WEBVTT - "Candor" (w/ Sarah Jessica Parker) 0:00:01.000 --> 0:00:05.000 Look may oh, I see my own and look over 0:00:05.040 --> 0:00:06.440 there is that culture. 0:00:06.559 --> 0:00:09.039 Yes, Gods loves culture. 0:00:10.680 --> 0:00:14.840 Ding Dong lost Culturista's calling. And like Carrie Bradshaw, we 0:00:14.880 --> 0:00:17.760 have returned from Paris. We have returned from Paris to 0:00:17.800 --> 0:00:19.400 New York and in the streets again. 0:00:19.840 --> 0:00:23.200 I mean, and we were in an expensive suite in 0:00:23.239 --> 0:00:25.560 this lovely hotel and. 0:00:25.520 --> 0:00:26.480 We did not find love there. 0:00:26.480 --> 0:00:28.120 We did not find love there, thank you of Bianca 0:00:28.240 --> 0:00:30.240 Mila of BC Travel Travel. 0:00:31.320 --> 0:00:33.360 We didn't really try to find love though. We didn't 0:00:33.400 --> 0:00:35.839 make earnest attempts. We made half fast attempts. 0:00:35.920 --> 0:00:40.440 No, I think even first staying in the Marae, it 0:00:40.600 --> 0:00:43.840 was still a pretty I would say, and I say 0:00:43.840 --> 0:00:46.280 this with all love. During Pride Month, it was a 0:00:46.280 --> 0:00:48.800 pretty pretty hetero sort of romance being sort of bandied 0:00:48.840 --> 0:00:51.960 about and even sort of I don't know, like at 0:00:51.960 --> 0:00:54.120 an allegedly gay club that we were supposed to go 0:00:54.160 --> 0:00:55.160 to that we did end up going to. 0:00:55.200 --> 0:00:56.240 Oh, that didn't feel gay at all. 0:00:56.240 --> 0:01:01.760 The energy was kind of more black swan straight sort 0:01:01.760 --> 0:01:05.880 of biomass. Then it was like an explicitly queer space 0:01:05.920 --> 0:01:07.280 And that's okay, you just took. 0:01:07.120 --> 0:01:09.000 Me back to We were in ny U and I 0:01:09.040 --> 0:01:11.400 walked on. It was Fourth Avenue and they were filming 0:01:11.400 --> 0:01:13.440 a movie and I said, what are you guys filming? 0:01:13.720 --> 0:01:16.040 And they said, we're filming a movie called Black Swan. 0:01:16.440 --> 0:01:19.039 And years later I'd not years later, a year later, 0:01:19.080 --> 0:01:21.080 I'd find out it was the iconic scene with Mila 0:01:21.160 --> 0:01:24.240 Kunas and Natalie Portman where Mila goes, you've never rolled, 0:01:24.800 --> 0:01:26.880 and then they do Molly and have a lesbian encounter, 0:01:27.240 --> 0:01:30.960 much more successful homosexually than we were in Paris. But 0:01:31.240 --> 0:01:33.319 you guys rock Natalie and Mila and come in the 0:01:33.360 --> 0:01:37.360 pod together together that they're still connected. I'm sure they are. 0:01:37.560 --> 0:01:41.160 Oh well, anyway, we're sort of doing that thing where 0:01:41.160 --> 0:01:44.440 it's like it's a big gas we really can't believe it. Yeah, 0:01:44.560 --> 0:01:47.800 And so no more of our bullshit, because this is 0:01:47.840 --> 0:01:51.040 a no bullshit moment in lost cult history. It's one 0:01:51.080 --> 0:01:53.760 of those days we were passing back and forth a 0:01:53.760 --> 0:01:58.080 little phone, sort of going shot for shot on iconic moments, 0:01:58.200 --> 0:02:01.920 moments and certain television sit is history and really just 0:02:02.000 --> 0:02:05.680 like sitting in not just the impact but the talent 0:02:05.880 --> 0:02:10.079 of our guests. Just an incredible actor as well as 0:02:10.120 --> 0:02:13.880 being a true pop culture icon. One of the top 0:02:14.000 --> 0:02:17.040 pop culture icons on our iconic four hundred, I believe number. 0:02:16.760 --> 0:02:19.359 Five, number five, and she was my first sort of 0:02:19.400 --> 0:02:23.600 pop cultural Winifred I was like such a show Carrolbernet, 0:02:23.680 --> 0:02:27.040 we love Oh. She would then play Agravain in her version. 