WEBVTT - PTG Classic: Who's the Greatest Pirate of All Time?

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<v Speaker 1>Guess what, mango?

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<v Speaker 2>What's that? Will?

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<v Speaker 3>So, a couple of weeks ago, you quoted this old

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<v Speaker 3>deep thought by Jack Candy and it took me by surprise.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you remember doing this?

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<v Speaker 2>So I don't remember what we were talking about, but

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<v Speaker 2>I definitely remember quoting Deep Thoughts, and I think it

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<v Speaker 2>was like the face of a child can say it all,

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<v Speaker 2>especially the mouth part of the faces.

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<v Speaker 3>That is definitely the one that was one of my favorites,

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<v Speaker 3>although it's hard to pick a favorite, And honestly, it

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<v Speaker 3>had been a few years since i'd really binged on

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<v Speaker 3>Deep Thoughts, and I feel like that's the only way

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<v Speaker 3>to experience them, like you have to read one hundred

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<v Speaker 3>at a time, and so I was a little bit

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<v Speaker 3>overdue for this. And for any listeners who might not

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<v Speaker 3>remember Deep Thoughts, they were these silly and stupid one

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<v Speaker 3>liners that were delivered as though they were these inspirational

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<v Speaker 3>and meaningful pieces of advice. And you know, Jack Candy

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<v Speaker 3>had actually been writing these since the mid eighties, but

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<v Speaker 3>I'm pretty sure you and I both discovered them when

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<v Speaker 3>Handy would read them on Saturday Night Live. Is that

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<v Speaker 3>is that where you first heard them?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, definitely, that's when I was first exposed to them.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so this was the early nineties. I guess we

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<v Speaker 3>were both in middle school at the time. And I

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<v Speaker 3>thought about another one when Tristan was wearing these fancy

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<v Speaker 3>kicks the other day. He's got lots and lots of shoes,

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<v Speaker 3>but he had some really fancy ones on, and so

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<v Speaker 3>I thought about this when it said before you criticize someone,

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<v Speaker 3>you should walk a mile in their shoes. That way,

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<v Speaker 3>when you criticize them, you're a mile away from them

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<v Speaker 3>and you're in their shoes.

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<v Speaker 2>So stupid. I love that, but it is kind of

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<v Speaker 2>good advice.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess it definitely is.

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<v Speaker 3>And actually, one of the other things I noticed is

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<v Speaker 3>that there was more than one deep thought about pirates weirdly,

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<v Speaker 3>but I think my favorite was pirates were always going

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<v Speaker 3>around searching for treasure and never realized the real treasure

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<v Speaker 3>was the fond memories they were creating.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I do feel like you're reading that as a

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<v Speaker 2>sign because we've been talking about doing an episode on

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<v Speaker 2>pirates for such a long time now.

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<v Speaker 1>We definitely have.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, that's how we knew it was time to

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<v Speaker 3>do this, because we've been keeping this list of all

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<v Speaker 3>the pirate stereotypes, and I wanted to know what of

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<v Speaker 3>them are actually true and you know, we're pirates, anything

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<v Speaker 3>like the ones that we see in the movies. Did

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<v Speaker 3>they actually say stuff like shiver me timbers or bury treasure?

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<v Speaker 3>Or did they really carry around monkeys and parrots? And

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<v Speaker 3>my god, I hope that they did. But it's time

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<v Speaker 3>to find out. So let's dive in. Hey, their podcast

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<v Speaker 3>listener is welcome to Part Time Genius. I'm Will Pearson

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<v Speaker 3>and as always I'm joined by my friend Mangesh hot

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<v Speaker 3>ticketter and on the other side of the soundproof glass,

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<v Speaker 3>I actually don't know what Tristan is doing today.

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<v Speaker 1>I am up in New York.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm in my hotel room in this very fancy studio,

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<v Speaker 3>which is just myesk in my hotel room. So it

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<v Speaker 3>may not sound as great as Tristan usually makes it sound,

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<v Speaker 3>but Mango, I gotta know what is Tristan doing.

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<v Speaker 2>So he did not disappoint. He showed up in a

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<v Speaker 2>total pirate Halloween costume. He's got everything. He's got an ipatch,

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<v Speaker 2>a bandana, tri corner hat, he's got a hoop, earrings,

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<v Speaker 2>he's got a stuffed parrot on his shoulder, and he

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<v Speaker 2>even has a tri corner hat for his stuffed parrots.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not sure how true to life that far it is,

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<v Speaker 2>but it is a nice touch. So well done, Tristan McNeil.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh wow.

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<v Speaker 3>And actually, I just as we're talking, I just got

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<v Speaker 3>a text from Ramsey's showing me a picture of Tristan.

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<v Speaker 1>This is amazing.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, you could say every part of his costume

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<v Speaker 3>is pretty much in line with the way that we

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<v Speaker 3>conceive of pirates, because I mean, I guess this is

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<v Speaker 3>how we're used to seeing them in books and pop culture.

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<v Speaker 3>So thank you Tristan for furthering this stereotype of pirates.

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<v Speaker 3>But it does make us wonder like, how much, if

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<v Speaker 3>any of this is actually true. And I don't just

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<v Speaker 3>mean how pirates dressed in real life, but how they

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<v Speaker 3>acted too.

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<v Speaker 2>Like.

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<v Speaker 3>On the one hand, pirates we see in movies and

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<v Speaker 3>theme parks often come off as these really these charming

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<v Speaker 3>and kind of rough around the edges folk heros, almost

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<v Speaker 3>like Robin Hoods of the Sea or something.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, do you think about like Wesley from The

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<v Speaker 2>Princess Bride, and he's just kind of a gentleman pirate.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's that's exactly right.

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<v Speaker 3>And you know, when you read these historical accounts and pirates,

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<v Speaker 3>mostly those sound like these bloodthirsty outlaws. It's a bit

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<v Speaker 3>of a mixed message. So with today's show, we thought

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<v Speaker 3>it would be fun to try to make sense of

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<v Speaker 3>the competing pirate narratives, and to do that, we'll fact

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<v Speaker 3>check some of the biggest stereotypes we typically associate with

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<v Speaker 3>pirates and see which ones hold water. And then a

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<v Speaker 3>little bit later, we'll separate pirate truth from pirate fiction

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<v Speaker 3>when we share a few of our all time favorite

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<v Speaker 3>pirate stories. So, Meguel, you want to kick us off,

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<v Speaker 3>like what pirate cliche do you feel like we should

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<v Speaker 3>start with today?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I was thinking about it. You know, it was

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<v Speaker 2>international talk like a Pirate Day not too long ago,

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<v Speaker 2>and while I did manage to slip a few rs

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<v Speaker 2>into my conversation this year, I also, you know, I

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<v Speaker 2>couldn't help feeling like a little bit of a phony

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<v Speaker 2>since I actually have no idea how pirates talked, and

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<v Speaker 2>as it turns out, nobody does. So piracy was as

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<v Speaker 2>peaked during the seventeenth and eighteenth centuries, so there aren't

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<v Speaker 2>really any audio recordings to refer to. And the witness

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<v Speaker 2>accounts that we do have only acclude kind of a

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<v Speaker 2>handful of quotes from actual pirates.

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<v Speaker 1>What about writing from the pirates?

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, it feels like there's got to be at

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<v Speaker 3>least one pirate autobiography floating around out there, wouldn't there be?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>Actually there really aren't. That There isn't much of a

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<v Speaker 2>record of anything written by pirates themselves. Blackbeard supposedly kept

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<v Speaker 2>a diary of all his exploits, but that's never been recovered,

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<v Speaker 2>and so the little bit of writing we do have

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<v Speaker 2>from actual pirates comes mostly from the ones who start

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<v Speaker 2>out as nobility before going rogue, and since they tend

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<v Speaker 2>to be really well educated, their speech patterns probably wouldn't

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<v Speaker 2>have mimicked those of most pirates anyway.

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<v Speaker 3>So, you know, you think about all the talk of

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<v Speaker 3>salty dogs and scally wags and pirates inviting folks to

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<v Speaker 3>shiver me timbers, whatever that actually means. But like, none

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<v Speaker 3>of those are phrases that pirates actually used.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, probably not. I mean, like I mentioned earlier, there's

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<v Speaker 2>no real evidence one way or the other, but most

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<v Speaker 2>scholars think English speaking pirates from the so called Golden

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<v Speaker 2>Age of piracy probably spoke the same way merchant sailors

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<v Speaker 2>did at the time. A lot of both of the

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<v Speaker 2>people in these groups came from a riverfront neighborhoods in London,

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<v Speaker 2>so it's likely they spoke with similar accents and used

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<v Speaker 2>common slang. But sadly you don't really see shiver me

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<v Speaker 2>timbers coming up in much of that discussion.

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<v Speaker 1>That is a real disappointment.

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<v Speaker 3>But I'm guessing the pirate jargon were used to mostly

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<v Speaker 3>comes from books and movies, right, stuff like Treasure Island

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<v Speaker 3>or Peter Pan.

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<v Speaker 2>I guess yeah, And Treasure Island in particular is the

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<v Speaker 2>one that'll come up a lot today. A lot of

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<v Speaker 2>the phrases we connect with pirates were first popularized by

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<v Speaker 2>the book in eighteen eighty three, and then again in

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<v Speaker 2>Disney's movie adaptation in the nineteen fifties. And actually the

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<v Speaker 2>movie version is also credited for our association of pirates

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<v Speaker 2>with these gruff and vaguely Scottish accents, and that's because

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<v Speaker 2>it starred Robert Newman as the fictional pirate Long John Silver.

