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Speaker 1: Hello everyone, Episode one fourteen Hemior Territory Podcast. I'm your

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Speaker 1: host of Brad rolland coming to you on Sunday evening,

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Speaker 1: deep into the night here into Monday in mid November,

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Speaker 1: and I am joined as I always am, by Scott Coleman. Scott,

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Speaker 1: we're on your time right now. What's going on?

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Speaker 2: Hey, Brad? Others may sleep, but you never sleep. You

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Speaker 2: are a madman doing this deep into the night. We'll

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Speaker 2: probably wrap this show up about midnight Eastern, which is

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Speaker 2: par for the course. And hey, maybe the Braves will

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Speaker 2: help kind of thaw out the league wide I don't

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Speaker 2: even know the right word for it. Glacial pace of

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Speaker 2: this offseason so far, and crazy enough, kind of nuts

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Speaker 2: to say the Braves have actually done more than like

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Speaker 2: ninety percent of the teams in baseball so far. So

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Speaker 2: I know a few people reached out to me today

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Speaker 2: of like, oh my god, is anything ever going to

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Speaker 2: happen with the off season. The answer is yes at

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Speaker 2: some point, but who knows, it might be a little

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Speaker 2: while before we get some action.

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Speaker 1: That is definitely right. And I'm glad you said that

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Speaker 1: because people said it's something to me, like, all right,

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Speaker 1: it's way slow, and I have to remind them just

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Speaker 1: exactly what you said, like, the Braves have actually not

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Speaker 1: that they've spoiled us too much, but they've done some stuff,

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Speaker 1: and most teams have not done anything to this point.

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Speaker 1: I'm looking as an experiment, as you were talking, at

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Speaker 1: the front page of ESPN's MLB coverage right now, and

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Speaker 1: the first headline on the right is about a Ted

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Speaker 1: Williams MVP worth selling for some amount of money, and

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Speaker 1: the second one is Brewster Gretarol's shoulder injury for the Dodgers.

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Speaker 1: That kind of tells you where we are at this

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Speaker 1: stage on Sunday evening into Monday, and we'll get into

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Speaker 1: a lot of stuff on the podcast today. By the way,

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Speaker 1: we should have the top of the show. We are

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Speaker 1: We're on Apple, at Spotify and overcast all those places.

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Speaker 1: Plus we're on YouTube if you want to watch Scott

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Speaker 1: and myself and Sean and Stephen in video form. And

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Speaker 1: we have been busy on the show. We did three

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Speaker 1: episodes last week. Even though the brists have been pretty

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Speaker 1: quiet talked about the exit of Travis Darnaut of from

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Speaker 1: the Braves to the Angels a big change in the

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Speaker 1: Braves TV landscape for those of us that are not

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Speaker 1: like Scott and can't just watch the bravesignlyb dot TV.

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Speaker 1: It'd be a lot easier if we were able to

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Speaker 1: do that locally in the market Scott. But anyway, there's

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Speaker 1: been a lot going on, even if there has nothing

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I wanted to just quickly note I

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Speaker 2: know you and I don't believe have done a show

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Speaker 2: since Travis Darnaut signed with the Angels. Good for Travis

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Speaker 2: to get the twelve million dollars guarantee. I think you

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Speaker 2: and I and most people were surprised that the Braves

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Speaker 2: declined his eight million dollar option. Of course, we talked

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Speaker 2: about it a lot on the podcast network, especially Steven

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Speaker 2: and Shawn did a great show a couple of nights ago.

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Speaker 2: But it's gonna be weird. I mean, Travis has kind of,

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Speaker 2: I guess, quietly been with the organization since twenty twenty.

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Speaker 2: Was a very very good baseball player for the Atlanta Braves.

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Speaker 2: Everybody around the team raved about Travis and what he

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Speaker 2: did not only on the field but in the clubhouse

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Speaker 2: and working with the pitching staff. So a significant loss,

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Speaker 2: and I'm very curious to see what, if anything, the

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Speaker 2: and I think would be remiss to not just give

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Speaker 2: Travis a farewell and a best wish. Is good for him.

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Speaker 2: He's going to be reunited with some Braves, and it

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Speaker 2: sounds like he's going to have a chance to play

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Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure, Chelson Travis, that's the best way to

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Speaker 1: put that. And he was a key piece of the

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Speaker 1: team on the World Series. He caught i think every

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Speaker 1: sure to let him go. I'm sure they in fact

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Speaker 1: they know that they love Travis. But perhaps, as we'll

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Speaker 1: and they chose to maybe use that money elsewhere, and

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Speaker 1: Travis pivots and gets more money guaranteed, and that's the

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Speaker 1: which is not always the sexiest thing in the world.

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Speaker 1: I will certainly acknowledge that, but it is a important

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Speaker 1: thing and the Braves have valued it at a very

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Speaker 1: high level. Before we get to that, though, there is

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Speaker 1: even really news, but like rumbling rumor how do you

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Speaker 1: want to put that? Scott In the last few days,

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Speaker 1: our old pal John Morosi, not I'm not quite as

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Speaker 1: pell John Hammond. But Morosi reported Braves having interest in

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Speaker 1: Walker Buehler. We did talk about Walker Buhler extensively, or

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Speaker 1: Asian show that you and I did about a week

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Speaker 1: that episode even it'd be very alex Anthopolis to go

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Speaker 1: how much stock do you put it into it?

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Speaker 2: In mid November? Yeah, you know, I will say the

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Speaker 2: there is familiarity with Alexanthopolis and Walker Bueller. He is

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Speaker 2: as the Dodgers got deeper into the postseason, they clearly

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Speaker 2: at least one starting pitcher, if not two, and I

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Speaker 2: think Buehler, especially if you can tell yourself a story

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Speaker 2: If Buehler's willing to take a one year option or

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Speaker 2: that's kind of the range the Braves are going to

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Speaker 2: be looking at. And even though we heard Walker Buller's

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know there's always this debate we we

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Speaker 1: have to have it now about you know, why would

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Speaker 1: the Braves ever leak anything? Right, every time there's a

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Speaker 1: like the Braves never can look the Brave's done a

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Speaker 1: very good job not leaking things, that is well documented.

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Speaker 1: But they also don't it's not they never leak anything.

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Speaker 1: Like stuff gets out like it's usually not from them.

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Speaker 1: I would say it's usually from the Asian side almost

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Speaker 1: not like the Braves bat a thousand on never leaking

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Speaker 1: anything that some of their moves do get leaked ahead

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Speaker 1: for instance, Aaron Nola, the interest there got very widely reported,

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Speaker 1: said we were interested in ar Nooela all the way through.

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Speaker 1: So it does leak out sometimes. I believe the interest.

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Speaker 1: How serious it is, we just don't know. And you know,

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Speaker 1: Morossi didn't say like the Braves are like right in

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Speaker 1: of teams with Mark Weler. It's not anything crazy, but

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Speaker 1: link of maybe two weeks ago to other pictures, you know,

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Speaker 1: Nathan I Boldie was brought up as we discussed we fee,

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Speaker 1: but since then it's basically just been hey, you were interesting. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: And I get it like there's a big business behind

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Speaker 2: it makes our podcasts a lot easier when they're all.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we're talking about it right now for that reason.

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Speaker 2: Basically, So it is what it is exactly. But always uh,

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Speaker 2: when I see the headline of team is interested in

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Speaker 1: Of course they are. We're in the off season, Brad.

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Speaker 1: That's what they do.

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Speaker 2: picture's looking for. If there's a geography preference, some guys

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Speaker 2: or Florida where there's spring training. It happens. I sound

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Speaker 2: like a ranting old boomer right now, But yes, it

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Speaker 2: like every five minutes there was seemingly something going on.

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Speaker 2: But nonetheless, Walker Bueller a name to keep an eye on,

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Speaker 2: and he does feel like he would check off some

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Speaker 2: boxes for the Braves if they ultimately get to that

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Speaker 1: So that's the name of the monitor, and we listened

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Speaker 1: a bunch more names on that show. We could go

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Speaker 1: somebody that we never even discussed. That's what Alex tends

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Speaker 1: to do. But that will be interesting for sure. We

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Speaker 1: All right, Scott, before we have been some names on

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Speaker 1: We don't know the answer to that, but there is

431
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Speaker 1: more uncertainty. And like he's been only I think he

432
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Speaker 1: only made the top fifty and one of the three

433
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Speaker 1: major projections, and we trade rumors fangrafts in ESPM, it

434
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Speaker 1: was like two years, sixteen million dollars total this projection.

435
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Speaker 1: That's sounds like an AGM hundred to me. I really,

436
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Speaker 1: I'm not going to claim to know for sure what

437
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Speaker 1: he's gonna make on the market because of the injury.

