Speaker 1: Do you follow any other sports?
Speaker 2: Football? Probably probably the biggest.
Speaker 1: Who's your team?
Speaker 3: Green Bay Packer? I actually I worked the Super Bowl
Speaker 3: when they played Denver in San Diego on an event
Speaker 3: staff so I could go to the game. Oh shitbox
Speaker 3: at the time, but I was kipib but knowing who
Speaker 3: that was and I and then fast forward twenty ten,
Speaker 3: I was in a fieldbox and they asked me afterwards,
Speaker 3: you want to you want to come on the field.
Speaker 3: You're like, yeah, come on, yeah, yeah, of course I
Speaker 3: want to go on if I come on the field.
Speaker 3: And they just wanted my team now that just won
Speaker 3: the Super Bowl. And I got players asking me for
Speaker 3: a picture with their families after they just won the
Speaker 3: Super Bowl. So I just that was the first time
Speaker 3: I asked you went man came a long way in
Speaker 3: twelve years.
Speaker 1: That's like such an underdog, awesome story. Welcome to Games
Speaker 1: with Names. I'm Julian Edelman, They're Jack and Kyler, and
Speaker 1: we're on a mission to find the greatest game of
Speaker 1: all time or this the greatest fight of all time.
Speaker 1: And on today's episode, we are covering the UFC fifty
Speaker 1: two Couture versus Lddell two with Hall of Famer and
Speaker 1: one of the goats of the sport, the Iceman himself,
Speaker 1: Chuck Laddell, and we get into talking his legendary rivalry
Speaker 1: with Randy Couture.
Speaker 2: Great opponent.
Speaker 3: I mean, it's a really tough guy, really good dirty boxing,
Speaker 3: good wrestlings control.
Speaker 1: If Chuck could beat Mike Tyson in a street fight.
Speaker 2: See on one shot. After that, he always felt like
Speaker 2: I could. I could beat anybody.
Speaker 1: And how his entourage cameo came to be.
Speaker 2: I asked everybody I knew to get they can get
Speaker 2: me on the show. I just want to walk on
Speaker 2: the AID events.
Speaker 1: And then we hit the old chill line in this
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Speaker 3: It's in two years to make this rematch a reality,
Speaker 3: but it only took one round for the Iceman to finish.
Speaker 1: Shit.
Speaker 4: This is the Iceman comeing.
Speaker 1: I wanted I let you go first. Welcome to Games
Speaker 1: with Names. We have a very special guest. We have
Speaker 1: Chuck Liddell in the nuthouse to talk about the UFC
Speaker 1: fifty two match between Couture and Laddell two two at
Speaker 1: the height of what UFC was gonna become. This was
Speaker 1: like the This was the you know when you're starting
Speaker 1: a fire or your coals and you throw that goddamn
Speaker 1: lighter fluid on there. That's what this was for the UFC.
Speaker 1: Chuck Welcome to the nuthouse. In one sentence, why'd you
Speaker 1: pick this fight?
Speaker 3: I wanted revenge and I wanted the title. My manager
Speaker 3: at the time quick over me insisting on taking this
Speaker 3: to doing the show to get the chant title.
Speaker 2: I get another.
Speaker 3: Title shot because I'd lost the first time and if
Speaker 3: I ran it and my there was an argument between
Speaker 3: me and he wanted more money on this.
Speaker 2: I said, I don't care.
Speaker 3: I want the title and if I don't, if I
Speaker 3: do the show, I get the title. They're trying to
Speaker 3: add two fights at the end of my deal or whatever.
Speaker 3: So it was for me to do it because I
Speaker 3: would have been it would have this fight would have
Speaker 3: been the last fight on my deale. But yeah, it
Speaker 3: was like, I wanted to be the world champ, only
Speaker 3: the best in the world.
Speaker 1: You want to be the title, Is this the greatest
Speaker 1: fight of all time?
Speaker 2: That I don't know.
Speaker 1: We ask every guest. That's just one of the things.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 3: But when people ask me all the time, they asked me,
Speaker 3: what's your favorite fight of all time? And if I
Speaker 3: could have put a lot of great fights out there,
Speaker 3: and a lot of fights again the audible mention, but
Speaker 3: if I had to pick.
Speaker 1: One, this is it because it was the first time
Speaker 1: you got to experience that, that title.
Speaker 3: And I did it the way I like to do it,
Speaker 3: clean knockout, and I did how we planned it.
Speaker 1: We had everything worked perfect, clean knockout. We'll jump into it.
Speaker 1: That's freaking awesome. What are you up to these days?
Speaker 2: Raising my kids?
Speaker 1: Uh?
Speaker 3: Doing I do some uh you know, Colon line, King
Speaker 3: of Violence doing uh, doing those alcohols reaction videos.
Speaker 2: Those are kind of fun.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: It was just kind of having fun with it, you know,
Speaker 2: doing different things.
Speaker 3: I do some movies, some TV, do some stuff, commentating,
Speaker 3: some here and there, just whatever. Yeah, I mean, kind
Speaker 3: of trying to have fun and enjoy my retirement.
Speaker 1: Enjoying retirement. It's never really retirement though you're transitioning. It's
Speaker 1: always like transitioning to other ship.
Speaker 3: You can't not someone that's driven as much as athletes are.
Speaker 3: It's it's you're it's a you know, you retire at
Speaker 3: a young age for you know, and you want to
Speaker 3: you want to do something you know you can't. You
Speaker 3: sitting around being done last for a very short amount
Speaker 3: of time, and the brain just starts going, what am I?
Speaker 2: What am I doing? Why am I? You need something
Speaker 2: to drive you.
Speaker 1: So you need something to stimulate, especially with athletes, like
Speaker 1: for me my first year out, I was it was tough.
Speaker 1: You know, you experience everything, you had, everything scared jeweled
Speaker 1: out since you were fucking eight years old, you've been
Speaker 1: you had a team, you were a part of, you
Speaker 1: had something you you were, you were, you were going for.
Speaker 2: You always working.
Speaker 3: There was always that and for me, like I'm a
Speaker 3: I'm a maniac, you know, I always was. So there's
Speaker 3: always that something to draw me back, like I still
Speaker 3: have this goal. I'm gonna be world champ. I want
Speaker 3: to be the best in the world. I want to
Speaker 3: do these things. So that's always there guiding me, like
Speaker 3: keeping me under, reeling me back here because I just say,
Speaker 3: oh yeah, I take a bunch of time off after
Speaker 3: five I never took a bunch of time. I have
Speaker 3: a week off, maybe week and a half, and then
Speaker 3: we're just me. Being off was like being back in
Speaker 3: the gym and me not being the focus, just working
Speaker 3: with my guys or someone else has a fight coming up,
Speaker 3: I'm working on them.
Speaker 1: But I was always training, always training.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm always getting ready for something.
Speaker 1: Now you said, maniac, you're a maniac. I I I
Speaker 1: you know, from the outside looking in, that's what it
Speaker 1: looks like. How did this maniac develop? Like tell us
Speaker 1: about a young Chuck Liddell and Santa Barbara, But tell
Speaker 1: us about young Chuck Liddell Santa Barbara were the maniac
Speaker 1: that didn't have a dad, that was raised by his
Speaker 1: grandfather and his mother and his grandma. Like tell us
Speaker 1: about young Chuck Liddell and how this maniac became?
Speaker 3: You know, honestly, I just really like fighting. I liked
Speaker 3: I liked martial arts. I liked I started watching Coachoo
Speaker 3: heroes young, and I begged my mom and let me.
Speaker 3: I was trying to learn how to books for a
Speaker 3: while and trying to beg my mom and let me
Speaker 3: start doing doing karate and started learning to martial arts
Speaker 3: and she finally let me do it and I started,
Speaker 3: and you know, I just picked on a little bit
Speaker 3: when I was young and learned to was told not
Speaker 3: to fight, so but I did so I didn't. And
Speaker 3: the principal actually called my mom and said, like, you know,
Speaker 3: these kids are beating him up every day, like you know,
Speaker 3: and he I asked him why he didn't defend himself
Speaker 3: and he said, you said he can't.
Speaker 2: You're not He's not out to fight, so he wouldn't,
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 3: So they're like and they were actually taking my lunch
Speaker 3: money and for you know, I wouldn't give it to them,
Speaker 3: so they'd have to take it. Until I kind of
Speaker 3: looked back at that, it's kind of, hey, you're gonna
Speaker 3: take it. We're gonna take it, but I can't fight
Speaker 3: you back. Yeah, And then my mom said, you know,
Speaker 3: you can't start a fight, but you can go ahead
Speaker 3: and finish it. My grandpa started working with me on fighting.
Speaker 3: And grandpa's a little nuts but you know, from Brooklyn
Speaker 3: and grew up tough, and you know, he started I mean,
Speaker 3: he showed me how to knife fight and got like like, okay,
Speaker 3: I'm a little young for that, but all right, but yeah,
Speaker 3: I don't know, but uh, you taught me how to fight,
Speaker 3: and I like fighting, and I just like fighting a lot,
Speaker 3: and going up through high school, I fought a lot.
Speaker 2: And he'll be surprised of me. You know.
Speaker 3: See, guys, the guys are fighting. You'll see that that
Speaker 3: don't that didn't get fights growing up. You know that
Speaker 3: that weren't. That wasn't their thing. Yeah, but I fought
Speaker 3: a lot, but usually I always said it. I never
Speaker 3: I never start a fight. I never let you out
Speaker 3: of it.
Speaker 2: Really easy either.
Speaker 3: I figured that about twenty one twenty two. You got
Speaker 3: to give guys out. I'm not gonna let you do
Speaker 3: something I want you to do. But you know, but
Speaker 3: back then I'd be like, hey, man, hey, you don't
Speaker 3: want to fight you, but but I will.
Speaker 2: Well, well, I got no problem with you. Was you
Speaker 2: I gotta do?
Speaker 3: Now?
Speaker 2: You were gonna beat him up? Right? He doesn't want
Speaker 2: to fight, but I'll fight you. Why did you fight me?
Speaker 2: Make it?
Speaker 3: Either put their table, tain legs or throw a punch?
Speaker 3: So he said a lot, did a lot of that,
Speaker 3: did a lot of fighting growing up.
Speaker 1: Now I was I was reading about you, and I
Speaker 1: was doing all our research. I was I was infatuated
Speaker 1: with Your relationship with your grandpa reminded me a lot
Speaker 1: of your upbringing reminded me a lot of my dad.
Speaker 1: My dad didn't have his pop. He was with his
Speaker 1: mom only. He didn't have grandpa around, but he had
Speaker 1: an older brother. I was kind of like that, so
Speaker 1: had that Like, what role did your grandpa play in
Speaker 1: all of this?
Speaker 2: Well?
Speaker 3: A lot of it, I think, man, I keep thinking, right,
Speaker 3: how did he get me to feel the way he
Speaker 3: made me feel? Like? One thing I wasn't like like,
Speaker 3: my grandpa's always proud of me. Like, if if you
Speaker 3: give you a hundred, I don't care what you're doing.
Speaker 3: You give it a one hundred percent, you lose. No one
Speaker 3: can ask more from him. You know, I'm proud he's
Speaker 3: proud of you. You know, you out there win, lose draw.
Speaker 3: As long as you go out there and bust your ass,
Speaker 3: he doesn't care you ot to dog it.
Speaker 2: He's gonna be mad. Growing up with my grandmother.
Speaker 3: You know, there's one thing I other things I was
Speaker 3: never afraid of him, man, in my life never happened.
Speaker 3: People always ask me that, what worry if you can
Speaker 3: you're walking to a bar and trying to peer out
Speaker 3: which guys you might not why I don't care. You know,
Speaker 3: you commit a fighting of fans, we're fighting. You do
Speaker 3: something I'm not gonna allow you to do. I don't
Speaker 3: want you to do. I'm going to stop.
Speaker 2: You or I'm not.
Speaker 3: And you know, I just never cared, like I've never
Speaker 3: never worried about anybody like that. And and it was
Speaker 3: something but the way my grandpa brought me, you know,
Speaker 3: a lot of times it was just through stories and
Speaker 3: telling stories and telling a story. At one time he
Speaker 3: rolled up in a bar, up to a bar fight,
Speaker 3: and it was there late his buddy all beat up.
Speaker 3: The cops showed up and arrested him, and they said, said,
Speaker 3: I said to him, oh, well, we figured you must
Speaker 3: have been on the other side because you don't have
Speaker 3: a mark on you. So I'm like, I'm like, to me,
Speaker 3: that's what that meant, you know, Like he was reminded
Speaker 3: me and.
Speaker 2: My Grandma's guy.
Speaker 3: He always believed in me, always thought I thought I
Speaker 3: could do anything, you know, and that confidence I you know,
Speaker 3: I die for him, you know, trying to trying to
Speaker 3: prove I can do what he said, what he thinks
Speaker 3: I can do, you know, so, you know, but having
Speaker 3: that confidence and that being comfortable with I like with
Speaker 3: the consequences, Like I don't care, like you gotta understand,
Speaker 3: Like if we decided to fight in the street, I
Speaker 3: don't care what happens to me, and I don't care
Speaker 3: what happens to you. That's just it's not. I don't
Speaker 3: I don't want to. I'm not a violent person. I
Speaker 3: don't like to attack me. I don't want to find anybody.
Speaker 3: But if you, if you want to fight, I mean
Speaker 3: I like fighting. I like fighting as a sport, like
Speaker 3: trying to show you I better than you. You want to,
Speaker 3: you want to, Hey, can we who's better? Let's go,
Speaker 3: Let's go and do it.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 2: I I love doing that. But I don't want to
Speaker 2: hurt anybody.
Speaker 3: And that's not something I like. It's not And if
Speaker 3: I decide that, I don't understand. If I decided to
Speaker 3: throw a punch at you then attack you, I don't
Speaker 3: You've done something pretty bad if you're attacking my family,
Speaker 3: my friends, my kids, you know, somebody, somebody I really
Speaker 3: care about war and usually not me, because I mean,
Speaker 3: if I can just defend myself pretty.
Speaker 1: Well, Yeah, so no one's fucking with you. I'll tell
Speaker 1: you that. I love that. I love that. Your grandpa
Speaker 1: he was basically in your corner. He was he was
Speaker 1: he was a guy that pushed you.
Speaker 2: Oh, I would joke about that.
Speaker 3: I someone because I did my podcast and he asked me,
Speaker 3: like I told the story.
Speaker 2: My grandpa said, he's a I was nineteen years old. Man,
Speaker 2: you could beat that my tyson.
Speaker 4: Guy.
Speaker 3: That was when Tyson on the top of the world.
Speaker 3: You could beat that my tyson. I have a gaps.
Speaker 3: But you know, I think it's the funny thing was
Speaker 3: now nowadays it's it's a funny thing like who'd wanted
Speaker 3: a street fight? Miya Tyson's and and I was, he's
Speaker 3: one of the guys. I say, wow, he's got he's
Speaker 3: got one shot on the land. Yeah, as we're closing
Speaker 3: the distance, he on one shot after that, if I
Speaker 3: get hold on, it's over. But I don't want but
Speaker 3: if he catches that shot, and now for boxing, I
Speaker 3: don't I'm not.
Speaker 2: I'm in a little trouble.
Speaker 1: But he put that in your head and he let
Speaker 1: you manifest that ship.
Speaker 2: He always felt like I could I could beat anybody.
Speaker 1: Now do you do you what's your sports fandom. Do
Speaker 1: you follow any other sports?
Speaker 2: Football? Probably the probably the biggest.
Speaker 1: Who's your team?
Speaker 2: Green Bay Packers?
Speaker 1: By the Packers, That's.
Speaker 2: Always the funny question.
Speaker 3: But it came down I was, I want to bet
Speaker 3: with my grandfather. Uh, he's he's been on the RAMS,
Speaker 3: and the Green Bay was not supposed to win.
