1 00:00:10,200 --> 00:00:14,160 Speaker 1: From Meat Eaters World News headquarters in Bozeman, Montana. This 2 00:00:14,320 --> 00:00:19,480 Speaker 1: is Cow's Week in Review with Ryan cow Calai. Here's cal. 3 00:00:21,640 --> 00:00:25,200 Speaker 1: Late last month, in Quebec, Canada, masked intruders were caught 4 00:00:25,320 --> 00:00:28,520 Speaker 1: red handed after breaking into a manufacturing facility of the 5 00:00:28,600 --> 00:00:32,280 Speaker 1: aircraft Giant air Bus. In this case, it wasn't thieves 6 00:00:32,280 --> 00:00:35,880 Speaker 1: trying to lift precious aerospace metals or agents from rival 7 00:00:35,880 --> 00:00:39,560 Speaker 1: company stealing design plans, but instead a family of raccoons 8 00:00:39,720 --> 00:00:42,560 Speaker 1: looking to take shelter from the elements. A plant worker 9 00:00:42,600 --> 00:00:46,000 Speaker 1: discovered a nest of five baby raccoons known as kits, 10 00:00:46,360 --> 00:00:50,520 Speaker 1: hidden inside the fuselage of an A to twenty passenger plane, 11 00:00:50,560 --> 00:00:53,680 Speaker 1: and the mother was separately found climbing up the landing gear. 12 00:00:54,080 --> 00:00:58,000 Speaker 1: Subsequent investigations revealed chewed up wires and areas that had 13 00:00:58,040 --> 00:01:01,240 Speaker 1: been used as the bathroom. The raccoons also did not 14 00:01:01,400 --> 00:01:04,959 Speaker 1: turn the latch to show the occupied sign, which was 15 00:01:05,040 --> 00:01:10,800 Speaker 1: pretty inconsiderate. The company reported that thorough inspections were conducted 16 00:01:10,880 --> 00:01:14,000 Speaker 1: and the electrical damage was repaired, but declined to say 17 00:01:14,040 --> 00:01:16,160 Speaker 1: if more than one plane in the factory was affected. 18 00:01:16,520 --> 00:01:20,520 Speaker 1: The official Airbus spokesperson delivered the following not especially reassuring 19 00:01:20,560 --> 00:01:27,000 Speaker 1: comment quote, the aircraft is now pursuing its assembly process. Hey, 20 00:01:27,319 --> 00:01:29,920 Speaker 1: if anyone from Expedia is listening right now, can you 21 00:01:29,959 --> 00:01:32,600 Speaker 1: add a feature to your website that allows customers to 22 00:01:32,640 --> 00:01:35,840 Speaker 1: select the specific model of plane that's traveling at a 23 00:01:35,920 --> 00:01:39,120 Speaker 1: particular route. From now on, I might give the Airbus 24 00:01:39,120 --> 00:01:41,080 Speaker 1: a two twenty a pass and stick with the good 25 00:01:41,080 --> 00:01:43,840 Speaker 1: old A three point thirty or a three eighty, just 26 00:01:43,880 --> 00:01:46,800 Speaker 1: to be safe. However, this story did give me an 27 00:01:46,840 --> 00:01:49,600 Speaker 1: idea for a bit of a win win synergy for Airbus' 28 00:01:49,680 --> 00:01:52,680 Speaker 1: American rival Boeing, which over the past several years has 29 00:01:52,720 --> 00:01:57,160 Speaker 1: been plagued with manufacturing snaffoos and aircraft crashes. Well. Raccoons are, 30 00:01:57,200 --> 00:02:00,840 Speaker 1: of course, some of the smartest and most dexter animals 31 00:02:00,840 --> 00:02:04,480 Speaker 1: in North America. Their paws contain no webbing between the digits, 32 00:02:04,600 --> 00:02:08,160 Speaker 1: which allows them to move each finger individually and manipulate 33 00:02:08,240 --> 00:02:12,040 Speaker 1: objects with great skill. Two thirds of their cerebral cortex 34 00:02:12,200 --> 00:02:14,840 Speaker 1: is made up of neurons connected to their paws, and 35 00:02:14,960 --> 00:02:17,760 Speaker 1: one study from way back in nineteen to eight showed 36 00:02:17,840 --> 00:02:22,800 Speaker 1: raccoons opening complex locking mechanisms just as well as reesis monkeys. 37 00:02:23,280 --> 00:02:27,240 Speaker 1: Raccoons also have extremely good eyesight in low light, so 38 00:02:27,760 --> 00:02:29,960 Speaker 1: you can see where I'm going, right, and we've all 39 00:02:29,960 --> 00:02:34,480 Speaker 1: seen ratitude at this point. Maybe Boeing could invite in 40 00:02:34,560 --> 00:02:37,560 Speaker 1: its own bash of raccoons, bring them up to speed 41 00:02:37,760 --> 00:02:41,359 Speaker 1: wiring diagrams with the latest triple seven X jetliner, turn 42 00:02:41,400 --> 00:02:44,200 Speaker 1: them loose inside those tight little crevasses with a pair 43 00:02:44,200 --> 00:02:49,440 Speaker 1: of ice grips and soldering iron. Yeah it'll be cute 44 00:02:49,680 --> 00:02:52,760 Speaker 1: but effective. Might be a pain to clean up all 45 00:02:52,760 --> 00:02:55,520 Speaker 1: the turned over garbage cans on the factory floor, but 46 00:02:55,919 --> 00:03:00,480 Speaker 1: they're natural born night shift workers. This week you've got 47 00:03:00,639 --> 00:03:04,880 Speaker 1: Senate Public Land sales, mushroom Killer, Mounta Lions, and so 48 00:03:05,160 --> 00:03:06,840 Speaker 1: much more. But first, I'm going to tell you about 49 00:03:06,840 --> 00:03:10,760 Speaker 1: my week. In my week, if I'm being totally honest, 50 00:03:11,000 --> 00:03:14,160 Speaker 1: I got crushed by the flu. Then I got crushed 51 00:03:14,360 --> 00:03:18,160 Speaker 1: by the news out of the Senate Natural Resources and 52 00:03:18,360 --> 00:03:23,000 Speaker 1: Energy Committee, chaired by Mike Lee. I'm currently sitting in 53 00:03:23,400 --> 00:03:27,400 Speaker 1: absolutely fantastic place. Well, I'm sitting in my truck, which 54 00:03:27,720 --> 00:03:31,120 Speaker 1: is a great place too, but I'm parked at the 55 00:03:31,200 --> 00:03:36,040 Speaker 1: Teller Wildlife Refuge, run these days by a good buddy, mine, 56 00:03:36,160 --> 00:03:41,240 Speaker 1: Dan Bailey. Teller is hosting our field to table dinner, 57 00:03:41,320 --> 00:03:45,280 Speaker 1: which is as fancy as BHA gets. It's a seated 58 00:03:45,720 --> 00:03:49,280 Speaker 1: fundraiser dinner for backcountry hunters and anglers, and it's the 59 00:03:49,480 --> 00:03:53,240 Speaker 1: most unique meal in America. Got a bunch of volunteer, 60 00:03:53,640 --> 00:03:58,560 Speaker 1: highly skilled chefs who look all year long in preparation 61 00:03:58,720 --> 00:04:03,960 Speaker 1: for this dinner, almost exclusively foraged ingredients from all over 62 00:04:04,000 --> 00:04:08,240 Speaker 1: the place, including game. Yeah, it's a ticketed event. You 63 00:04:08,320 --> 00:04:11,960 Speaker 1: pay some cash, and it's gorgeous out here at the 64 00:04:12,000 --> 00:04:17,200 Speaker 1: Teller refuged barn, and the food is incredible. It's so 65 00:04:17,480 --> 00:04:20,599 Speaker 1: incredible that I don't partake in the actual eating. I 66 00:04:20,720 --> 00:04:25,560 Speaker 1: volunteer and serve folks and make sure people are happy 67 00:04:25,600 --> 00:04:29,560 Speaker 1: and enjoying themselves. So before I get in there and 68 00:04:29,800 --> 00:04:32,960 Speaker 1: do what I just said, I got to record this podcast. 