438
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Speaker 1: But look, maybe they just pressed the AJ button and say,

439
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Speaker 1: all right, AJ, come on back. We like your health,

440
00:21:10,320 --> 00:21:13,479
Speaker 1: we've seen so far and we know you're good. He's

441
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Speaker 1: not as good as Tanner Scott, probably the biggest high

442
00:21:15,760 --> 00:21:18,720
Speaker 1: profile guy on the market, but like there's a relationship

443
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Speaker 1: there and it wouldn't stun me if if you just

444
00:21:20,880 --> 00:21:22,040
Speaker 1: just bring age back.

445
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Speaker 2: In terms of timing, the hip injury for AJ was

446
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Speaker 2: just brutal, very if AJ Mentor was healthy and didn't

447
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Speaker 2: need the hip surgery and what's coming off even like

448
00:21:35,280 --> 00:21:39,439
Speaker 2: an average season for his standards, he's probably looking at

449
00:21:39,520 --> 00:21:43,359
Speaker 2: a three year, thirty three million dollar deal, four years

450
00:21:43,440 --> 00:21:45,440
Speaker 2: for forty maybe even more than.

451
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Speaker 1: That, probably more than that. There's there's four or five

452
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Speaker 1: guys that are projected on all these lists to get

453
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Speaker 1: you know, four year deals, a big money and he's

454
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Speaker 1: as good as all of these guys when he's healthy.

455
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Speaker 1: So like, yeah, I mean, and when you talk about

456
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Speaker 1: it beforehand, all of these guys who are free agents

457
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Speaker 1: are in their thirties. Just as reminded to everybody, like

458
00:22:05,040 --> 00:22:07,080
Speaker 1: you don't get to free agency until your thirties unless

459
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Speaker 1: you're an absolute freak like Won Soto like most guys

460
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Speaker 1: are thirty one thirty two when they hit free agency.

461
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Speaker 1: AJ's thirty one years old and he's made to be

462
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Speaker 1: some money the last couple of years, but he's only

463
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Speaker 1: made fifteen million dollars total in six major league seasons.

464
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Speaker 1: This is when you make your money. And that's to

465
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Speaker 1: the point about the timing, Like, of course we like

466
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Speaker 1: Aj as a Brave for this whole time, but man,

467
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Speaker 1: just as a person in the world, like to have that,

468
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Speaker 1: Like he was almost certainly going to more than double

469
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Speaker 1: his career earnings with a stroke of a pen. And

470
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Speaker 1: he might and he might still, but he's going to

471
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Speaker 1: get less than he would have gotten fe was healthy, and.

472
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Speaker 2: It might work out to the Braves' advantage, Yeah, because

473
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Speaker 2: if he was coming off another mega year, I don't

474
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Speaker 2: think they would be entertaining the idea of a four

475
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Speaker 2: year deal for AJ. So maybe it'll work out, you know.

476
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Speaker 2: The one unknown is what is his hip? Like it

477
00:22:58,560 --> 00:23:02,560
Speaker 2: was a pretty nasty injury from all reporting, there was

478
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Speaker 2: talk that AJ was trying to gut through it and

479
00:23:05,359 --> 00:23:08,720
Speaker 2: pitch through it over the summer months, but someone reported

480
00:23:08,760 --> 00:23:11,440
Speaker 2: that he was having trouble even like walking up a

481
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Speaker 2: flight of stairs at a point. I mean, how are

482
00:23:14,720 --> 00:23:16,840
Speaker 2: you supposed to throw a baseball ninety five miles an

483
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Speaker 2: hour when you can't even walk upstairs without being in pain.

484
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Speaker 2: So credit to AJ for gutting through it and trying

485
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Speaker 2: to give the team everything he could. Ultimately, he had

486
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Speaker 2: to have the surgery in August and we'll see what

487
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Speaker 2: the medicals look like. Maybe AJ and his agent are

488
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Speaker 2: intentionally delaying his free agency just a little bit, just

489
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Speaker 2: so his medicals come back better and cleaner and teams

490
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Speaker 2: might be a little more confident in that he is

491
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Speaker 2: going to be available at the start of the season

492
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Speaker 2: or close to it. But of all the names we're

493
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Speaker 2: going to talk about tonight, I really do feel that

494
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Speaker 2: AJ could be back with the Braves. And I mean,

495
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Speaker 2: if I had to put a prediction on where Aj

496
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Speaker 2: Mintor is pitching next season, I would say Atlanta because

497
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Speaker 2: of the familiar He's very good, there's a trust there.

498
00:24:03,560 --> 00:24:06,560
Speaker 2: And but as you also said, he has not made

499
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Speaker 2: boatloads of money to this point. And if the Braves

500
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Speaker 2: you're on like a one year, seven million dollar deal

501
00:24:12,920 --> 00:24:14,840
Speaker 2: and a team comes in at like two years and

502
00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:19,119
Speaker 2: twenty million, I don't know, Brad. I mean that's uh no.

503
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Speaker 1: He has to take that. I mean, yeah, there's there

504
00:24:21,280 --> 00:24:25,399
Speaker 1: might be a slight hometown discount for someone like Ajay,

505
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Speaker 1: But I use the words slight intentionally, like when you

506
00:24:28,320 --> 00:24:30,120
Speaker 1: haven't made that much money in your career. And look,

507
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Speaker 1: I don't expect fans to always agree with this. You

508
00:24:32,840 --> 00:24:35,760
Speaker 1: want your team to win, I understand. I always try

509
00:24:35,800 --> 00:24:37,040
Speaker 1: to give it a little bit, a little bit of

510
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Speaker 1: humanity with these guys are all humans. And if he's

511
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Speaker 1: gonna get paid half of what he's gonna make somewhere else,

512
00:24:44,440 --> 00:24:46,320
Speaker 1: he's he should leave. That's just what it is, like

513
00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:48,560
Speaker 1: you're trying to be So we'll see how that goes.

514
00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:50,840
Speaker 1: But I would talk about him first because again, he

515
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Speaker 1: probably isn't the best guy on the market by his

516
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Speaker 1: like you know, contract projections, but he is very good

517
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Speaker 1: when he has pitched, and as long as he is healthy,

518
00:24:58,359 --> 00:25:00,320
Speaker 1: and that is a big if. But if he's healthy,

519
00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:03,000
Speaker 1: he would really help the bullpen. They know him, he

520
00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:08,720
Speaker 1: likes it here, et cetera, et cetera. From there, there's

521
00:25:08,800 --> 00:25:11,040
Speaker 1: like four guys that I could find on the projections

522
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Speaker 1: that like seemingly are gonna get big money. And let's

523
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Speaker 1: just give a disclaimer, Now, Scott, I think we agree

524
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Speaker 1: on this. You and I are not scholars on all

525
00:25:18,040 --> 00:25:20,800
Speaker 1: of these pitchers. Relievers are volatile. We don't have the

526
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Speaker 1: same level of takes on these guys as some of

527
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Speaker 1: the other players.

528
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Speaker 3: Is that fair?

529
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Speaker 1: As a starter position players like I know a lot

530
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Speaker 1: or alwisht to have more confidence of what I know

531
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Speaker 1: about Willia Damas and One Soto than I do about

532
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Speaker 1: Clay Holmes. Let's just say, sure, sure, that's a fairly

533
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Speaker 1: of you.

534
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Speaker 2: I can give you one sentence, like an educated one

535
00:25:40,760 --> 00:25:44,560
Speaker 2: sentence opinion on play homes without doing twenty minutes of research.

536
00:25:45,080 --> 00:25:47,760
Speaker 2: I could talk about Willy Adamas because I'm a baseball

537
00:25:47,800 --> 00:25:50,680
Speaker 2: fan and he's a star level player, et cetera, et cetera.

538
00:25:51,040 --> 00:25:53,840
Speaker 2: I could talk about Willy Adamas for you know, however

539
00:25:53,920 --> 00:25:55,679
Speaker 2: long you would want to hear me rant about him.

540
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Speaker 2: But yes, I think it's worth pointing out that as

541
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Speaker 2: Brad and I list, I don't know Brad a dozen

542
00:26:01,760 --> 00:26:05,760
Speaker 2: names here, maybe two dozen that we're gonna mention all

543
00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:09,960
Speaker 2: of these pitchers. They are relievers. They are volatile by nature.

544
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Speaker 2: Some of them are going to continue to be great,

545
00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:15,480
Speaker 2: some of them are going to be bad. Relievers really

546
00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:20,240
Speaker 2: are the most volatile group of players in baseball year

547
00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:24,720
Speaker 2: over year. Only the great ones are consistently great, like

548
00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:27,639
Speaker 2: in aj Minter, who has been pretty great basically his

549
00:26:27,720 --> 00:26:30,680
Speaker 2: whole career and especially the last three or four seasons.

