WEBVTT - UFC 52 with Chuck Liddell | Randy Couture vs. Chuck Liddell ll 0:00:00.160 --> 0:00:01.760 Do you follow any other sports? 0:00:01.880 --> 0:00:03.760 Football? Probably probably the biggest. 0:00:03.760 --> 0:00:04.440 Who's your team? 0:00:04.640 --> 0:00:08.039 Green Bay Packer? I actually I worked the Super Bowl 0:00:08.080 --> 0:00:12.040 when they played Denver in San Diego on an event 0:00:12.080 --> 0:00:14.280 staff so I could go to the game. Oh shitbox 0:00:14.360 --> 0:00:17.120 at the time, but I was kipib but knowing who 0:00:17.120 --> 0:00:19.440 that was and I and then fast forward twenty ten, 0:00:19.480 --> 0:00:22.840 I was in a fieldbox and they asked me afterwards, 0:00:22.880 --> 0:00:24.200 you want to you want to come on the field. 0:00:24.280 --> 0:00:27.800 You're like, yeah, come on, yeah, yeah, of course I 0:00:27.800 --> 0:00:29.840 want to go on if I come on the field. 0:00:30.160 --> 0:00:32.199 And they just wanted my team now that just won 0:00:32.280 --> 0:00:34.479 the Super Bowl. And I got players asking me for 0:00:34.520 --> 0:00:36.560 a picture with their families after they just won the 0:00:36.560 --> 0:00:38.680 Super Bowl. So I just that was the first time 0:00:38.680 --> 0:00:40.600 I asked you went man came a long way in 0:00:40.640 --> 0:00:41.240 twelve years. 0:00:41.280 --> 0:00:45.120 That's like such an underdog, awesome story. Welcome to Games 0:00:45.120 --> 0:00:48.319 with Names. I'm Julian Edelman, They're Jack and Kyler, and 0:00:48.360 --> 0:00:50.120 we're on a mission to find the greatest game of 0:00:50.159 --> 0:00:54.040 all time or this the greatest fight of all time. 0:00:54.400 --> 0:00:58.240 And on today's episode, we are covering the UFC fifty 0:00:58.320 --> 0:01:04.080 two Couture versus Lddell two with Hall of Famer and 0:01:04.120 --> 0:01:08.200 one of the goats of the sport, the Iceman himself, 0:01:08.760 --> 0:01:13.680 Chuck Laddell, and we get into talking his legendary rivalry 0:01:13.720 --> 0:01:15.319 with Randy Couture. 0:01:15.760 --> 0:01:16.440 Great opponent. 0:01:16.480 --> 0:01:18.920 I mean, it's a really tough guy, really good dirty boxing, 0:01:19.080 --> 0:01:20.280 good wrestlings control. 0:01:20.520 --> 0:01:23.280 If Chuck could beat Mike Tyson in a street fight. 0:01:23.319 --> 0:01:25.800 See on one shot. After that, he always felt like 0:01:25.800 --> 0:01:27.040 I could. I could beat anybody. 0:01:27.200 --> 0:01:30.760 And how his entourage cameo came to be. 0:01:31.240 --> 0:01:33.600 I asked everybody I knew to get they can get 0:01:33.640 --> 0:01:35.480 me on the show. I just want to walk on 0:01:35.600 --> 0:01:36.400 the AID events. 0:01:36.440 --> 0:01:38.360 And then we hit the old chill line in this 0:01:38.440 --> 0:01:42.360 week's Chill Zone, presented by cors like you gotta stick 0:01:42.400 --> 0:01:46.160 around to the very end. Games with Names the production 0:01:46.280 --> 0:01:54.080 of iHeartRadio April sixteenth, two thousand and five MGM Grand Arena, 0:01:54.320 --> 0:01:56.160 Las Vegas, Nevada. 0:01:56.440 --> 0:01:59.560 It's in two years to make this rematch a reality, 0:02:00.080 --> 0:02:04.320 but it only took one round for the Iceman to finish. 0:02:04.360 --> 0:02:04.600 Shit. 0:02:05.520 --> 0:02:15.480 This is the Iceman comeing. 0:02:16.320 --> 0:02:23.400 I wanted I let you go first. Welcome to Games 0:02:23.400 --> 0:02:26.920 with Names. We have a very special guest. We have 0:02:27.040 --> 0:02:31.840 Chuck Liddell in the nuthouse to talk about the UFC 0:02:32.000 --> 0:02:37.919 fifty two match between Couture and Laddell two two at 0:02:37.960 --> 0:02:41.560 the height of what UFC was gonna become. This was 0:02:41.639 --> 0:02:44.680 like the This was the you know when you're starting 0:02:44.680 --> 0:02:47.880 a fire or your coals and you throw that goddamn 0:02:47.919 --> 0:02:50.760 lighter fluid on there. That's what this was for the UFC. 0:02:51.160 --> 0:02:54.640 Chuck Welcome to the nuthouse. In one sentence, why'd you 0:02:54.680 --> 0:02:55.320 pick this fight? 