WEBVTT - QLS Classic: Al B. Sure (Part 1) 0:00:00.320 --> 0:00:03.159 Of Course Love Supreme is a production of I Heart Radio. 0:00:03.600 --> 0:00:07.160 This classic episode was produced by the team at Pandora. 0:00:08.480 --> 0:00:11.600 Ladies and gentlemen, Welcome to q l S Classic Episode 0:00:11.720 --> 0:00:16.040 one to three with I'll Be Sure. From February two 0:00:16.079 --> 0:00:19.800 thousand nineteen, one of the proprietors of the New Jack 0:00:19.840 --> 0:00:22.680 Swing movement. He came to break bread with us to 0:00:22.760 --> 0:00:25.200 share stories of his journey as an up start from 0:00:25.239 --> 0:00:28.600 Mount Vernon to damn Near getting arrested for simply causing 0:00:28.680 --> 0:00:32.120 riots wherever he stood. You'll imagine that cops trying to 0:00:32.200 --> 0:00:35.920 jail you for making all the ladies swim. Well, all 0:00:35.920 --> 0:00:38.559 that and more on the next I'll Be Sure QLs 0:00:38.720 --> 0:00:54.800 Classic Part one. Let's go Suprema rogue called Sma Primo 0:00:55.000 --> 0:01:03.360 rogue called sam rogue called sub prima primo roll call, 0:01:03.520 --> 0:01:07.199 Turn up the Fader, Yeah night now, not later. Yeah, 0:01:07.440 --> 0:01:10.679 of course love is chilling. Yeah with the Sony Innovader 0:01:13.959 --> 0:01:19.280 some primo roll. I'm gonna do it, so Frema roll call. 0:01:19.400 --> 0:01:23.560 My name is Fante. Yeah, everybody don't laugh, because I 0:01:23.720 --> 0:01:35.200 came to watch you take a bad Roma roll on. 0:01:35.360 --> 0:01:39.520 My name is Sugar. Yeah. The record shows, Yeah, I 0:01:39.680 --> 0:01:46.840 took the blows. Yeah, and did it my fremo road 0:01:47.360 --> 0:01:53.160 he cut some frima prima rolltiller is here. Yeah for 0:01:53.280 --> 0:01:55.880 another que last show. Yeah, I don't want your girl 0:01:55.960 --> 0:02:02.400 turned out? Better tell he hit the road Freema some subpremo, 0:02:02.600 --> 0:02:07.760 role sub frema some sub prema roll call. It's like 0:02:08.680 --> 0:02:12.240 yeah and worry no more. Yeah, Oh my fucking god. 0:02:12.760 --> 0:02:19.200 Ye call that was actually in a room Frema roll call, 0:02:19.680 --> 0:02:27.040 so prema, so Frema roll call West Love. Yeah his name, yeah, 0:02:28.000 --> 0:02:35.200 Crazy Drum is his game shows sign up, road call 0:02:35.680 --> 0:02:42.280 so Prema son Supremo roll call, so Prema something Suprema 0:02:42.440 --> 0:02:52.160 roll call, so Frema sign something yo. Man Like if 0:02:52.240 --> 0:02:55.359 I believed in picking up phones and answer machines, that 0:02:55.520 --> 0:02:59.400 would be my ow. And the show is over. Lazy joke. 0:03:00.560 --> 0:03:03.440 Thank you for calling Quest Love. No one's in right now, 0:03:03.600 --> 0:03:06.119 so please leave a message after the tune and he'll 0:03:06.160 --> 0:03:12.440 get back to you when he feels like Yeah, man, 0:03:12.960 --> 0:03:18.560 I got deep Boys out. News, Ladies and gentlemen, Welcome 0:03:18.560 --> 0:03:22.800 to another road trip edition of Questlove Supreme. We are 0:03:22.880 --> 0:03:25.840 still in California here for the rest of the year. Yes, 0:03:26.080 --> 0:03:30.919 he'll be here. We're spending life out here where we 0:03:31.040 --> 0:03:36.920 at Steve East West Studios formerly Western Recorders. That's what 0:03:37.080 --> 0:03:41.160 this building was, home of Frank Sinatra and pet Sounds. 0:03:41.640 --> 0:03:46.480 We're looking at the infamous uh Frank Sinatra podium, podium, 0:03:47.160 --> 0:03:49.680 this whole room is. That's why I was singing my 0:03:49.800 --> 0:03:52.920 way but I get whatever. No, that's that's why you know. 0:03:52.960 --> 0:03:55.760 I wanted you to explain what the deal is. Ladies 0:03:55.800 --> 0:04:01.280 and gentlemen. Uh, I don't even have a proper introduction, 0:04:01.400 --> 0:04:07.600 but I will say that we're here chilling man with God. 0:04:07.800 --> 0:04:12.920 I've been waiting on this. Yes, the original Rappert single. 0:04:13.280 --> 0:04:16.520 Yes he is. I think he's there is like you know, 0:04:17.040 --> 0:04:20.680 fuck your your your Drake dreams. We had the originator 0:04:20.760 --> 0:04:27.320 well themselves lord of the light Skins and what I've 0:04:27.320 --> 0:04:34.280 been seeing lately as hashtag the light Skin general money 0:04:35.279 --> 0:04:39.039 earning money, murdered money earning, Mount Vernon. Ladies and gentlemen, 0:04:39.080 --> 0:04:42.680 please welcome to quest up Sapre. I'll be sure, yes, 0:04:45.480 --> 0:04:47.440 Thank you so much for corlor brother, Thank you man, 0:04:47.560 --> 0:04:50.920 thank you for the dream culture for real. Much appreciated, 0:04:51.040 --> 0:04:59.040 much appreciated. Man. I so what do we start come doing? Man? 0:04:59.120 --> 0:05:01.680 Listen when I we're getting the deep cause later all right, 0:05:01.760 --> 0:05:03.640 So let's just let's start. As I called Lee to 0:05:03.640 --> 0:05:07.159 says at the beginning, I'll be where were you born? 0:05:07.760 --> 0:05:12.360 I was actually born in Cambridge, Massachusetts. I'm supposed to 0:05:12.480 --> 0:05:16.479 rock a socks had, but I represent New York so hard, 0:05:16.560 --> 0:05:19.240 only because my dad was in the Coast Guard. Mother 0:05:19.279 --> 0:05:22.880 and father we moved away to New York. So every 0:05:22.920 --> 0:05:25.360 time I see Bobby your new kids or so, I 0:05:25.480 --> 0:05:28.560 get all the ship in the world. You Yeah, I 0:05:28.680 --> 0:05:33.640 represent the Met's, Yankees Nets, you know, Islanders, Rangers, Victory, 0:05:33.920 --> 0:05:37.520 you know Liberty. Excuse me, said Victory and yeah. So 0:05:38.120 --> 0:05:41.000 um so I represent New York all day early day. 0:05:42.240 --> 0:05:45.040 So Mount Vernon, that was where you kind of raised 0:05:45.080 --> 0:05:48.960 and came up. Absolutely, yeah, we call it four square miles. Um. 0:05:49.160 --> 0:05:52.520 Of course we have a few heads that you might 0:05:52.560 --> 0:05:55.239 be familiar with. A gentleman by the name of Dick Clark. 0:05:56.080 --> 0:06:00.080 I was from Mount Vernon. Um. Eb White Chart of 0:06:00.160 --> 0:06:02.360 Charlotte's Webb, which is one of my favorite books of 0:06:02.440 --> 0:06:06.520 all time. Um. In fact, my four year old grandson 0:06:06.680 --> 0:06:11.080 can read the entire book. I'm loving it. Um. Are 0:06:11.120 --> 0:06:20.160 you pregnant? Ye? I wonder how long he gonna hold it? 0:06:20.440 --> 0:06:23.919 All the times they have like this doofy Jim Hinton. 0:06:24.000 --> 0:06:33.240 That's boys of Mine. I can't do that. Wait, let 0:06:33.279 --> 0:06:35.680 me tell you something. First of all, I'm probably the 0:06:35.760 --> 0:06:38.240 biggest Quest fan on planet Earth, to the point where 0:06:38.520 --> 0:06:40.160 when you come to Vegas, I want you to come 0:06:40.200 --> 0:06:44.040 to the residents. I have this cool low res photo. 0:06:44.160 --> 0:06:46.200 I need a new one, but I got this cool photo. 0:06:46.240 --> 0:06:47.840 I got the one photo with you. And we were 0:06:47.880 --> 0:06:50.960 in Houston somewhere ship we did do a show together, 0:06:52.400 --> 0:06:54.960 and I was so nervous because I was nervous, I 0:06:55.080 --> 0:06:57.479 was like, wait, the show is that like the rout? 0:06:59.400 --> 0:07:02.000 We did one of you know joins, the collaborative joins, 0:07:02.080 --> 0:07:05.480 and I'll be sure was one of the forgot what 0:07:05.720 --> 0:07:09.520 use this? And I think our very own Frank Millwalk 0:07:09.720 --> 0:07:13.480 was also there. It was in Houston. It was like 0:07:13.560 --> 0:07:16.040 one of the places with the with the long stage 0:07:16.240 --> 0:07:19.200 and it's like one of them Hennessee shows, like a 0:07:19.280 --> 0:07:25.480 bunch of acts on damn what two thousand four Okay, 0:07:25.520 --> 0:07:27.880 we we could afford a backdrop back then, so maybe 0:07:28.600 --> 0:07:32.520 it's like two thousand five two. It was wait before 0:07:32.560 --> 0:07:34.320 Falance so and I know it was it was after 0:07:34.920 --> 0:07:37.520 the Towers because I was marketing about the Towers phone, 0:07:37.560 --> 0:07:39.160 so that it was after Towers, so it had to 0:07:39.200 --> 0:07:44.440 be like I forgot we did that. Yeah, that was 0:07:44.520 --> 0:07:46.880 that was that was exciting. But anyway, the point was 0:07:47.000 --> 0:07:49.720 I have this really cool photo, but I had a 0:07:49.800 --> 0:07:53.120 whack ass phone back then state and I've said there 0:07:53.160 --> 0:07:55.320 was no high reds. There was no HD though, was 0:07:55.480 --> 0:08:01.640 just d H. We we can up, we get updating definitely. 0:08:02.440 --> 0:08:06.160 So in Okay, So when when did you move to 0:08:06.240 --> 0:08:08.760 New York? So as as a kid, So I lived 0:08:09.120 --> 0:08:11.720 partly in New Jersey as well. So in a place 0:08:11.760 --> 0:08:14.560 called Leonie in New Jersey. Uh, that's the place where 0:08:14.560 --> 0:08:18.040 you're the mayor complaining because everybody was going through the 0:08:18.040 --> 0:08:20.200 streets to Leoni to get to the city and all 0:08:20.280 --> 0:08:22.200 that craziness. I was going with the bridge and all that, 0:08:22.480 --> 0:08:26.320 you know, with the mayor the governor. Yeah. So but yeah, 0:08:26.360 --> 0:08:27.960 so for the most part, you know, I grew up 0:08:28.000 --> 0:08:30.360 in the streets on the south side of Money earning 0:08:30.400 --> 0:08:33.880 Mount Vernon. Um we call it four square miles, you know. 0:08:33.960 --> 0:08:35.880 We have, like I said, a few heads you may 0:08:36.080 --> 0:08:38.760 may may have heard of of course, the most prominent 0:08:38.840 --> 0:08:45.600 for myself. Um. In fact, we even um uh obviously 0:08:45.720 --> 0:08:48.240 you know Denzel Washington is from Mount Vernon as well. 0:08:48.679 --> 0:08:52.040 Stephanie Mills. Um, you know, I know that Stephanie Mills. 0:08:52.200 --> 0:08:54.480 In fact, I was so excited. I just did a 0:08:54.520 --> 0:08:57.319 show with Stephanie at the Indiana Black Expo and we 0:08:57.440 --> 0:09:02.640 were talking about how that's block wait wait wait wait. 0:09:02.679 --> 0:09:04.320 In fact, we did one in Philly too, we did 0:09:04.360 --> 0:09:06.080 in your city, just we just did at the Convention 0:09:06.120 --> 0:09:12.079 Center and uh but yeah, So what people didn't know is, 0:09:12.120 --> 0:09:15.079 you know how everybody was saying at all it is Michael. 0:09:15.320 --> 0:09:17.920 You know, was he cake or what I'm like now, 0:09:18.040 --> 0:09:28.520 Michael was gangster, Michael. Michael and Stephanie Mills used to date. Yeah, 0:09:30.920 --> 0:09:33.200 this is recent. Was like Sam Smith. It said something 0:09:33.240 --> 0:09:34.880 in the interview supposed that he wasn't really a fan 0:09:34.960 --> 0:09:42.520 of Michael Jackson and Stephanie Mill. Oh boy, he inadvertently 0:09:42.600 --> 0:09:45.040 not realized that he's here because of Michael Jackson, like 0:09:45.120 --> 0:09:48.160 all of Okay, but anyway, but for the most part, 0:09:48.160 --> 0:09:49.800 I had no idea as a youngster, when I was 0:09:49.880 --> 0:09:52.360 riding my little BMX bicycle around that Michael Jackson was 0:09:52.400 --> 0:09:56.800 about Vernon. I'd probably lost my mind. Um yeah, no, 0:09:56.920 --> 0:10:00.240 it's it's a beautiful place, you know, uh, just my 0:10:00.360 --> 0:10:04.760 best friend growing up in high school, Eddie f d 0:10:04.880 --> 0:10:07.360 J d F you know, big shots Eddie. Um. I 0:10:07.480 --> 0:10:09.640 used to carry the equipment. I was the engineer and 0:10:09.720 --> 0:10:11.640 he was the DJ, was the best DJ, and uh 0:10:12.240 --> 0:10:13.960 you know, we used to just used to do parties. 0:10:14.000 --> 0:10:16.040 And that's kind of how the whole thing started. We 0:10:16.120 --> 0:10:18.400 just started rocking together. And I saved my worked at 0:10:18.920 --> 0:10:21.400 Gussini Shoes and I worked at this other place that 0:10:24.120 --> 0:10:26.760 exactly like some place on on Fourth Avenue and save 0:10:26.840 --> 0:10:29.559 my little bread and brought for a task cam toto 0:10:31.080 --> 0:10:33.199 for tra tape to set tape. And that's how we 0:10:33.240 --> 0:10:35.439 started all those demos and we would record stuff. And 0:10:35.480 --> 0:10:38.319 this guy used to come over every day when we 0:10:38.400 --> 0:10:41.120 were recording. He would get on the turntable some practice 0:10:41.120 --> 0:10:42.920 and he was, you know, scratching and scratching. He started 0:10:42.920 --> 0:10:46.439 getting really really good. His name is Pete Rock. It 0:10:46.600 --> 0:10:49.079 was amazing and uh and then have played on the 0:10:49.080 --> 0:10:51.959 football team with me and uh so we decided to 0:10:52.000 --> 0:10:57.400 come kibby and then uh so I remember we were 0:10:58.040 --> 0:11:00.520 so I picked up this is the fund story. I 0:11:00.559 --> 0:11:02.079 don't think I've told this one. So we're in the 0:11:02.120 --> 0:11:05.280 basement there's this thing for the youngsters called the Yellow Pages. 0:11:07.480 --> 0:11:09.880 So I reached over to the Yellow Pages and we 0:11:09.960 --> 0:11:12.640 had just finished working on some demos. We cut a 0:11:12.720 --> 0:11:16.199 demo on have called It's a part of y'all. That's 0:11:16.240 --> 0:11:18.040 the first. It was just nine. It was a rolling 0:11:18.080 --> 0:11:20.880 nine o nine with a beat and him it's a 0:11:20.960 --> 0:11:22.719 part of y'all. And he was just spitting, you know, 0:11:23.080 --> 0:11:26.360 spen Mount Burning versus and uh, but it was. It 0:11:26.480 --> 0:11:29.840 was so fly. So I picked up the phone. I call, look, 0:11:29.920 --> 0:11:31.920 and we're Yellow Pages and I found a place called 0:11:32.000 --> 0:11:36.280 death Cham. I said, okay, that sounds familiar. I call 0:11:36.960 --> 0:11:40.120 a few times, you know, get there. Okay, great, al right, great, 0:11:40.240 --> 0:11:43.839 okay great. So I kept being consistent. I called, so 0:11:44.080 --> 0:11:46.240 the guy finally picks up, and you know, I'm having 0:11:46.280 --> 0:11:47.800 this dialogue with him, and I said, you know, I 0:11:47.840 --> 0:11:49.679 speak to Russell Simmons. Please. You know, I had to 0:11:49.760 --> 0:11:52.040 have this new group called Heavy D and the Boys 0:11:52.080 --> 0:11:54.319 for Money Earned Mount Burning. And dude was like, you know, 0:11:54.480 --> 0:11:56.920 you mean the fat Boys. I was like, no, I 0:11:57.000 --> 0:11:59.280 said Heavy D and the Boys for Money. He said, 0:11:59.400 --> 0:12:01.080 you mean you'll whose nigga is up in the Bronx. 