1 00:00:00,320 --> 00:00:03,159 Speaker 1: Of Course Love Supreme is a production of I Heart Radio. 2 00:00:03,600 --> 00:00:07,160 Speaker 1: This classic episode was produced by the team at Pandora. 3 00:00:08,480 --> 00:00:11,600 Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen, Welcome to q l S Classic Episode 4 00:00:11,720 --> 00:00:16,040 Speaker 1: one to three with I'll Be Sure. From February two 5 00:00:16,079 --> 00:00:19,800 Speaker 1: thousand nineteen, one of the proprietors of the New Jack 6 00:00:19,840 --> 00:00:22,680 Speaker 1: Swing movement. He came to break bread with us to 7 00:00:22,760 --> 00:00:25,200 Speaker 1: share stories of his journey as an up start from 8 00:00:25,239 --> 00:00:28,600 Speaker 1: Mount Vernon to damn Near getting arrested for simply causing 9 00:00:28,680 --> 00:00:32,120 Speaker 1: riots wherever he stood. You'll imagine that cops trying to 10 00:00:32,200 --> 00:00:35,920 Speaker 1: jail you for making all the ladies swim. Well, all 11 00:00:35,920 --> 00:00:38,559 Speaker 1: that and more on the next I'll Be Sure QLs 12 00:00:38,720 --> 00:00:54,800 Speaker 1: Classic Part one. Let's go Suprema rogue called Sma Primo 13 00:00:55,000 --> 00:01:03,360 Speaker 1: rogue called sam rogue called sub prima primo roll call, 14 00:01:03,520 --> 00:01:07,199 Speaker 1: Turn up the Fader, Yeah night now, not later. Yeah, 15 00:01:07,440 --> 00:01:10,679 Speaker 1: of course love is chilling. Yeah with the Sony Innovader 16 00:01:13,959 --> 00:01:19,280 Speaker 1: some primo roll. I'm gonna do it, so Frema roll call. 17 00:01:19,400 --> 00:01:23,560 Speaker 1: My name is Fante. Yeah, everybody don't laugh, because I 18 00:01:23,720 --> 00:01:35,200 Speaker 1: came to watch you take a bad Roma roll on. 19 00:01:35,360 --> 00:01:39,520 Speaker 1: My name is Sugar. Yeah. The record shows, Yeah, I 20 00:01:39,680 --> 00:01:46,840 Speaker 1: took the blows. Yeah, and did it my fremo road 21 00:01:47,360 --> 00:01:53,160 Speaker 1: he cut some frima prima rolltiller is here. Yeah for 22 00:01:53,280 --> 00:01:55,880 Speaker 1: another que last show. Yeah, I don't want your girl 23 00:01:55,960 --> 00:02:02,400 Speaker 1: turned out? Better tell he hit the road Freema some subpremo, 24 00:02:02,600 --> 00:02:07,760 Speaker 1: role sub frema some sub prema roll call. It's like 25 00:02:08,680 --> 00:02:12,240 Speaker 1: yeah and worry no more. Yeah, Oh my fucking god. 26 00:02:12,760 --> 00:02:19,200 Speaker 1: Ye call that was actually in a room Frema roll call, 27 00:02:19,680 --> 00:02:27,040 Speaker 1: so prema, so Frema roll call West Love. Yeah his name, yeah, 28 00:02:28,000 --> 00:02:35,200 Speaker 1: Crazy Drum is his game shows sign up, road call 29 00:02:35,680 --> 00:02:42,280 Speaker 1: so Prema son Supremo roll call, so Prema something Suprema 30 00:02:42,440 --> 00:02:52,160 Speaker 1: roll call, so Frema sign something yo. Man Like if 31 00:02:52,240 --> 00:02:55,359 Speaker 1: I believed in picking up phones and answer machines, that 32 00:02:55,520 --> 00:02:59,400 Speaker 1: would be my ow. And the show is over. Lazy joke. 33 00:03:00,560 --> 00:03:03,440 Speaker 1: Thank you for calling Quest Love. No one's in right now, 34 00:03:03,600 --> 00:03:06,119 Speaker 1: so please leave a message after the tune and he'll 35 00:03:06,160 --> 00:03:12,440 Speaker 1: get back to you when he feels like Yeah, man, 36 00:03:12,960 --> 00:03:18,560 Speaker 1: I got deep Boys out. News, Ladies and gentlemen, Welcome 37 00:03:18,560 --> 00:03:22,800 Speaker 1: to another road trip edition of Questlove Supreme. We are 38 00:03:22,880 --> 00:03:25,840 Speaker 1: still in California here for the rest of the year. Yes, 39 00:03:26,080 --> 00:03:30,919 Speaker 1: he'll be here. We're spending life out here where we 40 00:03:31,040 --> 00:03:36,920 Speaker 1: at Steve East West Studios formerly Western Recorders. That's what 41 00:03:37,080 --> 00:03:41,160 Speaker 1: this building was, home of Frank Sinatra and pet Sounds. 42 00:03:41,640 --> 00:03:46,480 Speaker 1: We're looking at the infamous uh Frank Sinatra podium, podium, 43 00:03:47,160 --> 00:03:49,680 Speaker 1: this whole room is. That's why I was singing my 44 00:03:49,800 --> 00:03:52,920 Speaker 1: way but I get whatever. No, that's that's why you know. 45 00:03:52,960 --> 00:03:55,760 Speaker 1: I wanted you to explain what the deal is. Ladies 46 00:03:55,800 --> 00:04:01,280 Speaker 1: and gentlemen. Uh, I don't even have a proper introduction, 47 00:04:01,400 --> 00:04:07,600 Speaker 1: but I will say that we're here chilling man with God. 48 00:04:07,800 --> 00:04:12,920 Speaker 1: I've been waiting on this. Yes, the original Rappert single. 49 00:04:13,280 --> 00:04:16,520 Speaker 1: Yes he is. I think he's there is like you know, 50 00:04:17,040 --> 00:04:20,680 Speaker 1: fuck your your your Drake dreams. We had the originator 51 00:04:20,760 --> 00:04:27,320 Speaker 1: well themselves lord of the light Skins and what I've 52 00:04:27,320 --> 00:04:34,280 Speaker 1: been seeing lately as hashtag the light Skin general money 53 00:04:35,279 --> 00:04:39,039 Speaker 1: earning money, murdered money earning, Mount Vernon. Ladies and gentlemen, 54 00:04:39,080 --> 00:04:42,680 Speaker 1: please welcome to quest up Sapre. I'll be sure, yes, 55 00:04:45,480 --> 00:04:47,440 Speaker 1: Thank you so much for corlor brother, Thank you man, 56 00:04:47,560 --> 00:04:50,920 Speaker 1: thank you for the dream culture for real. Much appreciated, 57 00:04:51,040 --> 00:04:59,040 Speaker 1: much appreciated. Man. I so what do we start come doing? Man? 58 00:04:59,120 --> 00:05:01,680 Speaker 1: Listen when I we're getting the deep cause later all right, 59 00:05:01,760 --> 00:05:03,640 Speaker 1: So let's just let's start. As I called Lee to 60 00:05:03,640 --> 00:05:07,159 Speaker 1: says at the beginning, I'll be where were you born? 61 00:05:07,760 --> 00:05:12,360 Speaker 1: I was actually born in Cambridge, Massachusetts. I'm supposed to 62 00:05:12,480 --> 00:05:16,479 Speaker 1: rock a socks had, but I represent New York so hard, 63 00:05:16,560 --> 00:05:19,240 Speaker 1: only because my dad was in the Coast Guard. Mother 64 00:05:19,279 --> 00:05:22,880 Speaker 1: and father we moved away to New York. So every 65 00:05:22,920 --> 00:05:25,360 Speaker 1: time I see Bobby your new kids or so, I 66 00:05:25,480 --> 00:05:28,560 Speaker 1: get all the ship in the world. You Yeah, I 67 00:05:28,680 --> 00:05:33,640 Speaker 1: represent the Met's, Yankees Nets, you know, Islanders, Rangers, Victory, 68 00:05:33,920 --> 00:05:37,520 Speaker 1: you know Liberty. Excuse me, said Victory and yeah. So 69 00:05:38,120 --> 00:05:41,000 Speaker 1: um so I represent New York all day early day. 70 00:05:42,240 --> 00:05:45,040 Speaker 1: So Mount Vernon, that was where you kind of raised 71 00:05:45,080 --> 00:05:48,960 Speaker 1: and came up. Absolutely, yeah, we call it four square miles. Um. 72 00:05:49,160 --> 00:05:52,520 Speaker 1: Of course we have a few heads that you might 73 00:05:52,560 --> 00:05:55,239 Speaker 1: be familiar with. A gentleman by the name of Dick Clark. 74 00:05:56,080 --> 00:06:00,080 Speaker 1: I was from Mount Vernon. Um. Eb White Chart of 75 00:06:00,160 --> 00:06:02,360 Speaker 1: Charlotte's Webb, which is one of my favorite books of 76 00:06:02,440 --> 00:06:06,520 Speaker 1: all time. Um. In fact, my four year old grandson 77 00:06:06,680 --> 00:06:11,080 Speaker 1: can read the entire book. I'm loving it. Um. Are 78 00:06:11,120 --> 00:06:20,160 Speaker 1: you pregnant? Ye? I wonder how long he gonna hold it? 79 00:06:20,440 --> 00:06:23,919 Speaker 1: All the times they have like this doofy Jim Hinton. 80 00:06:24,000 --> 00:06:33,240 Speaker 1: That's boys of Mine. I can't do that. Wait, let 81 00:06:33,279 --> 00:06:35,680 Speaker 1: me tell you something. First of all, I'm probably the 82 00:06:35,760 --> 00:06:38,240 Speaker 1: biggest Quest fan on planet Earth, to the point where 83 00:06:38,520 --> 00:06:40,160 Speaker 1: when you come to Vegas, I want you to come 84 00:06:40,200 --> 00:06:44,040 Speaker 1: to the residents. I have this cool low res photo. 85 00:06:44,160 --> 00:06:46,200 Speaker 1: I need a new one, but I got this cool photo. 86 00:06:46,240 --> 00:06:47,840 Speaker 1: I got the one photo with you. And we were 87 00:06:47,880 --> 00:06:50,960 Speaker 1: in Houston somewhere ship we did do a show together, 88 00:06:52,400 --> 00:06:54,960 Speaker 1: and I was so nervous because I was nervous, I 89 00:06:55,080 --> 00:06:57,479 Speaker 1: was like, wait, the show is that like the rout? 90 00:06:59,400 --> 00:07:02,000 Speaker 1: We did one of you know joins, the collaborative joins, 91 00:07:02,080 --> 00:07:05,480 Speaker 1: and I'll be sure was one of the forgot what 92 00:07:05,720 --> 00:07:09,520 Speaker 1: use this? And I think our very own Frank Millwalk 93 00:07:09,720 --> 00:07:13,480 Speaker 1: was also there. It was in Houston. It was like 94 00:07:13,560 --> 00:07:16,040 Speaker 1: one of the places with the with the long stage 95 00:07:16,240 --> 00:07:19,200 Speaker 1: and it's like one of them Hennessee shows, like a 96 00:07:19,280 --> 00:07:25,480 Speaker 1: bunch of acts on damn what two thousand four Okay, 97 00:07:25,520 --> 00:07:27,880 Speaker 1: we we could afford a backdrop back then, so maybe 98 00:07:28,600 --> 00:07:32,520 Speaker 1: it's like two thousand five two. It was wait before 99 00:07:32,560 --> 00:07:34,320 Speaker 1: Falance so and I know it was it was after 100 00:07:34,920 --> 00:07:37,520 Speaker 1: the Towers because I was marketing about the Towers phone, 101 00:07:37,560 --> 00:07:39,160 Speaker 1: so that it was after Towers, so it had to 102 00:07:39,200 --> 00:07:44,440 Speaker 1: be like I forgot we did that. Yeah, that was 103 00:07:44,520 --> 00:07:46,880 Speaker 1: that was that was exciting. But anyway, the point was 104 00:07:47,000 --> 00:07:49,720 Speaker 1: I have this really cool photo, but I had a 105 00:07:49,800 --> 00:07:53,120 Speaker 1: whack ass phone back then state and I've said there 106 00:07:53,160 --> 00:07:55,320 Speaker 1: was no high reds. There was no HD though, was 107 00:07:55,480 --> 00:08:01,640 Speaker 1: just d H. We we can up, we get updating definitely. 108 00:08:02,440 --> 00:08:06,160 Speaker 1: So in Okay, So when when did you move to 109 00:08:06,240 --> 00:08:08,760 Speaker 1: New York? So as as a kid, So I lived 110 00:08:09,120 --> 00:08:11,720 Speaker 1: partly in New Jersey as well. So in a place 111 00:08:11,760 --> 00:08:14,560 Speaker 1: called Leonie in New Jersey. Uh, that's the place where 112 00:08:14,560 --> 00:08:18,040 Speaker 1: you're the mayor complaining because everybody was going through the 113 00:08:18,040 --> 00:08:20,200 Speaker 1: streets to Leoni to get to the city and all 114 00:08:20,280 --> 00:08:22,200 Speaker 1: that craziness. I was going with the bridge and all that, 115 00:08:22,480 --> 00:08:26,320 Speaker 1: you know, with the mayor the governor. Yeah. So but yeah, 116 00:08:26,360 --> 00:08:27,960 Speaker 1: so for the most part, you know, I grew up 117 00:08:28,000 --> 00:08:30,360 Speaker 1: in the streets on the south side of Money earning 118 00:08:30,400 --> 00:08:33,880 Speaker 1: Mount Vernon. Um we call it four square miles, you know. 119 00:08:33,960 --> 00:08:35,880 Speaker 1: We have, like I said, a few heads you may 120 00:08:36,080 --> 00:08:38,760 Speaker 1: may may have heard of of course, the most prominent 121 00:08:38,840 --> 00:08:45,600 Speaker 1: for myself. Um. In fact, we even um uh obviously 122 00:08:45,720 --> 00:08:48,240 Speaker 1: you know Denzel Washington is from Mount Vernon as well. 123 00:08:48,679 --> 00:08:52,040 Speaker 1: Stephanie Mills. Um, you know, I know that Stephanie Mills. 124 00:08:52,200 --> 00:08:54,480 Speaker 1: In fact, I was so excited. I just did a 125 00:08:54,520 --> 00:08:57,319 Speaker 1: show with Stephanie at the Indiana Black Expo and we 126 00:08:57,440 --> 00:09:02,640 Speaker 1: were talking about how that's block wait wait wait wait. 127 00:09:02,679 --> 00:09:04,320 Speaker 1: In fact, we did one in Philly too, we did 128 00:09:04,360 --> 00:09:06,080 Speaker 1: in your city, just we just did at the Convention 129 00:09:06,120 --> 00:09:12,079 Speaker 1: Center and uh but yeah, So what people didn't know is, 130 00:09:12,120 --> 00:09:15,079 Speaker 1: you know how everybody was saying at all it is Michael. 131 00:09:15,320 --> 00:09:17,920 Speaker 1: You know, was he cake or what I'm like now, 132 00:09:18,040 --> 00:09:28,520 Speaker 1: Michael was gangster, Michael. Michael and Stephanie Mills used to date. Yeah, 133 00:09:30,920 --> 00:09:33,200 Speaker 1: this is recent. Was like Sam Smith. It said something 134 00:09:33,240 --> 00:09:34,880 Speaker 1: in the interview supposed that he wasn't really a fan 135 00:09:34,960 --> 00:09:42,520 Speaker 1: of Michael Jackson and Stephanie Mill. Oh boy, he inadvertently 136 00:09:42,600 --> 00:09:45,040 Speaker 1: not realized that he's here because of Michael Jackson, like 137 00:09:45,120 --> 00:09:48,160 Speaker 1: all of Okay, but anyway, but for the most part, 138 00:09:48,160 --> 00:09:49,800 Speaker 1: I had no idea as a youngster, when I was 139 00:09:49,880 --> 00:09:52,360 Speaker 1: riding my little BMX bicycle around that Michael Jackson was 140 00:09:52,400 --> 00:09:56,800 Speaker 1: about Vernon. I'd probably lost my mind. Um yeah, no, 141 00:09:56,920 --> 00:10:00,240 Speaker 1: it's it's a beautiful place, you know, uh, just my 142 00:10:00,360 --> 00:10:04,760 Speaker 1: best friend growing up in high school, Eddie f d 143 00:10:04,880 --> 00:10:07,360 Speaker 1: J d F you know, big shots Eddie. Um. I 144 00:10:07,480 --> 00:10:09,640 Speaker 1: used to carry the equipment. I was the engineer and 145 00:10:09,720 --> 00:10:11,640 Speaker 1: he was the DJ, was the best DJ, and uh 146 00:10:12,240 --> 00:10:13,960 Speaker 1: you know, we used to just used to do parties. 147 00:10:14,000 --> 00:10:16,040 Speaker 1: And that's kind of how the whole thing started. We 148 00:10:16,120 --> 00:10:18,400 Speaker 1: just started rocking together. And I saved my worked at 149 00:10:18,920 --> 00:10:21,400 Speaker 1: Gussini Shoes and I worked at this other place that 150 00:10:24,120 --> 00:10:26,760 Speaker 1: exactly like some place on on Fourth Avenue and save 151 00:10:26,840 --> 00:10:29,559 Speaker 1: my little bread and brought for a task cam toto 152 00:10:31,080 --> 00:10:33,199 Speaker 1: for tra tape to set tape. And that's how we 153 00:10:33,240 --> 00:10:35,439 Speaker 1: started all those demos and we would record stuff. And 154 00:10:35,480 --> 00:10:38,319 Speaker 1: this guy used to come over every day when we 155 00:10:38,400 --> 00:10:41,120 Speaker 1: were recording. He would get on the turntable some practice 156 00:10:41,120 --> 00:10:42,920 Speaker 1: and he was, you know, scratching and scratching. He started 157 00:10:42,920 --> 00:10:46,439 Speaker 1: getting really really good. His name is Pete Rock. It 158 00:10:46,600 --> 00:10:49,079 Speaker 1: was amazing and uh and then have played on the 159 00:10:49,080 --> 00:10:51,959 Speaker 1: football team with me and uh so we decided to 160 00:10:52,000 --> 00:10:57,400 Speaker 1: come kibby and then uh so I remember we were 161 00:10:58,040 --> 00:11:00,520 Speaker 1: so I picked up this is the fund story. I 162 00:11:00,559 --> 00:11:02,079 Speaker 1: don't think I've told this one. So we're in the 163 00:11:02,120 --> 00:11:05,280 Speaker 1: basement there's this thing for the youngsters called the Yellow Pages. 164 00:11:07,480 --> 00:11:09,880 Speaker 1: So I reached over to the Yellow Pages and we 165 00:11:09,960 --> 00:11:12,640 Speaker 1: had just finished working on some demos. We cut a 166 00:11:12,720 --> 00:11:16,199 Speaker 1: demo on have called It's a part of y'all. That's 167 00:11:16,240 --> 00:11:18,040 Speaker 1: the first. It was just nine. It was a rolling 168 00:11:18,080 --> 00:11:20,880 Speaker 1: nine o nine with a beat and him it's a 169 00:11:20,960 --> 00:11:22,719 Speaker 1: part of y'all. And he was just spitting, you know, 170 00:11:23,080 --> 00:11:26,360 Speaker 1: spen Mount Burning versus and uh, but it was. It 171 00:11:26,480 --> 00:11:29,840 Speaker 1: was so fly. So I picked up the phone. I call, look, 172 00:11:29,920 --> 00:11:31,920 Speaker 1: and we're Yellow Pages and I found a place called 173 00:11:32,000 --> 00:11:36,280 Speaker 1: death Cham. I said, okay, that sounds familiar. I call 174 00:11:36,960 --> 00:11:40,120 Speaker 1: a few times, you know, get there. Okay, great, al right, great, 175 00:11:40,240 --> 00:11:43,839 Speaker 1: okay great. So I kept being consistent. I called, so 176 00:11:44,080 --> 00:11:46,240 Speaker 1: the guy finally picks up, and you know, I'm having 177 00:11:46,280 --> 00:11:47,800 Speaker 1: this dialogue with him, and I said, you know, I 178 00:11:47,840 --> 00:11:49,679 Speaker 1: speak to Russell Simmons. Please. You know, I had to 179 00:11:49,760 --> 00:11:52,040 Speaker 1: have this new group called Heavy D and the Boys 180 00:11:52,080 --> 00:11:54,319 Speaker 1: for Money Earned Mount Burning. And dude was like, you know, 181 00:11:54,480 --> 00:11:56,920 Speaker 1: you mean the fat Boys. I was like, no, I 182 00:11:57,000 --> 00:11:59,280 Speaker 1: said Heavy D and the Boys for Money. He said, 183 00:11:59,400 --> 00:12:01,080 Speaker 1: you mean you'll whose nigga is up in the Bronx. 184 00:12:01,160 --> 00:12:07,160 Speaker 1: That's what he so you know, you know, yeah, y'all apolish, 185 00:12:07,200 --> 00:12:09,240 Speaker 1: y'all ain't really get it. Y'all a polished. I'm like, now, 186 00:12:09,360 --> 00:12:12,880 Speaker 1: trust me, I said, you got you don't understand, I said, 187 00:12:12,920 --> 00:12:14,760 Speaker 1: but this is something very different. I said, this is 188 00:12:14,840 --> 00:12:17,280 Speaker 1: something special. I think this young man's stars. You know. 189 00:12:17,400 --> 00:12:19,560 Speaker 1: So we we had gone through our whole process without 190 00:12:19,679 --> 00:12:22,480 Speaker 1: knowing that, you know, that we maybe would know what 191 00:12:22,640 --> 00:12:24,839 Speaker 1: we would know. So we just played it all. So 192 00:12:24,960 --> 00:12:27,599 Speaker 1: the key to his bring a dream into fruition. So 193 00:12:27,840 --> 00:12:30,199 Speaker 1: we just got on the phone and I stayed consistent 194 00:12:30,240 --> 00:12:32,000 Speaker 1: and I Kevin asked, and I'm said, listen, let me 195 00:12:32,080 --> 00:12:33,959 Speaker 1: talk to Russell Simmons. I needed I want to get 196 00:12:34,000 --> 00:12:35,920 Speaker 1: him in this music. Okay, we'll send us another cassette, 197 00:12:35,920 --> 00:12:38,959 Speaker 1: send us another cassette. I call him back. He answered 198 00:12:39,000 --> 00:12:41,719 Speaker 1: the phone, sir, um, I'd really like to talk to 199 00:12:41,800 --> 00:12:45,280 Speaker 1: Russell Simmons. Who is this. My name is Andre Herrella. 