0:02:56.160 --> 0:02:59.200 I wanted revenge and I wanted the title. My manager 0:02:59.240 --> 0:03:02.080 at the time quick over me insisting on taking this 0:03:02.280 --> 0:03:04.960 to doing the show to get the chant title. 0:03:05.000 --> 0:03:05.840 I get another. 0:03:05.560 --> 0:03:08.359 Title shot because I'd lost the first time and if 0:03:08.360 --> 0:03:10.760 I ran it and my there was an argument between 0:03:10.760 --> 0:03:12.240 me and he wanted more money on this. 0:03:12.360 --> 0:03:13.120 I said, I don't care. 0:03:13.160 --> 0:03:15.400 I want the title and if I don't, if I 0:03:15.440 --> 0:03:17.959 do the show, I get the title. They're trying to 0:03:17.960 --> 0:03:19.720 add two fights at the end of my deal or whatever. 0:03:20.000 --> 0:03:22.000 So it was for me to do it because I 0:03:22.000 --> 0:03:23.880 would have been it would have this fight would have 0:03:23.880 --> 0:03:27.840 been the last fight on my deale. But yeah, it 0:03:27.880 --> 0:03:29.720 was like, I wanted to be the world champ, only 0:03:29.760 --> 0:03:30.440 the best in the world. 0:03:30.680 --> 0:03:32.480 You want to be the title, Is this the greatest 0:03:32.480 --> 0:03:33.200 fight of all time? 0:03:33.639 --> 0:03:34.360 That I don't know. 0:03:34.720 --> 0:03:37.000 We ask every guest. That's just one of the things. 0:03:36.840 --> 0:03:37.560 I don't know. 0:03:37.760 --> 0:03:40.280 But when people ask me all the time, they asked me, 0:03:40.320 --> 0:03:42.200 what's your favorite fight of all time? And if I 0:03:42.400 --> 0:03:44.360 could have put a lot of great fights out there, 0:03:44.360 --> 0:03:47.000 and a lot of fights again the audible mention, but 0:03:47.120 --> 0:03:48.040 if I had to pick. 0:03:47.840 --> 0:03:49.640 One, this is it because it was the first time 0:03:49.640 --> 0:03:51.320 you got to experience that, that title. 0:03:51.360 --> 0:03:52.760 And I did it the way I like to do it, 0:03:53.560 --> 0:03:55.800 clean knockout, and I did how we planned it. 0:03:55.840 --> 0:03:59.440 We had everything worked perfect, clean knockout. We'll jump into it. 0:03:59.760 --> 0:04:02.240 That's freaking awesome. What are you up to these days? 0:04:03.640 --> 0:04:04.480 Raising my kids? 0:04:04.600 --> 0:04:04.800 Uh? 0:04:04.960 --> 0:04:08.760 Doing I do some uh you know, Colon line, King 0:04:08.800 --> 0:04:12.000 of Violence doing uh, doing those alcohols reaction videos. 0:04:12.000 --> 0:04:12.760 Those are kind of fun. 0:04:12.840 --> 0:04:13.080 Yeah. 0:04:13.160 --> 0:04:14.600 It was just kind of having fun with it, you know, 0:04:14.720 --> 0:04:15.440 doing different things. 0:04:15.480 --> 0:04:19.480 I do some movies, some TV, do some stuff, commentating, 0:04:19.520 --> 0:04:22.160 some here and there, just whatever. Yeah, I mean, kind 0:04:22.160 --> 0:04:24.880 of trying to have fun and enjoy my retirement. 