Speaker 1: Look may oh, I see my own and look over
Speaker 1: there is that culture.
Speaker 2: Yes, Gods loves culture.
Speaker 1: Ding Dong lost Culturista's calling. And like Carrie Bradshaw, we
Speaker 1: have returned from Paris. We have returned from Paris to
Speaker 1: New York and in the streets again.
Speaker 2: I mean, and we were in an expensive suite in
Speaker 2: this lovely hotel and.
Speaker 1: We did not find love there.
Speaker 2: We did not find love there, thank you of Bianca
Speaker 2: Mila of BC Travel Travel.
Speaker 1: We didn't really try to find love though. We didn't
Speaker 1: make earnest attempts. We made half fast attempts.
Speaker 2: No, I think even first staying in the Marae, it
Speaker 2: was still a pretty I would say, and I say
Speaker 2: this with all love. During Pride Month, it was a
Speaker 2: pretty pretty hetero sort of romance being sort of bandied
Speaker 2: about and even sort of I don't know, like at
Speaker 2: an allegedly gay club that we were supposed to go
Speaker 2: to that we did end up going to.
Speaker 1: Oh, that didn't feel gay at all.
Speaker 2: The energy was kind of more black swan straight sort
Speaker 2: of biomass. Then it was like an explicitly queer space
Speaker 2: And that's okay, you just took.
Speaker 1: Me back to We were in ny U and I
Speaker 1: walked on. It was Fourth Avenue and they were filming
Speaker 1: a movie and I said, what are you guys filming?
Speaker 1: And they said, we're filming a movie called Black Swan.
Speaker 1: And years later I'd not years later, a year later,
Speaker 1: I'd find out it was the iconic scene with Mila
Speaker 1: Kunas and Natalie Portman where Mila goes, you've never rolled,
Speaker 1: and then they do Molly and have a lesbian encounter,
Speaker 1: much more successful homosexually than we were in Paris. But
Speaker 1: you guys rock Natalie and Mila and come in the
Speaker 1: pod together together that they're still connected. I'm sure they are.
Speaker 1: Oh well, anyway, we're sort of doing that thing where
Speaker 1: it's like it's a big gas we really can't believe it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And so no more of our bullshit, because this is
Speaker 1: a no bullshit moment in lost cult history. It's one
Speaker 1: of those days we were passing back and forth a
Speaker 1: little phone, sort of going shot for shot on iconic moments,
Speaker 1: moments and certain television sit is history and really just
Speaker 1: like sitting in not just the impact but the talent
Speaker 1: of our guests. Just an incredible actor as well as
Speaker 1: being a true pop culture icon. One of the top
Speaker 1: pop culture icons on our iconic four hundred, I believe number.
Speaker 2: Five, number five, and she was my first sort of
Speaker 2: pop cultural Winifred I was like such a show Carrolbernet,
Speaker 2: we love Oh. She would then play Agravain in her version.
Speaker 2: Once un of a Mattress is like the big first
Speaker 2: freshman year musical for me, huge window into the entire
Speaker 2: This is could be an answer for me for the
Speaker 2: culture that made me say culturess me one of them.
Speaker 2: The Broadway revival of oneceon a Mattress that our guest
Speaker 2: was the.
Speaker 1: Star up for me outside of the big one. I
Speaker 1: think I knew a little bit who I was when
Speaker 1: I watched hocus Pocus and I said, well, I'm that one. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's the one I owned. In a dark lip, a
Speaker 1: dark lip and a distracted, bedazzled energy, I said, I
Speaker 1: want to be that unbothered. Of course I strive for that.
Speaker 1: They won't expect anything of me. No, of course you're
Speaker 1: dancing idiotically in the background. You never forget bet come
Speaker 1: on the pod, come on the pot anyway of course, Well,
Speaker 1: of course, Kat.
Speaker 2: They keep in touch. But first, but first our guest. Well,
Speaker 2: it's the mayoral primary in New York. I think she's
Speaker 2: our mayor. Everyone, please welcome into your Jessica pardon.
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh. I feel it'd be best if I
Speaker 3: just left now, like happy to be all those things.
Speaker 3: Like one day perhaps I will actually be one or
Speaker 3: two of those or that person you described, but perhaps
Speaker 3: we just leave best, best left alone.
Speaker 4: That thank you so much for having me have a
Speaker 4: great day.
Speaker 1: And honestly, though it does have to be I was
Speaker 1: thinking about this, like this idea of you as the
Speaker 1: woman who represents New York women, like when you are
Speaker 1: you and you're not Carrie Bradshaw, that's a little bit
Speaker 1: of a burden. But also I guess.
Speaker 4: Not, it's really not. None of it's a burden.
Speaker 3: I mean relative to burdens, do you know what I mean,
Speaker 3: Like relative to like.
Speaker 4: Actual crosses to bear.
Speaker 3: It's really one of the great privileges of a lifetime.
Speaker 1: My question for you is, and I've always wondered this, so,
Speaker 1: Carrie Bradshaw famous shoe game. Was your shoe game always
Speaker 1: on point or did you have to kind of up
Speaker 1: the shoe game as s JP because people see CB
Speaker 1: oh interesting.
Speaker 3: I think there was a tandem relationship and but one
Speaker 3: one went mad and the other stayed as like a civilian. Yeah,
Speaker 3: like I really actually have always loved shoes. And I
Speaker 3: will try to tell this story quickly, but I'm one
Speaker 3: of eight kids. There was a period of time in
Speaker 3: which I was one of six kids. But nonetheless, that's
Speaker 3: a lot of kids to shoe every year. And so
Speaker 3: at the top of the school year, my mother would
Speaker 3: take us. And this was not an unusual experience for
Speaker 3: people in this country. At a speci time, you'd go
Speaker 3: to a shoe store before school started, you would be sized.
Speaker 3: And we didn't have a lot of money, so we
Speaker 3: weren't like just shopping for shoes. It was like a
Speaker 3: utilitarian act in a way. It's just necessary.
Speaker 4: And we went.
Speaker 3: And I'm the fourth of the six and now eight
Speaker 3: or that, you know, soon after eight, and so I
Speaker 3: would just like walk around the shoe store smelling shoes
Speaker 3: and what I loved about a shoe store. And I'm
Speaker 3: much older than you, so I don't know if you
Speaker 3: had this experience, but when you walk into the shoe
Speaker 3: store in August, it's air conditioned. First of all, Like
Speaker 3: I don't know if you guys grew up with an
Speaker 3: air conditioner in your house. But we did not, like
Speaker 3: that is a privilege, like in the Ohio summer August.
Speaker 3: So we walk, you know, drive a good distance to
Speaker 3: our shoe store that is a distributor of like Buster Brown,
Speaker 3: you know, walk in and as my siblings were getting fitted,
Speaker 3: I would like pick up shoes and smell them and
Speaker 3: then turn them over and like really look at the
Speaker 3: stitching on the bottom of the soul of a Buster
Speaker 3: Brown shoe. So I really came to this experience of
Speaker 3: playing someone who has a far more fevered relationship with shoes.
Speaker 4: With some like real affection.
Speaker 3: I just don't I didn't have the access or the
Speaker 3: money or the the constitution to like be buying sure
Speaker 3: like it would not have I would not have considered
Speaker 3: that kind of indulgence.
Speaker 2: Yeah, seems like it seems like I'm relating this idea
Speaker 2: to you talking in interviews about having access to books
Speaker 2: in kind of a similar way. I mean, is that
Speaker 2: I mean obviously different functions, But like I find it
Speaker 2: interesting that you think that I think I mean planting.
Speaker 2: I'm going to guess that you are the one who's
Speaker 2: gone mad and carries the one who stayed a civilian
Speaker 2: and yet it seems.
Speaker 3: Like it's reverse crazy with shoes, and I stayed. Got
Speaker 3: it more real now, granted, perhaps not real too if
Speaker 3: if you might work in an office in Omaha, you
Speaker 3: might not like our versions of being civilians are not.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 3: Pair of ball, I don't have the closet that she has.
Speaker 3: I don't have the shoes she has. I don't have
Speaker 3: the amount. Nor would I ever like that kind of
Speaker 3: that kind of indulgence and decadence to marm Yes, maximalist,
Speaker 3: I wouldn't, But I love shoes. So but books were
Speaker 3: different in my house because we had a public library,
Speaker 3: so we've always had books. We could always have books,
Speaker 3: but you can't always have shoes.
Speaker 4: And so when you grow.
Speaker 3: Up, I think having a pair for the fall and
Speaker 3: a pair for the spring and then hand me downs,
Speaker 3: you have a different like the the the thing you're
Speaker 3: reaching for remains like a far away distance, you know,
Speaker 3: And books were much more at our like we we
Speaker 3: thought of them, went to the library like fulfilled, you know.
Speaker 3: So they kind of are different. I love books, yes
Speaker 3: you can talk about that, but I've had a different
Speaker 3: It's been different because those have been more within my reach.
Speaker 2: Sure, when I was younger. I mean, I am always
Speaker 2: so curious about the sort of transitional time in your
Speaker 2: life where you were in Ohio to sort of working
Speaker 2: and probably being in New York for I guess many
Speaker 2: months out of the year or was that like a
Speaker 2: sudden quick like okay, we're picking like everyone.
Speaker 4: We moved to New York.
Speaker 3: I lived in Cincinnati until I was twelve. We my
Speaker 3: brother and I the previous summer, in the summer of
Speaker 3: seventy six, we'd worked in New York on a in
Speaker 3: a play on Broadway. It had gone out of town
Speaker 3: for out of town tryouts first, and that was my
Speaker 3: only experience working in New York. My my real father
Speaker 3: was born and raised in Brooklyn, but he wasn't living
Speaker 3: in Brooklyn by the time he became a parent, so
Speaker 3: we spent time in Brooklyn with his parents. But so
Speaker 3: we had that experience, and on January first of nineteen
Speaker 3: seventy seven, my parents put everything we owned into our
Speaker 3: Volkswagen bus and we moved to New York City, the
Speaker 3: entire family, and at that point there were six of us.
Speaker 3: My mother was pregnant with my sister Legra.
Speaker 4: She was born.
Speaker 3: She came later because she couldn't. It wasn't a great
Speaker 3: idea of for her to travel twelve miles in a car.
Speaker 4: But there was like literally like.
Speaker 3: I remember at one point my father kind of stopped
Speaker 3: suddenly and there was a cast iron skill up behind
Speaker 3: my head, and I just remember just like knowing that
Speaker 3: it was there, like putting my hand back to hold
Speaker 3: it so.
Speaker 4: That it wouldn't hit us all on the head.
Speaker 3: So then we moved to New York City, and we
Speaker 3: didn't have a home yet. We were going to be
Speaker 3: the first families that moved to Roosevelt Island.
Speaker 1: Oh wow.
Speaker 4: We came to New York to move to.
Speaker 3: Roosevelt Island because they had subsidized housings so we could
Speaker 3: afford to live New York City. But they were ready yet.
Speaker 3: So we moved to the Holiday Inn in Yonkers and
Speaker 3: we lived there, and then my mom came and so
Speaker 3: my sister was born in Yonkers, and then Roosevelt Island
Speaker 3: was finally ready, I think in the spring of seventy
Speaker 3: seven maybe, So then we moved to Roosevelt Island and we.
Speaker 4: Lived there was the train this is such a tram?
Speaker 4: Was there?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: I was there, So there was no there was a Park.
Speaker 3: There was no subway service yet, it hadn't been built.
Speaker 4: It may have.
Speaker 3: Even just been like a dream. I don't think they
Speaker 3: had started digging that subway line yet. And we only
Speaker 3: knew about Roosevelt Island because there was an article in
Speaker 3: New York magazine about it. My mom read the article,
Speaker 3: and we applied through the Housing Urban Development Corporation and
Speaker 3: got one of the apartments.
Speaker 1: Wo.
Speaker 4: So we lived there for a year. So we all.
Speaker 3: Moved, the entire family. My father started a trucking business.
Speaker 3: He was a truck driver, and some of my other
Speaker 3: siblings were acts and auditioning and and thus began, and.
Speaker 4: Thus began our time in the city.
Speaker 3: And I don't think I ever imagined at that point
Speaker 3: that anyone would ever say, yeah, no, you're a New Yorker.
Speaker 3: I was like keeping track the entire time, Like at
Speaker 3: what point, Yeah, I get I belong, Yeah, yeah, I'm.
Speaker 4: A New Yorker.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I have.
Speaker 3: I love Cincinnati so much, and it's an incredible city,
Speaker 3: Like it's a really special city, and it's cultured and
Speaker 3: interesting and such smart people and it's beautiful.
Speaker 4: But I love that.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, what year was? And he's been so on
Speaker 1: the brain for me recently because they just did that
Speaker 1: beautiful rendition of Tomorrow at the Tony Awards. Yeah, Sarah
Speaker 1: Burrellis and Cynthia Rivo and Limorium, and I was just
Speaker 1: I've now fallen into this wormhole of those songs as
Speaker 1: the greatest Maybe and Tomorrow and just really everything even
Speaker 1: not even just any songs, I mean across the board.
