1 00:00:11,320 --> 00:00:13,240 Speaker 1: All right, Brando Bing and I am rap Reports Stereo 2 00:00:13,360 --> 00:00:14,319 Speaker 1: podcast is here. 3 00:00:16,040 --> 00:00:16,239 Speaker 2: Ah. 4 00:00:16,400 --> 00:00:20,079 Speaker 3: This is not an easy podcast. This was not an 5 00:00:20,120 --> 00:00:23,919 Speaker 3: easy podcast to record. This is probably the toughest podcast 6 00:00:23,920 --> 00:00:27,120 Speaker 3: I've had to do, but I had to do it, 7 00:00:27,840 --> 00:00:31,480 Speaker 3: and the stories and the story needs to be told 8 00:00:31,600 --> 00:00:36,040 Speaker 3: and continue to be told. There is a young man 9 00:00:36,240 --> 00:00:44,279 Speaker 3: who's seventeen named oh Fear who was kidnapped from kibbutz Bari, 10 00:00:45,280 --> 00:00:47,479 Speaker 3: which has been in the news and discussed a lot. 11 00:00:47,960 --> 00:00:51,240 Speaker 3: On October seventh, he was visiting his girlfriend whose name. 12 00:00:51,120 --> 00:00:51,880 Speaker 1: Is Eval. 13 00:00:53,240 --> 00:00:59,040 Speaker 3: And her father you've all's father, Yoev. I hope I'm 14 00:00:59,040 --> 00:01:01,880 Speaker 3: not saying these names are, but I probably am. He 15 00:01:02,000 --> 00:01:07,759 Speaker 3: was also kidnapped, and oh Fear's aunt, Yaiel, is here 16 00:01:08,040 --> 00:01:10,520 Speaker 3: with me on the Iron Rapp Report Stereo podcast to 17 00:01:10,640 --> 00:01:18,200 Speaker 3: share his story, to share their story, to walk me 18 00:01:18,240 --> 00:01:21,520 Speaker 3: through everything that happened and everything they've been through and 19 00:01:21,680 --> 00:01:27,000 Speaker 3: everything that they've seen, heard and have been dealing with. 20 00:01:27,160 --> 00:01:33,039 Speaker 3: Since October seventh. You're probably listening to this sometime around Thanksgiving. 21 00:01:33,319 --> 00:01:39,880 Speaker 3: And trust me, this podcast really really really reminded me 22 00:01:39,959 --> 00:01:43,560 Speaker 3: of how many things I have to be thankful for 23 00:01:44,120 --> 00:01:48,920 Speaker 3: and things could always be way, way way worse anyway. 24 00:01:50,360 --> 00:01:54,840 Speaker 3: So here is Oh Fear's aunt, Yi Ll who is 25 00:01:54,880 --> 00:01:59,600 Speaker 3: in Jerusalem, joining me on the Iron Rapperport Stereo podcast. 26 00:02:00,240 --> 00:02:00,440 Speaker 1: Yeah. 27 00:02:00,640 --> 00:02:03,480 Speaker 3: I appreciate you taking the time to come talk to me. 28 00:02:03,760 --> 00:02:08,840 Speaker 3: I know that this is probably the hardest time of 29 00:02:08,919 --> 00:02:12,280 Speaker 3: your life and your family's life, But I appreciate. Am 30 00:02:12,280 --> 00:02:14,760 Speaker 3: I saying your name correctly? Am I pronouncing it correctly? 31 00:02:15,440 --> 00:02:16,359 Speaker 2: Yeah? 32 00:02:16,440 --> 00:02:21,280 Speaker 1: Okay? So is it even a ridiculous question to say 33 00:02:21,320 --> 00:02:23,799 Speaker 1: how are you? It's how have you been? 34 00:02:25,000 --> 00:02:27,720 Speaker 2: As you said, it is the most difficult time we had. 35 00:02:27,840 --> 00:02:30,000 Speaker 2: But it's not only today, it's for the last forty 36 00:02:30,000 --> 00:02:33,560 Speaker 2: six days. So and you don't get used to it. 37 00:02:33,960 --> 00:02:37,680 Speaker 2: You know, it's every morning struggling to start the day 38 00:02:37,800 --> 00:02:41,960 Speaker 2: over and to think what to do more than we 39 00:02:42,840 --> 00:02:46,120 Speaker 2: can do to help bringing a Fear home? 40 00:02:46,280 --> 00:02:49,520 Speaker 1: So all right, So Oh Fear is your Is your 41 00:02:49,600 --> 00:02:50,440 Speaker 1: nephew correct? 42 00:02:51,240 --> 00:02:51,600 Speaker 2: Yes? 43 00:02:52,160 --> 00:02:52,560 Speaker 1: All right? 44 00:02:53,120 --> 00:02:58,280 Speaker 3: So where were you? Where was Oh Fear? I know 45 00:02:58,400 --> 00:03:04,000 Speaker 3: he was visiting his girlfriend. You've all and walk me 46 00:03:04,120 --> 00:03:08,240 Speaker 3: through everything that happened that you're aware of on October seventh? 47 00:03:08,520 --> 00:03:13,080 Speaker 2: Okay, so well, all the family. We live in kibut 48 00:03:13,120 --> 00:03:18,200 Speaker 2: Amatahel is a kibootz near Jerusalem, a fear too. Aphil 49 00:03:18,320 --> 00:03:21,480 Speaker 2: is the son of my brother. We live here, my brother, 50 00:03:21,800 --> 00:03:27,000 Speaker 2: two sisters, my parents and fourteen grandchildren, all together in 51 00:03:27,040 --> 00:03:32,200 Speaker 2: this community and a fair mathival around seven or eight 52 00:03:32,280 --> 00:03:37,680 Speaker 2: months ago in a conference of Kibutzin and then he 53 00:03:37,760 --> 00:03:41,800 Speaker 2: met her and it was really great, big love, you 54 00:03:41,840 --> 00:03:48,120 Speaker 2: know that, like a first first, beautiful love. And they 55 00:03:49,280 --> 00:03:53,440 Speaker 2: spent the weekends, one time in Amatahel in a Field's 56 00:03:53,480 --> 00:03:57,160 Speaker 2: house and the other one in Yuvar's house. It's in 57 00:03:57,240 --> 00:04:02,440 Speaker 2: kibutz Ery near the gazzaboard border. And a Fire is 58 00:04:02,480 --> 00:04:05,560 Speaker 2: also a basketball player. He played for eight years in 59 00:04:05,600 --> 00:04:08,640 Speaker 2: a Poeli ocean line and when he met a Phild, 60 00:04:08,840 --> 00:04:11,640 Speaker 2: he decided he wants to be close to her, so 61 00:04:11,720 --> 00:04:16,799 Speaker 2: he started playing in a group near Berry. He continued 62 00:04:16,880 --> 00:04:22,359 Speaker 2: studying in Jerusalem. He's a high school student. So he 63 00:04:22,560 --> 00:04:27,120 Speaker 2: was like living in two houses here and also in Beri. 64 00:04:28,560 --> 00:04:33,200 Speaker 2: On October seventh, it was the weekend in Ivail house. 65 00:04:33,800 --> 00:04:36,520 Speaker 2: They have been in her grandmother house in Tel Aviv 66 00:04:37,040 --> 00:04:40,880 Speaker 2: until Friday, very late, and they wanted to stay sleep there, 67 00:04:40,960 --> 00:04:43,560 Speaker 2: but in the last minute they decided to go back 68 00:04:43,600 --> 00:04:48,440 Speaker 2: home to sleep home. And the plans were that on 69 00:04:49,120 --> 00:04:53,599 Speaker 2: this Saturday of Phield's parents were supposed to come to 70 00:04:53,680 --> 00:04:57,720 Speaker 2: Berry to meet VI's parents for the first time. And 71 00:04:58,800 --> 00:05:02,440 Speaker 2: October seventh, six o'clock in the morning, or Field calls 72 00:05:02,760 --> 00:05:06,120 Speaker 2: off his father, my brother, and he tells him there 73 00:05:06,120 --> 00:05:10,520 Speaker 2: are many sirens and bombs. We don't know exactly what's happening, 74 00:05:10,600 --> 00:05:14,080 Speaker 2: but everything is okay. I'm okay, I am alive. We 75 00:05:14,160 --> 00:05:16,880 Speaker 2: are going inside the save room. We've been in touch. 76 00:05:17,920 --> 00:05:22,360 Speaker 2: Eight o'clock the same morning, we had alarms here in Jerusalem. 77 00:05:22,720 --> 00:05:27,720 Speaker 2: It's very, very not normal. We wake up here in 78 00:05:27,800 --> 00:05:31,080 Speaker 2: our house and we thought it's a problem with the sirens. 