1 00:00:00,280 --> 00:00:04,560 Speaker 1: Hi, everybody, how are you? It is? Uh, let's see 2 00:00:04,600 --> 00:00:10,080 Speaker 1: the ninth of September twenty night twenty twenty one, almost 3 00:00:10,119 --> 00:00:13,200 Speaker 1: got the year wrong by two years. And this is 4 00:00:13,240 --> 00:00:16,320 Speaker 1: the Luke Thomas Live Chat. I am your host, Luke Thomas, 5 00:00:16,680 --> 00:00:22,040 Speaker 1: and yeah, how are you doing? Episode eighty six. We're chilling. 6 00:00:22,600 --> 00:00:26,760 Speaker 1: I just came straight from the motherfucking gem so sorry 7 00:00:26,800 --> 00:00:28,920 Speaker 1: about that. Traffic was really bad. It took me Usually 8 00:00:29,000 --> 00:00:30,600 Speaker 1: it takes me fifteen minutes again home, it took me 9 00:00:30,640 --> 00:00:33,360 Speaker 1: forty five, which fucking sucked. So I got sweat stands 10 00:00:33,400 --> 00:00:35,199 Speaker 1: and I look like shit. But that's normally You're used 11 00:00:35,240 --> 00:00:36,680 Speaker 1: to that, aren't you. I think you are all right. 12 00:00:36,720 --> 00:00:39,279 Speaker 1: I'm rambling on today's program. We'll talk about trillery whatever 13 00:00:39,320 --> 00:00:40,639 Speaker 1: else is really on your mind. You guys know how 14 00:00:40,640 --> 00:00:43,040 Speaker 1: this goes. I put up a thread on Thursday on 15 00:00:43,080 --> 00:00:44,920 Speaker 1: the community section of the website. People fill it up 16 00:00:44,920 --> 00:00:46,680 Speaker 1: and then we get to it. Blah blah blah blah blah. Okay, 17 00:00:46,880 --> 00:00:51,160 Speaker 1: so first thing's first thumbs up on the video click it? Okay, 18 00:00:51,200 --> 00:00:56,040 Speaker 1: good subscribe If you haven't talking to you, yes, you 19 00:00:56,600 --> 00:00:59,720 Speaker 1: in the back, you hit subscribe. Thank you, Thank you 20 00:00:59,760 --> 00:01:03,960 Speaker 1: for subscribe. I appreciate that. All right, without further ado, 21 00:01:04,000 --> 00:01:16,440 Speaker 1: Let's get this party started, shall we, and we're back. 22 00:01:16,440 --> 00:01:20,440 Speaker 1: All right, I'll turn this off and let's get to 23 00:01:20,600 --> 00:01:25,680 Speaker 1: the questions. How was everybody doing? I am doing well. 24 00:01:25,800 --> 00:01:27,800 Speaker 1: Oh good thing. My neighbor has decided to mow his 25 00:01:27,920 --> 00:01:29,960 Speaker 1: yard twice in the same week, actually twice in the 26 00:01:30,040 --> 00:01:33,160 Speaker 1: last two days, and it's doing it right when I 27 00:01:33,160 --> 00:01:35,760 Speaker 1: have programming. I really appreciate that about him. Nice guy. 28 00:01:36,120 --> 00:01:56,560 Speaker 1: All right, let's do this cycle less. All right? Did 29 00:01:56,600 --> 00:01:59,400 Speaker 1: you ever think about going to graduate school and pursuing 30 00:01:59,440 --> 00:02:02,080 Speaker 1: a career in academia? Did I ever think about it? Yes? 31 00:02:02,120 --> 00:02:05,440 Speaker 1: I did think about it. You have all of the 32 00:02:05,560 --> 00:02:09,480 Speaker 1: terrible personality traits required to be a successful academic. Sincerely 33 00:02:10,200 --> 00:02:13,600 Speaker 1: a neuroscience PhD candidate. Well, assuming that that is actually true, 34 00:02:13,639 --> 00:02:16,880 Speaker 1: I'll take that as flattering. Yeah, my dad wanted me 35 00:02:16,919 --> 00:02:22,840 Speaker 1: to go into academia, thought about it, thought about it, 36 00:02:22,880 --> 00:02:25,239 Speaker 1: but very much glad that I didn't, considering there was 37 00:02:25,240 --> 00:02:30,160 Speaker 1: hardly any jobs and tenure track is extremely difficult to get. 38 00:02:30,360 --> 00:02:32,000 Speaker 1: You know, I didn't really plan for this to be 39 00:02:32,040 --> 00:02:34,720 Speaker 1: in my life either, candidly, but I don't know. Once 40 00:02:34,800 --> 00:02:36,519 Speaker 1: I was done with schooling. I'm not to say I 41 00:02:36,600 --> 00:02:38,480 Speaker 1: was done, because I've always sort of tried to maintain 42 00:02:38,520 --> 00:02:48,639 Speaker 1: lifelong learning just a little bit but more time. But yes, 43 00:02:48,720 --> 00:02:51,080 Speaker 1: I did give it thought, just not much more than 44 00:02:51,760 --> 00:02:53,799 Speaker 1: a little bit of thought. I'll put it that way. 45 00:02:54,840 --> 00:03:04,079 Speaker 1: All right, Let's see, all right, many have called Jake 46 00:03:04,120 --> 00:03:08,480 Speaker 1: Paul and his fights a circus YouTube boxing celebrity boxing. 47 00:03:08,520 --> 00:03:10,680 Speaker 1: But with the fact that Paul versus Woody did very 48 00:03:10,680 --> 00:03:12,760 Speaker 1: well in terms of build up buys and being competitive, 49 00:03:13,480 --> 00:03:15,120 Speaker 1: do you think Jake Paul fights are going to become 50 00:03:15,160 --> 00:03:18,280 Speaker 1: normalized in boxing rather than a subgenre of boxing. No, 51 00:03:18,440 --> 00:03:22,280 Speaker 1: I don't. I don't really know what the long term 52 00:03:22,320 --> 00:03:25,600 Speaker 1: play is for Jike Paul. I mean, you know, this 53 00:03:25,680 --> 00:03:30,000 Speaker 1: is the interesting part about being like here, Okay, from 54 00:03:30,000 --> 00:03:32,880 Speaker 1: what I can tell, I'm not nearly as popular on 55 00:03:32,919 --> 00:03:36,000 Speaker 1: YouTube as as these guys have been, right, very very much, 56 00:03:36,040 --> 00:03:38,800 Speaker 1: not in the same ballpark. But I've been on YouTube 57 00:03:38,840 --> 00:03:41,600 Speaker 1: just paying attention to least some degree about those of 58 00:03:41,640 --> 00:03:45,119 Speaker 1: the trends and what happens. There was a while there 59 00:03:45,160 --> 00:03:47,760 Speaker 1: where these guys were all I don't know if they 60 00:03:47,760 --> 00:03:51,520 Speaker 1: were proclaiming that they were rap artists, but like they 61 00:03:51,520 --> 00:03:55,760 Speaker 1: were putting out disk tracks and all other kinds of stuff, 62 00:03:55,800 --> 00:03:59,320 Speaker 1: and the videos would do really well in terms of 63 00:03:59,320 --> 00:04:02,440 Speaker 1: like YouTube metrics, but it never really resulted in much 64 00:04:02,480 --> 00:04:05,000 Speaker 1: beyond sort of just that. Now this is a leap 65 00:04:05,080 --> 00:04:08,600 Speaker 1: into you know, Showtime as a partner for the broadcasting 66 00:04:08,640 --> 00:04:13,240 Speaker 1: and promotional side of things, obviously. But what I've noticed 67 00:04:13,360 --> 00:04:15,040 Speaker 1: was one of these YouTube guys is that they go 68 00:04:15,080 --> 00:04:17,520 Speaker 1: through these phases where they're doing one thing and it 69 00:04:17,600 --> 00:04:19,440 Speaker 1: lasts a little while, they take it, you know, about 70 00:04:19,480 --> 00:04:21,400 Speaker 1: as far as it's gonna go, and then they just 71 00:04:21,440 --> 00:04:24,120 Speaker 1: move to the next thing, and because the audience is 72 00:04:24,160 --> 00:04:27,600 Speaker 1: interested in them, they just kind of go along with it. Now, 73 00:04:27,600 --> 00:04:29,960 Speaker 1: there might be more to the market about YouTube boxing. 74 00:04:30,040 --> 00:04:33,640 Speaker 1: Where is there a market for people with these large 75 00:04:33,640 --> 00:04:36,960 Speaker 1: audiences on these online digital platforms for young people and 76 00:04:36,960 --> 00:04:39,440 Speaker 1: they sort of settle their disputes that way, or you know, 77 00:04:39,640 --> 00:04:41,839 Speaker 1: generate interest for themselves that way. You know, there might 78 00:04:41,880 --> 00:04:44,200 Speaker 1: be something to that long term, but I have found that, 79 00:04:44,839 --> 00:04:50,960 Speaker 1: you know, Internet trends and developments they don't last all 80 00:04:51,120 --> 00:04:54,400 Speaker 1: that long. And this is still from that and more 81 00:04:54,400 --> 00:04:56,320 Speaker 1: to the point, like, dude, what is the what is 82 00:04:56,360 --> 00:04:58,479 Speaker 1: the endgame here? Like what you can say about Jake Paul, 83 00:04:58,520 --> 00:05:00,839 Speaker 1: I think in a generous way. Right, we'll do both 84 00:05:00,839 --> 00:05:02,600 Speaker 1: here in just a second, But in a generous way. 85 00:05:03,560 --> 00:05:06,400 Speaker 1: He is an incredibly good self promoter. He's very good. 86 00:05:06,440 --> 00:05:09,120 Speaker 1: He's better than most fighters I've ever covered, but by far, 87 00:05:10,120 --> 00:05:12,719 Speaker 1: he's very very good at that, and I think he 88 00:05:12,839 --> 00:05:16,080 Speaker 1: understands his worth. He's good at like applying that. You know, 89 00:05:16,120 --> 00:05:17,920 Speaker 1: he ran fifty percent of that show for folks who 90 00:05:17,960 --> 00:05:21,080 Speaker 1: don't realize, like the open workouts, and I don't know 91 00:05:21,120 --> 00:05:22,760 Speaker 1: about the way ends, but I think the weigh ends too. 92 00:05:22,800 --> 00:05:25,640 Speaker 1: But like the open workouts, the presser and then the 93 00:05:25,680 --> 00:05:28,640 Speaker 1: weigh ends, Showtime broadcasts them. But those were Jake Paul 94 00:05:28,720 --> 00:05:32,560 Speaker 1: MVP productions, Like they ran those, those were their things. 