200 00:12:45,280 --> 00:12:49,880 Speaker 1: I want to talk to Russell Simmons. So that's that's 201 00:12:49,920 --> 00:12:52,079 Speaker 1: how the whole thing started. And then and yeah, and 202 00:12:52,360 --> 00:12:54,640 Speaker 1: then at that point Andre and Russell were, you know, 203 00:12:54,880 --> 00:12:57,800 Speaker 1: not necessarily partying ways, but creatively because Andre wanted to 204 00:12:57,880 --> 00:13:00,800 Speaker 1: kind of go into that commercial. You know, Russell obviously 205 00:13:00,880 --> 00:13:04,120 Speaker 1: had militant hip hop you know public you know, just 206 00:13:04,320 --> 00:13:05,920 Speaker 1: the Beastie Boys. He had that on the lock. That 207 00:13:06,040 --> 00:13:07,679 Speaker 1: was his system. And Andre kind of wanted to be 208 00:13:08,040 --> 00:13:09,400 Speaker 1: you know, he wanted to be Jack l and I 209 00:13:09,559 --> 00:13:12,160 Speaker 1: he wanted to be armed and uh, you know, and 210 00:13:12,280 --> 00:13:15,240 Speaker 1: at that point, um, you know, myself and Eddie was 211 00:13:15,360 --> 00:13:18,599 Speaker 1: you know, essentially the glue that kind of started that 212 00:13:18,679 --> 00:13:20,920 Speaker 1: whole thing with him. And he just was a brilliant, 213 00:13:21,040 --> 00:13:25,480 Speaker 1: brilliant visionary of putting the collective pieces together too to 214 00:13:25,720 --> 00:13:28,360 Speaker 1: kind of start this whole movement call Uptown. And what 215 00:13:28,520 --> 00:13:31,480 Speaker 1: we did was I called him baby Berry Gudian. He 216 00:13:31,480 --> 00:13:35,640 Speaker 1: would call me Baby Quincy Jones and and it was 217 00:13:35,679 --> 00:13:39,319 Speaker 1: such an amazing time, even though we didn't really understand 218 00:13:40,640 --> 00:13:44,439 Speaker 1: what it would turn into. It was more, um, we 219 00:13:44,520 --> 00:13:47,080 Speaker 1: would pattern ourselves to be more of a boutique version 220 00:13:47,120 --> 00:13:50,199 Speaker 1: of what Motown represented, so the artist would all work together, 221 00:13:50,240 --> 00:13:51,400 Speaker 1: you know, it would be a whole when we've got 222 00:13:51,480 --> 00:13:53,719 Speaker 1: our first offices in Brooklyn and it would be a 223 00:13:53,800 --> 00:13:56,160 Speaker 1: hallway and everybody would And then he put me on 224 00:13:56,240 --> 00:13:58,400 Speaker 1: the train. He told me to go go sit with 225 00:13:58,480 --> 00:14:00,720 Speaker 1: this guy named Teddy Riley and go hitting the projects. 226 00:14:00,720 --> 00:14:02,520 Speaker 1: Here this is a dress and a knocked on the door. 227 00:14:03,040 --> 00:14:05,640 Speaker 1: And I sat there for a year and just Teddy 228 00:14:05,720 --> 00:14:08,319 Speaker 1: taught me to program. It was a core D D 229 00:14:08,440 --> 00:14:10,559 Speaker 1: D one. He had to tape over it though, and 230 00:14:11,679 --> 00:14:14,800 Speaker 1: to all you know, the motto half a millisecond sample 231 00:14:14,920 --> 00:14:18,040 Speaker 1: and so he was recording, you know, he was programming 232 00:14:18,040 --> 00:14:19,720 Speaker 1: all that right. There was we do like ten songs 233 00:14:19,760 --> 00:14:23,560 Speaker 1: a day, um and he Teddy Riley actually just announced, 234 00:14:23,600 --> 00:14:25,920 Speaker 1: as I think of south By Southwest that Albie Shore 235 00:14:26,000 --> 00:14:29,520 Speaker 1: is officially the fourth member of Guy because that's me 236 00:14:29,640 --> 00:14:34,080 Speaker 1: singing one. Yeah. So we did so many demos together, 237 00:14:34,360 --> 00:14:36,120 Speaker 1: you know when we started cutting nine day and off 238 00:14:36,160 --> 00:14:37,800 Speaker 1: on young Girl, and then I would work on you 239 00:14:37,840 --> 00:14:39,520 Speaker 1: know if I'm not your lover, and you can call 240 00:14:39,600 --> 00:14:43,000 Speaker 1: me crazy, and it was just nonstopping. So under the 241 00:14:43,080 --> 00:14:46,200 Speaker 1: tutelage of this young cat who just would make the 242 00:14:46,280 --> 00:14:49,320 Speaker 1: drum machine break your neck, it was just so so amazing. 243 00:14:49,640 --> 00:14:52,040 Speaker 1: He's like quest love with fingers on a drum machine. 244 00:14:52,760 --> 00:14:55,760 Speaker 1: Like he's nice like that. It's like I've never seen someone, 245 00:14:56,040 --> 00:14:57,880 Speaker 1: you know, like obviously when we win quests, you know, 246 00:14:58,160 --> 00:15:00,920 Speaker 1: he's on his his his kid. It's just it's something 247 00:15:01,000 --> 00:15:03,280 Speaker 1: magical in terms of this the rhythm and just it's 248 00:15:03,360 --> 00:15:06,400 Speaker 1: it's magical because he's got probably got every nation under 249 00:15:06,440 --> 00:15:08,000 Speaker 1: a group for lack of better terms. You know, what 250 00:15:08,120 --> 00:15:10,040 Speaker 1: were your folcus doing at the time? Were they supportive 251 00:15:10,120 --> 00:15:11,880 Speaker 1: of your your music? Like, what did your what did 252 00:15:11,880 --> 00:15:15,080 Speaker 1: your folks do? Well? My dad, uh, he's at Cornell 253 00:15:15,400 --> 00:15:18,320 Speaker 1: had a nuclear medicine, so he's doing that. My mother 254 00:15:18,520 --> 00:15:21,560 Speaker 1: was managing a dental office, you know, preachers selling insurance. 255 00:15:21,960 --> 00:15:25,440 Speaker 1: They were divorced when I was four. Um, so you 256 00:15:25,520 --> 00:15:27,680 Speaker 1: know it was me and Mom Dukes, you know, making 257 00:15:27,720 --> 00:15:31,200 Speaker 1: it happen. She kept her foot way way in my 258 00:15:31,360 --> 00:15:34,040 Speaker 1: esophagus to make sure, you know, because I wanted to 259 00:15:34,120 --> 00:15:35,440 Speaker 1: run the streets. I want you to know I thought 260 00:15:35,480 --> 00:15:36,760 Speaker 1: I was. I thought I was gonna be a hustler, 261 00:15:36,840 --> 00:15:38,600 Speaker 1: like because that's when I saw the oho that asked 262 00:15:38,600 --> 00:15:41,400 Speaker 1: my car, you know, on the corner. I wanted that. 263 00:15:41,720 --> 00:15:44,440 Speaker 1: But I was like fourteen, so so you know, I would, 264 00:15:44,560 --> 00:15:46,960 Speaker 1: you know, just get involved with the situations. And if 265 00:15:47,040 --> 00:15:48,920 Speaker 1: I came home with a brand new pair of pumas 266 00:15:49,040 --> 00:15:51,680 Speaker 1: or some of data's, where'd you get them? Oh no, no, no, 267 00:15:52,000 --> 00:15:58,000 Speaker 1: snatch snatched the curly afro pulled me out the door, 268 00:15:58,200 --> 00:16:00,600 Speaker 1: and I was so grateful that she snatched that snatched 269 00:16:00,640 --> 00:16:02,600 Speaker 1: me up every time like something would go left, because 270 00:16:02,640 --> 00:16:06,920 Speaker 1: then I had this respectful fear of a boy. Let me, 271 00:16:07,040 --> 00:16:09,120 Speaker 1: let me just let me keep a semi in the 272 00:16:09,240 --> 00:16:10,800 Speaker 1: lane where I'm supposed to be and make sure at 273 00:16:10,840 --> 00:16:12,920 Speaker 1: least do my homework and do what I gotta do. 274 00:16:13,080 --> 00:16:15,080 Speaker 1: And you know, it's taught me somewhat of responsibility for 275 00:16:15,160 --> 00:16:17,160 Speaker 1: the most part. But just you you have brothers and 276 00:16:17,520 --> 00:16:19,960 Speaker 1: have three sisters, but you know, after marriage and sup, 277 00:16:20,200 --> 00:16:23,840 Speaker 1: but it was just me and mom and uh yeah yeah, 278 00:16:24,200 --> 00:16:26,000 Speaker 1: so my with my my sister Amber was the younger 279 00:16:26,080 --> 00:16:30,360 Speaker 1: snap but with just to marriage. So but yes, it's 280 00:16:30,480 --> 00:16:32,560 Speaker 1: it was amazing just in terms of she just gave 281 00:16:32,600 --> 00:16:36,040 Speaker 1: me a schedule. I would come home only refrigerator. It 282 00:16:36,080 --> 00:16:38,120 Speaker 1: would be a loosely a piece of paper, three fifteen, 283 00:16:38,240 --> 00:16:41,280 Speaker 1: take off your school close, three starts you man, so 284 00:16:41,480 --> 00:16:44,880 Speaker 1: every day and uh, it was just a schedule. It 285 00:16:45,000 --> 00:16:48,720 Speaker 1: was like you know, sergeant Mom. And she's a little 286 00:16:48,760 --> 00:16:52,080 Speaker 1: five for two things. She swings a heart part. I 287 00:16:52,080 --> 00:16:53,720 Speaker 1: remember one time she tried to swing on me one 288 00:16:53,800 --> 00:16:57,400 Speaker 1: day because I was with this kid named Charlie Peppertone 289 00:16:57,440 --> 00:16:59,760 Speaker 1: and he had given me some marijuana or something or 290 00:17:00,080 --> 00:17:04,640 Speaker 1: some sort of a regular. I thought it was my mother, 291 00:17:04,880 --> 00:17:06,520 Speaker 1: and I got home and mother found it in my 292 00:17:06,600 --> 00:17:09,200 Speaker 1: pocket and I and I went, this is the crazy part. 293 00:17:09,240 --> 00:17:11,119 Speaker 1: I come walking down the hill from school when I 294 00:17:11,200 --> 00:17:12,720 Speaker 1: see this is the all the time, you know, when 295 00:17:12,720 --> 00:17:15,480 Speaker 1: you see your father's car sitting in the afternoon. And 296 00:17:15,560 --> 00:17:17,880 Speaker 1: I was like, and he had hold up, okay, quest 297 00:17:17,960 --> 00:17:23,040 Speaker 1: he had the dots and would folks like the long 298 00:17:23,400 --> 00:17:26,920 Speaker 1: with the wood green man and you know that you 299 00:17:26,960 --> 00:17:29,399 Speaker 1: can't mistake that one. So I'm walking in and I'm like, 300 00:17:30,000 --> 00:17:32,120 Speaker 1: what's going on here? And he was like sit down, 301 00:17:32,800 --> 00:17:38,000 Speaker 1: and that's all my father had to say. And I'm like, listen, 302 00:17:38,520 --> 00:17:41,200 Speaker 1: uh sir, you know, and well, what's that? Oh it's 303 00:17:41,240 --> 00:17:44,000 Speaker 1: not mine? Okay, great? Whose is it? And so you know, 304 00:17:44,000 --> 00:17:46,680 Speaker 1: I had they had they confessed, but I didn't know 305 00:17:46,680 --> 00:17:48,119 Speaker 1: what it was because I didn't know anything about that 306 00:17:48,160 --> 00:17:51,080 Speaker 1: at that point. I was just but apparently the cast father, 307 00:17:51,240 --> 00:17:52,840 Speaker 1: you know he was, you know, back in the day. 308 00:17:52,840 --> 00:17:54,280 Speaker 1: And then that's when I started one. I wanted to 309 00:17:54,320 --> 00:17:58,680 Speaker 1: be a hustler. That's because you got nice things and 310 00:17:58,800 --> 00:18:01,680 Speaker 1: not a lot of work until I had to switch 311 00:18:01,720 --> 00:18:04,080 Speaker 1: it up and realized I enjoy putting in the work. 312 00:18:05,280 --> 00:18:08,159 Speaker 1: So starting off with you rapping first, like when you 313 00:18:08,200 --> 00:18:10,480 Speaker 1: went d F for cutting stuff, Like what what was 314 00:18:10,520 --> 00:18:13,879 Speaker 1: your role? Okay? So initially, um, I wanted to be 315 00:18:13,920 --> 00:18:18,800 Speaker 1: a rapper, and so my favorite rapper was Slick Rick. 316 00:18:19,720 --> 00:18:22,280 Speaker 1: So to me, he's like the greatest storyteller of all time. 317 00:18:22,320 --> 00:18:24,600 Speaker 1: You know, everybody has their favorite j and naas and 318 00:18:24,920 --> 00:18:27,120 Speaker 1: you know, rock him and I'm from the rock Him 319 00:18:27,160 --> 00:18:30,000 Speaker 1: error so um and black thought and like that's that's 320 00:18:30,080 --> 00:18:34,600 Speaker 1: my like, um my man, I'll be sure in effect 321 00:18:34,680 --> 00:18:41,760 Speaker 1: mode for your pleasure. For your pleasure, you know, that's 322 00:18:41,840 --> 00:18:46,800 Speaker 1: my junk right there. Yeah. So yeah, just that was 323 00:18:47,080 --> 00:18:49,120 Speaker 1: the way it started. And in fact, you know when 324 00:18:49,160 --> 00:18:51,959 Speaker 1: we started cutting the demos for have the initial demos, 325 00:18:52,040 --> 00:18:56,040 Speaker 1: it was, uh, you know, I wanted to rap on 326 00:18:56,119 --> 00:18:58,400 Speaker 1: the song, but they're like, no, don't rap, just sing 327 00:18:58,720 --> 00:19:01,480 Speaker 1: and sing sing some some the background. So I became 328 00:19:01,600 --> 00:19:04,360 Speaker 1: like the I wasn't a part of the group per se, 329 00:19:04,440 --> 00:19:06,800 Speaker 1: but I was the background singer. Um and I was 330 00:19:06,960 --> 00:19:08,840 Speaker 1: Eddie's best friend. But what Eddie did for me, which 331 00:19:08,880 --> 00:19:11,680 Speaker 1: is I love him to this day, no matter what 332 00:19:11,880 --> 00:19:13,920 Speaker 1: was going on. As they were getting their momentum, Eddie 333 00:19:13,920 --> 00:19:17,240 Speaker 1: would keep my little cassette tape with him and every 334 00:19:17,280 --> 00:19:19,480 Speaker 1: time he would be around Russell or Andre or anyone 335 00:19:19,560 --> 00:19:22,200 Speaker 1: like that nature, he would pop my cassette over. So 336 00:19:22,840 --> 00:19:24,680 Speaker 1: Andre just told the story. I think it was either 337 00:19:24,760 --> 00:19:26,920 Speaker 1: on her mind sung or he told it on inside 338 00:19:26,960 --> 00:19:29,520 Speaker 1: the label where he said, you know, one day having 339 00:19:29,680 --> 00:19:33,000 Speaker 1: Eddie uh miss studio time or something that easy. You know, 340 00:19:33,040 --> 00:19:35,080 Speaker 1: I said, hey, can I use it? And then uh, 341 00:19:35,520 --> 00:19:37,359 Speaker 1: Kylin that when they laid down night and day and 342 00:19:37,400 --> 00:19:39,440 Speaker 1: he says, oh, this kid got talent. I said, okay, 343 00:19:39,840 --> 00:19:41,760 Speaker 1: and then that's where it all started. It was the 344 00:19:41,800 --> 00:19:44,760 Speaker 1: first song, No, the first song I actually recorded was 345 00:19:45,480 --> 00:19:49,399 Speaker 1: this Love Is and that's the original version that was 346 00:19:49,520 --> 00:19:53,000 Speaker 1: on the four track cas set Roe Shamir just bounced 347 00:19:53,040 --> 00:19:55,960 Speaker 1: the cassette tape to the student and then we try 348 00:19:56,000 --> 00:19:57,719 Speaker 1: to keep most original element because you know, you get 349 00:19:57,760 --> 00:20:00,200 Speaker 1: demo whitis. He's like you in the hood, riding around 350 00:20:00,240 --> 00:20:04,040 Speaker 1: and in the K car joint on Third Street, and uh, 351 00:20:04,400 --> 00:20:08,119 Speaker 1: and it sounds and you get used to that. I studio. 352 00:20:09,160 --> 00:20:11,359 Speaker 1: It's like if it work, it works, that's what it is. 353 00:20:11,720 --> 00:20:13,920 Speaker 1: So I'm thinking you somethinking all the health stuff is 354 00:20:13,960 --> 00:20:17,159 Speaker 1: that you singing on? Don't you know? Don't you know? 355 00:20:19,160 --> 00:20:24,960 Speaker 1: Don't you know? Somebody for me money? Under mound burning? 356 00:20:26,400 --> 00:20:29,000 Speaker 1: How old were you around this time? I was younger. 357 00:20:29,000 --> 00:20:31,680 Speaker 1: I had to be seventeen or eighteen at least. Yeah, 358 00:20:33,000 --> 00:20:35,480 Speaker 1: And like what you're singing? Was it something like that? 359 00:20:35,840 --> 00:20:37,920 Speaker 1: I wasn't. I wasn't. No, I wasn't a singer. My 360 00:20:38,000 --> 00:20:41,119 Speaker 1: father played piano and my mother's manage a dental office. 361 00:20:41,200 --> 00:20:43,880 Speaker 1: But that was you know, I wasn't really a singer 362 00:20:43,920 --> 00:20:45,919 Speaker 1: or anything. But I was a stylist what you call 363 00:20:45,960 --> 00:20:48,960 Speaker 1: a stylist, meaning I understood structured because I studied, you know, 364 00:20:49,119 --> 00:20:51,359 Speaker 1: song structure and things that that nature to know that 365 00:20:51,400 --> 00:20:52,679 Speaker 1: I was going to be doing that, but I went 366 00:20:52,760 --> 00:20:54,240 Speaker 1: to send it for me. The oars over then like 367 00:20:54,400 --> 00:20:57,280 Speaker 1: you to study engineering. So Eddie and Eddie and I 368 00:20:57,359 --> 00:20:59,480 Speaker 1: right after high school wanted to. We wanted to. I 369 00:20:59,600 --> 00:21:01,520 Speaker 1: really want to be an engineer because I was into 370 00:21:01,560 --> 00:21:03,280 Speaker 1: frequency and sound. I'm a little bit of a straight 371 00:21:03,320 --> 00:21:05,359 Speaker 1: I'm a corn ball in terms of I'm into you know, 372 00:21:05,440 --> 00:21:08,159 Speaker 1: like now which I love everything related to analytics and 373 00:21:08,280 --> 00:21:11,280 Speaker 1: and and just understand a digital footprint of where you 374 00:21:11,359 --> 00:21:13,600 Speaker 1: are as an artists and then just trends and things 375 00:21:13,640 --> 00:21:16,119 Speaker 1: of that nature. So, um, that's what I truly enjoyed 376 00:21:16,160 --> 00:21:19,520 Speaker 1: as well. That's what's that when Um, when y'all did 377 00:21:19,600 --> 00:21:22,000 Speaker 1: the first well so you did Night and Day. You 378 00:21:22,119 --> 00:21:25,520 Speaker 1: and Kyle first off, talk about Kyle Man because he 379 00:21:26,640 --> 00:21:34,159 Speaker 1: nobody knows. When you heard, you knew it's some fires. 380 00:21:35,359 --> 00:21:37,480 Speaker 1: It's about to get real all the way down like 381 00:21:37,600 --> 00:21:39,879 Speaker 1: it when you heard that NI is about to get real. 382 00:21:40,960 --> 00:21:46,440 Speaker 1: It was funny, like go West, break it down, you know, Kyle, Kyle. 383 00:21:46,960 --> 00:21:51,119 Speaker 1: In fact, we just started, We just embarked and started 384 00:21:51,160 --> 00:21:54,000 Speaker 1: on the new album, which which which will be called. 