550
00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:33,800
Speaker 2: It's really hard to do. And it's also, i mean,

551
00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:37,800
Speaker 2: let's be real, for relievers, three or four appearances can

552
00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:41,280
Speaker 2: be the difference between a great season and a not

553
00:26:41,480 --> 00:26:43,960
Speaker 2: so great season, because if you give up six runs

554
00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:46,879
Speaker 2: in one inning, yeah, it's going to kill your numbers

555
00:26:46,960 --> 00:26:49,560
Speaker 2: for the rest of the year. So it's hardly an

556
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Speaker 2: exact science, but clearly, bullpens, the way they are used

557
00:26:54,040 --> 00:26:56,520
Speaker 2: now in this modern era, you have to have a

558
00:26:56,600 --> 00:26:58,440
Speaker 2: good bullpen if you're going to make a deep run

559
00:26:58,480 --> 00:27:02,399
Speaker 2: in October. It is the maybe not the one thing, Brad,

560
00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:04,240
Speaker 2: that teams have to have in order to win a

561
00:27:04,280 --> 00:27:07,080
Speaker 2: World Series and to win multiple rounds in the playoffs.

562
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Speaker 2: But if you don't have a good bullpen or at

563
00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:12,359
Speaker 2: least a really good four or five relievers you can

564
00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:16,080
Speaker 2: count on, it's really tough to advance deep into the

565
00:27:16,119 --> 00:27:17,000
Speaker 2: playoffs without it.

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Speaker 1: Well, and look, Brice Finns should remember very well. You

567
00:27:21,320 --> 00:27:23,359
Speaker 1: know their bullpen in twenty twenty one was arguably the

568
00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:25,560
Speaker 1: number one reason why they won the World Series. I

569
00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:29,200
Speaker 1: mean having having the night Shift as they call it, wonderable.

570
00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:31,240
Speaker 1: Think it's a name. It's usually a good sign, you

571
00:27:31,280 --> 00:27:34,040
Speaker 1: know what I mean. Like, and those guys were those

572
00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:36,560
Speaker 1: guys were so incredibly dominant that entire run that that

573
00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:38,359
Speaker 1: is a big reason why they won the World Series.

574
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Speaker 1: And that's just that's undeniable. And look, it's it's lightning

575
00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:43,800
Speaker 1: in the bottle in some respects. So Tyler Matsik has

576
00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:46,359
Speaker 1: never been that good before since, but he was for

577
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Speaker 1: that little stretch of time. Luke Jackson, all those like,

578
00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:51,560
Speaker 1: all those guys were great at that Will Smith did

579
00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:53,600
Speaker 1: not allow to earn run in the playoffs.

580
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Speaker 2: After nearly giving us a heart attack every time he

581
00:27:56,600 --> 00:28:00,360
Speaker 2: took the mound for six months, and so volatility being

582
00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:03,400
Speaker 2: to Mariano Rivera for the month of October, and God

583
00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:06,000
Speaker 2: bless him because he's a hero in all of our hearts.

584
00:28:06,040 --> 00:28:07,399
Speaker 2: But yes, it is.

585
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Speaker 1: So that's why that's why you load up on bullpens

586
00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:11,800
Speaker 1: like you load up you you could do as much

587
00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:13,480
Speaker 1: as you possibly And that seems to be what Alex's

588
00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:15,439
Speaker 1: philosophy is is do as much as you possibly can

589
00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:18,680
Speaker 1: and then let the variants, let go and let go

590
00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:22,360
Speaker 1: and see what happens from there. But anyway, aside from AJ,

591
00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:25,080
Speaker 1: you know, there are four guys who it seems like

592
00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:26,840
Speaker 1: it will be a surprise based on the projections if

593
00:28:26,840 --> 00:28:29,960
Speaker 1: they don't get at least eight figures per season on

594
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Speaker 1: some length of deal, and they are in no order.

595
00:28:33,320 --> 00:28:36,080
Speaker 1: Tanner Scott, Jeff Hoffman is kind of a hybrid. We'll

596
00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:38,880
Speaker 1: talk about him in a second. Clay Holmes and Blake Trinon.

597
00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:42,800
Speaker 1: Those guys all have solid eight figure, ten plus million

598
00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:46,160
Speaker 1: dollar av projections. Tanner Scott's kind of be in his

599
00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:48,560
Speaker 1: own tier from what this looks looks like from the projections,

600
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Speaker 1: He's projected to get four years from all three of ESPN, ELM,

601
00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:55,440
Speaker 1: tre Rumors and Fangrass for like fifteen million ish a year.

602
00:28:55,560 --> 00:28:57,920
Speaker 1: That's a lot of money for a relief pitcher. He's

603
00:28:57,920 --> 00:29:00,600
Speaker 1: a three year old lefty. He has been really awesome

604
00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:03,320
Speaker 1: in the last two years. Base on why I just

605
00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:05,560
Speaker 1: told you, Scott, it seems this is me talking now.

606
00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:08,480
Speaker 1: I will be surprised if they signed Tanner Scott because

607
00:29:08,520 --> 00:29:10,000
Speaker 1: it feels like there's going to be a bidding war

608
00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:12,040
Speaker 1: for Tanner Scott and I don't think the Bridges are

609
00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:13,840
Speaker 1: in a position to win a bidding war when they

610
00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:16,080
Speaker 1: already are paying Iglacia sixteen million dollars year.

611
00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:20,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, and they already have two good lefties in Dylan

612
00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:25,560
Speaker 2: Lee and Aaron Bummer. So yes, of all these names,

613
00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:26,200
Speaker 2: last a J.

614
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Speaker 1: If they were to bring back AJ two, it's like

615
00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:30,280
Speaker 1: there's no chance they're going to sign Tanner Scott and AJ.

616
00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:31,080
Speaker 1: That's not happening.

617
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Speaker 2: But even Angel Perdomo, who we talked about at the

618
00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:38,520
Speaker 2: top of the show. Perdomo, for those who don't know quickly,

619
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Speaker 2: he has wicked stuff. He's gigantic, He's like six foot eight.

620
00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:47,960
Speaker 2: He's a lefty, but he's basically thrown like forty innings

621
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Speaker 2: since twenty twenty one, with some injuries. The Brave signed

622
00:29:52,120 --> 00:29:55,959
Speaker 2: Perdomo last winter with the idea that he will be well.

623
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Speaker 2: They knew that he was not going to pitch in

624
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Speaker 2: twenty twenty four. He could also be part of the

625
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Speaker 2: twenty twenty five bullpen mix. So yes, if they're going

626
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Speaker 2: to invest in a reliever, I'm pretty confident it would

627
00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:10,680
Speaker 2: be other than AJ mentor of these names, it would

628
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Speaker 2: be one of the Rioties.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so Scott's number one most list, but I think

630
00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:16,600
Speaker 1: it wouldn't make a ton of sense on some level.

631
00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:22,040
Speaker 1: Jeff Hoffman has some Renaldo Lopez vibes for this reason.

632
00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:24,360
Speaker 1: He's a thirty one year old right hander. He has

633
00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:27,520
Speaker 1: made fifty starts in the major leagues. He has been

634
00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:31,040
Speaker 1: a starter for several years now. But he was great

635
00:30:31,080 --> 00:30:33,080
Speaker 1: in Philadelphia as a reliever in the last two years.

636
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Speaker 1: And I know Philadelphia is going to be a repellent

637
00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:37,280
Speaker 1: for a lot of people, but these guys are pros.

638
00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:37,880
Speaker 2: It is what it is.

639
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Speaker 1: He commanded great last year. I don't know if he's

640
00:30:41,760 --> 00:30:44,560
Speaker 1: going to be a starting a starting option for somebody somewhere,

641
00:30:44,600 --> 00:30:46,240
Speaker 1: but it wouldn't stun me if a team was like,

642
00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:48,280
Speaker 1: you know what, if we could sign him to a

643
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Speaker 1: reliever contract and have him be a starter a lah

644
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Speaker 1: with the Braves with Ronald Lopez. They're paying him and

645
00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:57,320
Speaker 1: by the way, they're still paying Ronaldo reliever money to

646
00:30:57,440 --> 00:30:59,479
Speaker 1: be a high end starter, and that's a great thing

647
00:30:59,560 --> 00:31:01,920
Speaker 1: to have had. I'll say that's gonna happ for Jeff Hoffan,

648
00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:04,520
Speaker 1: but uh, if he's a reliever, he's already he's already good,

649
00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:06,640
Speaker 1: and there's a little bit of a twinge of could

650
00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:09,000
Speaker 1: he start for somebody that makes him interesting? And I

651
00:31:09,080 --> 00:31:12,480
Speaker 1: think brace I've heard people already, people people in our lot.

