1 00:00:01,800 --> 00:00:05,200 Speaker 1: Al Zone Media. 2 00:00:08,880 --> 00:00:13,840 Speaker 2: Oh, welcome back to podcast Man Sad, Bad People, the 3 00:00:13,920 --> 00:00:17,840 Speaker 2: podcast about bad people that make the podcast Man Sad. 4 00:00:18,120 --> 00:00:21,400 Speaker 2: I'm the podcast man Robert Evans, and my co host 5 00:00:21,440 --> 00:00:25,040 Speaker 2: today is our friend Garrison Davis. Garrison, how are you 6 00:00:25,120 --> 00:00:29,840 Speaker 2: doing good? I thought it was one of my better intros. 7 00:00:30,000 --> 00:00:34,440 Speaker 3: It was unfortunately quite good for a topic about it's 8 00:00:34,440 --> 00:00:35,800 Speaker 3: absoitely deranged shit. 9 00:00:35,960 --> 00:00:39,599 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, so obviously. This is part two of our 10 00:00:39,640 --> 00:00:44,560 Speaker 2: series on Justin Mohane, the author of our first politically 11 00:00:44,600 --> 00:00:47,200 Speaker 2: Motivated author, first. 12 00:00:48,360 --> 00:00:52,160 Speaker 3: Just author better known for his other work. 13 00:00:52,520 --> 00:00:55,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think people should know that when you make 14 00:00:55,320 --> 00:00:57,480 Speaker 2: that joke, as you did the other week on Behind 15 00:00:57,520 --> 00:01:01,920 Speaker 2: the Bastards Too, you are referring to a mathematics paper 16 00:01:02,000 --> 00:01:07,640 Speaker 2: that cites the Unibomber's other published mathematic theories. Is like 17 00:01:08,200 --> 00:01:11,319 Speaker 2: better known for his other work mailing bombs to people. 18 00:01:11,560 --> 00:01:12,480 Speaker 3: Oh pretty funny. 19 00:01:12,760 --> 00:01:17,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, And like the unabomber, Justin Mohen is deeply accomplished, 20 00:01:17,560 --> 00:01:19,240 Speaker 2: as in all, he's written more books than I have. 21 00:01:21,600 --> 00:01:24,800 Speaker 3: Well, yes, that is true. I'm not sure if you 22 00:01:24,800 --> 00:01:27,000 Speaker 3: want to be writing the types of books that Justin is, 23 00:01:27,040 --> 00:01:28,480 Speaker 3: but yeah. 24 00:01:27,959 --> 00:01:30,400 Speaker 2: No, but he did write them, and you get credit 25 00:01:30,440 --> 00:01:33,200 Speaker 2: for that su sure. So this was, as you stated 26 00:01:33,319 --> 00:01:37,920 Speaker 2: last episode published in twenty twenty. And I need to 27 00:01:38,080 --> 00:01:40,800 Speaker 2: start with the cover of this thing because it's it's 28 00:01:40,840 --> 00:01:41,880 Speaker 2: something else we see. 29 00:01:42,280 --> 00:01:43,240 Speaker 3: It's not a good cover. 30 00:01:44,200 --> 00:01:47,960 Speaker 2: No, it is taken. He appears to have taken it 31 00:01:49,240 --> 00:01:51,680 Speaker 2: or someone else took it from of him very close 32 00:01:51,760 --> 00:01:54,760 Speaker 2: up at a rest stop. And this is relevant because 33 00:01:54,840 --> 00:01:58,400 Speaker 2: rest stops play a critical critical role in some of 34 00:01:58,440 --> 00:02:00,840 Speaker 2: his beliefs about the world and some of his theories 35 00:02:00,840 --> 00:02:03,760 Speaker 2: about things that have happened to us. Yes, rest stops 36 00:02:03,800 --> 00:02:07,720 Speaker 2: are happening places for Justin Mohan. Okay, he is looking 37 00:02:07,760 --> 00:02:10,160 Speaker 2: behind him, he's like slightly disheveled. He's got like his 38 00:02:10,240 --> 00:02:14,520 Speaker 2: shirt open weirdly down like a button further than. 39 00:02:14,560 --> 00:02:16,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm basically gang Stocking vibes here. 40 00:02:17,080 --> 00:02:19,959 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's very much Again, we'll explain gang Stocking in 41 00:02:20,000 --> 00:02:22,359 Speaker 2: a second. But the pictures him, he's like looking behind 42 00:02:22,400 --> 00:02:25,560 Speaker 2: his shoulder. There's like two big lights behind him in 43 00:02:25,639 --> 00:02:28,440 Speaker 2: the distance in this photo, clearly taking at a rest stop. 44 00:02:28,720 --> 00:02:31,520 Speaker 2: And then there are like cartoon text bubbles over his 45 00:02:31,639 --> 00:02:34,760 Speaker 2: shoulder next to the lights that say get his picture, Hey, 46 00:02:34,919 --> 00:02:38,720 Speaker 2: there he is, And then like cartoon action bubbles that say, 47 00:02:38,760 --> 00:02:40,840 Speaker 2: snap snap, that I think are supposed to represent people 48 00:02:40,840 --> 00:02:42,000 Speaker 2: taking photos taking pictures. 49 00:02:42,080 --> 00:02:43,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, okay this. 50 00:02:43,880 --> 00:02:45,600 Speaker 2: As soon as I saw this, I had the same 51 00:02:45,639 --> 00:02:47,080 Speaker 2: reaction you had, which is like, oh, this is some 52 00:02:47,120 --> 00:02:50,160 Speaker 2: gang stocking shit, And if you're not aware of gang stocking, 53 00:02:50,280 --> 00:02:56,000 Speaker 2: gang stocking is kind of an er web two point 54 00:02:56,120 --> 00:03:01,120 Speaker 2: zero conspiratorial belief system. I don't know the conspiracy theory 55 00:03:01,160 --> 00:03:02,960 Speaker 2: is even really the right way to frame it. Gang 56 00:03:03,040 --> 00:03:05,600 Speaker 2: Stalking is people who have I think these are generally 57 00:03:05,639 --> 00:03:08,640 Speaker 2: people with schizophrenia, and one of the things that you 58 00:03:08,720 --> 00:03:11,840 Speaker 2: can experience with schizophrenia is both this kind of overwhelming 59 00:03:11,880 --> 00:03:16,079 Speaker 2: sense of paranoia and also the stereotypical hearing voices right, 60 00:03:17,400 --> 00:03:20,679 Speaker 2: and some people become convinced that they are being followed. 61 00:03:20,960 --> 00:03:23,120 Speaker 2: You know, this is something that has happened probably as 62 00:03:23,160 --> 00:03:25,840 Speaker 2: long as it has existed, that they are being tracked, 63 00:03:25,840 --> 00:03:27,720 Speaker 2: that they are people who are listening in on their thoughts. 64 00:03:27,919 --> 00:03:31,919 Speaker 2: You hear variations of it. With the Internet and digital communities, 65 00:03:31,960 --> 00:03:37,280 Speaker 2: a chunk of people experiencing this started forming communities online, 66 00:03:37,320 --> 00:03:39,320 Speaker 2: and I don't know the exact I don't know of 67 00:03:39,400 --> 00:03:42,960 Speaker 2: anyone has sort of like sketched out how this happened 68 00:03:43,040 --> 00:03:46,440 Speaker 2: in time, but the belief they ended up at is 69 00:03:46,440 --> 00:03:49,880 Speaker 2: that certain people are what are called targeted individuals within 70 00:03:49,920 --> 00:03:53,200 Speaker 2: the community, and those people are being stalked at all 71 00:03:53,240 --> 00:03:57,720 Speaker 2: times by large numbers of generally government spies. Now when 72 00:03:57,720 --> 00:04:00,680 Speaker 2: I say government spies, they are not in like a 73 00:04:00,760 --> 00:04:04,080 Speaker 2: James Bond type operator. They believe these are the regular 74 00:04:04,120 --> 00:04:07,560 Speaker 2: people in the street around them, like people in their neighborhood. 75 00:04:07,560 --> 00:04:10,280 Speaker 2: Their neighbors are all spies and are all stalking them 76 00:04:10,280 --> 00:04:13,120 Speaker 2: all the time. And you can watch hours of videos. 77 00:04:13,120 --> 00:04:15,560 Speaker 2: These people will often film eight hours of their life 78 00:04:15,560 --> 00:04:17,680 Speaker 2: at a stretch, and you can see them just like 79 00:04:18,080 --> 00:04:21,240 Speaker 2: angrily shouting at their window at like some dude walking 80 00:04:21,279 --> 00:04:23,120 Speaker 2: past their house or whatever, or like a car be 81 00:04:23,120 --> 00:04:25,359 Speaker 2: like see that blue cars past three times, and that 82 00:04:25,360 --> 00:04:28,159 Speaker 2: wouldn't happen if this wasn't like that. And it's so 83 00:04:29,400 --> 00:04:32,360 Speaker 2: one of the things that like one of the reasons 84 00:04:32,400 --> 00:04:35,520 Speaker 2: that gang stalking is kind of interesting and valuable to 85 00:04:35,560 --> 00:04:37,520 Speaker 2: study if you're interested in like how we got to 86 00:04:37,640 --> 00:04:41,000 Speaker 2: our present moment of like reality collapse in the United States, 87 00:04:41,080 --> 00:04:43,800 Speaker 2: is that this is an example of kind of feelings 88 00:04:43,839 --> 00:04:46,719 Speaker 2: that have been associated with certain mental illnesses. I'm not 89 00:04:46,720 --> 00:04:50,360 Speaker 2: gonna say it's just schizophrena, but certain mental illnesses bring 90 00:04:50,400 --> 00:04:52,760 Speaker 2: about severe bouts of paranoia and a feeling that you 91 00:04:52,839 --> 00:04:55,040 Speaker 2: are being stalked, right, or people who are listening in 92 00:04:55,080 --> 00:04:58,919 Speaker 2: on your thoughts or whatever. Because of the way digital 93 00:04:58,920 --> 00:05:02,440 Speaker 2: communities work, of people experiencing this were able to not 94 00:05:02,600 --> 00:05:05,920 Speaker 2: just get together and share their experiences, but convince each 95 00:05:05,920 --> 00:05:08,200 Speaker 2: other that they were not the result of an illness 96 00:05:08,200 --> 00:05:10,120 Speaker 2: and are in fact the result of a conspiracy. And 97 00:05:10,160 --> 00:05:13,320 Speaker 2: they have now built a mythos around that conspiracy, and 98 00:05:13,360 --> 00:05:15,960 Speaker 2: it has led to killings before. People have killed folks 99 00:05:16,040 --> 00:05:18,960 Speaker 2: they believed were stalking them over gang stocking delusions. It's 100 00:05:19,000 --> 00:05:21,479 Speaker 2: been happening for years. So yeah, that was the first 101 00:05:21,480 --> 00:05:23,280 Speaker 2: thing that occurred to me when I saw this cover. 102 00:05:23,440 --> 00:05:26,440 Speaker 2: And you can find other art that Moan put out 103 00:05:26,480 --> 00:05:28,839 Speaker 2: where it's like real pictures of him and then fake 104 00:05:29,000 --> 00:05:33,440 Speaker 2: art of like ghostly figures stalking him with cameras and stuff. Yeah. 105 00:05:34,640 --> 00:05:36,800 Speaker 3: A few months before he released his book, he put 106 00:05:36,839 --> 00:05:40,400 Speaker 3: out a song on Spotify called The Justin's Stalkers about 107 00:05:40,400 --> 00:05:41,159 Speaker 3: being gang stocked. 108 00:05:41,720 --> 00:05:46,559 Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, and again, gangstock is not a political conspiracy theory. 109 00:05:46,640 --> 00:05:48,839 Speaker 2: Other than that you have to believe the government's evil, 110 00:05:48,880 --> 00:05:51,120 Speaker 2: but don't we all right, So it's very accessible. 111 00:05:51,480 --> 00:05:55,800 Speaker 3: There's certain gangstocking people who think they're like the Freemasons 112 00:05:55,800 --> 00:05:57,800 Speaker 3: are stocking mere like the Illuminatis stocking. 