385 00:21:54,440 --> 00:21:56,080 Speaker 1: I figured I was trying to thinking all these slick 386 00:21:56,200 --> 00:21:58,080 Speaker 1: names and I was like, nah, you know what, let 387 00:21:58,119 --> 00:22:01,320 Speaker 1: me just driving my lane. It's in effect mode two, 388 00:22:04,960 --> 00:22:08,520 Speaker 1: in effect mode two point zero one eight, That's all 389 00:22:08,600 --> 00:22:10,240 Speaker 1: it is. Because I'm just driving to my lane. I'm 390 00:22:10,240 --> 00:22:12,120 Speaker 1: not trying to be anybody else, dude, I'm just trying 391 00:22:12,160 --> 00:22:19,359 Speaker 1: to continue with my signature. Well, I just like shut 392 00:22:19,400 --> 00:22:21,880 Speaker 1: them down. The Cash album come out, you probably get 393 00:22:21,880 --> 00:22:24,280 Speaker 1: them calls like the pictures, Well guess so, no, they 394 00:22:24,320 --> 00:22:26,200 Speaker 1: can remix it all day long, you know, for for 395 00:22:26,280 --> 00:22:28,200 Speaker 1: the radio aspect of it. But I truly make music 396 00:22:28,320 --> 00:22:30,200 Speaker 1: from my soul. And you know, I don't want to 397 00:22:30,240 --> 00:22:32,360 Speaker 1: sound corny a cliche, but it's it's this is all 398 00:22:32,400 --> 00:22:34,200 Speaker 1: spiritual for me. This has never been about making it 399 00:22:34,320 --> 00:22:35,920 Speaker 1: records because I didn't know what it record was. I 400 00:22:35,960 --> 00:22:38,280 Speaker 1: didn't come from that. So everything for me was just 401 00:22:39,200 --> 00:22:41,199 Speaker 1: whatever I was feeling, whatever I was going through at 402 00:22:41,200 --> 00:22:44,359 Speaker 1: that moment, and interpretating that form of expression, whatever I 403 00:22:44,440 --> 00:22:47,200 Speaker 1: was going and having the vehicle of music to be 404 00:22:47,320 --> 00:22:50,880 Speaker 1: able to reach and travel the globe and and meet 405 00:22:51,040 --> 00:22:54,240 Speaker 1: leaders of nations. And it's really amazing what that vehicle 406 00:22:54,320 --> 00:22:57,080 Speaker 1: can do for you. Um because I didn't realize but 407 00:22:57,200 --> 00:22:59,240 Speaker 1: my mother, my mother told me all my life. Listen, 408 00:22:59,280 --> 00:23:01,080 Speaker 1: you're a citizen of the world. Once you become a 409 00:23:01,119 --> 00:23:03,120 Speaker 1: citizen in the world. And I didn't know to take 410 00:23:03,160 --> 00:23:05,040 Speaker 1: it seriously. I didn't know it's gonna be in Japan 411 00:23:05,240 --> 00:23:07,359 Speaker 1: and Germany and you know, all over the world and 412 00:23:07,920 --> 00:23:11,080 Speaker 1: making a joyful noise. I'm just I'm that's a blessing. 413 00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:14,359 Speaker 1: Anybody who thinks it's not a blessing, better ups is hiring. 414 00:23:14,760 --> 00:23:17,040 Speaker 1: So you and Kyle went from the time y'all made 415 00:23:17,119 --> 00:23:18,880 Speaker 1: Night and Day? How did you? How did it get 416 00:23:18,960 --> 00:23:24,040 Speaker 1: from there till you signing with Warner? Well, I have 417 00:23:24,840 --> 00:23:28,560 Speaker 1: I seen my question before that what was a Sony 418 00:23:28,640 --> 00:23:31,960 Speaker 1: Innovator and was it a real thing? Like I kept 419 00:23:32,080 --> 00:23:34,440 Speaker 1: even before I heard you, I kept hearing on like 420 00:23:34,600 --> 00:23:39,080 Speaker 1: Lee Bailey's radio Scope, So innovator, I'll be sure, Sony Innovator. 421 00:23:39,080 --> 00:23:41,520 Speaker 1: And then you know, I like read Billboard, Sony Innovator, 422 00:23:41,600 --> 00:23:44,280 Speaker 1: I'll be sure. And what the hell is the Sony? 423 00:23:44,400 --> 00:23:48,520 Speaker 1: What was the Sony Innovator? Okay, Sony Innovator was Sony 424 00:23:48,560 --> 00:23:51,880 Speaker 1: Corporation of America. We're looking for new signed and unsigned 425 00:23:51,960 --> 00:23:56,280 Speaker 1: artists who were innovative musically. Um. They had three judges. 426 00:23:56,400 --> 00:23:59,480 Speaker 1: I think it was you know, Tom Joyner, Deborah Crable 427 00:23:59,760 --> 00:24:04,000 Speaker 1: from every Just Showcases and uh and someone else. They 428 00:24:04,119 --> 00:24:06,119 Speaker 1: broke it down. Apparently they broke it down to a 429 00:24:06,240 --> 00:24:09,880 Speaker 1: field of fifty one cassette tapes. The final judges were 430 00:24:10,040 --> 00:24:14,879 Speaker 1: Herbie Hancock and Quincy Jones. And Quincy Jones chose Albie 431 00:24:14,920 --> 00:24:17,000 Speaker 1: Show's tape. On that particular tape, I think I had 432 00:24:17,040 --> 00:24:18,520 Speaker 1: with this love it so night and Day and like 433 00:24:18,600 --> 00:24:21,080 Speaker 1: awful young girl on or something but just the demo versions. 434 00:24:21,640 --> 00:24:23,200 Speaker 1: So this is even before the album came This is 435 00:24:23,280 --> 00:24:27,520 Speaker 1: before the album came out. And in fact, Benny mcdina's assistant, 436 00:24:27,680 --> 00:24:29,720 Speaker 1: Karen Jones, is one who submitted me for the for 437 00:24:29,840 --> 00:24:32,119 Speaker 1: the contest um and she's the one who put the 438 00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:36,520 Speaker 1: exclamation point on my name. She kept so yeah, so 439 00:24:36,600 --> 00:24:41,360 Speaker 1: then you know that particular campaign, uh you know, kind 440 00:24:41,359 --> 00:24:44,800 Speaker 1: of gave us to that signature in addition to co 441 00:24:45,040 --> 00:24:48,199 Speaker 1: signing by you know that dude who did that thriller thing. 442 00:24:48,359 --> 00:24:51,600 Speaker 1: You know, so imagine you know that was what a blessing. 443 00:24:51,640 --> 00:24:53,800 Speaker 1: And then you know, we started to rock together and 444 00:24:53,960 --> 00:24:56,200 Speaker 1: you know, came my big brother and and then I 445 00:24:56,320 --> 00:24:58,639 Speaker 1: learned so much from him. Imagine being one of his 446 00:24:59,080 --> 00:25:02,880 Speaker 1: his children. Um, when you're crawling around the living room 447 00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:06,280 Speaker 1: and it's deep Chopra and it's Oprah and so so 448 00:25:06,359 --> 00:25:09,080 Speaker 1: imagine those what those those young people would learn. Just 449 00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:12,160 Speaker 1: in terms of philosophies from around the globe, it's it's 450 00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:15,320 Speaker 1: truly truly amazing. Just so just when you're around Quincy, 451 00:25:15,400 --> 00:25:19,359 Speaker 1: just shut up. Yeah, we just let him talk. I 452 00:25:19,400 --> 00:25:27,280 Speaker 1: have hours and hours Wait wait did he ask you? 453 00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:31,000 Speaker 1: Did he ask you the famous question, what's your gumbo. 454 00:25:32,680 --> 00:25:36,239 Speaker 1: What's what's what? You have to ask him when he's 455 00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:42,040 Speaker 1: those toes? Man to you still got cute toes. I 456 00:25:42,040 --> 00:25:43,639 Speaker 1: showed him a picture of me when we to us 457 00:25:43,680 --> 00:25:45,200 Speaker 1: together when I was like six. People like, did you 458 00:25:45,280 --> 00:25:47,359 Speaker 1: have those toes? Then that's what I just asked. She 459 00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:48,840 Speaker 1: had the cutest little toes. I used to play with 460 00:25:48,840 --> 00:25:52,240 Speaker 1: the toes in the kitchen. We would sit her up 461 00:25:52,280 --> 00:25:55,040 Speaker 1: to sit on the table and Indiana, we should be 462 00:25:55,119 --> 00:25:57,760 Speaker 1: making some food and and literally you pull it to 463 00:25:57,800 --> 00:25:59,639 Speaker 1: who are you going? What are you doing? You know, 464 00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:04,480 Speaker 1: so you knew like when she was a kid, she 465 00:26:05,280 --> 00:26:08,240 Speaker 1: see like he had trying to make like I knew. 466 00:26:08,440 --> 00:26:10,639 Speaker 1: I knew you weren't have his thirteen like trying to 467 00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:13,320 Speaker 1: make me sound like I'm like because because you had 468 00:26:13,359 --> 00:26:15,600 Speaker 1: to be with nine or ten? You know what? Yes, 469 00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:19,600 Speaker 1: I was like, that is correct, I'll be sure. When 470 00:26:19,640 --> 00:26:24,680 Speaker 1: you was like I gotta feel like you know you 471 00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:29,240 Speaker 1: guys waiting for me outside because as like friends, Me 472 00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:31,680 Speaker 1: and him mets like my godmother's friend, you know what 473 00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:34,000 Speaker 1: I mean? Like it was he was an elder of sorts. 474 00:26:34,160 --> 00:26:36,280 Speaker 1: So with me and you, it was like let's go no, 475 00:26:37,320 --> 00:26:39,480 Speaker 1: but you keep throwing the word thirteen in my face, 476 00:26:39,600 --> 00:26:46,040 Speaker 1: like yeah, he was, Oh no, this is not sounding 477 00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:52,800 Speaker 1: good back to exactly, so sorry, this is so wrong, please, 478 00:26:54,359 --> 00:27:00,119 Speaker 1: oh my god. So he was there for like i 479 00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:03,200 Speaker 1: AM's first year, was it the first were here for 480 00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:05,040 Speaker 1: the first year. I was there when Diana made it 481 00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:07,280 Speaker 1: up sitting in the in the in the kitchen, know 482 00:27:07,320 --> 00:27:08,800 Speaker 1: a little breakfast nook that was in there with the 483 00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:10,760 Speaker 1: windows and stuff. When she came up with the whole 484 00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:14,119 Speaker 1: concept and the International met me in the house until 485 00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:21,200 Speaker 1: like nineteen years later you went to the house. I 486 00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:25,800 Speaker 1: don't know, didn't have enough, but she was an intern 487 00:27:25,920 --> 00:27:30,320 Speaker 1: at the International International. Danna allowed me like set up cheers, yes, okay, 488 00:27:30,359 --> 00:27:34,520 Speaker 1: so give us So Dana Williams, who is my godmother. 489 00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:37,040 Speaker 1: She founded a she's she's the mother of Black music. Mom. 490 00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:39,040 Speaker 1: She created that. She's a media coach. You see her 491 00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:42,359 Speaker 1: all the time. But she also created one of the 492 00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:46,119 Speaker 1: first music conferences called i AM, which was the International 493 00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:49,200 Speaker 1: Association of African American Music. And every year she would 494 00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:51,960 Speaker 1: bring people together and have had rapped Jack the Rapper, 495 00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:58,399 Speaker 1: Whitney Houston and the new edition she liked. Yeah, but 496 00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:01,120 Speaker 1: when you go to i AM, you know you're gonna 497 00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:06,480 Speaker 1: be there safe. Yeah, you don't know what's gonna happen. 498 00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:08,879 Speaker 1: What's crazy is I always tell our story through that 499 00:28:08,920 --> 00:28:10,520 Speaker 1: because I was like when I when I first went, 500 00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:12,720 Speaker 1: you were an intern and then you slowly kind of 501 00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:14,959 Speaker 1: rose up through I am like you did the showcase 502 00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:17,280 Speaker 1: and then you did the tribute to Jazzy Jeff, But 503 00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:22,000 Speaker 1: it was like, yeah, I still didn't get to see 504 00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:24,520 Speaker 1: what the inside of the house. But a very significant 505 00:28:24,560 --> 00:28:27,000 Speaker 1: part of who Dianna Williams is as well as um, 506 00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:31,160 Speaker 1: she is the amazing, amazing mom of uh Mr Kenny 507 00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:34,720 Speaker 1: Gamble's children as well. Um, and you know which is 508 00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:37,640 Speaker 1: Philadelphia International and kind of the blueprint of what we're 509 00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:41,080 Speaker 1: all doing, um, you know, in terms of just that soul, 510 00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:45,160 Speaker 1: true soul, just in your gut, in your soul music, 511 00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:49,120 Speaker 1: spiritual church. She is a subject of a lot of 512 00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:57,360 Speaker 1: those songs. Oh. Absolutely. The question I have about Uptown 513 00:28:57,400 --> 00:29:04,040 Speaker 1: Records is why, well, no, no, no, why because I'm 514 00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:06,440 Speaker 1: just noticing, at least in your case and also uh 515 00:29:07,280 --> 00:29:11,000 Speaker 1: Ultra mcnagg m c's case. Um, you guys weren't on 516 00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:13,720 Speaker 1: m C a proper, So how did you wind up 517 00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:18,480 Speaker 1: on Warner Brothers through Uptown. Great question quest great questions. 518 00:29:18,560 --> 00:29:22,320 Speaker 1: So I remember when they were doing the initial deal, 519 00:29:22,600 --> 00:29:25,360 Speaker 1: Andre was dealing with the thing. Either Mike Halle or 520 00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:30,000 Speaker 1: maybe was Ernie Singleton was there at the time, which 521 00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:31,959 Speaker 1: I usually lives in Vegas. Neared me as well too, 522 00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:35,680 Speaker 1: so um and uh okay, who was our guy over 523 00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:43,760 Speaker 1: so the Ernie Singleton? Um ah, Timmy Regisford. Um, yeah, 524 00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:48,400 Speaker 1: just you know that entire conglomerate of executives. Mike Halle, 525 00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:52,040 Speaker 1: I think they brought a group of remember the uptowns 526 00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:54,160 Speaker 1: kicking it so so so they were all the rappers 527 00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:56,120 Speaker 1: and they had all the rappers, so I wasn't necessarily 528 00:29:56,120 --> 00:29:58,800 Speaker 1: included in that. Um. And then I just to be 529 00:29:58,880 --> 00:30:00,960 Speaker 1: honest with you, which I think this is a good 530 00:30:01,080 --> 00:30:03,320 Speaker 1: thing that I just think they didn't want to sign me. 531 00:30:04,840 --> 00:30:07,720 Speaker 1: So at that point, so, um, you know, those nose 532 00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:10,200 Speaker 1: are pretty good. You know that it's a more more 533 00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:13,640 Speaker 1: of a motivator than anything else, you know, and they 534 00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:15,720 Speaker 1: didn't want And this is after hearing night and day. 535 00:30:16,120 --> 00:30:17,760 Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know what they heard. I 536 00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:19,520 Speaker 1: kind of at that point, I was more like just 537 00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:21,880 Speaker 1: rocking with Teddy and you know, I was under the 538 00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:24,360 Speaker 1: tutelage of Teddy and just sitting there every day and 539 00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:28,160 Speaker 1: Teddy Studio learning you know, programming and song arrangement and 540 00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:30,760 Speaker 1: structure and and just you know, I was honing in 541 00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:33,640 Speaker 1: on those skills. Um, and Andre stuck me with him, 542 00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:36,240 Speaker 1: So whatever that transaction that was going on was just 543 00:30:36,320 --> 00:30:39,560 Speaker 1: more included in that uptown's kicking a package. Um. And 544 00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:44,680 Speaker 1: then he wound up taking me to l A and 545 00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:47,440 Speaker 1: he said, listen, let's go, let's go get this bread. 