79 00:05:31,120 --> 00:05:35,200 Speaker 2: We didn't realize yet what's going on. And when I 80 00:05:35,240 --> 00:05:38,080 Speaker 2: got to my phone and opened the group of the family, 81 00:05:38,120 --> 00:05:42,760 Speaker 2: I asked, what's happening, and my brother right to me 82 00:05:43,440 --> 00:05:48,200 Speaker 2: a very big warp again. So we all of the 83 00:05:48,279 --> 00:05:51,000 Speaker 2: family went to their house to ask and to see 84 00:05:51,000 --> 00:05:54,520 Speaker 2: what's happening. And we understood from the messages that the 85 00:05:54,640 --> 00:05:58,520 Speaker 2: Field was sending to us every fifteen minutes that something 86 00:05:58,680 --> 00:06:02,200 Speaker 2: very big is going on. We started seeing in the 87 00:06:02,279 --> 00:06:06,400 Speaker 2: media in the TV all what's going on. Also, two 88 00:06:06,440 --> 00:06:11,360 Speaker 2: friends of my bigger daughter, she's twenty two, have been 89 00:06:11,400 --> 00:06:16,080 Speaker 2: to the party this time, and she got in touch 90 00:06:16,120 --> 00:06:18,680 Speaker 2: with them only for a few minutes. They told her, 91 00:06:18,920 --> 00:06:22,000 Speaker 2: you don't understand what's going on. Everyone around is dead. 92 00:06:22,080 --> 00:06:25,960 Speaker 2: We're trying to get don't call us anymore. We are 93 00:06:26,600 --> 00:06:30,640 Speaker 2: trying to get somewhere safe. They got safe home after 94 00:06:30,680 --> 00:06:32,760 Speaker 2: a few hours running in the fields. 95 00:06:33,200 --> 00:06:33,799 Speaker 1: But then. 96 00:06:35,120 --> 00:06:38,560 Speaker 2: From then that we understood something very bad is happening. 97 00:06:38,960 --> 00:06:41,240 Speaker 2: You're after all the field to be in touch every 98 00:06:41,279 --> 00:06:44,719 Speaker 2: ten minutes, to be very quiet, to send messages, not 99 00:06:44,839 --> 00:06:48,160 Speaker 2: to talk, not to turn the lights on. And they 100 00:06:48,160 --> 00:06:52,200 Speaker 2: were there in the safe room or field with his girlfriend, Vell, 101 00:06:52,320 --> 00:06:59,200 Speaker 2: her two little sisters, father and mother. Then around half 102 00:06:59,240 --> 00:07:04,240 Speaker 2: past twelve the connection stopped. The last message from them 103 00:07:04,279 --> 00:07:08,080 Speaker 2: we got was like we hear our people in the house. 104 00:07:08,120 --> 00:07:11,320 Speaker 2: We hear shooting. We're afraid, we don't know what to do. 105 00:07:11,680 --> 00:07:15,400 Speaker 2: Please come and rescue us. And then the connection was gone. 106 00:07:17,200 --> 00:07:20,360 Speaker 2: We waited at home or all of us together, and 107 00:07:20,480 --> 00:07:24,080 Speaker 2: around half past seven or eight o'clock in the evening, Nira, 108 00:07:24,280 --> 00:07:28,640 Speaker 2: she is Yval's mother, reached out to us and she 109 00:07:28,760 --> 00:07:31,920 Speaker 2: told us on the phone what happened, and she said 110 00:07:31,960 --> 00:07:35,960 Speaker 2: that around one o'clock terrorists came inside the house came 111 00:07:36,000 --> 00:07:39,160 Speaker 2: inside the safe room, took all the family out, shot 112 00:07:39,200 --> 00:07:43,280 Speaker 2: the dog. It was the family dog. They loved it 113 00:07:43,360 --> 00:07:46,200 Speaker 2: so much. They shot the dog. They took all the 114 00:07:46,240 --> 00:07:52,080 Speaker 2: family outside, walked with them along the sidewalk for hannahd Meter, 115 00:07:53,560 --> 00:07:58,160 Speaker 2: took Afear and Eysi and VAL's father and grabbed another 116 00:07:58,320 --> 00:08:02,920 Speaker 2: child that just stand there with his family. Met They 117 00:08:02,960 --> 00:08:06,160 Speaker 2: put them in a small black rab car and went away. 118 00:08:07,040 --> 00:08:11,280 Speaker 2: They didn't touch the women. Two mothers and four daughters 119 00:08:11,600 --> 00:08:15,200 Speaker 2: stood there like I don't know what to do, looking around. 120 00:08:15,240 --> 00:08:17,960 Speaker 2: Neil told me later that she was like, it was 121 00:08:18,200 --> 00:08:21,320 Speaker 2: like a bad dream because they stand in the middle 122 00:08:21,320 --> 00:08:26,120 Speaker 2: of the keyboots. The terrorists are going with the bikes, 123 00:08:26,280 --> 00:08:29,400 Speaker 2: shooting in the air, shooting at people, and they ran 124 00:08:29,440 --> 00:08:33,640 Speaker 2: away to the nearest house they found. They tried to 125 00:08:33,679 --> 00:08:40,400 Speaker 2: go inside the safe room, but it was locked. Afterwards, 126 00:08:40,440 --> 00:08:43,240 Speaker 2: we found out that there was an old lady there 127 00:08:43,800 --> 00:08:47,680 Speaker 2: that she hadn't have her earing device and she thowt 128 00:08:47,720 --> 00:08:50,400 Speaker 2: they're terrorists, so she didn't open the door. So they 129 00:08:50,520 --> 00:08:54,400 Speaker 2: just got in a small room in that house. They 130 00:08:54,480 --> 00:08:57,440 Speaker 2: lied on the floor for a few hours and just 131 00:08:58,120 --> 00:09:02,200 Speaker 2: waited and said ten o'clock at evening, the army came 132 00:09:02,280 --> 00:09:07,640 Speaker 2: took them out, and I think the more very sensitive 133 00:09:08,040 --> 00:09:10,840 Speaker 2: thing that the soldiers were doing is giving each of 134 00:09:10,880 --> 00:09:13,880 Speaker 2: them a hand, told them to close their eyes so 135 00:09:13,920 --> 00:09:17,280 Speaker 2: they won't see what's going on around. Nila told me 136 00:09:17,400 --> 00:09:20,160 Speaker 2: she didn't close her eyes because you have to see everything. 137 00:09:20,520 --> 00:09:23,880 Speaker 2: She's a nurse in her it's what she does. So 138 00:09:23,920 --> 00:09:26,720 Speaker 2: she looked around and she's very sorry for it because 139 00:09:26,760 --> 00:09:33,120 Speaker 2: it was all bodies around, bodies with no heads, naked 140 00:09:33,200 --> 00:09:37,600 Speaker 2: bodies of women that were raped like hell. It was 141 00:09:37,640 --> 00:09:42,160 Speaker 2: like hell. And her youngest daughter, she's fourteen years old, 142 00:09:42,640 --> 00:09:45,080 Speaker 2: she didn't want to open her eyes. Four hours later, 143 00:09:46,320 --> 00:09:48,600 Speaker 2: they go to the Dead Sea or tel in the 144 00:09:48,640 --> 00:09:54,600 Speaker 2: Dead Sea with the pajamas, barefoot and without anything with them. 145 00:09:55,280 --> 00:09:57,720 Speaker 2: A few days later, they found out that their house 146 00:09:57,840 --> 00:10:03,960 Speaker 2: was burned to ashes, so basically they don't have anything left. 147 00:10:04,200 --> 00:10:10,079 Speaker 2: Their father is kidnapped of fear, is kidnapped from their house. 148 00:10:11,200 --> 00:10:14,760 Speaker 2: Their uncle that left that leave also in Beri. His 149 00:10:14,880 --> 00:10:19,440 Speaker 2: wife and two daughters were missing until two weeks later 150 00:10:19,679 --> 00:10:23,160 Speaker 2: that the mother and two girls were founded murdered in 151 00:10:23,240 --> 00:10:26,680 Speaker 2: their house, and one week ago they were told that 152 00:10:26,760 --> 00:10:30,560 Speaker 2: their uncle is also a hostage in Ghaza. Their other 153 00:10:30,640 --> 00:10:34,040 Speaker 2: cousin from the other side, from Nern's side, was also 154 00:10:34,160 --> 00:10:38,040 Speaker 2: murdered in the party. So that's the families the cliffs 155 00:10:38,080 --> 00:10:40,320 Speaker 2: now in the Dead Sea, in the hotel of the 156 00:10:40,320 --> 00:10:45,240 Speaker 2: Dead Sea. Many many of Barry were killed, many of 157 00:10:45,280 --> 00:10:50,480 Speaker 2: them are hostages. And since then, since that day, the Saturday, 158 00:10:51,920 --> 00:10:55,079 Speaker 2: we got only one message from the army five days later, 159 00:10:55,720 --> 00:10:59,240 Speaker 2: that of fear. I don't know how they found it 160 00:10:59,480 --> 00:11:03,560 Speaker 2: found out, but they didn't tell us the details. But 161 00:11:03,720 --> 00:11:09,480 Speaker 2: he's he was transferred from the missing people to the 162 00:11:09,559 --> 00:11:13,000 Speaker 2: kidnap people. So it gave us a lot of hope. 163 00:11:13,520 --> 00:11:18,319 Speaker 2: And the most unreasonable or not normal thing was that 164 00:11:18,600 --> 00:11:21,320 Speaker 2: we were so happy to hear that because you know, 165 00:11:21,440 --> 00:11:25,160 Speaker 2: it was or when the soldiers came home, it was 166 00:11:25,280 --> 00:11:30,719 Speaker 2: like is he dead or is he not? So he's kidnapped. 