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<v Speaker 2>So Newman was a native of southwest England, and as

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<v Speaker 2>such he spoke with this really distinctive regional dialect called

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<v Speaker 2>West Country English, and some of the dialect's characteristics line

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<v Speaker 2>up perfectly with how most of us imagined pirates to

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<v Speaker 2>have talked. So, for example, West Country speakers tend to

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<v Speaker 2>emphasize their rs. They also replaced the verb is with b,

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<v Speaker 2>which is, you know, a decidedly pirate move when you

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<v Speaker 2>think of constructions like where be the rum? Right? And

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<v Speaker 2>if that wasn't enough, West Country speakers are even known

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<v Speaker 2>to replace the word yes with ours sometimes huh.

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<v Speaker 3>So our conception of pirate speech seems to be pretty

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<v Speaker 3>arbitrary when you break it down like this, I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>if it really does go back to just that one performance.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so Newman's role in Treasure Island wasn't his only

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<v Speaker 2>one as a pirate. He also appeared in a couple

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<v Speaker 2>other pirate movies in the era, and it was all

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<v Speaker 2>of this together that started to influence other people's portrayal

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<v Speaker 2>of pirates, until finally the West Country accent just became

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<v Speaker 2>the standard. And while it might seem random that a

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<v Speaker 2>Southwest English accent would become the de facto voice, there's

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<v Speaker 2>actually more of a historical connection than you might expect.

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<v Speaker 2>So just listen to this explanation. I found on slate. Quote.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not entirely arbitrary that Newton should have used an

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<v Speaker 2>exaggeration of his own dialect to play long John Silver.

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<v Speaker 2>The West Country, the southwest corner of England, including Cornwall, Somerset, Devon,

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<v Speaker 2>Dorset and Bristol, has a long seafaring tradition, and so

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<v Speaker 2>many historical pirates would likely have spoken in a similar way.

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<v Speaker 2>Both Blackbeard and Sir Francis Drake were from that area,

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<v Speaker 2>although Sir Francis was technically a privateer. But perhaps the

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<v Speaker 2>most famous inhabitant of the West Country is Hagrid from

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<v Speaker 2>the Harry Potter series. Can't you just imagine Haggard saying

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<v Speaker 2>you're a pirate Harry end quote?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I mean I can easily imagine that, And I

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<v Speaker 3>actually can't believe that I'd never made that connection before,

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<v Speaker 3>because Haggrid totally said like a.

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<v Speaker 1>Pirate or other Yeah, fictional one, I guess.

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<v Speaker 3>But uh, you know, there is some evidence that pirates

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<v Speaker 3>really did have their own unique way of speaking, including

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<v Speaker 3>some bits of nautical lingo that eventually found their way

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<v Speaker 3>into popular usage.

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<v Speaker 1>And now the.

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<v Speaker 3>Origin of these phrases can be pretty tough to pin down,

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<v Speaker 3>but there are at least a few that are thought

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<v Speaker 3>to have come from pirates and privateers, including you know,

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<v Speaker 3>learn the ropes, and of course three sheets to the wind.

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<v Speaker 3>And the first of these came from the need for

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<v Speaker 3>sailors to understand how to use the complex system of

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<v Speaker 3>ropes and pulleys that controlled the ship's sails, so they

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<v Speaker 3>would literally have to learn the ropes.

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<v Speaker 2>And so was three sheets to the wind just as literal?

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<v Speaker 2>Or was that a term for being super drunk like

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<v Speaker 2>how we use it today?

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<v Speaker 3>This one was actually pretty literal too, And actually the

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<v Speaker 3>original phrase pirates used was three sheets in the wind,

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<v Speaker 3>not to it. And so you might guess that the

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<v Speaker 3>sheets in question were the sails on a ship, but

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<v Speaker 3>actually they were the ropes that controlled those sails. So

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<v Speaker 3>apparently if three or more ropes became loose, the sales

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<v Speaker 3>would start flapping, and then the crew can lose control

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<v Speaker 3>of where the ship's headed. So if somebody's really drunk,

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<v Speaker 3>they're just as out of control as a ship with

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<v Speaker 3>three sheets in the wind.

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<v Speaker 2>So another question I was eager to answer is whether

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<v Speaker 2>or not pirates really hid buried treasure. And while it

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<v Speaker 2>does seem like this happened on occasion, it was definitely

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<v Speaker 2>not a widespread practice. In fact, I could only find

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<v Speaker 2>a couple historical accounts of pirates actually burying their loot,

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<v Speaker 2>and even in those cases, the pirates only hit it

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<v Speaker 2>for a short period while they waited for the heat

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<v Speaker 2>from their latest heist to die down. In fact, pirate

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<v Speaker 2>treasure never stayed buried for long, and they certainly didn't

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<v Speaker 2>circulate a bunch of treasure maps with big red x's

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<v Speaker 2>on them for people to go looking for it. And

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<v Speaker 2>that's partly because pirates didn't really deal in treasure chests

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<v Speaker 2>full of gold or pieces of eight or whatever you

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<v Speaker 2>like to imagine like. Instead, when pirates looted ships, they

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<v Speaker 2>were stealing things like coffee and sugar and tea and

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<v Speaker 2>textiles like whatever those ships were care and then they

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<v Speaker 2>would sell those spoils on the black market, and that's

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<v Speaker 2>how they'd end up with the pirate gold we associate

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<v Speaker 2>with them. But even then, once pirates had all this

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<v Speaker 2>gold in hand, they weren't super frugal or forward thinking

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<v Speaker 2>enough to invest it. Instead, you know, according to this

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<v Speaker 2>maritime historian named David Cordingly, pirates typically blew their loot

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<v Speaker 2>on drinking gambling and women as soon as they got

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<v Speaker 2>to port.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I mean, I'd say that fits with the pirate

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<v Speaker 3>lifestyle a lot more than squirreling away your money.

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<v Speaker 1>And you know, I mean I.

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<v Speaker 3>Think about this, burying treasure would effectively be like putting

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<v Speaker 3>your money in a bank, and I don't know banking.

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<v Speaker 3>Does it strike me as this very piratey thing to do?

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<v Speaker 3>But exactly anyway, I mean, this idea of buried treasure

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<v Speaker 3>had to come from somewhere, though, So do you think

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<v Speaker 3>it just spun out of those few scattered accounts that

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<v Speaker 3>you found?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, that's why I thought at first, But it

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<v Speaker 2>turns out this is another case that's rooted less in

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<v Speaker 2>history and more in treasure Island. So in the book,

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<v Speaker 2>long John Silver is on the hunt for a stash

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<v Speaker 2>of hidden gold, and of course a secret treasure map

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<v Speaker 2>is the key to finding it. But what's funny is

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<v Speaker 2>that Robert Lewis Stevenson didn't actually invent this idea, and

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<v Speaker 2>he didn't base it on real life either. Instead, he

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<v Speaker 2>flat out stole the idea from another seventeenth century author,

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<v Speaker 2>Edgar Allan Poe.

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<v Speaker 1>Poe.

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<v Speaker 2>Really, yeah, So it comes from Poe's short story the Goldbug,

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<v Speaker 2>and the main characters hunt down Captain Kidd's treasure using

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<v Speaker 2>a cipher that's based on how frequently certain letters appeared

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<v Speaker 2>in the English language.

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<v Speaker 1>In this story.

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<v Speaker 2>And this is pretty much the same premise as in

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<v Speaker 2>Treasure Island, except Stevenson substituted a map in place of

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<v Speaker 2>the cipher, and the author later copped this too. Like

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<v Speaker 2>in his preface to the book, he said, quote, the

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<v Speaker 2>map was the chief part of my plot. For that

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<v Speaker 2>I broke into the gallery of mister Poe.

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<v Speaker 3>All right, Well, a pattern is definitely starting to emerge

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<v Speaker 3>here because I actually have another pirate stereotype that we

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<v Speaker 3>can at least partly thank Treasure Island for. And that's

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<v Speaker 3>the idea that pirates made people walk the plank. Not

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<v Speaker 3>to be fair, plank walking did exist among pirates to

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<v Speaker 3>some degree, but most historians will tell you that it

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<v Speaker 3>was a pretty rare form of punishment. Now, the most

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<v Speaker 3>recognizable example of the practice occurred in the mid eighteen hundreds,

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<v Speaker 3>I think, and this was when an eyewitness reported that

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<v Speaker 3>a British ship captain had been abducted by pirates. In

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<v Speaker 3>that quote, a plank was run on the starboard side

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<v Speaker 3>of their schooner, upon which they made Captain Smith walk,

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<v Speaker 3>and as he approached the end, they tilted the plank

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<v Speaker 3>when he dropped into the sea. Now beyond that, we

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<v Speaker 3>know that some Caribbean pirates also force captured sailors to

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<v Speaker 3>walk the plank, and there are even some accounts of

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<v Speaker 3>Mediterranean pirates taking part in something similar back in the

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<v Speaker 3>days of ancient Rome. In this case, the pirates would

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<v Speaker 3>suspend a ladder out over the ocean and then mockingly

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<v Speaker 3>invite prisoners to crawl out on it and swim back

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<v Speaker 3>home to freedom.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh that seems pretty cruel. But yeah, I'm curious. How

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<v Speaker 2>does Treasure Island fit into all of this?

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<v Speaker 3>Basically, Robert Lewis Stevenson and a few other writers of

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<v Speaker 3>his era are mostly responsible for making plank walking, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>more ubiquitous than it really was, and their stories presented

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<v Speaker 3>as kind of the go to form of punishment that

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<v Speaker 3>pirates used, and this idea was only enforced by popular

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<v Speaker 3>illustrations and paintings from this same time period. Now all

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<v Speaker 3>of that really cemented. Plank walking is one of the

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<v Speaker 3>visual icons of piracy, and the interesting thing about this

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<v Speaker 3>misplaced attention is that it actually makes some pirates seem

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<v Speaker 3>less cruel than they really were, because if pirates really

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<v Speaker 3>wanted to do away with a mutinous crew member or

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<v Speaker 3>a troublesome captive, I mean, they had far worse methods

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<v Speaker 3>than simply forcing somebody overboard. And you know, some of

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<v Speaker 3>the more common practices included marooning someone onto an island,

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<v Speaker 3>which almost always resulted in a slow death for the victim.