546 00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:52,280 Speaker 1: I have an idea. And he brought me to record 547 00:30:52,320 --> 00:30:56,960 Speaker 1: executive Benny Medina and who was senior VP and A 548 00:30:57,200 --> 00:31:01,800 Speaker 1: at Warner Brothers at that point. And um, that's where 549 00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:04,760 Speaker 1: we went, you know initially and then so first and 550 00:31:04,840 --> 00:31:10,240 Speaker 1: foremost they gave us a singles deal. So yes, I 551 00:31:10,320 --> 00:31:12,880 Speaker 1: was like, oh, like I had a time, Like I 552 00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:15,840 Speaker 1: had a real you know reason to go. Oh I 553 00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:17,640 Speaker 1: should have been I shouldn't have been happy, you know, 554 00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:21,000 Speaker 1: getting any deal. Um. But but but again you know 555 00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:25,120 Speaker 1: that step mount burning. You know, I should have told him, 556 00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:31,720 Speaker 1: but I was supposed to set you for the deal. 557 00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:39,120 Speaker 1: Just run all over me on the st question hard 558 00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:44,480 Speaker 1: to tell, right, Um? Yeah, so you know he brought 559 00:31:44,520 --> 00:31:46,720 Speaker 1: me over to to Benny's Off. And it's funny because 560 00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:50,680 Speaker 1: I finally watched my entire song. I always was always 561 00:31:50,680 --> 00:31:53,160 Speaker 1: afraid to watch it because for the first year, and 562 00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:54,880 Speaker 1: I'll get back to why I was saying it. For 563 00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:58,360 Speaker 1: the first year, Um, I did the voice offers for song. Yeah, 564 00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:03,520 Speaker 1: it so that so you're the one that always ends 565 00:32:03,560 --> 00:32:12,120 Speaker 1: wraps career then rap kid. So what happened was so 566 00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:14,000 Speaker 1: the first the first season, when they were just launching 567 00:32:14,040 --> 00:32:19,080 Speaker 1: the show, it was Phillis Hyman, the Clark's sisters, DeBarge, 568 00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:22,040 Speaker 1: and I believe Donnie Hathaway. So those are the first 569 00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:24,160 Speaker 1: four episodes, just as a test run to see how 570 00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:28,240 Speaker 1: it worked out. And then uh, and then they moved 571 00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:30,360 Speaker 1: some of the executives around the TV one and then 572 00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:32,400 Speaker 1: I got you know, somebody's brought in their own person 573 00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:34,880 Speaker 1: to do it. But um but it was it was 574 00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:37,160 Speaker 1: a great experience and I loved doing the voice over 575 00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:40,520 Speaker 1: thinking obviously had been doing radio for many years, and um, 576 00:32:40,760 --> 00:32:43,920 Speaker 1: so just it was a great opportunity. But the show 577 00:32:44,040 --> 00:32:48,760 Speaker 1: for me was like you're dead and jumped off a building, 578 00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:51,400 Speaker 1: or you heroin out or you know, you tweaked out 579 00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:53,800 Speaker 1: or something. So so I was asked to do it 580 00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:55,640 Speaker 1: a few times, and I was like, no, maybe not 581 00:32:55,720 --> 00:32:57,760 Speaker 1: a good idea. I'm not dead. I don't think y'all 582 00:32:57,800 --> 00:33:00,239 Speaker 1: know how I still live out in Vegas. So um 583 00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:03,240 Speaker 1: so you know. So then as time went on, it 584 00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:06,160 Speaker 1: turned into me it turned into more of a docuseries 585 00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:09,479 Speaker 1: type style of show. Um, you know, depicting the artist's 586 00:33:09,520 --> 00:33:11,920 Speaker 1: life and and then you know the ups and downs 587 00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:13,800 Speaker 1: and so and so forth. So it wasn't necessarily there's 588 00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:17,160 Speaker 1: you know, death part, because a lot of times casts 589 00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:19,120 Speaker 1: will get like we'll see a kind of resurgence in 590 00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:24,040 Speaker 1: their music, um, like a brother like the interest. Yeah, 591 00:33:24,080 --> 00:33:25,920 Speaker 1: and and then and then what it was great about 592 00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:27,400 Speaker 1: it too is you know, cats like to get their 593 00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:29,760 Speaker 1: little we can't bread up a little something. I'm on TV. 594 00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:32,240 Speaker 1: You know, I got a new series. It's great, it's 595 00:33:32,280 --> 00:33:38,720 Speaker 1: the same record whatever. But um yeah, So so I 596 00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:41,200 Speaker 1: enjoyed it as well. And then at that point I had, 597 00:33:41,360 --> 00:33:43,160 Speaker 1: you know, I tasted a little bit in terms of 598 00:33:43,280 --> 00:33:45,680 Speaker 1: like production. So I've I've always wanted to direct and 599 00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:48,160 Speaker 1: and and to us I had an opportunity to, Um, 600 00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:51,040 Speaker 1: I'm executive producer on the Jamie Fox HBO special. I 601 00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:53,640 Speaker 1: might need security, so I started doing those things like that, 602 00:33:53,680 --> 00:33:55,120 Speaker 1: and I said, listen, this is this is something and 603 00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:58,360 Speaker 1: again a quincy thing is looked. I'll be uh you know, 604 00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:01,560 Speaker 1: there's a point in your life when there's anything available 605 00:34:01,560 --> 00:34:02,840 Speaker 1: to do, you just do it, you know, and just 606 00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:05,360 Speaker 1: make it. You know. So he was just always honing 607 00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:10,120 Speaker 1: in on that don't be one dimensional um aspect, and 608 00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:12,840 Speaker 1: uh I just wanted to Uh, I wanted to experience that. 609 00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:14,600 Speaker 1: But I really really like that. And then we started 610 00:34:14,640 --> 00:34:16,799 Speaker 1: working on like I think I was working on Clint 611 00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:18,879 Speaker 1: Eastwood was working on a new network called the Back 612 00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:21,719 Speaker 1: nine network was a competition to the Golf Channel, and 613 00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:23,880 Speaker 1: uh so I was in that aspect of it. You know, 614 00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:26,720 Speaker 1: I'm always trying to do it. I love Anteller revenue streams. 615 00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:30,080 Speaker 1: So so it's not about you know, it's not a 616 00:34:31,080 --> 00:34:41,520 Speaker 1: flatwear but and you understanding, very specifically as an artist 617 00:34:41,560 --> 00:34:46,520 Speaker 1: with a very strong brand um pray significantly you there's 618 00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:50,480 Speaker 1: a market out there too, you know that is truly 619 00:34:50,560 --> 00:34:53,000 Speaker 1: interested in what your brand has to offer, whether it's 620 00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:55,920 Speaker 1: toothpaste or whether it's you know, a drum pad or 621 00:34:56,480 --> 00:34:59,839 Speaker 1: you know anything. You know, yeah, but anything, yes, all 622 00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:04,160 Speaker 1: flat Yeah, Now that's just that's the George Foreman. I think, 623 00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:06,160 Speaker 1: to think about it, you think about it. There's a 624 00:35:06,239 --> 00:35:10,120 Speaker 1: generation who has no idea he can punch your lights out. 625 00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:18,560 Speaker 1: All they know is fish, you know. And how cute 626 00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:20,600 Speaker 1: is he? Look at this? Look at that man with 627 00:35:20,680 --> 00:35:22,880 Speaker 1: the bull head. He cute? He could say, he's a 628 00:35:23,040 --> 00:35:27,160 Speaker 1: lovely You don't know. George was a beast. George a 629 00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:30,920 Speaker 1: movie yourself, A gets you. He does he does inventors, 630 00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:34,520 Speaker 1: inventors dot com or whatever? That absolutely and and and 631 00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:36,879 Speaker 1: what's what's significant? And this is something I would tell 632 00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:40,359 Speaker 1: any of these new artists very specifically, what invent help? 633 00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:43,880 Speaker 1: And then help you? Um calling Ben help? That's my 634 00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:49,840 Speaker 1: friends of my friends. Um. And what very specifically what 635 00:35:50,080 --> 00:35:52,759 Speaker 1: I would suggest to some of the newer artists out 636 00:35:52,840 --> 00:35:56,960 Speaker 1: there who obviously the record industry is defunct in terms 637 00:35:57,000 --> 00:35:59,640 Speaker 1: of the way it used to be so um, obviously 638 00:35:59,719 --> 00:36:02,720 Speaker 1: it's mostly social media driven. Like if there's a major 639 00:36:02,840 --> 00:36:05,960 Speaker 1: role in the Spielberg has a major role, obviously, Um, 640 00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:09,680 Speaker 1: you know, if Justin Bieber and Tom Cruise, Justin Bieber 641 00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:12,200 Speaker 1: just might get the role because he's gonna guarantee them 642 00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:14,160 Speaker 1: far and he's gonna guarantee them number one at the 643 00:36:14,239 --> 00:36:16,960 Speaker 1: box office. Now maybe Tom Cruise, maybe you know, a 644 00:36:17,040 --> 00:36:19,480 Speaker 1: more accomplished and a better actor, But right now it's 645 00:36:19,520 --> 00:36:23,040 Speaker 1: about the shareholders. So so right now, if you're a 646 00:36:23,120 --> 00:36:25,279 Speaker 1: new artist and you're coming in with a following, and 647 00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:28,840 Speaker 1: you have a significant social media following, and you've generated 648 00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:33,239 Speaker 1: your your your personal grind is generated millions of followers. Um, 649 00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:35,440 Speaker 1: you can for the most part write your own ticket 650 00:36:35,640 --> 00:36:37,040 Speaker 1: and you basically they just want you to do all 651 00:36:37,080 --> 00:36:39,800 Speaker 1: the work for them. There you go, there you go, 652 00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:41,520 Speaker 1: and and but the key to it is if you 653 00:36:41,600 --> 00:36:44,880 Speaker 1: do come with that as as part of your arsenal 654 00:36:45,080 --> 00:36:47,719 Speaker 1: or your portfolio, make sure that you do what's called 655 00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:51,480 Speaker 1: Arnold Palmer business. And with the way Arnold Palmer does 656 00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:54,359 Speaker 1: business is the same significance of like how Shaquille does 657 00:36:54,440 --> 00:36:57,879 Speaker 1: and so on and so forth. Instead of endorsing a brand, Yeah, 658 00:36:58,160 --> 00:36:59,520 Speaker 1: let me get this bread here, give me you know 659 00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:02,239 Speaker 1: that's great, give me ten million, so and so forth. No, No, 660 00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:05,759 Speaker 1: that's cool, give me that ten stack. But also I 661 00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:08,800 Speaker 1: need an equity state in addition to I need to 662 00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:11,240 Speaker 1: be a part of the excess strategy of this company. 663 00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:18,400 Speaker 1: So when it goes public, we're in the money. Well, 664 00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:21,080 Speaker 1: there you go. And it's funny. I that was my 665 00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:24,480 Speaker 1: first meeting with the rock in Chicago with Diagio Brand Liquors, 666 00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:26,200 Speaker 1: and I remember that when they offered me that deal, 667 00:37:26,719 --> 00:37:31,800 Speaker 1: I guess somebody better got it. I'm gonna come on, 668 00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:34,200 Speaker 1: I'm proud because come on, straight up money. And I 669 00:37:34,280 --> 00:37:36,360 Speaker 1: am so proud of people. Don't realize. Let's set the 670 00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:39,840 Speaker 1: record straight right now. I am so proud of dude 671 00:37:40,200 --> 00:37:44,040 Speaker 1: in terms of first of all, being from you know, 672 00:37:44,520 --> 00:37:47,120 Speaker 1: the streets of Mount Vernon and and and it's come 673 00:37:47,200 --> 00:37:48,400 Speaker 1: up and I used this. It's funny cause I used 674 00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:50,720 Speaker 1: to always. That's why I told kim Us to tell Kimberly. 675 00:37:50,760 --> 00:37:54,400 Speaker 1: I said, well, Kimberlina, that's my baby. High Kim, I 676 00:37:54,560 --> 00:38:01,400 Speaker 1: missed you kill you know, so no, no, no, no, 677 00:38:01,520 --> 00:38:04,080 Speaker 1: first you know that was my that was my my sweetheart. 678 00:38:04,120 --> 00:38:06,279 Speaker 1: That was moved it from Columbus, Georgia, and I put 679 00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:08,200 Speaker 1: in a nice apartment with my sister up in the 680 00:38:08,280 --> 00:38:12,160 Speaker 1: river day. Yes. Actually I just started writing the book 681 00:38:12,200 --> 00:38:15,920 Speaker 1: to book. Yeah, it's called From Mount Vernon to the 682 00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:19,520 Speaker 1: Moon and back. So I'm looking for a publisher eventually, 683 00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:21,400 Speaker 1: and and my life story as well, because you know, 684 00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:26,600 Speaker 1: Bobby's just coming out. This Bobby Brown's coming Jesus Christ. 685 00:38:27,640 --> 00:38:29,680 Speaker 1: We'll talk about it too, because it's so much, it's 686 00:38:29,680 --> 00:38:32,560 Speaker 1: so much more than just you know, the guy who 687 00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:35,000 Speaker 1: made this is funny because curly lights can do made 688 00:38:35,080 --> 00:38:39,880 Speaker 1: night and day. It's it's only only listen. I have 689 00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:44,200 Speaker 1: to say that my introduction to you was sort of 690 00:38:44,239 --> 00:38:48,800 Speaker 1: semi backwards because I'm a cousin that you might have 691 00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:59,560 Speaker 1: went out with her exactly, but I was told she 692 00:38:59,719 --> 00:39:07,560 Speaker 1: told me that you were regularly, regularly get accosted by police, 693 00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:12,480 Speaker 1: like threatened for just walking down the block. Yeah, like 694 00:39:12,920 --> 00:39:15,719 Speaker 1: just to walk down the block would cause such a commotion. 695 00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:19,240 Speaker 1: They were like, we will arrest you if you continue 696 00:39:19,280 --> 00:39:22,360 Speaker 1: to walk in this morning, I got arrested Virginia on 697 00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:29,400 Speaker 1: Virginia Beach. Wait a minute, you Oh, I got it, 698 00:39:29,920 --> 00:39:33,080 Speaker 1: got it? What quest I got it? You know what 699 00:39:33,200 --> 00:39:36,480 Speaker 1: happened was so I didn't even understand the magnitude of 700 00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:39,560 Speaker 1: what was transpiring at this point. So we would we 701 00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:42,440 Speaker 1: so back and remember I just got a dollar over 702 00:39:42,560 --> 00:39:43,839 Speaker 1: lunch money, and you know I had to go get 703 00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:47,279 Speaker 1: that new maximum with the rims on it right to 704 00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:50,560 Speaker 1: me and my boys. We got into Maximum we drove 705 00:39:50,640 --> 00:39:52,879 Speaker 1: down because because the big thing was spring break, either 706 00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:55,000 Speaker 1: Howard home Coming or whatever, not even that we were 707 00:39:55,040 --> 00:39:56,879 Speaker 1: really old enough at that point, but we just want 708 00:39:56,920 --> 00:39:58,680 Speaker 1: to be in the mix. So that's where the girls are. 709 00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:02,719 Speaker 1: So we would I'm sorry, well this is this point 710 00:40:03,320 --> 00:40:05,400 Speaker 1: and then right here because we would go down and 711 00:40:05,440 --> 00:40:06,840 Speaker 1: it would just you know, just be a lot of 712 00:40:07,080 --> 00:40:10,600 Speaker 1: you know, really nice looking at and some joints. Right 713 00:40:10,840 --> 00:40:14,879 Speaker 1: so now so now afterwards, so I guess my boys 714 00:40:14,920 --> 00:40:16,680 Speaker 1: wanted to play a joke because I didn't realize what 715 00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:20,000 Speaker 1: I didn't realize what happened. Let's let's rewind slightly. Let's 716 00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:22,879 Speaker 1: go to Madison Square Garden. There was a tournament going 717 00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:24,759 Speaker 1: on and I believe it was like either McDonald's or 718 00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:27,560 Speaker 1: something going on. And my cousin Akbar said, hey, let's 719 00:40:27,600 --> 00:40:29,359 Speaker 1: go to this thing that you know, the radio station 720 00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:32,040 Speaker 1: there is promote this thing. So I don't know how 721 00:40:32,120 --> 00:40:33,799 Speaker 1: we got tickets, but he got tickets and we went 722 00:40:33,880 --> 00:40:38,560 Speaker 1: there and it was either halftime and I think Shaquille 723 00:40:38,600 --> 00:40:40,160 Speaker 1: O'Neill was playing in the year I think it was 724 00:40:40,200 --> 00:40:41,719 Speaker 1: on l s U at that point or something like that. 725 00:40:41,800 --> 00:40:44,439 Speaker 1: Maybe it was way back then, so I remember going 726 00:40:44,520 --> 00:40:47,000 Speaker 1: up to go get um some beverage and the hot 727 00:40:47,040 --> 00:40:50,080 Speaker 1: dog or something, and I had going up. Now, I 728 00:40:50,239 --> 00:40:55,799 Speaker 1: didn't realize that Ralph McDaniel video Music Box had been 729 00:40:55,880 --> 00:40:58,440 Speaker 1: playing my video for like a week or two weeks. 