1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:04,280 Speaker 1: It's time to get inside the Giants huddle on giants 2 00:00:04,320 --> 00:00:07,640 Speaker 1: dot Com. Here we go on the Giants Mobile, part 3 00:00:07,640 --> 00:00:10,680 Speaker 1: of the Giants Podcast Network. Welcome to another edition of 4 00:00:10,680 --> 00:00:12,800 Speaker 1: the John's Little Podcast, brought to you by psc ANDNG 5 00:00:13,039 --> 00:00:16,040 Speaker 1: Energy Efficiency for game time and anytime visit PSEG dot 6 00:00:16,079 --> 00:00:19,520 Speaker 1: com slash Giants for discounts, rebates home energy assessments. Were 7 00:00:19,600 --> 00:00:21,759 Speaker 1: joined by the one and only Charles Davis front of 8 00:00:21,760 --> 00:00:24,280 Speaker 1: the program. You can see him in NFL Network during 9 00:00:24,280 --> 00:00:25,840 Speaker 1: the year. You can see him on CBS, you can 10 00:00:25,880 --> 00:00:29,040 Speaker 1: hear him on Sirious. He's on eighteen different NFL Network 11 00:00:29,080 --> 00:00:32,080 Speaker 1: shows this time a year because this draft season. Charles, 12 00:00:32,120 --> 00:00:34,400 Speaker 1: It's good to see Uh. I love seeing the dog 13 00:00:34,440 --> 00:00:36,800 Speaker 1: in the background. Looks like you're kind of just chilling 14 00:00:36,920 --> 00:00:41,040 Speaker 1: a little calm before the storm coming with the NFL Draft. Huh. Yeah, 15 00:00:41,159 --> 00:00:42,800 Speaker 1: it's good to see you again, John. And you know 16 00:00:42,880 --> 00:00:46,040 Speaker 1: appearances can be deceiving, You know that, right, And uh, 17 00:00:46,760 --> 00:00:50,479 Speaker 1: none of us, you me, anyone's connected with the NFL 18 00:00:50,600 --> 00:00:53,000 Speaker 1: right now. No one's chilling as we head towards the draft. 19 00:00:53,040 --> 00:00:55,760 Speaker 1: Everyone's got work to do and I've got plenty more 20 00:00:55,760 --> 00:00:57,720 Speaker 1: ahead of me before we get in the showtime on 21 00:00:57,760 --> 00:01:00,600 Speaker 1: that Thursday night in Kansas City. All Right, I'm gonna 22 00:01:00,600 --> 00:01:04,400 Speaker 1: give you some home field advantage on my first question here, Charles. 23 00:01:04,400 --> 00:01:07,880 Speaker 1: Two Tennessee wide receivers, Jalen Hylott and Cedric Tillman, two 24 00:01:07,880 --> 00:01:10,640 Speaker 1: guys very close to your heart, I know. Tell me 25 00:01:10,720 --> 00:01:14,280 Speaker 1: about these guys, and it's two separate questions. They'll start 26 00:01:14,280 --> 00:01:17,240 Speaker 1: with Hyatt. How do you think a guy that played 27 00:01:17,280 --> 00:01:19,080 Speaker 1: in the slot a lot and was in stack a 28 00:01:19,120 --> 00:01:21,440 Speaker 1: lot and that Tennessee offense wasn't really pressing the line 29 00:01:21,440 --> 00:01:26,640 Speaker 1: of scrimmage is going to convert that skill set to 30 00:01:26,720 --> 00:01:29,000 Speaker 1: the NFL where he's gonna be asked to play outside 31 00:01:29,000 --> 00:01:31,320 Speaker 1: with his vertical speed, right, and he's gonna see a 32 00:01:31,319 --> 00:01:34,280 Speaker 1: lot more press at the NFL level. Yeah, and they're 33 00:01:34,280 --> 00:01:36,160 Speaker 1: gonna move him around, as you know. I mean, that's 34 00:01:36,160 --> 00:01:38,920 Speaker 1: what we do with the best with the receivers nowadays. 35 00:01:38,959 --> 00:01:41,280 Speaker 1: They'll play inside, they'll play outside, We'll get them on 36 00:01:41,319 --> 00:01:44,240 Speaker 1: the move. You gotta do all those, all those things 37 00:01:44,319 --> 00:01:47,760 Speaker 1: until they acquire that skill set. Plus Jalen High it's 38 00:01:47,800 --> 00:01:50,240 Speaker 1: not a big big man, okay, So it's not like 39 00:01:50,320 --> 00:01:53,280 Speaker 1: him coming off the line of scrimmage is got some 40 00:01:53,320 --> 00:01:56,360 Speaker 1: brute force behind it and kind of run through a jam. 41 00:01:56,480 --> 00:01:58,640 Speaker 1: He's got a lot to learn in terms of footwork 42 00:01:58,680 --> 00:02:02,320 Speaker 1: and skill and getting off the most creative coordinators. Until 43 00:02:02,320 --> 00:02:04,400 Speaker 1: he acquires all of that and puts that as a 44 00:02:04,400 --> 00:02:06,760 Speaker 1: part of the arsenal in his game, They'll put him 45 00:02:06,800 --> 00:02:08,920 Speaker 1: on the move, they'll back him up off the line 46 00:02:08,919 --> 00:02:10,919 Speaker 1: of scrimmage. They'll give him a chance to have that 47 00:02:11,520 --> 00:02:14,919 Speaker 1: as free a release as he can possibly get. Cedric 48 00:02:14,960 --> 00:02:17,720 Speaker 1: Tillman is a horse, okay. I mean he's two hundred 49 00:02:17,720 --> 00:02:21,840 Speaker 1: fifteen pounds, so he's gonna have a much better opportunity 50 00:02:21,880 --> 00:02:23,840 Speaker 1: to deal with that off the top. If for no 51 00:02:23,919 --> 00:02:27,600 Speaker 1: other reason, then roots strength kicks in for him. So 52 00:02:27,840 --> 00:02:30,320 Speaker 1: if he has all that going, that'll be good. But 53 00:02:30,440 --> 00:02:32,960 Speaker 1: let's keep it on high end, all right, Tennessee put 54 00:02:33,040 --> 00:02:36,560 Speaker 1: him in the best advantage they could. The type of 55 00:02:36,560 --> 00:02:39,320 Speaker 1: offense that you described, a lot of stacks, so you're 56 00:02:39,320 --> 00:02:41,760 Speaker 1: not really getting pressed off the line of scrimmage. And 57 00:02:41,880 --> 00:02:45,320 Speaker 1: his game is vertical. It's down the fields, catch the 58 00:02:45,360 --> 00:02:48,320 Speaker 1: ball on the move, and if he's catching it on 59 00:02:48,360 --> 00:02:51,880 Speaker 1: the move, you got trouble all day long in your secondary. 60 00:02:52,680 --> 00:02:55,000 Speaker 1: The thing that he's going to have to shove and 61 00:02:55,080 --> 00:02:57,520 Speaker 1: I'm not saying he doesn't have it, but you don't 62 00:02:57,560 --> 00:03:00,840 Speaker 1: find it very much on tape. Is the ability to 63 00:03:00,840 --> 00:03:04,240 Speaker 1: create the ability to catch the football on a hitch 64 00:03:04,800 --> 00:03:08,320 Speaker 1: on a bubble screen coming inside, make people miss and 65 00:03:08,360 --> 00:03:10,800 Speaker 1: get some more yardage. You catch him on that slant 66 00:03:10,840 --> 00:03:12,400 Speaker 1: and he's on the move. You catch him on that 67 00:03:12,440 --> 00:03:14,280 Speaker 1: deep dig and he's on the move. You catch him 68 00:03:14,280 --> 00:03:17,800 Speaker 1: on the post or the go, you might as well 69 00:03:17,840 --> 00:03:20,160 Speaker 1: go ahead, as they say, as they say in the SEC. 70 00:03:20,639 --> 00:03:23,400 Speaker 1: If he's catching on the move like that, the band's 71 00:03:23,440 --> 00:03:26,120 Speaker 1: gonna play and it's gonna play the song of his team. 72 00:03:26,160 --> 00:03:28,760 Speaker 1: All right. That's how that works in the NFL to 73 00:03:28,880 --> 00:03:30,960 Speaker 1: be a little bit different for him. He'll still have 74 00:03:31,000 --> 00:03:33,800 Speaker 1: that skill set, but'll have to work harder in terms 75 00:03:33,800 --> 00:03:36,040 Speaker 1: of that. So it's gonna be interesting to watch. But 76 00:03:36,160 --> 00:03:39,920 Speaker 1: to me, it's incoming upon offensive coordinators. Know who you're getting, 77 00:03:40,240 --> 00:03:43,440 Speaker 1: what you're getting, work your way into that as they 78 00:03:43,440 --> 00:03:45,760 Speaker 1: acquire the rest of those the rest of those things 79 00:03:45,760 --> 00:03:48,640 Speaker 1: that go into their tool chest, and eventually one day 80 00:03:48,680 --> 00:03:50,600 Speaker 1: they have it all. Do you think Hyatt has an 81 00:03:50,600 --> 00:03:53,760 Speaker 1: in him to develop that top of the route separation skill, 82 00:03:53,840 --> 00:03:56,800 Speaker 1: that side to side ladderwell quickness to create separation as 83 00:03:56,800 --> 00:04:01,080 Speaker 1: he expands his route tree. I think he does, and 84 00:04:01,320 --> 00:04:04,240 Speaker 1: I would guess by now he's sick of hearing people 85 00:04:04,280 --> 00:04:07,760 Speaker 1: like me talk about what he doesn't. So the better 86 00:04:07,880 --> 00:04:10,120 Speaker 1: ones are right, all right, enough out of you. Let 87 00:04:10,120 --> 00:04:11,600 Speaker 1: me show you what I've got, Let me show you 88 00:04:11,680 --> 00:04:14,280 Speaker 1: what I've been working on. My sense is that he's 89 00:04:14,280 --> 00:04:16,360 Speaker 1: been working on this since the end of last season. 