0:02:27.720 --> 0:02:29.680 Once un of a Mattress is like the big first 0:02:29.720 --> 0:02:33.359 freshman year musical for me, huge window into the entire 0:02:33.600 --> 0:02:35.560 This is could be an answer for me for the 0:02:35.560 --> 0:02:37.360 culture that made me say culturess me one of them. 0:02:37.400 --> 0:02:40.440 The Broadway revival of oneceon a Mattress that our guest 0:02:40.600 --> 0:02:40.880 was the. 0:02:40.840 --> 0:02:43.320 Star up for me outside of the big one. I 0:02:43.360 --> 0:02:45.200 think I knew a little bit who I was when 0:02:45.200 --> 0:02:47.880 I watched hocus Pocus and I said, well, I'm that one. Yeah, 0:02:47.880 --> 0:02:50.760 that's the one I owned. In a dark lip, a 0:02:50.840 --> 0:02:54.680 dark lip and a distracted, bedazzled energy, I said, I 0:02:54.919 --> 0:02:57.480 want to be that unbothered. Of course I strive for that. 0:02:57.480 --> 0:03:00.480 They won't expect anything of me. No, of course you're 0:03:00.520 --> 0:03:03.760 dancing idiotically in the background. You never forget bet come 0:03:03.800 --> 0:03:07.560 on the pod, come on the pot anyway of course, Well, 0:03:07.639 --> 0:03:08.359 of course, Kat. 0:03:08.440 --> 0:03:11.800 They keep in touch. But first, but first our guest. Well, 0:03:12.000 --> 0:03:14.320 it's the mayoral primary in New York. I think she's 0:03:14.400 --> 0:03:19.440 our mayor. Everyone, please welcome into your Jessica pardon. 0:03:20.840 --> 0:03:24.120 Oh my gosh. I feel it'd be best if I 0:03:24.280 --> 0:03:28.200 just left now, like happy to be all those things. 0:03:28.240 --> 0:03:31.360 Like one day perhaps I will actually be one or 0:03:31.400 --> 0:03:34.760 two of those or that person you described, but perhaps 0:03:34.800 --> 0:03:36.960 we just leave best, best left alone. 0:03:37.680 --> 0:03:39.120 That thank you so much for having me have a 0:03:39.200 --> 0:03:42.440 great day. 0:03:39.760 --> 0:03:44.840 And honestly, though it does have to be I was 0:03:44.880 --> 0:03:47.360 thinking about this, like this idea of you as the 0:03:47.640 --> 0:03:51.440 woman who represents New York women, like when you are 0:03:52.000 --> 0:03:54.640 you and you're not Carrie Bradshaw, that's a little bit 0:03:54.640 --> 0:03:56.280 of a burden. But also I guess. 0:03:56.160 --> 0:03:59.280 Not, it's really not. None of it's a burden. 0:03:59.600 --> 0:04:03.720 I mean relative to burdens, do you know what I mean, 0:04:03.800 --> 0:04:05.120 Like relative to like. 0:04:05.720 --> 0:04:07.680 Actual crosses to bear. 0:04:08.640 --> 0:04:12.920 It's really one of the great privileges of a lifetime. 0:04:13.160 --> 0:04:16.000 My question for you is, and I've always wondered this, so, 0:04:16.120 --> 0:04:19.520 Carrie Bradshaw famous shoe game. Was your shoe game always 0:04:19.560 --> 0:04:21.560 on point or did you have to kind of up 0:04:21.560 --> 0:04:24.400 the shoe game as s JP because people see CB 0:04:24.920 --> 0:04:25.600 oh interesting. 0:04:26.000 --> 0:04:30.880 I think there was a tandem relationship and but one 0:04:31.160 --> 0:04:36.120 one went mad and the other stayed as like a civilian. Yeah, 0:04:36.200 --> 0:04:40.520 like I really actually have always loved shoes. And I 0:04:40.560 --> 0:04:43.240 will try to tell this story quickly, but I'm one 0:04:43.279 --> 0:04:45.800 of eight kids. There was a period of time in 0:04:45.839 --> 0:04:48.120 which I was one of six kids. But nonetheless, that's 0:04:48.160 --> 0:04:52.400 a lot of kids to shoe every year. And so 0:04:52.480 --> 0:04:55.000 at the top of the school year, my mother would 0:04:55.040 --> 0:04:57.680 take us. And this was not an unusual experience for 0:04:57.800 --> 0:05:00.839 people in this country. At a speci time, you'd go 0:05:00.880 --> 0:05:04.400 to a shoe store before school started, you would be sized. 