69 00:04:33,040 --> 00:04:36,680 Speaker 1: Don't have to, but in times like these, friends and neighbors, 70 00:04:37,320 --> 00:04:41,640 Speaker 1: I feel like we are providing a service. And before 71 00:04:41,640 --> 00:04:44,320 Speaker 1: we get into like the news news of this, I 72 00:04:44,360 --> 00:04:48,040 Speaker 1: got to tell you what's been going on here a 73 00:04:48,120 --> 00:04:51,640 Speaker 1: long time now. We've been talking about like how amazing 74 00:04:52,080 --> 00:04:57,320 Speaker 1: North America is right with our public model of wildlife management, 75 00:04:57,400 --> 00:05:01,520 Speaker 1: our public access to public life. It is literally the 76 00:05:01,680 --> 00:05:06,040 Speaker 1: envy of the world. I have many many emails and 77 00:05:06,120 --> 00:05:11,080 Speaker 1: messages from listeners of this show in countries outside of 78 00:05:11,240 --> 00:05:16,160 Speaker 1: the United States and Canada who regularly write in and say, hey, 79 00:05:16,680 --> 00:05:19,720 Speaker 1: do you guys not understand what you have? How could 80 00:05:19,760 --> 00:05:23,679 Speaker 1: anybody want to mess this up? Right now? The news 81 00:05:23,680 --> 00:05:27,240 Speaker 1: that we got out of the Energy and Natural Resources 82 00:05:27,360 --> 00:05:30,520 Speaker 1: Committee is just way worse than we thought it would be. 83 00:05:31,000 --> 00:05:34,720 Speaker 1: It includes the the mandatory sale of over two and 84 00:05:34,760 --> 00:05:37,880 Speaker 1: a half million acres of land, possibly higher in a 85 00:05:37,920 --> 00:05:42,520 Speaker 1: bunch of Western states the areas that they're talking about. Okay, 86 00:05:43,080 --> 00:05:48,400 Speaker 1: there are places where the American public can regularly go 87 00:05:48,960 --> 00:05:53,760 Speaker 1: and enjoy good old fashioned American freedom and adventure on 88 00:05:53,880 --> 00:05:57,520 Speaker 1: public land, right. We're not talking about like the places 89 00:05:57,520 --> 00:06:03,280 Speaker 1: that take technical skill or or backcountry airstrips or mules 90 00:06:03,720 --> 00:06:07,360 Speaker 1: or skis. This is something that you can pull over 91 00:06:07,400 --> 00:06:10,080 Speaker 1: on the side of the road and enjoy. It's where 92 00:06:10,120 --> 00:06:13,240 Speaker 1: people take off after work to get a little bit 93 00:06:13,279 --> 00:06:15,520 Speaker 1: of fishing in or a little bit of turkey hunting in, 94 00:06:15,720 --> 00:06:18,839 Speaker 1: or bear hunting or deer hunting, or get out before 95 00:06:18,920 --> 00:06:22,039 Speaker 1: work or go out for a run at lunch, or 96 00:06:22,120 --> 00:06:25,159 Speaker 1: run the dog or work the dog, or site in 97 00:06:25,240 --> 00:06:30,839 Speaker 1: the rifle in preparation for the upcoming season. We're busy, folks. 98 00:06:30,880 --> 00:06:34,440 Speaker 1: We need easy access to this stuff as much as 99 00:06:34,480 --> 00:06:38,240 Speaker 1: we need the big, untrammeled backcountry stuff that you know, 100 00:06:38,960 --> 00:06:42,560 Speaker 1: I got a big soft spot for as well. The 101 00:06:42,680 --> 00:06:47,760 Speaker 1: land sales are an assault on front country. And what 102 00:06:47,839 --> 00:06:51,040 Speaker 1: everybody needs to be thinking right now is if the 103 00:06:51,080 --> 00:06:54,320 Speaker 1: front country goes away, gets sold off to the highest bidder, 104 00:06:54,839 --> 00:06:58,119 Speaker 1: and there are carve outs in this language, and listen, gang, 105 00:06:58,440 --> 00:07:01,240 Speaker 1: don't believe me. Don't believe a freaking word I say. 106 00:07:02,240 --> 00:07:06,279 Speaker 1: Go and read this document. It is out there for 107 00:07:06,360 --> 00:07:08,600 Speaker 1: everybody to see. You can see it at the Federal 108 00:07:08,640 --> 00:07:11,480 Speaker 1: Register dot gov, or you can go to the Meat 109 00:07:11,520 --> 00:07:15,400 Speaker 1: Eater website and hit the link and read the full document. Okay, 110 00:07:15,880 --> 00:07:19,560 Speaker 1: there are carve outs in here that are very specific 111 00:07:19,880 --> 00:07:25,360 Speaker 1: to large landowners and their ability to purchase more than 112 00:07:25,920 --> 00:07:31,480 Speaker 1: anybody else outside of state government or local government, which 113 00:07:31,520 --> 00:07:35,040 Speaker 1: is not defined by the way in this document. So 114 00:07:35,200 --> 00:07:37,960 Speaker 1: if you're thinking that you're on equal footing and maybe 115 00:07:37,960 --> 00:07:40,440 Speaker 1: being like, oh yeah, public land sales, that sucks, but 116 00:07:40,480 --> 00:07:43,600 Speaker 1: you're trying to get your affairs in order so you 117 00:07:43,640 --> 00:07:47,880 Speaker 1: can purchase a chunk of America, well guess what gang 118 00:07:48,520 --> 00:07:51,920 Speaker 1: deck is. So stacked against you, and it's right there 119 00:07:51,920 --> 00:07:55,560 Speaker 1: in the language of this bill. We're getting the wool 120 00:07:55,880 --> 00:07:59,840 Speaker 1: pulled over our eyes. Do not sit back and let 121 00:08:00,120 --> 00:08:03,080 Speaker 1: somebody try to fix this for you. You've got to pick 122 00:08:03,160 --> 00:08:06,080 Speaker 1: up the phone and call your senator, call your congress 123 00:08:06,080 --> 00:08:10,600 Speaker 1: people and tell them that, hey, you can understand some 124 00:08:10,760 --> 00:08:14,080 Speaker 1: land sales, but that has got to happen through the 125 00:08:14,120 --> 00:08:18,360 Speaker 1: processes that we have in