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Speaker 1: The Around the League Podcast could be the greatest of

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Speaker 1: all time. According to Roger Welcome back to another edition

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Speaker 1: of the Around the League Podcast. I am sitting in

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Speaker 1: a room almost devoid of hero. There's one hero here.

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Speaker 1: His name is Chris Westling. What's happening? Chris? Hey? Greg?

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Speaker 1: That doesn't really add up to now, It's just all

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Speaker 1: isn't the same? The gold standard is here behind the

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Speaker 1: shore and he lost his hipster beard, his hair cut.

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Speaker 1: He looks about six years younger. Yeah, I either went

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Speaker 1: corporate or I went in kindergarten. I'm not sure which.

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Speaker 1: But fear not. Our boys Dan Handas and Mark Sessler

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Speaker 1: are in New York at the Draft getting ready. They're

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Speaker 1: gonna be talking to prospects this week. They're going to

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Speaker 1: be at the Draft, and we're gonna get them on

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Speaker 1: the line in justice. Second, I feel like we have

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Speaker 1: to get him online almost right away after the the

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Speaker 1: the lack of a manly conversation we were just having

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Speaker 1: before we started out British literature. I feel like we

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Speaker 1: should be talking more about Wesleyan's T shirt. It's a

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Speaker 1: hucka Poose T shirt. We should get a picture. This

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Speaker 1: is a collector's item. It's a softball uniform shirt. The

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Speaker 1: slogan is what is it? Huck a Poos, Bites and booze.

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Speaker 1: That's fantastic. I am looking forward to our hucka Poos

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Speaker 1: show coming up in the year two thousand and eighteen,

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Speaker 1: when we're all making a lot of money and we

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Speaker 1: the boys on the line, Zack and get right to

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Speaker 1: the news. There's a lot to get to today. We're

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Speaker 1: gonna talk to Matt money Smith coming up. Who's gonna

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Speaker 1: help preview the Draft. This is our last show before

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Speaker 1: the big Day or the big three days. I guess

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Speaker 1: we can call it now. We'll be back on Thursday

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Speaker 1: night to cover the first round of the Draft, so

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Speaker 1: this will be our last preview show. We'll have Matt

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Speaker 1: money Smith on later. We'll talk about some gms that

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Speaker 1: phone and do some news. Dan and Mark are you there? Hello,

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Speaker 1: we're here. We're in New York City. What up? Bus? Wow,

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Speaker 1: you're in the Park Avenue offices. Do you do you

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Speaker 1: Hold on, Dan, by the way shows up it looking

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Speaker 1: a nice purplish sweater. Over to the next winter. And

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Speaker 1: Mark looks like a substitute chemistry teacher, not tenured at all.

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Speaker 1: You have a suit though, on right, Mark, so you're

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Speaker 1: coming with it. It's not even it's mismatches brown Dockers

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Speaker 1: Bush administration, and then an old gray Uh. I mean

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Speaker 1: it's not a great I always instructed by Dan that

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Speaker 1: We're excited to be wearing short sleeve shirts. Chris is

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Speaker 1: this is Mark's first trip to the what I call

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Speaker 1: There's so many rumors to talk about with him. It's

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Speaker 1: There are some real draft day parallels here, Storry, Kevin

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Speaker 1: got there, Sonny Weaver junior parallels. I know I bring

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Speaker 1: Broiler alert, everything's in play, Brian, Brian Hoyer has nothing

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Speaker 1: interesting that Albert Brier tweeted that Cleveland wasn't the only

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Speaker 1: And we've talked to our draft guys about this dynamic

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Speaker 1: a similar setup that the staff really isn't into taking

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Speaker 1: how what what good does it do for them to

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Speaker 1: Oh oh, By the way, they had this secret meeting.

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Speaker 1: It was just Johnny and the guys. And oh, Jeff

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Speaker 1: It doesn't make sense. If they really wanted Johnny Manzel

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Speaker 1: which has been something Daniel Jeremiah talked about. Oh, but

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Speaker 1: the owner might come in and drop a bomb on this.

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Speaker 1: It's like all of this is potentially action to get

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Speaker 1: someone to trade up. That's fair. Well. Greg invented the

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Speaker 1: smoke screen. This is like Princess Brian the poison This

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Speaker 1: is like the Poison Test and the Princess Bride. He's

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Speaker 1: got people out thinking themselves on the smoke screen. For

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Speaker 1: number one. The other thing, Greg, I know this is

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Speaker 1: a break. It's Johnny Manzel Draft week. We'll stick with

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Speaker 1: the quarterbacks, all right. See me, I'm running my finger

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Speaker 1: the college players. Of course, he hosts our NFL dot

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Speaker 1: You're gonna be with what Matt Millan with Matt Millan,

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Speaker 1: give us some analysis on the draft. Also our twenty

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Speaker 1: The most important? Yeah? Yeah, that's right. Yeah, that's which

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Speaker 1: I enjoy doing, thoroughly enjoy doing. I've said this before,

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Speaker 1: and I don't want to get too far off checking.

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Speaker 1: responses from it. There's just something about having a nice, quick, funny,

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Speaker 1: it always makes me happy. And then after that, I

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Speaker 1: feel like the show usually goes slightly downhill. Well, I

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Speaker 1: will say the the Around the League podcast is certainly

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Speaker 1: the most learned podcast of all of our podcasts. I

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Speaker 1: do believe that to be true. And I think you all,

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Speaker 1: you know, took heed in your journalism or whatever classes

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Speaker 1: you may have taken in college. You always start with

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Speaker 1: an anecdote, you know, and that's essentially what that intro is.

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Speaker 1: It's a quick anecdote. It's clever, it doesn't have to

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Speaker 1: life experiences that will give me anecdotes. See, there you go.

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Speaker 1: It works up perfectly. Life experience is more important. Well,

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Speaker 1: he's got the pipes, Matt money Smith, but he's also

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Speaker 1: got the knowledge. And you've been following these players, uh,

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Speaker 1: throughout the last you know, the last four years, in

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Speaker 1: the Pack twelve and everywhere you've you've watched them all

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Speaker 1: around the league. You did an interesting segment on Mock

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Speaker 1: Draft Weekly, another show that you host on NFL Network,

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Speaker 1: and you asked DJ, Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks to

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Speaker 1: pick their Red Star players, and it's a really interesting idea.

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Speaker 1: Daniel Jeremiah explained basically the night before the draft when

464
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Speaker 1: he was with the Ravens. They each get to pick

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Speaker 1: one player as a scout that's their Red Star player,

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Speaker 1: and it's essentially the guy that they believe in, and

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Speaker 1: it could be a first round pick, or it could

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Speaker 1: And so I thought maybe we'd go around the room

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Speaker 1: and throughout some red Stars. Yeah, why not? All right?

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Speaker 1: Why don't Why don't I know you've watched a lot

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Speaker 1: of tape this weekend, West, So why why don't we

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Speaker 1: start with you. I'm sort of cramming for the draft

476
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Speaker 1: since we don't watch much college. I am in no

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Speaker 1: way an expert. Uh. One guy that I kind of

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Speaker 1: want to ask, why why isn't this guy thought of

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Speaker 1: as a top ten pick? To me? He looks like

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Speaker 1: the fastest linebacker since ur Locker, and he looks like

481
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Speaker 1: he might be one of those guys that has a

482
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Speaker 1: chance to be a perennial All Pro Ryan Shay's here. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: he's he's great, and he can move him. You can

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Speaker 1: move him around. You can have him as a pass rusher,

485
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Speaker 1: as a linebacker, and there's a million things you can do.

486
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Speaker 1: And I think ultimately you'll see him go. He'll go

487
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Speaker 1: in the first round. Why isn't he a top ten

488
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Speaker 1: It's a good question. I mean I think you always

489
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Speaker 1: look typically it kind of defensive lineman a little bit

490
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Speaker 1: more and like I said, he's big enough where you

491
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Speaker 1: could start getting him into that conversation. Um, I think

492
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Speaker 1: I had him in my last mock going to Green

493
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Speaker 1: Bay just seemed like a nice natural. They're based on

494
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Speaker 1: what they want to do, which is get after the passer.

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Speaker 1: It's kind of what they've been searching for these last

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Speaker 1: couple of drafts. So I think your eyeballs are right

497
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Speaker 1: and and ultimately you'll see it. Remember when when this

498
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Speaker 1: whole process started, who knows how long ago, you know,

499
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Speaker 1: he wasn't even mentioned as a first round pick. People

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Speaker 1: had him kind of on that borderline mid second. So

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Speaker 1: he is a riser. Um, And you're right, you know,

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Speaker 1: uber athletic, Like you said, fast sideline to sideline or

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Speaker 1: lack arres. But also the size. I mean, that's the

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Speaker 1: big difference. He's so big, I mean just freakishly big,

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Speaker 1: which is why ultimately I think you know, you'll you'll

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Speaker 1: probably see him in that that eighteen to like twenty

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Speaker 1: four range, and that's probably about right. You know, normally

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Speaker 1: they go lines first. Obviously, quarterbacks play a role. There's

509
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Speaker 1: so much just ridiculous skill at the wide receiver position

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Speaker 1: this year, and it's become a passing league. I think

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Speaker 1: that's why you're talking about somebody like Shazier getting pushed

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Speaker 1: down the board a little bit more than maybe he

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Speaker 1: deserves to. To what mock draft version was that four

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Speaker 1: point six point how many? How many they have a

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Speaker 1: you doing? I think it was three point oh a.

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Speaker 1: I think it was like I had to update two

517
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Speaker 1: or three picks. Yeah, I think I'm on number four

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Speaker 1: right now. And it's funny too because the way are

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Speaker 1: this is what's great our mock drafts at NFL dot Com.

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Speaker 1: They post him, but then they post him in order

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Speaker 1: so our boss, Andy Fenel, and the way it works

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Speaker 1: is he asked for the mock draft, you put it

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Speaker 1: up and when you click on NFL dot com slash

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Speaker 1: mock drafts. You know you'll see Daniel and Bucky and Charles,

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Speaker 1: and that's you know, they deserve to be there, those

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Speaker 1: three guys. But that But then that fourth slot, that

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Speaker 1: fourth slots, the one that moves, you know, and when

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Speaker 1: you get in there, you're like, hey, there we go there.