0:05:05.040 --> 0:05:07.440 And we didn't have a lot of money, so we 0:05:07.440 --> 0:05:09.640 weren't like just shopping for shoes. It was like a 0:05:09.760 --> 0:05:12.919 utilitarian act in a way. It's just necessary. 0:05:13.120 --> 0:05:13.640 And we went. 0:05:14.040 --> 0:05:16.920 And I'm the fourth of the six and now eight 0:05:17.520 --> 0:05:20.440 or that, you know, soon after eight, and so I 0:05:20.480 --> 0:05:24.400 would just like walk around the shoe store smelling shoes 0:05:25.279 --> 0:05:27.320 and what I loved about a shoe store. And I'm 0:05:27.440 --> 0:05:28.839 much older than you, so I don't know if you 0:05:28.920 --> 0:05:31.000 had this experience, but when you walk into the shoe 0:05:31.000 --> 0:05:35.080 store in August, it's air conditioned. First of all, Like 0:05:35.080 --> 0:05:36.400 I don't know if you guys grew up with an 0:05:36.400 --> 0:05:38.320 air conditioner in your house. But we did not, like 0:05:38.400 --> 0:05:42.840 that is a privilege, like in the Ohio summer August. 0:05:42.839 --> 0:05:45.200 So we walk, you know, drive a good distance to 0:05:45.560 --> 0:05:48.720 our shoe store that is a distributor of like Buster Brown, 0:05:49.480 --> 0:05:52.440 you know, walk in and as my siblings were getting fitted, 0:05:52.480 --> 0:05:55.600 I would like pick up shoes and smell them and 0:05:55.640 --> 0:06:00.800 then turn them over and like really look at the 0:06:00.839 --> 0:06:03.679 stitching on the bottom of the soul of a Buster 0:06:03.800 --> 0:06:07.680 Brown shoe. So I really came to this experience of 0:06:07.720 --> 0:06:11.000 playing someone who has a far more fevered relationship with shoes. 0:06:11.160 --> 0:06:13.160 With some like real affection. 0:06:13.360 --> 0:06:15.760 I just don't I didn't have the access or the 0:06:15.880 --> 0:06:21.559 money or the the constitution to like be buying sure 0:06:21.880 --> 0:06:25.960 like it would not have I would not have considered 0:06:26.000 --> 0:06:27.800 that kind of indulgence. 0:06:27.920 --> 0:06:31.920 Yeah, seems like it seems like I'm relating this idea 0:06:32.000 --> 0:06:35.480 to you talking in interviews about having access to books 0:06:35.520 --> 0:06:37.600 in kind of a similar way. I mean, is that 0:06:37.640 --> 0:06:43.560 I mean obviously different functions, But like I find it 0:06:43.600 --> 0:06:46.200 interesting that you think that I think I mean planting. 0:06:46.279 --> 0:06:49.320 I'm going to guess that you are the one who's 0:06:49.320 --> 0:06:51.360 gone mad and carries the one who stayed a civilian 0:06:51.400 --> 0:06:52.440 and yet it seems. 0:06:52.120 --> 0:06:56.960 Like it's reverse crazy with shoes, and I stayed. Got 0:06:57.000 --> 0:07:02.680 it more real now, granted, perhaps not real too if 0:07:03.000 --> 0:07:05.280 if you might work in an office in Omaha, you 0:07:05.360 --> 0:07:08.960 might not like our versions of being civilians are not. 0:07:10.600 --> 0:07:10.760 Right. 0:07:11.680 --> 0:07:15.840 Pair of ball, I don't have the closet that she has. 0:07:15.920 --> 0:07:17.680 I don't have the shoes she has. I don't have 0:07:17.720 --> 0:07:22.280 the amount. Nor would I ever like that kind of 0:07:24.160 --> 0:07:29.360 that kind of indulgence and decadence to marm Yes, maximalist, 0:07:29.880 --> 0:07:34.480 I wouldn't, But I love shoes. So but books were 0:07:34.480 --> 0:07:36.720 different in my house because we had a public library, 0:07:36.880 --> 0:07:39.880 so we've always had books. We could always have books, 0:07:39.880 --> 0:07:41.960 but you can't always have shoes. 