167 00:11:30,920 --> 00:11:33,480 Speaker 2: And since then we don't know anything. We didn't get 168 00:11:33,520 --> 00:11:36,559 Speaker 2: any sign of life, We didn't get any movie or 169 00:11:37,160 --> 00:11:41,280 Speaker 2: video clip that shows him there, and we try, you know, 170 00:11:41,720 --> 00:11:47,160 Speaker 2: forty five days were past and it's really not Nobody 171 00:11:47,160 --> 00:11:53,080 Speaker 2: can imagine what we and the other two hundred families 172 00:11:53,080 --> 00:11:53,760 Speaker 2: are going through. 173 00:11:56,280 --> 00:12:00,120 Speaker 3: Wow, I don't even know what how to respond to 174 00:12:00,200 --> 00:12:03,600 Speaker 3: what you just told me. You know, like saying I'm 175 00:12:03,640 --> 00:12:10,120 Speaker 3: sorry is I don't know, but that's just unimaginable and 176 00:12:10,160 --> 00:12:13,080 Speaker 3: I can't even imagine the amount of anguish. 177 00:12:12,840 --> 00:12:18,800 Speaker 1: And heartbreak and stress and just terror. 178 00:12:20,040 --> 00:12:25,920 Speaker 3: That you and your family and everybody in your life 179 00:12:26,600 --> 00:12:30,000 Speaker 3: has been going through. I'll start, you know, with this, 180 00:12:30,240 --> 00:12:32,240 Speaker 3: you know, and to just try to ask you questions 181 00:12:32,240 --> 00:12:34,680 Speaker 3: in the most respectful way to get your story out, 182 00:12:34,760 --> 00:12:37,720 Speaker 3: to get oh Fear's story out. 183 00:12:38,360 --> 00:12:43,000 Speaker 1: So you guys have only gotten one message. 184 00:12:43,080 --> 00:12:47,080 Speaker 3: You've only been contacted by the army the government one time, 185 00:12:47,320 --> 00:12:49,760 Speaker 3: and since this happened. 186 00:12:49,480 --> 00:12:54,200 Speaker 2: No after when they came to my brother's home to 187 00:12:54,240 --> 00:12:58,200 Speaker 2: tell them that he is kidnapped. We have two very 188 00:12:59,240 --> 00:13:03,800 Speaker 2: very nice officers that are intact with us. It's not 189 00:13:03,840 --> 00:13:08,600 Speaker 2: their usual job, you know, they had to really, I 190 00:13:08,600 --> 00:13:11,320 Speaker 2: don't think Asrael was prepared to something like that. So 191 00:13:11,920 --> 00:13:15,120 Speaker 2: we go to nice officers that they come once a week, 192 00:13:15,160 --> 00:13:17,800 Speaker 2: twice a week, but they don't have anything to say. 193 00:13:17,880 --> 00:13:21,520 Speaker 2: So they just come to be there to ask how 194 00:13:21,600 --> 00:13:26,079 Speaker 2: is going on? If we need something, But we don't 195 00:13:26,080 --> 00:13:30,520 Speaker 2: have any information or official information about the condition of 196 00:13:30,559 --> 00:13:33,960 Speaker 2: a film. We just know he was taken in good shape, 197 00:13:34,000 --> 00:13:34,720 Speaker 2: in good health. 198 00:13:36,160 --> 00:13:41,599 Speaker 1: That's what we know, how is You've all of Fiar's girlfriend? 199 00:13:43,320 --> 00:13:45,000 Speaker 1: How is she doing? What is she doing? 200 00:13:45,080 --> 00:13:47,600 Speaker 3: Like how do you continue like every single day to 201 00:13:47,679 --> 00:13:49,640 Speaker 3: go forward, like how is she doing? 202 00:13:50,760 --> 00:13:54,160 Speaker 2: I can tell you what we are going through. We 203 00:13:54,200 --> 00:13:57,080 Speaker 2: went to visit this family a few times in the 204 00:13:57,120 --> 00:14:02,080 Speaker 2: Dead Sea, and as we do before, as we do 205 00:14:02,200 --> 00:14:05,960 Speaker 2: in our usual life, that stopped October seventh. We try 206 00:14:06,040 --> 00:14:10,480 Speaker 2: to find projects to do during this time, and we 207 00:14:10,760 --> 00:14:13,920 Speaker 2: all every day and all day long trying to think 208 00:14:13,960 --> 00:14:16,559 Speaker 2: what we can do to be with your home. And 209 00:14:17,320 --> 00:14:21,000 Speaker 2: some of the things we're doing is interviewing in the 210 00:14:21,240 --> 00:14:26,600 Speaker 2: media and letting the world know what happened here. It's 211 00:14:26,680 --> 00:14:29,720 Speaker 2: very important for us that the world, the free world, 212 00:14:29,920 --> 00:14:34,280 Speaker 2: will know that we don't have a war between Israel 213 00:14:34,280 --> 00:14:37,440 Speaker 2: and fast Time. It's not a war between Israel and Hamas, 214 00:14:37,800 --> 00:14:40,840 Speaker 2: and it's definitely not a war between Israel and the 215 00:14:40,880 --> 00:14:47,280 Speaker 2: Gaza population. It's a brutal barbarian terror attack on the 216 00:14:47,680 --> 00:14:52,160 Speaker 2: on innocent people. I want people to know that in 217 00:14:52,280 --> 00:14:57,040 Speaker 2: Israel we have a very very severe humanitarian crisis now 218 00:14:57,520 --> 00:15:02,200 Speaker 2: with one hundred thousand people created from their homes, many 219 00:15:02,560 --> 00:15:04,720 Speaker 2: thousands of people that doesn't have a home to go 220 00:15:04,840 --> 00:15:09,560 Speaker 2: back to because it was burnt. And I want every 221 00:15:09,600 --> 00:15:12,680 Speaker 2: mother a father in the world close their eyes before 222 00:15:12,720 --> 00:15:16,680 Speaker 2: bad time and imagine that they put their child in 223 00:15:17,480 --> 00:15:20,840 Speaker 2: the most safe place in their home, in bed, and 224 00:15:20,920 --> 00:15:25,160 Speaker 2: somebody come in the house and take them away and 225 00:15:25,200 --> 00:15:31,280 Speaker 2: they don't know anything. It's not my son, So I 226 00:15:31,520 --> 00:15:34,520 Speaker 2: even me cannot imagine what his mother is going through. 227 00:15:34,560 --> 00:15:39,600 Speaker 2: But we have so difficult days, but we believe all 228 00:15:39,640 --> 00:15:42,960 Speaker 2: the time that he will come back and he will 229 00:15:42,960 --> 00:15:47,080 Speaker 2: be okay. And about your value, asks me. We knew 230 00:15:47,160 --> 00:15:50,000 Speaker 2: will before because she used to come to us and 231 00:15:50,040 --> 00:15:55,840 Speaker 2: we ate family dinners together. She's such a really cute girl, 232 00:15:56,080 --> 00:16:00,840 Speaker 2: really cute girl. She's also a teenager high school student. 233 00:16:02,840 --> 00:16:07,280 Speaker 2: We got to know her mother and two sisters. I 234 00:16:07,320 --> 00:16:14,200 Speaker 2: don't think they really get inside or feel what happened 235 00:16:14,200 --> 00:16:17,800 Speaker 2: to them, because I know that five of you, our 236 00:16:17,880 --> 00:16:22,440 Speaker 2: friends were killed, Her boyfriend is kidnapped, her uncle and 237 00:16:22,520 --> 00:16:27,400 Speaker 2: two nieces were brutally killed, her another nephew was killed. 