0:04:25.200 --> 0:04:28.840 Enjoying retirement. It's never really retirement though you're transitioning. It's 0:04:28.880 --> 0:04:30.720 always like transitioning to other ship. 0:04:30.880 --> 0:04:34.560 You can't not someone that's driven as much as athletes are. 0:04:34.680 --> 0:04:37.200 It's it's you're it's a you know, you retire at 0:04:37.240 --> 0:04:39.680 a young age for you know, and you want to 0:04:40.080 --> 0:04:42.280 you want to do something you know you can't. You 0:04:42.839 --> 0:04:46.039 sitting around being done last for a very short amount 0:04:46.080 --> 0:04:47.920 of time, and the brain just starts going, what am I? 0:04:48.000 --> 0:04:50.120 What am I doing? Why am I? You need something 0:04:50.120 --> 0:04:50.720 to drive you. 0:04:50.720 --> 0:04:54.160 So you need something to stimulate, especially with athletes, like 0:04:54.200 --> 0:04:56.440 for me my first year out, I was it was tough. 0:04:57.000 --> 0:05:00.320 You know, you experience everything, you had, everything scared jeweled 0:05:00.360 --> 0:05:02.680 out since you were fucking eight years old, you've been 0:05:03.000 --> 0:05:04.680 you had a team, you were a part of, you 0:05:04.760 --> 0:05:07.200 had something you you were, you were, you were going for. 0:05:07.120 --> 0:05:07.800 You always working. 0:05:08.160 --> 0:05:09.880 There was always that and for me, like I'm a 0:05:10.080 --> 0:05:12.560 I'm a maniac, you know, I always was. So there's 0:05:12.600 --> 0:05:16.040 always that something to draw me back, like I still 0:05:16.080 --> 0:05:18.560 have this goal. I'm gonna be world champ. I want 0:05:18.560 --> 0:05:20.240 to be the best in the world. I want to 0:05:20.279 --> 0:05:23.960 do these things. So that's always there guiding me, like 0:05:24.080 --> 0:05:26.560 keeping me under, reeling me back here because I just say, 0:05:26.560 --> 0:05:28.279 oh yeah, I take a bunch of time off after 0:05:28.360 --> 0:05:30.160 five I never took a bunch of time. I have 0:05:30.160 --> 0:05:32.600 a week off, maybe week and a half, and then 0:05:32.600 --> 0:05:35.919 we're just me. Being off was like being back in 0:05:35.960 --> 0:05:38.559 the gym and me not being the focus, just working 0:05:38.600 --> 0:05:40.640 with my guys or someone else has a fight coming up, 0:05:40.640 --> 0:05:41.560 I'm working on them. 0:05:41.680 --> 0:05:43.520 But I was always training, always training. 0:05:43.640 --> 0:05:45.039 Yeah, I'm always getting ready for something. 0:05:45.320 --> 0:05:49.960 Now you said, maniac, you're a maniac. I I I 0:05:50.760 --> 0:05:52.719 you know, from the outside looking in, that's what it 0:05:52.720 --> 0:05:56.640 looks like. How did this maniac develop? Like tell us 0:05:56.640 --> 0:05:59.760 about a young Chuck Liddell and Santa Barbara, But tell 0:05:59.800 --> 0:06:02.760 us about young Chuck Liddell Santa Barbara were the maniac 0:06:03.880 --> 0:06:06.279 that didn't have a dad, that was raised by his 0:06:06.400 --> 0:06:09.880 grandfather and his mother and his grandma. Like tell us 0:06:09.880 --> 0:06:12.560 about young Chuck Liddell and how this maniac became? 0:06:12.920 --> 0:06:15.640 You know, honestly, I just really like fighting. I liked 0:06:15.720 --> 0:06:20.080 I liked martial arts. I liked I started watching Coachoo 0:06:20.120 --> 0:06:22.240 heroes young, and I begged my mom and let me. 0:06:22.520 --> 0:06:24.000 I was trying to learn how to books for a 0:06:24.000 --> 0:06:26.120 while and trying to beg my mom and let me 0:06:26.120 --> 0:06:29.880 start doing doing karate and started learning to martial arts 0:06:29.920 --> 0:06:32.839 and she finally let me do it and I started, 0:06:32.880 --> 0:06:34.800 and you know, I just picked on a little bit 0:06:34.839 --> 0:06:37.000 when I was young and learned to was told not 0:06:37.080 --> 0:06:39.600 to fight, so but I did so I didn't. And 0:06:39.680 --> 0:06:41.760 the principal actually called my mom and said, like, you know, 0:06:41.920 --> 0:06:44.159 these kids are beating him up every day, like you know, 0:06:44.200 --> 0:06:46.360 and he I asked him why he didn't defend