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Speaker 2: Hey, everybody, Welcome to the Buck Sexton Show. The one
Speaker 2: and only Joe Borelli is with us. He is the
Speaker 2: Republican leader of the New York City Council. He is
Speaker 2: the Sage of Staten Island. A man who knows many
Speaker 2: things about many things. Mister Barelli, always an honor of
Speaker 2: privilege and a pleasure.
Speaker 1: How you doing, I'm doing good. It is great to
Speaker 1: see you. Great. You look healthy, Buck, As they.
Speaker 2: Say, yeah, you know, I'm trying. I'm a Florida man now,
Speaker 2: and I will say the weather is nice. It makes
Speaker 2: you soft, although you have to be really fit here,
Speaker 2: so it makes you soft, like to temperature wise. But
Speaker 2: then again, you know, I probably should like stop eating
Speaker 2: carbs entirely if I want to fit in with the
Speaker 2: Miami set here. But tell me this, I actually want
Speaker 2: to dive into how are things going in good old
Speaker 2: NYC these days? Like what what's the latest with the
Speaker 2: mayor Adams? How would you grade him at this point?
Speaker 2: How's it all going?
Speaker 1: Well? I'd give him a pretty low grade. But the
Speaker 1: irony is that if he were to lose in two
Speaker 1: years from today to twenty twenty five is the next
Speaker 1: mayoral election. If he were to lose, it would only
Speaker 1: be to someone attacking him from the left, and that
Speaker 1: would be even worse than the current situation we have now.
Speaker 2: How is that even possible? Like, what does it take
Speaker 2: for people in New York City to figure out that
Speaker 2: having homeless people defecating on the streets and stabbing people
Speaker 2: with you know, whatever they have at hand, and rising
Speaker 2: crime and all this stuff, and the subways being unsafe
Speaker 2: and people getting pushed in front of trains, what does
Speaker 2: it take for the Libs to be less crazy? In
Speaker 2: my hometown and your hometown? How does this happen.
Speaker 1: They don't get less crazy, if any thing, They just
Speaker 1: get more entrenched in their bizarre world. And you see
Speaker 1: that mostly in Manhattan. You see this less frequently in
Speaker 1: the outer boroughs, where regular assault of the earth New
Speaker 1: Yorkers live. That I'm talking about Black New Yorkers, Hispanic
Speaker 1: New Yorkers, Jewish people, Russian people. They're all starting to shift.
Speaker 1: But the epicenter of the problem is Manhattan. And I'll
Speaker 1: give you a great example. I mean, Alvin Bragg is
Speaker 1: the epitome of moronic district attorney Soros Fund the district attorneys,
Speaker 1: and he is being cheered on right now or indicting
Speaker 1: a police officer yesterday. So this cop was basically involved
Speaker 1: in a situation in a Manhattan Apple store in twenty
Speaker 1: twenty one. Alvin Bragg investigated this for two years, two years,
Speaker 1: and just brought an indictment against the cop for punching
Speaker 1: someone as he was trying to escort this person outside
Speaker 1: of the apple store who was harassing people in the
Speaker 1: store and threatening to kill everyone. That's the one we
Speaker 1: live in. So even though we see you know, Deoderant
Speaker 1: locked up in in cages in Dwayne Reid, the elected
Speaker 1: leaders who are actually in charge of prosecuting these people
Speaker 1: are completely on this side of the criminals.
Speaker 2: What is what justificates an excessive force from the police officer.
Speaker 2: That's why he's bringing the indictment.
Speaker 1: A third degree misdemeanor, the lowest charge possible you can
Speaker 1: bring to basically get the cop fired, which is just
Speaker 1: again two years of an investigation, not of the person
Speaker 1: who has been a serial burglar and arrested numerous times
Speaker 1: for a host of crimes. And by the way, the
Speaker 1: Apple security guard just had a great story in the
Speaker 1: Post today basically saying, I saw the whole thing. The
Speaker 1: DA's office didn't even ask me, and I'm the damned
Speaker 1: security guard and the cop did nothing wrong. And this
Speaker 1: is sort of, you know, the example du jour of
Speaker 1: the backwardsness of the majority of New York City.