Speaker 1: What age was that?
Speaker 3: So that was I joined the the cast. I was like,
Speaker 3: I guess one of the first replacements. So what happened
Speaker 3: is Kathy jo Kelly was July. She left to do
Speaker 3: the first national tour and play Annie, so I was
Speaker 3: her replacement. So I came in in January of nineteen
Speaker 3: seventy eight having seen the show.
Speaker 4: Yeah, like I was like, you were obsessed. I don't
Speaker 4: even know if.
Speaker 3: Like there's a word to describe the way I felt.
Speaker 4: About seeing that show.
Speaker 3: We saw it, but I think before it opened on Broadway,
Speaker 3: and I've been working in an industrial with a bunch
Speaker 3: of the kids that were in that cast, and one
Speaker 3: of the original orphans was my understudy in the Innocence
Speaker 3: on Broadway that I had done the year before.
Speaker 4: So all of us were very like.
Speaker 3: We were like devotees of Annie and that cast album
Speaker 3: is so I came in as an orphan as July
Speaker 3: as well. I was cast as the understudy to Annie,
Speaker 3: which is mystifying because I didn't I never really sang professionally, really.
Speaker 1: Know was that? Is it? Just like loving it at
Speaker 1: that age? And so you're pretending or like what do
Speaker 1: you think made little you able to do that? Because
Speaker 1: it's not easy?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 4: Yeah? And I still left thinking, well, I'm not really
Speaker 4: a singer. I don't know. I think, you know, we
Speaker 4: grew up listening to records.
Speaker 3: We didn't have a television, and we listened to cast
Speaker 3: albums all the time. And you know, I think like
Speaker 3: a lot of people in my family, and we don't
Speaker 3: know why we have a musical ear, like we have
Speaker 3: good you know, we have musicality, or we have good pitch,
Speaker 3: like and I'm I'm an interpreter, like I'm an interpreter,
Speaker 3: and I you know, I had a really good audition
Speaker 3: song I will say was it? And it was kind
Speaker 3: of controversial and no one else was doing it.
Speaker 4: So we're gonna is the path like it's not fine?
Speaker 2: Are yeah?
Speaker 4: Because it's gonna might hit.
Speaker 1: I love I think we can.
Speaker 2: I think we can dovetail into the question.
Speaker 1: Okay, but I don't want to know your auditions.
Speaker 2: I think it's a crack to crack. Which Okay, this
Speaker 2: is the question, Sarah Parker, what was the culture that
Speaker 2: made you say culture is for you?
Speaker 3: So my answer to that question, and I was delighted
Speaker 3: to have one versus you know, heming and hind and
Speaker 3: trying to come up with something. I have a very
Speaker 3: clear and specific and the easiest. It took like twenty seconds.
Speaker 2: That's great.
Speaker 4: Okay.
Speaker 3: So in nineteen seventy six, when we came to New
Speaker 3: York or nineteen seventy five, I can't remember, we came
Speaker 3: to New York to audition for The Innocence on Broadway.
Speaker 3: And that's another kind of amazing, crazy long story. But
Speaker 3: as Bridget Everett, who I called gender says, short story long,
Speaker 3: we came to New York and while we were in
Speaker 3: New York City, one night we were spending time with
Speaker 3: my paternal grandparents in Brooklyn, and my mother and father
Speaker 3: went to see a show that was in previews called
Speaker 3: a chorus Line at the Schubert Theater.
Speaker 4: And they actually summoned the dollars.
Speaker 3: Together in order to stay an extra day, because they
Speaker 3: thought our children have to see the show, like they
Speaker 3: have to see the show. So they stood back in
Speaker 3: line and we got standing room, and we got two seats,
Speaker 3: and we flipped like some of us for a while,
Speaker 3: and some of us sat.
Speaker 4: And so I saw in.
Speaker 3: Previews at the Schubert Theater. I can't say that I
Speaker 3: saw it down at the public theater. I saw a
Speaker 3: course Line on Broadway before it opened, and I can
Speaker 3: say without hesitation that it completely changed my life.
Speaker 4: And I think what's interesting.
Speaker 3: About good theater, or a good book, a musical, or
Speaker 3: a straight play or a movie is that it is
Speaker 3: not necessary. I don't have to have been a twenty
Speaker 3: four year old. Course Line is famous for calling all
Speaker 3: of them boys and girls. Yeah, but I was like
Speaker 3: nine or ten years old, and I was from Ohio,
Speaker 3: and I felt like the plates of the earth had
Speaker 3: just shifted.
Speaker 4: And they shouldn't have it, really, except that.
Speaker 3: They were so good that cast, and that show was
Speaker 3: so clearly about love. That show was so clearly about
Speaker 3: a dream. And I think, you know, obviously what I
Speaker 3: did for.
Speaker 1: Love is it's so.
Speaker 3: Because it just says everything and it applies to people
Speaker 3: in a broad range of industries it applies to, But
Speaker 3: there is something uniquely special about this desire to be
Speaker 3: on stage. And it's hard to articulate because it's not necessary, it's.
Speaker 4: Not even rational if you don't have.
Speaker 3: Yet the language, like why, Sarah, Jessica, why do you
Speaker 3: want to be on stage?
Speaker 4: You're eight or nine or ten. And I wasn't like
Speaker 4: a show biz kid.
Speaker 3: It wasn't like I was tap dancing for my parents
Speaker 3: and like putting on shows, put on shows, but that
Speaker 3: show Priscilla Lopez singing nothing and music in the Mirror.
Speaker 1: I was going to say, I saw the Jimmy Awards
Speaker 1: last night and one of the girls did Music in
Speaker 1: the Mirror and she, of course went to the finals.
Speaker 1: Because it's so winning, it is so sweeping, it is
Speaker 1: such a journey, and you're just you're taking away. I remember,
Speaker 1: I've told you Jane Krakowski did it on a monster.
Speaker 1: She is so talented.
Speaker 4: It's just crazy, fantastic.
Speaker 1: I remember even back in the remember I was a
Speaker 1: little watching over my aunt's shoulder.
Speaker 3: You ever watch have you ever pulled up on YouTube?
Speaker 3: Do you have any clips in the original production?
Speaker 2: Oh, of course, it's it's some there's some shaky bootlegs, right, and.
Speaker 4: I thank God for all the bitch money.
Speaker 3: You're like, but you camera down, there's someone up in
Speaker 3: the balcony, and you're like, why did all of us
Speaker 3: make such a fuss?
Speaker 5: I remember that song in the Mirror is such a
Speaker 5: winning song because and I think that probably what I
Speaker 5: can relate to and what you're saying, and I'm sure
Speaker 5: bowen Ken as well is it's like, You're right, what
Speaker 5: is the question that I'm trying to answer within myself
Speaker 5: that because I feel a certain emotion doing this, I
Speaker 5: think what I experience was I want to express myself
Speaker 5: like that, Yeah, do.
Speaker 1: You think that that's maybe what it is.
Speaker 3: I don't know if I understood that I wanted to
Speaker 3: express myself. I guess I wanted to care. What I understood,
Speaker 3: in the simplest terms, was this kind of unmatched necessity
Speaker 3: to care, to be completely devoted, to flay yourself and
Speaker 3: without any with total understanding of the very possible disappointment
Speaker 3: and heartbreak. But that without the attempt, without the like
Speaker 3: the exercise, like the real endeavor, then you would be
Speaker 3: at a deficit, like you would be worse off for
Speaker 3: not having been heartbroken than you would have been for
Speaker 3: a path more comment.
Speaker 1: What I did for love? I mean, it's all about
Speaker 1: putting yourself out there one hundred percent and saying this
Speaker 1: is what I'm offering.
Speaker 2: What I did for love is this is and the
Speaker 2: show are about. Not to get sort of collogy meta about.
Speaker 4: That's okay, I get it.
Speaker 2: It's about having a passion for a passion. It's about
Speaker 2: being passionate about passion. Were you watching a chorus Lane
Speaker 2: thinking in the context of how you had watched musicals
Speaker 2: before that moment, or was that just like completely like
Speaker 2: a first impression of what the form could be would
Speaker 2: be because it felt pretty It was very groundbreaking at
Speaker 2: the time.
Speaker 3: It was groundbreaking because it was so modern, and it
Speaker 3: was without a fourth wall, and it was a person
Speaker 3: in the house talking to the cast, and they were
Speaker 3: dressed like nobody had ever dressed, No one ever been
Speaker 3: costumed like that on Broadway. No one was wearing rehearsal
Speaker 3: yet where and and it was such a kind of
Speaker 3: candor about the language and the way they were talking,
Speaker 3: and it was like ribald and dirty. Sometimes there were
Speaker 3: inferences that were meant to be funny and sexual and
Speaker 3: there was homosexuality, and you know, Paul, I think, is
Speaker 3: you know, god, it would be amazing to play that part.
Speaker 3: Oh that's a beautiful you know that part, that story
Speaker 3: of his parents coming and seeing him still dressed as
Speaker 3: a young woman. He's like in a you know, a
Speaker 3: what do you call it? The shows Burlesque and Times Square.
Speaker 3: You know, every single story was a so well thought out.
Speaker 3: The book was the cleanest, most perfect, and like everything
Speaker 3: not necessary.
Speaker 2: Was gone, and so.
Speaker 4: I think it was just like perfect. And the singing
Speaker 4: and you know, uh, what's Maggie's song the greatest of all?
Speaker 4: You know, every day was beautiful.
Speaker 3: At the ballet, I mean that her singing she did no, no,
Speaker 3: we talked about her because her was I mean, but.
Speaker 1: You know that was actually my first experience actually when
Speaker 1: I was watching and you're doing it, really I loved
Speaker 1: that was whatever. I mean, give yourself credit. It affected me.
Speaker 1: I was going to ask you this do you find
Speaker 1: because I'm finding a link here between and you pointing
Speaker 1: out in the book for the chorus line that there's
Speaker 1: candor and that there's honesty, and that there's and then famously,
Speaker 1: you know, you become synonymous with candor on television for
Speaker 1: the first time. Is that something you're attracted to? Is
Speaker 1: that something that you feel like you're seeking.
Speaker 4: I mean not, I don't think so.
Speaker 3: I don't think it's like a criteria. I think I
Speaker 3: think I like that as a child because all the
Speaker 3: musical all the musicals that I had heard before that
Speaker 3: were really traditional, like big musicals like Hammers, you know,
Speaker 3: like Partis and Hammerston and Learning Low and like Oklahoma
Speaker 3: and Show Vowed, and so I think what struck me
Speaker 3: so much and the rest of the world was that
Speaker 3: a chorus line was so intimate and people were talking
Speaker 3: about their lives on stage that were very different than
Speaker 3: Shogun even.
Speaker 4: And I'm which I loved.
Speaker 3: So when I received the script, the pilot script for
Speaker 3: Sex and City, I wasn't looking to play like, you know,
Speaker 3: a sort of.
Speaker 4: A New Yorker, yes, who was curious.
Speaker 3: About sexual politics and wanted to have intimate convert Like
Speaker 3: I didn't even realize that was a thing that could
Speaker 3: be told or said. But I certainly was, like, found
Speaker 3: it really compelling. I was I thought I never read
Speaker 3: even in pilot form, because it's just so minimal. Really,
Speaker 3: when you look back, you're like it was just this,
Speaker 3: but it was really in plenty to convince me very easily,
Speaker 3: without like any persuasion, that it was like, this is different,
Speaker 3: this is I haven't heard anyone. I haven't heard people
Speaker 3: have these kinds of conversations. And there were plenty of
Speaker 3: women on television before Mary Richards and others, and Marla
Speaker 3: Thomas and many others, who forgive me, I'm not remembering.
Speaker 4: It's not like women hadn't We weren't like the first women.
Speaker 3: But because I think of the because of our studio,
Speaker 3: it was HBO, like the rules were very or didn't
Speaker 3: apply at all.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I used to do. I used to wait till
Speaker 1: my parents would leave the house and then I would
Speaker 1: go to my We had HBO on demand, and I
Speaker 1: would just mainline.
Speaker 4: Where are you from? Where you are? You're from?
Speaker 3: Long Island Dream wasn't even that far away, but it
Speaker 3: could have felt far away.
Speaker 1: I guess one of my answers to one of my
Speaker 1: answers to our own question is we went to go
Speaker 1: see Hairspray and I just remember the three part harmony
Speaker 1: on the the trio and they hit this insane three
Speaker 1: three part harmony belt.
Speaker 4: When the girls the ladies were singing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I believe it was the Mama song. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I just remember hearing those harmonies belted and how joyfully
Speaker 1: it was and the response from the audience, and I
Speaker 1: burst into tears and my mom was like, what is wrong?
Speaker 1: And I was like, nothing. I don't know exactly, but
Speaker 1: it was. It's nothing.
Speaker 4: I don't know. That would be a really good name
Speaker 4: for your memoir.
Speaker 1: You know what, I'm going to call it for thing
Speaker 1: because no, I'm serious.
