1 00:00:01,920 --> 00:00:05,680 Speaker 1: Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio of the 2 00:00:05,800 --> 00:00:10,320 Speaker 1: George Washington Broadcast Center, Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty. 3 00:00:10,240 --> 00:00:17,840 Speaker 2: Arm Strong and get Katie and now he Armstrong and Getty. 4 00:00:28,080 --> 00:00:28,360 Speaker 3: Wow. 5 00:00:28,880 --> 00:00:30,760 Speaker 4: I just saw this from Peter Baker of the New 6 00:00:30,840 --> 00:00:33,599 Speaker 4: York Times. He's at the Dick Cheney funeral. We've been 7 00:00:33,680 --> 00:00:35,839 Speaker 4: we're talking about that last hour, all the people that 8 00:00:35,840 --> 00:00:38,720 Speaker 4: are there, Peter Baker, New York Times Rights. If anybody 9 00:00:38,720 --> 00:00:41,599 Speaker 4: needed more evidence of how politics have changed in America, 10 00:00:41,720 --> 00:00:48,320 Speaker 4: Rachel Maddow is at Dick Cheney's funeral. Wow, because he's 11 00:00:48,479 --> 00:00:51,160 Speaker 4: now he's now kind of seen as like the grown 12 00:00:51,240 --> 00:00:55,080 Speaker 4: up Republican Party as opposed to the evil, crazy Trump Party. 13 00:00:55,040 --> 00:00:59,720 Speaker 1: Because the Cheney family was anti Trump. Yes, yes, okay, 14 00:01:00,120 --> 00:01:04,520 Speaker 1: all right? Oh my god, why that took the wind 15 00:01:04,600 --> 00:01:08,080 Speaker 1: right out of my sales? Speaking of things that exhausted me, 16 00:01:08,240 --> 00:01:13,280 Speaker 1: the Epstein Document Release Act of twenty twenty five or 17 00:01:13,319 --> 00:01:15,760 Speaker 1: whatever they're calling it to pass both houses. The President 18 00:01:15,800 --> 00:01:17,600 Speaker 1: said he'll sign it. I think he did sign it. 19 00:01:18,080 --> 00:01:21,440 Speaker 1: But here's the problem. No one will ever be satisfied. 20 00:01:21,480 --> 00:01:25,720 Speaker 1: There are enormous loopholes for things that should not be 21 00:01:25,880 --> 00:01:29,240 Speaker 1: and probably will not be released, at least not now. 22 00:01:31,280 --> 00:01:33,480 Speaker 2: To an extent that again, we'll leave everybody unhappy. 23 00:01:33,520 --> 00:01:35,760 Speaker 4: I think, well, there, Like I said, there's going to 24 00:01:35,840 --> 00:01:43,600 Speaker 4: be tremendous political pressure on everyone if there's a whole 25 00:01:43,600 --> 00:01:48,120 Speaker 4: bunch of stuff redacted to unredacted, and I think it'll 26 00:01:48,120 --> 00:01:50,200 Speaker 4: be enough that there'll be pressure on the President to 27 00:01:50,320 --> 00:01:54,200 Speaker 4: tell Pambondi to tell the Justice Department to get more 28 00:01:54,200 --> 00:01:54,960 Speaker 4: stuff out there. 29 00:01:55,480 --> 00:01:56,320 Speaker 2: I mean, what. 30 00:01:56,400 --> 00:01:58,639 Speaker 4: Passed what for twenty three to one in the Senate 31 00:01:58,640 --> 00:02:01,040 Speaker 4: didn't even bother to argue about it. 32 00:02:01,280 --> 00:02:02,680 Speaker 2: I mean, it's so overwhelming. 33 00:02:02,880 --> 00:02:06,160 Speaker 4: Eighty five percent of Americans or something like that want 34 00:02:06,160 --> 00:02:08,720 Speaker 4: it all to come out. There's gonna be so much 35 00:02:08,760 --> 00:02:16,560 Speaker 4: political pressure to have as little hidden as possible. So 36 00:02:16,600 --> 00:02:19,400 Speaker 4: it'll be interesting to see how that plays out. I 37 00:02:19,480 --> 00:02:22,480 Speaker 4: just read this from one of my favorite thinkers. The 38 00:02:22,520 --> 00:02:27,360 Speaker 4: Epstein files release sets a horrible precedent as cowardly politicians 39 00:02:27,360 --> 00:02:30,960 Speaker 4: abandoned long standing norms regarding privacy and the presumption of 40 00:02:30,960 --> 00:02:33,240 Speaker 4: innocence to the mob. And they've got a picture here 41 00:02:33,280 --> 00:02:36,720 Speaker 4: of Larry Summers. Yeah, Larry Summers driven out of his 42 00:02:36,800 --> 00:02:40,680 Speaker 4: final job. He'd quit everything, the former president at Harvard, 43 00:02:41,000 --> 00:02:42,760 Speaker 4: but was going to hang on to his teaching position 44 00:02:42,800 --> 00:02:43,320 Speaker 4: at Harvard. 45 00:02:43,360 --> 00:02:46,120 Speaker 1: You know why, because he's an expert in the area. 46 00:02:46,200 --> 00:02:48,440 Speaker 4: He was teaching, one of the best experts on planet 47 00:02:48,520 --> 00:02:51,040 Speaker 4: Earth in what he was teaching at Harvard. And we 48 00:02:51,120 --> 00:02:55,280 Speaker 4: found out something from many years ago that was very untoward. 49 00:02:55,360 --> 00:02:57,280 Speaker 4: I mean, it's definitely bad behavior. 50 00:03:00,280 --> 00:03:03,240 Speaker 2: But that shouldn't have come out. He didn't commit a crime. 51 00:03:03,520 --> 00:03:06,000 Speaker 2: He wasn't He's not accused of a crime. He didn't. 52 00:03:06,080 --> 00:03:10,239 Speaker 4: He just tangentially related to an investigation. And that could 53 00:03:10,320 --> 00:03:13,160 Speaker 4: happen over and over and over again, just on this 54 00:03:13,160 --> 00:03:15,960 Speaker 4: Epstein thing. And if it becomes the norm that we 55 00:03:16,080 --> 00:03:19,480 Speaker 4: release all this stuff with every investigation, well then forget it. 56 00:03:19,600 --> 00:03:21,440 Speaker 2: Any of us could get caught up in something. 57 00:03:22,000 --> 00:03:22,200 Speaker 3: Yeah. 58 00:03:22,200 --> 00:03:25,080 Speaker 1: It reminds me metaphorically if you've got a really, really 59 00:03:25,120 --> 00:03:29,240 Speaker 1: good reason to murder somebody, Once you start murdering people, 60 00:03:29,480 --> 00:03:32,040 Speaker 1: oh my god, it's you know, Katie bar the door. 61 00:03:32,960 --> 00:03:34,680 Speaker 1: There are plenty of good reasons to want to know 62 00:03:34,760 --> 00:03:38,240 Speaker 1: are there more victims that are there more perpetrators you know, 63 00:03:38,280 --> 00:03:42,400 Speaker 1: sex trafficking, sexual exploiting underage girls and that sort of thing. 64 00:03:43,000 --> 00:03:48,400 Speaker 1: But at the same time, the government, the cops, local, state, federal. 65 00:03:48,080 --> 00:03:48,840 Speaker 2: FBI, whatever. 66 00:03:49,520 --> 00:03:53,040 Speaker 1: They have the right literally to go through your underwear drawer, 67 00:03:53,520 --> 00:03:56,960 Speaker 1: paw through all of your phone records and texts and emails, 68 00:03:57,200 --> 00:04:01,160 Speaker 1: all your financial records and everything, and the idea that 69 00:04:01,480 --> 00:04:04,080 Speaker 1: everybody's so pristine and has never done anything at all 70 00:04:04,120 --> 00:04:07,680 Speaker 1: embarrassing or untoward or immoral or at a momentary lapse 71 00:04:07,720 --> 00:04:12,839 Speaker 1: of whatever. And therefore the authorities ought to be able 72 00:04:12,880 --> 00:04:17,040 Speaker 1: to just broadcast that to whomever they want, any time 73 00:04:17,080 --> 00:04:20,400 Speaker 1: they want. I mean, that's anathema to our system. Well, yeah, 74 00:04:20,440 --> 00:04:23,200 Speaker 1: I was this bothers me, and I understand the desire 75 00:04:23,400 --> 00:04:24,080 Speaker 1: to look into it. 76 00:04:24,120 --> 00:04:24,920 Speaker 2: I really do. 77 00:04:25,400 --> 00:04:27,479 Speaker 4: Yeah, I was going to say, because I can hear 78 00:04:27,640 --> 00:04:31,279 Speaker 4: people saying, yeah, well I don't care, because I don't. 79 00:04:31,680 --> 00:04:35,520 Speaker 4: I wasn't emailing Jeffrey Epstein about how to get an 80 00:04:35,640 --> 00:04:39,840 Speaker 4: underling in bed, which Larry Summers was, and that's why 81 00:04:39,839 --> 00:04:42,920 Speaker 4: he's lost all of his jobs. Now he's completely he's 82 00:04:42,920 --> 00:04:46,640 Speaker 4: got out of public life. But that's not the way 83 00:04:46,680 --> 00:04:48,120 Speaker 4: we're Are you going to tell me you got nothing 84 00:04:48,120 --> 00:04:50,599 Speaker 4: in your past, nothing at any at any point in 85 00:04:50,640 --> 00:04:55,520 Speaker 4: your past, professionally, personally, romantically, anything that if it were 86 00:04:55,640 --> 00:04:58,200 Speaker 4: acts as criminal, and that if it were exposed it 87 00:04:58,200 --> 00:05:00,800 Speaker 4: wouldn't look bad without explanation. 