238 00:16:28,400 --> 00:16:31,800 Speaker 2: They stayed all together, eight hundred people in hotel in 239 00:16:31,840 --> 00:16:35,720 Speaker 2: the Dead Sea, like refugees. Her mother told me they 240 00:16:35,720 --> 00:16:38,920 Speaker 2: have four suitcases with a few clothes to each of 241 00:16:39,240 --> 00:16:41,760 Speaker 2: each one of them, and that's what they have now 242 00:16:42,160 --> 00:16:45,200 Speaker 2: and they don't have any problem with it because the people, 243 00:16:45,520 --> 00:16:48,560 Speaker 2: most of the people that live there near the Gaza border, 244 00:16:49,040 --> 00:16:53,560 Speaker 2: they are really Zionist people that live there for the idea, 245 00:16:54,280 --> 00:16:59,360 Speaker 2: for the values they believe in. I think the most 246 00:16:59,400 --> 00:17:02,480 Speaker 2: painful thing that happened is that there are people of peace. 247 00:17:03,320 --> 00:17:09,160 Speaker 2: And every day before that October seven, thousands of Palestinians 248 00:17:09,200 --> 00:17:15,360 Speaker 2: people came inside Israel to work. So they're not connected 249 00:17:15,440 --> 00:17:20,240 Speaker 2: yet to the feelings. They have a long way to go. 250 00:17:21,240 --> 00:17:24,400 Speaker 2: But we as a family decided to really see what 251 00:17:24,440 --> 00:17:27,240 Speaker 2: they need there, not only a violence her family, also 252 00:17:27,400 --> 00:17:31,200 Speaker 2: the other people. So we did some projects. We got 253 00:17:31,240 --> 00:17:35,000 Speaker 2: the nations from very very nice people in Israel, and 254 00:17:35,520 --> 00:17:39,760 Speaker 2: we bought them five hundred pairs of shoes that we 255 00:17:39,800 --> 00:17:43,000 Speaker 2: know they like, and we tried to go there every 256 00:17:43,040 --> 00:17:45,440 Speaker 2: week and to bring things with us to make them 257 00:17:45,720 --> 00:17:46,679 Speaker 2: a little bit happy. 258 00:17:46,880 --> 00:17:51,399 Speaker 1: I don't know, I understand. And you talked about just 259 00:17:51,440 --> 00:17:56,280 Speaker 1: to humanize and. 260 00:17:55,080 --> 00:17:58,800 Speaker 3: Because we start we see these pictures and you know 261 00:18:00,240 --> 00:18:04,560 Speaker 3: the picture of o Fear, he seems just such like 262 00:18:04,640 --> 00:18:10,119 Speaker 3: a sweet young man, a young boy. You said he 263 00:18:10,240 --> 00:18:14,280 Speaker 3: likes basketball, and you could just tell from his face 264 00:18:15,640 --> 00:18:19,240 Speaker 3: that he just seems like, you know, just a beautiful kid. 265 00:18:19,320 --> 00:18:22,399 Speaker 3: Can you talk about him because, like I said, you know, 266 00:18:22,440 --> 00:18:28,199 Speaker 3: the posters and the the controversy, which is embarrassing in 267 00:18:28,280 --> 00:18:31,880 Speaker 3: my city in New York. It's it's embarrassing. The controversy 268 00:18:31,920 --> 00:18:34,720 Speaker 3: over the posters and the ripping down of the posters 269 00:18:34,760 --> 00:18:39,200 Speaker 3: is really humiliating. Can you describe what he's like as 270 00:18:39,200 --> 00:18:40,080 Speaker 3: a kid. 271 00:18:40,720 --> 00:18:44,720 Speaker 2: Yes, he is the he's a teenager. It's all this complex, 272 00:18:44,800 --> 00:18:52,879 Speaker 2: you know, complexity. But he's very, very sensitive boy. He's 273 00:18:57,080 --> 00:19:00,119 Speaker 2: you know, he's so kind. Every time I in my 274 00:19:00,240 --> 00:19:05,400 Speaker 2: normal life, I run a nonprofit organization, and every time 275 00:19:05,440 --> 00:19:07,640 Speaker 2: I need some help, he's the first one to come 276 00:19:07,680 --> 00:19:12,600 Speaker 2: to help me before my children. Every time he can 277 00:19:12,640 --> 00:19:15,919 Speaker 2: ask what I need to do. He's working on the 278 00:19:15,960 --> 00:19:25,640 Speaker 2: keyboots in the agriculture. He's very very He's always there 279 00:19:25,760 --> 00:19:31,040 Speaker 2: first to help in everything we need, if it's to 280 00:19:31,080 --> 00:19:37,119 Speaker 2: take someone to school, if it's to come helping people 281 00:19:37,160 --> 00:19:40,480 Speaker 2: that need some help. He has a lot of friends 282 00:19:40,520 --> 00:19:45,240 Speaker 2: also from school of also from basketball. Every evening for 283 00:19:45,320 --> 00:19:48,200 Speaker 2: the last forty five days, his friends from these kiboots 284 00:19:48,400 --> 00:19:52,360 Speaker 2: are coming to sit there with their parents. They meet 285 00:19:52,440 --> 00:19:55,679 Speaker 2: him so much because you know, as you see in 286 00:19:55,680 --> 00:19:59,800 Speaker 2: the picture. He's just a boy. And if I told 287 00:19:59,840 --> 00:20:03,359 Speaker 2: me that she gave when they walked there from the 288 00:20:03,400 --> 00:20:07,280 Speaker 2: safe room to the car, she gave him the old 289 00:20:07,400 --> 00:20:10,640 Speaker 2: hands and she wanted to go with him to the car, 290 00:20:10,840 --> 00:20:13,399 Speaker 2: and the terrorist told her, you don't go with us. 291 00:20:14,280 --> 00:20:17,040 Speaker 2: They just tripped their way, and she said, there was 292 00:20:17,080 --> 00:20:21,320 Speaker 2: so much fear in his eyes. And you know, it's 293 00:20:21,359 --> 00:20:26,919 Speaker 2: going on so long. We really, me myself try not 294 00:20:27,000 --> 00:20:30,720 Speaker 2: to not to think about what's going over him there. 295 00:20:32,160 --> 00:20:35,800 Speaker 2: We just try to be in doing all the time, 296 00:20:36,240 --> 00:20:40,159 Speaker 2: really in doing so the mornings and the evenings or 297 00:20:40,200 --> 00:20:44,960 Speaker 2: the night and the most hard times before we start doing, 298 00:20:45,000 --> 00:20:48,919 Speaker 2: and after we finished doing, we have some hours to think. 299 00:20:51,240 --> 00:20:54,400 Speaker 2: It's really a nightmare. It's really a nightmare, and going 300 00:20:54,480 --> 00:20:57,720 Speaker 2: on and on. In the beginning, we thought it will 301 00:20:57,720 --> 00:21:01,560 Speaker 2: be only, you know, we hoped it will be for 302 00:21:01,600 --> 00:21:05,040 Speaker 2: a few days, because we couldn't imagine that the world 303 00:21:05,119 --> 00:21:09,800 Speaker 2: and this country. We let thirty eight children together with 304 00:21:09,920 --> 00:21:15,080 Speaker 2: two hundred more adults to be there. But as we 305 00:21:15,200 --> 00:21:20,240 Speaker 2: all understood, the Hamas is like ICEI is like a Kaida. 306 00:21:20,640 --> 00:21:27,000 Speaker 2: It's a very very brutal organization. All the talks about 307 00:21:27,200 --> 00:21:29,040 Speaker 2: what to do, what to give them back, what not 308 00:21:29,119 --> 00:21:32,000 Speaker 2: to give them back? From the beginning, we said that 309 00:21:32,119 --> 00:21:38,200 Speaker 2: every price is worth these children, and I say all 310 00:21:38,240 --> 00:21:43,160 Speaker 2: the time that on October seven is very lost, and 311 00:21:43,359 --> 00:21:46,720 Speaker 2: now we have to bring them back and then do 312 00:21:46,920 --> 00:21:49,920 Speaker 2: whatever it needs to do that these people can go 313 00:21:50,000 --> 00:21:54,200 Speaker 2: back to their homes and live safe, because I think 314 00:21:55,160 --> 00:21:59,800 Speaker 2: nobody in the free world, no leader from the free world, 315 00:22:01,040 --> 00:22:04,640 Speaker 2: could have this happened in his country. And we really 316 00:22:04,680 --> 00:22:10,560 Speaker 2: appreciate by them when he came here and said that 317 00:22:10,600 --> 00:22:14,439 Speaker 2: he will do anything in his power to do to 318 00:22:14,480 --> 00:22:15,440 Speaker 2: try to give them back. 319 00:22:15,560 --> 00:22:22,399 Speaker 3: So when you said earlier like this is not a 320 00:22:22,440 --> 00:22:27,040 Speaker 3: war between Israel and the people of Gaza, has your 321 00:22:27,080 --> 00:22:31,920 Speaker 3: perception changed, Like are you shocked by this situation happening? 