place, namely FLIPMA Federal Land 126 00:08:18,400 --> 00:08:22,960 Speaker 1: Policy Management Act, not in the budget process, and sure 127 00:08:23,040 --> 00:08:27,680 Speaker 1: shit can't be mandatory. Sorry little nippers for cussing there, 128 00:08:27,760 --> 00:08:29,920 Speaker 1: but a little fired up, I'm gonna get on with 129 00:08:29,960 --> 00:08:34,040 Speaker 1: the news. That's my opinion again. Don't believe me. Go 130 00:08:34,160 --> 00:08:37,839 Speaker 1: read this document. It is straight from the mouths of 131 00:08:37,880 --> 00:08:41,880 Speaker 1: our elected officials, and you got to read it, ingest it, 132 00:08:42,440 --> 00:08:44,720 Speaker 1: and then get on the horn and tell people what 133 00:08:44,800 --> 00:08:47,360 Speaker 1: you think about it. You gotta do it. It's up 134 00:08:47,360 --> 00:08:50,760 Speaker 1: to us. Also, you know, I got to tell you, man, 135 00:08:51,360 --> 00:08:54,960 Speaker 1: while I'm sitting here outside of this amazing BHA function. 136 00:08:55,640 --> 00:08:58,640 Speaker 1: Become a member of Backcountry Hunters and Anglers. What you 137 00:08:58,800 --> 00:09:01,840 Speaker 1: get for the low low price of your membership, which 138 00:09:01,880 --> 00:09:04,480 Speaker 1: I still think is like thirty bucks or thirty five bucks. 139 00:09:05,120 --> 00:09:10,520 Speaker 1: You get representation, You get somebody in the room saying, hey, 140 00:09:11,080 --> 00:09:14,800 Speaker 1: our membership does not agree with this. Let's work to 141 00:09:14,840 --> 00:09:18,600 Speaker 1: find a better solution, right, which is very important when 142 00:09:18,600 --> 00:09:20,800 Speaker 1: we all have jobs and we can't be in that 143 00:09:20,880 --> 00:09:24,320 Speaker 1: room as many days as it takes. One of the 144 00:09:24,320 --> 00:09:29,000 Speaker 1: many benefits. Moving on to the public land desk gets 145 00:09:29,080 --> 00:09:34,720 Speaker 1: deja vu all over again again. A mere three weeks 146 00:09:34,720 --> 00:09:37,720 Speaker 1: after Hunters and Anglers in Conservation has successfully defeated a 147 00:09:37,720 --> 00:09:40,400 Speaker 1: provision in the US House that would have sold five 148 00:09:40,520 --> 00:09:43,920 Speaker 1: hundred thousand acres of public land, an even worse amendment 149 00:09:44,040 --> 00:09:46,240 Speaker 1: was added to the Senate version of the One Big 150 00:09:46,280 --> 00:09:50,400 Speaker 1: Beautiful Budget Bill, spearheaded by Utah Senator Mike Lee, a 151 00:09:50,480 --> 00:09:54,360 Speaker 1: longtime opponent of federal public land. The Senate selloff could 152 00:09:54,400 --> 00:09:57,400 Speaker 1: put as many as three million acres on the auction block. 153 00:09:57,720 --> 00:10:01,120 Speaker 1: The proposal takes Senator Lee's Houses, a bill he has 154 00:10:01,160 --> 00:10:04,160 Speaker 1: tried and failed to pass in Congress the last three years, 155 00:10:04,400 --> 00:10:07,880 Speaker 1: and applies it to eleven Western states. It purports to 156 00:10:07,920 --> 00:10:12,440 Speaker 1: solve housing shortages by expediting the process of selling public 157 00:10:12,520 --> 00:10:15,840 Speaker 1: land to build affordable housing. Previous versions of the bill, 158 00:10:16,000 --> 00:10:19,720 Speaker 1: which again failed to even be considered on multiple occasions, 159 00:10:20,040 --> 00:10:23,800 Speaker 1: would have allowed any state or local government to nominate 160 00:10:23,960 --> 00:10:27,520 Speaker 1: land to sell, but this one would only allow BLM 161 00:10:27,600 --> 00:10:34,000 Speaker 1: and Forest Service land to be sold in Alaska, Arizona, California, Colorado, Idaho, Nevada, 162 00:10:34,280 --> 00:10:39,160 Speaker 1: New Mexico, Oregon, Utah, Washington, and Wyoming. It also protects 163 00:10:39,160 --> 00:10:43,520 Speaker 1: certain federal lands from disposal, including national parks, national monuments, 164 00:10:43,559 --> 00:10:48,120 Speaker 1: and National wildlife refuges. However, unlike previous versions of this bill, 165 00:10:48,360 --> 00:10:53,520 Speaker 1: this one requires the sale of between point five percent 166 00:10:53,880 --> 00:10:58,520 Speaker 1: zero point seventy five percent of BLM and Forest Service land. 167 00:10:58,760 --> 00:11:03,120 Speaker 1: The percentages aren't enormous, but the actual acreage between two 168 00:11:03,200 --> 00:11:07,439 Speaker 1: and three million acres, dwarfs the five hundred thousand acre 169 00:11:07,520 --> 00:11:10,480 Speaker 1: threat that we had in the House. What's more, the 170 00:11:10,520 --> 00:11:14,520 Speaker 1: bill doesn't just prioritize small tracts of land around existing 171 00:11:14,600 --> 00:11:18,800 Speaker 1: metropolitan or suburban areas where you might consider building homes. 172 00:11:19,120 --> 00:11:21,439 Speaker 1: In the list of land that should be given priority 173 00:11:21,480 --> 00:11:25,760 Speaker 1: consideration are isolated tracks that are inefficient to manage. The 174 00:11:25,760 --> 00:11:29,800 Speaker 1: bill does not explain which parcels count as quote inefficient. 175 00:11:30,160 --> 00:11:33,160 Speaker 1: The bill requires the party interested in purchasing the land 176 00:11:33,240 --> 00:11:36,520 Speaker 1: to explain how it will address local housing needs. As 177 00:11:36,559 --> 00:11:40,680 Speaker 1: well as any associated community needs. These needs presumably could 178 00:11:40,720 --> 00:11:43,480 Speaker 1: be anything from a new grocery store to, in the 179 00:11:43,480 --> 00:11:48,440 Speaker 1: case of those inefficient lands, wildfire mitigation. In most ways, 180 00:11:48,679 --> 00:11:51,120 Speaker 1: the bill is worse for public land advocates than the 181 00:11:51,160 --> 00:11:54,320 Speaker 1: House version, but it's the same in one respect. The 182 00:11:54,360 --> 00:11:56,679 Speaker 1: money generated from these lands will go straight to the 183 00:11:56,760 --> 00:12:01,439 Speaker 1: US Treasury, not to conservation or expanding public land holdings. Elsewhere, 184 00:12:02,000 --> 00:12:05,600 Speaker 1: there is a five percent of revenue set aside for 185 00:12:05,840 --> 00:12:10,080 Speaker 1: state or local government. Again, that doesn't look super straightforward 186 00:12:10,120 --> 00:12:12,560 Speaker 1: to me. Read the bill, let me know what you think. 