88 00:05:01,640 --> 00:05:03,799 Speaker 2: Of course you do. Everybody does, and. 89 00:05:05,360 --> 00:05:07,680 Speaker 4: It could be part of an investigation where you're not 90 00:05:07,760 --> 00:05:09,919 Speaker 4: You didn't come in a crime, You have nothing to 91 00:05:09,920 --> 00:05:13,080 Speaker 4: do with the investigation at all. You just got emailed 92 00:05:13,080 --> 00:05:15,719 Speaker 4: the person once, or you know, you hired them once 93 00:05:15,800 --> 00:05:18,080 Speaker 4: to do a jobs here in their tax records or whatever. 94 00:05:18,080 --> 00:05:19,880 Speaker 4: The hell do you want all that sort of stuff 95 00:05:19,920 --> 00:05:22,200 Speaker 4: to come out every time there's an investigation. 96 00:05:22,320 --> 00:05:23,800 Speaker 2: No, you do not well. 97 00:05:23,839 --> 00:05:26,279 Speaker 1: And we were talking more specifically the other day about 98 00:05:26,320 --> 00:05:30,320 Speaker 1: how both of us have been with people that seem 99 00:05:30,440 --> 00:05:32,560 Speaker 1: like they are super fun to hang out with, they 100 00:05:32,640 --> 00:05:34,960 Speaker 1: really like to party, and then as you got to 101 00:05:35,000 --> 00:05:37,559 Speaker 1: know them a little better, you realized, oh, they're going 102 00:05:37,839 --> 00:05:41,560 Speaker 1: well beyond my definition of a good party into something 103 00:05:41,640 --> 00:05:42,640 Speaker 1: I don't want to be part of. 104 00:05:43,880 --> 00:05:46,120 Speaker 2: But you could absolutely be tied. 105 00:05:46,120 --> 00:05:49,240 Speaker 1: To that person he attended one of his several of 106 00:05:49,279 --> 00:05:52,200 Speaker 1: his parties. You of course had no idea that they 107 00:05:52,200 --> 00:05:54,240 Speaker 1: were doing cocaine with twelve year olds or whatever. 108 00:05:55,040 --> 00:05:56,159 Speaker 2: But the minute you got a. 109 00:05:56,200 --> 00:05:59,200 Speaker 1: Hint that, wow, they're doing really bad stuff that I 110 00:05:59,200 --> 00:06:01,760 Speaker 1: have no interest in, you don't go back again. But 111 00:06:01,839 --> 00:06:04,920 Speaker 1: you could easily be tired with that information, and again 112 00:06:05,080 --> 00:06:12,280 Speaker 1: I get we're talking about exploitation of underage girls, and 113 00:06:12,320 --> 00:06:16,680 Speaker 1: there's absolutely the stench of the powerful protect each other. 114 00:06:17,880 --> 00:06:20,159 Speaker 2: But oh man, this is this is a line. 115 00:06:21,600 --> 00:06:24,640 Speaker 1: If we cross it here and again, there are tons 116 00:06:25,279 --> 00:06:28,080 Speaker 1: of documents that are not going to come out for 117 00:06:28,160 --> 00:06:30,520 Speaker 1: various reasons. I want if we cross the line, I 118 00:06:30,520 --> 00:06:32,320 Speaker 1: hope it's just this. Once I walked home from a 119 00:06:32,320 --> 00:06:33,000 Speaker 1: party one time. 120 00:06:33,080 --> 00:06:35,200 Speaker 4: I thought it was just a regular whoopee party, like 121 00:06:35,200 --> 00:06:36,720 Speaker 4: a drink of beer and everything like that. 122 00:06:36,720 --> 00:06:39,000 Speaker 2: That's what we're doing, and that's the way it started. 123 00:06:39,240 --> 00:06:42,080 Speaker 4: And then this guy was brought in that everybody was 124 00:06:42,120 --> 00:06:46,000 Speaker 4: talking about these people I knew and using They called 125 00:06:46,040 --> 00:06:49,560 Speaker 4: him the doctor, and he was coming over and he 126 00:06:49,560 --> 00:06:51,560 Speaker 4: got there and everybody's happy, and then all these crazy 127 00:06:51,600 --> 00:06:55,120 Speaker 4: things came out and it became a different party than 128 00:06:55,160 --> 00:06:55,720 Speaker 4: I want to be at. 129 00:06:55,760 --> 00:06:56,400 Speaker 2: And I left. 130 00:06:56,600 --> 00:06:59,560 Speaker 1: I just I will like sex toys or wild animals 131 00:06:59,680 --> 00:07:00,839 Speaker 1: or dru drugs. 132 00:07:00,920 --> 00:07:03,840 Speaker 4: I walked home and it was not long after that 133 00:07:03,839 --> 00:07:06,640 Speaker 4: that that guy is probably still in prison. He got 134 00:07:06,640 --> 00:07:10,040 Speaker 4: busted big at that kind of a party. The police 135 00:07:10,040 --> 00:07:11,440 Speaker 4: had been keeping an eye on him, and they all 136 00:07:11,480 --> 00:07:12,560 Speaker 4: came in and swarmed in. 137 00:07:13,400 --> 00:07:15,800 Speaker 1: I was always glad that I decided, Yeah, this is 138 00:07:15,800 --> 00:07:18,080 Speaker 1: not what I came here for, and I just walked home. 139 00:07:18,120 --> 00:07:18,840 Speaker 2: I staggered home. 140 00:07:18,880 --> 00:07:21,040 Speaker 4: That's like the it's five minutes to the bar and 141 00:07:21,160 --> 00:07:26,120 Speaker 4: fifteen minutes home. Why the difference is staggering? I staggered 142 00:07:26,160 --> 00:07:28,760 Speaker 4: home from that party, glad I did. There's lots of 143 00:07:28,760 --> 00:07:31,120 Speaker 4: people got caught up in that one total. 144 00:07:30,920 --> 00:07:34,200 Speaker 1: Change topic speaking of good judgment and bad mikey Manual 145 00:07:34,240 --> 00:07:37,080 Speaker 1: of Fox News here story just breaking. 146 00:07:37,160 --> 00:07:39,680 Speaker 2: I think in the last couple of days cliped fifty Michael. 147 00:07:39,760 --> 00:07:44,679 Speaker 5: Some prominent national security Democrats are preaching anti fascism while 148 00:07:44,840 --> 00:07:48,800 Speaker 5: urging US military personnel to defive President Trump. 149 00:07:49,280 --> 00:07:52,280 Speaker 6: Right now, the threats to our constitution aren't just coming 150 00:07:52,280 --> 00:07:53,040 Speaker 6: from Rod but. 151 00:07:53,040 --> 00:07:54,960 Speaker 2: From right here at home. Our laws are clear. 152 00:07:55,480 --> 00:07:57,520 Speaker 1: You can refuse illegal orders. 153 00:07:57,960 --> 00:07:59,800 Speaker 6: You can refuse illegal orders. 154 00:08:02,320 --> 00:08:07,760 Speaker 2: Hmmm, So what is that more specific? Next clip Michael. 155 00:08:07,680 --> 00:08:10,520 Speaker 5: White House Deputy chief of Staff Stephen Miller calling this 156 00:08:10,800 --> 00:08:12,920 Speaker 5: unbecoming of their office. 157 00:08:13,280 --> 00:08:17,200 Speaker 7: There is nothing graver that you could possibly say. It 158 00:08:17,520 --> 00:08:21,440 Speaker 7: encouraging urging directing members of the armed forces of the 159 00:08:21,520 --> 00:08:24,920 Speaker 7: United States are the clandestine services of the United States 160 00:08:25,640 --> 00:08:29,280 Speaker 7: to defy their president, defy their chain of command. 161 00:08:29,760 --> 00:08:32,160 Speaker 4: This has been burbling around for a couple of weeks. 162 00:08:32,240 --> 00:08:34,640 Speaker 4: Now I guess it's now out in the open more. 163 00:08:35,920 --> 00:08:39,480 Speaker 4: There've been opinion pieces and that sort of stuff urging. Well, 164 00:08:39,520 --> 00:08:42,560 Speaker 4: first it started with the people that are blasting the 165 00:08:42,600 --> 00:08:47,080 Speaker 4: boats down there by Venezuela. Are they guilty of a crime? 166 00:08:47,280 --> 00:08:49,920 Speaker 4: If it turns out the Supreme Court says the president 167 00:08:49,920 --> 00:08:51,680 Speaker 4: doesn't have the right to do this, doesn't have the 168 00:08:51,679 --> 00:08:54,080 Speaker 4: authorization to do this, Are they guilty of crime? Then 169 00:08:54,120 --> 00:08:56,960 Speaker 4: there was a ruling that no, they're not guilty of 170 00:08:56,960 --> 00:08:59,400 Speaker 4: a crime. But then there was the push out there 171 00:08:59,400 --> 00:09:02,400 Speaker 4: that you should these orders, it's a crime. Well, then 172 00:09:02,480 --> 00:09:07,760 Speaker 4: the obvious conversation started at how far down the road 173 00:09:07,760 --> 00:09:10,040 Speaker 4: are you going to go of people get to ignore 174 00:09:10,280 --> 00:09:13,440 Speaker 4: orders because they're afraid they might not be legal. And 175 00:09:13,480 --> 00:09:16,000 Speaker 4: what am I supposed to do if I'm a don't know, 176 00:09:16,040 --> 00:09:19,600 Speaker 4: what's a rank above private but slightly higher than that, 177 00:09:19,920 --> 00:09:21,720 Speaker 4: But what am I supposed to hire? I'm told to 178 00:09:21,720 --> 00:09:23,280 Speaker 4: do something, And then I got to get a lawyer, 179 00:09:23,640 --> 00:09:26,280 Speaker 4: have them look it over and write me a paper, 180 00:09:26,320 --> 00:09:28,120 Speaker 4: and then maybe run it by another lawyer to make 181 00:09:28,120 --> 00:09:29,800 Speaker 4: sure I'm on the right side of whatever I'm about 182 00:09:29,840 --> 00:09:30,079 Speaker 4: to do. 183 00:09:30,520 --> 00:09:31,280 Speaker 2: It cares to me. 184 00:09:31,360 --> 00:09:34,160 Speaker 1: This operation is going to destroy private property and I'd 185 00:09:34,280 --> 00:09:37,720 Speaker 1: rather not be prosecuted for you know, vandalism or whatever. 