Speaker 3: Interesting second book is called so the first one's called
Speaker 3: not for nothing, and the second one is called nothing.
Speaker 4: I don't know because also nothing. I don't know. It
Speaker 4: could be yeah, nothing, I don't know.
Speaker 1: Right, you know, it's it was very nothing. I don't know,
Speaker 1: because it was.
Speaker 4: It was you couldn't, you didn't, there was no.
Speaker 1: That's why I asked you was it about expression? Because
Speaker 1: the tables are turning? I asked you was it about expression?
Speaker 1: Because certainly for me it was. I think I was like,
Speaker 1: I I remember I saw those women and everyone up
Speaker 1: there dancing and singing and giving it everything, and I
Speaker 1: think they knew they were a part of something special. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I all I wanted to do was I think honestly,
Speaker 1: I want when I talk about that belted harmony, it's
Speaker 1: because of the volume. I wanted to express myself loudly.
Speaker 1: And I think there's something about looking at people on
Speaker 1: a stage and expressing, especially in the show that you
Speaker 1: that you point out, it makes me emotional, like like
Speaker 1: the freedom to express and that is that is what
Speaker 1: you get on stage. And that's the Jimmy Awards last night.
Speaker 1: It's just so emotional.
Speaker 4: Because about the Jimmy Awards, the.
Speaker 1: High School Musical Theater Awards, j y G y n
Speaker 1: after James Neederland Jimmy, Yeah, wow, it's at the mince Goff.
Speaker 1: But I saw you at the Nelander in Plaza.
Speaker 4: Suite and weird the Hudson.
Speaker 1: That's okay, That's okay, But I that was the last
Speaker 1: time I guess that. Well, I guess we ran into
Speaker 1: you at s n L fifty, but the last time
Speaker 1: I had physically seen you.
Speaker 4: But another did I see it? Smash? Where did I
Speaker 4: cost you? Guys? Was it?
Speaker 1: I just watched election.
Speaker 3: That's a perfectly fine thing to say to him.
Speaker 4: That's really nice.
Speaker 1: That's I said it twice in the night. So the
Speaker 1: second time, by the way, put a great movie.
Speaker 3: I want to ask you a question a second, but
Speaker 3: I do want to talk about SNL fifty because actually
Speaker 3: I I I was moving past Lauren more recently, and
Speaker 3: I tried to tell him we were at a party
Speaker 3: and another party, a different party, and I tried to say,
Speaker 3: you know, that was like a perfect night.
Speaker 4: That was that was like a perfect night.
Speaker 3: And I've been trying to fight figure out a way
Speaker 3: of writing him a note to say thank you for
Speaker 3: including us and that night and it started the weekend
Speaker 3: with the shows and it was so much fun, and
Speaker 3: I like, we don't even go out anywhere, like no, no,
Speaker 3: it's okaya.
Speaker 4: But I try to tell Laurene how perfect it was.
Speaker 4: And I can't imagine the feat of production, my god,
Speaker 4: and what.
Speaker 3: Went into deciding which ones you were gonna do. How
Speaker 3: hard it would be to be clear eyed enough to focus,
Speaker 3: and everybody kind of already who rise all the time
Speaker 3: anyway at eleven o'clock, like eleven thirty, like already that
Speaker 3: that's so something you guys are all accustomed to. So
Speaker 3: you were like taking like the most well oiled machine
Speaker 3: and somehow making it like like a speed train in Kyoto,
Speaker 3: or you know what, I mean like a bullet train,
Speaker 3: a bullet train. So did you guys know that this
Speaker 3: was like, oh, this is solid, Like were you like.
Speaker 2: It was all for sure in in Lorne's mind up
Speaker 2: until like the two weeks before. So Lourene, I think,
Speaker 2: was doing his kind of amazing beautiful mind esque like
Speaker 2: the numbers are sort of like floating around his head.
Speaker 2: But like for the better part of the of the fall,
Speaker 2: I think for all of the first half of the
Speaker 2: season of fifty, it was like, okay, like, what's the
Speaker 2: show going to be? Like be out to like can
Speaker 2: we we need to do like a veil checks as.
Speaker 3: If somebody would not cross like anywhere to get there,
Speaker 3: and people.
Speaker 1: Hosted it that you think, right, it was the amazing
Speaker 1: but there it is. It's also very nerve racking.
Speaker 3: But it's also like a night for legends, like it's
Speaker 3: the night where you want to repeat, you want to
Speaker 3: dip back.
Speaker 4: In like it's such a deep well.
Speaker 3: So I thought, however, you came to these decisions whatever
Speaker 3: the collective is. First of all, the opening with Paul Simon,
Speaker 3: it's a carpenter, which is like perfect and so sentimental,
Speaker 3: like already they already hit like a triple to know
Speaker 3: she was perfect and she like held back just the
Speaker 3: right like it was so elegant, and he was so
Speaker 3: touching and it's so sentimental and it's so nostalgic, and
Speaker 3: you know, my brothers grew up watching that show the
Speaker 3: very first episode, like your show, like that show, but anyway,
Speaker 3: so already you could tell like it was you know,
Speaker 3: when you get off to start like that, you're like, sure,
Speaker 3: you're so right.
Speaker 2: It's like, I think probably that that was the thought
Speaker 2: that went into it from louren Zen. It was just like,
Speaker 2: let's just make sure this is cozy and comfortable for
Speaker 2: everyone in the room. Everyone at home were in good
Speaker 2: hands all the way through. And then you come out
Speaker 2: with you know, Steve Martin coming out, Mulaney Martin short,
Speaker 2: it's like all these heavy hitters and then it's just
Speaker 2: it was to me this like four dimensional photo mosaic
Speaker 2: of like everyone who's who's had the same shared experience
Speaker 2: of being on that show, and it meant everything that
Speaker 2: like my closest friends were there, Matt was there, Sudi
Speaker 2: was there, our best friend Suiti Celestar co writer who
Speaker 2: we're working with now. I mean, it was just this
Speaker 2: like complete tapestry of like the human experience and how
Speaker 2: all of it has this optimistic sort of like encasing
Speaker 2: around it, which is like it's gonna be okay, like
Speaker 2: for all of like the like slings and arras that
Speaker 2: people will suffer in the system and outside of it,
Speaker 2: it's like, yeah, everyone's here, and they're telling you about
Speaker 2: the kids that are that they have, the families that
Speaker 2: they've grown, like the lives that they've had since they've
Speaker 2: been at the show. And it was really hard and
Speaker 2: the seventies, the eighties, the nineties of the Yats whatever,
Speaker 2: like every air of the show is like not totally
Speaker 2: unique because it's like, oh, it's all been set against
Speaker 2: the backdrop of whatever political chaos was happening at the time,
Speaker 2: and like it's our job to like bring some levity
Speaker 2: in whatever way we can and whatever media environment that
Speaker 2: is like out there. I mean, like I was like,
Speaker 2: no one's gonna watch this, Like it's like no, everyone's
Speaker 2: attentions are pulled in a million different directions.
Speaker 4: But every every so often there's a cultural event that.
Speaker 3: Is able to sit everybody down, yep, and you want
Speaker 3: it to be in real time, like all of the
Speaker 3: New and the ways in which I like have like
Speaker 3: an allergy to watching television, Like that too was the thing.
Speaker 4: It's like, no, it's going you don't want to watch it.
Speaker 1: Tomorrow moment that is that is literally not.
Speaker 4: A sports event. Not a sports event.
Speaker 1: No, yeah right, but I remember, like this is odd,
Speaker 1: but like I remember when we were little. I remember
Speaker 1: watching Who Wants to Be Millionaire? When the first person
Speaker 1: one a million dollars and it was like the world exploded,
Speaker 1: Like I remember when Richard Hatch one Survivor right talking
Speaker 1: about only reality. But like, you know, all these things
Speaker 1: are That's what sn L fifty was recreating. And I
Speaker 1: think it makes you proud to be a New Yorker too,
Speaker 1: because obviously it's synonymous, and I think that must have
Speaker 1: that must also give you.
Speaker 3: A synonymous There are great musicals that are about New
Speaker 3: York and important choreography. But I think because this, this
Speaker 3: is this contemporary thing keeps giving us this experience every
Speaker 3: weekend and it is only could be home. And you know,
Speaker 3: a show can go on the road and touch people
Speaker 3: all over the country and the globe frankly, but New
Speaker 3: York continues to be like this export, like we don't
Speaker 3: get to send art as far in the ways we
Speaker 3: used to like it was such a crisscrossing of the
Speaker 3: ocean with such an effort, and now we were tossing stuff.
Speaker 4: But this is a New York show.
Speaker 3: It employs thousands and thousands and thousands of thousands of
Speaker 3: New Yorkers. I'm sure generations have gone through that studio
Speaker 3: of people on the crew side. You know, there's endless
Speaker 3: stories of the way in which it is a New
Speaker 3: York show.
Speaker 4: So you guys of the Deli.
Speaker 1: Show, are you like you.
Speaker 3: Know, there's a period when I started having children that
Speaker 3: I didn't that I like tapped out of baseball and
Speaker 3: I tapped out of anything that was late, because like,
Speaker 3: I just didn't especially if I was shooting and being
Speaker 3: a parent. It just all of a sudden it didn't
Speaker 3: factor like I could didn't carve the time out.
Speaker 1: Ye.
Speaker 3: But it's really interesting when you have children after a while,
Speaker 3: what their interests are and what they're talking about can
Speaker 3: bring you back home. My son is a massive baseball fan,
Speaker 3: and so it it came back into our life because
Speaker 3: he became much more you know, he was dictating conversation
Speaker 3: at the table and then of course they're all watching
Speaker 3: SNL and they're talking about and then telling us and
Speaker 3: re you know, and pulling stuff up on their phones
Speaker 3: of scenes and instances and whatever. So the way in
Speaker 3: which it kind of disappeared not entirely, but I wasn't
Speaker 3: able to stay up. Of course, you know that that's
Speaker 3: not so much the case anymore.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but for you to give the impromoter of New
Speaker 2: York nois onto that show is meaningful. Just coming from
Speaker 2: another New York show, I'm just so happy to hear
Speaker 2: that you guys had a great time because it because
Speaker 2: because you're right, fantastic. The people in the room were you, Matthew,
Speaker 2: Lady God God Share for god, it was like and like,
Speaker 2: you know, we couldn't believe.
Speaker 3: We were like, oh my god, like everyone was game.
Speaker 4: It was so crazy.
Speaker 3: And then like even the entrance and you know, getting
Speaker 3: your ticket, and you know, Matthew was convinced we weren't
Speaker 3: going to watch it in the room because to this
Speaker 3: really lovely like cocktail.
Speaker 4: Areau the lounge.
Speaker 3: And then I felt Matthew's spirits slightly. He's like, I
Speaker 3: think we're in the lounge to watch it, And I said,
Speaker 3: that's okay. We're all it's we're on this floor. We're
Speaker 3: on the eighth floor, right, the eighth floor floor. And
Speaker 3: and then the woman was like, no, you're you.
Speaker 1: By the way, you know where I just saw Matthew
Speaker 1: at the Mets game. He was there, he was was he?
Speaker 1: Is he there all the time? The Yankees? And is
Speaker 1: it a torn up household?
Speaker 3: That's such a complicated say, because we like our whole
Speaker 3: courtship was like the late nineties Yankees because but everybody,
Speaker 3: everybody was, everybody was a fan.
Speaker 1: Then you guys would not shut up.
Speaker 3: But we weren't that kind of Yankees fan, because that's
Speaker 3: always been objectionable to me.
Speaker 4: But we did. We weren't a couple of ticker tape
Speaker 4: parades though. Yeah.
Speaker 3: And we didn't have kids, and so like, you know,
Speaker 3: we could. Our dream was we were going to travel.
Speaker 3: We didn't get to go on a honeymoon because we
Speaker 3: were both working, but our travel dream was we were
Speaker 3: either going to go to Vietnam or we were going
Speaker 3: to go to all the baseball stadiums across the country
Speaker 3: before they were torn down, so many of them been
Speaker 3: torn down, you know, yeah.
Speaker 1: Right, My dad used to ride his bike from Long
Speaker 1: Island and hop Defense and he would just watch games
Speaker 1: at Shade riding from Linden Matthew Mouth.
Speaker 3: He was sort of taught that, you like, he was
Speaker 3: raised as a Met fan. His father took him to
Speaker 3: Mets games, so it was always hard. And then when
Speaker 3: they would have Subway series, it was it was really hard.
Speaker 3: It's just that this this late nineties Yankee was just
Speaker 3: heavenly and we you know, we love them, but I but.
Speaker 4: We love the Mets too. And there's been many times
Speaker 4: when it's been really hard.
Speaker 1: Sure because the Mets is they're either really good or
Speaker 1: really bad.
Speaker 3: I know, but man, being watching watching the Mets fan
Speaker 3: like our house, like I'm like, we believe, oh my god,
Speaker 3: believe what is the temperature going to be? Like when
Speaker 3: Matthew I walked in them and the other day and
Speaker 3: I was like.