Speaker 2: I won a game against my grandfather.
Speaker 3: And then right after that, guy, this guy, Roger mcnami
Speaker 3: was giving out hatstar our football team and said what's
Speaker 3: your favorite football team? And I didn't have one, really O.
Speaker 3: I was like, you know, Packers, Green Bay, you know,
Speaker 3: And and I stuck with it, and I stayed there.
Speaker 3: And that was when the Bears were big. I graduated
Speaker 3: eighty eight. Yeah, and the big uh you know, frigerator, refrigerator.
Speaker 1: Perry and all Niners were awesome.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I know I was a Green Bay man.
Speaker 3: I stuck it, stuck it out, I actually.
Speaker 2: And I was. I tell the story that now. I worked.
Speaker 3: I worked the Super Bowl when they when they when
Speaker 3: they played Denver in San Diego on an event event staff,
Speaker 3: so I.
Speaker 2: Could go to the game. Oh ship box at the time,
Speaker 2: but I was kick by but knowing who that was,
Speaker 2: and I was my buddy.
Speaker 3: My buddy was doing the event staff, and he's like,
Speaker 3: you want to work or want to put you on
Speaker 3: the fifty yard line in the stands, but your fifth
Speaker 3: yard line front row and.
Speaker 2: You can watch Super Bowl. So I go. I went
Speaker 2: to the Super.
Speaker 3: Bowl and watch the lose, and then and I and
Speaker 3: then fast forward twenty ten. I was in a field
Speaker 3: box and they asked me afterwards, you want to you
Speaker 3: want to come on the field. You're like, yeah, Parashitt
Speaker 3: in the woods, come on, yeah, yeah, yeah, of course
Speaker 3: I go on if I come on the field. And
Speaker 3: they just wanted my team now that just won the
Speaker 3: Super Bowl. And I got players asking me for a
Speaker 3: picture with their families after they just won the Super Bowl.
Speaker 3: So I just that was the first time I asked
Speaker 3: you what man came a long way in twelve years?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it was ninety eight to look at
Speaker 1: that he was working the game as security of his
Speaker 1: favorite team, the Green Bay Packers. To the next time
Speaker 1: they get up in there with Aaron Rodgers, I think
Speaker 1: gate rod asked him for a pick. He said, I
Speaker 1: want Chuck Leadell picture for the Super Bowl. That's fucking
Speaker 1: that's like such an underdog, awesome story. Any other sports.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll watch just about anything. Yeah, I like all
Speaker 2: the fighting sports.
Speaker 1: Are you watching fighting now?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Well I love fighting. I still love boxing, kickboxing.
Speaker 1: And who is the fighter right now that you're like
Speaker 1: that dude a badass motherfucker.
Speaker 3: Alex where he's a beast. Yeah, I love watching him fight.
Speaker 3: I think I got robbed his last fight. But yeah,
Speaker 3: I mean you can't the way they I don't know
Speaker 3: who was watching that fight they got one of those
Speaker 3: judges had four rounds to one. I don't know what
Speaker 3: fight he was watching, but yeah, yeah, you know that
Speaker 3: just he got zero takedown. Dude, Like, how do you
Speaker 3: get that control against the cage for a minute in
Speaker 3: the last round? How do you give him the last round?
Speaker 3: I don't know, it just it was it was pretty bad.
Speaker 3: Yeah did you.
Speaker 2: Haven't rewatched it yet, but in person, that just it
Speaker 2: looks like it looked terrible.
Speaker 1: It looked bad, bad decision. That's why there's so much
Speaker 1: objectiveness in these sports. I don't there's so much great
Speaker 1: in like boxing, fighting, fucking Russian judges and Olympics.
Speaker 2: I think fighting.
Speaker 3: A big problem with that too, is like it's harder
Speaker 3: at judge wrestling if you've never wrestled, yeah, jiu jitsu.
Speaker 3: We've never done jiu jitsu. You know, it's just there
Speaker 3: are hard things to to really quantify. What's what's what's
Speaker 3: real control, what's just holding on to a guy? Like
Speaker 3: I got I can watch and watch the guy. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I gots just hold the guy. He's not really trying
Speaker 3: to do anything. He's just trying to He's killing time
Speaker 3: right there, just just relaxing and killing time. But he's
Speaker 3: doing anything much now. Yeah, so you get a little
Speaker 3: slight ass for that. But like you know, or like
Speaker 3: an attempted submission, what an attempt was if it's close, okay,
Speaker 3: but a guy just trying one, that doesn't count.
Speaker 2: What to that count? For people trying to get for
Speaker 2: a while, they're they're trying to make that count.
Speaker 3: Like for just it's like me throwing a punch and
Speaker 3: you give me credit for it, just gonna through it,
Speaker 3: you get close to landing, but it actually it points for.
Speaker 1: Yeah, now you wrestled in high school.
Speaker 2: That's a high school in college and.
Speaker 1: You fell in love with how how did you fall
Speaker 1: in love with wrestling?
Speaker 3: I just I just like actually was forced to do
Speaker 3: it by my football coach karate before I did kate,
Speaker 3: before I started when I was twelve, was fourteen, my
Speaker 3: sophomore year in high school. Our basically our football coach said,
Speaker 3: are you doing anything else? Are you playing basketball or
Speaker 3: anything in the winter sport? No, you're wrestling.
Speaker 1: It because you got to think about this, like Chuck
Speaker 1: is legit probably like this generation of UFC was like
Speaker 1: the first like blood sport type fighter that like, you
Speaker 1: put any kind of fighter in a ring and we
Speaker 1: see who's the best one coming out, And it's cool
Speaker 1: to see how it was developed because look, he did
Speaker 1: karate of twelve twelve to whatever, and then he started
Speaker 1: doing wrestling until he's naturally getting all these fucking skills.
Speaker 3: And here's the thing back then, that was one of
Speaker 3: the bantages I had in the beginning, because when I
Speaker 3: came into the sport, everybody was coming from one discipline.
Speaker 2: And there's basically three disciplines.
Speaker 3: Right, there's striking different all the different rating, there's submissions
Speaker 3: for on the ground, and then' there's wrestling with the
Speaker 3: transition between standing and ground and and everybody's had one
Speaker 3: and was trying to learn the other two. I had
Speaker 3: the advantage of coming in and knowing two and being
Speaker 3: pretty good at.
Speaker 2: Two and and having to learn one.
Speaker 3: And like I was, I mean I was a fifty
Speaker 3: to fifty wrestler in college.
Speaker 2: I mean I bought random and he could.
Speaker 3: He didn't take me down, but he if we wrestled
Speaker 3: a straight wrestling match, he was national champion year I
Speaker 3: was a year when I was fifty. You know, had
Speaker 3: a fifty five hundred records. Yeah, you know, so, I
Speaker 3: mean he would have taken me to any but you
Speaker 3: know I had he had to give me a littlet
Speaker 3: of extra distance because I mean I hit hard, I
Speaker 3: had throw punches when you get close, and and I was,
Speaker 3: but I was able to defend his takedown and knock
Speaker 3: him out.
Speaker 2: And if so, it's one of those things.
Speaker 3: It's just like you know, me coming in with all,
Speaker 3: like coming in with two and only after a concentrated
Speaker 3: learning one, and then I made made the conscious effort
Speaker 3: to learn just a small like to concentrate mostly on
Speaker 3: a smaller portion of that thing. I wasn't because I
Speaker 3: wasn't gonna be slick enough to catch guys at the
Speaker 3: level I was started. I started fighting in the UFC,
Speaker 3: so I wouldn't be slick enough to catch people at
Speaker 3: that level.
Speaker 2: I'm not going to take me too long to learn
Speaker 2: to be that good.
Speaker 3: So I just worked on getting out and standing up
Speaker 3: from that position.
Speaker 2: And like I you know, like I do different different things.
Speaker 3: Like Buddy showed me how to roll to a knee bar,
Speaker 3: and I figured out, if I get halfway through roll
Speaker 3: to that neebar and they're defending the kneebar, I just
Speaker 3: pulled my leg out and stand up and it worked
Speaker 3: really great. So I would I would catch guys my
Speaker 3: surprise a lot back then.
Speaker 1: So yeah, now did you see any of your rest
Speaker 1: Like what position you playing football? Were you a linebacker?
Speaker 1: I mean you got it. He gotta be a linebacker.
Speaker 1: So did you do you think you got any of
Speaker 1: your striking or your fucking explosiveness from learning how to tackle?
Speaker 3: Everything played into it. Yeah, and I like to hit
Speaker 3: that one of my things.
Speaker 1: But I played with Steve Neil and he he didn't
Speaker 1: play football in college. You have you heard Steve Neil
Speaker 1: was a badass, motherfucking wrestler, and yeah, he played Misfield. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he Bakersfield. He's a big Bakersfield guy. And he didn't
Speaker 1: know it. He didn't play any football.
Speaker 3: He came out, I would to tell poll, So, yeah,
Speaker 3: that's we.
Speaker 2: Run all that time.
Speaker 3: We packed that but yeah, uh we were packed ten
Speaker 3: and technically for wrestling.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and he's the only reason they still have wrestling
Speaker 1: because he still feeds the fucking program bro Like but like,
Speaker 1: it's just so crazy because he was one of the
Speaker 1: most athletic guys I've ever seen on the field.
Speaker 2: Like he's one of those heavyweight wrestlers that wrestled like
Speaker 2: a one eighteen founder exactly.
Speaker 3: It's normally a little bit a little bit slower, different,
Speaker 3: different style of wrestling. You know, you get bigger, styles
Speaker 3: get different, right, he was wrestling at he does the
Speaker 3: heavyweight I could think a one ag bounder.
Speaker 1: And that's how he got on the linebackers. He got
Speaker 1: on linebackers at the second level. Really good lineman. Getting
Speaker 1: to the second level is the tough part is getting
Speaker 1: to those fast fucking linebackers, you know, battling with those
Speaker 1: big boys they could do that, so they got to
Speaker 1: bounce off that guy and get to that second level
Speaker 1: and try to catch a fast guy. And Steve was
Speaker 1: so fucking good at that. It's probably because of all
Speaker 1: the rest.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, wrestling transfer that way really well because that
Speaker 3: is the body on body contact. That's why, like for me,
Speaker 3: like as a coach, when I was doing it, and
Speaker 3: you get guys from different different things, I always said,
Speaker 3: give me an All American wrestler, you know, because I
Speaker 3: got a guy that I know, he's mentally tough. I
Speaker 3: know he knows how to cut weight and make weight,
Speaker 3: and he's got skills that I'm never gonna be able
Speaker 3: to teach guys.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't have time. You could.
Speaker 3: I could teach a striker to wrestle and to wrestle
Speaker 3: for revme, but you're never gonna have the time to
Speaker 3: teach them some of the natural stuff that they the
Speaker 3: reps that they're gonna get, those reps that they got
Speaker 3: growing up.
Speaker 2: And they those.
Speaker 3: Guys in there there the hips and that, different different
Speaker 3: things that they do for wrestling, so and and that,
Speaker 3: and that's an element that makes it.
Speaker 2: I can, you know, I can teach those guys. Most
Speaker 2: of those guys, my wrestlers.
Speaker 3: That come in, I teach them in six to six
Speaker 3: months a year to stay at any submissions that most
Speaker 3: got the average most fighters are going to run into
Speaker 3: going to put them in and then just because they
Speaker 3: because they can they can stay on top. Yeah, and
Speaker 3: they can stay on top. It's there, and they're they're
Speaker 3: tough up there.
Speaker 1: So you you think that the wrestling base is always
Speaker 1: the best space to start.
Speaker 2: It's the easiest base.
Speaker 1: It's like foundation. Actually it's a foundation.
Speaker 3: And it's and it's harder to learn when you're older, Yeah,
Speaker 3: because because the reps, it takes it and wrestling is
Speaker 3: hard to take down.
Speaker 2: That's hard on your body.
Speaker 1: And like the I bet like the hip mobility and
Speaker 1: stuff being in those awkward positions like I'm a sprinter,
Speaker 1: so I have no fucking hit move like I can't
Speaker 1: do any of that. But watching like wrestlers and you
Speaker 1: guys getting in those fucking things, like when you do
Speaker 1: that at a younger age, the more muscle you put on,
Speaker 1: the older you get, it probably transis it's used to it,
Speaker 1: You're us to it. Yeah, that's fucking crazy. When's the
Speaker 1: first time you realized you had heavy hands?
Speaker 3: I knew from from finding the street and stuff, like
Speaker 3: I can knock people out. I knocked a lot of
Speaker 3: people out growing up, and you know, just knowing that
Speaker 3: I could that one bunch knockout was not you know,
Speaker 3: it took me a minute to find it. So John
Speaker 3: really helped me with that. Ackleman helped me refine my
Speaker 3: s like and to get my timing down a little
Speaker 3: more and little I always had that.
Speaker 2: Pop on my elbows and stuff.
Speaker 3: But just find being able to land those punches and
Speaker 3: land those heavy punches.
Speaker 2: It was a lot from John.
Speaker 1: Yeah, do you remember the first time you got punched
Speaker 1: in the face?
Speaker 2: No, that white too long.
Speaker 1: I say the same thing I say say I don't
Speaker 1: remember my first hit at all. It sparked something.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I love finding guys that don't like getting it. Yeah,
Speaker 3: because you got those guys. No, but no, no one
Speaker 3: really likes getting it. Okay that that I say you
Speaker 3: don't like it. What I mean by I don't like
Speaker 3: getting it is that they react overreact to maybe getting hit.
Speaker 3: So when you start, it's way too easy for a
Speaker 3: good striker. It's way too easy for you to side
Speaker 3: a guy out. Brock Lesser watching him like he's so
Speaker 3: afraid to get hit, and now that being sad, that
Speaker 3: guy's all hard like Shane Carman fight when he got
Speaker 3: when he got dropped him surviving and just keep fighting
Speaker 3: and going and trying to win after getting dropped like that.
Speaker 3: That's that's all hard, that's hard. But he still had
Speaker 3: that fear of getting hit like it's a it's a
Speaker 3: weird thing to get used to it. Don't try. Don't
Speaker 3: convert from wrestling. That's the other thing I can't give you.
Speaker 2: I can't.
Speaker 3: I'm not willing to teach you to be mentally tough
Speaker 3: if you come to me to fight and I and
Speaker 3: I'm not able to give you a chance.
Speaker 1: When did you know you wanted to make fighting a career?
Speaker 2: Oh, it was just kind of I kind of just
Speaker 2: kept going.
Speaker 3: I just graduated a great rite call I was kickbatching,
Speaker 3: to keep continuing from just to keep competing while I was.
Speaker 1: While I was doing it, when did a kickboxing come?
Speaker 3: So we went to college, finish wrestling in ninety three,
Speaker 3: started kickboxing, just kind of keep competing while I was
Speaker 3: while I was, uh finished up school. I finished school
Speaker 3: in ninety five. But then I was an accounting major and
Speaker 3: I was, you know, kind of working in the bar
Speaker 3: fighting train, training every day fighting. You know, Ah, maybe
Speaker 3: I'm gonna try this fighting thing for a little while now.
Speaker 1: There what was where could you fight. At that time
Speaker 1: when you're thinking of this, was UFC was coming around.
Speaker 1: UFC came in ninety three three, right, so you're ninety
Speaker 1: five box, but it's still new.
Speaker 3: It's new, and it wasn't I wasn't even thinking about
Speaker 3: actually the runs on. Neil by that time was already
Speaker 3: telling me, I should you do UFC? And I'm like,
Speaker 3: I don't know. I don't know how to get inn
Speaker 3: Like anybody like they talk about talk about it, but
Speaker 3: no one knew how to get into it.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I didn't know how to get into it back then.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's no Internet, there's no social media, there's no
Speaker 3: there's no easy way to find out.
