WEBVTT - The Second Messiah: King of Earth

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<v Speaker 1>Al Zone Media.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, welcome back to podcast Man Sad, Bad People, the

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<v Speaker 2>podcast about bad people that make the podcast Man Sad.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm the podcast man Robert Evans, and my co host

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<v Speaker 2>today is our friend Garrison Davis. Garrison, how are you

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<v Speaker 2>doing good? I thought it was one of my better intros.

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<v Speaker 3>It was unfortunately quite good for a topic about it's

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<v Speaker 3>absoitely deranged shit.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, so obviously. This is part two of our

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<v Speaker 2>series on Justin Mohane, the author of our first politically

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<v Speaker 2>Motivated author, first.

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<v Speaker 3>Just author better known for his other work.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think people should know that when you make

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<v Speaker 2>that joke, as you did the other week on Behind

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<v Speaker 2>the Bastards Too, you are referring to a mathematics paper

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<v Speaker 2>that cites the Unibomber's other published mathematic theories. Is like

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<v Speaker 2>better known for his other work mailing bombs to people.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh pretty funny.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And like the unabomber, Justin Mohen is deeply accomplished,

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<v Speaker 2>as in all, he's written more books than I have.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, yes, that is true. I'm not sure if you

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<v Speaker 3>want to be writing the types of books that Justin is,

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<v Speaker 3>but yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>No, but he did write them, and you get credit

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<v Speaker 2>for that su sure. So this was, as you stated

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<v Speaker 2>last episode published in twenty twenty. And I need to

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<v Speaker 2>start with the cover of this thing because it's it's

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<v Speaker 2>something else we see.

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<v Speaker 3>It's not a good cover.

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<v Speaker 2>No, it is taken. He appears to have taken it

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<v Speaker 2>or someone else took it from of him very close

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<v Speaker 2>up at a rest stop. And this is relevant because

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<v Speaker 2>rest stops play a critical critical role in some of

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<v Speaker 2>his beliefs about the world and some of his theories

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<v Speaker 2>about things that have happened to us. Yes, rest stops

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<v Speaker 2>are happening places for Justin Mohan. Okay, he is looking

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<v Speaker 2>behind him, he's like slightly disheveled. He's got like his

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<v Speaker 2>shirt open weirdly down like a button further than.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I'm basically gang Stocking vibes here.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's very much Again, we'll explain gang Stocking in

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<v Speaker 2>a second. But the pictures him, he's like looking behind

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<v Speaker 2>his shoulder. There's like two big lights behind him in

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<v Speaker 2>the distance in this photo, clearly taking at a rest stop.

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<v Speaker 2>And then there are like cartoon text bubbles over his

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<v Speaker 2>shoulder next to the lights that say get his picture, Hey,

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<v Speaker 2>there he is, And then like cartoon action bubbles that say,

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<v Speaker 2>snap snap, that I think are supposed to represent people

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<v Speaker 2>taking photos taking pictures.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, okay this.

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<v Speaker 2>As soon as I saw this, I had the same

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<v Speaker 2>reaction you had, which is like, oh, this is some

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<v Speaker 2>gang stocking shit, And if you're not aware of gang stocking,

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<v Speaker 2>gang stocking is kind of an er web two point

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<v Speaker 2>zero conspiratorial belief system. I don't know the conspiracy theory

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<v Speaker 2>is even really the right way to frame it. Gang

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<v Speaker 2>Stalking is people who have I think these are generally

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<v Speaker 2>people with schizophrenia, and one of the things that you

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<v Speaker 2>can experience with schizophrenia is both this kind of overwhelming

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<v Speaker 2>sense of paranoia and also the stereotypical hearing voices right,

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<v Speaker 2>and some people become convinced that they are being followed.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, this is something that has happened probably as

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<v Speaker 2>long as it has existed, that they are being tracked,

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<v Speaker 2>that they are people who are listening in on their thoughts.

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<v Speaker 2>You hear variations of it. With the Internet and digital communities,

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<v Speaker 2>a chunk of people experiencing this started forming communities online,

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<v Speaker 2>and I don't know the exact I don't know of

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<v Speaker 2>anyone has sort of like sketched out how this happened

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<v Speaker 2>in time, but the belief they ended up at is

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<v Speaker 2>that certain people are what are called targeted individuals within

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<v Speaker 2>the community, and those people are being stalked at all

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<v Speaker 2>times by large numbers of generally government spies. Now when

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<v Speaker 2>I say government spies, they are not in like a

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<v Speaker 2>James Bond type operator. They believe these are the regular

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<v Speaker 2>people in the street around them, like people in their neighborhood.

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<v Speaker 2>Their neighbors are all spies and are all stalking them

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<v Speaker 2>all the time. And you can watch hours of videos.

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<v Speaker 2>These people will often film eight hours of their life

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<v Speaker 2>at a stretch, and you can see them just like

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<v Speaker 2>angrily shouting at their window at like some dude walking

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<v Speaker 2>past their house or whatever, or like a car be

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<v Speaker 2>like see that blue cars past three times, and that

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<v Speaker 2>wouldn't happen if this wasn't like that. And it's so

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<v Speaker 2>one of the things that like one of the reasons

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<v Speaker 2>that gang stalking is kind of interesting and valuable to

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<v Speaker 2>study if you're interested in like how we got to

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<v Speaker 2>our present moment of like reality collapse in the United States,

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<v Speaker 2>is that this is an example of kind of feelings

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<v Speaker 2>that have been associated with certain mental illnesses. I'm not

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<v Speaker 2>gonna say it's just schizophrena, but certain mental illnesses bring

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<v Speaker 2>about severe bouts of paranoia and a feeling that you

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<v Speaker 2>are being stalked, right, or people who are listening in

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<v Speaker 2>on your thoughts or whatever. Because of the way digital

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<v Speaker 2>communities work, of people experiencing this were able to not

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<v Speaker 2>just get together and share their experiences, but convince each

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<v Speaker 2>other that they were not the result of an illness

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<v Speaker 2>and are in fact the result of a conspiracy. And

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<v Speaker 2>they have now built a mythos around that conspiracy, and

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<v Speaker 2>it has led to killings before. People have killed folks

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<v Speaker 2>they believed were stalking them over gang stocking delusions. It's

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<v Speaker 2>been happening for years. So yeah, that was the first

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<v Speaker 2>thing that occurred to me when I saw this cover.

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<v Speaker 2>And you can find other art that Moan put out

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<v Speaker 2>where it's like real pictures of him and then fake

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<v Speaker 2>art of like ghostly figures stalking him with cameras and stuff. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>A few months before he released his book, he put

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<v Speaker 3>out a song on Spotify called The Justin's Stalkers about

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<v Speaker 3>being gang stocked.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Yeah, and again, gangstock is not a political conspiracy theory.

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<v Speaker 2>Other than that you have to believe the government's evil,

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<v Speaker 2>but don't we all right, So it's very accessible.

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<v Speaker 3>There's certain gangstocking people who think they're like the Freemasons

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<v Speaker 3>are stocking mere like the Illuminatis stocking.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like random fantifa, you know, a shopper. Yeah, shit

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<v Speaker 2>gets grafted on as a result of politics, but it

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<v Speaker 2>did not inherently start as something that was like a

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<v Speaker 2>political thing, just kind of out of this very ex

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<v Speaker 2>filesy because the nineties is really when this starts to form,

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<v Speaker 2>I think late nineties.

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<v Speaker 3>And it's spread like wildfire are on, Like early Internet culture,

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<v Speaker 3>people were able to convince each other or like yeah

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<v Speaker 3>have have there alreadies like a small delusion be strengthened

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<v Speaker 3>and grown stronger by other people in this community, all

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<v Speaker 3>kind of encouraging each other.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think it's relevant too that it's kind of

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<v Speaker 2>a Web two point zero, early Web two point zero phenomenon,

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<v Speaker 2>because I don't think you get the same thing, and

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not going to say that what you would get

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<v Speaker 2>would be any healthier, but from the social media, because

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<v Speaker 2>the way most social media works is everyone's kind of

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<v Speaker 2>in a big pit together, and this was really the

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<v Speaker 2>result of a a kind of community that was closed

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<v Speaker 2>to outsiders that wasn't really being watched by people who

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<v Speaker 2>weren't drawn to it. Building a culture and people like really,

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<v Speaker 2>it takes a lot of time for that to happen. Obviously,

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<v Speaker 2>YouTube is also a big place where this has grown,

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<v Speaker 2>but I think after it had its roots established, that

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<v Speaker 2>was a bit of a diggression. But I think it

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<v Speaker 2>is kind of necessary because this is definitely that is

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<v Speaker 2>definitely where Justin comes out of. You know, like that

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<v Speaker 2>is very clear to me. All of this is kind

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<v Speaker 2>of rooted fundamentally in gang stalking. I think that's like

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<v Speaker 2>the foundational keystone belief in what has become his like

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<v Speaker 2>conspiratorial milieu. So into the book itself. The first page,

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<v Speaker 2>after the page that lets us all know Kindle Direct

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<v Speaker 2>Publishing is responsible for this thing, says.

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<v Speaker 3>This book Kindles Rye Publishing. Thanks Amazon the best place

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<v Speaker 3>to find all of the wild extremist books. Otherwise, never

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<v Speaker 3>never make.