0:12:01.160 --> 0:12:07.160 That's what he so you know, you know, yeah, y'all apolish, 0:12:07.200 --> 0:12:09.240 y'all ain't really get it. Y'all a polished. I'm like, now, 0:12:09.360 --> 0:12:12.880 trust me, I said, you got you don't understand, I said, 0:12:12.920 --> 0:12:14.760 but this is something very different. I said, this is 0:12:14.840 --> 0:12:17.280 something special. I think this young man's stars. You know. 0:12:17.400 --> 0:12:19.560 So we we had gone through our whole process without 0:12:19.679 --> 0:12:22.480 knowing that, you know, that we maybe would know what 0:12:22.640 --> 0:12:24.839 we would know. So we just played it all. So 0:12:24.960 --> 0:12:27.599 the key to his bring a dream into fruition. So 0:12:27.840 --> 0:12:30.199 we just got on the phone and I stayed consistent 0:12:30.240 --> 0:12:32.000 and I Kevin asked, and I'm said, listen, let me 0:12:32.080 --> 0:12:33.959 talk to Russell Simmons. I needed I want to get 0:12:34.000 --> 0:12:35.920 him in this music. Okay, we'll send us another cassette, 0:12:35.920 --> 0:12:38.959 send us another cassette. I call him back. He answered 0:12:39.000 --> 0:12:41.719 the phone, sir, um, I'd really like to talk to 0:12:41.800 --> 0:12:45.280 Russell Simmons. Who is this. My name is Andre Herrella. 0:12:45.280 --> 0:12:49.880 I want to talk to Russell Simmons. So that's that's 0:12:49.920 --> 0:12:52.079 how the whole thing started. And then and yeah, and 0:12:52.360 --> 0:12:54.640 then at that point Andre and Russell were, you know, 0:12:54.880 --> 0:12:57.800 not necessarily partying ways, but creatively because Andre wanted to 0:12:57.880 --> 0:13:00.800 kind of go into that commercial. You know, Russell obviously 0:13:00.880 --> 0:13:04.120 had militant hip hop you know public you know, just 0:13:04.320 --> 0:13:05.920 the Beastie Boys. He had that on the lock. That 0:13:06.040 --> 0:13:07.679 was his system. And Andre kind of wanted to be 0:13:08.040 --> 0:13:09.400 you know, he wanted to be Jack l and I 0:13:09.559 --> 0:13:12.160 he wanted to be armed and uh, you know, and 0:13:12.280 --> 0:13:15.240 at that point, um, you know, myself and Eddie was 0:13:15.360 --> 0:13:18.599 you know, essentially the glue that kind of started that 0:13:18.679 --> 0:13:20.920 whole thing with him. And he just was a brilliant, 0:13:21.040 --> 0:13:25.480 brilliant visionary of putting the collective pieces together too to 0:13:25.720 --> 0:13:28.360 kind of start this whole movement call Uptown. And what 0:13:28.520 --> 0:13:31.480 we did was I called him baby Berry Gudian. He 0:13:31.480 --> 0:13:35.640 would call me Baby Quincy Jones and and it was 0:13:35.679 --> 0:13:39.319 such an amazing time, even though we didn't really understand 0:13:40.640 --> 0:13:44.439 what it would turn into. It was more, um, we 0:13:44.520 --> 0:13:47.080 would pattern ourselves to be more of a boutique version 0:13:47.120 --> 0:13:50.199 of what Motown represented, so the artist would all work together, 0:13:50.240 --> 0:13:51.400 you know, it would be a whole when we've got 0:13:51.480 --> 0:13:53.719 our first offices in Brooklyn and it would be a 0:13:53.800 --> 0:13:56.160 hallway and everybody would And then he put me on 0:13:56.240 --> 0:13:58.400 the train. He told me to go go sit with 0:13:58.480 --> 0:14:00.720 this guy named Teddy Riley and go hitting the projects. 0:14:00.720 --> 0:14:02.520 Here this is a dress and a knocked on the door. 0:14:03.040 --> 0:14:05.640 And I sat there for a year and just Teddy 0:14:05.720 --> 0:14:08.319 taught me to program. It was a core D D 0:14:08.440 --> 0:14:10.559 D one. He had to tape over it though, and 0:14:11.679 --> 0:14:14.800 to all you know, the motto half a millisecond sample 0:14:14.920 --> 0:14:18.040 and so he was recording, you know, he was programming 0:14:18.040 --> 0:14:19.720 all that right. There was we do like ten songs 0:14:19.760 --> 0:14:23.560 a day, um and he Teddy Riley actually just announced, 0:14:23.600 --> 0:14:25.920 as I think of south By Southwest that Albie Shore 0:14:26.000 --> 0:14:29.520 is officially the fourth member of Guy because that's me 0:14:29.640 --> 0:14:34.080 singing one. Yeah. So we did so many demos together, 0:14:34.360 --> 0:14:36.120 you know when we started cutting nine day and off 0:14:36.160 --> 0:14:37.800 on young Girl, and then I would work on you 0:14:37.840 --> 0:14:39.520 know if I'm not your lover, and you can call 0:14:39.600 --> 0:14:43.000 me crazy, and it was just nonstopping. So under the 0:14:43.080 --> 0:14:46.200 tutelage of this young cat who just would make the 0:14:46.280 --> 0:14:49.320 drum machine break your neck, it was just so so amazing. 0:14:49.640 --> 0:14:52.040 He's like quest love with fingers on a drum machine. 0:14:52.760 --> 0:14:55.760 Like he's nice like that. It's like I've never seen someone, 0:14:56.040 --> 0:14:57.880 you know, like obviously when we win quests, you know, 0:14:58.160 --> 0:15:00.920 he's on his his his kid. It's just it's something 0:15:01.000 --> 0:15:03.280 magical in terms of this the rhythm and just it's 0:15:03.360 --> 0:15:06.400 it's magical because he's got probably got every nation under 0:15:06.440 --> 0:15:08.000 a group for lack of better terms. You know, what 0:15:08.120 --> 0:15:10.040 were your folcus doing at the time? Were they supportive 0:15:10.120 --> 0:15:11.880 of your your music? Like, what did your what did 0:15:11.880 --> 0:15:15.080 your folks do? Well? My dad, uh, he's at Cornell 0:15:15.400 --> 0:15:18.320 had a nuclear medicine, so he's doing that. My mother 0:15:18.520 --> 0:15:21.560 was managing a dental office, you know, preachers selling insurance. 0:15:21.960 --> 0:15:25.440 They were divorced when I was four. Um, so you 0:15:25.520 --> 0:15:27.680 know it was me and Mom Dukes, you know, making 0:15:27.720 --> 0:15:31.200 it happen. She kept her foot way way in my 0:15:31.360 --> 0:15:34.040 esophagus to make sure, you know, because I wanted to 0:15:34.120 --> 0:15:35.440 run the streets. I want you to know I thought 0:15:35.480 --> 0:15:36.760 I was. I thought I was gonna be a hustler, 0:15:36.840 --> 0:15:38.600 like because that's when I saw the oho that asked 0:15:38.600 --> 0:15:41.400 my car, you know, on the corner. I wanted that. 0:15:41.720 --> 0:15:44.440 But I was like fourteen, so so you know, I would, 0:15:44.560 --> 0:15:46.960 you know, just get involved with the situations. And if 0:15:47.040 --> 0:15:48.920 I came home with a brand new pair of pumas 0:15:49.040 --> 0:15:51.680 or some of data's, where'd you get them? Oh no, no, no, 0:15:52.000 --> 0:15:58.000 snatch snatched the curly afro pulled me out the door, 0:15:58.200 --> 0:16:00.600 and I was so grateful that she snatched that snatched 0:16:00.640 --> 0:16:02.600 me up every time like something would go left, because 0:16:02.640 --> 0:16:06.920 then I had this respectful fear of a boy. Let me, 0:16:07.040 --> 0:16:09.120 let me just let me keep a semi in the 0:16:09.240 --> 0:16:10.800 lane where I'm supposed to be and make sure at 0:16:10.840 --> 0:16:12.920 least do my homework and do what I gotta do. 0:16:13.080 --> 0:16:15.080 And you know, it's taught me somewhat of responsibility for 0:16:15.160 --> 0:16:17.160 the most part. But just you you have brothers and 0:16:17.520 --> 0:16:19.960 have three sisters, but you know, after marriage and sup, 0:16:20.200 --> 0:16:23.840 but it was just me and mom and uh yeah yeah, 0:16:24.200 --> 0:16:26.000 so my with my my sister Amber was the younger 0:16:26.080 --> 0:16:30.360 snap but with just to marriage. So but yes, it's 0:16:30.480 --> 0:16:32.560 it was amazing just in terms of she just gave 0:16:32.600 --> 0:16:36.040 me a schedule. I would come home only refrigerator. It 0:16:36.080 --> 0:16:38.120 would be a loosely a piece of paper, three fifteen, 0:16:38.240 --> 0:16:41.280 take off your school close, three starts you man, so 0:16:41.480 --> 0:16:44.880 every day and uh, it was just a schedule. It 0:16:45.000 --> 0:16:48.720 was like you know, sergeant Mom. And she's a little 0:16:48.760 --> 0:16:52.080 five for two things. She swings a heart part. I 0:16:52.080 --> 0:16:53.720 remember one time she tried to swing on me one 0:16:53.800 --> 0:16:57.400 day because I was with this kid named Charlie Peppertone 0:16:57.440 --> 0:16:59.760 and he had given me some marijuana or something or 0:17:00.080 --> 0:17:04.640 some sort of a regular. I thought it was my mother, 0:17:04.880 --> 0:17:06.520 and I got home and mother found it in my 0:17:06.600 --> 0:17:09.200 pocket and I and I went, this is the crazy part. 0:17:09.240 --> 0:17:11.119 I come walking down the hill from school when I 0:17:11.200 --> 0:17:12.720 see this is the all the time, you know, when 0:17:12.720 --> 0:17:15.480 you see your father's car sitting in the afternoon. And 0:17:15.560 --> 0:17:17.880 I was like, and he had hold up, okay, quest 0:17:17.960 --> 0:17:23.040 he had the dots and would folks like the long 0:17:23.400 --> 0:17:26.920 with the wood green man and you know that you 0:17:26.960 --> 0:17:29.399 can't mistake that one. So I'm walking in and I'm like, 0:17:30.000 --> 0:17:32.120 what's going on here? And he was like sit down, 0:17:32.800 --> 0:17:38.000 and that's all my father had to say. And I'm like, listen, 0:17:38.520 --> 0:17:41.200 uh sir, you know, and well, what's that? Oh it's 0:17:41.240 --> 0:17:44.000 not mine? Okay, great? Whose is it? And so you know, 0:17:44.000 --> 0:17:46.680 I had they had they confessed, but I didn't know 0:17:46.680 --> 0:17:48.119 what it was because I didn't know anything about that 0:17:48.160 --> 0:17:51.080 at that point. I was just but apparently the cast father, 0:17:51.240 --> 0:17:52.840 you know he was, you know, back in the day. 0:17:52.840 --> 0:17:54.280 And then that's when I started one. I wanted to 0:17:54.320 --> 0:17:58.680 be a hustler. That's because you got nice things and 0:17:58.800 --> 0:18:01.680 not a lot of work until I had to switch 0:18:01.720 --> 0:18:04.080 it up and realized I enjoy putting in the work. 0:18:05.280 --> 0:18:08.159 So starting off with you rapping first, like when you 0:18:08.200 --> 0:18:10.480 went d F for cutting stuff, Like what what was 0:18:10.520 --> 0:18:13.879 your role? Okay? So initially, um, I wanted to be 0:18:13.920 --> 0:18:18.800 a rapper, and so my favorite rapper was Slick Rick. 0:18:19.720 --> 0:18:22.280 So to me, he's like the greatest storyteller of all time. 0:18:22.320 --> 0:18:24.600 You know, everybody has their favorite j and naas and 0:18:24.920 --> 0:18:27.120 you know, rock him and I'm from the rock Him 0:18:27.160 --> 0:18:30.000 error so um and black thought and like that's that's 0:18:30.080 --> 0:18:34.600 my like, um my man, I'll be sure in effect 0:18:34.680 --> 0:18:41.760 mode for your pleasure. For your pleasure, you know, that's 0:18:41.840 --> 0:18:46.800 my junk right there. Yeah. So yeah, just that was 0:18:47.080 --> 0:18:49.120 the way it started. And in fact, you know when 0:18:49.160 --> 0:18:51.959 we started cutting the demos for have the initial demos, 0:18:52.040 --> 0:18:56.040 it was, uh, you know, I wanted to rap on 0:18:56.119 --> 0:18:58.400 the song, but they're like, no, don't rap, just sing 0:18:58.720 --> 0:19:01.480 and sing sing some some the background. So I became 0:19:01.600 --> 0:19:04.360 like the I wasn't a part of the group per se, 0:19:04.440 --> 0:19:06.800 but I was the background singer. Um and I was 0:19:06.960 --> 0:19:08.840 Eddie's best friend. But what Eddie did for me, which 0:19:08.880 --> 0:19:11.680 is I love him to this day, no matter what 0:19:11.880 --> 0:19:13.920 was going on. As they were getting their momentum, Eddie 0:19:13.920 --> 0:19:17.240 would keep my little cassette tape with him and every 0:19:17.280 --> 0:19:19.480 time he would be around Russell or Andre or anyone 0:19:19.560 --> 0:19:22.200 like that nature, he would pop my cassette over. So 0:19:22.840 --> 0:19:24.680 Andre just told the story. I think it was either 0:19:24.760 --> 0:19:26.920 on her mind sung or he told it on inside 0:19:26.960 --> 0:19:29.520 the label where he said, you know, one day having 0:19:29.680 --> 0:19:33.000 Eddie uh miss studio time or something that easy. You know, 0:19:33.040 --> 0:19:35.080 I said, hey, can I use it? And then uh, 0:19:35.520 --> 0:19:37.359 Kylin that when they laid down night and day and 0:19:37.400 --> 0:19:39.440 he says, oh, this kid got talent. I said, okay, 0:19:39.840 --> 0:19:41.760 and then that's where it all started. It was the 0:19:41.800 --> 0:19:44.760 first song, No, the first song I actually recorded was 0:19:45.480 --> 0:19:49.399 this Love Is and that's the original version that was 0:19:49.520 --> 0:19:53.000 on the four track cas set Roe Shamir just bounced 0:19:53.040 --> 0:19:55.960 the cassette tape to the student and then we try 0:19:56.000 --> 0:19:57.719 to keep most original element because you know, you get 0:19:57.760 --> 0:20:00.200 demo whitis. He's like you in the hood, riding around 0:20:00.240 --> 0:20:04.040 and in the K car joint on Third Street, and uh, 0:20:04.400 --> 0:20:08.119 and it sounds and you get used to that. I studio. 0:20:09.160 --> 0:20:11.359 It's like if it work, it works, that's what it is. 0:20:11.720 --> 0:20:13.920 So I'm thinking you somethinking all the health stuff is 0:20:13.960 --> 0:20:17.159 that you singing on? Don't you know? Don't you know? 0:20:19.160 --> 0:20:24.960 Don't you know? Somebody for me money? Under mound burning? 0:20:26.400 --> 0:20:29.000 How old were you around this time? I was younger. 0:20:29.000 --> 0:20:31.680 I had to be seventeen or eighteen at least. Yeah, 0:20:33.000 --> 0:20:35.480 And like what you're singing? Was it something like that? 0:20:35.840 --> 0:20:37.920 I wasn't. I wasn't. No, I wasn't a singer. My 0:20:38.000 --> 0:20:41.119 father played piano and my mother's manage a dental office. 0:20:41.200 --> 0:20:43.880 But that was you know, I wasn't really a singer 0:20:43.920 --> 0:20:45.919 or anything. But I was a stylist what you call 0:20:45.960 --> 0:20:48.960 a stylist, meaning I understood structured because I studied, you know, 0:20:49.119 --> 0:20:51.359 song structure and things that that nature to know that 0:20:51.400 --> 0:20:52.679 I was going to be doing that, but I went 0:20:52.760 --> 0:20:54.240 to send it for me. The oars over then like 0:20:54.400 --> 0:20:57.280 you to study engineering. So Eddie and Eddie and I 0:20:57.359 --> 0:20:59.480 right after high school wanted to. We wanted to. I 0:20:59.600 --> 0:21:01.520 really want to be an engineer because I was into 0:21:01.560 --> 0:21:03.280 frequency and sound. I'm a little bit of a straight 0:21:03.320 --> 0:21:05.359 I'm a corn ball in terms of I'm into you know, 0:21:05.440 --> 0:21:08.159 like now which I love everything related to analytics and 0:21:08.280 --> 0:21:11.280 and and just understand a digital footprint of where you 0:21:11.359 --> 0:21:13.600 are as an artists and then just trends and things 0:21:13.640 --> 0:21:16.119 of that nature. So, um, that's what I truly enjoyed 0:21:16.160 --> 0:21:19.520 as well. That's what's that when Um, when y'all did 0:21:19.600 --> 0:21:22.000 the first well so you did Night and Day. You 0:21:22.119 --> 0:21:25.520 and Kyle first off, talk about Kyle Man because he 0:21:26.640 --> 0:21:34.159 nobody knows. When you heard, you knew it's some fires. 