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Speaker 3: Our number two of the drive here on campus and Man, Matt,

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Speaker 3: Normally right now, things would really be heat.

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Speaker 4: Man, it's nice out right now.

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Speaker 3: It's it's very nice out right now, although still soggy

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Speaker 3: down there. They did I didn't notice, but they got

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Speaker 3: those extension cords and everything nobody got so nobody got

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Speaker 3: zapp So that's good. No workers comp down here with

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Speaker 3: the extension cordsless some still some big puddling in some

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Speaker 4: Very soft.

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Speaker 3: We've got two of the groundskeeper guys are kind of

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Speaker 3: walking around and doing some assessing here.

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Speaker 4: Their conversations like, oh thank god, they didn't practice their conversations.

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Speaker 3: Like their conversation right now is probably like you know what,

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Speaker 3: this might end up pretty well in the long term,

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Speaker 3: we get another day of you know, letting this field

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Speaker 3: rest and everything. Yeah, but yeah, so if you if

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Speaker 3: you missed it, if you're hopping in late practice today

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Speaker 3: soaked out there right now, despite the weather looking a

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Speaker 3: little bit better. Quiet campus. If you're heading here this way,

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Speaker 3: if you were maybe hoping to catch the back half

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Speaker 3: of practice or something, turn around and at home, don't

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Speaker 3: because they're not gonna They're not gonna let you in here.

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Speaker 3: Everything is closed now to the public.

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Speaker 4: They're walking through it in a gym, as we've been.

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Speaker 3: And they are walking through in a gym couple hundred

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Speaker 3: yards away from us as we speak. So that gives

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Speaker 3: Matt and I kind of an open show today. We've

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Speaker 3: got plenty more to discuss. We're also inviting your tweets

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Speaker 3: if you want to get involved. We'll take some of

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Speaker 3: those before we get out of here. Got a couple already,

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Speaker 3: keep those rolling in. He's Williamson NFL. I'm Wesley Yuler

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Speaker 3: on Twitter on X and kind of piggybacking off what

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Speaker 3: we talked about. Uh, And these are the type of

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Speaker 3: conversations that can be fascinating to me, Matt. Are like

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Speaker 3: the minutia the margins of winning and losing in any sport.

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Speaker 3: But as you mentioned one, like football, that's a very

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Speaker 3: small sample size. Yeah, Pirates play one hundred and sixty

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Speaker 3: two games a year. Penguins play eighty two games a year.

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Speaker 3: If you've got a favorite NBA team, they play eighty

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Speaker 3: two games a year. This is seventeen games. And that's

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Speaker 3: it I.

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Speaker 4: Was gonna kick out of. Even if, even if you're

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Speaker 4: the fan of the best baseball team in the in

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Speaker 4: the middle some games a year, right, they go on

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Speaker 4: to three game losing streak, No one really loses their mind.

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Speaker 4: Any team in the NFL goes on a three game

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Speaker 4: losing streak, The guy's oh boy, right.

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Speaker 3: You know, right, one hundred percent? And we understand that.

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Speaker 3: And I think with that a lot of those thin

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Speaker 3: margins of victory, what's the teams that win close games?

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Speaker 3: Whereus the teams that lose them? That gets like digging

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Speaker 3: into the why of that gets is more and more

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Speaker 3: interesting for me in football than any other sport.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, if I can increase my chance of winning by

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Speaker 4: two percent by some small little thing that we're doing,

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Speaker 4: let's do it.

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Speaker 3: If the teams that have winning records are doing this

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Speaker 3: the majority of the time, yeah, let's do it. Obviously,

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Speaker 3: the Steelers under Mike Tomlin recently and historically, they've had

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Speaker 3: a knack for winning those close games.

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Speaker 4: They really do.

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Speaker 3: Tomlin has one of the highest win percentages of a

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Speaker 3: coach in those one score games.

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Speaker 4: Okay, I'm gonna stop you super quick because this is

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Speaker 4: a very analytically but generic philosophy, because it does hold

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Speaker 4: up one score games and or close games if you

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Speaker 4: almanacs that I've been talking about, we'll definitely say chances

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Speaker 4: are a little bit. Yeah, chances are you will aggressed

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Speaker 4: rough year for him, they are one to nine than

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Speaker 4: one score games, they'll probably be six and five. Maybe

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Speaker 4: it won't, but history shows those are the teams that

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Speaker 4: change a drastic amount. You know, if you're really strong

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Speaker 4: one by the other in one score games versus not,

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Speaker 4: you're probably going to go the opposite direction the following

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Speaker 4: year just bound to happen. Small sample size, everyone gets

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Speaker 4: a bounce. Blah blah blah blah blah. Kind of accept

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Speaker 4: the Steelers and kind of accept Tomlin.

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Speaker 3: I mean, like the like the Brady and Belichick Patriots rule,

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Speaker 3: but like that's those have been the exceptions, right.

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Speaker 4: I mean, now there are teams that are better at

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Speaker 4: than others. Mahomes and Reed are really good too, right,

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Speaker 4: I mean, the great, the great combinations in NFL hit.

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Speaker 3: The teams that don't blink and have the right quarterback

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Speaker 4: And yeah, but Tomlin's had He's about to have his

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Speaker 4: fifth opening day starting quarterback, and yes, having been back

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Speaker 4: in the day was wonderful. But this team bucks a

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Speaker 4: lot of analytic trends, including one score games. We can

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Speaker 4: speculate why. I mean, maybe they're a little more physical

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Speaker 4: and when the game gets tough they start to take over.

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Speaker 4: Or I mean, I love you fans, but I don't

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Speaker 4: think you have this unbelievable home field advantage that no

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Speaker 4: one else does. You know that Green Bay doesn't, or.

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Speaker 3: The Steelers are at the top of the list. But

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Speaker 3: there's a lot of teams that have very good home

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Speaker 4: Right, it's a good one, but I mean it's not

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Speaker 4: good for three wins a year. Sure, you know what

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Speaker 3: It's not something like that, that's not Cameron Indoor Stadium.

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Speaker 4: I mean having Boswell certainly helps.

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Speaker 3: That's where I was going with this conversation too.

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Speaker 4: But it's definitely a Tomlin trend. You know, like there's

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Speaker 4: some bad ones too. They're slow starters, but they're great

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Speaker 4: at the winning. The tight one you know, when the

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Speaker 4: game's on the line or you know it's going to

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Speaker 4: be down to a bounce here and there, tends to

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Speaker 4: goes Steelers way more than a doesn't you know. And

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Speaker 4: there's a lot at data to back that up.