95 00:05:32,640 --> 00:05:37,640 Speaker 1: Showtime didn't run those. Half of the broadcast was controlled 96 00:05:37,680 --> 00:05:40,520 Speaker 1: by MVP, or at least you know, up front, they 97 00:05:40,560 --> 00:05:42,400 Speaker 1: made some demands about what kind of things that they 98 00:05:42,480 --> 00:05:46,359 Speaker 1: wanted from, you know, what was plugged and what was 99 00:05:46,400 --> 00:05:48,080 Speaker 1: on the ring, and what kind of talent was you, 100 00:05:48,160 --> 00:05:50,359 Speaker 1: I mean, all kinds of stuff was he had a 101 00:05:50,400 --> 00:05:54,240 Speaker 1: hand in, Like, he has such a clear understanding of 102 00:05:54,760 --> 00:05:59,279 Speaker 1: what a high level prize fighter can do in terms 103 00:05:59,320 --> 00:06:02,400 Speaker 1: of terry reward, what those numbers look like how to 104 00:06:02,440 --> 00:06:04,479 Speaker 1: promote a fight, how to sell a fight, how to 105 00:06:04,480 --> 00:06:07,680 Speaker 1: fight an opponent. You know, like on that level, he 106 00:06:07,800 --> 00:06:11,000 Speaker 1: is quite adept. But you know what people keep asking me, like, 107 00:06:11,120 --> 00:06:13,919 Speaker 1: is he good? No, he is not good. No, he 108 00:06:14,000 --> 00:06:16,600 Speaker 1: is not good. He is not good. He's never going 109 00:06:16,680 --> 00:06:18,520 Speaker 1: to be good in all likelihood, And that's not a 110 00:06:18,560 --> 00:06:21,760 Speaker 1: knock on him. He might beat fighters from MMA that 111 00:06:21,839 --> 00:06:25,320 Speaker 1: you respect. I think that's certainly possible. But the reality 112 00:06:25,400 --> 00:06:29,040 Speaker 1: is this, he picked up boxing in his twenties. Basically, 113 00:06:29,080 --> 00:06:30,240 Speaker 1: what is he twenty four? He'd be doing it for 114 00:06:30,240 --> 00:06:32,360 Speaker 1: three years, So he picked it up boxing at twenty one, 115 00:06:32,960 --> 00:06:36,359 Speaker 1: which is insanely late. I've told you guys the story 116 00:06:36,360 --> 00:06:38,520 Speaker 1: of Seth Mitchell. Even a guy who like that, who 117 00:06:38,600 --> 00:06:41,640 Speaker 1: was a D one Michigan state athlete in a weak 118 00:06:41,720 --> 00:06:44,960 Speaker 1: division at heavyweight, even he ran into a roadblock word 119 00:06:45,000 --> 00:06:47,040 Speaker 1: that there was just no coming back from it. Now. Granted, 120 00:06:48,240 --> 00:06:51,520 Speaker 1: he also I think had not brain damage in the 121 00:06:51,560 --> 00:06:53,719 Speaker 1: sense where like you know, he was slurring his speech, 122 00:06:53,760 --> 00:06:56,640 Speaker 1: but he had a career in football American football prior 123 00:06:56,680 --> 00:06:59,760 Speaker 1: to going into boxing, and I think it didn't make 124 00:06:59,800 --> 00:07:03,800 Speaker 1: his chin his strongest suit. Jake doesn't seem to have 125 00:07:03,880 --> 00:07:07,040 Speaker 1: some of those issues for now anyway, But what's the 126 00:07:07,160 --> 00:07:10,880 Speaker 1: endgame here? Right the minute he fights somebody who's actually 127 00:07:10,920 --> 00:07:13,080 Speaker 1: really good, it will probably go quite bad for him. 128 00:07:13,720 --> 00:07:16,760 Speaker 1: So I'm guessing he's going to avoid that. So then 129 00:07:16,800 --> 00:07:18,840 Speaker 1: what he'll do is he'll try to find these other names, 130 00:07:18,880 --> 00:07:20,960 Speaker 1: and maybe that can go on for longer than I 131 00:07:21,080 --> 00:07:24,000 Speaker 1: expect or you expect. Like I don't know exactly what 132 00:07:24,040 --> 00:07:25,840 Speaker 1: the showf life on that is, but at some point 133 00:07:26,040 --> 00:07:28,040 Speaker 1: even that will run its course. You're just gonna have 134 00:07:28,080 --> 00:07:30,120 Speaker 1: all you're gonna you know, you're gonna have twenty fights 135 00:07:30,800 --> 00:07:34,640 Speaker 1: against people who everyone sort of universally recognizes as maybe 136 00:07:34,720 --> 00:07:37,640 Speaker 1: something of an interesting opponent, but otherwise, you know, this 137 00:07:37,720 --> 00:07:39,800 Speaker 1: is all fairly low level. I don't I don't really 138 00:07:39,840 --> 00:07:41,280 Speaker 1: think that, And I think he also he got a 139 00:07:41,280 --> 00:07:43,080 Speaker 1: bit of a taste against Tyron Woodley about like what 140 00:07:43,120 --> 00:07:45,720 Speaker 1: happens when you go up against a real athlete with 141 00:07:45,760 --> 00:07:48,520 Speaker 1: at least some combat sports experience, even if striking peer 142 00:07:48,600 --> 00:07:51,480 Speaker 1: striking anyway is not necessarily there is not at all 143 00:07:51,520 --> 00:07:54,600 Speaker 1: their background. Striking was involved obviously in his background, but 144 00:07:54,640 --> 00:07:56,880 Speaker 1: not in this particular way, and he was you know, 145 00:07:58,000 --> 00:08:00,160 Speaker 1: I think the numbers are pretty clear that Tyren it's 146 00:08:00,160 --> 00:08:02,720 Speaker 1: been gunshy for a while, or at least, you know, 147 00:08:02,720 --> 00:08:06,040 Speaker 1: whatever the situation is, has not thrown with volume, whatever 148 00:08:06,120 --> 00:08:09,400 Speaker 1: the reason, why not. So do I think that Jake 149 00:08:09,400 --> 00:08:11,520 Speaker 1: Paul fights are going to become normalized in boxing rather 150 00:08:11,560 --> 00:08:14,560 Speaker 1: than a subgenre of it. I mean, in some sense 151 00:08:14,560 --> 00:08:17,400 Speaker 1: they already have become normalized. But I just don't see 152 00:08:17,440 --> 00:08:19,840 Speaker 1: this as a long term trend. I think he's he's 153 00:08:19,880 --> 00:08:21,680 Speaker 1: doing the Mike Chandler bit. He's not here for a 154 00:08:21,720 --> 00:08:24,520 Speaker 1: long time. He's here for a good time, so watch 155 00:08:24,560 --> 00:08:28,520 Speaker 1: them while they're here or not up to you. But 156 00:08:28,800 --> 00:08:32,160 Speaker 1: I just don't think it's possible to compete even at cruiserweight, 157 00:08:33,520 --> 00:08:36,240 Speaker 1: you know, or light heavyweight whatever he eventually gets down 158 00:08:36,280 --> 00:08:40,800 Speaker 1: to starting boxing at twenty one, and to actually get good, 159 00:08:41,080 --> 00:08:44,760 Speaker 1: it's just not really possible. You've got guys, you know, 160 00:08:44,840 --> 00:08:48,439 Speaker 1: who've been doing that and nothing else since they were 161 00:08:48,559 --> 00:08:54,000 Speaker 1: six or something, and you know, for a celebrity, he 162 00:08:54,040 --> 00:08:58,480 Speaker 1: can box. For a boxer, he's a celebrity. It's the 163 00:08:58,520 --> 00:09:05,640 Speaker 1: best way I can explain it. Is t Tour going 164 00:09:05,679 --> 00:09:08,559 Speaker 1: to kill a Vander Holyfield or would the real deal 165 00:09:08,679 --> 00:09:10,520 Speaker 1: make a decent account of himself. I asked this after 166 00:09:10,559 --> 00:09:12,840 Speaker 1: seeing him hit the pads in that video. Yeah, so, 167 00:09:13,040 --> 00:09:18,160 Speaker 1: Marcos vijegis over at Fight Hub was in. I think 168 00:09:18,240 --> 00:09:19,760 Speaker 1: Danny Seguraz there too. I don't know if he filmed 169 00:09:19,760 --> 00:09:23,640 Speaker 1: the open workout, but there was an open workout. Let 170 00:09:23,640 --> 00:09:25,640 Speaker 1: me just say this, first of all, it wasn't like 171 00:09:25,760 --> 00:09:28,280 Speaker 1: Vtor looked super awesome on the mits either. I mean, 172 00:09:28,679 --> 00:09:31,720 Speaker 1: to me, like he was having difficulty understanding the boxing 173 00:09:31,760 --> 00:09:34,360 Speaker 1: combinations his coach was calling for. It wasn't like he 174 00:09:34,440 --> 00:09:37,480 Speaker 1: was blowing him up himself. But you know, hard to 175 00:09:37,480 --> 00:09:39,640 Speaker 1: know exactly how much effort is being put into an 176 00:09:39,679 --> 00:09:44,280 Speaker 1: open workout, especially with all the craziness that's happening there. Listen, 177 00:09:44,320 --> 00:09:46,480 Speaker 1: here's the thing with Evander Holyfield, because I've gotten some 178 00:09:46,520 --> 00:09:48,240 Speaker 1: pushback from folks being like, how do you know it's 179 00:09:48,280 --> 00:09:50,800 Speaker 1: going to go back? I don't. I don't know what 180 00:09:50,840 --> 00:09:53,040 Speaker 1: that it's going to go about. I am not miss Cleo. 181 00:09:53,120 --> 00:09:55,640 Speaker 1: I cannot which is very nineties reference, But I'm not 182 00:09:55,679 --> 00:09:58,000 Speaker 1: a fortune teller. I'm not. I don't know how it's 183 00:09:58,040 --> 00:10:00,000 Speaker 1: going to go. The issue is not how I know 184 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:02,240 Speaker 1: I know it's going to go. The issue is what 185 00:10:02,360 --> 00:10:05,440 Speaker 1: we know about risk factors related to age and other 186 00:10:06,200 --> 00:10:09,240 Speaker 1: health related concerns about Evander, as well as some other 187 00:10:09,280 --> 00:10:11,280 Speaker 1: promotional concerns which I'll talk about just a second, and 188 00:10:11,280 --> 00:10:14,400 Speaker 1: what that ultimately totals up to in how you assess Chris. 189 00:10:14,559 --> 00:10:16,800 Speaker 1: Here is something that I have just realized over time. 190 00:10:17,360 --> 00:10:19,880 Speaker 1: Not that I'm like the old and wise guy of 191 00:10:19,920 --> 00:10:21,760 Speaker 1: the MMA world. That's not really it either, But I 192 00:10:21,800 --> 00:10:24,840 Speaker 1: am old enough now where I can see my life 193 00:10:24,880 --> 00:10:27,920 Speaker 1: in decades. I've got four of them under my belt. Okay, 194 00:10:28,040 --> 00:10:30,520 Speaker 1: four decades under my belt, and each one was very 195 00:10:30,559 --> 00:10:35,679 Speaker 1: distinct in their own way. And what you learn, at 196 00:10:35,760 --> 00:10:38,160 Speaker 1: least what I feel like I have learned, I'll put 197 00:10:38,160 --> 00:10:41,200 Speaker 1: it that way. What I feel like I have learned 198 00:10:41,920 --> 00:10:45,280 Speaker 1: is that you get when you go through school, especially early, 199 00:10:45,840 --> 00:10:49,120 Speaker 1: you get taught about these big, grand world events. And 200 00:10:49,160 --> 00:10:51,360 Speaker 1: two things always occurred to me. One they seemed so 201 00:10:51,480 --> 00:10:54,520 Speaker 1: far in the past, and then two, they seemed like 202 00:10:54,559 --> 00:10:57,200 Speaker 1: the kinds of things that would affect someone else's life, 203 00:10:57,840 --> 00:10:59,679 Speaker 1: not the life that I was in. And I don't 204 00:10:59,679 --> 00:11:02,120 Speaker 1: mean to say that it existed in a far away country, 205 00:11:02,120 --> 00:11:04,679 Speaker 1: but I mean, oh this, these events are so rare. 206 00:11:05,679 --> 00:11:08,200 Speaker 1: They won't happen within my lifetime. It will take several 207 00:11:08,240 --> 00:11:10,120 Speaker 1: lifetimes for that to happen. It turns out it's just 208 00:11:10,160 --> 00:11:14,000 Speaker 1: not really true. You know, up to about age seventeen 209 00:11:14,440 --> 00:11:20,280 Speaker 1: or so, the world was fairly fairly predictable. I mean, yeah, 210 00:11:20,320 --> 00:11:22,360 Speaker 1: there was the Gulf War and that set off a 211 00:11:22,360 --> 00:11:24,840 Speaker 1: series of events that you know later produce would have produced. 