90 00:04:16,640 --> 00:04:18,920 Speaker 1: One things that I got from my contacts back in 91 00:04:19,040 --> 00:04:22,159 Speaker 1: Knoxville is remember he was not the number one receiver 92 00:04:22,279 --> 00:04:25,520 Speaker 1: going into this season. It was Cedric Tillman's. Edric Tillman 93 00:04:25,640 --> 00:04:29,080 Speaker 1: runs that meeting room. Cedric Tillman runs that position group, 94 00:04:29,200 --> 00:04:33,400 Speaker 1: and rightly, so that's one tough, hard, no smart team, 95 00:04:33,480 --> 00:04:36,640 Speaker 1: dedicated football players. Remember he heard an ankle this year 96 00:04:36,640 --> 00:04:39,640 Speaker 1: and had surgery. He didn't shut down the season. He 97 00:04:39,680 --> 00:04:42,479 Speaker 1: came back to play in order to help the team, 98 00:04:42,720 --> 00:04:44,640 Speaker 1: and he didn't shut it down into the bowl game. 99 00:04:45,680 --> 00:04:47,600 Speaker 1: It just tells you a lot about that young man 100 00:04:47,760 --> 00:04:49,960 Speaker 1: and tells you what you're getting. But as far as 101 00:04:50,040 --> 00:04:53,400 Speaker 1: high it's in him, there's no question. Because my point 102 00:04:53,640 --> 00:04:56,919 Speaker 1: was what they told me is that last year he 103 00:04:57,000 --> 00:04:59,520 Speaker 1: got in a jugs gun every day. He decided he 104 00:04:59,560 --> 00:05:02,440 Speaker 1: needed more work on catching. He wanted to develop his game. 105 00:05:02,800 --> 00:05:06,440 Speaker 1: Two undercatches plus per day, trying to get himself a 106 00:05:06,440 --> 00:05:08,719 Speaker 1: little bit better. I can put the same type of 107 00:05:08,760 --> 00:05:11,160 Speaker 1: work into trying to work on that skill set as well, 108 00:05:11,279 --> 00:05:13,880 Speaker 1: So it'd be fun to watch. But I will say this, 109 00:05:14,000 --> 00:05:17,760 Speaker 1: John keeping on Cedrew Tillman because I do think he's 110 00:05:17,760 --> 00:05:19,279 Speaker 1: going to develop and be a heck of a pro 111 00:05:20,080 --> 00:05:24,120 Speaker 1: and maybe have a better career post Tennessee because two 112 00:05:24,400 --> 00:05:27,080 Speaker 1: twenty two was supposed to be his year and injury 113 00:05:27,080 --> 00:05:28,839 Speaker 1: getting the way of that. Yeah, I want to and 114 00:05:28,880 --> 00:05:31,359 Speaker 1: I was looking to It's perfect following the way he 115 00:05:31,400 --> 00:05:33,720 Speaker 1: did have a thousand yard year in two twenty one, 116 00:05:33,880 --> 00:05:35,520 Speaker 1: So it's not like he doesn't have some pelts up 117 00:05:35,520 --> 00:05:36,920 Speaker 1: on the wall. Yeah, And that's what I want to 118 00:05:36,920 --> 00:05:39,040 Speaker 1: ask you about because I watched his twenty twenty two 119 00:05:39,080 --> 00:05:41,719 Speaker 1: tape and I saw a big possession receiver, right, But 120 00:05:41,880 --> 00:05:44,880 Speaker 1: now I wonder how much that high ankle spray maybe 121 00:05:44,920 --> 00:05:46,919 Speaker 1: sucked away some of his athletics him. It's on my 122 00:05:46,960 --> 00:05:49,279 Speaker 1: list of tape to watch to go back and watches 123 00:05:49,360 --> 00:05:52,520 Speaker 1: twenty twenty one tape, especially against Alabama and Georgia, and 124 00:05:52,640 --> 00:05:55,080 Speaker 1: I'm told he's gonna look a lot more bursting. So 125 00:05:55,600 --> 00:05:58,240 Speaker 1: as someone that's watched him closely, is there more to 126 00:05:58,360 --> 00:06:00,200 Speaker 1: him that kind of that big possession guy that he 127 00:06:00,240 --> 00:06:03,039 Speaker 1: showed to be in twenty twenty two, No question, And 128 00:06:03,120 --> 00:06:05,520 Speaker 1: you just hit it when you watch that tape or 129 00:06:05,520 --> 00:06:08,160 Speaker 1: watch those tapes. Call me back and I'm pretty sure 130 00:06:08,200 --> 00:06:10,240 Speaker 1: you'll go, yeah, I see a little more bursts there. 131 00:06:10,560 --> 00:06:12,840 Speaker 1: He tried to play through some stuff last year. He 132 00:06:12,920 --> 00:06:15,800 Speaker 1: ended up getting the surgery, came back played again. You're 133 00:06:15,800 --> 00:06:17,840 Speaker 1: not gonna have the same bursts, the same lift that 134 00:06:17,920 --> 00:06:20,960 Speaker 1: you had prior to But go back and watch twenty 135 00:06:21,120 --> 00:06:24,560 Speaker 1: twenty one tape. He's not just a possession receiver. He 136 00:06:24,680 --> 00:06:26,480 Speaker 1: has that in him, but I think he has a 137 00:06:26,520 --> 00:06:28,240 Speaker 1: little bit more. Well, he has a lot more than that, 138 00:06:28,279 --> 00:06:31,360 Speaker 1: as far as I'm concerned, and that physical side of him, 139 00:06:31,800 --> 00:06:35,640 Speaker 1: which you gotta have nowadays because the corners are getting bigger. 140 00:06:35,839 --> 00:06:39,440 Speaker 1: You're running up against sauce gardeners now, all right, six three, 141 00:06:39,720 --> 00:06:42,680 Speaker 1: Terek Wollin, all right, you're running up against these corners 142 00:06:42,680 --> 00:06:45,680 Speaker 1: who have answered what the receivers have turned into. We've 143 00:06:45,680 --> 00:06:49,320 Speaker 1: gone to those long, long leggie You know three guards. 144 00:06:49,440 --> 00:06:52,240 Speaker 1: You know a three position player, and what I mean 145 00:06:52,240 --> 00:06:55,960 Speaker 1: by three position NBA basketball. One's a point guard. Two 146 00:06:56,080 --> 00:06:59,920 Speaker 1: is the shooting shooting guard. Three that's your small fall 147 00:07:00,040 --> 00:07:03,320 Speaker 1: word and no small forwards. They do damage in that league. 148 00:07:03,520 --> 00:07:06,599 Speaker 1: And you watched the think about the Chargers. Is that 149 00:07:06,720 --> 00:07:10,480 Speaker 1: not a team of hoop players? Yeah? In Alan, Mike Williams, 150 00:07:10,600 --> 00:07:14,720 Speaker 1: Josh Palmer, Right, I mean when they started going downfield 151 00:07:14,720 --> 00:07:16,640 Speaker 1: and the Charges have had those type of players for 152 00:07:16,640 --> 00:07:19,120 Speaker 1: a long time now. A lot of teams were trying 153 00:07:19,120 --> 00:07:22,040 Speaker 1: to put together receiving corps like that, and I think 154 00:07:22,040 --> 00:07:24,840 Speaker 1: the answer has been the defensive backs. We've seen a 155 00:07:24,840 --> 00:07:28,040 Speaker 1: lot of them flip and become those longer guys playing 156 00:07:28,080 --> 00:07:30,920 Speaker 1: on the other side. Trike Wolan was a wide receiver 157 00:07:31,120 --> 00:07:34,320 Speaker 1: at Texas San Antonio before flipping and making the movies 158 00:07:34,440 --> 00:07:38,080 Speaker 1: junior year. Absolutely, all right, let's jump over to a 159 00:07:38,120 --> 00:07:41,280 Speaker 1: different receiver here. Jordan Addison Charles, you know I watched 160 00:07:41,280 --> 00:07:43,720 Speaker 1: this tape. I think I had him neck and neck 161 00:07:43,760 --> 00:07:46,160 Speaker 1: with Jacksonthith's in JIGBA. I gotta be honest with you. 162 00:07:46,280 --> 00:07:48,320 Speaker 1: Thee hundred and seventy three pound thing worried me because 163 00:07:48,360 --> 00:07:50,679 Speaker 1: I didn't think I saw that light of a frame 164 00:07:50,720 --> 00:07:53,080 Speaker 1: on tape. It didn't scare me with Devanta Smith a 165 00:07:53,080 --> 00:07:55,000 Speaker 1: couple of years ago because I saw him beat press 166 00:07:55,080 --> 00:07:57,040 Speaker 1: constantly in Alabama and it wasn't a worry for me. 167 00:07:57,560 --> 00:08:00,520 Speaker 1: I'm not sure i've seen that to the same exting Davadison. 168 00:08:00,520 --> 00:08:02,640 Speaker 1: I don't think he's good of an athlete. Is Davonta Smith? 169 00:08:03,160 --> 00:08:05,800 Speaker 1: Where do you sit on Jordan Addison? What's his ceiling? 