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Speaker 3: There's a lot of data back that up. And one

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Speaker 3: of those data points is Chris Boswell, yes, and how

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Speaker 3: money he is and how reliable he's been in those

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Speaker 3: situations for the Steelers. So to continue with some of

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Speaker 3: these numbers to piggyback off of what we were just

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Speaker 3: talking about, a big part of the Steelers winning those

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Speaker 3: games and having that success again next year is is

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Speaker 3: directly tied to Chris Boswell and his performance. Yes, best

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Speaker 3: field goal and extra points, value over expectation in the

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Speaker 3: twenty first century. In the twenty first century, Chris Bosswell

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Speaker 3: was fifth last.

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Speaker 4: His season is what they're saying, basically is his kicker

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Speaker 4: season was the fifth best in the last twenty five

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Speaker 3: And in terms of the value and the points above

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Speaker 3: expected that he provided for your team.

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Speaker 4: Absolutely, in terms of the conditions you had to kick in,

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Speaker 4: in terms of from how far away they are, those

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Speaker 4: type of things, the average kicker would have the average

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Speaker 4: kicker would have got you eighty points. He got one

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Speaker 4: hundred and ten or whatever it is, you know what.

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Speaker 3: I mean, thirteen out of fifteen from behind fifty yards

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Speaker 4: That's insane. So there's a couple of layers there. First off,

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Speaker 4: having an awesome kicker is great, and he's an awesome kicker.

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Speaker 4: And I believe that, you know, Justin Tucker gave the

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Speaker 3: Look at all the other names that are at the

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Speaker 3: it's Justin Tucker. It's a bastion of Janakowski, Yeah, Mike

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Speaker 4: And so having a great one usually translates year after

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Speaker 4: year after year. But we also had this conversation too,

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Speaker 4: like their red zone offense was pretty poor. What if

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Speaker 4: Boz wouldn't have been getting you three? I mean, how

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Speaker 4: bad could have things gone with the combination of the two.

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Speaker 4: Now he's still gonna get you three. But there is

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Speaker 4: a line somewhere in that article about well, you can't

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Speaker 4: expect more from your kicker than you got last Like,

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Speaker 4: I mean, it's probably the ceiling. I mean, because it's

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Speaker 4: historically great.

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Speaker 3: Probably the best season of kickers ever had in franchise history.

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Speaker 4: So even if he has a tremendous Pro Bowl season

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Speaker 4: and misses three percent more kicks, it's probably as good

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Speaker 4: as you're gonna get from him, you know what I mean,

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Speaker 4: Because it's awesome, you know. So in a way, you

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Speaker 4: can look at it a negative way, like, well, you're

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Speaker 4: kicking things will probably regress a little a little, you know,

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Speaker 4: even if you have the best kicker in the league.

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Speaker 3: Yeah no, And that's that's a good point by you.

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Speaker 3: And that's another one of those kind of the margins

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Speaker 3: the minutia of a team like the Steelers. But to

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Speaker 3: to to tie it into what we were just talking

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Speaker 3: at wide receiver. One right, If you upgrade at running back,

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Speaker 3: maybe not by an individual, but in the aggregate throughout.

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Speaker 4: The season, your running game improves.

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Speaker 3: If Chris Boswell takes a two percent step back, you

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Speaker 3: don't even know. You're still in a much better position.

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Speaker 4: You're still in the red or whatever. I mean, You're

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Speaker 4: still made money.

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Speaker 3: Correct correct, Like as much as Chris Boswell got them

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Speaker 3: threes at times when they were stalling out, Maybe you

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Speaker 3: back of the end zone.

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Speaker 4: Rogers throws five more touchdown passes than you would have.

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Speaker 3: Too him out Thereswell missus three extra kicks, you're still

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Speaker 3: scoring more points than you would have.

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Speaker 4: Or you don't stall out for the fifty five yard

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Speaker 4: kick that he makes. Instead, you got a first down there,

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Speaker 4: you know. So again, it's a team game. One thing

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Speaker 4: I learned from football Siders then in this same book

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Speaker 4: that I very much believe in, though, is field goal luck,

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Speaker 4: and that is you can't control what your opponents do

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Speaker 4: once it comes off. There's no real art to making

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Speaker 3: You maybe calling a time out or right, maybe you're

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Speaker 3: a little better.

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Speaker 4: And the Steelers have been the best in the league

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Speaker 4: at blocking punts and blocking kicks in the league. But

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Speaker 4: all in all, whether it goes through the uprights or not,

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Speaker 4: when the opponent kicks, it has little to do with

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Speaker 4: the defense. And the Steelers were in the middle the

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Speaker 4: middle of the league in terms of field goal luck.

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Speaker 4: I just wanted to throw that out there, though we

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Speaker 4: don't talk field goals very much, but that's one of

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Speaker 4: those things too that these real advanced nerds will we

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Speaker 4: even look at and be like, man, I think it

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Speaker 4: was the Jets. Actually, the Jets might have been the

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Speaker 4: least luckiest team. I'll hould up tonight, like everybody made

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Speaker 4: their kicks against the Jets, you know, like it's not

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Speaker 4: our fault, you know, we need we need someone to

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Speaker 3: Would have blocked a couple in the grand scheme of things, right, right, right, So.

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Speaker 4: Now, causing fumbles a different world, totally different world. Steelers

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Speaker 3: Good news, the sun is back out here, beautiful and

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Speaker 3: We got plenty of time.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, we got plenty of time. And you and I

438
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Speaker 4: have touched on this, and I very much believe, as

439
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Speaker 4: do most people to do what we do for a living,

440
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Speaker 4: that sacks are as much of a quarterback as they

441
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Speaker 4: are O line status. You know that, you really think

442
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Speaker 4: about it. You don't have to take a sack.

443
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Speaker 3: Tom Brady hardly ever took it exactly. Joe Burrow has

444
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Speaker 3: gotten much better in the last couple of years than

445
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Speaker 3: the beginning of his career.

446
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Speaker 4: He took tons. Now sometimes it's like Burrow early in

447
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Speaker 4: his career I'm going to hold this thing to the

448
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Speaker 4: very last second and wait for my guy to uncover,

449
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Speaker 4: and I might hit a seventy yarder because of it.

450
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Speaker 3: But I also might get a significant knee injury.

451
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Speaker 4: For whole time, we're also getting crushed and right, and

452
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Speaker 4: your O line wasn't great, so you're trusting them more

453
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Speaker 4: than you should too. Ben took a lot of sacks

454
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Speaker 4: and made it work extremely well. I remember, very late

455
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Speaker 4: in his career he was approaching Brady for most sacks

456
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Speaker 4: ever taken by a quarterback. This is where I'm going

457
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Speaker 4: with Rogers, but played like a hundred fewer games. Sure, sure,

458
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Speaker 4: I didn't know Rogers lead led the league in sacks

459
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Speaker 4: in history.

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Speaker 3: I assumed it was Brady by one. He leaves okay,

461
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Speaker 3: fran Tarkington and then Tom Brady. But because seventy one times, can.