186 00:09:37,840 --> 00:09:40,040 Speaker 1: So I got to have my attorney look look at 187 00:09:40,040 --> 00:09:43,200 Speaker 1: this first. Thank you, sergeant. Yeah, no kidding. So here's 188 00:09:43,200 --> 00:09:46,920 Speaker 1: a Republican and Democrat commenting. First, this is Pat Fallon 189 00:09:46,960 --> 00:09:48,199 Speaker 1: of Texas, the Republican. 190 00:09:48,640 --> 00:09:51,280 Speaker 2: It's just as broad. You don't follow illegal orders. Well, 191 00:09:51,280 --> 00:09:51,600 Speaker 2: guess what. 192 00:09:51,760 --> 00:09:54,760 Speaker 6: As a former active duty member of the US military, 193 00:09:54,880 --> 00:09:56,520 Speaker 6: that's one of the first things they teach you is 194 00:09:56,559 --> 00:09:57,880 Speaker 6: that you don't follow illegal orders. 195 00:09:57,920 --> 00:09:59,240 Speaker 2: So they're being redundant as well. 196 00:09:59,679 --> 00:10:02,280 Speaker 4: Yeah, worth Worth pointing that out. That is the rule 197 00:10:03,160 --> 00:10:05,640 Speaker 4: constitutionally and in the military. You do not have to 198 00:10:05,679 --> 00:10:10,440 Speaker 4: fall in illegal order. But it has limits, obviously, or 199 00:10:10,480 --> 00:10:12,720 Speaker 4: the whole thing would fall apart. You couldn't You couldn't 200 00:10:12,760 --> 00:10:13,760 Speaker 4: run the military at all. 201 00:10:15,760 --> 00:10:18,480 Speaker 1: He flies and steals things out of golf carts. He's 202 00:10:18,760 --> 00:10:22,679 Speaker 1: representative Jason Crowe, the Democrat of Colorado. 203 00:10:23,400 --> 00:10:25,920 Speaker 6: As a military officer, what I think is important is 204 00:10:25,920 --> 00:10:30,880 Speaker 6: we train people, we give them information, We prepare people 205 00:10:30,960 --> 00:10:33,480 Speaker 6: for challenges coming down the pike. That is what I 206 00:10:33,520 --> 00:10:36,280 Speaker 6: did as a commander in the military. That's what I'm 207 00:10:36,320 --> 00:10:38,880 Speaker 6: doing now, as we are standing by our troops, we 208 00:10:38,960 --> 00:10:42,000 Speaker 6: are reminding them of their obligation. 209 00:10:42,559 --> 00:10:47,840 Speaker 1: The Interestingly enough, nobody cited anything specific, and they didn't 210 00:10:47,920 --> 00:10:51,720 Speaker 1: say which service members might have received or have received 211 00:10:52,000 --> 00:10:52,960 Speaker 1: illegal orders. 212 00:10:53,000 --> 00:10:57,160 Speaker 2: It just the general. 213 00:10:57,400 --> 00:11:01,160 Speaker 1: The crows seem to be calling his name said call 214 00:11:02,120 --> 00:11:03,280 Speaker 1: that's one of my favorite. 215 00:11:03,000 --> 00:11:06,320 Speaker 2: Tjope, hilarious. 216 00:11:08,520 --> 00:11:11,360 Speaker 1: I don't know that this has been really hot in 217 00:11:11,400 --> 00:11:14,080 Speaker 1: your left wing circles for the last week or so. 218 00:11:15,200 --> 00:11:19,000 Speaker 1: Should be defying orders from an illegal president? 219 00:11:19,840 --> 00:11:21,760 Speaker 2: Got this note from Henry. 220 00:11:22,240 --> 00:11:25,720 Speaker 1: Democrats encouraged American servicemen to disobey presidential orders if they 221 00:11:25,720 --> 00:11:27,840 Speaker 1: felt they were legal, but refused to give an example 222 00:11:27,840 --> 00:11:30,240 Speaker 1: of such an order from Trump. So grand standing from 223 00:11:30,240 --> 00:11:32,840 Speaker 1: the left, who risk nothing from encouraging others to violate 224 00:11:32,840 --> 00:11:35,480 Speaker 1: their sworn oaths. I hope no young soldier, sailor, or 225 00:11:35,480 --> 00:11:38,400 Speaker 1: airman gets deceived by these scoundrels to commit a foolish 226 00:11:38,480 --> 00:11:41,240 Speaker 1: decision that could ruin their life. Oh, the Left would 227 00:11:41,280 --> 00:11:43,960 Speaker 1: love their martyrdom and the media would make them celebrities, 228 00:11:44,200 --> 00:11:46,520 Speaker 1: But when it came to paying the price, these demagogues 229 00:11:46,559 --> 00:11:50,400 Speaker 1: would hide behind their lawyers that's true. Pity the young 230 00:11:50,520 --> 00:11:55,560 Speaker 1: sergeant who goes the way of uh, you know, Chelsea Manning. 231 00:11:55,720 --> 00:11:59,560 Speaker 2: Or you know, yeah, person like that. 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Um. 260 00:13:08,960 --> 00:13:11,240 Speaker 4: There's a little talk about how the TSA is going 261 00:13:11,280 --> 00:13:15,120 Speaker 4: to be handling the airports maybe over Thanksgiving, bigause travel 262 00:13:15,160 --> 00:13:17,760 Speaker 4: week of the year coming up next week, and we 263 00:13:17,800 --> 00:13:19,800 Speaker 4: ought to check in on that story, among other things. 264 00:13:19,800 --> 00:13:20,439 Speaker 2: Stay with us. 265 00:13:21,920 --> 00:13:22,199 Speaker 3: Strong. 266 00:13:24,320 --> 00:13:26,280 Speaker 2: So I'm just looking at this. We got a clip. 267 00:13:26,160 --> 00:13:30,240 Speaker 4: Man screams when he runs into the neighborhood goat. Let's 268 00:13:30,240 --> 00:13:31,440 Speaker 4: hear what that sounds like. 269 00:13:40,360 --> 00:13:43,160 Speaker 1: Smokey, here is a neighborhood favorite. 270 00:13:43,240 --> 00:13:46,120 Speaker 2: He's scared the female out of me. I mean, look 271 00:13:46,160 --> 00:13:47,720 Speaker 2: at them. Just looked at the window, make sure he 272 00:13:47,800 --> 00:13:49,680 Speaker 2: was okay. And my mom running outside with a knife. 273 00:13:49,720 --> 00:13:52,000 Speaker 2: But she's so scared of animals. Go trying to hump us. 274 00:13:53,760 --> 00:13:56,160 Speaker 2: Goat trying to hump us? Is that what he said? 275 00:13:56,200 --> 00:13:58,560 Speaker 1: Is the end? Mom ran outside with a knife. I'm 276 00:13:58,559 --> 00:14:02,840 Speaker 1: gonna stab the goat man. Card, Please hand it over 277 00:14:03,240 --> 00:14:07,960 Speaker 1: feel you overreacted to a goat. The goat we're talking 278 00:14:07,960 --> 00:14:11,240 Speaker 1: about now, if it were a substantial goat and it 279 00:14:11,320 --> 00:14:15,840 Speaker 1: were indeed trying to end I quote humph Us, that 280 00:14:15,880 --> 00:14:16,760 Speaker 1: would be alarming. 281 00:14:17,200 --> 00:14:17,600 Speaker 2: It would. 282 00:14:18,679 --> 00:14:20,600 Speaker 8: I have a feeling this was like a pigmy goat. 283 00:14:21,120 --> 00:14:26,880 Speaker 4: Probably in a city area, they're almost always your little 284 00:14:26,960 --> 00:14:27,520 Speaker 4: dwarf goats. 285 00:14:27,520 --> 00:14:32,400 Speaker 2: Pigmy goes in there. Yeah, probably working sweater. 286 00:14:32,640 --> 00:14:35,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, he jumped on his car and then started screaming. 287 00:14:35,560 --> 00:14:37,320 Speaker 1: That's what goats do, man, they jump on top of 288 00:14:37,320 --> 00:14:39,640 Speaker 1: every vehicle you got. I think the guy jumped in 289 00:14:39,840 --> 00:14:43,200 Speaker 1: the guy jump in the car. He jumped on streaming goats, 290 00:14:43,200 --> 00:14:45,400 Speaker 1: screaming guy because of a goat. Well, you can't get 291 00:14:45,440 --> 00:14:46,840 Speaker 1: away from a goat that way. It'll just jump on 292 00:14:46,880 --> 00:14:48,600 Speaker 1: top of the car with you. Hey, what are you doing? 293 00:14:48,800 --> 00:14:50,120 Speaker 1: Cool up here in nice view? 294 00:14:50,720 --> 00:15:00,000 Speaker 2: Nice view? Mind? If I help you. That's some square 295 00:15:00,320 --> 00:15:06,080 Speaker 2: he's got. It's like goes. It scared the female out 296 00:15:06,080 --> 00:15:06,560 Speaker 2: of him. 297 00:15:07,960 --> 00:15:10,640 Speaker 4: I'm trying to think if there's a situation where I'd 298 00:15:10,640 --> 00:15:11,680 Speaker 4: ever scream like that. 299 00:15:12,640 --> 00:15:13,680 Speaker 2: I'm fortunate that well. 300 00:15:13,680 --> 00:15:16,200 Speaker 1: I've had some bad things happen or startling things happen, 301 00:15:16,240 --> 00:15:17,960 Speaker 1: and I've never screamed I don't think. 