Speaker 4: What what what? Like I was scared of like.
Speaker 3: Some horrible news that had just arrived over the wire,
Speaker 3: and He's like, they just blew a you know, they
Speaker 3: just they just blew a seven run And I.
Speaker 1: Was part of being a Mets fan.
Speaker 4: I know.
Speaker 3: It's just really no I know, I know, but you
Speaker 3: got to be true blue.
Speaker 4: I go gentlemen, come.
Speaker 2: On, boys, device the how us along what line?
Speaker 3: Well, meaning, it doesn't really divide the house, except that
Speaker 3: there are times when there were times when both were
Speaker 3: playing that we I was like, I felt kind of
Speaker 3: course bad about I didn't know where to put my
Speaker 3: I didn't know where to ligne because I love both teams.
Speaker 3: It's very hard you have to choose to have two
Speaker 3: great hometown teams. Now, Matt Matthew wouldn't be quite as equivocating.
Speaker 1: Right, So is it because you think of like the Yankees,
Speaker 1: you think of the New York grandeur, and then there's
Speaker 1: that underdog like union spirit almost.
Speaker 4: I think whole attitude is like the Mets.
Speaker 3: Well, in the old days, the Yankees had all the
Speaker 3: money to you know, hire players, and the Mets were
Speaker 3: a scrappy like that was the feeling. That was kind
Speaker 3: of like the color of the tone of the sentiment
Speaker 3: around and you know, Yankee fans were wealthy. This was
Speaker 3: not necessarily true. This was kind of you know, I mean,
Speaker 3: my nails white for you guys, just white nails in
Speaker 3: my whole life, and they're gonna come off the second again.
Speaker 4: But anyway, I was like, I better.
Speaker 3: Explain why these nails are white, but I feel like
Speaker 3: that was always the feeling. I don't know if that's
Speaker 3: true or if that's based with reality. And I know
Speaker 3: a lot of his regional I know that Queens tends
Speaker 3: to obviously are Mets fans and Upper New York or
Speaker 3: you know, Yankees fans. Like all the geography makes sense,
Speaker 3: but I don't know how you pick a team.
Speaker 1: Well. I think it's like it really is, like your
Speaker 1: spirit can be very broken when you are when you
Speaker 1: are the underdog team again and again and again. But
Speaker 1: I also think it's more fun.
Speaker 4: Wins.
Speaker 1: Mean, you know, it's fun to win all the time,
Speaker 1: but not but you can. It can do something to
Speaker 1: you come to expect glory and victory in this way
Speaker 1: and almost given entitlement. And I think that's what I
Speaker 1: resented about Yankee fans that were around me, is that.
Speaker 4: They were entitled.
Speaker 1: They felt they were better than Yes, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, that's what it was. And I remember maybe
Speaker 1: this happened in your family at some point. But one
Speaker 1: day I think I was just like wanted to test
Speaker 1: the waters. And I walked into my dad and I
Speaker 1: was like, I'm a Yankees fan, and I bought all
Speaker 1: this Jeter Merch. I think I thought maybe you.
Speaker 3: Really were a Yankees fan, if you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: No, I was a big fan of was Mariah Carey
Speaker 1: and they were dadd.
Speaker 4: Was as you like Tina Martinez too.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I love Tina Martinez first place. When
Speaker 1: he would he so he would wear he would wear
Speaker 1: a batter's helmet while he played in the field. He
Speaker 1: was one of the only ones. So this is like
Speaker 1: deep in remember what.
Speaker 4: Did your father what was his?
Speaker 1: Was he just like my dad? It? You know what's
Speaker 1: funny is he reacts now to the TV when Trump
Speaker 1: is on the way. He used to react when things
Speaker 1: would go down with the team, and I thought over
Speaker 1: the years he had calmed down, but then let but
Speaker 1: you know it's now, it's politics. But last year when
Speaker 1: the Mets were really in it again, he was yelling
Speaker 1: at the TV again, and I was like, you know
Speaker 1: what kind of you know, Oh, it's great, but I
Speaker 1: I remember, like, yeah, that was before theater for me,
Speaker 1: like sports.
Speaker 4: And sports is theater.
Speaker 3: I mean, my god, the drama in our house and
Speaker 3: we can move on. Honestly, in our house, you'll hear
Speaker 3: like through the house.
Speaker 4: I don't know if you guys do this. There's a
Speaker 4: thing about clapping when you get runs. It's not like
Speaker 4: golf clapping.
Speaker 1: It's like the spirited class.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like this kind of clap that I'm like, ah, like, oh,
Speaker 3: that's better for all of us.
Speaker 1: It's whatever happens is good.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we we did skip over. So you you talked
Speaker 3: about hairspray, But what was your mom asked about to
Speaker 3: talk about your your hairspray experience? I don't know, and
Speaker 3: maybe I should sorry, but.
Speaker 2: I mean, no, no, no, why should you know? I mean,
Speaker 2: what was as it relates to theater.
Speaker 4: You're no that cultural.
Speaker 2: It's a lot of different answers every day.
Speaker 4: That's okay.
Speaker 2: I will say today probably a propos of you being here,
Speaker 2: you are on the top of at the top of
Speaker 2: the show, I was kind of unlocking all these Once
Speaker 2: Upon a Mattress memories for myself, and I wasn't going
Speaker 2: to the library and picking up your recording of Brought
Speaker 2: Once Upon a Mattress as well as because this was
Speaker 2: two thousand and three, as well as the Wicked Soundtrap,
Speaker 2: the Wicked recording, and both of those figure very heavily
Speaker 2: into my life. But but but just it was hearing
Speaker 2: you sing shy, I was hearing you saying you know,
Speaker 2: like Spanish Panic or doing like the you know, all
Speaker 2: those things, all those songs. But I mean it's a
Speaker 2: musical that I love funny.
Speaker 4: Not everybody loves that music.
Speaker 2: It's jazzy and fun funny, and it's actually way funny.
Speaker 1: We went. I took my ants to go see that.
Speaker 4: You get almost it's like a sketch company.
Speaker 1: And the new one that Amy Sherman Palladino did, the
Speaker 1: new book for talking about.
Speaker 4: With a sudden Yeah, I didn't get to It was.
Speaker 1: Really much funnier than I thought it was going to be,
Speaker 1: and because you know, had been modernized and I had
Speaker 1: been punched up for a modern audience. But I left
Speaker 1: with a big smile. It really, it really was great,
Speaker 1: and it actually made me excited about reviving stuff like
Speaker 1: that because there's a little part of me that really
Speaker 1: is excited about where theater is going. I'm sure you've
Speaker 1: everything but Sunset Boulevard, and I mean, you know, whatever
Speaker 1: is happening with Avida right now with Rachel and I
Speaker 1: love the.
Speaker 3: Choice, Jalloyd, that's what you like?
Speaker 1: Well, you know where we're going tomorrow, We're going to
Speaker 1: see a gypsy. Second try Audre is she's just giving everything,
Speaker 1: and I don't think, well, yes, I don't think I
Speaker 1: had really understood and appreciated the choice to take Rose's
Speaker 1: turn up, which took it out of her comfort zone
Speaker 1: purposefully to show the anguish, because I really feel like
Speaker 1: this gypsy is exploring Rose as mentally ill, and I
Speaker 1: think that's such an interesting and fascinating way to go
Speaker 1: to go about it. And so I guess that's what
Speaker 1: I mean about like this stuff coming back and you're
Speaker 1: kind of like, you know, you hear about something's going
Speaker 1: on stage or some person wrote being a part of
Speaker 1: some revival, and you're like why and then you see it?
Speaker 1: Do you give the opportunity? And you see why? Right?
Speaker 1: And once upon a Mattress is just it's fun to last.
Speaker 1: The jokes were hard, yeah, which is I find rare,
Speaker 1: but you know it was. It was great.
Speaker 2: I mean, it just opened my eyes too, because because
Speaker 2: growing up Colorado and suburbs.
Speaker 3: It's funny that you grew up in Colorado. It's like,
Speaker 3: I don't why is that weird?
Speaker 4: Why is that?
Speaker 3: Like?
Speaker 4: Why not?
Speaker 1: But why not?
Speaker 3: I think because I feel like you are such a
Speaker 3: urban person, yeah and urbane and no.
Speaker 4: Because I think you know, I didn't. I didn't get
Speaker 4: to see you as you are, right of course.
Speaker 1: Four.
Speaker 3: Always like maybe I bet you were, but you know,
Speaker 3: you take on a little bit of something else. I
Speaker 3: just it's so funny because I that's just silly.
Speaker 4: And small of me.
Speaker 3: I'm not at all suggesting that that won't exist in
Speaker 3: other parts of that.
Speaker 4: I just think of you very sidified.
Speaker 2: But between the three of us, it's like our essences
Speaker 2: have kind of like merged with the city, you know
Speaker 2: what I mean.
Speaker 4: It's which probably happens wherever you go and stay.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean absolutely, But I've hit a milestone recently
Speaker 2: and that I'm still not totally sure how I feel about,
Speaker 2: which is thirty four years old, officially hitting seventeen years
Speaker 2: in the city. So wow, wow, I'm like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 2: this is and you know what this is like a
Speaker 2: conversation like Josh Sharp and I our friend Josh and
Speaker 2: Coles Goal that I have had like a few years ago,
Speaker 2: were just like gosh, are we just because our friends?
Speaker 2: There's this big exodus to ask.
Speaker 3: You guys next, like how is it that we've kept
Speaker 3: you in New York is that.
Speaker 2: It's been work for me. But then, but then, but then,
Speaker 2: like our friends are just like are we just like
Speaker 2: the lifers here? Are we just like the welcoming committee
Speaker 2: for any like new people who come and like we're
Speaker 2: we're there with like the greeting package or something. And
Speaker 2: now Matt's fully a New Yorker again, which I'm very
Speaker 2: very happy about.
Speaker 4: What neighborhood you You are? Oh interesting.
Speaker 3: You don't hear that as much lately, you know what
Speaker 3: it's nice to hear. So you're on the receiving end
Speaker 3: of the Elizabeth Gardens being saved.
Speaker 1: I just found out about it today. To tell you,
Speaker 1: I did get a little emotional because I thought, like
Speaker 1: it's a little Carrie because I'm single and I'm feeling
Speaker 1: good about that again. Yeah, and I'm good and I
Speaker 1: feel like I'm do you have I.
Speaker 4: Think I'm a property apartment? Is it pretty?
Speaker 1: You know what it's like Carrie's wise? Is it really charming?
Speaker 1: And it's comfortable?
Speaker 3: And I am are you walking up? You know I'm
Speaker 3: not walking up because you have an elevator. There is
Speaker 3: one l that's amazing on those streets. Yeah, yeah, see
Speaker 3: because those are smaller buildings.
Speaker 4: It is.
Speaker 1: It is my dream come true. So I'm still exploring. Okay,
Speaker 1: so you might need to write some things down.
Speaker 3: That would it is if I'm correct, because I know
Speaker 3: it is on the the one that goes east West.
Speaker 3: I know it's on that street, the cross street I
Speaker 3: feel less confident about. But if I'm right, that is
Speaker 3: a sandwich shop is not it's not.
Speaker 4: It's just as well like it's not. It's a nothing.
Speaker 4: Yeah that's not true.
Speaker 3: Everything is, but not like I don't think people are
Speaker 3: lining up with their cameras and shooting it.
Speaker 4: I think it's just the real deal.
Speaker 1: It's a breeze, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: Like it.
Speaker 1: It feels exciting, and I think honestly, I got chased
Speaker 1: out of New York for a lot of like you know,
Speaker 1: reasons for in here, and then all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: I felt like I was called home. And I will
Speaker 1: say it is harder day to day, but it is
Speaker 1: so worth it. Like I find that New York it
Speaker 1: does toss those challenges your way, just like well I
Speaker 1: asked for this. It's hot as hell. Yeah, there is
Speaker 1: no easy way to get places. But I will say
Speaker 1: you're compelled and like that's all I ever really, It's
Speaker 1: like when I was little watching that show, I was compelled.
Speaker 1: New York compels and.
Speaker 4: A lot of sorry, I keep like being forced.
Speaker 1: To be away. I remember I came back and like
Speaker 1: I walked the streets even though it was raining, and
Speaker 1: I literally was having like it as if we said
Speaker 1: goodbye moment, and I was just like God, and I
Speaker 1: was emotional because memories everywhere and you're only really ever
Speaker 1: going to have one home like that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, No, it's pretty it's pretty special. I wish it
Speaker 3: were more hospitable to those who feel that kind of
Speaker 3: dream because it's just right now. It's just it's very
Speaker 3: it's just prohibitive financially, and I would love for others
Speaker 3: to be able to try to make it their home
Speaker 3: and and have it be a real possibility. And maybe
Speaker 3: we will, maybe we will find more voltable housing for
Speaker 3: our you know, our communities, and you know, like maybe
Speaker 3: that is not insane, because I think so. I guess
Speaker 3: I feel like I want to go back for a
Speaker 3: second and just say it's amazing that people are moving
Speaker 3: back to New York. So somebody else I know, just
Speaker 3: is moving back to back to New York. I feel
Speaker 3: like it's such a that is such an that's it's
Speaker 3: an usual thing to be hearing. So I feel as
Speaker 3: if we're not losing people in the same way we
Speaker 3: I think, well, I felt we were. That there is
Speaker 3: a kind of buoyancy. Maybe again, if not, if we're
Speaker 3: not one hundred percent, at least we don't seem like
Speaker 3: this forbidding place. Sure, so some somewhere people are still
Speaker 3: thinking you can maybe make it.