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<v Speaker 2>They've really done us all a solid. This book is

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<v Speaker 2>dedicated to those who know who the real enemy is

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<v Speaker 2>and can still laugh even in the worst situations. Hope,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know what I have that describes me. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>it's great. So there are ten chapters in this thing.

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<v Speaker 2>They are long chapters. Chapter one is thirty two pages,

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<v Speaker 2>Chapter two is almost sixty pages, Jesus, Chapter three is

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<v Speaker 2>like another sixty pages, like fifty pages for five. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>these are like long, long chapters. And yeah, it's about

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<v Speaker 2>four hundred and fifty pages.

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<v Speaker 3>Wow.

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<v Speaker 2>So chapter one opens and I'm just gonna read you

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<v Speaker 2>actually a decent little chunk here. So it starts with

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<v Speaker 2>like him talking to his parents. But why leave, Buster,

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<v Speaker 2>You're a hometown hero, Missus Moon said. Missus Moon, in

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<v Speaker 2>her late fifties, paced back and forth on the hardwood

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<v Speaker 2>floor of the living room. Yeah, Buster, you're popular, You

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<v Speaker 2>were at the top of your class in high school,

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<v Speaker 2>you were a star athlete. You could end up mayor

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<v Speaker 2>of this town someday. Why don't you stay around here

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<v Speaker 2>where everyone knows you and see what happens. You'll have

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<v Speaker 2>to start a new elsewhere, mister Moon said. And obviously,

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<v Speaker 2>Buster Moon is are the actual Justin Mohan And we're

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<v Speaker 2>talking about his parents when we talk about mister Moon,

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<v Speaker 2>this is his dad who he murdered in beheaded. Just

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<v Speaker 2>you know, keep that in mind. Mister Moon, in his

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<v Speaker 2>early sixties, sat on a couch in the living room

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<v Speaker 2>watching television. A black and white episode of the Twilight

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<v Speaker 2>Zone was on. The sound on the TV was muted.

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<v Speaker 2>That's the point. I want to start anew I want

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<v Speaker 2>to meet new people, or at least not associate with

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<v Speaker 2>the people I grew up with and went to school

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<v Speaker 2>with my whole life. They're all going nowhere in town,

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<v Speaker 2>and they'll take me down with them. And we get

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<v Speaker 2>a little more of that where like he's talking about

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<v Speaker 2>why he wants he's not happy here, there's no future

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<v Speaker 2>for him. What's interesting to me is why he depicts.

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<v Speaker 2>And we don't know that this is accurate to his

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<v Speaker 2>experience with his parents. But also I don't necessarily think

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<v Speaker 2>it is not, because what he depicts his parents as

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<v Speaker 2>saying is he shouldn't do this because it's dangerous. Leaving

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<v Speaker 2>home is dangerous. You can't be safe on your own

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<v Speaker 2>in a new place or in the city, and you

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<v Speaker 2>will inevitably get murdered or have something horrible happen. He

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<v Speaker 2>puts these words in his dad's mouth right after he like,

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<v Speaker 2>first his mom tells him like, you're gonna die if

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<v Speaker 2>you move out, and then he puts this in his

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<v Speaker 2>dad's mouth, Yeah, you're going to get kidnapped, addicted to heroin,

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<v Speaker 2>and sold into a sex trafficking rink. In five years

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<v Speaker 2>from now, we'll find pictures of you bound and gagged

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<v Speaker 2>on some Russian website where you're up for sale. So

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<v Speaker 2>that's his dad, And then his mom adds, why do

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<v Speaker 2>you think your older siblings stayed within Ohio when they

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<v Speaker 2>moved out. It's dangerous out of state without your family.

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<v Speaker 2>So maybe that's just him putting words in their mouth.

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<v Speaker 2>But like, I have heard stuff like that from people.

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<v Speaker 2>That is not an uncommon thing to express, especially among

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<v Speaker 2>conservative families. Cities are dangerous, people are getting human trafficked

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<v Speaker 2>all the time. It's not safe to be out on

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<v Speaker 2>your own.

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<v Speaker 3>And those are some things he talked about in his

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<v Speaker 3>beheading video. And yeah, I know that after he had

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<v Speaker 3>to move back home from Colorado after losing his job,

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<v Speaker 3>he did move back in with his parents in Pennsylvania. Yep,

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<v Speaker 3>he does have an older sister. That just random other

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<v Speaker 3>things I know of his actual personal life and how

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<v Speaker 3>they could maybe tie in.

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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, yeah, yeah, And then you know a little

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<v Speaker 2>bit later, as this argument goes on, there is a

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<v Speaker 2>note where his mom like, maybe it would be for

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<v Speaker 2>the best if we took you to a psychiatrist. Buster,

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<v Speaker 2>you don't seem to be thinking straight interesting unclear to

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<v Speaker 2>me if they did, but I think that does kind

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<v Speaker 2>of suggest that was a thing his parents suggested often.

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<v Speaker 2>And then his dad says, yeah, you're talking crazy, Buster.

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<v Speaker 2>If someone doesn't mug you when you step out of

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<v Speaker 2>the car, you'll end up running out of money and

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<v Speaker 2>being homeless, and then you'll get put in prison for panhandling,

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<v Speaker 2>trespassing or stealing food and ending up making prison love

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<v Speaker 2>to Bubba the Butcher. And that has the feeling of

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<v Speaker 2>something that he heard before. That that's pretty specific, like

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<v Speaker 2>that sounds like something somebody was told and is kind

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<v Speaker 2>of repeating here. You know, I don't know that, but

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<v Speaker 2>that is very much the feel it has. And there's

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<v Speaker 2>a couple other bits where it's like I could see

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<v Speaker 2>this being something you heard from your very conservative family

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<v Speaker 2>or elsewise picked up in the media. Because there's another

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<v Speaker 2>point where his dad is like, you'll be all alone

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<v Speaker 2>and they know exactly how much money you have. It's

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<v Speaker 2>all digital. You can't beat the system. You can't beat

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<v Speaker 2>dot dot dot. And then in as the machine Missus

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<v Speaker 2>moon shot a white eyed glance at mister Moon. Huh,

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<v Speaker 2>what do you mean, Buster said. Mister Moon shook his head. Oh, nothing,

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<v Speaker 2>you'll have to find out for yourself. And then at

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<v Speaker 2>this point a cow screams. That's how he describes the

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<v Speaker 2>cow as screaming. And then their dog barks and they

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<v Speaker 2>all run outside. It's clear that something has gone wrong,

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<v Speaker 2>and mister Moon says, awe hell not again, those cult

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<v Speaker 2>fucking commie bastards. He grabs a shotgun and there they

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<v Speaker 2>find the exxanguinated and skinned corpse of the family cow

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<v Speaker 2>outside in the yard.

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<v Speaker 3>Because they're at like a farm in Ohio, I.

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<v Speaker 2>Believe, Yeah, they're at like the family farm. So he

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<v Speaker 2>thinks at first that this hide is a carpet. Then

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<v Speaker 2>Buster realized the carpet had black and white spots like

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<v Speaker 2>a cow and was hide material. The cow had been

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<v Speaker 2>completely exsanguinated, as the livestock industry would call an animal

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<v Speaker 2>drained of blood. The cow's eyes were missing, the bones

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<v Speaker 2>were strewn in a perfect circle around the cowhide in

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<v Speaker 2>an almost ritualistic or ceremonial manner, with a skull at

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<v Speaker 2>the top of the circle. Will twelve would be on

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<v Speaker 2>a clock about the same time it was then there

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<v Speaker 2>was not one drop of blood near the scene. Huh. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>when I brought up X files earlier, that's kind of why,

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<v Speaker 2>because that's X files stuff.

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<v Speaker 3>That's a very X files opening. Yeah, the Twilight Zone

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<v Speaker 3>was playing on the TV in the room in the scene. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>And this is obviously, by the way, if you listen

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<v Speaker 2>to a lot of or read a lot of like

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<v Speaker 2>this particularly kind of turn of the last century UFO stuff,

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of it focuses on animals being x sanguinated. Right,

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<v Speaker 2>cow's killed in these like weird fashions. Now he is

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<v Speaker 2>talking about a ritual murder. And also the timing doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>work out because they hear the cow run outside and

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<v Speaker 2>it's been completely skinn and exciting. But well, I think

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<v Speaker 2>what's important is, like you get an idea of like

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<v Speaker 2>this didn't come into his mind unbidden, Right, the term

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<v Speaker 2>exsanguinated as referred to a cow's corpse had not come

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<v Speaker 2>into his mind. And bind that's evidence of like the

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<v Speaker 2>kind of media diet he had, right, I.

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<v Speaker 3>Mean he was born in nineteen ninety one, that's like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>that's prime growing up with the X Files.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh absolutely, yeah, I mean I'm not that much older

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<v Speaker 2>than him, and that was definitely a big part of

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<v Speaker 2>my childhood. Yeah, but you know what could be a

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<v Speaker 2>big part of your childhood retroactively.

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<v Speaker 3>The products that can make your life better.