Speaker 2: Why is this? Why is Alvin Bragg? Why is DA
Speaker 2: Alvin Bragg pro criminal? Because that's really what it seems like.
Speaker 2: He thinks his job is to use the hower he
Speaker 2: has to the greatest possible benefit of the criminal class
Speaker 2: in New York City.
Speaker 1: Why Yeah, I mean, I think the best thing we
Speaker 1: could say about him, and the most favorable thing I
Speaker 1: can come up with, is that he was honest in
Speaker 1: telling us this is exactly who he is. And that's
Speaker 1: why this is such a problem, because the voters picked this.
Speaker 1: The voters didn't get you know, they didn't get Option B.
Speaker 1: And then suddenly, behind door number two, some woke liberal
Speaker 1: came out. They got a guy who said, I am
Speaker 1: going to make sure the fewest number of people get
Speaker 1: put in jail. I am going to make sure the
Speaker 1: absolute fewest number possible people who are convicted of a
Speaker 1: crime or plead to a crime get put in a
Speaker 1: New York City jail. And he's doing that. His Day
Speaker 1: one memo basically said, here are the crimes we are
Speaker 1: no longer going to prosecute for now. Downstream two years,
Speaker 1: we're suddenly surprised again that you know, if you want
Speaker 1: to get lipstick, it's locked up in a cage somewhere
Speaker 1: in your local supermarket, or that stores are closing and
Speaker 1: bodega owners are getting charged criminally, cops are getting charge criminally,
Speaker 1: but not the regular people were regularly committing these crimes.
Speaker 2: It's just remarkable to me. I would I would have
Speaker 2: thought years ago, given what New York City went through,
Speaker 2: Joe in the nineties, you were there, right, you were
Speaker 2: in Stane out right, Yeah, given the crime rate which
Speaker 2: was truly just heinous for people's day to day lives
Speaker 2: all over the Five boroughs, and then the turnaround during
Speaker 2: the Giuliani era, and just how much better it was
Speaker 2: for everybody once the city got cleaned up. And it's
Speaker 2: not that complicated, it's literally cleaned up like the streets,
Speaker 2: but also enforced the laws. How do we get to
Speaker 2: this place where New York, which was the case study
Speaker 2: of how to fix it all, decided to unfix it.
Speaker 2: You know what is that?
Speaker 1: So this is by no means blaming the pandemic, because
Speaker 1: a lot of big cities in the country did not
Speaker 1: go through a similar thing. But the pandemic as the
Speaker 1: catalyst of acceleration for some of these problems. Absolutely happened
Speaker 1: because you even had and you got to remember, Buck,
Speaker 1: you lived here during this time. You lived during the
Speaker 1: first term of the de Blasio administration. That was a
Speaker 1: pretty good time for New York Mayor Bloomberg, who I
Speaker 1: disagreed with on twenty different things a year at least
Speaker 1: kept the basic services and functionality of the city under
Speaker 1: good management, and he should be commended for that. Then
Speaker 1: you had the pandemic hit, and you had sort of
Speaker 1: the acceleration of seeing all the woke policies that were
Speaker 1: put into place, like bail reform and all sorts of
Speaker 1: criminal justice reform were actually playing out in quick time
Speaker 1: because people got arrested, people felt like they can get
Speaker 1: away with things, and sort of the narrative arc of
Speaker 1: crime went so quickly. Now other cities in even blue
Speaker 1: cities in red states, those came, you know, parabolic, the
Speaker 1: crime went up, and the crime went down. In New York,
Speaker 1: we're just starting to see the crime going down, largely
Speaker 1: because of the NYPD. The NYPD is making more red
Speaker 1: I mean low and behold right, what we always said,
Speaker 1: if we have more aggressive policing in a lower crime
Speaker 1: that is actually happening. The crime level is down, But
Speaker 1: on the prosecution side and on the keeping people behind bars,
Speaker 1: I mean, this is just not happening. Build a Blasio
Speaker 1: in his last year, did a press conference touting the
Speaker 1: fact that we had the lowest jail population on Rikers
Speaker 1: Island since World War Two. If the crime rate was
Speaker 1: the same as it was in nineteen forty five, the
Speaker 1: number of violent felonies were the same as it was
Speaker 1: in nineteen forty five, we would be patting Build A
Speaker 1: Blasio on the back saying, hey, heck of with a job, buddy.