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Speaker 1: And then the next day it's like, wait a minute,

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Speaker 1: I just fitted chasing good bread. What is this? And

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Speaker 1: you've only there for like one day and then you

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Speaker 1: that was just finished the day before that. I will

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Speaker 1: not have that. We need to put money on the

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Speaker 1: air more. I mean, if any executives are listening, then

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Speaker 1: none of this aggression will not stand. Yeah, these slights

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Speaker 1: of throwing him over to the fourth spot. You knows

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Speaker 1: this stuff. Well, let's let's have you put on your

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Speaker 1: analysts capital. Let's give us a red start. You said, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: here's this is kind of always my my apology, the

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Speaker 1: pretext for my red stars. I do have a bias.

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Speaker 1: I freely admit it. There's something And you heard guys

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Speaker 1: say this about the Pro day. Is everybody's just crapping

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Speaker 1: all over Pro Days? What am I supposed to learn

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Speaker 1: what the pro day. There's something about seeing a player live.

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Speaker 1: I can't explain what it is that they just looks different,

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Speaker 1: they look faster or slower. They throw the ball, you

548
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Speaker 1: can see a ball come out of their hands. And

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Speaker 1: there have been a few players that have really just

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Speaker 1: blown me down in person, and certainly the leaders is

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Speaker 1: Andrew Luck That was one of those the first time.

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Speaker 1: And I called a ton of his games at Stanford,

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Speaker 1: probably twelve to fifteen, and that that was one that

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Speaker 1: jumped out of mean. Keenan Allen was another one that

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Speaker 1: just immediately You're like, this wide receivers better than everything.

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Speaker 1: Choosing guys that were in contention for Rookie of the

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Speaker 1: Year exactly what I'm going to was their They're packed

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Speaker 1: twelve guys and there so I see a lot of them.

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Speaker 1: And and the one that I can't figure out is

560
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Speaker 1: Austin's of Arrian Jenkins, like that's the guy to me

561
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Speaker 1: when when I started, when I did a couple of

562
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Speaker 1: his games to two years ago, he just looked different.

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Speaker 1: It's like this guy looks like Gronk in college. He's

564
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Speaker 1: that big, he's that physical, but he's that fast. He

565
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Speaker 1: has great hands. He runs like a receiver, but he

566
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Speaker 1: is a huge, huge human being to have that amount

567
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Speaker 1: of athleticism in his body. Now they're off the field concerns.

568
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Speaker 1: He was suspended for a game. Um, he did not

569
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Speaker 1: have a good two thousand thirteen. So so that would

570
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Speaker 1: be one that when when I when I see Eric

571
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Speaker 1: Ebron and I and I know he's great and again

572
00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:37,040
Speaker 1: a physical specimen. You know. The knock on Ebron is

573
00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:39,840
Speaker 1: he doesn't want to block. He has zero interest in blocking.

574
00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:42,440
Speaker 1: I mean, he truly is just a receiver that happens

575
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Speaker 1: to be big enough to play tight end and will

576
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Speaker 1: streak through the middle of that field. Maybe you could

577
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Speaker 1: teach that. I mean, I think it's you know what's

578
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Speaker 1: in your It's not it's nasty. You know, you gotta

579
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Speaker 1: chip that guy or hook him on the end. You

580
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Speaker 1: gotta want to do that. It sort of makes the

581
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Speaker 1: comparisons to Vernon Davis useless for Ibron. Yeah, because Vernon

582
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Speaker 1: Davis is a great block. He is and Erry William

583
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Speaker 1: block And I think that's just physical when you like,

584
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Speaker 1: you know, when we were at the combine and you

585
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Speaker 1: were there, you guys were there, you saw it when

586
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Speaker 1: you stood next to him, You're like, jeez, this guy

587
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Speaker 1: to run that fast and to be that fluid and

588
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Speaker 1: to be that big. So you know, when you think

589
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Speaker 1: about Ebron being slotted in at nine for most of

590
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Speaker 1: these mock drafts to the Bills and Safarian Jenkins is

591
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Speaker 1: being listed in the mid second round, that one considering

592
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Speaker 1: how important that position has become, you know how how

593
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Speaker 1: it can really you know, just having the middle of

594
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Speaker 1: the field and if a team doesn't have a good

595
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Speaker 1: safety or an athletic linebacker, you can just dominate from

596
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Speaker 1: that position. That that would probably be my my one

597
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Speaker 1: red Star, even though there are some some concerns about

598
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Speaker 1: off the field behavior. So basically I should be rooting

599
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Speaker 1: for Patriots sitting there at the end of the first round,

600
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Speaker 1: needing the tight end, you know, Safarian Jake. It's funny.

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Speaker 1: We were talking about this uh on our on our

602
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Speaker 1: College Football podcast podcast yesterday and um DJ made a

603
00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:55,720
Speaker 1: good point. He said, you know, the funny thing about

604
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Speaker 1: the Patriots is they always sig when everyone' zag zag

605
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Speaker 1: when they zig. And there are some really talented running

606
00:31:01,280 --> 00:31:05,200
Speaker 1: backs in this draft, really taln Jeremy Hill, Carlos Hide, another,

607
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Speaker 1: if I had two red Stars gave me too as

608
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Speaker 1: you and packed twelve bias canean carry Coneen Carrey is

609
00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:16,040
Speaker 1: he is just a ridiculously good all around running back,

610
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Speaker 1: great yards after contact, elusive in space, hits the whole

611
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Speaker 1: super quick, and for some reason, again because the running

612
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Speaker 1: back position, I don't know, it's being devalued. This was

613
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Speaker 1: a guy that was I'd say it at one point

614
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Speaker 1: in the season leading the Heisman conversation. And he's being

615
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Speaker 1: talked of as a third or a fourth round pick.

616
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Speaker 1: So that's another one. But I go back to what

617
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Speaker 1: DJ was saying, and that's that, you know, you think

618
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Speaker 1: about the Patriots and they have solid play along their line,

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Speaker 1: wouldn't it be you know, just apropos for them to

620
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Speaker 1: take Carlos Hide and say, really, this guy failed to

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Speaker 1: us at the back end of the first round of

622
00:31:48,320 --> 00:31:50,840
Speaker 1: better prospect than Eddie Lacey saw the impact he had

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Speaker 1: for the Green Bay Packers and the fact that they

624
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Speaker 1: could get away with just a bell cow twelve yards

625
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Speaker 1: style running back, better better prospect than Eddie Lacey. People

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00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:02,840
Speaker 1: are real excited about Carlos Hide. Yeah, yeah, or I

627
00:32:02,840 --> 00:32:05,240
Speaker 1: guess if you just go back. I don't know if

628
00:32:05,280 --> 00:32:07,920
Speaker 1: I should say better prospect than Eddie Lacey. But Eddie

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Speaker 1: was you know, they just dropped and the like, yeah,

630
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Speaker 1: it looks great, but I mean, do we really want

631
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Speaker 1: to take him in the first round? It was, you know,

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Speaker 1: the way I described it on the podcast was just

633
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Speaker 1: a giant geame of chicken, as all these all these

634
00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:20,840
Speaker 1: franchises are like, wait, we've decided to devalue the running back.

635
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Speaker 1: We don't take him in the first round anymore. Well

636
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Speaker 1: that I don't get that. And you're right about the

637
00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:27,720
Speaker 1: Patriots zigging when people's egg and they are impossible to

638
00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:30,400
Speaker 1: predict what they're gonna do in the draft, Logan Mankins

639
00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:32,480
Speaker 1: was ring. I was like, who is that guy and

640
00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:35,320
Speaker 1: the running back position? If you look back at two

641
00:32:35,320 --> 00:32:39,200
Speaker 1: of the best values at any position in last year's draft,

642
00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:41,400
Speaker 1: and I'm not talking about late round guys like Zach Stacy,

643
00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:45,720
Speaker 1: but early guys Giovanni Bernard and Eddie Lacey. If the

644
00:32:45,800 --> 00:32:49,120
Speaker 1: draft was happening again, the Bengals would happily take Giovanni

645
00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:51,040
Speaker 1: Bernard in the first round. A lot of people would

646
00:32:51,080 --> 00:32:52,920
Speaker 1: take Giovanni Bernard in the first round. Same thing with

647
00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:55,520
Speaker 1: Eddie Lazy. That's why, Look, I'm not a scout. I

648
00:32:55,560 --> 00:32:58,400
Speaker 1: haven't watched as much. I was choosing Bishop Sanky as

649
00:32:58,440 --> 00:33:01,440
Speaker 1: as my player, if all, because the things being said

650
00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:03,760
Speaker 1: about him seemed to be said year after a year

651
00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:06,400
Speaker 1: about guys that turn out to be good values. He's

652
00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:09,560
Speaker 1: not big enough, he's two pounds, he's great. He's again,

653
00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:11,720
Speaker 1: that's not big enough for a running back in the NFL.

654
00:33:11,800 --> 00:33:13,640
Speaker 1: There's plenty of good running backs, and you don't need

655
00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:16,320
Speaker 1: a guy that has five carries a game anyways. That's

656
00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:18,240
Speaker 1: plenty big for a running back in the NFL. Yeah,

657
00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:20,240
Speaker 1: I mean, and and if you just take Sanky and

658
00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:24,000
Speaker 1: and his again athleticism, elusiveness, he's He's an all around back,

659
00:33:24,080 --> 00:33:26,440
Speaker 1: no question about it. Played in an up tempo offense.