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<v Speaker 2>That's right, that's right. Garrison time is a flat circle,

0:14:10.880 --> 0:14:13.600
<v Speaker 2>and that means that if you buy products that advertise

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<v Speaker 2>on our show today, anything bad that happened in your

0:14:16.520 --> 0:14:32.880
<v Speaker 2>childhood can be healed. So here's the at Ah. We're

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<v Speaker 2>back and we're reading from the Second Messiah, King of

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<v Speaker 2>Earth by our friend Justin Mohan.

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<v Speaker 3>So it opened with what I would describe probably as

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<v Speaker 3>it's probably some kind of Satanic ritual, I'm guessing.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Yeah, we get a little more about what his

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<v Speaker 2>dad thinks here because the next thing, but his dad

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<v Speaker 2>starts crying and Buster tries to comfort him, and his

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<v Speaker 2>dad says, a cow that waits nearly a time, Well,

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<v Speaker 2>look the spelling's not perfect. A cow that weighs nearly

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<v Speaker 2>a ton gets completely d of blood and its bones

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<v Speaker 2>and organs are taken out perfectly, without one drop of

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<v Speaker 2>blood being spilled. And it all happens right here in

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<v Speaker 2>the middle of this field in less than an hour,

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<v Speaker 2>maybe even in just a couple of minutes. It's the

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<v Speaker 2>fifth cow this has happened to you this season, and

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<v Speaker 2>Betsy was my best cow. We just won't be able

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<v Speaker 2>to make a profit this year.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh my gosh.

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<v Speaker 2>He starts to cry, and then he says, don't tell

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<v Speaker 2>your mother I told you this. But you're right to

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<v Speaker 2>leave this place and go far away. There's nothing for

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<v Speaker 2>you here, and in fact, there's nothing for anyone here.

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<v Speaker 2>So at this point Buster's like, hey, don't say that, dad.

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<v Speaker 2>You know we've still got a farm. It'll be okay,

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<v Speaker 2>And his dad says, oh, Buster, soon you will learn

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<v Speaker 2>if you move out west on your own. There is

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<v Speaker 2>an evil in this world which has found its way

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<v Speaker 2>into this country, into every country. It is an ugly evil.

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<v Speaker 2>Nearly all the family farms in this state and plenty

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<v Speaker 2>of other states, have seen the same trend in the

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<v Speaker 2>past twenty years or so, a trend none of us

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<v Speaker 2>have seen before, unexplainable tragedies. Livestock gets mutilated or disappears,

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<v Speaker 2>Crops get infested with bugs and disease, and then all

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<v Speaker 2>of a sudden, the farm is taking a financial loss,

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<v Speaker 2>The farm shrinks, and eventually the family goes bankrupt. Their

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<v Speaker 2>land is bought out by a big corporation. More farmers

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<v Speaker 2>have committed suicide in the past decade than any other

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<v Speaker 2>profession and I can't blame them. Now. That ties into

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<v Speaker 2>some very real and very powerful conspiracy theories that this

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<v Speaker 2>is a lot of this ties into like Bill Gates stuff,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, the idea he has bought up a bunch

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<v Speaker 2>of farmland and among conspiratorial sex he has bought all

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<v Speaker 2>the farmland and China's buying all of it, or China

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<v Speaker 2>and Bill Gates are buying it together, and they want

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<v Speaker 2>to because they want to control the food supply and

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<v Speaker 2>take out the ability of Americans to feed themselves. Right, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>Like this is a this is something he picked up

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<v Speaker 2>from right wing media. This is not an invention of

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<v Speaker 2>his for this book. This is probably something he was

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<v Speaker 2>either raised to believe or came to believe fairly early

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<v Speaker 2>in life because of what other people around him were saying.

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<v Speaker 2>This is common stuff. He has put a twist on it.

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<v Speaker 2>But this is not coming out of nowhere. So after this,

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<v Speaker 2>he basically tries to talk his dad and like, hey,

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<v Speaker 2>can't you call the FBI or the police or you know,

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<v Speaker 2>surveil them to catch whoever's doing this, And his dad

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<v Speaker 2>says other farmers have tried, they just lose all their

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<v Speaker 2>money faster. And the police and an FBI have investigated.

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<v Speaker 2>But how could they stop something like this from happening

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<v Speaker 2>out of nowhere. I've sold more than half the acres

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<v Speaker 2>of the Moon family farm over the past three years alone,

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<v Speaker 2>and we can still barely stay afloat. There's no fighting it.

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<v Speaker 2>It's too secretive, it's too constant, it's too well orchestrated.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just too evil. But why is this happening? Why

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<v Speaker 2>is the government letting America's farms get unfairly taken over? Well,

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<v Speaker 2>as my father once told me, if you want to

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<v Speaker 2>take over a country, you have to gain control of

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<v Speaker 2>their food supply. Remember, my father was an immigrant from

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<v Speaker 2>Germany and he fled the Nazis with your grandmother, who

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<v Speaker 2>was a Jew, to come to America. He used to

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<v Speaker 2>always say, they are the Germans, there are the Russians,

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<v Speaker 2>and then there are the Germans from Russia, and they

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<v Speaker 2>all came to America for the same reason land.

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<v Speaker 3>And that is Justin's family history, which is also yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>why some Nazis on telegram did not like him.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he's very much not a Nazi, And at the

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<v Speaker 2>same time there's elements of like what he's saying here

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<v Speaker 2>that like, yeah, the Germans from Russia that moved here

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<v Speaker 2>very much John Birch stuff that like a fifth column

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<v Speaker 2>of communists from Europe have moved here and are trying

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<v Speaker 2>to change this country. So the conversation ends, he goes

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<v Speaker 2>to sleep. He wakes up the next morning to like

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<v Speaker 2>leave his family forever to start a new life out west.

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<v Speaker 2>And he starts by going out to the farm, taking

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<v Speaker 2>out his pipe and his last bit of marijuana, a

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<v Speaker 2>few green buds that he says to himself, perfectly calculated,

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<v Speaker 2>and then he smokes his last bowl of marijuana, which

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sure he did regularly and certainly did not help

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<v Speaker 2>his hit.

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<v Speaker 3>Justin Mohan did have a medical marijuana card that he

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<v Speaker 3>had to give up on January twenty ninth to go

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<v Speaker 3>a handgun that he would then later use one day

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<v Speaker 3>later to kill his father.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I guess good that he had to give up

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<v Speaker 2>his medical marijuana card first. Yeah, that's keeping people saying, yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>really stop the problem. So he says goodbye to his

0:18:58.440 --> 0:19:01.280
<v Speaker 2>parents and he gets on the road. Right, they seem

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<v Speaker 2>He actually does not describe his dad as being very

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<v Speaker 2>mean in this He's pretty sympathetic in the book. But interesting, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>which is interesting. But you know, a few years went

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<v Speaker 2>by between this one and between him killing his father.

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<v Speaker 2>So when I brought up earlier that highway rest stops

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<v Speaker 2>are a major part of this book, that's because of

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<v Speaker 2>what comes next. So he crosses from Ohio into Indiana

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<v Speaker 2>and he sees a rest area approaching. Hmm, got a

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<v Speaker 2>piss and wouldn't mind a snack, buster said, He pulls

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<v Speaker 2>off the highway. He gets into a parking lot, and

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<v Speaker 2>he describes most of the men and women wore overalls,

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<v Speaker 2>flannel shirts, and straw hats walking in and out of

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<v Speaker 2>the building to and from the parking lot. A few

0:19:38.080 --> 0:19:39.800
<v Speaker 2>people stood off to the sides of the building in

0:19:39.880 --> 0:19:42.360
<v Speaker 2>parking lot in a grass area. A few men were

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<v Speaker 2>urinating outside near the trees. An old man was squatting

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<v Speaker 2>at the tree line taking a shit. I've never been

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<v Speaker 2>to I've been to a lot of rest sadops. I've

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<v Speaker 2>actually not seen that happening at a rest stop. But

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<v Speaker 2>this is to set up something that's happening at the

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<v Speaker 2>rest stop, which he learns about when he goes into

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<v Speaker 2>the bathroom, and it turns out to be a bad

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<v Speaker 2>decision because as soon as he stands at the urinal,

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<v Speaker 2>he hears someone behind him saying, Oh, yeah, that's real nice.

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<v Speaker 2>Just look at that. You want to try it? Another

0:20:06.880 --> 0:20:09.680
<v Speaker 2>voice whispered. Buster eyed with one eyebrow and raised towards

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<v Speaker 2>the stall in his left four legs stood in the stall,

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<v Speaker 2>and then he hears people snorting drugs and a bit

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<v Speaker 2>of white powder falls to the floor and a guy

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<v Speaker 2>falls down and then is like, oh shit, that's good.

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<v Speaker 2>How much for an ounce? I think they're selling. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>not sure if it's supposed to be fentanyl or cocaine, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>something like that. And then they realize he's listening to

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<v Speaker 2>them do cocaine or whatever in the rest bathroom. Hold

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<v Speaker 2>on a sec I think someone's in here listening to us.

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<v Speaker 2>The other person whispered, should we kill him? The first

0:20:38.680 --> 0:20:42.359
<v Speaker 2>person whispered, at which point he fleets the rest stop. Yeah,

0:20:42.440 --> 0:20:46.920
<v Speaker 2>so quick escalation. This is like such a like to

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<v Speaker 2>take into a humorous degree, but such a like, Oh

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<v Speaker 2>what the Fox News viewing set thinks about, like everything

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<v Speaker 2>outside of their suburbs.