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<v Speaker 3>Then there was the especially grizzly punishment called keel hauling,

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<v Speaker 3>and this was when the victim was tied naked to

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<v Speaker 3>a rope, thrown overboard, and then just tragically dragged beneath

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<v Speaker 3>the entire length of the ship while barnacles cut up

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<v Speaker 3>their skin.

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<v Speaker 1>It's pretty gross to read about.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it feels horrible. In fact, I want to get

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<v Speaker 2>as an happier note asap. So I'm just gonna come

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<v Speaker 2>right out and tell you that pirates almost certainly kept

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<v Speaker 2>parrots as pets. Good and so this is another pirate

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<v Speaker 2>trope that was popularized by Treasuer Island. Long John Silver

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<v Speaker 2>was the first fictional pirate to walk around with a

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<v Speaker 2>parrot on his shoulder, But in this case, Stevenson was

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<v Speaker 2>really drawing from history So to give a little background

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<v Speaker 2>when we talk about the Golden Age of piracy, which

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<v Speaker 2>I still find such a funny phrase to say that,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, we're really referring to this period from about

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<v Speaker 2>the mid sixteen hundreds to around seventeen thirty. And in

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<v Speaker 2>that time, the recent discoveries of the Americas in Australia

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<v Speaker 2>had created a boom and exploration, so for the first

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<v Speaker 2>time in history and multiple nations were shipping tons and

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<v Speaker 2>tons of money and valuable goods all across this largely

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<v Speaker 2>uncharted and unprotected oceans, and of course this made them

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<v Speaker 2>easy picking for enterprising pirates, hence the term Golden Age.

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<v Speaker 2>But in order to rob ships of their precious cargo,

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<v Speaker 2>pirates had to go where the ships went, which meant

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<v Speaker 2>taking to trade routes that mostly led to the Caribbean

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<v Speaker 2>or West Africa or the various coasts along the Indian Ocean.

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<v Speaker 2>And this required long voyages that lasted weeks or months

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<v Speaker 2>at a time and often took the pirates to these

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<v Speaker 2>exotic lands populated by unusual animals like parrots and also monkeys.

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<v Speaker 1>So let's get to the important part.

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<v Speaker 3>Please tell me that the monkey thing is true, because

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<v Speaker 3>the world is kind of a rough place right now,

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<v Speaker 3>And I feel like it would make me feel better

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<v Speaker 3>to know that a pirate captain could have had a

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<v Speaker 3>parrot on one shoulder and a monkey on the other one.

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<v Speaker 2>So there isn't much documentation about that specific combination, but

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<v Speaker 2>pirates with monkeys certainly weren't uncommon. Parrots were the more

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<v Speaker 2>practical pet though. Parrots would eat things that were already

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<v Speaker 2>on board, so you think about like fruits or seeds

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<v Speaker 2>or nuts, and they didn't really need that much to

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<v Speaker 2>sustain them. Plus they could be taught all these kind

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<v Speaker 2>of neat tricks like how to talk. And you know,

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<v Speaker 2>there's no better way for a pirate to start up

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<v Speaker 2>a conversation at port than by introducing people to the

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<v Speaker 2>talking bird that he, you know, picked up well at sea.

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<v Speaker 1>Well that's a good point.

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<v Speaker 3>And still you think after a while it might be

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<v Speaker 3>kind of risky to walk around with a big, bright

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<v Speaker 3>bird on your shoulder. I mean, it seems like that's

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<v Speaker 3>a tough way to keep a low profile.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but it's also good branding. I don't think that

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<v Speaker 2>many pirates actually kept their parrots for that long. According

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<v Speaker 2>to this historian, Angus Constam, author of the history of pirates,

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<v Speaker 2>he writes, back home, people would pay good money for

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<v Speaker 2>parrots and other exotic creatures, and sailors could easily buy

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<v Speaker 2>them in Caribbean ports. Some were kept, but most were

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<v Speaker 2>sold when the ship reached home. So really they were

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<v Speaker 2>selling them as soon as they got to port.

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<v Speaker 3>Well that makes sense, So it's still it's nice to

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<v Speaker 3>know that pirates really did keep parrots, even if only.

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<v Speaker 1>For a little while.

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<v Speaker 3>But all right, well, I know there are a couple

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<v Speaker 3>more pirate myths that we want to take a look at.

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<v Speaker 3>But before we do, let's take a quick break. You're

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<v Speaker 3>listening to Part Time Genius, and we're talking about the

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<v Speaker 3>facts and fiction that fuel.

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<v Speaker 1>The modern view of pirates. All right, mego.

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<v Speaker 3>So one of the more interesting topics that I looked

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<v Speaker 3>into this week were the big gold ear rings that

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<v Speaker 3>pirates wore. And the question here wasn't whether or not

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<v Speaker 3>pirates really wore them. I think, you know, most historians

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<v Speaker 3>agree that many of them did. But why did they

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<v Speaker 3>wear them?

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<v Speaker 2>So the story I'd always heard is that the earrings

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<v Speaker 2>were away for pirates to pay for their burials, like

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<v Speaker 2>if a pirate happened to die on land instead of

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<v Speaker 2>at sea, the gold from their earrings could cover the costs,

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<v Speaker 2>and obviously, even for a pirate, that would be preferable

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<v Speaker 2>to just being put in this mass grave or left

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<v Speaker 2>out for the crows to eat.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm guessing yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, there is some evidence that supports this idea.

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<v Speaker 3>But those earrings and other kinds of jewelry weren't just

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<v Speaker 3>a failsafe for pirate burial. I mean they were also

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<v Speaker 3>symbols of rebellion against the seventeenth and eighteenth century laws

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<v Speaker 3>that we're really meant to control what people could wear

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<v Speaker 3>or do in their private lives. So in England, just

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<v Speaker 3>for example, men weren't allowed to wear jewelry, and certain

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<v Speaker 3>colors were off limits for commoners to wear, and if

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<v Speaker 3>somebody didn't conform to those rules, they could be heavily

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<v Speaker 3>fined or even imprisoned. So, as this pirate historian, Gail

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<v Speaker 3>Cellinger put it, these so called sumptuary laws were quote

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<v Speaker 3>a legal way for the ruling class to separate themselves

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<v Speaker 3>from commoners by regulating what they wore, what they could drink,

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<v Speaker 3>and where they could live.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I mean, it is easy to see how none

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<v Speaker 2>of that would sit very well with pirates. Who are

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<v Speaker 2>obviously big fans of flouting the law whenever possible.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, yeah, exactly.

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<v Speaker 3>But for full disclosure, some historians do question how widespread

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<v Speaker 3>the practice of dressing flamboyantly and wearing ear rings really was,

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<v Speaker 3>and many of them would argue that the bandanas and

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<v Speaker 3>the sashes and ear rings that we usually picture pirates

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<v Speaker 3>wearing actually come from more like these series of drawings

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<v Speaker 3>in children's books, and that those depictions had really been

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<v Speaker 3>based on Spanish bandits, not pirates. But you know, as

0:20:03.320 --> 0:20:05.679
<v Speaker 3>was most things we've talked about today, there's not a

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<v Speaker 3>ton of evidence in either direction, though, so it's likely

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<v Speaker 3>that at least a few pirates did dress this way.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, and that kind of in your face fashion sense

0:20:14.359 --> 0:20:17.280
<v Speaker 2>would also fit into what we do know about pirates backgrounds.

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<v Speaker 2>Most of them actually started out as crew members aboard

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<v Speaker 2>the respective countries merchant marines or naval ships before turning

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<v Speaker 2>to a life of piracy, and from what I've read,

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<v Speaker 2>life aboard those ships was often rougher and actually more

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<v Speaker 2>tyrannical than it was on actual pirate ships. Like on

0:20:33.960 --> 0:20:36.560
<v Speaker 2>a merchant ship, for instance, crew members lived in these

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<v Speaker 2>squalid conditions. They were subject to a ton of rules

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<v Speaker 2>that were just as strict, if not stricter, than those

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<v Speaker 2>on land and merchant marines and naval captains. They had

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<v Speaker 2>the final say on everything that happened on their ships,

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<v Speaker 2>which left many crew members feeling oppressed and really voiceless

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<v Speaker 2>as a result.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and it's really no wonder that so many of

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<v Speaker 3>them would jump ship and sign on as pirates instead,

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<v Speaker 3>because you know, despite their reputation, pirates weren't anarchic or

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<v Speaker 3>lawless when dealing with one another. I mean, their ranks

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<v Speaker 3>were composed of these societal outsiders and outcasts, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>that's definitely true, But they weren't so jaded as to

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<v Speaker 3>think that social orders of any sort were automatically a

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<v Speaker 3>bad thing. They just needed to find a better or

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<v Speaker 3>what they saw as a more fair system, So onboard

0:21:22.800 --> 0:21:25.720
<v Speaker 3>pirate ships, that's exactly what they did. I mean, the

0:21:25.760 --> 0:21:28.840
<v Speaker 3>pirates recognized that in order to prevent infighting and to

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<v Speaker 3>be able to keep morale high during their months at sea,

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<v Speaker 3>they needed to do things a little bit more democratically,

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<v Speaker 3>and so to that end, pirate captains took a vote

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<v Speaker 3>on just about everything, I mean, from where to go,

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<v Speaker 3>what to steal, how to deal with prisoners. So really,

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<v Speaker 3>the only time that the captain took complete control was

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<v Speaker 3>during a battle, and you know that's for obvious reasons.

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<v Speaker 3>That's not a time when it would be smart to

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<v Speaker 3>pause and take a vote.

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<v Speaker 2>I love this idea that like deciding what the steal

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<v Speaker 2>should be a democratic vote.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, exactly, it's so fun.