himself 0:06:46.400 --> 0:06:48.000 and he said, you said he can't. 0:06:48.440 --> 0:06:50.359 You're not He's not out to fight, so he wouldn't, 0:06:51.000 --> 0:06:51.200 you know. 0:06:51.360 --> 0:06:53.159 So they're like and they were actually taking my lunch 0:06:53.240 --> 0:06:55.440 money and for you know, I wouldn't give it to them, 0:06:55.440 --> 0:06:56.800 so they'd have to take it. Until I kind of 0:06:56.800 --> 0:06:58.800 looked back at that, it's kind of, hey, you're gonna 0:06:58.839 --> 0:07:00.440 take it. We're gonna take it, but I can't fight 0:07:00.480 --> 0:07:02.480 you back. Yeah, And then my mom said, you know, 0:07:02.600 --> 0:07:04.080 you can't start a fight, but you can go ahead 0:07:04.080 --> 0:07:06.960 and finish it. My grandpa started working with me on fighting. 0:07:07.000 --> 0:07:09.720 And grandpa's a little nuts but you know, from Brooklyn 0:07:09.760 --> 0:07:12.960 and grew up tough, and you know, he started I mean, 0:07:13.240 --> 0:07:18.400 he showed me how to knife fight and got like like, okay, 0:07:18.520 --> 0:07:20.600 I'm a little young for that, but all right, but yeah, 0:07:20.680 --> 0:07:23.040 I don't know, but uh, you taught me how to fight, 0:07:23.040 --> 0:07:26.600 and I like fighting, and I just like fighting a lot, 0:07:26.760 --> 0:07:28.760 and going up through high school, I fought a lot. 0:07:28.800 --> 0:07:30.160 And he'll be surprised of me. You know. 0:07:30.160 --> 0:07:32.720 See, guys, the guys are fighting. You'll see that that 0:07:32.880 --> 0:07:35.120 don't that didn't get fights growing up. You know that 0:07:35.120 --> 0:07:37.720 that weren't. That wasn't their thing. Yeah, but I fought 0:07:37.760 --> 0:07:40.000 a lot, but usually I always said it. I never 0:07:41.120 --> 0:07:43.880 I never start a fight. I never let you out 0:07:43.920 --> 0:07:44.320 of it. 0:07:44.200 --> 0:07:45.000 Really easy either. 0:07:45.240 --> 0:07:47.920 I figured that about twenty one twenty two. You got 0:07:48.040 --> 0:07:50.080 to give guys out. I'm not gonna let you do 0:07:50.120 --> 0:07:52.040 something I want you to do. But you know, but 0:07:52.280 --> 0:07:55.000 back then I'd be like, hey, man, hey, you don't 0:07:55.000 --> 0:07:56.440 want to fight you, but but I will. 0:07:57.320 --> 0:07:58.960 Well, well, I got no problem with you. Was you 0:07:59.160 --> 0:07:59.560 I gotta do? 0:07:59.640 --> 0:07:59.800 Now? 0:08:00.760 --> 0:08:02.440 You were gonna beat him up? Right? He doesn't want 0:08:02.440 --> 0:08:04.560 to fight, but I'll fight you. Why did you fight me? 0:08:05.560 --> 0:08:05.760 Make it? 0:08:05.880 --> 0:08:07.800 Either put their table, tain legs or throw a punch? 0:08:08.440 --> 0:08:09.960 So he said a lot, did a lot of that, 0:08:10.040 --> 0:08:11.160 did a lot of fighting growing up. 0:08:11.720 --> 0:08:14.800 Now I was I was reading about you, and I 0:08:14.880 --> 0:08:17.440 was doing all our research. I was I was infatuated 0:08:17.480 --> 0:08:19.920 with Your relationship with your grandpa reminded me a lot 0:08:19.960 --> 0:08:22.520 of your upbringing reminded me a lot of my dad. 0:08:22.560 --> 0:08:24.680 My dad didn't have his pop. He was with his 0:08:24.760 --> 0:08:26.840 mom only. He didn't have grandpa around, but he had 0:08:26.840 --> 0:08:28.800 an older brother. I was kind of like that, so 0:08:29.440 --> 0:08:32.319 had that Like, what role did your grandpa play in 0:08:32.360 --> 0:08:32.920 all of this? 0:08:33.520 --> 0:08:33.840 Well? 0:08:34.120 --> 0:08:36.160 A lot of it, I think, man, I keep thinking, right, 0:08:36.160 --> 0:08:37.760 how did he get me to feel the way he 0:08:37.840 --> 0:08:41.840 made me feel? Like? One thing I wasn't like like, 0:08:42.080 --> 0:08:44.880 my grandpa's always proud of me. Like, if if you 0:08:44.960 --> 0:08:46.920 give you a hundred, I don't care what you're doing. 