302 00:15:18,880 --> 00:15:20,120 Speaker 2: No, I don't I. 303 00:15:21,920 --> 00:15:24,880 Speaker 1: Or something like many times in my life, but I've 304 00:15:24,920 --> 00:15:29,840 Speaker 1: never gone ah like that, like I have a like 305 00:15:29,880 --> 00:15:35,880 Speaker 1: I got a vagina. Wow, that was unnecessary. Yeah, tell 306 00:15:35,920 --> 00:15:38,720 Speaker 1: me more, Jack, I'll step back and let the lady 307 00:15:38,720 --> 00:15:39,040 Speaker 1: have some. 308 00:15:39,680 --> 00:15:41,440 Speaker 2: Just go ahead, Jack, keep going with that. 309 00:15:41,480 --> 00:15:46,400 Speaker 4: Though, I think in general, screaming is more the female 310 00:15:46,440 --> 00:15:48,680 Speaker 4: persuasion than the male persuasion on the whole, on the whole, 311 00:15:49,000 --> 00:15:54,720 Speaker 4: not obviously working with Larry Summers right, disgusting misogie. 312 00:15:54,880 --> 00:15:56,760 Speaker 2: On average, I think it's more often women than men 313 00:15:56,800 --> 00:15:57,640 Speaker 2: who scream. 314 00:15:58,080 --> 00:16:00,640 Speaker 1: When I crested a small hill and him face to 315 00:16:00,680 --> 00:16:04,520 Speaker 1: face with a mountain lion a number of years ago, no, 316 00:16:04,640 --> 00:16:10,640 Speaker 1: I yelled, holy y yeah, yeah, and the mountain lion 317 00:16:10,680 --> 00:16:12,320 Speaker 1: turned and looked at me with a look at its 318 00:16:12,320 --> 00:16:14,800 Speaker 1: face like holy yes are you? 319 00:16:15,080 --> 00:16:17,720 Speaker 2: That's Joe Getty from Armstrong and Geddy. Do you love 320 00:16:17,760 --> 00:16:25,280 Speaker 2: your shows? Do you have you ever screamed Katie been 321 00:16:25,360 --> 00:16:27,920 Speaker 2: startled and screamed No, I don't think so. 322 00:16:28,760 --> 00:16:31,240 Speaker 8: I can think of two times I've been really startled. 323 00:16:31,400 --> 00:16:34,080 Speaker 8: My first reaction was to swing at whatever it was, So. 324 00:16:34,160 --> 00:16:34,480 Speaker 2: There you go. 325 00:16:34,560 --> 00:16:36,600 Speaker 4: Yeah, you don't picture me as a screamer. You picture 326 00:16:36,640 --> 00:16:38,800 Speaker 4: me as more of a swing on whatever it is. 327 00:16:39,120 --> 00:16:41,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, kick it in the face. 328 00:16:41,840 --> 00:16:44,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, pretty much went in doubt. 329 00:16:44,920 --> 00:16:46,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, kick it in the face. Do you have any 330 00:16:46,800 --> 00:16:49,720 Speaker 2: control over that? No? 331 00:16:49,720 --> 00:16:49,880 Speaker 9: No. 332 00:16:50,920 --> 00:16:54,400 Speaker 8: My one of one example, it was a dear friend 333 00:16:54,400 --> 00:16:57,120 Speaker 8: of mine and I was standing outside and he came 334 00:16:57,200 --> 00:16:58,600 Speaker 8: up behind me and thought it would be a good 335 00:16:58,600 --> 00:17:01,600 Speaker 8: idea to pinch the back of my neck and scream 336 00:17:01,680 --> 00:17:03,680 Speaker 8: really loud when he did it, and I came around 337 00:17:03,680 --> 00:17:06,680 Speaker 8: with an elbow and followed through and just clocked him 338 00:17:07,080 --> 00:17:09,800 Speaker 8: and I didn't realize it was him until laughter. 339 00:17:10,000 --> 00:17:13,080 Speaker 4: So so you're your reaction to fright, you don't think 340 00:17:13,119 --> 00:17:16,800 Speaker 4: you have any control over Maybe you don't. 341 00:17:16,280 --> 00:17:20,280 Speaker 1: No, except through training, But it'd take a lot of 342 00:17:20,320 --> 00:17:22,600 Speaker 1: military training, police training, that sort of thing. And it 343 00:17:22,600 --> 00:17:25,119 Speaker 1: could be there's some people who just they for whatever 344 00:17:25,200 --> 00:17:27,240 Speaker 1: anthropological reason, they just can't. 345 00:17:27,200 --> 00:17:29,359 Speaker 4: Or a lot of experiences. Maybe you're not trained, but 346 00:17:29,400 --> 00:17:30,800 Speaker 4: it just happens to you a lot. I'll bet you 347 00:17:30,800 --> 00:17:33,280 Speaker 4: get numbed to it if you you know, I imagine 348 00:17:33,440 --> 00:17:35,960 Speaker 4: the first time a bomb hit your apartment complex in Kiev, 349 00:17:36,040 --> 00:17:38,720 Speaker 4: you might scream, but the tenth time, it's like here, 350 00:17:38,760 --> 00:17:39,200 Speaker 4: we go again. 351 00:17:39,440 --> 00:17:42,760 Speaker 1: M hmm, yeah, speaking of which, there's a peace plan 352 00:17:42,960 --> 00:17:46,080 Speaker 1: in the works that will never work for a single second, 353 00:17:47,080 --> 00:17:48,840 Speaker 1: but Trump is trying anyway. 354 00:17:49,040 --> 00:17:52,639 Speaker 4: I got a question about the ken Burns American Revolution documentary. 355 00:17:52,680 --> 00:17:55,280 Speaker 4: I only watched like three minutes, and I thought, that's weird. 356 00:17:55,320 --> 00:17:58,000 Speaker 4: I've never heard that. It's already turned into a controversy 357 00:17:58,720 --> 00:18:01,240 Speaker 4: the first three minutes. I think I'll see if Hanson 358 00:18:01,240 --> 00:18:03,040 Speaker 4: could grabbed the audio because I want to discuss this. 359 00:18:03,280 --> 00:18:05,520 Speaker 4: I'd never heard it before, and I'll see if Joe's 360 00:18:05,560 --> 00:18:06,320 Speaker 4: ever heard it before. 361 00:18:08,520 --> 00:18:09,679 Speaker 1: Armstrong and Getty. 362 00:18:11,880 --> 00:18:13,960 Speaker 4: So we're going to talk about this Ken Burns documentary, 363 00:18:14,000 --> 00:18:18,480 Speaker 4: the American Revolution, which I watched like five minutes of 364 00:18:18,560 --> 00:18:21,000 Speaker 4: It's twelve hours long. I've seen five minutes of it, 365 00:18:21,520 --> 00:18:24,359 Speaker 4: and already in the first five minutes, I was like, hm, 366 00:18:24,359 --> 00:18:26,320 Speaker 4: I never heard that before. I'll have to look into that, 367 00:18:26,680 --> 00:18:29,360 Speaker 4: and it's kind of erupted into a controversy already. 368 00:18:30,000 --> 00:18:30,280 Speaker 2: Now. 369 00:18:30,400 --> 00:18:34,199 Speaker 4: I'm from South Dakota, so I'm well aware of how 370 00:18:34,240 --> 00:18:36,760 Speaker 4: the Indians got host I mean, I've been hearing that 371 00:18:36,800 --> 00:18:39,120 Speaker 4: my whole life and reading about it my whole life. 372 00:18:39,160 --> 00:18:41,720 Speaker 4: And I'm also called Kansas home and I think that's 373 00:18:41,720 --> 00:18:45,919 Speaker 4: where the last Indian battle was in American history, but uh, 374 00:18:46,040 --> 00:18:46,560 Speaker 4: yeah it was. 375 00:18:46,880 --> 00:18:49,720 Speaker 2: But I don't know. I just maybe it's. 376 00:18:49,560 --> 00:18:52,280 Speaker 4: Because I'm a white guy, or just because I think, yeah, 377 00:18:52,320 --> 00:18:54,520 Speaker 4: that's the history of the world. And one team wins 378 00:18:54,520 --> 00:18:56,760 Speaker 4: and one team loses, and I don't know, what do 379 00:18:56,760 --> 00:18:57,400 Speaker 4: you want me to do? 380 00:18:58,359 --> 00:18:58,760 Speaker 6: I don't know. 381 00:18:59,200 --> 00:19:01,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, like we could go over the history of 382 00:19:01,880 --> 00:19:05,200 Speaker 1: the part of like you Germany slash Austria, a lot 383 00:19:05,200 --> 00:19:08,960 Speaker 1: of my family's from, and how many warrior tribes have 384 00:19:09,440 --> 00:19:12,760 Speaker 1: held it, taken it, slaughtered, somebody else gotten slaughtered, blah 385 00:19:12,800 --> 00:19:16,240 Speaker 1: blah blah. So I just it's it's unquestionably true, but 386 00:19:16,440 --> 00:19:19,000 Speaker 1: I just know. So what is my question? I mean, 387 00:19:19,480 --> 00:19:22,399 Speaker 1: some of the the dishonesty and double dealing by the 388 00:19:22,400 --> 00:19:24,080 Speaker 1: government was shameful back in the day. 389 00:19:24,119 --> 00:19:25,200 Speaker 2: But again, what am I going to do? 390 00:19:25,240 --> 00:19:31,760 Speaker 4: Oh yeah, it's so horrifying, but probably very similar, if 391 00:19:31,800 --> 00:19:34,520 Speaker 4: not much less brutal than what those Indian tribes were 392 00:19:34,520 --> 00:19:36,720 Speaker 4: doing to other Indian tribes when they decided they wanted 393 00:19:36,720 --> 00:19:40,720 Speaker 4: their land. What's that Summer Moon book you read, Empire 394 00:19:40,760 --> 00:19:42,680 Speaker 4: the Summer Moon. Oh my god, is that a good book? 395 00:19:43,440 --> 00:19:48,119 Speaker 2: But brutal right, very not for the kids. Get time story. 