year. 272 00:12:12,800 --> 00:12:15,959 Speaker 3: That's tough, right, And you're talking about the player experience, 273 00:12:16,200 --> 00:12:18,040 Speaker 3: But I think we got rid of some protections that 274 00:12:18,080 --> 00:12:20,480 Speaker 3: maybe will help people not or would help people not 275 00:12:20,559 --> 00:12:24,200 Speaker 3: jump so fast. Transferring within a conference could be one 276 00:12:24,240 --> 00:12:27,640 Speaker 3: of them. Maybe a waiting period of some type, because 277 00:12:27,800 --> 00:12:30,400 Speaker 3: like you, I want I want athletes to be able 278 00:12:30,440 --> 00:12:32,920 Speaker 3: to play and be able to be a part of it. 279 00:12:33,400 --> 00:12:35,640 Speaker 3: But at the same time, a lot of people are 280 00:12:35,679 --> 00:12:38,720 Speaker 3: jumping now where there's money involved and other things. 281 00:12:38,520 --> 00:12:41,480 Speaker 2: And it just clouds the field. 282 00:12:42,000 --> 00:12:45,320 Speaker 3: I will say this though, Sarah, there's great parody across 283 00:12:45,360 --> 00:12:47,720 Speaker 3: the country. Yeah. No longer is it just a couple 284 00:12:47,800 --> 00:12:49,800 Speaker 3: of teams that are going to win. This past season 285 00:12:50,320 --> 00:12:53,880 Speaker 3: was as wide open as we have ever seen. 286 00:12:54,320 --> 00:12:56,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm still in favor of the athlete, but I 287 00:12:56,800 --> 00:12:57,800 Speaker 1: do think sometimes they. 288 00:12:57,720 --> 00:12:59,800 Speaker 2: Might even move too quickly for their own good. 289 00:13:00,160 --> 00:13:02,880 Speaker 1: So you're still centering and prioritizing the athlete, but in 290 00:13:03,280 --> 00:13:08,319 Speaker 1: a sense of protecting their ability to see their movement 291 00:13:08,400 --> 00:13:10,400 Speaker 1: for what it might be, as opposed to just bouncing 292 00:13:10,520 --> 00:13:11,559 Speaker 1: when things aren't going their way. 293 00:13:11,559 --> 00:13:12,440 Speaker 2: But yeah, it's. 294 00:13:12,320 --> 00:13:15,440 Speaker 1: Complicated for sure, especially complicated for the coaches trying to 295 00:13:15,480 --> 00:13:17,040 Speaker 1: develop players and grow programs. 296 00:13:17,760 --> 00:13:18,880 Speaker 2: We got to take a quick break. 297 00:13:18,920 --> 00:13:21,760 Speaker 1: When we come back more with Anne Marie Anderson, stay tuned. 298 00:13:31,600 --> 00:13:35,520 Speaker 1: Let's talk about this book, Cultivating Audacity, Dismantle Doubt and 299 00:13:35,600 --> 00:13:36,319 Speaker 1: let Yourself Win. 300 00:13:36,360 --> 00:13:38,200 Speaker 2: Why did you want to write it and why now? 301 00:13:39,120 --> 00:13:41,520 Speaker 3: I wanted to write it because I have seen so 302 00:13:41,600 --> 00:13:44,640 Speaker 3: many people. It kills me when somebody says, ugh, I 303 00:13:44,640 --> 00:13:47,440 Speaker 3: don't like my job, It just makes me so sad, like, 304 00:13:47,480 --> 00:13:50,000 Speaker 3: what are you doing? Because of course your life isn't 305 00:13:50,040 --> 00:13:52,400 Speaker 3: about your job, but a lot of us are afraid 306 00:13:52,960 --> 00:13:55,400 Speaker 3: or we have another barrier that we let drive the bus. 307 00:13:55,440 --> 00:13:59,000 Speaker 3: And I think, Sarah, we've been told like, conquer your fears, 308 00:13:59,080 --> 00:14:01,960 Speaker 3: push it down away, and that just doesn't work. So 309 00:14:02,160 --> 00:14:07,439 Speaker 3: audacity is about embracing making friends with fear, maybe recalibrating 310 00:14:07,480 --> 00:14:11,360 Speaker 3: your relationship with rejection, and making some bold decisions where 311 00:14:11,360 --> 00:14:13,360 Speaker 3: you're okay with the outcome no matter what it is 312 00:14:13,480 --> 00:14:14,920 Speaker 3: because you understand it's data. 313 00:14:15,480 --> 00:14:17,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I say this all the time, and 314 00:14:17,200 --> 00:14:20,200 Speaker 1: I know it's not easy for everybody, and there are 315 00:14:20,240 --> 00:14:22,480 Speaker 1: definitely stretches of life where you will have a job 316 00:14:22,520 --> 00:14:24,960 Speaker 1: you don't like out of necessity. But I always say 317 00:14:25,000 --> 00:14:27,000 Speaker 1: to people, if you are at a job for long 318 00:14:27,120 --> 00:14:29,400 Speaker 1: enough that the complaining never stops, but you're also not 319 00:14:29,480 --> 00:14:31,440 Speaker 1: actively trying to find a way to make it better 320 00:14:31,560 --> 00:14:32,400 Speaker 1: or do something else. 321 00:14:33,040 --> 00:14:33,880 Speaker 2: Put up or shut up. 322 00:14:34,360 --> 00:14:37,160 Speaker 1: Either find the joy and every day do a gratitude 323 00:14:37,200 --> 00:14:39,120 Speaker 1: practice of coming back from this job you don't like 324 00:14:39,160 --> 00:14:41,200 Speaker 1: and reiterating the things you love about it so that 325 00:14:41,240 --> 00:14:43,640 Speaker 1: you train your brain to find the good or leave, 326 00:14:43,760 --> 00:14:46,200 Speaker 1: because if it's a constant stream toward the negative, you're 327 00:14:46,200 --> 00:14:48,200 Speaker 1: just telling your brain to keep looking for the worst. 328 00:14:48,480 --> 00:14:49,880 Speaker 2: And it's going to get even worse. 329 00:14:50,160 --> 00:14:51,840 Speaker 1: And so yeah, I mean, I think we spent so 330 00:14:51,920 --> 00:14:53,720 Speaker 1: much of our lives working to hate. 331 00:14:53,760 --> 00:14:56,320 Speaker 2: It is such a sad existence. So you've got to 332 00:14:56,320 --> 00:14:57,120 Speaker 2: find a way out of that. 333 00:14:57,160 --> 00:14:59,480 Speaker 1: And I think that there are some lessons in this 334 00:14:59,480 --> 00:15:01,760 Speaker 1: that would apply to everyone. And I want to start 335 00:15:01,760 --> 00:15:04,480 Speaker 1: with the fear you just mentioned. You have a way 336 00:15:04,520 --> 00:15:07,640 Speaker 1: of three ways actually of making friends with your fear, 337 00:15:07,720 --> 00:15:09,840 Speaker 1: figuring out how it might be telling you something, and 338 00:15:09,880 --> 00:15:11,360 Speaker 1: how to bring it with you instead of fighting it. 339 00:15:11,400 --> 00:15:12,200 Speaker 2: Can you tell us about that? 340 00:15:12,800 --> 00:15:17,040 Speaker 3: Sure? I was terrified my first time on air, absolutely terrified, 341 00:15:17,040 --> 00:15:20,040 Speaker 3: and what I ended up doing was kind of catastrophizing. 