462
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Speaker 4: Imagine gtting sacks five hundred and seventy one times, by

463
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Speaker 4: the way.

464
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Speaker 3: To get exacked one time, right, let alone five hundred. Right,

465
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Speaker 3: Although if my career earnings were approaching half a billion dollars,

466
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Speaker 3: I'd be willing to try.

467
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Speaker 4: He's still would do only take two?

468
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Speaker 3: Still, right, then I'm done?

469
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Speaker 4: So where I'm going with this on the first of all,

470
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Speaker 4: on the conversation is, yes, he's the most sacked quarterback

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Speaker 4: of all time.

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Speaker 3: That's fifth all time by the way.

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Speaker 4: Okay, but look at the game difference. It's because he's

474
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Speaker 4: played a million games. You're gonna get sacked a lot

475
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Speaker 4: if he played a million games. And Rogers, much like

476
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Speaker 4: Burrow early in his career, was more of a hold

477
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Speaker 4: the ball late in the down type of guy for sure.

478
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Speaker 4: Out if you do sacks per game, I bet Rogers

479
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Speaker 4: is not amongst the leaders.

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Speaker 3: Interesting, I'll see if I can.

481
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Speaker 4: Feel what I mean, Like, is Russell Wilson close there?

482
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Speaker 3: I know you just look at the fourth all time,

483
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Speaker 3: he's in front of Ben.

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Speaker 4: I bet he played a lot fewer sack fewer games

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Speaker 4: than Brady or Rogers.

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Speaker 3: Well, sure, Brady have twenty two years in the league.

487
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Speaker 3: Russ is on your thirteen. That's what I'm saying, So

488
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Speaker 3: that that's a perfect way to put it. Yet he's

489
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Speaker 3: so they're in the same strategy despite nine less years. Yes,

490
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Speaker 3: he's five sacks less than Tom. See so Tom's average

491
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Speaker 3: sack per game is way lower.

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Speaker 4: Right, and Rogers is way lower.

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Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying, Like that's a that's a perfect

494
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Speaker 3: way of putting it.

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Speaker 4: And we're lucky enough to use this as contact as

496
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Speaker 4: Wilson was a quarterback here last year.

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Speaker 3: Okay, you're a basketball player. You can score me twenty

498
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Speaker 3: points a game, But how many shots do you need

499
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Speaker 3: to get twenty points a game?

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Speaker 4: Or how many years do you need to? Say?

501
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Speaker 3: Steph Curry can get it in six or seven shots,

502
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Speaker 3: you know what I mean. But some guys might need

503
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Speaker 3: twelve or thirteen shots to score twenty.

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Speaker 4: If you're the all time hit king, but you played

505
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Speaker 4: ten years longer than everybody else. So really got to

506
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Speaker 4: look at it in like a sacks per game scenario.

507
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Speaker 4: And I knew this. I didn't know Wilson was even

508
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Speaker 4: that high. So this backs my point up even more

509
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Speaker 4: and way less games than the guys ahead of him.

510
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Speaker 4: I mean the Brady and Rogers for sure. So I

511
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Speaker 4: just know, like over the last decade or so, two

512
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Speaker 4: of the most sacked quarterbacks per dropback are fields and bulls.

513
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Speaker 4: It's part of its style play, part of it's not

514
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Speaker 4: being quick processors. Well, that's style of play. Better athletes

515
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Speaker 4: can also take more sacks because they're going to extend plays.

516
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Speaker 4: You know what I mean, there's there's some good that

517
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Speaker 4: happens to it. Again, Ben was a top notch athlete

518
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Speaker 4: in his best days too, and there's so many times

519
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Speaker 4: where he shrugs off Terrell Suggs and makes a big throw.

520
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Speaker 4: So there is a balance to it all. You know, Brady,

521
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Speaker 4: as great as Rogers was, he was not the physical

522
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Speaker 4: oak Tree that Ben was. Where I don't mind taking

523
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Speaker 4: the hit. The Josh Allen guys you know that might

524
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Speaker 4: shrug off the sack real quick. For yeah.

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Speaker 3: Place of all quarterbacks in NFL history that have at

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Speaker 3: least fifteen starts.

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Speaker 4: Oh okay, so small, pretty small.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, there's a lot of guys in Caleb Williams leads

529
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Speaker 3: all time in the average of most sacks.

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Speaker 4: Because I was about to bring him up a big.

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Speaker 3: Average on average of four times per game. He's been

532
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Speaker 3: sacked sixty eight times already in.

533
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Speaker 4: One season, right, and everyone's gonna be like, well, the

534
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Speaker 4: Bear's OH line was terrible. Yes, the Bears O.

535
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Speaker 3: Line way too long, way too.

536
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Speaker 4: He was a rookie. He was in over his head.

537
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Speaker 4: His O line was bad. His system was bad. That

538
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Speaker 4: being said, West, if you pull up any scouting report

539
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Speaker 4: on Caleb Williams, who was the first overall pick in

540
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Speaker 4: the draft. Big time. This guy takes way too many sacks,

541
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Speaker 4: and then his apologist will be like, well, yeah, but

542
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Speaker 4: his his O line his last year wasn't very good.

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Speaker 4: It still was us sez oh line, right, I mean,

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Speaker 4: I'm sure.

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Speaker 3: It was two and three stars, right.

546
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Speaker 4: Right right? I mean like Cutler at Vanderbilt had me

547
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Speaker 4: and you blocking for him in the SEC. That's different.

548
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Speaker 4: He still went to USC and what do he takes

549
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Speaker 4: sixty some sacks last year, sayl Williams.

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Speaker 3: Sixty eight I think was the number I just said, right, yeah, yep,

551
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Speaker 3: sixty eight and seventeen games.

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Speaker 4: That's still much on him, much much on him. He

553
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Speaker 4: I mean, the new head coach in Chicago has to

554
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Speaker 4: get that out of him. Peyton Manning in his prime,

555
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Speaker 4: in that EXAC scenario in Chicago probably takes nineteen. Yeah,

556
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Speaker 4: you know what I mean. Yeah, you know where it's

557
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Speaker 4: coming from. You get the ball out and we've we've

558
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Speaker 4: been very analytical.

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Speaker 3: Peyton Manning was average of a sacked and average of

560
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Speaker 3: one sorry to interrupt, I'm period one point one times

561
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Speaker 3: per game in his career.

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Speaker 4: That's awesome. And he threw b all a ton.

563
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Speaker 3: Aaron Rodgers two point three times, but it was pretty

564
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Speaker 3: it was it was like upwards of threes early in

565
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Speaker 3: his career.

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Speaker 4: I bet it was the early career stuff.

567
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Speaker 3: If you look at it over the last five years,

568
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Speaker 3: one point two five, one point eight one point eight

569
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Speaker 3: one last year okay, two point three. Not as mobile,

570
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Speaker 3: bad Jets team he's trying to do much.