Speaker 1: Where to go to get there's no information.
Speaker 3: I was actually got to the point in ninety seven
Speaker 3: where I was gonna about right to like say, you
Speaker 3: know what, I gotta my grandma's give me a hard time.
Speaker 2: I got to really go get a real job.
Speaker 3: I was talking to John about it, and I was like,
Speaker 3: you know, I don't I don't know if we're gonna
Speaker 3: go overseas and fight and kick kickboxing. You had to
Speaker 3: go overseas and make any money, and and I don't
Speaker 3: know if we're gonna get I don't know if it's
Speaker 3: gonna get there, and so I'm like maybe. And then someone, actually,
Speaker 3: this guy Nick one kick plongering in Vegas, asked me
Speaker 3: if I want to do a mixed fight on one
Speaker 3: of his shows, so open hand, palm strike like pancers,
Speaker 3: old school rules, and and I went out and I
Speaker 3: was like, okay, sure, why not, I'll do one more fight,
Speaker 3: you know, like before I go look for a real job.
Speaker 3: And I was laying it as much as I could,
Speaker 3: so when I went out there, and I went out
Speaker 3: there and went up, by the time I got there,
Speaker 3: it was you could only slap with this part of
Speaker 3: her hand where you could kick kick that, and then
Speaker 3: once you hit the ground it was no striking. But
Speaker 3: I'm like when I was finding a jiu jitsu guy,
Speaker 3: I guess and I'm like, okay, no problem. So I
Speaker 3: went out and I wound up kicking the guy in
Speaker 3: the head and knocking him out.
Speaker 2: And some guy asked me, right after something, you want
Speaker 2: fight in the UFC. I said, yeah, sure, let's try it.
Speaker 3: So they offered me an alternate spot in the tournament
Speaker 3: for one thousand dollars to go out, and the tournament
Speaker 3: was twenty five grand if you want it. But it
Speaker 3: was a thousand bucks to show up and fight one fight,
Speaker 3: and then you're the alternates of the tournament. So if
Speaker 3: we get in, and they said five out of last
Speaker 3: seven got in, so if I got in, there'd be
Speaker 3: either ten thousand or twenty thousand, I think twenty five or.
Speaker 2: Whatever, and so I okay, perfect.
Speaker 3: So I went and did that and I just kind
Speaker 3: of fell in love with doing it and I want
Speaker 3: up you know. That was that was in ninety eight
Speaker 3: UFC seventeen and uh, I won my fight, didn't get
Speaker 3: into didn't get into the tournament. I tried to talk
Speaker 3: Henderson out of fight in the second round, but because
Speaker 3: they asked me, what do you think you should do?
Speaker 3: His legs kind of beat up for that first fight,
Speaker 3: and I'm like, you know, the best thing would me
Speaker 3: is to hold off the next time. Maybe maybe you
Speaker 3: shaid like I think they don't know if they figured
Speaker 3: out that I was not giving advice, but I was
Speaker 3: starting to talk about it fighting that about because I
Speaker 3: wanted to fight.
Speaker 1: Hell yeah, now, John Heckelman, that's got to be one
Speaker 1: of your guys that like he kind of kind of
Speaker 1: like in that Grandpa role where he told you, Hey,
Speaker 1: he kind of like you can do this ship, you
Speaker 1: should do this ship, or he guided you.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, always there, He's always there. You know, he's still
Speaker 3: we're still friends. You know he's still we're still training.
Speaker 3: Still come up and train with him. Yeah, he's my
Speaker 3: he was my coach the whole time, and he really helped.
Speaker 3: Like he wasn't traveling, wasn't working with me as much
Speaker 3: in the right in the beginning, and tend a man,
Speaker 3: I need your help strike because we was doing the
Speaker 3: mixed ma front stuff. He's like, didn't know if he
Speaker 3: fit in that much. I need you, I need you
Speaker 3: to come back. I'm not knocking guys out exactly, see
Speaker 3: what see what's off because like he was one of
Speaker 3: the guys I like from me. I would not dropping
Speaker 3: guys with my body shot, my little shot. You know,
Speaker 3: I'd be missing and he'd be like, oh change that
Speaker 3: angle though, you just ang a little more up. Okay,
Speaker 3: Oh thanks John, drop one guy's barn and okay.
Speaker 1: That he was your magi. Yeah, he was your mister miagi.
Speaker 2: Yeah for sure.
Speaker 1: When's the first time you meet Dana White, don't know.
Speaker 2: Exactly I I met him.
Speaker 3: Uh, I was trained and trained with Tito a little bit,
Speaker 3: and it's when we trained trained the other he was
Speaker 3: managing Tino, and he actually told Dan, hey, man, he
Speaker 3: managed you like him all watch this guy. You know
Speaker 3: guys see Chuck, because I used to beat Tito up
Speaker 3: all the time and train it. Yeah, like I could
Speaker 3: beat him with wrestling. I could beat it at dour
Speaker 3: styles match well for him. Yeah, I beat him in
Speaker 3: a straight wrestling. I beat him in a ju match.
Speaker 3: I mean, he's probably better at submitting people than I was,
Speaker 3: but I still I don't score him. And it's match
Speaker 3: meet him. Every time when he wrestled, I beat him,
Speaker 3: and every time we struck, I beat him like I
Speaker 3: dropped on body a bunch of times.
Speaker 1: And he's the face of the lead.
Speaker 2: He wasn't.
Speaker 3: He wasn't the face of that, but he was when
Speaker 3: they because they hadn't taken it over yet, because it
Speaker 3: was our manager.
Speaker 1: So he's just your manager manager at that time. So
Speaker 1: you you meet him through Tito ish Uh, through Wayne Harriman,
Speaker 1: Wayne Harriman, and so then you start training with Tito,
Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden, Dana's like, who the
Speaker 1: fuck is this guy beating the shotut of my guy?
Speaker 3: And then uh so let me go. When did the
Speaker 3: did everything? They bought and they want to buy in
Speaker 3: the OC?
Speaker 1: You know, how was he as a manager great?
Speaker 3: And he was the first guy like going out and
Speaker 3: try to get other things like he was trying to
Speaker 3: get us in like not just like black Belt magazine
Speaker 3: or whatever, starting to get his fitness magazines or get
Speaker 3: different He was trying to get better exposure, more stuff.
Speaker 1: Yeah he was. He was getting into different markets.
Speaker 2: Yeah he was.
Speaker 3: He was really And then when he you know, I think,
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't like to speak for him, but
Speaker 3: I think they went they they The way I understood
Speaker 3: it back then was they were he was looking at
Speaker 3: him and then were talking about doing a boxing promotion
Speaker 3: and they decided, you know, hey, why don't we just
Speaker 3: do why don't we do this that's not being run right,
Speaker 3: Let's do it the right way. And so they got
Speaker 3: it and then they suck a bunch of money to
Speaker 3: do it and then it took off.
Speaker 1: So did the relationship change once he became like pretty
Speaker 1: much the president.
Speaker 3: Well, when they when they bought the company, he had
Speaker 3: to at least and actually he had by his old
Speaker 3: lawyer actually who did my legal stuff for during it
Speaker 3: as his manager. But he became my manager and then
Speaker 3: he actually quit over me taking the Ultimate Fighter deal
Speaker 3: because you're old manager. Oh man, imagine a quick quick
Speaker 3: quit because over that, because he's not because he thought
Speaker 3: I wasn't. I wasn't trusting him with the stop. I mean,
Speaker 3: I get it, but it was like I said, no,
Speaker 3: we got to do this. I want that title. Yeah,
Speaker 3: it's guaranteed me as the title shot, and it's it's
Speaker 3: gonna be on free TV.
Speaker 2: We have to we have to do this.
Speaker 1: Yeah, what's Dana White mean to the UFC?
Speaker 2: We wouldn't be here today.
Speaker 3: Like what I tell people all the time, people whatever
Speaker 3: they want to say about him about money and all
Speaker 3: that stuff. When when I came into the sport, when
Speaker 3: I loved it and I moved it, I mean a
Speaker 3: home run was making under fifty grand a year. By
Speaker 3: the end of my career, like I was making up
Speaker 3: over one hundred fifty of my shorts, you know. I mean,
Speaker 3: I mean they've gone away from that now too, but
Speaker 3: but I got I was mad. I was making more
Speaker 3: than that in the sponsorship, you know, And and not
Speaker 3: that and by the way that home run was making,
Speaker 3: it was fighting three times that year to make that
Speaker 3: one fifty. That's like that was you were the top guys.
Speaker 3: We wouldn't have advance as far. We wouldn't be here
Speaker 3: if it wasn't for them. I mean, I think it
Speaker 3: would have eventually got here without those fighter or not
Speaker 3: without all the things that they did.
Speaker 2: To promote the sport.
Speaker 3: And I think we wouldn't We would have gotten here
Speaker 3: because it's a great sport, but I think we would
Speaker 3: we would still be fighting to get here.
Speaker 2: We wouldn't be here yet, you know. It's it's it's
Speaker 2: one of those things.
Speaker 3: It's like I I remember we were we went around,
Speaker 3: we were doing all these things, just trying to get
Speaker 3: We're going to Boston Boston Globe asking pegging them to
Speaker 3: put us in the leisure section, you know, not they
Speaker 3: they weren't even covering us in the sports sections, and
Speaker 3: they was just to put us anywhere. I thought it
Speaker 3: was funny when they called me few years later and
Speaker 3: asked me for where I liked to vacation for their
Speaker 3: leisure section. After We've been there trying to trying to
Speaker 3: break in it, just to just get coverage. But we
Speaker 3: and that was one of the things for me that
Speaker 3: actually I think helped me cross over a little more
Speaker 3: with with fans and stuff like that. We were doing
Speaker 3: all this tuff man, you did a good job of
Speaker 3: marketing yourself. No, I wasn't marketing me. I was trying
Speaker 3: to market our sport. I was trying to get dance
Speaker 3: through the stars. I did that because it's a different
Speaker 3: democratic and I wanted to see us. And there were
Speaker 3: not a bunch of Neanderthals, you know, because that's one
Speaker 3: of the things we're fighting in the beginning, was just
Speaker 3: a bunch of guys.
Speaker 2: That fell off a part stool and wanted to fight.
Speaker 2: Nothing else to do to do this.
Speaker 3: I'm like, you know, I had a college degree, I
Speaker 3: got gone to have an accountant if I wanted to. I
Speaker 3: didn't want to. I liked I like fighting, I like
Speaker 3: training doing martial arts. I like I like the sport.
Speaker 1: It's freaking Dana White Blue bitch up. Yeah, he blew
Speaker 1: the bitch.
Speaker 3: Up, But that that was he was always trying to
Speaker 3: promote it making And.
Speaker 1: Look where we're at now. We're at ten eleven, twelve
Speaker 1: b now, and I mean it's on ESPN's it's so
Speaker 1: crazy because during this whole time, especially UFC fifty two,
Speaker 1: when this match took place in two thousand and five,
Speaker 1: I mean, I was in high school. I remember like
Speaker 1: starting to learn about the UFC. My brother loved it.
Speaker 1: And now, like you go to a high school now
Speaker 1: everyone's talking about UFC on the clips on Instagram to
Speaker 1: this that, I mean, it's a major sport. Now, it's
Speaker 1: a fucking major I would call I would consider it
Speaker 1: a major. It's in the Big five.
Speaker 5: Now.
Speaker 1: They created themselves to be in over boxing. It's killing
Speaker 1: boxing right now. Really took advantage of COVID two. COVID
Speaker 1: was huge. It's fucking awesome. We got chuck La down here.
Speaker 1: We'll be right back after this quick break, Let's go
Speaker 1: back into a segment where we go back into time
Speaker 1: when the fight took place. This fight took place April sixteen,
Speaker 1: two thousand and five, when we go over pop culture
Speaker 1: and we just talk about what was going on. Number
Speaker 1: one movie, What is that?
Speaker 5: Amityville horror starring Ryan Reynolds and Philip Baker Hall. Michael
Speaker 5: Bay produced it. It was a remake of a nineteen
Speaker 5: seventy nine film adaptation from a book by Jay Arson.
Speaker 5: Budget nineteen million, gross, one hundred and seven point five.
Speaker 2: Did you see that? I actually never saw it.
Speaker 1: I never saw that one either, Chuck, it's scary. I
Speaker 1: was never a horror movie guy, me either.
Speaker 3: I just so one of those things that I don't
Speaker 3: They don't scare me usually, and usually it's like I
Speaker 3: remember one watching one Brad Penny told me to watch
Speaker 3: that's scared. I'm the things like, oh hey man, it's
Speaker 3: kind of creepy movie, and this guy's kidnapping.
Speaker 2: I was, and then this guy.
Speaker 3: Starts wrestling with the like the boogie man guy, like
Speaker 3: it's actually wrestling with him.
Speaker 2: Like, okay, that's over it. If I can survive that,
Speaker 2: I killed that guy.
Speaker 5: Chuck Liddell doesn't watch scary movies. Scary movies, watch Chuck Liddell.
Speaker 1: Exactly exactly. I watched The Exorcists when I was thirt
Speaker 1: thirteen years old. I slept with my parents for two
Speaker 1: weeks after that. I was fucking terrified. The Extorus just
Speaker 1: fucked me up. And Chucky. When I was young, I
Speaker 1: had an older brother used to do a bunch of fucking.
Speaker 1: He was seven years older, so he used to fuck
Speaker 1: with me, So I don't like scary movies either. Chuck,
Speaker 1: I'm with you, Candy Shop. We all knew that with
Speaker 1: fifty cent that was especially that was high school.
Speaker 5: Baby, this is senior year for you.
Speaker 1: This is like senior year. I think this is when
Speaker 1: Tom Cruise jumped on Oprah's couch.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Is this when he went scientology went kind of?
Speaker 5: I think he's always been scientilog.
Speaker 1: He went a little. He's still cool. I still watch
Speaker 1: all his movies. I'll support the shit out of YouTube
Speaker 1: came out in two thousand and five.
Speaker 5: The first video ever was posted on YouTube. It was
Speaker 5: titled Me at the Zoo, was uploaded by one of
Speaker 5: YouTube's co founders. It was a nineteen second video of
Speaker 5: him standing next to elephants at a zoo.
Speaker 1: Interesting and now we watch fucking like chickens take dumps,
Speaker 1: and over fucking a billion people will watch that because
Speaker 1: of that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it is crazy.
Speaker 1: It's fucking nuts. NBA champion San Antonio Spurs MVP Steve Nash,
Speaker 1: he was fucking dirty. NFL champions the Pats. This is
Speaker 1: when they took down Eagles.
Speaker 5: Yeah. This is the last of the four last.
Speaker 1: Of the first three Peyton Manning was the MVP. What
Speaker 1: was Chuck Ldell like in two thousand and five.
Speaker 2: Two thousand five, I was at the top of my
Speaker 2: game fighting. I was just loving it. It was awesome.
Speaker 2: We were, you know, having fun.
Speaker 3: It was really different though, Like I gotta say, like,
Speaker 3: so we did Ultimate Fighter, right, so we filmed it,
Speaker 3: oh four, then over four and then you know, I
Speaker 3: was walking around mall like right after it started airing,
Speaker 3: and like like the people coming up and be like, hey,
Speaker 3: good fight, Like hey, Like I used to be able
Speaker 3: to walk into a room and go, okay.
Speaker 2: That guy with the tap out shirt and that.
Speaker 3: Guy over there and that guy over there probably know
Speaker 3: who I am. And then all of a sudden, I
Speaker 3: got like, you know, Grandma's coming up. Hey, great fight there,
Speaker 3: and I'm like, how do you know what? What?
Speaker 6: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Like it was, it was all of a sudden.
Speaker 3: It went from that being you know, real pretty easy
Speaker 3: to tell who might know you, to everybody like it
Speaker 3: was it was crazy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the ed Hardy guy, he knows them. But now
Speaker 1: we got Grandma, Grandma is now knowing dude. We got
Speaker 1: to talk about I remember watching you and fucking Entourage.