652
00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:13,800
Speaker 1: I think even I don't want to don't want to

653
00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:16,080
Speaker 1: say this. I think Sean is a Jeff Hoffman guy,

654
00:31:16,120 --> 00:31:18,320
Speaker 1: somebody that I talked to as a Jeff Foffin guy, like, Hey,

655
00:31:18,800 --> 00:31:21,440
Speaker 1: I'm like, hey, look everything I see on the numbers,

656
00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:24,760
Speaker 1: I don't enjoy watching the brace face Jeff Offman, He's good,

657
00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:26,200
Speaker 1: so sign me up.

658
00:31:26,280 --> 00:31:29,480
Speaker 2: It's just you know, yeah, see, the last two seasons,

659
00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:32,680
Speaker 2: Jeff Hoffman has been like a legitimately like a top

660
00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:37,520
Speaker 2: five ish reliever in baseball, and he doesn't close, or

661
00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:40,360
Speaker 2: he doesn't close in a full time capacity, so it's

662
00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:42,200
Speaker 2: not like he's one of these guys who have fifty

663
00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:45,680
Speaker 2: saves and everybody acknowledges him as oh, yeah, he is

664
00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:49,200
Speaker 2: the guy. Yeah. I mean this past season he was

665
00:31:49,280 --> 00:31:53,200
Speaker 2: worth two war as a reliever and only closed out

666
00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:56,040
Speaker 2: ten games for the Phillies. So that kind of speaks

667
00:31:56,040 --> 00:31:59,320
Speaker 2: to how good Hoffman is. I'm sure that his agent

668
00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:02,960
Speaker 2: is trying to sell Hoffman as a Ronaldo Lopez type,

669
00:32:03,560 --> 00:32:06,040
Speaker 2: as if It's easy to just roll out of bed

670
00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:09,720
Speaker 2: and have a two ERA over twenty eight starts and

671
00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:12,640
Speaker 2: you know nothing to it. I started baseball games once.

672
00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:16,080
Speaker 2: I can do it again. Hey, if the Braves want

673
00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:18,600
Speaker 2: to go after Hoffman, and I mean, I don't really

674
00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:21,040
Speaker 2: care what role it would be. If they want to

675
00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:23,600
Speaker 2: try to make him a hybrid starter, go for it.

676
00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:26,840
Speaker 2: If he's good, you've done it again. If he stinks,

677
00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:31,200
Speaker 2: you know you have an elite right handed arm. Maybe

678
00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:34,040
Speaker 2: he wants to close, That's the only thing I can

679
00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:36,800
Speaker 2: maybe think of. He might be looking for closer money

680
00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:40,640
Speaker 2: and a closer role. But if he doesn't care, Jeff

681
00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:43,480
Speaker 2: Hoffman's as good as it gets among right handed relievers,

682
00:32:43,520 --> 00:32:46,640
Speaker 2: and I'd be down for paying him to if the

683
00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:50,120
Speaker 2: price was reasonable, We'll say, yeah, we agree there.

684
00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:51,720
Speaker 1: For sure, there is some flexibility. You just want to

685
00:32:51,760 --> 00:32:53,360
Speaker 1: at least note that he's the only guy on this

686
00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:55,920
Speaker 1: little mini list that has that potential. Strutch out a

687
00:32:55,920 --> 00:32:58,920
Speaker 1: little bit if he wants to mentioned before. Clay Holmes

688
00:32:59,040 --> 00:33:01,920
Speaker 1: thirty two year old right the Yankees. He's been good

689
00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:05,080
Speaker 1: and consistent the last three years. And Blake Trenton is older,

690
00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:08,120
Speaker 1: he's thirty six. Man, he's been awesome for the last

691
00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:10,440
Speaker 1: four years with the Dodgers. I kind of was amazed

692
00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:12,440
Speaker 1: by the numbers. He has a two point twenty nine

693
00:33:12,520 --> 00:33:16,800
Speaker 1: ERA in the last five seasons combined with the Dodgers. Uh,

694
00:33:17,040 --> 00:33:19,840
Speaker 1: he's old though, he's thirty six, not a closer, probably

695
00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:22,440
Speaker 1: up the stage of his career, but hey, that could

696
00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:25,120
Speaker 1: be another Look. The Braves like old guys. The Braves

697
00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:28,080
Speaker 1: like maybe a short term deal would be Uh. Like

698
00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:31,520
Speaker 1: some of these guys, you know, Hoffman, Holmes, Scott, they

699
00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:34,400
Speaker 1: might want three or four They they might prioritize length

700
00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:36,440
Speaker 1: of their contract. They're at that age where like you

701
00:33:36,520 --> 00:33:38,600
Speaker 1: might want four years. The Braiders probably don't want to

702
00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:41,280
Speaker 1: give those guys four years. Maybe they will. Trent's not

703
00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:43,080
Speaker 1: a four year guy. It might be a two for

704
00:33:43,240 --> 00:33:45,040
Speaker 1: twenty eight kind of thing or something like that. That's

705
00:33:45,040 --> 00:33:47,120
Speaker 1: a lot of money for reliever. But if he's pitches

706
00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:48,600
Speaker 1: like the way he's been pitching the last couple of years,

707
00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:50,360
Speaker 1: it's a park and you.

708
00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:53,360
Speaker 2: Know, as we progress through the winter, I'm curious just

709
00:33:53,560 --> 00:33:57,720
Speaker 2: how many relievers Alex think he needs to add. Yeah,

710
00:33:57,840 --> 00:34:01,640
Speaker 2: now there's always the basically the free flyers that teams

711
00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:04,760
Speaker 2: will take Ken Giles was that guy last year for

712
00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:05,760
Speaker 2: the Braves.

713
00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:07,160
Speaker 1: There will be some of those. I promise you that

714
00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:08,680
Speaker 1: I was gonna sign like two or three guys we

715
00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:09,680
Speaker 1: have for that kind before.

716
00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:13,240
Speaker 2: Well, there are always veterans in February who get an invite.

717
00:34:13,680 --> 00:34:15,759
Speaker 2: Eighty ninety percent of the time they don't work out.

718
00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:18,320
Speaker 2: But every now and then you strike gold with Tyler

719
00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:21,920
Speaker 2: Matzik who was basically a nobody and then went on

720
00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:26,160
Speaker 2: a historic year run and the rest is history. So

721
00:34:26,520 --> 00:34:29,720
Speaker 2: I think the conversation the Braves might be having is, Okay,

722
00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:34,040
Speaker 2: we could add one top tier arm for X million dollars,

723
00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:36,719
Speaker 2: or we could go into maybe the second or third

724
00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:39,520
Speaker 2: or fourth tiers of free agency, find some guys we

725
00:34:39,600 --> 00:34:42,640
Speaker 2: really like and add two or three of them and

726
00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:45,480
Speaker 2: hope that one of them takes the next step forward.

727
00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:49,359
Speaker 2: As we said earlier, relievers, they're an interesting group. They're

728
00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:51,600
Speaker 2: great and then they're terrible, and then they're great again,

729
00:34:51,719 --> 00:34:54,680
Speaker 2: and then they're terrible again. So I think in the

730
00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:57,200
Speaker 2: way this bullpen is set up, I'm almost more interested

731
00:34:57,280 --> 00:35:00,960
Speaker 2: in quantity than well want him to be good. But

732
00:35:01,080 --> 00:35:03,000
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying, I think for the money

733
00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:05,400
Speaker 2: you could pay a tanner Scott or one of these

734
00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:08,359
Speaker 2: big arms. I'd rather add two or three and see

735
00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:12,879
Speaker 2: the straight goal. To that point, the Braves have also

736
00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:14,840
Speaker 2: we're not gonna talk about trade targets on this podcast,

737
00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:16,880
Speaker 2: but they've also done a lot of these things by

738
00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:20,560
Speaker 2: trade recently. Aaron Bummer was a trade. Pierre Johnson was

739
00:35:20,560 --> 00:35:21,000
Speaker 2: a trade.

740
00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:23,719
Speaker 1: Like they've they've done they've done this stuff with like

741
00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:25,839
Speaker 1: guys who were Aaron Bummer had you know, we talked

742
00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:27,840
Speaker 1: about it a lot, but had an ugly ra but

743
00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:29,960
Speaker 1: had great peripherals. And they were like, they can find

744
00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:32,719
Speaker 1: these guys. Alex has his types that he likes, and uh,

745
00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:34,759
Speaker 1: it would not surprise me to your point if they

746
00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:36,919
Speaker 1: went out and try to target they might just trade

747
00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:39,160
Speaker 1: for two guys, not say anybody in freegans that that

748
00:35:39,239 --> 00:35:41,120
Speaker 1: might happen too. It's just hard to find, hard to

749
00:35:41,160 --> 00:35:43,440
Speaker 1: talk about those guys. They're on somebody's roster right now.