730 00:40:59,440 --> 00:41:02,680 Speaker 1: So mine you. I go up, I go get my 731 00:41:02,760 --> 00:41:05,440 Speaker 1: hot dog. I turned around and I didn't know this 732 00:41:05,600 --> 00:41:07,880 Speaker 1: is half time, I mean halftime, you know, like so 733 00:41:09,160 --> 00:41:12,000 Speaker 1: it's full of like schoolgirls and people. I turned around 734 00:41:13,120 --> 00:41:18,600 Speaker 1: and they started screaming, that's that boy. Oh that's that's 735 00:41:18,640 --> 00:41:20,480 Speaker 1: all I heard. That's and then they all jumped on 736 00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:23,680 Speaker 1: top of me. He's dreams. I don't even think. I 737 00:41:26,080 --> 00:41:28,160 Speaker 1: don't even it's funny because I don't even think I 738 00:41:28,200 --> 00:41:30,640 Speaker 1: could afford those yet, Like I didn't get a budget 739 00:41:30,760 --> 00:41:33,160 Speaker 1: or nothing that I had. I may have had some 740 00:41:33,280 --> 00:41:36,239 Speaker 1: pro kids with the strife on the South, but but 741 00:41:36,600 --> 00:41:40,320 Speaker 1: but it was it was such a scary situation for 742 00:41:40,480 --> 00:41:43,000 Speaker 1: me because what happened was I got snatched up by 743 00:41:43,080 --> 00:41:47,239 Speaker 1: security saying I started a fight. So everywhere I would 744 00:41:47,239 --> 00:41:48,960 Speaker 1: go to a mall, I would go to different places 745 00:41:49,200 --> 00:41:52,080 Speaker 1: and the security coup. Like so let's passed forward to 746 00:41:52,160 --> 00:41:55,520 Speaker 1: Virginia Beach. We're on Virginia Beach, That's how I met Mookie, 747 00:41:56,280 --> 00:41:58,760 Speaker 1: who used to body gulf for LLL and run DMC 748 00:41:59,200 --> 00:42:00,719 Speaker 1: because he was there with a bunch of New York 749 00:42:00,760 --> 00:42:02,839 Speaker 1: giants and so on and so forth. So we get there, 750 00:42:02,960 --> 00:42:07,480 Speaker 1: we park and we decide, you know, we're gonna walk 751 00:42:07,520 --> 00:42:12,160 Speaker 1: on the beach. That was such a mistake. So all 752 00:42:12,239 --> 00:42:14,920 Speaker 1: I know is that it started, and the running started 753 00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:17,120 Speaker 1: and the screaming and saw something. I'm trying to figure 754 00:42:17,120 --> 00:42:21,400 Speaker 1: out what's like dead, I'm dead ass what is going on? 755 00:42:22,320 --> 00:42:25,480 Speaker 1: And it was me the police on social media to 756 00:42:25,600 --> 00:42:28,160 Speaker 1: let you know that. Yeah, no, I had no idea. 757 00:42:28,280 --> 00:42:30,360 Speaker 1: So so the police came. And then what happens. I 758 00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:33,040 Speaker 1: got trapped in either eye hopped or whatever was there 759 00:42:33,160 --> 00:42:35,560 Speaker 1: at that point, whatever was on that part of the beach. 760 00:42:35,800 --> 00:42:38,040 Speaker 1: I got trapped in the store and they were shaking 761 00:42:38,080 --> 00:42:39,759 Speaker 1: the windows and breaking the window and trying to get 762 00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:43,319 Speaker 1: to me. Um, and then I remember it was helicopters. 763 00:42:43,680 --> 00:42:46,439 Speaker 1: We were you down there. But I've heard this story 764 00:42:46,440 --> 00:42:48,600 Speaker 1: and I thought this has to be an exaggeration. The 765 00:42:48,680 --> 00:42:51,279 Speaker 1: fact that you're actually verifying it, I can't believe. Like, 766 00:42:51,960 --> 00:42:54,880 Speaker 1: so I went thirty years not believing the story. So um. 767 00:42:55,120 --> 00:42:57,399 Speaker 1: So then they came and they put me in. They 768 00:42:57,680 --> 00:42:58,920 Speaker 1: tried to get there. It was a whole. It was 769 00:42:58,960 --> 00:43:01,759 Speaker 1: like a riot. And they finally got to me and 770 00:43:01,840 --> 00:43:03,239 Speaker 1: they put me in the car and they took me 771 00:43:03,360 --> 00:43:06,600 Speaker 1: to jail because I said I incited a riot and 772 00:43:06,680 --> 00:43:08,520 Speaker 1: I'm like, sir, I don't know what. I don't know 773 00:43:08,600 --> 00:43:10,960 Speaker 1: what a riot is, Sir, I'm not of that nature. 774 00:43:11,200 --> 00:43:16,600 Speaker 1: Thank you very much. On for Mount Vernon comprehend that 775 00:43:16,680 --> 00:43:18,920 Speaker 1: you were celebrity, and I guess it's weird to say that, 776 00:43:19,040 --> 00:43:21,799 Speaker 1: like guys, I'm sort of a big deal or like yeah, 777 00:43:21,840 --> 00:43:26,359 Speaker 1: but because I have right but different. But the whole 778 00:43:26,400 --> 00:43:28,879 Speaker 1: of a BT was everywhere, so you know, video soul 779 00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:33,399 Speaker 1: and BT and the music box and what I say, um, 780 00:43:34,640 --> 00:43:38,719 Speaker 1: I don't even remember, to be honest with you, yeah 781 00:43:41,200 --> 00:43:43,960 Speaker 1: sometimes no but but no. But but the point was 782 00:43:44,239 --> 00:43:46,319 Speaker 1: that they were actually right and doing what they were 783 00:43:46,360 --> 00:43:48,719 Speaker 1: doing because they didn't know. All they know is that 784 00:43:48,880 --> 00:43:51,719 Speaker 1: whatever I did started like literally they broke all the 785 00:43:51,800 --> 00:43:55,920 Speaker 1: windows in the gas station. Women, this is this is 786 00:43:56,200 --> 00:44:01,040 Speaker 1: some dudes too, and what was it was crazy. So 787 00:44:01,600 --> 00:44:04,520 Speaker 1: once we started seeing that happen, Um, so I remember, 788 00:44:04,680 --> 00:44:07,040 Speaker 1: I think it's funny. Andrea tells the story I'm gonna 789 00:44:07,040 --> 00:44:09,560 Speaker 1: get I'll get you the clip. Andrea tells the story. 790 00:44:10,280 --> 00:44:12,760 Speaker 1: And because I went to the office, to the uptown office, 791 00:44:12,760 --> 00:44:14,800 Speaker 1: and I said, and that's when we got an office 792 00:44:14,840 --> 00:44:17,719 Speaker 1: on fifty seven Street. And I said, Trey, come with me. 793 00:44:18,520 --> 00:44:20,520 Speaker 1: He says what I said, just come with me. Just 794 00:44:20,680 --> 00:44:21,960 Speaker 1: come walk down the street with me. I want to 795 00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:25,960 Speaker 1: show you something. He's like, okay, So we we go 796 00:44:26,360 --> 00:44:31,960 Speaker 1: and go outside. We're walking. It turns into a slow job. 797 00:44:32,880 --> 00:44:35,239 Speaker 1: It turns in people screaming from buses from this, and 798 00:44:35,520 --> 00:44:37,920 Speaker 1: like I'm trying to figuet like and I look at 799 00:44:37,960 --> 00:44:40,160 Speaker 1: it like this, and as you know, from a child, 800 00:44:40,200 --> 00:44:41,719 Speaker 1: I don't have a bean bone in my body. So 801 00:44:41,760 --> 00:44:43,400 Speaker 1: I'm just trying to figure out how do we market this. 802 00:44:48,280 --> 00:44:50,840 Speaker 1: I didn't know back then, but that's what my thought process, 803 00:44:50,840 --> 00:44:52,959 Speaker 1: because even even when I would go to Warner Brothers, 804 00:44:52,960 --> 00:44:55,480 Speaker 1: I remember trying to make sure I educated some of 805 00:44:55,520 --> 00:44:58,120 Speaker 1: the staff there as it related to I would see 806 00:44:58,120 --> 00:45:00,560 Speaker 1: a commercial and I would see who that who? I 807 00:45:00,640 --> 00:45:04,239 Speaker 1: want some candy? Give me some of that. Can't you 808 00:45:04,239 --> 00:45:06,320 Speaker 1: know it's funny that you had some sweets to me 809 00:45:06,400 --> 00:45:10,200 Speaker 1: because I because because okay, no, don't play with me. 810 00:45:10,280 --> 00:45:13,200 Speaker 1: I got some alma eminem. I don't play him. You 811 00:45:13,280 --> 00:45:15,960 Speaker 1: know what, No, I can't happen, you know, because I 812 00:45:16,080 --> 00:45:19,040 Speaker 1: just lost eighty pounds. And the way I did it 813 00:45:19,280 --> 00:45:25,080 Speaker 1: was I cut out sugar, rice, bread, pasta, and I 814 00:45:25,160 --> 00:45:28,520 Speaker 1: don't drink soda anymore. So and then and then you 815 00:45:28,600 --> 00:45:30,480 Speaker 1: know all the other stuff I did because because I 816 00:45:30,880 --> 00:45:33,319 Speaker 1: you know, I guess I could. We're getting it right here. 817 00:45:33,320 --> 00:45:35,399 Speaker 1: I'm giving it the quest right now because I never 818 00:45:35,440 --> 00:45:37,799 Speaker 1: talked about this, because you know, that's why, that's why 819 00:45:37,960 --> 00:45:39,799 Speaker 1: you don't see me all over reality. She was playing 820 00:45:39,840 --> 00:45:43,400 Speaker 1: myself except for one you know. But but what I 821 00:45:43,480 --> 00:45:47,920 Speaker 1: did was I really just decided just to take this seriously. 822 00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:50,040 Speaker 1: I was turning fifty and all the stuff I was 823 00:45:50,040 --> 00:45:52,120 Speaker 1: supposed to do as a black man in terms of 824 00:45:52,800 --> 00:45:54,960 Speaker 1: you know, colonoscopy, all this stuff. You know, there's a 825 00:45:55,040 --> 00:45:56,800 Speaker 1: rule book. Okay, you're black man, so you need to 826 00:45:56,840 --> 00:45:59,080 Speaker 1: do this, this, this, and let them put the camera here. 827 00:45:59,080 --> 00:46:01,800 Speaker 1: I'm like, at least buy me some flyers there. So 828 00:46:02,520 --> 00:46:04,440 Speaker 1: it's a big pain in the butt. So but but 829 00:46:04,600 --> 00:46:07,279 Speaker 1: but you have exactly right, um, but you have to, 830 00:46:07,320 --> 00:46:10,520 Speaker 1: you know, something you're supposed to do. And so I 831 00:46:10,600 --> 00:46:12,480 Speaker 1: waited until I was turning fifty to do it. So 832 00:46:12,480 --> 00:46:15,319 Speaker 1: I took off like six months and then they went 833 00:46:15,400 --> 00:46:19,120 Speaker 1: in with the cameras calling out to the E U K, 834 00:46:19,600 --> 00:46:22,560 Speaker 1: element O, P whatever, just whatever, what's just everything? So 835 00:46:22,800 --> 00:46:26,279 Speaker 1: we went in look check on X y Z and 836 00:46:26,360 --> 00:46:28,799 Speaker 1: then you know whatever, we'll just say whatever they saw. 837 00:46:28,920 --> 00:46:32,440 Speaker 1: I said, listen, whatever I don't need after fifty, just 838 00:46:32,560 --> 00:46:35,879 Speaker 1: take it out, just leave my heart and we're good. 839 00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:38,880 Speaker 1: So um, so I went through that process and you know, 840 00:46:39,200 --> 00:46:41,680 Speaker 1: and went in and said, listen, I need to I 841 00:46:41,800 --> 00:46:45,400 Speaker 1: need my health. I'm dealing with diabetes type two. My 842 00:46:45,560 --> 00:46:47,600 Speaker 1: grandson the most important. I don't even get old the 843 00:46:47,640 --> 00:46:49,759 Speaker 1: motion right now because my grandson is everything. That's my 844 00:46:49,880 --> 00:46:54,040 Speaker 1: little too right there. So um, he came over to 845 00:46:54,120 --> 00:46:56,160 Speaker 1: me and said, pop ups, because you can't call me 846 00:46:56,239 --> 00:47:01,120 Speaker 1: grandfather like A's pop ups. And he says, you know, popps, 847 00:47:01,280 --> 00:47:06,040 Speaker 1: uh that's you. You like Santa Claus saying you can't 848 00:47:06,040 --> 00:47:08,439 Speaker 1: bring me gifts and everything. Right. So when he said 849 00:47:08,480 --> 00:47:09,640 Speaker 1: that to me and I looked at him, I was 850 00:47:09,719 --> 00:47:12,759 Speaker 1: like from the mouth of Babes and I was like wow, 851 00:47:13,120 --> 00:47:15,480 Speaker 1: And I said and for me, because it's not because 852 00:47:16,920 --> 00:47:20,320 Speaker 1: what's crazy? And I've never said this before, but the 853 00:47:20,440 --> 00:47:22,920 Speaker 1: weight Gaine and all the other stuff was me running 854 00:47:22,960 --> 00:47:27,200 Speaker 1: from that sexy ship because I wasn't happy with that 855 00:47:27,239 --> 00:47:30,600 Speaker 1: because I'm straight in New York street cat from Mount Vernon. 856 00:47:31,160 --> 00:47:32,840 Speaker 1: Don't let them, don't let the love songs full you. 857 00:47:32,960 --> 00:47:36,120 Speaker 1: I'm still that straight from Mount Vernon, like and and 858 00:47:36,440 --> 00:47:38,279 Speaker 1: you know, I'm zall brown like you know, just that's 859 00:47:38,320 --> 00:47:40,719 Speaker 1: what I grew up. So all that putting me in 860 00:47:40,800 --> 00:47:43,640 Speaker 1: that category and in that lane I was. I've always been. 861 00:47:43,960 --> 00:47:46,880 Speaker 1: You've always been uncomfortable being a celebrity, like everywhere I go, 862 00:47:46,960 --> 00:47:50,839 Speaker 1: it's like, and I'm truly you hated that at the time. 863 00:47:51,160 --> 00:47:53,320 Speaker 1: After a while they lost his luster and people just 864 00:47:53,600 --> 00:47:55,560 Speaker 1: know I was just I was just scared, right, I 865 00:47:55,680 --> 00:47:57,960 Speaker 1: was scared to go anywhere and do anything that was 866 00:47:58,360 --> 00:48:02,759 Speaker 1: technically enjoyed it. It sounds like they're the closest thing. 867 00:48:02,880 --> 00:48:04,480 Speaker 1: Is funny, because Drey would say it all the time. 868 00:48:04,480 --> 00:48:06,720 Speaker 1: He said, this is the closest thing to Michael Jackson 869 00:48:06,840 --> 00:48:08,880 Speaker 1: he's ever seen. He said, he said, as much as 870 00:48:08,920 --> 00:48:11,239 Speaker 1: we've been everything like I had Elvis and then I 871 00:48:11,280 --> 00:48:14,080 Speaker 1: guess you know that's quoting him on the on one 872 00:48:14,160 --> 00:48:18,200 Speaker 1: song and it was, like I said, but this gave 873 00:48:18,239 --> 00:48:22,799 Speaker 1: me an opportunity to have my vehicle of expression, which 874 00:48:22,800 --> 00:48:25,239 Speaker 1: is my music reached the masses and the planet and 875 00:48:25,320 --> 00:48:26,640 Speaker 1: so and so forth, and and and I had my 876 00:48:26,640 --> 00:48:28,680 Speaker 1: little niche that. Mind you, I'm not Michael Jackson, I'm 877 00:48:28,680 --> 00:48:31,080 Speaker 1: not Tom Cruise. You know, most cats gas themselves and 878 00:48:31,080 --> 00:48:33,200 Speaker 1: they think they're too big. And it's like, no, I 879 00:48:33,320 --> 00:48:35,200 Speaker 1: know where Albi Shure is, and I know I gotta 880 00:48:35,280 --> 00:48:37,560 Speaker 1: I know my sweet spot in terms of my core audience, 881 00:48:37,600 --> 00:48:40,279 Speaker 1: and and I and I focus on them. I don't 882 00:48:40,320 --> 00:48:41,800 Speaker 1: try to go to outside of it. But what I 883 00:48:41,880 --> 00:48:43,719 Speaker 1: do is I love all types of music. So that's 884 00:48:43,719 --> 00:48:47,320 Speaker 1: why I enjoy working with David Bowie, Robert Palmer, Rod Stewart, 885 00:48:47,640 --> 00:48:50,880 Speaker 1: Al Green. You know, I'm saying so so because I 886 00:48:50,920 --> 00:48:53,760 Speaker 1: saw that's what I listened to on AM radio growing 887 00:48:53,840 --> 00:48:55,400 Speaker 1: up as a kid in my back of my father's 888 00:48:55,440 --> 00:49:00,560 Speaker 1: Color Supreme he would have on CBS radio. So I'm listening. 889 00:49:00,560 --> 00:49:03,000 Speaker 1: So I'm listening to the Eagles, I'm listening to Journey, 890 00:49:03,080 --> 00:49:07,719 Speaker 1: I'm listening to uh Chicago. You know, I'm listening to 891 00:49:07,880 --> 00:49:11,040 Speaker 1: all you know, an eclectic version of what music is. 892 00:49:11,120 --> 00:49:13,400 Speaker 1: So there was no color to it for me. So 893 00:49:13,719 --> 00:49:15,640 Speaker 1: that's why I love, like one of my favorite artists 894 00:49:15,680 --> 00:49:18,640 Speaker 1: on the planet, this thing what I love. Can I 895 00:49:18,640 --> 00:49:21,120 Speaker 1: ask a question since you mentioned that, sir, do you 896 00:49:21,160 --> 00:49:26,320 Speaker 1: remember the first record you ever purchased, your very first record? 897 00:49:26,520 --> 00:49:29,359 Speaker 1: It had to be a Jackson five record. It had 898 00:49:29,440 --> 00:49:31,960 Speaker 1: to be UM or Stevie Wonder record. Maybe maybe it was. 899 00:49:32,520 --> 00:49:35,880 Speaker 1: It could have been well, you know what, wait a minute, 900 00:49:35,920 --> 00:49:37,960 Speaker 1: it might have been a Pastel the Bell record. And 901 00:49:38,040 --> 00:49:40,799 Speaker 1: let me tell you why. Because the record player whatever 902 00:49:40,920 --> 00:49:42,959 Speaker 1: my mother was playing on the record players or something. 903 00:49:43,120 --> 00:49:45,319 Speaker 1: So I would do rehearsals in the in the living 904 00:49:45,400 --> 00:49:47,719 Speaker 1: room and I would but see, I remember, I got 905 00:49:47,800 --> 00:49:49,279 Speaker 1: a whoop him because I used to try to take 906 00:49:49,320 --> 00:49:51,200 Speaker 1: everything apart. I thought was an engineers. I would take 907 00:49:51,200 --> 00:49:53,160 Speaker 1: the record play apart. It would take the TV apart. 908 00:49:53,440 --> 00:49:54,960 Speaker 1: My mother would care, but mother would come in and 909 00:49:55,040 --> 00:49:58,800 Speaker 1: the TV be apart. Don't take the cutless supreme apart 910 00:49:58,880 --> 00:50:07,920 Speaker 1: man man. So eventually, so eventually you had to realize 911 00:50:08,000 --> 00:50:13,279 Speaker 1: that you needed an entourage just to protect you and 912 00:50:13,360 --> 00:50:15,640 Speaker 1: protect you from the public, because I mean, I can 913 00:50:15,760 --> 00:50:21,240 Speaker 1: imagine and what you mentioned about like just not wanting 914 00:50:21,239 --> 00:50:23,440 Speaker 1: to be known for just like the pretty boy at 915 00:50:23,440 --> 00:50:25,319 Speaker 1: the moment that stuff, and that you're a real artist. 