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<v Speaker 3>Justin did not grow up in Ohio. He grew up

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<v Speaker 3>in Pennsylvania. I think his family lived about an hour

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<v Speaker 3>north of Philadelphia, so he grew up in a very

0:21:06.040 --> 0:21:09.840
<v Speaker 3>suburban area outside of a big city. And that all

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<v Speaker 3>kind of grafts on to this.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it makes sense. Now, there's an interesting bit here

0:21:14.440 --> 0:21:16.560
<v Speaker 2>when he's outside of I guess they decided not to

0:21:16.640 --> 0:21:18.399
<v Speaker 2>chase him out of the bathroom, but he's still walking

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<v Speaker 2>around the rest stop and we get a little like

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<v Speaker 2>gang stalking bit here. People stared at Buster and kept

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<v Speaker 2>glancing at him, and he wondered why he didn't look

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<v Speaker 2>or dressed too differently, and he was barely out of

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<v Speaker 2>Ohio than he realized everyone was with someone else, Nobody

0:21:31.760 --> 0:21:36.320
<v Speaker 2>else was alone except him, And like, that's a delusion.

0:21:36.359 --> 0:21:39.000
<v Speaker 2>That's the kind of delusion leads to gangstig because number one,

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<v Speaker 2>I guarantee you there were other alone people that every

0:21:41.840 --> 0:21:44.440
<v Speaker 2>rest stop he ever went to. But also like people

0:21:44.480 --> 0:21:46.480
<v Speaker 2>don't pay attention to that sort of thing. That is

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<v Speaker 2>a voice in his head telling him to hyper focus

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<v Speaker 2>on this. So he gets freaked out by this. He

0:21:52.359 --> 0:21:56.280
<v Speaker 2>describes himself having a panic attack. Right. He describes like

0:21:56.320 --> 0:21:58.439
<v Speaker 2>having a panic attack about the fact that he's alone

0:21:58.440 --> 0:22:01.080
<v Speaker 2>out here. Now it seemed to more people were glancing

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<v Speaker 2>at him, even talking about him, as if they sensed

0:22:02.920 --> 0:22:05.680
<v Speaker 2>his feeling of vulnerability emanating from his chest like sharp

0:22:05.720 --> 0:22:09.480
<v Speaker 2>smelling fresh blood. So he finishes eating and he gets

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<v Speaker 2>back on the highway and he drives for a bit

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<v Speaker 2>more until he crosses he passes Indiana and gets into Illinois,

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<v Speaker 2>and then he will have another rest stop scene. This

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<v Speaker 2>is like he spends a lot of time on rest stops,

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<v Speaker 2>and this is I'm going to need you're accult knowledge here, Garrison,

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<v Speaker 2>so you can let me know if he gets this

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<v Speaker 2>stuff right. So, as he's like walking through the rest

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<v Speaker 2>stop area, he sees that, like there's a poster on

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<v Speaker 2>the wall that says this cabin was once an outpost

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<v Speaker 2>for trading with the Native Americans, used during the Civil

0:22:40.119 --> 0:22:42.879
<v Speaker 2>War to store guns and ammunition. Then he walks to

0:22:42.920 --> 0:22:45.200
<v Speaker 2>another glass casing on the adjacent wall and he reads

0:22:45.200 --> 0:22:48.440
<v Speaker 2>the poster inside considered haunted by locals after peg and

0:22:48.480 --> 0:22:50.600
<v Speaker 2>witches lived in the cabin, who were later burned at

0:22:50.600 --> 0:22:53.360
<v Speaker 2>the stake for witchcraft. Abandoned for over one hundred years

0:22:53.359 --> 0:22:56.960
<v Speaker 2>before being restored as a rest area. So he's that's

0:22:57.000 --> 0:22:59.560
<v Speaker 2>to set the scene, and then he goes like, gets

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<v Speaker 2>himself some food or something, and as he's looking outside

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<v Speaker 2>at the surrounding forest, he sees one hundred yards into

0:23:04.520 --> 0:23:07.120
<v Speaker 2>the forest there are tiki torches lit. And it's four

0:23:07.200 --> 0:23:10.159
<v Speaker 2>oh one pm in the afternoon. What the fuck do

0:23:10.200 --> 0:23:12.040
<v Speaker 2>they have torches lit in the forest for if it's

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<v Speaker 2>not going to be dark for another two hours, Buster said,

0:23:15.000 --> 0:23:17.520
<v Speaker 2>So he walks in and he sees a few individuals

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<v Speaker 2>dressed like vagabonds, dancing slowly in circles around the fire,

0:23:20.880 --> 0:23:23.440
<v Speaker 2>with their arms spread out waving in the air. Buster

0:23:23.600 --> 0:23:26.240
<v Speaker 2>quietly climbed through some bushes to get a quiet closer look.

0:23:26.400 --> 0:23:28.159
<v Speaker 2>There were two men and a woman, all in dirty

0:23:28.200 --> 0:23:30.679
<v Speaker 2>torn robes, dancing within a circle of lit candles and

0:23:30.720 --> 0:23:34.040
<v Speaker 2>tiki torches. One male and female danced inside the circle,

0:23:34.160 --> 0:23:36.960
<v Speaker 2>chanting and murmuring words which Buster couldn't make out. The

0:23:37.000 --> 0:23:39.280
<v Speaker 2>other male was kneeling on the ground inside the circle,

0:23:39.320 --> 0:23:41.719
<v Speaker 2>carving up pumpkin a picture lay in front of him

0:23:41.720 --> 0:23:44.520
<v Speaker 2>in a bed of flowers. Please, spirits of nature and

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<v Speaker 2>beyond except this pumpkin carving and our sacrifices on this

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<v Speaker 2>day of sam Hayn, in remembrance of our deceased loved ones,

0:23:50.840 --> 0:23:54.760
<v Speaker 2>please ease their passage into the other world. Okay, how's

0:23:54.760 --> 0:23:56.560
<v Speaker 2>that sounding so far, Garrison? Is that real?

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<v Speaker 3>Is this supposed to be around Halloween? Is this supposed

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<v Speaker 3>to be.

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<v Speaker 2>It's unclear, but based on the fact that it day

0:24:06.400 --> 0:24:08.000
<v Speaker 2>ends at six pm? Probably yes?

0:24:08.240 --> 0:24:12.240
<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, okay, well yeah, I mean dancing around a

0:24:12.240 --> 0:24:15.200
<v Speaker 3>fire is certainly is certainly fire rest stop.

0:24:15.320 --> 0:24:17.520
<v Speaker 2>Sure, all right, well let's get to the Let's get

0:24:17.520 --> 0:24:20.840
<v Speaker 2>to them finishing the ritual. So next a woman screams

0:24:20.840 --> 0:24:24.720
<v Speaker 2>the magic words iaka I don't know. Looked it up,

0:24:25.119 --> 0:24:26.480
<v Speaker 2>couldn't find anything.

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<v Speaker 3>That doesn't sound familiar to me either, but yeah.

0:24:28.160 --> 0:24:31.479
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so she screams, and then another female emerged from

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<v Speaker 2>behind a tree with a donkey by a leash in

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<v Speaker 2>one hand and a stick carrying a decorated horse's skull

0:24:36.480 --> 0:24:38.840
<v Speaker 2>on the other. The horse's skull had red ornaments in

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<v Speaker 2>its eye sockets and a sheet draping over its head.

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<v Speaker 2>She danced into the center of the circle of candles

0:24:43.840 --> 0:24:45.919
<v Speaker 2>with the others. The man who was kneeling picked up

0:24:45.920 --> 0:24:48.280
<v Speaker 2>a long curved sword from the ground and stood up.

0:24:48.640 --> 0:24:51.760
<v Speaker 2>Let the sacrifice of this ass please the spirits of nature.

0:24:51.840 --> 0:24:52.639
<v Speaker 2>The man yelled.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, well, you know, this is probably a little bit

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<v Speaker 3>more intense than your average wiccan soven ritual.

0:25:00.720 --> 0:25:04.800
<v Speaker 2>But sure, yeah, yeah, I don't know. And ass that's

0:25:04.800 --> 0:25:08.639
<v Speaker 2>a unique sacrifice story. Usually it's like a cow or

0:25:08.680 --> 0:25:11.159
<v Speaker 2>a chicken or something. But uh huh, I appreciate that.

0:25:11.200 --> 0:25:14.159
<v Speaker 2>So he raises the sword above his head. No, buster yelled,

0:25:14.400 --> 0:25:18.200
<v Speaker 2>hehaw the donkey whine. The donkey got scared and jerked away.

0:25:18.320 --> 0:25:21.679
<v Speaker 2>Just as the man swung the sword, slush blood spurted

0:25:21.760 --> 0:25:25.720
<v Speaker 2>upwards and outwards. Ah, the female yelled. The female fell

0:25:25.760 --> 0:25:28.160
<v Speaker 2>to her knees, and the donkey ran away from the forest,

0:25:28.359 --> 0:25:31.880
<v Speaker 2>her severed arm still holding onto the leech. The female

0:25:32.000 --> 0:25:34.960
<v Speaker 2>raised her bleeding stump. You idiot, you cut off my arm,

0:25:35.040 --> 0:25:37.800
<v Speaker 2>she said. Well, the donkey got scared. The man said,

0:25:38.040 --> 0:25:40.080
<v Speaker 2>Now what are we going to eat? The woman said.