322 00:22:31,960 --> 00:22:36,200 Speaker 1: I mean, I know the specific nature of the way you. 323 00:22:36,119 --> 00:22:41,280 Speaker 3: Guys have been affected is obviously shocking, But your perception 324 00:22:41,680 --> 00:22:48,200 Speaker 3: of the people of Gaza, the Hamas, the Israel government, 325 00:22:49,080 --> 00:22:52,320 Speaker 3: has it changed the way you look at everything regarding 326 00:22:52,600 --> 00:22:56,119 Speaker 3: the government and the Hamas and what you thought the 327 00:22:56,160 --> 00:23:00,879 Speaker 3: relationship was between Israel and Hamas and Israel and the world. 328 00:23:02,040 --> 00:23:03,240 Speaker 1: I hope that's making sense. 329 00:23:03,800 --> 00:23:08,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, it makes sense, And I'm not shocked because, first 330 00:23:08,840 --> 00:23:11,520 Speaker 2: of all, my opinion is not so popular okay in 331 00:23:11,600 --> 00:23:15,480 Speaker 2: Israel now, because I still don't think all the Muslims 332 00:23:15,480 --> 00:23:19,479 Speaker 2: are Hamas, and I really believe in human beings, and 333 00:23:19,600 --> 00:23:22,440 Speaker 2: I think that also the two million people in Gaza 334 00:23:22,760 --> 00:23:30,440 Speaker 2: are like hostages of the Hamas. But I think that 335 00:23:30,600 --> 00:23:34,000 Speaker 2: they chose the Hamas to be their government, they chose 336 00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:38,560 Speaker 2: the Hamas to be their education in school. And I 337 00:23:38,680 --> 00:23:43,600 Speaker 2: feel very, very sorry for these children in Gaza that 338 00:23:43,800 --> 00:23:46,800 Speaker 2: from the age of four get weapons in their hands, 339 00:23:47,320 --> 00:23:52,440 Speaker 2: are educated for hate Jewish people, that raised to kill 340 00:23:52,880 --> 00:23:56,399 Speaker 2: and to be killed, because the most higher level you 341 00:23:56,480 --> 00:24:00,920 Speaker 2: can get when you're in Hamas is to kill Jewish 342 00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:05,160 Speaker 2: people and be a shahid. And I feel sorry for them, 343 00:24:06,160 --> 00:24:10,840 Speaker 2: and I'm in shock from I think the most shock 344 00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:15,639 Speaker 2: of the most worst thing I felt them it was 345 00:24:15,720 --> 00:24:20,800 Speaker 2: the lack of security we have because we were living 346 00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:24,120 Speaker 2: in an idea. We know they want to kill us, 347 00:24:24,400 --> 00:24:26,920 Speaker 2: we know that we are here in Israel, a small 348 00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:32,080 Speaker 2: country between enemies or among enemies, but we really believed 349 00:24:32,600 --> 00:24:35,600 Speaker 2: that we have a strong army, we have a very 350 00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:39,760 Speaker 2: very good intelligence, and we didn't think for a minute 351 00:24:39,840 --> 00:24:44,040 Speaker 2: that such a thing could happen. And just yesterday I saw. 352 00:24:44,720 --> 00:24:47,040 Speaker 2: I try not to see so much TV now because 353 00:24:47,080 --> 00:24:50,440 Speaker 2: it's all about it, and it's really even if they 354 00:24:50,480 --> 00:24:52,720 Speaker 2: doesn't have anything you need to say, they just get 355 00:24:52,760 --> 00:24:55,360 Speaker 2: it over and over again. But when I saw yesterday 356 00:24:55,920 --> 00:25:00,760 Speaker 2: the small article about what happened Toper seven, and I 357 00:25:00,800 --> 00:25:05,359 Speaker 2: realized that just some some tools that you can buy 358 00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:12,639 Speaker 2: on Ali Express just shut down all our intelligent things 359 00:25:12,680 --> 00:25:16,080 Speaker 2: on the border. It was like, and I know that 360 00:25:16,280 --> 00:25:20,320 Speaker 2: many of the soldiers that served there said again and 361 00:25:20,359 --> 00:25:25,920 Speaker 2: again that something is happening, and everyone told them, shut 362 00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:30,240 Speaker 2: your mouth, everything's okay, we are controlling the business. Don't worry. 363 00:25:30,920 --> 00:25:34,600 Speaker 2: And then it happened out of the blue, like nobody 364 00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:39,520 Speaker 2: expected that, when hundreds of I don't know hundreds or 365 00:25:39,560 --> 00:25:45,360 Speaker 2: thousands of terrorists just came inside as well, two cars 366 00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:49,640 Speaker 2: took I don't know, automobile, many things and just went 367 00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:53,560 Speaker 2: coming back and forward, and it took the army. He 368 00:25:53,640 --> 00:25:58,359 Speaker 2: took the army around eight hours to go and inside 369 00:25:58,400 --> 00:26:04,200 Speaker 2: Berry and other village is there and protect them. And 370 00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:08,800 Speaker 2: I think I'm the most disappointed I am from the 371 00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:12,840 Speaker 2: Israeli government. And it's not political, okay, because it doesn't 372 00:26:12,840 --> 00:26:16,639 Speaker 2: matter what my personal opinions are and who I selected 373 00:26:16,640 --> 00:26:21,000 Speaker 2: in the government. But the government is in charge of 374 00:26:21,040 --> 00:26:25,359 Speaker 2: the people and of the citizens. And as my brother 375 00:26:25,520 --> 00:26:29,840 Speaker 2: say in every interview he's giving now he said, I 376 00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:33,600 Speaker 2: am not responsible for my child for forty five days. 377 00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:37,919 Speaker 2: So on October seven, he says to the leaders, and 378 00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:40,920 Speaker 2: he said it also in the cabinet meeting the day 379 00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:47,360 Speaker 2: before yesterday on October seven, your family got much bigger. 380 00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:51,280 Speaker 2: You have now two hundred and forty new family members 381 00:26:51,280 --> 00:26:53,399 Speaker 2: that you have to take care of, that you are 382 00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:57,760 Speaker 2: responsible of, and you have to do anything to do 383 00:26:58,200 --> 00:27:01,159 Speaker 2: to bring them home. And I want to hear you 384 00:27:01,280 --> 00:27:05,720 Speaker 2: say that you are responsible for them now. And our 385 00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:09,360 Speaker 2: Prime minister didn't say it. He didn't say he is responsible. 386 00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:14,000 Speaker 2: I don't think he thinks it is responsible. My brother 387 00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:17,199 Speaker 2: just asks him to say, not only him, him and 388 00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:21,400 Speaker 2: the other four, I am responsible for your kid now 389 00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:23,840 Speaker 2: and I will do anything I can to be nim home. 390 00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:28,440 Speaker 2: And they couldn't say it. And it's very very disappointing. 