0:07:42.000 --> 0:07:43.160 And so when you grow. 0:07:43.000 --> 0:07:46.040 Up, I think having a pair for the fall and 0:07:46.120 --> 0:07:48.560 a pair for the spring and then hand me downs, 0:07:48.840 --> 0:07:53.200 you have a different like the the the thing you're 0:07:53.400 --> 0:07:58.320 reaching for remains like a far away distance, you know, 0:07:58.800 --> 0:08:02.400 And books were much more at our like we we 0:08:02.920 --> 0:08:07.200 thought of them, went to the library like fulfilled, you know. 0:08:07.240 --> 0:08:09.760 So they kind of are different. I love books, yes 0:08:09.840 --> 0:08:12.480 you can talk about that, but I've had a different 0:08:12.560 --> 0:08:15.160 It's been different because those have been more within my reach. 0:08:15.320 --> 0:08:19.640 Sure, when I was younger. I mean, I am always 0:08:19.680 --> 0:08:25.000 so curious about the sort of transitional time in your 0:08:25.040 --> 0:08:29.760 life where you were in Ohio to sort of working 0:08:30.320 --> 0:08:33.840 and probably being in New York for I guess many 0:08:33.840 --> 0:08:35.560 months out of the year or was that like a 0:08:35.600 --> 0:08:38.440 sudden quick like okay, we're picking like everyone. 0:08:39.559 --> 0:08:40.360 We moved to New York. 0:08:40.400 --> 0:08:46.680 I lived in Cincinnati until I was twelve. We my 0:08:46.760 --> 0:08:49.240 brother and I the previous summer, in the summer of 0:08:49.280 --> 0:08:51.320 seventy six, we'd worked in New York on a in 0:08:51.360 --> 0:08:53.680 a play on Broadway. It had gone out of town 0:08:53.760 --> 0:08:56.160 for out of town tryouts first, and that was my 0:08:56.280 --> 0:08:59.880 only experience working in New York. My my real father 0:09:00.080 --> 0:09:02.160 was born and raised in Brooklyn, but he wasn't living 0:09:02.240 --> 0:09:04.880 in Brooklyn by the time he became a parent, so 0:09:05.040 --> 0:09:07.400 we spent time in Brooklyn with his parents. But so 0:09:07.480 --> 0:09:11.400 we had that experience, and on January first of nineteen 0:09:11.440 --> 0:09:16.480 seventy seven, my parents put everything we owned into our 0:09:16.559 --> 0:09:18.640 Volkswagen bus and we moved to New York City, the 0:09:18.800 --> 0:09:21.680 entire family, and at that point there were six of us. 0:09:21.760 --> 0:09:26.040 My mother was pregnant with my sister Legra. 0:09:26.960 --> 0:09:27.560 She was born. 0:09:27.640 --> 0:09:30.760 She came later because she couldn't. It wasn't a great 0:09:30.800 --> 0:09:32.840 idea of for her to travel twelve miles in a car. 0:09:33.840 --> 0:09:35.360 But there was like literally like. 0:09:35.320 --> 0:09:37.360 I remember at one point my father kind of stopped 0:09:37.360 --> 0:09:39.440 suddenly and there was a cast iron skill up behind 0:09:39.520 --> 0:09:42.160 my head, and I just remember just like knowing that 0:09:42.280 --> 0:09:44.760 it was there, like putting my hand back to hold 0:09:44.800 --> 0:09:46.080 it so. 0:09:46.080 --> 0:09:47.960 That it wouldn't hit us all on the head. 0:09:48.240 --> 0:09:50.040 So then we moved to New York City, and we 0:09:50.120 --> 0:09:52.320 didn't have a home yet. We were going to be 0:09:52.400 --> 0:09:54.320 the first families that moved to Roosevelt Island. 