Speaker 1: Who'd you punk? Johnny Drama. That was hey because that
Speaker 1: was like the biggest show in the world.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I love that show.
Speaker 3: We all loved it for me, like I was one
Speaker 3: of those shows that was up probably the last show
Speaker 3: that I actually would when when I was traveling, would
Speaker 3: actually go try to find someboldace in HB on Sunday night,
Speaker 3: trying to watch.
Speaker 1: It without a doubt because we can't binge it back then,
Speaker 1: you can't just bend ship.
Speaker 3: And I asked everybody I knew to get like they
Speaker 3: get me on the show, you know, like I just
Speaker 3: want to walk on side events, and they when they
Speaker 3: it was cooler that when they found out they're gonna
Speaker 3: put me on, They're like, oh, we might as well
Speaker 3: put them on. And I was making him the punk.
Speaker 3: I think they had a they had something else, but
Speaker 3: they came up with a different punks.
Speaker 2: That you got got episode.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was a lot of fun. You were everywhere
Speaker 1: in the in this time.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and again it's like one of those things that
Speaker 3: we're just trying to promote the sport.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Back then, like a lot of people, I really had
Speaker 3: no idea who I was. Down they knew who I was,
Speaker 3: so now they hear I'm fighting on it that. Oh
Speaker 3: maybe I watched that, Maybe I watched paper view. You know,
Speaker 3: it's that was the idea.
Speaker 1: What was your coolest experience that you think this time?
Speaker 1: What was your the one that you liked that was
Speaker 1: fucking I made Oh this is pretty cool.
Speaker 3: It was right after a week after the fight, like
Speaker 3: when it was fight, like h r U y e,
Speaker 3: do you want to go on a vacation with us?
Speaker 3: And then we full in private jet to.
Speaker 2: To besa help. I went on a couple of tow
Speaker 2: hundred foot yachts.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they'd like eighty eight foot tenders and they're crazy.
Speaker 3: Like it was like you know, and like first time
Speaker 3: a kid that I mean I was, it was a
Speaker 3: kid anymore. I was thirty five, but I mean I've
Speaker 3: never done anything like that, no, you know. And then
Speaker 3: that for a week, and then I went to I
Speaker 3: think I did it on the longest like I think
Speaker 3: we went. We went to England and did a PR
Speaker 3: tour for a couple of days there.
Speaker 2: Then I flew bad. I did like they did, like
Speaker 2: I think they did.
Speaker 3: Like I was in like seventeen seventeen cities and five
Speaker 3: countries and like like five days, like in twenty five
Speaker 3: days or something.
Speaker 2: It was crazy.
Speaker 1: It was you were the perfect person at this time
Speaker 1: to promote the game because you I mean, you look
Speaker 1: like a fucking you look like a fighter.
Speaker 2: Yeah. And also for in the.
Speaker 1: Haircut, you had the look. You had the fucking Cauliflowerer,
Speaker 1: you had the fucking the thing.
Speaker 3: I also I also had a college degree. We're still
Speaker 3: trying when still trying to convince me we're not just
Speaker 3: a bunch of you know that, you know, they have nothing.
Speaker 2: Else to do.
Speaker 3: I just want to fight, beat people up, you know.
Speaker 3: So that was a little easier, like you know, that
Speaker 3: was one of the things I did. I went with
Speaker 3: I got a before if I Tito the first time.
Speaker 3: This is before this. They uh, they told me, you
Speaker 3: got to do better on your interviews.
Speaker 2: Now. The problem back then was everybody.
Speaker 3: Coming to go to an interview. They don't even read
Speaker 3: their one sheet. They don't know what to talk about.
Speaker 3: They didn't know what MMA was. Yeah, they'd ask you,
Speaker 3: is this pro wrestling or you know I like to wrestling,
Speaker 3: or like they answer they asked dumb question, the dumbest questions. Well,
Speaker 3: and I'm like and they like it's hard to do
Speaker 3: an interview when you don't get no one knows what
Speaker 3: you're talking about, you don't know what to say. And
Speaker 3: then so I got my actually my manager back then
Speaker 3: is his sister was a drama teacher, and she actually
Speaker 3: said she'd coached me on doing interviews. Yeah, for a
Speaker 3: couple of days, and she asked me to write down
Speaker 3: the ten most common questions. At first of all, she
Speaker 3: goes across all these all shitty questions, and you got
Speaker 3: about two real questions there. So what you're gonna do
Speaker 3: from now on is when you go out there to
Speaker 3: ask you whatever shitty question they asked, answer the question
Speaker 3: yes or no, and then talk for about a minute
Speaker 3: and a half to two minutes about whatever you want to
Speaker 3: talk about, and and that and that, and then if
Speaker 3: they if they, if they're worth anything as an interviewer,
Speaker 3: they'll be able to follow up from there because we're
Speaker 3: doing radio. So it asked me, it's pretty quick hits.
Speaker 3: So interviewing people loved me. What'd you do? Like, Well,
Speaker 3: you told me to get better, and no one told
Speaker 3: me how to get better. I actually got someone went
Speaker 3: and got coached like on how to actually do an interview,
Speaker 3: How do I talk to people like what and especially
Speaker 3: like I said, back then, we were trying to educate
Speaker 3: the people asking us the questions what our sport is.
Speaker 2: They didn't they.
Speaker 3: Didn't know what it was like like you get a
Speaker 3: radio show host and they're like, who's this guy? You
Speaker 3: know he's what's fighting? I don't know what's MMA. I
Speaker 3: don't know that it's UFC.
Speaker 2: They don't know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so it was it was a There's still a
Speaker 3: lot of that back then. So we were doing all
Speaker 3: and it was it was fun.
Speaker 1: We're always trying to improve here in the nuthouse on
Speaker 1: games with names. Give us an example of a shitty question.
Speaker 1: So we don't ask anyone.
Speaker 2: You know, I don't even know, you know. They it's
Speaker 2: just ask answer.
Speaker 3: They'll ask an answer like did you think it was
Speaker 3: good that this guy did that?
Speaker 2: And did this?
Speaker 3: And and you know, and then then you should have
Speaker 3: done this, but they should have done that, Like.
Speaker 2: So do I tell you you're wrong?
Speaker 3: Or and we argue about this word, do you want
Speaker 3: me to just go because that's.
Speaker 2: About my two choices?
Speaker 1: Don't answer the question and the question.
Speaker 3: And other interviews or over talk, yeah, or they just
Speaker 3: wouldn't have you know, they just asked they don't know
Speaker 3: the sport at all.
Speaker 1: It was so new, so should you should have just
Speaker 1: did a little highlight clip of blood Sport and had
Speaker 1: band damn over there fighting the dude doing this and
Speaker 1: fucking you know, the big belly flop. Guy. I love that.
Speaker 1: That was one of my favorite movies.
Speaker 3: Oh.
Speaker 2: I love that.
Speaker 1: My brother pitched UFC to me when I was in
Speaker 1: high school because we were all, like everyone watched boxing
Speaker 1: at that time. He's like, bro, it's fucking blood Sport.
Speaker 1: I'm like, what are you talking about it? And he's like,
Speaker 1: go watch. I watched. It's like it's blood Sport. What So,
Speaker 1: what's on your pregame? Did you have a like iPad
Speaker 1: or like iPod or anything?
Speaker 5: What?
Speaker 1: What was in the Yeah, you know, you know the
Speaker 1: old iPod Actually.
Speaker 3: One of the commissioner stories. I love being in your
Speaker 3: room because I never know what's going to come on next?
Speaker 2: What was I go?
Speaker 3: I go from like Slayer to uh the Country to
Speaker 3: UH to wrap? Yeah, I mean I would we just
Speaker 3: go from just a lot of random stuff.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm the same way hitting all.
Speaker 2: Yeah, stuff come on.
Speaker 3: Different things fired me up different ways, you know, And
Speaker 3: so yeah, I and I was pretty d I was
Speaker 3: just having fun back there anyways.
Speaker 1: Two thousand and five, Chuckle was probably listening to like
Speaker 1: seeing all that by Young Gez and Ship. You know
Speaker 1: I'm talking about trap Star. Got a little country in
Speaker 1: there as well. Fucking awesome. Let's uh, let's jump into
Speaker 1: the fight. Uh So.
Speaker 5: Randy Cotour also is the natural from Everett, Washington and
Speaker 5: a Coatur had a background in Greco Roman wrestling and
Speaker 5: he was an All American wrestler at Oklahoma State Go Cowboys.
Speaker 5: He served in the one hundred and first Airborne before
Speaker 5: making his a UFC debut in nineteen ninety seven and
Speaker 5: in two thousand and five. At this point in his
Speaker 5: career he had a record of thirteen and six.
Speaker 2: And he just came down from heavyweight being a heavyweight champ.
Speaker 1: Can you break down his fight and fighting style? Yeah,
Speaker 1: he just a straight wrestler.
Speaker 3: No, he's really good at dirty boxing, getting inside and
Speaker 3: beat guys up in there, and then good wrestling, gets control,
Speaker 3: good cage control, good just all around a good fighter. Tough,
Speaker 3: take a shot.
Speaker 1: What was his greatest strength?
Speaker 3: He's wrestling and Understaid's wrestling and being able to being
Speaker 3: able to control control people.
Speaker 1: What's Randy Couture mean to the m m A. He
Speaker 1: was a big name, big.
Speaker 3: Name, and he was great. He's a great opponent. I mean,
Speaker 3: he's a really tough guy. Guy's been around, been around,
Speaker 3: had bit. Like I said, he got up, got one
Speaker 3: of very title that came down.
Speaker 2: We got that, like every ray title. Yeah, so it's
Speaker 2: tough man.
Speaker 1: Any bad blood none? None?
Speaker 2: No, we're good.
Speaker 3: Respect Yeah, respect What I mean, I don't think everybody
Speaker 3: I fought. I'm friends with everybody I fought pretty much
Speaker 3: except for Tito. But I mean I don't I don't
Speaker 3: even I don't hate Tito's just we don't, you know,
Speaker 3: just we don't like, we don't get along.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's all. We have a fighting public. I used
Speaker 2: to think it was.
Speaker 3: Funny, like back even back in the day when we're
Speaker 3: still fighting, like, yeah, coming out, we're going to club
Speaker 3: the man, tito'ish, everything gonna be okay, Like you.
Speaker 2: Got a couple of dollars, No, then, yeah, things gonna
Speaker 2: be fine. You're not gonna fight. I mean, you know,
Speaker 2: it's like we're good.
Speaker 1: So you fought Randy couldtur in the inner inner term match, right,
Speaker 1: It was like the inner interim belt and you lost.
Speaker 1: He was he came out. It was kind of it
Speaker 1: was kind of like you were thinking about Tito because
Speaker 1: there's all that Tito ship going on. Did you take
Speaker 1: anything from that first fight like into this second fight
Speaker 1: when you're going to the title fight?
Speaker 7: Like?
Speaker 3: Is that?
Speaker 1: Is that like for us? When I play a team
Speaker 1: in the regular season and I got that film of
Speaker 1: playing them, when I played them in the postseason, I
Speaker 1: felt like I had an upradge on them because I
Speaker 1: already felt their technique.
Speaker 3: Right after we watched. I didn't watch film that was
Speaker 3: the first fight. I didn't watch films four until we
Speaker 3: were scheduled because I was so upset that I let
Speaker 3: Tito off the hook to fighting me. Not that I
Speaker 3: lost to Randy. I respect for Andy. I just didn't
Speaker 3: like that let Titto off the hook. It just crushed me.
Speaker 2: So I was training and they need to get out.
Speaker 2: You got me right back in the ring, let me
Speaker 2: go fight.
Speaker 3: And Briane got me back to fighting right away because
Speaker 3: it's what I needed to get back and back.
Speaker 2: Focus on something. And then we started going.
Speaker 3: And and I when I when I signed a fight,
Speaker 3: we're ready to go. I watched watch film on it,
Speaker 3: and I watched the film We're Gonna Knock Him Out. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I got them, And that's I was always good at
Speaker 3: going back and breaking down what things.
Speaker 2: I saw a few little things, and that's all I needed.
Speaker 1: What did you see?
Speaker 3: What?
Speaker 1: Like? What are you looking for when you're watching a film?
Speaker 3: Well, what I'm watching a film against someone else. I'm
Speaker 3: trying to see what things they do, like the whether
Speaker 3: movement habits are what? Hey, wow?
Speaker 2: What?
Speaker 3: And then usually when I find them, I try to
Speaker 3: test and see if they they have moved the same
Speaker 3: way against me, because a lot of fighters don't move
Speaker 3: the same.
Speaker 2: Way depending on what they're who you're fighting, they.
Speaker 3: Don't move that. They have a lot of similarities. And
Speaker 3: now they move, but they're not quietly. They might be
Speaker 3: a little more worried about me hitting them, so they're
Speaker 3: gonna move a little different. And they've trained it a
Speaker 3: little different from me and they did for somebody else.
Speaker 3: But when you see how they they're ready for you,
Speaker 3: and then then when they win, they usually don't change it.
Speaker 2: A whole lot.
Speaker 1: It's so similar to football, you know, like cause like
Speaker 1: that first drive when you're an offense you're throwing shit
Speaker 1: out there, and you're you're putting stuff that you saw
Speaker 1: on film out there to see how they defend. Right,
Speaker 1: there's someone that So then I can see, all right,
Speaker 1: we got our counter. We have this play for the
Speaker 1: INTWO you have a third down look because they did this.
Speaker 1: So a lot of that. I mean that chess in
Speaker 1: fucking fighting.
Speaker 3: And that's the fun part about it is playing chess
Speaker 3: out there and there's there's so many ways to wear
Speaker 3: and lose an mma. Yeah that I can you know
Speaker 3: what I'm saying. That's what a lot of styles made
Speaker 3: fights a lot of times. You know, guys, this guy's
Speaker 3: an easy fight. Easier to fight for this guy, but
Speaker 3: not not so easy for that guys.
Speaker 1: It's different matchups.
Speaker 5: Matchups, baby, Okay, So Chuck Ladell, now you obviously know this.
Speaker 5: This is for our audience back at home. Chuck Leadell,
Speaker 5: also known as the Iceman, Fighting out of Saint Louis
Speaker 5: Obispo in California, Chuck was a D one wrestler at
Speaker 5: cal paly Go Mustangs. It was an amateur kickboxing champion
Speaker 5: known for his sprawl and brawl fighting style. He excelled
Speaker 5: with great takedown defense, and heavy hands. Chuck made his
Speaker 5: UFC debut in nineteen ninety eight in Mobile, Alabama. In
Speaker 5: two thousand and five, when we're talking about at this
Speaker 5: point of your career, you had a record of fourteen
Speaker 5: to three.
Speaker 1: On the height. When'd you realize you had that over
Speaker 1: that overham punch? When'd you know it was gonna connect
Speaker 1: in this one in this fight?
Speaker 2: And that was that was the thing. He will pruss
Speaker 2: you and come home.
Speaker 3: And I was I worked on pivoting off, encountering with
Speaker 3: that right hand. Pavoting you pivot off and get him,
Speaker 3: but he's coming still coming forward and catch him saying
Speaker 3: that way dropped him so great.
Speaker 1: And then you went in. See the crazy thing is
Speaker 1: you guys, when they drop and hit the ground, then
Speaker 1: you guys go in the straight fucking hammer.
Speaker 3: You gotta finish hm because some guys, you know, you
Speaker 3: don't know, you don't know, some guys can survive down there,
Speaker 3: and if you don't, if you don't, and you have
Speaker 3: to make the rough stop because otherwise, if you jump
Speaker 3: right on top of him, the ref's gotta stop it.