750
00:35:43,719 --> 00:35:46,920
Speaker 1: Sure the rest of these names, like are not as

751
00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:49,239
Speaker 1: big of the names, but there are some guys who

752
00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:51,440
Speaker 1: were like consistently in the top fifty sixty on free

753
00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:54,399
Speaker 1: agent lists. And then uh, at the end of the show,

754
00:35:54,440 --> 00:35:56,440
Speaker 1: let's do like an old friends section, because there are

755
00:35:56,560 --> 00:36:01,240
Speaker 1: lots of old friends available to that. A couple of names.

756
00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:04,960
Speaker 1: Carlos Steves, thirty two year old right hander, had a

757
00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:08,960
Speaker 1: breakout year last year. Mid two Zra doesn't walk anybody.

758
00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:12,279
Speaker 1: Paul Sewald has been a good reliever for a while now,

759
00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:16,120
Speaker 1: thirty four year old guy, last four years across three teams,

760
00:36:16,160 --> 00:36:17,600
Speaker 1: Like kind of been a floating guy, but you know,

761
00:36:17,680 --> 00:36:21,040
Speaker 1: bow three, Zra. And then speaking of old guys, David

762
00:36:21,120 --> 00:36:23,040
Speaker 1: Robertson has been pitching in the Major League since I

763
00:36:23,239 --> 00:36:26,239
Speaker 1: was a small child. That's not true, but he's he's

764
00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:29,239
Speaker 1: gonna be forty pretty soon, and he's legitimately been a

765
00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:32,400
Speaker 1: good reliever for fifteen plus years. Like I'm not exaggerating

766
00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:34,120
Speaker 1: when I say that he was a good reliever when

767
00:36:34,160 --> 00:36:36,480
Speaker 1: I was in college. That's not an exaggeration.

768
00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:37,040
Speaker 2: Uh.

769
00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:39,719
Speaker 1: And he still had a three point zero era ERA

770
00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:42,960
Speaker 1: this year and seventy two innings for Texas at age

771
00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:45,480
Speaker 1: thirty nine. So like those are the kind of been

772
00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:48,359
Speaker 1: talking about. Do you have any favorites of that group

773
00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:50,239
Speaker 1: by any chance? I mean, Robertson would be very brave

774
00:36:50,280 --> 00:36:53,439
Speaker 1: score being forty, Like I'm not it's not all about age,

775
00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:55,040
Speaker 1: but like that's a that's a one year contract guy

776
00:36:55,080 --> 00:36:55,680
Speaker 1: almost certainly.

777
00:36:56,880 --> 00:37:00,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know this group, uh you know pass Sea Wald.

778
00:37:00,680 --> 00:37:03,480
Speaker 2: If you asked a Diamondbacks fan, I would tell you

779
00:37:03,640 --> 00:37:05,759
Speaker 2: he is like the worst pitcher on planet Earth.

780
00:37:06,239 --> 00:37:08,480
Speaker 1: It's mixed results for team by team for Paul. See.

781
00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:10,239
Speaker 1: That's kind why I stared laughing earlier, because I knew

782
00:37:10,239 --> 00:37:12,120
Speaker 1: that you read to say it's about Diamebackster in this sytch.

783
00:37:12,160 --> 00:37:15,239
Speaker 2: But yeah, Seawald was the one who gave up that

784
00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:18,120
Speaker 2: go ahead homer to Sean Murphy in the ninth inning.

785
00:37:18,680 --> 00:37:21,480
Speaker 2: Basically ended up being the difference between Arizona getting in

786
00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:24,800
Speaker 2: the playoffs and the Braves getting in the playoffs. Funny

787
00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:26,800
Speaker 2: how that can kind of work. But you know, of

788
00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:29,880
Speaker 2: this group, Estevez, he kind of came out of nowhere.

789
00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:33,800
Speaker 2: You know. I think Kylie McDaniel of ESPN had a

790
00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:36,560
Speaker 2: good ride up about Estevez where he was one of

791
00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:39,320
Speaker 2: the free agents. He would probably want to stay away

792
00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:43,680
Speaker 2: from Seawald, Okay, if he's like the third or fourth

793
00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:49,080
Speaker 2: riding in your bullpen, it's probably fine. And Robertson, Yeah,

794
00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:52,200
Speaker 2: forty years old, it's insane. I remember back in the

795
00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:55,680
Speaker 2: day Bred on the Battery Power Show. I think Robertson

796
00:37:55,840 --> 00:37:58,399
Speaker 2: was connected to the Braves and free agency like three

797
00:37:58,520 --> 00:38:02,480
Speaker 2: years ago, and we talked about it, and so, hey, man,

798
00:38:02,600 --> 00:38:05,800
Speaker 2: good for him. If you're collecting millions of dollars making

799
00:38:06,280 --> 00:38:09,360
Speaker 2: sixty bullpen pitch appearances out of the out of the

800
00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:12,560
Speaker 2: bullpen a year, good for you. You know, hey, If

801
00:38:12,560 --> 00:38:14,719
Speaker 2: the Braves want to keep their quota of forty year

802
00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:16,440
Speaker 2: olds on the roster, then go ahead.

803
00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:19,239
Speaker 1: He's a just a chimes replace spent more ways than one.

804
00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:21,759
Speaker 1: But my favorite stat on, my favorite little nugget about

805
00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:24,880
Speaker 1: Dave Robertson got he got multiple cy young voats in

806
00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:28,000
Speaker 1: twenty eleven with Yankees. Oh wow, twenty eleventh a long

807
00:38:28,040 --> 00:38:31,360
Speaker 1: time ago for the record, but it makes me laugh anyway.

808
00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:33,600
Speaker 1: All right, we've gotten to the fun part of the show,

809
00:38:34,719 --> 00:38:37,840
Speaker 1: and that's the old friends section. One of these is

810
00:38:37,840 --> 00:38:42,760
Speaker 1: a little bit different than the others. Michael Soroka formerly

811
00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:46,719
Speaker 1: Mike Soroka, four Braves prospect, turned high, high end starter

812
00:38:46,760 --> 00:38:48,719
Speaker 1: and then he got hurt. Of course, our old friend

813
00:38:48,840 --> 00:38:52,560
Speaker 1: Eric Cole's favorite player of all time. Mike Soroka is

814
00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:55,680
Speaker 1: a pretty interesting free agent. And of course, because we

815
00:38:55,719 --> 00:38:57,560
Speaker 1: thought we did not talk about him and started pitching show,

816
00:38:57,719 --> 00:39:00,840
Speaker 1: people asked about that he was still start. He was

817
00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:02,640
Speaker 1: a starter part of the year this year with the

818
00:39:02,680 --> 00:39:06,280
Speaker 1: White Sox, but he was much much better as a reliever,

819
00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:08,640
Speaker 1: which is interesting because he was not a guy that

820
00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:10,600
Speaker 1: we thought was like a profile to be a reliever,

821
00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:13,480
Speaker 1: like some guys when they come uppress prospects. He was

822
00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:17,000
Speaker 1: a control command guy, et cetera. But how wout some

823
00:39:17,080 --> 00:39:21,560
Speaker 1: stats here for you, Scott. He had thirty six innings

824
00:39:21,640 --> 00:39:25,279
Speaker 1: of relief work this year with the White Sox. He

825
00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:30,000
Speaker 1: struck out sixty guys and he had twenty walks, which

826
00:39:30,040 --> 00:39:32,560
Speaker 1: is crazier even for Michael Seroka to walk twenty guy

827
00:39:32,680 --> 00:39:35,600
Speaker 1: in thirty six innings. So like he's changed a lot.

828
00:39:36,040 --> 00:39:39,719
Speaker 1: Maybe he's a reliever move forward. Obviously there's a relationship there.

829
00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:43,520
Speaker 1: I don't know, man, it's a very interesting profile for me.

830
00:39:44,160 --> 00:39:46,680
Speaker 1: Not a starter anymore. But he might want to still start,

831
00:39:46,760 --> 00:39:48,799
Speaker 1: and I'm sure someone somewhere will pay him to start.

832
00:39:48,880 --> 00:39:50,360
Speaker 1: I just don't think it's going to be in Atlanta.

833
00:39:50,600 --> 00:39:52,560
Speaker 1: But if you're if you, if you'm as a reliever,

834
00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:54,120
Speaker 1: I'm kind of in I don't.

835
00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:58,439
Speaker 2: Know, you know, I don't have a screaming hot take

836
00:39:58,560 --> 00:40:00,279
Speaker 2: one way or the other on my what's you do?

837
00:40:01,200 --> 00:40:01,440
Speaker 2: Come on?