342 00:15:20,320 --> 00:15:22,120 Speaker 3: People love to say what's the worst that can happen? 343 00:15:22,200 --> 00:15:23,920 Speaker 3: And I was like, you want the worst that can happen? 344 00:15:24,320 --> 00:15:27,880 Speaker 3: And I went all the way to dying, destitute and alone, 345 00:15:27,960 --> 00:15:29,880 Speaker 3: you know kind of thing. But I feel like sometimes 346 00:15:29,920 --> 00:15:32,240 Speaker 3: when we catastrophize, our fears take it all the way 347 00:15:32,240 --> 00:15:35,040 Speaker 3: to the extreme end. We can see that's probably not 348 00:15:35,080 --> 00:15:37,280 Speaker 3: going to happen, and you're probably not going to win 349 00:15:37,280 --> 00:15:40,080 Speaker 3: an Emmy your first time out, and so there is 350 00:15:40,360 --> 00:15:45,280 Speaker 3: some joy in realizing the action is what counted. I 351 00:15:45,320 --> 00:15:47,560 Speaker 3: always say The win in audacity is in the action, 352 00:15:47,720 --> 00:15:49,480 Speaker 3: not in the outcome, and I think that's something a 353 00:15:49,520 --> 00:15:52,120 Speaker 3: lot of us do. So for fears. My first time 354 00:15:52,160 --> 00:15:53,840 Speaker 3: on air, for example, I was afraid that I was 355 00:15:53,880 --> 00:15:55,920 Speaker 3: going to be bad, that I was going to be embarrassed, 356 00:15:55,920 --> 00:15:57,600 Speaker 3: that I was going to be judged, that I was 357 00:15:57,640 --> 00:16:00,360 Speaker 3: going to be exposed. All that happens, Sarah, it. 358 00:16:00,320 --> 00:16:03,760 Speaker 2: Was tragic, awful. What game were you calling? 359 00:16:04,160 --> 00:16:06,800 Speaker 3: It was a college football game. My first time ever 360 00:16:06,960 --> 00:16:10,880 Speaker 3: live was in seventy million homes on ESPN two. I 361 00:16:10,920 --> 00:16:13,120 Speaker 3: know I was supposed to be on regional televisions and 362 00:16:13,240 --> 00:16:16,040 Speaker 3: stuff happened. I'd already been a producer, and so I 363 00:16:16,200 --> 00:16:18,640 Speaker 3: was literally crying outside the stadium. 364 00:16:18,680 --> 00:16:19,800 Speaker 2: I cry when I'm frustrated. 365 00:16:20,080 --> 00:16:23,080 Speaker 3: I was crying outside the stadium. Well, I went on air. 366 00:16:23,200 --> 00:16:29,280 Speaker 3: I was indeed bad, exposed, you know, judge, embarrassed. But 367 00:16:29,360 --> 00:16:31,640 Speaker 3: you know what, I survived. Yeah, And I think that's 368 00:16:31,680 --> 00:16:35,880 Speaker 3: a big part of audacity and taking those actions is 369 00:16:35,960 --> 00:16:38,920 Speaker 3: that once you fail by whatever definition you want to 370 00:16:38,960 --> 00:16:42,320 Speaker 3: use for fail, and you survive it, you can go 371 00:16:42,440 --> 00:16:44,520 Speaker 3: back and try again and maybe get better. I always 372 00:16:44,560 --> 00:16:46,480 Speaker 3: say my second time on air the next week, the 373 00:16:46,520 --> 00:16:48,440 Speaker 3: only thing that was better was that it wasn't the 374 00:16:48,480 --> 00:16:49,080 Speaker 3: first time. 375 00:16:49,840 --> 00:16:51,680 Speaker 1: Well, but also to your point, like we're so afraid 376 00:16:51,720 --> 00:16:54,960 Speaker 1: of failure that we don't recognize that if you fail 377 00:16:55,000 --> 00:16:56,960 Speaker 1: and it's not the end of the world, then the 378 00:16:57,000 --> 00:16:58,960 Speaker 1: next time you don't have as much fear of it 379 00:16:59,000 --> 00:17:01,200 Speaker 1: because you're like I survived that. It wasn't that big 380 00:17:01,240 --> 00:17:04,400 Speaker 1: of a deal. I did one college football sideline reporting. 381 00:17:04,560 --> 00:17:07,000 Speaker 2: It wasn't for me. I did for Big ten Network. 382 00:17:07,000 --> 00:17:10,080 Speaker 2: It wasn't for me. But I was trying to talk 383 00:17:10,080 --> 00:17:11,160 Speaker 2: about a statue that the. 384 00:17:11,080 --> 00:17:14,040 Speaker 1: Illinois players run by and rub on their way onto 385 00:17:14,080 --> 00:17:15,040 Speaker 1: the field for good luck. 386 00:17:15,359 --> 00:17:17,200 Speaker 2: And I'm not great with numbers, which. 387 00:17:17,080 --> 00:17:19,439 Speaker 1: Is why statistics storry's very clearly written out for me 388 00:17:19,480 --> 00:17:21,280 Speaker 1: when I'm going to use them, I don't like try 389 00:17:21,320 --> 00:17:23,000 Speaker 1: to mess about with them if I don't have a plan. 390 00:17:23,240 --> 00:17:24,439 Speaker 2: I like words, not numbers. 391 00:17:24,520 --> 00:17:26,240 Speaker 1: But I tried to say how much the statue weighed, 392 00:17:26,320 --> 00:17:29,840 Speaker 1: and it was like way off. I was like eleven 393 00:17:30,000 --> 00:17:32,880 Speaker 1: hundred tons or something like just completely wrong. 394 00:17:33,280 --> 00:17:35,200 Speaker 2: And I afterwards was like, oh my god. 395 00:17:35,400 --> 00:17:39,159 Speaker 1: One person on Twitter was like eleven hundred tons, like 396 00:17:39,400 --> 00:17:41,360 Speaker 1: pretty sure that's and I Google like, oh my god, 397 00:17:41,400 --> 00:17:43,880 Speaker 1: abs cletely wrong. I'm so embarrassed I made a huge 398 00:17:43,920 --> 00:17:46,720 Speaker 1: mistake on television. Ever, literally no one else mentioned it. 399 00:17:47,040 --> 00:17:48,800 Speaker 1: The boss has never mentioned it. Probably no one else 400 00:17:48,840 --> 00:17:50,600 Speaker 1: even heard it or paid attention or knows whether it 401 00:17:50,640 --> 00:17:53,080 Speaker 1: was eleven hundred tons. And I realized after that, like, 402 00:17:53,640 --> 00:17:56,879 Speaker 1: even if I make an actual mistake that is inarguably wrong, 403 00:17:57,119 --> 00:17:58,399 Speaker 1: it's not the end of the world. And then the 404 00:17:58,440 --> 00:18:00,159 Speaker 1: next time you go out there, you're like, if I 405 00:18:00,240 --> 00:18:02,040 Speaker 1: make a mistake, I've already done that and I lived 406 00:18:02,040 --> 00:18:03,679 Speaker 1: through it and I still have a job, and it's okay. 407 00:18:04,200 --> 00:18:06,840 Speaker 1: It doesn't make you any less intentional about perfection, but 408 00:18:06,880 --> 00:18:08,160 Speaker 1: it does make it a little less scary. 