660
00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:28,840
Speaker 1: This last year's Stark really dialed it up. I mean,

661
00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:31,600
Speaker 1: he was doing he was trying to push ninety plays

662
00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:34,120
Speaker 1: and he had zero issue with that. So now you

663
00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:36,400
Speaker 1: talk about somebody that has the wherewithal to take a

664
00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:39,440
Speaker 1: pounding comeback carry time and time again in this up

665
00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:41,880
Speaker 1: tempo offense. And that's the It's funny that that that's

666
00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:43,920
Speaker 1: kind of the misnomer of of some of these the

667
00:33:44,120 --> 00:33:47,920
Speaker 1: speed slash tempo based offenses that they don't run. Oregans

668
00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:49,920
Speaker 1: a running offense, and they want to run more than

669
00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:51,800
Speaker 1: they want to throw. Same thing with Washington, you know,

670
00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:55,000
Speaker 1: with Prices at quarterback, they wanted to run more than

671
00:33:55,040 --> 00:33:56,200
Speaker 1: they wanted to throw and a lot of that was

672
00:33:56,200 --> 00:33:58,720
Speaker 1: on Sanky and they had a successful season by all accounts,

673
00:33:58,760 --> 00:34:01,160
Speaker 1: and that's prepping them for the NFL. All we were

674
00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:04,160
Speaker 1: talking about last year is the up tempo offenses. And

675
00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:06,960
Speaker 1: there's different kinds of players in the NFL. Now, space

676
00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:11,279
Speaker 1: players basically, I don't even know if they're position a Tavon, Austin, Giovanni,

677
00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:14,960
Speaker 1: Bernard Randall, Cobb, all these guys are underdrafted and they're

678
00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:17,239
Speaker 1: all space players, Guys that you basically just try to

679
00:34:17,239 --> 00:34:20,160
Speaker 1: get the ball in space too. Sanky sounds like he

680
00:34:20,200 --> 00:34:22,480
Speaker 1: can do it all if you ask him to, but

681
00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:24,279
Speaker 1: he can also do that. They can get him the

682
00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:26,880
Speaker 1: ball in space, and it just seems like the type

683
00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:29,279
Speaker 1: of player that year after year, we're gonna take some

684
00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:31,480
Speaker 1: guy that may or may not be a halfway decent

685
00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:34,319
Speaker 1: pass rusher in the top ten, but this guy who's

686
00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:37,000
Speaker 1: gonna provide consistent value might go to the second round. Yeah,

687
00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:38,799
Speaker 1: And I think you know, with the reason why those

688
00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:41,160
Speaker 1: guys keep getting taken in the top ten is if

689
00:34:41,200 --> 00:34:43,359
Speaker 1: you have one man, does it help you? I mean,

690
00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:45,840
Speaker 1: it helps you something big. And that's that's why defensive

691
00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:48,920
Speaker 1: ends and left tackles and quarterbacks are always gonna I

692
00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:51,720
Speaker 1: don't want to say overdrafted, but teams are so desperate

693
00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:53,759
Speaker 1: to get those guys. I mean, you're going deep here. Well,

694
00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:57,600
Speaker 1: first of all, you shouldn't apologize for being uh biased

695
00:34:57,640 --> 00:34:59,760
Speaker 1: towards it packed twelve. That's like they're like the areas

696
00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:04,720
Speaker 1: s out Like you were at a spring game this weekend.

697
00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:07,759
Speaker 1: Was this past let's see, not this past Saturday, but

698
00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:10,840
Speaker 1: the saturday prior. I was up in Spokane at historic

699
00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:14,840
Speaker 1: Joe LB Stadium, uh to watch the Washington State Cougar.

700
00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:18,560
Speaker 1: Well to call the Washington State Cougar spring game. Yeah,

701
00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:21,480
Speaker 1: I know, it's uh yeah it was, you know what.

702
00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:23,839
Speaker 1: Good on Mike Leach for actually making a game of it.

703
00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:26,200
Speaker 1: In the first half, they stopped the clock. I mean

704
00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:28,839
Speaker 1: a guy got his clock cleaned by a safety, so

705
00:35:29,080 --> 00:35:31,040
Speaker 1: they actually hit they had pads on. It was a

706
00:35:31,080 --> 00:35:32,880
Speaker 1: little bit different than some of the other spring games

707
00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:35,560
Speaker 1: that were just sort of glorified practices. So at least

708
00:35:35,600 --> 00:35:37,839
Speaker 1: we got a half of football in and yeah, I'm

709
00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:40,200
Speaker 1: still uh and by the way, just to come full

710
00:35:40,239 --> 00:35:41,960
Speaker 1: so well it's not even coming full circle. We're still

711
00:35:41,960 --> 00:35:45,920
Speaker 1: probably in turn one. But Washington State safety Don Buchanan again,

712
00:35:46,120 --> 00:35:48,600
Speaker 1: more of more of my and you're right, it's not bias.

713
00:35:48,640 --> 00:35:51,160
Speaker 1: It's just guys that I've seen play on a field

714
00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:54,319
Speaker 1: in person. Don Buchanan, I don't some of these things

715
00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:56,320
Speaker 1: I don't get. I'm like you, guys, I'm not a scout.

716
00:35:56,480 --> 00:35:59,120
Speaker 1: I just kind of convey what I see and what

717
00:35:59,239 --> 00:36:02,440
Speaker 1: analysts that I'm doing the game with tell me and

718
00:36:02,440 --> 00:36:05,920
Speaker 1: and convey to our viewers. Dion Buchanan, I don't know

719
00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:09,040
Speaker 1: why there's this giant gap between him and Calvin Pryor.

720
00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:12,360
Speaker 1: You want to watch like a guy wreck shop. I

721
00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:16,520
Speaker 1: mean just terrifying opponent wide receivers just with their heads

722
00:36:16,520 --> 00:36:19,160
Speaker 1: on swivels and alligator arms when they're playing in Washington State.

723
00:36:19,520 --> 00:36:21,520
Speaker 1: That's the guy you lead the team and tackle six

724
00:36:21,560 --> 00:36:25,359
Speaker 1: interceptions um and and really brings the lumber. I mean,

725
00:36:25,640 --> 00:36:27,759
Speaker 1: you talk about getting excited about a safety coming to

726
00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:31,920
Speaker 1: your team. That's the guy there. There's always a gap between.

727
00:36:32,600 --> 00:36:34,840
Speaker 1: I think you probably know it better watching the college

728
00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:38,239
Speaker 1: guys that that there's a big gap between guys who

729
00:36:38,239 --> 00:36:41,319
Speaker 1: are great in college and then but the NFL just

730
00:36:41,400 --> 00:36:43,799
Speaker 1: doesn't appreciate them or doesn't want them at all. I mean,

731
00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:45,520
Speaker 1: is he one of those guys that you think stands

732
00:36:45,560 --> 00:36:47,920
Speaker 1: out in your head? That's like, why why doesn't the

733
00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:50,360
Speaker 1: NFL like this guy? Yeah, it's it's they. You know,

734
00:36:50,440 --> 00:36:52,160
Speaker 1: you talked about it with Sanky. They try to come

735
00:36:52,280 --> 00:36:55,359
Speaker 1: up with, you know, I guess excuses or they they're

736
00:36:55,400 --> 00:36:58,320
Speaker 1: more interested in writing down what's wrong with the player

737
00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:00,160
Speaker 1: than what's right. And if you have too many things

738
00:37:00,200 --> 00:37:02,640
Speaker 1: that they think are wrong, you ignore all the things

739
00:37:02,680 --> 00:37:06,120
Speaker 1: that are right. So certainly that that comes into play.

740
00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:08,640
Speaker 1: Why why is he being dinged? He's a little reckless.

741
00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:11,319
Speaker 1: You know, he can over pursue at times, but you know,

742
00:37:11,360 --> 00:37:13,280
Speaker 1: and that was the knock on Taylor Maze. It's okay,

743
00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:16,480
Speaker 1: this guy's just just a seeking missile and he doesn't

744
00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:19,520
Speaker 1: exactly he doesn't quite understand space and coverage. But that's

745
00:37:19,520 --> 00:37:21,920
Speaker 1: not d m. I just had six interceptions, lead the

746
00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:24,479
Speaker 1: team in tackles. But again, he can also blow the player.

747
00:37:24,520 --> 00:37:28,040
Speaker 1: But that's probably the concern is discipline, and he took

748
00:37:28,080 --> 00:37:31,320
Speaker 1: a few flags that probably unwarranted and in some close games.

749
00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:34,200
Speaker 1: So you know, I think that's probably what you're trying

750
00:37:34,200 --> 00:37:36,480
Speaker 1: to figure out with Buchanan is how how much of

751
00:37:36,520 --> 00:37:38,280
Speaker 1: a concern is that is that one of the best

752
00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:41,319
Speaker 1: draft picks in the last five years, Pete Carroll just

753
00:37:41,520 --> 00:37:45,440
Speaker 1: coming out of USC goes Earl Thomas over Taylor Maze

754
00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:47,719
Speaker 1: and everyone's like, oh wow, that's pretty surprised. You know

755
00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:50,080
Speaker 1: what's funny about that too, that that story is is

756
00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:53,480
Speaker 1: why Taylor was so upset is you know, Taylor wanted

757
00:37:53,480 --> 00:37:55,400
Speaker 1: to come out the year before and Pete's like, no,

758
00:37:55,840 --> 00:37:58,440
Speaker 1: we're gonna do some special. You're gonna come back and

759
00:37:58,680 --> 00:38:00,319
Speaker 1: we're gonna do this and we're gonna get this thing

760
00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:02,560
Speaker 1: back on track. So he comes back and then be

761
00:38:02,680 --> 00:38:05,000
Speaker 1: it's like, that's not interested, and oh yeah, by the way,

762
00:38:05,040 --> 00:38:08,120
Speaker 1: your draft stock is just destroyed. But I selfishly needed

763
00:38:08,160 --> 00:38:12,359
Speaker 1: you at USC again, good college player, undisciplined a little bit,

764
00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:14,719
Speaker 1: and that's when those things were exposed. You know, coming

765
00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:17,799
Speaker 1: off that season prior when he had all those interceptions,

766
00:38:18,080 --> 00:38:19,600
Speaker 1: it's like, oh wait a minute's little stiff in the

767
00:38:19,640 --> 00:38:21,840
Speaker 1: hips and he overpursues. Maybe he's not the guy we

768
00:38:21,880 --> 00:38:25,440
Speaker 1: thought he was. You've mentioned the importance for you of

769
00:38:25,560 --> 00:38:28,239
Speaker 1: pro days earlier. I have to ask you about the

770
00:38:28,239 --> 00:38:31,200
Speaker 1: one guy I'm scratching my head on the most. Daniel

771
00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:35,120
Speaker 1: Jeremiah has Teddy Bridgewater is his number one quarterback. Josh Norris,

772
00:38:35,120 --> 00:38:36,840
Speaker 1: who does the draft for NBC, has him as a

773
00:38:37,040 --> 00:38:39,480
Speaker 1: number one player. There are a lot of guys Mayock

774
00:38:39,640 --> 00:38:42,600
Speaker 1: doesn't have him as a first round draft pick. How

775
00:38:42,600 --> 00:38:47,400
Speaker 1: do we reconcile that in January he was considered consensus

776
00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:50,640
Speaker 1: number one quarterback after his pro day. Now he's not

777
00:38:50,719 --> 00:38:53,080
Speaker 1: even a first round pick that you know. The one

778
00:38:53,120 --> 00:38:56,440
Speaker 1: thing again, just going back to that that statement that

779
00:38:56,560 --> 00:38:58,920
Speaker 1: there's something about seeing somebody in person that's just different.