Speaker 1: But it wasn't. The crime was actually going up by then.
Speaker 1: Just the number of people who are criminals that were
Speaker 1: segregated from us through the criminal justice system was at
Speaker 1: its lowest point since nineteen forty five.
Speaker 2: So this is important. I feel like everyone should know
Speaker 2: that in some of these places like New York where
Speaker 2: the Democrats or Democrat left is calling the shots and
Speaker 2: you got the Soros back. Prosecutors ess actially not the police,
Speaker 2: that are really the weak point. Necessarily, it's often not
Speaker 2: the police at all. It's the prosecutorial arm of the
Speaker 2: local government.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: It's the decision what to charge and how long to
Speaker 2: hold them in prison for the crimes they've committed. I
Speaker 2: want to come back though, and talking about the economic
Speaker 2: side of things, the Mayor Adams said that New York
Speaker 2: is full when it comes to illegal migrants. That's so
Speaker 2: strange because I thought we're a nation of illegal migrants
Speaker 2: now and we're supposed to think that they make everything better.
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Speaker 2: York City is going to just take in all the
Speaker 2: huddled masses of abroad and right to give me. You're tired,
Speaker 2: you're poor, You're the thing on the poem, the Lazarus
Speaker 2: poem on the Statue of Liberty. That's what they always
Speaker 2: tell us about all the need for open borders. But
Speaker 2: now Adams is saying, all full too many illegals. What's
Speaker 2: going on?
Speaker 1: Yeah, it turns out poems don't pay the bills. So
Speaker 1: what I believe happened? And from my conversations, both with
Speaker 1: people in the Adams administration and just sort of my
Speaker 1: own observation is that he was more than willing to
Speaker 1: sort of carry the Democrats water be the post of
Speaker 1: boy of sanctuary cities. And when the projections were going
Speaker 1: to be that it was going to be five thousand people,
Speaker 1: ten thousand people, you know, So that effect on our
Speaker 1: budget is like a fart in a breezy day. It
Speaker 1: wasn't going to have any impact. But now that we've
Speaker 1: had almost one hundred thousand people come through our system
Speaker 1: and over fifty thousand people in our shelters nightly in
Speaker 1: addition to our regular homeless shelter population. Mind you, this
Speaker 1: is fifty thousand migrant homeless population. Now the dollar amount
Speaker 1: is simply unsustainable. Not only is the dollar amount unsustainable,
Speaker 1: but the Adams Administration can't actually find enough rooms to
Speaker 1: put people. Know, they can't basically put tent cities wherever
Speaker 1: they want. There's no hotels that are any long and
Speaker 1: willing to lease space, and they're coming up on basically
Speaker 1: a hard stop of where they can put people. They're
Speaker 1: actually renting hotels outside of the city limits in counties
Speaker 1: on the island and in the Hudson Valley. But the
Speaker 1: number is insane. The number in our last budget that
Speaker 1: was unaccounted for, meaning it was migrant money that was
Speaker 1: not budgeted prior to the start of the fiscal year,
Speaker 1: was about one point eight billion dollars. So, to give
Speaker 1: the listeners a comparable, one point eight billion dollars is
Speaker 1: more more than we spend on the fd and Y.