838
00:40:01,640 --> 00:40:02,399
Speaker 1: Hit your six style?

839
00:40:03,040 --> 00:40:06,799
Speaker 2: But dude, I'm so happy for Mike that he after

840
00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:11,600
Speaker 2: a double Achilles tear. I mean, dear god man, the things,

841
00:40:12,080 --> 00:40:15,359
Speaker 2: the rehab that Soroka had to go through, a very

842
00:40:15,560 --> 00:40:18,440
Speaker 2: uncommon injury for baseball players, and for him to have

843
00:40:18,560 --> 00:40:21,239
Speaker 2: to do it twice, it's just remarkable. So good for Mike.

844
00:40:21,560 --> 00:40:23,879
Speaker 2: He is going to presumably get paid a pretty nice

845
00:40:23,920 --> 00:40:27,600
Speaker 2: penny this winter, and you know, hey, if the reunion

846
00:40:27,680 --> 00:40:31,000
Speaker 2: wants to happen, I'd be very very happy. I do agree.

847
00:40:31,200 --> 00:40:33,840
Speaker 2: I tend to think he is a reliever at this

848
00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:37,680
Speaker 2: point and probably not a starter, But similarly to a

849
00:40:37,800 --> 00:40:40,440
Speaker 2: Jeff Hoffman type, you could always try him in a

850
00:40:40,600 --> 00:40:43,200
Speaker 2: starter role again and then shift him back to the

851
00:40:43,280 --> 00:40:46,239
Speaker 2: bullpen because clearly he's kind of figured something out in that.

852
00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:49,800
Speaker 1: Role, And unlike a lot of these guys I said before,

853
00:40:49,920 --> 00:40:52,360
Speaker 1: like he's twenty seven, he's not thirty two in the

854
00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:54,520
Speaker 1: way that most of these guys are or older. So

855
00:40:54,920 --> 00:40:58,640
Speaker 1: potentially an intriguing reunion. There the other three guys that

856
00:40:58,719 --> 00:41:01,319
Speaker 1: are old friends. Actually there's four, but the other three

857
00:41:01,320 --> 00:41:03,920
Speaker 1: guys that are more serious on this list are old,

858
00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:07,719
Speaker 1: and not just old friends but old pitchers, but they

859
00:41:07,760 --> 00:41:11,279
Speaker 1: were all good this year. Kenley Jansen is a free

860
00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:14,399
Speaker 1: agent at age thirty seven, Kirby Yates is a free

861
00:41:14,440 --> 00:41:18,040
Speaker 1: agent at age thirty eight, and Chris Martin. Remember Chris Martin,

862
00:41:18,080 --> 00:41:20,680
Speaker 1: he was quite good in Atlanta. Yeah, he's now thirty

863
00:41:20,680 --> 00:41:24,319
Speaker 1: eight as well. And all three of those guys were

864
00:41:24,560 --> 00:41:27,879
Speaker 1: like capital G good last year in different spots. Ken

865
00:41:27,960 --> 00:41:31,239
Speaker 1: Lee is not like the dominant closer anymore, but it's

866
00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:35,000
Speaker 1: still a good reliever, good peripherals last year. Kirby Yates

867
00:41:35,040 --> 00:41:39,360
Speaker 1: had a one point one seven ERA last season for

868
00:41:39,480 --> 00:41:43,160
Speaker 1: the Rangers, obviously not that good underlying stuff, but still

869
00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:45,960
Speaker 1: that's crazy. And then Chris Martin in the last three

870
00:41:46,040 --> 00:41:48,560
Speaker 1: years that's leaving Atlanta, has an ERA and a FIP

871
00:41:48,640 --> 00:41:53,000
Speaker 1: in the mid twos. So like, look, they're on this

872
00:41:53,080 --> 00:41:55,680
Speaker 1: list because they're related to the Braves, but there actually

873
00:41:55,760 --> 00:41:57,880
Speaker 1: will all be reasonable signings even if they weren't. Like,

874
00:41:58,040 --> 00:41:59,919
Speaker 1: I know, they're old, that's the only thing. But again,

875
00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:04,040
Speaker 1: old guys don't scare. Don't scare Alex, So it would

876
00:42:04,040 --> 00:42:05,719
Speaker 1: not surprise me if you signed any of any of

877
00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:07,640
Speaker 1: these three or not at all. But man, they're all

878
00:42:07,719 --> 00:42:10,480
Speaker 1: kind of intriguing given their relationships.

879
00:42:11,280 --> 00:42:14,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think we're getting very clearly into the one

880
00:42:14,480 --> 00:42:19,520
Speaker 2: year tier. Yes, because of their ages. Kirby Yates might

881
00:42:19,560 --> 00:42:22,200
Speaker 2: be able to get two years because of how good

882
00:42:22,239 --> 00:42:23,600
Speaker 2: he was last he was so good.

883
00:42:23,680 --> 00:42:25,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, and he was the closes by the way, he

884
00:42:25,239 --> 00:42:27,719
Speaker 1: was the closer in Texas too, like the primary. I

885
00:42:27,760 --> 00:42:29,800
Speaker 1: don't know if he won't be getting a big pain anymore,

886
00:42:29,840 --> 00:42:31,920
Speaker 1: but I feel like the Braves got a little bit

887
00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:34,040
Speaker 1: unlucky with Kirby Yates. And when I say that he

888
00:42:34,239 --> 00:42:37,680
Speaker 1: was incredibly dominant pre Atlanta. They signed, they got it.

889
00:42:37,719 --> 00:42:39,480
Speaker 1: They brought him in when he was hurt to rehab

890
00:42:39,560 --> 00:42:41,239
Speaker 1: him and get it back. They didn't really get the

891
00:42:41,320 --> 00:42:44,120
Speaker 1: best version. And now he's back and it's like, oh man,

892
00:42:44,120 --> 00:42:47,920
Speaker 1: they just missed it. But still, I mean, he's got

893
00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:49,680
Speaker 1: something in his arm. It's still at thirty eight years old,

894
00:42:49,760 --> 00:42:53,319
Speaker 1: he's not young. But Kirby Yates was fascinating.

895
00:42:53,520 --> 00:42:56,040
Speaker 2: And then we'll move on. There were nights where he

896
00:42:56,239 --> 00:42:59,840
Speaker 2: was throwing an invisible baseball, yeah, and hitters, I mean

897
00:43:00,320 --> 00:43:03,640
Speaker 2: they had no shot, and other nights he couldn't find

898
00:43:03,680 --> 00:43:06,160
Speaker 2: the plate. He was or he was right in the

899
00:43:06,200 --> 00:43:10,080
Speaker 2: middle of the plate. His splitter wasn't splitting, his fastball

900
00:43:10,200 --> 00:43:13,879
Speaker 2: wasn't located, and it would be bad. But that's well

901
00:43:13,960 --> 00:43:17,960
Speaker 2: set that before Atlanta. He was fantastic. Post Atlanta. The

902
00:43:18,040 --> 00:43:21,040
Speaker 2: one season he was terrific with Texas, I couldn't believe

903
00:43:21,080 --> 00:43:23,239
Speaker 2: it when he was like a shoe in for an

904
00:43:23,280 --> 00:43:26,759
Speaker 2: All Star spot. It's like, really, Kirby Yates, Oh my god,

905
00:43:26,800 --> 00:43:30,880
Speaker 2: his numbers they're amazing. But yeah, Kenley Jansen, Kirby Ates,

906
00:43:31,000 --> 00:43:33,440
Speaker 2: Chris Martin. I think all three at least they're going

907
00:43:33,480 --> 00:43:35,320
Speaker 2: to get a phone call from the Braves to varying

908
00:43:35,360 --> 00:43:37,480
Speaker 2: degrees and you kind of get an idea of what

909
00:43:37,600 --> 00:43:39,279
Speaker 2: their market is and what they're looking for.

910
00:43:40,920 --> 00:43:43,080
Speaker 1: I have always been soccer for Chris Martin. I will

911
00:43:43,080 --> 00:43:45,320
Speaker 1: admit that when we used to cover him with the Braves,

912
00:43:45,320 --> 00:43:48,560
Speaker 1: I've always liked him. But I mean, he had this

913
00:43:48,719 --> 00:43:51,120
Speaker 1: weird journey where he went to Japan for two years.

914
00:43:51,200 --> 00:43:53,200
Speaker 1: This is like ten years ago now. But since he

915
00:43:53,280 --> 00:43:55,919
Speaker 1: got back to America, he's been like a really really

916
00:43:56,000 --> 00:43:57,960
Speaker 1: good reliever for like six or seven years in a row.

917
00:43:58,120 --> 00:44:02,839
Speaker 1: So old guy. Uh, this is almost like just for laughs.