571
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Speaker 4: But they also had a lot of line injuries and

572
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Speaker 4: drafted a line in the first round since he left.

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Speaker 3: His last three years in Green Bay one point two five,

574
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Speaker 3: one point eight, one point eight average sacks per game.

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Speaker 4: Now, I'm not picking on Ben, but we all remember

576
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Speaker 4: Ben's last year the ball came out, wasn't thrilled about

577
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Speaker 4: getting hit, And there's some of that to worry about

578
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Speaker 4: with Rogers right now. Very late, awesome career.

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Speaker 3: Two Ben's number really well, that's not a bad I

580
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Speaker 3: thought higher, but if you look at it too, when

581
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Speaker 3: he got to like twenty fifteen, it d I mean,

582
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Speaker 3: it dropped off a cliff.

583
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Speaker 4: Yeah, you know he was.

584
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Speaker 3: He was averaging close to three a season and then

585
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Speaker 3: one point six one point one point four, one point

586
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Speaker 3: five his last year point eight seven. So he did

587
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Speaker 3: like you could go too far too. He did, like

588
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Speaker 3: the opposite of Jerome bettis where Jero you know, like

589
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Speaker 3: his his just his he He kind of figured it

590
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Speaker 3: out there and maybe did go too far times.

591
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Speaker 4: But if you're not holding the ball and your stumping

592
00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:04,480
Speaker 4: at Nagy harriskid out of your hand, that's not what

593
00:27:04,520 --> 00:27:07,560
Speaker 4: we're looking for here, correct, but there is. You also

594
00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:09,359
Speaker 4: don't want to be fields In Wilson last year or

595
00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:13,199
Speaker 4: Caleb Williams. I mean, I don't have the stats, but

596
00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:17,840
Speaker 4: this shouldn't shock anybody. But it's more extreme than you think.

597
00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:21,800
Speaker 4: Points scored on a drive where an offense takes the

598
00:27:21,920 --> 00:27:25,200
Speaker 4: sack versus points scored on a drive when they don't

599
00:27:26,119 --> 00:27:29,520
Speaker 4: is like drastically different, unbelievably different, unbelievably different.

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Speaker 3: That's why five edge rushers like they do.

601
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Speaker 4: And left tackles who are defined and all these type

602
00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:37,360
Speaker 4: of things. I mean, yeah, it's like five points difference

603
00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:43,879
Speaker 4: on average score something insane. So you can't do it now.

604
00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:46,879
Speaker 4: Some can get away with it more than others. Rogers,

605
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Speaker 4: I hope to the point is not where I just

606
00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:50,600
Speaker 4: don't want to get hit gated out of my hands.

607
00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:52,240
Speaker 4: We saw a little bit of that with the Jets,

608
00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:54,120
Speaker 4: and that was also coming off injury with a batter line.

609
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Speaker 4: But I'm not making excuses for him. There's some there's

610
00:27:56,200 --> 00:27:59,280
Speaker 4: some tape there that's concerning, and then to Ben was similar.

611
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Speaker 4: But I do think because of his pre snap recognition

612
00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:06,040
Speaker 4: never gonna be fooled by a blitz or where it's

613
00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:09,840
Speaker 4: coming from. I still will definitely stand on my soapbox

614
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Speaker 4: at the Steelers sack numbers. Unless their A line falls apart,

615
00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:16,440
Speaker 4: which again is our big concern, we'll go down.

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Speaker 3: So it looks like if I'm if I'm over, the

617
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Speaker 3: last couple of years, average Aaron Rodgers has been taking

618
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Speaker 3: a half sec sack less than Russell Wilson per game.

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Speaker 3: You've had that up over the course of the season,

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Speaker 3: eight or nine less sacks a game that you're that

621
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Speaker 3: you're gonna take. That's right, that's a big deal.

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Speaker 4: Not to mention the sacks that end up in a

623
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Speaker 4: forced fumble or a turnover or you know, you know.

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Speaker 3: And if you look at like the most of the

625
00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:43,680
Speaker 3: better quarterbacks in the league, the Staffords, the Rogers, the Herberts,

626
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Speaker 3: they're on the back half of those average sacks per game.

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Speaker 4: Okay, taken.

628
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Speaker 3: Where's the top of the list is Kayleb Williams, Sam

629
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Speaker 3: how Tommy DeVito, Deshaun Watson, Zach Wilson, Will Levis, Spencer Rattler,

630
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Speaker 3: A lot of company you don't want to keep.

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Speaker 4: Absolutely, Daniel Jones, you know, yeah, it's a huge thing.

632
00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:02,800
Speaker 3: And Rice Young averaging over three per game in his

633
00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:03,760
Speaker 3: career right now.

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Speaker 4: And not all of those guys have been on great teams,

635
00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:09,440
Speaker 4: but no doubt that's on them. A lot of type,

636
00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:10,640
Speaker 4: a lot of that's on them.

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00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:12,600
Speaker 3: You're not on a great team, but you're not helping

638
00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:14,040
Speaker 3: your poor team either.

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Speaker 4: The other thing people were really stressing lately too, is

640
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Speaker 4: pressure to sack ratio. When the league says, okay, that's

641
00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:25,800
Speaker 4: a pressure. The quarterback was under pressure on that play,

642
00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:29,960
Speaker 4: that means something went wrong obviously, either unblocked defender or

643
00:29:30,080 --> 00:29:32,360
Speaker 4: someone got beat, or even if it's late in the down,

644
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Speaker 4: a pressure was occurred. How many of those turned into

645
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Speaker 4: true sacks? The great quarterbacks, whether you avoid the pressure

646
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Speaker 4: your lamar, here comes the pressure. I think it out

647
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Speaker 4: of the way. I didn't take a sack. I ran

648
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Speaker 4: twenty yards on field right, threw a strike.

649
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Speaker 3: I ran three yards down the way or whatever, I

650
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Speaker 3: didn't take a sack.

651
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Speaker 4: That is a huge way of looking at truly on

652
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Speaker 4: the quarterback, because then it takes the surroundings out of it.

653
00:29:57,360 --> 00:30:01,440
Speaker 4: It starts that stat starts with Okay, now I'm under pressure.

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Speaker 4: What happens from there?

655
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Speaker 3: You can't control the two and a half seconds that

656
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Speaker 3: you get before you're under pressure, right right right at

657
00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:09,200
Speaker 3: that point.

658
00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:11,680
Speaker 4: But now I'm under pressure? Did I take the sack

659
00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:14,520
Speaker 4: or not? But like pressure to sack ratio is a

660
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Speaker 4: big thing.

661
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Speaker 3: No, this I've like enjoyed looking at this year. You

662
00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:18,480
Speaker 3: learn a lot, you do.