0:25:40.320 --> 0:25:42.199
<v Speaker 2>The three others glanced at each other, then looked at

0:25:42.240 --> 0:25:44.640
<v Speaker 2>the woman on the ground with one arm. No, don't

0:25:44.640 --> 0:25:46.919
<v Speaker 2>even think about it, she said. The man holding the

0:25:46.920 --> 0:25:51.000
<v Speaker 2>sword raised it high up his head again. Ah, she screamed. Ah,

0:25:51.080 --> 0:25:53.960
<v Speaker 2>buster screamed. The woman held her remaining arm up just

0:25:53.960 --> 0:25:56.560
<v Speaker 2>as the man swung down the sword. The sword cut

0:25:56.560 --> 0:25:58.600
<v Speaker 2>her hand in half from top to bottom between the

0:25:58.640 --> 0:26:01.200
<v Speaker 2>middle finger and ring finger, slicing all the way down

0:26:01.200 --> 0:26:05.879
<v Speaker 2>her forearm. Now that's that's not where I expected this

0:26:06.000 --> 0:26:10.160
<v Speaker 2>passage to go. But it gets better because they all

0:26:10.240 --> 0:26:13.399
<v Speaker 2>realize Buster's there at this point and give up on

0:26:13.440 --> 0:26:15.400
<v Speaker 2>their plans to eat this woman, who they have now

0:26:15.440 --> 0:26:18.160
<v Speaker 2>hacked at twice, and instead she and all of them

0:26:18.200 --> 0:26:21.480
<v Speaker 2>start charging Buster. And he describes it as they all

0:26:21.520 --> 0:26:24.520
<v Speaker 2>turned directly towards Buster and began ranning towards him. Even

0:26:24.560 --> 0:26:26.760
<v Speaker 2>the woman with one arm, which was divided in half

0:26:26.800 --> 0:26:30.120
<v Speaker 2>like a lobster claw, ran towards Buster, her arm flapping

0:26:30.160 --> 0:26:32.040
<v Speaker 2>in halves as she sprinted towards him.

0:26:32.920 --> 0:26:34.399
<v Speaker 3>That is an interesting writing.

0:26:35.440 --> 0:26:39.280
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's I didn't call that coming. I love that. Yes,

0:26:39.359 --> 0:26:40.479
<v Speaker 2>she got lobster afied.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's a very eventful Sawin.

0:26:44.200 --> 0:26:48.679
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, huh uh. I don't think that actually happened to Buster.

0:26:49.080 --> 0:26:54.080
<v Speaker 3>I don't think that. I don't believe. On Justin's move

0:26:54.119 --> 0:26:58.400
<v Speaker 3>from Pennsylvania to Colorado, he stumbled across a pagan ritual

0:26:58.800 --> 0:27:01.840
<v Speaker 3>where they dis meant a woman and gave her a

0:27:01.840 --> 0:27:02.679
<v Speaker 3>lobster claw.

0:27:03.040 --> 0:27:06.000
<v Speaker 2>I do suspect that maybe he saw someone walking their

0:27:06.080 --> 0:27:08.000
<v Speaker 2>dog near a rest stop and filled in the.

0:27:08.000 --> 0:27:10.640
<v Speaker 3>Rest That is certainly possible.

0:27:11.240 --> 0:27:14.920
<v Speaker 2>Speaking of dog shit, you know what's not dog shit?

0:27:16.160 --> 0:27:16.800
<v Speaker 3>These ads?

0:27:17.359 --> 0:27:19.640
<v Speaker 2>Uh huh, that's right, these ads.

0:27:19.680 --> 0:27:22.399
<v Speaker 3>Aren't we sponsored by like the state of Ohio or something?

0:27:22.560 --> 0:27:25.520
<v Speaker 2>Huh oh yeah, then in that case we probably should

0:27:25.560 --> 0:27:41.119
<v Speaker 2>just move on. Ah, we are back and having a

0:27:41.160 --> 0:27:44.399
<v Speaker 2>really good time learning some more about our old friend

0:27:44.720 --> 0:27:49.160
<v Speaker 2>justin moan So Garrison. At this point, he he flees

0:27:49.359 --> 0:27:54.159
<v Speaker 2>from the Wickanists and their d handed friend and he

0:27:54.480 --> 0:27:56.760
<v Speaker 2>gets back on the road again. Doesn't seem to call

0:27:56.800 --> 0:27:59.560
<v Speaker 2>the police over this, but I guess they probably were

0:27:59.600 --> 0:28:01.800
<v Speaker 2>in on it to what could the police have done

0:28:01.840 --> 0:28:05.240
<v Speaker 2>about people dismembering a woman directly next to a crowded

0:28:05.280 --> 0:28:08.800
<v Speaker 2>highway rest stop. So he decides he gets to Saint

0:28:08.800 --> 0:28:11.040
<v Speaker 2>Louis he needs to find a place to eat. He

0:28:11.080 --> 0:28:14.480
<v Speaker 2>finds a cheap Italian restaurant and he parallel parked at

0:28:14.520 --> 0:28:19.560
<v Speaker 2>the curb. Uh buster walked inside the restaurant into the counter.

0:28:19.920 --> 0:28:22.240
<v Speaker 2>A small man stood beside the counter with a thick

0:28:22.280 --> 0:28:25.280
<v Speaker 2>Italian accent. I make a good pie for you like

0:28:25.320 --> 0:28:28.359
<v Speaker 2>you find on the East Coast. Yeah, no, West Coast,

0:28:28.600 --> 0:28:36.000
<v Speaker 2>and then he uses a slur for gay people stuff. Okay, no, good,

0:28:36.080 --> 0:28:39.080
<v Speaker 2>thank you. Buster said, you ain't a slur, are you?

0:28:39.320 --> 0:28:42.440
<v Speaker 2>The man said no, sir. Buster said you sure you

0:28:42.480 --> 0:28:44.720
<v Speaker 2>don't don't want us some pineapples on this with no

0:28:44.800 --> 0:28:47.720
<v Speaker 2>red sauce, all white and a cheesy stuffed crust. Huh,

0:28:47.760 --> 0:28:53.239
<v Speaker 2>And then he calls him a slur again. No, very stereotypical,

0:28:53.320 --> 0:28:56.880
<v Speaker 2>but also big in an Italian chef character here.

0:28:57.720 --> 0:29:00.320
<v Speaker 3>You know, I actually ate at an Italian rush joted

0:29:00.360 --> 0:29:04.880
<v Speaker 3>Saint Louis last year. I was not accosted for being gay.

0:29:05.000 --> 0:29:08.240
<v Speaker 2>But that's good. That's good. Did your guy have a

0:29:08.280 --> 0:29:09.720
<v Speaker 2>comedic Italian accent?

0:29:10.240 --> 0:29:12.120
<v Speaker 3>No? I think I was being served by a lesbian.

0:29:12.160 --> 0:29:14.360
<v Speaker 2>Actually, okay, well that's probably why.

0:29:14.400 --> 0:29:15.040
<v Speaker 3>That's probably why.

0:29:15.160 --> 0:29:17.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. So Buster tells him that he just wants a

0:29:17.840 --> 0:29:20.640
<v Speaker 2>plane pizza, and the pizza man is willing to serve him,

0:29:20.640 --> 0:29:23.400
<v Speaker 2>but he does use the slur again. At this point,

0:29:23.600 --> 0:29:26.600
<v Speaker 2>two men barged into the restaurant wearing long black pea coats,

0:29:26.640 --> 0:29:30.040
<v Speaker 2>black pants and shoes, and black fedoras. I already paid

0:29:30.080 --> 0:29:31.240
<v Speaker 2>my d space.

0:29:31.800 --> 0:29:34.480
<v Speaker 3>Here we go. This is this is what I was

0:29:34.520 --> 0:29:37.120
<v Speaker 3>signing up for this is rough. Stops are fine, This

0:29:37.640 --> 0:29:38.479
<v Speaker 3>is what I wanted.

0:29:38.920 --> 0:29:42.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I already paid my dues. Boys, the man behind

0:29:42.960 --> 0:29:45.760
<v Speaker 2>the counter said. The man behind the counter spun pizza

0:29:45.800 --> 0:29:50.720
<v Speaker 2>dough in one hand. Look tony unpazzo con pizza, one

0:29:50.720 --> 0:29:53.280
<v Speaker 2>man said. The other man in the Fedora laughs. The

0:29:53.320 --> 0:29:56.040
<v Speaker 2>old fool thinks we're here to collect dues, so what

0:29:56.080 --> 0:29:58.280
<v Speaker 2>the hell do you want a fucking pizza for it?

0:29:58.400 --> 0:30:01.040
<v Speaker 2>He just keeps using that he can't he cannot mention

0:30:01.200 --> 0:30:05.080
<v Speaker 2>pizza with that, dropping a slur. I am, I'll tell

0:30:05.080 --> 0:30:08.280
<v Speaker 2>you what. I'm not sympathetic towards this Italian man's plight.