187 00:12:13,400 --> 00:12:16,240 Speaker 1: Senator Lee justified these sales in a video posted to 188 00:12:16,280 --> 00:12:20,120 Speaker 1: social media. He described as quote not fair, the fact 189 00:12:20,160 --> 00:12:23,800 Speaker 1: that seventy percent of Utah is federal land. He said, quote, 190 00:12:23,840 --> 00:12:27,640 Speaker 1: it's not serving the Americans who actually live here. We're 191 00:12:27,679 --> 00:12:32,080 Speaker 1: opening under used federal land to expand housing, support local government, 192 00:12:32,280 --> 00:12:35,920 Speaker 1: support local development, and get Washington d C out of 193 00:12:35,960 --> 00:12:38,520 Speaker 1: the way of communities that are just trying to grow. 194 00:12:38,920 --> 00:12:41,360 Speaker 1: He also tried to assure hunters and anglers that they 195 00:12:41,360 --> 00:12:44,479 Speaker 1: won't be losing the land that they love, but that quote, 196 00:12:44,559 --> 00:12:48,400 Speaker 1: Washington has proven it can't manage this land. This bill 197 00:12:48,440 --> 00:12:51,760 Speaker 1: puts it in better hands. You may have noticed that 198 00:12:51,800 --> 00:12:54,880 Speaker 1: Montana is notably absent from the list of states where 199 00:12:54,920 --> 00:12:58,360 Speaker 1: public land will be sold. Montana Senators Steve Danes and 200 00:12:58,360 --> 00:13:01,840 Speaker 1: Tim Sehey have both public opposed public land sales. A 201 00:13:01,880 --> 00:13:05,440 Speaker 1: spokesperson for Senator Danes told us previously that he quote 202 00:13:05,480 --> 00:13:09,080 Speaker 1: always and will always oppose the sale of public lands. 203 00:13:09,400 --> 00:13:12,280 Speaker 1: You might say that Senators Danes and Chihi are just 204 00:13:12,320 --> 00:13:15,360 Speaker 1: doing their jobs and advocating for the wishes of their constituents. 205 00:13:15,640 --> 00:13:18,800 Speaker 1: But you might also say that they're ducking their responsibility 206 00:13:18,840 --> 00:13:21,800 Speaker 1: as public land advocates and selling all the other Western 207 00:13:21,800 --> 00:13:25,199 Speaker 1: states down the river. So what can you do? There 208 00:13:25,280 --> 00:13:27,520 Speaker 1: is still time to amend the bill before it passes 209 00:13:27,559 --> 00:13:31,280 Speaker 1: the Senate. Contact Senate Majority Leader John Thune and ask 210 00:13:31,360 --> 00:13:33,800 Speaker 1: him to remove the land sale language before it goes 211 00:13:33,840 --> 00:13:36,600 Speaker 1: to the floor for a vote. You should also contact 212 00:13:36,640 --> 00:13:40,520 Speaker 1: your senators and representatives in the US House, especially if 213 00:13:40,520 --> 00:13:43,080 Speaker 1: they're a member of the Public Land Caucus. The members 214 00:13:43,120 --> 00:13:45,480 Speaker 1: of the Caucus know that we're watching them, and we 215 00:13:45,520 --> 00:13:47,800 Speaker 1: expect them to honor their words and vote against this 216 00:13:47,960 --> 00:13:51,640 Speaker 1: bill if it retains public land sales. You did it once, 217 00:13:52,120 --> 00:13:55,280 Speaker 1: Do it again. Come on, gang, We're rooting for you, 218 00:13:55,720 --> 00:13:59,480 Speaker 1: and we need heroes. Now. I want to circle back 219 00:13:59,559 --> 00:14:02,720 Speaker 1: and dry your attention to something that you will hear often. 220 00:14:03,640 --> 00:14:07,880 Speaker 1: That land isn't serving a purpose, that land is under used. 221 00:14:08,559 --> 00:14:13,719 Speaker 1: Washington has proven it can't manage this land gang. You know, 222 00:14:14,080 --> 00:14:16,800 Speaker 1: if you're listening to this, if you have the magical 223 00:14:16,840 --> 00:14:20,080 Speaker 1: ability to drive a vehicle and listen to this podcast 224 00:14:20,440 --> 00:14:24,160 Speaker 1: punch stuff into the Google machine, then you know for 225 00:14:24,200 --> 00:14:29,200 Speaker 1: a fact that broad statements like that can be partially true, 226 00:14:29,440 --> 00:14:33,840 Speaker 1: but they are seldom wholly true. How many of you 227 00:14:33,920 --> 00:14:37,360 Speaker 1: listening to this have been in some absolute kick ass, 228 00:14:37,560 --> 00:14:42,320 Speaker 1: amazing chunks of public land. Raise your proverbial hands. I 229 00:14:42,400 --> 00:14:45,560 Speaker 1: sure have. I've been on some chunks of public that 230 00:14:45,880 --> 00:14:49,320 Speaker 1: would just break your heart over how pretty they are 231 00:14:49,640 --> 00:14:53,160 Speaker 1: and how much game they have available. You wouldn't trade 232 00:14:53,320 --> 00:14:57,120 Speaker 1: that chunk of public for a private estate darn near anywhere, 233 00:14:57,240 --> 00:15:01,680 Speaker 1: I absolutely promise you, and those places exaist. Okay, because 234 00:15:01,720 --> 00:15:04,640 Speaker 1: Senator Lee can't see it, that doesn't mean it's not 235 00:15:04,800 --> 00:15:09,120 Speaker 1: valuable and it's not doing its job. We need big, 236 00:15:09,560 --> 00:15:14,480 Speaker 1: wide open spaces that quote unquote are underused in order 237 00:15:14,800 --> 00:15:18,480 Speaker 1: to matriculate all of our water down into the ground. 238 00:15:18,960 --> 00:15:22,600 Speaker 1: So all these houses and new housing developments can suck 239 00:15:22,640 --> 00:15:25,720 Speaker 1: them up. That's just one example, and the list goes 240 00:15:25,760 --> 00:15:32,160 Speaker 1: on and on and on. Carbon sequestration, clean air, mental health. 