113 00:05:57,960 --> 00:06:01,640 Speaker 2: It's like random fantifa, you know, a shopper. Yeah, shit 114 00:06:01,760 --> 00:06:04,200 Speaker 2: gets grafted on as a result of politics, but it 115 00:06:04,200 --> 00:06:06,480 Speaker 2: did not inherently start as something that was like a 116 00:06:06,480 --> 00:06:09,360 Speaker 2: political thing, just kind of out of this very ex 117 00:06:09,400 --> 00:06:12,440 Speaker 2: filesy because the nineties is really when this starts to form, 118 00:06:12,520 --> 00:06:14,080 Speaker 2: I think late nineties. 119 00:06:13,720 --> 00:06:16,599 Speaker 3: And it's spread like wildfire are on, Like early Internet culture, 120 00:06:16,640 --> 00:06:19,320 Speaker 3: people were able to convince each other or like yeah 121 00:06:19,440 --> 00:06:23,120 Speaker 3: have have there alreadies like a small delusion be strengthened 122 00:06:23,160 --> 00:06:25,720 Speaker 3: and grown stronger by other people in this community, all 123 00:06:25,800 --> 00:06:27,360 Speaker 3: kind of encouraging each other. 124 00:06:27,760 --> 00:06:29,640 Speaker 2: And I think it's relevant too that it's kind of 125 00:06:29,640 --> 00:06:32,200 Speaker 2: a Web two point zero, early Web two point zero phenomenon, 126 00:06:32,200 --> 00:06:35,200 Speaker 2: because I don't think you get the same thing, and 127 00:06:35,240 --> 00:06:36,480 Speaker 2: I'm not going to say that what you would get 128 00:06:36,520 --> 00:06:39,600 Speaker 2: would be any healthier, but from the social media, because 129 00:06:39,600 --> 00:06:43,359 Speaker 2: the way most social media works is everyone's kind of 130 00:06:43,360 --> 00:06:45,919 Speaker 2: in a big pit together, and this was really the 131 00:06:45,960 --> 00:06:48,680 Speaker 2: result of a a kind of community that was closed 132 00:06:48,760 --> 00:06:51,600 Speaker 2: to outsiders that wasn't really being watched by people who 133 00:06:51,640 --> 00:06:55,200 Speaker 2: weren't drawn to it. Building a culture and people like really, 134 00:06:55,240 --> 00:06:58,719 Speaker 2: it takes a lot of time for that to happen. Obviously, 135 00:06:58,760 --> 00:07:01,080 Speaker 2: YouTube is also a big place where this has grown, 136 00:07:01,120 --> 00:07:03,719 Speaker 2: but I think after it had its roots established, that 137 00:07:03,839 --> 00:07:05,159 Speaker 2: was a bit of a diggression. But I think it 138 00:07:05,200 --> 00:07:08,240 Speaker 2: is kind of necessary because this is definitely that is 139 00:07:08,279 --> 00:07:11,080 Speaker 2: definitely where Justin comes out of. You know, like that 140 00:07:11,200 --> 00:07:13,160 Speaker 2: is very clear to me. All of this is kind 141 00:07:13,160 --> 00:07:16,280 Speaker 2: of rooted fundamentally in gang stalking. I think that's like 142 00:07:16,400 --> 00:07:21,120 Speaker 2: the foundational keystone belief in what has become his like 143 00:07:21,160 --> 00:07:25,680 Speaker 2: conspiratorial milieu. So into the book itself. The first page, 144 00:07:25,720 --> 00:07:28,560 Speaker 2: after the page that lets us all know Kindle Direct 145 00:07:28,560 --> 00:07:31,520 Speaker 2: Publishing is responsible for this thing, says. 146 00:07:31,400 --> 00:07:35,800 Speaker 3: This book Kindles Rye Publishing. Thanks Amazon the best place 147 00:07:35,840 --> 00:07:39,280 Speaker 3: to find all of the wild extremist books. Otherwise, never 148 00:07:39,520 --> 00:07:40,160 Speaker 3: never make. 149 00:07:40,400 --> 00:07:43,400 Speaker 2: They've really done us all a solid. This book is 150 00:07:43,440 --> 00:07:46,000 Speaker 2: dedicated to those who know who the real enemy is 151 00:07:46,040 --> 00:07:49,600 Speaker 2: and can still laugh even in the worst situations. Hope, 152 00:07:50,080 --> 00:07:52,600 Speaker 2: I don't know what I have that describes me. Yeah, 153 00:07:53,120 --> 00:07:57,000 Speaker 2: it's great. So there are ten chapters in this thing. 154 00:07:57,240 --> 00:08:00,480 Speaker 2: They are long chapters. Chapter one is thirty two pages, 155 00:08:00,800 --> 00:08:05,280 Speaker 2: Chapter two is almost sixty pages, Jesus, Chapter three is 156 00:08:05,280 --> 00:08:08,800 Speaker 2: like another sixty pages, like fifty pages for five. Yeah, 157 00:08:08,840 --> 00:08:11,960 Speaker 2: these are like long, long chapters. And yeah, it's about 158 00:08:11,960 --> 00:08:13,360 Speaker 2: four hundred and fifty pages. 159 00:08:13,640 --> 00:08:14,040 Speaker 3: Wow. 160 00:08:14,080 --> 00:08:17,680 Speaker 2: So chapter one opens and I'm just gonna read you 161 00:08:18,080 --> 00:08:20,400 Speaker 2: actually a decent little chunk here. So it starts with 162 00:08:20,440 --> 00:08:23,720 Speaker 2: like him talking to his parents. But why leave, Buster, 163 00:08:23,920 --> 00:08:27,560 Speaker 2: You're a hometown hero, Missus Moon said. Missus Moon, in 164 00:08:27,560 --> 00:08:29,960 Speaker 2: her late fifties, paced back and forth on the hardwood 165 00:08:29,960 --> 00:08:33,120 Speaker 2: floor of the living room. Yeah, Buster, you're popular, You 166 00:08:33,160 --> 00:08:34,959 Speaker 2: were at the top of your class in high school, 167 00:08:35,000 --> 00:08:37,200 Speaker 2: you were a star athlete. You could end up mayor 168 00:08:37,240 --> 00:08:39,960 Speaker 2: of this town someday. Why don't you stay around here 169 00:08:40,000 --> 00:08:42,480 Speaker 2: where everyone knows you and see what happens. You'll have 170 00:08:42,520 --> 00:08:46,160 Speaker 2: to start a new elsewhere, mister Moon said. And obviously, 171 00:08:46,440 --> 00:08:51,520 Speaker 2: Buster Moon is are the actual Justin Mohan And we're 172 00:08:51,520 --> 00:08:53,480 Speaker 2: talking about his parents when we talk about mister Moon, 173 00:08:53,880 --> 00:08:56,040 Speaker 2: this is his dad who he murdered in beheaded. Just 174 00:08:56,120 --> 00:08:58,760 Speaker 2: you know, keep that in mind. Mister Moon, in his 175 00:08:58,840 --> 00:09:00,959 Speaker 2: early sixties, sat on a couch in the living room 176 00:09:01,000 --> 00:09:03,640 Speaker 2: watching television. A black and white episode of the Twilight 177 00:09:03,720 --> 00:09:06,440 Speaker 2: Zone was on. The sound on the TV was muted. 178 00:09:07,040 --> 00:09:09,200 Speaker 2: That's the point. I want to start anew I want 179 00:09:09,200 --> 00:09:11,240 Speaker 2: to meet new people, or at least not associate with 180 00:09:11,280 --> 00:09:13,000 Speaker 2: the people I grew up with and went to school 181 00:09:13,000 --> 00:09:15,000 Speaker 2: with my whole life. They're all going nowhere in town, 182 00:09:15,040 --> 00:09:17,480 Speaker 2: and they'll take me down with them. And we get 183 00:09:17,520 --> 00:09:19,559 Speaker 2: a little more of that where like he's talking about 184 00:09:19,559 --> 00:09:21,760 Speaker 2: why he wants he's not happy here, there's no future 185 00:09:21,800 --> 00:09:25,120 Speaker 2: for him. What's interesting to me is why he depicts. 186 00:09:25,640 --> 00:09:27,840 Speaker 2: And we don't know that this is accurate to his 187 00:09:27,880 --> 00:09:31,880 Speaker 2: experience with his parents. But also I don't necessarily think 188 00:09:31,920 --> 00:09:34,720 Speaker 2: it is not, because what he depicts his parents as 189 00:09:34,760 --> 00:09:38,560 Speaker 2: saying is he shouldn't do this because it's dangerous. Leaving 190 00:09:38,640 --> 00:09:41,440 Speaker 2: home is dangerous. You can't be safe on your own 191 00:09:41,440 --> 00:09:43,440 Speaker 2: in a new place or in the city, and you 192 00:09:43,480 --> 00:09:47,120 Speaker 2: will inevitably get murdered or have something horrible happen. He 193 00:09:47,160 --> 00:09:50,400 Speaker 2: puts these words in his dad's mouth right after he like, 194 00:09:50,760 --> 00:09:53,040 Speaker 2: first his mom tells him like, you're gonna die if 195 00:09:53,040 --> 00:09:54,719 Speaker 2: you move out, and then he puts this in his 196 00:09:54,800 --> 00:09:58,079 Speaker 2: dad's mouth, Yeah, you're going to get kidnapped, addicted to heroin, 197 00:09:58,120 --> 00:10:00,600 Speaker 2: and sold into a sex trafficking rink. In five years 198 00:10:00,600 --> 00:10:02,559 Speaker 2: from now, we'll find pictures of you bound and gagged 199 00:10:02,600 --> 00:10:05,360 Speaker 2: on some Russian website where you're up for sale. So 200 00:10:05,440 --> 00:10:07,280 Speaker 2: that's his dad, And then his mom adds, why do 201 00:10:07,320 --> 00:10:09,440 Speaker 2: you think your older siblings stayed within Ohio when they 202 00:10:09,480 --> 00:10:12,000 Speaker 2: moved out. It's dangerous out of state without your family. 203 00:10:12,800 --> 00:10:16,480 Speaker 2: So maybe that's just him putting words in their mouth. 204 00:10:16,520 --> 00:10:19,480 Speaker 2: But like, I have heard stuff like that from people. 205 00:10:19,600 --> 00:10:23,840 Speaker 2: That is not an uncommon thing to express, especially among 206 00:10:23,880 --> 00:10:28,280 Speaker 2: conservative families. Cities are dangerous, people are getting human trafficked 207 00:10:28,320 --> 00:10:30,840 Speaker 2: all the time. It's not safe to be out on 208 00:10:30,880 --> 00:10:31,560 Speaker 2: your own. 209 00:10:31,800 --> 00:10:35,280 Speaker 3: And those are some things he talked about in his 210 00:10:35,960 --> 00:10:40,360 Speaker 3: beheading video. And yeah, I know that after he had 211 00:10:40,400 --> 00:10:42,880 Speaker 3: to move back home from Colorado after losing his job, 212 00:10:43,080 --> 00:10:46,040 Speaker 3: he did move back in with his parents in Pennsylvania. Yep, 213 00:10:46,280 --> 00:10:48,880 Speaker 3: he does have an older sister. That just random other 214 00:10:48,880 --> 00:10:51,800 Speaker 3: things I know of his actual personal life and how 215 00:10:51,800 --> 00:10:53,120 Speaker 3: they could maybe tie in. 216 00:10:53,200 --> 00:10:56,200 Speaker 2: But yeah, yeah, yeah, And then you know a little 217 00:10:56,200 --> 00:10:59,320 Speaker 2: bit later, as this argument goes on, there is a 218 00:10:59,320 --> 00:11:01,080 Speaker 2: note where his mom like, maybe it would be for 219 00:11:01,080 --> 00:11:03,200 Speaker 2: the best if we took you to a psychiatrist. Buster, 220 00:11:03,320 --> 00:11:05,760 Speaker 2: you don't seem to be thinking straight interesting unclear to 221 00:11:05,800 --> 00:11:07,320 Speaker 2: me if they did, but I think that does kind 222 00:11:07,360 --> 00:11:10,320 Speaker 2: of suggest that was a thing his parents suggested often. 223 00:11:10,840 --> 00:11:13,439 Speaker 2: And then his dad says, yeah, you're talking crazy, Buster. 