780
00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:01,200
Speaker 1: It feels different than why and tape or watching them

781
00:39:01,200 --> 00:39:04,200
Speaker 1: on TV or whatever it may be. And I guess

782
00:39:04,520 --> 00:39:06,479
Speaker 1: the ball just did not come out of his hand. Well,

783
00:39:06,640 --> 00:39:09,600
Speaker 1: his body language wasn't good, he was inaccurate. And also,

784
00:39:09,680 --> 00:39:12,000
Speaker 1: you know that's a lot of these scouts and these

785
00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:13,800
Speaker 1: general managers and coach that's their first they don't know

786
00:39:13,800 --> 00:39:16,640
Speaker 1: anything about Teddy Bridgewater. That's really their first exposure to him.

787
00:39:16,680 --> 00:39:18,520
Speaker 1: You know, it's up to the scouts to to watch

788
00:39:18,560 --> 00:39:20,239
Speaker 1: the tape and break it down. And I'm sure some

789
00:39:20,280 --> 00:39:23,799
Speaker 1: general managers did that, and you know, like DJ will

790
00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:25,799
Speaker 1: tell you or Bucky will tell you, the tape is good.

791
00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:28,360
Speaker 1: I mean, the tape is really good on Teddy Bridgewater.

792
00:39:28,440 --> 00:39:30,760
Speaker 1: He came up big in big moments. You think about

793
00:39:30,760 --> 00:39:34,280
Speaker 1: that Bowl game against Florida when he just torched that team,

794
00:39:34,280 --> 00:39:36,719
Speaker 1: and you know, is for all the issues that that

795
00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:39,239
Speaker 1: Florida has had. I mean, those are good defenses with

796
00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:43,479
Speaker 1: NFL players, and he just eviscerated him. So I don't

797
00:39:43,560 --> 00:39:47,040
Speaker 1: understand it. I would just you know, I draft Teddy Bridgewater.

798
00:39:47,200 --> 00:39:48,960
Speaker 1: If I were a team in need of a quarterback,

799
00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:51,279
Speaker 1: I'd have no problem with that. Before the Pro Day,

800
00:39:51,400 --> 00:39:54,120
Speaker 1: it was his measurables. It was he's too slight. Well

801
00:39:54,160 --> 00:39:55,759
Speaker 1: that's what they said about Aaron Rodgers, you know, And

802
00:39:56,040 --> 00:39:58,720
Speaker 1: and that's why Aaron Rodgers went well. Aaron Rodgers tumbled

803
00:39:58,719 --> 00:40:00,960
Speaker 1: because he was slight of frame aim and he had

804
00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:03,520
Speaker 1: those Jeff Tedford mechanics that had to be torn apart

805
00:40:03,760 --> 00:40:06,280
Speaker 1: and retaught because for some reason, they work in college

806
00:40:06,280 --> 00:40:08,160
Speaker 1: but they don't in the pros. And maybe you know,

807
00:40:08,280 --> 00:40:11,080
Speaker 1: that's just a perfect example of circumstance to totally get

808
00:40:11,120 --> 00:40:13,520
Speaker 1: off point here that you know, if Aaron Rodgers isn't

809
00:40:13,560 --> 00:40:15,640
Speaker 1: drafted by the Green Bay Packers and he's drafted by

810
00:40:15,640 --> 00:40:18,840
Speaker 1: the Niners and he doesn't have time to tear apart

811
00:40:18,920 --> 00:40:21,440
Speaker 1: his motion and his throws, then who knows if he

812
00:40:21,480 --> 00:40:24,160
Speaker 1: becomes the player that he ultimately becomes by having a

813
00:40:24,160 --> 00:40:26,359
Speaker 1: couple of years to to redo his mechanics and become

814
00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:29,799
Speaker 1: a better thrower. Um. So with Bridgewater, I don't get it.

815
00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:32,160
Speaker 1: I really don't. I can't figure out how one pro

816
00:40:32,280 --> 00:40:35,800
Speaker 1: day Trump's that amount of tape, that amount of production

817
00:40:35,840 --> 00:40:39,640
Speaker 1: in college winning big games coming through in the clutch. Um,

818
00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:42,799
Speaker 1: by all means, seems like a great guy told Louisville

819
00:40:42,960 --> 00:40:45,600
Speaker 1: absolutely no to their Heisman campaign, that he would have

820
00:40:45,680 --> 00:40:47,360
Speaker 1: nothing to do with it, that he really, you know,

821
00:40:47,480 --> 00:40:49,879
Speaker 1: was was absolutely opposed to that because it took away

822
00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:52,719
Speaker 1: from the team. So I don't know. I mean, you know,

823
00:40:52,960 --> 00:40:55,640
Speaker 1: this seems to be going beyond smoke screen because it

824
00:40:55,680 --> 00:40:59,239
Speaker 1: seems more like leader like true leadership than any kind

825
00:40:59,280 --> 00:41:05,600
Speaker 1: of vocal leadership. Yeah. I truly don't get it. And again,

826
00:41:05,719 --> 00:41:08,080
Speaker 1: maybe they see something I don't. They see a release

827
00:41:08,120 --> 00:41:10,560
Speaker 1: that they don't like that they worry about and you know,

828
00:41:10,640 --> 00:41:14,319
Speaker 1: it's funny we always hear with quarterbacks, Oh, he's uncomfortable

829
00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:17,440
Speaker 1: when he's not on the spot. Every quarterback's uncomfortable when

830
00:41:17,440 --> 00:41:19,400
Speaker 1: they're taking off their spot. It's just a matter of

831
00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:21,400
Speaker 1: whether or not they can, you know, have a receiver

832
00:41:21,480 --> 00:41:23,080
Speaker 1: that's open, that's coming back to the ball, or there

833
00:41:23,160 --> 00:41:25,000
Speaker 1: is a play to be made. I mean, no player

834
00:41:25,080 --> 00:41:27,120
Speaker 1: likes to be pushed off their spot. And I think

835
00:41:27,400 --> 00:41:30,359
Speaker 1: with time. People always talk about Tom Brady being able

836
00:41:30,360 --> 00:41:32,879
Speaker 1: to operate in that phone booth to move, well, He's

837
00:41:32,920 --> 00:41:34,960
Speaker 1: had a considerable amount of time to figure it out.

838
00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:37,200
Speaker 1: He's a smart guy. He's a tall drink of water.

839
00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:39,200
Speaker 1: You can see over the line, and he's got enough

840
00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:41,960
Speaker 1: arm strength to do that. I think asking, you know,

841
00:41:42,239 --> 00:41:45,360
Speaker 1: Teddy Bridgewater twenty one years old, to be Tom Brady

842
00:41:45,560 --> 00:41:47,520
Speaker 1: and and be able to be moved off your spot

843
00:41:47,600 --> 00:41:50,160
Speaker 1: and and have that sort of you know, death touch

844
00:41:50,239 --> 00:41:53,719
Speaker 1: on your passes when you've played college football and not

845
00:41:53,760 --> 00:41:55,400
Speaker 1: a lick of pro that's just seemed to me to

846
00:41:55,440 --> 00:41:59,000
Speaker 1: be asking too much. Yeah, I put a sandwich on

847
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Speaker 1: the line, or a few sandwich on the line that

848
00:42:01,239 --> 00:42:04,879
Speaker 1: they were only on Friday's show, we played our game,

849
00:42:04,960 --> 00:42:09,960
Speaker 1: go get my lunch, and and uh no, the last

850
00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:12,200
Speaker 1: part is supposed to be implied. I was hoping Wesley

851
00:42:12,320 --> 00:42:14,000
Speaker 1: was going to jump right in there and say the

852
00:42:14,080 --> 00:42:16,200
Speaker 1: last part is supposed to be implied, but because that's

853
00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:20,560
Speaker 1: usually my role. But uh, they'll beat it out. And

854
00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:24,440
Speaker 1: you know I said that two quarterbacks will get taken

855
00:42:24,520 --> 00:42:26,799
Speaker 1: in the first round exactly too. And as we get

856
00:42:26,840 --> 00:42:29,720
Speaker 1: closer to draft, of course the buzz and the rumor

857
00:42:29,840 --> 00:42:32,319
Speaker 1: this is a silly season week if there ever was one.

858
00:42:32,920 --> 00:42:36,200
Speaker 1: There's more talk about the Chiefs maybe as a quarterback

859
00:42:36,600 --> 00:42:38,279
Speaker 1: spot in the first round. I don't know if that's

860
00:42:38,360 --> 00:42:42,839
Speaker 1: negotiations sounds with Alex Smith, but maybe he's kind of

861
00:42:42,840 --> 00:42:46,920
Speaker 1: a Bridgewater fit there, uh potentially. And then the Bengals.

862
00:42:46,960 --> 00:42:50,200
Speaker 1: Maybe you get the guy who Greg Costell compared to

863
00:42:50,239 --> 00:42:53,879
Speaker 1: Andy Dalton Teddy Bridgewater and you pair him with Andy. Yeah,

864
00:42:53,920 --> 00:42:56,240
Speaker 1: that's you know, that's an interesting one. The Bengals. The Chiefs,

865
00:42:56,280 --> 00:42:59,160
Speaker 1: I'm not sure, you know, just because they lost so

866
00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:03,080
Speaker 1: much in off season in free agency and need, desperately

867
00:43:03,120 --> 00:43:05,200
Speaker 1: need a wide receiver and there's going to be a

868
00:43:05,239 --> 00:43:07,839
Speaker 1: great one available, you know, whoever is still sitting there

869
00:43:07,840 --> 00:43:10,359
Speaker 1: on the board. There are really good wide receivers, whether

870
00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:13,680
Speaker 1: it's Brandon Cooks or Mark He's Lee real quick. Can

871
00:43:13,680 --> 00:43:16,480
Speaker 1: you tell us a little bit about Brandon Cooks fast,

872
00:43:16,880 --> 00:43:21,040
Speaker 1: lightning fast comparisons to guys like Steve Smith. Yeah, but

873
00:43:21,239 --> 00:43:23,680
Speaker 1: in Antonio Holmes, that's the hype thing I think, you know,

874
00:43:23,719 --> 00:43:25,680
Speaker 1: because he's not he's not that tall, but he is.