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<v Speaker 2>But you know, obviously there were more perks to pirate

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<v Speaker 2>democracy than just saying you know where the ship would

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<v Speaker 2>go or what you're going to steal. If you listen

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<v Speaker 2>to this breakdown I found from Robert Curson. He's this

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<v Speaker 2>pirate historian and author of the book Pirate Hunters. It's

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<v Speaker 2>pretty great. So so here's what he says. Quote, the

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<v Speaker 2>captain's vote didn't count any more than the lowliest deckhands.

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<v Speaker 2>If they wanted to throw the captain out, they could

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<v Speaker 2>dismiss him or lower his rank. They could maroon him

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<v Speaker 2>on an island or dump him into the sea, all

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<v Speaker 2>by vote. That was true. Even if a captain owned

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<v Speaker 2>his own ship, they had a constitution and even compensation

0:22:36.640 --> 0:22:39.879
<v Speaker 2>schemes for injuries. The captain almost never earned more than

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<v Speaker 2>two or three times the way to the lowliest deckhand.

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<v Speaker 2>Think about how that must have struck a guy who's

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<v Speaker 2>come from a tyrannical rule on a merchant ship where

0:22:48.280 --> 0:22:51.240
<v Speaker 2>the hours were terrible and the conditions even worse. He

0:22:51.320 --> 0:22:53.280
<v Speaker 2>gets on a pirate ship and suddenly he has a

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<v Speaker 2>real say in what they're doing. I mean, it sounds

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<v Speaker 2>kind of amazing.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's pretty weird to think about, but you know,

0:22:59.280 --> 0:23:02.400
<v Speaker 3>some of these pirates were practicing democracy nearly a century

0:23:02.400 --> 0:23:05.040
<v Speaker 3>before it took root in America and in France. And

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<v Speaker 3>you know those constitutions you mentioned were even written down

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<v Speaker 3>in some cases. And I was looking for some examples

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<v Speaker 3>of this, and one of them I was reading about

0:23:13.240 --> 0:23:15.520
<v Speaker 3>it was from one of the most prolific pirates of

0:23:15.560 --> 0:23:17.280
<v Speaker 3>this Golden Age, and his name.

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<v Speaker 1>Was black Bart Roberts.

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<v Speaker 3>Now, he managed to overtake more than four hundred ships

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<v Speaker 3>during his many years at sea, which obviously is no

0:23:24.240 --> 0:23:27.160
<v Speaker 3>small feat. But I think what I found most impressive

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<v Speaker 3>about his career was this set of bylaws that he

0:23:30.280 --> 0:23:33.800
<v Speaker 3>and a crew member drafted back in seventeen twenty two. Now,

0:23:33.800 --> 0:23:37.280
<v Speaker 3>this included some pretty progressive rules that you might not expect,

0:23:37.440 --> 0:23:39.840
<v Speaker 3>you know, from a pirate ship. But you know, take

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<v Speaker 3>this worker's compensation plan that you had mentioned.

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<v Speaker 1>According to the.

0:23:43.560 --> 0:23:47.000
<v Speaker 3>Bylaws, quote, every man who shall become a cripple or

0:23:47.040 --> 0:23:49.679
<v Speaker 3>lose a limb in the service shall have eight hundred

0:23:49.720 --> 0:23:52.959
<v Speaker 3>pieces of eight from the common stock, and for lesser

0:23:53.040 --> 0:23:54.320
<v Speaker 3>hurts proportionately.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, it's kind of amazing that they got that

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<v Speaker 2>sort of security from a pirate job, right, There's no

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<v Speaker 2>wonder so many people went into piracy.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, you know, to stick with Blackbart's bylaws for just

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<v Speaker 3>a second here. The other thing I think I was

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<v Speaker 3>struck by was the picture they painted of life aboard

0:24:10.800 --> 0:24:13.000
<v Speaker 3>his ship, because you know, we tend to think of

0:24:13.040 --> 0:24:16.320
<v Speaker 3>pirates as this rowdy bunch up all hours of the night,

0:24:16.440 --> 0:24:19.800
<v Speaker 3>drinking and gambling. Of course, that's how things were when

0:24:19.800 --> 0:24:23.280
<v Speaker 3>the pirates came to port, but according to these bylaws,

0:24:23.359 --> 0:24:26.240
<v Speaker 3>it was a very different story when they were at sea.

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<v Speaker 1>So just listen to this from it as well.

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<v Speaker 3>It says none shall gain for money either with dice

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<v Speaker 3>or cards, and the lights and candles shall be put

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<v Speaker 3>out at eight at night, and if any of the

0:24:37.359 --> 0:24:39.800
<v Speaker 3>crew desire to drink after that hour, they shall sit

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<v Speaker 3>upon the open deck without lights.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, that's pretty amazing, and that there's this curfew

0:24:46.200 --> 0:24:48.360
<v Speaker 2>on a pirate ship, Like, that's not something I wouldn't

0:24:48.359 --> 0:24:51.400
<v Speaker 2>expected exactly. And at the same time, you know there's

0:24:51.400 --> 0:24:54.480
<v Speaker 2>no gambling. I mean, I guess if the goal is

0:24:54.520 --> 0:24:57.040
<v Speaker 2>to form some sort of piece, those dudes sound like

0:24:57.200 --> 0:24:59.960
<v Speaker 2>really smart moves. And you know, since we're talking about

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<v Speaker 2>how shockingly judicious pirates could be, I do want to

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<v Speaker 2>mention another famous pirate that fits that bill, and that's Blackbeard.

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<v Speaker 2>So he and his cohorts were based in the Bahamas

0:25:09.720 --> 0:25:12.280
<v Speaker 2>and they were only active for around seven years or so.

0:25:12.440 --> 0:25:15.879
<v Speaker 2>But this period from seventeen thirteen to seventeen twenty was

0:25:15.920 --> 0:25:19.480
<v Speaker 2>a super eventful one. In fact, there's some historians that

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<v Speaker 2>argue that the term Golden Asia piracy should really only

0:25:22.600 --> 0:25:25.320
<v Speaker 2>be applied to those seven years. In that seven year span,

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<v Speaker 2>so that kind of gives you an idea of how

0:25:27.680 --> 0:25:31.560
<v Speaker 2>successful black Beard and the other islander pirates were. By

0:25:31.600 --> 0:25:34.920
<v Speaker 2>seventeen seventeen, the pirates had actually thrown the commercial trade

0:25:34.920 --> 0:25:38.640
<v Speaker 2>of three separate empires into total disarray, and they even

0:25:38.720 --> 0:25:41.120
<v Speaker 2>managed to beat back the Royal Navy's warships. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>whether you'd love them or hate them, these pirates really

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<v Speaker 2>knew how to shake things up.

0:25:45.800 --> 0:25:47.959
<v Speaker 3>That's to put it mildly, I guess, but I mean,

0:25:48.000 --> 0:25:50.520
<v Speaker 3>what was Blackbeard's deal anyway, Like, was he one of

0:25:50.560 --> 0:25:53.480
<v Speaker 3>those legitimate sailors who went rogue or had he always

0:25:53.520 --> 0:25:54.960
<v Speaker 3>been more of a proper pirate?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so, he and most of the other pirates from

0:25:57.920 --> 0:26:01.119
<v Speaker 2>the Bahamas start out on merchant and naval and in

0:26:01.160 --> 0:26:03.240
<v Speaker 2>a way, their actions as pirates were kind of this

0:26:03.440 --> 0:26:07.240
<v Speaker 2>revolt and revenge against their former bosses. And this is

0:26:07.320 --> 0:26:09.840
<v Speaker 2>kind of a tangent, but one of Blackbeard's contemporaries was

0:26:09.880 --> 0:26:13.399
<v Speaker 2>this guy named Captain Bellamy, and his crew especially loved

0:26:13.440 --> 0:26:15.240
<v Speaker 2>this new role that they were taking on. Like the

0:26:15.280 --> 0:26:18.800
<v Speaker 2>crew actually called themselves Robin Hood's Men, and Bellamy once

0:26:18.840 --> 0:26:22.800
<v Speaker 2>explained to a captive quote they vilify as the scoundrels

0:26:22.840 --> 0:26:25.879
<v Speaker 2>do when there is only this difference. They rob the

0:26:25.960 --> 0:26:28.639
<v Speaker 2>poor under the cover of law, and we plunder the

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<v Speaker 2>rich under the cover of our own courage.

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<v Speaker 3>I want to make sure we don't go too far

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<v Speaker 3>here and paint pirates is more heroic than they really were.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, you're kind of saying Blackbeard was a level

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<v Speaker 3>headed guy, or that his actions were maybe justified in

0:26:43.520 --> 0:26:45.959
<v Speaker 3>some way, at least in his own mind, But how

0:26:46.000 --> 0:26:49.000
<v Speaker 3>does that square with his reputation as being really a

0:26:49.080 --> 0:26:51.440
<v Speaker 3>cruel and fearsome pirate. I mean he was a pretty

0:26:51.520 --> 0:26:53.919
<v Speaker 3>violent guy, right well.

0:26:53.720 --> 0:26:55.760
<v Speaker 2>I mean yes and no. So pirates on the Hole

0:26:55.840 --> 0:26:58.440
<v Speaker 2>did some pretty terrible things, and there's no question about that.

0:26:58.760 --> 0:27:03.280
<v Speaker 2>They invaded, they pillaged ships and colonies, they ransom hostages,

0:27:03.480 --> 0:27:06.040
<v Speaker 2>and pretty much ignored any laws but the ones they

0:27:06.040 --> 0:27:08.440
<v Speaker 2>made up for themselves at sea. But in a lot

0:27:08.480 --> 0:27:11.919
<v Speaker 2>of cases, including black Beards, that brutality was exaggerated. You know,

0:27:12.320 --> 0:27:15.080
<v Speaker 2>it was mostly by the imperial authorities on land and

0:27:15.160 --> 0:27:18.040
<v Speaker 2>the newspapers that they held sway over And if you

0:27:18.040 --> 0:27:20.680
<v Speaker 2>think about it, nearly every bit of pop culture associated

0:27:20.720 --> 0:27:24.640
<v Speaker 2>with pirates, including Treasure Island, is derived from those stories,

0:27:24.720 --> 0:27:28.040
<v Speaker 2>and it's inspired by Blackbeard and these other Bahamas pirates.

