1 00:00:00,760 --> 00:00:03,600 Speaker 1: You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox 2 00:00:03,680 --> 00:00:08,000 Speaker 1: Sports Radio. What a good morning to you? Happy? I 3 00:00:08,039 --> 00:00:10,479 Speaker 1: guess I can still say happy four the July. Right, 4 00:00:10,960 --> 00:00:14,760 Speaker 1: it's weird, Ryan Hollins, Doug Gottlieb in for Dan and 5 00:00:14,800 --> 00:00:16,280 Speaker 1: the Dan As. We've got a lot of we got 6 00:00:16,320 --> 00:00:18,639 Speaker 1: some la news when we want to get to obviously, 7 00:00:18,640 --> 00:00:22,160 Speaker 1: the NBA Finals are set. People continue to talk about 8 00:00:22,800 --> 00:00:27,560 Speaker 1: weed and the Olympics. But it is fourth July is 9 00:00:27,600 --> 00:00:30,440 Speaker 1: an interesting holiday, right Ryan? But where I mean, I 10 00:00:30,480 --> 00:00:32,720 Speaker 1: guess you can you still wish somebody happy for the July? 11 00:00:32,800 --> 00:00:34,280 Speaker 1: Do is that it's not really I don't know. It 12 00:00:34,720 --> 00:00:37,200 Speaker 1: does seem like a one day only holiday, although today 13 00:00:37,320 --> 00:00:40,720 Speaker 1: is technically a federal holiday because the day after the 14 00:00:40,760 --> 00:00:42,720 Speaker 1: fourth July. So happy for July. I don't know if 15 00:00:42,720 --> 00:00:44,599 Speaker 1: it's belated or if I can just say it outright 16 00:00:46,360 --> 00:00:49,479 Speaker 1: appreciate it. DEA think I'm overthinking this thing, That's what 17 00:00:49,640 --> 00:00:52,080 Speaker 1: I really. I think I'm getting too. All right, let's 18 00:00:52,200 --> 00:00:56,279 Speaker 1: let's obviously like you're a fastball for you. Right down 19 00:00:56,320 --> 00:00:59,480 Speaker 1: the middle is the NBA Finals and we have the 20 00:00:59,520 --> 00:01:04,480 Speaker 1: Bucks against the Suns, and I guess the Bucks prove 21 00:01:04,560 --> 00:01:07,080 Speaker 1: they can win without they win two games without Jannis, 22 00:01:07,280 --> 00:01:11,000 Speaker 1: The Suns win two games without Chris Paul, and yet 23 00:01:11,040 --> 00:01:13,480 Speaker 1: the billing for the NBA Finals is going to be 24 00:01:14,080 --> 00:01:16,679 Speaker 1: Yanna is finally trying to win a championship, Chris Paul 25 00:01:16,760 --> 00:01:19,479 Speaker 1: trying to win a championship when the teams just showed 26 00:01:19,480 --> 00:01:23,319 Speaker 1: they can win without their stars in their conference final series. 27 00:01:25,040 --> 00:01:29,520 Speaker 1: I mean, Doug, how much am I gonna be the 28 00:01:29,560 --> 00:01:32,920 Speaker 1: bear of bad news here? Is that what we're I'm 29 00:01:32,920 --> 00:01:35,440 Speaker 1: gonna sound like I'm gonna have to do because I 30 00:01:35,480 --> 00:01:39,039 Speaker 1: think you just spelled it out. The Phoenix Suns or 31 00:01:39,160 --> 00:01:43,160 Speaker 1: Chris Paul trying to prove that he can win a championship, 32 00:01:44,319 --> 00:01:46,720 Speaker 1: and you know that this Sun's team in this moment 33 00:01:46,880 --> 00:01:50,120 Speaker 1: is good enough to win potentially without them. You know, 34 00:01:50,360 --> 00:01:52,320 Speaker 1: I don't want to say it's smooth sailing, but it's 35 00:01:52,360 --> 00:01:58,880 Speaker 1: it's sailing, fair to say. And over there in Milwaukee, 36 00:01:59,160 --> 00:02:01,960 Speaker 1: Trey Young was Novelty wasn't quite the same. But they 37 00:02:02,000 --> 00:02:06,200 Speaker 1: can manage without Jannis against the Suns. I don't want 38 00:02:06,200 --> 00:02:10,800 Speaker 1: to diminish the effects of Chris Paul and Jannis onto 39 00:02:10,840 --> 00:02:15,359 Speaker 1: the coupo, but this is just a weird, funky playoff 40 00:02:15,480 --> 00:02:19,760 Speaker 1: scenario in which you know you can manage without a 41 00:02:19,760 --> 00:02:23,120 Speaker 1: star too, you know, you think Lebron James, right, there's 42 00:02:23,120 --> 00:02:26,000 Speaker 1: no there's no way you manage without Lebron James on 43 00:02:26,080 --> 00:02:28,720 Speaker 1: the court, all right, the Cavaliers that the Lakers would 44 00:02:28,720 --> 00:02:34,280 Speaker 1: be getting blown out by twenty or thirty points even 45 00:02:34,440 --> 00:02:37,760 Speaker 1: with a starless team on the other side, you may 46 00:02:37,840 --> 00:02:42,079 Speaker 1: argue of you know, obviously Miami Heat, Lebron James team, 47 00:02:42,240 --> 00:02:44,840 Speaker 1: the white hot team would have had a chance to 48 00:02:45,040 --> 00:02:48,360 Speaker 1: you know, compete with Dwayne Wade. But ultimately, I don't 49 00:02:48,360 --> 00:02:51,480 Speaker 1: get the same feeling. These are good teams. We haven't 50 00:02:51,560 --> 00:02:56,040 Speaker 1: seen doug good teams in the NBA finals, and obviously 51 00:02:56,120 --> 00:03:00,880 Speaker 1: this was a star injury riddled playoff in season. We 52 00:03:00,880 --> 00:03:03,400 Speaker 1: don't need to dive into that, although we probably will. 53 00:03:03,800 --> 00:03:06,799 Speaker 1: But ultimately these are just good, well coached teams back 54 00:03:07,000 --> 00:03:10,760 Speaker 1: the NA Detroit Pistons. But the but the injuries are 55 00:03:10,880 --> 00:03:14,359 Speaker 1: may even when the Detroit Pistons won that NBA championship, right, 56 00:03:14,400 --> 00:03:17,679 Speaker 1: the Lakers had Karl Malone got hurt. I think Rick 57 00:03:17,840 --> 00:03:20,200 Speaker 1: Fox got hurt, noture off Gp got hurt as well, 58 00:03:20,280 --> 00:03:23,000 Speaker 1: Like there were there were injuries galore. I mean, that's 59 00:03:23,760 --> 00:03:26,200 Speaker 1: it's interesting like we look back now in the Golden 60 00:03:26,200 --> 00:03:30,360 Speaker 1: State Warriors first championship, every team they played the point 61 00:03:30,360 --> 00:03:33,280 Speaker 1: guard the opposing team missed at least two of the games. 62 00:03:33,360 --> 00:03:37,880 Speaker 1: Kyrie Irving only played uh the uh uh. He played 63 00:03:37,920 --> 00:03:40,400 Speaker 1: the entire game of Game one, but it went overtime 64 00:03:40,440 --> 00:03:42,680 Speaker 1: and he got hurt, so he didn't play. I believe 65 00:03:42,720 --> 00:03:46,000 Speaker 1: in overtime. But we don't look back on the Golden 66 00:03:46,000 --> 00:03:49,480 Speaker 1: State Warriors championship and say, well, they won the championship, 67 00:03:49,880 --> 00:03:52,000 Speaker 1: but everybody they played was hurt. Like, no, they won 68 00:03:52,000 --> 00:03:55,360 Speaker 1: the championship and that was Steph Curry and Andrea Goodala 69 00:03:55,440 --> 00:03:57,520 Speaker 1: hitting threes because he was open. You know those type 70 00:03:57,520 --> 00:04:00,920 Speaker 1: of things. Um, I do wonder if we're gonna look 71 00:04:00,920 --> 00:04:05,320 Speaker 1: back in kind of give it an audible, audible asterisk, 72 00:04:05,400 --> 00:04:08,480 Speaker 1: because like, oh the Bucks one, oh yeah, yeah, that 73 00:04:08,560 --> 00:04:10,640 Speaker 1: was the year that the Nets were the best team 74 00:04:10,640 --> 00:04:14,040 Speaker 1: in the East, but you know two of their three 75 00:04:14,080 --> 00:04:17,360 Speaker 1: stars were hurt. The Lakers, you know, lost to Anthony 76 00:04:17,440 --> 00:04:19,080 Speaker 1: Dave and we started kind of going through those things. 77 00:04:19,120 --> 00:04:21,880 Speaker 1: I guess the question becomes Ryan Hollns, Doug Gottlie been 78 00:04:21,880 --> 00:04:24,880 Speaker 1: for dan the Danets. Do we put a mental asterisk 79 00:04:25,040 --> 00:04:27,200 Speaker 1: by whoever wins the championship because we know how many 80 00:04:27,200 --> 00:04:30,960 Speaker 1: injuries there's been. Yes, you have to. You have to 81 00:04:31,480 --> 00:04:34,000 Speaker 1: the only way that you don't put the asterix on it. 82 00:04:34,279 --> 00:04:35,720 Speaker 1: You want to know how you don't put the asterix 83 00:04:35,760 --> 00:04:38,440 Speaker 1: on it. You come back and do it again. The 84 00:04:38,440 --> 00:04:41,400 Speaker 1: Phoenix Suns win, and they come back the next year 85 00:04:41,720 --> 00:04:44,960 Speaker 1: and they do it again. You take the asterix off. 86 00:04:45,400 --> 00:04:48,400 Speaker 1: The Golden State Warriors. They came back and they did 87 00:04:48,400 --> 00:04:51,359 Speaker 1: it again. And they didn't just beat every team in 88 00:04:51,400 --> 00:04:56,680 Speaker 1: the league, they beat everybody down. Doug. I saw the 89 00:04:56,680 --> 00:04:59,760 Speaker 1: beginnings of it. It wasn't fun playing against the Warriors. 90 00:05:00,120 --> 00:05:03,200 Speaker 1: You had to change lineups. They were fast. Once they 91 00:05:03,279 --> 00:05:05,680 Speaker 1: learned how to defend, they could shut you out. They 92 00:05:05,680 --> 00:05:09,240 Speaker 1: could win. You know the slower tempo games. And you 93 00:05:09,320 --> 00:05:12,400 Speaker 1: knew Curry at some point we get hot. You couldn't 94 00:05:12,520 --> 00:05:16,359 Speaker 1: question if this was the best team in the league. 95 00:05:16,839 --> 00:05:20,440 Speaker 1: You didn't question it. We look at the Suns, we 96 00:05:20,560 --> 00:05:26,120 Speaker 1: questioned it. You look at the Bucks, we definitely questioned it. Doug. 97 00:05:27,040 --> 00:05:30,039 Speaker 1: I mean they weren't better than the Nets. There there 98 00:05:30,160 --> 00:05:36,000 Speaker 1: was no series, no right, the Raptors weren't. And I 99 00:05:36,040 --> 00:05:38,600 Speaker 1: think maybe your point is the Raptors weren't better than 100 00:05:38,640 --> 00:05:41,560 Speaker 1: the Warriors. I don't know, one knows allies, right, and 101 00:05:41,640 --> 00:05:44,400 Speaker 1: so we almost talked like that that championship didn't happen. 102 00:05:44,480 --> 00:05:46,760 Speaker 1: But they were the best team in the East at least. 