170 00:08:06,080 --> 00:08:08,000 Speaker 1: Is it more of Is he more of a two? 171 00:08:08,080 --> 00:08:10,400 Speaker 1: Can he play outside the seam? Is more of a slot? 172 00:08:10,600 --> 00:08:12,240 Speaker 1: Because I think he's a guy that could be sitting 173 00:08:12,280 --> 00:08:14,560 Speaker 1: there at twenty five for the Giants if they think 174 00:08:14,560 --> 00:08:16,760 Speaker 1: he's a guy they want to pick. Yeah, I think 175 00:08:16,880 --> 00:08:19,360 Speaker 1: he's got a good chance of sitting there. There may 176 00:08:19,400 --> 00:08:22,440 Speaker 1: be a few others as well. John. We talked about this, 177 00:08:22,520 --> 00:08:24,720 Speaker 1: I think at the combine, and I think at that 178 00:08:24,880 --> 00:08:29,080 Speaker 1: time I said, don't know if you agreed, didn't didn't agree, 179 00:08:29,120 --> 00:08:32,040 Speaker 1: whatever it was. We're probably not have seven receivers in 180 00:08:32,040 --> 00:08:35,000 Speaker 1: the first round as we have had in the past, 181 00:08:35,559 --> 00:08:38,800 Speaker 1: But I still think there's seven rounds of receivers available. Yeah. Sure, 182 00:08:39,440 --> 00:08:41,319 Speaker 1: And that's why I think we're gonna have a bunch 183 00:08:41,320 --> 00:08:43,760 Speaker 1: of them sitting in that area around where the giants 184 00:08:43,760 --> 00:08:46,680 Speaker 1: are going to pick Jordan Addison being one of them. 185 00:08:47,280 --> 00:08:50,400 Speaker 1: He is not, you know, he has not shown so 186 00:08:50,520 --> 00:08:54,520 Speaker 1: far those things that you were saying you saw Davante Smith. 187 00:08:55,000 --> 00:08:57,199 Speaker 1: But at the same time, go back to the pit 188 00:08:57,320 --> 00:09:02,160 Speaker 1: film moving to usc Remember we were talking about Jalen 189 00:09:02,240 --> 00:09:05,400 Speaker 1: Hyatt and how they were getting him off the ball. Well, 190 00:09:05,400 --> 00:09:08,120 Speaker 1: these creative offensive guys were doing the same thing with 191 00:09:08,200 --> 00:09:11,200 Speaker 1: Jordan Addison. Move them. I mean, go ahead as you 192 00:09:11,280 --> 00:09:13,080 Speaker 1: charted and figure out how many times you saw him 193 00:09:13,120 --> 00:09:14,520 Speaker 1: in this spot, how many times you saw him in 194 00:09:14,520 --> 00:09:16,840 Speaker 1: this spot? How many telling you something? He's playing? Where's 195 00:09:16,840 --> 00:09:20,040 Speaker 1: wald up? And they're getting him on the move to 196 00:09:20,160 --> 00:09:22,240 Speaker 1: make sure, hey, you can't just come up and jam 197 00:09:22,240 --> 00:09:24,560 Speaker 1: and press and do all those things. I'm seeing that 198 00:09:24,600 --> 00:09:26,440 Speaker 1: out a lot of those, a lot of the receivers 199 00:09:26,480 --> 00:09:29,320 Speaker 1: in this year's class, because of what you talked about, 200 00:09:29,559 --> 00:09:32,760 Speaker 1: not many of them are big people. The top guys 201 00:09:32,840 --> 00:09:36,320 Speaker 1: we have rated are just not big people overall. Quinton 202 00:09:36,400 --> 00:09:40,959 Speaker 1: Johnston would be the biggest right at the upper tier group. 203 00:09:41,440 --> 00:09:43,520 Speaker 1: The rest of them, I mean, Jalen Hyatt is a 204 00:09:43,520 --> 00:09:46,400 Speaker 1: one hundred and eighty pounds. You know, Geordan Addison just 205 00:09:46,440 --> 00:09:49,320 Speaker 1: mentioned one seventy three. What is a flowers gonna clock in? 206 00:09:49,920 --> 00:09:52,600 Speaker 1: We're not talking giants, but we're also talking guys who 207 00:09:52,600 --> 00:09:56,280 Speaker 1: have been skillfully maneuvered around and probably no more than 208 00:09:56,320 --> 00:09:59,240 Speaker 1: one position, which is which is a very good thing 209 00:09:59,240 --> 00:10:02,080 Speaker 1: in the NFL now, because the way people defend you, 210 00:10:02,559 --> 00:10:04,960 Speaker 1: it behooves you to know more than one position so 211 00:10:05,000 --> 00:10:07,480 Speaker 1: they can't just zero in on you. All right, so 212 00:10:07,559 --> 00:10:10,160 Speaker 1: we're talking. Then let's say round one you want to pass, 213 00:10:10,200 --> 00:10:11,800 Speaker 1: because your point I think day two is going to be, 214 00:10:11,880 --> 00:10:14,080 Speaker 1: especially around three, is literally with good receivers you could 215 00:10:14,080 --> 00:10:16,880 Speaker 1: find right if you are for an outside receiver, Charles, 216 00:10:17,120 --> 00:10:19,760 Speaker 1: giants have a million slot guys. I'm not interested. Talk 217 00:10:19,800 --> 00:10:22,920 Speaker 1: to me. Talk to me about some outside guys that 218 00:10:23,040 --> 00:10:25,320 Speaker 1: you like on day two that you think can come 219 00:10:25,320 --> 00:10:27,640 Speaker 1: in and help rite away and develop into an outside 220 00:10:27,720 --> 00:10:30,640 Speaker 1: threat to complement some of those fast and quick guys 221 00:10:30,640 --> 00:10:33,160 Speaker 1: that giants have inside. I'm an at Perry guy myself. 222 00:10:33,480 --> 00:10:34,960 Speaker 1: I'd like to hear some of the guys you like 223 00:10:35,040 --> 00:10:38,200 Speaker 1: on day two, and I think at Perry got your 224 00:10:38,240 --> 00:10:40,600 Speaker 1: attention even more when he ran what four four wanted 225 00:10:40,679 --> 00:10:43,480 Speaker 1: to combine Yep. That helped a lot, right. I think 226 00:10:43,520 --> 00:10:45,520 Speaker 1: he ran in that neighborhood. If I don't have it exactly, 227 00:10:45,640 --> 00:10:47,560 Speaker 1: I think it's a four four six maybe something like that. 228 00:10:47,600 --> 00:10:49,400 Speaker 1: He was in that area. I gave him. I gave 229 00:10:49,440 --> 00:10:52,679 Speaker 1: him a point zero five advantage there, Okay, I gave 230 00:10:52,760 --> 00:10:56,320 Speaker 1: him that wake forest you know, GPA extra. So in 231 00:10:56,400 --> 00:10:59,920 Speaker 1: any event, though, four or four six out of eight 232 00:11:00,040 --> 00:11:03,319 Speaker 1: t Perry. My guess is that going into the combine 233 00:11:03,360 --> 00:11:05,040 Speaker 1: and you had him in the four or fives, Yep, 234 00:11:06,200 --> 00:11:08,520 Speaker 1: I think we all did by watching him on tape. 235 00:11:09,160 --> 00:11:12,720 Speaker 1: He tested faster than maybe we saw him play. But 236 00:11:12,800 --> 00:11:17,679 Speaker 1: what's the difference for at perry size? Body control, ability 237 00:11:17,720 --> 00:11:20,520 Speaker 1: to go up and get it, tracking the ball to right. 238 00:11:20,960 --> 00:11:24,480 Speaker 1: He'll body you off, terrific ball skills, knows how to 239 00:11:24,520 --> 00:11:26,840 Speaker 1: position you, really will to make sure he's got the 240 00:11:26,880 --> 00:11:29,400 Speaker 1: advantage going up and getting the football. I think he's 241 00:11:29,400 --> 00:11:32,800 Speaker 1: a very smart receiver that way. How about Xavier Hutchinson. 242 00:11:33,000 --> 00:11:36,000 Speaker 1: He showed me something at the combine and during the 243 00:11:36,000 --> 00:11:38,040 Speaker 1: week of the Senior Bowl, because this is a young 244 00:11:38,080 --> 00:11:39,960 Speaker 1: man who gave me a little more dart than bobably 245 00:11:40,000 --> 00:11:42,240 Speaker 1: what I expected to see, and part of it I 246 00:11:42,240 --> 00:11:45,280 Speaker 1: think John is Sometimes we end up falling back on 247 00:11:45,360 --> 00:11:48,679 Speaker 1: what we've seen before from certain schools. Okay, like think 248 00:11:48,720 --> 00:11:52,360 Speaker 1: about offensive tackle this year, Rashaan Slater. We had debates 249 00:11:52,400 --> 00:11:54,840 Speaker 1: about is he big enough, is he lengthy enough? Is 250 00:11:54,880 --> 00:11:57,520 Speaker 1: he this and he's holding it down with the Chargers, 251 00:11:57,800 --> 00:12:00,520 Speaker 1: or have the same debate about Peter Scronsky, Right, and 252 00:12:00,600 --> 00:12:03,240 Speaker 1: so after a while ago, well Northwestern left tackle. Well 253 00:12:03,240 --> 00:12:05,640 Speaker 1: that's two guys. But that's how we end up doing. 254 00:12:06,120 --> 00:12:10,400 Speaker 1: Hutchinson coming out of Iowa stayed. Now we're into what 255 00:12:10,400 --> 00:12:14,640 Speaker 1: we've seen in the past. Hakim Butler, right, I think 256 00:12:14,640 --> 00:12:17,280 Speaker 1: that Hutchinson's a little quicker than Hakim Butler. I think 257 00:12:17,280 --> 00:12:20,800 Speaker 1: he's a little got a little more movement skill, better 258 00:12:20,880 --> 00:12:24,440 Speaker 1: route runner and snatches the football. I like him. He'd 259 00:12:24,440 --> 00:12:26,600 Speaker 1: be another guy that I would like on the outside. 