0:09:54.520 --> 0:09:54.880 Oh wow. 0:09:55.040 --> 0:09:56.440 We came to New York to move to. 0:09:56.480 --> 0:09:59.320 Roosevelt Island because they had subsidized housings so we could 0:09:59.360 --> 0:10:02.360 afford to live New York City. But they were ready yet. 0:10:02.360 --> 0:10:05.679 So we moved to the Holiday Inn in Yonkers and 0:10:05.720 --> 0:10:08.920 we lived there, and then my mom came and so 0:10:09.040 --> 0:10:12.960 my sister was born in Yonkers, and then Roosevelt Island 0:10:13.000 --> 0:10:15.720 was finally ready, I think in the spring of seventy 0:10:15.760 --> 0:10:19.000 seven maybe, So then we moved to Roosevelt Island and we. 0:10:18.960 --> 0:10:22.040 Lived there was the train this is such a tram? 0:10:22.080 --> 0:10:22.319 Was there? 0:10:22.440 --> 0:10:22.640 Yeah? 0:10:22.720 --> 0:10:25.400 I was there, So there was no there was a Park. 0:10:25.559 --> 0:10:28.080 There was no subway service yet, it hadn't been built. 0:10:28.320 --> 0:10:28.959 It may have. 0:10:28.960 --> 0:10:31.960 Even just been like a dream. I don't think they 0:10:31.960 --> 0:10:36.080 had started digging that subway line yet. And we only 0:10:36.200 --> 0:10:38.640 knew about Roosevelt Island because there was an article in 0:10:38.679 --> 0:10:41.440 New York magazine about it. My mom read the article, 0:10:42.120 --> 0:10:46.320 and we applied through the Housing Urban Development Corporation and 0:10:46.520 --> 0:10:47.880 got one of the apartments. 0:10:48.080 --> 0:10:48.240 Wo. 0:10:48.880 --> 0:10:51.360 So we lived there for a year. So we all. 0:10:51.200 --> 0:10:55.680 Moved, the entire family. My father started a trucking business. 0:10:55.720 --> 0:10:58.440 He was a truck driver, and some of my other 0:10:58.520 --> 0:11:03.200 siblings were acts and auditioning and and thus began, and. 0:11:03.240 --> 0:11:05.600 Thus began our time in the city. 0:11:05.640 --> 0:11:08.000 And I don't think I ever imagined at that point 0:11:08.000 --> 0:11:11.040 that anyone would ever say, yeah, no, you're a New Yorker. 0:11:11.080 --> 0:11:13.880 I was like keeping track the entire time, Like at 0:11:13.920 --> 0:11:17.800 what point, Yeah, I get I belong, Yeah, yeah, I'm. 0:11:17.720 --> 0:11:18.199 A New Yorker. 0:11:18.320 --> 0:11:18.960 Yeah, I mean I have. 0:11:19.520 --> 0:11:22.839 I love Cincinnati so much, and it's an incredible city, 0:11:22.920 --> 0:11:25.480 Like it's a really special city, and it's cultured and 0:11:25.559 --> 0:11:28.839 interesting and such smart people and it's beautiful. 0:11:29.280 --> 0:11:29.880 But I love that. 0:11:30.160 --> 0:11:35.520 Yeah. Yeah, what year was? And he's been so on 0:11:35.559 --> 0:11:37.800 the brain for me recently because they just did that 0:11:37.840 --> 0:11:40.920 beautiful rendition of Tomorrow at the Tony Awards. Yeah, Sarah 0:11:40.920 --> 0:11:43.600 Burrellis and Cynthia Rivo and Limorium, and I was just 0:11:43.880 --> 0:11:47.200 I've now fallen into this wormhole of those songs as 0:11:47.280 --> 0:11:51.640 the greatest Maybe and Tomorrow and just really everything even 0:11:51.840 --> 0:11:54.120 not even just any songs, I mean across the board. 0:11:54.679 --> 0:11:55.520 What age was that? 0:11:55.920 --> 0:12:00.960 So that was I joined the the cast. I was like, 0:12:01.000 --> 0:12:03.880 I guess one of the first replacements. So what happened 0:12:03.880 --> 0:12:09.320 is Kathy jo Kelly was July. She left to do 0:12:09.360 --> 0:12:12.200 the first national tour and play Annie, so I was 0:12:12.280 --> 0:12:15.200 her replacement. So I came in in January of nineteen 0:12:15.240 --> 0:12:17.800 seventy eight having seen the show. 0:12:17.920 --> 0:12:21.960 Yeah, like I was like, you were obsessed. I don't 0:12:21.960 --> 0:12:22.800 even know if. 0:12:22.640 --> 0:12:26.920 Like there's a word to describe the way I felt. 0:12:26.600 --> 0:12:27.760 About seeing that show. 0:12:27.800 --> 0:12:30.280 We saw it, but I think before it opened on Broadway, 0:12:30.920 --> 0:12:33.280 and I've been working in an industrial with a bunch 0:12:33.320 --> 0:12:35.680 of the kids that were in that cast, and one 0:12:35.679 --> 0:12:39.319 of the original orphans was my understudy in the Innocence 0:12:39.320 --> 0:12:41.640 on Broadway that I had done the year before. 