103 00:05:47,160 --> 00:05:52,320 Speaker 1: This is disgusting, Doug, This is disgusting. You never felt like, 104 00:05:52,360 --> 00:05:55,000 Speaker 1: at a morrist case scenario, they weren't the best team 105 00:05:55,000 --> 00:05:58,919 Speaker 1: in the East, right with the raptors um that was 106 00:05:58,960 --> 00:06:01,960 Speaker 1: the year they won on knocked off Kawhi, Leonards m 107 00:06:02,040 --> 00:06:08,720 Speaker 1: Rattler and went in knocked off Philly, knocked off Milwaukee. Uh, 108 00:06:08,839 --> 00:06:12,560 Speaker 1: Kawhi slides over Guards, Janis one on one, Kawhi's going 109 00:06:12,760 --> 00:06:16,440 Speaker 1: bananas by the way on the way to the finals. So, no, 110 00:06:16,440 --> 00:06:19,080 Speaker 1: they weren't better than the Warriors. But you don't you 111 00:06:19,120 --> 00:06:21,320 Speaker 1: don't get that, like you weren't even the best team 112 00:06:21,320 --> 00:06:22,800 Speaker 1: of the East. You weren't the best team in the West. 113 00:06:24,480 --> 00:06:27,280 Speaker 1: You just feel that way. And you you saw Brooklyn 114 00:06:27,360 --> 00:06:31,159 Speaker 1: the way they dismantled Okay, dismantled the Bucks in Game 115 00:06:31,200 --> 00:06:33,479 Speaker 1: one and two until kirigos and and you're like, dude, 116 00:06:33,520 --> 00:06:36,440 Speaker 1: this is a this is a sweep. You never felt 117 00:06:36,480 --> 00:06:38,760 Speaker 1: that way that, like you saw that series, Doug and 118 00:06:38,760 --> 00:06:40,599 Speaker 1: it was like this is going to be a sweep. 119 00:06:41,160 --> 00:06:43,480 Speaker 1: I just don't get those same vibes. And I hate 120 00:06:43,480 --> 00:06:46,200 Speaker 1: to bring up the pass, but there's gonna be asterix 121 00:06:46,279 --> 00:06:49,760 Speaker 1: to your main point on this finals champ whoever it is, 122 00:06:49,880 --> 00:06:51,919 Speaker 1: unless they come back the next year and do it again. 123 00:06:52,360 --> 00:06:55,600 Speaker 1: They only way. But do we put asters by the Lakers? 124 00:06:55,800 --> 00:06:57,880 Speaker 1: I think there's more an asters by the Lakers championship 125 00:06:57,960 --> 00:07:02,000 Speaker 1: last year than there's the Sun. Oh no way they listen. 126 00:07:02,080 --> 00:07:04,600 Speaker 1: The Lakers one in the bubble is, you know, completely 127 00:07:04,680 --> 00:07:09,000 Speaker 1: different environment than we have ever seen. You know, I 128 00:07:09,080 --> 00:07:13,720 Speaker 1: think the bubble was more. The bubble was different, but 129 00:07:13,760 --> 00:07:17,679 Speaker 1: the bubble was more of a mental test on top 130 00:07:17,720 --> 00:07:21,120 Speaker 1: of the physical because guys were going back crazy in 131 00:07:20,240 --> 00:07:24,560 Speaker 1: the bubble. Man, guys were losing. The Clippers didn't want 132 00:07:24,560 --> 00:07:26,640 Speaker 1: to show the Clippers were their favorites to win the 133 00:07:26,760 --> 00:07:28,960 Speaker 1: NBA Championship. They didn't want to show up that that's 134 00:07:29,000 --> 00:07:31,320 Speaker 1: just that's just a level of doug. I don't have 135 00:07:31,360 --> 00:07:33,360 Speaker 1: a better way to say that. That That was just poor leadership. 136 00:07:33,360 --> 00:07:35,680 Speaker 1: Your leaders was to step up and say, guys, how 137 00:07:35,680 --> 00:07:38,760 Speaker 1: many of you have a championship, so let's gonna do 138 00:07:38,800 --> 00:07:42,760 Speaker 1: something special for La like they didn't want to show up. Okay, 139 00:07:42,880 --> 00:07:45,560 Speaker 1: so I just say I think it was more of 140 00:07:45,600 --> 00:07:48,080 Speaker 1: a mental hurdle. But Doug, we didn't see the injuries 141 00:07:50,280 --> 00:07:53,520 Speaker 1: last year, yeah, will I mean, I guess safe to 142 00:07:53,560 --> 00:07:57,520 Speaker 1: say the Brooklyn Nets, you know, Kevin Rant apparently you know, 143 00:07:57,680 --> 00:08:03,120 Speaker 1: was was ready to go and wouldn't play. Um. I mean, 144 00:08:04,600 --> 00:08:07,240 Speaker 1: I just you can't say that last year is a 145 00:08:07,320 --> 00:08:10,480 Speaker 1: non Astros year when they took you know, they had 146 00:08:10,480 --> 00:08:12,680 Speaker 1: a substantial amount of time off, then they had a 147 00:08:12,720 --> 00:08:15,320 Speaker 1: shortened you know, warm up period, then they played in 148 00:08:15,360 --> 00:08:17,480 Speaker 1: a bubble, and then go this year, this year's an 149 00:08:17,480 --> 00:08:21,160 Speaker 1: asterisk because guys got hurt. Like nah, I'm if you 150 00:08:21,160 --> 00:08:22,840 Speaker 1: want to say, we'll look back and go Yeah, those 151 00:08:22,840 --> 00:08:25,800 Speaker 1: are kind of two because when the Spurs won, you know, 152 00:08:25,800 --> 00:08:28,840 Speaker 1: the Spurs won, they were the lockout champions I think twice, right, 153 00:08:28,880 --> 00:08:32,200 Speaker 1: like they won congratulations, I went into lockout years. We 154 00:08:32,240 --> 00:08:34,679 Speaker 1: don't go back and go like, hey, Tim Duncan won 155 00:08:34,760 --> 00:08:37,480 Speaker 1: all these titles, but two of them were lockout years. 156 00:08:37,480 --> 00:08:39,600 Speaker 1: We can't actually look at it like that. He certified 157 00:08:39,640 --> 00:08:41,400 Speaker 1: it though, he came back again and did it again. 158 00:08:42,360 --> 00:08:44,520 Speaker 1: But they never they never won back to back, right, 159 00:08:44,559 --> 00:08:48,400 Speaker 1: they they have won multiple championships that they've never They've 160 00:08:48,440 --> 00:08:50,400 Speaker 1: never won back to back. Ryan Hans, I'm Doug Gotli 161 00:08:50,480 --> 00:08:52,920 Speaker 1: just the Dan Patrick Show here on Fox Sport Traded 162 00:08:52,920 --> 00:08:54,520 Speaker 1: all right, coming up next, there's what I want to do, 163 00:08:54,679 --> 00:08:57,360 Speaker 1: Henry Abots can join us around the corner. But is 164 00:08:57,400 --> 00:09:03,800 Speaker 1: a rule a rule? And it's interesting because in the 165 00:09:03,840 --> 00:09:10,160 Speaker 1: Olympics a rule is sort of a rule. What everyone's 166 00:09:10,160 --> 00:09:13,600 Speaker 1: talking about in sports. We'll get to next. 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So go the 175 00:09:43,320 --> 00:09:46,240 Speaker 1: extra mile by taking the all important first step into 176 00:09:46,280 --> 00:09:51,760 Speaker 1: an authorized dealership today. Look, there's there's two I think 177 00:09:51,920 --> 00:09:57,960 Speaker 1: really interesting non sports sports stories. Ryan. One's in our industry, 178 00:09:59,720 --> 00:10:02,839 Speaker 1: but it does revolve around really the NBA, and one 179 00:10:02,960 --> 00:10:06,720 Speaker 1: is in the Olympics and I actually think the Olympics 180 00:10:06,720 --> 00:10:11,680 Speaker 1: story is one which is transferable to other sports and 181 00:10:11,720 --> 00:10:15,640 Speaker 1: to other stories. I don't know which one do you 182 00:10:15,720 --> 00:10:19,600 Speaker 1: think today? I still think she carry Richardson is still 183 00:10:19,640 --> 00:10:23,400 Speaker 1: a for whatever reason, a bubbling story because it leads 184 00:10:23,440 --> 00:10:26,880 Speaker 1: up to the Olympics and she ran in a glamour event, 185 00:10:27,960 --> 00:10:30,679 Speaker 1: and it's the idea of marijuana, which you know is 186 00:10:30,760 --> 00:10:33,320 Speaker 1: legalized in so many states. Now, which one do you 187 00:10:33,320 --> 00:10:35,640 Speaker 1: think that or the Rachel Nichols story is bigger today? 188 00:10:37,240 --> 00:10:41,040 Speaker 1: I want to say that marijuana one, because you have 189 00:10:41,120 --> 00:10:44,640 Speaker 1: a lot of You've got a lot of uninformed people 190 00:10:44,920 --> 00:10:49,400 Speaker 1: that are hopping in the conversation, and I think is 191 00:10:49,440 --> 00:10:54,720 Speaker 1: getting blown completely out of context. And Doug, when people 192 00:10:54,840 --> 00:10:59,640 Speaker 1: feel like their rights are compromised, they get angry, they 193 00:10:59,640 --> 00:11:06,280 Speaker 1: get ad and there's a push Doug, and wish I 194 00:11:06,400 --> 00:11:10,719 Speaker 1: love in the world right now for equality. Don't get 195 00:11:10,720 --> 00:11:12,600 Speaker 1: it out of context. I love it here what I'm saying. 196 00:11:12,679 --> 00:11:16,400 Speaker 1: I love the push for equality now. But we have 197 00:11:16,520 --> 00:11:18,400 Speaker 1: to be careful what we fight for it. And Doug, 198 00:11:18,440 --> 00:11:20,440 Speaker 1: you know me, you know me, you know I have 199 00:11:20,559 --> 00:11:23,240 Speaker 1: I have no problem standing for what is right and 200 00:11:23,320 --> 00:11:29,080 Speaker 1: calling out what's been wrong. But this isn't it this moment, 201 00:11:29,160 --> 00:11:33,520 Speaker 1: this timing, isn't it? And I think Doug with the 202 00:11:34,000 --> 00:11:40,720 Speaker 1: with the the band substance, it's banned. You did it, 203 00:11:40,960 --> 00:11:44,760 Speaker 1: you knew the consequences. And I haven't talked to Shikari 204 00:11:45,320 --> 00:11:46,960 Speaker 1: from san her name right right there. I haven't talked 205 00:11:46,960 --> 00:11:48,199 Speaker 1: to her. I haven't spoke to her. I haven't heard 206 00:11:48,200 --> 00:11:50,880 Speaker 1: from her people. And I don't want her comments to 207 00:11:51,000 --> 00:11:54,280 Speaker 1: be taken out of context because maybe she just saying, hey, 208 00:11:54,920 --> 00:11:57,760 Speaker 1: you got busted. Why did you do it? I did 209 00:11:57,800 --> 00:11:59,600 Speaker 1: it because I was in a bad place and I 210 00:11:59,640 --> 00:12:02,719 Speaker 1: own it it. And I think people are looking at 211 00:12:02,760 --> 00:12:05,199 Speaker 1: it as if she's not owning it and saying, hey, 212 00:12:05,240 --> 00:12:08,440 Speaker 1: you should have let me run. I'm not with the 213 00:12:08,600 --> 00:12:13,360 Speaker 1: letter run stance. I definitely don't see we per se 214 00:12:13,400 --> 00:12:17,200 Speaker 1: as an in performance enhancer, maybe a relaxer, you know, 215 00:12:17,280 --> 00:12:19,560 Speaker 1: in a time of anxiety. We're not questioning that. But 216 00:12:19,600 --> 00:12:22,400 Speaker 1: it didn't make her run faster. It certainly didn't slow 217 00:12:22,440 --> 00:12:25,240 Speaker 1: her down in Oregon and the trials. Look, look, I'm 218 00:12:25,360 --> 00:12:29,440 Speaker 1: I'm with you. Um. The thing you have to we 219 00:12:29,520 --> 00:12:33,080 Speaker 1: have to understand is our way of thinking of things. 