396 00:19:48,200 --> 00:19:51,160 Speaker 4: God, that first chapter, I that's funny. It pops into 397 00:19:51,200 --> 00:19:53,280 Speaker 4: my head every now and then, like it gives me 398 00:19:53,320 --> 00:19:57,040 Speaker 4: a shudder. That's how bad it was. Any horrific torture. 399 00:19:57,160 --> 00:19:58,040 Speaker 4: That's all you need to know. 400 00:19:58,119 --> 00:19:58,320 Speaker 2: Right. 401 00:20:01,359 --> 00:20:04,359 Speaker 4: So this is from the very like first couple of minutes. 402 00:20:04,880 --> 00:20:07,040 Speaker 4: This is a couple of minutes long, two minutes long. 403 00:20:07,760 --> 00:20:12,160 Speaker 4: Stick with it if you will, because we'll discuss afterwards. 404 00:20:12,840 --> 00:20:15,480 Speaker 4: I don't feel guilty about playing it since it's PBS 405 00:20:15,520 --> 00:20:17,200 Speaker 4: and my tax Paramonney. 406 00:20:16,720 --> 00:20:22,160 Speaker 2: Paid for it, at least partially. Anyway. So it's ken Burns. 407 00:20:22,480 --> 00:20:24,679 Speaker 4: It's about the American Revolution, and I knew it was 408 00:20:24,720 --> 00:20:28,320 Speaker 4: going to have more how the Native Americans got hosed 409 00:20:28,359 --> 00:20:29,480 Speaker 4: than you usually get out of. 410 00:20:31,000 --> 00:20:32,040 Speaker 2: Founding Father stuff. 411 00:20:32,640 --> 00:20:34,919 Speaker 1: I thought, yeah, that's probably fine, you know. 412 00:20:36,320 --> 00:20:37,400 Speaker 2: Anyway, here's how it goes. 413 00:20:39,400 --> 00:20:41,520 Speaker 9: This is the very ow we know our lands are 414 00:20:41,560 --> 00:20:45,239 Speaker 9: now become more valuable. The white people think we do 415 00:20:45,320 --> 00:20:49,800 Speaker 9: not know their value, but we are sensible that the 416 00:20:49,880 --> 00:20:56,320 Speaker 9: land is everlasting. Knastego, spokesman for the Six Nations. 417 00:20:59,119 --> 00:21:04,160 Speaker 3: Long before thirteen British colonies made themselves into the United States, 418 00:21:04,720 --> 00:21:13,200 Speaker 3: the Six Nations of the Iroquois confederacy Seneca, Cayuga, Onondaga, Tuscarora, Oneida, 419 00:21:13,320 --> 00:21:17,399 Speaker 3: and Mohawk had created a union of their own that 420 00:21:17,480 --> 00:21:21,879 Speaker 3: they called the Hoda Nashone, a democracy that had flourished 421 00:21:22,040 --> 00:21:22,920 Speaker 3: for centuries. 422 00:21:24,400 --> 00:21:26,000 Speaker 2: We heartily recommend union. 423 00:21:27,720 --> 00:21:31,919 Speaker 9: We are a powerful confederacy, and by your observing the 424 00:21:31,960 --> 00:21:36,200 Speaker 9: same methods our wise forefathers have taken, you will acquire 425 00:21:36,240 --> 00:21:42,920 Speaker 9: fresh strength and power. Therefore, whatever befalls you never fall 426 00:21:43,000 --> 00:21:44,359 Speaker 9: out one with another. 427 00:21:48,400 --> 00:21:52,720 Speaker 3: In the spring of seventeen fifty four, the celebrated scientist 428 00:21:52,840 --> 00:21:57,280 Speaker 3: and writer Benjamin Franklin proposed that the British colonies form 429 00:21:57,440 --> 00:21:58,520 Speaker 3: a similar union. 430 00:21:58,960 --> 00:22:03,480 Speaker 4: Okay, so the implication being there that the Indians had 431 00:22:03,480 --> 00:22:06,000 Speaker 4: a democracy going for centuries. 432 00:22:06,400 --> 00:22:07,760 Speaker 2: That's what they said a couple hundred. 433 00:22:07,560 --> 00:22:12,520 Speaker 4: Years before we got here, and we Benjamin Frankin took 434 00:22:12,600 --> 00:22:17,560 Speaker 4: our kind of cue from them on starting the similar thing. 435 00:22:17,800 --> 00:22:19,720 Speaker 2: I'd never heard that before. 436 00:22:19,680 --> 00:22:23,800 Speaker 1: Specifically a union of separate entities. 437 00:22:23,960 --> 00:22:26,800 Speaker 4: I'd never heard that before, and it made me go, hm, 438 00:22:26,880 --> 00:22:28,679 Speaker 4: have to look into that anyway. So it's kind of 439 00:22:28,680 --> 00:22:31,479 Speaker 4: turned into a controversy a little bit, with a variety 440 00:22:31,520 --> 00:22:34,200 Speaker 4: of my favorite thinkers arguing on Twitter, which is where 441 00:22:34,200 --> 00:22:37,040 Speaker 4: you argue if you're a part of the intelligence. Less 442 00:22:37,080 --> 00:22:39,240 Speaker 4: than three minutes into the Ken Burns documentary on the 443 00:22:39,280 --> 00:22:41,960 Speaker 4: American Revolution, we get one, white people are bad. Two 444 00:22:42,200 --> 00:22:45,879 Speaker 4: Native Americans had a centuries old democracy before British Collins arrived, 445 00:22:45,960 --> 00:22:50,639 Speaker 4: and three Benjamin Franklin copied the Native American Blueprint. A 446 00:22:50,680 --> 00:22:53,119 Speaker 4: different thinker with a different point of view said, the 447 00:22:53,200 --> 00:22:55,680 Speaker 4: League of the Iroquois being a framework for the Constitution 448 00:22:55,800 --> 00:22:58,800 Speaker 4: is pretty basic middle high school history textbook stuff. 449 00:22:58,960 --> 00:22:59,960 Speaker 2: Sorry you didn't pay attention. 450 00:23:00,480 --> 00:23:02,280 Speaker 4: I hadn't heard that, and I've done a lot of 451 00:23:02,280 --> 00:23:04,679 Speaker 4: reading about this over my life that we took our 452 00:23:04,760 --> 00:23:07,399 Speaker 4: cue from the Indians on the whole democracy thing, it 453 00:23:07,440 --> 00:23:08,879 Speaker 4: was a model for the Constitution. 454 00:23:09,160 --> 00:23:10,200 Speaker 2: And then Charles C. W. 455 00:23:10,359 --> 00:23:12,720 Speaker 4: Cook, who we both like, from the National Review, said 456 00:23:12,840 --> 00:23:17,200 Speaker 4: it's also pretty basic nonsense. So I would like to 457 00:23:17,200 --> 00:23:19,920 Speaker 4: get Tim Sanderfer involved in this because I had never 458 00:23:19,960 --> 00:23:20,359 Speaker 4: heard that. 459 00:23:21,640 --> 00:23:23,200 Speaker 2: And to lead with that, I. 460 00:23:23,160 --> 00:23:27,240 Speaker 4: Mean, the opening of the Twelve Hours is, you know, 461 00:23:27,280 --> 00:23:29,080 Speaker 4: it really came up with the idea from the Indians 462 00:23:29,080 --> 00:23:31,560 Speaker 4: who were already here and doing a democracy, and everything 463 00:23:31,600 --> 00:23:33,840 Speaker 4: was just hunky dory, and then we know killed them 464 00:23:33,840 --> 00:23:36,399 Speaker 4: all off and took their idea, is that what the 465 00:23:36,440 --> 00:23:37,199 Speaker 4: point of this is? 466 00:23:38,040 --> 00:23:41,280 Speaker 2: Wow? Wow? Is that a reach? That's what I sa 467 00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:43,080 Speaker 2: several different ways. That's what I thought. 468 00:23:43,080 --> 00:23:45,320 Speaker 4: It just seemed like such a reach, And to lead 469 00:23:45,440 --> 00:23:48,440 Speaker 4: with it makes me think. I was really looking forward 470 00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:50,800 Speaker 4: to this because he's such a great documentary filmmaker. I 471 00:23:50,800 --> 00:23:52,560 Speaker 4: was really looking forward to it. And I'm sure there's 472 00:23:52,560 --> 00:23:54,160 Speaker 4: a whole bunch of stuff in there that I'm gonna love. 473 00:23:54,240 --> 00:23:57,040 Speaker 4: But if you lead with that, how much? Oh, this 474 00:23:57,160 --> 00:23:58,119 Speaker 4: is gonna be hard to watch. 475 00:23:59,080 --> 00:23:59,280 Speaker 3: Yeah. 476 00:23:59,280 --> 00:24:02,840 Speaker 1: The subtitle is how British colonists imitated the Indians and 477 00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:06,199 Speaker 1: built a country and kicked the Indians off their country? 478 00:24:06,160 --> 00:24:07,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, great, all right? 479 00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:12,520 Speaker 4: Had you ever heard that before that Benjamin Franklin got 480 00:24:12,560 --> 00:24:17,320 Speaker 4: his idea that he pitched to the colonists from the Indians. 