224 00:11:13,480 --> 00:11:15,160 Speaker 2: If someone doesn't mug you when you step out of 225 00:11:15,240 --> 00:11:16,920 Speaker 2: the car, you'll end up running out of money and 226 00:11:16,960 --> 00:11:19,600 Speaker 2: being homeless, and then you'll get put in prison for panhandling, 227 00:11:19,640 --> 00:11:22,720 Speaker 2: trespassing or stealing food and ending up making prison love 228 00:11:22,760 --> 00:11:26,400 Speaker 2: to Bubba the Butcher. And that has the feeling of 229 00:11:26,440 --> 00:11:30,640 Speaker 2: something that he heard before. That that's pretty specific, like 230 00:11:31,040 --> 00:11:34,080 Speaker 2: that sounds like something somebody was told and is kind 231 00:11:34,120 --> 00:11:37,040 Speaker 2: of repeating here. You know, I don't know that, but 232 00:11:37,040 --> 00:11:39,520 Speaker 2: that is very much the feel it has. And there's 233 00:11:39,520 --> 00:11:43,120 Speaker 2: a couple other bits where it's like I could see 234 00:11:43,120 --> 00:11:46,439 Speaker 2: this being something you heard from your very conservative family 235 00:11:47,240 --> 00:11:49,280 Speaker 2: or elsewise picked up in the media. Because there's another 236 00:11:49,320 --> 00:11:51,280 Speaker 2: point where his dad is like, you'll be all alone 237 00:11:51,600 --> 00:11:54,480 Speaker 2: and they know exactly how much money you have. It's 238 00:11:54,520 --> 00:11:57,760 Speaker 2: all digital. You can't beat the system. You can't beat 239 00:11:58,120 --> 00:12:02,320 Speaker 2: dot dot dot. And then in as the machine Missus 240 00:12:02,320 --> 00:12:04,839 Speaker 2: moon shot a white eyed glance at mister Moon. Huh, 241 00:12:04,880 --> 00:12:08,400 Speaker 2: what do you mean, Buster said. Mister Moon shook his head. Oh, nothing, 242 00:12:08,480 --> 00:12:11,160 Speaker 2: you'll have to find out for yourself. And then at 243 00:12:11,160 --> 00:12:14,560 Speaker 2: this point a cow screams. That's how he describes the 244 00:12:14,600 --> 00:12:17,840 Speaker 2: cow as screaming. And then their dog barks and they 245 00:12:17,920 --> 00:12:20,880 Speaker 2: all run outside. It's clear that something has gone wrong, 246 00:12:20,920 --> 00:12:23,880 Speaker 2: and mister Moon says, awe hell not again, those cult 247 00:12:23,920 --> 00:12:27,480 Speaker 2: fucking commie bastards. He grabs a shotgun and there they 248 00:12:27,520 --> 00:12:31,319 Speaker 2: find the exxanguinated and skinned corpse of the family cow 249 00:12:31,480 --> 00:12:32,600 Speaker 2: outside in the yard. 250 00:12:33,280 --> 00:12:35,400 Speaker 3: Because they're at like a farm in Ohio, I. 251 00:12:35,559 --> 00:12:38,440 Speaker 2: Believe, Yeah, they're at like the family farm. So he 252 00:12:38,480 --> 00:12:40,959 Speaker 2: thinks at first that this hide is a carpet. Then 253 00:12:41,000 --> 00:12:43,440 Speaker 2: Buster realized the carpet had black and white spots like 254 00:12:43,480 --> 00:12:45,839 Speaker 2: a cow and was hide material. The cow had been 255 00:12:45,880 --> 00:12:49,079 Speaker 2: completely exsanguinated, as the livestock industry would call an animal 256 00:12:49,160 --> 00:12:51,640 Speaker 2: drained of blood. The cow's eyes were missing, the bones 257 00:12:51,679 --> 00:12:54,040 Speaker 2: were strewn in a perfect circle around the cowhide in 258 00:12:54,080 --> 00:12:57,440 Speaker 2: an almost ritualistic or ceremonial manner, with a skull at 259 00:12:57,440 --> 00:12:59,079 Speaker 2: the top of the circle. Will twelve would be on 260 00:12:59,160 --> 00:13:01,719 Speaker 2: a clock about the same time it was then there 261 00:13:01,760 --> 00:13:05,199 Speaker 2: was not one drop of blood near the scene. Huh. Now, 262 00:13:05,200 --> 00:13:07,200 Speaker 2: when I brought up X files earlier, that's kind of why, 263 00:13:07,240 --> 00:13:08,920 Speaker 2: because that's X files stuff. 264 00:13:09,000 --> 00:13:11,600 Speaker 3: That's a very X files opening. Yeah, the Twilight Zone 265 00:13:11,679 --> 00:13:14,640 Speaker 3: was playing on the TV in the room in the scene. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 266 00:13:14,679 --> 00:13:17,079 Speaker 2: And this is obviously, by the way, if you listen 267 00:13:17,160 --> 00:13:18,600 Speaker 2: to a lot of or read a lot of like 268 00:13:18,880 --> 00:13:23,400 Speaker 2: this particularly kind of turn of the last century UFO stuff, 269 00:13:23,480 --> 00:13:26,280 Speaker 2: a lot of it focuses on animals being x sanguinated. Right, 270 00:13:26,320 --> 00:13:28,679 Speaker 2: cow's killed in these like weird fashions. Now he is 271 00:13:28,720 --> 00:13:31,920 Speaker 2: talking about a ritual murder. And also the timing doesn't 272 00:13:31,920 --> 00:13:33,880 Speaker 2: work out because they hear the cow run outside and 273 00:13:33,920 --> 00:13:36,559 Speaker 2: it's been completely skinn and exciting. But well, I think 274 00:13:36,600 --> 00:13:39,240 Speaker 2: what's important is, like you get an idea of like 275 00:13:39,840 --> 00:13:42,160 Speaker 2: this didn't come into his mind unbidden, Right, the term 276 00:13:42,200 --> 00:13:45,439 Speaker 2: exsanguinated as referred to a cow's corpse had not come 277 00:13:45,440 --> 00:13:46,960 Speaker 2: into his mind. And bind that's evidence of like the 278 00:13:47,000 --> 00:13:49,000 Speaker 2: kind of media diet he had, right, I. 279 00:13:49,000 --> 00:13:51,920 Speaker 3: Mean he was born in nineteen ninety one, that's like, yeah, 280 00:13:51,920 --> 00:13:54,600 Speaker 3: that's prime growing up with the X Files. 281 00:13:54,640 --> 00:13:57,960 Speaker 2: Oh absolutely, yeah, I mean I'm not that much older 282 00:13:58,000 --> 00:13:59,720 Speaker 2: than him, and that was definitely a big part of 283 00:13:59,720 --> 00:14:01,960 Speaker 2: my childhood. Yeah, but you know what could be a 284 00:14:01,960 --> 00:14:05,320 Speaker 2: big part of your childhood retroactively. 285 00:14:05,960 --> 00:14:07,680 Speaker 3: The products that can make your life better. 286 00:14:07,800 --> 00:14:10,840 Speaker 2: That's right, that's right. Garrison time is a flat circle, 287 00:14:10,880 --> 00:14:13,600 Speaker 2: and that means that if you buy products that advertise 288 00:14:13,640 --> 00:14:16,440 Speaker 2: on our show today, anything bad that happened in your 289 00:14:16,520 --> 00:14:32,880 Speaker 2: childhood can be healed. So here's the at Ah. We're 290 00:14:32,960 --> 00:14:35,600 Speaker 2: back and we're reading from the Second Messiah, King of 291 00:14:35,640 --> 00:14:37,640 Speaker 2: Earth by our friend Justin Mohan. 292 00:14:37,960 --> 00:14:40,240 Speaker 3: So it opened with what I would describe probably as 293 00:14:40,400 --> 00:14:43,840 Speaker 3: it's probably some kind of Satanic ritual, I'm guessing. 294 00:14:44,040 --> 00:14:46,240 Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, we get a little more about what his 295 00:14:46,360 --> 00:14:49,960 Speaker 2: dad thinks here because the next thing, but his dad 296 00:14:50,000 --> 00:14:52,480 Speaker 2: starts crying and Buster tries to comfort him, and his 297 00:14:52,600 --> 00:14:55,640 Speaker 2: dad says, a cow that waits nearly a time, Well, 298 00:14:56,200 --> 00:14:58,800 Speaker 2: look the spelling's not perfect. A cow that weighs nearly 299 00:14:58,840 --> 00:15:01,080 Speaker 2: a ton gets completely d of blood and its bones 300 00:15:01,080 --> 00:15:03,200 Speaker 2: and organs are taken out perfectly, without one drop of 301 00:15:03,200 --> 00:15:05,720 Speaker 2: blood being spilled. And it all happens right here in 302 00:15:05,760 --> 00:15:07,640 Speaker 2: the middle of this field in less than an hour, 303 00:15:07,760 --> 00:15:09,920 Speaker 2: maybe even in just a couple of minutes. It's the 304 00:15:09,920 --> 00:15:11,760 Speaker 2: fifth cow this has happened to you this season, and 305 00:15:11,800 --> 00:15:14,400 Speaker 2: Betsy was my best cow. We just won't be able 306 00:15:14,440 --> 00:15:15,680 Speaker 2: to make a profit this year. 307 00:15:15,840 --> 00:15:16,800 Speaker 3: Oh my gosh. 308 00:15:16,880 --> 00:15:19,000 Speaker 2: He starts to cry, and then he says, don't tell 309 00:15:19,040 --> 00:15:21,040 Speaker 2: your mother I told you this. But you're right to 310 00:15:21,120 --> 00:15:23,600 Speaker 2: leave this place and go far away. There's nothing for 311 00:15:23,640 --> 00:15:25,880 Speaker 2: you here, and in fact, there's nothing for anyone here. 312 00:15:26,320 --> 00:15:28,560 Speaker 2: So at this point Buster's like, hey, don't say that, dad. 313 00:15:28,600 --> 00:15:30,480 Speaker 2: You know we've still got a farm. It'll be okay, 314 00:15:30,520 --> 00:15:33,120 Speaker 2: And his dad says, oh, Buster, soon you will learn 315 00:15:33,160 --> 00:15:34,920 Speaker 2: if you move out west on your own. There is 316 00:15:34,960 --> 00:15:37,200 Speaker 2: an evil in this world which has found its way 317 00:15:37,200 --> 00:15:40,640 Speaker 2: into this country, into every country. It is an ugly evil. 318 00:15:40,920 --> 00:15:43,640 Speaker 2: Nearly all the family farms in this state and plenty 319 00:15:43,640 --> 00:15:45,480 Speaker 2: of other states, have seen the same trend in the 320 00:15:45,480 --> 00:15:47,920 Speaker 2: past twenty years or so, a trend none of us 321 00:15:47,920 --> 00:15:52,640 Speaker 2: have seen before, unexplainable tragedies. Livestock gets mutilated or disappears, 322 00:15:52,640 --> 00:15:55,000 Speaker 2: Crops get infested with bugs and disease, and then all 323 00:15:55,000 --> 00:15:57,440 Speaker 2: of a sudden, the farm is taking a financial loss, 324 00:15:57,600 --> 00:16:00,160 Speaker 2: The farm shrinks, and eventually the family goes bankrupt. Their 325 00:16:00,200 --> 00:16:02,800 Speaker 2: land is bought out by a big corporation. More farmers 326 00:16:02,840 --> 00:16:05,080 Speaker 2: have committed suicide in the past decade than any other 327 00:16:05,120 --> 00:16:09,600 Speaker 2: profession and I can't blame them. Now. That ties into 328 00:16:09,800 --> 00:16:14,760 Speaker 2: some very real and very powerful conspiracy theories that this 329 00:16:14,840 --> 00:16:16,720 Speaker 2: is a lot of this ties into like Bill Gates stuff, 330 00:16:16,920 --> 00:16:19,200 Speaker 2: you know, the idea he has bought up a bunch 331 00:16:19,240 --> 00:16:22,720 Speaker 2: of farmland and among conspiratorial sex he has bought all 332 00:16:22,800 --> 00:16:25,320 Speaker 2: the farmland and China's buying all of it, or China 333 00:16:25,360 --> 00:16:27,480 Speaker 2: and Bill Gates are buying it together, and they want 334 00:16:27,520 --> 00:16:29,400 Speaker 2: to because they want to control the food supply and 335 00:16:29,440 --> 00:16:32,480 Speaker 2: take out the ability of Americans to feed themselves. Right, Yeah, 336 00:16:32,680 --> 00:16:37,200 Speaker 2: Like this is a this is something he picked up 337 00:16:37,200 --> 00:16:39,560 Speaker 2: from right wing media. This is not an invention of 338 00:16:39,600 --> 00:16:42,520 Speaker 2: his for this book. This is probably something he was 339 00:16:42,640 --> 00:16:45,160 Speaker 2: either raised to believe or came to believe fairly early 340 00:16:45,200 --> 00:16:47,760 Speaker 2: in life because of what other people around him were saying. 341 00:16:47,800 --> 00:16:50,520 Speaker 2: This is common stuff. He has put a twist on it. 342 00:16:50,560 --> 00:16:53,960 Speaker 2: But this is not coming out of nowhere. So after this, 343 00:16:54,320 --> 00:16:56,720 Speaker 2: he basically tries to talk his dad and like, hey, 344 00:16:56,720 --> 00:16:59,200 Speaker 2: can't you call the FBI or the police or you know, 345 00:16:59,240 --> 00:17:02,000 Speaker 2: surveil them to catch whoever's doing this, And his dad 346 00:17:02,040 --> 00:17:04,719 Speaker 2: says other farmers have tried, they just lose all their 347 00:17:04,760 --> 00:17:07,919 Speaker 2: money faster. And the police and an FBI have investigated. 