0:30:09.600 --> 0:30:12.640
<v Speaker 2>Both men and Fedoras laughed hysterically and turned towards Buster.

0:30:12.760 --> 0:30:16.560
<v Speaker 2>They lifted their pea coats and revealed Thompson's submachine guns.

0:30:16.800 --> 0:30:20.440
<v Speaker 2>A can't tell me guns. Those are so much more

0:30:20.480 --> 0:30:25.360
<v Speaker 2>expensive than modern crime guns. Why are they spending thirty three?

0:30:26.800 --> 0:30:35.840
<v Speaker 3>Yeah? Yeah? Where? Oh it's good stuff, like in Chicago, baby,

0:30:35.920 --> 0:30:39.600
<v Speaker 3>in Saint Louis, of course, Chicago, Come on St. Louis,

0:30:39.720 --> 0:30:41.360
<v Speaker 3>let's so you're real here.

0:30:41.760 --> 0:30:45.520
<v Speaker 2>The men never explain why they're killing this guy, but

0:30:45.680 --> 0:30:51.080
<v Speaker 2>as Buster's eyes, buddy, yeah, yeah, these are the these

0:30:51.120 --> 0:30:55.640
<v Speaker 2>are the LGBT police. So they they opened fire. They

0:30:55.640 --> 0:30:58.520
<v Speaker 2>each empty one hundred bullets towards the man behind the counter.

0:30:59.040 --> 0:31:03.719
<v Speaker 2>Then they turned to you saw nothing, kid, nothing got it?

0:31:03.800 --> 0:31:08.160
<v Speaker 2>The man said, I didn't see Shitbusters said, oh my god.

0:31:08.800 --> 0:31:11.440
<v Speaker 2>So the bigoted pizza man has been shot full of

0:31:11.480 --> 0:31:16.120
<v Speaker 2>holes and honestly, I'm fine. Must just leaves and goes

0:31:16.200 --> 0:31:17.160
<v Speaker 2>back to his car.

0:31:17.680 --> 0:31:22.680
<v Speaker 3>He finds what a fascinating thing to include the story, like.

0:31:25.160 --> 0:31:27.520
<v Speaker 2>It's He's making a lot of choices here. I wish

0:31:27.600 --> 0:31:30.240
<v Speaker 2>I could ask him about some of his process, like

0:31:30.480 --> 0:31:34.000
<v Speaker 2>why did the pizza man have to be stereotypically Italian?

0:31:34.320 --> 0:31:36.520
<v Speaker 2>Why did the gangsters have to carry a gun that

0:31:36.560 --> 0:31:41.080
<v Speaker 2>has been outdated for nearly one hundred years. Anyway, he

0:31:41.120 --> 0:31:44.720
<v Speaker 2>goes to a cheap Asian restaurant next, and again parallel

0:31:44.720 --> 0:31:46.640
<v Speaker 2>parks at the curve. He really wants us to know

0:31:46.680 --> 0:31:48.840
<v Speaker 2>that he can parallel park. This is this is something

0:31:48.880 --> 0:31:50.480
<v Speaker 2>he's made a point of several times.

0:31:50.480 --> 0:31:50.960
<v Speaker 3>Interesting.

0:31:51.400 --> 0:31:54.400
<v Speaker 2>Oh no, Garrison, I'm not excited to try to read you.

0:31:54.440 --> 0:31:57.480
<v Speaker 2>The next line, a small man stood behind the counter

0:31:57.600 --> 0:31:59.240
<v Speaker 2>with a thick Chinese accent.

0:31:59.760 --> 0:32:02.800
<v Speaker 3>Nope, nope, you can do Italian.

0:32:03.200 --> 0:32:07.120
<v Speaker 2>I am not gonna try this. What's important, you know,

0:32:07.640 --> 0:32:10.160
<v Speaker 2>is that he says the same thing as the Italian man.

0:32:10.320 --> 0:32:12.720
<v Speaker 2>I make it racistly, but he says, I'll make you

0:32:12.800 --> 0:32:14.640
<v Speaker 2>good food like you get on the East coast, no

0:32:14.800 --> 0:32:17.720
<v Speaker 2>West coast. And then he also uses the same slur,

0:32:18.080 --> 0:32:20.400
<v Speaker 2>and then he asks several more times about it and

0:32:20.520 --> 0:32:25.160
<v Speaker 2>repeatedly calls him a slur. I don't understand why they

0:32:25.200 --> 0:32:28.600
<v Speaker 2>are both the same person, but the same two men

0:32:28.800 --> 0:32:33.200
<v Speaker 2>in long black pea coats fedoras come in and then

0:32:33.400 --> 0:32:35.000
<v Speaker 2>they shoot this guy repeatedly.

0:32:35.360 --> 0:32:39.320
<v Speaker 3>Huh yeah, yeah, that's actually more interesting that this whole

0:32:39.320 --> 0:32:43.960
<v Speaker 3>instant gets repeated. Just a slightly different cultural backing it is.

0:32:44.120 --> 0:32:46.800
<v Speaker 2>It is compelling, right, and again the guys like you

0:32:46.920 --> 0:32:48.680
<v Speaker 2>saw nothing. But then they're like, oh, hey, aren't you

0:32:48.720 --> 0:32:51.080
<v Speaker 2>the same kid from the other restaurant where we just

0:32:51.240 --> 0:32:56.680
<v Speaker 2>machine gun demand and Buster, showing admirable bravery here says, yeah,

0:32:57.000 --> 0:32:59.960
<v Speaker 2>what's going on? I'm just trying to find something to eat,

0:33:00.560 --> 0:33:04.240
<v Speaker 2>and the mafia man very nicely explains, oi, kid, every

0:33:04.320 --> 0:33:07.040
<v Speaker 2>restaurant in Saint Louis is owned by the same gang.

0:33:07.160 --> 0:33:09.120
<v Speaker 2>That's why they all say the same script when you

0:33:09.240 --> 0:33:11.880
<v Speaker 2>walk in. But we're taking over their racket and we're

0:33:11.920 --> 0:33:15.760
<v Speaker 2>taking over the restaurant business in Saint Louis. So that's

0:33:15.840 --> 0:33:19.200
<v Speaker 2>why both the Chinese man and the Italian man said

0:33:19.240 --> 0:33:28.720
<v Speaker 2>the same things. Is they have a script. Oh wow, huh, yeah,

0:33:29.120 --> 0:33:32.960
<v Speaker 2>that's compelling coming. Yeah. So so Buster stops at a

0:33:33.000 --> 0:33:35.320
<v Speaker 2>gas station to get a pre made tuna sand which, which,

0:33:35.400 --> 0:33:38.040
<v Speaker 2>to be honest, seems like the decision to make after

0:33:38.480 --> 0:33:42.720
<v Speaker 2>after going of these Yeah. So he winds up driving

0:33:42.800 --> 0:33:47.680
<v Speaker 2>again through the countryside. He approaches Columbia, in between Saint

0:33:47.760 --> 0:33:50.760
<v Speaker 2>Louis and Kansas City, and he asks a guy if

0:33:50.800 --> 0:33:53.440
<v Speaker 2>he can use a public restroom. Yes, sir, just take

0:33:53.480 --> 0:33:55.680
<v Speaker 2>this here key, witches so you can get in the door.

0:33:56.120 --> 0:33:57.640
<v Speaker 2>The man held a key up towards Buster.

0:33:58.160 --> 0:33:58.480
<v Speaker 3>Ha ha ha.

0:33:59.200 --> 0:34:02.080
<v Speaker 2>The man laughed. Odd way to write laughter, not how

0:34:02.160 --> 0:34:04.680
<v Speaker 2>laughter sounds. Buster walked up to the man and took

0:34:04.760 --> 0:34:07.600
<v Speaker 2>the key. Thanks. Buster said, we'll say, mister, you're not

0:34:07.640 --> 0:34:09.520
<v Speaker 2>from around here? Is yeah, I don't recognize you. The

0:34:09.600 --> 0:34:12.120
<v Speaker 2>man said, no, I'm just passing through. Buster said, you're

0:34:12.120 --> 0:34:14.560
<v Speaker 2>making your way to Kansas City, Yes, sir, Well you

0:34:14.640 --> 0:34:17.239
<v Speaker 2>better be careful. There are abandons on that bridge that

0:34:17.400 --> 0:34:22.439
<v Speaker 2>goes over the Missouri rivers sometimes at night. Now that's

0:34:22.560 --> 0:34:23.520
<v Speaker 2>not true.

0:34:23.760 --> 0:34:27.439
<v Speaker 3>But also I I did run into bandits on my okay, okay,

0:34:27.560 --> 0:34:29.760
<v Speaker 3>on my road trip through uh through uh Kansas.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, okay, it's been a couple of years for me.

0:34:31.960 --> 0:34:34.320
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, Saint Louis, Yeah, no, it was. It was intense.