0:08:47.200 --> 0:08:49.920 You give it a one hundred percent, you lose. No one 0:08:49.960 --> 0:08:53.199 can ask more from him. You know, I'm proud he's 0:08:53.240 --> 0:08:54.959 proud of you. You know, you out there win, lose draw. 0:08:54.960 --> 0:08:57.319 As long as you go out there and bust your ass, 0:08:57.800 --> 0:08:59.600 he doesn't care you ot to dog it. 0:08:59.600 --> 0:09:02.880 He's gonna be mad. Growing up with my grandmother. 0:09:03.080 --> 0:09:04.920 You know, there's one thing I other things I was 0:09:05.000 --> 0:09:07.240 never afraid of him, man, in my life never happened. 0:09:07.400 --> 0:09:09.880 People always ask me that, what worry if you can 0:09:10.080 --> 0:09:11.760 you're walking to a bar and trying to peer out 0:09:11.760 --> 0:09:16.600 which guys you might not why I don't care. You know, 0:09:16.640 --> 0:09:19.280 you commit a fighting of fans, we're fighting. You do 0:09:19.320 --> 0:09:20.959 something I'm not gonna allow you to do. I don't 0:09:21.000 --> 0:09:22.479 want you to do. I'm going to stop. 0:09:22.240 --> 0:09:24.040 You or I'm not. 0:09:24.320 --> 0:09:27.520 And you know, I just never cared, like I've never 0:09:27.760 --> 0:09:31.480 never worried about anybody like that. And and it was 0:09:31.559 --> 0:09:33.720 something but the way my grandpa brought me, you know, 0:09:34.000 --> 0:09:35.520 a lot of times it was just through stories and 0:09:35.559 --> 0:09:37.520 telling stories and telling a story. At one time he 0:09:38.280 --> 0:09:39.920 rolled up in a bar, up to a bar fight, 0:09:40.200 --> 0:09:42.240 and it was there late his buddy all beat up. 0:09:42.240 --> 0:09:45.480 The cops showed up and arrested him, and they said, said, 0:09:45.520 --> 0:09:48.720 I said to him, oh, well, we figured you must 0:09:48.720 --> 0:09:50.240 have been on the other side because you don't have 0:09:50.280 --> 0:09:54.040 a mark on you. So I'm like, I'm like, to me, 0:09:54.160 --> 0:09:57.400 that's what that meant, you know, Like he was reminded 0:09:57.480 --> 0:09:58.119 me and. 0:09:57.880 --> 0:09:58.640 My Grandma's guy. 0:09:58.679 --> 0:10:00.880 He always believed in me, always thought I thought I 0:10:00.880 --> 0:10:03.880 could do anything, you know, and that confidence I you know, 0:10:04.000 --> 0:10:06.600 I die for him, you know, trying to trying to 0:10:06.640 --> 0:10:08.560 prove I can do what he said, what he thinks 0:10:08.559 --> 0:10:11.839 I can do, you know, so, you know, but having 0:10:11.880 --> 0:10:16.320 that confidence and that being comfortable with I like with 0:10:16.360 --> 0:10:18.800 the consequences, Like I don't care, like you gotta understand, 0:10:18.800 --> 0:10:21.400 Like if we decided to fight in the street, I 0:10:21.440 --> 0:10:23.040 don't care what happens to me, and I don't care 0:10:23.080 --> 0:10:26.520 what happens to you. That's just it's not. I don't 0:10:26.640 --> 0:10:28.360 I don't want to. I'm not a violent person. I 0:10:28.400 --> 0:10:30.400 don't like to attack me. I don't want to find anybody. 0:10:30.720 --> 0:10:33.679 But if you, if you want to fight, I mean 0:10:33.720 --> 0:10:35.520 I like fighting. I like fighting as a sport, like 0:10:35.520 --> 0:10:37.360 trying to show you I better than you. You want to, 0:10:37.559 --> 0:10:39.560 you want to, Hey, can we who's better? Let's go, 0:10:39.960 --> 0:10:40.640 Let's go and do it. 0:10:41.200 --> 0:10:41.400 You know. 0:10:41.440 --> 0:10:43.040 I I love doing that. But I don't want to 0:10:43.080 --> 0:10:43.680 hurt anybody. 