Speaker 4: Absolutely happen there.
Speaker 2: And I'm sure, just to go back to what we're
Speaker 2: talking at the beginning of this episode, I'm sure what
Speaker 2: a lot of the projection that people throw it. People
Speaker 2: must when they see you, when they get excited, they
Speaker 2: must dump a lot of that ambition and that like
Speaker 2: just that the way that they wish the city was hot.
Speaker 1: You you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: I'm happy to be on like the repository for the dumping.
Speaker 4: That's all right, Yes, that's all right.
Speaker 2: That's a huge role. But speaking of New York, how
Speaker 2: and you brought Bridget Everett earlier, how how did you
Speaker 2: get to know those people like Bridget, like Amy Sedaris,
Speaker 2: like all like Andy, like like that is such a
Speaker 2: fun downtown crowd and like always been curious about like.
Speaker 4: Okay, I'm trying to remember the order.
Speaker 3: Amy and I met Matthew, and I worshiped Amy Syaris.
Speaker 3: We saw her, you know, on Letterman basically, which is
Speaker 3: she was like a regular you know, cancel.
Speaker 4: She was like she was the greatest. So this was
Speaker 4: in the late nineties and then so we really like together.
Speaker 3: It was like the things we loved were the Yankees,
Speaker 3: ab Fab and Amy Sidaris and of course David but
Speaker 3: he wasn't making as many appearances on commercial television as
Speaker 3: Amy was, but.
Speaker 4: She was still nichey.
Speaker 3: Like it wasn't like you could walk the streets and
Speaker 3: talk about Amy Sedaris. It was a it was much
Speaker 3: more value like things. So then yes, so then Amy
Speaker 3: and I came to know each other because I was
Speaker 3: going to do a play off Broadway at MTC main Stage.
Speaker 3: I was going to do a play that David Lindsay,
Speaker 3: a Bear play, and it was his follow up to
Speaker 3: Fuddy Mers, which is one of my most favorite shows ever,
Speaker 3: plays ever. And we were supposed to start rehearsals on
Speaker 3: September eleventh, two thousand and one, and we had made contact.
Speaker 4: You know, I basically did it because.
Speaker 3: Amy and and I love David Lindsay Bear, and so
Speaker 3: we that morning, I was up early to be on
Speaker 3: time for rehearsal and get to the subway, and I
Speaker 3: was downstairs. Matthew and I lived Low Low Manhattan, so
Speaker 3: we lived south of Houston, and I was watching the
Speaker 3: Today Show getting ready for my first day of school,
Speaker 3: and I was screaming at him and then I said,
Speaker 3: I have to go.
Speaker 4: I'm going to be late for rehearsal.
Speaker 3: And he said, I don't think there is going to
Speaker 3: be rehearsal today. So I called Amy, who I didn't
Speaker 3: really yet know, and I said, I'm worried about being late,
Speaker 3: and she said, I don't think there's going to be rehearsal.
Speaker 3: So anyway, we became friends and we took the subway
Speaker 3: home together every day, and we shared a dressing room
Speaker 3: and she very graciously just allowed us to infiltrate and
Speaker 3: she became a big part of our lives. And I
Speaker 3: always said, and I repeated, you know that, I always thought, like,
Speaker 3: she always says that she's a wedge in our marriage.
Speaker 3: But I was like, but they really have great chemistry
Speaker 3: and he really loves her so much, like he admires
Speaker 3: her so much. And then Scottie Whitman used to do
Speaker 3: a bunch of plays he directed at Le Mama, and
Speaker 3: Paul was always in them, and Bridget was or Ginger
Speaker 3: as I call her, And so then and then Ginger
Speaker 3: would come out east all the time and stay and
Speaker 3: then she ended up just staying at our house for
Speaker 3: I think she lived at our house for And you know,
Speaker 3: the world is the social circles are, and you just
Speaker 3: keep bumping into people. If you're lucky and if you
Speaker 3: are behaving basically as a decent person, you can stick around.
Speaker 1: So did you? Did you ever?
Speaker 3: Like it's pretty amazing cold, I mean, is there a
Speaker 3: better story in the world?
Speaker 4: Can you think of?
Speaker 1: Why you're not? I mean, like it's it's one of
Speaker 1: those things too where I got to say, it's always
Speaker 1: been like that. We've always said that they were our hero,
Speaker 1: Like I remember, that goes all the way back. I mean,
Speaker 1: that's why people don't really know. And I think they're
Speaker 1: knowing it now because there's a lot of press about call.
Speaker 1: But you know, truly always thinking like no one else Yes,
Speaker 1: And that was what was so inspiring, And it was funny,
Speaker 1: like we had to answer some interview questions earlier, and
Speaker 1: it was like, who is your mentor? And I was like,
Speaker 1: I just gotta say, I don't really have mentors, but
Speaker 1: I do have these like influences, and he was one
Speaker 1: of them. And I just wonder for you, like when
Speaker 1: you come to New York, were you seeing a lot
Speaker 1: of experimental stuff? Like were you seeing all of it?
Speaker 1: Like did you know Liz Suedos.
Speaker 4: My brother was in the My brother was in Runaways,
Speaker 4: the first.
Speaker 1: Original mentor no Way Adam Yu.
Speaker 4: Yeah, oh that's right because so she taught there.
Speaker 3: Okay, So when I was doing Annie on Broadway, my
Speaker 3: brother was in Runaways down about four blocks down south.
Speaker 4: Not even he was in the original company.
Speaker 3: He was a public and on Broadway, I auditioned from
Speaker 3: Runaways too.
Speaker 4: Did not get it, nor should I have gotten it.
Speaker 4: But so we met at.
Speaker 3: Forty ninth Street because we were had to take the
Speaker 3: end and R to the tram every night.
Speaker 4: So I loved Live Squados. That show. Make sure your listeners.
Speaker 3: Pull up that cast album. That cast album is incredible.
Speaker 1: There was an episode you know it. I don't know.
Speaker 1: He almost worked with many many times. I was very close.
Speaker 1: Oh no, it's fine, honestly, like, I love honoring her
Speaker 1: on this podcast, and she actually came up earlier today
Speaker 1: and is she really well just because we were answering
Speaker 1: those questions and I asked me that that mentor question
Speaker 1: and I was like, you know, trying to find it,
Speaker 1: and I was a little frustrated with myself, and then
Speaker 1: I realized that's who it was. It was Liz, because
Speaker 1: she just explored all these sides of me and like
Speaker 1: like the way she let me see myself, and I
Speaker 1: think that's what like great I think she was though
Speaker 1: she had a real energy and she I remember she
Speaker 1: just when I first auditioned for her, it was but
Speaker 1: I wasn't an acting student. I was, I don't want
Speaker 1: to make this about me, no, go, go go. I
Speaker 1: was very very closeted, but like I said, very passionate
Speaker 1: kid that wanted to do this. And I think that she,
Speaker 1: more than anyone else in my life, like allowed me
Speaker 1: to see myself as limitless. And I do think that
Speaker 1: that's such a gift to give someone who's a young performer,
Speaker 1: is to like the knowledge that you can be anything. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And she really took away my fear and emboldened creativity
Speaker 1: in me and like made me aware of my stage presence.
Speaker 1: And it was a way it was like she would
Speaker 1: look you in the eyes and gave you a gift
Speaker 1: even in just doing that, and gave you fearlessness. And
Speaker 1: that is like, that's why I ask is because we're
Speaker 1: talking about these people that energetically really.
Speaker 4: Have her spirit.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and so I felt compelled to ask.
Speaker 4: You, you know, because I probably wouldn't otherwise.
Speaker 3: She was really talented. She's really really talented and very
Speaker 3: you know, if anyone can find their way to run
Speaker 3: Aways and just really watch that show, it's it's a
Speaker 3: pretty freaking extraordinary show and it's brutal.
Speaker 4: And what Josie de Guzman Diane.
Speaker 1: Diane was young.
Speaker 3: Toby, my brother Toby who went on to do the original.
Speaker 4: He was in the original Rent as well.
Speaker 3: He did all of Jonathan shows from Naked Angels and
Speaker 3: Tiktic Boom.
Speaker 1: Like what I'm talking about. Like, and I loved the
Speaker 1: Tic Tak Boom movie that lin Manwel did so much too,
Speaker 1: because it got that spirit. I remember like when he
Speaker 1: showed those rehearsal rooms, I felt like I could smell them,
Speaker 1: like the light coming in the window on those third
Speaker 1: floor studios. You know what I'm saying. It just brought
Speaker 1: me so back in it. It's hard, and I wonder, like,
Speaker 1: how do you remind yourself to be fearless when when
Speaker 1: you when you're you need to be when you're when
Speaker 1: you're so established. I suppose, because I think that's something
Speaker 1: that we're running into, is it's like it's harder to
Speaker 1: be fearless as you've become more established.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 3: You just try to make interesting choices. And you know,
Speaker 3: doing Plaza Suite was really terrifying. It's just absolutely terrifying.
Speaker 3: And playing each of us, you know, we're playing three
Speaker 3: parts and they're not anything like us.
Speaker 4: They're not.
Speaker 3: It's a different generation and politics were different, and women
Speaker 3: were different, and sexual politics was different, and people sounded.
Speaker 4: Like where they were from.
Speaker 3: There were regional accents and manner and behavior, and it
Speaker 3: was absolutely terrifying.
Speaker 4: But I couldn't not do it.
Speaker 3: So there are lots of ways in which you can
Speaker 3: stay well, feel like you've always felt like, what is
Speaker 3: the job?
Speaker 4: How well? What I mean?
Speaker 3: The only difference now is you know, how long is
Speaker 3: it taking me away from my family at this point?
Speaker 3: That's the that's the only new part of the math
Speaker 3: of making decisions. It's pretty much all the same.
Speaker 1: It's just now you were just glowing together. I remember
Speaker 1: I thought her she went with James cullyh and like
Speaker 1: we we're watching it and just there's a moment I
Speaker 1: believe it's the top of that two when you come
Speaker 1: out in the blue dress. Oh yeah, and the audience
Speaker 1: is just you for it in this outfit. And we
Speaker 1: looked at each other like, oh, come on, And I mean,
Speaker 1: like but and then just like the kinetic energy that
Speaker 1: you guys have together. You really are incredible scene partners.
Speaker 3: And I wonder we never really worked together that I
Speaker 3: like so nervous making but.
Speaker 1: That opportunity is brave in and of itself. I would
Speaker 1: imagine there's something courageous, and I'm like, okay, I'm in
Speaker 1: a way.
Speaker 3: It was kind of scary, just was I mean, it
Speaker 3: was scary for all the reasons that I'm always nervous.
Speaker 3: Every time I get a job or do a job
Speaker 3: or start a job, I'm always like basically not really
Speaker 3: functioning as a calm person. Like the first two or
Speaker 3: three weeks of every job are just awful. They're really
Speaker 3: incredibly unpleasant. Well, is it like really, yeah, just nervous
Speaker 3: and sick and like not not sick, but like, yeah, you're.
Speaker 1: You're in your Yeah, there's something in your body that's
Speaker 1: Is it like that even when you revisit.
Speaker 4: Carry every single season?
Speaker 1: Really?
Speaker 2: Because I was gonna ask, I'm always sort of struck
Speaker 2: by the idea do you feel that?
Speaker 4: Not?
Speaker 2: No, not at all. I mean I'm just like perpetually
Speaker 2: nervous and that just hasn't changed.
Speaker 4: No, no, no.
Speaker 2: But I asked Cynthia this. I was like, was it
Speaker 2: what was the reacclamation to Miranda and she was like, no,
Speaker 2: she's kind of in me. I was like, that's incredible,
Speaker 2: But I was I'm always struck by the idea that
Speaker 2: you never watched dailies most of Sex and the City
Speaker 2: you haven't seen back is part of the answer the
Speaker 2: question that Matt's asking. Is it to eliminate the things
Speaker 2: that would like engender fear, because yeah, to watch to
Speaker 2: watch yourself back.
Speaker 3: It's not productive for me, it makes it and it
Speaker 3: is for Cynthia. Like Cynthia is a perfect example of
Speaker 3: someone who can watch dailies and have it be helpful, useful,
Speaker 3: and for me it's paying attention.
Speaker 4: I just want to be I just want the work
Speaker 4: to be good.