481 00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:20,399 Speaker 2: No, no, it doesn't ring a bell. 482 00:24:21,040 --> 00:24:24,000 Speaker 1: You know, the fact that there were democratic systems quote 483 00:24:24,040 --> 00:24:28,520 Speaker 1: unquote among the tribes I'd known, but like as that was, 484 00:24:29,119 --> 00:24:33,320 Speaker 1: that was portrayed as a direct inspiration a b C. 485 00:24:34,119 --> 00:24:37,880 Speaker 1: As opposed to you know, the Roman and Greek republics 486 00:24:38,080 --> 00:24:41,480 Speaker 1: and the you know, the various philosophers and John Locke 487 00:24:41,520 --> 00:24:42,840 Speaker 1: and all sorts of you know, I could. 488 00:24:42,640 --> 00:24:44,000 Speaker 2: Go on and on John Stuart mill. 489 00:24:45,359 --> 00:24:50,359 Speaker 1: Later, ah, but to be no, that was there was 490 00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:53,320 Speaker 1: a way to direct a line to draw, and that's 491 00:24:53,359 --> 00:24:56,280 Speaker 1: an odd place to begin. That is not what the 492 00:24:56,280 --> 00:24:59,920 Speaker 1: the documentary is not about the receding of the Indian tribes. 493 00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:03,240 Speaker 4: Well, I'm willing to be corrected, but I've done scrunching 494 00:25:03,280 --> 00:25:05,879 Speaker 4: up my nose at the idea of a multi century 495 00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:10,080 Speaker 4: long successful democracy among the Indian nations. 496 00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:11,840 Speaker 2: I just don't buy that. 497 00:25:13,880 --> 00:25:16,600 Speaker 1: It could have been a confederation and there could have 498 00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:19,280 Speaker 1: been some sort of voting, but it's not like the 499 00:25:19,320 --> 00:25:23,720 Speaker 1: individual tribal members probably with regular wars to the death 500 00:25:23,920 --> 00:25:26,480 Speaker 1: in which they you know, redraw the boundaries and come 501 00:25:26,520 --> 00:25:28,640 Speaker 1: to some sort of truth for a little while, would 502 00:25:28,640 --> 00:25:31,119 Speaker 1: be my guess. Yeah, it's more likely that, you know, 503 00:25:31,160 --> 00:25:33,960 Speaker 1: the leaders of the various tribes got together and said, hey, 504 00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:35,600 Speaker 1: all right, four to three, we're gonna go to war 505 00:25:35,640 --> 00:25:40,440 Speaker 1: with the Sioux or whatever. But yeah, yeah, that's a stretch. 506 00:25:40,840 --> 00:25:43,480 Speaker 1: I tell you what if that's the beginning of the 507 00:25:44,119 --> 00:25:47,960 Speaker 1: very beginning, that's the first very minutes collect I know, 508 00:25:48,040 --> 00:25:53,879 Speaker 1: and I wanted to enjoy this. Why is everybody so 509 00:25:55,520 --> 00:25:59,119 Speaker 1: not everybody, But why are why is a certain crowd 510 00:25:59,359 --> 00:26:02,719 Speaker 1: so re existent to just tell him the story of 511 00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:03,880 Speaker 1: what happened. 512 00:26:04,359 --> 00:26:05,640 Speaker 2: Because they getting over from a. 513 00:26:09,760 --> 00:26:12,119 Speaker 1: Yeah, Ken Burns would get the hell beat out of 514 00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:15,360 Speaker 1: him by the people he holds dear the left if 515 00:26:15,359 --> 00:26:18,240 Speaker 1: he were just to tell the story of the formation 516 00:26:18,280 --> 00:26:20,040 Speaker 1: of the most successful country on. 517 00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:22,080 Speaker 2: Earth that change the world forever. 518 00:26:22,119 --> 00:26:22,280 Speaker 3: Now. 519 00:26:22,280 --> 00:26:23,639 Speaker 2: They did have that in the run up. 520 00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:26,040 Speaker 4: They did have that in the run up, Like the 521 00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:29,000 Speaker 4: previews before the thing started about how this is the 522 00:26:29,040 --> 00:26:32,120 Speaker 4: most important revolution in world history and this kicked off, 523 00:26:32,160 --> 00:26:35,919 Speaker 4: you know, an entirely different era from mankind, and all 524 00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:38,440 Speaker 4: the importance of it was not left out. And I've 525 00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:41,919 Speaker 4: heard him doing interviews where he talks about that. He doesn't, 526 00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:45,760 Speaker 4: I mean, he's definitely not leaning into the America as 527 00:26:45,800 --> 00:26:48,840 Speaker 4: a force for evil. It was founded on slavery. The 528 00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:50,960 Speaker 4: world would have been better off if we never happened. 529 00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:56,080 Speaker 4: Fang that the you know garbage Hannah Jones, whatever her 530 00:26:56,160 --> 00:27:01,040 Speaker 4: name is, pitches Howard's in filth. Bet he wouldn't have 531 00:27:01,040 --> 00:27:02,600 Speaker 4: been able to get the funding to even do the 532 00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:05,639 Speaker 4: damn thing if he hadn't leaned this hard into We 533 00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:07,280 Speaker 4: just copied the Indians really, ain't it. 534 00:27:08,359 --> 00:27:10,760 Speaker 2: They'd already done it. Why didn't we just let them 535 00:27:10,800 --> 00:27:13,399 Speaker 2: keep it? All right? 536 00:27:13,560 --> 00:27:16,800 Speaker 4: Eh, I'll watch a little more of it out before 537 00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:19,960 Speaker 4: I can get if that's what happened in the first 538 00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:26,960 Speaker 4: one hundred and eighty seconds, damn it. It was like 539 00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:28,640 Speaker 4: there have been a couple of shows that have been 540 00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:35,000 Speaker 4: fairly highly recommended, including one in particular, Slow Horses, which 541 00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:38,000 Speaker 4: is a really good British drama with what's his face? 542 00:27:38,119 --> 00:27:41,880 Speaker 1: The actor, you know, the guy with two arms? Anyway, 543 00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:44,280 Speaker 1: what is it, Gary oldman? 544 00:27:46,359 --> 00:27:51,520 Speaker 2: You know it? And it became Rudy Calhoun. 545 00:27:51,359 --> 00:27:57,800 Speaker 1: And the plot was there'd been an Islamic extremist bombing 546 00:27:57,880 --> 00:28:02,600 Speaker 1: in London. But then the twist was quickly early that no, 547 00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:09,679 Speaker 1: it wasn't Islamic terrists. It was white nationalists, racists trying 548 00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:13,360 Speaker 1: to fake a Muslim attack to discredit them because there's 549 00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:16,800 Speaker 1: such bigots. I was like, I'm out, and it's set 550 00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:20,840 Speaker 1: in London. We'll test out an enormous problem with the 551 00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:24,680 Speaker 1: Islamization of the great cities of Britain, much like most 552 00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:27,600 Speaker 1: of Europe, having let in rampant immigration from North Africa 553 00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:29,680 Speaker 1: for years and years and years. I was like, okay, 554 00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:33,240 Speaker 1: come on, and I tell you what, Ken, you screw up. 555 00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:36,160 Speaker 2: Your woke little dwarf and you die your hair. 556 00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:39,600 Speaker 1: What there's no reason to go through him and shot 557 00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:40,880 Speaker 1: him in this very studio. 