916 00:50:25,400 --> 00:50:28,520 Speaker 1: And that's thing I know that that whereas that that 917 00:50:29,200 --> 00:50:34,560 Speaker 1: grows old quick fast. Yeah exactly. I was about to say, 918 00:50:34,640 --> 00:50:36,840 Speaker 1: d has the same story. And you know, like looking 919 00:50:37,920 --> 00:50:39,560 Speaker 1: it always seems like the grass is greener on the 920 00:50:39,640 --> 00:50:41,360 Speaker 1: other side. Because I was just like, yo, man, like 921 00:50:42,719 --> 00:50:44,399 Speaker 1: at the snap of a finger, you could be Prince 922 00:50:44,440 --> 00:50:47,960 Speaker 1: I Kim all right, and the royal petis is clean. 923 00:50:51,040 --> 00:50:53,319 Speaker 1: But to hear you say it, you know, it's like, well, 924 00:50:53,440 --> 00:50:56,000 Speaker 1: you know, I'm human and I have the artistic expressions 925 00:50:56,080 --> 00:50:58,799 Speaker 1: and those things, and so it wasn't all right. I'm 926 00:50:58,840 --> 00:51:01,640 Speaker 1: like you, I take this seriously, like I consider this 927 00:51:01,719 --> 00:51:03,719 Speaker 1: a blessing. And there's no you know, there's like I said, 928 00:51:03,719 --> 00:51:06,600 Speaker 1: there's no I have. I don't have a veinbone in 929 00:51:06,640 --> 00:51:10,160 Speaker 1: my body outside of my love for the music. I mean, 930 00:51:10,239 --> 00:51:12,520 Speaker 1: that's my wife. The music is my wife, and anyone 931 00:51:12,560 --> 00:51:15,640 Speaker 1: in my life is the mistress. So it's always going 932 00:51:15,680 --> 00:51:17,920 Speaker 1: to be that way. And and and the reason I'm 933 00:51:17,960 --> 00:51:21,360 Speaker 1: related to this day, and this is something I mentioned frequently, 934 00:51:21,520 --> 00:51:26,359 Speaker 1: is the reason the digital footprint for this particular music, 935 00:51:26,400 --> 00:51:28,640 Speaker 1: whether it be New Jack Swing or R and b music, 936 00:51:28,719 --> 00:51:30,200 Speaker 1: and I try to be at the forefront. That's why 937 00:51:30,200 --> 00:51:33,120 Speaker 1: I do radio, and I create as many media platforms 938 00:51:33,160 --> 00:51:35,640 Speaker 1: I can to keep it out there and and make 939 00:51:35,680 --> 00:51:39,279 Speaker 1: it do what to do. But um, the reason is 940 00:51:39,360 --> 00:51:45,080 Speaker 1: so significant because we were at it's music is malnutrition 941 00:51:45,400 --> 00:51:48,720 Speaker 1: right now. And and I'm saying that from the standom. 942 00:51:48,760 --> 00:51:50,600 Speaker 1: Don't get me wrong, because I don't knock anyone's hustle 943 00:51:50,640 --> 00:51:54,960 Speaker 1: because I love what technology has allowed other forms of 944 00:51:55,640 --> 00:51:57,600 Speaker 1: their craft to be introduced to the world. So I 945 00:51:57,600 --> 00:51:59,680 Speaker 1: don't knock that. It's not something I'd be listening to 946 00:51:59,800 --> 00:52:03,759 Speaker 1: make love and so so both, you know. But the 947 00:52:03,920 --> 00:52:07,320 Speaker 1: reason this music is so prominent and what we do, 948 00:52:08,480 --> 00:52:11,719 Speaker 1: it's because there's a generation of women who were starving 949 00:52:11,760 --> 00:52:13,840 Speaker 1: to be told I love you again. Talk about it? 950 00:52:14,520 --> 00:52:22,080 Speaker 1: Oh sorry, you know and very significant, thank you, thank 951 00:52:22,120 --> 00:52:24,600 Speaker 1: you very much much. Uh, there's you know, there's a 952 00:52:24,600 --> 00:52:26,600 Speaker 1: generation of women who were starving to be told I 953 00:52:26,640 --> 00:52:29,160 Speaker 1: love you again. So they gravitate towards this music, whether 954 00:52:29,200 --> 00:52:32,040 Speaker 1: it's they don't even have to be me, whether Alby Shore, 955 00:52:32,160 --> 00:52:34,480 Speaker 1: Bobby Brown, Earthwin and fire, let's even go there. Let's 956 00:52:34,480 --> 00:52:40,640 Speaker 1: go the organic feeling. Um, there's an organic feeling. That's 957 00:52:40,719 --> 00:52:44,400 Speaker 1: that's a necessity, that's that's that's medicine that's needed. Like 958 00:52:45,600 --> 00:52:47,759 Speaker 1: do you realize what this world would be like with 959 00:52:47,920 --> 00:52:58,600 Speaker 1: no music? Wouldn't be here about and outside of outside 960 00:52:58,680 --> 00:53:03,360 Speaker 1: of just the the where it creates continuity as it 961 00:53:03,400 --> 00:53:06,680 Speaker 1: relates to my way out of the hood. And so 962 00:53:07,120 --> 00:53:09,600 Speaker 1: that's not it. It's so much more. I mean, obviously 963 00:53:09,680 --> 00:53:13,520 Speaker 1: for a generation that has access now you know it 964 00:53:14,400 --> 00:53:16,759 Speaker 1: can turn miracles for you, but you have to take 965 00:53:16,840 --> 00:53:18,880 Speaker 1: it seriously as something you know, you can't take it 966 00:53:18,960 --> 00:53:21,560 Speaker 1: for granted. It will take advantage of it. It's a woman, 967 00:53:22,560 --> 00:53:24,479 Speaker 1: the same thing I would tell my sons about a woman. 968 00:53:24,719 --> 00:53:32,399 Speaker 1: If you don't love her, leave her alone. Oh damn. 969 00:53:33,320 --> 00:53:35,440 Speaker 1: It was like several questions just came from that last statement, 970 00:53:36,080 --> 00:53:42,120 Speaker 1: but just ask one. Actually, I want to get to 971 00:53:42,200 --> 00:53:44,920 Speaker 1: the music because I think it should be noted that 972 00:53:45,760 --> 00:53:50,279 Speaker 1: with an effect mode literally with and I had to 973 00:53:50,320 --> 00:53:53,040 Speaker 1: look it up, um, with the exception of Naturally mind 974 00:53:54,520 --> 00:53:57,359 Speaker 1: and just to Taste of Love and literally I mean 975 00:53:57,440 --> 00:54:02,480 Speaker 1: it was borderline neck and neck with Thriller with every 976 00:54:02,560 --> 00:54:05,480 Speaker 1: song was and even if not officially a single, like 977 00:54:05,880 --> 00:54:09,480 Speaker 1: Philly Radio even played the not like you know, kill 978 00:54:09,600 --> 00:54:12,840 Speaker 1: me softly in this lovesode like album cut didn't relive me? 979 00:54:14,800 --> 00:54:20,439 Speaker 1: So how do you feel as though you've gotten your 980 00:54:22,880 --> 00:54:26,600 Speaker 1: just deserve? Just as far as like the acknowledgement that 981 00:54:26,880 --> 00:54:34,240 Speaker 1: this album with seven known sas the line between single, 982 00:54:34,800 --> 00:54:40,200 Speaker 1: single and filler, how important it is? And and how 983 00:54:40,280 --> 00:54:43,640 Speaker 1: do you feel about the tag for New Jack Swing? 984 00:54:45,320 --> 00:54:48,880 Speaker 1: It's you know, new Jack Swing pioneers sort of do 985 00:54:48,960 --> 00:54:51,680 Speaker 1: you shrug it off as do you feel a date 986 00:54:51,800 --> 00:54:54,480 Speaker 1: you or just under well? No, you know, I appreciate 987 00:54:54,560 --> 00:54:58,000 Speaker 1: it because new Jack Swing. First of all, let's let's 988 00:54:58,120 --> 00:55:01,759 Speaker 1: let's get um, let's give the just do where to do? 989 00:55:02,120 --> 00:55:06,279 Speaker 1: Teddy Riley Theodore is the inventor of New Jack Swing. 990 00:55:06,400 --> 00:55:09,759 Speaker 1: He took uh what he was influenced by. I mean, 991 00:55:09,840 --> 00:55:13,600 Speaker 1: people don't realize Teddy did Duddy first the show, you know, 992 00:55:13,760 --> 00:55:16,080 Speaker 1: like I mean obviously you guys would know it here. 993 00:55:16,120 --> 00:55:19,279 Speaker 1: But um, that's one of the first swing records. Um. 994 00:55:19,840 --> 00:55:25,040 Speaker 1: But the phrase the term was coined by a gentleman 995 00:55:25,080 --> 00:55:27,960 Speaker 1: by the name of Babbitt Barry Michael Cooper, who was 996 00:55:28,080 --> 00:55:32,520 Speaker 1: the contributor to all of those cult classic movies of 997 00:55:32,640 --> 00:55:35,640 Speaker 1: the nineties, you know, the New Jack Swing, New Jackson, 998 00:55:35,680 --> 00:55:39,840 Speaker 1: I mean New Jack Swing, Jack City, Jason's lyric above 999 00:55:39,920 --> 00:55:43,719 Speaker 1: the Rim, you know, all of those those classic cult films. UM. 1000 00:55:44,560 --> 00:55:47,400 Speaker 1: And in fact, he's the one that I reached out to. 1001 00:55:47,680 --> 00:55:51,759 Speaker 1: We we we keep in touch frequently and UM dialogue 1002 00:55:51,760 --> 00:55:56,080 Speaker 1: about what this means so much to the point where 1003 00:55:56,200 --> 00:56:00,400 Speaker 1: he endorsed me. He just finished doing Spike Lee's on Netflix. Um, 1004 00:56:00,960 --> 00:56:04,760 Speaker 1: she's gonna have it right. So he and I agreed 1005 00:56:04,880 --> 00:56:07,880 Speaker 1: that he would be the author of my life story 1006 00:56:08,600 --> 00:56:10,960 Speaker 1: because he was you know, which is truly a blessing 1007 00:56:11,080 --> 00:56:14,440 Speaker 1: because he was there, he lived it, he understands it. 1008 00:56:14,520 --> 00:56:18,320 Speaker 1: It's organically from him. UM. Going back to your question quest, 1009 00:56:18,440 --> 00:56:24,400 Speaker 1: the Teddy Riley invented the genre. UM, and what we 1010 00:56:24,520 --> 00:56:28,360 Speaker 1: did was we created derivatives of it. So Eddie f 1011 00:56:28,760 --> 00:56:32,359 Speaker 1: had his version of what it was. Andre is funny. 1012 00:56:32,400 --> 00:56:34,960 Speaker 1: Andre just said and in an interview maybe it was 1013 00:56:35,239 --> 00:56:37,520 Speaker 1: the same one with south By. Only three people who 1014 00:56:37,560 --> 00:56:39,440 Speaker 1: really know how to do New Jack swingers, Eddief, I'll 1015 00:56:39,440 --> 00:56:42,799 Speaker 1: be showing Teddy Riley. I don't know. I think there's 1016 00:56:42,840 --> 00:56:45,600 Speaker 1: more than that, but I appreciate being a part of that. 1017 00:56:47,280 --> 00:56:53,879 Speaker 1: The from your question quest, I think I've never walked 1018 00:56:53,920 --> 00:56:57,560 Speaker 1: with my own flag. I didn't understand the marketing aspect 1019 00:56:57,640 --> 00:56:59,360 Speaker 1: of walking my own flag saying hey, you know this 1020 00:56:59,440 --> 00:57:01,680 Speaker 1: is from my next gig. You know, yeah I did this. 1021 00:57:01,880 --> 00:57:03,680 Speaker 1: What happens. I let a lot of people take credit 1022 00:57:03,760 --> 00:57:08,000 Speaker 1: for for my work. And I wasn't necessarily concerned about 1023 00:57:08,040 --> 00:57:11,680 Speaker 1: it because I wasn't concerned about being popular in that aspect, 1024 00:57:11,719 --> 00:57:13,759 Speaker 1: because that was already there, Like I was already out 1025 00:57:13,760 --> 00:57:15,440 Speaker 1: of me sure, So I wasn't worried about, oh, you 1026 00:57:15,480 --> 00:57:16,800 Speaker 1: know I did this, I wrote this, I wrote this. 1027 00:57:16,880 --> 00:57:19,919 Speaker 1: I was just more concerned about being popular city bank 1028 00:57:23,520 --> 00:57:25,640 Speaker 1: at this moment. Can you beat yourself up for a 1029 00:57:25,680 --> 00:57:27,240 Speaker 1: second real quick, because there might be some things that 1030 00:57:27,280 --> 00:57:30,320 Speaker 1: people don't know writing wise that you're like, yeah, but no, 1031 00:57:30,440 --> 00:57:32,400 Speaker 1: but now but seeven now. And that's the whole purpose 1032 00:57:32,480 --> 00:57:35,880 Speaker 1: of this whole you know, metamorphosis of turning fifty and 1033 00:57:36,440 --> 00:57:40,520 Speaker 1: now connecting reconnecting with my body, mind and spirit. Um 1034 00:57:40,960 --> 00:57:42,840 Speaker 1: my book, doing the book from mom running to the 1035 00:57:42,880 --> 00:57:45,520 Speaker 1: moon and back, and then also embarking on I'm looking 1036 00:57:45,600 --> 00:57:47,440 Speaker 1: for a home for my life story, you know. So, 1037 00:57:48,320 --> 00:57:52,080 Speaker 1: And I was gonna say that should the book get optioned, 1038 00:57:53,200 --> 00:57:57,200 Speaker 1: who would be Yeah, I was gonna say, would be 1039 00:57:57,240 --> 00:58:07,520 Speaker 1: the captain and obvious Chris Brown playing. That's a question 1040 00:58:07,560 --> 00:58:09,560 Speaker 1: from a singer standpointcause I don't know What'squincy can sing, 1041 00:58:09,640 --> 00:58:11,760 Speaker 1: because yeah, no, he gets down now, did you hear? So? 1042 00:58:11,880 --> 00:58:14,360 Speaker 1: You know, we did the remake Quincy and I remade 1043 00:58:14,440 --> 00:58:18,280 Speaker 1: Night and Day. Yeah, we have to guess what's so 1044 00:58:18,960 --> 00:58:21,160 Speaker 1: anybody listening if you want to see the video right now, 1045 00:58:21,200 --> 00:58:25,520 Speaker 1: we made a mini movie a Secret Garden Radio dot 1046 00:58:25,640 --> 00:58:29,040 Speaker 1: com forward Slash, Big and Strong. So we had the 1047 00:58:29,120 --> 00:58:30,520 Speaker 1: video we almost had. I think we probably over a 1048 00:58:30,600 --> 00:58:32,960 Speaker 1: million views now. But yeah, he remade that, but he 1049 00:58:33,040 --> 00:58:35,560 Speaker 1: did a new version to it, um and I was 1050 00:58:35,640 --> 00:58:38,160 Speaker 1: so proud because he called me your box came meet 1051 00:58:38,200 --> 00:58:39,880 Speaker 1: me in l A. I got surprised for you. So 1052 00:58:39,960 --> 00:58:41,880 Speaker 1: he started him and his man started working on it. 1053 00:58:42,240 --> 00:58:44,280 Speaker 1: And his man started working on it, and so I 1054 00:58:44,400 --> 00:58:46,400 Speaker 1: came in and I said, okay, just leave me alone here, 1055 00:58:46,480 --> 00:58:48,600 Speaker 1: let me just get this, get it together. So I 1056 00:58:48,920 --> 00:58:53,120 Speaker 1: took all the stems and so I had to flip, 1057 00:58:53,320 --> 00:58:55,200 Speaker 1: you know, and I put all the backgrounds on it 1058 00:58:55,240 --> 00:58:57,800 Speaker 1: and and then so yeah, so we we had fun 1059 00:58:57,880 --> 00:58:59,680 Speaker 1: with it. It was an amazing time because this is 1060 00:58:59,720 --> 00:59:02,280 Speaker 1: something that I've told my my young man, I said, listen, 1061 00:59:03,040 --> 00:59:07,080 Speaker 1: take pops catalog and use it as a springboard. Do you? 1062 00:59:07,720 --> 00:59:10,320 Speaker 1: But you utilize that this? You know, these songs played 1063 00:59:10,360 --> 00:59:15,400 Speaker 1: in in over a hundred countries, people who may not 1064 00:59:15,520 --> 00:59:18,440 Speaker 1: even have English as their first language, but they can 1065 00:59:18,520 --> 00:59:23,560 Speaker 1: recite the most Probably the most enlightening and the most 1066 00:59:23,680 --> 00:59:29,000 Speaker 1: humbling experience for me was coming from a studio apartment 1067 00:59:29,040 --> 00:59:34,080 Speaker 1: in Mount Vernon with me and moms and writing some 1068 00:59:34,280 --> 00:59:37,040 Speaker 1: of these songs on the back of my notepad, finding 1069 00:59:37,160 --> 00:59:41,040 Speaker 1: myself in Tokyo, Japan and from the ten thousand Japanese 1070 00:59:41,080 --> 00:59:45,160 Speaker 1: citizens singing every lyric to the song. That's not normal? 1071 00:59:45,920 --> 00:59:48,320 Speaker 1: What's normal about that? How does that work? How does that? 1072 00:59:49,040 --> 00:59:52,720 Speaker 1: How does that happen? I'm was just in my room 1073 00:59:53,800 --> 00:59:57,360 Speaker 1: trying to do new edition steps, playing the record player, 1074 00:59:57,600 --> 00:59:59,720 Speaker 1: and so now sudden I'm in front of ten tho 1075 01:00:00,040 --> 01:00:03,880 Speaker 1: Japanese citizens singing every word. And then when you finished, 1076 01:00:03,920 --> 01:00:07,040 Speaker 1: they wouldn't clap, but they would look at you. So 1077 01:00:07,120 --> 01:00:10,560 Speaker 1: I was like, what did I do wrong? But they 1078 01:00:10,600 --> 01:00:19,160 Speaker 1: were being polite so to promote uh in effect mode, 1079 01:00:19,640 --> 01:00:24,000 Speaker 1: you were part of the Any Heartbreak tour right, and 1080 01:00:24,040 --> 01:00:28,400 Speaker 1: I'm the first platinum artists on Uptown Records. Yes, yeah, 1081 01:00:28,560 --> 01:00:32,120 Speaker 1: you are. Okay, so you're the first you're the first 1082 01:00:32,200 --> 01:00:35,120 Speaker 1: prize horse out the out the stable with a million 1083 01:00:35,240 --> 01:00:41,560 Speaker 1: units sold. Um, how with such three heavy weights on 1084 01:00:41,680 --> 01:00:45,520 Speaker 1: the tour and I guess we saw I'll be sure 1085 01:00:45,560 --> 01:00:49,880 Speaker 1: and Bobby Brown, Oh that's right, okay? How with all 1086 01:00:49,960 --> 01:00:55,960 Speaker 1: of you as heavy weights? And I know there was 1087 01:00:56,080 --> 01:01:01,160 Speaker 1: there was at least from the the b t story. 1088 01:01:02,400 --> 01:01:04,080 Speaker 1: Have you seen have you seen? Have you seen it yet? 1089 01:01:04,840 --> 01:01:10,640 Speaker 1: I haven't seen the Bobby because because they mentioned again, 1090 01:01:10,640 --> 01:01:13,000 Speaker 1: I thinking the Bobby one, but that's coming up as well. 1091 01:01:13,560 --> 01:01:16,560 Speaker 1: So how what was that touring experience like for you 1092 01:01:17,520 --> 01:01:22,120 Speaker 1: in general? Well, the the Any Heartbreak Tour um something 1093 01:01:22,160 --> 01:01:24,080 Speaker 1: that Al Hayman put together because he was doing our 1094 01:01:24,160 --> 01:01:27,480 Speaker 1: tour and the Michael Jackson tour as well. So I 1095 01:01:27,560 --> 01:01:29,520 Speaker 1: think we were probably like two of the highest grossing 1096 01:01:29,640 --> 01:01:35,040 Speaker 1: tours of that genre and that in that particular time period. Um. 1097 01:01:36,240 --> 01:01:42,120 Speaker 1: For me, Um, I was that guy. So it was 1098 01:01:42,720 --> 01:01:45,600 Speaker 1: a great idea to put me on that tour? Did 1099 01:01:45,680 --> 01:01:47,840 Speaker 1: I know I was that guy? Had no idea because 1100 01:01:47,840 --> 01:01:50,680 Speaker 1: I'm just the biggest Bobby Brown fan on Planet Earth 1101 01:01:51,200 --> 01:01:53,480 Speaker 1: and New Additions, So I grew up wanting to be 1102 01:01:53,880 --> 01:01:56,440 Speaker 1: the six member of New Edition. You know, you know 1103 01:01:56,560 --> 01:02:03,440 Speaker 1: so so. But there was that Mount Vernon, Mount burning Ish, 1104 01:02:03,720 --> 01:02:07,040 Speaker 1: whatever was going on in me that said I'm in here, 1105 01:02:07,160 --> 01:02:08,840 Speaker 1: so let's do it, you know, let's let's do it. 1106 01:02:09,000 --> 01:02:15,720 Speaker 1: So was I intimidated. A part of me was intimidated 1107 01:02:15,760 --> 01:02:19,280 Speaker 1: because I'm like, man, this is Bobby Brown and New Edition. 