220 00:12:33,080 --> 00:12:34,880 Speaker 1: If you're in a state like like the state of 221 00:12:34,960 --> 00:12:38,200 Speaker 1: organ words that that is not necessarily how it's looked 222 00:12:38,200 --> 00:12:44,440 Speaker 1: at internationally, obviously federally, but more importantly, she knew like 223 00:12:44,559 --> 00:12:48,680 Speaker 1: these are especially sprinters, and I don't know how many 224 00:12:48,760 --> 00:12:53,640 Speaker 1: people know this. So her her coach is as a 225 00:12:53,679 --> 00:12:56,160 Speaker 1: former he ran in the dirtiest race of all time, 226 00:12:56,600 --> 00:13:02,280 Speaker 1: and he's had several runners suspended for performance dancing drugs. 227 00:13:02,559 --> 00:13:05,600 Speaker 1: And we both know that marijuana isn't a performance dancing drug. 228 00:13:05,760 --> 00:13:08,040 Speaker 1: That's not the point. The point is that when you 229 00:13:08,440 --> 00:13:10,960 Speaker 1: are going to be in the hundred, when you're an Olympian, 230 00:13:11,520 --> 00:13:13,920 Speaker 1: you know everything you put into your body, and you 231 00:13:13,960 --> 00:13:16,080 Speaker 1: know what you put in your body if it's legal, 232 00:13:16,120 --> 00:13:19,320 Speaker 1: if it's not legal. It's that important. And and to 233 00:13:19,440 --> 00:13:23,480 Speaker 1: her credit, she's never once said I can't believe this rule. 234 00:13:23,559 --> 00:13:25,520 Speaker 1: I know, I gotta should have gotten away with it. 235 00:13:25,520 --> 00:13:27,880 Speaker 1: They should let me run. She has not. But that's 236 00:13:27,880 --> 00:13:32,679 Speaker 1: a societal problem where we like, again, you're allowed to 237 00:13:32,720 --> 00:13:35,120 Speaker 1: say it's dumb to still test for weed, like it's 238 00:13:35,120 --> 00:13:39,600 Speaker 1: just dumb, But it's equally dumb to smoke weed before 239 00:13:39,720 --> 00:13:42,480 Speaker 1: the biggest race of your life, like you know that 240 00:13:42,520 --> 00:13:45,360 Speaker 1: if you get caught, you will not be able. And 241 00:13:45,559 --> 00:13:49,560 Speaker 1: while people want some change of the rule. In fact, 242 00:13:50,640 --> 00:13:53,719 Speaker 1: this is the smallest suspension anybody's been given because we're 243 00:13:53,720 --> 00:13:55,959 Speaker 1: starting to realize it's kind of a dumb rule. Right, 244 00:13:55,960 --> 00:13:58,160 Speaker 1: So you can dislike the rule, and the rule will 245 00:13:58,160 --> 00:14:00,839 Speaker 1: probably change after the Olympic Games. But as in place, 246 00:14:00,960 --> 00:14:03,199 Speaker 1: she knew it, she accepted it. I don't know why 247 00:14:03,240 --> 00:14:06,760 Speaker 1: we think otherwise. If you want to excuse it's it's like, well, 248 00:14:06,800 --> 00:14:09,480 Speaker 1: I was, officer. I was. I was trying to keep 249 00:14:09,520 --> 00:14:11,240 Speaker 1: up with the flow of traffic, right, we know, and 250 00:14:11,320 --> 00:14:13,920 Speaker 1: if you've ever been in California when there's no traffic, 251 00:14:14,320 --> 00:14:16,439 Speaker 1: there's very little speed limit, right, you just don't want 252 00:14:16,440 --> 00:14:19,120 Speaker 1: to be weaving in and out of people like like 253 00:14:19,200 --> 00:14:21,920 Speaker 1: sometimes motorcyclists. Do you know the guy who's just who's 254 00:14:21,960 --> 00:14:24,720 Speaker 1: turboing it down in the carpool lane, Like you want 255 00:14:24,720 --> 00:14:27,840 Speaker 1: to stay away from that. But try that excuse with 256 00:14:27,840 --> 00:14:30,760 Speaker 1: with with a police officer. So you're going eighty seven 257 00:14:30,800 --> 00:14:33,200 Speaker 1: miles an hour, yeah, but I was, it's a fifty 258 00:14:33,240 --> 00:14:34,440 Speaker 1: five yeah, yeah, but I was keep it up with 259 00:14:34,440 --> 00:14:36,560 Speaker 1: the flow of traffic. I no, there's a rule. You 260 00:14:36,680 --> 00:14:38,880 Speaker 1: violate the rule, there's gonna be some sort of penalty, 261 00:14:39,160 --> 00:14:41,400 Speaker 1: and it's not like she didn't know, and sprinters don't 262 00:14:41,440 --> 00:14:44,160 Speaker 1: know everything that goes in their body. Here's the thing, Doug, 263 00:14:45,400 --> 00:14:48,000 Speaker 1: you gotta look at the whole context. I'm not sure 264 00:14:48,040 --> 00:14:52,240 Speaker 1: when Sakari's mother passed, and I send my condolences to 265 00:14:52,280 --> 00:14:56,000 Speaker 1: the family. My father passed while I was competing, and 266 00:14:56,240 --> 00:14:58,520 Speaker 1: I know that pain. It's a different type of pain. 267 00:14:58,600 --> 00:15:00,720 Speaker 1: No one, no one knows what what you go through, 268 00:15:00,880 --> 00:15:04,640 Speaker 1: and you know, whether you had a positive uh, you know, 269 00:15:04,680 --> 00:15:07,040 Speaker 1: experience with the parents or not. It's it's just it's 270 00:15:07,040 --> 00:15:08,920 Speaker 1: just tough. You know, you bring up a lot of 271 00:15:08,960 --> 00:15:14,360 Speaker 1: old wounds. There's no way around that. I don't think 272 00:15:14,400 --> 00:15:17,400 Speaker 1: her mother passed and she just decided to experiment weed. 273 00:15:17,600 --> 00:15:20,720 Speaker 1: This is something, this is something she'd been doing well 274 00:15:20,760 --> 00:15:22,680 Speaker 1: and and and also this is her birth is her 275 00:15:22,760 --> 00:15:26,040 Speaker 1: birth mother, And I don't know the level of it 276 00:15:26,200 --> 00:15:29,360 Speaker 1: wasn't like some I think somebody told her she didn't 277 00:15:29,360 --> 00:15:34,160 Speaker 1: actually know, and so it's it's not yeah, not to them, like, 278 00:15:34,240 --> 00:15:36,560 Speaker 1: let's not like diminish anybody's death in terms of the 279 00:15:36,800 --> 00:15:39,240 Speaker 1: level of relationship. But yes, you're right. No one just 280 00:15:39,280 --> 00:15:41,480 Speaker 1: goes like, hey, this is the first time I'm gonna 281 00:15:41,480 --> 00:15:44,800 Speaker 1: go smoke a Bowl at you know, because she's been 282 00:15:44,880 --> 00:15:50,720 Speaker 1: doing it right right for you. And this this is 283 00:15:50,760 --> 00:15:54,480 Speaker 1: the this is for college athletes, right for college athletes. 284 00:15:54,880 --> 00:15:58,400 Speaker 1: It's still it's it's still a violet. There's still marijuana policies, 285 00:15:58,720 --> 00:16:01,640 Speaker 1: even if and and and up until this year last year, 286 00:16:01,680 --> 00:16:04,000 Speaker 1: there were still policies in place. Here's what they say 287 00:16:04,040 --> 00:16:06,960 Speaker 1: in the NFL. Okay, so people don't know this NFL 288 00:16:07,040 --> 00:16:11,120 Speaker 1: offseason program. They have one drug test. Everyone has to 289 00:16:11,160 --> 00:16:14,200 Speaker 1: take it. Everyone knows the window of when you're going 290 00:16:14,200 --> 00:16:16,360 Speaker 1: to take it. Okay, they don't tell you exactly when 291 00:16:16,400 --> 00:16:19,240 Speaker 1: they're coming. During that one test, you test positive for 292 00:16:19,520 --> 00:16:22,920 Speaker 1: the recreational or okay, I think it's called drugs of abuse. 293 00:16:23,240 --> 00:16:27,360 Speaker 1: You test positive, then then you get put into the program. Right, 294 00:16:27,400 --> 00:16:30,080 Speaker 1: so all you have to do is stay clean. There's 295 00:16:30,120 --> 00:16:34,400 Speaker 1: also that one drug test before the draft combine and 296 00:16:35,000 --> 00:16:37,800 Speaker 1: what they what the NFL people call those tests, they'll 297 00:16:37,840 --> 00:16:40,640 Speaker 1: say those are they're not drug tests, they're IQ tests 298 00:16:41,160 --> 00:16:43,560 Speaker 1: because they're not even saying you can't smoke weed. They're 299 00:16:43,600 --> 00:16:45,720 Speaker 1: saying all you have to do is wait till after 300 00:16:45,760 --> 00:16:48,200 Speaker 1: the test, and then you can smoke weed. Like it's 301 00:16:48,240 --> 00:16:50,640 Speaker 1: just there's a certain level of intelligence where you go like, 302 00:16:50,840 --> 00:16:53,720 Speaker 1: oh wait, I just gotta wait till yes, yes, Now 303 00:16:54,200 --> 00:16:55,840 Speaker 1: go ahead, cheach and chong it as much as you 304 00:16:55,880 --> 00:17:02,960 Speaker 1: want so I you know, well, when when I played, 305 00:17:03,320 --> 00:17:06,040 Speaker 1: we had three. We had three drug tests, and if 306 00:17:06,080 --> 00:17:08,040 Speaker 1: they wanted to, they could drag it out all the 307 00:17:08,119 --> 00:17:12,239 Speaker 1: way to the NBA finals. And unfortunately, it's annoying when 308 00:17:12,280 --> 00:17:14,520 Speaker 1: you don't make it to the NBA finals and a 309 00:17:14,600 --> 00:17:17,800 Speaker 1: guy's calling you to check ep wherever you are. You know, 310 00:17:17,840 --> 00:17:20,000 Speaker 1: I'd be at like my buddy's house and they'd be like, hey, 311 00:17:20,040 --> 00:17:21,840 Speaker 1: we got drug tests you. I'm like, all right, well, 312 00:17:21,880 --> 00:17:23,760 Speaker 1: here's the address. Come, you know, come find me, come 313 00:17:23,800 --> 00:17:28,119 Speaker 1: get me, you know. But ultimately, in the NBA we 314 00:17:28,240 --> 00:17:31,000 Speaker 1: had those three and you know, i'll share this information. 