0:21:35.359 --> 0:21:37.480 It's about to get real all the way down like 0:21:37.600 --> 0:21:39.879 it when you heard that NI is about to get real. 0:21:40.960 --> 0:21:46.440 It was funny, like go West, break it down, you know, Kyle, Kyle. 0:21:46.960 --> 0:21:51.119 In fact, we just started, We just embarked and started 0:21:51.160 --> 0:21:54.000 on the new album, which which which will be called. 0:21:54.440 --> 0:21:56.080 I figured I was trying to thinking all these slick 0:21:56.200 --> 0:21:58.080 names and I was like, nah, you know what, let 0:21:58.119 --> 0:22:01.320 me just driving my lane. It's in effect mode two, 0:22:04.960 --> 0:22:08.520 in effect mode two point zero one eight, That's all 0:22:08.600 --> 0:22:10.240 it is. Because I'm just driving to my lane. I'm 0:22:10.240 --> 0:22:12.120 not trying to be anybody else, dude, I'm just trying 0:22:12.160 --> 0:22:19.359 to continue with my signature. Well, I just like shut 0:22:19.400 --> 0:22:21.880 them down. The Cash album come out, you probably get 0:22:21.880 --> 0:22:24.280 them calls like the pictures, Well guess so, no, they 0:22:24.320 --> 0:22:26.200 can remix it all day long, you know, for for 0:22:26.280 --> 0:22:28.200 the radio aspect of it. But I truly make music 0:22:28.320 --> 0:22:30.200 from my soul. And you know, I don't want to 0:22:30.240 --> 0:22:32.360 sound corny a cliche, but it's it's this is all 0:22:32.400 --> 0:22:34.200 spiritual for me. This has never been about making it 0:22:34.320 --> 0:22:35.920 records because I didn't know what it record was. I 0:22:35.960 --> 0:22:38.280 didn't come from that. So everything for me was just 0:22:39.200 --> 0:22:41.199 whatever I was feeling, whatever I was going through at 0:22:41.200 --> 0:22:44.359 that moment, and interpretating that form of expression, whatever I 0:22:44.440 --> 0:22:47.200 was going and having the vehicle of music to be 0:22:47.320 --> 0:22:50.880 able to reach and travel the globe and and meet 0:22:51.040 --> 0:22:54.240 leaders of nations. And it's really amazing what that vehicle 0:22:54.320 --> 0:22:57.080 can do for you. Um because I didn't realize but 0:22:57.200 --> 0:22:59.240 my mother, my mother told me all my life. Listen, 0:22:59.280 --> 0:23:01.080 you're a citizen of the world. Once you become a 0:23:01.119 --> 0:23:03.120 citizen in the world. And I didn't know to take 0:23:03.160 --> 0:23:05.040 it seriously. I didn't know it's gonna be in Japan 0:23:05.240 --> 0:23:07.359 and Germany and you know, all over the world and 0:23:07.920 --> 0:23:11.080 making a joyful noise. I'm just I'm that's a blessing. 0:23:11.200 --> 0:23:14.359 Anybody who thinks it's not a blessing, better ups is hiring. 0:23:14.760 --> 0:23:17.040 So you and Kyle went from the time y'all made 0:23:17.119 --> 0:23:18.880 Night and Day? How did you? How did it get 0:23:18.960 --> 0:23:24.040 from there till you signing with Warner? Well, I have 0:23:24.840 --> 0:23:28.560 I seen my question before that what was a Sony 0:23:28.640 --> 0:23:31.960 Innovator and was it a real thing? Like I kept 0:23:32.080 --> 0:23:34.440 even before I heard you, I kept hearing on like 0:23:34.600 --> 0:23:39.080 Lee Bailey's radio Scope, So innovator, I'll be sure, Sony Innovator. 0:23:39.080 --> 0:23:41.520 And then you know, I like read Billboard, Sony Innovator, 0:23:41.600 --> 0:23:44.280 I'll be sure. And what the hell is the Sony? 0:23:44.400 --> 0:23:48.520 What was the Sony Innovator? Okay, Sony Innovator was Sony 0:23:48.560 --> 0:23:51.880 Corporation of America. We're looking for new signed and unsigned 0:23:51.960 --> 0:23:56.280 artists who were innovative musically. Um. They had three judges. 0:23:56.400 --> 0:23:59.480 I think it was you know, Tom Joyner, Deborah Crable 0:23:59.760 --> 0:24:04.000 from every Just Showcases and uh and someone else. They 0:24:04.119 --> 0:24:06.119 broke it down. Apparently they broke it down to a 0:24:06.240 --> 0:24:09.880 field of fifty one cassette tapes. The final judges were 0:24:10.040 --> 0:24:14.879 Herbie Hancock and Quincy Jones. And Quincy Jones chose Albie 0:24:14.920 --> 0:24:17.000 Show's tape. On that particular tape, I think I had 0:24:17.040 --> 0:24:18.520 with this love it so night and Day and like 0:24:18.600 --> 0:24:21.080 awful young girl on or something but just the demo versions. 0:24:21.640 --> 0:24:23.200 So this is even before the album came This is 0:24:23.280 --> 0:24:27.520 before the album came out. And in fact, Benny mcdina's assistant, 0:24:27.680 --> 0:24:29.720 Karen Jones, is one who submitted me for the for 0:24:29.840 --> 0:24:32.119 the contest um and she's the one who put the 0:24:32.160 --> 0:24:36.520 exclamation point on my name. She kept so yeah, so 0:24:36.600 --> 0:24:41.360 then you know that particular campaign, uh you know, kind 0:24:41.359 --> 0:24:44.800 of gave us to that signature in addition to co 0:24:45.040 --> 0:24:48.199 signing by you know that dude who did that thriller thing. 0:24:48.359 --> 0:24:51.600 You know, so imagine you know that was what a blessing. 0:24:51.640 --> 0:24:53.800 And then you know, we started to rock together and 0:24:53.960 --> 0:24:56.200 you know, came my big brother and and then I 0:24:56.320 --> 0:24:58.639 learned so much from him. Imagine being one of his 0:24:59.080 --> 0:25:02.880 his children. Um, when you're crawling around the living room 0:25:02.960 --> 0:25:06.280 and it's deep Chopra and it's Oprah and so so 0:25:06.359 --> 0:25:09.080 imagine those what those those young people would learn. Just 0:25:09.200 --> 0:25:12.160 in terms of philosophies from around the globe, it's it's 0:25:12.200 --> 0:25:15.320 truly truly amazing. Just so just when you're around Quincy, 0:25:15.400 --> 0:25:19.359 just shut up. Yeah, we just let him talk. I 0:25:19.400 --> 0:25:27.280 have hours and hours Wait wait did he ask you? 0:25:27.400 --> 0:25:31.000 Did he ask you the famous question, what's your gumbo. 0:25:32.680 --> 0:25:36.239 What's what's what? You have to ask him when he's 0:25:39.200 --> 0:25:42.040 those toes? Man to you still got cute toes. I 0:25:42.040 --> 0:25:43.639 showed him a picture of me when we to us 0:25:43.680 --> 0:25:45.200 together when I was like six. People like, did you 0:25:45.280 --> 0:25:47.359 have those toes? Then that's what I just asked. She 0:25:47.400 --> 0:25:48.840 had the cutest little toes. I used to play with 0:25:48.840 --> 0:25:52.240 the toes in the kitchen. We would sit her up 0:25:52.280 --> 0:25:55.040 to sit on the table and Indiana, we should be 0:25:55.119 --> 0:25:57.760 making some food and and literally you pull it to 0:25:57.800 --> 0:25:59.639 who are you going? What are you doing? You know, 0:26:02.240 --> 0:26:04.480 so you knew like when she was a kid, she 0:26:05.280 --> 0:26:08.240 see like he had trying to make like I knew. 0:26:08.440 --> 0:26:10.639 I knew you weren't have his thirteen like trying to 0:26:10.720 --> 0:26:13.320 make me sound like I'm like because because you had 0:26:13.359 --> 0:26:15.600 to be with nine or ten? You know what? Yes, 0:26:15.840 --> 0:26:19.600 I was like, that is correct, I'll be sure. When 0:26:19.640 --> 0:26:24.680 you was like I gotta feel like you know you 0:26:24.800 --> 0:26:29.240 guys waiting for me outside because as like friends, Me 0:26:29.359 --> 0:26:31.680 and him mets like my godmother's friend, you know what 0:26:31.680 --> 0:26:34.000 I mean? Like it was he was an elder of sorts. 0:26:34.160 --> 0:26:36.280 So with me and you, it was like let's go no, 0:26:37.320 --> 0:26:39.480 but you keep throwing the word thirteen in my face, 0:26:39.600 --> 0:26:46.040 like yeah, he was, Oh no, this is not sounding 0:26:46.080 --> 0:26:52.800 good back to exactly, so sorry, this is so wrong, please, 0:26:54.359 --> 0:27:00.119 oh my god. So he was there for like i 0:27:00.280 --> 0:27:03.200 AM's first year, was it the first were here for 0:27:03.240 --> 0:27:05.040 the first year. I was there when Diana made it 0:27:05.160 --> 0:27:07.280 up sitting in the in the in the kitchen, know 0:27:07.320 --> 0:27:08.800 a little breakfast nook that was in there with the 0:27:08.800 --> 0:27:10.760 windows and stuff. When she came up with the whole 0:27:10.840 --> 0:27:14.119 concept and the International met me in the house until 0:27:14.200 --> 0:27:21.200 like nineteen years later you went to the house. I 0:27:21.200 --> 0:27:25.800 don't know, didn't have enough, but she was an intern 0:27:25.920 --> 0:27:30.320 at the International International. Danna allowed me like set up cheers, yes, okay, 0:27:30.359 --> 0:27:34.520 so give us So Dana Williams, who is my godmother. 0:27:34.720 --> 0:27:37.040 She founded a she's she's the mother of Black music. Mom. 0:27:37.080 --> 0:27:39.040 She created that. She's a media coach. You see her 0:27:40.040 --> 0:27:42.359 all the time. But she also created one of the 0:27:42.520 --> 0:27:46.119 first music conferences called i AM, which was the International 0:27:46.160 --> 0:27:49.200 Association of African American Music. And every year she would 0:27:49.240 --> 0:27:51.960 bring people together and have had rapped Jack the Rapper, 0:27:54.920 --> 0:27:58.399 Whitney Houston and the new edition she liked. Yeah, but 0:27:59.200 --> 0:28:01.120 when you go to i AM, you know you're gonna 0:28:02.320 --> 0:28:06.480 be there safe. Yeah, you don't know what's gonna happen. 0:28:06.920 --> 0:28:08.879 What's crazy is I always tell our story through that 0:28:08.920 --> 0:28:10.520 because I was like when I when I first went, 0:28:10.600 --> 0:28:12.720 you were an intern and then you slowly kind of 0:28:12.840 --> 0:28:14.959 rose up through I am like you did the showcase 0:28:15.200 --> 0:28:17.280 and then you did the tribute to Jazzy Jeff, But 0:28:17.400 --> 0:28:22.000 it was like, yeah, I still didn't get to see 0:28:22.040 --> 0:28:24.520 what the inside of the house. But a very significant 0:28:24.560 --> 0:28:27.000 part of who Dianna Williams is as well as um, 0:28:27.160 --> 0:28:31.160 she is the amazing, amazing mom of uh Mr Kenny 0:28:31.240 --> 0:28:34.720 Gamble's children as well. Um, and you know which is 0:28:34.760 --> 0:28:37.640 Philadelphia International and kind of the blueprint of what we're 0:28:37.640 --> 0:28:41.080 all doing, um, you know, in terms of just that soul, 0:28:41.400 --> 0:28:45.160 true soul, just in your gut, in your soul music, 0:28:45.640 --> 0:28:49.120 spiritual church. She is a subject of a lot of 0:28:49.160 --> 0:28:57.360 those songs. Oh. Absolutely. The question I have about Uptown 0:28:57.400 --> 0:29:04.040 Records is why, well, no, no, no, why because I'm 0:29:04.080 --> 0:29:06.440 just noticing, at least in your case and also uh 0:29:07.280 --> 0:29:11.000 Ultra mcnagg m c's case. Um, you guys weren't on 0:29:11.240 --> 0:29:13.720 m C a proper, So how did you wind up 0:29:13.800 --> 0:29:18.480 on Warner Brothers through Uptown. Great question quest great questions. 0:29:18.560 --> 0:29:22.320 So I remember when they were doing the initial deal, 0:29:22.600 --> 0:29:25.360 Andre was dealing with the thing. Either Mike Halle or 0:29:25.560 --> 0:29:30.000 maybe was Ernie Singleton was there at the time, which 0:29:30.040 --> 0:29:31.959 I usually lives in Vegas. Neared me as well too, 0:29:32.080 --> 0:29:35.680 so um and uh okay, who was our guy over 0:29:37.160 --> 0:29:43.760 so the Ernie Singleton? Um ah, Timmy Regisford. Um, yeah, 0:29:43.920 --> 0:29:48.400 just you know that entire conglomerate of executives. Mike Halle, 0:29:49.040 --> 0:29:52.040 I think they brought a group of remember the uptowns 0:29:52.080 --> 0:29:54.160 kicking it so so so they were all the rappers 0:29:54.200 --> 0:29:56.120 and they had all the rappers, so I wasn't necessarily 0:29:56.120 --> 0:29:58.800 included in that. Um. And then I just to be 0:29:58.880 --> 0:30:00.960 honest with you, which I think this is a good 0:30:01.080 --> 0:30:03.320 thing that I just think they didn't want to sign me. 0:30:04.840 --> 0:30:07.720 So at that point, so, um, you know, those nose 0:30:07.800 --> 0:30:10.200 are pretty good. You know that it's a more more 0:30:10.200 --> 0:30:13.640 of a motivator than anything else, you know, and they 0:30:13.680 --> 0:30:15.720 didn't want And this is after hearing night and day. 0:30:16.120 --> 0:30:17.760 I don't know, I don't know what they heard. I 0:30:17.840 --> 0:30:19.520 kind of at that point, I was more like just 0:30:19.840 --> 0:30:21.880 rocking with Teddy and you know, I was under the 0:30:21.920 --> 0:30:24.360 tutelage of Teddy and just sitting there every day and 0:30:24.440 --> 0:30:28.160 Teddy Studio learning you know, programming and song arrangement and 0:30:28.240 --> 0:30:30.760 structure and and just you know, I was honing in 0:30:30.840 --> 0:30:33.640 on those skills. Um, and Andre stuck me with him, 0:30:33.680 --> 0:30:36.240 So whatever that transaction that was going on was just 0:30:36.320 --> 0:30:39.560 more included in that uptown's kicking a package. Um. And 0:30:39.720 --> 0:30:44.680 then he wound up taking me to l A and 0:30:45.240 --> 0:30:47.440 he said, listen, let's go, let's go get this bread. 