Speaker 2: If you don't, the ref can wait and see how
Speaker 2: he reacts. Like you go. You can hold on.
Speaker 3: But if you guys up there, if you're up there,
Speaker 3: hit him, he's got to pull you off. If you're not,
Speaker 3: you wait a minute to call the fight. Well you
Speaker 3: go wait. Let me see his Randy okay? Is Randy okay?
Speaker 1: So now bell rings fight starts. What what's going through
Speaker 1: your head in this fight?
Speaker 3: I think we'll just keep moving on to speak, keep circle,
Speaker 3: keep circle, just keep keep your feet moving. So I
Speaker 3: just I just I just come in and see how
Speaker 3: I was gonna engage, see how I was.
Speaker 2: Gonna come at me. I just I'm not throwing a
Speaker 2: few punches at.
Speaker 3: Him, you know, just get it, get in to come
Speaker 3: in because I know he's want he wants to close this,
Speaker 3: and he's like he didn't want to stand outside on me.
Speaker 3: I didn't want to stand out, you know, sit down
Speaker 3: there and let me pick you apart.
Speaker 2: You know. Uh, he's gonna have to come in.
Speaker 1: Now. When when did this iceman persona come come from?
Speaker 2: Well that was just John.
Speaker 3: John called like nicknames everybody, I think, but uh, he
Speaker 3: started calling me the iceman because I said he didn't
Speaker 3: get nervous before fights.
Speaker 2: He had like like two hundred amateur fights.
Speaker 3: And like sixty SEI pro fights and he got nervous
Speaker 3: for every single one of them.
Speaker 2: And I think it was We're in.
Speaker 3: Bakersfield fighting at the strong Board Arena, and there he was.
Speaker 3: I was gonna fight at like nine o'clock, nine thirty
Speaker 3: ten go on the night, so he's gonna come take
Speaker 3: my hands at eight, and but we'd been there since
Speaker 3: we got that as dads get there at like five thirty.
Speaker 3: So I'm in the back sitting around doing nothing, and
Speaker 3: and he goes looking for me, and he can't find me,
Speaker 3: and things I maybe I took off, like I said,
Speaker 3: app guys freak out and take off whatever.
Speaker 2: I thought.
Speaker 3: He's looking around, looking around, and finally he finds me.
Speaker 3: And I'm sleeping on a on a type at and
Speaker 3: we had on a type at, just sleeping in the corner. Yeah,
Speaker 3: And I was just killing time. We had We had
Speaker 3: no guy we did. The other guy we had another
Speaker 3: guy had already fought, and I was just kind of relaxing,
Speaker 3: and so he just couldn't play. I have trouble sleeping
Speaker 3: the night before I fight, but just sleeping like a
Speaker 3: couple hours before you fight and start.
Speaker 2: You're just an iceman. So you just started calling me
Speaker 2: the iceman.
Speaker 1: Hell, yeah, you know, I used to add before a game. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you get because sometimes you get too jacked up before
Speaker 1: a shit like you wear out mentally like it's gonna
Speaker 1: be a long battle in the battle, like let's let's
Speaker 1: let me go in calm, let me go in calm
Speaker 1: or fresh like that.
Speaker 3: That's the thing I like worried about it at the
Speaker 3: I was just to tell people, how you so calm
Speaker 3: before you fight? Is it?
Speaker 2: Because I know it's not gonna do me any good.
Speaker 3: I've already we've already done the game plan, We've already
Speaker 3: got We've already trained, training, training, and a camp was
Speaker 3: last week.
Speaker 2: It's over.
Speaker 3: We can't do anymore worry about. It's not gonna do
Speaker 3: any good. So just go out and perform. If you
Speaker 3: just go out and perform, you're gonna do a lot
Speaker 3: better than you will if you go out worry, if
Speaker 3: you and if you spend all night worried about it,
Speaker 3: I matter what funny funnies are, Like my buddy came.
Speaker 3: My buddy is a friends of both, was me and
Speaker 3: Tino before he fought the first time he went down
Speaker 3: to see Tito and his Tito was in his room
Speaker 3: and they were all in the in the front room
Speaker 3: talking talking strategy and what are you gonna do tomorrow
Speaker 3: and all this stuff. He said, he came up and
Speaker 3: knocks on Hydraic and he comes in and he walks in,
Speaker 3: and I got two girls in my bed, and and
Speaker 3: he's like and he looked, and he's like, I knew
Speaker 3: who was gonna win right there. So you were just
Speaker 3: completely relaxed. I didn't care. I'm like, it's just it
Speaker 3: just was just its just that this is being calm,
Speaker 3: you know. I was like, I don't it doesn't it does.
Speaker 3: It does me no good to worry about it, So
Speaker 3: why do it?
Speaker 1: It doesn't know good to worry, So why worry?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I was always a good test taker.
Speaker 3: I always did well. If I want to outshot what
Speaker 3: I should probably should have done on the tests. I
Speaker 3: I really you said, I'm studying, study, study until you
Speaker 3: close the book as soon as they start to test.
Speaker 3: I'm I'm relaxed. I just go and do I do
Speaker 3: my answers. Hey, do what I can do. That's all
Speaker 3: I can do. There's no more worrying about It's not
Speaker 3: can do anything. Yeah, don't worry about what you can't
Speaker 3: You know what I'm people say it all the time.
Speaker 3: Don't worry about it what you can't the things you
Speaker 3: can't change, effect can't control.
Speaker 1: I need a little chuck in my head sometimes I
Speaker 1: need a little chuck in my head. Can we get it?
Speaker 1: Put a put a ball on this on the on
Speaker 1: the fight and walk us through the fight. Kai guy,
Speaker 1: so first before we.
Speaker 5: We got you to lead up. That's very important for
Speaker 5: this match. The lead up to UFC fifty two is
Speaker 5: a rematch from two years in the making. A Katur
Speaker 5: won the Internment Championship we mentioned before in their first
Speaker 5: meeting in a third round TKO. Since that fight, Randy
Speaker 5: was two and one, notably beating t RTIs to unify
Speaker 5: the belt and then beating Vidor belfort I probably butchered
Speaker 5: that to reclaim the belt, and then Chuck went three
Speaker 5: and one, also beat t do Ortiz and also competed
Speaker 5: in the Pride Grand pre tournament representing the UFC, and
Speaker 5: this led up to UFC fifty two. But also a
Speaker 5: part of USC fifty two is the Ultimate Fighter Season one,
Speaker 5: so ULTI Fire Season one is where Chuck and Randy
Speaker 5: were coaches.
Speaker 2: It was a won both way classes.
Speaker 1: That's right.
Speaker 5: With the UFC struggling to stay afloat, Dana White pitched
Speaker 5: the idea of an MMA reality show to the newly
Speaker 5: created Spy TV. Sixteen fighters across two way classes middleweight
Speaker 5: and heavyweight, two teams led by coach Laddell and coach
Speaker 5: katre On. The winner receive a six figure fight contract
Speaker 5: with the UFC. Then A, White credits the finale fight
Speaker 5: between Forrest Griffin and Stefan Bonner with saving the UFC.
Speaker 3: Oh it was great that, you know it was it
Speaker 3: was our first free fight on TV, right, and they
Speaker 3: have that amazing fight that had both like I had
Speaker 3: all elements of MMA in it. I mean, you couldn't
Speaker 3: ask for a better fight. They had Gotti Ward type fight.
Speaker 3: Maybe not the two best guys out there right now
Speaker 3: at the time, but but such a great show, put
Speaker 3: such a great matchup, put a great show. You know,
Speaker 3: they had both had successful careers after that. You know,
Speaker 3: forced man, it's for tough yeah, good good fighters.
Speaker 2: Is great.
Speaker 1: Now, when you did this show, did you notice that
Speaker 1: every little kid everywhere was starting to do your mohawk?
Speaker 1: And what inspired this mohawk? No, I didn't notice that
Speaker 1: because I remember kids trying to be Chuck Liddell with
Speaker 1: the mohawk. I think I had one. I had one
Speaker 1: too in this year.
Speaker 3: So I agree up my whole life with shape the
Speaker 3: shaved that like short growing up.
Speaker 2: Tell about my eighth grade.
Speaker 3: And in eighth grade I had a teacher, A subject
Speaker 3: teacher asked me after class, like, hey, so, what what's
Speaker 3: it like being a skinhead. I'm like, so as people
Speaker 3: a skin of culture, like I'm I'm I'm what, I'm
Speaker 3: not a skinny. I don't know what's talking about, you know,
Speaker 3: And I'm like, I don't even know the skin Well, yeah,
Speaker 3: and so I told my grandma that and I said,
Speaker 3: I was laughing, tell us story of my grandma and
Speaker 3: my grandpa, And Okay, we're gonna let you grow your
Speaker 3: hair out a little bit. My grammar said, people don't
Speaker 3: mistake you for a skinhead, because that was a big
Speaker 3: thing issue with that back then. And uh, I'm like, okay,
Speaker 3: So I got to grow my hair out. So now
Speaker 3: we're in college and I think it was ninety two
Speaker 3: and my my buddies are going this Layer concert we're
Speaker 3: all going to that was gonna shave their heads. I said, Nah,
Speaker 3: not gonna happen. I did that for way too long.
Speaker 3: Not gonna happen. You gotta do something. Come on, well,
Speaker 3: I'm wut a mohawk. I'll do a maw So I
Speaker 3: did a mohawk, and I actually went up to the
Speaker 3: we worked there. I was working security and fair. After that, really,
Speaker 3: I noticed that everybody there wrecking azed, like all the
Speaker 3: people that worked there would recognize me. When I was off,
Speaker 3: I get free food and stuff, and so people recognized it,
Speaker 3: and so I just kind of kept it and I
Speaker 3: started kickboxing and I was fighting, and I actually went
Speaker 3: to one of my fights and stromore Arena back early
Speaker 3: fights with it with the hair going out, because I
Speaker 3: got an altercation at at a club I were at
Speaker 3: I was working.
Speaker 2: And then we had they wanted me to grow my
Speaker 2: hair out for the court case. Yeah I won. I
Speaker 2: was an idiot, Yeah, I was just you know it.
Speaker 2: It was stupid. But anyway, so I won that and
Speaker 2: then we went out. But I went I the week
Speaker 2: before that, I had to fight. I fought and they
Speaker 2: so I had my hair going out. I didn't fight.
Speaker 3: The promoter got mad at me, So don't man, don't
Speaker 3: ever do that to me again. Man, you gotta you
Speaker 3: gotta way your mohawk, because I have people complaining that
Speaker 3: you never showed up. Now, I knocked the guy out
Speaker 3: in the second round that night, but they didn't know
Speaker 3: it was me. Nobody knows there's no hawk. I was
Speaker 3: on the I was on the poster, but they didn't
Speaker 3: know I was there. They they thought I didn't show up.
Speaker 3: So was the mohawk. I was on poster, it wasn't
Speaker 3: on postering. And I was like, don't do that to
Speaker 3: me again. People recognized me for that. So so later
Speaker 3: on when I fought in the UFC like that, and
Speaker 3: actually Peretti, the promoter back then, told me, I was, oh,
Speaker 3: that's played out.
Speaker 2: Get rid of that mohawk. I was, I'm good, but
Speaker 2: uh so.
Speaker 3: But it was actually a good thing for people to
Speaker 3: recognize me and knows me, especially back in the day
Speaker 3: when I first started getting fit a little bit a
Speaker 3: little bit of fame. People you'd see him going after
Speaker 3: you see it was a bargle like this, try to
Speaker 3: look around my head and see if I have that tattoo?
Speaker 3: Got him?
Speaker 2: Yea gonna he's got the tattoo.
Speaker 1: Okay, what's the tattoo.
Speaker 3: It's from my room lit karate style and so what
Speaker 3: we were in our blackbots when we get our black belt,
Speaker 3: we were on our gee when we get.
Speaker 2: Our backpots to Conji.
Speaker 1: What does it mean?
Speaker 3: Uh, roughly base peace and prosperity a place, a piece
Speaker 3: of prosperity, or house or temple a piece of prosperity.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Kind of the idea was you studyed martial arts to
Speaker 3: be for internal peace and prosperity.
Speaker 1: Before we go into grating this game, I want to ask,
Speaker 1: what was it like doing The Ultimate Fighter with having
Speaker 1: like cameras everywhere like that? That was like reality TV
Speaker 1: time and you guys are getting thrown into that. What
Speaker 1: was that whole experience? Like?
Speaker 2: It was interesting, the whole thing.
Speaker 3: The nice part of that was, like I got we
Speaker 3: were just there when we were on set.
Speaker 2: They didn't have the coaches, weren't living in the house. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean, but it was a learning curve for everybody.
Speaker 2: You know, they came in.
Speaker 3: Not quite understanding stuff, you know, some things, and we
Speaker 3: got we got a few arguments and a couple arguments
Speaker 3: with them over stuff. And I think I I think
Speaker 3: they joked about about of the second season I did.
Speaker 3: They said I still held the record for most rules
Speaker 3: broken in the season.
Speaker 2: But I mean, but a lot of it came down,
Speaker 2: and we we had a lot of arguments over.
Speaker 3: Of them there them trying to be reality people and
Speaker 3: do what they do and and me being a coach
Speaker 3: and doing what I do because my thing was like
Speaker 3: we got so A good example was so one of
Speaker 3: the one of the one of the they were Kenny
Speaker 3: Flooran was gonna fight one of the Night's one of
Speaker 3: the shows that we were filming. This is not gonna
Speaker 3: be aired for a couple of months right until later,
Speaker 3: and and they you know, And so the guy that
Speaker 3: tape wraps his hands that they hired shot up late.
Speaker 3: He wasn't there yet, and they wouldn't let me tape
Speaker 3: his hands because they said, I don't know why I could.
Speaker 3: I can tape normally, but they wanted their guy to
Speaker 3: do it. Okay whatever, So he get his hands taped.
Speaker 3: This guy comes in this runner because he goes, hey,
Speaker 3: he needs me out there in five minutes. I'm all, hey, man,
Speaker 3: we need about twenty minutes and warm up. We're gonna
Speaker 3: we need about twenty minutes and warm up. He needs
Speaker 3: to be out there right fucking now. Who the fuck
Speaker 3: you think you're talking to? And guy ran out of room.
Speaker 3: She runs out and got got the person in charge
Speaker 3: and she comes in and she came in and she
Speaker 3: starts yelling at me. I'm ahead, look here, you whired
Speaker 3: me to be these kids coach. I'm gonna treat him
Speaker 3: like the one of mine. This guy's not fighting, tell
Speaker 3: he's good guy until I say he's damn ready, or.
Speaker 2: You can ask them who.
Speaker 3: They want to fire me or you your choice, good luck. No,
Speaker 3: she and they gave me the.
Speaker 1: Time, right, but this guy's about to go out fight
Speaker 1: for his fucking life, like not even that, but like
Speaker 1: for his career.
Speaker 3: It's like, no, he's not ready, and this isn't this
Speaker 3: is the time, we know, and it's your not to mention.
Speaker 2: It's your we're late being warmed up, not ours. So
Speaker 2: I don't even want to hear it.
Speaker 3: That being said, we talked after and you know, like
Speaker 3: it's like, look, I understand you guys are trying to
Speaker 3: make a show, but they I mean, they they wanted.
Speaker 3: It was sixty straight days that time at that time,
Speaker 3: with fights in the middle of it.
Speaker 2: Jesus and they wanted us to do.
Speaker 3: They want us to do too hard workouts a day
Speaker 3: every day for sixty days. I want guys, nobody can
Speaker 3: do that because they gonna happen.
Speaker 2: We have to. I will get them doing something. We
Speaker 2: can do something.
Speaker 1: But like you then, and.
Speaker 3: You got these and you know, we had these challenges too.
Speaker 3: They were all physical and the other thing. I'm going, dude,
Speaker 3: guys like I'm gonna, I will. We can do something,
Speaker 3: but you gotta be we got a kind of they're humans.