212 00:11:24,840 --> 00:11:31,280 Speaker 1: But in general, like, it was fairly peaceful, the economy 213 00:11:31,400 --> 00:11:36,440 Speaker 1: was it didn't crater out, crime drop precipitously. During my 214 00:11:36,480 --> 00:11:39,920 Speaker 1: lifetime through age twenty, you know, it was just fairly 215 00:11:41,200 --> 00:11:43,439 Speaker 1: it's everything seemed to go where everything was going to 216 00:11:43,520 --> 00:11:46,640 Speaker 1: be peaceful and normal and ordinary for the most part 217 00:11:47,000 --> 00:11:48,680 Speaker 1: for a life, and then everything after nine to eleven 218 00:11:48,760 --> 00:11:50,480 Speaker 1: just completely blew that up. You had nine to eleven 219 00:11:50,520 --> 00:11:52,520 Speaker 1: where the country was attacked, you had a find you know, 220 00:11:52,600 --> 00:11:56,520 Speaker 1: seven years later you had profound financial calamity, and then 221 00:11:56,800 --> 00:11:58,640 Speaker 1: you know, they're just that. Now you have this sort 222 00:11:58,640 --> 00:12:02,079 Speaker 1: of decline in the trust of institutions, which has any 223 00:12:02,240 --> 00:12:06,840 Speaker 1: number of effects in how the world people see the world. 224 00:12:06,840 --> 00:12:08,640 Speaker 1: But you might be asking what it has to do 225 00:12:08,679 --> 00:12:10,240 Speaker 1: with this. Here's what I mean to say. I do 226 00:12:10,320 --> 00:12:13,880 Speaker 1: not know that Evander Holyfield is going to suffer a 227 00:12:14,000 --> 00:12:16,960 Speaker 1: deep physical trauma on Saturday. I have no idea. In fact, 228 00:12:17,440 --> 00:12:20,800 Speaker 1: I remember distinctly it was again different situation, but I 229 00:12:20,840 --> 00:12:24,280 Speaker 1: remember distinctly when Tim Sylvia was supposed to fight Ray Mercer, 230 00:12:24,320 --> 00:12:25,720 Speaker 1: and there was a whole thing there about are they 231 00:12:25,760 --> 00:12:27,040 Speaker 1: going to fight in a cage in a ring and 232 00:12:27,080 --> 00:12:29,360 Speaker 1: blah blah blah, what kind of gloves? And then Ray 233 00:12:29,360 --> 00:12:31,160 Speaker 1: Mercer went in there and just completely starched him and 234 00:12:31,160 --> 00:12:33,880 Speaker 1: toppled him, and like that was very shocking at the time. Granted, 235 00:12:33,960 --> 00:12:36,880 Speaker 1: Ray Mercer didn't have the same documented issues that Evander did, 236 00:12:36,920 --> 00:12:38,679 Speaker 1: and he was also I think like twelve years younger 237 00:12:38,720 --> 00:12:43,040 Speaker 1: than Evander is now or something. But nevertheless, like, is 238 00:12:43,080 --> 00:12:45,280 Speaker 1: it possible that Evander could go in there and just 239 00:12:45,320 --> 00:12:49,480 Speaker 1: absolutely starch Vitor, who himself is not necessarily a young guy. Yes, 240 00:12:49,520 --> 00:12:52,760 Speaker 1: it is. I cannot say that that is not something 241 00:12:52,800 --> 00:12:54,880 Speaker 1: that could happen. Of course, it could happen, but that's 242 00:12:54,920 --> 00:12:57,280 Speaker 1: really not what I'm banking on. What I'm banking on 243 00:12:57,360 --> 00:13:00,720 Speaker 1: as an assessment of a larger picture of risk. Right, 244 00:13:00,760 --> 00:13:02,120 Speaker 1: you have a fifty eight year old guy who'll be 245 00:13:02,160 --> 00:13:04,880 Speaker 1: fifty nine in less than a month. Okay, So I'd 246 00:13:04,920 --> 00:13:08,040 Speaker 1: say really almost about sixty who even sixteen years ago 247 00:13:08,080 --> 00:13:11,000 Speaker 1: in New York was basically admonished by the Commission and 248 00:13:11,040 --> 00:13:13,360 Speaker 1: was told like, your business in the state in terms 249 00:13:13,400 --> 00:13:17,320 Speaker 1: of being regulated to fight professionally is over. He had 250 00:13:18,160 --> 00:13:21,400 Speaker 1: threatened basically litigation with Triller because he was supposed to 251 00:13:21,400 --> 00:13:23,719 Speaker 1: get to fight against Peter McNeely, which still would have 252 00:13:23,760 --> 00:13:28,760 Speaker 1: sucked but doesn't seem nearly as dangerous, and California said, 253 00:13:28,760 --> 00:13:30,720 Speaker 1: I'm not touching that shit with a ten foot poll. 254 00:13:30,720 --> 00:13:33,600 Speaker 1: You can go fuck yourself. So they went commission shopping 255 00:13:33,800 --> 00:13:36,640 Speaker 1: on a week's notice, probably I don't know it's for sure, 256 00:13:36,679 --> 00:13:39,959 Speaker 1: but probably to resolve a litigation issue. And you've got 257 00:13:40,200 --> 00:13:45,520 Speaker 1: Vitor belfor who you know, looks at least somewhat rejuvenated 258 00:13:45,559 --> 00:13:48,360 Speaker 1: since his departure from UFC. Is he on any kind 259 00:13:48,360 --> 00:13:50,120 Speaker 1: of performance an nancing drug. I don't know, but I 260 00:13:50,160 --> 00:13:52,760 Speaker 1: don't think that question is necessarily out of bounds either. 261 00:13:53,240 --> 00:13:57,080 Speaker 1: In other words, between the immediacy of how it was developed, 262 00:13:57,120 --> 00:14:01,080 Speaker 1: the documented long time history of Evanders health issues, by 263 00:14:01,080 --> 00:14:05,000 Speaker 1: the way, financial woes as well, this situation to resolve 264 00:14:05,080 --> 00:14:07,920 Speaker 1: any potential litigation, and then commission shopping on top of it. 265 00:14:08,280 --> 00:14:11,080 Speaker 1: To me, when you stack that up, that is not 266 00:14:11,120 --> 00:14:15,560 Speaker 1: a guarantee of disaster, but it courts enough risk that 267 00:14:15,640 --> 00:14:18,520 Speaker 1: you should say I don't really agree with rolling the dice. 268 00:14:18,679 --> 00:14:21,600 Speaker 1: The big lesson from my life is that what's the 269 00:14:21,800 --> 00:14:26,400 Speaker 1: likeliest outcome on Saturday. Maybe it'll be fine, it might 270 00:14:26,440 --> 00:14:30,000 Speaker 1: be fine, it might be fine. But I've lived enough 271 00:14:30,360 --> 00:14:34,600 Speaker 1: life now, just enough to see that those scenarios that 272 00:14:34,680 --> 00:14:39,320 Speaker 1: seemed so distant, that seemed so infrequent, they're not that infrequent, 273 00:14:39,840 --> 00:14:43,240 Speaker 1: and they're not that distant. Bad shit happens in your 274 00:14:43,440 --> 00:14:47,040 Speaker 1: if you live long enough, real that, dude, life will 275 00:14:47,160 --> 00:14:52,040 Speaker 1: fucking smack you around. Like let it be known, and 276 00:14:52,840 --> 00:14:56,400 Speaker 1: in different ways to different people, for different lengths, for 277 00:14:56,480 --> 00:15:01,080 Speaker 1: different reasons, life will come. Life will come rashing down 278 00:15:01,120 --> 00:15:04,240 Speaker 1: on you. And if you tempt fate long enough, then 279 00:15:04,360 --> 00:15:07,560 Speaker 1: bad shit will happen. So in this one instance, can 280 00:15:07,600 --> 00:15:09,880 Speaker 1: I declare to you that I know for a fact 281 00:15:10,280 --> 00:15:12,240 Speaker 1: Saturday is going to be a disaster. No, I don't 282 00:15:12,240 --> 00:15:15,040 Speaker 1: know that. I absolutely don't know that, But I do 283 00:15:15,200 --> 00:15:18,320 Speaker 1: know that you have enough risk factors here where a 284 00:15:18,480 --> 00:15:20,600 Speaker 1: you should be concerned about what happens on Saturday, and 285 00:15:20,640 --> 00:15:23,800 Speaker 1: be more to the point, if it doesn't happen for 286 00:15:23,880 --> 00:15:27,000 Speaker 1: this one and it does become normalized and everyone goes 287 00:15:27,000 --> 00:15:30,400 Speaker 1: see nothing happened, and you find yourself really going down 288 00:15:30,440 --> 00:15:32,880 Speaker 1: this rabbit hole, well then it only becomes a matter 289 00:15:32,920 --> 00:15:35,240 Speaker 1: of time at that point. If this kind of thing 290 00:15:35,320 --> 00:15:40,480 Speaker 1: would have serves as justification for Triller, assuming nothing terrible happens. Aha, 291 00:15:40,560 --> 00:15:42,360 Speaker 1: you see, look with that, we did nothing happen, so 292 00:15:42,360 --> 00:15:44,280 Speaker 1: you should be fine. It's like, oh, I drove home 293 00:15:44,360 --> 00:15:47,360 Speaker 1: drunk and didn't kill anybody and didn't get arrested. You see, 294 00:15:47,440 --> 00:15:50,880 Speaker 1: driving home drunk is obviously fine. We all know that, 295 00:15:51,040 --> 00:15:54,440 Speaker 1: Like you know, he who's without sin cast the first stone. 