663
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Speaker 4: That's a good question on quarterback.

664
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Speaker 3: It's a good question by Asen there to uh.

665
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Speaker 4: Kin kind of tea whole segment on this stuff.

666
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Speaker 3: Right, Oh absolutely, we just almost kind of did there.

667
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Speaker 4: Yeah, Caleb Williams four sacks again, belie unbelievably bad, right.

668
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Speaker 3: Like the only other people in the league that are

669
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Speaker 3: even close about the only people in the league that

670
00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:40,000
Speaker 3: are above three and a half, Sam howl and Tommy DeVito.

671
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Speaker 3: Oh it's not company you want to keep kayleb Right.

672
00:30:43,040 --> 00:30:45,960
Speaker 4: Sam Howe's a little bit of that Johnny Knoxville feel

673
00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:47,520
Speaker 4: to him too. You know, he's a run around and

674
00:30:47,560 --> 00:30:51,120
Speaker 4: bounce off people. Guy, you know, right, crash bandicoot exactly.

675
00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:55,840
Speaker 4: Let's think Rogers is gonna be that guy. Folks. We

676
00:30:55,880 --> 00:30:58,960
Speaker 4: almost could have cut this off on this question whenever

677
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Speaker 4: you pulled up the sack leader and been like Russell Wilson,

678
00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:07,440
Speaker 4: who here was here last year, played thirteen years and

679
00:31:07,560 --> 00:31:10,400
Speaker 4: Rodgers has played what twenty two? Yes, and they have

680
00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:11,000
Speaker 4: five sacks.

681
00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:12,920
Speaker 3: Difference between the day they have you can count them

682
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Speaker 3: on your fingers.

683
00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:15,760
Speaker 4: Right, and neither one's ass significant time with injury. It's

684
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Speaker 4: not like one of them miss five years because of

685
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Speaker 4: bad these or whatever. You know what I mean. That's

686
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Speaker 4: a difference, folks, right that that's not an accident.

687
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Speaker 3: That was a fun exercise.

688
00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:23,960
Speaker 4: Yeah.

689
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Speaker 3: Yeah, along the same line, let's take this one here

690
00:31:27,120 --> 00:31:29,000
Speaker 3: too before we go to break, all right, Mark tweets

691
00:31:29,040 --> 00:31:32,360
Speaker 3: us and says, the MVP quarterback with a late career

692
00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:35,040
Speaker 3: team change. You know, historically a lot of for the

693
00:31:35,040 --> 00:31:37,320
Speaker 3: most part, hasn't worked, but there's also been examples like

694
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Speaker 3: Manning and Brady winning super Bowls with new teams. Yeah,

695
00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:43,000
Speaker 3: trying not to get excited, but I think Rogers is

696
00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:44,680
Speaker 3: on that level. Am I drinking the kool aid or

697
00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:46,080
Speaker 3: with this defense, can he do it?

698
00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:51,480
Speaker 4: He's on that level for sure in terms of an

699
00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:52,920
Speaker 4: all times. I mean, there are all three of them

700
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Speaker 4: in the top ten. Ever, they all have their similar

701
00:31:57,000 --> 00:32:01,200
Speaker 4: say anyone has similar career accomplishments of Brady's not quite fair,

702
00:32:01,280 --> 00:32:08,040
Speaker 4: but they've all been elite super Bowl rings from Yeah,

703
00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:13,400
Speaker 4: but I will definitely say the today's version of Rogers

704
00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:16,360
Speaker 4: is a better football player than that version of Manning

705
00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:18,680
Speaker 4: that went to Denver. Well, not the version that went

706
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Speaker 4: to Denver, but the one that won the Super Bowl.

707
00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:22,680
Speaker 4: There he was a shell of himself. That was defense,

708
00:32:22,760 --> 00:32:24,600
Speaker 4: running game, and him from the neck up.

709
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Speaker 3: When they went to the Super Bowl the first time

710
00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:28,000
Speaker 3: and lost to Seattle, he.

711
00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:31,120
Speaker 4: Was still forty touchdowns were right.

712
00:32:31,120 --> 00:32:33,000
Speaker 3: But by the time they beat Cam Newton and the Panthers,

713
00:32:33,040 --> 00:32:34,720
Speaker 3: it was run the ball and play defense.

714
00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:37,760
Speaker 4: Brady was starting to slow down a little his last

715
00:32:37,760 --> 00:32:40,360
Speaker 4: stint in New England, but turned into a stud again

716
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Speaker 4: with the Bucks. Obviously. I mean, if you can get

717
00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:45,920
Speaker 4: that version, great, or if you can get early version

718
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Speaker 4: Denver Manning version, great, But I do think it's noteworthy

719
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Speaker 4: and I don't know that you can even still do this.

720
00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:56,480
Speaker 4: Does that Manning's last season in Denver, they won the

721
00:32:56,480 --> 00:32:59,800
Speaker 4: Super Bowl based almost entirely on defense, not turn the

722
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Speaker 4: ball over, running the ball. And he's super smart quarterback.

723
00:33:03,040 --> 00:33:04,480
Speaker 4: I mean, he was still good for the name.

724
00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:05,920
Speaker 3: Made the right plays in the right time.

725
00:33:06,040 --> 00:33:08,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, And that's great And historically that's one a ton

726
00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:11,840
Speaker 4: of Super Bowls over the years. That's a tough formula

727
00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:13,920
Speaker 4: now because you've got to still gotta beat Alan Lamar

728
00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:18,120
Speaker 4: and Mahomes. You know, like eventually there's a superhero on

729
00:33:18,160 --> 00:33:19,600
Speaker 4: the other side. You know, there's a.

730
00:33:19,520 --> 00:33:21,400
Speaker 3: Lot of them in your own conference right before you

731
00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:22,720
Speaker 3: can get to a super Bowl.

732
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Speaker 4: But it should inspire some hope. There's some history here

733
00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:30,480
Speaker 4: recently of superstar legend easy Hall of Fame or first

734
00:33:30,520 --> 00:33:34,240
Speaker 4: ballot guys having success in a new spot and a

735
00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:35,160
Speaker 4: lot of success.

736
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Speaker 3: If you are sitting here thinking there's no reason why

737
00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:41,960
Speaker 3: this team shouldn't be better than last year, I don't

738
00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:44,880
Speaker 3: think that's trick and kool aid. Right now. You got

739
00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:48,040
Speaker 3: to say, hey, that that that doesn't equate for the

740
00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:50,120
Speaker 3: gauntlet that you might have to run of Baltimore and

741
00:33:50,160 --> 00:33:55,000
Speaker 3: Buffalo and Kansas City. But I think if the Steelers

742
00:33:55,240 --> 00:33:57,480
Speaker 3: are in a playoff position like they were last year.