875
00:43:25,880 --> 00:43:29,839
Speaker 1: He is stoutly, he does he's great. I mean that

876
00:43:29,840 --> 00:43:33,359
Speaker 1: that Sean Mannion Brandon Cook's pairing at Oregon State. You know,

877
00:43:33,440 --> 00:43:35,760
Speaker 1: not a lot of people paying attention to Beaver football,

878
00:43:35,840 --> 00:43:38,440
Speaker 1: but they really were something that they couldn't you know,

879
00:43:38,440 --> 00:43:40,879
Speaker 1: they couldn't slow him down. And one thing about Mike

880
00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:44,439
Speaker 1: Riley is he gets guys ready for the league. There's

881
00:43:44,440 --> 00:43:47,280
Speaker 1: certain coaches that do a really good job of making

882
00:43:47,320 --> 00:43:50,279
Speaker 1: their players better from the time they enroll until the

883
00:43:50,320 --> 00:43:52,239
Speaker 1: time they leave. And that's not taking anything away from

884
00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:54,680
Speaker 1: other coaches. But when you look around the league and

885
00:43:54,719 --> 00:43:57,640
Speaker 1: you see the amount of Oregon State players compared to

886
00:43:58,320 --> 00:44:00,520
Speaker 1: what they're you know, and I'm not a big fan

887
00:44:00,560 --> 00:44:02,600
Speaker 1: of the rankings anyway, coming out of high school, most

888
00:44:02,640 --> 00:44:04,759
Speaker 1: of these guys that dominate, they dominate because of the

889
00:44:04,840 --> 00:44:07,319
Speaker 1: level of competition, you know. But but when you look

890
00:44:07,360 --> 00:44:09,799
Speaker 1: at the number of Oregon State players compared to how

891
00:44:09,800 --> 00:44:12,680
Speaker 1: many two and three stars they were coming out of

892
00:44:12,719 --> 00:44:16,080
Speaker 1: high school, it speaks to what they're being taught, you know.

893
00:44:16,160 --> 00:44:18,319
Speaker 1: And and there's something about that coaching staff. And I

894
00:44:18,320 --> 00:44:19,799
Speaker 1: know I'm getting a little long here and doing a

895
00:44:19,880 --> 00:44:24,520
Speaker 1: huge promotional announcement for Oregon State. But they've been together forever,

896
00:44:24,680 --> 00:44:27,680
Speaker 1: I mean, his assistance. They don't leave. They've been offered

897
00:44:27,680 --> 00:44:30,000
Speaker 1: more money, but they like it in Corvallis. They like

898
00:44:30,080 --> 00:44:32,799
Speaker 1: working for Riley, And I think that says something to why,

899
00:44:33,040 --> 00:44:36,680
Speaker 1: you know, players like Stephen Pia and Marcus Wheaton and

900
00:44:36,880 --> 00:44:39,560
Speaker 1: in the case of Brandon Cooks, who weren't highly rated

901
00:44:39,560 --> 00:44:41,600
Speaker 1: coming out of high school, can not only make the

902
00:44:41,680 --> 00:44:43,560
Speaker 1: league but have an impact. And I expect Marcus, we

903
00:44:43,600 --> 00:44:45,840
Speaker 1: can have it. We can have a big year in Pittsburgh.

904
00:44:45,840 --> 00:44:48,560
Speaker 1: He was another blazer. I mean, that's my blazing there

905
00:44:48,600 --> 00:44:53,560
Speaker 1: you go, blazing fast receiver. But Cooks, Cooks separates himself

906
00:44:53,600 --> 00:44:55,880
Speaker 1: like Odell Beckham does, just in terms of speed, But

907
00:44:55,920 --> 00:44:58,440
Speaker 1: Odell Beckham a lot more physical than Cooks. So I

908
00:44:58,480 --> 00:45:00,480
Speaker 1: think Brandon Cooks is sitting there for the use that's

909
00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:02,600
Speaker 1: a great pick for them as opposed to do in

910
00:45:02,640 --> 00:45:05,200
Speaker 1: a quarterback. Getting back to your your point, Greg the Bengals,

911
00:45:06,080 --> 00:45:08,799
Speaker 1: I'm you know, I want to like Andy Dalton. He's

912
00:45:08,840 --> 00:45:10,960
Speaker 1: you know, go Katie Texas. I want him to be

913
00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:13,439
Speaker 1: the guy you didn't even want to like him, really,

914
00:45:13,480 --> 00:45:16,360
Speaker 1: see I do. There's something that's kidding. I want to

915
00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:19,600
Speaker 1: like him because of the fact that TCU put it

916
00:45:19,640 --> 00:45:21,640
Speaker 1: on the State of Texas. You know that there's something

917
00:45:21,680 --> 00:45:25,280
Speaker 1: about you know, ut and hook him Horns and College

918
00:45:25,280 --> 00:45:28,200
Speaker 1: Station in the twelfth Man, and these teams like Mike

919
00:45:28,280 --> 00:45:31,440
Speaker 1: Leech's Red Raiders of Texas Tech and tc you still

920
00:45:31,520 --> 00:45:34,440
Speaker 1: being able to not only be relevant but to trump

921
00:45:34,600 --> 00:45:36,839
Speaker 1: you know, the big guys in town. And he's kind

922
00:45:36,840 --> 00:45:38,759
Speaker 1: of in the NFL version of that. And that's kind

923
00:45:38,760 --> 00:45:41,680
Speaker 1: of why I don't like him, is I've always quietly

924
00:45:41,760 --> 00:45:44,160
Speaker 1: rooted for the Bengal just because you feel bad for him.

925
00:45:44,200 --> 00:45:47,120
Speaker 1: They've been an exciting defensive team the last few years,

926
00:45:47,160 --> 00:45:49,600
Speaker 1: but even before that, and he's the one holding them

927
00:45:49,640 --> 00:45:51,480
Speaker 1: back and then you put him on hard knocks. I mean,

928
00:45:51,640 --> 00:45:54,080
Speaker 1: this is a spot where you wanted to get excited

929
00:45:54,080 --> 00:45:56,600
Speaker 1: about Andy Dalton and he basically just confirmed everything you

930
00:45:56,600 --> 00:45:59,960
Speaker 1: thought about Andy Dalton. He's a bit dull. No, yeah,

931
00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:02,600
Speaker 1: not exactly, lighting up the world with his Christian Rock

932
00:46:02,640 --> 00:46:06,200
Speaker 1: medal before the games and his rubber ring, his uh

933
00:46:06,560 --> 00:46:10,880
Speaker 1: wedding ring. People, where's the rubber wedding ring on the field?

934
00:46:10,920 --> 00:46:15,120
Speaker 1: Because it's important to him? Yeah, I I I don't

935
00:46:15,200 --> 00:46:17,440
Speaker 1: give it depends what he wants. I don't know how

936
00:46:17,520 --> 00:46:20,440
Speaker 1: much money he wants in this extension, but man, would

937
00:46:20,480 --> 00:46:23,399
Speaker 1: I be real nervous with all those weapons, with with

938
00:46:23,480 --> 00:46:27,000
Speaker 1: Marvin Jones and and A. J. Green and Geo Bernard

939
00:46:27,120 --> 00:46:30,560
Speaker 1: and take the money if he wants north of fifteen

940
00:46:30,560 --> 00:46:33,480
Speaker 1: million a year, give me Teddy Bridge. Hey, Alex Smith

941
00:46:33,520 --> 00:46:36,160
Speaker 1: and Andy Dalton take the money this week. Let's take

942
00:46:36,160 --> 00:46:38,239
Speaker 1: it before the draft, shall we, because it's the most

943
00:46:38,239 --> 00:46:42,319
Speaker 1: Alex Smith thing ever, for after everything he's been through

944
00:46:42,360 --> 00:46:44,560
Speaker 1: of his career, to finally get a team where he's

945
00:46:44,600 --> 00:46:48,000
Speaker 1: the guy to be in long time contract negotiations, for

946
00:46:48,160 --> 00:46:50,440
Speaker 1: big time money, to put up a ton of points

947
00:46:50,440 --> 00:46:52,440
Speaker 1: in the playoffs and then oh, we're gonna draft a

948
00:46:52,480 --> 00:46:54,799
Speaker 1: quarterback in the first round the next year, so enjoy that.

949
00:46:54,880 --> 00:46:57,480
Speaker 1: Ye take the money. Now, where did the time go?

950
00:46:57,840 --> 00:47:00,959
Speaker 1: We didn't even talk Johnny Manzel and whole segment about

951
00:47:00,960 --> 00:47:02,920
Speaker 1: the NFL Draft. That has to be a record for you.

952
00:47:03,120 --> 00:47:05,560
Speaker 1: It does. And I'll just you know, because we have

953
00:47:05,680 --> 00:47:07,680
Speaker 1: to or else our bosses will get on us. We're

954
00:47:07,680 --> 00:47:10,240
Speaker 1: not talking Johnny Manzel. I'll just quickly say, I totally

955
00:47:10,239 --> 00:47:13,680
Speaker 1: believe in Johnny Manzel, absolutely do. I'm a Johnny Manzel guy.