Speaker 1: FD and Y has ten thousand firefighters, five thousand EMPs,
Speaker 1: three hundreds firehouses, five thousand ambulances, twenty four hour rotations,
Speaker 1: people watching the city all day long, and yet the
Speaker 1: migrant crisis is actually costing more money than the largest
Speaker 1: fire department and EMS system in the country. It's simply bonkers.
Speaker 1: And now add them to the stuff between a rock
Speaker 1: and a hard place, where they've they've resorted to actually
Speaker 1: putting flyers out. I don't know if you've seen this book.
Speaker 1: They're actually putting flyers out that they're sending to Texas
Speaker 1: and having people hand them out at the basically the
Speaker 1: centers that process people when they come across the border,
Speaker 1: telling them that New York's really expensive and there might
Speaker 1: not be a place for them to live. So that's
Speaker 1: how far We've come from let me be the poster
Speaker 1: boy for sanctuary city policies to now he's attacking the
Speaker 1: Biden administration rightfully, by the way, for not paying for
Speaker 1: this problem that has caused one hundred percent by the
Speaker 1: federal government's failure. We're just on the hook on being
Speaker 1: the world's refugee camp because of our own dopey politicians
Speaker 1: who decided to have not just the sanctuary city law,
Speaker 1: but a right to shelter law ingrained at our state constitution,
Speaker 1: which guarantees any person, which person is now defined as
Speaker 1: a migrant, unlimited resources should they need them.
Speaker 2: It's unbelievable.
Speaker 1: I mean, just give me the right choice by leaving Buck,
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna lie.
Speaker 2: I Well, you know, I see now where do all
Speaker 2: my tax dollars go? Recently I saw not only do
Speaker 2: you got the one point eight billion going for illegals,
Speaker 2: but there's this judgment that Deblasio set up this fund
Speaker 2: right for teachers that failed the test who are black
Speaker 2: and Hispanic, who failed this teacher certification exam. They're getting
Speaker 2: a million dollars, some of them two million dollars, paying
Speaker 2: them for an entire career of work that they never did,
Speaker 2: They went off and did other jobs. But now after
Speaker 2: twenty years they get the full back pay for all
Speaker 2: twenty years and benefits because they failed the test of
Speaker 2: basic reading and teaching skills. Like, that's where my tax
Speaker 2: dollars are going as a New Yorker, or where they
Speaker 2: would be going. Rather, that's where yours are going, Joe, Yeah.
Speaker 1: Or the thirteen million they just settled with on BLM
Speaker 1: protesters after George Floyd. So if you were arrested during
Speaker 1: the protest and perhaps roughed up in the ensuing scuffle,
Speaker 1: or maybe you were held two hours too long, they
Speaker 1: settled about thirteen million dollars with a whole bunch of
Speaker 1: defendants who felt they were wrongly arrested and wrongly detained.
Speaker 1: I mean, this is this is the kind of city
Speaker 1: we live in where where it just it is unsustainable.
Speaker 1: The New Yorker, which I'm sure you don't read it
Speaker 1: because I don't really read it that often, but they
Speaker 1: came out with a really good article yesterday about the
Speaker 1: crisis involving New York real estate, both commercial and residential.
Speaker 1: And we are at the precipice of a fiscal cliff.
Speaker 1: And you know, I've been hyperbolic about this in the past,
Speaker 1: and maybe too much though, but now we really are
Speaker 1: up against a very very very hard situation where banks
Speaker 1: may have to default on lenders. Uh and and UH business.
Speaker 1: I'm rather building owners no longer have the ability to
Speaker 1: go to local banks to get refinancing, and some of
Speaker 1: the largest buildings in New York City. This is this
Speaker 1: is actually a catastrophic event for New York that could
Speaker 1: be happening.
Speaker 2: How far off is that from becoming a reality at
Speaker 2: this point? Like, is this expected to happen in a
Speaker 2: matter of of you know, weeks, months, years?