743
00:33:57,520 --> 00:33:59,840
Speaker 3: In January rolls around, I think we'll be feeling much

744
00:33:59,880 --> 00:34:02,880
Speaker 3: better about our chances to maybe win a game or

745
00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:05,000
Speaker 3: even go on a run, as opposed to how we

746
00:34:05,040 --> 00:34:06,880
Speaker 3: all felt heading into Baltimore last year.

747
00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:09,319
Speaker 4: And I think you corrected me on this. We were

748
00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:12,239
Speaker 4: on the air together two months ago whatever, right after

749
00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:15,000
Speaker 4: Rogers got it. Maybe it was given OTAs that there's

750
00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:17,400
Speaker 4: some famous country song of I don't need to be

751
00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:19,239
Speaker 4: as good as I was then, but I only need

752
00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:19,480
Speaker 4: to be.

753
00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:21,839
Speaker 3: As good as I once was. But I'm as good

754
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Speaker 3: once as I ever was.

755
00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:25,840
Speaker 4: And if Rogers can be that on a Sunday in

756
00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:29,600
Speaker 4: Kansas City in the postseason, the old gun slander might

757
00:34:29,680 --> 00:34:30,600
Speaker 4: have something, you know what I mean.

758
00:34:31,719 --> 00:34:35,120
Speaker 3: And that's the when when you got to Baltimore last year,

759
00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:36,680
Speaker 3: it felt like you needed you were gonna need a

760
00:34:36,680 --> 00:34:37,320
Speaker 3: miracle to win that.

761
00:34:37,480 --> 00:34:37,680
Speaker 4: Yeah.

762
00:34:37,719 --> 00:34:40,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, they were playing so well, you were playing so poorly.

763
00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:43,239
Speaker 3: It just felt like the script of having Baltimore's having

764
00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:48,799
Speaker 3: Baltimore's number had flipped. Whereas this year, like I think

765
00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:51,080
Speaker 3: they'll it won't matter who you're even if it's Baltimore,

766
00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:52,800
Speaker 3: even if it's Buffalo, even if it's Kansas City. It

767
00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:55,320
Speaker 3: might It'll be like, hey, if we played them ten times,

768
00:34:55,320 --> 00:34:57,719
Speaker 3: they probably win eight. Yeah, yeah, seven or eight.

769
00:34:57,760 --> 00:34:57,920
Speaker 4: You know.

770
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Speaker 3: But but but this, you know, we could get them once.

771
00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:02,560
Speaker 3: We can Aaron Rodgers as good as he once was

772
00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:05,560
Speaker 3: one time for three hours, we can knock these guys off. Yeah,

773
00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:07,040
Speaker 3: you get a bound, you get some of that fumble

774
00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:08,719
Speaker 3: luck or field goal luck that we were talking about.

775
00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:11,280
Speaker 4: He's just feeling it, yeah, I mean, because it's been

776
00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:13,680
Speaker 4: in him, you know what I mean, we have seen

777
00:35:13,719 --> 00:35:16,160
Speaker 4: it before, you know where he's doing the thing with

778
00:35:16,200 --> 00:35:18,359
Speaker 4: the belt or makes us throw that no one else

779
00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:19,600
Speaker 4: on the planet can met, you know what I mean,

780
00:35:19,719 --> 00:35:22,640
Speaker 4: Like that, we've seen that recently, you sure have.

781
00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:25,040
Speaker 3: I like some of that swagger and attitude coming back

782
00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:27,480
Speaker 3: to this team as well. Yeah, Yeah, Aaron's got some

783
00:35:27,520 --> 00:35:30,720
Speaker 3: swagger and attitude. Sleigh and Rams, he got some swagger

784
00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:33,400
Speaker 3: and attitude. They've been They've got some guys who are

785
00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:35,520
Speaker 3: who are not afraid to talk to talk and walk

786
00:35:35,560 --> 00:35:37,440
Speaker 3: the walk. I'm looking forward to that. Let's take a

787
00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:39,359
Speaker 3: break here, Matt. We'll continue with this exercise. We've got

788
00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:41,480
Speaker 3: more tweets rolling in, more good questions. You know where

789
00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:44,000
Speaker 3: to get at us if you want to get involved. Williamson, NFL,

790
00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:47,320
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Speaker 3: bit here on the drive and we are rolling with

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Speaker 3: Back on the Drive here as it is a different

805
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Speaker 3: day on campus. Practice moved indoors an abbreviated one walk

806
00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:49,640
Speaker 3: through styled if you will, as the Steelers kind of

807
00:36:49,640 --> 00:36:52,840
Speaker 3: doing what they can with a less than ideal scenario,

808
00:36:53,600 --> 00:36:56,160
Speaker 3: just a crazy amount of rain started coming down right

809
00:36:56,160 --> 00:36:59,840
Speaker 3: at about two o'clock when practice began. There are still

810
00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:02,160
Speaker 3: even now close to two hours later, in the sun

811
00:37:02,200 --> 00:37:04,279
Speaker 3: being out, still some puddles and things like that in

812
00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:07,040
Speaker 3: different areas of the end zones that the grounds crew

813
00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:11,239
Speaker 3: are trying to get everything ready. So hey, a little

814
00:37:11,239 --> 00:37:13,239
Speaker 3: bit of a letdown, But it's nobody's fault. I mean, yeah,

815
00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:15,239
Speaker 3: you could control what you could control. It's just the

816
00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:17,839
Speaker 3: way things go out here in these settings. But as

817
00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:19,640
Speaker 3: you mentioned, Matt, I think the good part of that

818
00:37:19,719 --> 00:37:21,360
Speaker 3: is when we get to tomorrow. I think that it

819
00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:23,319
Speaker 3: might be worth the wait tomorrow with the amount of

820
00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:25,399
Speaker 3: physicality and the amount of work that Mike Tomlin's gonna

821
00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:26,120
Speaker 3: want these guys to get.

822
00:37:26,239 --> 00:37:28,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm sure he's disappointed that they couldn't be out

823
00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:31,840
Speaker 4: here banging on the first day you're allowed. And it's

824
00:37:31,600 --> 00:37:34,879
Speaker 4: there's some may training camp practices as you think. I mean,

825
00:37:35,040 --> 00:37:36,640
Speaker 4: when it's all said and done in the days of

826
00:37:36,680 --> 00:37:39,320
Speaker 4: two days are way long gone and things of that nature,

827
00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:42,280
Speaker 4: and you're not gonna accomplish as much in a gym

828
00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:46,960
Speaker 4: in a walk through of course, unfortunately. But I I

829
00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:48,760
Speaker 4: just think they will make tomorrow count.