0:12:42.559 --> 0:12:44.679 So all of us were very like. 0:12:46.800 --> 0:12:51.000 We were like devotees of Annie and that cast album 0:12:52.040 --> 0:12:55.000 is so I came in as an orphan as July 0:12:55.640 --> 0:12:59.840 as well. I was cast as the understudy to Annie, 0:13:00.360 --> 0:13:06.360 which is mystifying because I didn't I never really sang professionally, really. 0:13:06.520 --> 0:13:09.199 Know was that? Is it? Just like loving it at 0:13:09.200 --> 0:13:11.640 that age? And so you're pretending or like what do 0:13:11.679 --> 0:13:15.240 you think made little you able to do that? Because 0:13:15.280 --> 0:13:15.839 it's not easy? 0:13:16.520 --> 0:13:16.640 No? 0:13:16.800 --> 0:13:19.160 Yeah? And I still left thinking, well, I'm not really 0:13:19.200 --> 0:13:23.560 a singer. I don't know. I think, you know, we 0:13:23.600 --> 0:13:25.120 grew up listening to records. 0:13:25.679 --> 0:13:29.000 We didn't have a television, and we listened to cast 0:13:29.040 --> 0:13:32.360 albums all the time. And you know, I think like 0:13:32.440 --> 0:13:34.000 a lot of people in my family, and we don't 0:13:34.000 --> 0:13:35.839 know why we have a musical ear, like we have 0:13:36.480 --> 0:13:41.400 good you know, we have musicality, or we have good pitch, 0:13:41.520 --> 0:13:46.440 like and I'm I'm an interpreter, like I'm an interpreter, 0:13:48.720 --> 0:13:50.440 and I you know, I had a really good audition 0:13:50.520 --> 0:13:52.880 song I will say was it? And it was kind 0:13:52.880 --> 0:13:56.600 of controversial and no one else was doing it. 0:13:57.280 --> 0:13:59.920 So we're gonna is the path like it's not fine? 0:14:00.080 --> 0:14:01.439 Are yeah? 0:14:01.559 --> 0:14:02.880 Because it's gonna might hit. 0:14:02.840 --> 0:14:04.640 I love I think we can. 0:14:04.679 --> 0:14:06.600 I think we can dovetail into the question. 0:14:07.040 --> 0:14:08.559 Okay, but I don't want to know your auditions. 0:14:09.160 --> 0:14:12.480 I think it's a crack to crack. Which Okay, this 0:14:12.520 --> 0:14:14.559 is the question, Sarah Parker, what was the culture that 0:14:14.600 --> 0:14:15.720 made you say culture is for you? 0:14:16.200 --> 0:14:20.120 So my answer to that question, and I was delighted 0:14:20.320 --> 0:14:22.880 to have one versus you know, heming and hind and 0:14:22.920 --> 0:14:24.760 trying to come up with something. I have a very 0:14:25.480 --> 0:14:28.600 clear and specific and the easiest. It took like twenty seconds. 0:14:29.120 --> 0:14:30.240 That's great. 0:14:30.440 --> 0:14:30.880 Okay. 0:14:31.280 --> 0:14:35.080 So in nineteen seventy six, when we came to New 0:14:35.160 --> 0:14:38.040 York or nineteen seventy five, I can't remember, we came 0:14:38.080 --> 0:14:42.720 to New York to audition for The Innocence on Broadway. 0:14:43.240 --> 0:14:47.200 And that's another kind of amazing, crazy long story. But 0:14:47.360 --> 0:14:50.440 as Bridget Everett, who I called gender says, short story long, 0:14:52.000 --> 0:14:54.160 we came to New York and while we were in 0:14:54.200 --> 0:14:57.440 New York City, one night we were spending time with 0:14:57.480 --> 0:15:01.440 my paternal grandparents in Brooklyn, and my mother and father 0:15:01.960 --> 0:15:04.760 went to see a show that was in previews called 0:15:04.760 --> 0:15:07.360 a chorus Line at the Schubert Theater. 0:15:07.720 --> 0:15:12.480 And they actually summoned the dollars. 