Speaker 1: I would say within a year or two. I mean,
Speaker 1: you'll start seeing some of the regional banks and lenders
Speaker 1: who finance some of these smaller properties. You'll see it
Speaker 1: affected in their stock market price and some of the
Speaker 1: issues in the market on them. Then you'll see some
Speaker 1: of these and and a Blackstone a company just handed
Speaker 1: back the keys of their building because they couldn't refinance.
Speaker 1: I mean, so you're you're starting to see the cracks
Speaker 1: in the dam. The dam hasn't cracked completely yet, the
Speaker 1: water isn't flowing, but we're at the point now where
Speaker 1: you're starting to see major buildings get defaulted on, or
Speaker 1: just the older the owners handing back the keys to
Speaker 1: the lending institutions.
Speaker 2: I want to come back and ask you, Joe, if
Speaker 2: I made you the King of New York, which arguably
Speaker 2: you are, But if I made you the king of
Speaker 2: New York and you had to fix the place, and
Speaker 2: you could just do whatever you needed to do to
Speaker 2: fix it, to make it the greatest city in America,
Speaker 2: which I think, at least for a period of my
Speaker 2: life I lived in, which I do believe it was
Speaker 2: for a while the greatest city in America. I want
Speaker 2: to ask you how you'd fix it, given that you
Speaker 2: work in the city council. You know, the budgetary issues,
Speaker 2: the police and law enforcement issues, the sanitation you know.
Speaker 2: I just want you to give me your quick version
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Speaker 2: Uh Joe, how do you fix? You're the King of
Speaker 2: New York for a year. How do you fix the city?
Speaker 1: Well? It's interesting. It essentially would have been the zeldn plan.
Speaker 1: You know, I was very close to when still am
Speaker 1: with Lee Zelden, and we ran a pretty good campaign
Speaker 1: where he almost actually won and became governor. His plan
Speaker 1: started with public safety, and so would mine. I mean
Speaker 1: public safety is paramount to getting people back into their offices.
Speaker 1: By the way, people are not not going to offices
Speaker 1: in Manhattan because they don't want you. It's partially because
Speaker 1: they don't feel safe. So the first thing we have
Speaker 1: to do is repeal cashless bail. We have to repeal
Speaker 1: most of the criminal justice provisions that were voted on
Speaker 1: over the last ten years that said we have to
Speaker 1: make real estate valuable in New York City. Again, we
Speaker 1: have to make sure the industry is solid, and you
Speaker 1: do that by giving, you know, old fashioned tax breaks.
Speaker 1: The governor and the legislature couldn't come up with a
Speaker 1: great agreement this year to extend some of the tax
Speaker 1: abatements that a lot of these developers needed to continue
Speaker 1: building the skyscrapers and apartment buildings that New York Is need.
Speaker 1: So it's an interesting catch twenty two where on the
Speaker 1: finance side we have to spur some growth, we also
Speaker 1: need to lower our business taxes. I mean, right now
Speaker 1: we're losing companies. Forget the people that'll leave it right
Speaker 1: I might leave because the weather's nice, but JP Morgan
Speaker 1: just went to the Dallas Metro because of the tax
Speaker 1: structure and the business climate of Texas, So we'd have
Speaker 1: to reform that as well, if we could do that,
Speaker 1: and I think we do. I really do think New
Speaker 1: New York is poised for the pendulum to start swinging back.
Speaker 1: I just don't know if it's going to happen in
Speaker 1: my say, political lifetime, but I bet you by the
Speaker 1: time I have grandkids, New York will be in full
Speaker 1: swing again. It took you mentioned the nineteen nineties before. Remember,
Speaker 1: crime was really bad in the late seventies, early eighties,
Speaker 1: and it took about, you know, five or six years
Speaker 1: for things to really level off going into ninety nine,
Speaker 1: two thousand, two thousand and one.
Speaker 2: What are the biggest areas of the city budget in
Speaker 2: New York that you're just like, what the heck are
Speaker 2: we doing?