918
00:44:02,880 --> 00:44:07,960
Speaker 1: But we talked about earlier in the podcast, Will Smith's feras. Uh,

919
00:44:08,480 --> 00:44:11,160
Speaker 1: that's where he was. He was not good. The other

920
00:44:11,200 --> 00:44:15,680
Speaker 1: one guys were, so I'm mostly joking, but hey, he's

921
00:44:15,719 --> 00:44:17,279
Speaker 1: a PRERATIONI Scott, just bring it up.

922
00:44:18,040 --> 00:44:21,920
Speaker 2: Five straight years now a Will Smith has who won

923
00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:26,239
Speaker 2: the World Series. Will Smith the Reliever has three and

924
00:44:26,760 --> 00:44:29,239
Speaker 2: catcher Will Smith from the Dodgers has two of them.

925
00:44:29,880 --> 00:44:32,040
Speaker 2: So I don't know, Brad, you know you signed Will

926
00:44:32,080 --> 00:44:32,520
Speaker 2: Smith now?

927
00:44:32,960 --> 00:44:33,080
Speaker 4: Uh.

928
00:44:34,080 --> 00:44:37,400
Speaker 2: I think it's very much time for Will Smith. He'll

929
00:44:37,480 --> 00:44:40,240
Speaker 2: catch on somewhere, but I think you can pretty safely

930
00:44:40,280 --> 00:44:43,360
Speaker 2: assume that unless he's sitting around for like a million

931
00:44:43,480 --> 00:44:46,080
Speaker 2: dollars and he's gonna be like the fourth lefty in

932
00:44:46,120 --> 00:44:50,360
Speaker 2: the bullpen. I don't think Yeah, yeah, monor.

933
00:44:50,239 --> 00:44:53,400
Speaker 1: League deal would be Will Smith for me and I

934
00:44:53,480 --> 00:44:56,479
Speaker 1: love him forever. But yeah, uh and okay, I'm gonna

935
00:44:56,480 --> 00:44:58,320
Speaker 1: call my shot a little bit one time here, and

936
00:44:58,360 --> 00:45:01,200
Speaker 1: I'm not reporting anything. I want to stress a guy

937
00:45:01,280 --> 00:45:04,279
Speaker 1: that would make sense, given that the Braves tend to

938
00:45:04,440 --> 00:45:08,680
Speaker 1: love guys who are from the area. Is Buck Farmer?

939
00:45:09,640 --> 00:45:12,719
Speaker 1: Buck Farmer? What's a high school in Rockdale County which

940
00:45:12,760 --> 00:45:14,359
Speaker 1: you don't know anything about, Scott, But that's not far

941
00:45:14,360 --> 00:45:18,359
Speaker 1: from Atlanta and he played Georgia Tech and last three

942
00:45:18,440 --> 00:45:22,080
Speaker 1: seasons with the Reds Era in the mid threes. He's

943
00:45:22,120 --> 00:45:25,719
Speaker 1: thirty three years old, veteran, not a high end guy,

944
00:45:25,960 --> 00:45:28,000
Speaker 1: like he would be a very cheaper option compared to

945
00:45:28,080 --> 00:45:30,239
Speaker 1: these guys, but like, if they're looking at around things

946
00:45:30,280 --> 00:45:33,840
Speaker 1: out a little bit, I would like that as a option,

947
00:45:34,200 --> 00:45:36,560
Speaker 1: as like the sixth guy in the bullpen, not a

948
00:45:36,600 --> 00:45:39,520
Speaker 1: top three guy in the bullpen. But I'm just tend look,

949
00:45:39,560 --> 00:45:41,200
Speaker 1: the Braves tend to find these guys that are from

950
00:45:41,239 --> 00:45:43,800
Speaker 1: the area. Colin mcew came back to Atlanta. He was

951
00:45:43,880 --> 00:45:47,040
Speaker 1: from the Atlanta metro area. Buck Farmer's not Colin mceu.

952
00:45:47,040 --> 00:45:48,840
Speaker 1: It's not as good as Colin mchew was then, but

953
00:45:48,960 --> 00:45:51,640
Speaker 1: Buck Farmer would be a interesting guy. He is a

954
00:45:51,680 --> 00:45:54,439
Speaker 1: free agent, thirty three years old. Right, that sweet spot

955
00:45:54,600 --> 00:45:58,520
Speaker 1: a couple million bucks just saying that's a name. Yeah, Well,

956
00:45:58,600 --> 00:46:00,759
Speaker 1: and I like it because it kind of led me

957
00:46:00,840 --> 00:46:03,640
Speaker 1: to something else. But you're right, the Braves they like

958
00:46:03,719 --> 00:46:07,080
Speaker 1: their local guys. The other just trait.

959
00:46:07,320 --> 00:46:09,480
Speaker 2: I think it's worth pointing out if people want to

960
00:46:09,560 --> 00:46:12,239
Speaker 2: go and look into these free agents or even look

961
00:46:12,280 --> 00:46:15,120
Speaker 2: into the trade market. At what relievers might be available,

962
00:46:15,800 --> 00:46:18,920
Speaker 2: but go to stat cast and find guys who do

963
00:46:19,160 --> 00:46:23,320
Speaker 2: like one or two things really really well. For example,

964
00:46:23,360 --> 00:46:26,240
Speaker 2: when they traded for Aaron Bummer, it took like thirty

965
00:46:26,320 --> 00:46:29,600
Speaker 2: seconds to look at Bummer's stat cast page and it's like,

966
00:46:29,680 --> 00:46:32,920
Speaker 2: oh my god, this is the most Alexanthopolis reliever in

967
00:46:33,040 --> 00:46:38,120
Speaker 2: the history of Alexanthopolis relievers. He never gets barreled, he

968
00:46:38,239 --> 00:46:41,000
Speaker 2: had a high whiff rate, like all the things that

969
00:46:41,080 --> 00:46:43,760
Speaker 2: this bullpen that that Alex looks for in his bullpen,

970
00:46:44,160 --> 00:46:47,960
Speaker 2: like he never looks for like contact or you know,

971
00:46:48,040 --> 00:46:51,719
Speaker 2: he looks for stuff. And I think that if we

972
00:46:51,840 --> 00:46:54,680
Speaker 2: know Alexanthopolis, he's going to go out and try to

973
00:46:54,760 --> 00:46:58,360
Speaker 2: find maybe an imperfect reliever who does a thing or

974
00:46:58,400 --> 00:47:01,239
Speaker 2: two really well, and the Braves will try to build

975
00:47:01,320 --> 00:47:03,680
Speaker 2: upon those strengths and then turn him into a good

976
00:47:03,760 --> 00:47:06,440
Speaker 2: reliever at maybe a fraction of the cost of one

977
00:47:06,480 --> 00:47:08,200
Speaker 2: of the big names who are going to get paid

978
00:47:08,600 --> 00:47:11,120
Speaker 2: two or three years and you know, ten million dollars

979
00:47:11,160 --> 00:47:11,760
Speaker 2: on average.

980
00:47:12,440 --> 00:47:13,960
Speaker 1: That's a good way to put that, for sure. And

981
00:47:14,160 --> 00:47:16,520
Speaker 1: you know, Alex is always active and I know I've

982
00:47:16,520 --> 00:47:18,040
Speaker 1: said it once before on the show at least, but

983
00:47:18,760 --> 00:47:20,440
Speaker 1: trade targets too, Like there could be a guy on

984
00:47:20,680 --> 00:47:22,759
Speaker 1: a bad team somewhere that Alex is like, Oh, I

985
00:47:22,920 --> 00:47:24,759
Speaker 1: like this guy and I'm gonna go get him. That

986
00:47:24,960 --> 00:47:28,520
Speaker 1: is very possible, maybe even likely, that he makes a

987
00:47:28,600 --> 00:47:30,880
Speaker 1: trade for someone in the bullpen. He tends to do that.

988
00:47:31,239 --> 00:47:31,840
Speaker 2: But we want to.

989
00:47:31,840 --> 00:47:34,439
Speaker 1: Always talk about the names. We did the starting pitching

990
00:47:34,480 --> 00:47:37,520
Speaker 1: show already, Scott and Sorry, Shawn and Steven talked about

991
00:47:37,560 --> 00:47:40,520
Speaker 1: the shortstops. There'll be an outfield review of some kind

992
00:47:40,640 --> 00:47:42,640
Speaker 1: in the near future. Really about the guys who are

993
00:47:42,640 --> 00:47:45,360
Speaker 1: available on the free agent market. That's the one advantage

994
00:47:45,440 --> 00:47:46,919
Speaker 1: right now of it being kind of slow to bringing

995
00:47:46,920 --> 00:47:49,759
Speaker 1: this full circle on this episode. Most guys that were

996
00:47:49,800 --> 00:47:52,120
Speaker 1: for agents are still for agents as of November seventeenth,

997
00:47:52,560 --> 00:47:54,960
Speaker 1: So that's what we're talking about right now, and if

998
00:47:55,000 --> 00:47:57,840
Speaker 1: things break, will always be here to react to it. Scott,

999
00:47:57,880 --> 00:48:00,360
Speaker 1: is there anybody else that you want to highlight tentionally?