0:15:11.960 --> 0:15:14.760 Together in order to stay an extra day, because they 0:15:14.800 --> 0:15:17.720 thought our children have to see the show, like they 0:15:17.920 --> 0:15:19.960 have to see the show. So they stood back in 0:15:20.080 --> 0:15:24.280 line and we got standing room, and we got two seats, 0:15:24.360 --> 0:15:27.320 and we flipped like some of us for a while, 0:15:27.360 --> 0:15:28.240 and some of us sat. 0:15:28.840 --> 0:15:30.920 And so I saw in. 0:15:30.960 --> 0:15:33.480 Previews at the Schubert Theater. I can't say that I 0:15:33.520 --> 0:15:35.480 saw it down at the public theater. I saw a 0:15:35.520 --> 0:15:40.120 course Line on Broadway before it opened, and I can 0:15:40.440 --> 0:15:46.320 say without hesitation that it completely changed my life. 0:15:46.400 --> 0:15:49.000 And I think what's interesting. 0:15:48.640 --> 0:15:54.680 About good theater, or a good book, a musical, or 0:15:54.680 --> 0:15:58.720 a straight play or a movie is that it is 0:15:58.760 --> 0:16:04.720 not necessary. I don't have to have been a twenty 0:16:04.760 --> 0:16:07.160 four year old. Course Line is famous for calling all 0:16:07.160 --> 0:16:10.920 of them boys and girls. Yeah, but I was like 0:16:11.560 --> 0:16:14.640 nine or ten years old, and I was from Ohio, 0:16:14.680 --> 0:16:17.760 and I felt like the plates of the earth had 0:16:17.800 --> 0:16:18.280 just shifted. 0:16:18.320 --> 0:16:21.440 And they shouldn't have it, really, except that. 0:16:22.840 --> 0:16:25.640 They were so good that cast, and that show was 0:16:25.720 --> 0:16:31.120 so clearly about love. That show was so clearly about 0:16:31.760 --> 0:16:34.120 a dream. And I think, you know, obviously what I 0:16:34.160 --> 0:16:34.520 did for. 0:16:34.520 --> 0:16:38.600 Love is it's so. 0:16:37.840 --> 0:16:42.240 Because it just says everything and it applies to people 0:16:42.320 --> 0:16:44.640 in a broad range of industries it applies to, But 0:16:44.680 --> 0:16:49.760 there is something uniquely special about this desire to be 0:16:49.880 --> 0:16:57.480 on stage. And it's hard to articulate because it's not necessary, it's. 0:16:57.360 --> 0:17:00.800 Not even rational if you don't have. 0:17:00.800 --> 0:17:03.800 Yet the language, like why, Sarah, Jessica, why do you 0:17:03.840 --> 0:17:04.680 want to be on stage? 0:17:04.680 --> 0:17:07.040 You're eight or nine or ten. And I wasn't like 0:17:07.080 --> 0:17:07.920 a show biz kid. 0:17:07.920 --> 0:17:10.200 It wasn't like I was tap dancing for my parents 0:17:10.200 --> 0:17:13.760 and like putting on shows, put on shows, but that 0:17:13.920 --> 0:17:18.920 show Priscilla Lopez singing nothing and music in the Mirror. 0:17:19.400 --> 0:17:21.440 I was going to say, I saw the Jimmy Awards 0:17:21.480 --> 0:17:23.680 last night and one of the girls did Music in 0:17:23.720 --> 0:17:26.760 the Mirror and she, of course went to the finals. 0:17:26.960 --> 0:17:30.159 Because it's so winning, it is so sweeping, it is 0:17:30.200 --> 0:17:33.880 such a journey, and you're just you're taking away. I remember, 0:17:33.920 --> 0:17:39.159 I've told you Jane Krakowski did it on a monster. 0:17:39.440 --> 0:17:41.040 She is so talented. 0:17:41.080 --> 0:17:42.639 It's just crazy, fantastic. 0:17:43.000 --> 0:17:45.520 I remember even back in the remember I was a 0:17:45.560 --> 0:17:47.159 little watching over my aunt's shoulder. 0:17:47.280 --> 0:17:49.159 You ever watch have you ever pulled up on YouTube? 0:17:49.200 --> 0:17:50.920 Do you have any clips in the original production? 0:17:51.080 --> 0:17:53.960 Oh, of course, it's it's some there's some shaky bootlegs, right, and. 0:17:54.040 --> 0:17:56.200 I thank God for all the bitch money. 