Speaker 3: Like I don't need to see a play back on
Speaker 3: the set ever, I don't need to see dailies. If
Speaker 3: there is something radically wrong, I'm gonna have known about
Speaker 3: it long before that war comes back from the studio
Speaker 3: the next day. I will have felt it on the
Speaker 3: set there I have, so I have like I'm like.
Speaker 4: A whippet, you know, I'm like so like this.
Speaker 3: I want so much for the work to be good
Speaker 3: that anything that feels peripheral isn't helpful to me.
Speaker 1: It's not I think it's honest. I think you are
Speaker 1: I think you really do seek honesty.
Speaker 3: I really because you would say that she can seek
Speaker 3: honesty from those dailies.
Speaker 4: But I just were just made different process, right, right,
Speaker 4: But is.
Speaker 2: In the absence of that sort of reflection, like what
Speaker 2: is your way of tracking Carrie through all the years, talking.
Speaker 3: To Michael all the time, asking a lot of not
Speaker 3: asking questions because I'm not a trained actress. I'm not
Speaker 3: asking questions. I'm not asking subtext questions which I keep
Speaker 3: to myself. I'm asking questions a sort of like a
Speaker 3: for instance of But if she's saying that, or she's
Speaker 3: behaving this way, or she makes this gesture or she
Speaker 3: wears that, then don't we want to be thoughtful about that?
Speaker 3: Or if you're asking if it's written this way, is
Speaker 3: there like is there a landmine on the way.
Speaker 4: To the next thing?
Speaker 3: Because and and sometimes Michael Patrick will say to me,
Speaker 3: you don't know what I know, and I'll say I
Speaker 3: don't and I don't want to, like I don't like
Speaker 3: to read the script until the night before the table read,
Speaker 3: because I have so much work to do in this
Speaker 3: present moment that if I start sorry knowing what Carrie's
Speaker 3: going to do next, then I'm like, they're not here.
Speaker 3: Or he'll say to me, wow, that's a I didn't
Speaker 3: see that. You're right, that's a good point. Wait a minute,
Speaker 3: let me think about that. Maybe we should back off that,
Speaker 3: or maybe you're right to pay attention to the kind
Speaker 3: of language here, because maybe we don't.
Speaker 4: Like I'm very I'm always on them about language.
Speaker 3: I'm like, she's right, or she's right, or she's writer,
Speaker 3: so she's thoughtful about the way she's expressing things like
Speaker 3: does she use the effort a lot? Maybe not, because
Speaker 3: she's always gain and considering and her observation life has
Speaker 3: been like her meal ticket. So I want to be
Speaker 3: thoughtful about language because it's the only way she's in
Speaker 3: the world.
Speaker 1: Thoughtful, literally, full of thoughts, right, Yes, And it's that's
Speaker 1: really interesting, especially because you're talking about how like.
Speaker 4: So that's our tracket.
Speaker 1: Sorry, I love that, But you're the in speaking about
Speaker 1: like literally the character of Carry Brawshaw. One of the
Speaker 1: things that I think is so incredible about Carrie is
Speaker 1: that she is far from perfect. She'd be very easy
Speaker 1: to judge, and I wonder how people do. I wonder
Speaker 1: how many.
Speaker 2: Times I'm saying that's the point I mean, but literally,
Speaker 2: she made I think one of the most famous mistakes
Speaker 2: in television history.
Speaker 1: Are you talking about, well, when she cheated? You know
Speaker 1: what I mean, like like men have.
Speaker 4: Been doing forever.
Speaker 3: Well, yes, but I have leads on shows and in
Speaker 3: movies and people were like, I love him.
Speaker 1: This is the This is the actual question I'm asking
Speaker 1: is how much do you judge her? And how much
Speaker 1: are you like Carrie when she does something that you
Speaker 1: don't mean.
Speaker 4: She's a fictional character.
Speaker 3: Well, yes, I think people make mistakes, and smart people
Speaker 3: do silly, stupid things, and they use poor judgment and
Speaker 3: they fall really short. Often the best of us are
Speaker 3: fall short, and you know we forgive us, or forgive
Speaker 3: us our chrust facets of we forgot. That's like, I mean,
Speaker 3: I kind of think if Carrie Bradshaw were somebody who
Speaker 3: was absolutely reliable to resist in that instance, the temptation
Speaker 3: of Big and Big who followed her around orbited in
Speaker 3: a solar system that seemed to only include the two
Speaker 3: of Themistic You know, those are new words for me.
Speaker 4: But but I and then I'm not entirely sure what
Speaker 4: is the show? Like who is this person?
Speaker 3: If she is only making really solid, predictable choices and
Speaker 3: choosing and it's not it's not a recipe for all
Speaker 3: of us to live by. That's what makes it. It's
Speaker 3: like there's an altered state to sex and the city.
Speaker 3: There's like it's not entirely the emotional life is rooted
Speaker 3: in truth, but its existence has always felt to me
Speaker 3: like slightly technicolor on a higher vibration altered. Yeah, Like
Speaker 3: the city looks like this and the clothes look like this,
Speaker 3: and there's like a time warp of like time suspends
Speaker 3: and you can be with people you love for long
Speaker 3: periods of time, which does not exist for all of us,
Speaker 3: no matter how much we love our friends.
Speaker 4: And love has this sort of like.
Speaker 3: Extra dose of some kind of adrenaline fueled, ridiculous consuming
Speaker 3: What does.
Speaker 4: She say to him? I want love.
Speaker 1: I want I am someone who is looking for love
Speaker 1: and that ridiculous love.
Speaker 3: And if you want I can't have. I mean, you
Speaker 3: don't spend time on HBO being perfect. And one of
Speaker 3: my favorite characters in the world is Tony Sopano Forever,
Speaker 3: and but that is not a man who makes great
Speaker 3: Curious how many people did not interrogate those same things
Speaker 3: about him, nor should they have, because it was just
Speaker 3: beautiful writing and brought us into the life of somebody
Speaker 3: who we wouldn't normally feel such.
Speaker 4: Compassion for it. I'm not comparing.
Speaker 3: I'm just saying it's curious how little tolerance we have
Speaker 3: for a woman.
Speaker 1: Of course it's that, but also it's like we project
Speaker 1: on to Carrie because we want to be her, whereas
Speaker 1: like we really don't want to be Tony Soprano. So
Speaker 1: there's maybe we.
Speaker 4: Want to give me, like there was something really well.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you need to want to bagger and you want like.
Speaker 4: The the intensity and.
Speaker 1: Yes, but it's almost like I feel like when people
Speaker 1: can expect something of you, like you can fail them.
Speaker 1: And I think that Carrie Bradshaw is an aspirational This
Speaker 1: is why it's my I asked the initial question of
Speaker 1: like that must feel sometimes a little intense because she
Speaker 1: is the woman who took over New York and and
Speaker 1: and started, you know, smoking her cigarettes, kicking off her
Speaker 1: shoes on the street. And now you know, we've seen
Speaker 1: her all these years and we've been with her, yet
Speaker 1: we didn't need to see all her growth too from
Speaker 1: the beginning, know that we wanted to be her, be
Speaker 1: one of her friends. Are you a carrier?
Speaker 4: You know what I mean?
Speaker 1: That's a question for a reason. And so when that
Speaker 1: is true, my opinion is that is why we're often
Speaker 1: hard on people because but I wouldn't do that and
Speaker 1: I'm carring, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: But that's so interesting carry Yeah, I've never heard that.
Speaker 3: That's really great. And I'm not privy to all of
Speaker 3: the chatters, so I'm just Kristin Davis always like keeps
Speaker 3: you posting in ways it sometimes I'm like, you don't
Speaker 3: have to tell me they I don't want to hear
Speaker 3: what anyone has to say, plus which is not it
Speaker 3: doesn't help me, but I'm thrilled the people have feelings
Speaker 3: like how great.
Speaker 1: Of course, right.
Speaker 2: The treat, the treat of watching Carrie now is just
Speaker 2: that you're like and this is just a testament to
Speaker 2: your acting, which I can't really quite still can't square
Speaker 2: with the fact that you don't want anything back. It's
Speaker 2: just like, this is this is Carrie. This is Carrie,
Speaker 2: like decades in in this beautiful way, you know. It's
Speaker 2: like it's still like I mean this last episode with
Speaker 2: Carrie and Ada, and it was it was the perfect
Speaker 2: extrapolation of like what like I watched as a non
Speaker 2: New Yorker thinking, oh, but that's that's Sarah Jessica. That's
Speaker 2: Sarah Jessica, like like shepherding this this person into like
Speaker 2: across time, and it went away that I think, I
Speaker 2: don't know that we love and.
Speaker 1: We should say. When we were talking about the scene
Speaker 1: with Aiden, we are this will come out in a
Speaker 1: few weeks. Yeah, so like we are a little bit behind.
Speaker 1: Something may have happened with Aidan since we're talking about
Speaker 1: Carrie again. I didn't love that she did this, but
Speaker 1: gave him the goddamn key. I was like, you really
Speaker 1: are given these men the access? And then why.
Speaker 2: I know she has to believe, but she has to
Speaker 2: want more for herself to But then and then we
Speaker 2: did watch on the way here, I knew you would
Speaker 2: do this. I'm humiliated. I'm humiliated. What an amazing sequence.
Speaker 1: Can we just talk about filming that like this, the
Speaker 1: wedding sequence, which obviously had to have a meeting for
Speaker 1: you as well because you're so close to it, and
Speaker 1: then you are creating this iconic thing. But like, you
Speaker 1: don't watch that back that sequence because you really killed it.
Speaker 4: I really remember. I remember, you know, we had to.
Speaker 4: We had to.
Speaker 3: Michael really wanted us to go to the premiere and
Speaker 3: sit through it and done.
Speaker 2: So so you did see.
Speaker 4: That I did. I wasn't like pleasant, but meaning like
Speaker 4: I don't want to watch myself for that long.
Speaker 3: And also that scene I remember really shooting because we
Speaker 3: were trying to I'll have this piece of tape off
Speaker 3: by the time we finished. We were trying to protect
Speaker 3: the plot.
Speaker 4: Like which was crazy thought that we could.
Speaker 3: Do it on forty third Street between sixth and fifth
Speaker 3: and we were all they had us in a hotel room,
Speaker 3: as you know they do. They got to put you
Speaker 3: somewhere while they're sitting up the shot. And so we
Speaker 3: were all in a hotel room together waiting to shoot
Speaker 3: that scene, and.
Speaker 4: I didn't know how.
Speaker 3: You know, there's so much and you both on your actress.
Speaker 3: You know, there's like a huge amount of thinking you
Speaker 3: can do about something, and some people prepare, really prepare,
Speaker 3: And I think about things a lot, and I learned
Speaker 3: my lines, but I don't really have a set plan because.
Speaker 4: It's so much about the other party.
Speaker 3: Like I can have all the plans in the world,
Speaker 3: but that means that it's potentially it's likely I'm not
Speaker 3: hearing a god darn thing you're saying or doing totally.
Speaker 3: So I had no idea how we were going to
Speaker 3: do this scene. I had no idea how I was
Speaker 3: going to be no, And it's just I think that's
Speaker 3: a really great example of Michael Patrick, like really setting
Speaker 3: the table and teeing.
Speaker 4: It all up really really well.
Speaker 3: And just calling action and not getting in anybody's way.
Speaker 3: There was no right or wrong way. I didn't hear
Speaker 3: him in my head saying I knew it. I whatever
Speaker 3: those lines where I knew you were going to do this,
Speaker 3: but there was so much truth. I think the entire
Speaker 3: time in my head now that I'm calling this was
Speaker 3: this probably this, this fear that he actually.
Speaker 1: Was capable of that not going.
Speaker 3: To show like there was going to be a part
Speaker 3: of him, even a psychic part of him that didn't
Speaker 3: show up. So anyway, that scene and just people around
Speaker 3: and us trying not to have anyone take pictures of
Speaker 3: the flowers and the petals, and those were real, real
Speaker 3: flowers and thorns and everything on the steps. I mean,
Speaker 3: those were real roses, for all their beauty and all
Speaker 3: their danger.
Speaker 1: It's so brilliantly directed. We were just watching it and
Speaker 1: I was like, Cynthia here, Oh my god, Kim, just that.
Speaker 3: How about when Christian just says no, no, and wait
Speaker 3: was it?
Speaker 1: I was like, no, it was primal, And I wanted
Speaker 1: to know, do you remember this is an insane question.
Speaker 1: Were there two no's in the script? Or was I
Speaker 1: think there was one? It's it's it's reaction.
Speaker 3: I'll call you guys later and ask christ I'll remember exactly.
Speaker 1: It's just iconic and that dress that she.
Speaker 3: Can barely walk in, it's on what's his name Zach zachs.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and the little comedic beat at the end of her.
Speaker 4: She doesn't have any movement.
Speaker 1: I love it. And that's that's also that's so that's.
Speaker 3: Chris, I have to say, like, that's how Kristen is
Speaker 3: about us, like, don't mess with us. I mean, she
Speaker 3: will not let anyone hurt us. She will jump in
Speaker 3: front of a bear, a train, a bullet.