348 00:17:07,920 --> 00:17:09,879 Speaker 2: But how could they stop something like this from happening 349 00:17:09,880 --> 00:17:12,159 Speaker 2: out of nowhere. I've sold more than half the acres 350 00:17:12,200 --> 00:17:14,400 Speaker 2: of the Moon family farm over the past three years alone, 351 00:17:14,440 --> 00:17:17,479 Speaker 2: and we can still barely stay afloat. There's no fighting it. 352 00:17:17,480 --> 00:17:20,720 Speaker 2: It's too secretive, it's too constant, it's too well orchestrated. 353 00:17:20,800 --> 00:17:24,400 Speaker 2: It's just too evil. But why is this happening? Why 354 00:17:24,480 --> 00:17:27,880 Speaker 2: is the government letting America's farms get unfairly taken over? Well, 355 00:17:27,880 --> 00:17:29,639 Speaker 2: as my father once told me, if you want to 356 00:17:29,680 --> 00:17:31,920 Speaker 2: take over a country, you have to gain control of 357 00:17:31,960 --> 00:17:34,600 Speaker 2: their food supply. Remember, my father was an immigrant from 358 00:17:34,640 --> 00:17:36,920 Speaker 2: Germany and he fled the Nazis with your grandmother, who 359 00:17:36,960 --> 00:17:38,920 Speaker 2: was a Jew, to come to America. He used to 360 00:17:38,960 --> 00:17:41,680 Speaker 2: always say, they are the Germans, there are the Russians, 361 00:17:41,680 --> 00:17:44,440 Speaker 2: and then there are the Germans from Russia, and they 362 00:17:44,440 --> 00:17:47,560 Speaker 2: all came to America for the same reason land. 363 00:17:48,280 --> 00:17:51,920 Speaker 3: And that is Justin's family history, which is also yeah, 364 00:17:52,040 --> 00:17:56,240 Speaker 3: why some Nazis on telegram did not like him. 365 00:17:56,359 --> 00:17:59,119 Speaker 2: Yeah, he's very much not a Nazi, And at the 366 00:17:59,200 --> 00:18:03,000 Speaker 2: same time there's elements of like what he's saying here 367 00:18:03,040 --> 00:18:05,840 Speaker 2: that like, yeah, the Germans from Russia that moved here 368 00:18:06,520 --> 00:18:09,040 Speaker 2: very much John Birch stuff that like a fifth column 369 00:18:09,119 --> 00:18:11,760 Speaker 2: of communists from Europe have moved here and are trying 370 00:18:11,760 --> 00:18:15,720 Speaker 2: to change this country. So the conversation ends, he goes 371 00:18:15,760 --> 00:18:17,600 Speaker 2: to sleep. He wakes up the next morning to like 372 00:18:17,720 --> 00:18:20,520 Speaker 2: leave his family forever to start a new life out west. 373 00:18:21,160 --> 00:18:23,920 Speaker 2: And he starts by going out to the farm, taking 374 00:18:23,960 --> 00:18:26,679 Speaker 2: out his pipe and his last bit of marijuana, a 375 00:18:26,680 --> 00:18:30,879 Speaker 2: few green buds that he says to himself, perfectly calculated, 376 00:18:31,200 --> 00:18:34,119 Speaker 2: and then he smokes his last bowl of marijuana, which 377 00:18:34,600 --> 00:18:37,440 Speaker 2: I'm sure he did regularly and certainly did not help 378 00:18:37,560 --> 00:18:38,680 Speaker 2: his hit. 379 00:18:38,960 --> 00:18:41,199 Speaker 3: Justin Mohan did have a medical marijuana card that he 380 00:18:41,280 --> 00:18:44,159 Speaker 3: had to give up on January twenty ninth to go 381 00:18:44,600 --> 00:18:46,680 Speaker 3: a handgun that he would then later use one day 382 00:18:46,720 --> 00:18:47,680 Speaker 3: later to kill his father. 383 00:18:48,240 --> 00:18:50,480 Speaker 2: Yeah. I guess good that he had to give up 384 00:18:50,520 --> 00:18:55,440 Speaker 2: his medical marijuana card first. Yeah, that's keeping people saying, yeah, yeah, 385 00:18:55,680 --> 00:18:58,359 Speaker 2: really stop the problem. So he says goodbye to his 386 00:18:58,440 --> 00:19:01,280 Speaker 2: parents and he gets on the road. Right, they seem 387 00:19:01,320 --> 00:19:03,680 Speaker 2: He actually does not describe his dad as being very 388 00:19:03,720 --> 00:19:07,280 Speaker 2: mean in this He's pretty sympathetic in the book. But interesting, Yeah, 389 00:19:07,200 --> 00:19:10,040 Speaker 2: which is interesting. But you know, a few years went 390 00:19:10,119 --> 00:19:12,680 Speaker 2: by between this one and between him killing his father. 391 00:19:13,200 --> 00:19:16,679 Speaker 2: So when I brought up earlier that highway rest stops 392 00:19:16,680 --> 00:19:18,480 Speaker 2: are a major part of this book, that's because of 393 00:19:18,520 --> 00:19:21,399 Speaker 2: what comes next. So he crosses from Ohio into Indiana 394 00:19:22,440 --> 00:19:25,359 Speaker 2: and he sees a rest area approaching. Hmm, got a 395 00:19:25,400 --> 00:19:28,520 Speaker 2: piss and wouldn't mind a snack, buster said, He pulls 396 00:19:28,520 --> 00:19:31,040 Speaker 2: off the highway. He gets into a parking lot, and 397 00:19:31,080 --> 00:19:33,720 Speaker 2: he describes most of the men and women wore overalls, 398 00:19:34,040 --> 00:19:36,399 Speaker 2: flannel shirts, and straw hats walking in and out of 399 00:19:36,400 --> 00:19:38,040 Speaker 2: the building to and from the parking lot. A few 400 00:19:38,080 --> 00:19:39,800 Speaker 2: people stood off to the sides of the building in 401 00:19:39,880 --> 00:19:42,360 Speaker 2: parking lot in a grass area. A few men were 402 00:19:42,480 --> 00:19:45,600 Speaker 2: urinating outside near the trees. An old man was squatting 403 00:19:45,600 --> 00:19:47,919 Speaker 2: at the tree line taking a shit. I've never been 404 00:19:47,960 --> 00:19:49,440 Speaker 2: to I've been to a lot of rest sadops. I've 405 00:19:49,440 --> 00:19:51,720 Speaker 2: actually not seen that happening at a rest stop. But 406 00:19:52,480 --> 00:19:54,879 Speaker 2: this is to set up something that's happening at the 407 00:19:54,920 --> 00:19:56,880 Speaker 2: rest stop, which he learns about when he goes into 408 00:19:56,880 --> 00:19:58,760 Speaker 2: the bathroom, and it turns out to be a bad 409 00:19:58,800 --> 00:20:01,199 Speaker 2: decision because as soon as he stands at the urinal, 410 00:20:01,400 --> 00:20:04,440 Speaker 2: he hears someone behind him saying, Oh, yeah, that's real nice. 411 00:20:04,600 --> 00:20:06,800 Speaker 2: Just look at that. You want to try it? Another 412 00:20:06,880 --> 00:20:09,680 Speaker 2: voice whispered. Buster eyed with one eyebrow and raised towards 413 00:20:09,720 --> 00:20:12,280 Speaker 2: the stall in his left four legs stood in the stall, 414 00:20:12,600 --> 00:20:15,000 Speaker 2: and then he hears people snorting drugs and a bit 415 00:20:15,040 --> 00:20:17,400 Speaker 2: of white powder falls to the floor and a guy 416 00:20:17,480 --> 00:20:20,120 Speaker 2: falls down and then is like, oh shit, that's good. 417 00:20:20,200 --> 00:20:23,120 Speaker 2: How much for an ounce? I think they're selling. I'm 418 00:20:23,119 --> 00:20:26,680 Speaker 2: not sure if it's supposed to be fentanyl or cocaine, Yeah, 419 00:20:26,720 --> 00:20:30,040 Speaker 2: something like that. And then they realize he's listening to 420 00:20:30,080 --> 00:20:34,160 Speaker 2: them do cocaine or whatever in the rest bathroom. Hold 421 00:20:34,160 --> 00:20:36,400 Speaker 2: on a sec I think someone's in here listening to us. 422 00:20:36,400 --> 00:20:38,680 Speaker 2: The other person whispered, should we kill him? The first 423 00:20:38,680 --> 00:20:42,359 Speaker 2: person whispered, at which point he fleets the rest stop. Yeah, 424 00:20:42,440 --> 00:20:46,920 Speaker 2: so quick escalation. This is like such a like to 425 00:20:47,200 --> 00:20:50,359 Speaker 2: take into a humorous degree, but such a like, Oh 426 00:20:50,440 --> 00:20:54,440 Speaker 2: what the Fox News viewing set thinks about, like everything 427 00:20:54,520 --> 00:20:56,440 Speaker 2: outside of their suburbs. 428 00:20:56,440 --> 00:20:58,159 Speaker 3: Justin did not grow up in Ohio. He grew up 429 00:20:58,200 --> 00:21:02,879 Speaker 3: in Pennsylvania. I think his family lived about an hour 430 00:21:03,240 --> 00:21:05,840 Speaker 3: north of Philadelphia, so he grew up in a very 431 00:21:06,040 --> 00:21:09,840 Speaker 3: suburban area outside of a big city. And that all 432 00:21:09,920 --> 00:21:11,000 Speaker 3: kind of grafts on to this. 433 00:21:11,640 --> 00:21:14,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, it makes sense. Now, there's an interesting bit here 434 00:21:14,440 --> 00:21:16,560 Speaker 2: when he's outside of I guess they decided not to 435 00:21:16,640 --> 00:21:18,399 Speaker 2: chase him out of the bathroom, but he's still walking 436 00:21:18,440 --> 00:21:20,199 Speaker 2: around the rest stop and we get a little like 437 00:21:20,400 --> 00:21:23,680 Speaker 2: gang stalking bit here. People stared at Buster and kept 438 00:21:23,680 --> 00:21:26,000 Speaker 2: glancing at him, and he wondered why he didn't look 439 00:21:26,040 --> 00:21:28,000 Speaker 2: or dressed too differently, and he was barely out of 440 00:21:28,000 --> 00:21:31,760 Speaker 2: Ohio than he realized everyone was with someone else, Nobody 441 00:21:31,760 --> 00:21:36,320 Speaker 2: else was alone except him, And like, that's a delusion. 442 00:21:36,359 --> 00:21:39,000 Speaker 2: That's the kind of delusion leads to gangstig because number one, 443 00:21:39,560 --> 00:21:41,800 Speaker 2: I guarantee you there were other alone people that every 444 00:21:41,840 --> 00:21:44,440 Speaker 2: rest stop he ever went to. But also like people 445 00:21:44,480 --> 00:21:46,480 Speaker 2: don't pay attention to that sort of thing. That is 446 00:21:46,720 --> 00:21:49,680 Speaker 2: a voice in his head telling him to hyper focus 447 00:21:49,720 --> 00:21:52,280 Speaker 2: on this. So he gets freaked out by this. He 448 00:21:52,359 --> 00:21:56,280 Speaker 2: describes himself having a panic attack. Right. He describes like 449 00:21:56,320 --> 00:21:58,439 Speaker 2: having a panic attack about the fact that he's alone 450 00:21:58,440 --> 00:22:01,080 Speaker 2: out here. Now it seemed to more people were glancing 451 00:22:01,119 --> 00:22:02,880 Speaker 2: at him, even talking about him, as if they sensed 452 00:22:02,920 --> 00:22:05,680 Speaker 2: his feeling of vulnerability emanating from his chest like sharp 453 00:22:05,720 --> 00:22:09,480 Speaker 2: smelling fresh blood. So he finishes eating and he gets 454 00:22:09,560 --> 00:22:12,440 Speaker 2: back on the highway and he drives for a bit 455 00:22:12,480 --> 00:22:17,119 Speaker 2: more until he crosses he passes Indiana and gets into Illinois, 456 00:22:17,400 --> 00:22:20,879 Speaker 2: and then he will have another rest stop scene. This 457 00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:23,000 Speaker 2: is like he spends a lot of time on rest stops, 458 00:22:23,160 --> 00:22:26,280 Speaker 2: and this is I'm going to need you're accult knowledge here, Garrison, 459 00:22:26,359 --> 00:22:28,760 Speaker 2: so you can let me know if he gets this 460 00:22:28,840 --> 00:22:32,080 Speaker 2: stuff right. So, as he's like walking through the rest 461 00:22:32,080 --> 00:22:35,240 Speaker 2: stop area, he sees that, like there's a poster on 462 00:22:35,280 --> 00:22:37,360 Speaker 2: the wall that