409 00:18:08,200 --> 00:18:09,760 Speaker 2: So I love that kind of like. 410 00:18:09,680 --> 00:18:11,840 Speaker 3: Derek, can I tell you one thing about that. The 411 00:18:11,880 --> 00:18:14,119 Speaker 3: most generous thing when I was going on air was 412 00:18:14,160 --> 00:18:16,600 Speaker 3: that a very well known Side nine reporter called me 413 00:18:16,720 --> 00:18:18,960 Speaker 3: right before I went on air just to check on me, 414 00:18:19,000 --> 00:18:20,760 Speaker 3: you know how. I was waing, like check on each other, 415 00:18:20,800 --> 00:18:21,520 Speaker 3: and she said, how you doing? 416 00:18:21,560 --> 00:18:22,440 Speaker 2: And I was like, not good. 417 00:18:22,560 --> 00:18:24,840 Speaker 3: I'm pretty sure I'm going to vomit on national television. 418 00:18:25,200 --> 00:18:27,439 Speaker 3: And she was so generous because she said, to me, 419 00:18:27,520 --> 00:18:29,879 Speaker 3: no matter what happens, it's not going to be as 420 00:18:29,920 --> 00:18:31,879 Speaker 3: bad as my first time on air, and I thought, 421 00:18:32,440 --> 00:18:33,680 Speaker 3: oh my god, what does that mean? 422 00:18:33,680 --> 00:18:34,280 Speaker 2: What did you do? 423 00:18:34,680 --> 00:18:38,359 Speaker 3: Basically for her? When they tossed down to her, she 424 00:18:38,520 --> 00:18:40,960 Speaker 3: was told, as we all are, you're the eyes and 425 00:18:41,000 --> 00:18:42,600 Speaker 3: the ears of the year. What would they not know 426 00:18:42,720 --> 00:18:46,920 Speaker 3: if you're on the fee? So she said, guys, I 427 00:18:46,960 --> 00:18:50,920 Speaker 3: know you're talking about Omar Jacobs as a possible Heisman contender, 428 00:18:50,960 --> 00:18:54,760 Speaker 3: but the fans down here disagree. They are chanting Heisman 429 00:18:54,960 --> 00:18:59,520 Speaker 3: my ass, you suck you suck Bob back to you. 430 00:19:00,119 --> 00:19:01,680 Speaker 2: That's not exactly what they were looking for. 431 00:19:02,080 --> 00:19:04,520 Speaker 3: I was dying because that took me right out of 432 00:19:04,520 --> 00:19:06,440 Speaker 3: my own head because I thought, you know what, you're right, 433 00:19:06,680 --> 00:19:09,480 Speaker 3: I'm not going to curse on live television. And if 434 00:19:09,480 --> 00:19:12,000 Speaker 3: she was still, yeah, he's really successful. So I thought 435 00:19:12,000 --> 00:19:13,720 Speaker 3: that was so generous of her to share that with me. 436 00:19:14,200 --> 00:19:16,119 Speaker 1: I had that issue of like, I wish I had 437 00:19:16,119 --> 00:19:18,639 Speaker 1: had someone giving me advice because I forgot that like 438 00:19:19,200 --> 00:19:21,440 Speaker 1: what I was seeing and hearing down there, of course, 439 00:19:21,560 --> 00:19:23,520 Speaker 1: wasn't what the fans at home were seeing and hearing. 440 00:19:23,800 --> 00:19:26,960 Speaker 1: They had announcers throughout calling everything. So the starting quarterback 441 00:19:26,960 --> 00:19:29,240 Speaker 1: got hurt, the backup went in. I knew his name. 442 00:19:29,640 --> 00:19:31,600 Speaker 1: But when the coach came out to go to the 443 00:19:31,640 --> 00:19:33,520 Speaker 1: half and I'm supposed to do the quick two questions, 444 00:19:33,960 --> 00:19:35,720 Speaker 1: I said, you know, blah blah blah, and how about 445 00:19:35,760 --> 00:19:38,240 Speaker 1: that backup stepping in? And afterwards they were like, you 446 00:19:38,240 --> 00:19:39,720 Speaker 1: didn't know his name? I was like, no, I just 447 00:19:39,760 --> 00:19:41,679 Speaker 1: wasn't sure if the audience would know him as well 448 00:19:41,720 --> 00:19:43,960 Speaker 1: as a backup, and I forgot that. Of course, they've 449 00:19:44,000 --> 00:19:46,439 Speaker 1: been saying his name ever since he came in. I 450 00:19:46,520 --> 00:19:47,960 Speaker 1: hadn't heard any of it. And I think that's the 451 00:19:47,960 --> 00:19:49,840 Speaker 1: other thing, is I wish I'd had them in my ears. 452 00:19:50,880 --> 00:19:54,320 Speaker 1: You should wait, didn't I didn't have anything in my ears, 453 00:19:54,920 --> 00:19:57,040 Speaker 1: so I didn't. I wasn't able to hear the call 454 00:19:57,080 --> 00:19:59,000 Speaker 1: of the game that the fans at home were hearing. 455 00:19:59,640 --> 00:20:01,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's horrible, Sarah. 456 00:20:01,160 --> 00:20:03,440 Speaker 3: That's horrible, because how can you add otherwise if you're 457 00:20:03,480 --> 00:20:04,720 Speaker 3: not like hey, like. 458 00:20:04,680 --> 00:20:06,800 Speaker 1: I said, it wasn't for me. Also, that job doesn't 459 00:20:06,800 --> 00:20:09,439 Speaker 1: allow enough opinion giving, and I'm full of opinions, so 460 00:20:09,480 --> 00:20:11,480 Speaker 1: I knew it wasn't for me from the beginning. 461 00:20:12,080 --> 00:20:12,439 Speaker 2: Exactly. 462 00:20:12,480 --> 00:20:15,960 Speaker 1: Mean, I do think I have such a producer me 463 00:20:16,080 --> 00:20:17,120 Speaker 1: shoes on with us. 464 00:20:17,440 --> 00:20:18,359 Speaker 2: We've talked about this. 465 00:20:18,720 --> 00:20:20,560 Speaker 1: Our fear of failure gets in the way of us 466 00:20:20,600 --> 00:20:22,520 Speaker 1: trying some things, and we need to learn how to 467 00:20:22,600 --> 00:20:26,520 Speaker 1: microdose failure, like intentionally put ourselves out there and do 468 00:20:26,640 --> 00:20:28,480 Speaker 1: things that we're going to suck at so that we 469 00:20:28,600 --> 00:20:31,400 Speaker 1: stop making it so precious, which is something that I do. 470 00:20:31,480 --> 00:20:33,600 Speaker 1: I struggle with being bad at things, so I just 471 00:20:33,640 --> 00:20:36,160 Speaker 1: stop trying things that I might suck at, which is bad. 472 00:20:36,680 --> 00:20:37,920 Speaker 2: Okay, so let's get tood. 473 00:20:38,400 --> 00:20:40,800 Speaker 3: I want you to fail as many times as possible 474 00:20:40,800 --> 00:20:44,240 Speaker 3: to desensitize yourself. I went out and sought out failure, 475 00:20:44,359 --> 00:20:46,440 Speaker 3: like applied for jobs that I didn't think I would 476 00:20:46,440 --> 00:20:49,480 Speaker 3: get because I wanted to desensitize myself. 