0:30:48.440 --> 0:30:52.280 I have an idea. And he brought me to record 0:30:52.320 --> 0:30:56.960 executive Benny Medina and who was senior VP and A 0:30:57.200 --> 0:31:01.800 at Warner Brothers at that point. And um, that's where 0:31:01.880 --> 0:31:04.760 we went, you know initially and then so first and 0:31:04.840 --> 0:31:10.240 foremost they gave us a singles deal. So yes, I 0:31:10.320 --> 0:31:12.880 was like, oh, like I had a time, Like I 0:31:12.960 --> 0:31:15.840 had a real you know reason to go. Oh I 0:31:15.840 --> 0:31:17.640 should have been I shouldn't have been happy, you know, 0:31:17.760 --> 0:31:21.000 getting any deal. Um. But but but again you know 0:31:21.040 --> 0:31:25.120 that step mount burning. You know, I should have told him, 0:31:29.960 --> 0:31:31.720 but I was supposed to set you for the deal. 0:31:32.640 --> 0:31:39.120 Just run all over me on the st question hard 0:31:39.200 --> 0:31:44.480 to tell, right, Um? Yeah, so you know he brought 0:31:44.520 --> 0:31:46.720 me over to to Benny's Off. And it's funny because 0:31:46.840 --> 0:31:50.680 I finally watched my entire song. I always was always 0:31:50.680 --> 0:31:53.160 afraid to watch it because for the first year, and 0:31:53.280 --> 0:31:54.880 I'll get back to why I was saying it. For 0:31:54.920 --> 0:31:58.360 the first year, Um, I did the voice offers for song. Yeah, 0:32:00.000 --> 0:32:03.520 it so that so you're the one that always ends 0:32:03.560 --> 0:32:12.120 wraps career then rap kid. So what happened was so 0:32:12.200 --> 0:32:14.000 the first the first season, when they were just launching 0:32:14.040 --> 0:32:19.080 the show, it was Phillis Hyman, the Clark's sisters, DeBarge, 0:32:19.720 --> 0:32:22.040 and I believe Donnie Hathaway. So those are the first 0:32:22.080 --> 0:32:24.160 four episodes, just as a test run to see how 0:32:24.200 --> 0:32:28.240 it worked out. And then uh, and then they moved 0:32:28.280 --> 0:32:30.360 some of the executives around the TV one and then 0:32:30.400 --> 0:32:32.400 I got you know, somebody's brought in their own person 0:32:32.480 --> 0:32:34.880 to do it. But um but it was it was 0:32:34.920 --> 0:32:37.160 a great experience and I loved doing the voice over 0:32:37.200 --> 0:32:40.520 thinking obviously had been doing radio for many years, and um, 0:32:40.760 --> 0:32:43.920 so just it was a great opportunity. But the show 0:32:44.040 --> 0:32:48.760 for me was like you're dead and jumped off a building, 0:32:48.960 --> 0:32:51.400 or you heroin out or you know, you tweaked out 0:32:51.480 --> 0:32:53.800 or something. So so I was asked to do it 0:32:53.840 --> 0:32:55.640 a few times, and I was like, no, maybe not 0:32:55.720 --> 0:32:57.760 a good idea. I'm not dead. I don't think y'all 0:32:57.800 --> 0:33:00.239 know how I still live out in Vegas. So um 0:33:00.400 --> 0:33:03.240 so you know. So then as time went on, it 0:33:03.480 --> 0:33:06.160 turned into me it turned into more of a docuseries 0:33:06.320 --> 0:33:09.479 type style of show. Um, you know, depicting the artist's 0:33:09.520 --> 0:33:11.920 life and and then you know the ups and downs 0:33:12.000 --> 0:33:13.800 and so and so forth. So it wasn't necessarily there's 0:33:14.240 --> 0:33:17.160 you know, death part, because a lot of times casts 0:33:17.200 --> 0:33:19.120 will get like we'll see a kind of resurgence in 0:33:19.240 --> 0:33:24.040 their music, um, like a brother like the interest. Yeah, 0:33:24.080 --> 0:33:25.920 and and then and then what it was great about 0:33:25.920 --> 0:33:27.400 it too is you know, cats like to get their 0:33:27.440 --> 0:33:29.760 little we can't bread up a little something. I'm on TV. 0:33:29.920 --> 0:33:32.240 You know, I got a new series. It's great, it's 0:33:32.280 --> 0:33:38.720 the same record whatever. But um yeah, So so I 0:33:39.200 --> 0:33:41.200 enjoyed it as well. And then at that point I had, 0:33:41.360 --> 0:33:43.160 you know, I tasted a little bit in terms of 0:33:43.280 --> 0:33:45.680 like production. So I've I've always wanted to direct and 0:33:45.800 --> 0:33:48.160 and and to us I had an opportunity to, Um, 0:33:48.640 --> 0:33:51.040 I'm executive producer on the Jamie Fox HBO special. I 0:33:51.160 --> 0:33:53.640 might need security, so I started doing those things like that, 0:33:53.680 --> 0:33:55.120 and I said, listen, this is this is something and 0:33:55.120 --> 0:33:58.360 again a quincy thing is looked. I'll be uh you know, 0:33:58.480 --> 0:34:01.560 there's a point in your life when there's anything available 0:34:01.560 --> 0:34:02.840 to do, you just do it, you know, and just 0:34:02.960 --> 0:34:05.360 make it. You know. So he was just always honing 0:34:05.400 --> 0:34:10.120 in on that don't be one dimensional um aspect, and 0:34:10.440 --> 0:34:12.840 uh I just wanted to Uh, I wanted to experience that. 0:34:12.920 --> 0:34:14.600 But I really really like that. And then we started 0:34:14.640 --> 0:34:16.799 working on like I think I was working on Clint 0:34:16.800 --> 0:34:18.879 Eastwood was working on a new network called the Back 0:34:19.000 --> 0:34:21.719 nine network was a competition to the Golf Channel, and 0:34:21.920 --> 0:34:23.880 uh so I was in that aspect of it. You know, 0:34:23.920 --> 0:34:26.720 I'm always trying to do it. I love Anteller revenue streams. 0:34:27.520 --> 0:34:30.080 So so it's not about you know, it's not a 0:34:31.080 --> 0:34:41.520 flatwear but and you understanding, very specifically as an artist 0:34:41.560 --> 0:34:46.520 with a very strong brand um pray significantly you there's 0:34:46.560 --> 0:34:50.480 a market out there too, you know that is truly 0:34:50.560 --> 0:34:53.000 interested in what your brand has to offer, whether it's 0:34:53.000 --> 0:34:55.920 toothpaste or whether it's you know, a drum pad or 0:34:56.480 --> 0:34:59.839 you know anything. You know, yeah, but anything, yes, all 0:35:00.040 --> 0:35:04.160 flat Yeah, Now that's just that's the George Foreman. I think, 0:35:04.200 --> 0:35:06.160 to think about it, you think about it. There's a 0:35:06.239 --> 0:35:10.120 generation who has no idea he can punch your lights out. 0:35:10.880 --> 0:35:18.560 All they know is fish, you know. And how cute 0:35:18.640 --> 0:35:20.600 is he? Look at this? Look at that man with 0:35:20.680 --> 0:35:22.880 the bull head. He cute? He could say, he's a 0:35:23.040 --> 0:35:27.160 lovely You don't know. George was a beast. George a 0:35:27.200 --> 0:35:30.920 movie yourself, A gets you. He does he does inventors, 0:35:31.520 --> 0:35:34.520 inventors dot com or whatever? That absolutely and and and 0:35:34.640 --> 0:35:36.879 what's what's significant? And this is something I would tell 0:35:36.920 --> 0:35:40.359 any of these new artists very specifically, what invent help? 0:35:40.440 --> 0:35:43.880 And then help you? Um calling Ben help? That's my 0:35:44.000 --> 0:35:49.840 friends of my friends. Um. And what very specifically what 0:35:50.080 --> 0:35:52.759 I would suggest to some of the newer artists out 0:35:52.840 --> 0:35:56.960 there who obviously the record industry is defunct in terms 0:35:57.000 --> 0:35:59.640 of the way it used to be so um, obviously 0:35:59.719 --> 0:36:02.720 it's mostly social media driven. Like if there's a major 0:36:02.840 --> 0:36:05.960 role in the Spielberg has a major role, obviously, Um, 0:36:06.640 --> 0:36:09.680 you know, if Justin Bieber and Tom Cruise, Justin Bieber 0:36:09.760 --> 0:36:12.200 just might get the role because he's gonna guarantee them 0:36:12.320 --> 0:36:14.160 far and he's gonna guarantee them number one at the 0:36:14.239 --> 0:36:16.960 box office. Now maybe Tom Cruise, maybe you know, a 0:36:17.040 --> 0:36:19.480 more accomplished and a better actor, But right now it's 0:36:19.520 --> 0:36:23.040 about the shareholders. So so right now, if you're a 0:36:23.120 --> 0:36:25.279 new artist and you're coming in with a following, and 0:36:25.360 --> 0:36:28.840 you have a significant social media following, and you've generated 0:36:28.880 --> 0:36:33.239 your your your personal grind is generated millions of followers. Um, 0:36:33.440 --> 0:36:35.440 you can for the most part write your own ticket 0:36:35.640 --> 0:36:37.040 and you basically they just want you to do all 0:36:37.080 --> 0:36:39.800 the work for them. There you go, there you go, 0:36:39.960 --> 0:36:41.520 and and but the key to it is if you 0:36:41.600 --> 0:36:44.880 do come with that as as part of your arsenal 0:36:45.080 --> 0:36:47.719 or your portfolio, make sure that you do what's called 0:36:47.840 --> 0:36:51.480 Arnold Palmer business. And with the way Arnold Palmer does 0:36:51.560 --> 0:36:54.359 business is the same significance of like how Shaquille does 0:36:54.440 --> 0:36:57.879 and so on and so forth. Instead of endorsing a brand, Yeah, 0:36:58.160 --> 0:36:59.520 let me get this bread here, give me you know 0:36:59.640 --> 0:37:02.239 that's great, give me ten million, so and so forth. No, No, 0:37:02.840 --> 0:37:05.759 that's cool, give me that ten stack. But also I 0:37:05.840 --> 0:37:08.800 need an equity state in addition to I need to 0:37:08.840 --> 0:37:11.240 be a part of the excess strategy of this company. 0:37:11.320 --> 0:37:18.400 So when it goes public, we're in the money. Well, 0:37:18.480 --> 0:37:21.080 there you go. And it's funny. I that was my 0:37:21.200 --> 0:37:24.480 first meeting with the rock in Chicago with Diagio Brand Liquors, 0:37:24.480 --> 0:37:26.200 and I remember that when they offered me that deal, 0:37:26.719 --> 0:37:31.800 I guess somebody better got it. I'm gonna come on, 0:37:31.800 --> 0:37:34.200 I'm proud because come on, straight up money. And I 0:37:34.280 --> 0:37:36.360 am so proud of people. Don't realize. Let's set the 0:37:36.360 --> 0:37:39.840 record straight right now. I am so proud of dude 0:37:40.200 --> 0:37:44.040 in terms of first of all, being from you know, 0:37:44.520 --> 0:37:47.120 the streets of Mount Vernon and and and it's come 0:37:47.200 --> 0:37:48.400 up and I used this. It's funny cause I used 0:37:48.400 --> 0:37:50.720 to always. That's why I told kim Us to tell Kimberly. 0:37:50.760 --> 0:37:54.400 I said, well, Kimberlina, that's my baby. High Kim, I 0:37:54.560 --> 0:38:01.400 missed you kill you know, so no, no, no, no, 0:38:01.520 --> 0:38:04.080 first you know that was my that was my my sweetheart. 0:38:04.120 --> 0:38:06.279 That was moved it from Columbus, Georgia, and I put 0:38:06.360 --> 0:38:08.200 in a nice apartment with my sister up in the 0:38:08.280 --> 0:38:12.160 river day. Yes. Actually I just started writing the book 0:38:12.200 --> 0:38:15.920 to book. Yeah, it's called From Mount Vernon to the 0:38:16.000 --> 0:38:19.520 Moon and back. So I'm looking for a publisher eventually, 0:38:19.760 --> 0:38:21.400 and and my life story as well, because you know, 0:38:21.920 --> 0:38:26.600 Bobby's just coming out. This Bobby Brown's coming Jesus Christ. 0:38:27.640 --> 0:38:29.680 We'll talk about it too, because it's so much, it's 0:38:29.680 --> 0:38:32.560 so much more than just you know, the guy who 0:38:32.640 --> 0:38:35.000 made this is funny because curly lights can do made 0:38:35.080 --> 0:38:39.880 night and day. It's it's only only listen. I have 0:38:40.000 --> 0:38:44.200 to say that my introduction to you was sort of 0:38:44.239 --> 0:38:48.800 semi backwards because I'm a cousin that you might have 0:38:48.880 --> 0:38:59.560 went out with her exactly, but I was told she 0:38:59.719 --> 0:39:07.560 told me that you were regularly, regularly get accosted by police, 0:39:07.760 --> 0:39:12.480 like threatened for just walking down the block. Yeah, like 0:39:12.920 --> 0:39:15.719 just to walk down the block would cause such a commotion. 0:39:16.840 --> 0:39:19.240 They were like, we will arrest you if you continue 0:39:19.280 --> 0:39:22.360 to walk in this morning, I got arrested Virginia on 0:39:22.480 --> 0:39:29.400 Virginia Beach. Wait a minute, you Oh, I got it, 0:39:29.920 --> 0:39:33.080 got it? What quest I got it? You know what 0:39:33.200 --> 0:39:36.480 happened was so I didn't even understand the magnitude of 0:39:36.560 --> 0:39:39.560 what was transpiring at this point. So we would we 0:39:39.880 --> 0:39:42.440 so back and remember I just got a dollar over 0:39:42.560 --> 0:39:43.839 lunch money, and you know I had to go get 0:39:43.880 --> 0:39:47.279 that new maximum with the rims on it right to 0:39:47.440 --> 0:39:50.560 me and my boys. We got into Maximum we drove 0:39:50.640 --> 0:39:52.879 down because because the big thing was spring break, either 0:39:52.960 --> 0:39:55.000 Howard home Coming or whatever, not even that we were 0:39:55.040 --> 0:39:56.879 really old enough at that point, but we just want 0:39:56.920 --> 0:39:58.680 to be in the mix. So that's where the girls are. 0:39:59.000 --> 0:40:02.719 So we would I'm sorry, well this is this point 0:40:03.320 --> 0:40:05.400 and then right here because we would go down and 0:40:05.440 --> 0:40:06.840 it would just you know, just be a lot of 0:40:07.080 --> 0:40:10.600 you know, really nice looking at and some joints. Right 0:40:10.840 --> 0:40:14.879 so now so now afterwards, so I guess my boys 0:40:14.920 --> 0:40:16.680 wanted to play a joke because I didn't realize what 0:40:16.800 --> 0:40:20.000 I didn't realize what happened. Let's let's rewind slightly. Let's 0:40:20.000 --> 0:40:22.879 go to Madison Square Garden. There was a tournament going 0:40:22.960 --> 0:40:24.759 on and I believe it was like either McDonald's or 0:40:24.800 --> 0:40:27.560 something going on. And my cousin Akbar said, hey, let's 0:40:27.600 --> 0:40:29.359 go to this thing that you know, the radio station 0:40:29.400 --> 0:40:32.040 there is promote this thing. So I don't know how 0:40:32.120 --> 0:40:33.799 we got tickets, but he got tickets and we went 0:40:33.880 --> 0:40:38.560 there and it was either halftime and I think Shaquille 0:40:38.600 --> 0:40:40.160 O'Neill was playing in the year I think it was 0:40:40.200 --> 0:40:41.719 on l s U at that point or something like that. 0:40:41.800 --> 0:40:44.439 Maybe it was way back then, so I remember going 0:40:44.520 --> 0:40:47.000 up to go get um some beverage and the hot 0:40:47.040 --> 0:40:50.080 dog or something, and I had going up. Now, I 0:40:50.239 --> 0:40:55.799 didn't realize that Ralph McDaniel video Music Box had been 0:40:55.880 --> 0:40:58.440 playing my video for like a week or two weeks. 