Speaker 4: She is, that is her.
Speaker 1: It was. It was a mission statement that character, like
Speaker 1: that protection and also just like you know, the way
Speaker 1: that every character was like immediately filling into a utility
Speaker 1: to protect.
Speaker 3: Like everybody had their job. It was just yeah, I
Speaker 3: remember that about it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, just the way that Cynthia looks at him afterwards,
Speaker 1: like so deeply. Because I always thought that the reallyationship
Speaker 1: between Miranda and Big was always fascinating, Yes, because they're
Speaker 1: like I feel like Miranda always saw Big always do
Speaker 1: something that everyone didn't. And of course it was informed
Speaker 1: by like you know, sort.
Speaker 2: Of like the version that Carrie would tell either of
Speaker 2: them about, Oh, Miranda said this to her, Big said
Speaker 2: this today.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I think that's why, And maybe I have this wrong.
Speaker 3: We don't have to spend more time on this, but
Speaker 3: I think that's why it's so I'm not I don't
Speaker 3: expect you guys to know the answer to this, But
Speaker 3: it's possible that Miranda says, go get our girl when
Speaker 3: when Carrie's in Paris with Petrowsky. I think she's the
Speaker 3: one that says to Big, go get our girl, which
Speaker 3: is interesting that she is basically endorsing Carrie and Big.
Speaker 2: Totally so including herself in that arrangement.
Speaker 4: Of our Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: It's one of the best.
Speaker 2: And what you're describing on the day is even you're
Speaker 2: saying there's no process. The process is led by candor,
Speaker 2: you know, by this honesty that you just don't you
Speaker 2: need to know what Chris is going to do, or
Speaker 2: not to know what he's gonna do, but you just
Speaker 2: play off of what he's going to do or what
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 3: The best thing you can do as an actor, it's
Speaker 3: the best thing is to not be too prepared. Be
Speaker 3: prepared that way, to be on time, be on time,
Speaker 3: on time, time, learn your lines, you know your lines.
Speaker 3: I don't care what genre of filmmaking you're at unless
Speaker 3: you're doing unless it's entirely improvised. Sure, other than that, well,
Speaker 3: you know, and then just listen see what happens.
Speaker 4: It's the best.
Speaker 1: Another show I loved, I loved to Divorce, but I
Speaker 1: worked with I worked with Molly Shannon on a show
Speaker 1: called I Love That for You, And I remember we
Speaker 1: were in the makeup trailer one day and she looked
Speaker 1: at me and she goes, how much do you look
Speaker 1: at the line? And I go, don't throw the bat?
Speaker 4: She notes in her script.
Speaker 3: She's walking around with the script and she's got all
Speaker 3: the way.
Speaker 1: She loves to learned so much from her, right, isn't
Speaker 1: she great? Well? Obviously bones worked with her now several
Speaker 1: times because she's gone back.
Speaker 3: But you know, when she said, what what was your
Speaker 3: answer when she asked that, ques, I was.
Speaker 1: Like, you know what, I'm good because I I tend
Speaker 1: to drive my I'm very hard on myself and ID
Speaker 1: I would leave. It was my first series, regular job,
Speaker 1: and I wanted to do it. I wanted to do
Speaker 1: a good job, and I think that, you know again.
Speaker 3: Wanted to do better than a good job. Of course,
Speaker 3: of course, so basically like Jennifer Lewis.
Speaker 1: There was a day when Jenniva Lewis.
Speaker 3: We say, Lewis, that's the only way we say her name.
Speaker 1: One of my biggest bummers is that the episode that
Speaker 1: she came on this podcast and we were there, you
Speaker 1: were out and so but I want them to meet
Speaker 1: so bad because I just want to see that interaction.
Speaker 4: Jennifer Lewis.
Speaker 1: But she said to me one day, she was like,
Speaker 1: you're too hard on you hard on yourself and she
Speaker 1: just like was like she was like, and people like
Speaker 1: you know, just you have to know you have it.
Speaker 1: And so Molly asked me that question, and I was like,
Speaker 1: you know what, I'm learning to drive myself less crazy
Speaker 1: about it because I find you do know it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. If you're the kind of
Speaker 1: person who wants to show up and do a good
Speaker 1: job to begin with.
Speaker 4: You're going to do a job you do know.
Speaker 1: So sometimes I think it's important to preserve that freshness.
Speaker 3: A little bit of tingle, like the characters.
Speaker 1: Fresh from the But no, but it does feel like
Speaker 1: like the character doesn't know what they're about.
Speaker 4: To say, right, I know.
Speaker 3: So it's that fine line of being prepared and being complete.
Speaker 4: Yeah, like a raw nerve.
Speaker 1: But Molly was it was just interesting. I made that
Speaker 1: connection that you guys had worked together in the show
Speaker 1: I loved.
Speaker 4: Yeah, she's really great, I tell actors.
Speaker 3: And this was before I listened to Barbaris Streisen's book
Speaker 3: on tape, the only book I've ever listened to, not
Speaker 3: on tape but audio version. But I think Mollie's memoir is.
Speaker 4: The greatest.
Speaker 3: Like, if you can't get to an acting class, and
Speaker 3: you can't get to act.
Speaker 4: To an acting school, that is not a possibility for you.
Speaker 4: Read her book.
Speaker 1: It is.
Speaker 4: It is a handbook for young actors.
Speaker 3: I think it's first of all, I mean, not surprisingly,
Speaker 3: it's brilliantly written.
Speaker 4: It's so funny and.
Speaker 3: So clearly her voice, but her scrappiness and her persistence
Speaker 3: not actually unlike Barbara Streisence, who is like, I'm just
Speaker 3: I'm gonna get in that class.
Speaker 4: I don't care.
Speaker 3: I will get in that class if I have to
Speaker 3: lie about my age, if I don't lie about my age,
Speaker 3: if I do this, if I babysit for the acting teacher,
Speaker 3: if I all the ways in which she worked toward
Speaker 3: Molly had the same kind of grit and the same
Speaker 3: kind of endless.
Speaker 4: It's amazing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, literally throwing herself into it. Yeah, Okay, we're gonna
Speaker 1: throw ourselves into I don't think so, honey, I've seen this.
Speaker 3: The studios seems so big. I didn't realize the studio
Speaker 3: is so small. And I guess the way you guys
Speaker 3: shoot it, which is so funny to say for a podcast,
Speaker 3: But like the separation is often, are you more separated
Speaker 3: from each other?
Speaker 4: Sometimes? Are you ever?
Speaker 2: Sometimes?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Because sometimes they're shooting. I guess you're right. It's pretty
Speaker 3: funny together.
Speaker 1: Sometimes I do like being there.
Speaker 2: I do like being over there sometimes, but this feels.
Speaker 1: Right for that today.
Speaker 4: Okay, you can start over again.
Speaker 1: The top.
Speaker 4: All right, so what do you want me to do?
Speaker 1: You want me to and then yes, we all.
Speaker 4: Do it so because I almoso.
Speaker 3: That makes me really scared because yours are no doubt
Speaker 3: not likely going to be very funny snarky.
Speaker 1: Come on, well, now we're trying to meet exactly. So
Speaker 1: this is our sixty second second for those just joining us,
Speaker 1: last JP fans that are that are just coming by
Speaker 1: lost coach because I call yourself is here, but sixty
Speaker 1: seconds to ran and rail against something in pop culture
Speaker 1: that's getting in the kay.
Speaker 4: Please don't tell me if I can't wait to hear your.
Speaker 1: Yes, I have takes because I'm a fan.
Speaker 2: Here we go, Oh, this is Matt Rogers. I don't
Speaker 2: think so many time starts.
Speaker 1: Now, I don't think so, honey, Carry Bradshaw. I think
Speaker 1: you needed to give Paris a few more weeks back
Speaker 1: in the day. I have to say, because I don't
Speaker 1: think so, honey, big I never did. I like Miranda
Speaker 1: saw you from the beginning, sir, and I do have
Speaker 1: the words for it now. It was narcissistic of you.
Speaker 1: Rest in peace. But still I also don't think so, honey,
Speaker 1: Aiden wait for me five years, sir, Carrie s JP.
Speaker 1: I know you're not her, but you have a direct
Speaker 1: line to her. Carry. You are a target for narcissists. No,
Speaker 1: let me tell you something about who Carrie Bradshaw is.
Speaker 1: Carrie Bradshaw is someone who is looking for love, and
Speaker 1: I don't think that it's here in this beautiful city,
Speaker 1: in that townhouse infested with rats fifteen in Manhattan. I
Speaker 1: think you gotta go back to Paris. And I gotta
Speaker 1: say now, like you're gonna give me some New York
Speaker 1: recommendations in my new area, I think I want. I
Speaker 1: think I could give you some some Parisian recommendations Clencio.
Speaker 1: It says it's a gay club. It's not. You're gonna
Speaker 1: do great lots of wonderful straight guys. They're carry and
Speaker 1: they're not big and aiden, which is perfect for me.
Speaker 1: I don't think so, honey. And that's one.
Speaker 4: I don't want to go.
Speaker 2: I'll go and I'm gonna bring us down.
Speaker 1: But can I tell you some funny who cares and
Speaker 1: want us to be a spirited cut.
Speaker 3: It out up, make it better.
Speaker 2: They're gonna they're gonna see the time stamps. They're gonna
Speaker 2: know that we that we fucked with that.
Speaker 3: First of all, you're your turn.
Speaker 2: You go, this is this is, this is gonna, this
Speaker 2: is going.
Speaker 1: I know he's doesn't have the cutest pop socket. It's
Speaker 1: very little. He was dragged pop socket. So but this
Speaker 1: is also a figure up spin. That's it's a fidget
Speaker 1: spinner on a pop socket. Let's show the girls, show
Speaker 1: the girls. Look at that, y'all.
Speaker 4: Isn't that just pretty?
Speaker 1: He has a Pokemon finat.
Speaker 4: That's really really pretty.
Speaker 2: It's fun.
Speaker 1: All right.
Speaker 2: Oh, it's my BA, it's my baseball, it's my it's
Speaker 2: my Yankees.
Speaker 1: I'm looking down at the text and there's a lot.
Speaker 4: Are you serious? It's okay, I mean from the world.
Speaker 1: Just seeing then breaking some news anyway, it won't be
Speaker 1: topical now, but just know there's just more bullshit breaking. Okay,
Speaker 1: this is bowing yangs. I don't think and as time
Speaker 1: starts now, I don't think so, honey.
Speaker 2: When someone asks if you're free on a certain night
Speaker 2: without telling you what they are inviting you to, are
Speaker 2: pressuring you to do, that is a form of entrapment. Legally,
Speaker 2: that is a form of entrapment. You are not allowed
Speaker 2: to do that. I need to know what you were
Speaker 2: asking me to commit to before I tell you whether
Speaker 2: or not I'm free, because I might need the night
Speaker 2: to myself to stay in I need it. But I
Speaker 2: think we, I in the royal eye sense, need it
Speaker 2: and we just have to morator him on that for
Speaker 2: a little bit before we before we know a way forward.
Speaker 2: I think there should be legislation behind this. I mean,
Speaker 2: you're allowed to cancel.
Speaker 3: You get three, you get your free time back, and
Speaker 3: it's like.
Speaker 2: But then, but then the person feels like they are
Speaker 2: giving you your time back, which is also kind of
Speaker 2: a weird directional sort of way of framing it, and
Speaker 2: I just think we need to be more transparent about
Speaker 2: what the proposal is when we're inviting our friends.
Speaker 1: And that's one minute.
Speaker 4: And also that was really good, guys. That was both
Speaker 4: Both of those were great. Thank you a great It.
Speaker 1: Can be anything, but but listen what I'm saying about
Speaker 1: this is and when I say to you in response
Speaker 1: to what are you doing this night, and you don't
Speaker 1: qualify it with any information, and my response is, well,
Speaker 1: what's going on? Why? I'm not rude, No, no, I think.
Speaker 3: It's perfectly fair question. Yes, but I think it's a
Speaker 3: perfectly fair response. Hey, why I'm not sure yet?
Speaker 4: Why?
Speaker 1: Yeah, they are not sure? They won't they.
Speaker 4: Want the government.
Speaker 2: I don't think we're going to use that, do it.
Speaker 2: Why don't you sound you can't really use that anymore?
Speaker 4: But I just kind of it.
Speaker 3: I was like working on some other stuff, you know,
Speaker 3: I was some shine out, some other stuff.
Speaker 4: I went to Carolyn's comedy over there, I went to sell.
Speaker 4: I was just working.
Speaker 3: I try to work on some other Sometimes I just
Speaker 3: say the government so equally as.
Speaker 4: Like des orienting for the person that iked government, especially now,
Speaker 4: and it's like maybe it's true.
Speaker 2: It might be, it might be.
Speaker 1: You know, we were at the Beyonce concert in in
Speaker 1: in Paris and wow.
Speaker 4: That's why you guys know.