477 00:20:50,000 --> 00:20:51,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure, fail failed. 478 00:20:52,680 --> 00:20:55,119 Speaker 1: Okay, let's talk about another thing that you that you 479 00:20:55,320 --> 00:20:58,920 Speaker 1: are sharing your wisdom about in this book, urgent versus important. 480 00:20:59,560 --> 00:21:01,880 Speaker 2: Urgent but important is how you get to your dreams. 481 00:21:01,960 --> 00:21:05,040 Speaker 3: Explain that, yeah, this is this is big because our 482 00:21:05,080 --> 00:21:07,960 Speaker 3: whole lives are urgent. Right answer the text, respond to 483 00:21:08,040 --> 00:21:10,520 Speaker 3: the email. You know, whatever it is everything we've been 484 00:21:10,560 --> 00:21:12,720 Speaker 3: sold this bill of goods that like, if it's urgent, 485 00:21:12,840 --> 00:21:15,560 Speaker 3: it must be important, but it's really not. Things that 486 00:21:15,600 --> 00:21:19,120 Speaker 3: are urgent are reactionary. Right, we're responding to a request 487 00:21:19,240 --> 00:21:22,680 Speaker 3: from someone else. They need something else. Things that are 488 00:21:22,720 --> 00:21:26,400 Speaker 3: important may not have that deadline, but they have consequences 489 00:21:26,440 --> 00:21:29,280 Speaker 3: because things that are important to us move us closer 490 00:21:29,280 --> 00:21:31,520 Speaker 3: to our values and vision and who we want to be. 491 00:21:32,160 --> 00:21:35,159 Speaker 3: So we have a tendency to say, I'll get to that. 492 00:21:35,280 --> 00:21:36,800 Speaker 3: Let me just take care all this stuff I do, 493 00:21:37,320 --> 00:21:40,000 Speaker 3: then I'll get to it. And of course the right 494 00:21:40,080 --> 00:21:44,119 Speaker 3: time never arrives, So I'd say you have to find time, 495 00:21:44,320 --> 00:21:47,960 Speaker 3: schedule throughout your day time to put everything else away 496 00:21:48,240 --> 00:21:50,480 Speaker 3: and work on what's important to you. 497 00:21:51,320 --> 00:21:55,159 Speaker 1: It's so true because if you don't take out the 498 00:21:55,200 --> 00:21:58,960 Speaker 1: garbage or some other little thing that feels like it 499 00:21:59,000 --> 00:22:03,400 Speaker 1: has a deadline because it's overflowing, right, you'll survive, yep. 500 00:22:03,520 --> 00:22:06,120 Speaker 1: But if you constantly put all those tasks ahead of 501 00:22:06,680 --> 00:22:08,760 Speaker 1: starting to write the book you've always wanted to and 502 00:22:08,800 --> 00:22:10,560 Speaker 1: then you keep putting it off forever, then you never 503 00:22:10,640 --> 00:22:12,800 Speaker 1: end up writing a book. But good job on that garbage, 504 00:22:12,800 --> 00:22:15,159 Speaker 1: over and over, right, Like, it's so easy also to 505 00:22:15,280 --> 00:22:18,679 Speaker 1: put off things that are overwhelming because they're important, and 506 00:22:18,720 --> 00:22:20,880 Speaker 1: instead focus on the things that are urgent because they're 507 00:22:20,880 --> 00:22:22,240 Speaker 1: not as scary it's like, I know I could take 508 00:22:22,280 --> 00:22:24,399 Speaker 1: care of this quickly, and it gives you an excuse 509 00:22:24,400 --> 00:22:26,520 Speaker 1: to not get to the stuff that really matters, that's 510 00:22:26,560 --> 00:22:27,640 Speaker 1: so important. 511 00:22:28,760 --> 00:22:29,600 Speaker 3: Checking off the list. 512 00:22:29,880 --> 00:22:33,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, daily micro habits. So outside of your nine to five, 513 00:22:33,760 --> 00:22:35,520 Speaker 1: the things that you're doing to help you lead a 514 00:22:35,520 --> 00:22:36,640 Speaker 1: more fulfilling life. 515 00:22:36,840 --> 00:22:39,160 Speaker 2: How did you come to decide what. 516 00:22:39,040 --> 00:22:41,800 Speaker 1: Those things should be and what your limited time should 517 00:22:41,840 --> 00:22:43,440 Speaker 1: be devoted to when you're not at work. 518 00:22:43,640 --> 00:22:46,800 Speaker 3: Well, time and money are twins in my opinion, you 519 00:22:46,800 --> 00:22:48,320 Speaker 3: have to know how much you have of each before 520 00:22:48,359 --> 00:22:51,120 Speaker 3: you can distribute it. So for me, that's a lot 521 00:22:51,160 --> 00:22:54,359 Speaker 3: about writing down exactly what I'm doing, then deciding the 522 00:22:54,400 --> 00:22:59,840 Speaker 3: things that I don't enjoy doing expense reports and deciding 523 00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:03,520 Speaker 3: I could trade money for energy, I could buy back 524 00:23:03,720 --> 00:23:07,040 Speaker 3: time by putting some of that money in and then 525 00:23:07,080 --> 00:23:10,000 Speaker 3: spend more time prospecting or getting better at play by 526 00:23:10,040 --> 00:23:13,159 Speaker 3: play or writing the book. And so for me, it 527 00:23:13,240 --> 00:23:16,359 Speaker 3: was about finding out what am I good at, what 528 00:23:16,440 --> 00:23:19,399 Speaker 3: do I enjoy and what's really dragging me down and 529 00:23:19,480 --> 00:23:21,679 Speaker 3: taking part of my day and it's not bringing me 530 00:23:21,800 --> 00:23:25,720 Speaker 3: any joy at all. And so the little micro habits 531 00:23:25,960 --> 00:23:28,439 Speaker 3: of figuring out where you can make those trades in 532 00:23:28,480 --> 00:23:30,919 Speaker 3: your life. Those are the little things that are going 533 00:23:30,960 --> 00:23:34,240 Speaker 3: to take somebody who doesn't enjoy their job into a 534 00:23:34,280 --> 00:23:36,840 Speaker 3: new arena finding what really lights them fire. 535 00:23:37,240 --> 00:23:38,840 Speaker 1: I have a friend who got a life coach after 536 00:23:38,960 --> 00:23:41,600 Speaker 1: she left her job of eighteen years. She was ready 537 00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:42,800 Speaker 1: to move on but didn't know what she wanted to 538 00:23:42,800 --> 00:23:46,280 Speaker 1: do yet, and they were doing the opportunity to take 539 00:23:47,080 --> 00:23:49,959 Speaker 1: a payment to leave, and she was ready to go. 540 00:23:50,359 --> 00:23:51,840 Speaker 2: So she met with a life coach to figure out 541 00:23:51,840 --> 00:23:52,840 Speaker 2: what she wanted to do next. 542 00:23:52,880 --> 00:23:55,200 Speaker 1: And the woman said, over the next week or two, 543 00:23:55,840 --> 00:23:58,760 Speaker 1: throughout your day, write down what mood you're in at 544 00:23:58,800 --> 00:24:01,160 Speaker 1: various times, set a little alone, and when it goes off, 545 00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:02,840 Speaker 1: say what mood am I in? And what am I doing? 