Speaker 3: And then you asked me to be their coach.
Speaker 2: I'll be.
Speaker 3: I get it. We hired you guys to make a
Speaker 3: reality show. I will do what you ask within reason.
Speaker 1: Everyone's just trying to do their job. They don't understand
Speaker 1: being an athlete. The athlete doesn't understand, and we're trying
Speaker 1: to put a show on and that's just all this bullshit.
Speaker 1: But it turned out to be a fucking great thing.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, because because of this show. Its sling shotted.
Speaker 1: This is one of the I'm telling you, this show
Speaker 1: is pretty much the template for like six other sports
Speaker 1: and how they've gotten famous. Now drive or survive they're
Speaker 1: trying to do with tennis. They're trying to do with golf.
Speaker 1: It's all because of The Ultimate Fighter.
Speaker 5: How was the show pitched to you? Like, how did
Speaker 5: they how did they all come together?
Speaker 3: David's we do the show, it's gonna end up in
Speaker 3: a fight. Uh, and you get a title shot the
Speaker 3: week after perfect and You're like, let's titles that, right,
Speaker 3: let's go, And that was argument.
Speaker 4: We went back and forth they at the time we
Speaker 4: had I think I had two fights left, so I
Speaker 4: would have fought once and then we could we usually
Speaker 4: would with the contract at that and he won that
Speaker 4: to fight at the end of the deal because I
Speaker 4: was gonna fight again before that show, and I won
Speaker 4: that fight, then then find the show and he wanted
Speaker 4: two extra fights at the end of the deal at
Speaker 4: whatever that was.
Speaker 3: But my manager actually quit over it. Jesus were argued,
Speaker 3: I mean I still paid him on the two fights.
Speaker 2: We had laps.
Speaker 1: Actually it worked out. He got to say that he
Speaker 1: represented you and you got to do what you just did.
Speaker 1: So it was it was fun. So everyone friends.
Speaker 5: So to wrap up The Ultimate Fighter, Your Fighter, Force
Speaker 5: Griffin won in a war of a fight against Stephan Bonner.
Speaker 5: Force Griffin won the UFC contract, but Dana White was
Speaker 5: so impressed with the other fighter that he also awarded
Speaker 5: the other fighter a UFC contracted. Well, I wasn't aware
Speaker 5: the UFC gave up participation trophies, but here we go.
Speaker 1: Stop.
Speaker 5: And then a week after, as you mentioned, the season
Speaker 5: one finale, at the Ultimate Fighter, it was time for
Speaker 5: the coaches to fight.
Speaker 1: And you guys go in, you fight, You knock his
Speaker 1: house out in the first round.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 1: And it was awesome.
Speaker 3: It was that was And that's that's as excited as
Speaker 3: I ever get, because you know, you you put all
Speaker 3: that time in and then you do it, do it
Speaker 3: exactly how you want to do it.
Speaker 2: That's not even knock out. You know, that's how what
Speaker 2: if I don't?
Speaker 3: And you know I always say the other thing if
Speaker 3: you if you want to pick, like the second favorite
Speaker 3: fighter is the second one, because it proved that this
Speaker 3: one wasn't a floke.
Speaker 1: Once once his luck twice his skill three is a pro.
Speaker 1: So my dad used to say he was once his
Speaker 1: luck kid twice his skill three's are pro. Walk us
Speaker 1: through beat for beat what it's like winning the UFC Championship.
Speaker 3: It's hard to say beat for beat. I mean, I
Speaker 3: just out there. You go out and do your thing.
Speaker 3: And then I mean I was fired up. If you
Speaker 3: could tell, if you couldn't tell after watching me after
Speaker 3: the fight, it was not pretty fired up?
Speaker 1: Was your grandpa round still?
Speaker 2: No, I was.
Speaker 3: That was That was a hard one for me. I
Speaker 3: always say the one thing, you know, one thing you
Speaker 3: never got to see was me fight in the UC.
Speaker 1: You never got to see a champ.
Speaker 2: Never never gonna see me fight. He had watch a fight.
Speaker 3: Kickbox from once knocked the kid out in the second round.
Speaker 1: But you know, but he watched. He got to watch. Man.
Speaker 1: That's that's it.
Speaker 3: But it's and you know, without him, I wouldn't have
Speaker 3: been out there. And my mom, I mean my mom
Speaker 3: the same way.
Speaker 2: She's just both of them tough as nails.
Speaker 3: Both of them raised me tough, and they raised you like,
Speaker 3: oh the hard work, that work, ethic, you know, you know,
Speaker 3: I think a lot of it. I was just saying
Speaker 3: I was never the best athlete in the room. But no,
Speaker 3: I wouldn't let anybody out work me. I put in
Speaker 3: my time, put in my work. I did everything I
Speaker 3: need to do. I got prepared, you know, and and
Speaker 3: just let let him fly, let him fly. We'll be
Speaker 3: right back after this quick break. Let's score the game.
Speaker 3: This is a segment where we score the game.
Speaker 1: We name the game. These are some names that we
Speaker 1: came up with. If you have a name, you could
Speaker 1: throw it out there. We were gonna go Ladell versus
Speaker 1: Couture two Chapter two, The Naturals Disaster, the Iceman Cometh,
Speaker 1: Iceman's revenge. Revenge is best served cold, the fight that
Speaker 1: saved the UFC. Or is there something else?
Speaker 2: You know? I think the natural Disaster.
Speaker 1: Let's go the Naturals Disaster.
Speaker 2: Uh yeah, but now that all of those are pretty good.
Speaker 1: Actually, which one do you? Which one do you want
Speaker 1: to pick?
Speaker 2: I mean, if I was gonna do want, i'd be
Speaker 2: the Iceman Cometh.
Speaker 1: I guess Let's do it. Love it, the Iceman Cometh,
Speaker 1: the Iceman Cometh. Score the game. Is this the greatest
Speaker 1: game of all time? Let's score it. Chuck steaks zero
Speaker 1: to ten decimals? Okay, the stakes of this specific UFC
Speaker 1: fifty two fight the Steaks, all right? What was that
Speaker 1: steak for me?
Speaker 3: Like? That was I mean my chance to the shot
Speaker 3: shot at a title.
Speaker 2: I don't think I would have got another shot after.
Speaker 1: That you gotta great it one to ten decimals. Okay,
Speaker 1: takes ten, that is a fight. I'm gonna say it's
Speaker 1: a nine point five. This is not just bearing Chuck
Speaker 1: Liddell's freaking career. This was bearing like the UFC in general, Like,
Speaker 1: this is the splash you have, like the Ultimate Challenger
Speaker 1: UFC Challenger Show, and.
Speaker 3: I don't think it could have been any better for me,
Speaker 3: Like coming off of the Bonner Forest fight. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 3: the next week pay per view, the biggest paper view
Speaker 3: by by far we've had since they bought it. Yeah,
Speaker 3: lots of sh and then to have that explosive of
Speaker 3: finish when the dominant performance.
Speaker 2: You could couldn't asked for a better I mean, I think.
Speaker 5: Jack got a eight point three at a eight point nine.
Speaker 1: Let's go start power. You gotta grade the star power
Speaker 1: of this fight, you, Randy Couture. I think I saw
Speaker 1: Cindy Crawfer in the crowd.
Speaker 5: Some celebrities in the crowd, Kevin James.
Speaker 1: Kevin James was in there, Pam Anderson, Pam Anderson's in there.
Speaker 5: Jack, Cindy Crawford, Michael everyone was there. Vanilla.
Speaker 1: You got to grade the star power of this vice.
Speaker 2: I'll tell you a funny story about the Vanilla please.
Speaker 3: My buddy took a picture was fight fight, and there's
Speaker 3: when I knocked out Randy.
Speaker 2: I first hit him. There's a picture.
Speaker 3: The whole celebrity rote with everybody in that row like
Speaker 3: this except for Vanilla Ice who was doing this.
Speaker 2: So you know who your true fans are?
Speaker 5: Hey, Vanilla Ice, Ice man, that's obviously man.
Speaker 2: I was like man, he was out of his chair.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 2: It was awesome.
Speaker 5: Are you telled you with ice cuban iced tea as well?
Speaker 1: All Ice sticks together? Well on Swartzenegger Ice Man, he is.
Speaker 1: We got to grade the star power Zer were to
Speaker 1: ten for that for the time.
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know. I got nine five and
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's good. I'm gonna go eight nine. That's a
Speaker 1: that's a big ass crowd.
Speaker 5: Jacket of nine point two out of eight point five.
Speaker 1: The game player of the fight. So how the fight
Speaker 1: actually went? You gotta you have to grade the fight.
Speaker 1: It's a ten for me, that's a ten for Chuck.
Speaker 2: I mean I went the.
Speaker 3: Way I expected it, and that we hit him with
Speaker 3: that that was the punch we wanted to knock him
Speaker 3: out with it, and we wanted him to just come
Speaker 3: and walk in and catch him so and I got
Speaker 3: him with it.
Speaker 1: I mean, anytime there's a fucking knockout, that's the best
Speaker 1: way to win. I'm gonna go with a nine.
Speaker 5: Duels with the nine jack with a six point two
Speaker 5: to five foot one, and I'll explain because your side
Speaker 5: was perfect, perfect five and then less so on his side.
Speaker 5: So that's that's my my how.
Speaker 3: I don't know, I don't know score and you're a
Speaker 3: perfect for me.
Speaker 5: Yeah, sure as hell did.
Speaker 1: And now lastly, we score the name of the game.
Speaker 1: The name of the game. The Iceman's cometh, Cometh cometh,
Speaker 1: the Iceman's cometh.
Speaker 5: The iceman cometh, his coming, the iceman cometh.
Speaker 2: How do you get a little different?
Speaker 1: But we are grading.
Speaker 2: I guess it depends on how you say.
Speaker 4: I like the way he said it.
Speaker 1: That a big reader. Chuck that a big reader. We
Speaker 1: got to score it.
Speaker 5: It's also the cultural impact of this match too, in
Speaker 5: the landscape of UFC and all sports.
Speaker 1: To the score of the name.
Speaker 2: Depends on how you saying.
Speaker 3: I guess, wait, your version of your version ten?
Speaker 2: I would like I don't know, it's eight.
Speaker 1: Eight, Jules, I'm gonna go with that eight to one
Speaker 1: eight one.
Speaker 5: Jack had a seven point zero at a six point eight,
Speaker 5: Where does that go? It's an eight point three one?
Speaker 5: Or is it?
Speaker 1: Line up? In all our games and fights?
Speaker 5: That puts us just behind the Shrug Game, the nineteen
Speaker 5: ninety two NBA Finals Game one Blazers versus Bulls, the
Speaker 5: Jordan Shrug Game, and just ahead of Game six of
Speaker 5: the twenty twenty NBA Finals Lakers versus Heat, which is
Speaker 5: at eight point one seven. We just did with Genie Buss.
Speaker 5: So that makes it the new twenty seventh.
Speaker 1: Not bad? Fuck yeah, twenty seventh on the whole thing.
Speaker 5: The only where's are of the UFC fight we did
Speaker 5: Kabb and McGregor.
Speaker 1: Where is that right there? It's thirty three thirty three?
Speaker 2: Did you guys?
Speaker 3: Have you done the the Giants Super Bowl?
Speaker 1: Yeah? We did that that the Giant Super Bowl. One
Speaker 1: Giant loss.
Speaker 5: Is we're a little bias here is a little bit
Speaker 5: little bias.
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't know, I don't even hate this,
Speaker 3: but that eighteen and one chant on the way out
Speaker 3: of the stadium was pretty amazing.
Speaker 1: I wasn't a Patriot yet. I wasn't a Patriot. I
Speaker 1: was still in high school. Chat.
Speaker 2: I know, but you look it back.
Speaker 1: Look I was.
Speaker 2: I was at that game. So walking out, the New
Speaker 2: York fans chanted eighteen and one all the way out.
Speaker 3: Man, they were chanting eighteen and one, eighteen and one.
Speaker 1: After the game, I mean, they're New Yorkers.
Speaker 5: Who are you rooting for?
Speaker 2: Oh? I was from the Stray.
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, he's a good dude who straight and yeah,
Speaker 1: co worker, give you, I'll give you stray. I'll let
Speaker 1: you have Stray.
Speaker 2: If he wasn't in actually used to give me tickets
Speaker 2: for the Super Bowls.
Speaker 3: I wanted to go to h and like, like I
Speaker 3: usually give them up, like if if it wasn't it
Speaker 3: was Green bayy Maker or it wasn't wasn't a team
Speaker 3: I wanted to see, but I would.
Speaker 2: I went to that one because they have.
Speaker 1: I mean then this was this was all that was
Speaker 1: a legendary Super Bowl.
Speaker 2: I mean I'm still mad.
Speaker 3: I'm still mad about that going for sixteen to er
Speaker 3: because we we had to fight the same night. Yeah,
Speaker 3: they had a free they had that free It.
Speaker 2: Crying costs us a lot of cos cost me some
Speaker 2: money on paper field.
Speaker 1: So then you won. You won. After this game, it.
Speaker 3: Was on every channel free because they're going for sixteen
Speaker 3: as a sixty old season.
Speaker 5: And Randy moss broke the record. Tom and Randy moss Brook.
Speaker 1: Broke the record against the Giants.
Speaker 5: Yep, yep, we did that game too. We did the
Speaker 5: game of the same day.
Speaker 1: You lose your casual fans without a doubt.
Speaker 3: Because the casual fans like, wow, I want to watch this,
Speaker 3: Well I have a choice. I had to pay for
Speaker 3: something to watch this and watch us for free everywhere.
Speaker 1: And football is a machine in this country. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean that's a fucking it's a jugger or not. Don't
Speaker 1: ask basketball about Christmas Day. The NFL just put a
Speaker 1: game on Christmas and and that used to be like
Speaker 1: NBA's day. And it shattered, it shattered him. You know,
Speaker 1: there's no there's there's no uh, there's what is it?
Speaker 1: There's no love or something in war.
Speaker 5: No lost and love, no love lost and love and
Speaker 5: war all fair and love and all's fair and love.
Speaker 1: All that's fair and loving. Fucking Chuck Leedonos obviously not
Speaker 1: word guys here, Chuck, do we miss anything with this fight?
Speaker 2: I don't know not really it was.
Speaker 1: I have one last question, okay, this whole thing. I'm
Speaker 1: sitting here and I was watching a lot of like
Speaker 1: the stories behind this fight and the UFC, and they
Speaker 1: kept on pitching like, yeah, you basically get to see
Speaker 1: a sumos like who would win in a fight, Mike
Speaker 1: Tyson or Bruce Lee? You know what I mean, the
Speaker 1: real person who they should be saying. Really, I want
Speaker 1: to ask you, is it Chuck Norris? Isn't Chuck Norris
Speaker 1: supposed to be like one of the baddest motherfuckers and
Speaker 1: like life when it came to it.
Speaker 2: Chuck Doris, Yeah, no, it was.
Speaker 1: It was the you're kick.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a Carl Karwning guy.
Speaker 3: It's probably you know, he's on the movies and stuff,
Speaker 3: and Chuck's a great dude. Like I Actually, funny thing
Speaker 3: is I didn have a happy birthday thing for him. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I've been asked me to do a video and I'm
Speaker 3: looking at him like, wait, let me see. I've been
Speaker 3: a fan as I love. I've been a fantas let
Speaker 3: me look that up forty years Oh no, that old,
Speaker 3: Like I've been a fan of for four I've been
Speaker 3: watching movies for forty Years's crazy.
Speaker 2: It's crazy.
Speaker 1: It's crazy.
Speaker 2: He's still around.
Speaker 3: As they asked me to do something with his uh
Speaker 3: his dog food and brands like it's cool.
Speaker 2: Like he's a good dude.