says this cabin was once an outpost 463 00:22:37,359 --> 00:22:40,119 Speaker 2: for trading with the Native Americans, used during the Civil 464 00:22:40,119 --> 00:22:42,879 Speaker 2: War to store guns and ammunition. Then he walks to 465 00:22:42,920 --> 00:22:45,200 Speaker 2: another glass casing on the adjacent wall and he reads 466 00:22:45,200 --> 00:22:48,440 Speaker 2: the poster inside considered haunted by locals after peg and 467 00:22:48,480 --> 00:22:50,600 Speaker 2: witches lived in the cabin, who were later burned at 468 00:22:50,600 --> 00:22:53,360 Speaker 2: the stake for witchcraft. Abandoned for over one hundred years 469 00:22:53,359 --> 00:22:56,960 Speaker 2: before being restored as a rest area. So he's that's 470 00:22:57,000 --> 00:22:59,560 Speaker 2: to set the scene, and then he goes like, gets 471 00:22:59,600 --> 00:23:01,840 Speaker 2: himself some food or something, and as he's looking outside 472 00:23:01,880 --> 00:23:04,520 Speaker 2: at the surrounding forest, he sees one hundred yards into 473 00:23:04,520 --> 00:23:07,120 Speaker 2: the forest there are tiki torches lit. And it's four 474 00:23:07,200 --> 00:23:10,159 Speaker 2: oh one pm in the afternoon. What the fuck do 475 00:23:10,200 --> 00:23:12,040 Speaker 2: they have torches lit in the forest for if it's 476 00:23:12,080 --> 00:23:14,520 Speaker 2: not going to be dark for another two hours, Buster said, 477 00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:17,520 Speaker 2: So he walks in and he sees a few individuals 478 00:23:17,600 --> 00:23:20,639 Speaker 2: dressed like vagabonds, dancing slowly in circles around the fire, 479 00:23:20,880 --> 00:23:23,440 Speaker 2: with their arms spread out waving in the air. Buster 480 00:23:23,600 --> 00:23:26,240 Speaker 2: quietly climbed through some bushes to get a quiet closer look. 481 00:23:26,400 --> 00:23:28,159 Speaker 2: There were two men and a woman, all in dirty 482 00:23:28,200 --> 00:23:30,679 Speaker 2: torn robes, dancing within a circle of lit candles and 483 00:23:30,720 --> 00:23:34,040 Speaker 2: tiki torches. One male and female danced inside the circle, 484 00:23:34,160 --> 00:23:36,960 Speaker 2: chanting and murmuring words which Buster couldn't make out. The 485 00:23:37,000 --> 00:23:39,280 Speaker 2: other male was kneeling on the ground inside the circle, 486 00:23:39,320 --> 00:23:41,719 Speaker 2: carving up pumpkin a picture lay in front of him 487 00:23:41,720 --> 00:23:44,520 Speaker 2: in a bed of flowers. Please, spirits of nature and 488 00:23:44,560 --> 00:23:47,720 Speaker 2: beyond except this pumpkin carving and our sacrifices on this 489 00:23:47,840 --> 00:23:50,639 Speaker 2: day of sam Hayn, in remembrance of our deceased loved ones, 490 00:23:50,840 --> 00:23:54,760 Speaker 2: please ease their passage into the other world. Okay, how's 491 00:23:54,760 --> 00:23:56,560 Speaker 2: that sounding so far, Garrison? Is that real? 492 00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:02,760 Speaker 3: Is this supposed to be around Halloween? Is this supposed 493 00:24:02,760 --> 00:24:03,040 Speaker 3: to be. 494 00:24:03,760 --> 00:24:06,320 Speaker 2: It's unclear, but based on the fact that it day 495 00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:08,000 Speaker 2: ends at six pm? Probably yes? 496 00:24:08,240 --> 00:24:12,240 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, okay, well yeah, I mean dancing around a 497 00:24:12,240 --> 00:24:15,200 Speaker 3: fire is certainly is certainly fire rest stop. 498 00:24:15,320 --> 00:24:17,520 Speaker 2: Sure, all right, well let's get to the Let's get 499 00:24:17,520 --> 00:24:20,840 Speaker 2: to them finishing the ritual. So next a woman screams 500 00:24:20,840 --> 00:24:24,720 Speaker 2: the magic words iaka I don't know. Looked it up, 501 00:24:25,119 --> 00:24:26,480 Speaker 2: couldn't find anything. 502 00:24:26,160 --> 00:24:28,280 Speaker 3: That doesn't sound familiar to me either, but yeah. 503 00:24:28,160 --> 00:24:31,479 Speaker 2: Yeah, so she screams, and then another female emerged from 504 00:24:31,520 --> 00:24:33,480 Speaker 2: behind a tree with a donkey by a leash in 505 00:24:33,520 --> 00:24:36,440 Speaker 2: one hand and a stick carrying a decorated horse's skull 506 00:24:36,480 --> 00:24:38,840 Speaker 2: on the other. The horse's skull had red ornaments in 507 00:24:38,880 --> 00:24:41,280 Speaker 2: its eye sockets and a sheet draping over its head. 508 00:24:41,520 --> 00:24:43,840 Speaker 2: She danced into the center of the circle of candles 509 00:24:43,840 --> 00:24:45,919 Speaker 2: with the others. The man who was kneeling picked up 510 00:24:45,920 --> 00:24:48,280 Speaker 2: a long curved sword from the ground and stood up. 511 00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:51,760 Speaker 2: Let the sacrifice of this ass please the spirits of nature. 512 00:24:51,840 --> 00:24:52,639 Speaker 2: The man yelled. 513 00:24:53,480 --> 00:24:55,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, well, you know, this is probably a little bit 514 00:24:55,760 --> 00:24:59,760 Speaker 3: more intense than your average wiccan soven ritual. 515 00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:04,800 Speaker 2: But sure, yeah, yeah, I don't know. And ass that's 516 00:25:04,800 --> 00:25:08,639 Speaker 2: a unique sacrifice story. Usually it's like a cow or 517 00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:11,159 Speaker 2: a chicken or something. But uh huh, I appreciate that. 518 00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:14,159 Speaker 2: So he raises the sword above his head. No, buster yelled, 519 00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:18,200 Speaker 2: hehaw the donkey whine. The donkey got scared and jerked away. 520 00:25:18,320 --> 00:25:21,679 Speaker 2: Just as the man swung the sword, slush blood spurted 521 00:25:21,760 --> 00:25:25,720 Speaker 2: upwards and outwards. Ah, the female yelled. The female fell 522 00:25:25,760 --> 00:25:28,160 Speaker 2: to her knees, and the donkey ran away from the forest, 523 00:25:28,359 --> 00:25:31,880 Speaker 2: her severed arm still holding onto the leech. The female 524 00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:34,960 Speaker 2: raised her bleeding stump. You idiot, you cut off my arm, 525 00:25:35,040 --> 00:25:37,800 Speaker 2: she said. Well, the donkey got scared. The man said, 526 00:25:38,040 --> 00:25:40,080 Speaker 2: Now what are we going to eat? The woman said. 527 00:25:40,320 --> 00:25:42,199 Speaker 2: The three others glanced at each other, then looked at 528 00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:44,640 Speaker 2: the woman on the ground with one arm. No, don't 529 00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:46,919 Speaker 2: even think about it, she said. The man holding the 530 00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:51,000 Speaker 2: sword raised it high up his head again. Ah, she screamed. Ah, 531 00:25:51,080 --> 00:25:53,960 Speaker 2: buster screamed. The woman held her remaining arm up just 532 00:25:53,960 --> 00:25:56,560 Speaker 2: as the man swung down the sword. The sword cut 533 00:25:56,560 --> 00:25:58,600 Speaker 2: her hand in half from top to bottom between the 534 00:25:58,640 --> 00:26:01,200 Speaker 2: middle finger and ring finger, slicing all the way down 535 00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:05,879 Speaker 2: her forearm. Now that's that's not where I expected this 536 00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:10,160 Speaker 2: passage to go. But it gets better because they all 537 00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:13,399 Speaker 2: realize Buster's there at this point and give up on 538 00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:15,400 Speaker 2: their plans to eat this woman, who they have now 539 00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:18,160 Speaker 2: hacked at twice, and instead she and all of them 540 00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:21,480 Speaker 2: start charging Buster. And he describes it as they all 541 00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:24,520 Speaker 2: turned directly towards Buster and began ranning towards him. Even 542 00:26:24,560 --> 00:26:26,760 Speaker 2: the woman with one arm, which was divided in half 543 00:26:26,800 --> 00:26:30,120 Speaker 2: like a lobster claw, ran towards Buster, her arm flapping 544 00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:32,040 Speaker 2: in halves as she sprinted towards him. 545 00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:34,399 Speaker 3: That is an interesting writing. 546 00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:39,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's I didn't call that coming. I love that. Yes, 547 00:26:39,359 --> 00:26:40,479 Speaker 2: she got lobster afied. 548 00:26:41,520 --> 00:26:43,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a very eventful Sawin. 549 00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:48,679 Speaker 2: Yeah, huh uh. I don't think that actually happened to Buster. 550 00:26:49,080 --> 00:26:54,080 Speaker 3: I don't think that. I don't believe. On Justin's move 551 00:26:54,119 --> 00:26:58,400 Speaker 3: from Pennsylvania to Colorado, he stumbled across a pagan ritual 552 00:26:58,800 --> 00:27:01,840 Speaker 3: where they dis meant a woman and gave her a 553 00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:02,679 Speaker 3: lobster claw. 554 00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:06,000 Speaker 2: I do suspect that maybe he saw someone walking their 555 00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:08,000 Speaker 2: dog near a rest stop and filled in the. 556 00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:10,640 Speaker 3: Rest That is certainly possible. 557 00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:14,920 Speaker 2: Speaking of dog shit, you know what's not dog shit? 558 00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:16,800 Speaker 3: These ads? 559 00:27:17,359 --> 00:27:19,640 Speaker 2: Uh huh, that's right, these ads. 560 00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:22,399 Speaker 3: Aren't we sponsored by like the state of Ohio or something? 