830
00:37:49,120 --> 00:37:52,040
Speaker 3: I think so too, Yeah, I absolutely think so. And

831
00:37:54,520 --> 00:37:56,920
Speaker 3: Mike Tomlin just spoke to the media a couple of

832
00:37:56,960 --> 00:38:01,560
Speaker 3: minutes ago. He said that he expects Roderick Jones to

833
00:38:01,640 --> 00:38:05,200
Speaker 3: be practicing tomorrow. That's good news as well too.

834
00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:07,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, we talked about that start of show, and I

835
00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:09,880
Speaker 4: wasn't shocked he was out, but I didn't think it

836
00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:12,680
Speaker 4: was anything to really worry about just watching it from

837
00:38:12,719 --> 00:38:15,040
Speaker 4: up here. Yeah, yeah, absolutely good.

838
00:38:15,520 --> 00:38:17,080
Speaker 3: But other than that, I mean, it's a it's a

839
00:38:17,160 --> 00:38:20,320
Speaker 3: kind of quiet day, not again with with with no practice,

840
00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:24,360
Speaker 3: not a much going on. So we've been taking some tweets,

841
00:38:24,400 --> 00:38:28,160
Speaker 3: We've been having some different conversations as we as we

842
00:38:28,239 --> 00:38:30,440
Speaker 3: roll along here with you for about a little bit

843
00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:33,160
Speaker 3: more than an hour remaining here on a special edition

844
00:38:33,600 --> 00:38:38,959
Speaker 3: of The Drive Swing State Samson say that one, Finn, Yeah,

845
00:38:39,040 --> 00:38:41,000
Speaker 3: say that one five times fast. What chances would you

846
00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:43,560
Speaker 3: give the Steelers of adding one more pass catcher? Over

847
00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:46,759
Speaker 3: under fifty percent? If so, any good candidates that fit

848
00:38:46,840 --> 00:38:47,839
Speaker 3: what we have going on?

849
00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:52,960
Speaker 4: I would say over fifty percent. We saw the Steelers

850
00:38:53,040 --> 00:38:57,200
Speaker 4: offense when Pickens got hurt last year. I think you

851
00:38:57,320 --> 00:39:00,279
Speaker 4: have to avoid that scenario at all cost or to

852
00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:03,279
Speaker 4: have a metcalf injury. I mean, it's just to be

853
00:39:03,480 --> 00:39:08,560
Speaker 4: so reliant on your top player at that position is frightening. Now.

854
00:39:08,600 --> 00:39:11,160
Speaker 4: I like Austin more now than I did then. I

855
00:39:11,160 --> 00:39:12,920
Speaker 4: think he had a good year and his trending the

856
00:39:13,040 --> 00:39:17,440
Speaker 4: right direction. Roman Wilson's still out there and needs to

857
00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:20,720
Speaker 4: start making a name for himself. But because those guys

858
00:39:20,760 --> 00:39:23,080
Speaker 4: are their size, I would not be in the market

859
00:39:23,120 --> 00:39:24,520
Speaker 4: for not a little guy, you know. I mean, I'm

860
00:39:24,520 --> 00:39:27,520
Speaker 4: looking for somebody They're not gonna look like Metcalf or

861
00:39:27,560 --> 00:39:31,000
Speaker 4: Pickings for that matter, but i mean somebody sizable that's

862
00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:39,360
Speaker 4: averaged to above average wide receiver size requirements. I'm just

863
00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:42,000
Speaker 4: kind of looking like, what would you be looking to get.

864
00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:47,040
Speaker 4: Rogers is so precise with where he wants receivers to

865
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Speaker 4: be in terms of timing, and if I'm at twelve yards,

866
00:39:51,160 --> 00:39:52,680
Speaker 4: I don't want you to eleven. You know, those type

867
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Speaker 4: of things. So I would think a route runner type,

868
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Speaker 4: not a raw type of player that's still learning those things,

869
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Speaker 4: would be high on the list. They are very fast

870
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Speaker 4: with their top two receivers in Metcalf and Austin, but

871
00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:10,000
Speaker 4: another field stretcher, and we know that they throw a

872
00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:13,640
Speaker 4: lot of deep balls also wouldn't break my heart. So

873
00:40:13,680 --> 00:40:16,040
Speaker 4: I'm not looking for a particularly slow guy. I mean,

874
00:40:16,040 --> 00:40:18,200
Speaker 4: I'm not looking for Keenan Allen, who's a route runner

875
00:40:18,239 --> 00:40:20,200
Speaker 4: at this point and he's on the free agent market,

876
00:40:20,560 --> 00:40:24,319
Speaker 4: but he's only really a slot I think I'd prefer

877
00:40:24,360 --> 00:40:28,080
Speaker 4: an outside the numbers player because Austin and Wilson are

878
00:40:28,080 --> 00:40:31,720
Speaker 4: both very slot capable. Although Austin's pretty good outside the numbers,

879
00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:36,040
Speaker 4: Gabe Davis is an obvious one. He's not a great

880
00:40:36,120 --> 00:40:38,520
Speaker 4: route runner, but he is a field stretcher, and he's sizable,

881
00:40:38,560 --> 00:40:41,840
Speaker 4: and he's an outside the numbers player. That's I would

882
00:40:41,840 --> 00:40:44,319
Speaker 4: want him more better though, you know, you know what

883
00:40:44,320 --> 00:40:45,440
Speaker 4: I mean, Like that's like.

884
00:40:45,680 --> 00:40:47,960
Speaker 3: Okay, it's gonna move the needle at all. Yeah.

885
00:40:48,080 --> 00:40:50,600
Speaker 4: Yeah. And before the John new Smith trade, I basically

886
00:40:50,680 --> 00:40:54,319
Speaker 4: said Gabe Davis would be fine, but that's not enough

887
00:40:54,320 --> 00:40:56,040
Speaker 4: for me to sleep at night in terms of they

888
00:40:56,080 --> 00:40:58,800
Speaker 4: got enough weapons now with John who, I'm like, Okay,

889
00:40:58,800 --> 00:41:01,920
Speaker 4: if you were to throw Gabe Davis this mix, Okay,

890
00:41:02,120 --> 00:41:03,719
Speaker 4: you're a pretty good shape. You're better Stanton do her

891
00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:05,719
Speaker 4: last year. You got three quality tight ends. You've got

892
00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:09,600
Speaker 4: metcalf Amari Cooper is still out there. I could see

893
00:41:09,600 --> 00:41:13,840
Speaker 4: a trade for Christian Kirk or Romeo Dobbs, who Rogers

894
00:41:13,840 --> 00:41:17,160
Speaker 4: played with his contracts coming up with Green Bay. The

895
00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:19,239
Speaker 4: She's the first round pick on receiver. He's kind of

896
00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:21,759
Speaker 4: get starting to get buried on their depth chart. But

897
00:41:21,920 --> 00:41:25,640
Speaker 4: really I urge that this is at all positions, but

898
00:41:25,960 --> 00:41:30,040
Speaker 4: especially wide receiver. These rosters all through the league are

899
00:41:30,160 --> 00:41:34,279
Speaker 4: still evolving and changing. You know, without a doubt that

900
00:41:35,239 --> 00:41:37,439
Speaker 4: you draft a receiver in the fifth round, Boy, he's

901
00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:39,200
Speaker 4: better than I thought we could. We could trade the.