260 00:12:27,040 --> 00:12:30,640 Speaker 1: I think that, you know, Charlie Jones from Purdue really 261 00:12:30,679 --> 00:12:35,360 Speaker 1: fascinates me. Great hands, twenty one catches as the year 262 00:12:35,440 --> 00:12:39,559 Speaker 1: before at Iowa, which as we know, is offensively challenged, 263 00:12:40,600 --> 00:12:43,640 Speaker 1: but he had movement skills the entire time. And people 264 00:12:43,640 --> 00:12:45,839 Speaker 1: are like, everybody looks at me funny when I say that, 265 00:12:45,920 --> 00:12:48,600 Speaker 1: They'll like, he got twenty one balls. I said, well, 266 00:12:48,920 --> 00:12:50,920 Speaker 1: not many people caught more than that at Iowa. I'm 267 00:12:50,960 --> 00:12:53,800 Speaker 1: pretty willing to predict that. But he also was the 268 00:12:53,800 --> 00:12:56,280 Speaker 1: returner of the Year in the Big Ten. So this 269 00:12:56,320 --> 00:12:58,319 Speaker 1: guy we knew could scoot a little, what did he 270 00:12:58,400 --> 00:13:01,720 Speaker 1: run it to combine? Yeah? Four four three? I think 271 00:13:01,800 --> 00:13:04,720 Speaker 1: he was very fair. Great, what did you say about him? 272 00:13:04,720 --> 00:13:08,160 Speaker 1: But before hands, he's got him like he's an excellent 273 00:13:08,240 --> 00:13:11,559 Speaker 1: route runner. And he goes to Purdue and let's face it, John, 274 00:13:12,640 --> 00:13:15,600 Speaker 1: if we if they cryogenically freeze us and bring us 275 00:13:15,600 --> 00:13:18,440 Speaker 1: back one hundred years from now, Purdue is going to 276 00:13:18,520 --> 00:13:20,800 Speaker 1: be throw Purdue is gonna throw the football around and 277 00:13:20,800 --> 00:13:24,360 Speaker 1: throw it around. Well, it just doesn't matter, don't matter 278 00:13:24,400 --> 00:13:27,880 Speaker 1: who's coaching, doesn't matter what era. They're gonna have pictures 279 00:13:27,920 --> 00:13:29,719 Speaker 1: and they're gonna have catchers. We can go all the 280 00:13:29,760 --> 00:13:32,920 Speaker 1: way back, can't we. Let Buston is out of Purdue, 281 00:13:33,360 --> 00:13:36,760 Speaker 1: Bob Greasey's out of Purdue, Gary Danielson's out of Purdue, 282 00:13:37,040 --> 00:13:41,240 Speaker 1: Drew Brees is out of Purdue, Jim Everett's out of Purdue. Right, 283 00:13:41,320 --> 00:13:43,760 Speaker 1: I can go on all day, and then he starts 284 00:13:43,800 --> 00:13:46,640 Speaker 1: looking at the guys who have played Remember Taylor Stubblefield. 285 00:13:47,000 --> 00:13:49,280 Speaker 1: Come on, I mean, these guys can flat out and 286 00:13:49,320 --> 00:13:51,959 Speaker 1: do it because they know how to throw it. Charlie 287 00:13:52,040 --> 00:13:54,959 Speaker 1: Jones made a great move going there and being visible, 288 00:13:55,240 --> 00:13:58,560 Speaker 1: and I thought he followed it up with a tremendous combine. Yeah, 289 00:13:58,559 --> 00:14:00,520 Speaker 1: I'm with the hundred percent. All right, let's let let's 290 00:14:00,520 --> 00:14:02,120 Speaker 1: go to the guys that's gonna cover these wide receivers 291 00:14:02,160 --> 00:14:04,079 Speaker 1: of quarterbacks. Charles and I think we have a good 292 00:14:04,120 --> 00:14:05,800 Speaker 1: feel for the guys at the top of this class. 293 00:14:06,160 --> 00:14:07,760 Speaker 1: I want to talk a little bit about Day two guys, 294 00:14:07,800 --> 00:14:09,560 Speaker 1: because I think we're gonna have a run here on 295 00:14:09,640 --> 00:14:12,160 Speaker 1: corners in that you know, late round one, early round 296 00:14:12,160 --> 00:14:15,720 Speaker 1: two areas you'll always do right and you have to, Yeah, 297 00:14:15,760 --> 00:14:17,280 Speaker 1: you have to because you need guys that can cover. 298 00:14:17,360 --> 00:14:19,080 Speaker 1: And frankly, if you look back at the history of 299 00:14:19,120 --> 00:14:21,400 Speaker 1: those area and those picks, it's it's it's kind of 300 00:14:21,400 --> 00:14:24,680 Speaker 1: a wasteland. I think it's it's hard to draft corners 301 00:14:24,760 --> 00:14:27,760 Speaker 1: right and leaving at least for the giants, you know 302 00:14:27,840 --> 00:14:31,120 Speaker 1: what you're looking for. Wink Marndale is gonna press, he's 303 00:14:31,160 --> 00:14:35,160 Speaker 1: gonna get physical, and he's gonna play man. So let's 304 00:14:35,200 --> 00:14:39,760 Speaker 1: throw banks Porter witherspoon and, Um, who am I forgetting 305 00:14:39,800 --> 00:14:42,280 Speaker 1: Gonzalez out? Let's say that they're not there? Who are 306 00:14:42,320 --> 00:14:47,120 Speaker 1: some of the banks Porter Gonzalez witherspoon Er out, Yeah, 307 00:14:47,240 --> 00:14:48,840 Speaker 1: let's throw them out. Who are some of the press 308 00:14:48,880 --> 00:14:52,280 Speaker 1: man corners that that you really like in this? Are 309 00:14:52,280 --> 00:14:54,840 Speaker 1: you not throwing Forbes out? You're keeping Forbes? I think 310 00:14:54,880 --> 00:14:57,000 Speaker 1: Forbes could be there at twenty five, To be honest 311 00:14:57,040 --> 00:14:59,240 Speaker 1: with you, busy because he's one hundred and sixty five pounds, 312 00:14:59,560 --> 00:15:01,240 Speaker 1: I think you're right. I think he could very well 313 00:15:01,280 --> 00:15:04,120 Speaker 1: be there. And I've watched him again to Dad plugged 314 00:15:04,120 --> 00:15:08,080 Speaker 1: it back in because his tape is phenomenal and it's 315 00:15:08,200 --> 00:15:11,720 Speaker 1: multiple ways. Yes, one hundred and sixty five, two hundred 316 00:15:11,720 --> 00:15:15,680 Speaker 1: and seventy pounds done back down from anything. What a 317 00:15:15,680 --> 00:15:18,360 Speaker 1: little bit of backside he has he brings with him 318 00:15:18,360 --> 00:15:20,680 Speaker 1: every single time when he goes to tackle. He's not 319 00:15:20,760 --> 00:15:24,440 Speaker 1: just tripping you up and cut and cut blocking you down. 320 00:15:24,520 --> 00:15:27,520 Speaker 1: He's trying to form tackle and get in there. Sometimes 321 00:15:27,520 --> 00:15:29,280 Speaker 1: it doesn't carry as much punch as he would like, 322 00:15:29,520 --> 00:15:33,280 Speaker 1: but he's launching all right. Most part, he is getting 323 00:15:33,320 --> 00:15:37,680 Speaker 1: the job done instincts. Every year I go back and 324 00:15:37,720 --> 00:15:42,280 Speaker 1: say Okay, who is my you know, honey Badger this year? Right, 325 00:15:42,320 --> 00:15:46,080 Speaker 1: who is my tyrant Matthew Patron Saint of instincts? In 326 00:15:46,120 --> 00:15:49,040 Speaker 1: recent years, I thought Elijah Molden came out of school 327 00:15:49,080 --> 00:15:52,440 Speaker 1: like that. He's been dinged up in Tennessee, Antoine Winfield 328 00:15:52,440 --> 00:15:56,200 Speaker 1: came out like that in Minnesota. Mostly it's been safeties. 329 00:15:56,320 --> 00:15:59,360 Speaker 1: Right this year, I think it's Forbes. I think his 330 00:15:59,520 --> 00:16:04,400 Speaker 1: instinct ability to be around the football and catch it. John, 331 00:16:04,480 --> 00:16:06,680 Speaker 1: you've watched him on tape. I think he had three 332 00:16:06,800 --> 00:16:09,760 Speaker 1: this year that we're off of tips. Yeah, he either 333 00:16:09,840 --> 00:16:13,040 Speaker 1: created or off of the defense and off of the 334 00:16:13,040 --> 00:16:15,080 Speaker 1: offensive player, and all of a sudden, it's like tip bootman, 335 00:16:15,120 --> 00:16:17,960 Speaker 1: He's got it ball. His ball skills has Atlanta Treyvon 336 00:16:18,000 --> 00:16:20,840 Speaker 1: Diggs in him, a lot of Treyvon. It is a 337 00:16:20,880 --> 00:16:23,080 Speaker 1: great way of putting it. Plus, you go back to 338 00:16:23,160 --> 00:16:25,840 Speaker 1: high school and he had seven returns for touchdowns in 339 00:16:25,960 --> 00:16:29,640 Speaker 1: high school, so predictive behavior does come into play. Six 340 00:16:29,680 --> 00:16:33,200 Speaker 1: in college fourteen interceptions overall, so he could be there 341 00:16:33,640 --> 00:16:37,400 Speaker 1: at that time. You mentioned Banks from Maryland. His running 342 00:16:37,400 --> 00:16:40,960 Speaker 1: mate Jakorean Bennett is a really good player on the 343 00:16:41,000 --> 00:16:45,800 Speaker 1: other side and not afraid to come up and hitch him. 344 00:16:45,800 --> 00:16:48,000 Speaker 1: Not afraid to tackle you, not afraid to be a 345 00:16:48,040 --> 00:16:51,280 Speaker 1: part of the run game, and is very aggressive up 346 00:16:51,280 --> 00:16:54,840 Speaker 1: playing press, up playing man loves to do it. He's 347 00:16:54,880 --> 00:16:57,200 Speaker 1: another guy I'd look for as we get past that 348 00:16:57,360 --> 00:16:59,960 Speaker 1: first round and we start to get in that Tyreek's 349 00:17:00,040 --> 00:17:03,120 Speaker 1: Stevenson from the University of Miami would be another that 350 00:17:03,120 --> 00:17:06,280 Speaker 1: comes to mind because remember he was at Georgia's starting 351 00:17:06,280 --> 00:17:09,480 Speaker 1: at the nickel as a