558 00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:43,880 Speaker 4: He dies his air. We saw it up clothes. I'm 559 00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:46,280 Speaker 4: not denying it's true. He's like eighty years old and 560 00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:50,520 Speaker 4: he protects thirty five. It's not salient, is my objection. 561 00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:52,080 Speaker 4: Well that's probably true. 562 00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:57,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, Oh, you're gonna make it about okay. I don't know. 563 00:28:57,240 --> 00:28:59,239 Speaker 1: Maybe he feels like he has to buy off his 564 00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:02,080 Speaker 1: crowd so then he can get to the story of 565 00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:02,720 Speaker 1: the revolution. 566 00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:03,600 Speaker 2: I don't know. 567 00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:06,040 Speaker 1: I'd love to ask him that question. Dude, why would 568 00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:08,720 Speaker 1: you start with that? I mean, even if they had 569 00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:13,640 Speaker 1: a functioning democracy in you know that we modern people 570 00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:15,840 Speaker 1: would recognize as a quote. 571 00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:17,840 Speaker 4: Unquote demonscription out of my face. And it hasn't been 572 00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:20,360 Speaker 4: covered very well. I'll tell you that that may have. 573 00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:25,360 Speaker 1: Been one of many inspirations and examples that the Enlightenment 574 00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:29,040 Speaker 1: generation studied. Tact like it's abc. Like I said before, 575 00:29:29,080 --> 00:29:31,440 Speaker 1: it's just not true. The hair on your head doesn't 576 00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:34,600 Speaker 1: match your beard at tall All right, then I'm done. 577 00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:35,480 Speaker 1: I'm through here. 578 00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:36,360 Speaker 2: I've tried. 579 00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:42,239 Speaker 1: Any thoughts on this text line four one five two 580 00:29:42,320 --> 00:29:43,280 Speaker 1: nine five KFTC. 581 00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:52,040 Speaker 3: In the spring of seventeen fifty four, the celebrated scientist 582 00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:56,600 Speaker 3: and writer Benjamin Franklin proposed that the British colonies form 583 00:29:56,760 --> 00:29:57,840 Speaker 3: a similar union. 584 00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:04,200 Speaker 4: So that's from ken Burn's new twelve hour documentary The 585 00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:06,640 Speaker 4: American Revolution, which I was really really looking forward to, 586 00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:10,440 Speaker 4: and three minutes into it, they open with the Indian 587 00:30:10,520 --> 00:30:13,240 Speaker 4: tribes having had a democracy for several hundred years and 588 00:30:13,280 --> 00:30:15,400 Speaker 4: it worked fine, and Benjamin Franklin thought, man, that's a 589 00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:15,880 Speaker 4: good idea. 590 00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:16,880 Speaker 2: We should try that here. 591 00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:20,320 Speaker 4: And it took that queue from the Indians to try 592 00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:22,600 Speaker 4: to create a democracy ourselves and. 593 00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:24,960 Speaker 1: Put at them off the land, which did their form 594 00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:26,800 Speaker 1: of government, which was news to me. I had never 595 00:30:26,800 --> 00:30:29,240 Speaker 1: heard that angle before, and I thought, and now it's 596 00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:31,400 Speaker 1: kind of turned into an online argument. 597 00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:32,960 Speaker 2: Well, Jack, I'd forgotten. 598 00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:36,320 Speaker 1: I've spent my life studying this and I totally didn't 599 00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:39,680 Speaker 1: just do an AI search on the question, and I'm 600 00:30:39,760 --> 00:30:42,560 Speaker 1: not reading that. I'm just recalling my schooling and reading. 601 00:30:43,520 --> 00:30:47,320 Speaker 1: So this is chat GPT. It's probably worth mentioning that 602 00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:50,560 Speaker 1: a new university study of mental health literature found that 603 00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:55,840 Speaker 1: chat GPT fabricated fabricated roughly one in five academic citation. 604 00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:57,239 Speaker 2: Hey, I've got a theory on that. 605 00:30:57,320 --> 00:30:59,920 Speaker 1: By the way, the whole hallucination thing. 606 00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:03,640 Speaker 4: Since AI is learning from us, I wonder if it's 607 00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:07,640 Speaker 4: just that, since we found out years ago, like half 608 00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:13,200 Speaker 4: of papers and studies can't be replicated, maybe it's just 609 00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:14,800 Speaker 4: figured out that's the way humans do it. 610 00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:17,760 Speaker 2: They make so AI has figured nobody checks anyway. 611 00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:19,960 Speaker 4: People make stuff up all the time. They're like they're 612 00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:21,280 Speaker 4: called university professors. 613 00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:26,000 Speaker 1: Yeah maybe so anyway, Yes, many North American natives had 614 00:31:26,040 --> 00:31:32,520 Speaker 1: sophisticated systems of governance that qualify as functioning democracies, often 615 00:31:32,560 --> 00:31:35,720 Speaker 1: more participatory and consensual than European models of the time. 616 00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:39,840 Speaker 1: Well yeah, that's because they're mostly monarchies. But anyway, they 617 00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:43,120 Speaker 1: varied enormously by region nation. But to the point of 618 00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:47,960 Speaker 1: the one that ken Burns was citing, the Iroquois Confederacy, 619 00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:51,280 Speaker 1: which indeed hung together for hundreds of years, there were 620 00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:56,040 Speaker 1: six Indian nations united under the Great Law of Peace. 621 00:31:56,680 --> 00:31:59,960 Speaker 1: Here is this so called democracy. They had a grand 622 00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:04,080 Speaker 1: end Council of fifty civil chiefs known as sachems, that 623 00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:09,320 Speaker 1: were chosen interestingly by clan mothers, so the women, the 624 00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:13,320 Speaker 1: senior women of the tribes, would choose their senators. In effect, 625 00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:19,520 Speaker 1: decisions required unanimity, not simple majority. Satams could be removed 626 00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:21,920 Speaker 1: by the clan mothers if they failed to serve the people. 