0:27:28.440 --> 0:27:30.760
<v Speaker 2>So that means a lot of our understanding of what

0:27:30.880 --> 0:27:33.800
<v Speaker 2>pirates did is skewed as well, since most of it

0:27:33.800 --> 0:27:38.080
<v Speaker 2>can be traced back to these somewhat embellished accounts.

0:27:37.800 --> 0:27:41.760
<v Speaker 3>So you're saying Blackbeard wasn't as terrifying and cutthroat as

0:27:41.800 --> 0:27:42.720
<v Speaker 3>we might think.

0:27:43.240 --> 0:27:46.520
<v Speaker 2>Exactly, And there are actually dozens of eyewitness accounts of

0:27:46.840 --> 0:27:50.359
<v Speaker 2>Blackbeard's victims and with the exception of his final bloody

0:27:50.400 --> 0:27:53.080
<v Speaker 2>showdown with the Royal Navy, not a single one of

0:27:53.119 --> 0:27:56.960
<v Speaker 2>them mentions the pirate captain actually killing anyone. And if

0:27:56.960 --> 0:27:58.800
<v Speaker 2>that's kind of hard to swallow it, it's probably because

0:27:58.840 --> 0:28:01.560
<v Speaker 2>black Beard and self purpose cultivated his image as this

0:28:01.960 --> 0:28:04.920
<v Speaker 2>fearsome force to be reckoned with. Like if you listen

0:28:04.960 --> 0:28:07.920
<v Speaker 2>to this description. I found this at the Smithsonian, but

0:28:08.160 --> 0:28:10.879
<v Speaker 2>you'll see what I mean. Quote Blackbeard wore a silk

0:28:10.920 --> 0:28:13.840
<v Speaker 2>sling over his shoulders, on which there were three braces

0:28:13.880 --> 0:28:17.560
<v Speaker 2>of pistols hanging in holsters like bandoliers. Under his hat,

0:28:17.600 --> 0:28:20.320
<v Speaker 2>he tied lit fuses, dangling some of them down the

0:28:20.359 --> 0:28:22.199
<v Speaker 2>sides of his face so as to surround it with

0:28:22.240 --> 0:28:25.200
<v Speaker 2>a halo of smoke and fire, making him look more

0:28:25.240 --> 0:28:28.640
<v Speaker 2>frightful than a fury from hell. Merchant crews would take

0:28:28.680 --> 0:28:31.160
<v Speaker 2>one look at this apparition and the army of wild

0:28:31.160 --> 0:28:34.600
<v Speaker 2>men around him, bearing cutlasses, muskets, and primitive hand grenades,

0:28:34.840 --> 0:28:39.760
<v Speaker 2>and invariably surrender without firing a shot. So I guess

0:28:39.800 --> 0:28:41.320
<v Speaker 2>it was all for show then, like kind of an

0:28:41.360 --> 0:28:45.040
<v Speaker 2>intimidation tactic, right, And I mean, some pirates really did

0:28:45.080 --> 0:28:48.160
<v Speaker 2>perform the horrible acts we read about like dragging someone

0:28:48.160 --> 0:28:50.720
<v Speaker 2>who crossed them beneath their ship, but that wasn't their

0:28:50.760 --> 0:28:53.320
<v Speaker 2>first choice, Like, they mostly wanted to just frighten people

0:28:53.360 --> 0:28:55.600
<v Speaker 2>into giving up without a fight. And that's actually what

0:28:55.640 --> 0:28:58.800
<v Speaker 2>the whole pirate flag was about. Like when a black

0:28:58.840 --> 0:29:01.520
<v Speaker 2>flag was hoisted, it is a message that another ship

0:29:01.560 --> 0:29:04.560
<v Speaker 2>should prepare to be boarded and pillaged, but also that

0:29:04.600 --> 0:29:07.960
<v Speaker 2>they wouldn't come to harm so long as they cooperated. Meanwhile,

0:29:07.960 --> 0:29:09.840
<v Speaker 2>you've got like a red flag, which was a much

0:29:09.880 --> 0:29:13.560
<v Speaker 2>more rare but a completely different story, and that meant

0:29:13.560 --> 0:29:16.720
<v Speaker 2>the pirates had come for blood. But this desire for

0:29:16.840 --> 0:29:19.080
<v Speaker 2>nonviolent resolution really makes a lot of sense when you

0:29:19.120 --> 0:29:21.400
<v Speaker 2>think about how practical pirates were in general. I mean,

0:29:21.480 --> 0:29:24.600
<v Speaker 2>like why slaughter your captives when you could just ransom

0:29:24.640 --> 0:29:26.440
<v Speaker 2>them for money or put them to work in your

0:29:26.480 --> 0:29:26.920
<v Speaker 2>own crew.

0:29:27.560 --> 0:29:31.800
<v Speaker 3>I mean, that's just just business one oh one. Right, So,

0:29:31.840 --> 0:29:34.920
<v Speaker 3>since we're on the subject of surprising pirate trades, we

0:29:34.960 --> 0:29:38.920
<v Speaker 3>should probably talk about how egalitarian pirates actually were, because

0:29:39.280 --> 0:29:41.360
<v Speaker 3>you know, not only did they welcome those of low

0:29:41.400 --> 0:29:44.840
<v Speaker 3>economic or social standing into their crews, but they also

0:29:44.960 --> 0:29:48.000
<v Speaker 3>made room for folks who were frequent targets of discrimination

0:29:48.160 --> 0:29:52.400
<v Speaker 3>on land. And that includes Africans, European Jews, and women.

0:29:53.040 --> 0:29:54.920
<v Speaker 3>But before we get into that, let's take one more

0:29:54.960 --> 0:30:10.560
<v Speaker 3>quick break.

0:30:12.120 --> 0:30:15.000
<v Speaker 2>Okay, Well, so you mentioned before the break that pirating

0:30:15.160 --> 0:30:18.320
<v Speaker 2>was sort of an equal opportunity profession, and that makes

0:30:18.360 --> 0:30:20.200
<v Speaker 2>sense when you think about it, because if you're on

0:30:20.240 --> 0:30:22.720
<v Speaker 2>the run from the Royal Navy or whatever, the race

0:30:22.840 --> 0:30:24.880
<v Speaker 2>or gender of your crewmates isn't going to be a

0:30:24.880 --> 0:30:28.560
<v Speaker 2>top priority. And for the most part, pirates welcomed all comers,

0:30:28.680 --> 0:30:30.880
<v Speaker 2>and that have to be pretty enticing for people who

0:30:30.880 --> 0:30:33.920
<v Speaker 2>felt repressed or restricted on land. I'm guessing right, like,

0:30:34.240 --> 0:30:35.360
<v Speaker 2>what did they have to lose?

0:30:36.240 --> 0:30:38.200
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that makes sense, and I do think a great

0:30:38.240 --> 0:30:41.360
<v Speaker 3>example of that mentality are the bands of Jewish pirates

0:30:41.360 --> 0:30:44.520
<v Speaker 3>that took to the open Ocean during the early seventeen hundreds.

0:30:44.800 --> 0:30:47.360
<v Speaker 3>That this is honestly something I'd never heard about before

0:30:47.480 --> 0:30:51.560
<v Speaker 3>this week, And apparently historians are still piecing together their

0:30:51.640 --> 0:30:54.680
<v Speaker 3>history as well, like I was reading that just in

0:30:54.720 --> 0:30:58.360
<v Speaker 3>this past decade, several graveyards were found in the Caribbean,

0:30:58.480 --> 0:31:01.840
<v Speaker 3>and many of the tombstone there feature Hebrew writing and

0:31:01.880 --> 0:31:06.880
<v Speaker 3>stars of David right alongside those iconic skull and crossbones symbols.

0:31:07.240 --> 0:31:09.480
<v Speaker 2>I mean, that is pretty wild. So I hadn't heard

0:31:09.480 --> 0:31:12.640
<v Speaker 2>about this either, But what made so many Jewish people

0:31:12.720 --> 0:31:13.320
<v Speaker 2>go pirate?

0:31:13.920 --> 0:31:16.240
<v Speaker 3>Well, I guess the seeds of it were actually planted

0:31:16.280 --> 0:31:18.920
<v Speaker 3>in the very same month that Columbus set sail back

0:31:18.960 --> 0:31:22.880
<v Speaker 3>in fourteen ninety two. So after sending Columbus on his way,

0:31:22.960 --> 0:31:25.720
<v Speaker 3>the King and Queen of Spain ordered the expulsion of

0:31:25.840 --> 0:31:29.360
<v Speaker 3>all Jews and Muslims from the country. Now, Portugal did

0:31:29.400 --> 0:31:32.240
<v Speaker 3>the same thing just a few years later. So these

0:31:32.280 --> 0:31:35.640
<v Speaker 3>Spanish Portuguese Jews set out to find new homes, and

0:31:35.960 --> 0:31:39.920
<v Speaker 3>many of them wound up settling on Caribbean islands. And

0:31:39.960 --> 0:31:43.040
<v Speaker 3>in fact, by the seventeen twenties, when Jewish pirates first

0:31:43.040 --> 0:31:47.440
<v Speaker 3>set sail, an estimated twenty percent of Kingston, Jamaica's population

0:31:47.760 --> 0:31:49.760
<v Speaker 3>was descended from Jewish exiles.

0:31:49.880 --> 0:31:50.200
<v Speaker 2>Wow.

0:31:50.800 --> 0:31:52.120
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So a few.