956
00:47:13,680 --> 00:47:16,399
Speaker 1: I have not seen um, I truly have not seen

957
00:47:16,400 --> 00:47:18,840
Speaker 1: a more exciting football player in college football and in

958
00:47:18,880 --> 00:47:21,360
Speaker 1: all my years calling games. I mean, there is man

959
00:47:21,400 --> 00:47:24,520
Speaker 1: that kid when you're watching those games, there is something

960
00:47:25,200 --> 00:47:29,520
Speaker 1: just different about him. He does. It's I feel stupid

961
00:47:29,600 --> 00:47:32,919
Speaker 1: saying it, but some guys just have that. And I've

962
00:47:32,920 --> 00:47:35,319
Speaker 1: heard people, because of his stature, compare him to like

963
00:47:35,400 --> 00:47:37,440
Speaker 1: Kid McNown who was kind of like that, who was

964
00:47:37,480 --> 00:47:40,560
Speaker 1: able to I'm like, okay, look this guy, he's you know,

965
00:47:40,760 --> 00:47:42,320
Speaker 1: I'm trying to think of who it was. Bucky and

966
00:47:42,360 --> 00:47:45,080
Speaker 1: I were arguing on Damniss podcast and we were talking

967
00:47:45,080 --> 00:47:48,800
Speaker 1: about Tebow and the celebrity of Tebow versus the celebrity giant.

968
00:47:49,120 --> 00:47:51,800
Speaker 1: Manzel throws the ball, man, I mean, he can throw

969
00:47:52,120 --> 00:47:56,040
Speaker 1: the freaking ball. He's accurate, he can make plays, He

970
00:47:56,239 --> 00:47:58,440
Speaker 1: gets it. He can see through those lanes even though

971
00:47:58,480 --> 00:48:00,800
Speaker 1: he's not the tallest guy around, and he had all

972
00:48:00,880 --> 00:48:02,759
Speaker 1: offensive lineman in front of him, and he was still

973
00:48:02,800 --> 00:48:05,800
Speaker 1: able to Uh look, you know, you look at Jason

974
00:48:05,840 --> 00:48:09,239
Speaker 1: Morrow and Mike Evans. I mean, these are marrows in

975
00:48:09,239 --> 00:48:10,920
Speaker 1: the middle of the field, and he's operating in the

976
00:48:10,920 --> 00:48:12,279
Speaker 1: middle of the field. And that's the concern when you

977
00:48:12,320 --> 00:48:14,000
Speaker 1: have a guy that's short, as he's always gotta be

978
00:48:14,080 --> 00:48:16,160
Speaker 1: rolling out and he's not going to use the middle

979
00:48:16,160 --> 00:48:17,719
Speaker 1: of the field as well. He's gonna always have to

980
00:48:17,760 --> 00:48:19,279
Speaker 1: go to the outside because those are the lanes he

981
00:48:19,280 --> 00:48:22,560
Speaker 1: can see. And Johnny proved all those issues wrong. I

982
00:48:22,920 --> 00:48:25,359
Speaker 1: do I buy him. I'm I'm absolutely in on him.

983
00:48:25,400 --> 00:48:27,200
Speaker 1: If I had doing it, Yeah, if I had to

984
00:48:27,200 --> 00:48:29,239
Speaker 1: put my name on as another red Star, there it

985
00:48:29,360 --> 00:48:31,760
Speaker 1: is another Red Star Johnny Manzel. I love the quote

986
00:48:31,760 --> 00:48:35,960
Speaker 1: that Daniel Jeremiah got from an undisclosed general manager. If

987
00:48:36,000 --> 00:48:38,839
Speaker 1: I drafted Johnny football, I wouldn't be able to sleep

988
00:48:38,840 --> 00:48:40,560
Speaker 1: that night because I'd be so excited, And then I

989
00:48:40,600 --> 00:48:42,399
Speaker 1: wouldn't be able to sleep for the next five years

990
00:48:42,440 --> 00:48:44,880
Speaker 1: because I'd be so nervous. Yep, that's great. That is

991
00:48:44,960 --> 00:48:47,919
Speaker 1: it's that's absolutely right. And you said it that there's

992
00:48:47,920 --> 00:48:50,480
Speaker 1: no comfortable and that's why the NFL is scared of him,

993
00:48:50,520 --> 00:48:54,440
Speaker 1: because anytime there's no comparable player to what happened before,

994
00:48:54,880 --> 00:48:57,040
Speaker 1: the guy falls just because it's a league where you

995
00:48:57,160 --> 00:48:59,960
Speaker 1: fall back on what's happened before and you play it. Say,

996
00:49:00,320 --> 00:49:03,560
Speaker 1: but the Russell Wilson factor, right, Everybody at the combine said, man,

997
00:49:03,600 --> 00:49:05,359
Speaker 1: if this guy was six too, he'd be the number

998
00:49:05,360 --> 00:49:07,719
Speaker 1: two pick. I mean that's it's like, okay, so you're

999
00:49:07,760 --> 00:49:10,000
Speaker 1: talking three inches here. He's got big hands, he throws

1000
00:49:10,080 --> 00:49:12,520
Speaker 1: the ball. He's one of the best interviews you've ever

1001
00:49:12,600 --> 00:49:14,520
Speaker 1: sat down and talked with. We all agree as a

1002
00:49:14,600 --> 00:49:16,640
Speaker 1: leader of men, but he's three inches too short. I

1003
00:49:16,719 --> 00:49:19,400
Speaker 1: just love that, Johnny Man, everything's on the table for

1004
00:49:19,440 --> 00:49:22,399
Speaker 1: his career. I love that. I mean, anything could happen

1005
00:49:22,440 --> 00:49:24,719
Speaker 1: and really wouldn't surprise. And then everything is right now

1006
00:49:24,760 --> 00:49:28,640
Speaker 1: on the table for Thursday night, Charlie Castle. He doesn't

1007
00:49:28,680 --> 00:49:30,920
Speaker 1: even have him in the first round. That would be

1008
00:49:30,960 --> 00:49:33,239
Speaker 1: a stunner and it would be fascinated to watch. That's

1009
00:49:33,239 --> 00:49:35,520
Speaker 1: not gonna happen. And then there's a lot of reports

1010
00:49:35,520 --> 00:49:37,719
Speaker 1: and people and we talked about it early that you know,

1011
00:49:37,760 --> 00:49:39,960
Speaker 1: maybe the Rams take him, maybe not at two, but

1012
00:49:40,040 --> 00:49:42,160
Speaker 1: at thirteen, and that would be amazing no matter what.

1013
00:49:42,239 --> 00:49:45,880
Speaker 1: Johnny Manzel just makes this week. I brought this up

1014
00:49:45,920 --> 00:49:48,319
Speaker 1: with Bucky yesterday. What do you guys think I said

1015
00:49:48,320 --> 00:49:51,760
Speaker 1: when they announced his name, knowing you know the chappie

1016
00:49:51,760 --> 00:49:54,200
Speaker 1: New York fans that are in that that Radio City

1017
00:49:54,280 --> 00:49:57,120
Speaker 1: Music Hall. Is there like a huge ovation of cheers

1018
00:49:57,239 --> 00:50:00,600
Speaker 1: or does it get booed? It's gonna be a mix,

1019
00:50:00,719 --> 00:50:05,279
Speaker 1: but initially it'll be more of like surprise excitement, be

1020
00:50:05,320 --> 00:50:11,120
Speaker 1: like I just raised it. It was almost like a

1021
00:50:11,120 --> 00:50:13,480
Speaker 1: scene of the Thriller video. The way you raised your hands.

1022
00:50:13,520 --> 00:50:15,680
Speaker 1: It was like the zombie walk in the Thriller video.

1023
00:50:16,960 --> 00:50:19,719
Speaker 1: That was great. Everyone just got into car crash. If

1024
00:50:19,719 --> 00:50:22,160
Speaker 1: you were listening to this as you're driving, Thank you,

1025
00:50:22,200 --> 00:50:25,320
Speaker 1: Matt money Smith, what an honor the Stitcher Award winning

1026
00:50:25,840 --> 00:50:29,680
Speaker 1: the podcast too kind And you can listen and watch

1027
00:50:29,800 --> 00:50:33,360
Speaker 1: the Money all week u NFL dot com. They're working

1028
00:50:33,400 --> 00:50:36,080
Speaker 1: me hard draft extra. Are you guys going out? Let's

1029
00:50:36,080 --> 00:50:39,440
Speaker 1: throw out the Petris and Money so every day daily

1030
00:50:39,640 --> 00:50:42,000
Speaker 1: in Los Angeles, California. Yeah, or on your I Heart

1031
00:50:42,040 --> 00:50:44,160
Speaker 1: radio application if you want to listen to that. Yeah,

1032
00:50:44,160 --> 00:50:46,359
Speaker 1: So if the executives are listing, come on, this guy

1033
00:50:46,440 --> 00:50:50,240
Speaker 1: is under utilizing asset. Let's put him on more things.

1034
00:50:50,520 --> 00:50:53,439
Speaker 1: We need him to wear his analysts have more often. Yes,

1035
00:50:53,600 --> 00:50:55,480
Speaker 1: I agree with that. People put you in the in

1036
00:50:55,520 --> 00:50:57,919
Speaker 1: the host thing and you can do it. It's funny, man,

1037
00:50:58,040 --> 00:51:00,239
Speaker 1: it's it's one of the tricks of the place by

1038
00:51:00,239 --> 00:51:05,040
Speaker 1: play trade. As you cannot analyze here. We want you

1039
00:51:05,080 --> 00:51:07,040
Speaker 1: to spread your wings a little bit. We're going off

1040
00:51:07,040 --> 00:51:09,240
Speaker 1: the reservation. And now I don't like that. Like Sean

1041
00:51:09,320 --> 00:51:11,440
Speaker 1: McDonough I grew up. This is way off time. But

1042
00:51:11,600 --> 00:51:14,319
Speaker 1: some of the best play by play announcers in any

1043
00:51:14,400 --> 00:51:16,719
Speaker 1: sport they throw in their opinions and that's why you

1044
00:51:16,719 --> 00:51:18,879
Speaker 1: remember him a little bit. So you have my permission. Well,

1045
00:51:18,880 --> 00:51:20,960
Speaker 1: thank you nowadays though you put it. Shut up, you

1046
00:51:21,120 --> 00:51:23,640
Speaker 1: shut up, you play, you shut up, you up, shut up,

1047
00:51:24,400 --> 00:51:27,040
Speaker 1: get really upset when you do. Well, that's why we

1048
00:51:27,040 --> 00:51:30,520
Speaker 1: should have you on here. Mare Matt money Smith. Uh,

1049
00:51:30,600 --> 00:51:32,919
Speaker 1: you could listen to them, like I said, all week long.