Speaker 1: We I think Chuck Norris should do something for Chuck
Speaker 1: Liddell's food. That's I'm trying to make a Chuck Chuck
Speaker 1: Norris joke. But I'm not that smart. You did so
Speaker 1: I had nothing. Everyone's got to go check out Chuck
Speaker 1: Liddell on social media, all of the platforms. King of violence, clothing.
Speaker 5: You're wearing a shirt right now.
Speaker 1: Wearing his shirt right now.
Speaker 5: Look at this.
Speaker 1: You see badass. You guys got a little anime look
Speaker 1: to it. Oh my, I like anything else to plug Chuck.
Speaker 2: Oh you know not right now. We've got some other
Speaker 2: stuff coming up.
Speaker 1: But wait, wait, dude, I appreciate you coming into the
Speaker 1: house so much. Man, thank you man. That was an
Speaker 1: awesome episode, Chuck. I didn't realize he was karate wrestling,
Speaker 1: kickboxing kickboxing. It's cool to get all that straightened out.
Speaker 5: The wrestler talk is always cool. Yeah, yeah, I was.
Speaker 5: We were looking. We couldn't get it completely confirmed. You
Speaker 5: talked about Steven Neil, who was at cal State Bakerfield
Speaker 5: win a national championship, beat brock Lessener in the finals.
Speaker 5: Te Doo or Teas might have been teammates with him.
Speaker 5: Teeto or Teas wrestled cal State Bakersfield around you wanted.
Speaker 1: To get there, Okay, I mean he's still Chuck Ladell.
Speaker 1: You don't want to piss him off. All right.
Speaker 5: We had a nice little hang with him afterwards.
Speaker 1: We had a great hand with him. But still all
Speaker 1: kinds of stories told us then too.
Speaker 5: He is a legend being a top dog athlete in
Speaker 5: like two thousand and six, two thousand and seven, like
Speaker 5: pre social media, pre like cameras. Really you could get
Speaker 5: away with some stuff.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And then also how about like his kids playing
Speaker 1: against parents that like are trying to rowle up Chuck Liddell. Okay,
Speaker 1: read a room, Read a fucking room.
Speaker 5: Imagine being twelve years old and Chuck Ladell is heckling you.
Speaker 1: No, but not even that, it's the parents. Like everywhere
Speaker 1: I've been I go to these soccer games. Okay, you
Speaker 1: sit and you see the other parents and stuff, and
Speaker 1: don't for a second tell me you didn't see Chuck
Speaker 1: Liddell don't for a second. Can tell me you didn't
Speaker 1: see Chuck Liddell. You could see him from a mile away,
Speaker 1: to see that mohawk, yep, and his fanny pack and
Speaker 1: the way he stands and ship that's you know, he's
Speaker 1: probably out in the corner back over there in the
Speaker 1: fucking soccer field or the basketball gym where he's just
Speaker 1: sitting there. He's got something in his fanny pack. He's
Speaker 1: getting there and he's got his fuck. Kind of reminded
Speaker 1: me of my dad. But you're not gonna fuck with
Speaker 1: Chuck Leadell. So parents, read the room.
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Speaker 5: No, let's see.
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Speaker 5: I need anyway? All right, We're just start with some voicemails.
Speaker 1: Oka, do some voicemails.
Speaker 8: Hey, what's up? Games with Names? This is Robert from
Speaker 8: Hollis for California. I listened to the show every commute
Speaker 8: I have.
Speaker 3: I work in the Bay.
Speaker 8: Area from Hayward. You know, I work for Pepsi and
Speaker 8: uh you guys always you know, keep me entertained on
Speaker 8: my commutes. I listen to you guys on the road.
Speaker 8: I watched your guests of YouTube videos. My question for Julian,
Speaker 8: I'm always in the Redwood City area working. What do
Speaker 8: you recommend I go to week I like Mexican food,
Speaker 8: I like the Americans, So if you can recommend something
Speaker 8: for me, I really appreciate it. If you guys roll
Speaker 8: you just keep it up.
Speaker 1: Thank you. What's up? Robert from Hollister. I know Hollister
Speaker 1: very well, used to play them Pop Warner and then
Speaker 1: also it's up Rocky. It's right by Gilroy and that's
Speaker 1: where you used to take your dirt bikes Hollister. It's
Speaker 1: like it's like a it's a commute. It's a commute,
Speaker 1: especial with that traffic. So we appreciate you listening to
Speaker 1: our show during that commute. Mexican food and Redwood City easy.
Speaker 1: If you want a burrito, I'm a Chavez meat market guy.
Speaker 1: Uh not the one off Fifth Avenue? What is the other?
Speaker 1: The one right by uh Off of Whipple. There's a
Speaker 1: perpendicular street. Don't go to the fifth Avenue. Fifth Avenue
Speaker 1: One's fine, it does, it's justice, but it's not the
Speaker 1: original Chavez meat Market. Uh. Dad's been going there since
Speaker 1: he was like eight. We've been going to that place forever.
Speaker 1: They used to have a place called Liz Teca. And
Speaker 1: this this lady who's down it. She was kind of
Speaker 1: a pretty lady. I remember as a kid, and she
Speaker 1: like knew my dad because my dad's been going to
Speaker 1: these Mexican restaurants since he was like fucking kid, and
Speaker 1: so I remember they don't have last Teca. But if
Speaker 1: you want some street tacos lgs el gren Taco eltent,
Speaker 1: Taco Grenze. Damn, I can't roll my r with my
Speaker 1: dip in right now. So yeah, chaves me Margaret, Tacos lgs,
Speaker 1: Taco Grenze. There's like four of them. Uh those are
Speaker 1: my spots.
Speaker 5: What are you ordering there?
Speaker 1: I always just get a super burrito at Chavez.
Speaker 5: So what's that? Guaka sour cream? No guac?
Speaker 1: I don't like quaking my my burrito. I like, I
Speaker 1: like my burritos sour creamy, Okay, So I go. They
Speaker 1: they throw in a uh a pinto bean rice, pico
Speaker 1: de gayo, salsa kiso. I usually go with the cardne
Speaker 1: sado or uh and then they put like a pico
Speaker 1: de guayo in there with crema casso. Yeah, it's pretty good.
Speaker 1: It's like my favorite. I like that, and it's got
Speaker 1: like the runny sour cream. Runny sour cream for Mexican food,
Speaker 1: can't be having like some fucking what is it a
Speaker 1: dolls or whatever, like squeezing some sour cream that you
Speaker 1: should be putting.
Speaker 5: Now, are you ever like for me for burritos, I'm
Speaker 5: a big like burrito and sauce on top of every bike.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you gotta get the sauce of very day and
Speaker 1: you put it every bite, Yeah, every bite and then
Speaker 1: tacos LG's I just go. They also have kind of
Speaker 1: sneaky good case ideas where they they make the case
Speaker 1: of d and then they cut it up and they
Speaker 1: put lettuce, sour cream and the salsa. It's it's a
Speaker 1: fucking messy case on top of it, so you have
Speaker 1: to use four king knife where you're going hands. Yeah,
Speaker 1: me and my boy dro used to snag those all
Speaker 1: the time.
Speaker 5: Is it a type of place that's cutting up. But
Speaker 5: you know, like the spackle spatulas. Yeah, they're cutting up
Speaker 5: with that.
Speaker 1: Oh no, they're just cutting they so they'll grab the
Speaker 1: This is how they do. They grab the piece of
Speaker 1: the meat. And they used to be able to eyeball it.
Speaker 1: Now they've gotten a little too capitalistic now for my liking.
Speaker 1: Where they're measuring ship out. Then I understand where you're going.
Speaker 1: But you know, they used to eyeball it and then
Speaker 1: they fucking cut it right there out with the like
Speaker 1: the butcher knife. Yeah, and they and they get it
Speaker 1: and they put it on your burrito and they roll
Speaker 1: it nice and tight. They used to steam the tortilla
Speaker 1: and now they've changed it or yeah, now they have
Speaker 1: like a presser. Okay, but uh, I'm a Chavez meat market.
Speaker 1: LG's for tacos.
Speaker 5: Did you take us? I think you took us there
Speaker 5: when we were there years ago.
Speaker 1: It was it good?
Speaker 5: Yeah, I remember being really good. You like it's kind
Speaker 5: of like in the like kind of like a convenience
Speaker 5: store type vibe.
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's old's a Mexican market, so
Speaker 1: good great, and they also have really good So that's
Speaker 1: what we'll do is We'll buy a bunch of their
Speaker 1: meat there because it's a meat market and you could
Speaker 1: buy and you can make your own tacos. So like
Speaker 1: if I do tacos, I'll buy their meat. They season
Speaker 1: it and they got like the flank steak, like the
Speaker 1: very thin yeah, and then you cut, you put that
Speaker 1: on there and bang you get the sides within. All
Speaker 1: their sauces and stuff like we always do that. We
Speaker 1: cater with them a bunch. I love Chavez Meat Market. Shit,
Speaker 1: I make it a burrito time. I know they don't have.
Speaker 1: It's different. Those different a mission style burrito.
Speaker 5: The tortillas are different.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and we're mission style like out here. They don't
Speaker 1: put they don't put rice and beans in there.
Speaker 5: My spot does. Which is it? It's I don't want
Speaker 5: to blow it up. But on Vine and Melrose in
Speaker 5: the Pavilions parking lot. Oh and what they do?
Speaker 1: Wait? Wait is it?
Speaker 5: Wait? I took you that place?
Speaker 1: Yeah, but you keep on. Those are all the same.
Speaker 1: Those are all the stirrup palette because there's no well,
Speaker 1: I'm just telling you, like I've been to the one
Speaker 1: right down the road.
Speaker 5: Mind's better than yours. Ones. I agree with that. Mine's
Speaker 5: better than yours. That Yeah, we're on the west side, west.
Speaker 1: Side, but there's the Brothers one on the west side
Speaker 1: that was okay, it's that, But when I go to
Speaker 1: those ones, so what we're what we're talking about in
Speaker 1: like uh, parking lots or on the side of streets
Speaker 1: in La you'll have people at five o'clock that they
Speaker 1: just bring their freaking flat top and they make their
Speaker 1: own tacos and burritos and ship only one complaint for me,
Speaker 1: But I I solve the complaint. I bring my own crema.
Speaker 1: So I'll bring sour cream because you'll you'll order your
Speaker 1: thing and then you put your own ship on and
Speaker 1: then they roll it for you. So I'll put my
Speaker 1: ship in. I'll get my sour cream out of my
Speaker 1: pocket and I'll pour it on there. And my dude
Speaker 1: always looks at me, he goes, that's smart.
Speaker 5: So you bring sour cream and then you put it
Speaker 5: in when they put it in. See, I put the
Speaker 5: sour cream on top when I'm not.
Speaker 1: It's gotta I like the juices to formulate in the
Speaker 1: burrito with the sour cream. Then it becomes a creamy juice.
Speaker 5: I might have to steal that move Yeah.
Speaker 1: It's it's a spectacular move like it makes those it makes.
Speaker 1: It's just it's so much work for me to do that.
Speaker 1: I only do it like once a month because like
Speaker 1: I gotta plant it out because I get I get
Speaker 1: sticked out with like if the sour cream gets too warm,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So, but those are those
Speaker 1: are those are the those are the best around here
Speaker 1: for those.
Speaker 5: But it's a different style because like the Mission style burritos,
Speaker 5: it's a little bit tighter. The tortilla is a little
Speaker 5: bit different. You're gonna have sour cream, right.
Speaker 1: They usually have a pico too. In nor Cow like
Speaker 1: a lot of times they'll just put cilantro onion. Here.
Speaker 1: I had a little tomato in there.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I agree, little lime juice in there. The place
Speaker 5: that I go to when you get a burrito, you
Speaker 5: can ask with con Queso. They throw the cheese down
Speaker 5: on the grid.
Speaker 1: And they then they put on this tortilla on top.
Speaker 1: And yeah, I've been them.
Speaker 7: How long is you been a Boston fan?
Speaker 5: And did you hate any Boston players teams growing up?
Speaker 7: Thanks to have a nice day.
Speaker 1: What's up, buddy, I've been a Boston fan. I became
Speaker 1: a Boston fan. Right when I got drafted two thousand
Speaker 1: and nine, I went out and bought me a Celtics hat.
Speaker 1: I went out and got me a Red Sox hat.
Speaker 1: I've always I've never like on the West Coast. You
Speaker 1: really didn't know about Boston all that much. I knew
Speaker 1: they were the sexy team with Kurt Shilling and those guys,
Speaker 1: and like you all liked Big Poppy, but they were
Speaker 1: kind of like they were the likable team to a
Speaker 1: West Coaster compared to the Yankees, underdog to the Yanks.
Speaker 1: I hated Yankees growing up. Yeah, sick hat, love the hat,
Speaker 1: love the Unis, but I could never wear a Yankees cap,
Speaker 1: like even as a kid, Just like I don't like
Speaker 1: the Dodgers. You know, I'm a Bay Area kid. I don't.
Speaker 1: I hate the La Dodgers hat. Such a sick hat,
Speaker 1: but I can't wear it. You know, I'm a SF fan.
Speaker 1: But uh, I would say two thousand and nine because
Speaker 1: when I got there, the Celtics just won the championship
Speaker 1: in two thousand and eight, Big Three, and then I
Speaker 1: was in. I got to go to the playoffs when
Speaker 1: they were playing against the Lakers as a rookie and
Speaker 1: I started going. That was like the first basketball games
Speaker 1: I really went to, and the Bruins were doing good
Speaker 1: and I became friends with a bunch of the Bruins,
Speaker 1: So I think, I think right when I got there,
Speaker 1: I like took on the Boston thing. I was like, man,
Speaker 1: I fucking love this place, pro city towns kind of
Speaker 1: like my Bay Area, and like it didn't have any refute,
Speaker 1: Like it didn't refute with San Francisco.
Speaker 5: I understand, you know what I mean. It's a nice, clean,
Speaker 5: different car conference or a different side of the country.
Speaker 5: It's not offensive, there's no rivalries. I totally understand.
Speaker 1: But it wasn't like the Lakers or Yankees where you
Speaker 1: just hated both of them because those are the great
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, even though the Boston teams
Speaker 1: were the greats too, but it's a different They've always
Speaker 1: been like an underdog looking team.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I understand. I just bought an La King's shirt
Speaker 5: yesterday just because like there is no friction between them
Speaker 5: and the Penguins, and then it's sick things. So it's
Speaker 5: like I understand the cross country, the cross conference.
Speaker 1: Ever since that La skate, I felt a little more
Speaker 1: part of this community. Yeah, and like I've looked at
Speaker 1: the Kings games now a little.
Speaker 5: Yeah, we should go to they're probably in the playoffs.
Speaker 5: We should go to a playoff game. We should that'd
Speaker 5: be sick. Was just in town, So was there any
Speaker 5: we have last night? Were there any players Boston players
Speaker 5: you hated?
Speaker 1: I didn't hate any of them. I liked Garcia Papara,
Speaker 1: I liked everyone said there, what is his name? No
Speaker 1: more Garcia Para, Yeah, no more Garcia Para. I I
Speaker 1: just remember watching Ship like like the batting gloves.
Speaker 5: Cooked with the fucking shot clock now.
Speaker 1: Yeah, just just cooked. And I loved Poppy. I mean
Speaker 1: Poppy was like I just remember in high school seeing
Speaker 1: this guy swearing at the mic after they just won
Speaker 1: a World Series and beat the Yankees. I was like,
Speaker 1: this guy is fucking badass.
Speaker 5: Now were there so well? You must have had eyes
Speaker 5: on Tom Brady being a Bay kid playing.