546 00:24:03,320 --> 00:24:05,280 Speaker 1: And then start to see if there's patterns. What are 547 00:24:05,560 --> 00:24:07,760 Speaker 1: you around people whenever you say you're in a good 548 00:24:07,760 --> 00:24:10,119 Speaker 1: mood or are you alone? Are you working by yourself? 549 00:24:10,160 --> 00:24:13,040 Speaker 1: Are you collaborating? Are you in the car? Are you 550 00:24:13,080 --> 00:24:15,080 Speaker 1: at home? And find out all these patterns because a 551 00:24:15,080 --> 00:24:17,200 Speaker 1: lot of people don't even really recognize when they say 552 00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:19,199 Speaker 1: they hate a job and then you ask them for more. 553 00:24:19,240 --> 00:24:21,600 Speaker 1: So what I'm saying, oh, well, I do like working 554 00:24:21,640 --> 00:24:24,800 Speaker 1: with this person or doing this part, and then you say, Okay, 555 00:24:24,840 --> 00:24:27,000 Speaker 1: how do you pull those things out and then move 556 00:24:27,040 --> 00:24:28,760 Speaker 1: them forward into a new job, or at least find 557 00:24:28,800 --> 00:24:30,720 Speaker 1: a way to ask for more of what you like 558 00:24:30,800 --> 00:24:33,359 Speaker 1: and doing less of what you don't. We're much more 559 00:24:33,560 --> 00:24:35,960 Speaker 1: in control of those things than we really believe. Most 560 00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:37,399 Speaker 1: of the time, we've sort of chalked it up to 561 00:24:37,440 --> 00:24:39,719 Speaker 1: we're stuck, and there's a lot of mobility even if 562 00:24:39,720 --> 00:24:42,359 Speaker 1: you stay in the space that you're in. Okay, women 563 00:24:42,440 --> 00:24:45,800 Speaker 1: are often called audacious in a negative light, But how 564 00:24:45,800 --> 00:24:47,679 Speaker 1: do you take the who does she think she is? 565 00:24:48,440 --> 00:24:50,720 Speaker 1: And make it something that actually moves you forward when 566 00:24:50,720 --> 00:24:51,920 Speaker 1: people are judging us that way? 567 00:24:52,520 --> 00:24:55,679 Speaker 3: Well, first of all, the definition of audacity is a 568 00:24:55,680 --> 00:24:58,720 Speaker 3: willingness to take bold risks, So the fact that it 569 00:24:58,760 --> 00:25:02,480 Speaker 3: can be used as an insult is ridiculous. My sister 570 00:25:02,520 --> 00:25:05,080 Speaker 3: in laws from Argentina and it's not at all has 571 00:25:05,240 --> 00:25:09,520 Speaker 3: no negative connotation there. But somehow we've got the old 572 00:25:10,040 --> 00:25:14,200 Speaker 3: audacity to ask that question here. Part of it's reframing 573 00:25:14,280 --> 00:25:17,400 Speaker 3: it for ourselves. You know, Sarah, my father was the best. 574 00:25:17,760 --> 00:25:21,080 Speaker 3: When I was eleven. One time, one time he said 575 00:25:21,119 --> 00:25:23,200 Speaker 3: to me, Amory, I think you're getting a little bit cocky, 576 00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:26,240 Speaker 3: and it was like, oh, just a stab. It was 577 00:25:26,320 --> 00:25:29,440 Speaker 3: while I was writing this book decades and decades later 578 00:25:29,440 --> 00:25:32,720 Speaker 3: that I decided to look up the definition of cocky. 579 00:25:32,800 --> 00:25:36,000 Speaker 3: The definition of cocky is so sure of one's abilities 580 00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:41,320 Speaker 3: that it annoys other people. That is the actual definition. 581 00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:44,680 Speaker 3: And I thought, so sure of one's abilities, Hell, yeah, 582 00:25:44,680 --> 00:25:47,800 Speaker 3: I am that it annoys other people. Well, gee, that 583 00:25:47,880 --> 00:25:49,360 Speaker 3: sounds like other people's problems. 584 00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:51,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, deal with it, right, You. 585 00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:53,920 Speaker 1: Should get confident in your own abilities, Yes, exactly. 586 00:25:53,960 --> 00:25:56,359 Speaker 3: But once I realized that that set me free because 587 00:25:56,400 --> 00:26:01,600 Speaker 3: I'm not worrying about them. And City is a compliment, 588 00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:03,800 Speaker 3: and I take it as a compliment, and I give 589 00:26:03,840 --> 00:26:08,320 Speaker 3: it as a compliment. It's about reframing our ideas of what. 590 00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:09,560 Speaker 2: It means to be audacious. 