391 00:27:30,760 --> 00:27:36,280 Speaker 1: I understand, man, this is a lot. You know. 392 00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:40,199 Speaker 3: I really appreciate you sharing, you know, all this stuff, 393 00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:44,200 Speaker 3: like you know for me, and you know, I think 394 00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:46,520 Speaker 3: for a lot of people. 395 00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:48,120 Speaker 1: But I could just say for myself. 396 00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:50,479 Speaker 3: You know, so much of what we see on the news, 397 00:27:50,560 --> 00:27:53,560 Speaker 3: and so much what we see on social media, and 398 00:27:53,600 --> 00:27:56,720 Speaker 3: so much what we talk about. You know, we think 399 00:27:56,880 --> 00:27:59,560 Speaker 3: that we're close to it and understanding, but like, my 400 00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:02,680 Speaker 3: heart is racing just hearing you talk, and it's like. 401 00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:06,600 Speaker 1: And that's just you know, and I'm you know, just 402 00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:07,159 Speaker 1: talking to you. 403 00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:10,800 Speaker 3: So I can't even imagine what everybody in Israel, everybody 404 00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:12,639 Speaker 3: you know who has been affected by this, you know, 405 00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:15,720 Speaker 3: you know, the people from all over the world, the 406 00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:20,919 Speaker 3: United States citizens, the Israeli citizens, and just the friends 407 00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:23,359 Speaker 3: and the family and the devastation and the heartbreak and 408 00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:26,840 Speaker 3: the stress. I just can't even imagine it, you know. 409 00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:30,840 Speaker 3: And you know, I know everybody is just thinking and 410 00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:34,359 Speaker 3: praying and hoping and sending everybody so much love and 411 00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:36,560 Speaker 3: strength to you guys. 412 00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:38,720 Speaker 2: Podcast. 413 00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:52,640 Speaker 3: You know, there's a hope that you know, there's discussion 414 00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:56,760 Speaker 3: of release of hostages. You said you didn't get any 415 00:28:56,760 --> 00:28:59,360 Speaker 3: more information, and obviously if you got any more information, 416 00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:03,040 Speaker 3: you know, when you guys hear about a hostage exchange 417 00:29:03,320 --> 00:29:08,360 Speaker 3: and fifty people coming home, do you get like, how 418 00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:10,240 Speaker 3: do you even temper your. 419 00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:12,640 Speaker 1: Hope at this point? Like to not be disappointed. 420 00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:17,240 Speaker 2: Any further, we will be disappointed because we have expectations 421 00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:20,280 Speaker 2: that a Field will come home with all the children. 422 00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:26,200 Speaker 2: But even now with this deal came up. Just for 423 00:29:26,280 --> 00:29:28,800 Speaker 2: you to know that the first deal came up four 424 00:29:28,840 --> 00:29:32,680 Speaker 2: weeks ago. We just checked yesterday and I think four 425 00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:34,840 Speaker 2: weeks ago was or three and a half weeks ago. 426 00:29:35,040 --> 00:29:38,240 Speaker 2: I went to the to speak on TV and then 427 00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:41,720 Speaker 2: there was a headline that said that fifty hostages with 428 00:29:41,840 --> 00:29:46,520 Speaker 2: foreign with a double nationality will released. And it was 429 00:29:46,560 --> 00:29:49,240 Speaker 2: for the first time then, and you know, you get 430 00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:52,960 Speaker 2: immediately hope because the Field is also a Dutch nationality, 431 00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:58,320 Speaker 2: a citizen. And now when the deal is closed, as 432 00:29:58,360 --> 00:30:05,160 Speaker 2: they say in Israel, we didn't tomorrow. Tomorrow they start 433 00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:09,240 Speaker 2: the stop of the fire and tomorrow some of the 434 00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:14,840 Speaker 2: hostages come home. We didn't hear anything. So I don't 435 00:30:14,840 --> 00:30:17,040 Speaker 2: know what to tell you. We just got a call 436 00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:21,640 Speaker 2: this morning from our in charge officer and he said, 437 00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:25,560 Speaker 2: my brother, there is a deal. Okay, thank you very much. 438 00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:27,960 Speaker 2: We know there is a deal. We saw on TV yesterday. 439 00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:33,560 Speaker 2: And the other thing I'm very disappointed of is the media, 440 00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:37,320 Speaker 2: especially here in Israel, because they live here with us. 441 00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:42,000 Speaker 2: They know what we're going through, and I think they're cooperating, 442 00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:47,480 Speaker 2: actually cooperating with the psychological torture the Hamas is doing us. 443 00:30:48,040 --> 00:30:51,240 Speaker 2: Yesterday evening around eight o'clock, I think on nine o'clock, 444 00:30:51,280 --> 00:30:56,240 Speaker 2: I don't remember, in the most center channel in Israel, 445 00:30:56,680 --> 00:31:01,400 Speaker 2: they showed like a very nice presentation of who probably 446 00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:05,320 Speaker 2: will get out in this first deal, and they show 447 00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:10,200 Speaker 2: big pictures of Fear was among them. So we got 448 00:31:10,280 --> 00:31:14,760 Speaker 2: so many, so many phone calls after this and messages, 449 00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:19,360 Speaker 2: and I asked myself and them too, why do you 450 00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:23,240 Speaker 2: do it? Because until it's not close, it's not close. 