0:31:51.920 --> 0:31:55.280
<v Speaker 3>Of these Jews started captaining their own pirate ships and

0:31:55.680 --> 0:31:58.560
<v Speaker 3>christening them with names like Queen Esther and the Shield

0:31:58.640 --> 0:32:01.719
<v Speaker 3>of Abraham. And for the most part, these Jewish pirates

0:32:01.760 --> 0:32:06.560
<v Speaker 3>would exclusively target Spanish and Portuguese ships, not surprisingly because

0:32:06.800 --> 0:32:09.440
<v Speaker 3>this was really seen his payback for those generations of

0:32:09.520 --> 0:32:10.320
<v Speaker 3>unjust treatment.

0:32:11.120 --> 0:32:13.800
<v Speaker 2>I mean, This is fascinating. So it sounds like we're

0:32:13.840 --> 0:32:16.440
<v Speaker 2>still uncovering the full history of Jewish pirates. But I

0:32:16.480 --> 0:32:19.560
<v Speaker 2>am curious, are there any notorious ones we should know about, Like, like,

0:32:19.600 --> 0:32:21.880
<v Speaker 2>who's the Blackbeard of Jewish pirates?

0:32:22.240 --> 0:32:24.360
<v Speaker 3>You know, I'm not sure about that exactly, but I

0:32:24.400 --> 0:32:28.280
<v Speaker 3>think my favorite was probably Schmool Pilachi, who supposedly joined

0:32:28.280 --> 0:32:30.800
<v Speaker 3>in a number of pirate raids against the Dutch and

0:32:30.960 --> 0:32:31.800
<v Speaker 3>Spanish ships.

0:32:31.840 --> 0:32:34.840
<v Speaker 1>But here's the wild thing about Polacci. He was actually

0:32:34.920 --> 0:32:35.520
<v Speaker 1>a rabbi.

0:32:36.480 --> 0:32:39.760
<v Speaker 2>Wait, he was a rabbi pirate. I feel like that's

0:32:39.840 --> 0:32:41.320
<v Speaker 2>kind of an oxymoron, right.

0:32:41.680 --> 0:32:42.720
<v Speaker 1>Well apparently not.

0:32:42.920 --> 0:32:46.600
<v Speaker 3>I mean, by most accounts, Polachi was also pretty pious.

0:32:46.640 --> 0:32:48.840
<v Speaker 3>So not only did he insist that his crew donate

0:32:48.920 --> 0:32:51.800
<v Speaker 3>a tenth of their treasure to charity, he also made

0:32:51.840 --> 0:32:54.440
<v Speaker 3>sure they all kept kosher during their voyages.

0:32:54.960 --> 0:32:58.360
<v Speaker 2>That's amazing. So no shellfish. But uh, you know, we're

0:32:58.400 --> 0:33:01.400
<v Speaker 2>talking about how piracy was this drastic kind of escape

0:33:01.400 --> 0:33:04.080
<v Speaker 2>for repressed people, and I think another great example of

0:33:04.080 --> 0:33:06.600
<v Speaker 2>that are the many women who built new lives for

0:33:06.640 --> 0:33:09.280
<v Speaker 2>themselves at sea. So most of them earned their keep

0:33:09.280 --> 0:33:12.400
<v Speaker 2>as servants or cooks or prostitutes, but a few also

0:33:12.440 --> 0:33:16.800
<v Speaker 2>found work as merchant, sailors, naval officers, and even pirates.

0:33:17.120 --> 0:33:20.520
<v Speaker 2>For instance, there's this Irish pirate named Grace O'Malley and

0:33:20.600 --> 0:33:22.520
<v Speaker 2>in the sixteenth century she became one of the few

0:33:22.560 --> 0:33:25.240
<v Speaker 2>female pirates to captain her own ship, and she made

0:33:25.240 --> 0:33:27.840
<v Speaker 2>a pretty frightening name for herself all along the coast

0:33:27.840 --> 0:33:30.160
<v Speaker 2>of Ireland. Like she had a bunch of really intense

0:33:30.200 --> 0:33:32.280
<v Speaker 2>scars on her face, which he claimed were from being

0:33:32.320 --> 0:33:35.920
<v Speaker 2>attacked by an eagle. And if that wasn't badass enough,

0:33:35.960 --> 0:33:38.680
<v Speaker 2>she also reportedly gave birth to her youngest son while

0:33:38.680 --> 0:33:41.800
<v Speaker 2>aboard her ship and then proceeded to fight off invaders

0:33:41.800 --> 0:33:43.840
<v Speaker 2>with her baby in one hand and a sword in

0:33:43.880 --> 0:33:44.200
<v Speaker 2>the other.

0:33:44.480 --> 0:33:45.520
<v Speaker 1>Is that unround?

0:33:45.720 --> 0:33:49.120
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's pretty impressive and definitely something Blackbeard can't claim

0:33:49.200 --> 0:33:52.040
<v Speaker 3>to have done. But yeah, I think for my money,

0:33:52.080 --> 0:33:55.520
<v Speaker 3>the undisputed queen of female pirates and honestly maybe just

0:33:55.600 --> 0:33:59.680
<v Speaker 3>pirates in general has got to be Captain Ching Shew.

0:33:59.760 --> 0:34:02.440
<v Speaker 3>In the early nineteenth century, she spent her youth working

0:34:02.480 --> 0:34:06.440
<v Speaker 3>as a courtison on a floating brothel in Canton, China. Now,

0:34:06.680 --> 0:34:09.399
<v Speaker 3>during this time she made a name for herself as

0:34:09.560 --> 0:34:13.279
<v Speaker 3>this really shrewd business woman, and apparently she had a

0:34:13.360 --> 0:34:17.480
<v Speaker 3>knack for blackmail and would often use the secrets that

0:34:17.520 --> 0:34:19.960
<v Speaker 3>she'd heard as a prostitute. And she would do this

0:34:20.000 --> 0:34:23.840
<v Speaker 3>in order to control her wealthy and influential clients. So,

0:34:23.960 --> 0:34:26.520
<v Speaker 3>as you might imagine, this was a pretty attractive skill

0:34:26.640 --> 0:34:29.080
<v Speaker 3>to a pirate, which is how she came to marry

0:34:29.120 --> 0:34:32.799
<v Speaker 3>this other very famous pirate, one of the South China Sea,

0:34:32.880 --> 0:34:35.960
<v Speaker 3>and his name was ching I Sao. And this guy

0:34:36.040 --> 0:34:38.560
<v Speaker 3>was no slouch when it came to pirrating and by

0:34:38.600 --> 0:34:40.759
<v Speaker 3>the time he married the twenty six year old ching

0:34:40.880 --> 0:34:44.520
<v Speaker 3>She this was in I think eighteen oh one, Chang

0:34:44.560 --> 0:34:47.919
<v Speaker 3>had already united a bunch of rival pirate gangs into

0:34:47.960 --> 0:34:50.200
<v Speaker 3>what he called the Red Flag Fleet.

0:34:51.200 --> 0:34:53.719
<v Speaker 2>So did Chingshi have any power herself or was she

0:34:53.800 --> 0:34:55.279
<v Speaker 2>kind of just this figurehead.

0:34:56.000 --> 0:34:59.160
<v Speaker 3>No, she was definitely a very active participant in her

0:34:59.280 --> 0:35:02.080
<v Speaker 3>husband's inner prize. In fact, you know, many of these

0:35:02.120 --> 0:35:05.840
<v Speaker 3>stories report that she actually demanded equal control of the

0:35:05.880 --> 0:35:09.239
<v Speaker 3>fleet as a condition of their marriage, and her role

0:35:09.360 --> 0:35:12.440
<v Speaker 3>really only grew as time went on. So it was

0:35:12.480 --> 0:35:16.920
<v Speaker 3>only six years into their marriage that Chang passed away suddenly.

0:35:16.920 --> 0:35:18.960
<v Speaker 3>And this was at the age of forty two and

0:35:19.400 --> 0:35:22.280
<v Speaker 3>a few weeks later, Chang She took her husband's place

0:35:22.360 --> 0:35:24.719
<v Speaker 3>as the leader of the Red flag fleet.

0:35:25.000 --> 0:35:28.200
<v Speaker 2>Which to me sounds a little suspicious, like our husband

0:35:28.239 --> 0:35:31.760
<v Speaker 2>suddenly dies. But do we know how big that fleet

0:35:31.840 --> 0:35:32.719
<v Speaker 2>was that she inherited.

0:35:33.680 --> 0:35:35.440
<v Speaker 3>Well, we don't know how many ships are men she

0:35:35.480 --> 0:35:38.480
<v Speaker 3>inherited from her husband, but we do have a pretty

0:35:38.480 --> 0:35:40.520
<v Speaker 3>good estimate of the size of her fleet a few

0:35:40.560 --> 0:35:43.680
<v Speaker 3>years after she took over, and that's because in eighteen

0:35:43.680 --> 0:35:46.840
<v Speaker 3>oh nine, her forces captured an East India Company employee

0:35:46.920 --> 0:35:50.279
<v Speaker 3>named Richard Glasspool. Now, after he was released a few

0:35:50.320 --> 0:35:53.839
<v Speaker 3>months later, he writes this account of his experience, and

0:35:54.000 --> 0:35:58.239
<v Speaker 3>it included this detailed estimate of Chang She's forces. So,

0:35:58.360 --> 0:36:02.000
<v Speaker 3>according to him, there were roughly eighty thousand pirates under

0:36:02.000 --> 0:36:05.360
<v Speaker 3>her command and over eighteen hundred ships in her fleet.

0:36:05.560 --> 0:36:07.839
<v Speaker 3>And so to give you an idea of just how

0:36:07.960 --> 0:36:12.240
<v Speaker 3>vast her entourage was, consider that Blackbeard himself commanded only

0:36:12.360 --> 0:36:15.680
<v Speaker 3>four ships and three hundred pirates, and that was at

0:36:15.719 --> 0:36:16.240
<v Speaker 3>his peak.