296 00:15:54,480 --> 00:15:57,040 Speaker 1: Have I driven drunk? Yes? One time in college? Super 297 00:15:57,080 --> 00:15:59,240 Speaker 1: regretted it. Nothing happened. It was two in the morning 298 00:15:59,280 --> 00:16:02,040 Speaker 1: on a Williamsburg, Virginia and there was no one on 299 00:16:02,080 --> 00:16:04,960 Speaker 1: the streets. Fine, and I wasn't all that drunk anyway, 300 00:16:04,960 --> 00:16:08,120 Speaker 1: but still shouldn't have done it. Fucking stupid. Really regret it. 301 00:16:08,280 --> 00:16:11,360 Speaker 1: Never done it since, never will do it. Since never 302 00:16:11,360 --> 00:16:13,360 Speaker 1: will do it. You know, just living at twenty years 303 00:16:13,400 --> 00:16:15,440 Speaker 1: old and thinking that you understand risk and safety in 304 00:16:15,440 --> 00:16:18,280 Speaker 1: the world when you really don't. Obviously we all understand 305 00:16:18,360 --> 00:16:20,720 Speaker 1: driving drunk is a bad fucking idea, even if you 306 00:16:20,760 --> 00:16:22,400 Speaker 1: get away with it. This is to me sort of 307 00:16:22,760 --> 00:16:27,640 Speaker 1: relatively kind of commensurate with that if you live life 308 00:16:27,680 --> 00:16:29,560 Speaker 1: long enough, you begin to see that those events that 309 00:16:29,640 --> 00:16:33,080 Speaker 1: seem so impossible, Oh, that will happen, you know, when 310 00:16:33,080 --> 00:16:35,960 Speaker 1: I'm eighty or something. No, dude, they will happen much 311 00:16:36,120 --> 00:16:37,960 Speaker 1: earlier than you think they will, and they will happen 312 00:16:38,000 --> 00:16:40,880 Speaker 1: with a surprising degree of devastation, and you just have 313 00:16:40,960 --> 00:16:43,800 Speaker 1: to ready yourself for it. So this should be avoided. 314 00:16:43,840 --> 00:16:46,200 Speaker 1: I think the Florida Commission is quite shameful, even if 315 00:16:46,240 --> 00:16:52,000 Speaker 1: it goes well enough on Saturday. They really are, you know, 316 00:16:52,400 --> 00:17:00,960 Speaker 1: they're just beyond shame. They're just beyond shame. Who is 317 00:17:01,000 --> 00:17:04,280 Speaker 1: the highest ranked guy that you think Patty the Battie 318 00:17:04,280 --> 00:17:07,320 Speaker 1: could beat. Not sure I'd even pick him to beat 319 00:17:07,359 --> 00:17:10,639 Speaker 1: Bobby Green, Drew Doverer or Landover Andada. No, neither would I. 320 00:17:10,720 --> 00:17:14,479 Speaker 1: But that's not really the point. Listen. There's a lot 321 00:17:14,520 --> 00:17:18,639 Speaker 1: of hype behind him. I'm not gonna say it's not 322 00:17:18,880 --> 00:17:21,680 Speaker 1: necessarily well placed, but some of it is a little 323 00:17:21,760 --> 00:17:24,680 Speaker 1: over the top. In other words, if you were from 324 00:17:24,760 --> 00:17:28,000 Speaker 1: the UK or you like this guy, or he has 325 00:17:28,040 --> 00:17:32,360 Speaker 1: your captured or interest. Should you be confident about his upside? 326 00:17:32,840 --> 00:17:34,960 Speaker 1: I believe that you should. I believe that you should. 327 00:17:35,960 --> 00:17:39,119 Speaker 1: But I also pretty much recognize that like people think it, oh, 328 00:17:39,160 --> 00:17:43,480 Speaker 1: it's just his defensive issues. No, not necessarily. He has 329 00:17:43,680 --> 00:17:46,200 Speaker 1: phenomenal experience, and probably at twenty fights, he might feel like, 330 00:17:46,200 --> 00:17:48,560 Speaker 1: I'm ready to start taking on these guys, and maybe 331 00:17:48,560 --> 00:17:50,520 Speaker 1: he might beat some of them if things go right. 332 00:17:50,560 --> 00:17:52,000 Speaker 1: Like it's again, some of those things are kind of 333 00:17:52,000 --> 00:17:54,120 Speaker 1: hard to say. I wouldn't been on it, but certainly 334 00:17:54,160 --> 00:17:57,680 Speaker 1: it's not a thing you could just utterly dismiss. To me, 335 00:17:57,920 --> 00:18:00,119 Speaker 1: the issue is not just that his defense needs work. 336 00:18:00,160 --> 00:18:01,960 Speaker 1: All his defense, he's a lot of work. It's that 337 00:18:02,080 --> 00:18:05,880 Speaker 1: his offense, while formidable, it's certainly not even reached. He's 338 00:18:05,920 --> 00:18:09,760 Speaker 1: twenty six. He's twenty six. So like the way that 339 00:18:10,000 --> 00:18:12,920 Speaker 1: I think is the most appropriate, and people will disagree, 340 00:18:12,960 --> 00:18:15,399 Speaker 1: But the way I think you should look at his 341 00:18:16,160 --> 00:18:21,080 Speaker 1: experience is that it doesn't mean he's ready to start 342 00:18:21,080 --> 00:18:23,480 Speaker 1: taking on contenders. Quite the opposite. What it means is 343 00:18:23,520 --> 00:18:29,359 Speaker 1: that he's clearly ready for this level, and if he 344 00:18:29,600 --> 00:18:32,560 Speaker 1: still continues to work on his craft, which I'm confident 345 00:18:32,640 --> 00:18:37,080 Speaker 1: he will. Then in two or three years time, then 346 00:18:37,359 --> 00:18:41,720 Speaker 1: I think you will begin to see a clearer picture 347 00:18:41,840 --> 00:18:44,439 Speaker 1: of where he's going to be. Right, Maybe not as 348 00:18:44,440 --> 00:18:47,320 Speaker 1: long as three could be just two, but I still 349 00:18:47,359 --> 00:18:52,879 Speaker 1: think that there's like overall game development that is required. 350 00:18:53,080 --> 00:18:56,320 Speaker 1: First things. First would be striking defense. But if you 351 00:18:56,320 --> 00:18:57,920 Speaker 1: go back to the I mentioned before, the sword in 352 00:18:58,000 --> 00:18:59,520 Speaker 1: Bock fight, like one thing is if you look at 353 00:18:59,560 --> 00:19:01,920 Speaker 1: all well, actually, let's pull up his record. I don't 354 00:19:01,920 --> 00:19:05,640 Speaker 1: want to talk completely out of out of pocket here, 355 00:19:05,680 --> 00:19:14,840 Speaker 1: so let's pull up his record. 356 00:19:18,480 --> 00:19:32,800 Speaker 2: Let's see. Okay, no, no, no, no, no, no, let's 357 00:19:32,800 --> 00:19:42,639 Speaker 2: see here. 358 00:19:41,880 --> 00:19:47,840 Speaker 1: Oh Jesus, don't even have he doesn't even have a 359 00:19:47,840 --> 00:19:59,200 Speaker 1: Wikipedia entry. Can you believe that? Lord? Okay? So on tapology, 360 00:19:59,280 --> 00:20:01,680 Speaker 1: Let's look at his finishes, like when things went really 361 00:20:01,720 --> 00:20:07,280 Speaker 1: well for him, okay, including on Saturday, first round win 362 00:20:07,560 --> 00:20:11,080 Speaker 1: in his last two fights, first round wins, okay, the 363 00:20:11,119 --> 00:20:15,879 Speaker 1: lost to Sorenbach five rounds, the loss to nad Naramani, 364 00:20:16,640 --> 00:20:21,160 Speaker 1: a decision loss. Okay, he's got some decision wins too, 365 00:20:21,440 --> 00:20:23,480 Speaker 1: to be clear, he's got a few of them, Ashley Grimshaw, 366 00:20:24,160 --> 00:20:28,000 Speaker 1: Julian Airosa. But let's look at his finishes Jonathan Fratchi, Fritchie, 367 00:20:28,000 --> 00:20:30,920 Speaker 1: I'm sure I'm just pronouncing that. First round, Teddy Violet, 368 00:20:31,160 --> 00:20:35,640 Speaker 1: second round, Miguel Otto won a round one, Kevin Petsche 369 00:20:36,240 --> 00:20:39,479 Speaker 1: round two, Steven Martin round one, Conrad Ayes round one, 370 00:20:40,000 --> 00:20:41,840 Speaker 1: and he's got his own. But this is the only 371 00:20:41,880 --> 00:20:44,320 Speaker 1: way back. In twenty thirteen, he lost in round one 372 00:20:44,359 --> 00:20:47,440 Speaker 1: to Anacona choke. Okay, Jack drabble, we're getting back to 373 00:20:47,560 --> 00:20:49,960 Speaker 1: his like a long time ago. First round, first round, 374 00:20:49,960 --> 00:20:52,879 Speaker 1: first round, Okay, he doesn't have any finishes in the 375 00:20:52,920 --> 00:20:56,120 Speaker 1: third round. Now, finishes in the third round are rare generally. 376 00:20:56,680 --> 00:20:58,520 Speaker 1: But what I'm pointing out to you is he's a 377 00:20:58,560 --> 00:21:02,800 Speaker 1: strong starter, very strong starter. The Thorn and Bach fight 378 00:21:02,920 --> 00:21:05,120 Speaker 1: told you that if you can withstand the early storm, 379 00:21:06,000 --> 00:21:08,240 Speaker 1: he doesn't have the same level of intensity later. And 380 00:21:08,240 --> 00:21:09,679 Speaker 1: again you might have said, well, isn't that just one 381 00:21:09,720 --> 00:21:12,399 Speaker 1: of common in human biology? Yes, of course, But if 382 00:21:12,400 --> 00:21:14,640 Speaker 1: you look at the UFC level, I can name many 383 00:21:14,640 --> 00:21:16,439 Speaker 1: guys who are stronger in the fifth than they are 384 00:21:16,440 --> 00:21:18,679 Speaker 1: in the first. You know, and I don't mean this 385 00:21:18,800 --> 00:21:21,320 Speaker 1: is a character weakness of Patty Pimlet, like nothing at all. 386 00:21:21,760 --> 00:21:23,919 Speaker 1: I think he can absolutely get to that level. There 387 00:21:24,000 --> 00:21:26,560 Speaker 1: is plenty there. All I'm trying to tell folks is 388 00:21:27,000 --> 00:21:30,160 Speaker 1: you went to the grocery store and you bought a banana, 389 00:21:30,680 --> 00:21:32,600 Speaker 1: and it looks like you're ready to eat it, but 390 00:21:32,640 --> 00:21:34,680 Speaker 1: it's still a little bit green on the outside. Right, 391 00:21:34,760 --> 00:21:38,080 Speaker 1: So just just wait a second, Just wait a second. 392 00:21:38,160 --> 00:21:41,160 Speaker 1: Let him get some more experience, some more fight camps 393 00:21:41,520 --> 00:21:44,800 Speaker 1: to work on everything, including and I always say this, dude, 394 00:21:44,840 --> 00:21:46,960 Speaker 1: eventually in the UFC, someone's going to put it on you. 395 00:21:47,920 --> 00:21:49,480 Speaker 1: Someone is going to put it on you. And what 396 00:21:49,600 --> 00:21:52,439 Speaker 1: happens when they do. We also need to see that. 397 00:21:52,600 --> 00:21:56,480 Speaker 1: So what is his upside? His upside is potentially limitless. 