451 00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:27,120 Speaker 2: Even now when fifty children and mothers will come home, 452 00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:30,320 Speaker 2: there are few families that the mother was murdered and 453 00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:33,840 Speaker 2: the children were taken with the fathers. So they will 454 00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:36,600 Speaker 2: bring now two children, little children, and the father will 455 00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:41,400 Speaker 2: say hostage. It's not reasonable. I really don't know what 456 00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:43,920 Speaker 2: to say about it. I just know, I just know 457 00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:49,000 Speaker 2: that we don't stop hoping that and I'm sure that 458 00:31:49,080 --> 00:31:52,320 Speaker 2: affair will come back and we will do we will 459 00:31:52,360 --> 00:31:57,080 Speaker 2: do everything to help him to get over whatever he 460 00:31:57,240 --> 00:32:02,360 Speaker 2: was going through. There. Nobody told the family until now 461 00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:07,280 Speaker 2: it's seven o'clock Israel time. Now the deal supposed to 462 00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:13,280 Speaker 2: get started in fifteen hours from now. They even didn't 463 00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:17,680 Speaker 2: say to his parents what the procedure is. You know, 464 00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:20,800 Speaker 2: we're hearing the news that they come here, they go 465 00:32:20,840 --> 00:32:24,680 Speaker 2: to hospital, they're going to talk to some people. The 466 00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:28,360 Speaker 2: only thing that interests us now or is that Sean 467 00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:31,120 Speaker 2: and you have will meet him and hug him. That's 468 00:32:31,120 --> 00:32:34,280 Speaker 2: the only thing. And I don't care if it will 469 00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:36,840 Speaker 2: take two or one day to be there in the hospital. 470 00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:41,600 Speaker 2: I hope he's coming back in a normal condition. I 471 00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:45,160 Speaker 2: can't imagine what he's going through there, and I'm sure 472 00:32:45,280 --> 00:32:49,000 Speaker 2: it will be a very very long day of recovering. 473 00:32:49,680 --> 00:32:54,120 Speaker 2: But as I tell you that, I'm thinking you didn't 474 00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:59,320 Speaker 2: have the message yet that he's coming back. So we 475 00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:02,640 Speaker 2: just day by day. In the beginning it was our 476 00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:07,120 Speaker 2: by hour, then it's day by day. Just before we 477 00:33:07,280 --> 00:33:11,000 Speaker 2: start talking, I had a phone call from a journalist 478 00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:14,040 Speaker 2: here in Israel that he wants me to meet a 479 00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:17,560 Speaker 2: group of American people next week in near the Cottael 480 00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:20,160 Speaker 2: and I told him, please next week. I don't know 481 00:33:20,160 --> 00:33:22,560 Speaker 2: what happened next week. I don't know what happened tomorrow morning. 482 00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:27,160 Speaker 2: So that's how we live now, for forty five days, 483 00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:31,040 Speaker 2: day to day, night to night. I can tell you 484 00:33:31,120 --> 00:33:33,560 Speaker 2: that we all together all the time. We don't let 485 00:33:33,640 --> 00:33:35,720 Speaker 2: you on and you off be alone for one minute. 486 00:33:36,360 --> 00:33:40,440 Speaker 2: We stay there from morning to evening. Two of us 487 00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:46,360 Speaker 2: stay sleeping there every day and hope and hope and 488 00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:53,200 Speaker 2: believe that everything will be not normal again, but start 489 00:33:53,240 --> 00:33:55,480 Speaker 2: to be more normal than now. 490 00:33:57,040 --> 00:33:59,840 Speaker 3: I understand, is there. I mean, I think you you know, 491 00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:03,520 Speaker 3: I don't have any more questions. I I'm going to 492 00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:10,799 Speaker 3: do my best to continue to get a fear story out, 493 00:34:11,120 --> 00:34:16,040 Speaker 3: get you've all story out, v story out, and everybody's 494 00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:18,560 Speaker 3: story out, to do the best that I can. And 495 00:34:18,680 --> 00:34:20,960 Speaker 3: I you know, I, like I said, you know, I 496 00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:23,240 Speaker 3: could just say for myself, and you know, my family 497 00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:26,960 Speaker 3: were just thinking about all of you guys and thinking 498 00:34:27,120 --> 00:34:31,160 Speaker 3: and sending love and sending strength and just prayer and 499 00:34:31,640 --> 00:34:36,520 Speaker 3: just sending everything we possibly can, and you know, and 500 00:34:36,640 --> 00:34:39,200 Speaker 3: just hoping, hoping, hoping that this is over soon and 501 00:34:39,239 --> 00:34:41,240 Speaker 3: everybody comes back all home safe. 502 00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:46,040 Speaker 2: You know, we know that not everybody will come home safe. 503 00:34:46,080 --> 00:34:50,480 Speaker 2: Because I was talking to one CONESSI member that told 504 00:34:50,560 --> 00:35:00,399 Speaker 2: me very not so not so normal, but they told 505 00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:03,719 Speaker 2: me that not everyone is alive. And I told him, 506 00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:05,799 Speaker 2: why do you say that, and he said, no, not 507 00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:09,000 Speaker 2: a field, but not everyone. There is a life, because 508 00:35:09,040 --> 00:35:14,120 Speaker 2: we know that they took people from the most from 509 00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:18,920 Speaker 2: the nature festival. They took them after they shot them. 510 00:35:19,120 --> 00:35:21,360 Speaker 2: And I know a father that told me that he 511 00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:25,800 Speaker 2: spoke his two children are their children. One is eighteen 512 00:35:25,840 --> 00:35:29,400 Speaker 2: and the daughter is twenty one. And when he was 513 00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:31,880 Speaker 2: talking to her for the last time Saturday morning, she 514 00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:35,439 Speaker 2: told him, father, they shot me. I'm going to die, 515 00:35:35,560 --> 00:35:40,000 Speaker 2: Please come help me. And then it was the conversation 516 00:35:40,239 --> 00:35:42,000 Speaker 2: was ended. He doesn't know anything. 517 00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:47,040 Speaker 1: So and that's one of the people that is considered 518 00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:48,080 Speaker 1: a hostage. 