241 00:15:32,640 --> 00:15:36,080 Speaker 1: My goodness, let's not shoot ourselves in the foot. I'm 242 00:15:36,080 --> 00:15:39,080 Speaker 1: gonna get off this bully pulpit of mine. But gang, 243 00:15:39,120 --> 00:15:42,760 Speaker 1: you know the drill. I trust you call righte in, 244 00:15:43,240 --> 00:15:50,680 Speaker 1: make it happen, and we're gonna move on. An Australian 245 00:15:50,720 --> 00:15:53,080 Speaker 1: woman is on trial for killing three people in what 246 00:15:53,160 --> 00:15:57,080 Speaker 1: she says was a horrible mushroom foraging accident. Fifty year 247 00:15:57,080 --> 00:16:00,200 Speaker 1: old Aaron Patterson has pled not guilty to murdering her 248 00:16:00,240 --> 00:16:02,840 Speaker 1: seventy year old in laws and another sixty six year 249 00:16:02,880 --> 00:16:06,120 Speaker 1: old relative by feeding them death cat mushrooms in a 250 00:16:06,160 --> 00:16:09,520 Speaker 1: beef wellington. The fateful meal went down in Patterson's home 251 00:16:09,560 --> 00:16:12,680 Speaker 1: in Victoria in twenty twenty three. Patterson told The Jerry 252 00:16:12,720 --> 00:16:15,000 Speaker 1: that she had been foraging during COVID and that she 253 00:16:15,320 --> 00:16:18,240 Speaker 1: liked the taste of wild mushrooms because they had quote 254 00:16:18,320 --> 00:16:21,480 Speaker 1: more flavor. She said the vast majority of the dried 255 00:16:21,560 --> 00:16:24,080 Speaker 1: mushrooms that went into the beef Wellington had come from 256 00:16:24,120 --> 00:16:26,720 Speaker 1: the store, but she also said she keeps both wild 257 00:16:26,840 --> 00:16:29,440 Speaker 1: and store bought mushrooms in the same container, so it's 258 00:16:29,520 --> 00:16:33,080 Speaker 1: possible a bad shroom she foraged weeks ago got accidentally 259 00:16:33,200 --> 00:16:36,360 Speaker 1: included in the dish. The prosecution, on the other hand, 260 00:16:36,440 --> 00:16:39,600 Speaker 1: presented evidence that showed a person using a computer found 261 00:16:39,600 --> 00:16:43,359 Speaker 1: in Aaron Patterson's home had conducted searches for deathcap mushrooms 262 00:16:43,640 --> 00:16:48,280 Speaker 1: on ianaturalist dot com. Patterson says she doesn't remember whether 263 00:16:48,320 --> 00:16:50,720 Speaker 1: she reached out for that or not, but it could 264 00:16:50,760 --> 00:16:53,280 Speaker 1: have been one of her kids. Part of the reason 265 00:16:53,320 --> 00:16:56,120 Speaker 1: officials are suspicious of Patterson's claims is because she was 266 00:16:56,120 --> 00:16:59,120 Speaker 1: a strange from her husband, whose parents she killed. She 267 00:16:59,280 --> 00:17:02,600 Speaker 1: separated from her husband in twenty fifteen, but more recently 268 00:17:02,640 --> 00:17:06,200 Speaker 1: began having financial conflicts with him in twenty twenty two. 269 00:17:06,240 --> 00:17:10,040 Speaker 1: Reporting from the trial, the BBC said prosecution showed explative 270 00:17:10,119 --> 00:17:12,800 Speaker 1: laden texts between Patterson and her friends in which she 271 00:17:12,920 --> 00:17:16,720 Speaker 1: criticized her husband and her in laws. Patterson countered those 272 00:17:16,760 --> 00:17:20,240 Speaker 1: texts were just her venting her frustration, and she maintained 273 00:17:20,280 --> 00:17:23,080 Speaker 1: a good relationship with her in laws despite her struggles 274 00:17:23,119 --> 00:17:26,160 Speaker 1: with her husband. She reportedly became emotional on the stand, 275 00:17:26,160 --> 00:17:28,800 Speaker 1: describing how much cared for the couple. She killed, and 276 00:17:28,840 --> 00:17:32,080 Speaker 1: how she regretted saying those things. Among the other pieces 277 00:17:32,080 --> 00:17:34,760 Speaker 1: of evidence against Patterson are the fact that she tried 278 00:17:34,760 --> 00:17:37,400 Speaker 1: to throw away her mushroom dehydrator that had deaf cat 279 00:17:37,440 --> 00:17:40,679 Speaker 1: mushroom residue on it, photos of mushrooms on scales that 280 00:17:40,760 --> 00:17:43,440 Speaker 1: included death caps, and the fact that she didn't feed 281 00:17:43,440 --> 00:17:46,200 Speaker 1: the beef Wellington to her children. She had been admitted 282 00:17:46,200 --> 00:17:49,359 Speaker 1: to a hospital for poisoning, but the prosecution says she 283 00:17:49,440 --> 00:17:53,160 Speaker 1: was faking her symptoms to cover her crimes. By now, 284 00:17:53,400 --> 00:17:56,760 Speaker 1: you're probably wondering how do I identify deaf cat mushrooms 285 00:17:56,800 --> 00:17:59,920 Speaker 1: to avoid getting whacked by a beef Wellington. Producer Jordan 286 00:18:00,000 --> 00:18:02,439 Speaker 1: and Sellers googled this topic, but he would like to 287 00:18:02,440 --> 00:18:04,600 Speaker 1: go on the record as saying he has no enemies 288 00:18:04,640 --> 00:18:07,640 Speaker 1: and would never feed them to anyone on purpose. Death 289 00:18:07,680 --> 00:18:10,760 Speaker 1: cap mushrooms are white and look like other edible varieties 290 00:18:10,760 --> 00:18:14,440 Speaker 1: like paddy straw mushrooms or puffballs. They have a greenish cap, 291 00:18:14,720 --> 00:18:18,359 Speaker 1: white gills and spores, and a distinct ring on the stock. 292 00:18:18,520 --> 00:18:20,800 Speaker 1: Eating just half a death cap mushroom is enough to 293 00:18:20,880 --> 00:18:23,679 Speaker 1: kill an adult if you see one or think you do. 294 00:18:24,040 --> 00:18:27,040 Speaker 1: The Idaho Department of Health and Welfare advises plucking it 295 00:18:27,080 --> 00:18:29,760 Speaker 1: from the soil before mowing to prevent spreading it further. 296 00:18:30,040 --> 00:18:32,199 Speaker 1: You can touch them without hurting yourself, but I'd say 297 00:18:32,240 --> 00:18:34,440 Speaker 1: it's still a good idea to wear gloves. If you 298 00:18:34,480 --> 00:18:37,240 Speaker 1: ever worry you or someone else has consumed a death cap, 299 00:18:37,560 --> 00:18:41,000 Speaker 1: seek medical attention right away. Early symptoms of poisoning are 300 00:18:41,040 --> 00:18:45,720 Speaker 1: persistent and violent vomiting, abdominal pain, and profuse watery diarrhea 301 00:18:45,760 --> 00:18:48,879 Speaker 1: six to twenty four hours after eating the mushroom or symptoms. 302 00:18:49,119 --> 00:18:52,200 Speaker 1: These symptoms generally last a few hours, after which there 303 00:18:52,240 --> 00:18:54,800 Speaker 1: is an apparent recovery with no symptoms for a few days. 304 00:18:55,119 --> 00:18:59,160 Speaker 1: Then jaundice, loss of strength, coma, and death can occur 305 00:18:59,240 --> 00:19:03,400 Speaker 1: from liver fail and kidney failure. Anyone for a mushroom 306 00:19:03,400 --> 00:19:10,359 Speaker 1: pizza Mamia? Moving on to the kiddy desk. The first 307 00:19:10,400 --> 00:19:13,959 Speaker 1: time in modern history, Mountlon kittens have been documented and 308 00:19:14,119 --> 00:19:20,800 Speaker 1: confirmed by biologists in the wild in Oklahoma, non zoo kidneys. 