398 00:21:57,040 --> 00:21:59,320 Speaker 1: But what is this current state? His current state is 399 00:21:59,640 --> 00:22:03,520 Speaker 1: very very talented prospect who still needs lots of work. 400 00:22:04,840 --> 00:22:07,680 Speaker 1: And I think that is fair. I think that is appropriate, 401 00:22:07,680 --> 00:22:10,880 Speaker 1: and I think if everyone takes their time, he could 402 00:22:10,880 --> 00:22:21,840 Speaker 1: be extremely successful. If you could magically restore any washed 403 00:22:21,840 --> 00:22:24,200 Speaker 1: fighter to their prime, who would you choose and why? 404 00:22:24,400 --> 00:22:26,439 Speaker 1: That's a very easy question for me to answer, and 405 00:22:26,480 --> 00:22:31,320 Speaker 1: it's Bjpenn. It's Bjpenn. I saw his post about like 406 00:22:31,400 --> 00:22:33,119 Speaker 1: what the difference between me and Habib, and it's like 407 00:22:33,280 --> 00:22:37,240 Speaker 1: I sort of get his point, you know, where, especially 408 00:22:37,320 --> 00:22:39,280 Speaker 1: in the era in which he grew up, there was 409 00:22:39,320 --> 00:22:42,119 Speaker 1: something there was an ethos about, like weight doesn't matter, 410 00:22:42,680 --> 00:22:46,360 Speaker 1: time of day doesn't matter, location doesn't matter. If you're 411 00:22:46,400 --> 00:22:48,520 Speaker 1: really about it and you're truly talented, you should be 412 00:22:48,560 --> 00:22:49,879 Speaker 1: able to beat these guys. And it was sort of 413 00:22:49,920 --> 00:22:53,560 Speaker 1: part of like the Hoys Gracie and Gracy legend essentially, 414 00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:56,080 Speaker 1: and we sort of learned over time there is still 415 00:22:56,119 --> 00:22:57,879 Speaker 1: something to be said for that, like jiu jitsu as 416 00:22:57,880 --> 00:23:02,000 Speaker 1: an actual self defense art can really empower smaller people 417 00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:04,080 Speaker 1: to have success against some of the bigger ones, right, 418 00:23:04,080 --> 00:23:06,800 Speaker 1: I mean that's not entirely misplaced, but as you know, 419 00:23:06,800 --> 00:23:10,040 Speaker 1: as it relates to prize fighting. While it's true that 420 00:23:10,080 --> 00:23:14,119 Speaker 1: there are some knocks on excuse me, NUMBERA Madev's resume, 421 00:23:14,200 --> 00:23:16,320 Speaker 1: he didn't really change weight classes. You know, he had 422 00:23:16,320 --> 00:23:19,679 Speaker 1: had some weight cutting issues himself. You know, there's probably 423 00:23:19,680 --> 00:23:21,520 Speaker 1: more guys even in his own weight class he could 424 00:23:21,520 --> 00:23:24,120 Speaker 1: have beat to really sort of solidify this or that. 425 00:23:25,440 --> 00:23:28,280 Speaker 1: The reality is like his game is just much more modern, 426 00:23:28,280 --> 00:23:30,000 Speaker 1: and I think he would have beaten the brakes off 427 00:23:30,040 --> 00:23:35,120 Speaker 1: of BJ. To be quite candid with you, however, if 428 00:23:35,160 --> 00:23:39,640 Speaker 1: you could take BJ penn at his peak and then 429 00:23:39,720 --> 00:23:42,960 Speaker 1: give him modern best practices. I wonder what that would do. 430 00:23:43,800 --> 00:23:46,320 Speaker 1: I wonder how well that would restore him to the top. 431 00:23:46,359 --> 00:23:49,600 Speaker 1: I have a feeling if he couldn't beat Habib, he 432 00:23:49,720 --> 00:23:52,919 Speaker 1: beat just about everybody else. You've got to understand what 433 00:23:53,040 --> 00:23:56,960 Speaker 1: bj Penn was at his prime. First American to win 434 00:23:57,200 --> 00:23:59,960 Speaker 1: the world championships at the black belt level in juju. 435 00:24:01,480 --> 00:24:05,440 Speaker 1: So he's extremely flexible, utterly dominant in jiu jitsu from 436 00:24:05,480 --> 00:24:08,359 Speaker 1: virtually any position off of his back, finding the back 437 00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:13,440 Speaker 1: on top, you name it, savage ground and pound, great control. 438 00:24:13,720 --> 00:24:16,520 Speaker 1: When he was with Marinovitch Brothers, he had phenomenal cardio. 439 00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:20,879 Speaker 1: He could punch hard, he had an iron chin, and 440 00:24:20,920 --> 00:24:23,760 Speaker 1: he was at for his era and at his peak, 441 00:24:23,840 --> 00:24:26,520 Speaker 1: at his peak, you could not take him down. He 442 00:24:26,600 --> 00:24:28,720 Speaker 1: is one of the few guys I've ever thought at 443 00:24:28,720 --> 00:24:30,400 Speaker 1: his prime. And I'm not saying this is even true. 444 00:24:30,640 --> 00:24:32,760 Speaker 1: I'm just telling you, like what went through my head, 445 00:24:33,560 --> 00:24:35,359 Speaker 1: he was one of the few guys in his prime 446 00:24:35,400 --> 00:24:37,720 Speaker 1: I've ever looked at a fighter and been like, dude, 447 00:24:37,800 --> 00:24:41,879 Speaker 1: right here, right now, in this weight class, he's unbeatable. 448 00:24:43,640 --> 00:24:46,119 Speaker 1: I've only thought that maybe a couple of times in 449 00:24:46,200 --> 00:24:48,400 Speaker 1: my life, and I one of them is when BJ 450 00:24:48,560 --> 00:24:50,520 Speaker 1: Penn was there. So, you know, does that mean he 451 00:24:50,560 --> 00:24:52,240 Speaker 1: can come in here and just rule the roost? Certainly 452 00:24:52,280 --> 00:24:54,399 Speaker 1: that's a matter of debate, But I do think I 453 00:24:54,520 --> 00:24:57,440 Speaker 1: just don't think folks understand he had a jab when 454 00:24:57,480 --> 00:24:59,000 Speaker 1: no one had a jab. And dude, this is the 455 00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:00,679 Speaker 1: other part too, like he would get hit even at 456 00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:03,600 Speaker 1: bigger weight classes in his prime, and it would barely 457 00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:05,800 Speaker 1: swell him up. He was hard to cut. One of 458 00:25:05,840 --> 00:25:08,959 Speaker 1: the first times I ever knew something had changed with 459 00:25:09,040 --> 00:25:11,240 Speaker 1: Penn was when he fought Nick Diaz, because I remember 460 00:25:11,280 --> 00:25:13,280 Speaker 1: it was the first time I ever saw him lumped up, 461 00:25:14,240 --> 00:25:15,879 Speaker 1: never seen that. I didn't see him lumped up when 462 00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:17,280 Speaker 1: he fought same peer. I didn't eve see him ump 463 00:25:17,359 --> 00:25:23,159 Speaker 1: up when he fought Leota Macheetah. You know, uh, that 464 00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:25,760 Speaker 1: was the first time I was like, hmm, I've never 465 00:25:25,760 --> 00:25:28,879 Speaker 1: seen that before. That's interesting. And then of course the 466 00:25:28,960 --> 00:25:33,480 Speaker 1: subsequent encounters that happened with much greater frequency. But early on, man, 467 00:25:33,800 --> 00:25:39,320 Speaker 1: early on, he had a feet. Again, I'm not even 468 00:25:39,320 --> 00:25:42,919 Speaker 1: saying this is true, but I felt like watching he 469 00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:49,320 Speaker 1: was unbeatable at his weight class. What do you think 470 00:25:49,320 --> 00:25:52,080 Speaker 1: Brunson should do wait for something not guaranteed and risk 471 00:25:52,200 --> 00:25:55,200 Speaker 1: being forgotten or sidelined because guys like Cannon, Ear, Strickland, 472 00:25:55,800 --> 00:25:59,240 Speaker 1: et cetera. Fresher matchups could be active in ranking up 473 00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:02,200 Speaker 1: excuse me, racking up w's in that time, Easy versus 474 00:26:02,320 --> 00:26:04,159 Speaker 1: Rob will happen, and the Champ recovers were in that 475 00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:08,560 Speaker 1: time for a possible trilogy. So when let's see here, 476 00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:20,520 Speaker 1: when is the rematch with Whitaker? Do we know yet? No? 477 00:26:20,520 --> 00:26:21,840 Speaker 2: No, no, no, no no no. 478 00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:38,080 Speaker 1: All right, here we go. I don't think we have 479 00:26:38,119 --> 00:26:41,520 Speaker 1: a date yet. Yeah, So here's the deal. I lived 480 00:26:41,520 --> 00:26:44,679 Speaker 1: through Rashad Evans waiting for a title shot at the 481 00:26:44,720 --> 00:26:49,280 Speaker 1: time Showgun was champion, and waited and waited and waited, 482 00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:52,440 Speaker 1: and then by the time he had waited, the division 483 00:26:52,560 --> 00:26:55,800 Speaker 1: had completely changed. At that point, John Jones had surged, 484 00:26:56,680 --> 00:27:00,159 Speaker 1: and you know, all the things he was supposed to 485 00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:07,440 Speaker 1: have done and was he was seemingly entitled to fell apart. 486 00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:11,240 Speaker 1: I think that if the title fight was soon and 487 00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:14,480 Speaker 1: you could sort of bank on whatever result happening, there 488 00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:17,680 Speaker 1: being in the books, it might make a little bit 489 00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:20,080 Speaker 1: more sense to wait. And obviously I'm not Derek Brunson. 