freshman. He left Georgia a 352 00:17:09,600 --> 00:17:13,119 Speaker 1: national championship about to be team because he wanted to 353 00:17:13,200 --> 00:17:15,159 Speaker 1: play on the outside, because he would have been he 354 00:17:15,160 --> 00:17:17,880 Speaker 1: would have been playing inside his entire time. He thought 355 00:17:17,960 --> 00:17:21,400 Speaker 1: his future was outside. He goes to Miami and had 356 00:17:21,400 --> 00:17:23,320 Speaker 1: a really good week of the Senior Bowl to confirm 357 00:17:23,400 --> 00:17:26,520 Speaker 1: all of that. You know, the one that I think 358 00:17:26,560 --> 00:17:28,600 Speaker 1: is the biggest wild card in the whole thing is 359 00:17:28,880 --> 00:17:32,640 Speaker 1: Keiley Ringo from Georgia. You know, Stevenson Michael ahead of him, 360 00:17:32,640 --> 00:17:34,840 Speaker 1: which is hilarious given that he transferred to leaving Jim 361 00:17:34,920 --> 00:17:38,280 Speaker 1: and he transferred out right. It also is because coming 362 00:17:38,280 --> 00:17:41,040 Speaker 1: into the season was Keiley Ringo now a lock first 363 00:17:41,119 --> 00:17:43,000 Speaker 1: rounder and oh yeah, he might have been a top 364 00:17:43,040 --> 00:17:47,120 Speaker 1: fifteen pick before the year started, Charles, no question, but 365 00:17:47,320 --> 00:17:51,320 Speaker 1: the athletic ability is not gone where he has gotten hurt. 366 00:17:51,800 --> 00:17:54,000 Speaker 1: And it reminds me a little bit with Marlin Humphrey 367 00:17:54,080 --> 00:17:56,600 Speaker 1: was coming out. How many times did we talk about 368 00:17:56,600 --> 00:18:00,200 Speaker 1: Marlin Humphrey? Can he find the football? Marlin Humphrey? Does 369 00:18:00,200 --> 00:18:04,080 Speaker 1: he have ball skills? We don't ask those questions anymore. Plus, 370 00:18:04,080 --> 00:18:06,240 Speaker 1: Marlon Humphrey will will punch you in the gut and 371 00:18:06,280 --> 00:18:09,520 Speaker 1: take the ball away from you anyway. Ringo with that 372 00:18:09,600 --> 00:18:12,800 Speaker 1: big rain, with that athletic ability, can be that type 373 00:18:12,800 --> 00:18:14,840 Speaker 1: of a player. But when we went through that with 374 00:18:14,920 --> 00:18:16,960 Speaker 1: Stokes coming out of George a couple of weeks ago, 375 00:18:17,680 --> 00:18:20,000 Speaker 1: I mean a couple of years ago. So we've gone 376 00:18:20,000 --> 00:18:23,760 Speaker 1: through all that. Apologize. The pups are pretty fired up 377 00:18:23,760 --> 00:18:26,760 Speaker 1: this afternoon. Maybe they want to go play a little press, Charles. 378 00:18:26,920 --> 00:18:29,560 Speaker 1: We are talking about the Bulldogs. I get it. I 379 00:18:29,640 --> 00:18:32,120 Speaker 1: mean they come into play the guy. There's a guy 380 00:18:32,119 --> 00:18:34,359 Speaker 1: that I really like, but we're not talking outside corner. 381 00:18:34,400 --> 00:18:40,360 Speaker 1: That's Clark Phillips at a few times, right, Big great Bill, 382 00:18:40,520 --> 00:18:43,240 Speaker 1: great instincts, knows how to find the football, tackles in 383 00:18:43,280 --> 00:18:46,480 Speaker 1: the run game. He'll play inside and he'll play really 384 00:18:46,520 --> 00:18:48,480 Speaker 1: well if I had to mention him, because he's a 385 00:18:48,520 --> 00:18:51,959 Speaker 1: type of player that keeps getting overlooked because we know 386 00:18:52,000 --> 00:18:54,840 Speaker 1: where he's going to end up fitting right, So when 387 00:18:54,840 --> 00:18:57,320 Speaker 1: we're talking about outside corners, I don't think we're thinking 388 00:18:57,320 --> 00:19:00,200 Speaker 1: Clark Phillips, but boys, he a good football player. Yea. Though, 389 00:19:00,240 --> 00:19:02,120 Speaker 1: Darius Rush in the mix two I thought was great 390 00:19:02,160 --> 00:19:04,199 Speaker 1: at mobile and he's big two, like he'll get his 391 00:19:04,200 --> 00:19:06,760 Speaker 1: paws on your former wide receiver. That dude runs routes 392 00:19:06,760 --> 00:19:10,600 Speaker 1: for the receiver. Big of it this way. At one 393 00:19:10,680 --> 00:19:13,800 Speaker 1: point at the University of South Carolina in their defensive 394 00:19:13,800 --> 00:19:18,800 Speaker 1: back meeting room in the not too distant past, J C. Horne, 395 00:19:20,119 --> 00:19:25,080 Speaker 1: Jamie Robinson finished up in Florida State, Cam Smith, and 396 00:19:25,240 --> 00:19:28,359 Speaker 1: Darius Rush, who are bad rafted this year on the corner. 397 00:19:28,680 --> 00:19:33,720 Speaker 1: All four were in the meeting room at the same time. Yeah, 398 00:19:33,800 --> 00:19:36,919 Speaker 1: it's not bad. Are you a believer in any of 399 00:19:36,920 --> 00:19:39,960 Speaker 1: these interior offensive lineman's guards are centers late first round 400 00:19:40,000 --> 00:19:41,760 Speaker 1: picks or would you hang out at that spot till 401 00:19:41,840 --> 00:19:45,040 Speaker 1: day two? I think for the most part, people are 402 00:19:45,040 --> 00:19:47,439 Speaker 1: going to want to hang there. If someone is a believer, 403 00:19:47,520 --> 00:19:51,680 Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure it's gonna be o Cyrus Torrance from Florida. 404 00:19:51,840 --> 00:19:54,800 Speaker 1: There is a wild card in there inside though, two 405 00:19:54,800 --> 00:20:02,200 Speaker 1: wild cards if you want this year's Travis Frederick where 406 00:20:02,200 --> 00:20:06,480 Speaker 1: everyone goes what you're taking him there, Joe Tipman coming 407 00:20:06,480 --> 00:20:10,080 Speaker 1: from Wisconsin. You like Tipman better than Schmidt's, huh? I 408 00:20:10,200 --> 00:20:14,159 Speaker 1: like him better than Schmith's for this reason movement. And 409 00:20:14,240 --> 00:20:16,960 Speaker 1: when I say like him better, you know it's a 410 00:20:17,480 --> 00:20:21,159 Speaker 1: of course if you said me Schmidt's, I'm hugging him 411 00:20:21,200 --> 00:20:26,080 Speaker 1: and saying sun You're starting on Sunday. But when you 412 00:20:26,200 --> 00:20:30,399 Speaker 1: watch Tipman, he is a long version. He looks like 413 00:20:30,440 --> 00:20:34,840 Speaker 1: Frank Ragg Now right in Detroit, we're used to these 414 00:20:34,880 --> 00:20:39,520 Speaker 1: sawed off centers, right, But he moves a lot like Kelsey. 415 00:20:39,760 --> 00:20:42,159 Speaker 1: And I know that that sounds really rich, and I 416 00:20:42,200 --> 00:20:44,840 Speaker 1: don't mean for it, dude. I'm not saying he's Kelsey, 417 00:20:45,119 --> 00:20:48,680 Speaker 1: Jason Kelsey, but he has that type of movement skill. 418 00:20:49,040 --> 00:20:51,119 Speaker 1: Watch them in the run game, which I know you 419 00:20:51,200 --> 00:20:53,600 Speaker 1: already have. How many times have you seen him snap 420 00:20:53,640 --> 00:20:56,399 Speaker 1: it and lead? How many times have you seen the 421 00:20:56,480 --> 00:21:00,920 Speaker 1: quarterback draw or a draw play he snaps at one count, 422 00:21:01,000 --> 00:21:04,240 Speaker 1: get out in front? Does that? Is that not Philadelphia's 423 00:21:04,280 --> 00:21:06,600 Speaker 1: offense with Kelsey. Yeah, and then and then you go 424 00:21:06,640 --> 00:21:11,080 Speaker 1: on Block City, by the way, exactly, He'll reach that 425 00:21:11,160 --> 00:21:13,960 Speaker 1: three technique all day long. It's just he snaps the ball, 426 00:21:14,000 --> 00:21:15,919 Speaker 1: he reaches, he snaps the ball, he reaches, he snapps 427 00:21:15,920 --> 00:21:17,560 Speaker 1: the ball he reaches, and he's gonna hang in there 428 00:21:17,560 --> 00:21:19,560 Speaker 1: and bang with those guys used to it in Big 429 00:21:19,600 --> 00:21:23,840 Speaker 1: ten territory. But that's where I'm going with that. Torrens 430 00:21:23,880 --> 00:21:28,040 Speaker 1: from Florida. He was a butt kicker at Louisiana. It 431 00:21:28,160 --> 00:21:30,520 Speaker 1: was a butt kicker at Florida. He just carried it 432 00:21:30,560 --> 00:21:33,400 Speaker 1: with it. There was no difference. And by the way, 433 00:21:34,160 --> 00:21:36,760 Speaker 1: plug in that Georgia, Florida tape and watch him go 434 00:21:36,920 --> 00:21:40,280 Speaker 1: chest to chess with Jalen Carter all day. That was fun. 435 00:21:40,840 --> 00:21:43,080 Speaker 1: Like two mastodons meeting in the middle of the big 436 00:21:43,080 --> 00:21:45,960 Speaker 1: big park somewhere. When you go to Jurassic those two 437 00:21:45,960 --> 00:21:48,200 Speaker 1: of them putting on the show for you. So so 438 00:21:48,320 --> 00:21:50,840 Speaker 1: that's what you're talking about. About. If we get it 439 00:21:51,240 --> 00:21:54,720 Speaker 1: a tipman, if someone likes Schmidt's better, I don't think 440 00:21:54,800 --> 00:21:57,359 Speaker 1: Luca Whippler from Ohio State gets in that conversation in 441 00:21:57,440 --> 00:22:00,520 Speaker 1: the first round, but I do think Osiris Arence does 442 00:22:00,640 --> 00:22:04,720 Speaker 1: and I'll give you one more wildcard, potentially Steve a Vilo. Ooh, 443 00:22:05,040 --> 00:22:06,560 Speaker 1: I was gonna ask you about him. I'll tell what. 444 00:22:06,600 --> 00:22:09,800 Speaker 1: I watched his center tape from twenty twenty one yesterday. 