591 00:26:09,880 --> 00:26:12,440 Speaker 1: I ask really powerful women this all the time, because 592 00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:16,320 Speaker 1: I think there's a choice to live in the world 593 00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:19,640 Speaker 1: you wish you were in, and then there's an acceptance 594 00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:21,800 Speaker 1: that the moves you make and the decisions you make 595 00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:23,879 Speaker 1: and the person that you are is still operating within 596 00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:25,520 Speaker 1: a system. You're not in a bubble of what you 597 00:26:25,560 --> 00:26:28,760 Speaker 1: wish existed. You're in the reality of life. So what 598 00:26:28,840 --> 00:26:32,480 Speaker 1: are some ways to be cocky and audacious and sure 599 00:26:32,520 --> 00:26:35,280 Speaker 1: of yourself and confidence in all of those positive qualities 600 00:26:35,560 --> 00:26:38,439 Speaker 1: while still operating in, for instance, in our world, the 601 00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:41,359 Speaker 1: male dominated industry, or maybe a space that isn't ready 602 00:26:41,359 --> 00:26:44,240 Speaker 1: to receive that so that you can thrive. Because it's 603 00:26:44,280 --> 00:26:46,280 Speaker 1: great to say all those things and be all those things, 604 00:26:46,359 --> 00:26:50,000 Speaker 1: but if ultimately it holds you back or prevents you 605 00:26:50,040 --> 00:26:52,120 Speaker 1: from success, it doesn't really serve you the same way 606 00:26:52,119 --> 00:26:52,680 Speaker 1: you wish it did. 607 00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:56,000 Speaker 3: I don't believe in being audacious just to swing for 608 00:26:56,080 --> 00:26:59,520 Speaker 3: the fences. Right. There's worth it risks, and there's reckless risks. 609 00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:02,760 Speaker 3: They changed throughout your life, so you have to really 610 00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:05,080 Speaker 3: look at it. When I was twenty six years old 611 00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:08,359 Speaker 3: and working at ESPN and Connecticut, I loved my job, 612 00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:12,159 Speaker 3: I hated the snow, and so I ended up asking 613 00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:13,640 Speaker 3: to be La Bureau producer. 614 00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:14,200 Speaker 2: They said no. 615 00:27:14,560 --> 00:27:17,960 Speaker 3: I quit write the dream job at ESPN, moved to La. 616 00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:22,560 Speaker 3: My intention was to have my days and nights be better. 617 00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:23,800 Speaker 3: I didn't move for more money. 618 00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:24,240 Speaker 2: I didn't. 619 00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:28,359 Speaker 3: My decision to do that audacious move was intrinsic. It 620 00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:31,240 Speaker 3: wasn't for anyone else. I ended up getting hired back 621 00:27:31,560 --> 00:27:35,440 Speaker 3: as La burea producer. But even if I hadn't, I 622 00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:37,479 Speaker 3: would have still survived. And that's the thing I always 623 00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:41,639 Speaker 3: ask people, examine your motivation for wanting to make an 624 00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:44,600 Speaker 3: audacious move, because if it is to have the revenge body, 625 00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:48,040 Speaker 3: to make somebody else notice you, to prove someone else wrong, 626 00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:50,240 Speaker 3: it's never going to work. I've never made a decision 627 00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:53,240 Speaker 3: for money for any kind of other accolades. If it 628 00:27:53,320 --> 00:27:56,960 Speaker 3: is for you to improve your life and those around you, 629 00:27:57,600 --> 00:28:00,000 Speaker 3: then is it worth it or is it reckless? 630 00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:03,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, my audacity has more often come in the form 631 00:28:03,560 --> 00:28:07,040 Speaker 1: of rejection than it has in the form of acceptance. 632 00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:10,199 Speaker 1: In the sense of Ever since I was maybe twenty 633 00:28:10,359 --> 00:28:13,119 Speaker 1: seven making not a lot of money, but had my 634 00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:15,600 Speaker 1: first job in the sports world doing updates for a 635 00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:18,960 Speaker 1: local radio show, every opportunity that I was offered I 636 00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:21,520 Speaker 1: filtered it through will this make me happy every day? 637 00:28:22,560 --> 00:28:24,320 Speaker 1: Or will this make me more money and more fame? 638 00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:28,760 Speaker 1: And that resulted in turning down some big shows, hosting 639 00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:31,720 Speaker 1: a show with Regis Philbin on Fox, hosting Get Up 640 00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:34,240 Speaker 1: on ESPN. I didn't want to move to New York. 641 00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:36,760 Speaker 1: I didn't want to wake up it four in the morning. 642 00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:39,000 Speaker 1: I didn't want to do a certain kind of job 643 00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:41,920 Speaker 1: or a certain type of show. There's just a lot 644 00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:45,000 Speaker 1: of stuff I've rejected because I knew that in the 645 00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:48,000 Speaker 1: industry it would be good for me for money and fame, 646 00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:50,320 Speaker 1: but in my every day I would not be happy, 647 00:28:50,560 --> 00:28:54,120 Speaker 1: and that wasn't something I was willing to sacrifice. Now, 648 00:28:54,240 --> 00:28:55,720 Speaker 1: maybe if I'd said yes and done it for a 649 00:28:55,800 --> 00:28:57,680 Speaker 1: year would have opened up another door that would have 650 00:28:57,680 --> 00:29:00,280 Speaker 1: made me extremely happy. But I don't really do the 651 00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:02,560 Speaker 1: sliding doors thing. I don't really do the what ifs 652 00:29:03,280 --> 00:29:05,680 Speaker 1: because