490 00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:22,680 Speaker 1: I don't have to go through camp and whatever else 491 00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:24,760 Speaker 1: that entails. So you know, what do I think Brunson 492 00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:28,719 Speaker 1: should do is sort of a separate question then, like 493 00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:31,640 Speaker 1: what I think I would like to see. But if 494 00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:34,760 Speaker 1: I was advising Brunson, I probably would advise one more 495 00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:36,760 Speaker 1: fight now when you take that and against two is 496 00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:39,439 Speaker 1: a little bit a little bit of an issue. But 497 00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:42,640 Speaker 1: I think if you just wait, do these divisions move 498 00:27:43,280 --> 00:27:47,080 Speaker 1: Sometimes they don't, but in general, in general, they move fast. Dude, 499 00:27:47,119 --> 00:27:49,840 Speaker 1: a year of mixed martial arts fights. The world is 500 00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:52,480 Speaker 1: completely different from one year to the next in terms 501 00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:55,159 Speaker 1: of where who's ranked where and whatnot. There's always a 502 00:27:55,160 --> 00:27:57,399 Speaker 1: couple of mainstays. Amanda Nuna seems to be just, you know, 503 00:27:57,480 --> 00:28:01,600 Speaker 1: utterly dominant forever, and Habib like he would still be winning, 504 00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:03,840 Speaker 1: but he retired and now he's gone and it completely 505 00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:06,120 Speaker 1: opened up the division, and you know, we'll see what happens. 506 00:28:06,119 --> 00:28:11,800 Speaker 1: But no, I really wouldn't. I wouldn't. I would not, wait, 507 00:28:12,040 --> 00:28:14,439 Speaker 1: I would I would the Cannoneer fight, because here's the thing. 508 00:28:14,440 --> 00:28:17,159 Speaker 1: You eat Cannoneer and you get six fucking wins in 509 00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:19,520 Speaker 1: a row, and you took out Cannon ear where like 510 00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:23,199 Speaker 1: the only people ahead of you would be Bowishina and 511 00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:25,600 Speaker 1: then Rob at that point right, and then Boishinia has 512 00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:28,480 Speaker 1: got issues with vitry, and if Rob loses or even 513 00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:31,040 Speaker 1: Rob wins, kind of slots too. But that's the other 514 00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:32,600 Speaker 1: part too, like what if Rob wins and they want 515 00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:35,560 Speaker 1: to do a trilogy. You know, there's a lot of 516 00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:37,760 Speaker 1: ways where just waiting can blow up in your face 517 00:28:37,800 --> 00:28:39,480 Speaker 1: and then you just get passed by, and then you 518 00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:41,920 Speaker 1: get a harder fight that you ordinarily would have gotten, 519 00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:45,280 Speaker 1: and then the whole thing just blows up. So I 520 00:28:45,320 --> 00:28:47,200 Speaker 1: tend to think you got to strike while the iron's hot, 521 00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:49,960 Speaker 1: just based on the way the UFC has such control. 522 00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:52,680 Speaker 1: But you know, very easy for us to be like 523 00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:54,640 Speaker 1: here's what Brunston should do, you might be answering more 524 00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:57,120 Speaker 1: what you would like to see Brunson do rather than 525 00:28:57,120 --> 00:29:02,480 Speaker 1: what he actually should do. High Look, I'm a medical 526 00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:05,719 Speaker 1: student at Howard University. I live two minutes from Howard's campus, 527 00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:08,640 Speaker 1: but I also live about ten minutes from Georgetown and 528 00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:13,440 Speaker 1: George Washington. This is a university despite them being ten 529 00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:15,560 Speaker 1: minutes up the road. A little further than ten, closer 530 00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:18,640 Speaker 1: to fifteen. Those parts of town are like heaven compared 531 00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:21,320 Speaker 1: to the Howard's environment. Okay, what part of Howard though, 532 00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:23,640 Speaker 1: like off Georgia av Can you please explain to me 533 00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:25,880 Speaker 1: why that's the case for at least in your opinion, 534 00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:27,760 Speaker 1: I've never seen such as was broken glass of car 535 00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:30,560 Speaker 1: windows in the street until I moved here from Richmond. 536 00:29:30,560 --> 00:29:32,040 Speaker 1: I thought it was bad there, but compared to hear 537 00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:33,960 Speaker 1: good lord, well, first of all, you're a little soft. 538 00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:36,880 Speaker 1: If I could just be honest with you, listen, there 539 00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:40,920 Speaker 1: is no denying there is no denying that for major 540 00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:45,200 Speaker 1: metropolitan areas, and perhaps everywhere, but certainly in major metropolitan areas, 541 00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:49,240 Speaker 1: including and not exclusive to DC, crime is up. I mean, 542 00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:53,440 Speaker 1: you can't deny it. Carjackings up, robberies up, murders up, 543 00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:56,520 Speaker 1: not just here in New York, Chicago, LA, any kind 544 00:29:56,520 --> 00:29:58,720 Speaker 1: of top ten, top fifteen market, maybe more than that. 545 00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:00,600 Speaker 1: I don't know exactly what's happened as sort of your 546 00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:03,400 Speaker 1: mid major cities or whatever, but certainly in your major 547 00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:06,400 Speaker 1: cities in this country, crime is up. Fact. Can't run 548 00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:08,680 Speaker 1: from it, cantony it. It is just a reality, and 549 00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:12,760 Speaker 1: it sucks obviously that that is the case. However, folks, 550 00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:16,400 Speaker 1: some of y'all are a little bit soft. I lived 551 00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:19,640 Speaker 1: in this city and when Marion Barry was the mayor 552 00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:22,479 Speaker 1: in the nineteen eighties. Let me tell you something, folks, 553 00:30:23,080 --> 00:30:27,760 Speaker 1: DC is a fucking para dice compared to this place 554 00:30:27,800 --> 00:30:31,400 Speaker 1: in the nineteen eighties. And I lived through that. You know, 555 00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:34,360 Speaker 1: I'm not saying that was always pleasant or always easy. 556 00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:36,920 Speaker 1: But there's a lot of folks who are like, wow, 557 00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:40,120 Speaker 1: there's uh, you know, there's crime and blah blah blah. 558 00:30:40,120 --> 00:30:43,000 Speaker 1: I'm like, I don't think folks understand what the eighties 559 00:30:43,040 --> 00:30:46,640 Speaker 1: and ninety early nineties were like before crime began to drop, which, 560 00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:48,240 Speaker 1: by the way, is still a very much a debated 561 00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:51,320 Speaker 1: topic by criminologists about why it was happening. Was it? 562 00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:53,240 Speaker 1: Was it gun control was it not? Was it the 563 00:30:53,320 --> 00:30:55,440 Speaker 1: lead being taken out of pipes? Was it not? Was 564 00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:58,440 Speaker 1: it a series of other factors? Economic, you know, revitalization 565 00:30:58,600 --> 00:31:00,680 Speaker 1: was it not? Was it mass and co arceration was 566 00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:02,840 Speaker 1: it not. There's a lot of debate about what caused it. 567 00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:05,880 Speaker 1: But sort of across the country crime went down. See, 568 00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:09,280 Speaker 1: but before crime went down, I was here. I don't 569 00:31:09,280 --> 00:31:14,160 Speaker 1: think folks understand it is not even remotely comparable. You 570 00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:19,560 Speaker 1: are significantly safer now at any place in DC than 571 00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:23,080 Speaker 1: you were in that same place in nineteen eighty five 572 00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:27,920 Speaker 1: or whatever. Fact, here's a perfect example. I used to 573 00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:29,840 Speaker 1: live off East Capitol Street. For folks who don't know, 574 00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:34,280 Speaker 1: it connects essentially the old RFK Stadium all the way 575 00:31:34,280 --> 00:31:38,680 Speaker 1: to the Capitol straight line, straight line, okay, literally off 576 00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:40,600 Speaker 1: of the Capitol. If you're looking at a map north 577 00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:43,640 Speaker 1: and you just go on the east side of it. 578 00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:45,920 Speaker 1: There it is right all the way to RFK and 579 00:31:46,040 --> 00:31:48,680 Speaker 1: some Maryland straight shot. And I used to live close 580 00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:55,960 Speaker 1: to the close to the DC Armory slash RFK Stadium 581 00:31:56,040 --> 00:31:58,360 Speaker 1: in fact, when I was a kid. Here's another example. 