445 00:22:10,200 --> 00:22:14,080 Speaker 1: It's really good, too, so good. He's got flex new 446 00:22:14,440 --> 00:22:17,119 Speaker 1: he can play center, he can play guard, whatever you 447 00:22:17,160 --> 00:22:20,040 Speaker 1: want out of him. He could be that wild card 448 00:22:20,200 --> 00:22:22,480 Speaker 1: at the end of the first where somebody decides I 449 00:22:22,560 --> 00:22:25,520 Speaker 1: want that interior guy to help my people. He could 450 00:22:25,520 --> 00:22:27,600 Speaker 1: be that next one in so so we'll keep an 451 00:22:27,600 --> 00:22:30,480 Speaker 1: eye more likely to get into the second. But you 452 00:22:30,560 --> 00:22:33,080 Speaker 1: know we always have wild cards at the end. Think 453 00:22:33,119 --> 00:22:35,199 Speaker 1: of it this way for runners, and you haven't asked yet. 454 00:22:35,240 --> 00:22:36,879 Speaker 1: I'm gonna throw it out there anyway, because you and 455 00:22:36,920 --> 00:22:41,120 Speaker 1: I have that kind of relationship. Be Jean Robinson, I've 456 00:22:41,160 --> 00:22:45,400 Speaker 1: already predicted Philadelphia tend to start. Oh, don't don't say 457 00:22:45,400 --> 00:22:49,119 Speaker 1: that the Giant fans, Dude, that's gonna be a nightmare starter. 458 00:22:49,560 --> 00:22:52,080 Speaker 1: And I know Giants fans had a stroke going back 459 00:22:52,160 --> 00:22:54,359 Speaker 1: years ago when things weren't going so great and getting 460 00:22:54,400 --> 00:22:57,840 Speaker 1: Barkley at two. If you didn't have Barkley last year, 461 00:22:57,840 --> 00:23:01,920 Speaker 1: are get in the playoffs? Nope? Okay, So coach, gentleman, 462 00:23:02,960 --> 00:23:06,919 Speaker 1: congratulation nailed Balwin because he gave you an identity and 463 00:23:07,080 --> 00:23:10,560 Speaker 1: played to his potential and even improved where I thought 464 00:23:10,560 --> 00:23:13,199 Speaker 1: sat Quan improved. The most slash year was dirty runs. Ye, 465 00:23:13,680 --> 00:23:15,680 Speaker 1: instead of everything being a balance in a balance in 466 00:23:15,720 --> 00:23:18,360 Speaker 1: a balance, he pressed runs, pressed runs, and he took 467 00:23:18,400 --> 00:23:21,200 Speaker 1: them two, he took some three, he took some once, 468 00:23:21,400 --> 00:23:24,120 Speaker 1: and then later on that became forty and and and 469 00:23:24,359 --> 00:23:27,639 Speaker 1: before he was trying to make everything forty. So he 470 00:23:27,720 --> 00:23:30,680 Speaker 1: got better doing what he's doing. Robinson's the next, the 471 00:23:30,760 --> 00:23:35,920 Speaker 1: next incarnation of sa Quan in so many ways football. 472 00:23:36,119 --> 00:23:39,080 Speaker 1: He's not McCaffrey catching it, but he's pretty dull the 473 00:23:39,200 --> 00:23:42,000 Speaker 1: good down field catching the ball. So let's say Philadelphia 474 00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:45,320 Speaker 1: at ten, New England at thirteen, I mean at fourteen, 475 00:23:46,240 --> 00:23:50,160 Speaker 1: Detroit at eighteen. Somebody in there I think is gonna 476 00:23:50,160 --> 00:23:52,640 Speaker 1: take him. I know, we keep talking about Buffalo taking 477 00:23:52,720 --> 00:23:55,600 Speaker 1: him down there. The thing about Buffalo is they have 478 00:23:55,760 --> 00:24:00,520 Speaker 1: they've had running backs. Will you use them? That's the key, 479 00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:03,040 Speaker 1: because they gotta take some hits off of Josh at 480 00:24:03,080 --> 00:24:05,480 Speaker 1: some point. That's my opinion. And I can tell you 481 00:24:05,560 --> 00:24:07,720 Speaker 1: right now Brandon Bean's ready to close line he's sick 482 00:24:07,720 --> 00:24:09,720 Speaker 1: of hearing me say the same thing over. Now. I'll 483 00:24:09,760 --> 00:24:11,720 Speaker 1: tell you what, Charles, you know you mentioned the running 484 00:24:11,720 --> 00:24:13,600 Speaker 1: back class, and we'll wrap up here with a couple 485 00:24:13,640 --> 00:24:16,320 Speaker 1: more questions. You know you only have a couple. I 486 00:24:16,359 --> 00:24:18,680 Speaker 1: think bell co House Bijan's one of them. I think 487 00:24:18,760 --> 00:24:21,359 Speaker 1: Zach Charbonnet is one of them. Right, Charbonne is a 488 00:24:21,400 --> 00:24:23,600 Speaker 1: bell cow. The other guy was gonna mention the end 489 00:24:23,640 --> 00:24:25,200 Speaker 1: of the the first round, though, is not a bell cow. 490 00:24:25,359 --> 00:24:28,040 Speaker 1: Per se, Oh, Gabs is awesome, gives it, but gives 491 00:24:28,080 --> 00:24:31,160 Speaker 1: this terrific. And it reminds me when Clyde Edwards Laia 492 00:24:31,280 --> 00:24:33,359 Speaker 1: came out and Kansa City took him at thirty two. 493 00:24:34,119 --> 00:24:37,119 Speaker 1: If Philly doesn't take him at ten, could he be 494 00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:40,640 Speaker 1: the wild card guy at thirty That's a good one. 495 00:24:40,680 --> 00:24:42,280 Speaker 1: I like that. And then I think you get into 496 00:24:42,320 --> 00:24:45,439 Speaker 1: the mid rounds. You know there are running backs with 497 00:24:45,560 --> 00:24:48,679 Speaker 1: rolls through five rounds in this draft. You got the 498 00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:51,199 Speaker 1: big guys that run between the tackles like McBride and 499 00:24:51,280 --> 00:24:53,719 Speaker 1: Kendriy Miller and Rodriguez. Oh you want guys that can 500 00:24:53,800 --> 00:24:56,000 Speaker 1: run and be quick. Oh go grab Taji Spears or 501 00:24:56,080 --> 00:24:58,760 Speaker 1: Eric Gray like pick and choose like, there's a lot 502 00:24:58,800 --> 00:25:01,159 Speaker 1: of guys depending on the FLA that you want. Have 503 00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:03,919 Speaker 1: you seen Tavian Thomas from Utah? I have not watched 504 00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:07,200 Speaker 1: him yet. No, plug him in Another big guy, cam 505 00:25:07,280 --> 00:25:11,400 Speaker 1: People's Appalachian State. Another big guy. We're starting to get 506 00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:14,600 Speaker 1: those big backs coming back into play two years ago. 507 00:25:14,680 --> 00:25:16,480 Speaker 1: I didn't look for this year, but I bet a 508 00:25:16,560 --> 00:25:19,720 Speaker 1: similar two seasons ago. Seven of the top ten rushers 509 00:25:19,720 --> 00:25:22,840 Speaker 1: in the NFL two twenty or more. Yeah, Daniel Jeremiah, 510 00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:25,080 Speaker 1: your colleague has done this study. You look at all 511 00:25:25,119 --> 00:25:27,560 Speaker 1: the great running backs. They're all two fifteen plus all 512 00:25:27,560 --> 00:25:29,400 Speaker 1: of the big people now. And by the way, Alvin 513 00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:32,680 Speaker 1: Kamara is an easy two fifteen. Doesn't look it, but 514 00:25:32,800 --> 00:25:35,960 Speaker 1: he's two or fifteen pounds. Okay, these are bigger people 515 00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:38,560 Speaker 1: than then we might think. So that's all I'm saying 516 00:25:38,600 --> 00:25:41,000 Speaker 1: on that. Sorry about hijacking there. I didn't mean to 517 00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:43,040 Speaker 1: do that. Nah, you're all good man. And you know, 518 00:25:43,160 --> 00:25:45,440 Speaker 1: in addition to the running backs, and the Giants traded 519 00:25:45,520 --> 00:25:46,920 Speaker 1: for down Waller, So I'm kind of down with the 520 00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:48,840 Speaker 1: dumps about him because I love this tight end class 521 00:25:49,080 --> 00:25:50,720 