it serves me not at all. There is absolutely 653 00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:07,760 Speaker 1: nothing to be gained from going down a path of 654 00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:09,560 Speaker 1: what would have happened if I'd chosen this. I made 655 00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:11,840 Speaker 1: this choice, and now it's looking ahead to what can 656 00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:13,240 Speaker 1: I make out of what I've done and what I'm 657 00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:16,160 Speaker 1: doing now. And it feels like those so many lessons 658 00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:19,520 Speaker 1: and messages in your book are that kind of how 659 00:29:19,560 --> 00:29:23,400 Speaker 1: do you reframe something and look at it or think 660 00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:25,320 Speaker 1: about it differently than either what you've been told or 661 00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:27,400 Speaker 1: what you've always done. And I've been doing a lot 662 00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:29,480 Speaker 1: of research for the book that I just wrote that's. 663 00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:31,360 Speaker 2: Coming out in June. Everyone can pre order it. 664 00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:35,480 Speaker 1: Runs in the Family Sarah Spain, June third, But about 665 00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:38,800 Speaker 1: emotional DNA, which is the language that our family uses 666 00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:41,600 Speaker 1: that becomes ingrained in us as a reality instead of 667 00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:44,480 Speaker 1: a statement of opinion, and if it's repeated enough times, 668 00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:45,800 Speaker 1: we just buy it. 669 00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:48,120 Speaker 2: Right. So, like, let's say your dad had always said. 670 00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:50,760 Speaker 1: To you you're too cocky, you're too confident, and had 671 00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:53,600 Speaker 1: said it repeatedly, and you internalize that, and then you 672 00:29:53,840 --> 00:29:56,720 Speaker 1: moved through life with an opinion about how you should behave. 673 00:29:57,080 --> 00:30:01,200 Speaker 1: That's so common, especially for so many women, and so 674 00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:03,360 Speaker 1: being able to reframe the things we've always heard and 675 00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:07,040 Speaker 1: internalized and decide whether they serve us anymore is the magic. 676 00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:08,880 Speaker 1: It's the magic of life. And I feel like this 677 00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:11,120 Speaker 1: book is probably doing a whole lot of that. 678 00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:14,640 Speaker 3: You know, Sarah, It's what I call your front row, right, 679 00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:18,160 Speaker 3: I mean, who are you listening to in your history? 680 00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:20,120 Speaker 3: You have to dive into it, but your front row 681 00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:23,200 Speaker 3: should be really small. And they're people that you've invited 682 00:30:23,560 --> 00:30:26,080 Speaker 3: who are going to push you forward, you know, lift 683 00:30:26,120 --> 00:30:28,880 Speaker 3: you up. It's probably not your mom, and it's probably 684 00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:31,160 Speaker 3: not your best friend because they want you to be safe. 685 00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:34,280 Speaker 3: And so I say, get a front row who's doing 686 00:30:34,320 --> 00:30:38,320 Speaker 3: their own badassory somewhere, and who are going to give 687 00:30:38,360 --> 00:30:42,080 Speaker 3: you the honest truth? Not somebody who wants to keep 688 00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:45,520 Speaker 3: you safe, because for me, that's where the juice is 689 00:30:45,520 --> 00:30:48,040 Speaker 3: is in is in the move and how did the 690 00:30:48,080 --> 00:30:50,600 Speaker 3: move turn out? And you know, no, is not a 691 00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:52,360 Speaker 3: period at the end of the sentence. For me, it 692 00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:55,680 Speaker 3: is not yet or next. You know, it's just redirection 693 00:30:55,800 --> 00:30:56,920 Speaker 3: in that in that's case. 694 00:30:57,200 --> 00:31:00,920 Speaker 1: So the front row isn't the people you put in 695 00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:02,920 Speaker 1: front of you and our closest to It's if you're 696 00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:04,920 Speaker 1: on a stage and they're sitting up front and they're 697 00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:07,560 Speaker 1: going to give you an accurate read on what you're 698 00:31:07,560 --> 00:31:08,479 Speaker 1: doing and how you're doing it. 699 00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:10,040 Speaker 2: That's how you're picturing the front row. 700 00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:14,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's really not necessarily your best ease at all. 701 00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:16,920 Speaker 3: It's people you trust to tell you the truth. They 702 00:31:16,920 --> 00:31:20,040 Speaker 3: don't have to be in your same area of focus or. 703 00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:20,720 Speaker 2: Anything like that. 704 00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:25,480 Speaker 3: They just have to be somebody that you trust to say. Look, Sarah, 705 00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:29,120 Speaker 3: you're feeding into your own fears. Nobody actually said that 706 00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:32,440 Speaker 3: to you. It's something that you're telling yourself. Let's dig 707 00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:35,520 Speaker 3: in to why you're believing your inner critic in this moment. 