582 00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:01,120 Speaker 1: That was where the then Red Skins used to play, and 583 00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:03,720 Speaker 1: when they played there, there was no metro there, so 584 00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:06,000 Speaker 1: people had to walk from like the nearest place, which 585 00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:09,920 Speaker 1: was further to my house, further to the right, and 586 00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:12,920 Speaker 1: when people would come to go to the game on 587 00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:16,280 Speaker 1: my left, they would there'd be just thousands of people 588 00:32:16,360 --> 00:32:18,200 Speaker 1: walking down the street at all times, and it's just 589 00:32:18,280 --> 00:32:21,080 Speaker 1: chucking beer cans in your yard, and there was fights 590 00:32:21,080 --> 00:32:23,600 Speaker 1: out there, like he was a fucking mess man every 591 00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:27,040 Speaker 1: time the Skins played out there. But the big one 592 00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:30,840 Speaker 1: is this right near there, is a park called Lincoln Park. 593 00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:32,920 Speaker 1: In fact, you guys might remember this from the news, 594 00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:35,760 Speaker 1: some of you might. There was a big debate because 595 00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:38,800 Speaker 1: there is a statue in that park of Abraham Lincoln 596 00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:42,760 Speaker 1: with his hand on a chained or he might have 597 00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:45,360 Speaker 1: been chained, but a guy who either I think was 598 00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:51,160 Speaker 1: still a slave. And here's the story about that, that 599 00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:57,720 Speaker 1: that statue was commissioned and paid for by freed slaves 600 00:32:57,800 --> 00:33:01,040 Speaker 1: after the Civil War. However, if you're if you don't 601 00:33:01,080 --> 00:33:02,880 Speaker 1: know the context and you go and just look at it, 602 00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:06,120 Speaker 1: it's like, here's Abraham Lincoln putting his hand on a slave. 603 00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:10,640 Speaker 1: And there's this big divide in the black community from 604 00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:13,200 Speaker 1: what I can tell, between the older folks who really 605 00:33:13,240 --> 00:33:16,760 Speaker 1: actually like that statue and the newer ones who you know, 606 00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:20,760 Speaker 1: have various issues with it. Anyway, there's also you know, 607 00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:25,160 Speaker 1: other statues there. When I was a kid in that park, dude, 608 00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:29,080 Speaker 1: if you went there after night, you were getting fucking stabbed. 609 00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:33,840 Speaker 1: Fact like, at a bare minimum, they were taking your shit, right. 610 00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:36,240 Speaker 1: There were all these benches and I used to recall 611 00:33:36,320 --> 00:33:40,160 Speaker 1: all these dudes drinking beers out of their brown bags 612 00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:42,920 Speaker 1: and fist fights, and my friend got mugged there and 613 00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:48,200 Speaker 1: blah blah blah. You go there now and it's labraydoodles 614 00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:53,000 Speaker 1: and picnics and you know, I mean, just gentrified to 615 00:33:53,080 --> 00:33:55,640 Speaker 1: the nth degree. So I'm not telling you that like 616 00:33:55,720 --> 00:33:58,280 Speaker 1: crime doesn't matter or that it doesn't suck. That there's 617 00:33:58,320 --> 00:34:02,240 Speaker 1: a difference in neighborhoods between Georgetown and Shaw. Shaw is 618 00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:05,600 Speaker 1: where essentially Howard University is, although to me, Shaw has 619 00:34:06,080 --> 00:34:11,760 Speaker 1: much more character than Georgetown, like by a pretty significant degree. 620 00:34:13,640 --> 00:34:16,200 Speaker 1: Georgetown sucks. I mean, it's nice, but it sucks. There's 621 00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:21,759 Speaker 1: zero character to it whatsoever. Fuck Georgetown, but compared to 622 00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:25,360 Speaker 1: when I lived here in the eighties, y'all are a 623 00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:29,720 Speaker 1: little soft buck up, little camper. You will be, okay, 624 00:34:30,080 --> 00:34:37,920 Speaker 1: trust me, trust me. BC is texting me. What does 625 00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:56,399 Speaker 1: he want? Let's see, Uh, okay, okay, let's talk about 626 00:34:56,400 --> 00:34:58,959 Speaker 1: tomorrow's show. Yeah, I'm sweating like a horror in church. 627 00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:04,160 Speaker 1: So you know, listen, I'm not saying that you have 628 00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:07,719 Speaker 1: no reason to be worried. But I've been back in 629 00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:12,799 Speaker 1: this city, uh since I grew up here and then 630 00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:16,560 Speaker 1: I moved back in oh four, been in this neighborhood 631 00:35:16,560 --> 00:35:20,120 Speaker 1: since five, and my only incident issue is once I 632 00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:22,080 Speaker 1: walk my dogs and someone broke in and stole my 633 00:35:22,239 --> 00:35:25,839 Speaker 1: Xbox and the laptop, which sucked. Which sucked. But that's it. 634 00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:29,120 Speaker 1: I've never had any other issue. And I don't live 635 00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:32,200 Speaker 1: in like what is like notoriously famous for one of 636 00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:34,640 Speaker 1: DC's I don't live in Georgetown. Let me assure you 637 00:35:34,680 --> 00:35:37,360 Speaker 1: and I don't live near GW either. I live I 638 00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:39,640 Speaker 1: live very close to Shaw, I'll put it that way. 639 00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:47,759 Speaker 1: Like calm down, which fighter has profited the most from 640 00:35:47,760 --> 00:35:51,919 Speaker 1: being a weight bully in their division? Like a guy 641 00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:53,719 Speaker 1: who could like just cut a shit ton of weight. 