315 00:17:31,000 --> 00:17:33,359 Speaker 1: I won't put names out, but guys knew, like you said, 316 00:17:34,119 --> 00:17:36,560 Speaker 1: it was a party, it was four twenty all right, 317 00:17:36,600 --> 00:17:38,840 Speaker 1: it wasn't four twenty four twenty. As soon as that 318 00:17:38,920 --> 00:17:41,439 Speaker 1: third drug test came, guys knew they were gonna light 319 00:17:41,520 --> 00:17:44,240 Speaker 1: it up certain guys on the team, and you knew it. 320 00:17:44,600 --> 00:17:48,320 Speaker 1: But you ate, why do you wait, duck? Because there's 321 00:17:48,359 --> 00:17:50,800 Speaker 1: a million dollars on the other side of the fence 322 00:17:50,880 --> 00:17:56,200 Speaker 1: and my frustration with Shakari and for you know, condolences 323 00:17:56,240 --> 00:17:58,800 Speaker 1: to her family or whatever wounds got drunk. She's never 324 00:17:58,840 --> 00:18:01,439 Speaker 1: met Ryan, she's never meeting us. I mean, give her 325 00:18:01,440 --> 00:18:03,880 Speaker 1: credit there. She never said like this is a BS rule. 326 00:18:04,320 --> 00:18:07,560 Speaker 1: She's like I knew and you know now she's well. 327 00:18:07,640 --> 00:18:11,440 Speaker 1: She also didn't quiet the people. And I believe that 328 00:18:11,560 --> 00:18:14,879 Speaker 1: the mother passing was taken out of context, Doug, because 329 00:18:14,960 --> 00:18:19,399 Speaker 1: the general public took it and said, oh, this was 330 00:18:19,480 --> 00:18:24,880 Speaker 1: the consensus, duck. Oh her mom passed, let her smoke. WHOA, 331 00:18:26,000 --> 00:18:28,680 Speaker 1: That's not in their real book. It's not like, hey, 332 00:18:29,400 --> 00:18:32,280 Speaker 1: under extreme trauma, you're allowed to do the part you're 333 00:18:32,320 --> 00:18:35,159 Speaker 1: getting to, which which is really smart. And we've we 334 00:18:35,560 --> 00:18:38,880 Speaker 1: circle background to it. And this this does I think 335 00:18:38,960 --> 00:18:41,480 Speaker 1: relates to the Scottie Pippen story from last week and 336 00:18:41,560 --> 00:18:44,680 Speaker 1: from other schools. It is the idea that there's a 337 00:18:45,040 --> 00:18:49,480 Speaker 1: there's a racial element to this, right, that there's and 338 00:18:49,760 --> 00:18:53,600 Speaker 1: and you're talking about equality and actually suspending her for 339 00:18:54,000 --> 00:18:57,200 Speaker 1: less time than you know, Michael Phelps got three months, 340 00:18:57,240 --> 00:19:00,800 Speaker 1: although it was after Olympic competition, right, but suspending her 341 00:19:02,240 --> 00:19:04,720 Speaker 1: is equality, right, It's a it's a rule that's we're 342 00:19:04,840 --> 00:19:07,239 Speaker 1: equal under the eyes of the law. Whatever that If 343 00:19:07,240 --> 00:19:08,920 Speaker 1: it's a you saw a rule, you're like, man, that's 344 00:19:08,960 --> 00:19:11,280 Speaker 1: a terrible rule. Okay, it's rule. It is a rule. 345 00:19:11,320 --> 00:19:13,320 Speaker 1: She knew the rule, she gets suspended for it. Like, 346 00:19:13,600 --> 00:19:16,920 Speaker 1: that's equality. It doesn't matter if she's a if she's 347 00:19:17,160 --> 00:19:21,040 Speaker 1: the fastest hunter, meter runner or you know, throwing the javelin, 348 00:19:21,200 --> 00:19:24,680 Speaker 1: it doesn't doesn't actually matter. That's the rule. And and 349 00:19:24,800 --> 00:19:29,359 Speaker 1: there's there's no racial implications to it. Well here here's 350 00:19:29,400 --> 00:19:33,480 Speaker 1: the thing too. It's not an Oregon rule. It's not 351 00:19:33,600 --> 00:19:38,000 Speaker 1: a USA rule, Olympic rule. This is a world question. 352 00:19:38,320 --> 00:19:40,960 Speaker 1: So everybody thinks like we're going at the after the NBA, 353 00:19:41,080 --> 00:19:43,920 Speaker 1: We're going after the NCAA, Like, nah, dude, this is 354 00:19:44,000 --> 00:19:46,840 Speaker 1: the world. There's a sprinter in Germany who can't blow 355 00:19:46,920 --> 00:19:51,640 Speaker 1: it down. There's a sprinter in Jamaica, okay, in Nigeria 356 00:19:51,680 --> 00:19:55,040 Speaker 1: who can't. In China who can't. But these are world rules. 357 00:19:55,080 --> 00:19:56,960 Speaker 1: So if you guys are ready to take on the 358 00:19:57,040 --> 00:19:59,760 Speaker 1: world and say that the sprinter sh this isn't an 359 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:04,200 Speaker 1: a thing, guys. It's not a local origio. This is 360 00:20:04,240 --> 00:20:06,440 Speaker 1: a world We have a tendency. Don't want to do that, 361 00:20:06,560 --> 00:20:09,200 Speaker 1: like to put our own morals and values. It's a 362 00:20:09,320 --> 00:20:11,480 Speaker 1: USADA rule, but that's part of WADA, which is the 363 00:20:11,520 --> 00:20:14,040 Speaker 1: World Anti Doping Agency. All right, let's let's get back 364 00:20:14,040 --> 00:20:17,240 Speaker 1: to the NBA stuff. Henry Abbott joins us truehoop dot 365 00:20:17,280 --> 00:20:20,480 Speaker 1: com at Truehoop on Twitter course you can subscribe and 366 00:20:20,600 --> 00:20:25,320 Speaker 1: they put out absolutely fantastic stuff. Um. Do you believe 367 00:20:25,440 --> 00:20:30,240 Speaker 1: there's at least a mental asterisk by this NBA Finals? No? 368 00:20:30,920 --> 00:20:33,879 Speaker 1: I mean there will be complaining from superstars who were 369 00:20:33,920 --> 00:20:36,320 Speaker 1: injured during these playoffs and they'll want to put that 370 00:20:36,359 --> 00:20:39,320 Speaker 1: asterrois on there. But come on, man, everybody had the 371 00:20:39,359 --> 00:20:40,919 Speaker 1: thing just like you were talking about what the rules are? 372 00:20:40,920 --> 00:20:43,000 Speaker 1: The rules like you gotta drag your body coughs to 373 00:20:43,040 --> 00:20:45,719 Speaker 1: finish on here. And then somebody's doing right like Jannis 374 00:20:45,760 --> 00:20:48,040 Speaker 1: Will or Chris Paul Will or Devin Booker Will and 375 00:20:48,320 --> 00:20:53,840 Speaker 1: that's a t so. Um, let's let's start with the 376 00:20:53,960 --> 00:20:56,600 Speaker 1: Bucks and there is some similarities, right. The Bucks win 377 00:20:56,640 --> 00:20:58,800 Speaker 1: their last two without Janni's the Suns win their first 378 00:20:58,800 --> 00:21:00,879 Speaker 1: two without Chris Paul. Yeah, here we are at the 379 00:21:00,920 --> 00:21:03,160 Speaker 1: finals where the story is can Yannis win a James 380 00:21:03,200 --> 00:21:06,320 Speaker 1: Yprick and Chris Paul win a championship, But what do 381 00:21:06,440 --> 00:21:08,400 Speaker 1: you make of their ability to win those last two 382 00:21:08,560 --> 00:21:12,960 Speaker 1: against a hobbled Atlanta team down the stretch? This is 383 00:21:13,040 --> 00:21:15,760 Speaker 1: the most I mean, how good are the Hawks with 384 00:21:15,840 --> 00:21:18,000 Speaker 1: a Trey Young? With Trey Young not at his best? Like, 385 00:21:18,000 --> 00:21:19,680 Speaker 1: I don't even know how to rake that team, you 386 00:21:19,720 --> 00:21:22,000 Speaker 1: know what I mean. So I'm very you know, I 387 00:21:22,040 --> 00:21:24,960 Speaker 1: guess we're all pleased to see Chris Middleton become like 388 00:21:25,040 --> 00:21:31,000 Speaker 1: a real closer. Yeah. I think this is a very 389 00:21:31,119 --> 00:21:33,680 Speaker 1: difficult finals to production. We just published on True little 390 00:21:33,720 --> 00:21:36,720 Speaker 1: David Thorpe prediction where basically he's saying every finals he's 391 00:21:36,720 --> 00:21:39,240 Speaker 1: ever covered, you know, going in what the two teams 392 00:21:39,280 --> 00:21:41,760 Speaker 1: can do, except for this year, we just don't really 393 00:21:41,840 --> 00:21:44,240 Speaker 1: know that the Bucks can be terrible. They have this 394 00:21:44,400 --> 00:21:48,479 Speaker 1: stagnant offense and then move the ball well without Jannis. 395 00:21:48,640 --> 00:21:52,920 Speaker 1: Their defense isn't super elite, right, But I think it 396 00:21:52,960 --> 00:21:55,359 Speaker 1: really does come down to with Jannis, who'd be the 397 00:21:55,400 --> 00:21:59,560 Speaker 1: best defender in the finals. They're gonna win if he's 398 00:21:59,560 --> 00:22:03,040 Speaker 1: playing like Yannis, like you know, in in in I'm 399 00:22:03,119 --> 00:22:10,640 Speaker 1: doing the big like italics thing like that, the joy. Yeah. Yeah, 400 00:22:10,640 --> 00:22:12,600 Speaker 1: if he's Yannis, then I think the Bucks are gonna 401 00:22:12,600 --> 00:22:15,280 Speaker 1: win because this is the best defense in the left 402 00:22:15,440 --> 00:22:18,080 Speaker 1: in this in the playoffs, and without him, I think 403 00:22:18,119 --> 00:22:20,040 Speaker 1: the Suns are gonna roll like I think if they're 404 00:22:21,119 --> 00:22:23,840 Speaker 1: they're much better team if without the without Yanna thankering 405 00:22:23,880 --> 00:22:26,119 Speaker 1: that defense. Let me let me challenge that statement right now. 406 00:22:26,400 --> 00:22:29,200 Speaker 1: Let me challenge that statement right now. And just thought 407 00:22:29,240 --> 00:22:31,959 Speaker 1: the hypothetical. I need you to be real with me now, 408 00:22:33,080 --> 00:22:37,800 Speaker 1: if if Yannis play spearing leads and not at all, 409 00:22:39,040 --> 00:22:44,520 Speaker 1: and Milwaukee wins the NBA Championship, what narratives are we 410 00:22:44,600 --> 00:22:49,360 Speaker 1: gonna see? Well, we all, for whatever reason, we only 411 00:22:49,480 --> 00:22:52,280 Speaker 1: like to believe in superstars. I don't know why. This 412 00:22:52,359 --> 00:22:54,760 Speaker 1: is how narratives work. It's sort of crazy. Of course, 413 00:22:54,800 --> 00:22:58,399 Speaker 1: the real truth will be you know, Brook Lopez or 414 00:22:58,640 --> 00:23:01,679 Speaker 1: right like a lot of like lesser names. But um, 415 00:23:02,240 --> 00:23:04,840 Speaker 1: but no, the narrative will be that Chris Middleton emerged 416 00:23:04,880 --> 00:23:07,120 Speaker 1: as a superstar. That's all. That's what we're gonna say. 417 00:23:08,600 --> 00:23:12,240 Speaker 1: What is that funny? We always do that we don't believe. 