627 00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:25,160 Speaker 1: And there was a separation of war chiefs and peace chiefs, 628 00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:27,400 Speaker 1: which was viewed. 629 00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:30,280 Speaker 2: As something like civilian control of the military. 630 00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:36,440 Speaker 1: But the idea that fifty emissaries would get together it 631 00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:39,560 Speaker 1: could be described as an oligarchy as easily as a democracy. 632 00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:45,120 Speaker 1: I think these fifty chiefs got together and had a vote, 633 00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:48,360 Speaker 1: and it had to be unanimous over thousands of people, 634 00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:49,640 Speaker 1: thousands and thousands of people. 635 00:32:49,800 --> 00:32:53,120 Speaker 2: I wouldn't call that a democracy exactly. Well, so that's 636 00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:54,760 Speaker 2: one thing that's just confederation. 637 00:32:55,080 --> 00:32:58,520 Speaker 1: Oh and Ben Franklin, John Adams and other founders explicitly 638 00:32:58,560 --> 00:33:02,360 Speaker 1: referenced the Confederacy as an example of the sort of 639 00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:03,880 Speaker 1: union that was possible. 640 00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:05,480 Speaker 6: Right. 641 00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:08,360 Speaker 4: But well, anybody who's into this stuff has done enough 642 00:33:08,360 --> 00:33:10,800 Speaker 4: reading on all the founding fathers that they were super into, 643 00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:14,000 Speaker 4: as you already pointed out what the Greeks and the 644 00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:16,640 Speaker 4: Romans had done, and writers like John Locke and all 645 00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:19,840 Speaker 4: that sort of stuff. I don't remember regular references to 646 00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:22,840 Speaker 4: what the Indian tribes have pulled off well, right, And 647 00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:24,040 Speaker 4: it's easy to. 648 00:33:24,120 --> 00:33:28,320 Speaker 1: Imagine John Adams or Ben Franklin saying, I mean, for instance, 649 00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:31,440 Speaker 1: right here you witnessed that these tribes came together and 650 00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:33,320 Speaker 1: confederated and work out their differences. 651 00:33:33,320 --> 00:33:34,080 Speaker 2: So it's possible. 652 00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:37,320 Speaker 1: But yeah, they studied the Greek and Roman systems in 653 00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:41,800 Speaker 1: particular in their strengths and weaknesses exhaustively. So again the 654 00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:43,640 Speaker 1: idea that hey, wait a minute, look at those what 655 00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:46,440 Speaker 1: there's Indians are doing. I got an idea, and that's 656 00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:48,200 Speaker 1: what launched the American Revolution. 657 00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:49,959 Speaker 2: That's just silly, ken. 658 00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:53,680 Speaker 4: So each of those representatives that would go in and vote, 659 00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:56,440 Speaker 4: were they taking a vote back at home with their 660 00:33:56,520 --> 00:33:58,680 Speaker 4: tribe or were they just decided what was best for them? 661 00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:03,480 Speaker 1: Oh, they were just you know, they were probably reflecting 662 00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:04,719 Speaker 1: the desires of the tribe. 663 00:34:04,760 --> 00:34:08,319 Speaker 4: Maybe they could be booted knowing human nature. Maybe maybe not. 664 00:34:09,080 --> 00:34:10,920 Speaker 1: If the old gals of the tribe didn't think they 665 00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:12,880 Speaker 1: were doing a good job, they could say, no, you 666 00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:16,680 Speaker 1: don't get to be a satiem anymore. But yeah, to 667 00:34:16,719 --> 00:34:18,960 Speaker 1: call that a democracy is a hell of a stretch. 668 00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:22,000 Speaker 4: And then the other stretch to say that's what gave 669 00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:26,440 Speaker 4: Ben Franklin the idea for forming a democracy in the colonies. 670 00:34:26,640 --> 00:34:30,040 Speaker 1: It's trying way too hard, it really is. Yeah, Ken, 671 00:34:30,080 --> 00:34:31,840 Speaker 1: you're guilty of trying way. 672 00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:34,680 Speaker 4: To art in the first three minutes of the show. 673 00:34:36,120 --> 00:34:38,360 Speaker 4: You're a little more excusable if that had come in 674 00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:40,719 Speaker 4: an hour eight. And by the way, the Indians had 675 00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:44,240 Speaker 4: done something similar that the Founding Fathers had fired among 676 00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:47,480 Speaker 4: the structural examples they followed happened to be. Now that 677 00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:50,200 Speaker 4: would be interesting, sure, but to act like that was 678 00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:53,319 Speaker 4: the uh, you know, what's the Latin phrase? That's the 679 00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:58,000 Speaker 4: moment of genesis, that is the seed of the American system. 680 00:34:58,239 --> 00:35:04,120 Speaker 2: No, it's not. Hmmm, I'll watch more of it. See 681 00:35:04,120 --> 00:35:07,080 Speaker 2: what I think. Democracy is a terrible idea. 682 00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:10,680 Speaker 4: Speaking of history, I was told the new Netflix series 683 00:35:10,680 --> 00:35:13,640 Speaker 4: about the assassination of James Garfield is really really good, 684 00:35:13,840 --> 00:35:15,920 Speaker 4: like really good with big time actors and stuff. 685 00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:17,640 Speaker 2: You was that just last night? No? 686 00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:21,000 Speaker 1: No, I hadn't, but a friend who's very very sophisticated 687 00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:22,640 Speaker 1: recommended it quite strongly. 688 00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:24,360 Speaker 2: I'll have to check that out. Maybe I'll get to 689 00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:26,000 Speaker 2: that before I get to the American Revolution. 690 00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:29,080 Speaker 1: Oh what I was it's starting to say was democracies 691 00:35:29,120 --> 00:35:31,280 Speaker 1: are a terrible idea just because the. 692 00:35:31,120 --> 00:35:33,600 Speaker 2: Mob rule is terrifying. It's horrible. 693 00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:38,040 Speaker 1: You have to have, you know, sober representatives who have 694 00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:43,040 Speaker 1: allegedly the good of the people in their hearts. I 695 00:35:43,080 --> 00:35:45,200 Speaker 1: think we've gotten a little off track with that, I'd 696 00:35:45,239 --> 00:35:50,600 Speaker 1: say anyway, Okay, well I'll check it out and report back. 697 00:35:52,040 --> 00:35:54,040 Speaker 1: So we do twenty hours of this show every single week. 698 00:35:54,040 --> 00:35:55,719 Speaker 1: There are lots of segments or lots of hours. 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