0:17:56.200 --> 0:17:57.800 You're like, but you camera down, there's someone up in 0:17:57.800 --> 0:17:59.800 the balcony, and you're like, why did all of us 0:17:59.840 --> 0:18:04.040 make such a fuss? 0:18:04.200 --> 0:18:06.680 I remember that song in the Mirror is such a 0:18:06.720 --> 0:18:10.480 winning song because and I think that probably what I 0:18:10.520 --> 0:18:12.200 can relate to and what you're saying, and I'm sure 0:18:12.240 --> 0:18:14.600 bowen Ken as well is it's like, You're right, what 0:18:14.760 --> 0:18:17.640 is the question that I'm trying to answer within myself 0:18:17.760 --> 0:18:21.320 that because I feel a certain emotion doing this, I 0:18:21.359 --> 0:18:25.200 think what I experience was I want to express myself 0:18:25.240 --> 0:18:26.400 like that, Yeah, do. 0:18:26.359 --> 0:18:27.840 You think that that's maybe what it is. 0:18:29.960 --> 0:18:31.840 I don't know if I understood that I wanted to 0:18:31.840 --> 0:18:35.480 express myself. I guess I wanted to care. What I understood, 0:18:35.480 --> 0:18:43.400 in the simplest terms, was this kind of unmatched necessity 0:18:43.560 --> 0:18:52.560 to care, to be completely devoted, to flay yourself and 0:18:52.680 --> 0:19:00.399 without any with total understanding of the very possible disappointment 0:19:00.480 --> 0:19:06.560 and heartbreak. But that without the attempt, without the like 0:19:06.640 --> 0:19:10.639 the exercise, like the real endeavor, then you would be 0:19:11.320 --> 0:19:14.879 at a deficit, like you would be worse off for 0:19:15.040 --> 0:19:18.480 not having been heartbroken than you would have been for 0:19:20.000 --> 0:19:21.520 a path more comment. 0:19:21.400 --> 0:19:23.240 What I did for love? I mean, it's all about 0:19:23.280 --> 0:19:25.600 putting yourself out there one hundred percent and saying this 0:19:25.800 --> 0:19:26.800 is what I'm offering. 0:19:26.840 --> 0:19:29.800 What I did for love is this is and the 0:19:29.840 --> 0:19:34.360 show are about. Not to get sort of collogy meta about. 0:19:34.200 --> 0:19:35.520 That's okay, I get it. 0:19:35.520 --> 0:19:37.960 It's about having a passion for a passion. It's about 0:19:38.000 --> 0:19:48.480 being passionate about passion. Were you watching a chorus Lane 0:19:48.640 --> 0:19:51.320 thinking in the context of how you had watched musicals 0:19:51.359 --> 0:19:55.000 before that moment, or was that just like completely like 0:19:56.040 --> 0:19:58.520 a first impression of what the form could be would 0:19:58.520 --> 0:20:01.159 be because it felt pretty It was very groundbreaking at 0:20:01.160 --> 0:20:01.440 the time. 0:20:01.680 --> 0:20:04.280 It was groundbreaking because it was so modern, and it 0:20:04.440 --> 0:20:08.159 was without a fourth wall, and it was a person 0:20:08.240 --> 0:20:11.120 in the house talking to the cast, and they were 0:20:11.200 --> 0:20:13.720 dressed like nobody had ever dressed, No one ever been 0:20:13.760 --> 0:20:17.400 costumed like that on Broadway. No one was wearing rehearsal 0:20:17.920 --> 0:20:23.080 yet where and and it was such a kind of 0:20:23.240 --> 0:20:26.439 candor about the language and the way they were talking, 0:20:26.520 --> 0:20:30.400 and it was like ribald and dirty. Sometimes there were 0:20:30.440 --> 0:20:34.480 inferences that were meant to be funny and sexual and 0:20:34.520 --> 0:20:40.560 there was homosexuality, and you know, Paul, I think, is 0:20:40.960 --> 0:20:43.920 you know, god, it would be amazing to play that part. 0:20:44.040 --> 0:20:48.520 Oh that's a beautiful you know that part, that story 0:20:48.600 --> 0:20:52.040