642 00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:56,400 Speaker 1: You could say the biggest one in my lifetime is 643 00:35:56,440 --> 00:36:01,279 Speaker 1: probably Gleas in Teabow, Gleason t was well ed to 644 00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:03,600 Speaker 1: like two hundred and then would just constantly cut to 645 00:36:03,600 --> 00:36:06,879 Speaker 1: one fifty five and be a fucking rock. You know, God, 646 00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:09,760 Speaker 1: damn Okay, I'll put this on mute. BC won't stop 647 00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:18,759 Speaker 1: texting me. There we go. Okay, So you know it does. 648 00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:20,480 Speaker 1: It didn't turn him into a champion or anything, but 649 00:36:20,520 --> 00:36:27,799 Speaker 1: it definitely like helped him out in his career for sure. Luke, 650 00:36:27,840 --> 00:36:30,480 Speaker 1: congrats on you, NBC reaching two hundred episodes. We focus 651 00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:32,719 Speaker 1: on the positive of the show, but so far. What 652 00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:34,600 Speaker 1: are the things you regretted or could have done better 653 00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:36,880 Speaker 1: greeting from Greece. I mean, it's all. We had a 654 00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:38,320 Speaker 1: big meaning today. Abou all the things we're going to 655 00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:39,960 Speaker 1: tighten up. The only thing I'm going to bring back 656 00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:43,120 Speaker 1: to the MK channel that's missing as I swept my 657 00:36:43,160 --> 00:36:46,879 Speaker 1: way through this under these bright lights is some kind 658 00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:49,600 Speaker 1: of technique breakdown. Obviously, I've gone back to my personal channel, 659 00:36:49,600 --> 00:36:52,279 Speaker 1: but I can't do that alone. I've got to bring 660 00:36:52,360 --> 00:36:55,000 Speaker 1: some to MK. So we're working on some things to 661 00:36:55,360 --> 00:37:02,200 Speaker 1: do that. Someone was asking me about Aerial and Brendan like, folks, 662 00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:05,080 Speaker 1: I'm gonna say it one time and one time only more. 663 00:37:05,160 --> 00:37:09,480 Speaker 1: That's it last time. That is between them two grown men. 664 00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:18,239 Speaker 1: I'll let them handle it. Do you agree with me 665 00:37:18,320 --> 00:37:21,359 Speaker 1: that the elite British and Irish fighters need to move 666 00:37:21,400 --> 00:37:23,800 Speaker 1: to the States to realize their full potential? I include 667 00:37:23,840 --> 00:37:26,680 Speaker 1: Connor in that the best soccer players in the USA 668 00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:29,200 Speaker 1: don't stay in America. That's true. They all of our 669 00:37:29,200 --> 00:37:33,759 Speaker 1: best are playing typically overseas. Some are from MLS, but 670 00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:38,600 Speaker 1: you know, Weston mckennie and Josh Sargent and Pulisic and 671 00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:42,120 Speaker 1: whoever else. They all play overseas. So here's what I 672 00:37:42,160 --> 00:37:49,720 Speaker 1: would say. This is a something of a complicated question. 673 00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:55,640 Speaker 1: This was an easier answer ten years ago. Ten years ago, 674 00:37:56,120 --> 00:37:58,880 Speaker 1: like when you're Dan Hardy's and Miss Bing's. You know, 675 00:37:58,920 --> 00:38:00,520 Speaker 1: I remember when when you guys and I remember this. 676 00:38:00,520 --> 00:38:02,279 Speaker 1: I remember when Michael Bisping was part of Team wolf 677 00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:06,080 Speaker 1: Slayer and in the UK brought even Rampage over for 678 00:38:06,160 --> 00:38:09,360 Speaker 1: a time and blah blah blah, or was it Michael 679 00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:11,480 Speaker 1: Bisping and the Team Wolfslayer, whatever the fuck it was. 680 00:38:12,600 --> 00:38:14,759 Speaker 1: The point being is I remember when there was some 681 00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:19,040 Speaker 1: like standout UK guys Hardy and Bisping who did really 682 00:38:19,080 --> 00:38:22,799 Speaker 1: well coming out of the UK, and then in the 683 00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:25,440 Speaker 1: case of Michael Bisping ultimately relocated to the United States, 684 00:38:25,480 --> 00:38:27,279 Speaker 1: but in the case of Dan Hardy so spent some 685 00:38:27,320 --> 00:38:31,960 Speaker 1: significant time in Las Vegas living and training, and that 686 00:38:32,080 --> 00:38:33,359 Speaker 1: was the thing where you could just sort of more 687 00:38:33,600 --> 00:38:37,239 Speaker 1: more easily defend. American wrestling is still quite dominant, but 688 00:38:37,520 --> 00:38:41,000 Speaker 1: was he was really dominant back then, and if they're 689 00:38:41,080 --> 00:38:43,080 Speaker 1: just weren't as many coaches over there. It was just 690 00:38:43,120 --> 00:38:45,279 Speaker 1: a hard it was. It was it was very, very 691 00:38:45,320 --> 00:38:50,040 Speaker 1: difficult to maximize potential with wrestling as such a central 692 00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:53,960 Speaker 1: feature even in now today's game was significantly more featured 693 00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:57,799 Speaker 1: then as like a bedrock foundational skill, and there was 694 00:38:57,920 --> 00:38:59,959 Speaker 1: less ways to get it than going to the United States, 695 00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:02,680 Speaker 1: so that it had been true for a time. More 696 00:39:02,719 --> 00:39:05,360 Speaker 1: recently you kind of gotten away from that, like where 697 00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:08,759 Speaker 1: you know, before these guys were coming out of NC 698 00:39:08,840 --> 00:39:11,920 Speaker 1: Double a's and they were just sort of wrestling in 699 00:39:11,960 --> 00:39:13,760 Speaker 1: that style that they had a coaching amount of wrestled 700 00:39:13,760 --> 00:39:16,760 Speaker 1: in NC Double A and you know, in other words, 701 00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:18,759 Speaker 1: they were just bringing a wrestling game where some of 702 00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:22,680 Speaker 1: that stuff wasn't invaluable or even necessary. And then over 703 00:39:22,719 --> 00:39:26,960 Speaker 1: time what you saw was guys become good instructors in 704 00:39:27,160 --> 00:39:31,319 Speaker 1: MMA who never wrestled and fighters too, like Saint Pierre 705 00:39:31,320 --> 00:39:33,800 Speaker 1: who never wrestled formally, and then take that back to 706 00:39:33,840 --> 00:39:35,560 Speaker 1: their countries where like some of the big camps in 707 00:39:35,600 --> 00:39:37,960 Speaker 1: Brazil they didn't have you know, they had some good 708 00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:40,560 Speaker 1: wrestlers there, but not like elite wrestlers like you may 709 00:39:40,560 --> 00:39:42,320 Speaker 1: have found in the United States. And they were pulling 710 00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:44,799 Speaker 1: up guys who had great wrestling and could use it 711 00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:47,279 Speaker 1: in MMA. And you saw that in other countries as well. 712 00:39:47,320 --> 00:39:50,680 Speaker 1: It's it's spread pretty far, but you know, it still 713 00:39:50,719 --> 00:39:53,640 Speaker 1: remains a bit of a problem. Do I think that 714 00:39:53,680 --> 00:39:56,040 Speaker 1: the British and the Irish need to move to the 715 00:39:56,120 --> 00:39:58,880 Speaker 1: United States to realize their full potential? Not necessarily. No, 716 00:40:00,160 --> 00:40:02,360 Speaker 1: I would be speaking a little bit out of turn 717 00:40:02,920 --> 00:40:05,600 Speaker 1: if I said I had the clear grasp on exactly 718 00:40:05,640 --> 00:40:11,680 Speaker 1: the level of wrestling instruction and sparring partners related to 719 00:40:11,719 --> 00:40:15,920 Speaker 1: that instruction for wrestling in all of the UK in Ireland, 720 00:40:15,960 --> 00:40:17,800 Speaker 1: I don't have a full grasp on that. I obviously 721 00:40:17,800 --> 00:40:20,839 Speaker 1: know some of the more famous coaches, certainly in jiu jitsu, 722 00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:22,799 Speaker 1: I think you can get plenty of that. I mean, dude, 723 00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:25,440 Speaker 1: London shoot Fighters has what has Hodri Gracie. I mean, 724 00:40:26,120 --> 00:40:29,680 Speaker 1: you'll be fine training with him, trust me. But I 725 00:40:29,719 --> 00:40:35,560 Speaker 1: will say that it does appear there are some fighters 726 00:40:35,840 --> 00:40:42,799 Speaker 1: from that area who, for whatever reason, are underdeveloped in 727 00:40:42,880 --> 00:40:46,160 Speaker 1: that part of the game. So to answer your question, 728 00:40:46,280 --> 00:40:49,279 Speaker 1: like all, do all of them need to move? No? 729 00:40:50,280 --> 00:40:53,279 Speaker 1: Could some of them benefit by either flying out a 730 00:40:53,320 --> 00:40:57,600 Speaker 1: coach and some sparring partners or more easily just you know, 731 00:40:57,640 --> 00:41:01,279 Speaker 1: spending some time at Sanford MMA or whatever. Yeah, there 732 00:41:01,280 --> 00:41:04,480 Speaker 1: are some that could benefit from that. Again, till I'm 733 00:41:04,520 --> 00:41:06,120 Speaker 1: not sure what to say because he fought with a 734 00:41:06,239 --> 00:41:09,040 Speaker 1: twenty cl and we went through it on My Technical 735 00:41:09,080 --> 00:41:12,879 Speaker 1: Difficulties podcasts like he you know, he didn't look great, 736 00:41:12,960 --> 00:41:14,680 Speaker 1: but it's just hard to know exactly what all of 737 00:41:14,719 --> 00:41:17,760 Speaker 1: that meant given the injury. But you're right with Connor, 738 00:41:17,800 --> 00:41:20,399 Speaker 1: like Connor brought in Dylan Danis for a time. Folks 739 00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:24,200 Speaker 1: forget Connor had Ryan Halls as a sort of a 740 00:41:24,560 --> 00:41:28,160 Speaker 1: you know, John Kavanaugh got mad when I called Dylan 741 00:41:28,239 --> 00:41:30,319 Speaker 1: Danis a coach, but I'm not sure, you know, to 742 00:41:30,400 --> 00:41:33,960 Speaker 1: call him merely a sparring partner seems very much incorrect