Speaker 1: Well we were there to do the can Lyon and okay,
Speaker 1: so for our Culture Awards, and we had a wonderful
Speaker 1: experience there. It was very exhausting and a lot we
Speaker 1: had never been. Well he had been to can a
Speaker 1: couple of years ago, but I had never been. It
Speaker 1: was it was intense and well, and then we had
Speaker 1: we took a little I guess it's sojourn.
Speaker 4: To How did you how did you not to choose them? Marae?
Speaker 1: We had a one travel travel, Yeah travel c B
Speaker 1: s E Travel and let us in a lovely area
Speaker 1: and we were like, well, if we're going to be
Speaker 1: there the same time as Beyonce, we're going to go
Speaker 1: see Beyonce.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And you know, we didn't get the Miley cyrus Knight,
Speaker 1: but we did get the jay Z Knight, which is
Speaker 1: special and it's in its own right to be certain.
Speaker 1: But some people were coming up and Bohm was trying
Speaker 1: out can we do it? At the end, I said,
Speaker 1: let's do it the way.
Speaker 4: That's great.
Speaker 3: I've done that, I said, on your way out makes
Speaker 3: you stop by or I do.
Speaker 4: I say, I'm like hon to stop and I always
Speaker 4: do stop by and say hello.
Speaker 3: But I dissuade them that a picture has any I'm like,
Speaker 3: let me just value of that idea.
Speaker 4: There's no value at all.
Speaker 2: This.
Speaker 1: That's it's good.
Speaker 2: That's the thing.
Speaker 1: You want to be able to say, Oh, I had
Speaker 1: this special bespoke interaction instead of I have.
Speaker 4: This like, yeah, it's not very great.
Speaker 1: They're never gonna.
Speaker 4: Be everyone's tense.
Speaker 2: But you know, everyone's comfortable and not tense for what
Speaker 2: we're about to do and witness.
Speaker 1: Is okay.
Speaker 3: I just want to say you that a couple of things.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 3: The first thing I'm going to say is that I
Speaker 3: have been preoccupied with.
Speaker 4: Family stuff.
Speaker 3: So I as much as I've wanted to really think
Speaker 3: about this and have it be the sole focus of
Speaker 3: getting this right, I have not had the kind of
Speaker 3: time I typically devote to something I care about.
Speaker 4: That's number one.
Speaker 3: Number Two, I don't have to be with anybody that
Speaker 3: is just nothing chaps my ass, nothing wants me the
Speaker 3: wrong way.
Speaker 4: I don't really carry around.
Speaker 3: So this was like to try to find something that
Speaker 3: really bothers me is so anatholic.
Speaker 2: You and I.
Speaker 3: Don't even know if it's even close to a minute long,
Speaker 3: and I'm gonna if it's going, it's really bad.
Speaker 1: You've plussed it with the.
Speaker 4: Glasses and not to the word.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 3: I saw Tina Fey the Great read, so listen.
Speaker 1: I don't so many.
Speaker 3: I don't think so, honey, Yes, and you bookend it
Speaker 3: with I don't think so.
Speaker 2: You don't have to end on you should you should?
Speaker 1: I don't think so, honey should begin the piece and
Speaker 1: it should end the piece, and if it can come
Speaker 1: check her throughout the piece.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna try.
Speaker 3: But there's if you ever have me back for no
Speaker 3: reason at all, because I think we've basically.
Speaker 4: Covered with subjects, I will do better.
Speaker 2: No, you haven't even heard.
Speaker 4: And I'm afraid everyone's to cover this topic.
Speaker 3: But it's the only thing in the whole world that
Speaker 3: bothers nothing, but.
Speaker 2: This is Sarah Burgers. I don't think so.
Speaker 1: One of your time starts now.
Speaker 3: I don't think so, honey, talking everywhere too loud on
Speaker 3: your phone.
Speaker 4: In fact, don't want to hear your very.
Speaker 3: Important business call regarding upcoming merger.
Speaker 4: Potential buyout.
Speaker 3: The Internescian workplace battles with Doug or Stacy or Kate.
Speaker 4: I don't think so, honey.
Speaker 3: We don't actually care whether we learn the inner workings
Speaker 3: of your psyche as you scream into your airsticks airs
Speaker 3: or into your speaker phone, or with the phone.
Speaker 4: Press to your ears.
Speaker 3: Nonetheless, both parties back and forth amplified for all to hear.
Speaker 4: I don't think so, honey.
Speaker 3: We know you are no doubt a very important person man.
Speaker 3: And though you may think your baritone dulcet tones are
Speaker 3: a gift to your fellow citizen on the train, bus
Speaker 3: or terminal d Gate twenty seven, or your abuse of
Speaker 3: the quiet car, or even the unsuspecting pedestrian you share
Speaker 3: a corner with as we wait for the walk sign.
Speaker 3: Who is on the receiving end of your screaming instructions
Speaker 3: to a coworker, family member or hotel receptionist. Hotel receptionists
Speaker 3: as you bully for the room with the ocean view.
Speaker 4: No, Bradley, I don't think so.
Speaker 3: Money, what you might consider a gift for those whose
Speaker 3: unfortunate path you cross, is more so a punishment.
Speaker 4: I don't think so.
Speaker 3: Public spaces don't qualify as working from home, Teddy are
Speaker 3: not inspired, motivated and pressed or swooning. So bro, bro
Speaker 3: with all do nothing cooler or hotter than a guy
Speaker 3: who knows when to use his indoor voice. That's crushing it,
Speaker 3: I don't think so, honey.
Speaker 1: That's to all you mister biggs out there. What are
Speaker 1: you talking about? That was? It felt like I was
Speaker 1: hearing it was euphoric for.
Speaker 3: So long I was gonna talk about how everyone has
Speaker 3: to walk from A to B with a big twelve
Speaker 3: ounce er of liquid constantly, but now it's so hot.
Speaker 3: I felt like that would be a criticism of people
Speaker 3: being properly diddressed dehydrated.
Speaker 2: But you know what, it is grotesque. It is too big,
Speaker 2: and all these little appositive affirmations on the bottle.
Speaker 1: We don't You're a grown person.
Speaker 2: You know you don't need that.
Speaker 1: What was the audition song, by.
Speaker 4: The way, Nothing from a course line?
Speaker 1: Nothing?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I do.
Speaker 1: I do think.
Speaker 2: I think a course line ending on one is actually
Speaker 2: quite iconic. I love that number so good.
Speaker 3: But that's experience where everybody, yes, everybody, specific types typically
Speaker 3: speaking are on their phone too loud.
Speaker 1: I would I would say that there is something I
Speaker 1: just wonder what's happening in private. That's so boring that
Speaker 1: they need to perform, because that's really what it is.
Speaker 1: They never had their little courset line hairspray moment, right,
Speaker 1: they didn't never, they just you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: that's their stage.
Speaker 3: Have you ever seen the fellow that sits in the
Speaker 3: old days, probably before there was security issues in the
Speaker 3: gate area, and answers the person on the phone.
Speaker 4: Who's talking, I do that now.
Speaker 1: That's funny.
Speaker 3: I wish I could pull up a tape I do
Speaker 3: it now, and my children are like, please moment, don't
Speaker 3: do that.
Speaker 2: Please.
Speaker 3: So if someone's on the phone saying, well, Bob, you know,
Speaker 3: can you make it in seven days, I'm like, I'll
Speaker 3: try to make it.
Speaker 4: I answer, oh, that's great. And after a minute, it's.
Speaker 3: So confusing to the person who is loudly having this
Speaker 3: important call at gate anyway, watch that guy, he's it's
Speaker 3: I don't know if you're a fan of what's the
Speaker 3: show Candid Camera?
Speaker 1: I love?
Speaker 3: Okay, that's basically my This is this that that's that's that.
Speaker 4: I mean, this is that.
Speaker 2: This is that the kids these days don't know about
Speaker 2: Candiy camera camera good. And I will say that in Paris.
Speaker 2: This is there's a woman in you know, my room
Speaker 2: wasn't quite ready, so I was killing. I was killing
Speaker 2: about an hour. And it really sticks out when there's
Speaker 2: a clearly American person wasn't a man, but this American
Speaker 2: American was screaming on the phone, and I was like, really,
Speaker 2: and all these French people just turning their.
Speaker 4: Oh, it's so awful.
Speaker 2: It's it's especially like agreed.
Speaker 1: It's really something when you are with someone to who's
Speaker 1: doing that and you can't. I remember I was on it.
Speaker 1: I was on a date one time and we were
Speaker 1: in a very crowded place going home, and he was
Speaker 1: loudly explaining to me when he learned the difference between
Speaker 1: a hard no and a soft no over email and
Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm going to use it forgive me. But
Speaker 1: the woman in front of us turned around and made
Speaker 1: eye contact with me like this, and all she was
Speaker 1: saying with her eyes was you cannot.
Speaker 4: I don't think.
Speaker 1: I don't worry. I was like, this is a one
Speaker 1: arm tug and a sayonara at the end of this,
Speaker 1: I don't think so honey, loudly going on about it,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, oh my god, where am I am?
Speaker 1: I am I the matrix right now or something like that.
Speaker 1: She was, she was, she was helpful, she was huge,
Speaker 1: you know, and only in New York, only New York.
Speaker 2: And we're so lucky that you joined us today. Thank
Speaker 2: you for having me, thank you for coming on.
Speaker 3: I said so many many many many many many many
Speaker 3: months ago. Literally, I think last whenever we wrapped, I said,
Speaker 3: you know, I was trying to un figure out, like
Speaker 3: how do you talk about a show today?
Speaker 4: Like what makes sense? What matters?
Speaker 1: What?
Speaker 4: There's just so much, but I was like, this is
Speaker 4: what I want to do.
Speaker 3: I want to do this show so much because I
Speaker 3: really I love what you're both doing together and separately,
Speaker 3: and it's you know, there's always the thing that feels fresh,
Speaker 3: and people are figuring out ways of like giving us
Speaker 3: information and stuff. But so I just I'm you know,
Speaker 3: I was hoping that it would be something that you
Speaker 3: guys would be hospitable to. So, Mike, thank you so
Speaker 3: much for having me. I really really appreciate it so much.
Speaker 1: It's so special to get to talk thank you. It
Speaker 1: really is.
Speaker 2: It's when you yes, it's when you're when you embrace
Speaker 2: these things like you going on all these shows is very,
Speaker 2: very affirming for people who podcast. In the podcasting space,
Speaker 2: we're like, oh, we get to talk to someone is
Speaker 2: compelling and wonderful.
Speaker 1: And we do have a lot of mutual friends.
Speaker 2: We do, yeah, we do.
Speaker 3: So to cross it's more bigger or more ye, yes,
Speaker 3: and we will yeah.
Speaker 1: And you know, next time I see Matthew, I I
Speaker 1: didn't bother them this time, gon like next to Steve
Speaker 1: and everything, and I was just like there, but I
Speaker 1: did just watch election and so good and just such
Speaker 1: a icon in it.
Speaker 4: So good and so.
Speaker 1: Still did you have a crush on Fares?
Speaker 3: I thought he was great very quickly. I went to
Speaker 3: see Ferris Bueller with a young Martha Plimpton. She was staying,
Speaker 3: she was shayed with me, and we got to the
Speaker 3: theater at the Golf and Western Building, which is wow,
Speaker 3: just you know at Columbus Circle. You know what that
Speaker 3: building is called, of course, yeah, yeah, it was Golf
Speaker 3: and Western Building my whole childhood and endto young adulthood.
Speaker 3: And there was a theater, a movie theater underneath. It
Speaker 3: was a paramount movie theater. And we went to see it.
Speaker 3: I was with a fellow at the time, and Martha
Speaker 3: was sleeping over a bunch and we got to the
Speaker 3: theater and I remember she told me she forgot her wallet,
Speaker 3: and I was like, dang. But so we all saw
Speaker 3: Ferris Bueller together, which was amazing. And then I was
Speaker 3: shooting footloose when a movie when I think Project X
Speaker 3: came out, and another movie of his, and on my
Speaker 3: day off, I had rented a bike and I rode up,
Speaker 3: you know, to whatever in provo to the movie theater.
Speaker 3: And so I was seeing all his movies, but not
Speaker 3: because I was like, no, I loved his work, but
Speaker 3: and I thought Ferris Bueller was like other worldly. Yeah,
Speaker 3: like that I'd never seen someone talk.
Speaker 1: Do you have a kiss for Daddy? He's so good. Hey,
Speaker 1: if you're watching, but you're probably watching the Mets, and
Speaker 1: I don't blame yet.
Speaker 2: And let's go Mets.
Speaker 4: Let's go Masa, let's go Mesdana.
Speaker 2: What is that? The Mets?
Speaker 4: The interesting And I'm listening.
Speaker 3: I'm the one I was filming was the one from
Speaker 3: six to sixty oh sixty six New York.
Speaker 4: That's all you have all the other songs that I
Speaker 4: don't have?
Speaker 1: Wait, which one are you thinking?
Speaker 3: Thata? I don't know it's the METSA that I don't
Speaker 3: know something with a six sixty. I don't know Menavy, yeah,
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