418 00:23:14,240 --> 00:23:17,040 Speaker 1: I think it'll just be the weirdest, the weirdest year 419 00:23:17,119 --> 00:23:20,840 Speaker 1: ever Henry Abbott joining us. In terms of matchups, I 420 00:23:20,960 --> 00:23:22,960 Speaker 1: do think that it's a bad matchup for the Suns 421 00:23:23,000 --> 00:23:25,360 Speaker 1: from this standpoint, right, Like the Lakers like that matchup 422 00:23:25,440 --> 00:23:30,919 Speaker 1: because they just don't have outside of DeAndre and they 423 00:23:30,960 --> 00:23:34,000 Speaker 1: don't have another guy who can could They felt I 424 00:23:34,040 --> 00:23:36,639 Speaker 1: could manage a Lebron And it's a tough matchup to 425 00:23:36,680 --> 00:23:38,920 Speaker 1: match up with Yannis. But the honest thing is fascinating 426 00:23:38,960 --> 00:23:43,200 Speaker 1: because you mentioned if he's real Yannis, Like the free throw. 427 00:23:43,440 --> 00:23:45,840 Speaker 1: The free throw thing is, it's like uncomfortable to watch. 428 00:23:45,960 --> 00:23:48,359 Speaker 1: It's gonna be great in Phoenix, right because all of 429 00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:51,600 Speaker 1: a sudden they'll be possibly four times, they'll be counting 430 00:23:51,640 --> 00:23:57,040 Speaker 1: every second that the ball is dribbled, right, And but 431 00:23:57,320 --> 00:23:59,520 Speaker 1: but the free throw thing is just bizarre because this 432 00:23:59,680 --> 00:24:02,320 Speaker 1: is not he's not a great shooter, but this is 433 00:24:02,400 --> 00:24:05,800 Speaker 1: not this is not his shooting. This is clearly the 434 00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:09,200 Speaker 1: as somebody who had the yips throughout college. This is 435 00:24:09,280 --> 00:24:12,200 Speaker 1: absolutely positively you don't shoot two airballs in one game 436 00:24:12,760 --> 00:24:18,320 Speaker 1: unless something wrong, something's going on upstairs. Yeah, I vocal dystonia, right, 437 00:24:18,320 --> 00:24:20,679 Speaker 1: I think that's what's really called the medical diagnosis here 438 00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:26,200 Speaker 1: or where a focal dystonia and uh, And the deal 439 00:24:26,359 --> 00:24:28,840 Speaker 1: is like effort makes it worse, right, Like if you 440 00:24:29,560 --> 00:24:32,080 Speaker 1: you know, the more you care, the more you take 441 00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:34,600 Speaker 1: time or you use your special best effort, the worst 442 00:24:34,800 --> 00:24:38,160 Speaker 1: you activate this sequence, right and um. Tom Harris wrote 443 00:24:38,160 --> 00:24:42,240 Speaker 1: an incredible story about like how NASA trains astronauts out 444 00:24:42,280 --> 00:24:44,480 Speaker 1: of this, Like people get the yips when they're going 445 00:24:44,520 --> 00:24:47,120 Speaker 1: on a spacewalk and trying to reconnect you know, things 446 00:24:47,160 --> 00:24:49,639 Speaker 1: to the mere space station. And they have techniques. You 447 00:24:49,720 --> 00:24:51,560 Speaker 1: just want to make that. You want to make everything routine. 448 00:24:51,640 --> 00:24:53,760 Speaker 1: And there's a way that you like wiggle your toe, 449 00:24:54,280 --> 00:24:56,720 Speaker 1: which gives you a little thing he does is he 450 00:24:56,880 --> 00:24:59,119 Speaker 1: has a routine that that sounds great. His routine is 451 00:24:59,160 --> 00:25:02,080 Speaker 1: the practice for he throws that the ball. Okay, Then 452 00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:05,440 Speaker 1: there's the then there's the excessive dribbling and taking a time, 453 00:25:05,920 --> 00:25:11,080 Speaker 1: and his routine's too long, thinking right, oh, the more 454 00:25:11,320 --> 00:25:13,000 Speaker 1: it just builds up the pressure. You're like, oh god, 455 00:25:13,080 --> 00:25:16,080 Speaker 1: this is gonna be bad. Well, okay. Another huge thing 456 00:25:16,119 --> 00:25:19,320 Speaker 1: about Jannis is and be honest with hypercented knee, which 457 00:25:19,359 --> 00:25:22,760 Speaker 1: means he has bruising aside his knee, right like unexplosive. 458 00:25:22,840 --> 00:25:26,040 Speaker 1: Yannis is not a scorer. Right, Like they're gonna build 459 00:25:26,080 --> 00:25:28,679 Speaker 1: a wall and he go over under through that wall, right, 460 00:25:29,040 --> 00:25:31,399 Speaker 1: but he's not gonna rely on his jumper, right, Like 461 00:25:31,720 --> 00:25:33,920 Speaker 1: this is what you would normally do for not telling explosive, 462 00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:35,639 Speaker 1: but that's not a thing he should be doing, right. 463 00:25:35,640 --> 00:25:36,879 Speaker 1: So this is why I think I don't know what 464 00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:38,680 Speaker 1: he's looking like in the practice score right now, but 465 00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:41,560 Speaker 1: if he's not looking super page explosive, I think you 466 00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:43,240 Speaker 1: got to sit him in game one because you really 467 00:25:43,280 --> 00:25:46,480 Speaker 1: need him to be like fiery and explosive, and without that, 468 00:25:46,600 --> 00:25:48,720 Speaker 1: I don't it's it could be a mat How do 469 00:25:48,840 --> 00:25:51,560 Speaker 1: you I guess, and and Ryan, I you know, I 470 00:25:51,600 --> 00:25:53,960 Speaker 1: know him, like you're co hosting. I don't want to interview, 471 00:25:54,119 --> 00:26:00,280 Speaker 1: but no, no, no, but like I'm just because because 472 00:26:00,280 --> 00:26:03,359 Speaker 1: you ryany played them so you'll understand it. Like we 473 00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:07,200 Speaker 1: got the full Chris Paul in the close out game, right. 474 00:26:07,760 --> 00:26:09,919 Speaker 1: You got the first half where he was just creating shots. 475 00:26:10,040 --> 00:26:11,639 Speaker 1: You got the I'm gonna go he went for the 476 00:26:11,720 --> 00:26:13,480 Speaker 1: kill shot and he hit all these threes, which is 477 00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:16,080 Speaker 1: not really how he plays. And then you got a 478 00:26:16,160 --> 00:26:19,680 Speaker 1: couple of just ridiculous flops as well, Like the flops 479 00:26:19,920 --> 00:26:22,280 Speaker 1: is just and then of course he gets under the 480 00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:24,680 Speaker 1: skin of Patrick Beverley who pushes him, and that used 481 00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:26,399 Speaker 1: to be his own teammates. Now at least it's the 482 00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:30,200 Speaker 1: other team, like Henry, How would you get the Chris 483 00:26:30,280 --> 00:26:33,400 Speaker 1: Paul thing, because now it's become everybody loves Chris Paul. 484 00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:36,600 Speaker 1: They wanted to win a championship. But it used to 485 00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:40,400 Speaker 1: be hate Chris Paul because he always gets hurt, he flops, 486 00:26:40,760 --> 00:26:44,560 Speaker 1: and he complains about every other player and official outside 487 00:26:44,600 --> 00:26:47,919 Speaker 1: of his own play. I love this topic, all right. 488 00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:49,800 Speaker 1: So a couple of things I just looked at up. 489 00:26:50,760 --> 00:26:54,040 Speaker 1: By the time this final starts tomorrow, Chris Paul will 490 00:26:54,040 --> 00:26:57,760 Speaker 1: have played four games in twenty two days. But this 491 00:26:57,960 --> 00:27:00,600 Speaker 1: is about as rested as NBA players get, right, Um, 492 00:27:01,240 --> 00:27:03,600 Speaker 1: this I've seen there's like a laite science that you 493 00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:07,400 Speaker 1: can give a max effort five times in fourteen days, 494 00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:10,520 Speaker 1: and beyond that just starts to hurt your performance. So 495 00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:13,240 Speaker 1: he's a guy we saw, We just saw, right. Maybe 496 00:27:13,240 --> 00:27:14,760 Speaker 1: it took him a couple of games to get his 497 00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:17,480 Speaker 1: mental game back up to full speed, but then he 498 00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:19,560 Speaker 1: was just like the only guy on the court who's 499 00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:23,719 Speaker 1: running around like it's preseasons, right. He took more shots 500 00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:26,440 Speaker 1: than he has in any forty eight minute games since 501 00:27:26,560 --> 00:27:30,440 Speaker 1: twenty eighteen. He was taking crazy shots, right, so I 502 00:27:30,600 --> 00:27:33,720 Speaker 1: think we might he might be calculating, and Ryan will 503 00:27:33,840 --> 00:27:36,480 Speaker 1: speak to his calculating nature, right that this is the right. 504 00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:38,600 Speaker 1: It's like time for him to be in this apex 505 00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:41,640 Speaker 1: predator mode because he's just going to be fresher than everybody, 506 00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:44,840 Speaker 1: which could be really fun to watch and it will 507 00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:47,680 Speaker 1: be probably super annoying to Patrick Beverley and other people 508 00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:51,159 Speaker 1: who have to card to Chris Paul, what do you 509 00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:53,399 Speaker 1: what do you make of the Suns though? Is this 510 00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:56,879 Speaker 1: are they legit was Moni Coach of the Year or 511 00:27:58,000 --> 00:28:00,800 Speaker 1: is this just hey man take an advantage of opportunity, 512 00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:04,360 Speaker 1: Like they haven't played a team with the superstar yet? 513 00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:08,080 Speaker 1: What like what do we add up? I'm telling Doug 514 00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:11,200 Speaker 1: that this year is cool only if they come back 515 00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:13,240 Speaker 1: next year and do it again, and then we're like, nah, 516 00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:17,480 Speaker 1: they're serious. You know it's certified. Can you certify this championship? 