708 00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:39,040 Speaker 1: Though, or even the opposite, which is, hey, you're fantastic 709 00:31:39,040 --> 00:31:42,080 Speaker 1: at this, but this needs another rewrite. Yes, you know, 710 00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:43,680 Speaker 1: the opposite two of like, hey, I'm going to be 711 00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:44,880 Speaker 1: honest with you because you know I love you and 712 00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:45,280 Speaker 1: respect you. 713 00:31:45,320 --> 00:31:46,080 Speaker 2: This isn't quite it. 714 00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:47,000 Speaker 3: You know. 715 00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:49,240 Speaker 1: The research actually tells us that if we want to 716 00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:52,440 Speaker 1: embark in a significant behavior change or set a major 717 00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:54,840 Speaker 1: goal for ourselves, the number. 718 00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:57,360 Speaker 2: One thing to do is to seek someone that. 719 00:31:57,320 --> 00:31:59,800 Speaker 1: You respect and that you consider to be slightly above 720 00:31:59,840 --> 00:32:02,640 Speaker 1: you and tell them about it, because you're more likely 721 00:32:02,800 --> 00:32:05,400 Speaker 1: to actually want to follow up on the goal to 722 00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:07,840 Speaker 1: actually pursue the thing that you said you want to do. 723 00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:09,960 Speaker 1: If you feel like somebody that has a little bit 724 00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:12,480 Speaker 1: higher status than you might check back in and see. 725 00:32:12,600 --> 00:32:14,480 Speaker 1: If it's a friend, if it's a mom, you know 726 00:32:14,520 --> 00:32:16,040 Speaker 1: that they'll take it easy on you. All. You never 727 00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:17,960 Speaker 1: actually ran that marathon, but that was cute that you 728 00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:20,920 Speaker 1: thought you might. Meanwhile, you have this inner feeling of 729 00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:24,000 Speaker 1: wanting to prove something to or show off to this 730 00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:26,560 Speaker 1: person with higher status, and you're more likely to actually 731 00:32:26,560 --> 00:32:28,520 Speaker 1: finish it if you tell them about it and check 732 00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:31,280 Speaker 1: in with them, Which is to your point that front 733 00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:32,800 Speaker 1: Row has got to have a little bit of a 734 00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:35,720 Speaker 1: little bit of spice to it, right. 735 00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:37,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, And it might be a little audacious for you 736 00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:39,920 Speaker 3: to reach out to somebody you don't know who's ahead 737 00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:42,240 Speaker 3: of you, but the fact is we've all been there, 738 00:32:42,320 --> 00:32:45,600 Speaker 3: so most of the time that person will help because 739 00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:47,440 Speaker 3: somebody helped them along the way. 740 00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:49,320 Speaker 2: Absolutely that's the case. 741 00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:51,280 Speaker 1: Well, it feels like this book's going to help a 742 00:32:51,280 --> 00:32:52,959 Speaker 1: lot of people, and you might be getting some calls, 743 00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:56,080 Speaker 1: and Marie, from folks maybe me too, who are reading 744 00:32:56,080 --> 00:32:58,040 Speaker 1: this book and saying, Okay, wait, I need more on this, 745 00:32:58,120 --> 00:33:01,240 Speaker 1: Tell me more about this, help me with this cultivating audacity, 746 00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:03,320 Speaker 1: dismantled doubt and let yourself when you were just on 747 00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:05,800 Speaker 1: GMA talking to your pal Robin Roberts about it. I 748 00:33:05,800 --> 00:33:07,600 Speaker 1: hope the rest of the publicity goes great. Thanks so 749 00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:10,240 Speaker 1: much for hopping on chatting with us. Thank you, Sarah, 750 00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:14,920 Speaker 1: I had a great time talking. Thanks again to Anne 751 00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:17,000 Speaker 1: Marie for joining us. We have to take another break 752 00:33:17,040 --> 00:33:19,840 Speaker 1: when we come back. A salad that changes my brain 753 00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:21,600 Speaker 1: chemistry every time I eat it. 754 00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:33,000 Speaker 2: Welcome back Slices. 755 00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:34,560 Speaker 1: We love that you're listening, but we want you to 756 00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:36,560 Speaker 1: get in the game every day too. So here's our 757 00:33:36,560 --> 00:33:39,280 Speaker 1: good game play of the day. 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