1108 01:02:19,760 --> 01:02:22,120 Speaker 1: And then I had to say and I'm I'll be 1109 01:02:22,280 --> 01:02:25,840 Speaker 1: sure because I had to keep saying it to myself 1110 01:02:25,920 --> 01:02:28,440 Speaker 1: again in again, because I didn't believe it, so so 1111 01:02:28,640 --> 01:02:30,960 Speaker 1: so literally, so I had to psych myself up because 1112 01:02:31,080 --> 01:02:34,040 Speaker 1: I'm seeing imagine, I'm like again, I'm coming from the 1113 01:02:34,120 --> 01:02:37,680 Speaker 1: studio apartment, singing in the mirror trying to rehearst to 1114 01:02:37,760 --> 01:02:41,720 Speaker 1: it or whatever. And Madison Square Garden four nights in 1115 01:02:41,760 --> 01:02:46,040 Speaker 1: a row, twenty five thousand people. I'm scared to death, 1116 01:02:46,240 --> 01:02:49,200 Speaker 1: to be honest with you, But but I'm an autopilot 1117 01:02:49,560 --> 01:02:51,880 Speaker 1: because this is what I've always wanted to do. So 1118 01:02:52,400 --> 01:02:54,400 Speaker 1: my philosophy now is when I talk to these young 1119 01:02:54,440 --> 01:02:55,880 Speaker 1: people that said, look, if you want to get by 1120 01:02:55,920 --> 01:02:58,080 Speaker 1: the train, you gotta be on the train tracks. And 1121 01:02:58,200 --> 01:02:59,880 Speaker 1: if you stay ready, you don't have to get ready, 1122 01:03:00,400 --> 01:03:02,720 Speaker 1: so that's all I did was rehearsing, rehearsing, rehearsal that. 1123 01:03:02,840 --> 01:03:06,640 Speaker 1: Mind you, I wasn't Luther Andrews or even Johnny Gail 1124 01:03:06,800 --> 01:03:09,280 Speaker 1: or you know I was, or Stevie Wonder. So I 1125 01:03:09,400 --> 01:03:11,400 Speaker 1: was more of a stylist in terms of, you know, 1126 01:03:11,640 --> 01:03:15,360 Speaker 1: strong structure and melody because Keith, everything is because something 1127 01:03:15,440 --> 01:03:18,400 Speaker 1: Quincy said to me many years ago that I always stuck. 1128 01:03:18,480 --> 01:03:22,480 Speaker 1: And then when I when I'm creating, UM, melody is 1129 01:03:22,600 --> 01:03:26,080 Speaker 1: something that doesn't have a science or a technique to it. 1130 01:03:26,200 --> 01:03:28,600 Speaker 1: It comes straight from God's mouth to your ears, and 1131 01:03:29,360 --> 01:03:33,800 Speaker 1: so it's a there's a philosophy behind it that's not UM. 1132 01:03:34,280 --> 01:03:40,520 Speaker 1: Can you repeat that again? That was melody is something 1133 01:03:40,600 --> 01:03:43,000 Speaker 1: that doesn't have a science or a technique to it. 1134 01:03:43,360 --> 01:03:46,840 Speaker 1: It comes straight from from God to your ears and 1135 01:03:46,960 --> 01:03:50,920 Speaker 1: through your lips, and you know, And I've always remembered that. 1136 01:03:51,000 --> 01:03:53,160 Speaker 1: So that's why everything, if you listen to any of 1137 01:03:53,200 --> 01:03:56,080 Speaker 1: the songs I've ever done, I've never focused on a 1138 01:03:56,160 --> 01:03:58,800 Speaker 1: commercial hit per se. But I've focused on trying to 1139 01:03:58,880 --> 01:04:03,000 Speaker 1: make a four minute movie. The peaks and valleys, the excitement, 1140 01:04:03,120 --> 01:04:06,680 Speaker 1: the sadness, the happiness I tried to encompass every emotion, 1141 01:04:07,000 --> 01:04:09,760 Speaker 1: even like when I was working on Joe to see 1142 01:04:10,520 --> 01:04:12,479 Speaker 1: jow to see what I would do is I made 1143 01:04:12,520 --> 01:04:15,280 Speaker 1: them sing. That's why if you listened to the first album, 1144 01:04:16,640 --> 01:04:19,200 Speaker 1: I recorded an engineered the whole first album along with 1145 01:04:19,320 --> 01:04:21,440 Speaker 1: the guys and along with Mikozowski and maybe two of 1146 01:04:21,480 --> 01:04:25,520 Speaker 1: the other other engineers, but handcrafted that entire you know, 1147 01:04:25,680 --> 01:04:28,480 Speaker 1: that was that was my question, you would understand this 1148 01:04:28,640 --> 01:04:35,680 Speaker 1: and producing a project like besides maybe an effect mode, um, 1149 01:04:35,880 --> 01:04:37,640 Speaker 1: you know, along with the help of Teddy Riley and 1150 01:04:37,720 --> 01:04:40,920 Speaker 1: and just and you know, Eddie and just the conglomerate 1151 01:04:40,960 --> 01:04:44,480 Speaker 1: of our little click. Um, that was my thriller. So 1152 01:04:44,640 --> 01:04:48,840 Speaker 1: every every producer has that, you know, right right? Yeah, 1153 01:04:48,880 --> 01:04:50,840 Speaker 1: so you know people don't realize. Yeah, you know I 1154 01:04:50,880 --> 01:04:55,440 Speaker 1: wrote for my lady, right my lady, and you know 1155 01:04:55,560 --> 01:04:57,960 Speaker 1: part of come and talk to Me Stay all if 1156 01:04:58,000 --> 01:04:59,760 Speaker 1: you listen to Stay Stay is just a slow version 1157 01:04:59,760 --> 01:05:05,440 Speaker 1: of that day. So um oh ship. Yeah. So what 1158 01:05:05,560 --> 01:05:09,560 Speaker 1: happened was what happened was how that came about? Um. 1159 01:05:09,680 --> 01:05:13,040 Speaker 1: I was on tour on the Any Heartbreak tour where 1160 01:05:13,240 --> 01:05:16,240 Speaker 1: obviously when you know, people don't realize. Also, Charlie Mack 1161 01:05:16,280 --> 01:05:18,080 Speaker 1: picks you out to Charlie. Charlie mac was actually the 1162 01:05:18,240 --> 01:05:21,520 Speaker 1: founder of Boys and Men. Michael got him on tour 1163 01:05:22,560 --> 01:05:26,080 Speaker 1: and um, you know, it was that type of thing. 1164 01:05:26,120 --> 01:05:27,959 Speaker 1: But I was so busy being I'll be showing tour 1165 01:05:28,400 --> 01:05:33,360 Speaker 1: that I ran into them, I think even the Carolinas 1166 01:05:33,400 --> 01:05:36,240 Speaker 1: or Virginia. They came, and they came, and at that point, 1167 01:05:36,400 --> 01:05:38,880 Speaker 1: my security guards were big Weston showed shoot night, so 1168 01:05:39,200 --> 01:05:51,000 Speaker 1: they were my security guys, hang on what so. So yeah, 1169 01:05:51,000 --> 01:05:55,640 Speaker 1: so we went around. That's a little brother he basically 1170 01:05:55,760 --> 01:05:59,240 Speaker 1: he you know, we went around the world together. Um. 1171 01:05:59,600 --> 01:06:04,000 Speaker 1: And and so they came and they said they sang 1172 01:06:04,080 --> 01:06:06,160 Speaker 1: for me. Um. I think it was some hotel may 1173 01:06:06,160 --> 01:06:07,640 Speaker 1: it was. The thing was Virginia because we had already 1174 01:06:07,640 --> 01:06:10,760 Speaker 1: gone through Charlotte at that point in Greensboro whatever, and 1175 01:06:11,480 --> 01:06:13,400 Speaker 1: so I sent them to go to New York. So 1176 01:06:13,480 --> 01:06:15,919 Speaker 1: they got in a little white car and no money 1177 01:06:16,000 --> 01:06:18,520 Speaker 1: and I just got, you know, Andre, yo, these cats. 1178 01:06:19,160 --> 01:06:22,640 Speaker 1: And then I went on BT, as told Donny, and 1179 01:06:23,440 --> 01:06:25,080 Speaker 1: I'll send you that clip as well, so y'all have it. 1180 01:06:25,280 --> 01:06:27,800 Speaker 1: But we went on and I started telling I said, Jealousie, 1181 01:06:27,800 --> 01:06:29,880 Speaker 1: and he was like, who I said? Jealous I said, 1182 01:06:29,960 --> 01:06:32,320 Speaker 1: was a combination and the fellow's names Joe, Joe, DeVante, 1183 01:06:32,440 --> 01:06:35,960 Speaker 1: Casey and Dalvin, you know, and he's like Joe Doze like, 1184 01:06:36,200 --> 01:06:39,840 Speaker 1: you know, so I remember that, And so when people forget, 1185 01:06:40,280 --> 01:06:43,480 Speaker 1: I think it's called there's a disease called selective amnesia. 1186 01:06:44,400 --> 01:06:47,840 Speaker 1: Oh those people think, you know sometimes No, no, no, no, 1187 01:06:47,920 --> 01:06:49,720 Speaker 1: I'm not saying necessarily group er say, but just you 1188 01:06:49,760 --> 01:06:54,720 Speaker 1: know the point is that now I'm enjoying the aspect 1189 01:06:54,800 --> 01:06:57,640 Speaker 1: of reveal at this point in my life, at fifty 1190 01:06:57,720 --> 01:06:59,920 Speaker 1: years old, where you know, I'm so interested in now 1191 01:07:00,040 --> 01:07:02,280 Speaker 1: finally telling because I know where all the bodies are buried. 1192 01:07:03,280 --> 01:07:07,080 Speaker 1: We was me myself, you know, Andre, Eddie, f Teddy, 1193 01:07:07,240 --> 01:07:10,280 Speaker 1: like you know that core group. You know, I don't 1194 01:07:10,280 --> 01:07:13,120 Speaker 1: want to leave anyone out because it was so everybody, 1195 01:07:13,200 --> 01:07:16,360 Speaker 1: Dave holl you know, it's so significant, um, the producers 1196 01:07:16,400 --> 01:07:18,000 Speaker 1: and so and so forth, and it was like a 1197 01:07:18,080 --> 01:07:23,000 Speaker 1: boutique version of Motown, can you yeah? Yeah? And the 1198 01:07:23,160 --> 01:07:25,720 Speaker 1: ll ll Hodge you know that he that's him on 1199 01:07:25,840 --> 01:07:28,840 Speaker 1: somebody for me, he was an incredible in fact Novelle Hodge, 1200 01:07:30,320 --> 01:07:32,440 Speaker 1: myself and this girl named Lisa Lewis were in a 1201 01:07:32,600 --> 01:07:35,200 Speaker 1: singing group before the whole heavy d thing. This is 1202 01:07:35,240 --> 01:07:37,480 Speaker 1: back in ninth grade and tenth grade, so he was 1203 01:07:37,520 --> 01:07:39,560 Speaker 1: the keyboard playing. That was a songwriting and singing, and 1204 01:07:39,880 --> 01:07:42,160 Speaker 1: Lisa it was a singer as well. Can you can 1205 01:07:42,200 --> 01:07:44,240 Speaker 1: you talk a little bit too about like Christopher Williams, 1206 01:07:44,280 --> 01:07:46,280 Speaker 1: because I just remember it was a time when y'all 1207 01:07:46,520 --> 01:07:48,720 Speaker 1: seemed to be having a certain relationship and since it 1208 01:07:48,840 --> 01:07:50,480 Speaker 1: was the whole Uptown thing, and I remember seeing y'all 1209 01:07:50,480 --> 01:07:53,760 Speaker 1: together in the crucis that happened when that would happen 1210 01:07:53,840 --> 01:07:59,200 Speaker 1: as well? Yeah, Christopher. In fact, we just finished filming 1211 01:07:59,360 --> 01:08:03,480 Speaker 1: his unsunged. Oh wow, And there's a reveal on the 1212 01:08:03,600 --> 01:08:13,760 Speaker 1: show about because everybody as LaToya Michael um, Yeah, just 1213 01:08:13,880 --> 01:08:18,360 Speaker 1: too lightsning curly here opposite because Chris is like, you know, 1214 01:08:18,600 --> 01:08:20,479 Speaker 1: he always said that you were like you said you 1215 01:08:20,479 --> 01:08:21,960 Speaker 1: would into your art. He was like, I would have 1216 01:08:22,000 --> 01:08:23,320 Speaker 1: his tea, he'd be ready. He was like, I would 1217 01:08:23,320 --> 01:08:28,679 Speaker 1: just go smoke a blondie rady. But but again that's 1218 01:08:28,720 --> 01:08:31,640 Speaker 1: only because that cat can sing a parking ticket. Like 1219 01:08:31,800 --> 01:08:34,920 Speaker 1: to this day, I don't care what he does. He can. 1220 01:08:35,360 --> 01:08:37,280 Speaker 1: He's just one of those really gifted singers with that 1221 01:08:37,360 --> 01:08:41,120 Speaker 1: big old Luther andels Teddy Pendergrass type of voice. Um, 1222 01:08:41,560 --> 01:08:43,439 Speaker 1: and I had to work a little harder. But but 1223 01:08:43,720 --> 01:08:46,720 Speaker 1: but the point was is that the biggest mistake, and 1224 01:08:46,800 --> 01:08:48,799 Speaker 1: I think I talked about this in Unsung, the biggest 1225 01:08:48,840 --> 01:08:54,360 Speaker 1: mistake that they made with Christopher because he was so talented, 1226 01:08:56,040 --> 01:08:59,840 Speaker 1: his team is ancillary team. I guess I don't even 1227 01:08:59,840 --> 01:09:02,040 Speaker 1: want on the uptown side of it. Instead of them 1228 01:09:02,200 --> 01:09:08,280 Speaker 1: trying to chase and knockdown I'll be Sure, which was already, Um, 1229 01:09:09,800 --> 01:09:11,920 Speaker 1: you know, it's a big bulldozer, like you're not gonna 1230 01:09:12,000 --> 01:09:14,639 Speaker 1: stop that. You're not gonna stop that machine just because 1231 01:09:14,960 --> 01:09:18,120 Speaker 1: he has considered a bigger singer or you know, better 1232 01:09:18,200 --> 01:09:20,000 Speaker 1: vocalists and so and so. Whether you're not gonna stop 1233 01:09:20,040 --> 01:09:24,280 Speaker 1: the machine because it's the whole package. So focus and 1234 01:09:24,360 --> 01:09:26,240 Speaker 1: stay on his lane. And what they were trying to 1235 01:09:26,320 --> 01:09:28,840 Speaker 1: do was trying to like that. Even the album covers that, 1236 01:09:28,960 --> 01:09:32,439 Speaker 1: duplicating my private times like and it's like for him 1237 01:09:32,840 --> 01:09:35,120 Speaker 1: like and and and it was like, okay, how do 1238 01:09:35,200 --> 01:09:38,400 Speaker 1: we how do we bulldoze over I'll be Sure? Instead 1239 01:09:38,439 --> 01:09:41,880 Speaker 1: of you know, let's just like I'm maybe it's just 1240 01:09:41,960 --> 01:09:44,400 Speaker 1: the old school of me. If I see somebody that 1241 01:09:44,560 --> 01:09:48,040 Speaker 1: maybe competition I'm gonna approach you, and I'm gon say, 1242 01:09:48,040 --> 01:09:51,320 Speaker 1: how can we get some money together? I'm not going Yeah, 1243 01:09:51,360 --> 01:09:53,840 Speaker 1: come on, two heads are better than one. Let's you 1244 01:09:53,880 --> 01:09:56,840 Speaker 1: know so. And I was a Christopher fan and that's 1245 01:09:56,880 --> 01:09:58,519 Speaker 1: my man, fifty grand, you know what I'm saying. So 1246 01:09:58,640 --> 01:10:00,160 Speaker 1: you know he's from the co op. You know I'm 1247 01:10:00,160 --> 01:10:02,400 Speaker 1: from Mount Vernon. You know. We we rocked together, you 1248 01:10:02,439 --> 01:10:05,560 Speaker 1: know we and what we did. We did have a 1249 01:10:06,040 --> 01:10:09,320 Speaker 1: major discrepancy at one point because I took the heat 1250 01:10:09,400 --> 01:10:12,360 Speaker 1: for something that that was real, real major right after 1251 01:10:12,439 --> 01:10:14,400 Speaker 1: one of the American Musical Well for Best New Artists, 1252 01:10:14,680 --> 01:10:16,519 Speaker 1: and I took the heat for something. And you know, 1253 01:10:16,600 --> 01:10:18,840 Speaker 1: being a cap on in the street, you know, you 1254 01:10:18,920 --> 01:10:20,880 Speaker 1: don't tell you just you just roll with it and 1255 01:10:20,960 --> 01:10:22,560 Speaker 1: you just deal with it. So finally I think we 1256 01:10:22,840 --> 01:10:25,479 Speaker 1: he and I talked about it and uh, but they 1257 01:10:25,479 --> 01:10:33,200 Speaker 1: asked me about it on that was the reveal on. Yeah, yeah, 1258 01:10:34,479 --> 01:10:36,680 Speaker 1: I want to push it along a little bit. This 1259 01:10:36,760 --> 01:10:43,640 Speaker 1: is a question I always wanted to know. Well, actually, no, 1260 01:10:43,840 --> 01:10:46,880 Speaker 1: you already set an emotion that your your palate was 1261 01:10:46,920 --> 01:10:50,960 Speaker 1: wide open for different types of genres. I always wanted 1262 01:10:51,000 --> 01:10:56,840 Speaker 1: to know, was it Benny Medina's idea for you to 1263 01:10:56,960 --> 01:11:04,920 Speaker 1: do Hotel California. No idea. Yeah, he already revealed that. Yeah. 1264 01:11:05,040 --> 01:11:07,400 Speaker 1: So I was riding my bike around the neighborhood and 1265 01:11:07,920 --> 01:11:10,720 Speaker 1: this kid next door, so I had this little it 1266 01:11:10,800 --> 01:11:13,320 Speaker 1: was like the little rascals. So my little neighborhood it was, 1267 01:11:13,479 --> 01:11:15,880 Speaker 1: you know, I was. I was the black kid. I 1268 01:11:15,960 --> 01:11:18,400 Speaker 1: had these two twins named Darmish and Nimish. They were 1269 01:11:18,439 --> 01:11:20,400 Speaker 1: the Indian kids. And this kid named Anthony was an 1270 01:11:20,439 --> 01:11:22,960 Speaker 1: Italian kid, and Brendan Pheley was the Irish kid. And 1271 01:11:23,000 --> 01:11:24,280 Speaker 1: we used to all ride a bike together. So it 1272 01:11:24,400 --> 01:11:28,080 Speaker 1: was like a little melting pot. And this was actually 1273 01:11:28,080 --> 01:11:31,640 Speaker 1: in Jersey when I was younger, younger, and you know, 1274 01:11:31,680 --> 01:11:33,920 Speaker 1: we would stick the radio on the window and we 1275 01:11:33,960 --> 01:11:36,639 Speaker 1: would play, just play those songs. And then he used 1276 01:11:36,680 --> 01:11:38,719 Speaker 1: to scare us. This kid used to scare us about 1277 01:11:38,760 --> 01:11:41,080 Speaker 1: the Hotel California song and says, you know this is 1278 01:11:41,120 --> 01:11:46,479 Speaker 1: about drugs and a spooky song as kids. But but 1279 01:11:46,600 --> 01:11:50,800 Speaker 1: I always remember the song, and then, um, it was 1280 01:11:50,920 --> 01:11:52,479 Speaker 1: just one of the songs I remember, so I just 1281 01:11:52,520 --> 01:11:54,720 Speaker 1: wanted to remake it. In fact, no, the reason I 1282 01:11:54,880 --> 01:11:58,640 Speaker 1: remade I think it was no. I remember I think 1283 01:11:58,680 --> 01:12:00,920 Speaker 1: it was killing Me Softly, the and everything Killing Me 1284 01:12:01,000 --> 01:12:03,719 Speaker 1: Softly song. That's because I was trying to do natural 1285 01:12:03,840 --> 01:12:09,920 Speaker 1: high and I didn't understand the lyrics Bloodstone and I 1286 01:12:10,000 --> 01:12:12,360 Speaker 1: didn't understand the lyrics, so we just scrapped it and said, 1287 01:12:12,439 --> 01:12:14,479 Speaker 1: let's do Killing Me Softly. That is one day, this 1288 01:12:15,479 --> 01:12:18,960 Speaker 1: random and so in effect mode that was just that 1289 01:12:19,080 --> 01:12:21,000 Speaker 1: was you and Kyle. That's just you and Kyle guy. 1290 01:12:21,360 --> 01:12:24,320 Speaker 1: It's me and Kyle, but but myself as a collaborative 1291 01:12:24,360 --> 01:12:27,160 Speaker 1: effort of myself, Kyle and Teddy Riley as well. And 1292 01:12:27,360 --> 01:12:30,240 Speaker 1: and how can he wasn't listened as producer. I know 1293 01:12:30,320 --> 01:12:33,800 Speaker 1: that he was listed as Yeah, he mixed and he 1294 01:12:33,880 --> 01:12:36,040 Speaker 1: played like instruments, right, he plays him his right because 1295 01:12:36,040 --> 01:12:38,200 Speaker 1: he didn't necessarily bright because what we did was it 1296 01:12:38,360 --> 01:12:42,240 Speaker 1: was more Teddy under Teddy's tutelage. And I was worked 1297 01:12:42,240 --> 01:12:44,559 Speaker 1: with him so much to the point where they sounded 1298 01:12:44,680 --> 01:12:48,600 Speaker 1: like Teddy Riley records. So where But even from a 1299 01:12:48,640 --> 01:12:51,720 Speaker 1: marketing standpoint, like Andre wasn't like yo, his name well 1300 01:12:52,200 --> 01:12:55,080 Speaker 1: it was eighty seven, so he wasn't rightly proven yet, right, 1301 01:12:55,120 --> 01:12:57,120 Speaker 1: he wasn't at all. And what happened was it was 1302 01:12:57,200 --> 01:13:01,320 Speaker 1: also more of a Teddy and Jean Griffin and I'll 1303 01:13:01,360 --> 01:13:06,760 Speaker 1: be sure Andre Herrell forget right. So but but again, 1304 01:13:06,880 --> 01:13:09,600 Speaker 1: but Teddy was just Teddy was everything, Like just to 1305 01:13:10,200 --> 01:13:13,479 Speaker 1: be around him and his creativity and and just being 1306 01:13:13,560 --> 01:13:15,840 Speaker 1: under the tutelage. I mean, I'll be forever grateful because 1307 01:13:17,080 --> 01:13:21,200 Speaker 1: it's just something about that cat's rhythm that it's just 1308 01:13:21,840 --> 01:13:25,200 Speaker 1: unlike any other um and just learning that style and 1309 01:13:25,960 --> 01:13:29,760 Speaker 1: um that lends itself to so much UM. So, like 1310 01:13:29,840 --> 01:13:31,720 Speaker 1: I said, I was, and this is what I was 1311 01:13:31,760 --> 01:13:36,040 Speaker 1: saying before. So Teddy was the creative new Jack swing 1312 01:13:36,880 --> 01:13:40,719 Speaker 1: phrase coined by Barry Michael Cooper, the Great Barry Michael Cooper, 1313 01:13:41,600 --> 01:13:44,560 Speaker 1: and we did a derivative of it. So Eddie f 1314 01:13:44,720 --> 01:13:46,240 Speaker 1: did his version of it, kind of like with the 1315 01:13:46,320 --> 01:13:49,719 Speaker 1: Daniel Jones stuff, which is actually that's actually Kyle West Also, 1316 01:13:50,600 --> 01:13:56,439 Speaker 1: oh say what say? Was? That's why I sound like 1317 01:13:56,520 --> 01:14:00,519 Speaker 1: Stevie Wonder because Kyle's basically Stevie Wonder. So okay, So 1318 01:14:00,640 --> 01:14:03,840 Speaker 1: Kyle what did he played? Plays keys? Plays keys, but 1319 01:14:03,960 --> 01:14:07,720 Speaker 1: just brilliantly like his coloring and his is progression, it's 1320 01:14:07,760 --> 01:14:10,200 Speaker 1: just something else. It's like he's extraterrest. Did you guys 1321 01:14:10,280 --> 01:14:12,200 Speaker 1: have anything to do or were you around for the 1322 01:14:12,240 --> 01:14:18,280 Speaker 1: making of the intro album the first with Kenny Green? Yeah, okay, right, 1323 01:14:18,320 --> 01:14:20,439 Speaker 1: but again you see the signature. It's that all that 1324 01:14:20,560 --> 01:14:22,720 Speaker 1: eight away kid, that rolling eight away stuff in the 1325 01:14:22,960 --> 01:14:25,120 Speaker 1: D fifty and a D seventy, you know, it's it's 1326 01:14:25,160 --> 01:14:27,000 Speaker 1: that kind of in the Juno one oh six, that 1327 01:14:27,120 --> 01:14:29,720 Speaker 1: all analogy t x A D one z with the 1328 01:14:29,760 --> 01:14:36,760 Speaker 1: bouncing bass and um but just none of that was 1329 01:14:36,880 --> 01:14:39,719 Speaker 1: on d X seven at all. Yeah. I was trying 1330 01:14:39,720 --> 01:14:42,040 Speaker 1: to figure out what was your weapon of choice as 1331 01:14:42,040 --> 01:14:47,200 Speaker 1: far as keyboards for like Nilon, Atmosphere, future pad, you 1332 01:14:47,280 --> 01:14:51,080 Speaker 1: know all that. And what's crazy is as much as 1333 01:14:51,240 --> 01:14:54,360 Speaker 1: we called it R and B, it was more ambient 1334 01:14:54,560 --> 01:14:56,920 Speaker 1: R and B than anything else because I loved voices. 1335 01:14:57,520 --> 01:15:01,400 Speaker 1: Oh right, what oh? This all the oldest love is 1336 01:15:01,439 --> 01:15:04,840 Speaker 1: so Quincy coined. Though the progression from this love is 1337 01:15:04,920 --> 01:15:08,479 Speaker 1: so the French blues. So that's all that progression is 1338 01:15:08,640 --> 01:15:11,600 Speaker 1: called the French blues now, mind you that the genre now, 1339 01:15:11,680 --> 01:15:14,439 Speaker 1: and this is something that I'm about to launch at 1340 01:15:14,479 --> 01:15:18,920 Speaker 1: Albi show dot net, which is gonna be um the 1341 01:15:20,760 --> 01:15:23,920 Speaker 1: the the derivative of what New Jack Swing represented because Teddy, 1342 01:15:23,960 --> 01:15:25,200 Speaker 1: like I said, as the King of New Jack Swing, 1343 01:15:25,240 --> 01:15:27,560 Speaker 1: and the inventor, Eddie had his version of it, and 1344 01:15:27,640 --> 01:15:30,559 Speaker 1: then Kyle and I had another version of it, which 1345 01:15:30,640 --> 01:15:35,240 Speaker 1: now we coin New Jack Sexy. So it's new Jack Swing, 1346 01:15:35,320 --> 01:15:37,880 Speaker 1: which is Teddy, Kyle and I New Jack Sexy, and 1347 01:15:38,080 --> 01:15:40,880 Speaker 1: Eddie is like kind of you know, like his version, 1348 01:15:40,920 --> 01:15:43,280 Speaker 1: but Eddie had a real slick you know, production as well. 1349 01:15:43,360 --> 01:15:47,040 Speaker 1: It's like, it's just it was a great launching pad 1350 01:15:47,160 --> 01:15:50,439 Speaker 1: in terms of bringing the streets to Wall Street. How 1351 01:15:50,520 --> 01:15:52,840 Speaker 1: long did it take you out to record in effect? 1352 01:15:54,439 --> 01:15:59,840 Speaker 1: M hmmm, I want to say maybe three months, three 1353 01:15:59,880 --> 01:16:03,040 Speaker 1: my or so. Um. And it only sped up because 1354 01:16:03,080 --> 01:16:06,200 Speaker 1: after sitting around Teddy for so long, Teddy would do 1355 01:16:06,320 --> 01:16:10,479 Speaker 1: records in twelve minutes. Teddy would do a record bridge 1356 01:16:10,600 --> 01:16:13,040 Speaker 1: chorus and he said, okay, go ahead to get depending 1357 01:16:13,120 --> 01:16:15,120 Speaker 1: and right, and then you know Timmy Gatlin and so 1358 01:16:15,960 --> 01:16:18,720 Speaker 1: absolutely I was gonna do you ever think that there 1359 01:16:18,720 --> 01:16:20,080 Speaker 1: will be I mean, I'm not going to ask the 1360 01:16:20,120 --> 01:16:23,840 Speaker 1: obvious concert question, but it is the time of reuniting. 1361 01:16:24,160 --> 01:16:26,720 Speaker 1: Do you think there would be a project, a documentary, 1362 01:16:26,880 --> 01:16:30,000 Speaker 1: a something that will bring these people back together like 1363 01:16:30,240 --> 01:16:33,080 Speaker 1: the whole New Jack Swing moment movement. I think probably 1364 01:16:33,360 --> 01:16:36,400 Speaker 1: the most important outside of you know, selfishly me wanting 1365 01:16:36,439 --> 01:16:40,000 Speaker 1: to do the I'll be short story, um, because that 1366 01:16:40,200 --> 01:16:45,599 Speaker 1: encompasses so much more than just um. I'll be sure 1367 01:16:46,240 --> 01:16:48,400 Speaker 1: because I've been involved with so many you knows, like 1368 01:16:48,479 --> 01:16:50,519 Speaker 1: yourself like questions, like it's been involved with working with 1369 01:16:50,640 --> 01:16:55,240 Speaker 1: so many different artists from different genres. Um. But probably 1370 01:16:55,280 --> 01:16:58,000 Speaker 1: the most important story. And I like I like the 1371 01:16:58,439 --> 01:17:01,560 Speaker 1: the introduction of what inside the label was for on 1372 01:17:01,720 --> 01:17:03,679 Speaker 1: BT because it kind of gave you a little taste 1373 01:17:03,720 --> 01:17:07,040 Speaker 1: of you know, Rockefeller Uptown, you know, so so deaf, 1374 01:17:07,120 --> 01:17:09,040 Speaker 1: you know, just a little bit of everybody. But the 1375 01:17:09,240 --> 01:17:16,679 Speaker 1: most important modern day story, I believe it's the Uptown story. Yeah, 1376 01:17:17,560 --> 01:17:19,320 Speaker 1: and and and and I don't know if you saw 1377 01:17:19,400 --> 01:17:20,920 Speaker 1: this recently in the press because you know, like I said, 1378 01:17:20,920 --> 01:17:22,320 Speaker 1: I try to stay out the out of the mix. 1379 01:17:22,400 --> 01:17:24,920 Speaker 1: And you know, those relates to controversy stuff because that 1380 01:17:25,960 --> 01:17:27,720 Speaker 1: in the dollar fIF ticket to downtown on the train. 1381 01:17:28,720 --> 01:17:33,360 Speaker 1: But but but like you know, when I would hear, 1382 01:17:33,760 --> 01:17:35,320 Speaker 1: you know, the Fellows would talk to me about them 1383 01:17:35,400 --> 01:17:39,000 Speaker 1: doing the Jodice story, and so apparently that's been going 1384 01:17:39,040 --> 01:17:40,640 Speaker 1: on for the last three or four years. And I 1385 01:17:40,640 --> 01:17:42,240 Speaker 1: don't know if the fellas are green. You know, I'm 1386 01:17:42,280 --> 01:17:44,680 Speaker 1: not sure what the politics are about it, but I 1387 01:17:44,800 --> 01:17:47,400 Speaker 1: did make a statement and say, because it's interesting how 1388 01:17:47,960 --> 01:17:49,840 Speaker 1: some deal has been made for them to make this 1389 01:17:50,000 --> 01:17:55,040 Speaker 1: story and no one has contacted I'll be sure about 1390 01:17:55,080 --> 01:17:57,400 Speaker 1: the story now, mind you. And that's just my new 1391 01:17:57,560 --> 01:18:01,679 Speaker 1: version of me because normal, because normally I just let's 1392 01:18:01,960 --> 01:18:05,000 Speaker 1: tell the story. Let's it's cool. I'm glad you. So 1393 01:18:05,080 --> 01:18:07,559 Speaker 1: what was so with you being so involved in Forever, 1394 01:18:07,680 --> 01:18:11,320 Speaker 1: my lady? What was DeVante's? Oh No, DeVante is brilliant. 1395 01:18:11,400 --> 01:18:14,639 Speaker 1: Let me tell that cat. He's he's the second coming 1396 01:18:14,680 --> 01:18:17,080 Speaker 1: to Teddy Riley for lack of better terms, but meaning 1397 01:18:17,160 --> 01:18:21,200 Speaker 1: for DeVante was an extremely talented musician that played several instruments. 1398 01:18:21,520 --> 01:18:23,639 Speaker 1: He's another one with that rhythm that you can't teach. 1399 01:18:24,400 --> 01:18:26,479 Speaker 1: It's it's all part of his DNA and his spirit 1400 01:18:26,520 --> 01:18:29,960 Speaker 1: and he's incredible. Um and at that point, all of 1401 01:18:30,040 --> 01:18:32,560 Speaker 1: my demo singers. Let's let's go back to how the 1402 01:18:32,640 --> 01:18:39,640 Speaker 1: Jodie things started. So we are on tour. One thing, 1403 01:18:39,720 --> 01:18:42,960 Speaker 1: that's another. They get to uptown. They as soon as 1404 01:18:42,960 --> 01:18:45,040 Speaker 1: they get it off, as they get signed, Bob Celeston 1405 01:18:45,120 --> 01:18:48,479 Speaker 1: and Andre and Jimmy Love and that whole uptown office. 1406 01:18:48,720 --> 01:18:51,840 Speaker 1: Um boom they do. They go to do the album, 1407 01:18:51,880 --> 01:18:54,439 Speaker 1: they work on stuff, they start singing to different different 1408 01:18:54,479 --> 01:18:58,680 Speaker 1: songs and doing stuff. Right. But Casey and Joe Joe 1409 01:18:58,880 --> 01:19:01,680 Speaker 1: were my demo singers. So the reason why Usher and 1410 01:19:01,800 --> 01:19:05,000 Speaker 1: why why Kevin Campbell? All that stuff sounded so crazy 1411 01:19:05,080 --> 01:19:08,320 Speaker 1: because my demo singers get this. This everybody's either living 1412 01:19:08,400 --> 01:19:10,360 Speaker 1: my house or with my demo singers a word, So 1413 01:19:10,479 --> 01:19:14,719 Speaker 1: I had in one house Casey Joe, Joe, Dave Hollister, 1414 01:19:15,000 --> 01:19:26,960 Speaker 1: Faith Evans, Mon case Um, Anthony, Anthony Hamilton's I had 1415 01:19:27,280 --> 01:19:34,360 Speaker 1: had to come to some respect on this one. That's 1416 01:19:34,400 --> 01:19:37,960 Speaker 1: really what's really nice. In fact, big shout out congratulations 1417 01:19:38,040 --> 01:19:40,360 Speaker 1: to my little sister so In Faith and Stevie j 1418 01:19:40,600 --> 01:19:44,400 Speaker 1: so Um they met at my house because everybody ever 1419 01:19:44,760 --> 01:19:48,200 Speaker 1: in Kimora Camara, least Simmons, like every like oh did 1420 01:19:48,240 --> 01:19:53,519 Speaker 1: I say that? No, not in a disrespectful way. She 1421 01:19:53,800 --> 01:19:57,200 Speaker 1: was just she was another one who was going to 1422 01:19:57,400 --> 01:19:59,360 Speaker 1: figure it out. Like she was that you know, she 1423 01:19:59,479 --> 01:20:01,679 Speaker 1: was friends, you know, she dated you know, a family 1424 01:20:01,760 --> 01:20:03,640 Speaker 1: members so on and support. But she was around in 1425 01:20:03,680 --> 01:20:05,920 Speaker 1: the mix all the time. But she was you could 1426 01:20:05,960 --> 01:20:08,679 Speaker 1: just tell she just she's going to be something special, 1427 01:20:08,840 --> 01:20:11,920 Speaker 1: like she's creative and all those things. Obviously she's gorgeous, 1428 01:20:11,920 --> 01:20:14,560 Speaker 1: beautiful lady the whole thing where she and right, so 1429 01:20:14,760 --> 01:20:16,400 Speaker 1: she you know, she turned it into something. So I'm 1430 01:20:16,439 --> 01:20:18,720 Speaker 1: really really, oh absolute gorgeous and I'm very proud of 1431 01:20:18,840 --> 01:20:21,320 Speaker 1: to see where you know, where she's taking it. Uh 1432 01:20:22,160 --> 01:20:26,120 Speaker 1: But yeah, so every everyone and more. And you know, 1433 01:20:26,160 --> 01:20:28,840 Speaker 1: like I said, Steve, so so I built I built 1434 01:20:28,880 --> 01:20:31,840 Speaker 1: an aid that studio up there with all those Mackie 1435 01:20:31,880 --> 01:20:33,560 Speaker 1: boards and stuff, and I've had it up. So we 1436 01:20:33,680 --> 01:20:38,880 Speaker 1: used to do short, short time recordings. That's so so 1437 01:20:39,479 --> 01:20:41,759 Speaker 1: and it was so much fun. So you had Martin Lawrence, 1438 01:20:41,800 --> 01:20:44,400 Speaker 1: you had Chris Rock because I gave Chris's first job. 1439 01:20:44,640 --> 01:20:47,840 Speaker 1: Chris used to open up for me on tour. So yeah, 1440 01:20:47,880 --> 01:20:51,639 Speaker 1: I forgot to ask, we we gotta ask? Is Chris mentioned? 1441 01:20:52,360 --> 01:20:56,400 Speaker 1: All right? So Chris has this hilarious story about the 1442 01:20:56,479 --> 01:21:00,600 Speaker 1: first time that Bobby gave you a cop be of 1443 01:21:01,280 --> 01:21:05,560 Speaker 1: Don't Be Cruel the album and he says, like it 1444 01:21:05,720 --> 01:21:10,599 Speaker 1: just froze you. Well, let me give Actually know who 1445 01:21:10,640 --> 01:21:14,519 Speaker 1: tells the story best is Tony Rock. He Tony tells 1446 01:21:14,560 --> 01:21:16,680 Speaker 1: me the story just recently again because he was in 1447 01:21:16,800 --> 01:21:18,760 Speaker 1: Vegas just recently. And so he says, he says, man, 1448 01:21:19,160 --> 01:21:22,080 Speaker 1: he says, I remember the first time, he says, you 1449 01:21:22,280 --> 01:21:25,200 Speaker 1: in the studio and my brother was with you. And 1450 01:21:26,240 --> 01:21:28,080 Speaker 1: you know, he didn't have a car, so you drove 1451 01:21:28,160 --> 01:21:30,880 Speaker 1: him to Brooklyn and your white M three you just 1452 01:21:30,920 --> 01:21:32,719 Speaker 1: got the white and faces. He drove Moley to Brooklyn, 1453 01:21:32,840 --> 01:21:35,680 Speaker 1: drove him home, and he came inside and was my mother. 1454 01:21:35,840 --> 01:21:38,160 Speaker 1: You know, they were sitting around whatever. He says. He says, Yo, 1455 01:21:38,960 --> 01:21:42,080 Speaker 1: I'll be sure to drop me off outside. And Tony 1456 01:21:42,160 --> 01:21:46,519 Speaker 1: was like, so he came out and he said, oh, ship, 1457 01:21:46,960 --> 01:21:49,360 Speaker 1: I'll be shut outside in the car with a car 1458 01:21:49,439 --> 01:21:54,599 Speaker 1: full of girls. You gotta hear Tony tell us that's 1459 01:21:54,640 --> 01:21:58,720 Speaker 1: the funniest sting. And it's so funny and uh and 1460 01:21:58,960 --> 01:22:03,440 Speaker 1: uh and then but Chris was something so special about Christopher. 1461 01:22:03,520 --> 01:22:06,559 Speaker 1: Chris was like, so he would open up. We were 1462 01:22:06,720 --> 01:22:08,200 Speaker 1: doing a small you know the hotel toll. You know, 1463 01:22:08,240 --> 01:22:10,000 Speaker 1: he start if you're doing a hotel to a little 1464 01:22:10,040 --> 01:22:13,040 Speaker 1: little ballroom and stuff like that, and Chris, uh, you know, 1465 01:22:13,160 --> 01:22:15,280 Speaker 1: Crystal coming there and just he just had this whole 1466 01:22:15,400 --> 01:22:19,240 Speaker 1: quirky like funny like this humor like it was just 1467 01:22:19,800 --> 01:22:22,000 Speaker 1: something organic from him that just was going to tell you, 1468 01:22:22,120 --> 01:22:25,560 Speaker 1: this cat is brilliant. He was like brilliant. So you know, 1469 01:22:26,080 --> 01:22:28,439 Speaker 1: we just loved him and uh, and it was just 1470 01:22:28,520 --> 01:22:30,760 Speaker 1: amazing just to watch this the culmination of just his 1471 01:22:30,960 --> 01:22:32,800 Speaker 1: his entire career just go through the roof. I mean 1472 01:22:32,920 --> 01:22:38,160 Speaker 1: just the massive global you know, you know, before the 1473 01:22:38,240 --> 01:22:41,160 Speaker 1: Kevin Harts and before you know that that that sort 1474 01:22:41,200 --> 01:22:44,639 Speaker 1: of you know, vehicle with without the social media aspect 1475 01:22:44,720 --> 01:22:46,880 Speaker 1: of behind it. You know, he was just just brilliant cat. 1476 01:22:47,400 --> 01:22:49,760 Speaker 1: And what's really nice is that I got so much 1477 01:22:49,840 --> 01:22:53,960 Speaker 1: love for Chris because number one, remember his first movie. 1478 01:22:54,000 --> 01:22:56,960 Speaker 1: You know, the first movie was The Strictly Business, right 1479 01:22:57,479 --> 01:23:04,800 Speaker 1: I think he did I'm I'm music was that's well, 1480 01:23:04,880 --> 01:23:08,479 Speaker 1: that's who the song Natalie's about. Yeah, because the fact 1481 01:23:08,479 --> 01:23:10,880 Speaker 1: that still have the tattoo, Hellie's tattoo of Mom. So 1482 01:23:13,280 --> 01:23:21,800 Speaker 1: I come to watch. Uh. That's part one of our 1483 01:23:21,880 --> 01:23:25,479 Speaker 1: episode with I'll be Showa. Uh. Just stay tuned for 1484 01:23:25,600 --> 01:23:28,800 Speaker 1: part two coming up next time. Quls Classic I'll be 1485 01:23:28,920 --> 01:23:34,400 Speaker 1: Sure crazier stories we promise see all of course Love Supreme. 1486 01:23:34,479 --> 01:23:37,719 Speaker 1: It's a production of I Heart Radio. This classic episode 1487 01:23:37,840 --> 01:23:43,959 Speaker 1: was produced by the team at Pandora. For more podcasts 1488 01:23:43,960 --> 01:23:46,360 Speaker 1: from my heart Radio, visit the I heart Radio app, 1489 01:23:46,600 --> 01:23:49,639 Speaker 1: Apple podcast, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.