517 00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:19,240 Speaker 1: If they went in and then kind of don't do 518 00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:22,159 Speaker 1: much next year, I mean, I hear they did. They 519 00:28:22,520 --> 00:28:25,040 Speaker 1: the players who didn't suit up against them are like 520 00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:27,879 Speaker 1: a who to right from Lebron to Kauai like um, 521 00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:31,920 Speaker 1: but I think the all that said, they had just 522 00:28:32,119 --> 00:28:34,680 Speaker 1: about the best record in the NBA in the regular season, 523 00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:37,360 Speaker 1: what did they win nine or ten straight in the playoffs? 524 00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:41,920 Speaker 1: Like um and I think we fold us a story 525 00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:44,440 Speaker 1: back in March about how they were winning and it 526 00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:48,880 Speaker 1: was about execution, right, like they just had you know, 527 00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:51,640 Speaker 1: this is where you get mcl bridges the ball so 528 00:28:51,760 --> 00:28:55,440 Speaker 1: that he's super useful. And we didn't see that from 529 00:28:55,560 --> 00:28:58,840 Speaker 1: every other team, Like there were a bunch of stretches 530 00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:01,840 Speaker 1: of these playoffs where teams like, including the Bucks, we're 531 00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:05,000 Speaker 1: just not running things well. It didn't have a good stuff. 532 00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:07,440 Speaker 1: But part of it, but part of that, Henry is 533 00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:09,920 Speaker 1: that they that when you when you have a guy 534 00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:12,920 Speaker 1: who's a star who's injured, now everything you've done all 535 00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:15,480 Speaker 1: year kind of gets thrown away. It helps you initially 536 00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:17,160 Speaker 1: because people struggle to match up with you, like it 537 00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:19,240 Speaker 1: did with the Clippers and all these other teams, but 538 00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:21,880 Speaker 1: like you know, like look, if you take Jamal Murray 539 00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:25,160 Speaker 1: off of Denver, not the same, right, guys twenty five 540 00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:29,360 Speaker 1: to thirty in night. Now, I believe that we won't. 541 00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:30,840 Speaker 1: I don't think we'll look back and go, oh, yeah, 542 00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:33,320 Speaker 1: that was the year everybody was hurt. It is a weird, 543 00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:36,800 Speaker 1: weird Finals. But it is a year where everybody was hurt. 544 00:29:37,080 --> 00:29:39,840 Speaker 1: And here we have these two teams and we're gonna 545 00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:42,760 Speaker 1: talk with glowing praise about them. But I don't. I 546 00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:45,640 Speaker 1: don't think most people believe they're close to the two 547 00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:48,400 Speaker 1: best teams in the NBA. Right, Like the Nets were better. 548 00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:50,120 Speaker 1: It was just a question of could they stay healthy 549 00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:53,520 Speaker 1: and not implode and the answer was no. Right, And 550 00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:57,520 Speaker 1: then in the West, I don't. I actually think you're 551 00:29:57,600 --> 00:29:59,200 Speaker 1: making a good point, which is like, all right, if 552 00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:01,320 Speaker 1: you don't like them in the West, who do you like? 553 00:30:01,480 --> 00:30:03,719 Speaker 1: I would have said the Clippers. But the Clippers up 554 00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:06,520 Speaker 1: until this year had done nothing to help their cause. 555 00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:09,040 Speaker 1: And even this year, with Kawhi Leonard fall behind O 556 00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:11,880 Speaker 1: two and two series they've done, They've done nothing to 557 00:30:12,040 --> 00:30:15,080 Speaker 1: tell us they were absolutely the best team. I think 558 00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:17,040 Speaker 1: it's like a you know, this is the year where 559 00:30:17,080 --> 00:30:22,840 Speaker 1: the NBA schedule makers predictably and terribly and harmfully, just 560 00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:24,440 Speaker 1: like it's like a chest game, but they took the 561 00:30:24,520 --> 00:30:26,800 Speaker 1: queen away from every team, creating just like well want 562 00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:28,400 Speaker 1: you to do. This is a weird chest drill where 563 00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:29,800 Speaker 1: you could what can you do with these pieces? Right? 564 00:30:29,880 --> 00:30:32,440 Speaker 1: And and you know the Suns were without Chris Paul 565 00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:35,960 Speaker 1: a whole bunch too, right um uh, and Cam Johnson, 566 00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:39,760 Speaker 1: et cetera. So I think that, you know, it's a 567 00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:41,880 Speaker 1: bummer we had to watch this version of the NBA. 568 00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:46,520 Speaker 1: I'd much rather watch everybody healthy as a human and 569 00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:48,960 Speaker 1: as the basketball fans, right, But we didn't get that, 570 00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:50,640 Speaker 1: and we didn't get it for any team, including the Sun. 571 00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:53,160 Speaker 1: So I don't see why I particularly single them out 572 00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:56,440 Speaker 1: as having had an easy road A little a little 573 00:30:56,560 --> 00:31:01,160 Speaker 1: off topic, but is Lebron James done? Will will we 574 00:31:01,280 --> 00:31:04,760 Speaker 1: ever see like Lebron again? Like not like will you 575 00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:08,080 Speaker 1: play again? Like duh, but like like Lebron, like you know, 576 00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:13,360 Speaker 1: close out Lebron Lebron mode? You know, I mean, if 577 00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:15,800 Speaker 1: I a short answer, I think like Lebron that you 578 00:31:16,120 --> 00:31:18,680 Speaker 1: have to listen to on every political topic because he's 579 00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:20,560 Speaker 1: can determine who's in the finals for the next tea, 580 00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:23,000 Speaker 1: like you know what I mean, Like like, yeah, I 581 00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:26,200 Speaker 1: think he's not that guy anymore. He's very surprised that 582 00:31:26,360 --> 00:31:30,800 Speaker 1: if he could play sixty plus games and anchor a 583 00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:32,360 Speaker 1: team that makes it to the finals. I think that 584 00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:35,480 Speaker 1: it doesn't look like that on video now, right, Like 585 00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:39,040 Speaker 1: it doesn't look like that. No, no it doesn't. There's 586 00:31:39,040 --> 00:31:42,000 Speaker 1: gonna be some there's gonna be some changes there. Um, 587 00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:45,080 Speaker 1: what do the changes look like? Do you think when 588 00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:49,480 Speaker 1: the Lakers are done, what can they do? Right? This 589 00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:51,720 Speaker 1: is the I hate that this is the way it works. 