519 00:35:47,600 --> 00:35:52,279 Speaker 2: Now hostage and not a child, so not included in 520 00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:57,600 Speaker 2: the in the first deal because she is twenty one 521 00:35:58,200 --> 00:36:03,840 Speaker 2: and she's hostage hostage and our we didn't speak about 522 00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:06,640 Speaker 2: the Red Cross and the unitself that there are on 523 00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:10,960 Speaker 2: the organizations that all their aim is to help people 524 00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:13,959 Speaker 2: all over the world. And I know that the Red 525 00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:19,200 Speaker 2: Cross is visiting the Hamas prisoners here in Israel every week, 526 00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:22,600 Speaker 2: every week, taking care of them, seeing that they have 527 00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:27,719 Speaker 2: enough food, good conditions, that they study in the university 528 00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:31,000 Speaker 2: they get their degrees. And for forty five days, no one, 529 00:36:31,360 --> 00:36:35,560 Speaker 2: but no one saw our children our ruined people, our 530 00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:39,239 Speaker 2: old people. There was a lady there that yesterday had 531 00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:43,200 Speaker 2: her seventeen nine birthday, and nobody from the Grad Cross 532 00:36:43,239 --> 00:36:47,040 Speaker 2: saw her or neither of them. I had a conversation 533 00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:51,439 Speaker 2: with the representative of the unit, Seff, and I told him, 534 00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:54,919 Speaker 2: I told him, you get your salary for taking care 535 00:36:55,160 --> 00:37:00,160 Speaker 2: of children around the world. That's why countries pay their organization, 536 00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:02,839 Speaker 2: That's why you get your pain. Why do you sit 537 00:37:02,920 --> 00:37:06,120 Speaker 2: with me forty days after and write notes about a field. 538 00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:09,879 Speaker 2: You should know a phild story by heart. And it's 539 00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:13,000 Speaker 2: really I don't know what to say, but this is 540 00:37:13,040 --> 00:37:16,680 Speaker 2: the situation, and I really really hope to see all 541 00:37:16,719 --> 00:37:18,799 Speaker 2: of them, not only the children, but all of them 542 00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:21,239 Speaker 2: back home very soon. 543 00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:24,719 Speaker 1: You said the Red Cross is taking care of who. 544 00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:29,719 Speaker 2: She supposed to take care of, injured people all over 545 00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:32,960 Speaker 2: the world. I think this is this is its purpose. 546 00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:38,640 Speaker 2: And for forty five days, nobody from the Red Cross 547 00:37:39,560 --> 00:37:43,760 Speaker 2: went to visit any of our kidnap people or children 548 00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:46,520 Speaker 2: or anyone. You know that one women gave birth there 549 00:37:47,120 --> 00:37:50,080 Speaker 2: after a few days, and nobody saw her or the baby. 550 00:37:50,719 --> 00:37:54,200 Speaker 2: And she's not Israeli, she is not Jewish, She's Thai. 551 00:37:54,840 --> 00:37:57,920 Speaker 2: So I think it makes the point clear that they 552 00:37:57,960 --> 00:38:00,720 Speaker 2: don't want to hurt only Jewish people. It's just something 553 00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:03,680 Speaker 2: they say. But I think they want to take over 554 00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:08,040 Speaker 2: the free world, and that I agree dangerous think people 555 00:38:08,080 --> 00:38:09,360 Speaker 2: in the world should understand. 556 00:38:09,800 --> 00:38:10,480 Speaker 1: I agree. 557 00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:16,680 Speaker 3: I agree they didn't ask who, what, where, why, or 558 00:38:16,719 --> 00:38:20,280 Speaker 3: anything when they came on October seventh. 559 00:38:20,280 --> 00:38:25,440 Speaker 1: Then you know, I don't know. I mean, you know 560 00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:26,920 Speaker 1: all this, and everybody knows all this. 561 00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:31,799 Speaker 2: Sometimes you don't have words, I think. I think when 562 00:38:31,840 --> 00:38:34,680 Speaker 2: I start, it's more difficult for me to speak English. 563 00:38:34,680 --> 00:38:38,440 Speaker 2: But even if when I speak interviews in Hebrew, there 564 00:38:38,440 --> 00:38:45,040 Speaker 2: are no words to describe, not what happened, not our feelings, nothing, 565 00:38:45,120 --> 00:38:49,880 Speaker 2: because every word I say, it's like it's it's nothing 566 00:38:50,160 --> 00:38:51,480 Speaker 2: comparing to what it is. 567 00:38:53,080 --> 00:38:56,360 Speaker 3: All right, Well, I appreciate again you taking the time, 568 00:38:57,239 --> 00:39:01,160 Speaker 3: and you know, I'm just wishing everybody nothing but the 569 00:39:01,200 --> 00:39:06,359 Speaker 3: best and oh Fear and Yoav home safely, and just 570 00:39:06,440 --> 00:39:08,160 Speaker 3: sending so much love and. 571 00:39:08,120 --> 00:39:09,320 Speaker 1: Strength to all you guys. 572 00:39:09,400 --> 00:39:12,080 Speaker 3: And I'll do anything I can to try to continue 573 00:39:12,080 --> 00:39:14,080 Speaker 3: to help and support any way I can. 574 00:39:14,520 --> 00:39:16,800 Speaker 2: And I promise to send you a picture with the 575 00:39:16,920 --> 00:39:17,800 Speaker 2: Fear in his home. 576 00:39:18,560 --> 00:39:20,840 Speaker 3: I promise when I come to Israel. I'm going to 577 00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:23,680 Speaker 3: play him in one on one, although he'll probably beat 578 00:39:23,719 --> 00:39:27,040 Speaker 3: me very badly in basketball, but I would love to 579 00:39:27,080 --> 00:39:28,839 Speaker 3: meet him and to meet the rest of your family 580 00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:29,359 Speaker 3: when I come. 581 00:39:29,480 --> 00:39:33,719 Speaker 2: Okay, I promise we'll do. I'll do. Thank you, thank you. 582 00:39:33,760 --> 00:39:34,320 Speaker 2: I appreciate it. 583 00:39:34,719 --> 00:39:36,960 Speaker 1: Thank you very much, thank you very much. 584 00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:41,200 Speaker 2: Thank you. Great buye. 585 00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:47,200 Speaker 3: I want to thank Yaile for sharing her story. I 586 00:39:47,239 --> 00:39:51,640 Speaker 3: want to thank everybody who listened. Please pass this episode 587 00:39:51,680 --> 00:39:56,160 Speaker 3: around so people know what is going on with the 588 00:39:56,200 --> 00:40:00,200 Speaker 3: families of the victims of everything that has taken can 589 00:40:00,239 --> 00:40:05,800 Speaker 3: place on October seventh, Continue to share the story, continue 590 00:40:06,239 --> 00:40:11,319 Speaker 3: to discuss it fearlessly, and be thankful. We all have 591 00:40:11,360 --> 00:40:16,040 Speaker 3: a lot to be thankful for. Have a great, great, great, 592 00:40:16,320 --> 00:40:17,600 Speaker 3: great holiday. 593 00:40:18,080 --> 00:40:18,440 Speaker 1: Thank you.