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<v Speaker 2>So Buster's like, that's great, I'm gonna use the bathroom anyway,

0:34:38.440 --> 0:34:40.520
<v Speaker 2>and the man says, I'll be watching you, and so

0:34:40.680 --> 0:34:44.000
<v Speaker 2>Buster says, okay, maybe I won't go, and then the

0:34:44.080 --> 0:34:50.239
<v Speaker 2>man yells, I was gonna suck your dick. So I

0:34:50.320 --> 0:34:54.120
<v Speaker 2>think we've gotten a good picture of what's going on

0:34:54.280 --> 0:34:58.960
<v Speaker 2>with this guy. I'm not really sure why. It's interesting,

0:34:59.040 --> 0:35:01.760
<v Speaker 2>Like even the absurd he does have kind of its roots.

0:35:01.880 --> 0:35:05.200
<v Speaker 2>And you can see some of these this like everybody

0:35:05.480 --> 0:35:09.080
<v Speaker 2>is programmed, like saying the same script or whatever, like

0:35:09.200 --> 0:35:12.920
<v Speaker 2>they're the Like that's why these interactions seem weird to me,

0:35:13.239 --> 0:35:15.320
<v Speaker 2>is that like, this isn't real people talking to me.

0:35:15.400 --> 0:35:17.319
<v Speaker 2>These are people reading from a script. It's all. Yeah,

0:35:17.360 --> 0:35:18.880
<v Speaker 2>you can kind of tie it all back to some

0:35:19.000 --> 0:35:21.360
<v Speaker 2>of the delusional thinking I want cities.

0:35:21.400 --> 0:35:22.880
<v Speaker 3>Are these like lawless zones?

0:35:23.160 --> 0:35:26.320
<v Speaker 2>Yes, yes, there's bandits on the road and people just

0:35:26.400 --> 0:35:30.239
<v Speaker 2>getting machine gunned in there in their restaurants. Yeah, so

0:35:30.360 --> 0:35:32.920
<v Speaker 2>this book ends. One of the last chapters about this

0:35:33.080 --> 0:35:36.280
<v Speaker 2>is the FBI and the CIA electrocuting Buster and asking

0:35:36.360 --> 0:35:38.640
<v Speaker 2>him questions. They're making him specifically, they want him to

0:35:38.680 --> 0:35:42.040
<v Speaker 2>tell them their sins, right, because he's the second Messiah,

0:35:42.360 --> 0:35:45.280
<v Speaker 2>because he's the second Messiah, so one of the masks,

0:35:45.320 --> 0:35:48.120
<v Speaker 2>and they seem to know everything about his entire life, right,

0:35:48.320 --> 0:35:50.720
<v Speaker 2>which is again kind of ties back to the delusion.

0:35:50.760 --> 0:35:52.319
<v Speaker 2>So one of them is like, what about the time

0:35:52.360 --> 0:35:54.200
<v Speaker 2>you were drunken through a punching a guy who wasn't

0:35:54.200 --> 0:35:57.040
<v Speaker 2>looking during a group fight in college? Not really sure

0:35:57.080 --> 0:35:59.319
<v Speaker 2>what a group fight in college is, but we can

0:35:59.400 --> 0:36:02.560
<v Speaker 2>move right past that. What about all the cigarettes you've smoked,

0:36:02.600 --> 0:36:04.680
<v Speaker 2>an acid you've taken, and mushrooms in ecstasy and all

0:36:04.719 --> 0:36:06.520
<v Speaker 2>the other drugs you did. I only did them a

0:36:06.560 --> 0:36:08.960
<v Speaker 2>couple of times. It's not like I'm an addict. Still

0:36:09.040 --> 0:36:11.560
<v Speaker 2>serious damage to the body and putting your life at risk.

0:36:11.920 --> 0:36:14.200
<v Speaker 2>CIA is very concerned about his overall health.

0:36:14.560 --> 0:36:18.799
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, the CIA famously on the edge about us things

0:36:18.840 --> 0:36:19.440
<v Speaker 3>like at Las.

0:36:19.760 --> 0:36:22.239
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. So this goes on for a while and then

0:36:22.440 --> 0:36:25.439
<v Speaker 2>the CIA agent leaves and FBI agents put him into

0:36:25.440 --> 0:36:28.239
<v Speaker 2>a black suv and drive him to Andrews Air Force Base.

0:36:28.560 --> 0:36:31.160
<v Speaker 2>The FBI agents wheeled Buster onto an Air Force one

0:36:31.360 --> 0:36:34.719
<v Speaker 2>and Air Force one jet also air force is one word,

0:36:35.239 --> 0:36:37.440
<v Speaker 2>and got on board with him. Then the jet took off.

0:36:37.680 --> 0:36:40.080
<v Speaker 2>By the time the jet landed in Moscow, Russia, Buster

0:36:40.239 --> 0:36:42.640
<v Speaker 2>no longer shook constantly, but every once in a while

0:36:42.719 --> 0:36:45.160
<v Speaker 2>he had a full body jerk. The FBI agents wheeled

0:36:45.239 --> 0:36:47.920
<v Speaker 2>him off the plane. Two Russian FSB agents waited on

0:36:47.960 --> 0:36:50.400
<v Speaker 2>the bottom of the ramp. The FBI agents nodded to

0:36:50.400 --> 0:36:53.920
<v Speaker 2>the FSB agents, who nodded back. Then the FBI agents

0:36:53.960 --> 0:36:56.600
<v Speaker 2>got back on board the jet. The FSB agents wheeled

0:36:56.640 --> 0:36:59.240
<v Speaker 2>Buster to a black rectangular suv and put him inside.

0:36:59.480 --> 0:37:01.719
<v Speaker 2>Then they drove to the Krimlin. Buster sat in a

0:37:01.760 --> 0:37:04.560
<v Speaker 2>wheelchair In the Krimlin. He was motionless, stared off into

0:37:04.560 --> 0:37:07.200
<v Speaker 2>the distance at nothing, and his jaw hung. Suddenly his

0:37:07.440 --> 0:37:09.640
<v Speaker 2>entire body jerked, then he went back to being still.

0:37:10.000 --> 0:37:13.160
<v Speaker 2>The President of Russia walked up to Buster. King Moon

0:37:13.520 --> 0:37:16.080
<v Speaker 2>there is an uprising for more food in several parts

0:37:16.120 --> 0:37:20.760
<v Speaker 2>of Southeast Asia. The President of Russia said, Gohea. Buster chuckled,

0:37:21.080 --> 0:37:24.360
<v Speaker 2>but do you recommend Zig Global Communist Confederation. Due to

0:37:24.440 --> 0:37:27.960
<v Speaker 2>your majesty, The President of Russia said, go he he.

0:37:28.280 --> 0:37:32.239
<v Speaker 2>Buster chuckled. Buster stared off into the distance. Sill genocide.

0:37:32.320 --> 0:37:35.239
<v Speaker 2>The President of Russia said, yeah, heh, I love that.

0:37:35.640 --> 0:37:38.439
<v Speaker 2>Buster smiled. The President of Russia turned around to face

0:37:38.520 --> 0:37:41.560
<v Speaker 2>representatives from countries all over the world. Kills them all.

0:37:41.920 --> 0:37:44.480
<v Speaker 2>Orders directly from ze King of Earth, the President of

0:37:44.560 --> 0:37:47.640
<v Speaker 2>Russia said. Fighters, jets and bombers from the United Global

0:37:47.719 --> 0:37:51.200
<v Speaker 2>Force of China, Russia, America, and Europe flew over Southeast Asia,

0:37:51.320 --> 0:37:54.400
<v Speaker 2>dropping bombs on every country, destroying every main city, burning

0:37:54.440 --> 0:37:57.160
<v Speaker 2>forests and villages, and killing hundreds of millions of people.

0:37:57.680 --> 0:37:58.920
<v Speaker 2>And that's how the book ends.

0:38:01.560 --> 0:38:05.239
<v Speaker 3>So I am fascinated about this middle chunk where he's

0:38:06.160 --> 0:38:09.360
<v Speaker 3>where he goes to Colorado and uncovers a satanic conspiracy

0:38:09.400 --> 0:38:14.040
<v Speaker 3>involving the Democratic Party. But that end bit kind of

0:38:14.080 --> 0:38:17.680
<v Speaker 3>got me thinking about there was all of these like

0:38:17.920 --> 0:38:21.600
<v Speaker 3>like all these like artistic things he was doing that

0:38:21.800 --> 0:38:24.480
<v Speaker 3>was almost preparing himself to do an acti violence against

0:38:24.560 --> 0:38:27.040
<v Speaker 3>a family member. But as much as that was the

0:38:27.120 --> 0:38:29.000
<v Speaker 3>future he was building for himself. You also mentioned that

0:38:29.040 --> 0:38:31.920
<v Speaker 3>he was being transported around by the FBI, and like,

0:38:32.280 --> 0:38:34.920
<v Speaker 3>I wonder how much that was a part of the

0:38:35.000 --> 0:38:37.759
<v Speaker 3>future he was building for himself. Like now that he's

0:38:38.360 --> 0:38:41.240
<v Speaker 3>arrested at a National Guard base, he's now being taken

0:38:41.600 --> 0:38:44.520
<v Speaker 3>from place to place by government officials. He's constantly now

0:38:44.560 --> 0:38:48.440
<v Speaker 3>surrounded by Feds, like he has he has built the

0:38:48.600 --> 0:38:51.640
<v Speaker 3>reality for himself that now he is actually always watched

0:38:51.680 --> 0:38:53.840
<v Speaker 3>by the government because he's been arrested for doing this

0:38:53.920 --> 0:38:57.160
<v Speaker 3>things like he is. He has created this fantasy world

0:38:57.360 --> 0:38:59.800
<v Speaker 3>that he can now live in forever. Yeah, whether he

0:38:59.840 --> 0:39:03.440
<v Speaker 3>goes to trial, he's probably gonna I if his defense

0:39:03.520 --> 0:39:05.759
<v Speaker 3>is smart, they'll do some sort of insanity defense. He'll

0:39:05.800 --> 0:39:08.040
<v Speaker 3>be sent to a psychiatric place. Like he's now always

0:39:08.080 --> 0:39:11.000
<v Speaker 3>going to be watched, he is being moved around by

0:39:11.160 --> 0:39:14.759
<v Speaker 3>government agents, like he is living the thing that he

0:39:15.000 --> 0:39:18.439
<v Speaker 3>was writing about. And I find that that second half

0:39:18.600 --> 0:39:22.000
<v Speaker 3>of like him being caught also a compelling like a

0:39:22.080 --> 0:39:24.480
<v Speaker 3>compelling thing that he was preparing himself for.

