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Speaker 1: And now Move the Sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks.

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Speaker 2: Hey, it's up, friends, welcome back another episode of Move

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Speaker 2: the Sticks. Right here, Red Lewis, Bucky Brooks in for

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Speaker 2: DJ today, but we get to welcome our good pal

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Speaker 2: Bruce Feldman here with us. Bruce, of course does great

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Speaker 2: work for Fox throughout the college football season. I see

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Speaker 2: him on the desk throughout college Football Saturdays, and of

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Speaker 2: course bringing great info and analysis throughout Bruce. Welcome man.

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Speaker 2: No shortage of storylines through college football over the last

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Speaker 2: couple of weeks since we last spoke.

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Speaker 3: How you doing Man, I'm doing good.

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Speaker 1: You're right, it's you know, we have to play off

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Speaker 1: about to start, but Michigan has taken over the stage

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Speaker 1: with a lot of dysfunction and craziness.

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Speaker 2: Well let's start right there, I mean right, I mean,

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Speaker 2: let's just let's get that thing out of the way.

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Speaker 4: Here.

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Speaker 2: Where do we stand right now? I know there's been

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Speaker 2: multiple coaches, big name coach which is that I have

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Speaker 2: reportedly been taking swings at with Kenny Dillingham and Kaylin

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Speaker 2: de Boor, And as of now, those coaches remain at

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Speaker 2: their school. So where's Michigan going at this point.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think there's a couple of things that are

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Speaker 1: going on right now. You have an investigation into what happened,

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Speaker 1: not just who knew what when. But I also think

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Speaker 1: there's part of the question is how come people higher

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Speaker 1: So there's that. I don't know if that means the

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Speaker 1: AD word manual is going to be the AD that

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Speaker 1: much longer. From what I've heard is his situation is

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Speaker 1: very tenuous, to be honest, So we'll see where that goes.

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Speaker 1: There is a search that's already started. The timing's never good, right,

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Speaker 1: but like you mentioned Calin de Boor, I mean Caleen

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Speaker 1: Boor's team is playing in the playoff in less than

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Speaker 1: thirty six hours from when we're taping or so, if

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Speaker 1: I do my math right, you know he's not leaving

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Speaker 1: sense for him to go? You know what, maybe this

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Speaker 1: isn't the right spot for me. Maybe I want a

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Speaker 1: different start, and maybe I go back to the Midwest.

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Speaker 1: He's a South Dakota guy coached in the Big Ten

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Speaker 1: that you're alma mater. He was off the Twitter right

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Speaker 1: in Indiana. So really good coach. We'll see, I mean,

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Speaker 1: It wasn't like he didn't think there was going to

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Speaker 1: Dillingham situation, I feel like, is this I think from

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Speaker 1: But you know, if you're Kenny Dillingham, you're looking at

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Speaker 1: But he's in the portal. He didn't go to like

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Speaker 1: And I think that's kind of significant, intelligent maybe where

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Speaker 2: Okay, so one more here and then I want to

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Speaker 2: But are we really at a point where Calen de

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Speaker 2: Michigan truly presents a better opportunity than sitting here at

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Speaker 1: I think it would be more of is Michigan a

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Speaker 1: better fit than Alabama? Is you know? I Calendibor is

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Speaker 1: so I think if they didn't lose to Oklahoma twenty

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Speaker 1: not like he hasn't done anything. I mean, they are

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Speaker 1: So to answer your question on the first part, Red,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and that that is crazy, right Buck? So let's

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Speaker 2: look at these matchups A and M. Miami obviously starts

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Speaker 2: how do we see this match up? This what intrigue

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Speaker 1: Uh In this one, for me, it's really ken Alabama

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Speaker 1: They have to find a way to the They can't

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Speaker 1: If it's a higher scoring game, I don't think Oklahoma

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think Bucky. I think it's a couple of things. One,

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Speaker 4: But but he was.

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Speaker 1: He physically had tools that were like, oh, you could

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Speaker 1: you start to say, Okay, maybe next year's draft will

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Speaker 1: be better, but I just don't for quarterbacks, I just

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Speaker 1: don't see it as being that deep of a group.

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Speaker 1: If you're looking at like, oh, is this guy getting

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Speaker 2: But right, yeah, yeah, you know, look we've seen Tyler

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Speaker 2: Shuck is the second rounder you know, from this year's

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Speaker 2: class start to really kind of go up here late

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Speaker 2: season for the New Orleans Saints actually has the most

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Speaker 2: wins out of any rooky quarterback starter right now as

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Speaker 2: we go into the final three weeks of the season.

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Speaker 2: But you know, one of the other things to think about,

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Speaker 2: and we'll we'll address this in another episode, Bruce, but

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Speaker 2: guys like Dante Moore, I mean, the class is going

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Speaker 2: to be more crowded next year, and so you know,

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Speaker 2: you wonder how that kind of factors intoto the decision

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Speaker 2: making process too.

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Speaker 1: So we'll see how I'll play that. Yeah. The only

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Speaker 1: thing with that, right, I think we thought this class

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Speaker 1: sudden we should look, yeah, Club Nick, like like, I

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Speaker 1: don't know what what the second act for, especially Club

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Speaker 1: Nick and Nusswear. I know they played each other in

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Speaker 1: the first game, Like, I really like both guys from

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Speaker 1: a from a makeup standpoint. But when you watch Club

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Speaker 1: Nick early on, he had a pretty experienced offensive line.

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Speaker 1: I know they were missing probably their best receiver for

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Speaker 1: a bunch of the year, but he didn't look like

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Speaker 1: he was a three year starter, right. And with Garrett,

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Speaker 1: you know, obviously son of an NFL coach and former

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Speaker 1: NFL quarterback, and everybody loves him and there's still some gunslinger.

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Speaker 1: And I just felt like the whole year started out

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Speaker 1: bad for it, you know, beyond the winning at Clemson

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Speaker 1: in the turn I was a Clemson thing, Like, it

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Speaker 1: just felt like something's off. It doesn't mean that if

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Speaker 1: somebody takes him in the third round, he might be

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Speaker 1: sure might say, oh, you know, if you bring him along.

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Speaker 1: He may have starter ability in there, but just it

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Speaker 1: was a bad combination of things in Baton Rouge this year.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think the coaches are gonna love Garrett Nutsmeyer.

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Speaker 2: He's such a technician and we'll see how that ends

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Speaker 2: up factoring into the entire decision. But Bruce always a

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Speaker 2: pleasure man. Appreciate all your great work on Fox and

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Speaker 2: obviously the work you do writing for the Athletic as well.

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Speaker 2: We always appreciate you here on Move the Sticks.

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Speaker 1: I always pleasure guys. You guys have my favorite football podcast.

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Speaker 2: So let's go.

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Speaker 1: Let's go right there. We'll just keep DJ out of it.

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Speaker 2: So as long as as long as it's being buck yet,

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Speaker 2: I appreciate you saying it.

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Speaker 1: Thank you very much. It's fine. DJ gets all his

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Speaker 1: love from wherever he needs to get it from. We

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Speaker 1: know this. So I see him popping up on my

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Speaker 1: feet every other day. It seems like for.

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Speaker 2: Sure, all right, that's going to do it for this

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Speaker 2: episode of Move the Stick. Appreciate you guys for joining us.

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Speaker 2: Obviously appreciate Bruce. We'll catch you next time right here,

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