0:36:17.320 --> 0:36:19.840
<v Speaker 2>I mean, those numbers really are insane, like eighty thousand

0:36:19.880 --> 0:36:23.080
<v Speaker 2>pirates and eighteen hundred ships, Like I I don't know

0:36:23.120 --> 0:36:26.000
<v Speaker 2>how you could actually keep that many pirates in check.

0:36:26.800 --> 0:36:30.320
<v Speaker 3>Well changed she borrowed from other pirates playbooks in that regard,

0:36:30.400 --> 0:36:34.280
<v Speaker 3>because once she took command, she quickly instituted this strict

0:36:34.280 --> 0:36:36.720
<v Speaker 3>code of laws for all of her men to follow,

0:36:37.280 --> 0:36:39.880
<v Speaker 3>and strict really is the key word here. And just

0:36:39.960 --> 0:36:43.840
<v Speaker 3>as an example, if any pirate disobeyed a superior's orders

0:36:44.040 --> 0:36:47.359
<v Speaker 3>or started giving orders of their own, they were immediately

0:36:47.400 --> 0:36:50.279
<v Speaker 3>beheaded right on the spot. And you know, she had

0:36:50.320 --> 0:36:53.760
<v Speaker 3>some really specific rules about female captives that you probably

0:36:53.800 --> 0:36:57.160
<v Speaker 3>won't find in any other pirate codes. Like there was

0:36:57.200 --> 0:36:59.040
<v Speaker 3>this one rule that said if a pirate took a

0:36:59.080 --> 0:37:02.360
<v Speaker 3>female prisoner for his wife, he had to be faithful

0:37:02.400 --> 0:37:03.920
<v Speaker 3>to her and couldn't sleep around.

0:37:04.160 --> 0:37:07.279
<v Speaker 2>That's really interesting. But you know, I am still kind

0:37:07.320 --> 0:37:09.440
<v Speaker 2>of hung up on the sheer size of her operation.

0:37:09.880 --> 0:37:12.800
<v Speaker 2>I mean, her fleet probably like you could see it

0:37:12.880 --> 0:37:15.879
<v Speaker 2>rivaling some other nations entire armed forces from that time.

0:37:16.280 --> 0:37:17.319
<v Speaker 1>I mean probably so.

0:37:17.640 --> 0:37:20.600
<v Speaker 3>In fact, under Ching She's command, the Red Flag Fleet

0:37:20.680 --> 0:37:23.440
<v Speaker 3>fought off not only the Chinese military, but the East

0:37:23.480 --> 0:37:27.439
<v Speaker 3>India Company, the Portuguese Navy, and you know, they were

0:37:27.560 --> 0:37:31.880
<v Speaker 3>undefeated for three full years until Ching she finally retired

0:37:31.920 --> 0:37:33.560
<v Speaker 3>altogether back in eighteen ten.

0:37:34.560 --> 0:37:36.720
<v Speaker 2>Wait, so she retired like I didn't even know pirates

0:37:36.719 --> 0:37:37.120
<v Speaker 2>could do that.

0:37:38.000 --> 0:37:39.839
<v Speaker 3>I mean, of course, not many of them did, and

0:37:39.920 --> 0:37:42.520
<v Speaker 3>even fewer, if any, retired in a way that Ching

0:37:42.640 --> 0:37:45.560
<v Speaker 3>She did. And you know, you look back at her retirement,

0:37:45.600 --> 0:37:48.359
<v Speaker 3>it was actually part of a deal that she made

0:37:48.360 --> 0:37:51.640
<v Speaker 3>with the Chinese government. And you know, after years of defeat,

0:37:52.080 --> 0:37:54.919
<v Speaker 3>the officials were just desperate to get Ching She out

0:37:54.920 --> 0:37:58.239
<v Speaker 3>of the spotlight by any means necessary, and so they

0:37:58.280 --> 0:38:01.240
<v Speaker 3>extended this offer to her, wherein she and her forces

0:38:01.239 --> 0:38:04.440
<v Speaker 3>would surrender and go their separate ways. And this was

0:38:04.480 --> 0:38:08.360
<v Speaker 3>in return for amnesty and full pensions for every single

0:38:08.520 --> 0:38:09.920
<v Speaker 3>member of the crew.

0:38:10.200 --> 0:38:12.880
<v Speaker 2>Wait, all eighty thousand of them got pensions.

0:38:13.239 --> 0:38:14.360
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, isn't that wild?

0:38:14.400 --> 0:38:17.200
<v Speaker 3>So she and her forces were seen as such a

0:38:17.239 --> 0:38:20.320
<v Speaker 3>big threat that the Chinese government basically paid them all

0:38:20.360 --> 0:38:23.359
<v Speaker 3>to stop being pirates. I mean, it was definitely a

0:38:23.480 --> 0:38:25.160
<v Speaker 3>one of a kind deal, at least as far as

0:38:25.200 --> 0:38:25.760
<v Speaker 3>I can tell.

0:38:26.239 --> 0:38:29.200
<v Speaker 2>That is amazing, And you know, I know we're talking

0:38:29.200 --> 0:38:31.040
<v Speaker 2>about criminals here, but I have to say it is

0:38:31.080 --> 0:38:34.399
<v Speaker 2>pretty cool that not only were their female pirates, but

0:38:35.160 --> 0:38:37.960
<v Speaker 2>kind of the most badass pirates of them all tend

0:38:38.000 --> 0:38:38.719
<v Speaker 2>to be women here.

0:38:39.960 --> 0:38:42.080
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and there's Actually, this great quote that I wanted

0:38:42.080 --> 0:38:44.600
<v Speaker 3>to read from a pirate historian and the author of

0:38:44.640 --> 0:38:47.640
<v Speaker 3>a book called Pirate Women. So her name is Laura

0:38:47.719 --> 0:38:51.120
<v Speaker 3>Silk Duncomb, and here she's talking about that attraction to

0:38:51.160 --> 0:38:54.800
<v Speaker 3>pirrating and the freedom it entailed that we mentioned earlier.

0:38:54.840 --> 0:38:58.440
<v Speaker 3>And while she's talking specifically in this case about female pirates,

0:38:59.080 --> 0:39:01.040
<v Speaker 3>I really think this could have applied to almost all

0:39:01.080 --> 0:39:03.600
<v Speaker 3>the ones that we've talked about today. So here's what

0:39:03.640 --> 0:39:06.400
<v Speaker 3>she says. All of these pirates had ships that were

0:39:06.520 --> 0:39:09.440
<v Speaker 3>very different and methods that were very different, but I

0:39:09.480 --> 0:39:12.400
<v Speaker 3>think they share the desire to control their own fates,

0:39:12.840 --> 0:39:15.839
<v Speaker 3>and the desire for freedom from convention would unite all

0:39:15.880 --> 0:39:18.960
<v Speaker 3>these women. Their hopes to escape the normal and be

0:39:19.040 --> 0:39:22.480
<v Speaker 3>a part of something adventurous would tie all these women together.

0:39:23.080 --> 0:39:25.600
<v Speaker 3>And we all share that desire for adventure, not the

0:39:25.640 --> 0:39:28.759
<v Speaker 3>desire for slitting throats or plundering the high seas. But

0:39:28.760 --> 0:39:31.040
<v Speaker 3>one can empathize with the desire to have a say

0:39:31.080 --> 0:39:32.040
<v Speaker 3>in how their life goes.

0:39:32.920 --> 0:39:35.239
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I do feel like people want to have a

0:39:35.280 --> 0:39:37.160
<v Speaker 2>say in how their life goes, and I like that.

0:39:37.280 --> 0:39:39.840
<v Speaker 2>But how about we end on that note and start

0:39:39.840 --> 0:39:53.800
<v Speaker 2>the fact off. So the Pittsburgh Pirates used to go

0:39:53.880 --> 0:39:57.160
<v Speaker 2>by a totally different name, the Pittsburgh Alleghenies, you know,

0:39:57.239 --> 0:40:00.120
<v Speaker 2>named after the Mountain Range. But when they poasted the

0:40:00.239 --> 0:40:03.240
<v Speaker 2>second basement from the Philadelphia Athletics in the eighteen eighties,

0:40:03.640 --> 0:40:07.160
<v Speaker 2>Philadelphia newspapers were outraged. They called it a theft, and

0:40:07.200 --> 0:40:09.400
<v Speaker 2>they referred to the team as a bunch of pirates,

0:40:09.520 --> 0:40:11.879
<v Speaker 2>and the name stuck. That's how they got the name.

0:40:12.160 --> 0:40:12.399
<v Speaker 1>Wow.

0:40:13.239 --> 0:40:15.839
<v Speaker 3>One of my favorite pirates who isn't often talked about

0:40:15.880 --> 0:40:19.200
<v Speaker 3>these days is Jean Lafoote, who was a barefoot pirate

0:40:19.640 --> 0:40:23.000
<v Speaker 3>who used to be the nemesis of Captain Crunch. So

0:40:23.600 --> 0:40:26.920
<v Speaker 3>now I don't know the full story behind this rivalry. Apparently,

0:40:27.360 --> 0:40:30.680
<v Speaker 3>Captain Horatio P. Crunch was created by an ad firm,

0:40:30.719 --> 0:40:33.520
<v Speaker 3>and this was in response to a survey that claimed

0:40:33.640 --> 0:40:36.520
<v Speaker 3>kids hated soggy cereal. I love that they had to

0:40:36.520 --> 0:40:38.560
<v Speaker 3>do a survey to find out that people don't like

0:40:38.680 --> 0:40:42.560
<v Speaker 3>soggi cereal. But because the cereal was so crunchy, the

0:40:42.640 --> 0:40:46.520
<v Speaker 3>pirates wanted it anyway. The Captain was so popular and

0:40:46.560 --> 0:40:48.960
<v Speaker 3>did such a good job of fighting off lafoot that

0:40:49.400 --> 0:40:51.960
<v Speaker 3>there was once a public movement to promote him to

0:40:52.000 --> 0:40:55.160
<v Speaker 3>the rank of admiral, but Quaker Oaths was not convinced,

0:40:55.200 --> 0:40:58.560
<v Speaker 3>and he's been overlooked now for I don't know several decades.