1050
00:51:33,000 --> 00:51:35,120
Speaker 1: Great talking to you you guys. Go to New York. No,

1051
00:51:35,280 --> 00:51:37,880
Speaker 1: we're we're here. We're here. Man in the ship. I

1052
00:51:37,880 --> 00:51:40,440
Speaker 1: will see you Thursday and Friday. Al Right, see your money?

1053
00:51:40,680 --> 00:51:44,719
Speaker 1: All right? That was Matt money Smith bringing the knowledge

1054
00:51:44,760 --> 00:51:51,200
Speaker 1: for us during draft week. I'm excited this podcast is

1055
00:51:51,200 --> 00:51:53,200
Speaker 1: almost over, Chris, just the two of us in here.

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00:51:53,239 --> 00:51:56,640
Speaker 1: But let's let's wrap up U with a little conversation

1057
00:51:56,760 --> 00:52:00,200
Speaker 1: about the big picture of this week and looking from

1058
00:52:00,200 --> 00:52:07,000
Speaker 1: a team perspective, what teams and specifically general managers that

1059
00:52:07,040 --> 00:52:10,360
Speaker 1: we think are under the gun to deliver a big

1060
00:52:10,400 --> 00:52:14,040
Speaker 1: time haul have a very productive draft this week. There's

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00:52:14,080 --> 00:52:16,759
Speaker 1: a piece up on the Around the League page seven

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00:52:16,800 --> 00:52:19,680
Speaker 1: general managers on the draft hot seat? Who sticks out

1063
00:52:19,719 --> 00:52:22,080
Speaker 1: to you on this list? The top of my list

1064
00:52:22,160 --> 00:52:24,799
Speaker 1: is the guy you have number one, Kevin Colbert. The

1065
00:52:24,840 --> 00:52:27,680
Speaker 1: Steelers fascinate me because they're in limbo as a franchise.

1066
00:52:27,840 --> 00:52:32,200
Speaker 1: They've been a perennial contender who kind of have the

1067
00:52:32,200 --> 00:52:34,759
Speaker 1: look of a rebuilder now, but with Big Ben, they

1068
00:52:34,760 --> 00:52:37,239
Speaker 1: can't afford to do that. And Kevin Colbert, I did

1069
00:52:37,280 --> 00:52:40,640
Speaker 1: a study on this last offseason, was averaging about one

1070
00:52:40,680 --> 00:52:43,759
Speaker 1: starter per draft class over the last five years, which

1071
00:52:43,840 --> 00:52:46,120
Speaker 1: is doesn't cut it. Not only doesn't cut it, but

1072
00:52:46,320 --> 00:52:49,640
Speaker 1: is anathema to a Steelers organization that always drafts and

1073
00:52:49,680 --> 00:52:53,359
Speaker 1: developed well. He is a guy that you would throw

1074
00:52:53,400 --> 00:52:56,960
Speaker 1: out there if you want it to sound cool, cause, oh,

1075
00:52:57,000 --> 00:52:59,120
Speaker 1: that's the best general manager in the game, this type

1076
00:52:59,160 --> 00:53:01,520
Speaker 1: of thing. I used to say, Kevin Colver might be

1077
00:53:01,680 --> 00:53:05,759
Speaker 1: the best GM in the NFL or the most underrated,

1078
00:53:05,880 --> 00:53:07,600
Speaker 1: and it made a lot of sense for a while.

1079
00:53:07,719 --> 00:53:10,799
Speaker 1: He's been there since two thousand for a reason. They

1080
00:53:10,840 --> 00:53:15,400
Speaker 1: always seem to draft guys very well for that system

1081
00:53:15,480 --> 00:53:17,640
Speaker 1: and then develop them as a coaching staff. And a

1082
00:53:17,760 --> 00:53:21,319
Speaker 1: year later after they draft him, suddenly they step into

1083
00:53:21,320 --> 00:53:23,640
Speaker 1: the lineup and you don't even miss the veterans at leave.

1084
00:53:23,680 --> 00:53:25,440
Speaker 1: But it hasn't been working for a while, and this

1085
00:53:25,520 --> 00:53:27,799
Speaker 1: is a team and a franchise. I thinks on the

1086
00:53:27,840 --> 00:53:31,759
Speaker 1: precipice of major changes because I feel like both Colbert

1087
00:53:32,120 --> 00:53:34,279
Speaker 1: and Tomlin need to win this year. If they come

1088
00:53:34,280 --> 00:53:37,080
Speaker 1: out and they have a seven and nine, another season

1089
00:53:37,120 --> 00:53:40,000
Speaker 1: out of the playoffs while Ben Roethlisberger's in his prime,

1090
00:53:40,719 --> 00:53:43,160
Speaker 1: I think you could see a big shake up and

1091
00:53:43,200 --> 00:53:46,759
Speaker 1: see both Colbert and Tomlin swept out. They have they

1092
00:53:46,800 --> 00:53:49,439
Speaker 1: still could have last year's draft class work out really well.

1093
00:53:49,560 --> 00:53:52,400
Speaker 1: Levy on bell Is is the three down back. Marcus

1094
00:53:52,400 --> 00:53:55,720
Speaker 1: Wheaton could come in and start this year. UH Jones

1095
00:53:55,760 --> 00:53:57,640
Speaker 1: could be the pass rusher they needed. And if they

1096
00:53:57,719 --> 00:54:01,000
Speaker 1: hit on a big, physical receiver and a cornerback in

1097
00:54:01,040 --> 00:54:03,320
Speaker 1: the first two rounds this year and their impact players,

1098
00:54:04,040 --> 00:54:05,640
Speaker 1: they could be right back at the at the head

1099
00:54:05,680 --> 00:54:08,000
Speaker 1: of the class. In they could they could win that division.

1100
00:54:08,000 --> 00:54:09,759
Speaker 1: You have Ben Roethlisberger, you can win that division. But

1101
00:54:09,800 --> 00:54:11,360
Speaker 1: I don't know if they can go with guys that

1102
00:54:11,440 --> 00:54:13,719
Speaker 1: sit on the bench for a year this time around.

1103
00:54:13,719 --> 00:54:16,040
Speaker 1: I don't think even a Jarvis Jones type who you know,

1104
00:54:16,080 --> 00:54:17,560
Speaker 1: he helps out as a part time but I think

1105
00:54:17,560 --> 00:54:20,040
Speaker 1: they need guys that that step in. And I think

1106
00:54:20,120 --> 00:54:22,320
Speaker 1: Jerry Reese of the Giants is in a very similar

1107
00:54:22,360 --> 00:54:27,279
Speaker 1: situation with uh ownership group that's generally very patient. He's

1108
00:54:27,320 --> 00:54:30,360
Speaker 1: got a good reputation, he's still living off that. I

1109
00:54:30,400 --> 00:54:34,000
Speaker 1: think it wasn't the seven two thousand seven draft class

1110
00:54:34,000 --> 00:54:35,759
Speaker 1: that took him to the Super Bowl, right exactly. He's

1111
00:54:35,760 --> 00:54:39,520
Speaker 1: still living off that draft class since then. Bill Barnwell

1112
00:54:39,560 --> 00:54:42,520
Speaker 1: wrote a great piece on Grantland last year just pointing

1113
00:54:42,560 --> 00:54:44,759
Speaker 1: out how Reese, whether it's bad luck or not, all

1114
00:54:44,760 --> 00:54:47,440
Speaker 1: he's done is draft injured players, injured guys that are

1115
00:54:47,440 --> 00:54:49,760
Speaker 1: out of the league. The last six years, the Giants

1116
00:54:49,760 --> 00:54:52,000
Speaker 1: have not had a good drafting history, and they are

1117
00:54:52,000 --> 00:54:54,480
Speaker 1: another team. I think that if they don't have a

1118
00:54:54,520 --> 00:54:57,960
Speaker 1: winning season, Reese and Tom Coughlin won't be there next year.

1119
00:54:58,000 --> 00:55:00,480
Speaker 1: I gotta believe a lot of that's bad luck. And

1120
00:55:00,560 --> 00:55:03,760
Speaker 1: he's so respected in the game. You mentioned Kevin Colbert

1121
00:55:03,760 --> 00:55:05,239
Speaker 1: as a guy that people used to talk about as

1122
00:55:05,239 --> 00:55:07,000
Speaker 1: the best GM. It was only three or four years

1123
00:55:07,040 --> 00:55:09,359
Speaker 1: ago that Jerry Reese. A lot of people hit him

1124
00:55:09,440 --> 00:55:12,200
Speaker 1: up there with the very best, you know, as a

1125
00:55:12,239 --> 00:55:14,480
Speaker 1: model GM. Well, the thing I don't like about the

1126
00:55:14,480 --> 00:55:17,240
Speaker 1: Giants they always have the same problems. They They're always

1127
00:55:17,280 --> 00:55:19,040
Speaker 1: trying to get back to the running game that they

1128
00:55:19,120 --> 00:55:21,120
Speaker 1: supposedly once had. I guess they had it in two

1129
00:55:21,160 --> 00:55:23,319
Speaker 1: thousand seven, but they haven't added in a while. They're

1130
00:55:23,320 --> 00:55:25,520
Speaker 1: always trying to get back to that. They've been trying

1131
00:55:25,560 --> 00:55:28,319
Speaker 1: to fix their offensive line for five years, and they're

1132
00:55:28,320 --> 00:55:31,439
Speaker 1: trying to regain that pass rush that has been off

1133
00:55:31,440 --> 00:55:34,239
Speaker 1: and on, mostly off for the last three or four years.