Speaker 1: So I liked. I liked so I actually even more. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you're you're refreshing me. So Tom was from my area,
Speaker 1: so I always I liked the pain. I had no
Speaker 1: clue that they were part of Boston though, I didn't
Speaker 1: know where New England was before I got there, so
Speaker 1: I got I didn't just like zero clue or he
Speaker 1: just knew it was generally fucking you know, like the
Speaker 1: pregame of Madden. I would play with the Patriots after
Speaker 1: like Tom won a Super Bowl and like oh one
Speaker 1: or something, and I'm like, where the fuck is this place.
Speaker 1: It's like in a forest, like there's no city, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. I didn't really know what New
Speaker 1: England was like that. And then you know, just I
Speaker 1: always rooted for Tom because he was from the like
Speaker 1: right where I grew up, and he was kind of
Speaker 1: the underdog, like the whole Michigan story. He had to
Speaker 1: play for his job, like that was all kind of
Speaker 1: known in the Bay.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And then also like Peyton Manning was the guy and
Speaker 1: everyone was hyping up him up and then Tom came
Speaker 1: and he was winning. Like I liked that story.
Speaker 5: Well, he he was kind of in that same like
Speaker 5: Boston Red Sox underdog in the first dynasty, was in
Speaker 5: that easy to root for a like loo care you know.
Speaker 5: And then the Bay connections, I'm assuming with just the
Speaker 5: Bay connection was everything. Good question.
Speaker 1: That was a really good question, you know.
Speaker 7: Man, Yeah, Julian Middleman, It's your boy much mean ween deceived.
Speaker 7: You see him playing about the games with Main Studio
Speaker 7: when the goodyear blink, you know, And I've been thinking
Speaker 7: about coming down there because there was something I gotta
Speaker 7: teach you. You know, I'm gonna bing you over my
Speaker 7: knee and take off this World Heavyweight championship, build you
Speaker 7: and beat you with it like you he should have you.
Speaker 7: You ain't gonna be able to handle with the macho
Speaker 7: mans doing for you to like the cream of the crupt. Yes,
Speaker 7: I'll get your leaders, little boy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no question, but pretty good macho?
Speaker 5: Was that just Jack too much Corse light?
Speaker 1: We gotta just we should start picking in a post
Speaker 1: segment picking. I just want to pick a macho man
Speaker 1: Randy Savage clip that I find and we just talked
Speaker 1: about it for two minutes, three minutes.
Speaker 5: Conon O'Briant. When when NBC and Universal merged years ago,
Speaker 5: when Con O'Brian was doing the Late Show whatever it
Speaker 5: used to be called, he had a Walker Texas Ranger
Speaker 5: level lever and every once in a while he just
Speaker 5: pulled the lever and just be the most random, hilarious
Speaker 5: Walker Texas Ranger clip. I feel like we could do
Speaker 5: that for macho man. Yeah, macho man lever I just.
Speaker 1: Saw I think I saw him skiing on the Alps last week.
Speaker 1: For my algorithm, that's because you were just skiing, skie.
Speaker 1: I'm about to show this mache this mache mountain. Who
Speaker 1: right there?
Speaker 5: Awesome? Uh we I'll tell you later. But there's a
Speaker 5: guest coming on that's doing a very deep cut WWE
Speaker 5: match coming up because he's a wrestler adjacent he we
Speaker 5: just got invited to the w the A e W
Speaker 5: event in Long Beach in a couple of weeks O
Speaker 5: A e W, m LW.
Speaker 1: Sorry MLW, considering I was only only a ww F
Speaker 1: guy and I just had to get to WWE anyone
Speaker 1: who did the WCW. I mean, I loved Goldberg, but
Speaker 1: he was the only one from WCW, and there was
Speaker 1: a couple of the other off brand ones. Okay, I'm
Speaker 1: just telling you. I'm a one brand guym one brand guy.
Speaker 1: WWF that turned into WWE.
Speaker 5: This my speak to my childhood. But when I think WWF,
Speaker 5: I do actually think the World Wildlife Federation. Because I
Speaker 5: had to post a picture. It was a sticker of
Speaker 5: a panda with WWF and my parents refrigerator. It's hard
Speaker 5: to believe they won anyway.
Speaker 6: Last voicemail, Hey, Jules, my dad and I have always
Speaker 6: wondered in Super Bowl forty nine, at right after the
Speaker 6: Malcolm Butler interception, Michael Bennett jumps off side.
Speaker 3: But what was the play call.
Speaker 5: In the huddle?
Speaker 6: Was it a QB sneak or was it something different?
Speaker 1: Thanks, that's a great question. I think I want to
Speaker 1: say it was a QB sneak because we needed to
Speaker 1: gain some rooms, like on like six you couldn't take
Speaker 1: a knee, so it was a QB sneak. We were
Speaker 1: actually tripping in the not tripping, but like on high alert,
Speaker 1: like boys, we need to execute this play. The game's
Speaker 1: not over. And you know, thankfully Mike jumped off sides
Speaker 1: and that was a game and then we had melee
Speaker 1: after melee and then it was fucking ww F out there.
Speaker 1: So but it was a QB sneak.
Speaker 5: That's something gets lost with that game is that after
Speaker 5: the interception wasn't just like confetti. There was that like
Speaker 5: balls on the six inch line. You gotta not have
Speaker 5: a safety here.
Speaker 1: Gronk and Michael just fucking throwing haymakers and it was
Speaker 1: kind of at the point where like I bet you
Speaker 1: at that point it was I'm thinking now, like looking
Speaker 1: back on it, you can probably get a couple of
Speaker 1: punches and you wouldn't get suspended.
Speaker 5: Why was Slater on the field.
Speaker 1: He's because he was always in the right tight diamond
Speaker 1: kill part of the field.
Speaker 5: So that but wasn't that isn't that, Neil, I.
Speaker 1: Think he may have been in it is also he
Speaker 1: would always be on there just because he would be
Speaker 1: the safety. Okay, if anything ever were to happen there
Speaker 1: was a fumbled snap, they somehow got it. He was
Speaker 1: like our fastest guy that could go get.
Speaker 5: Him, fastest smart on the field.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so we always put Slate on right tight diamond kill.
Speaker 1: Best playing football the knee, the knee.
Speaker 5: All right, before we wrap up, let's go some of
Speaker 5: you might know we've been doing YouTube premieres for full
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Speaker 1: Need Danny would head on the show? I agree, or
Speaker 1: you would be free.
Speaker 5: Right now? Nebraska, he's in Nebraska.
Speaker 1: He's probably golf and he's a great golfer. Danny's an
Speaker 1: unbelievable golfer, and he's a great dad. He's probably like
Speaker 1: him and his wife. They're like just a great they're
Speaker 1: such great Midwest people. They probably at a soccer event
Speaker 1: right now.
Speaker 5: Is Nebraska Midwest?
Speaker 9: Yeah, Nebraska's Midwest is Heartland different from Midwest? Yeah, I
Speaker 9: don't know, but I put the Yeah, it's all they're
Speaker 9: in the same. Yeah, okay, just delightful people.
Speaker 5: He's he's a top person that people recommend to have
Speaker 5: on the show.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we need to. I think he's he has his
Speaker 1: own shows and stuff.
Speaker 5: Yeah. I think she just had some stuff before. I
Speaker 5: would love to have Woody on give me some golfing tips. Yeah,
Speaker 5: I need a lot of them.
Speaker 1: He's dude. Woody is like scratch. I remember hearing about
Speaker 1: him when we were playing, and you know, he's got
Speaker 1: a lot more time on his hand to work on
Speaker 1: that ship, so he's probably fucking He didn't try to
Speaker 1: qualify a couple of times. I remember we tweeted for
Speaker 1: some shit for him.
Speaker 5: He was close. I think in the US Open I
Speaker 5: have to double check in that, but that was Aiden
Speaker 5: Lamir twenty one. Thanks for that comment, Drake Ankram.
Speaker 1: Episodes with both mccordy's would be dope. I think that
Speaker 1: would be amazing.
Speaker 5: Can you tell them apart?
Speaker 1: Yeah, easy, easy, I can easily tell them. I don't
Speaker 1: know why, but I can.
Speaker 5: When you know twins, it's actually super EASi and own part.
Speaker 5: It's just when you don't know him that it's hard.
Speaker 1: Jason, like in his eye area, like right here for
Speaker 1: podcasters that are listening, it's right here. If you look
Speaker 1: like I see it right in this area. Like the
Speaker 1: eyes a little different then that. The shape of the
Speaker 1: head is a little different too, shaved both, yeah, but
Speaker 1: shaped a little. And the voices are different too. I
Speaker 1: know the voice too, and the tones are different. The
Speaker 1: tones are Devin's an asshole tone, Jason's an informational tone.
Speaker 5: What's the difference between do you like an example of
Speaker 5: an asshole tone.
Speaker 1: I don't know Dev's Dev's they're just they're they're fucking
Speaker 1: they'd be amazing on the show because there's they're just
Speaker 1: those are the guys that smoke in front of the team.
Speaker 1: They could speak in front of people. Yeah, oh I
Speaker 1: love They're really good to watch too.
Speaker 5: Yeah, they're great at Bay Shaughnessy five three one for
Speaker 5: intelligence was key.
Speaker 1: The intelligence was the key to New England's dynasty. All
Speaker 1: these former pats are intelligent guys.
Speaker 5: Intelligent not reading. There's a fine line between those two.
Speaker 1: Doesn't mean you don't have to be a great reader
Speaker 1: to be intelligent. Yeah, completely agree, and me too. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean we had we haven't We had some smart guys. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean we had to. We were we were in
Speaker 1: class all day and like if you didn't do good
Speaker 1: on your test, you got fired. So guys you had
Speaker 1: to stick around. Guys had to be able to retain information.
Speaker 1: There's one you know what I mean. There we had.
Speaker 1: We had a really good group of guys. There wasn't
Speaker 1: that many assholes. Weren't many. I don't, I don't. There
Speaker 1: wasn't any really.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 1: There guys worked hard and that was that was a
Speaker 1: product of because of our leadership, the guys at the
Speaker 1: top up the Tom Brady's, no one else thought they could.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 1: You know, it's not cool when you roll up into
Speaker 1: the locker room like ten chains and fucking new. No,
Speaker 1: it's cool is when you roll up and you break
Speaker 1: down a coverage with the quarterback that you saw in
Speaker 1: the game, that he saw and create that conversation. That's
Speaker 1: fucking cool because you know what that turns into. That
Speaker 1: turns into another chain. Yeah, if he throws you the rock.
Speaker 5: Yeah. One of my favorite things about the show is
Speaker 5: that generally athletes and football players don't really have the
Speaker 5: opportunity to have a long form piece of media out there.
Speaker 5: So it's like you bring all these pages guys front
Speaker 5: office and players, and there's two three hours where they
Speaker 5: can talk and you can just talk football and you
Speaker 5: can really like dive into the intelligence of these guys.
Speaker 1: What's her name? But what's the name?
Speaker 5: Bay Shaughnessy five three?
Speaker 1: One? That's probably directed to Rid. She's like, man, Rid's
Speaker 1: a lot smarter than I thought he was.
Speaker 5: Why would you say that, Chiels, Why would you?
Speaker 1: I don't know, because he's a running back they probably
Speaker 1: ridd some funny ass dude. He didn't talk that much
Speaker 1: and that was his first podcast, so she probably saw
Speaker 1: the riddly episode. She said, like, man, I didn't think
Speaker 1: he was that smart, but he's pretty fucking smart.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and it's like, if Rid's that smart, how much? Yeah,
Speaker 5: we got to do more stuff with rad. He was great.
Speaker 5: He's got more stories too, He's the best. A couple
Speaker 5: more here da.
Speaker 1: J Morn, I know, get j Morn saw him es
Speaker 1: Court Genie in the opening shot. Funny dude and big
Speaker 1: sports guy. That was what a couple of weeks ago,
Speaker 1: and we were texting back and forth and I had
Speaker 1: to travel and we we got to do a pod swap.
Speaker 1: For sure. He's he's definitely a funny guy.
Speaker 5: I mean he's spent like twenty minutes going through like
Speaker 5: the Member billion everything roasting.
Speaker 1: He had a story on everything.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we got to get him on the show, and
Speaker 1: we got to do his show. Got Jenie bust before
Speaker 1: we got Tom Unreal, Yeah, I know, pretty unreal. Does
Speaker 1: the Bubble Championship really count? Yeah?
Speaker 5: Yeah? All the teams were there, right, you had to
Speaker 5: beat every team to win?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 5: Okay, last couple here a World's most hated three thousand.
Speaker 1: Congrats on half a MILLI cheers to a half a
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Speaker 5: We have five hundred thousand subscribers on YouTube.
Speaker 1: Let's fucking go.
Speaker 5: Thank you guys. That's all you guys.
Speaker 1: Hell yeah, World's most hated three thousand. Thanks for fucking see.
Speaker 1: I would never hate you for bringing that up. Why
Speaker 1: do you think the name is World's most hated?
Speaker 2: Is that?
Speaker 9: Like?
Speaker 5: I don't know. I don't have enough life for us
Speaker 5: to speculate.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I like him. I like him a lot. He's
Speaker 1: not hated three thousand.
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Speaker 5: But I think it's it's Jules is reading it right,
Speaker 5: it's Keegan, Michael Key right, but the comment is flipped,
Speaker 5: so you're right, but you're wrong. You're right, they're wrong,
Speaker 5: but you're just you know, it's a I'm Ron Burgundy
Speaker 5: moment here.
Speaker 1: Okay, right, Key Key, It's Key, It's Keegan Michael Key.
Speaker 5: They have it, Michael Kegan, Key, Michael Key, Keegan, No,
Speaker 5: it's it's Keegan Michael Key. Go see Transformers one great fuck.
Speaker 5: Go get an go get a Coney Island dog, isn't
Speaker 5: it It's funny? Yeah, he was good. This is just
Speaker 5: a new listener, right, These are like the last couple episodes.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you gotta you gotta go get get up in
Speaker 1: those weeds. Buhud ye go get the weeds and you'll
Speaker 1: see some real funny shit too.
Speaker 5: And then the last one. This is our top rad
Speaker 5: this is our top requested game. Now that we've done
Speaker 5: a lot of the Patriots Super Bowls, got to do
Speaker 5: Fight Night at the Joe. Darren McCarty will come on
Speaker 5: for sure, maybe Patrick wah We actually fun fact, we
Speaker 5: are talking with Darren McCarty. He wants to come on
Speaker 5: the show. It's scheduling. I also want to be greedy
Speaker 5: and get Claude lem you on too, But that'll happen.
Speaker 5: That's gonna happen, got it.
Speaker 1: We're we're full hockey podcast now.
Speaker 5: Dude, you know who reached out? I don't even know
Speaker 5: I should say this. You know who reached out? No, Yeah,
Speaker 5: Gretzky did, the NHL reached out, Oh, representing represent.
Speaker 1: Is Gretzy bigger than the NHL?
Speaker 5: No, no yet, They're like, it's Tom Brady bigger than
Speaker 5: the NFL the NFL. No, no, right, it's they are
Speaker 5: Is it Tom or Bill?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 5: You can't.
Speaker 1: They are joking. It was a joke.
Speaker 5: It's funny. But but the Stanley. But the NHL representing
Speaker 5: Lord Stanley Cup.
Speaker 1: Lord Stanley Cup might be on this couch here soon.
Speaker 5: I heard, huh, we'll see, we'll see, let's make a cup.
Speaker 5: But if it doesn't, we'll.
Speaker 1: Say you had fucking we had the basketball. Yeah, what
Speaker 1: was that one called Larry O'Brien. We've had Larry on Yeah,
Speaker 1: we're about to have Stanley. You can't even get old
Speaker 1: anywhere we had.
Speaker 5: This is what the NHL guy said. We had a
Speaker 5: Larry O'Brien trophy on games with names, But we can
Speaker 5: have the Stanley Cup on games with names.
Speaker 1: Oh, hockey getting her fingernails pretty dirty there, And that
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