Speaker 1: and I don't think the Giants really have a need 522 00:25:50,720 --> 00:25:52,919 Speaker 1: because they have Wallaw. They drafted down when your last year. 523 00:25:53,400 --> 00:25:55,800 Speaker 1: Nice job last year? Yeah he was really good. You know, 524 00:25:55,840 --> 00:25:58,119 Speaker 1: but if if you know, if Michael Mayer's sitting there 525 00:25:58,119 --> 00:26:00,040 Speaker 1: at twenty five, how do I pass on him? And 526 00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:02,600 Speaker 1: if don't thinking kids sitting there at twenty five, how 527 00:26:02,600 --> 00:26:05,840 Speaker 1: do I pass on him? I love Laporter in the 528 00:26:05,880 --> 00:26:08,000 Speaker 1: second round, but I don't see room for him. I 529 00:26:08,040 --> 00:26:10,560 Speaker 1: love this tight end class, Charles. It's great. It's a 530 00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:13,480 Speaker 1: phenomenal tight end class. And the one you hit is 531 00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:15,760 Speaker 1: the one that I'm really locked in because I really 532 00:26:15,800 --> 00:26:18,000 Speaker 1: feel like we're gonna get two in the first I 533 00:26:18,040 --> 00:26:20,359 Speaker 1: really feel like I'm gonna get Kincaid and Mayor Mayor 534 00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:23,080 Speaker 1: and Kincaid, one of those people are trying to sneak 535 00:26:23,119 --> 00:26:25,679 Speaker 1: Luke musgrave in from Oregon stayed in there. I just 536 00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:28,800 Speaker 1: don't know about full body of work. You know, he 537 00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:31,240 Speaker 1: played what two games last year there. I like Laporta 538 00:26:31,320 --> 00:26:34,480 Speaker 1: more than him myself. I am a huge Sam Laporter 539 00:26:34,560 --> 00:26:37,240 Speaker 1: from Iowa fan. Who I think is best is ahead 540 00:26:37,280 --> 00:26:40,320 Speaker 1: of him because again they really couldn't get into football 541 00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:44,000 Speaker 1: to him. But watching him at the Combine confirmed what 542 00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:46,280 Speaker 1: I thought I was seeing on tape. He is a 543 00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:50,640 Speaker 1: very easy mover. His route running's excellent. Okay, And of 544 00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:54,880 Speaker 1: course you don't come out of Iowa not block anyone. 545 00:26:56,359 --> 00:26:59,760 Speaker 1: You know, the head coach, Kirk Parents. Most head coaches, 546 00:26:59,800 --> 00:27:01,800 Speaker 1: you know, they have the position they coach and that's 547 00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:05,040 Speaker 1: where they hang people keep. Maybe it forgetting Kirk Parents 548 00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:08,040 Speaker 1: was an NFL offensive line coach. Yeah. He spends the 549 00:27:08,119 --> 00:27:11,560 Speaker 1: day with the offensive line much more than anywhere else. 550 00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:14,040 Speaker 1: And I've watched some of their practices and I think 551 00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:16,960 Speaker 1: to myself, it's a special person and there's a special 552 00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:20,240 Speaker 1: place for these young men one day somewhere having played 553 00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:22,919 Speaker 1: for Kirk Ference at Iowa play an offensive line because 554 00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:26,400 Speaker 1: they get a workout every day. We even talked about linebackers, Charles, 555 00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:28,280 Speaker 1: who are some of the linebackers you like in this class? 556 00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:29,879 Speaker 1: I know it's not a super strong class. I know 557 00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:32,480 Speaker 1: we're not talking first round here, but who are some 558 00:27:32,520 --> 00:27:34,080 Speaker 1: of the guys that that you've watched it, You're like, 559 00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:35,720 Speaker 1: you know what, not enough people are talking about this 560 00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:38,760 Speaker 1: dude a linebacker. Okay, there's not a ton of them, 561 00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:40,959 Speaker 1: but I'm gonna give you a few right off the top. Okay, 562 00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:44,639 Speaker 1: Jack Campbell, I will put a green dot on and 563 00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:47,399 Speaker 1: he's calling your defense. He's gonna show up. He's one 564 00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:50,280 Speaker 1: of a bigger, bigger linebackers. Kind of looks like Layton 565 00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:54,600 Speaker 1: Vanderesh Solids. A backer, plays the passing lanes, does all that. 566 00:27:54,920 --> 00:28:01,760 Speaker 1: Dan Henley former receiver, kick returner, safety, linebacker. He brings 567 00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:03,560 Speaker 1: some punch with him. Now he's not a huge guy, 568 00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:06,320 Speaker 1: but he's pretty darn good. I'm really crazy about him. 569 00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:11,359 Speaker 1: I've been paced from Cincinnati. You talk about polarizing Sam Mills, 570 00:28:11,720 --> 00:28:15,240 Speaker 1: he says, I guess gals tell me I'm not even 571 00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:16,840 Speaker 1: looking at and I got our scouts telling me I 572 00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:20,119 Speaker 1: love him to death because he shows up and guess what, 573 00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:23,840 Speaker 1: he's gonna be wrapped around the ball carrier. Okay, he 574 00:28:24,119 --> 00:28:27,400 Speaker 1: is a poor man, Zach Thomas in build you mentioned 575 00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:30,200 Speaker 1: Sam Mills, same type of a build. But yet at 576 00:28:30,200 --> 00:28:31,640 Speaker 1: the end of the game, how many times you're gonna 577 00:28:31,680 --> 00:28:33,600 Speaker 1: write down he had twelve tackles in this game and 578 00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:35,600 Speaker 1: made some plays. I'm gonna give you one that I'm 579 00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:40,520 Speaker 1: crazy about. They haven't talked about very much. Isaiah Moore, linebacker, 580 00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:43,200 Speaker 1: North Carolina State. If you haven't watched him, plug in 581 00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:45,000 Speaker 1: the tape and give me a call. And tell me 582 00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:48,120 Speaker 1: if my eyes are deceiving me, I will check it out. 583 00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:52,440 Speaker 1: Final question. These are all inside guys, Yeah, and you 584 00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:56,240 Speaker 1: want maybe the best past defender of an inside guy 585 00:28:56,360 --> 00:29:01,800 Speaker 1: in this draft. Henry Toetoe coming out of Alabama. Very good, 586 00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:03,880 Speaker 1: love it, love it all right, you've already mentioned some 587 00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:06,600 Speaker 1: of them. Give me some Charles David specials here. You know, 588 00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:08,800 Speaker 1: when you're sitting there at the desk on day three 589 00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:12,760 Speaker 1: with Daniel Jeremiah and you're like, oh, I was waiting 590 00:29:12,760 --> 00:29:14,560 Speaker 1: for this guy to get drafted, and like DJ just 591 00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:16,440 Speaker 1: shuts up. It says, Charles, take it away, because you're 592 00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:18,560 Speaker 1: so excited to talk about this guy. Give you a 593 00:29:18,560 --> 00:29:20,920 Speaker 1: couple of those guys that you know what I'm talking about. 