1000
00:48:00,360 --> 00:48:02,520
Speaker 1: Did not talk about a Roldish Chapman, No, thank you,

1001
00:48:02,920 --> 00:48:05,279
Speaker 1: But everybody else that was a relatively big name we

1002
00:48:05,320 --> 00:48:07,359
Speaker 1: talked about to some degree. So anything else you want

1003
00:48:07,360 --> 00:48:10,719
Speaker 1: to have before we got here, No, no names in particular.

1004
00:48:11,480 --> 00:48:16,040
Speaker 1: Creig Kmberrell, Oh sorry, Greg, Greig Camberl, he's cooked, I think.

1005
00:48:16,120 --> 00:48:19,080
Speaker 1: But hey, come on home, Craig, It's fine.

1006
00:48:19,360 --> 00:48:21,880
Speaker 2: I don't think Kimbrell was even on the was he

1007
00:48:22,000 --> 00:48:25,200
Speaker 2: with Baltimore. I don't think he even made Baltimore's postseason roster.

1008
00:48:25,880 --> 00:48:27,560
Speaker 1: No, he got he got. He got cut late in

1009
00:48:27,600 --> 00:48:29,080
Speaker 1: the year because he blew up like he was pitching

1010
00:48:29,120 --> 00:48:32,440
Speaker 1: pretty well. And he's thirty six now. And look, Craig Kimbrel,

1011
00:48:32,800 --> 00:48:34,839
Speaker 1: well forever, and I think you are with me forever.

1012
00:48:34,920 --> 00:48:37,680
Speaker 1: To talked about Craig Kimbrell was as good as any

1013
00:48:37,719 --> 00:48:39,640
Speaker 1: reliever has ever been in the history of baseball when

1014
00:48:39,640 --> 00:48:41,799
Speaker 1: he was with the Braves. I'm not exaggerating. He wasn't

1015
00:48:41,800 --> 00:48:44,839
Speaker 1: that good. It's been a long time since then. People

1016
00:48:44,920 --> 00:48:46,480
Speaker 1: kind of forgotten. He's been kind of like a meme

1017
00:48:46,560 --> 00:48:49,960
Speaker 1: recently because he's been pretty bad in some spots. He's good,

1018
00:48:50,080 --> 00:48:51,520
Speaker 1: was as good as anybody, as good as ever been.

1019
00:48:53,120 --> 00:48:55,919
Speaker 2: If we have like young listeners or viewers of the show,

1020
00:48:56,400 --> 00:48:59,600
Speaker 2: go look up like Craig kimberrel highlights on YouTube. If

1021
00:48:59,640 --> 00:49:02,160
Speaker 2: you didn't get to experience that and his prime.

1022
00:49:02,040 --> 00:49:05,200
Speaker 1: Or his numbers, I mean, his numbers are preposterous. Five

1023
00:49:05,280 --> 00:49:07,560
Speaker 1: years in Atlanta Scott before he signed off a one

1024
00:49:08,040 --> 00:49:12,959
Speaker 1: point four three e r a one point five two thip.

1025
00:49:13,400 --> 00:49:14,560
Speaker 1: So because you think it was faking it with the

1026
00:49:14,719 --> 00:49:19,040
Speaker 1: ra a fip in the one fives over five seasons,

1027
00:49:20,120 --> 00:49:23,160
Speaker 1: what are we talking about here? Like he's unbelievable anyway,

1028
00:49:23,560 --> 00:49:25,120
Speaker 1: that is, he's a free agent.

1029
00:49:25,160 --> 00:49:29,920
Speaker 2: Just say, yeah, so maybe maybe Craig will get like

1030
00:49:29,960 --> 00:49:32,520
Speaker 2: a spring training invite for all times and he can

1031
00:49:32,560 --> 00:49:35,360
Speaker 2: do the rounds and sign some of his rookie cards

1032
00:49:35,400 --> 00:49:38,799
Speaker 2: that are floating around out there. But yeah, it's uh,

1033
00:49:38,960 --> 00:49:41,040
Speaker 2: we wanted to do the show as we kind of

1034
00:49:41,080 --> 00:49:44,440
Speaker 2: set off the top relievers. They're a tough group to predict.

1035
00:49:45,360 --> 00:49:48,239
Speaker 2: We you know, without knowing exactly who the Braves like.

1036
00:49:48,360 --> 00:49:50,239
Speaker 2: There are so many different ways that could go in

1037
00:49:50,360 --> 00:49:53,719
Speaker 2: free agency and with trades, but we did run do

1038
00:49:53,880 --> 00:49:56,680
Speaker 2: kind of a state of the bullpen, especially without Joe

1039
00:49:56,719 --> 00:50:00,080
Speaker 2: Hemmenez for most if not all, of next season, and

1040
00:50:01,400 --> 00:50:03,640
Speaker 2: who knows, maybe Alex will throw us a bone, give

1041
00:50:03,719 --> 00:50:05,680
Speaker 2: us a blue square one of these days soon and

1042
00:50:05,800 --> 00:50:10,400
Speaker 2: give us something to talk about transaction wise, but until then,

1043
00:50:10,600 --> 00:50:12,719
Speaker 2: we at least wanted to talk about as many names

1044
00:50:12,760 --> 00:50:15,959
Speaker 2: as possible and talk through some scenarios and possibilities.

1045
00:50:16,680 --> 00:50:19,279
Speaker 1: The old Blue Square could be Monday morning. We'll see

1046
00:50:19,640 --> 00:50:21,640
Speaker 1: that's AWE is always up for a Monday morning signing,

1047
00:50:21,719 --> 00:50:24,240
Speaker 1: but as Records Podcast says, it's getting closer to Monday

1048
00:50:24,320 --> 00:50:26,239
Speaker 1: right now. We've covered a lot of ground, Scott. I

1049
00:50:26,320 --> 00:50:29,440
Speaker 1: appreciate you doing this. Where can folks find all of

1050
00:50:29,480 --> 00:50:32,880
Speaker 1: your musings on social media? Because Scott, your Indianapolis Colt's

1051
00:50:32,880 --> 00:50:34,640
Speaker 1: gotta win today. Just congratulations to you.

1052
00:50:34,760 --> 00:50:38,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, baby, it is Anthony Richardson's season is back on

1053
00:50:40,000 --> 00:50:44,239
Speaker 2: after back of the mix play the forty year old.

1054
00:50:44,400 --> 00:50:46,880
Speaker 2: It's a good thing I don't have a cults podcast

1055
00:50:46,960 --> 00:50:51,240
Speaker 2: or it would be taking off the airwaves for many reasons.

1056
00:50:52,000 --> 00:50:54,360
Speaker 2: But no, I am at Scott Coleman fifty five on

1057
00:50:54,600 --> 00:50:56,759
Speaker 2: Socials if you want to find me there. The big

1058
00:50:56,840 --> 00:50:58,640
Speaker 2: thank you to everybody who has checked out the show,

1059
00:50:58,719 --> 00:51:01,040
Speaker 2: and we will have plenty of shit this upcoming week.

1060
00:51:01,320 --> 00:51:03,719
Speaker 2: You know, Steven and Seawan do a great job. Usually

1061
00:51:03,760 --> 00:51:05,920
Speaker 2: it's those two and then Brad and I do the shows.

1062
00:51:07,120 --> 00:51:10,360
Speaker 2: I really appreciate everybody tuning in and hopefully we have

1063
00:51:10,440 --> 00:51:13,680
Speaker 2: a busy next couple of weeks and months ahead, especially

1064
00:51:13,680 --> 00:51:16,200
Speaker 2: as the off season really gets going. I know it

1065
00:51:16,239 --> 00:51:20,319
Speaker 2: has been painfully slow across the league, but let us

1066
00:51:20,400 --> 00:51:22,640
Speaker 2: hope in the next I don't know, maybe we'll speak

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Speaker 2: it into existence, Brad and get something this week. We

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Speaker 1: We will try our best to be sure. And yes,

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Speaker 1: please follow Scott cross platforms, follow me if you'd like

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Speaker 1: also you can find the show at Hammer Territory on Twitter, Facebook, Instagram,

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Speaker 1: you to do that. Also listen to it of course,

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Speaker 1: do that. Do that as well, and please tell your

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Speaker 1: Stay tuned for more than later on this week, and

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