0:41:00.080 --> 0:41:03.399
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, admiral crunches in a cereal, I'd pick off this scenreals, right.

0:41:04.160 --> 0:41:06.640
<v Speaker 2>So have you ever heard of Pirate Joe's in Vancouver?

0:41:07.000 --> 0:41:08.359
<v Speaker 1>Yeah? I don't think so.

0:41:08.360 --> 0:41:11.040
<v Speaker 2>So it's this store that was recently shut down. But basically,

0:41:11.239 --> 0:41:14.480
<v Speaker 2>this guy in Canada would drive down to Trader Joe's

0:41:14.480 --> 0:41:17.200
<v Speaker 2>groceries in the US because there are no Trader Joe's

0:41:17.239 --> 0:41:19.880
<v Speaker 2>stores in Canada. He'd buy a ton of stuff in

0:41:19.960 --> 0:41:22.200
<v Speaker 2>bulk and then sneak it back up and sell it

0:41:22.239 --> 0:41:25.200
<v Speaker 2>at a higher cost. He had actually been banned from

0:41:25.200 --> 0:41:27.640
<v Speaker 2>Trader Joe's stores for doing this, so sometimes he'd wear

0:41:27.680 --> 0:41:31.920
<v Speaker 2>wigs or dresses or fake mustaches and pinstripe suits. It

0:41:32.000 --> 0:41:35.600
<v Speaker 2>got really elaborate. Sometimes he'd even recruit day laborers to

0:41:35.600 --> 0:41:37.839
<v Speaker 2>help him shop and pay at the register like it

0:41:38.000 --> 0:41:41.040
<v Speaker 2>was crazy. And when Trader Joe's took him to court

0:41:41.200 --> 0:41:44.160
<v Speaker 2>in twenty sixteen, they did this in the US, they

0:41:44.200 --> 0:41:47.319
<v Speaker 2>couldn't prove that he was actually hurting their business, so

0:41:47.560 --> 0:41:49.640
<v Speaker 2>he kind of got to keep doing it for a while,

0:41:50.160 --> 0:41:53.080
<v Speaker 2>and then finally Trader Joe's brought another court battle. During

0:41:53.080 --> 0:41:55.080
<v Speaker 2>the last court battle, he took the p off his

0:41:55.160 --> 0:41:58.320
<v Speaker 2>sign to change it from Pirate Joe's to Irate Joe's

0:41:58.480 --> 0:42:01.880
<v Speaker 2>and when he finally settled the case, the shop closed

0:42:01.880 --> 0:42:03.080
<v Speaker 2>down in twenty seventeen.

0:42:04.120 --> 0:42:07.439
<v Speaker 3>All right, well, something equally ridiculous here. We've talked about

0:42:07.440 --> 0:42:10.240
<v Speaker 3>the Pastafarian religion before in the Church of the Flying

0:42:10.280 --> 0:42:13.680
<v Speaker 3>Spaghetti Monster, so for anybody who doesn't know, it was

0:42:14.080 --> 0:42:17.279
<v Speaker 3>this satirical religion that was invented really in response to

0:42:17.400 --> 0:42:21.080
<v Speaker 3>religious fundamentalists, and the main claim is that a flying

0:42:21.120 --> 0:42:24.520
<v Speaker 3>spaghetti monster is just as likely as any other type

0:42:24.520 --> 0:42:27.520
<v Speaker 3>of God, so that's the one they chose to worship.

0:42:27.600 --> 0:42:31.800
<v Speaker 3>But for some reason, the very first Pastafarian wedding also

0:42:31.920 --> 0:42:34.879
<v Speaker 3>had a pirate connection to it. Now, the event took

0:42:34.880 --> 0:42:37.000
<v Speaker 3>place in New Zealand. This was just a couple of

0:42:37.080 --> 0:42:39.560
<v Speaker 3>years ago, and the bride and groom were head to

0:42:39.560 --> 0:42:42.680
<v Speaker 3>toe in pirate gear and everyone there wore.

0:42:42.560 --> 0:42:44.880
<v Speaker 1>Eyepatches of course.

0:42:44.960 --> 0:42:48.360
<v Speaker 3>Right now, that said, there was also this nod to

0:42:48.480 --> 0:42:52.239
<v Speaker 3>pasta and so the officiant wore a colander on her head,

0:42:52.280 --> 0:42:55.640
<v Speaker 3>which is the official headdress of the church. The couple

0:42:55.680 --> 0:42:59.040
<v Speaker 3>exchanged rings of pasta, and in their vows they agreed

0:42:59.080 --> 0:43:01.480
<v Speaker 3>to always add when boiling spaghetti.

0:43:03.080 --> 0:43:03.920
<v Speaker 1>Very romantic.

0:43:05.040 --> 0:43:07.480
<v Speaker 2>So when Julius Caesar was twenty five years old, he

0:43:07.560 --> 0:43:10.239
<v Speaker 2>was kidnapped by pirates, and when the pirates asked for

0:43:10.280 --> 0:43:13.080
<v Speaker 2>a ransom of twenty talents of silver, he just laughed

0:43:13.120 --> 0:43:15.000
<v Speaker 2>in their faces and told them to up it to

0:43:15.120 --> 0:43:17.440
<v Speaker 2>fifty because he was worth so much more than that.

0:43:17.920 --> 0:43:20.240
<v Speaker 2>So that's actually the part of the story i'd heard before.

0:43:20.360 --> 0:43:22.360
<v Speaker 2>But the part I didn't know was that he was

0:43:22.360 --> 0:43:25.800
<v Speaker 2>stuck on the ship for thirty eight days, and during

0:43:25.800 --> 0:43:29.080
<v Speaker 2>that time he was not a good hostage. He was

0:43:29.160 --> 0:43:32.960
<v Speaker 2>just completely unintimidated by these pirates. Not only did he

0:43:33.040 --> 0:43:35.080
<v Speaker 2>refuse to coward to them, he actually treated them like

0:43:35.160 --> 0:43:38.320
<v Speaker 2>they were his servants. He'd write poetry and then forced

0:43:38.360 --> 0:43:40.840
<v Speaker 2>them to listen to it. When when he slept he

0:43:40.880 --> 0:43:44.320
<v Speaker 2>demanded they stopped talking, and instead of acting like a prisoner,

0:43:44.360 --> 0:43:46.080
<v Speaker 2>he just kind of like stomped around doing what he

0:43:46.080 --> 0:43:48.760
<v Speaker 2>wanted to do, and they kind of gave him respect

0:43:48.760 --> 0:43:51.080
<v Speaker 2>for it. Of course, while he did act chummy with

0:43:51.120 --> 0:43:52.719
<v Speaker 2>them the whole time, he let them know that they

0:43:52.760 --> 0:43:56.120
<v Speaker 2>should watch out. And when he was finally freed, he

0:43:56.200 --> 0:43:59.160
<v Speaker 2>of course rounded up a small fleet, found his way

0:43:59.200 --> 0:44:01.799
<v Speaker 2>back to them, took back as fifty talents, took the

0:44:01.840 --> 0:44:04.160
<v Speaker 2>rest of their possessions as well, and then eventually had

0:44:04.200 --> 0:44:06.880
<v Speaker 2>them killed, which you know, is very Julius Caesar of him.

0:44:07.120 --> 0:44:08.879
<v Speaker 1>That is so Julius Caesar of him.

0:44:08.920 --> 0:44:11.840
<v Speaker 3>But all right, well, one of the best ways to

0:44:11.920 --> 0:44:15.360
<v Speaker 3>fight off modern pirates might just be pop music, and

0:44:15.760 --> 0:44:19.040
<v Speaker 3>in particular the music of Britney Spears. I was look

0:44:19.080 --> 0:44:22.680
<v Speaker 3>at this old Guardian article from twenty thirteen and Britney

0:44:22.680 --> 0:44:26.280
<v Speaker 3>Spears emerged as this unlikely figurehead and a fight against

0:44:26.320 --> 0:44:30.759
<v Speaker 3>Somali pirates. And that's because British naval officers started blasting

0:44:30.800 --> 0:44:33.440
<v Speaker 3>the songs Oops, I did it again and Baby one

0:44:33.560 --> 0:44:37.200
<v Speaker 3>more time at them, and strangely the tactic proved more

0:44:37.200 --> 0:44:41.320
<v Speaker 3>intimidating than guns and harpoons, apparently because it's one naval

0:44:41.320 --> 0:44:44.200
<v Speaker 3>officer put it quote her songs were chosen by the

0:44:44.200 --> 0:44:46.879
<v Speaker 3>security team because they thought the pirates would hate them

0:44:46.920 --> 0:44:50.440
<v Speaker 3>the most. These guys can't stand Western culture or music,

0:44:50.760 --> 0:44:53.880
<v Speaker 3>making Brittany hits perfect And as soon as the pirates

0:44:53.880 --> 0:44:56.480
<v Speaker 3>get a blast of Brittany, they move on as quickly

0:44:56.600 --> 0:44:57.280
<v Speaker 3>as they can.

0:44:58.040 --> 0:44:59.880
<v Speaker 2>So what I love about that story too, is like

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<v Speaker 2>you're talking about reporting from twenty thirteen, and those songs

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like came out in like two thousand and

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<v Speaker 2>two thousand and one sometime around then. Like they didn't

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<v Speaker 2>just like pick the latest pop songs. They went back

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<v Speaker 2>and specifically chose Brittany to scare.

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<v Speaker 1>Out fire and very specific.

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<v Speaker 3>They're still just as powerful today, so I'd be curious

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<v Speaker 3>that if they go back and use them again.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I do feel like you have to get the

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<v Speaker 2>trophy for that.

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<v Speaker 3>I saved that one especially for last, just for that fact.

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<v Speaker 3>I knew i'd get this one locked up. Well, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>Jason who