594 00:29:21,280 --> 00:29:23,040 Speaker 1: Give you a couple of the guys that you just 595 00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:26,040 Speaker 1: love that that did not attend the University of Tennessee 596 00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:31,200 Speaker 1: Carl Brooks Bowl three defensive tackle, didn't mcdidn't get invited 597 00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:34,320 Speaker 1: to the Combine, should have tremendous senior Bowl. Wig has 598 00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:38,160 Speaker 1: lined up at zero technique, three technique, five technique, nine technique, 599 00:29:38,280 --> 00:29:40,920 Speaker 1: been an outside linebacker. I think he's gonna line up 600 00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:43,360 Speaker 1: and be much more of a three technique defensive tackle 601 00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:46,680 Speaker 1: who's going to make plays in the NFL. Carl Brooks, 602 00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:49,360 Speaker 1: Bowling Green, keep an eye out for him. Already gave you. 603 00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:53,000 Speaker 1: Isaiah More North Carolina State gave it up already. Absolutely 604 00:29:53,080 --> 00:29:55,000 Speaker 1: love him. I think he's gonna be a tremendous player 605 00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:57,320 Speaker 1: in the NFL. I take a look here, and I'm 606 00:29:57,320 --> 00:30:01,560 Speaker 1: looking at these linebacker Drew Sanders from Arkansas who was 607 00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:04,720 Speaker 1: at Alabama, spent eighty percent of his time dropping at 608 00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:07,320 Speaker 1: Alabama because who was on the other side of Alabama 609 00:30:07,360 --> 00:30:09,600 Speaker 1: when he was there. So I'm guy named Will Anderson 610 00:30:09,920 --> 00:30:13,720 Speaker 1: who's doing the pass rushing. Okay, goes to Arkansas and 611 00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:17,600 Speaker 1: to me, he plays like Dante high Tower without the bulk. Yeah, 612 00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:20,880 Speaker 1: I mean off the ball, tackles everything that happens, get 613 00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:23,120 Speaker 1: to the edge, rush to pass or maybe if you 614 00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:26,800 Speaker 1: want to make it more contemporary Micah Parsons, but not 615 00:30:26,840 --> 00:30:29,680 Speaker 1: to that level. Michael Parsons is beyond special. Yeah. I 616 00:30:29,720 --> 00:30:32,400 Speaker 1: wasn't even asking just linebackers. Give me any position, Charles, 617 00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:34,240 Speaker 1: guys that you just love and you're like, oh, these 618 00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:38,160 Speaker 1: guys are my boys. If they can figure out what's 619 00:30:38,160 --> 00:30:42,280 Speaker 1: going on off field and get comfortable. Stets had been 620 00:30:42,360 --> 00:30:44,160 Speaker 1: at is better than people give him credit for. A 621 00:30:44,280 --> 00:30:47,880 Speaker 1: quarterback are armed better athlete? People are making a priority 622 00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:50,040 Speaker 1: free agent. I think they're missing the boat on that. 623 00:30:50,360 --> 00:30:54,200 Speaker 1: I think he throws the ball well. I saw better athleticism. 624 00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:55,960 Speaker 1: I think you and I talked about that in the 625 00:30:56,080 --> 00:30:59,560 Speaker 1: National title game when he nearly back to back plays. 626 00:30:59,560 --> 00:31:01,520 Speaker 1: It wasn't white, but it was close. Remember he spins 627 00:31:01,560 --> 00:31:05,080 Speaker 1: out and gets away from a free hitter, gets to 628 00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:07,160 Speaker 1: the corner, and then the hard time when he got 629 00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:08,959 Speaker 1: to the corner, stuff is footing the ground and just 630 00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:11,320 Speaker 1: exploded for the end zone. And what he ended up 631 00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:14,520 Speaker 1: running high like four six is and I think he 632 00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:17,160 Speaker 1: was jogging when he did it too. By the way, 633 00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:19,959 Speaker 1: very smooth in what he does. A much better athlete 634 00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:22,600 Speaker 1: gets credit for. I think off field is where all 635 00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:25,080 Speaker 1: the questions are, and he didn't help with the process 636 00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:27,800 Speaker 1: going in right. If you talk about runners, I want 637 00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:29,960 Speaker 1: to see him devon a chain from Texas A and 638 00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:32,400 Speaker 1: M because he's a home run hitting tight. We already 639 00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:35,600 Speaker 1: talk about Taj Spears and he did a fantastic job 640 00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:38,440 Speaker 1: at two lane ran the USC in the submission. A 641 00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:42,000 Speaker 1: chain is a four to three eight runner who catches 642 00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:44,800 Speaker 1: the football well out of the backfield. There's a place 643 00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:47,280 Speaker 1: for him somewhere. I'm eager to watch where that's going 644 00:31:47,360 --> 00:31:49,719 Speaker 1: to be. We already talk about Laporta at tight end, 645 00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:52,240 Speaker 1: absolutely crazy about him, but I'm gonna give you one 646 00:31:52,280 --> 00:31:54,880 Speaker 1: more that really really like and he's listed as a 647 00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:56,960 Speaker 1: tight end, but he's got to go to a team 648 00:31:56,960 --> 00:31:58,800 Speaker 1: where he's gonna be more of an h back fullback 649 00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:03,360 Speaker 1: and as Braden willis from local home, he blocks everything. Okay, 650 00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:06,600 Speaker 1: with all these fullbacks that we have, when I say, oh, 651 00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:09,720 Speaker 1: there aren't many in the league that are good lead guys, 652 00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:13,120 Speaker 1: this guy is gonna be one of those people. Plug 653 00:32:13,160 --> 00:32:15,360 Speaker 1: in his tape and notice how many times he gets 654 00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:18,800 Speaker 1: the initial block, a second block, and if he gets downfield, 655 00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:21,880 Speaker 1: he's gonna get a third block. Those are a few 656 00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:24,120 Speaker 1: of the guys I'll give you love it, Charles Davis. 657 00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:25,800 Speaker 1: Check him out the NFL Network leading up to the 658 00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:27,920 Speaker 1: draft and of course during the draft with great coverage 659 00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:31,400 Speaker 1: with DJ, Bucky all the other folks there on NFL Network. 660 00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:33,720 Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us on the John's on the Hot podcast, 661 00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:35,520 Speaker 1: brought you by PSC and J. He will see you 662 00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:36,360 Speaker 1: next time. Everybody