0:40:59.440 --> 0:41:02.680 So mine you. I go up, I go get my 0:41:02.760 --> 0:41:05.440 hot dog. I turned around and I didn't know this 0:41:05.600 --> 0:41:07.880 is half time, I mean halftime, you know, like so 0:41:09.160 --> 0:41:12.000 it's full of like schoolgirls and people. I turned around 0:41:13.120 --> 0:41:18.600 and they started screaming, that's that boy. Oh that's that's 0:41:18.640 --> 0:41:20.480 all I heard. That's and then they all jumped on 0:41:20.560 --> 0:41:23.680 top of me. He's dreams. I don't even think. I 0:41:26.080 --> 0:41:28.160 don't even it's funny because I don't even think I 0:41:28.200 --> 0:41:30.640 could afford those yet, Like I didn't get a budget 0:41:30.760 --> 0:41:33.160 or nothing that I had. I may have had some 0:41:33.280 --> 0:41:36.239 pro kids with the strife on the South, but but 0:41:36.600 --> 0:41:40.320 but it was it was such a scary situation for 0:41:40.480 --> 0:41:43.000 me because what happened was I got snatched up by 0:41:43.080 --> 0:41:47.239 security saying I started a fight. So everywhere I would 0:41:47.239 --> 0:41:48.960 go to a mall, I would go to different places 0:41:49.200 --> 0:41:52.080 and the security coup. Like so let's passed forward to 0:41:52.160 --> 0:41:55.520 Virginia Beach. We're on Virginia Beach, That's how I met Mookie, 0:41:56.280 --> 0:41:58.760 who used to body gulf for LLL and run DMC 0:41:59.200 --> 0:42:00.719 because he was there with a bunch of New York 0:42:00.760 --> 0:42:02.839 giants and so on and so forth. So we get there, 0:42:02.960 --> 0:42:07.480 we park and we decide, you know, we're gonna walk 0:42:07.520 --> 0:42:12.160 on the beach. That was such a mistake. So all 0:42:12.239 --> 0:42:14.920 I know is that it started, and the running started 0:42:14.960 --> 0:42:17.120 and the screaming and saw something. I'm trying to figure 0:42:17.120 --> 0:42:21.400 out what's like dead, I'm dead ass what is going on? 0:42:22.320 --> 0:42:25.480 And it was me the police on social media to 0:42:25.600 --> 0:42:28.160 let you know that. Yeah, no, I had no idea. 0:42:28.280 --> 0:42:30.360 So so the police came. And then what happens. I 0:42:30.400 --> 0:42:33.040 got trapped in either eye hopped or whatever was there 0:42:33.160 --> 0:42:35.560 at that point, whatever was on that part of the beach. 0:42:35.800 --> 0:42:38.040 I got trapped in the store and they were shaking 0:42:38.080 --> 0:42:39.759 the windows and breaking the window and trying to get 0:42:39.800 --> 0:42:43.319 to me. Um, and then I remember it was helicopters. 0:42:43.680 --> 0:42:46.439 We were you down there. But I've heard this story 0:42:46.440 --> 0:42:48.600 and I thought this has to be an exaggeration. The 0:42:48.680 --> 0:42:51.279 fact that you're actually verifying it, I can't believe. Like, 0:42:51.960 --> 0:42:54.880 so I went thirty years not believing the story. So um. 0:42:55.120 --> 0:42:57.399 So then they came and they put me in. They 0:42:57.680 --> 0:42:58.920 tried to get there. It was a whole. It was 0:42:58.960 --> 0:43:01.759 like a riot. And they finally got to me and 0:43:01.840 --> 0:43:03.239 they put me in the car and they took me 0:43:03.360 --> 0:43:06.600 to jail because I said I incited a riot and 0:43:06.680 --> 0:43:08.520 I'm like, sir, I don't know what. I don't know 0:43:08.600 --> 0:43:10.960 what a riot is, Sir, I'm not of that nature. 0:43:11.200 --> 0:43:16.600 Thank you very much. On for Mount Vernon comprehend that 0:43:16.680 --> 0:43:18.920 you were celebrity, and I guess it's weird to say that, 0:43:19.040 --> 0:43:21.799 like guys, I'm sort of a big deal or like yeah, 0:43:21.840 --> 0:43:26.359 but because I have right but different. But the whole 0:43:26.400 --> 0:43:28.879 of a BT was everywhere, so you know, video soul 0:43:28.960 --> 0:43:33.399 and BT and the music box and what I say, um, 0:43:34.640 --> 0:43:38.719 I don't even remember, to be honest with you, yeah 0:43:41.200 --> 0:43:43.960 sometimes no but but no. But but the point was 0:43:44.239 --> 0:43:46.319 that they were actually right and doing what they were 0:43:46.360 --> 0:43:48.719 doing because they didn't know. All they know is that 0:43:48.880 --> 0:43:51.719 whatever I did started like literally they broke all the 0:43:51.800 --> 0:43:55.920 windows in the gas station. Women, this is this is 0:43:56.200 --> 0:44:01.040 some dudes too, and what was it was crazy. So 0:44:01.600 --> 0:44:04.520 once we started seeing that happen, Um, so I remember, 0:44:04.680 --> 0:44:07.040 I think it's funny. Andrea tells the story I'm gonna 0:44:07.040 --> 0:44:09.560 get I'll get you the clip. Andrea tells the story. 0:44:10.280 --> 0:44:12.760 And because I went to the office, to the uptown office, 0:44:12.760 --> 0:44:14.800 and I said, and that's when we got an office 0:44:14.840 --> 0:44:17.719 on fifty seven Street. And I said, Trey, come with me. 0:44:18.520 --> 0:44:20.520 He says what I said, just come with me. Just 0:44:20.680 --> 0:44:21.960 come walk down the street with me. I want to 0:44:21.960 --> 0:44:25.960 show you something. He's like, okay, So we we go 0:44:26.360 --> 0:44:31.960 and go outside. We're walking. It turns into a slow job. 0:44:32.880 --> 0:44:35.239 It turns in people screaming from buses from this, and 0:44:35.520 --> 0:44:37.920 like I'm trying to figuet like and I look at 0:44:37.960 --> 0:44:40.160 it like this, and as you know, from a child, 0:44:40.200 --> 0:44:41.719 I don't have a bean bone in my body. So 0:44:41.760 --> 0:44:43.400 I'm just trying to figure out how do we market this. 0:44:48.280 --> 0:44:50.840 I didn't know back then, but that's what my thought process, 0:44:50.840 --> 0:44:52.959 because even even when I would go to Warner Brothers, 0:44:52.960 --> 0:44:55.480 I remember trying to make sure I educated some of 0:44:55.520 --> 0:44:58.120 the staff there as it related to I would see 0:44:58.120 --> 0:45:00.560 a commercial and I would see who that who? I 0:45:00.640 --> 0:45:04.239 want some candy? Give me some of that. Can't you 0:45:04.239 --> 0:45:06.320 know it's funny that you had some sweets to me 0:45:06.400 --> 0:45:10.200 because I because because okay, no, don't play with me. 0:45:10.280 --> 0:45:13.200 I got some alma eminem. I don't play him. You 0:45:13.280 --> 0:45:15.960 know what, No, I can't happen, you know, because I 0:45:16.080 --> 0:45:19.040 just lost eighty pounds. And the way I did it 0:45:19.280 --> 0:45:25.080 was I cut out sugar, rice, bread, pasta, and I 0:45:25.160 --> 0:45:28.520 don't drink soda anymore. So and then and then you 0:45:28.600 --> 0:45:30.480 know all the other stuff I did because because I 0:45:30.880 --> 0:45:33.319 you know, I guess I could. We're getting it right here. 0:45:33.320 --> 0:45:35.399 I'm giving it the quest right now because I never 0:45:35.440 --> 0:45:37.799 talked about this, because you know, that's why, that's why 0:45:37.960 --> 0:45:39.799 you don't see me all over reality. She was playing 0:45:39.840 --> 0:45:43.400 myself except for one you know. But but what I 0:45:43.480 --> 0:45:47.920 did was I really just decided just to take this seriously. 0:45:48.000 --> 0:45:50.040 I was turning fifty and all the stuff I was 0:45:50.040 --> 0:45:52.120 supposed to do as a black man in terms of 0:45:52.800 --> 0:45:54.960 you know, colonoscopy, all this stuff. You know, there's a 0:45:55.040 --> 0:45:56.800 rule book. Okay, you're black man, so you need to 0:45:56.840 --> 0:45:59.080 do this, this, this, and let them put the camera here. 0:45:59.080 --> 0:46:01.800 I'm like, at least buy me some flyers there. So 0:46:02.520 --> 0:46:04.440 it's a big pain in the butt. So but but 0:46:04.600 --> 0:46:07.279 but you have exactly right, um, but you have to, 0:46:07.320 --> 0:46:10.520 you know, something you're supposed to do. And so I 0:46:10.600 --> 0:46:12.480 waited until I was turning fifty to do it. So 0:46:12.480 --> 0:46:15.319 I took off like six months and then they went 0:46:15.400 --> 0:46:19.120 in with the cameras calling out to the E U K, 0:46:19.600 --> 0:46:22.560 element O, P whatever, just whatever, what's just everything? So 0:46:22.800 --> 0:46:26.279 we went in look check on X y Z and 0:46:26.360 --> 0:46:28.799 then you know whatever, we'll just say whatever they saw. 0:46:28.920 --> 0:46:32.440 I said, listen, whatever I don't need after fifty, just 0:46:32.560 --> 0:46:35.879 take it out, just leave my heart and we're good. 0:46:36.400 --> 0:46:38.880 So um, so I went through that process and you know, 0:46:39.200 --> 0:46:41.680 and went in and said, listen, I need to I 0:46:41.800 --> 0:46:45.400 need my health. I'm dealing with diabetes type two. My 0:46:45.560 --> 0:46:47.600 grandson the most important. I don't even get old the 0:46:47.640 --> 0:46:49.759 motion right now because my grandson is everything. That's my 0:46:49.880 --> 0:46:54.040 little too right there. So um, he came over to 0:46:54.120 --> 0:46:56.160 me and said, pop ups, because you can't call me 0:46:56.239 --> 0:47:01.120 grandfather like A's pop ups. And he says, you know, popps, 0:47:01.280 --> 0:47:06.040 uh that's you. You like Santa Claus saying you can't 0:47:06.040 --> 0:47:08.439 bring me gifts and everything. Right. So when he said 0:47:08.480 --> 0:47:09.640 that to me and I looked at him, I was 0:47:09.719 --> 0:47:12.759 like from the mouth of Babes and I was like wow, 0:47:13.120 --> 0:47:15.480 And I said and for me, because it's not because 0:47:16.920 --> 0:47:20.320 what's crazy? And I've never said this before, but the 0:47:20.440 --> 0:47:22.920 weight Gaine and all the other stuff was me running 0:47:22.960 --> 0:47:27.200 from that sexy ship because I wasn't happy with that 0:47:27.239 --> 0:47:30.600 because I'm straight in New York street cat from Mount Vernon. 0:47:31.160 --> 0:47:32.840 Don't let them, don't let the love songs full you. 0:47:32.960 --> 0:47:36.120 I'm still that straight from Mount Vernon, like and and 0:47:36.440 --> 0:47:38.279 you know, I'm zall brown like you know, just that's 0:47:38.320 --> 0:47:40.719 what I grew up. So all that putting me in 0:47:40.800 --> 0:47:43.640 that category and in that lane I was. I've always been. 0:47:43.960 --> 0:47:46.880 You've always been uncomfortable being a celebrity, like everywhere I go, 0:47:46.960 --> 0:47:50.839 it's like, and I'm truly you hated that at the time. 0:47:51.160 --> 0:47:53.320 After a while they lost his luster and people just 0:47:53.600 --> 0:47:55.560 know I was just I was just scared, right, I 0:47:55.680 --> 0:47:57.960 was scared to go anywhere and do anything that was 0:47:58.360 --> 0:48:02.759 technically enjoyed it. It sounds like they're the closest thing. 0:48:02.880 --> 0:48:04.480 Is funny, because Drey would say it all the time. 0:48:04.480 --> 0:48:06.720 He said, this is the closest thing to Michael Jackson 0:48:06.840 --> 0:48:08.880 he's ever seen. He said, he said, as much as 0:48:08.920 --> 0:48:11.239 we've been everything like I had Elvis and then I 0:48:11.280 --> 0:48:14.080 guess you know that's quoting him on the on one 0:48:14.160 --> 0:48:18.200 song and it was, like I said, but this gave 0:48:18.239 --> 0:48:22.799 me an opportunity to have my vehicle of expression, which 0:48:22.800 --> 0:48:25.239 is my music reached the masses and the planet and 0:48:25.320 --> 0:48:26.640 so and so forth, and and and I had my 0:48:26.640 --> 0:48:28.680 little niche that. Mind you, I'm not Michael Jackson, I'm 0:48:28.680 --> 0:48:31.080 not Tom Cruise. You know, most cats gas themselves and 0:48:31.080 --> 0:48:33.200 they think they're too big. And it's like, no, I 0:48:33.320 --> 0:48:35.200 know where Albi Shure is, and I know I gotta 0:48:35.280 --> 0:48:37.560 I know my sweet spot in terms of my core audience, 0:48:37.600 --> 0:48:40.279 and and I and I focus on them. I don't 0:48:40.320 --> 0:48:41.800 try to go to outside of it. But what I 0:48:41.880 --> 0:48:43.719 do is I love all types of music. So that's 0:48:43.719 --> 0:48:47.320 why I enjoy working with David Bowie, Robert Palmer, Rod Stewart, 0:48:47.640 --> 0:48:50.880 Al Green. You know, I'm saying so so because I 0:48:50.920 --> 0:48:53.760 saw that's what I listened to on AM radio growing 0:48:53.840 --> 0:48:55.400 up as a kid in my back of my father's 0:48:55.440 --> 0:49:00.560 Color Supreme he would have on CBS radio. So I'm listening. 0:49:00.560 --> 0:49:03.000 So I'm listening to the Eagles, I'm listening to Journey, 0:49:03.080 --> 0:49:07.719 I'm listening to uh Chicago. You know, I'm listening to 0:49:07.880 --> 0:49:11.040 all you know, an eclectic version of what music is. 0:49:11.120 --> 0:49:13.400 So there was no color to it for me. So 0:49:13.719 --> 0:49:15.640 that's why I love, like one of my favorite artists 0:49:15.680 --> 0:49:18.640 on the planet, this thing what I love. Can I 0:49:18.640 --> 0:49:21.120 ask a question since you mentioned that, sir, do you 0:49:21.160 --> 0:49:26.320 remember the first record you ever purchased, your very first record? 0:49:26.520 --> 0:49:29.359 It had to be a Jackson five record. It had 0:49:29.440 --> 0:49:31.960 to be UM or Stevie Wonder record. Maybe maybe it was. 0:49:32.520 --> 0:49:35.880 It could have been well, you know what, wait a minute, 0:49:35.920 --> 0:49:37.960 it might have been a Pastel the Bell record. And 0:49:38.040 --> 0:49:40.799 let me tell you why. Because the record player whatever 0:49:40.920 --> 0:49:42.959 my mother was playing on the record players or something. 0:49:43.120 --> 0:49:45.319 So I would do rehearsals in the in the living 0:49:45.400 --> 0:49:47.719 room and I would but see, I remember, I got 0:49:47.800 --> 0:49:49.279 a whoop him because I used to try to take 0:49:49.320 --> 0:49:51.200 everything apart. I thought was an engineers. I would take 0:49:51.200 --> 0:49:53.160 the record play apart. It would take the TV apart. 0:49:53.440 --> 0:49:54.960 My mother would care, but mother would come in and 0:49:55.040 --> 0:49:58.800 the TV be apart. Don't take the cutless supreme apart 0:49:58.880 --> 0:50:07.920 man man. So eventually, so eventually you had to realize 0:50:08.000 --> 0:50:13.279 that you needed an entourage just to protect you and 0:50:13.360 --> 0:50:15.640 protect you from the public, because I mean, I can 0:50:15.760 --> 0:50:21.240 imagine and what you mentioned about like just not wanting 0:50:21.239 --> 0:50:23.440 to be known for just like the pretty boy at 0:50:23.440 --> 0:50:25.319 the moment that stuff, and that you're a real artist. 0:50:25.400 --> 0:50:28.520 And that's thing I know that that whereas that that 0:50:29.200 --> 0:50:34.560 grows old quick fast. Yeah exactly. I was about to say, 0:50:34.640 --> 0:50:36.840 d has the same story. And you know, like looking 0:50:37.920 --> 0:50:39.560 it always seems like the grass is greener on the 0:50:39.640 --> 0:50:41.360 other side. Because I was just like, yo, man, like 0:50:42.719 --> 0:50:44.399 at the snap of a finger, you could be Prince 0:50:44.440 --> 0:50:47.960 I Kim all right, and the royal petis is clean. 