309 00:19:21,359 --> 00:19:23,960 Speaker 1: The Sooner State has seen an increase in cougar sightings 310 00:19:23,960 --> 00:19:27,200 Speaker 1: in recent years, and not just in swanky casinos around 311 00:19:27,240 --> 00:19:31,080 Speaker 1: Oklahoma City. No, we're talking the big cat type of cougar. 312 00:19:31,359 --> 00:19:34,920 Speaker 1: And now the Oklahoma Department of Wildlife Conservation has photographic 313 00:19:34,960 --> 00:19:37,960 Speaker 1: evidence that they're reproducing in the state. The images, which 314 00:19:37,960 --> 00:19:40,680 Speaker 1: you can see on the agency's website, show two kittens 315 00:19:40,720 --> 00:19:44,040 Speaker 1: in Osage County in October twenty twenty four and three 316 00:19:44,080 --> 00:19:47,280 Speaker 1: more kittens in Cimarron County in December twenty twenty four. 317 00:19:47,600 --> 00:19:50,119 Speaker 1: Both were captured by trail camera that had been placed 318 00:19:50,160 --> 00:19:53,800 Speaker 1: by a private landowner, So two cheers for citizen science. 319 00:19:54,400 --> 00:19:59,119 Speaker 1: ODFW furbearer biologists Jared Davis called the photos quote exciting 320 00:19:59,200 --> 00:20:02,359 Speaker 1: and interesting, but caution that they are just one small 321 00:20:02,359 --> 00:20:06,240 Speaker 1: piece of the puzzle needed to better understand this species. Historically, 322 00:20:06,280 --> 00:20:09,920 Speaker 1: Oklahoma is mountain lion territory. In fact, the species range 323 00:20:09,960 --> 00:20:13,360 Speaker 1: once extended across the entire lower forty eight. However, as 324 00:20:13,400 --> 00:20:17,200 Speaker 1: Europeans settled North America, they extirpated mount lions in much 325 00:20:17,200 --> 00:20:20,280 Speaker 1: of the Northeast and Midwest by the late nineteenth century, 326 00:20:20,480 --> 00:20:24,560 Speaker 1: though populations persisted in the West and Florida. In recent years, 327 00:20:24,560 --> 00:20:27,960 Speaker 1: though anecdotal evidence indicated that mount lions have been spreading 328 00:20:28,000 --> 00:20:31,159 Speaker 1: from Western populations back into parts of the Midwest. A 329 00:20:31,200 --> 00:20:35,359 Speaker 1: recent study by Tufts University researchers confirmed suspicions that Mount 330 00:20:35,440 --> 00:20:39,560 Speaker 1: Lion Range is likely expanding to several Midwestern states, including 331 00:20:39,560 --> 00:20:43,880 Speaker 1: North Dakota, South Dakota, Nebraska, Minnesota, and Wisconsin. The same 332 00:20:43,920 --> 00:20:46,920 Speaker 1: appears to be true for Oklahoma. Prior to the photographic 333 00:20:46,960 --> 00:20:49,919 Speaker 1: evidence of two breeding pairs, confirmed sightings have been on 334 00:20:49,960 --> 00:20:52,240 Speaker 1: the rise in the state for the past eight years, 335 00:20:52,520 --> 00:20:56,159 Speaker 1: peaking at nineteen in twenty twenty three, which is up 336 00:20:56,200 --> 00:21:01,040 Speaker 1: from zero in twenty sixteen. Residents, including many mentors underneath 337 00:21:01,040 --> 00:21:04,399 Speaker 1: the Facebook post announcing the kitten photos, have long suspected 338 00:21:04,400 --> 00:21:06,960 Speaker 1: that breeding pairs of lions are living in the state. 339 00:21:07,280 --> 00:21:10,640 Speaker 1: The Wildlife Agency has been more cautious about those claims, 340 00:21:10,840 --> 00:21:14,080 Speaker 1: but these photographs will likely force them to start developing 341 00:21:14,160 --> 00:21:17,560 Speaker 1: a more robust plan for how to manage this new species. 342 00:21:19,080 --> 00:21:24,119 Speaker 1: Moving on to the wolf desk. Wolves were extirpated from 343 00:21:24,200 --> 00:21:26,800 Speaker 1: Japan in nineteen not five, but there's been a recent 344 00:21:26,800 --> 00:21:29,280 Speaker 1: push to bring them back big thanks to listener Dan 345 00:21:29,359 --> 00:21:33,200 Speaker 1: Brow for sending us this story. Much like in the US, 346 00:21:33,320 --> 00:21:37,760 Speaker 1: Japan's human population has urbanized in recent decades, since rural 347 00:21:37,800 --> 00:21:40,640 Speaker 1: residents tend to hunt at higher rates than city slickers. 348 00:21:40,920 --> 00:21:44,080 Speaker 1: Populations of deer, wild boar, and monkeys have risen. These 349 00:21:44,119 --> 00:21:47,439 Speaker 1: gritters damage crops and native plant species, and some believe 350 00:21:47,480 --> 00:21:50,280 Speaker 1: reintroducing wolves is a good way to restore balance to 351 00:21:50,320 --> 00:21:54,080 Speaker 1: the ecosystem. The Japan Wolf Association has been around since 352 00:21:54,119 --> 00:21:56,840 Speaker 1: nineteen ninety three, and they told the South China Morning 353 00:21:56,840 --> 00:21:59,440 Speaker 1: Posts that they would like to see small scale reintroduction 354 00:21:59,480 --> 00:22:02,359 Speaker 1: efforts in remote regions of the country. They'd like to 355 00:22:02,400 --> 00:22:06,359 Speaker 1: import wolves from China for the main islands of Hanshu, Shikoku, 356 00:22:06,480 --> 00:22:10,119 Speaker 1: and Kyushu, and a more hearty species from Siberia for 357 00:22:10,160 --> 00:22:15,119 Speaker 1: the most northerly Maine island of Hokkaido. While introducing natural 358 00:22:15,160 --> 00:22:18,479 Speaker 1: predators can help balance an ecosystem, this idea may not 359 00:22:18,600 --> 00:22:22,000 Speaker 1: pass muster with Japan's human occupants. That's because, as we've 360 00:22:22,080 --> 00:22:24,720 Speaker 1: reported on this podcast, the country has seen a spike 361 00:22:24,800 --> 00:22:27,280 Speaker 1: in bear attacks in recent years. Last year saw a 362 00:22:27,320 --> 00:22:30,160 Speaker 1: record two hundred and nineteen bear attacks, six of which 363 00:22:30,200 --> 00:22:33,400 Speaker 1: were fatal. Wildlife officials believe the bears are becoming less 364 00:22:33,400 --> 00:22:37,399 Speaker 1: fearful of humans as hunting participation declines in urban sprawl 365 00:22:37,440 --> 00:22:41,760 Speaker 1: makes for more bear human interaction. Wolf attacks are extremely