561 00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:25,520 Speaker 2: Huh oh yeah, then in that case we probably should 562 00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:41,119 Speaker 2: just move on. Ah, we are back and having a 563 00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:44,399 Speaker 2: really good time learning some more about our old friend 564 00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:49,160 Speaker 2: justin moan So Garrison. At this point, he he flees 565 00:27:49,359 --> 00:27:54,159 Speaker 2: from the Wickanists and their d handed friend and he 566 00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:56,760 Speaker 2: gets back on the road again. Doesn't seem to call 567 00:27:56,800 --> 00:27:59,560 Speaker 2: the police over this, but I guess they probably were 568 00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:01,800 Speaker 2: in on it to what could the police have done 569 00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:05,240 Speaker 2: about people dismembering a woman directly next to a crowded 570 00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:08,800 Speaker 2: highway rest stop. So he decides he gets to Saint 571 00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:11,040 Speaker 2: Louis he needs to find a place to eat. He 572 00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:14,480 Speaker 2: finds a cheap Italian restaurant and he parallel parked at 573 00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:19,560 Speaker 2: the curb. Uh buster walked inside the restaurant into the counter. 574 00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:22,240 Speaker 2: A small man stood beside the counter with a thick 575 00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:25,280 Speaker 2: Italian accent. I make a good pie for you like 576 00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:28,359 Speaker 2: you find on the East Coast. Yeah, no, West Coast, 577 00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:36,000 Speaker 2: and then he uses a slur for gay people stuff. Okay, no, good, 578 00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:39,080 Speaker 2: thank you. Buster said, you ain't a slur, are you? 579 00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:42,440 Speaker 2: The man said no, sir. Buster said you sure you 580 00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:44,720 Speaker 2: don't don't want us some pineapples on this with no 581 00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:47,720 Speaker 2: red sauce, all white and a cheesy stuffed crust. Huh, 582 00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:53,239 Speaker 2: And then he calls him a slur again. No, very stereotypical, 583 00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:56,880 Speaker 2: but also big in an Italian chef character here. 584 00:28:57,720 --> 00:29:00,320 Speaker 3: You know, I actually ate at an Italian rush joted 585 00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:04,880 Speaker 3: Saint Louis last year. I was not accosted for being gay. 586 00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:08,240 Speaker 2: But that's good. That's good. Did your guy have a 587 00:29:08,280 --> 00:29:09,720 Speaker 2: comedic Italian accent? 588 00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:12,120 Speaker 3: No? I think I was being served by a lesbian. 589 00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:14,360 Speaker 2: Actually, okay, well that's probably why. 590 00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:15,040 Speaker 3: That's probably why. 591 00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:17,840 Speaker 2: Yeah. So Buster tells him that he just wants a 592 00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:20,640 Speaker 2: plane pizza, and the pizza man is willing to serve him, 593 00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:23,400 Speaker 2: but he does use the slur again. At this point, 594 00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:26,600 Speaker 2: two men barged into the restaurant wearing long black pea coats, 595 00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:30,040 Speaker 2: black pants and shoes, and black fedoras. I already paid 596 00:29:30,080 --> 00:29:31,240 Speaker 2: my d space. 597 00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:34,480 Speaker 3: Here we go. This is this is what I was 598 00:29:34,520 --> 00:29:37,120 Speaker 3: signing up for this is rough. Stops are fine, This 599 00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:38,479 Speaker 3: is what I wanted. 600 00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:42,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, I already paid my dues. Boys, the man behind 601 00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:45,760 Speaker 2: the counter said. The man behind the counter spun pizza 602 00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:50,720 Speaker 2: dough in one hand. Look tony unpazzo con pizza, one 603 00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:53,280 Speaker 2: man said. The other man in the Fedora laughs. The 604 00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:56,040 Speaker 2: old fool thinks we're here to collect dues, so what 605 00:29:56,080 --> 00:29:58,280 Speaker 2: the hell do you want a fucking pizza for it? 606 00:29:58,400 --> 00:30:01,040 Speaker 2: He just keeps using that he can't he cannot mention 607 00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:05,080 Speaker 2: pizza with that, dropping a slur. I am, I'll tell 608 00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:08,280 Speaker 2: you what. I'm not sympathetic towards this Italian man's plight. 609 00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:12,640 Speaker 2: Both men and Fedoras laughed hysterically and turned towards Buster. 610 00:30:12,760 --> 00:30:16,560 Speaker 2: They lifted their pea coats and revealed Thompson's submachine guns. 611 00:30:16,800 --> 00:30:20,440 Speaker 2: A can't tell me guns. Those are so much more 612 00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:25,360 Speaker 2: expensive than modern crime guns. Why are they spending thirty three? 613 00:30:26,800 --> 00:30:35,840 Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah? Where? Oh it's good stuff, like in Chicago, baby, 614 00:30:35,920 --> 00:30:39,600 Speaker 3: in Saint Louis, of course, Chicago, Come on St. Louis, 615 00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:41,360 Speaker 3: let's so you're real here. 616 00:30:41,760 --> 00:30:45,520 Speaker 2: The men never explain why they're killing this guy, but 617 00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:51,080 Speaker 2: as Buster's eyes, buddy, yeah, yeah, these are the these 618 00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:55,640 Speaker 2: are the LGBT police. So they they opened fire. They 619 00:30:55,640 --> 00:30:58,520 Speaker 2: each empty one hundred bullets towards the man behind the counter. 620 00:30:59,040 --> 00:31:03,719 Speaker 2: Then they turned to you saw nothing, kid, nothing got it? 621 00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:08,160 Speaker 2: The man said, I didn't see Shitbusters said, oh my god. 622 00:31:08,800 --> 00:31:11,440 Speaker 2: So the bigoted pizza man has been shot full of 623 00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:16,120 Speaker 2: holes and honestly, I'm fine. Must just leaves and goes 624 00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:17,160 Speaker 2: back to his car. 625 00:31:17,680 --> 00:31:22,680 Speaker 3: He finds what a fascinating thing to include the story, like. 626 00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:27,520 Speaker 2: It's He's making a lot of choices here. I wish 627 00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:30,240 Speaker 2: I could ask him about some of his process, like 628 00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:34,000 Speaker 2: why did the pizza man have to be stereotypically Italian? 629 00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:36,520 Speaker 2: Why did the gangsters have to carry a gun that 630 00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:41,080 Speaker 2: has been outdated for nearly one hundred years. Anyway, he 631 00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:44,720 Speaker 2: goes to a cheap Asian restaurant next, and again parallel 632 00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:46,640 Speaker 2: parks at the curve. He really wants us to know 633 00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:48,840 Speaker 2: that he can parallel park. This is this is something 634 00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:50,480 Speaker 2: he's made a point of several times. 635 00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:50,960 Speaker 3: Interesting. 636 00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:54,400 Speaker 2: Oh no, Garrison, I'm not excited to try to read you. 637 00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:57,480 Speaker 2: The next line, a small man stood behind the counter 638 00:31:57,600 --> 00:31:59,240 Speaker 2: with a thick Chinese accent. 639 00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:02,800 Speaker 3: Nope, nope, you can do Italian. 640 00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:07,120 Speaker 2: I am not gonna try this. What's important, you know, 641 00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:10,160 Speaker 2: is that he says the same thing as the Italian man. 642 00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:12,720 Speaker 2: I make it racistly, but he says, I'll make you 643 00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:14,640 Speaker 2: good food like you get on the East coast, no 644 00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:17,720 Speaker 2: West coast. And then he also uses the same slur, 645 00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:20,400 Speaker 2: and then he asks several more times about it and 646 00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:25,160 Speaker 2: repeatedly calls him a slur. I don't understand why they 647 00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:28,600 Speaker 2: are both the same person, but the same two men 648 00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:33,200 Speaker 2: in long black pea coats fedoras come in and then 649 00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:35,000 Speaker 2: they shoot this guy repeatedly. 