0:50:51.040 --> 0:50:53.319 But to hear you say it, you know, it's like, well, 0:50:53.440 --> 0:50:56.000 you know, I'm human and I have the artistic expressions 0:50:56.080 --> 0:50:58.799 and those things, and so it wasn't all right. I'm 0:50:58.840 --> 0:51:01.640 like you, I take this seriously, like I consider this 0:51:01.719 --> 0:51:03.719 a blessing. And there's no you know, there's like I said, 0:51:03.719 --> 0:51:06.600 there's no I have. I don't have a veinbone in 0:51:06.640 --> 0:51:10.160 my body outside of my love for the music. I mean, 0:51:10.239 --> 0:51:12.520 that's my wife. The music is my wife, and anyone 0:51:12.560 --> 0:51:15.640 in my life is the mistress. So it's always going 0:51:15.680 --> 0:51:17.920 to be that way. And and and the reason I'm 0:51:17.960 --> 0:51:21.360 related to this day, and this is something I mentioned frequently, 0:51:21.520 --> 0:51:26.359 is the reason the digital footprint for this particular music, 0:51:26.400 --> 0:51:28.640 whether it be New Jack Swing or R and b music, 0:51:28.719 --> 0:51:30.200 and I try to be at the forefront. That's why 0:51:30.200 --> 0:51:33.120 I do radio, and I create as many media platforms 0:51:33.160 --> 0:51:35.640 I can to keep it out there and and make 0:51:35.680 --> 0:51:39.279 it do what to do. But um, the reason is 0:51:39.360 --> 0:51:45.080 so significant because we were at it's music is malnutrition 0:51:45.400 --> 0:51:48.720 right now. And and I'm saying that from the standom. 0:51:48.760 --> 0:51:50.600 Don't get me wrong, because I don't knock anyone's hustle 0:51:50.640 --> 0:51:54.960 because I love what technology has allowed other forms of 0:51:55.640 --> 0:51:57.600 their craft to be introduced to the world. So I 0:51:57.600 --> 0:51:59.680 don't knock that. It's not something I'd be listening to 0:51:59.800 --> 0:52:03.759 make love and so so both, you know. But the 0:52:03.920 --> 0:52:07.320 reason this music is so prominent and what we do, 0:52:08.480 --> 0:52:11.719 it's because there's a generation of women who were starving 0:52:11.760 --> 0:52:13.840 to be told I love you again. Talk about it? 0:52:14.520 --> 0:52:22.080 Oh sorry, you know and very significant, thank you, thank 0:52:22.120 --> 0:52:24.600 you very much much. Uh, there's you know, there's a 0:52:24.600 --> 0:52:26.600 generation of women who were starving to be told I 0:52:26.640 --> 0:52:29.160 love you again. So they gravitate towards this music, whether 0:52:29.200 --> 0:52:32.040 it's they don't even have to be me, whether Alby Shore, 0:52:32.160 --> 0:52:34.480 Bobby Brown, Earthwin and fire, let's even go there. Let's 0:52:34.480 --> 0:52:40.640 go the organic feeling. Um, there's an organic feeling. That's 0:52:40.719 --> 0:52:44.400 that's a necessity, that's that's that's medicine that's needed. Like 0:52:45.600 --> 0:52:47.759 do you realize what this world would be like with 0:52:47.920 --> 0:52:58.600 no music? Wouldn't be here about and outside of outside 0:52:58.680 --> 0:53:03.360 of just the the where it creates continuity as it 0:53:03.400 --> 0:53:06.680 relates to my way out of the hood. And so 0:53:07.120 --> 0:53:09.600 that's not it. It's so much more. I mean, obviously 0:53:09.680 --> 0:53:13.520 for a generation that has access now you know it 0:53:14.400 --> 0:53:16.759 can turn miracles for you, but you have to take 0:53:16.840 --> 0:53:18.880 it seriously as something you know, you can't take it 0:53:18.960 --> 0:53:21.560 for granted. It will take advantage of it. It's a woman, 0:53:22.560 --> 0:53:24.479 the same thing I would tell my sons about a woman. 0:53:24.719 --> 0:53:32.399 If you don't love her, leave her alone. Oh damn. 0:53:33.320 --> 0:53:35.440 It was like several questions just came from that last statement, 0:53:36.080 --> 0:53:42.120 but just ask one. Actually, I want to get to 0:53:42.200 --> 0:53:44.920 the music because I think it should be noted that 0:53:45.760 --> 0:53:50.279 with an effect mode literally with and I had to 0:53:50.320 --> 0:53:53.040 look it up, um, with the exception of Naturally mind 0:53:54.520 --> 0:53:57.359 and just to Taste of Love and literally I mean 0:53:57.440 --> 0:54:02.480 it was borderline neck and neck with Thriller with every 0:54:02.560 --> 0:54:05.480 song was and even if not officially a single, like 0:54:05.880 --> 0:54:09.480 Philly Radio even played the not like you know, kill 0:54:09.600 --> 0:54:12.840 me softly in this lovesode like album cut didn't relive me? 0:54:14.800 --> 0:54:20.439 So how do you feel as though you've gotten your 0:54:22.880 --> 0:54:26.600 just deserve? Just as far as like the acknowledgement that 0:54:26.880 --> 0:54:34.240 this album with seven known sas the line between single, 0:54:34.800 --> 0:54:40.200 single and filler, how important it is? And and how 0:54:40.280 --> 0:54:43.640 do you feel about the tag for New Jack Swing? 0:54:45.320 --> 0:54:48.880 It's you know, new Jack Swing pioneers sort of do 0:54:48.960 --> 0:54:51.680 you shrug it off as do you feel a date 0:54:51.800 --> 0:54:54.480 you or just under well? No, you know, I appreciate 0:54:54.560 --> 0:54:58.000 it because new Jack Swing. First of all, let's let's 0:54:58.120 --> 0:55:01.759 let's get um, let's give the just do where to do? 0:55:02.120 --> 0:55:06.279 Teddy Riley Theodore is the inventor of New Jack Swing. 0:55:06.400 --> 0:55:09.759 He took uh what he was influenced by. I mean, 0:55:09.840 --> 0:55:13.600 people don't realize Teddy did Duddy first the show, you know, 0:55:13.760 --> 0:55:16.080 like I mean obviously you guys would know it here. 0:55:16.120 --> 0:55:19.279 But um, that's one of the first swing records. Um. 0:55:19.840 --> 0:55:25.040 But the phrase the term was coined by a gentleman 0:55:25.080 --> 0:55:27.960 by the name of Babbitt Barry Michael Cooper, who was 0:55:28.080 --> 0:55:32.520 the contributor to all of those cult classic movies of 0:55:32.640 --> 0:55:35.640 the nineties, you know, the New Jack Swing, New Jackson, 0:55:35.680 --> 0:55:39.840 I mean New Jack Swing, Jack City, Jason's lyric above 0:55:39.920 --> 0:55:43.719 the Rim, you know, all of those those classic cult films. UM. 0:55:44.560 --> 0:55:47.400 And in fact, he's the one that I reached out to. 0:55:47.680 --> 0:55:51.759 We we we keep in touch frequently and UM dialogue 0:55:51.760 --> 0:55:56.080 about what this means so much to the point where 0:55:56.200 --> 0:56:00.400 he endorsed me. He just finished doing Spike Lee's on Netflix. Um, 0:56:00.960 --> 0:56:04.760 she's gonna have it right. So he and I agreed 0:56:04.880 --> 0:56:07.880 that he would be the author of my life story 0:56:08.600 --> 0:56:10.960 because he was you know, which is truly a blessing 0:56:11.080 --> 0:56:14.440 because he was there, he lived it, he understands it. 0:56:14.520 --> 0:56:18.320 It's organically from him. UM. Going back to your question quest, 0:56:18.440 --> 0:56:24.400 the Teddy Riley invented the genre. UM, and what we 0:56:24.520 --> 0:56:28.360 did was we created derivatives of it. So Eddie f 0:56:28.760 --> 0:56:32.359 had his version of what it was. Andre is funny. 0:56:32.400 --> 0:56:34.960 Andre just said and in an interview maybe it was 0:56:35.239 --> 0:56:37.520 the same one with south By. Only three people who 0:56:37.560 --> 0:56:39.440 really know how to do New Jack swingers, Eddief, I'll 0:56:39.440 --> 0:56:42.799 be showing Teddy Riley. I don't know. I think there's 0:56:42.840 --> 0:56:45.600 more than that, but I appreciate being a part of that. 0:56:47.280 --> 0:56:53.879 The from your question quest, I think I've never walked 0:56:53.920 --> 0:56:57.560 with my own flag. I didn't understand the marketing aspect 0:56:57.640 --> 0:56:59.360 of walking my own flag saying hey, you know this 0:56:59.440 --> 0:57:01.680 is from my next gig. You know, yeah I did this. 0:57:01.880 --> 0:57:03.680 What happens. I let a lot of people take credit 0:57:03.760 --> 0:57:08.000 for for my work. And I wasn't necessarily concerned about 0:57:08.040 --> 0:57:11.680 it because I wasn't concerned about being popular in that aspect, 0:57:11.719 --> 0:57:13.759 because that was already there, Like I was already out 0:57:13.760 --> 0:57:15.440 of me sure, So I wasn't worried about, oh, you 0:57:15.480 --> 0:57:16.800 know I did this, I wrote this, I wrote this. 0:57:16.880 --> 0:57:19.919 I was just more concerned about being popular city bank 0:57:23.520 --> 0:57:25.640 at this moment. Can you beat yourself up for a 0:57:25.680 --> 0:57:27.240 second real quick, because there might be some things that 0:57:27.280 --> 0:57:30.320 people don't know writing wise that you're like, yeah, but no, 0:57:30.440 --> 0:57:32.400 but now but seeven now. And that's the whole purpose 0:57:32.480 --> 0:57:35.880 of this whole you know, metamorphosis of turning fifty and 0:57:36.440 --> 0:57:40.520 now connecting reconnecting with my body, mind and spirit. Um 0:57:40.960 --> 0:57:42.840 my book, doing the book from mom running to the 0:57:42.880 --> 0:57:45.520 moon and back, and then also embarking on I'm looking 0:57:45.600 --> 0:57:47.440 for a home for my life story, you know. So, 0:57:48.320 --> 0:57:52.080 And I was gonna say that should the book get optioned, 0:57:53.200 --> 0:57:57.200 who would be Yeah, I was gonna say, would be 0:57:57.240 --> 0:58:07.520 the captain and obvious Chris Brown playing. That's a question 0:58:07.560 --> 0:58:09.560 from a singer standpointcause I don't know What'squincy can sing, 0:58:09.640 --> 0:58:11.760 because yeah, no, he gets down now, did you hear? So? 0:58:11.880 --> 0:58:14.360 You know, we did the remake Quincy and I remade 0:58:14.440 --> 0:58:18.280 Night and Day. Yeah, we have to guess what's so 0:58:18.960 --> 0:58:21.160 anybody listening if you want to see the video right now, 0:58:21.200 --> 0:58:25.520 we made a mini movie a Secret Garden Radio dot 0:58:25.640 --> 0:58:29.040 com forward Slash, Big and Strong. So we had the 0:58:29.120 --> 0:58:30.520 video we almost had. I think we probably over a 0:58:30.600 --> 0:58:32.960 million views now. But yeah, he remade that, but he 0:58:33.040 --> 0:58:35.560 did a new version to it, um and I was 0:58:35.640 --> 0:58:38.160 so proud because he called me your box came meet 0:58:38.200 --> 0:58:39.880 me in l A. I got surprised for you. So 0:58:39.960 --> 0:58:41.880 he started him and his man started working on it. 0:58:42.240 --> 0:58:44.280 And his man started working on it, and so I 0:58:44.400 --> 0:58:46.400 came in and I said, okay, just leave me alone here, 0:58:46.480 --> 0:58:48.600 let me just get this, get it together. So I 0:58:48.920 --> 0:58:53.120 took all the stems and so I had to flip, 0:58:53.320 --> 0:58:55.200 you know, and I put all the backgrounds on it 0:58:55.240 --> 0:58:57.800 and and then so yeah, so we we had fun 0:58:57.880 --> 0:58:59.680 with it. It was an amazing time because this is 0:58:59.720 --> 0:59:02.280 something that I've told my my young man, I said, listen, 0:59:03.040 --> 0:59:07.080 take pops catalog and use it as a springboard. Do you? 0:59:07.720 --> 0:59:10.320 But you utilize that this? You know, these songs played 0:59:10.360 --> 0:59:15.400 in in over a hundred countries, people who may not 0:59:15.520 --> 0:59:18.440 even have English as their first language, but they can 0:59:18.520 --> 0:59:23.560 recite the most Probably the most enlightening and the most 0:59:23.680 --> 0:59:29.000 humbling experience for me was coming from a studio apartment 0:59:29.040 --> 0:59:34.080 in Mount Vernon with me and moms and writing some 0:59:34.280 --> 0:59:37.040 of these songs on the back of my notepad, finding 0:59:37.160 --> 0:59:41.040 myself in Tokyo, Japan and from the ten thousand Japanese 0:59:41.080 --> 0:59:45.160 citizens singing every lyric to the song. That's not normal? 0:59:45.920 --> 0:59:48.320 What's normal about that? How does that work? How does that? 0:59:49.040 --> 0:59:52.720 How does that happen? I'm was just in my room 0:59:53.800 --> 0:59:57.360 trying to do new edition steps, playing the record player, 0:59:57.600 --> 0:59:59.720 and so now sudden I'm in front of ten tho 1:00:00.040 --> 1:00:03.880 Japanese citizens singing every word. And then when you finished, 1:00:03.920 --> 1:00:07.040 they wouldn't clap, but they would look at you. So 1:00:07.120 --> 1:00:10.560 I was like, what did I do wrong? But they 1:00:10.600 --> 1:00:19.160 were being polite so to promote uh in effect mode, 1:00:19.640 --> 1:00:24.000 you were part of the Any Heartbreak tour right, and 1:00:24.040 --> 1:00:28.400 I'm the first platinum artists on Uptown Records. Yes, yeah, 1:00:28.560 --> 1:00:32.120 you are. Okay, so you're the first you're the first 1:00:32.200 --> 1:00:35.120 prize horse out the out the stable with a million 1:00:35.240 --> 1:00:41.560 units sold. Um, how with such three heavy weights on 1:00:41.680 --> 1:00:45.520 the tour and I guess we saw I'll be sure 1:00:45.560 --> 1:00:49.880 and Bobby Brown, Oh that's right, okay? How with all 1:00:49.960 --> 1:00:55.960 of you as heavy weights? And I know there was 1:00:56.080 --> 1:01:01.160 there was at least from the the b t story. 1:01:02.400 --> 1:01:04.080 Have you seen have you seen? Have you seen it yet? 1:01:04.840 --> 1:01:10.640 I haven't seen the Bobby because because they mentioned again, 1:01:10.640 --> 1:01:13.000 I thinking the Bobby one, but that's coming up as well. 1:01:13.560 --> 1:01:16.560 So how what was that touring experience like for you 1:01:17.520 --> 1:01:22.120 in general? Well, the the Any Heartbreak Tour um something 1:01:22.160 --> 1:01:24.080 that Al Hayman put together because he was doing our 1:01:24.160 --> 1:01:27.480 tour and the Michael Jackson tour as well. So I 1:01:27.560 --> 1:01:29.520 think we were probably like two of the highest grossing 1:01:29.640 --> 1:01:35.040 tours of that genre and that in that particular time period. Um. 1:01:36.240 --> 1:01:42.120 For me, Um, I was that guy. So it was 1:01:42.720 --> 1:01:45.600 a great idea to put me on that tour? Did 1:01:45.680 --> 1:01:47.840 I know I was that guy? Had no idea because 1:01:47.840 --> 1:01:50.680 I'm just the biggest Bobby Brown fan on Planet Earth 1:01:51.200 --> 1:01:53.480 and New Additions, So I grew up wanting to be 1:01:53.880 --> 1:01:56.440 the six member of New Edition. You know, you know 1:01:56.560 --> 1:02:03.440 so so. But there was that Mount Vernon, Mount burning Ish, 1:02:03.720 --> 1:02:07.040 whatever was going on in me that said I'm in here, 1:02:07.160 --> 1:02:08.840 so let's do it, you know, let's let's do it. 1:02:09.000 --> 1:02:15.720 So was I intimidated. A part of me was intimidated 1:02:15.760 --> 1:02:19.280 because I'm like, man, this is Bobby Brown and New Edition. 