rare, 366 00:22:41,880 --> 00:22:44,520 Speaker 1: but it seems unlikely that those city dwellers will be 367 00:22:44,640 --> 00:22:47,760 Speaker 1: keen on importing another predator with sharp teeth and a 368 00:22:47,800 --> 00:22:52,200 Speaker 1: scary reputation. Moving back to the land of the Free year, 369 00:22:52,280 --> 00:22:55,879 Speaker 1: Arizona wildlife officials are hearing it from protectionist groups for 370 00:22:55,960 --> 00:22:59,000 Speaker 1: capturing a family of Mexican gray wolves in the southeastern 371 00:22:59,040 --> 00:23:02,359 Speaker 1: portion of the state. Landowners in the area reported several 372 00:23:02,400 --> 00:23:06,120 Speaker 1: cases of wolves predating on livestock, so the Arizona Game 373 00:23:06,119 --> 00:23:08,840 Speaker 1: and Fish Department sent out range riders to deter the 374 00:23:08,840 --> 00:23:11,960 Speaker 1: wolves from killing cattle. But the ongoing drought is making 375 00:23:12,040 --> 00:23:16,280 Speaker 1: natural prey scarce, so officials knew that probably wouldn't be sufficient. 376 00:23:16,600 --> 00:23:19,400 Speaker 1: Instead of killing the wolves, they opted to capture them instead. 377 00:23:19,640 --> 00:23:21,920 Speaker 1: They found the den where a female had recently given 378 00:23:21,960 --> 00:23:24,399 Speaker 1: birth to three puppies. All of the puppies appeared to 379 00:23:24,440 --> 00:23:26,879 Speaker 1: be underweight, but one was doing so poorly that it 380 00:23:26,920 --> 00:23:29,600 Speaker 1: had to be euthanized. But the other two puppies, along 381 00:23:29,600 --> 00:23:31,720 Speaker 1: with a female and a male, were captured and brought 382 00:23:31,720 --> 00:23:35,400 Speaker 1: to a captive facility. Now you'd think animal rights groups 383 00:23:35,440 --> 00:23:38,080 Speaker 1: would be fine with this course of action. Problem wolves 384 00:23:38,119 --> 00:23:40,320 Speaker 1: were captured rather than killed, and now they're in a 385 00:23:40,320 --> 00:23:43,560 Speaker 1: position to survive the drought. But no our friends over 386 00:23:43,560 --> 00:23:46,080 Speaker 1: at the Center for Biological Diversity said that removing these 387 00:23:46,080 --> 00:23:49,640 Speaker 1: four wolves is a quote assault on ongoing recovery efforts. 388 00:23:49,960 --> 00:23:53,800 Speaker 1: They say landowners are fearmongering about livestock depredation and are 389 00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:57,399 Speaker 1: unwilling to live alongside the predators. I've known more than 390 00:23:57,440 --> 00:23:59,600 Speaker 1: a few livestock producers in my time, and I can 391 00:23:59,640 --> 00:24:01,880 Speaker 1: tell you that if they're unwilling to live with wolves, 392 00:24:02,160 --> 00:24:04,880 Speaker 1: they don't call the Game and Fish Department. I'm sure 393 00:24:04,920 --> 00:24:07,399 Speaker 1: there are some BADA actors among them, but this doesn't 394 00:24:07,400 --> 00:24:09,800 Speaker 1: seem like a good case for the CBD to get 395 00:24:09,880 --> 00:24:13,120 Speaker 1: all hot and bothered. The wolves survived and will be released. 396 00:24:13,520 --> 00:24:16,879 Speaker 1: Maybe take the win instead of hounding state officials just 397 00:24:16,920 --> 00:24:21,040 Speaker 1: trying to do their jobs. Moving on to a coyote 398 00:24:21,280 --> 00:24:26,440 Speaker 1: edition of the Legislative Desk, wildlife officials in Nevada are 399 00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:30,280 Speaker 1: considering a changed General Regulation five twenty six, which would 400 00:24:30,320 --> 00:24:34,200 Speaker 1: prohibit the use of thermal image technology in hunting. Right now, 401 00:24:34,240 --> 00:24:37,400 Speaker 1: in Nevada, it is illegal to take big game after dark, 402 00:24:37,640 --> 00:24:40,360 Speaker 1: but silver staters may hunt round the clock for coyotes 403 00:24:40,440 --> 00:24:44,280 Speaker 1: using spotlights or thermal optics. Supporters of the thermal imaging 404 00:24:44,320 --> 00:24:47,560 Speaker 1: band say the technology is an unfair advantage that violates 405 00:24:47,560 --> 00:24:50,439 Speaker 1: fair chase, and they worry that poachers use the technology 406 00:24:50,520 --> 00:24:53,879 Speaker 1: under cover of night to kill deer elk undetected. Just 407 00:24:53,960 --> 00:24:57,040 Speaker 1: think of the effects thermal optics would have had on 408 00:24:57,040 --> 00:25:01,000 Speaker 1: one of the greatest movies ever made. Predator also launched 409 00:25:01,080 --> 00:25:09,199 Speaker 1: a gubernatorial career co'm on. George four Bush of the 410 00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:13,000 Speaker 1: Nevada Predators Hunting Association gave the opposing viewpoint to Fox 411 00:25:13,040 --> 00:25:16,000 Speaker 1: five News, saying, quote, you will make the most effective 412 00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:19,719 Speaker 1: kill without wounding or losing that animal with thermal If 413 00:25:19,760 --> 00:25:22,399 Speaker 1: your night hunting off of lights, you have the opportunity 414 00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:25,320 Speaker 1: of misidentifying an animal, shooting the wrong animal, whether it 415 00:25:25,359 --> 00:25:27,879 Speaker 1: be the rancher's dog, a fox instead of a coyote, 416 00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:30,320 Speaker 1: or hitting the animal in a bad spot, and then 417 00:25:30,359 --> 00:25:32,919 Speaker 1: that animal takes off and runs away. Four Bush and 418 00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:35,560 Speaker 1: other opponents of the band are calling for better enforcement 419 00:25:35,600 --> 00:25:39,240 Speaker 1: of existing laws to punish poachers. Although public comment on 420 00:25:39,280 --> 00:25:41,720 Speaker 1: the issue will have passed by the time this episode airs, 421 00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:44,199 Speaker 1: you can still call or write to Nevada Board of 422 00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:46,920 Speaker 1: Wildlife Commissioners to make your voice heard on this issue 423 00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:51,560 