650 00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:39,320 Speaker 3: Huh yeah, yeah, that's actually more interesting that this whole 651 00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:43,960 Speaker 3: instant gets repeated. Just a slightly different cultural backing it is. 652 00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:46,800 Speaker 2: It is compelling, right, and again the guys like you 653 00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:48,680 Speaker 2: saw nothing. But then they're like, oh, hey, aren't you 654 00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:51,080 Speaker 2: the same kid from the other restaurant where we just 655 00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:56,680 Speaker 2: machine gun demand and Buster, showing admirable bravery here says, yeah, 656 00:32:57,000 --> 00:32:59,960 Speaker 2: what's going on? I'm just trying to find something to eat, 657 00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:04,240 Speaker 2: and the mafia man very nicely explains, oi, kid, every 658 00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:07,040 Speaker 2: restaurant in Saint Louis is owned by the same gang. 659 00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:09,120 Speaker 2: That's why they all say the same script when you 660 00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:11,880 Speaker 2: walk in. But we're taking over their racket and we're 661 00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:15,760 Speaker 2: taking over the restaurant business in Saint Louis. So that's 662 00:33:15,840 --> 00:33:19,200 Speaker 2: why both the Chinese man and the Italian man said 663 00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:28,720 Speaker 2: the same things. Is they have a script. Oh wow, huh, yeah, 664 00:33:29,120 --> 00:33:32,960 Speaker 2: that's compelling coming. Yeah. So so Buster stops at a 665 00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:35,320 Speaker 2: gas station to get a pre made tuna sand which, which, 666 00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:38,040 Speaker 2: to be honest, seems like the decision to make after 667 00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:42,720 Speaker 2: after going of these Yeah. So he winds up driving 668 00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:47,680 Speaker 2: again through the countryside. He approaches Columbia, in between Saint 669 00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:50,760 Speaker 2: Louis and Kansas City, and he asks a guy if 670 00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:53,440 Speaker 2: he can use a public restroom. Yes, sir, just take 671 00:33:53,480 --> 00:33:55,680 Speaker 2: this here key, witches so you can get in the door. 672 00:33:56,120 --> 00:33:57,640 Speaker 2: The man held a key up towards Buster. 673 00:33:58,160 --> 00:33:58,480 Speaker 3: Ha ha ha. 674 00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:02,080 Speaker 2: The man laughed. Odd way to write laughter, not how 675 00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:04,680 Speaker 2: laughter sounds. Buster walked up to the man and took 676 00:34:04,760 --> 00:34:07,600 Speaker 2: the key. Thanks. Buster said, we'll say, mister, you're not 677 00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:09,520 Speaker 2: from around here? Is yeah, I don't recognize you. The 678 00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:12,120 Speaker 2: man said, no, I'm just passing through. Buster said, you're 679 00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:14,560 Speaker 2: making your way to Kansas City, Yes, sir, Well you 680 00:34:14,640 --> 00:34:17,239 Speaker 2: better be careful. There are abandons on that bridge that 681 00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:22,439 Speaker 2: goes over the Missouri rivers sometimes at night. Now that's 682 00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:23,520 Speaker 2: not true. 683 00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:27,439 Speaker 3: But also I I did run into bandits on my okay, okay, 684 00:34:27,560 --> 00:34:29,760 Speaker 3: on my road trip through uh through uh Kansas. 685 00:34:30,120 --> 00:34:31,759 Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, it's been a couple of years for me. 686 00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:34,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, Saint Louis, Yeah, no, it was. It was intense. 687 00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:38,320 Speaker 2: So Buster's like, that's great, I'm gonna use the bathroom anyway, 688 00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:40,520 Speaker 2: and the man says, I'll be watching you, and so 689 00:34:40,680 --> 00:34:44,000 Speaker 2: Buster says, okay, maybe I won't go, and then the 690 00:34:44,080 --> 00:34:50,239 Speaker 2: man yells, I was gonna suck your dick. So I 691 00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:54,120 Speaker 2: think we've gotten a good picture of what's going on 692 00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:58,960 Speaker 2: with this guy. I'm not really sure why. It's interesting, 693 00:34:59,040 --> 00:35:01,760 Speaker 2: Like even the absurd he does have kind of its roots. 694 00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:05,200 Speaker 2: And you can see some of these this like everybody 695 00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:09,080 Speaker 2: is programmed, like saying the same script or whatever, like 696 00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:12,920 Speaker 2: they're the Like that's why these interactions seem weird to me, 697 00:35:13,239 --> 00:35:15,320 Speaker 2: is that like, this isn't real people talking to me. 698 00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:17,319 Speaker 2: These are people reading from a script. It's all. Yeah, 699 00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:18,880 Speaker 2: you can kind of tie it all back to some 700 00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:21,360 Speaker 2: of the delusional thinking I want cities. 701 00:35:21,400 --> 00:35:22,880 Speaker 3: Are these like lawless zones? 702 00:35:23,160 --> 00:35:26,320 Speaker 2: Yes, yes, there's bandits on the road and people just 703 00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:30,239 Speaker 2: getting machine gunned in there in their restaurants. Yeah, so 704 00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:32,920 Speaker 2: this book ends. One of the last chapters about this 705 00:35:33,080 --> 00:35:36,280 Speaker 2: is the FBI and the CIA electrocuting Buster and asking 706 00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:38,640 Speaker 2: him questions. They're making him specifically, they want him to 707 00:35:38,680 --> 00:35:42,040 Speaker 2: tell them their sins, right, because he's the second Messiah, 708 00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:45,280 Speaker 2: because he's the second Messiah, so one of the masks, 709 00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:48,120 Speaker 2: and they seem to know everything about his entire life, right, 710 00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:50,720 Speaker 2: which is again kind of ties back to the delusion. 711 00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:52,319 Speaker 2: So one of them is like, what about the time 712 00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:54,200 Speaker 2: you were drunken through a punching a guy who wasn't 713 00:35:54,200 --> 00:35:57,040 Speaker 2: looking during a group fight in college? Not really sure 714 00:35:57,080 --> 00:35:59,319 Speaker 2: what a group fight in college is, but we can 715 00:35:59,400 --> 00:36:02,560 Speaker 2: move right past that. What about all the cigarettes you've smoked, 716 00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:04,680 Speaker 2: an acid you've taken, and mushrooms in ecstasy and all 717 00:36:04,719 --> 00:36:06,520 Speaker 2: the other drugs you did. I only did them a 718 00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:08,960 Speaker 2: couple of times. It's not like I'm an addict. Still 719 00:36:09,040 --> 00:36:11,560 Speaker 2: serious damage to the body and putting your life at risk. 720 00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:14,200 Speaker 2: CIA is very concerned about his overall health. 721 00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:18,799 Speaker 3: Yeah, the CIA famously on the edge about us things 722 00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:19,440 Speaker 3: like at Las. 723 00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:22,239 Speaker 2: Yeah. So this goes on for a while and then 724 00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:25,439 Speaker 2: the CIA agent leaves and FBI agents put him into 725 00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:28,239 Speaker 2: a black suv and drive him to Andrews Air Force Base. 726 00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:31,160 Speaker 2: The FBI agents wheeled Buster onto an Air Force one 727 00:36:31,360 --> 00:36:34,719 Speaker 2: and Air Force one jet also air force is one word, 728 00:36:35,239 --> 00:36:37,440 Speaker 2: and got on board with him. Then the jet took off. 729 00:36:37,680 --> 00:36:40,080 Speaker 2: By the time the jet landed in Moscow, Russia, Buster 730 00:36:40,239 --> 00:36:42,640 Speaker 2: no longer shook constantly, but every once in a while 731 00:36:42,719 --> 00:36:45,160 Speaker 2: he had a full body jerk. The FBI agents wheeled 732 00:36:45,239 --> 00:36:47,920 Speaker 2: him off the plane. Two Russian FSB agents waited on 733 00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:50,400 Speaker 2: the bottom of the ramp. The FBI agents nodded to 734 00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:53,920 Speaker 2: the FSB agents, who nodded back. Then the FBI agents 735 00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:56,600 Speaker 2: got back on board the jet. The FSB agents wheeled 736 00:36:56,640 --> 00:36:59,240 Speaker 2: Buster to a black rectangular suv and put him inside. 737 00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:01,719 Speaker 2: Then they drove to the Krimlin. Buster sat in a 738 00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:04,560 Speaker 2: wheelchair In the Krimlin. He was motionless, stared off into 739 00:37:04,560 --> 00:37:07,200 Speaker 2: the distance at nothing, and his jaw hung. Suddenly his 740 00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:09,640 Speaker 2: entire body jerked, then he went back to being still. 741 00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:13,160 Speaker 2: The President of Russia walked up to Buster. King Moon 742 00:37:13,520 --> 00:37:16,080 Speaker 2: there is an uprising for more food in several parts 743 00:37:16,120 --> 00:37:20,760 Speaker 2: of Southeast Asia. The President of Russia said, Gohea. Buster chuckled, 744 00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:24,360 Speaker 2: but do you recommend Zig Global Communist Confederation. Due to 745 00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:27,960 Speaker 2: your majesty, The President of Russia said, go he he. 746 00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:32,239 Speaker 2: Buster chuckled. Buster stared off into the distance. Sill genocide. 747 00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:35,239 Speaker 2: The President of Russia said, yeah, heh, I love that. 748 00:37:35,640 --> 00:37:38,439 Speaker 2: Buster smiled. The President of Russia turned around to face 749 00:37:38,520 --> 00:37:41,560 Speaker 2: representatives from countries all over the world. Kills them all. 750 00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:44,480 Speaker 2: Orders directly from ze King of Earth, the President of 751 00:37:44,560 --> 00:37:47,640 Speaker 2: Russia said. Fighters, jets and bombers from the United Global 752 00:37:47,719 --> 00:37:51,200 Speaker 2: Force of China, Russia, America, and Europe flew over Southeast Asia, 753 00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:54,400 Speaker 2: dropping bombs on every country, destroying every main city, burning 754 00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:57,160 Speaker 2: forests and villages, and killing hundreds of millions of people. 