1:02:19.760 --> 1:02:22.120 And then I had to say and I'm I'll be 1:02:22.280 --> 1:02:25.840 sure because I had to keep saying it to myself 1:02:25.920 --> 1:02:28.440 again in again, because I didn't believe it, so so 1:02:28.640 --> 1:02:30.960 so literally, so I had to psych myself up because 1:02:31.080 --> 1:02:34.040 I'm seeing imagine, I'm like again, I'm coming from the 1:02:34.120 --> 1:02:37.680 studio apartment, singing in the mirror trying to rehearst to 1:02:37.760 --> 1:02:41.720 it or whatever. And Madison Square Garden four nights in 1:02:41.760 --> 1:02:46.040 a row, twenty five thousand people. I'm scared to death, 1:02:46.240 --> 1:02:49.200 to be honest with you, But but I'm an autopilot 1:02:49.560 --> 1:02:51.880 because this is what I've always wanted to do. So 1:02:52.400 --> 1:02:54.400 my philosophy now is when I talk to these young 1:02:54.440 --> 1:02:55.880 people that said, look, if you want to get by 1:02:55.920 --> 1:02:58.080 the train, you gotta be on the train tracks. And 1:02:58.200 --> 1:02:59.880 if you stay ready, you don't have to get ready, 1:03:00.400 --> 1:03:02.720 so that's all I did was rehearsing, rehearsing, rehearsal that. 1:03:02.840 --> 1:03:06.640 Mind you, I wasn't Luther Andrews or even Johnny Gail 1:03:06.800 --> 1:03:09.280 or you know I was, or Stevie Wonder. So I 1:03:09.400 --> 1:03:11.400 was more of a stylist in terms of, you know, 1:03:11.640 --> 1:03:15.360 strong structure and melody because Keith, everything is because something 1:03:15.440 --> 1:03:18.400 Quincy said to me many years ago that I always stuck. 1:03:18.480 --> 1:03:22.480 And then when I when I'm creating, UM, melody is 1:03:22.600 --> 1:03:26.080 something that doesn't have a science or a technique to it. 1:03:26.200 --> 1:03:28.600 It comes straight from God's mouth to your ears, and 1:03:29.360 --> 1:03:33.800 so it's a there's a philosophy behind it that's not UM. 1:03:34.280 --> 1:03:40.520 Can you repeat that again? That was melody is something 1:03:40.600 --> 1:03:43.000 that doesn't have a science or a technique to it. 1:03:43.360 --> 1:03:46.840 It comes straight from from God to your ears and 1:03:46.960 --> 1:03:50.920 through your lips, and you know, And I've always remembered that. 1:03:51.000 --> 1:03:53.160 So that's why everything, if you listen to any of 1:03:53.200 --> 1:03:56.080 the songs I've ever done, I've never focused on a 1:03:56.160 --> 1:03:58.800 commercial hit per se. But I've focused on trying to 1:03:58.880 --> 1:04:03.000 make a four minute movie. The peaks and valleys, the excitement, 1:04:03.120 --> 1:04:06.680 the sadness, the happiness I tried to encompass every emotion, 1:04:07.000 --> 1:04:09.760 even like when I was working on Joe to see 1:04:10.520 --> 1:04:12.479 jow to see what I would do is I made 1:04:12.520 --> 1:04:15.280 them sing. That's why if you listened to the first album, 1:04:16.640 --> 1:04:19.200 I recorded an engineered the whole first album along with 1:04:19.320 --> 1:04:21.440 the guys and along with Mikozowski and maybe two of 1:04:21.480 --> 1:04:25.520 the other other engineers, but handcrafted that entire you know, 1:04:25.680 --> 1:04:28.480 that was that was my question, you would understand this 1:04:28.640 --> 1:04:35.680 and producing a project like besides maybe an effect mode, um, 1:04:35.880 --> 1:04:37.640 you know, along with the help of Teddy Riley and 1:04:37.720 --> 1:04:40.920 and just and you know, Eddie and just the conglomerate 1:04:40.960 --> 1:04:44.480 of our little click. Um, that was my thriller. So 1:04:44.640 --> 1:04:48.840 every every producer has that, you know, right right? Yeah, 1:04:48.880 --> 1:04:50.840 so you know people don't realize. Yeah, you know I 1:04:50.880 --> 1:04:55.440 wrote for my lady, right my lady, and you know 1:04:55.560 --> 1:04:57.960 part of come and talk to Me Stay all if 1:04:58.000 --> 1:04:59.760 you listen to Stay Stay is just a slow version 1:04:59.760 --> 1:05:05.440 of that day. So um oh ship. Yeah. So what 1:05:05.560 --> 1:05:09.560 happened was what happened was how that came about? Um. 1:05:09.680 --> 1:05:13.040 I was on tour on the Any Heartbreak tour where 1:05:13.240 --> 1:05:16.240 obviously when you know, people don't realize. Also, Charlie Mack 1:05:16.280 --> 1:05:18.080 picks you out to Charlie. Charlie mac was actually the 1:05:18.240 --> 1:05:21.520 founder of Boys and Men. Michael got him on tour 1:05:22.560 --> 1:05:26.080 and um, you know, it was that type of thing. 1:05:26.120 --> 1:05:27.959 But I was so busy being I'll be showing tour 1:05:28.400 --> 1:05:33.360 that I ran into them, I think even the Carolinas 1:05:33.400 --> 1:05:36.240 or Virginia. They came, and they came, and at that point, 1:05:36.400 --> 1:05:38.880 my security guards were big Weston showed shoot night, so 1:05:39.200 --> 1:05:51.000 they were my security guys, hang on what so. So yeah, 1:05:51.000 --> 1:05:55.640 so we went around. That's a little brother he basically 1:05:55.760 --> 1:05:59.240 he you know, we went around the world together. Um. 1:05:59.600 --> 1:06:04.000 And and so they came and they said they sang 1:06:04.080 --> 1:06:06.160 for me. Um. I think it was some hotel may 1:06:06.160 --> 1:06:07.640 it was. The thing was Virginia because we had already 1:06:07.640 --> 1:06:10.760 gone through Charlotte at that point in Greensboro whatever, and 1:06:11.480 --> 1:06:13.400 so I sent them to go to New York. So 1:06:13.480 --> 1:06:15.919 they got in a little white car and no money 1:06:16.000 --> 1:06:18.520 and I just got, you know, Andre, yo, these cats. 1:06:19.160 --> 1:06:22.640 And then I went on BT, as told Donny, and 1:06:23.440 --> 1:06:25.080 I'll send you that clip as well, so y'all have it. 1:06:25.280 --> 1:06:27.800 But we went on and I started telling I said, Jealousie, 1:06:27.800 --> 1:06:29.880 and he was like, who I said? Jealous I said, 1:06:29.960 --> 1:06:32.320 was a combination and the fellow's names Joe, Joe, DeVante, 1:06:32.440 --> 1:06:35.960 Casey and Dalvin, you know, and he's like Joe Doze like, 1:06:36.200 --> 1:06:39.840 you know, so I remember that, And so when people forget, 1:06:40.280 --> 1:06:43.480 I think it's called there's a disease called selective amnesia. 1:06:44.400 --> 1:06:47.840 Oh those people think, you know sometimes No, no, no, no, 1:06:47.920 --> 1:06:49.720 I'm not saying necessarily group er say, but just you 1:06:49.760 --> 1:06:54.720 know the point is that now I'm enjoying the aspect 1:06:54.800 --> 1:06:57.640 of reveal at this point in my life, at fifty 1:06:57.720 --> 1:06:59.920 years old, where you know, I'm so interested in now 1:07:00.040 --> 1:07:02.280 finally telling because I know where all the bodies are buried. 1:07:03.280 --> 1:07:07.080 We was me myself, you know, Andre, Eddie, f Teddy, 1:07:07.240 --> 1:07:10.280 like you know that core group. You know, I don't 1:07:10.280 --> 1:07:13.120 want to leave anyone out because it was so everybody, 1:07:13.200 --> 1:07:16.360 Dave holl you know, it's so significant, um, the producers 1:07:16.400 --> 1:07:18.000 and so and so forth, and it was like a 1:07:18.080 --> 1:07:23.000 boutique version of Motown, can you yeah? Yeah? And the 1:07:23.160 --> 1:07:25.720 ll ll Hodge you know that he that's him on 1:07:25.840 --> 1:07:28.840 somebody for me, he was an incredible in fact Novelle Hodge, 1:07:30.320 --> 1:07:32.440 myself and this girl named Lisa Lewis were in a 1:07:32.600 --> 1:07:35.200 singing group before the whole heavy d thing. This is 1:07:35.240 --> 1:07:37.480 back in ninth grade and tenth grade, so he was 1:07:37.520 --> 1:07:39.560 the keyboard playing. That was a songwriting and singing, and 1:07:39.880 --> 1:07:42.160 Lisa it was a singer as well. Can you can 1:07:42.200 --> 1:07:44.240 you talk a little bit too about like Christopher Williams, 1:07:44.280 --> 1:07:46.280 because I just remember it was a time when y'all 1:07:46.520 --> 1:07:48.720 seemed to be having a certain relationship and since it 1:07:48.840 --> 1:07:50.480 was the whole Uptown thing, and I remember seeing y'all 1:07:50.480 --> 1:07:53.760 together in the crucis that happened when that would happen 1:07:53.840 --> 1:07:59.200 as well? Yeah, Christopher. In fact, we just finished filming 1:07:59.360 --> 1:08:03.480 his unsunged. Oh wow, And there's a reveal on the 1:08:03.600 --> 1:08:13.760 show about because everybody as LaToya Michael um, Yeah, just 1:08:13.880 --> 1:08:18.360 too lightsning curly here opposite because Chris is like, you know, 1:08:18.600 --> 1:08:20.479 he always said that you were like you said you 1:08:20.479 --> 1:08:21.960 would into your art. He was like, I would have 1:08:22.000 --> 1:08:23.320 his tea, he'd be ready. He was like, I would 1:08:23.320 --> 1:08:28.679 just go smoke a blondie rady. But but again that's 1:08:28.720 --> 1:08:31.640 only because that cat can sing a parking ticket. Like 1:08:31.800 --> 1:08:34.920 to this day, I don't care what he does. He can. 1:08:35.360 --> 1:08:37.280 He's just one of those really gifted singers with that 1:08:37.360 --> 1:08:41.120 big old Luther andels Teddy Pendergrass type of voice. Um, 1:08:41.560 --> 1:08:43.439 and I had to work a little harder. But but 1:08:43.720 --> 1:08:46.720 but the point was is that the biggest mistake, and 1:08:46.800 --> 1:08:48.799 I think I talked about this in Unsung, the biggest 1:08:48.840 --> 1:08:54.360 mistake that they made with Christopher because he was so talented, 1:08:56.040 --> 1:08:59.840 his team is ancillary team. I guess I don't even 1:08:59.840 --> 1:09:02.040 want on the uptown side of it. Instead of them 1:09:02.200 --> 1:09:08.280 trying to chase and knockdown I'll be Sure, which was already, Um, 1:09:09.800 --> 1:09:11.920 you know, it's a big bulldozer, like you're not gonna 1:09:12.000 --> 1:09:14.639 stop that. You're not gonna stop that machine just because 1:09:14.960 --> 1:09:18.120 he has considered a bigger singer or you know, better 1:09:18.200 --> 1:09:20.000 vocalists and so and so. Whether you're not gonna stop 1:09:20.040 --> 1:09:24.280 the machine because it's the whole package. So focus and 1:09:24.360 --> 1:09:26.240 stay on his lane. And what they were trying to 1:09:26.320 --> 1:09:28.840 do was trying to like that. Even the album covers that, 1:09:28.960 --> 1:09:32.439 duplicating my private times like and it's like for him 1:09:32.840 --> 1:09:35.120 like and and and it was like, okay, how do 1:09:35.200 --> 1:09:38.400 we how do we bulldoze over I'll be Sure? Instead 1:09:38.439 --> 1:09:41.880 of you know, let's just like I'm maybe it's just 1:09:41.960 --> 1:09:44.400 the old school of me. If I see somebody that 1:09:44.560 --> 1:09:48.040 maybe competition I'm gonna approach you, and I'm gon say, 1:09:48.040 --> 1:09:51.320 how can we get some money together? I'm not going Yeah, 1:09:51.360 --> 1:09:53.840 come on, two heads are better than one. Let's you 1:09:53.880 --> 1:09:56.840 know so. And I was a Christopher fan and that's 1:09:56.880 --> 1:09:58.519 my man, fifty grand, you know what I'm saying. So 1:09:58.640 --> 1:10:00.160 you know he's from the co op. You know I'm 1:10:00.160 --> 1:10:02.400 from Mount Vernon. You know. We we rocked together, you 1:10:02.439 --> 1:10:05.560 know we and what we did. We did have a 1:10:06.040 --> 1:10:09.320 major discrepancy at one point because I took the heat 1:10:09.400 --> 1:10:12.360 for something that that was real, real major right after 1:10:12.439 --> 1:10:14.400 one of the American Musical Well for Best New Artists, 1:10:14.680 --> 1:10:16.519 and I took the heat for something. And you know, 1:10:16.600 --> 1:10:18.840 being a cap on in the street, you know, you 1:10:18.920 --> 1:10:20.880 don't tell you just you just roll with it and 1:10:20.960 --> 1:10:22.560 you just deal with it. So finally I think we 1:10:22.840 --> 1:10:25.479 he and I talked about it and uh, but they 1:10:25.479 --> 1:10:33.200 asked me about it on that was the reveal on. Yeah, yeah, 1:10:34.479 --> 1:10:36.680 I want to push it along a little bit. This 1:10:36.760 --> 1:10:43.640 is a question I always wanted to know. Well, actually, no, 1:10:43.840 --> 1:10:46.880 you already set an emotion that your your palate was 1:10:46.920 --> 1:10:50.960 wide open for different types of genres. I always wanted 1:10:51.000 --> 1:10:56.840 to know, was it Benny Medina's idea for you to 1:10:56.960 --> 1:11:04.920 do Hotel California. No idea. Yeah, he already revealed that. Yeah. 1:11:05.040 --> 1:11:07.400 So I was riding my bike around the neighborhood and 1:11:07.920 --> 1:11:10.720 this kid next door, so I had this little it 1:11:10.800 --> 1:11:13.320 was like the little rascals. So my little neighborhood it was, 1:11:13.479 --> 1:11:15.880 you know, I was. I was the black kid. I 1:11:15.960 --> 1:11:18.400 had these two twins named Darmish and Nimish. They were 1:11:18.439 --> 1:11:20.400 the Indian kids. And this kid named Anthony was an 1:11:20.439 --> 1:11:22.960 Italian kid, and Brendan Pheley was the Irish kid. And 1:11:23.000 --> 1:11:24.280 we used to all ride a bike together. So it 1:11:24.400 --> 1:11:28.080 was like a little melting pot. And this was actually 1:11:28.080 --> 1:11:31.640 in Jersey when I was younger, younger, and you know, 1:11:31.680 --> 1:11:33.920 we would stick the radio on the window and we 1:11:33.960 --> 1:11:36.639 would play, just play those songs. And then he used 1:11:36.680 --> 1:11:38.719 to scare us. This kid used to scare us about 1:11:38.760 --> 1:11:41.080 the Hotel California song and says, you know this is 1:11:41.120 --> 1:11:46.479 about drugs and a spooky song as kids. But but 1:11:46.600 --> 1:11:50.800 I always remember the song, and then, um, it was 1:11:50.920 --> 1:11:52.479 just one of the songs I remember, so I just 1:11:52.520 --> 1:11:54.720 wanted to remake it. In fact, no, the reason I 1:11:54.880 --> 1:11:58.640 remade I think it was no. I remember I think 1:11:58.680 --> 1:12:00.920 it was killing Me Softly, the and everything Killing Me 1:12:01.000 --> 1:12:03.719 Softly song. That's because I was trying to do natural 1:12:03.840 --> 1:12:09.920 high and I didn't understand the lyrics Bloodstone and I 1:12:10.000 --> 1:12:12.360 didn't understand the lyrics, so we just scrapped it and said, 1:12:12.439 --> 1:12:14.479 let's do Killing Me Softly. That is one day, this 1:12:15.479 --> 1:12:18.960 random and so in effect mode that was just that 1:12:19.080 --> 1:12:21.000 was you and Kyle. That's just you and Kyle guy. 1:12:21.360 --> 1:12:24.320 It's me and Kyle, but but myself as a collaborative 1:12:24.360 --> 1:12:27.160 effort of myself, Kyle and Teddy Riley as well. And 1:12:27.360 --> 1:12:30.240 and how can he wasn't listened as producer. I know 1:12:30.320 --> 1:12:33.800 that he was listed as Yeah, he mixed and he 1:12:33.880 --> 1:12:36.040 played like instruments, right, he plays him his right because 1:12:36.040 --> 1:12:38.200 he didn't necessarily bright because what we did was it 1:12:38.360 --> 1:12:42.240 was more Teddy under Teddy's tutelage. And I was worked 1:12:42.240 --> 1:12:44.559 with him so much to the point where they sounded 1:12:44.680 --> 1:12:48.600 like Teddy Riley records. So where But even from a 1:12:48.640 --> 1:12:51.720 marketing standpoint, like Andre wasn't like yo, his name well 1:12:52.200 --> 1:12:55.080 it was eighty seven, so he wasn't rightly proven yet, right, 1:12:55.120 --> 1:12:57.120 he wasn't at all. And what happened was it was 1:12:57.200 --> 1:13:01.320 also more of a Teddy and Jean Griffin and I'll 1:13:01.360 --> 1:13:06.760 be sure Andre Herrell forget right. So but but again, 1:13:06.880 --> 1:13:09.600 but Teddy was just Teddy was everything, Like just to 1:13:10.200 --> 1:13:13.479 be around him and his creativity and and just being 1:13:13.560 --> 1:13:15.840 under the tutelage. I mean, I'll be forever grateful because 1:13:17.080 --> 1:13:21.200 it's just something about that cat's rhythm that it's just 1:13:21.840 --> 1:13:25.200 unlike any other um and just learning that style and 1:13:25.960 --> 1:13:29.760 um that lends itself to so much UM. So, like 1:13:29.840 --> 1:13:31.720 I said, I was, and this is what I was 1:13:31.760 --> 1:13:36.040 saying before. So Teddy was the creative new Jack swing 1:13:36.880 --> 1:13:40.719 phrase coined by Barry Michael Cooper, the Great Barry Michael Cooper, 1:13:41.600 --> 1:13:44.560 and we did a derivative of it. So Eddie f 1:13:44.720 --> 1:13:46.240 did his version of it, kind of like with the 1:13:46.320 --> 1:13:49.719 Daniel Jones stuff, which is actually that's actually Kyle West Also, 1:13:50.600 --> 1:13:56.439 oh say what say? Was? That's why I sound like 1:13:56.520 --> 1:14:00.519 Stevie Wonder because Kyle's basically Stevie Wonder. So okay, So 1:14:00.640 --> 1:14:03.840 Kyle what did he played? Plays keys? Plays keys, but 1:14:03.960 --> 1:14:07.720 just brilliantly like his coloring and his is progression, it's 1:14:07.760 --> 1:14:10.200 just something else. It's like he's extraterrest. Did you guys 1:14:10.280 --> 1:14:12.200 have anything to do or were you around for the 1:14:12.240 --> 1:14:18.280 making of the intro album the first with Kenny Green? Yeah, okay, right, 1:14:18.320 --> 1:14:20.439 but again you see the signature. It's that all that 1:14:20.560 --> 1:14:22.720 eight away kid, that rolling eight away stuff in the 1:14:22.960 --> 1:14:25.120 D fifty and a D seventy, you know, it's it's 1:14:25.160 --> 1:14:27.000 that kind of in the Juno one oh six, that 1:14:27.120 --> 1:14:29.720 all analogy t x A D one z with the 1:14:29.760 --> 1:14:36.760 bouncing bass and um but just none of that was 1:14:36.880 --> 1:14:39.719 on d X seven at all. Yeah. I was trying 1:14:39.720 --> 1:14:42.040 to figure out what was your weapon of choice as 1:14:42.040 --> 1:14:47.200 far as keyboards for like Nilon, Atmosphere, future pad, you 1:14:47.280 --> 1:14:51.080 know all that. And what's crazy is as much as 1:14:51.240 --> 1:14:54.360 we called it R and B, it was more ambient 1:14:54.560 --> 1:14:56.920 R and B than anything else because I loved voices. 1:14:57.520 --> 1:15:01.400 Oh right, what oh? This all the oldest love is 1:15:01.439 --> 1:15:04.840 so Quincy coined. Though the progression from this love is 1:15:04.920 --> 1:15:08.479 so the French blues. So that's all that progression is 1:15:08.640 --> 1:15:11.600 called the French blues now, mind you that the genre now, 1:15:11.680 --> 1:15:14.439 and this is something that I'm about to launch at 1:15:14.479 --> 1:15:18.920 Albi show dot net, which is gonna be um the 1:15:20.760 --> 1:15:23.920 the the derivative of what New Jack Swing represented because Teddy, 1:15:23.960 --> 1:15:25.200 like I said, as the King of New Jack Swing, 1:15:25.240 --> 1:15:27.560 and the inventor, Eddie had his version of it, and 1:15:27.640 --> 1:15:30.559 then Kyle and I had another version of it, which 1:15:30.640 --> 1:15:35.240 now we coin New Jack Sexy. So it's new Jack Swing, 1:15:35.320 --> 1:15:37.880 which is Teddy, Kyle and I New Jack Sexy, and 1:15:38.080 --> 1:15:40.880 Eddie is like kind of you know, like his version, 1:15:40.920 --> 1:15:43.280 but Eddie had a real slick you know, production as well. 1:15:43.360 --> 1:15:47.040 It's like, it's just it was a great launching pad 1:15:47.160 --> 1:15:50.439 in terms of bringing the streets to Wall Street. How 1:15:50.520 --> 1:15:52.840 long did it take you out to record in effect? 1:15:54.439 --> 1:15:59.840 M hmmm, I want to say maybe three months, three 1:15:59.880 --> 1:16:03.040 my or so. Um. And it only sped up because 1:16:03.080 --> 1:16:06.200 after sitting around Teddy for so long, Teddy would do 1:16:06.320 --> 1:16:10.479 records in twelve minutes. Teddy would do a record bridge 1:16:10.600 --> 1:16:13.040 chorus and he said, okay, go ahead to get depending 1:16:13.120 --> 1:16:15.120 and right, and then you know Timmy Gatlin and so 1:16:15.960 --> 1:16:18.720 absolutely I was gonna do you ever think that there 1:16:18.720 --> 1:16:20.080 will be I mean, I'm not going to ask the 1:16:20.120 --> 1:16:23.840 obvious concert question, but it is the time of reuniting. 1:16:24.160 --> 1:16:26.720 Do you think there would be a project, a documentary, 1:16:26.880 --> 1:16:30.000 a something that will bring these people back together like 1:16:30.240 --> 1:16:33.080 the whole New Jack Swing moment movement. I think probably 1:16:33.360 --> 1:16:36.400 the most important outside of you know, selfishly me wanting 1:16:36.439 --> 1:16:40.000 to do the I'll be short story, um, because that 1:16:40.200 --> 1:16:45.599 encompasses so much more than just um. I'll be sure 1:16:46.240 --> 1:16:48.400 because I've been involved with so many you knows, like 1:16:48.479 --> 1:16:50.519 yourself like questions, like it's been involved with working with 1:16:50.640 --> 1:16:55.240 so many different artists from different genres. Um. But probably 1:16:55.280 --> 1:16:58.000 the most important story. And I like I like the 1:16:58.439 --> 1:17:01.560 the introduction of what inside the label was for on 1:17:01.720 --> 1:17:03.679 BT because it kind of gave you a little taste 1:17:03.720 --> 1:17:07.040 of you know, Rockefeller Uptown, you know, so so deaf, 1:17:07.120 --> 1:17:09.040 you know, just a little bit of everybody. But the 1:17:09.240 --> 1:17:16.679 most important modern day story, I believe it's the Uptown story. Yeah, 1:17:17.560 --> 1:17:19.320 and and and and I don't know if you saw 1:17:19.400 --> 1:17:20.920 this recently in the press because you know, like I said, 1:17:20.920 --> 1:17:22.320 I try to stay out the out of the mix. 1:17:22.400 --> 1:17:24.920 And you know, those relates to controversy stuff because that 1:17:25.960 --> 1:17:27.720 in the dollar fIF ticket to downtown on the train. 1:17:28.720 --> 1:17:33.360 But but but like you know, when I would hear, 1:17:33.760 --> 1:17:35.320 you know, the Fellows would talk to me about them 1:17:35.400 --> 1:17:39.000 doing the Jodice story, and so apparently that's been going 1:17:39.040 --> 1:17:40.640 on for the last three or four years. And I 1:17:40.640 --> 1:17:42.240 don't know if the fellas are green. You know, I'm 1:17:42.280 --> 1:17:44.680 not sure what the politics are about it, but I 1:17:44.800 --> 1:17:47.400 did make a statement and say, because it's interesting how 1:17:47.960 --> 1:17:49.840 some deal has been made for them to make this 1:17:50.000 --> 1:17:55.040 story and no one has contacted I'll be sure about 1:17:55.080 --> 1:17:57.400 the story now, mind you. And that's just my new 1:17:57.560 --> 1:18:01.679 version of me because normal, because normally I just let's 1:18:01.960 --> 1:18:05.000 tell the story. Let's it's cool. I'm glad you. So 1:18:05.080 --> 1:18:07.559 what was so with you being so involved in Forever, 1:18:07.680 --> 1:18:11.320 my lady? What was DeVante's? Oh No, DeVante is brilliant. 1:18:11.400 --> 1:18:14.639 Let me tell that cat. He's he's the second coming 1:18:14.680 --> 1:18:17.080 to Teddy Riley for lack of better terms, but meaning 1:18:17.160 --> 1:18:21.200 for DeVante was an extremely talented musician that played several instruments. 1:18:21.520 --> 1:18:23.639 He's another one with that rhythm that you can't teach. 1:18:24.400 --> 1:18:26.479 It's it's all part of his DNA and his spirit 1:18:26.520 --> 1:18:29.960 and he's incredible. Um and at that point, all of 1:18:30.040 --> 1:18:32.560 my demo singers. Let's let's go back to how the 1:18:32.640 --> 1:18:39.640 Jodie things started. So we are on tour. One thing, 1:18:39.720 --> 1:18:42.960 that's another. They get to uptown. They as soon as 1:18:42.960 --> 1:18:45.040 they get it off, as they get signed, Bob Celeston 1:18:45.120 --> 1:18:48.479 and Andre and Jimmy Love and that whole uptown office. 1:18:48.720 --> 1:18:51.840 Um boom they do. They go to do the album, 1:18:51.880 --> 1:18:54.439 they work on stuff, they start singing to different different 1:18:54.479 --> 1:18:58.680 songs and doing stuff. Right. But Casey and Joe Joe 1:18:58.880 --> 1:19:01.680 were my demo singers. So the reason why Usher and 1:19:01.800 --> 1:19:05.000 why why Kevin Campbell? All that stuff sounded so crazy 1:19:05.080 --> 1:19:08.320 because my demo singers get this. This everybody's either living 1:19:08.400 --> 1:19:10.360 my house or with my demo singers a word, So 1:19:10.479 --> 1:19:14.719 I had in one house Casey Joe, Joe, Dave Hollister, 1:19:15.000 --> 1:19:26.960 Faith Evans, Mon case Um, Anthony, Anthony Hamilton's I had 1:19:27.280 --> 1:19:34.360 had to come to some respect on this one. That's 1:19:34.400 --> 1:19:37.960 really what's really nice. In fact, big shout out congratulations 1:19:38.040 --> 1:19:40.360 to my little sister so In Faith and Stevie j 1:19:40.600 --> 1:19:44.400 so Um they met at my house because everybody ever 1:19:44.760 --> 1:19:48.200 in Kimora Camara, least Simmons, like every like oh did 1:19:48.240 --> 1:19:53.519 I say that? No, not in a disrespectful way. She 1:19:53.800 --> 1:19:57.200 was just she was another one who was going to 1:19:57.400 --> 1:19:59.360 figure it out. Like she was that you know, she 1:19:59.479 --> 1:20:01.679 was friends, you know, she dated you know, a family 1:20:01.760 --> 1:20:03.640 members so on and support. But she was around in 1:20:03.680 --> 1:20:05.920 the mix all the time. But she was you could 1:20:05.960 --> 1:20:08.679 just tell she just she's going to be something special, 1:20:08.840 --> 1:20:11.920 like she's creative and all those things. Obviously she's gorgeous, 1:20:11.920 --> 1:20:14.560 beautiful lady the whole thing where she and right, so 1:20:14.760 --> 1:20:16.400 she you know, she turned it into something. So I'm 1:20:16.439 --> 1:20:18.720 really really, oh absolute gorgeous and I'm very proud of 1:20:18.840 --> 1:20:21.320 to see where you know, where she's taking it. Uh 1:20:22.160 --> 1:20:26.120 But yeah, so every everyone and more. And you know, 1:20:26.160 --> 1:20:28.840 like I said, Steve, so so I built I built 1:20:28.880 --> 1:20:31.840 an aid that studio up there with all those Mackie 1:20:31.880 --> 1:20:33.560 boards and stuff, and I've had it up. So we 1:20:33.680 --> 1:20:38.880 used to do short, short time recordings. That's so so 1:20:39.479 --> 1:20:41.759 and it was so much fun. So you had Martin Lawrence, 1:20:41.800 --> 1:20:44.400 you had Chris Rock because I gave Chris's first job. 1:20:44.640 --> 1:20:47.840 Chris used to open up for me on tour. So yeah, 1:20:47.880 --> 1:20:51.639 I forgot to ask, we we gotta ask? Is Chris mentioned? 1:20:52.360 --> 1:20:56.400 All right? So Chris has this hilarious story about the 1:20:56.479 --> 1:21:00.600 first time that Bobby gave you a cop be of 1:21:01.280 --> 1:21:05.560 Don't Be Cruel the album and he says, like it 1:21:05.720 --> 1:21:10.599 just froze you. Well, let me give Actually know who 1:21:10.640 --> 1:21:14.519 tells the story best is Tony Rock. He Tony tells 1:21:14.560 --> 1:21:16.680 me the story just recently again because he was in 1:21:16.800 --> 1:21:18.760 Vegas just recently. And so he says, he says, man, 1:21:19.160 --> 1:21:22.080 he says, I remember the first time, he says, you 1:21:22.280 --> 1:21:25.200 in the studio and my brother was with you. And 1:21:26.240 --> 1:21:28.080 you know, he didn't have a car, so you drove 1:21:28.160 --> 1:21:30.880 him to Brooklyn and your white M three you just 1:21:30.920 --> 1:21:32.719 got the white and faces. He drove Moley to Brooklyn, 1:21:32.840 --> 1:21:35.680 drove him home, and he came inside and was my mother. 1:21:35.840 --> 1:21:38.160 You know, they were sitting around whatever. He says. He says, Yo, 1:21:38.960 --> 1:21:42.080 I'll be sure to drop me off outside. And Tony 1:21:42.160 --> 1:21:46.519 was like, so he came out and he said, oh, ship, 1:21:46.960 --> 1:21:49.360 I'll be shut outside in the car with a car 1:21:49.439 --> 1:21:54.599 full of girls. You gotta hear Tony tell us that's 1:21:54.640 --> 1:21:58.720 the funniest sting. And it's so funny and uh and 1:21:58.960 --> 1:22:03.440 uh and then but Chris was something so special about Christopher. 1:22:03.520 --> 1:22:06.559 Chris was like, so he would open up. We were 1:22:06.720 --> 1:22:08.200 doing a small you know the hotel toll. You know, 1:22:08.240 --> 1:22:10.000 he start if you're doing a hotel to a little 1:22:10.040 --> 1:22:13.040 little ballroom and stuff like that, and Chris, uh, you know, 1:22:13.160 --> 1:22:15.280 Crystal coming there and just he just had this whole 1:22:15.400 --> 1:22:19.240 quirky like funny like this humor like it was just 1:22:19.800 --> 1:22:22.000 something organic from him that just was going to tell you, 1:22:22.120 --> 1:22:25.560 this cat is brilliant. He was like brilliant. So you know, 1:22:26.080 --> 1:22:28.439 we just loved him and uh, and it was just 1:22:28.520 --> 1:22:30.760 amazing just to watch this the culmination of just his 1:22:30.960 --> 1:22:32.800 his entire career just go through the roof. I mean 1:22:32.920 --> 1:22:38.160 just the massive global you know, you know, before the 1:22:38.240 --> 1:22:41.160 Kevin Harts and before you know that that that sort 1:22:41.200 --> 1:22:44.639 of you know, vehicle with without the social media aspect 1:22:44.720 --> 1:22:46.880 of behind it. You know, he was just just brilliant cat. 1:22:47.400 --> 1:22:49.760 And what's really nice is that I got so much 1:22:49.840 --> 1:22:53.960 love for Chris because number one, remember his first movie. 1:22:54.000 --> 1:22:56.960 You know, the first movie was The Strictly Business, right 1:22:57.479 --> 1:23:04.800 I think he did I'm I'm music was that's well, 1:23:04.880 --> 1:23:08.479 that's who the song Natalie's about. Yeah, because the fact 1:23:08.479 --> 1:23:10.880 that still have the tattoo, Hellie's tattoo of Mom. So 1:23:13.280 --> 1:23:21.800 I come to watch. Uh. That's part one of our 1:23:21.880 --> 1:23:25.479 episode with I'll be Showa. Uh. 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