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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to Coast to Coast George Norri with you

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Speaker 2: two special guests tonight, retired police officers. Let me introduce

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Speaker 2: both their names, then we'll go to them. Marianne rob

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Speaker 2: is a retired police officer with thirty four years of

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Speaker 2: experience in Arizona law enforcement. Her career included roles as

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Speaker 2: a patrol officer, a detective specializing in arson, property crimes,

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Speaker 2: in arcontics, and as a crime prevention officer. Our second guest,

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Speaker 2: David Rich, who will be on with her, is a

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Speaker 2: retired police officer with twenty five years of service in

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Speaker 2: Arizona law enforcement. During his career, he worked in various

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Speaker 2: roles including patrol, gang investigation, homicide, sex crimes, and narcotics.

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Speaker 2: In addition to his law enforcement background, he has been

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Speaker 2: active in UFO investigations as a field investigator for the

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Speaker 2: Mutual UFO Network. Move on the Arizona Chapter. Mari Anne,

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Speaker 2: welcome to the program.

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Speaker 3: Well, thank you, George, it's great to be here.

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Speaker 2: Looking forward and David you as well.

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Speaker 4: Thank you, it's awesome to be here.

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Speaker 2: How did you both get involved in the strange and unusual.

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Speaker 3: Well, I'll start with that one.

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Speaker 5: About three years ago, I went to a move on

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Speaker 5: meeting mutual UFO meeting here in Phoenix, and there was

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Speaker 5: about the military starting to come forward and pilots.

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Speaker 3: But the thing is, after I left that meeting, I'm like, why.

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Speaker 5: Aren't law enforcement officers and first responders talking about this

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Speaker 5: kind of stuff. So Wenday, I was at my house

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Speaker 5: speaking with Alejandro Rojas, who's a good friend of ours

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Speaker 5: with Enigma Labs and Open Minds, and I was talking

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Speaker 5: to him about that and he goes, you know, what,

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Speaker 5: you're a cop, I guarantee officers would open up to you.

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Speaker 3: And I went, that's an excellent idea.

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Speaker 5: You know, we can reach out to other law enforcement officers.

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Speaker 5: So I called Dave and I was telling him about

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Speaker 5: what the meeting was about and what Alejandro and I

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Speaker 5: police officers aren't talking about this phenomenon. I mean, there's

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Speaker 5: over eight hundred thousand law enforcement officers in this country alone,

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Speaker 5: and they're working twenty four to seven. You know, they're

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Speaker 5: seeing something, but why aren't they talking? So when I

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Speaker 5: asked Dave about that, he goes, well, I'll tell you

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Speaker 5: exactly why they're not talking. And then he proceeded to

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Speaker 5: tell me about what happened to him in twenty and seventeen.

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Speaker 3: And at this point, to let him.

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Speaker 5: Tell you what happened and why uappd got it start?

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Speaker 2: Okay, I'd love to hear it. What happened David?

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Speaker 4: All right?

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Speaker 6: So back in April of twenty seventeen, I was working

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Speaker 6: saying that she was scared. Patrol officers get dispatched to

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Speaker 6: So the entire time that they were driving there, there

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Speaker 6: So he tells me this. At that time, at that moment,

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Speaker 6: So I do a full investigation from the perspective of

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Speaker 6: We have it analyzed. Long story short, I do an

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Speaker 6: could somebody have done like computer generated voice something like that.

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Speaker 6: And remember at this time in twenty seventeen, you really

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Speaker 4: So we do the full investigation.

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Speaker 6: I have somebody from muf on actually analyze the audio

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Speaker 6: And he returns with the audio and he tells me, hey,

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Speaker 6: He's like, it doesn't even sound like a human voice.

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Speaker 6: And he says, it says I scare. So the way

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Speaker 6: Sounds like the voice says I'm scared. Nine one one

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Speaker 2: Probably the chief that makes the call, right.

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Speaker 4: Well, this was a sergeant.

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Speaker 6: So he calls me into the room, sits me down.

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Speaker 6: And he basically fled out, told me that I was

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Speaker 6: I'm like, how would I make this up? And why

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Speaker 6: So basically I stormed out of the office basically with

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Speaker 6: I basically walked around wondering, is this is the day

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Speaker 4: But being the thorough.

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Speaker 6: Investigator that I am, I held onto everything. So I

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Speaker 6: still have the security footage, I still have the audio.

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Speaker 6: But when Marianne called me up and was like, Hey,

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Speaker 6: of came up with the idea of, you know, it

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Speaker 6: safe environment where they can talk about what it is.

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Speaker 6: Maybe we can help them get to the bottom of it,

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Speaker 6: or at least just negotiate the traumas involved.

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Speaker 7: And I know you're gonna want them after hearing this,

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Speaker 7: this is an amazing story.

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Speaker 1: We've got Stephen and Malachi Gregory in Nelson, New Zealand.

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Speaker 7: I understand that Malachi, who's eight almost nine years old now,

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Speaker 7: was suffering with not just one or two warts, but

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Speaker 7: I mean a significant outbreak of warts all over his body,

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Speaker 7: so significant it impacted his ability to really function.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, he was having trouble even holding a pencil to right.

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Speaker 8: It was Tye's book actually that got me thinking about it.

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Speaker 1: I'm not surprised. It is an amazing immuno modulator, and

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Speaker 1: so I can see that it would work.

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Speaker 7: And so at what point did you see that there

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Speaker 7: was actually improvement it's really going to work.

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Speaker 8: Well, we really started to notice it around twelve weeks.

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Speaker 8: You can see these things actually getting smaller and smaller

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Speaker 8: The whole things are gone, and we're talking about what's

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Speaker 8: you know one that size of the wanner.

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Speaker 8: Way, that's gonna Wow. That's just been miraculous to see

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Speaker 8: him get into a pair of shoes.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, yes, how wonderful.

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Speaker 3: That's great to see.

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Speaker 1: I'm so happy and.

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Speaker 7: Yes, untident, absolutely wonderful.

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Speaker 2: Now, Marianne, how did you get involved in this?

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Speaker 5: Well, actually just going to that meeting. Personally, I have

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Speaker 5: The way I got into even Moofon was my late

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Speaker 2: Mary Anne tell us about the UAPDSHPD dot com website.

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Speaker 5: Well, now, uap PD it stands for Unidentified Anomalist Phenomenon

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Speaker 5: Well, we really haven't gotten a whole lot. We've been

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