902
00:41:39,160 --> 00:41:41,759
Speaker 3: Veteran trade, yeah, yeah, maybe get a fifth round back

903
00:41:41,840 --> 00:41:42,600
Speaker 3: or something exactly.

904
00:41:42,640 --> 00:41:45,080
Speaker 4: You know, we know we need picks these contracts up

905
00:41:45,120 --> 00:41:47,560
Speaker 4: after the year. I guess it could go all the

906
00:41:47,560 --> 00:41:51,280
Speaker 4: way to the trade deadline, but I'm guessing I feel

907
00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:55,959
Speaker 4: pretty confident that they will have another wide receiver that's

908
00:41:56,000 --> 00:42:01,719
Speaker 4: clearly going to make the team added while we're still

909
00:42:01,760 --> 00:42:04,120
Speaker 4: up here. Yes, I was say before opening day, but

910
00:42:04,120 --> 00:42:05,200
Speaker 4: I wanted to even go earlier.

911
00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:07,200
Speaker 3: That would be like if I'm putting a chip down

912
00:42:07,200 --> 00:42:09,359
Speaker 3: on the poker table, That's where I'm putting it as well. Yeah,

913
00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:10,920
Speaker 3: they will add a wide receiver and it will be

914
00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:11,960
Speaker 3: in the next two weeks.

915
00:42:12,200 --> 00:42:16,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, does it have to happen? Didn't know I'd like

916
00:42:16,239 --> 00:42:18,319
Speaker 4: it to. Does it have to happen in the next

917
00:42:18,320 --> 00:42:21,200
Speaker 4: two weeks? No, but I'd like it sooner the better, right,

918
00:42:21,280 --> 00:42:22,800
Speaker 4: yeah right? Yeah?

919
00:42:22,920 --> 00:42:24,440
Speaker 3: Oh well put there? Well, put there.

920
00:42:24,640 --> 00:42:27,280
Speaker 4: Davis was here on a visit. He's coming off an injury.

921
00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:29,839
Speaker 4: Maybe he needs two more weeks to recover and then

922
00:42:29,880 --> 00:42:32,399
Speaker 4: he's a Steeler or wherever he chooses to go, who knows.

923
00:42:32,440 --> 00:42:34,080
Speaker 4: Sometimes those are the issues too.

924
00:42:34,960 --> 00:42:38,719
Speaker 3: Here's a fun one from d hev. Kay, if you could,

925
00:42:38,760 --> 00:42:42,440
Speaker 3: guys could line up any backs on backers dream matchup

926
00:42:42,480 --> 00:42:45,319
Speaker 3: from any Steeler's era, who would you line up? He says,

927
00:42:45,360 --> 00:42:48,319
Speaker 3: I'm going Bettest versus Lambert? What say you on this

928
00:42:48,480 --> 00:42:50,479
Speaker 3: rainout Tuesday? Great question, d HAVEV.

929
00:42:51,280 --> 00:42:54,200
Speaker 4: Well, I don't know what everyone realizes what the drill is.

930
00:42:54,239 --> 00:42:56,560
Speaker 3: It's a pass protection dress protection drill.

931
00:42:56,920 --> 00:42:59,840
Speaker 4: So the back part isn't as much fun. It's not

932
00:42:59,880 --> 00:43:03,240
Speaker 4: like Jerome with the ball coming through the line meeting

933
00:43:03,600 --> 00:43:06,879
Speaker 4: Irlacker in the hole or Lambert in this in this scenario,

934
00:43:07,640 --> 00:43:10,920
Speaker 4: so the back doesn't even change my mind all that much. Yeah,

935
00:43:11,040 --> 00:43:13,280
Speaker 4: you know what I mean. I will say one backer

936
00:43:13,320 --> 00:43:16,680
Speaker 4: I have loved seeing his day though, was Kendro Bell

937
00:43:16,719 --> 00:43:21,319
Speaker 4: because he was so explosive and I never saw right, right,

938
00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:24,400
Speaker 4: I'm not. I wasn't even thinking about the edge rushers

939
00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:26,719
Speaker 4: as much as just an up the middle running back

940
00:43:26,800 --> 00:43:30,239
Speaker 4: picking up and off the ball. Linebacker Bell was. He

941
00:43:30,280 --> 00:43:33,600
Speaker 4: was super explosive before an injury or two and had

942
00:43:33,600 --> 00:43:35,880
Speaker 4: a bunch of sacks early in his career. I would

943
00:43:35,880 --> 00:43:38,520
Speaker 4: love to see young Kendro Bell out here. Well, actually

944
00:43:38,520 --> 00:43:42,640
Speaker 4: the real answer is one Kirkland's one. Just what about

945
00:43:42,640 --> 00:43:44,640
Speaker 4: what about Kevin Kirkland?

946
00:43:45,719 --> 00:43:49,120
Speaker 3: I think I think we could feel the grounds.

947
00:43:51,560 --> 00:43:53,239
Speaker 4: The back doesn't matter to me as much, you know.

948
00:43:53,200 --> 00:43:54,880
Speaker 3: But any of those guys gets would be a lot

949
00:43:55,160 --> 00:43:55,920
Speaker 3: just because of the girth.

950
00:43:56,040 --> 00:43:58,359
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, because I don't even remember Jerome how good

951
00:43:58,400 --> 00:44:00,520
Speaker 4: he was in protecting past protection. He wasn't out there

952
00:44:00,560 --> 00:44:03,280
Speaker 4: on third and eighth, right, Yeah, so he probably wouldn't

953
00:44:03,320 --> 00:44:05,560
Speaker 4: be my choice, except for watching him and Kirkland run

954
00:44:05,560 --> 00:44:08,640
Speaker 4: into each other and see six hundred pounds of fury.

955
00:44:08,719 --> 00:44:13,400
Speaker 3: You know, No, that's not Godzilla walking across the campus

956
00:44:13,400 --> 00:44:16,279
Speaker 3: here at Saint Vincent College. Good questions so far, We

957
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Speaker 3: got a couple more to get to. We'll get to

958
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Speaker 3: those an hour number four. We'll also bring you some

959
00:44:19,920 --> 00:44:22,960
Speaker 3: audio from Mike Tomlin plenty to do. In our final

960
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Speaker 3: bonus hour of the program, West Huler Matt Williamson, It's

961
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Speaker 3: all happening here on a quiet day at Saint Vincent

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Speaker 3: College at Steelers Nation Radio on the Steelers Audio Network