590 00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:56,000 Speaker 1: But once they paid Casey p Right a decent salary, 591 00:31:56,120 --> 00:31:59,080 Speaker 1: then they're kind of locked up, right, they're Anthony Davison, 592 00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:02,680 Speaker 1: lebron James case and whoever. They can get super amfortable, right, 593 00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:05,239 Speaker 1: I think that's what they do. Um, I guess if 594 00:32:05,280 --> 00:32:08,480 Speaker 1: you're super ruthless and you run the Lakers, trade lebron 595 00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:15,960 Speaker 1: right and just right right, I know why. But like 596 00:32:16,360 --> 00:32:20,120 Speaker 1: if you're want to maximize your but you say, do 597 00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:23,080 Speaker 1: you know why? But again, like this is this is 598 00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:26,400 Speaker 1: kind of classic what happens with lebron KCP was great 599 00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:29,480 Speaker 1: in the bubble, he had a tremendous year, But this 600 00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:31,959 Speaker 1: is this is the Cleveland Cavaliers all over again, right, 601 00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:34,640 Speaker 1: where you take care of all lebronze guys and then 602 00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:37,760 Speaker 1: what happens they're not good enough and you're, oh, you're 603 00:32:37,760 --> 00:32:43,000 Speaker 1: overpaid and you're locked up. So, I mean the clutch 604 00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:46,320 Speaker 1: guys they have out not named Lebron me. Anthony Davis 605 00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:49,400 Speaker 1: obviously has to get better care of his body. That's 606 00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:52,960 Speaker 1: not that's a poorly kept secret. But the others that 607 00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:55,280 Speaker 1: the taking care of the This is what happened with 608 00:32:55,400 --> 00:32:58,560 Speaker 1: the Cleveland Jr. Smith. They gave Starr Smith a terrible contract. 609 00:32:58,600 --> 00:33:02,800 Speaker 1: Why because he hit some shots in the final like congratulations, congratulations, 610 00:33:02,840 --> 00:33:04,640 Speaker 1: You can't make that much money and then continue to 611 00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:08,160 Speaker 1: put better players around Lebron as he begins to you know, 612 00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:11,360 Speaker 1: get to that downward part of his career. I still think. 613 00:33:12,280 --> 00:33:14,360 Speaker 1: I don't think he didn't really anchor him last year. 614 00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:18,040 Speaker 1: Um that was it was Anthony Davis's talent in his mind. 615 00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:20,840 Speaker 1: But yes, to your point, Ryan, I think those days 616 00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:23,240 Speaker 1: of you know, the days of the crazy numbers and 617 00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:26,480 Speaker 1: single Yeah, those are gone. And that's that's that's that's 618 00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:30,840 Speaker 1: the normal, that's the normal regression. Last thing, Henry, what's 619 00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:35,520 Speaker 1: your reaction to the Rachel Nichols leaked audio. Oh my gosh. 620 00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:38,840 Speaker 1: I take it as a sign of like, you know, 621 00:33:39,320 --> 00:33:43,640 Speaker 1: decades of weak leadership at ESPN, right, Like a lot 622 00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:46,920 Speaker 1: of people are dissatisfied for these things to happen, for 623 00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:48,720 Speaker 1: these things to be said. But it's to be weak. 624 00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:53,080 Speaker 1: Like I wish it were a place that everybody felt 625 00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:55,240 Speaker 1: safe giving their best effort, right, but it feels a 626 00:33:55,280 --> 00:33:58,200 Speaker 1: lot scheier than that. And that's that, Like I I 627 00:33:58,320 --> 00:33:59,680 Speaker 1: wish that it could be a place that was more 628 00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:04,000 Speaker 1: about like just serving sports fans. Yeah, like who who 629 00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:07,440 Speaker 1: the fans want? And it performs the best should get 630 00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:11,640 Speaker 1: the most opportunities, thank you telling us like we cover 631 00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:15,839 Speaker 1: sports media, like like this is a huge issue who 632 00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:19,239 Speaker 1: anchors this or that show? Like those shows don't do 633 00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:22,040 Speaker 1: very well, right, Like it's the most prominent position the 634 00:34:22,160 --> 00:34:25,360 Speaker 1: ESPN has to offer the fans, like tune out for 635 00:34:25,520 --> 00:34:26,920 Speaker 1: that part of the show and then tune in for 636 00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:30,000 Speaker 1: the game. Like I think different. I think the NBA 637 00:34:30,120 --> 00:34:32,560 Speaker 1: is different though, right because there's this Jex, there's these 638 00:34:32,640 --> 00:34:36,759 Speaker 1: two polar TNT studio crew is incredible. I will watch 639 00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:39,960 Speaker 1: a game just so I can watch them after a game, right, 640 00:34:40,719 --> 00:34:44,719 Speaker 1: Whereas ESPN the game broadcast is fantastic, and they've had 641 00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:47,640 Speaker 1: so much turnover in their studio crew because they want 642 00:34:47,719 --> 00:34:52,319 Speaker 1: so badly to be TNT. So on a normal circumstance, 643 00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:54,560 Speaker 1: I understand. I agree with you in terms of the numbers, 644 00:34:54,640 --> 00:34:57,880 Speaker 1: I agree with you, But in this sport. The studio 645 00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:03,680 Speaker 1: shows are important because TNTs made it important because of 646 00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:07,800 Speaker 1: the quality of content, or at least the ease of 647 00:35:08,719 --> 00:35:12,120 Speaker 1: taking in their content you get from watching. I mean, 648 00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:14,719 Speaker 1: the future of media is going to be reaching like 649 00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:17,520 Speaker 1: young people on phones. This is all just a conversation. 650 00:35:17,520 --> 00:35:20,160 Speaker 1: It's like baseball. It's like old people are gonna watch this, right, 651 00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:23,880 Speaker 1: And I don't think it really matters to the business. 652 00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:26,640 Speaker 1: It's just it's the pinnacle of what ESPN. It's the 653 00:35:26,719 --> 00:35:30,000 Speaker 1: tynicle of what people in Bristol produce, so they want 654 00:35:30,040 --> 00:35:32,320 Speaker 1: it to seem really important. They're big salaries for this, 655 00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:35,160 Speaker 1: but it's like, like compared to what happens on Instagram, 656 00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:37,960 Speaker 1: it's nothing. I guess just doesn't matter. Like it's a 657 00:35:38,040 --> 00:35:39,560 Speaker 1: thing we like to talk about because it's easy to 658 00:35:39,560 --> 00:35:41,920 Speaker 1: talk about, and we're you talking about it and our 659 00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:43,759 Speaker 1: Robert's retiring. It is a base cil ever and it's like, 660 00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:46,280 Speaker 1: I like, all of our kids will never know Marle 661 00:35:46,560 --> 00:35:49,400 Speaker 1: was correct or Rachel nikoldritt right, Like it's just you know, 662 00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:52,040 Speaker 1: it's it's a bigone. It's a relic of a bygone 663 00:35:52,080 --> 00:35:54,200 Speaker 1: era and it's been very poorly managed. I'm sorry that 664 00:35:54,280 --> 00:35:56,000 Speaker 1: people's feelings have been hurt, Like I really wish it 665 00:35:56,040 --> 00:35:59,080 Speaker 1: could just be like a better run place. Henry Abbott 666 00:35:59,200 --> 00:36:07,120 Speaker 1: formerly VSP Truehoop dot Com. Henry enjoyed the finals. We'll 667 00:36:07,160 --> 00:36:09,880 Speaker 1: talk soon. Appreciate Thank you, Ryan, Thank you. All right, 668 00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:11,399 Speaker 1: we'll give you our take on this on the Rachel 669 00:36:11,520 --> 00:36:13,400 Speaker 1: Nichols leaked audio that's up coming next to the Dan 670 00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:16,640 Speaker 1: Patrick's show. Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk 671 00:36:16,760 --> 00:36:19,400 Speaker 1: lineup in the nation. Catch all of our shows at 672 00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:23,399 Speaker 1: Fox sports Radio dot com and within the iHeartRadio app 673 00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:27,520 Speaker 1: search f SR to listen live along with Ryan Hans. 674 00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:30,120 Speaker 1: I'm Doug Gottliebian for Dan Dennet's Dan Patrick Show. You're 675 00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:32,440 Speaker 1: on Fox Sports Radio. All right. What we'll do is 676 00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:34,359 Speaker 1: we'll get to this, so top of the arn, we'll 677 00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:39,239 Speaker 1: talk about this. Rachel Nichols as a longtime hosts and 678 00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:43,279 Speaker 1: sideline reporter for ESPN. Maria Taylor, I believe it's in 679 00:36:43,360 --> 00:36:48,759 Speaker 1: her second year as host of NBA's Countdown Shoot studio show, 680 00:36:49,239 --> 00:36:54,080 Speaker 1: and there's some leaked audio out there of a conversation 681 00:36:54,160 --> 00:37:00,200 Speaker 1: between Rachel Nichols and a connector to Lebron James where um, 682 00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:02,800 Speaker 1: there was a what can only be deemed a not 683 00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:07,520 Speaker 1: so flattering thought on why Maria Taylor got that job 684 00:37:07,600 --> 00:37:11,000 Speaker 1: instead of Rachel Nichols. That that's up, we'll get to 685 00:37:11,040 --> 00:37:14,000 Speaker 1: that top the hour. But I did I found this 686 00:37:14,120 --> 00:37:18,640 Speaker 1: to be interesting. Ryan, Did you grow up a baseball fan? No? 687 00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:22,520 Speaker 1: Did well? I mean I played the video game, Okay, 688 00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:24,879 Speaker 1: I'd watch it a little bit. Which which video game? 689 00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:28,520 Speaker 1: Like RBI Baseball? Old school? Which old school? I'm I 690 00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:31,719 Speaker 1: was Nintendo Saga. You know that. That's that's how you 691 00:37:31,840 --> 00:37:33,719 Speaker 1: kind of know the sports as a kid. You play 692 00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:35,279 Speaker 1: the game. You know that, you know you know him 693 00:37:35,320 --> 00:37:37,040 Speaker 1: from the game. You know the kids come to me there, 694 00:37:37,200 --> 00:37:39,480 Speaker 1: you were a great duque. You're on my franchise, you know, 695 00:37:39,600 --> 00:37:42,040 Speaker 1: like now, yeah, that's that. That was for me. That 696 00:37:42,160 --> 00:37:44,400 Speaker 1: was Dickson of my baseball. I wasn't a I didn't 697 00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:47,359 Speaker 1: play in the streets who played seldom Lee, But I wasn't. 698 00:37:47,400 --> 00:37:49,120 Speaker 1: You know, it wasn't the thing. It wasn't basketball, It 699 00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:52,560 Speaker 1: wasn't football. What's interesting about baseball is the All Star 700 00:37:52,680 --> 00:37:56,560 Speaker 1: game in baseball used to be the deal, right, I 701 00:37:56,600 --> 00:37:58,359 Speaker 1: mean it used to be of the all star games. 702 00:37:58,440 --> 00:38:01,000 Speaker 1: I felt like it was because it was nothing else 703 00:38:01,160 --> 00:38:05,040 Speaker 1: was going on in sports, literally nothing right. The ESPN 704 00:38:05,080 --> 00:38:07,520 Speaker 1: slid in the SV Awards because there's nothing to day 705 00:38:07,560 --> 00:38:10,840 Speaker 1: after a baseball game, after the All Star Game, and 706 00:38:10,920 --> 00:38:12,880 Speaker 1: so they could get a collection of who's who because 707 00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:16,399 Speaker 1: nothing was going on outside of baseball, and baseball didn't 708 00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:18,880 Speaker 1: as a superstar. Maybe they could fly in jeets, but 709 00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:22,960 Speaker 1: outside of that, no one really resonated. The Baseball All 710 00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:26,360 Speaker 1: Star Game has something we haven't had in the modern 711 00:38:26,600 --> 00:38:30,320 Speaker 1: baseball era. Shoeyo Tani, who you think you had? Another 712 00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:34,520 Speaker 1: home run yesterday? Another home run? Another one is going 713 00:38:34,600 --> 00:38:38,000 Speaker 1: in as an All Star as both a pitcher and 714 00:38:38,239 --> 00:38:41,680 Speaker 1: a hitter. The depth of young talent major League Baseball 715 00:38:42,160 --> 00:38:45,040 Speaker 1: is Fernando test teas junior, Ronald mccunia. Like, they have 716 00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:49,360 Speaker 1: dudes out there, But I would you know, I was 717 00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:51,880 Speaker 1: in the Northeast last week. I do they do really 718 00:38:51,920 --> 00:38:54,600 Speaker 1: still care about baseball? And I know in New York 719 00:38:54,640 --> 00:38:57,440 Speaker 1: with the Yankees struggling, they still care about baseball. But 720 00:38:57,600 --> 00:39:01,600 Speaker 1: I would say, like Shoeonnie being a two way star, 721 00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:04,560 Speaker 1: being potentially not just the best player in the game, 722 00:39:04,640 --> 00:39:07,560 Speaker 1: but the best player we've seen in baseball in more 723 00:39:07,640 --> 00:39:09,800 Speaker 1: than a quarter century. That's that's how good he is. 724 00:39:11,760 --> 00:39:14,279 Speaker 1: I don't think it moves the needle at all. I 725 00:39:14,440 --> 00:39:17,040 Speaker 1: just don't. And I'm trying to think of is it 726 00:39:17,040 --> 00:39:20,759 Speaker 1: because it's baseball, or it's because we already have interleague games. 727 00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:24,760 Speaker 1: There's an interleague series every series all year long in baseball, 728 00:39:24,880 --> 00:39:27,360 Speaker 1: right do the math? Fifteen teams each side, They're always 729 00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:29,520 Speaker 1: gonna have to have it inter league series. But I'm 730 00:39:29,560 --> 00:39:31,880 Speaker 1: trying to figure out why the All Star Game for 731 00:39:31,960 --> 00:39:37,160 Speaker 1: baseball has has kind of frankly died a little bit. Well, 732 00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:40,600 Speaker 1: I mean, to me, baseball hasn't been the same since steroids, 733 00:39:41,640 --> 00:39:44,640 Speaker 1: and it just left a dark cloud over the game 734 00:39:45,360 --> 00:39:50,800 Speaker 1: where you started to build household names. You saw personalities 735 00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:54,959 Speaker 1: Soulsa McGuire. Those are personalities that you saw, you knew, 736 00:39:55,640 --> 00:40:00,880 Speaker 1: you recognized, and that you know for a year. Some 737 00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:04,320 Speaker 1: of the league's greatest stars were known in infamy. You know, 738 00:40:04,520 --> 00:40:08,680 Speaker 1: Barry Bonds, that's the very known name. Roger Clement, those 739 00:40:08,719 --> 00:40:13,560 Speaker 1: are the biggest names in baseball. Came behind scandal. That's 740 00:40:13,640 --> 00:40:17,640 Speaker 1: what hurt baseball. When you think of the NBA, you 741 00:40:17,800 --> 00:40:22,240 Speaker 1: go Lebron James, Steph Curry though those are Kevin Durant, 742 00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:24,880 Speaker 1: those are big names. You get behind. You think football, 743 00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:29,920 Speaker 1: Tom Brady, Patrick Mahomes, Okay, Drew Brees, the Roethlisberger. Those 744 00:40:29,960 --> 00:40:34,720 Speaker 1: are names and personalities you get behind in the names 745 00:40:34,760 --> 00:40:40,120 Speaker 1: and personalities. The biggest and best in baseball were steroids. Well, 746 00:40:40,200 --> 00:40:42,800 Speaker 1: that hurts the game, I know, I don't. I don't know. 747 00:40:42,880 --> 00:40:45,800 Speaker 1: I don't think it's the steroids. I think people misassociated. 748 00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:49,160 Speaker 1: I think people think, well, steroids was good for baseball. 749 00:40:49,320 --> 00:40:51,760 Speaker 1: You took steroids out of baseball, it's bad for baseball. 750 00:40:51,880 --> 00:40:54,560 Speaker 1: And I think the opposite is true, because what steroids 751 00:40:54,640 --> 00:40:58,520 Speaker 1: did was they created this level of greatness that cannot 752 00:40:58,640 --> 00:41:02,800 Speaker 1: be achieved on your own. You can't be achieved on 753 00:41:02,840 --> 00:41:07,600 Speaker 1: your own. Shoeyotani has thirty one home runs. Okay, thirty 754 00:41:07,640 --> 00:41:09,960 Speaker 1: one home runs. Now, go ahead and do the math, 755 00:41:10,520 --> 00:41:14,760 Speaker 1: and you look at the the Angels, so they played 756 00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:17,719 Speaker 1: was at forty one and forty two. So they played 757 00:41:17,800 --> 00:41:21,160 Speaker 1: eighty three games. You played one sixty two. He's roughly 758 00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:25,839 Speaker 1: on pace to break Roger Marris's record. Who's right there 759 00:41:25,880 --> 00:41:28,240 Speaker 1: to go right down the wire. And if that record 760 00:41:28,360 --> 00:41:31,920 Speaker 1: still stood, well then we'll be having that discussion. But 761 00:41:32,040 --> 00:41:36,560 Speaker 1: because those records were pushed to just obscene levels. Now 762 00:41:36,640 --> 00:41:39,719 Speaker 1: It's really hard to judge what is an all time 763 00:41:39,800 --> 00:41:43,200 Speaker 1: great season because actually steroids screwed it up. Not because 764 00:41:44,040 --> 00:41:46,920 Speaker 1: not because some moral sense, but because of the actual 765 00:41:47,080 --> 00:41:51,560 Speaker 1: output and statistical success of a sport, which is always 766 00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:58,480 Speaker 1: regards statistical success above anything else. I think I made 767 00:41:58,480 --> 00:42:00,440 Speaker 1: a point. I think I made it work. I hear you, 768 00:42:00,920 --> 00:42:02,560 Speaker 1: I hear you do all right. Coming up next, the 769 00:42:02,640 --> 00:42:05,640 Speaker 1: place both Ryan and I have worked has a little 770 00:42:05,640 --> 00:42:09,560 Speaker 1: bit of a scandal. What does it mean for sports media? 771 00:42:11,120 --> 00:42:13,919 Speaker 1: Maybe more than anything, what does it mean in terms 772 00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:16,840 Speaker 1: of societal and hiring. We'll talk about it next. This 773 00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:17,960 Speaker 1: is the Dan Patrick Show.