0:39:25.480 --> 0:39:29.160
<v Speaker 2>And it I mean he is he expresses repeatedly variations

0:39:29.160 --> 0:39:31.680
<v Speaker 2>of like because the FBI and the CIA are constantly

0:39:31.800 --> 0:39:34.680
<v Speaker 2>in this book, and also like constantly just like people

0:39:34.880 --> 0:39:38.879
<v Speaker 2>coming into his life around him, which again is part

0:39:38.920 --> 0:39:41.480
<v Speaker 2>of this delusion. But also you can see how a

0:39:41.560 --> 0:39:45.040
<v Speaker 2>lot of these common right wing tropes about like everything

0:39:45.160 --> 0:39:48.240
<v Speaker 2>is infiltrated by the Feds January sixth with the Federal

0:39:48.320 --> 0:39:50.160
<v Speaker 2>op and stuff. How this is also going to feed

0:39:50.239 --> 0:39:53.560
<v Speaker 2>into the delusions of a guy like this, right, like

0:39:53.640 --> 0:39:56.960
<v Speaker 2>he's very much this is very much ripped from the headlines,

0:39:57.080 --> 0:39:59.800
<v Speaker 2>and that you can see how things he was encounter

0:40:00.320 --> 0:40:04.960
<v Speaker 2>and like conspiracy culture and popular media grafted themselves on

0:40:05.160 --> 0:40:08.160
<v Speaker 2>to the delusions that he had. Yeah, you can also

0:40:08.280 --> 0:40:11.080
<v Speaker 2>see I turned randomly to a page I haven't gotten

0:40:11.120 --> 0:40:13.439
<v Speaker 2>to yet in this book two sixty and the first

0:40:13.520 --> 0:40:15.279
<v Speaker 2>line I saw in the middle of the page is,

0:40:15.719 --> 0:40:18.000
<v Speaker 2>let's fucking kill them and then eat them a midget

0:40:18.040 --> 0:40:20.000
<v Speaker 2>and a wheelchair, yelled, holding an RPG.

0:40:20.640 --> 0:40:25.839
<v Speaker 3>So there's quite a lot in this book, All right, Well,

0:40:26.600 --> 0:40:28.000
<v Speaker 3>well then I don't know.

0:40:28.040 --> 0:40:30.120
<v Speaker 2>What the line of good taste and is, Like I

0:40:30.160 --> 0:40:33.000
<v Speaker 2>think it's I don't think we'll keep going back to this.

0:40:33.200 --> 0:40:34.920
<v Speaker 2>I felt justified and like, well, I want to know

0:40:35.000 --> 0:40:37.759
<v Speaker 2>what's in this thing once. It seems kind of bad

0:40:37.880 --> 0:40:41.359
<v Speaker 2>to keep doing that with this guy who murdered people's book.

0:40:41.440 --> 0:40:43.359
<v Speaker 2>But man, there's a lot in here.

0:40:43.840 --> 0:40:46.640
<v Speaker 3>Oh, and there is a use in understanding how these

0:40:46.680 --> 0:40:53.520
<v Speaker 3>people think and unpacking the sorts of large, large swaths

0:40:53.560 --> 0:40:57.040
<v Speaker 3>of content that people that are doing these mass acts

0:40:57.080 --> 0:40:59.400
<v Speaker 3>of violence or very targeted acts of violence have been

0:40:59.480 --> 0:41:02.800
<v Speaker 3>leaving online because it allows you to actually get a

0:41:02.880 --> 0:41:07.480
<v Speaker 3>better look at overarching patterns. Specifically, his songs for me

0:41:07.560 --> 0:41:10.560
<v Speaker 3>are are very very evident of that. Yeah, Like they're

0:41:10.680 --> 0:41:12.320
<v Speaker 3>very similar to a lot of stuff you were you

0:41:12.400 --> 0:41:15.919
<v Speaker 3>were reading the book, like he has the The song

0:41:15.960 --> 0:41:17.920
<v Speaker 3>about him being tracked on his phone is called they

0:41:18.000 --> 0:41:21.600
<v Speaker 3>came for Justin Moan. Yeah, they found him all alone,

0:41:22.560 --> 0:41:25.320
<v Speaker 3>they tracked him on his phone. He talks about the

0:41:25.840 --> 0:41:28.440
<v Speaker 3>student loans that he couldn't pay off, the payments made

0:41:28.520 --> 0:41:31.680
<v Speaker 3>him grown, money controlled his life. They wanted him to

0:41:31.880 --> 0:41:35.360
<v Speaker 3>die just like this, all all of just all this stuff.

0:41:36.120 --> 0:41:41.760
<v Speaker 3>They said he was God. They came for Justin Moan. Yeah. Anyway,

0:41:41.880 --> 0:41:44.959
<v Speaker 3>it's it's it's it's it's it's not to like laugh

0:41:45.080 --> 0:41:49.560
<v Speaker 3>at him necessarily, it's it's about actually understanding this and yeah,

0:41:49.600 --> 0:41:51.320
<v Speaker 3>this is all fucked up. So a part of a

0:41:51.360 --> 0:41:53.440
<v Speaker 3>coping mechanism is kind of laughing at some of the

0:41:53.520 --> 0:41:57.360
<v Speaker 3>more ridiculous elements, but it's it is. It is an

0:41:57.400 --> 0:42:01.600
<v Speaker 3>attempt to actually understand this, this growing trend in American culture.

0:42:02.120 --> 0:42:05.360
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, because you can't just like and this is the

0:42:05.440 --> 0:42:08.719
<v Speaker 2>thing that the right often once it wants to do

0:42:08.840 --> 0:42:10.600
<v Speaker 2>with this, is like, well, this is just a mental

0:42:10.640 --> 0:42:13.719
<v Speaker 2>illness problem, and like, no, it's not like you have

0:42:13.880 --> 0:42:18.360
<v Speaker 2>to understand it's American culture. Yeah, what's going into people's heads,

0:42:18.520 --> 0:42:22.239
<v Speaker 2>even if they also have, you know, are mentally ill,

0:42:22.320 --> 0:42:25.279
<v Speaker 2>what's going into their heads what they believe about the

0:42:25.360 --> 0:42:28.840
<v Speaker 2>world influences how they act on those delusions and the

0:42:29.000 --> 0:42:30.320
<v Speaker 2>nature of those delusions.

0:42:30.680 --> 0:42:33.160
<v Speaker 3>This is what happens to your brain when it entirely

0:42:33.239 --> 0:42:36.239
<v Speaker 3>becomes corrupted by the culture of war like this is.

0:42:36.360 --> 0:42:39.400
<v Speaker 3>This has now taken over his entire method of thinking.

0:42:39.920 --> 0:42:41.839
<v Speaker 3>This is the only way you can see the world.

0:42:42.200 --> 0:42:44.640
<v Speaker 3>And there's people who are paid to get people to

0:42:44.800 --> 0:42:46.680
<v Speaker 3>be like this, like this is this is people's whole

0:42:46.760 --> 0:42:49.879
<v Speaker 3>job is to get more and more people to only

0:42:50.000 --> 0:42:53.320
<v Speaker 3>think in these terms. Yeah, and this is one of

0:42:53.400 --> 0:42:56.200
<v Speaker 3>the results of that, of that effort by elements of

0:42:56.239 --> 0:42:56.920
<v Speaker 3>the American right.

0:42:57.600 --> 0:43:02.959
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, anyway, it's bad.

0:43:03.480 --> 0:43:07.239
<v Speaker 3>That'll be a good book to explain to a young

0:43:07.400 --> 0:43:11.640
<v Speaker 3>child in fifty years. Why why is this on your bookshelf. Well,

0:43:12.280 --> 0:43:14.680
<v Speaker 3>let me tell you they've just in mode.

0:43:14.920 --> 0:43:16.759
<v Speaker 2>If I ever have a kid, Garrison, this will be

0:43:16.840 --> 0:43:17.839
<v Speaker 2>the first book they rate.

0:43:17.960 --> 0:43:20.400
<v Speaker 3>Nobody.

0:43:21.440 --> 0:43:24.960
<v Speaker 2>Well, let's uh, let's be done, Let's let's go away, goodbye.

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