Speaker 1: before it is voted on later this year. Legislators in 424 00:25:51,560 --> 00:25:55,000 Speaker 1: Michigan also have coyotes on their mind. State Senators Michelle 425 00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:58,560 Speaker 1: Hoitanga and Parker Fairbairn have drafted an amendment to the 426 00:25:58,600 --> 00:26:02,240 Speaker 1: Natural Resources and Environmental Protection Act reinstate year round hunting 427 00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:05,760 Speaker 1: of coyotes. Until recently, Mischiganders were permitted to kill coyotes 428 00:26:05,800 --> 00:26:07,919 Speaker 1: three hundred and sixty five days a year, but in 429 00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:11,719 Speaker 1: March twenty twenty four, the state's Natural Resource Commission enacted 430 00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:15,720 Speaker 1: a hiatus from April fifteen to July fifteen. The sponsors 431 00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:17,520 Speaker 1: of the bill argue that this band doesn't have a 432 00:26:17,560 --> 00:26:20,800 Speaker 1: basis in conservation science and that coyote numbers are out 433 00:26:20,800 --> 00:26:24,520 Speaker 1: of control in Michigan. Michigan United Conservation Clubs sued the 434 00:26:24,520 --> 00:26:27,480 Speaker 1: Commission earlier this year, but a judge ruled against them 435 00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:30,879 Speaker 1: last week and upheld the commission's decision. Now the legislature 436 00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:33,119 Speaker 1: is trying to take matters into their own hands. As 437 00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:35,600 Speaker 1: much as you might agree that there's no scientific reason 438 00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:37,960 Speaker 1: to end the year round take of coyotes, you have 439 00:26:38,040 --> 00:26:41,879 Speaker 1: to be cautious whenever politicians stick their noses into wildlife policy. 440 00:26:42,040 --> 00:26:44,119 Speaker 1: For those who want to weigh in, the bill, number 441 00:26:44,160 --> 00:26:49,840 Speaker 1: is SB three six six Gang I am hot and 442 00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:53,560 Speaker 1: bothered on the topic of thermals. I'll be completely straight 443 00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:56,440 Speaker 1: up with you. I do not care about the use 444 00:26:56,480 --> 00:26:59,560 Speaker 1: of thermals for coyotes and wolves. As long as we're 445 00:26:59,560 --> 00:27:02,280 Speaker 1: not poison in those creators, they're going to be just fine. 446 00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:07,440 Speaker 1: May sound callous, but that's just the truth of the matter. Additionally, 447 00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:13,480 Speaker 1: I don't know how we prevent people from locating big 448 00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:18,800 Speaker 1: game animals with thermal optics. If we don't ban thermal optics, 449 00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:21,720 Speaker 1: what is the right solution. One of the things that 450 00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:25,520 Speaker 1: I've thought about is if you possess a valid big 451 00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:29,320 Speaker 1: game tag, you can't have optics in your possession or 452 00:27:29,359 --> 00:27:32,280 Speaker 1: in the possession of anybody in your party. But then again, 453 00:27:32,320 --> 00:27:35,280 Speaker 1: you're only a cell phone call away, and every cell 454 00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:37,720 Speaker 1: phone's a sat phone from somebody who probably does have 455 00:27:37,760 --> 00:27:41,560 Speaker 1: thermal optics. It's hard, man, it is a quagmire. But 456 00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:44,520 Speaker 1: I've seen thermal optics in the field and there's just 457 00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:46,840 Speaker 1: no part of that stuff that I think belongs in 458 00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:50,959 Speaker 1: the use of big game hunting. Right in, Diane, to 459 00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:55,399 Speaker 1: know what you think, askcl that's ascal athmeeater dot com. 460 00:27:55,720 --> 00:27:59,280 Speaker 1: Thank you so much in advance for calling your duly 461 00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:02,919 Speaker 1: elected afis and telling them that this land grab is 462 00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:08,320 Speaker 1: just ourse backards. It really is. Gang. If you think 463 00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:11,400 Speaker 1: land sale should happen, then let's make sure that they 464 00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:15,520 Speaker 1: happen in the right way, through the right process, and 465 00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:19,840 Speaker 1: in a way that gives back to the conservation community 466 00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:24,479 Speaker 1: and all Americans by purchasing land of higher strategic value. 467 00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:27,679 Speaker 1: That's what we have in place. Doesn't have to be 468 00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:31,240 Speaker 1: all or nothing. Funny how that works. That's all I 469 00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:33,320 Speaker 1: got for you. Thank you so much for listening. Remember 470 00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:36,520 Speaker 1: to write in askc al Askal at the media dot 471 00:28:36,520 --> 00:28:38,560 Speaker 1: com let me know what's going on in your neck 472 00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:41,080 Speaker 1: of the woods. You know I appreciate it. Thanks again. 473 00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:42,240 Speaker 1: We'll talk to you next week.