755 00:37:57,680 --> 00:37:58,920 Speaker 2: And that's how the book ends. 756 00:38:01,560 --> 00:38:05,239 Speaker 3: So I am fascinated about this middle chunk where he's 757 00:38:06,160 --> 00:38:09,360 Speaker 3: where he goes to Colorado and uncovers a satanic conspiracy 758 00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:14,040 Speaker 3: involving the Democratic Party. But that end bit kind of 759 00:38:14,080 --> 00:38:17,680 Speaker 3: got me thinking about there was all of these like 760 00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:21,600 Speaker 3: like all these like artistic things he was doing that 761 00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:24,480 Speaker 3: was almost preparing himself to do an acti violence against 762 00:38:24,560 --> 00:38:27,040 Speaker 3: a family member. But as much as that was the 763 00:38:27,120 --> 00:38:29,000 Speaker 3: future he was building for himself. You also mentioned that 764 00:38:29,040 --> 00:38:31,920 Speaker 3: he was being transported around by the FBI, and like, 765 00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:34,920 Speaker 3: I wonder how much that was a part of the 766 00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:37,759 Speaker 3: future he was building for himself. Like now that he's 767 00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:41,240 Speaker 3: arrested at a National Guard base, he's now being taken 768 00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:44,520 Speaker 3: from place to place by government officials. He's constantly now 769 00:38:44,560 --> 00:38:48,440 Speaker 3: surrounded by Feds, like he has he has built the 770 00:38:48,600 --> 00:38:51,640 Speaker 3: reality for himself that now he is actually always watched 771 00:38:51,680 --> 00:38:53,840 Speaker 3: by the government because he's been arrested for doing this 772 00:38:53,920 --> 00:38:57,160 Speaker 3: things like he is. He has created this fantasy world 773 00:38:57,360 --> 00:38:59,800 Speaker 3: that he can now live in forever. Yeah, whether he 774 00:38:59,840 --> 00:39:03,440 Speaker 3: goes to trial, he's probably gonna I if his defense 775 00:39:03,520 --> 00:39:05,759 Speaker 3: is smart, they'll do some sort of insanity defense. He'll 776 00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:08,040 Speaker 3: be sent to a psychiatric place. Like he's now always 777 00:39:08,080 --> 00:39:11,000 Speaker 3: going to be watched, he is being moved around by 778 00:39:11,160 --> 00:39:14,759 Speaker 3: government agents, like he is living the thing that he 779 00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:18,439 Speaker 3: was writing about. And I find that that second half 780 00:39:18,600 --> 00:39:22,000 Speaker 3: of like him being caught also a compelling like a 781 00:39:22,080 --> 00:39:24,480 Speaker 3: compelling thing that he was preparing himself for. 782 00:39:25,480 --> 00:39:29,160 Speaker 2: And it I mean he is he expresses repeatedly variations 783 00:39:29,160 --> 00:39:31,680 Speaker 2: of like because the FBI and the CIA are constantly 784 00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:34,680 Speaker 2: in this book, and also like constantly just like people 785 00:39:34,880 --> 00:39:38,879 Speaker 2: coming into his life around him, which again is part 786 00:39:38,920 --> 00:39:41,480 Speaker 2: of this delusion. But also you can see how a 787 00:39:41,560 --> 00:39:45,040 Speaker 2: lot of these common right wing tropes about like everything 788 00:39:45,160 --> 00:39:48,240 Speaker 2: is infiltrated by the Feds January sixth with the Federal 789 00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:50,160 Speaker 2: op and stuff. How this is also going to feed 790 00:39:50,239 --> 00:39:53,560 Speaker 2: into the delusions of a guy like this, right, like 791 00:39:53,640 --> 00:39:56,960 Speaker 2: he's very much this is very much ripped from the headlines, 792 00:39:57,080 --> 00:39:59,800 Speaker 2: and that you can see how things he was encounter 793 00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:04,960 Speaker 2: and like conspiracy culture and popular media grafted themselves on 794 00:40:05,160 --> 00:40:08,160 Speaker 2: to the delusions that he had. Yeah, you can also 795 00:40:08,280 --> 00:40:11,080 Speaker 2: see I turned randomly to a page I haven't gotten 796 00:40:11,120 --> 00:40:13,439 Speaker 2: to yet in this book two sixty and the first 797 00:40:13,520 --> 00:40:15,279 Speaker 2: line I saw in the middle of the page is, 798 00:40:15,719 --> 00:40:18,000 Speaker 2: let's fucking kill them and then eat them a midget 799 00:40:18,040 --> 00:40:20,000 Speaker 2: and a wheelchair, yelled, holding an RPG. 800 00:40:20,640 --> 00:40:25,839 Speaker 3: So there's quite a lot in this book, All right, Well, 801 00:40:26,600 --> 00:40:28,000 Speaker 3: well then I don't know. 802 00:40:28,040 --> 00:40:30,120 Speaker 2: What the line of good taste and is, Like I 803 00:40:30,160 --> 00:40:33,000 Speaker 2: think it's I don't think we'll keep going back to this. 804 00:40:33,200 --> 00:40:34,920 Speaker 2: I felt justified and like, well, I want to know 805 00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:37,759 Speaker 2: what's in this thing once. It seems kind of bad 806 00:40:37,880 --> 00:40:41,359 Speaker 2: to keep doing that with this guy who murdered people's book. 807 00:40:41,440 --> 00:40:43,359 Speaker 2: But man, there's a lot in here. 808 00:40:43,840 --> 00:40:46,640 Speaker 3: Oh, and there is a use in understanding how these 809 00:40:46,680 --> 00:40:53,520 Speaker 3: people think and unpacking the sorts of large, large swaths 810 00:40:53,560 --> 00:40:57,040 Speaker 3: of content that people that are doing these mass acts 811 00:40:57,080 --> 00:40:59,400 Speaker 3: of violence or very targeted acts of violence have been 812 00:40:59,480 --> 00:41:02,800 Speaker 3: leaving online because it allows you to actually get a 813 00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:07,480 Speaker 3: better look at overarching patterns. Specifically, his songs for me 814 00:41:07,560 --> 00:41:10,560 Speaker 3: are are very very evident of that. Yeah, Like they're 815 00:41:10,680 --> 00:41:12,320 Speaker 3: very similar to a lot of stuff you were you 816 00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:15,919 Speaker 3: were reading the book, like he has the The song 817 00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:17,920 Speaker 3: about him being tracked on his phone is called they 818 00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:21,600 Speaker 3: came for Justin Moan. Yeah, they found him all alone, 819 00:41:22,560 --> 00:41:25,320 Speaker 3: they tracked him on his phone. He talks about the 820 00:41:25,840 --> 00:41:28,440 Speaker 3: student loans that he couldn't pay off, the payments made 821 00:41:28,520 --> 00:41:31,680 Speaker 3: him grown, money controlled his life. They wanted him to 822 00:41:31,880 --> 00:41:35,360 Speaker 3: die just like this, all all of just all this stuff. 823 00:41:36,120 --> 00:41:41,760 Speaker 3: They said he was God. They came for Justin Moan. Yeah. Anyway, 824 00:41:41,880 --> 00:41:44,959 Speaker 3: it's it's it's it's it's it's not to like laugh 825 00:41:45,080 --> 00:41:49,560 Speaker 3: at him necessarily, it's it's about actually understanding this and yeah, 826 00:41:49,600 --> 00:41:51,320 Speaker 3: this is all fucked up. So a part of a 827 00:41:51,360 --> 00:41:53,440 Speaker 3: coping mechanism is kind of laughing at some of the 828 00:41:53,520 --> 00:41:57,360 Speaker 3: more ridiculous elements, but it's it is. It is an 829 00:41:57,400 --> 00:42:01,600 Speaker 3: attempt to actually understand this, this growing trend in American culture. 830 00:42:02,120 --> 00:42:05,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, because you can't just like and this is the 831 00:42:05,440 --> 00:42:08,719 Speaker 2: thing that the right often once it wants to do 832 00:42:08,840 --> 00:42:10,600 Speaker 2: with this, is like, well, this is just a mental 833 00:42:10,640 --> 00:42:13,719 Speaker 2: illness problem, and like, no, it's not like you have 834 00:42:13,880 --> 00:42:18,360 Speaker 2: to understand it's American culture. Yeah, what's going into people's heads, 835 00:42:18,520 --> 00:42:22,239 Speaker 2: even if they also have, you know, are mentally ill, 836 00:42:22,320 --> 00:42:25,279 Speaker 2: what's going into their heads what they believe about the 837 00:42:25,360 --> 00:42:28,840 Speaker 2: world influences how they act on those delusions and the 838 00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:30,320 Speaker 2: nature of those delusions. 839 00:42:30,680 --> 00:42:33,160 Speaker 3: This is what happens to your brain when it entirely 840 00:42:33,239 --> 00:42:36,239 Speaker 3: becomes corrupted by the culture of war like this is. 841 00:42:36,360 --> 00:42:39,400 Speaker 3: This has now taken over his entire method of thinking. 842 00:42:39,920 --> 00:42:41,839 Speaker 3: This is the only way you can see the world. 843 00:42:42,200 --> 00:42:44,640 Speaker 3: And there's people who are paid to get people to 844 00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:46,680 Speaker 3: be like this, like this is this is people's whole 845 00:42:46,760 --> 00:42:49,879 Speaker 3: job is to get more and more people to only 846 00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:53,320 Speaker 3: think in these terms. Yeah, and this is one of 847 00:42:53,400 --> 00:42:56,200 Speaker 3: the results of that, of that effort by elements of 848 00:42:56,239 --> 00:42:56,920 Speaker 3: the American right. 849 00:42:57,600 --> 00:43:02,959 Speaker 2: Yeah, anyway, it's bad. 850 00:43:03,480 --> 00:43:07,239 Speaker 3: That'll be a good book to explain to a young 851 00:43:07,400 --> 00:43:11,640 Speaker 3: child in fifty years. Why why is this on your bookshelf. Well, 852 00:43:12,280 --> 00:43:14,680 Speaker 3: let me tell you they've just in mode. 853 00:43:14,920 --> 00:43:16,759 Speaker 2: If I ever have a kid, Garrison, this will be 854 00:43:16,840 --> 00:43:17,839 Speaker 2: the first book they rate. 855 00:43:17,960 --> 00:43:20,400 Speaker 3: Nobody. 856 00:43:21,440 --> 00:43:24,960 Speaker 2: Well, let's uh, let's be done, Let's let's go away, goodbye. 857 00:43:30,400 --> 00:43:32,760 Speaker 1: It Could Happen here as a production of cool Zone Media. 858 00:43:33,000 --> 00:43:35,640 Speaker 1: For more podcasts from cool Zone Media, visit our website 859 00:43:35,719 --> 00:43:37,880 Speaker 1: cool zonemedia dot com, or check us out on the 860 00:43:37,960 --> 00:43:41,320 Speaker 1: iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to podcasts. 861 00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:43,880 Speaker 1: You can find sources for It Could Happen Here, updated 862 00:43:43,960 --> 00:43:47,960 Speaker 1: monthly at cool zonemedia dot com slash sources. 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