1134
00:55:34,239 --> 00:55:36,759
Speaker 1: It came back for their two thousand eleven Super Bowl run,

1135
00:55:37,120 --> 00:55:39,759
Speaker 1: it hasn't been there. Is there any other GMS that

1136
00:55:39,800 --> 00:55:42,959
Speaker 1: stick out to you on this list. Well, I've talked

1137
00:55:43,000 --> 00:55:44,880
Speaker 1: about this guy quite a bit and I hate to

1138
00:55:44,920 --> 00:55:47,600
Speaker 1: keep picking on him, but Reggie Mackenzie b he's on

1139
00:55:47,640 --> 00:55:49,480
Speaker 1: the hot seat because his owner has already said he's

1140
00:55:49,520 --> 00:55:53,160
Speaker 1: on the hot seat. That's true. So and he didn't

1141
00:55:53,160 --> 00:55:54,759
Speaker 1: look like he was on the hot seat when we

1142
00:55:54,800 --> 00:55:56,799
Speaker 1: watched him in his press conference the other day. How

1143
00:55:56,840 --> 00:55:58,880
Speaker 1: would you He looked more like he was about to

1144
00:55:58,920 --> 00:56:02,600
Speaker 1: fall asleep. You know what I mean? Well, this is

1145
00:56:02,640 --> 00:56:05,799
Speaker 1: a guy the face of his franchise is an under used,

1146
00:56:05,920 --> 00:56:11,560
Speaker 1: underutilized fullback. Is their player when they talk about guys

1147
00:56:11,600 --> 00:56:14,759
Speaker 1: recruiting free agents, and the guy who talks about what

1148
00:56:14,800 --> 00:56:17,160
Speaker 1: it means to be a Raider, the media's go to

1149
00:56:17,280 --> 00:56:20,680
Speaker 1: guy is Marcel Reis. I can't think of another roster

1150
00:56:20,760 --> 00:56:25,360
Speaker 1: that doesn't have a single in his prime, young important player,

1151
00:56:25,960 --> 00:56:28,799
Speaker 1: and the Raiders don't. I felt like he was under

1152
00:56:28,800 --> 00:56:31,759
Speaker 1: so much pressure to deliver a big time draft last year,

1153
00:56:32,480 --> 00:56:35,520
Speaker 1: and he got DJ Hayden and he got mental like Watson,

1154
00:56:35,560 --> 00:56:39,160
Speaker 1: he traded down it. We'll see if that works out.

1155
00:56:39,200 --> 00:56:41,600
Speaker 1: It didn't provide a lot of big instant impact. But

1156
00:56:41,640 --> 00:56:44,200
Speaker 1: our Cel Moore looks okay. In two drafts. He's got

1157
00:56:44,200 --> 00:56:47,200
Speaker 1: one starter, Cel Moore, and he's the guy who comes

1158
00:56:47,200 --> 00:56:49,399
Speaker 1: from Green Bay where it's all about drafting. So if

1159
00:56:49,440 --> 00:56:51,840
Speaker 1: if that's your thing, and he went into free agency

1160
00:56:51,880 --> 00:56:54,640
Speaker 1: this year, though, you have to deliver two guys. I'm

1161
00:56:54,640 --> 00:56:58,280
Speaker 1: watching this weekend as well. Rick Spielman of the Vikings,

1162
00:56:58,320 --> 00:57:01,960
Speaker 1: a guy that's been ahead of personnel in Miami and

1163
00:57:02,000 --> 00:57:06,000
Speaker 1: Minnesota for a lot of years without a lot of success.

1164
00:57:06,440 --> 00:57:08,520
Speaker 1: Let's be honest, and they kind of take turns in

1165
00:57:08,560 --> 00:57:12,400
Speaker 1: Minnesota figuring out who to blame. First, they blame a structure,

1166
00:57:12,440 --> 00:57:14,920
Speaker 1: it's the triangle of authority, and then they blame a

1167
00:57:14,960 --> 00:57:17,840
Speaker 1: coach and it's basically Spielman's turn to get fired because

1168
00:57:17,840 --> 00:57:20,520
Speaker 1: he got promoted last time and they just fired a coach.

1169
00:57:20,680 --> 00:57:22,720
Speaker 1: And I think if they have another bad season, they

1170
00:57:22,720 --> 00:57:25,920
Speaker 1: probably would fire Rick Spielman, keep Mike Zimmer bringing a

1171
00:57:25,960 --> 00:57:27,919
Speaker 1: new GM that never seems to work. But I could

1172
00:57:27,960 --> 00:57:30,400
Speaker 1: just see that happening. So he's under pressure. And then

1173
00:57:30,640 --> 00:57:35,200
Speaker 1: Dave Gettlman, our guy, the general manager of the former

1174
00:57:35,840 --> 00:57:38,400
Speaker 1: team of the Round the League podcast Carolina Panthers. I

1175
00:57:38,400 --> 00:57:41,320
Speaker 1: feel like this entire offseason has been a dare, Like

1176
00:57:41,400 --> 00:57:43,960
Speaker 1: Dave Gettlman is just looking at all the Panthers fans

1177
00:57:43,960 --> 00:57:45,760
Speaker 1: and looking at all the meeting, He's like, what, you

1178
00:57:45,760 --> 00:57:49,280
Speaker 1: don't think I can deliver another awesome draft. I'm gonna

1179
00:57:49,320 --> 00:57:52,120
Speaker 1: let every single player you know that plays wide receiver

1180
00:57:52,240 --> 00:57:54,120
Speaker 1: leave the team. I'm gonna let the left tackle leave

1181
00:57:54,120 --> 00:57:55,720
Speaker 1: the team. I'm gonna sign a bunch of people you've

1182
00:57:55,760 --> 00:57:58,840
Speaker 1: never heard of in the secondary, and just watch my

1183
00:57:58,920 --> 00:58:01,480
Speaker 1: draft because I'm gonna deliver her. Baby. I have no

1184
00:58:01,520 --> 00:58:04,200
Speaker 1: problem with what he's done. He's he's been. He basically

1185
00:58:04,280 --> 00:58:07,439
Speaker 1: the opposite approach of Reggie mackenzie. Keep all your good

1186
00:58:07,480 --> 00:58:11,080
Speaker 1: young nucleus players and throw off the old players that

1187
00:58:11,120 --> 00:58:13,760
Speaker 1: you don't really need anymore. They have a lot of

1188
00:58:13,760 --> 00:58:17,240
Speaker 1: holes though, they do. But it's something that I totally buy.

1189
00:58:17,360 --> 00:58:20,200
Speaker 1: He keeps pointing. He doesn't directly point the finger at

1190
00:58:20,240 --> 00:58:23,560
Speaker 1: Marty Herney, but the credit card comparison is perfect. He

1191
00:58:23,600 --> 00:58:25,880
Speaker 1: came in with a team in a salary captain mess,

1192
00:58:26,480 --> 00:58:29,400
Speaker 1: especially the backfield issues where they overpaid for Jonathan Stewart

1193
00:58:29,400 --> 00:58:32,320
Speaker 1: and D'Angelo Williams, and Gettleman has said, until we pay

1194
00:58:32,360 --> 00:58:34,840
Speaker 1: off our bad credit, we can't start spending money again.

1195
00:58:34,920 --> 00:58:38,520
Speaker 1: And you have to give Gettleman credit for his first draft,

1196
00:58:38,960 --> 00:58:42,600
Speaker 1: his first pick as GM star luthaile. I wish Dan

1197
00:58:42,720 --> 00:58:45,560
Speaker 1: was here to pronounce it correctly, but he's not. And

1198
00:58:45,600 --> 00:58:48,439
Speaker 1: then Kawan Short was a great second round pick. He

1199
00:58:48,600 --> 00:58:51,080
Speaker 1: went and attacked what had been a problem area for

1200
00:58:51,120 --> 00:58:53,360
Speaker 1: them for five six years and he fixed it in

1201
00:58:53,400 --> 00:58:55,720
Speaker 1: one draft. So he hit a home run last time.

1202
00:58:55,760 --> 00:58:59,240
Speaker 1: We'll see how he does this time. The draft is

1203
00:58:59,360 --> 00:59:05,120
Speaker 1: finally almost here, Zach, are you feeling like the okay

1204
00:59:05,160 --> 00:59:07,240
Speaker 1: about the podcast with only two of us in here?

1205
00:59:07,360 --> 00:59:09,600
Speaker 1: I feel great, you guys, really, you know you carried

1206
00:59:09,600 --> 00:59:11,720
Speaker 1: the load today. I think we got some nice help

1207
00:59:11,760 --> 00:59:16,200
Speaker 1: for Money. Money is great and Greg has called him underutilized.

1208
00:59:16,280 --> 00:59:18,400
Speaker 1: Money is one of my favorite people in the UH

1209
00:59:18,760 --> 00:59:22,120
Speaker 1: football media. He's great. He's a great flex guy too.

1210
00:59:22,160 --> 00:59:26,520
Speaker 1: If you're you know, fantasy media team, Yeah, you could

1211
00:59:26,520 --> 00:59:28,320
Speaker 1: put him in. He can play any position. That's a

1212
00:59:28,320 --> 00:59:30,280
Speaker 1: good that's a good point. Well, on Thursday night, we're

1213
00:59:30,280 --> 00:59:33,080
Speaker 1: gonna have Kevin Patra coming at you straight from the

1214
00:59:33,120 --> 00:59:36,920
Speaker 1: studio with Chris and I and gold Standard behind the glass.

1215
00:59:36,960 --> 00:59:40,760
Speaker 1: We're gonna have Mark and Dan coming to you after

1216
00:59:40,880 --> 00:59:43,920
Speaker 1: midnight in their hotel rooms because that's just what they

1217
00:59:43,960 --> 00:59:46,640
Speaker 1: do and we're gonna break down all the first round,

1218
00:59:46,960 --> 00:59:50,400
Speaker 1: best picks, worst picks, look ahead a little bit to

1219
00:59:50,440 --> 00:59:52,240
Speaker 1: the rest of the draft. So that's gonna drop if

1220
00:59:52,280 --> 00:59:55,800
Speaker 1: you're on the East coast of the US, that's gonna

1221
00:59:55,800 --> 00:59:58,600
Speaker 1: be dropping after midnight overnight and it will be ready

1222
00:59:58,640 --> 01:00:04,440
Speaker 1: for you Friday morning. Until then, I'm Greg Rosenthal signing

1223
01:00:04,480 --> 01:00:08,800
Speaker 1: off for Chris Westling Zack the gold Standard, the Sizzler,

1224
01:00:09,520 --> 01:00:12,160
Speaker 1: and Dan hans Has from New York. We will talk

1225
01:00:12,160 --> 01:00:19,040
Speaker 1: to you Thursday night. It's like I love Jane Austen,

1226
01:00:19,080 --> 01:00:22,880
Speaker 1: which is probably the family thing. To admit, I haven't

1227
01:00:22,920 --> 01:00:24,919
Speaker 1: really read that. I'm a huge fan of middle Mark