Speaker 1: Yeah? I mean I would have to say the Department
Speaker 1: of Education, I mean our Department of Education. And my
Speaker 1: wife's a teacher, and God blessed the work, and some
Speaker 1: of them do. But we spend more per child than
Speaker 1: any other system by far. And I don't mean like
Speaker 1: we spend ten percent more five percent. We spend about
Speaker 1: triple what say the private school systems here in New
Speaker 1: York spend on average the Catholic schools, for example, educated
Speaker 1: kids for about seven or eight thousand a year. In
Speaker 1: elementary school we're up to twenty seven, twenty eight, twenty
Speaker 1: nine thousand dollars per year, So that is the biggest
Speaker 1: vacuum of city spending. A lot of it has to
Speaker 1: do with the age of some of our school buildings.
Speaker 1: We have, you know, twelve hundred school buildings in New
Speaker 1: York City. A lot of them are are one hundred
Speaker 1: years old. So there is going to be some capital
Speaker 1: needs for keeping the system itself going. But this cost
Speaker 1: per spending is probably astronomical. And then you can look
Speaker 1: at any agency. I mean, the NYPD spends more money
Speaker 1: than North Korea, but would I wouldn't say we should
Speaker 1: cut that. So even though New York is so big,
Speaker 1: we have to approach cuts with a scalpel. And by
Speaker 1: the way, you know, the budget growth of one percent
Speaker 1: two percent a year is falling in a city like
Speaker 1: New York that for the last twenty years was able
Speaker 1: to meet that with regular old growth. We haven't really
Speaker 1: raised taxes. Taxes are high, we haven't raised them. It's
Speaker 1: only recently with this migrant crisis and sort of the
Speaker 1: out of control pension and liability, pension and healthcare spending
Speaker 1: that that we've been put in this fiscal problem.
Speaker 2: I want to ask you to tell me a little
Speaker 2: bit of Staten Island history to close us out here
Speaker 2: in a second, mister Joe Burdh, because Joe, oh, my god,
Speaker 2: has written a book on the history of the great
Speaker 2: island known as the Staten My understanding was that Stton
Speaker 2: Aims were the British like to hang out when they
Speaker 2: were trying to crush George Washington and the Patriots.
Speaker 1: Oh sure, as heck I mean, so I'll give you
Speaker 1: two fun facts about State is Ale history. And by
Speaker 1: the way, I wrote one book, but my publisher made
Speaker 1: it two books, so you can go on Amazon and
Speaker 1: buy and I get a buck of books. So hopefully
Speaker 1: the audience buys a couple but so fun fact about
Speaker 1: the American Revolution. If people like the show Turn it
Speaker 1: was on AMC. It was a great show about the
Speaker 1: American Revolution and the spy network. That spy network really
Speaker 1: happened on Staten Island, and one of the main characters
Speaker 1: was Lieutenant Simcoe. He was the sort of the evil
Speaker 1: antagonist of the show. If you're on the eleventh tee
Speaker 1: at Latarette Golf Course, it's a very high elevated tea
Speaker 1: on top of a hill. You're actually teeing off on
Speaker 1: top of a redoubt that was construction constructed by the
Speaker 1: British in seventeen seventy seven, So it's a one hundred
Speaker 1: year old burm that you're basically playing off your tea.
Speaker 1: And if you're playing at Silver Lake Golf Course on
Speaker 1: the eighteenth fairway, you're actually trampling over the graves of
Speaker 1: ten thousand Irish and German people who were killed by typhoid,
Speaker 1: fever and scurvy and god knows what else they brought
Speaker 1: with them over as they came across the ocean to
Speaker 1: come to New York. So macabre history for New York City, goth.
Speaker 2: What's the name of the book or the books?
Speaker 1: So revolutionary Staten Island is the first one, and then
Speaker 1: Staten Island the nineteenth century is the second one. The
Speaker 1: first one's better. It's you got more gore, more killing,
Speaker 1: stuff like that.
Speaker 2: Very good, mister Joe Borelli, Sage of Staten Island. Great
Speaker 2: to have you on, sir, Thanks so much.
Speaker 1: Thank you. Book