0:10:43.679 --> 0:10:46.120 And that's not something I like. It's not And if 0:10:46.120 --> 0:10:49.079 I decide that, I don't understand. If I decided to 0:10:49.080 --> 0:10:52.000 throw a punch at you then attack you, I don't 0:10:52.000 --> 0:10:54.360 You've done something pretty bad if you're attacking my family, 0:10:54.520 --> 0:10:59.320 my friends, my kids, you know, somebody, somebody I really 0:10:59.320 --> 0:11:02.600 care about war and usually not me, because I mean, 0:11:02.640 --> 0:11:04.679 if I can just defend myself pretty. 0:11:04.400 --> 0:11:07.600 Well, Yeah, so no one's fucking with you. I'll tell 0:11:07.640 --> 0:11:10.560 you that. I love that. I love that. Your grandpa 0:11:10.840 --> 0:11:12.920 he was basically in your corner. He was he was 0:11:13.000 --> 0:11:14.160 he was a guy that pushed you. 0:11:14.520 --> 0:11:15.720 Oh, I would joke about that. 0:11:15.960 --> 0:11:19.920 I someone because I did my podcast and he asked me, 0:11:20.040 --> 0:11:21.080 like I told the story. 0:11:21.120 --> 0:11:24.199 My grandpa said, he's a I was nineteen years old. Man, 0:11:24.200 --> 0:11:25.240 you could beat that my tyson. 0:11:25.280 --> 0:11:25.439 Guy. 0:11:25.480 --> 0:11:26.800 That was when Tyson on the top of the world. 0:11:27.000 --> 0:11:29.040 You could beat that my tyson. I have a gaps. 0:11:32.880 --> 0:11:35.040 But you know, I think it's the funny thing was 0:11:35.200 --> 0:11:39.000 now nowadays it's it's a funny thing like who'd wanted 0:11:39.000 --> 0:11:43.600 a street fight? Miya Tyson's and and I was, he's 0:11:43.600 --> 0:11:45.079 one of the guys. I say, wow, he's got he's 0:11:45.120 --> 0:11:48.520 got one shot on the land. Yeah, as we're closing 0:11:48.520 --> 0:11:50.720 the distance, he on one shot after that, if I 0:11:50.720 --> 0:11:53.280 get hold on, it's over. But I don't want but 0:11:53.360 --> 0:11:56.120 if he catches that shot, and now for boxing, I 0:11:56.120 --> 0:11:56.840 don't I'm not. 0:11:56.960 --> 0:11:57.920 I'm in a little trouble. 0:11:58.000 --> 0:11:59.839 But he put that in your head and he let 0:11:59.880 --> 0:12:01.200 you manifest that ship. 0:12:01.280 --> 0:12:03.280 He always felt like I could I could beat anybody. 0:12:03.400 --> 0:12:06.640 Now do you do you what's your sports fandom. Do 0:12:06.720 --> 0:12:08.320 you follow any other sports? 0:12:08.920 --> 0:12:10.880 Football? Probably the probably the biggest. 0:12:11.040 --> 0:12:11.760 Who's your team? 0:12:12.320 --> 0:12:13.240 Green Bay Packers? 0:12:13.440 --> 0:12:15.200 By the Packers, That's. 0:12:15.000 --> 0:12:16.000 Always the funny question. 0:12:16.040 --> 0:12:18.560 But it came down I was, I want to bet 0:12:18.600 --> 0:12:23.480 with my grandfather. Uh, he's he's been on the RAMS, 0:12:23.480 --> 0:12:25.160 and the Green Bay was not supposed to win. 0:12:25.200 --> 0:12:27.520 I won a game against my grandfather. 0:12:28.120 --> 0:12:31.040 And then right after that, guy, this guy, Roger mcnami 0:12:31.200 --> 0:12:35.120 was giving out hatstar our football team and said what's 0:12:35.120 --> 0:12:37.480 your favorite football team? And I didn't have one, really O. 0:12:37.640 --> 0:12:40.520 I was like, you know, Packers, Green Bay, you know, 0:12:40.600 --> 0:12:42.760 And and I stuck with it, and I stayed there. 0:12:42.760 --> 0:12:45.000 And that was when the Bears were big. I graduated 0:12:45.040 --> 0:12:51.760 eighty eight. Yeah, and the big uh you know, frigerator, refrigerator. 0:12:51.240 --> 0:12:53.360 Perry and all Niners were awesome. 0:12:53.679 --> 0:12:56.120 Yeah, and I know I was a Green Bay man. 0:12:56.160 --> 0:12:58.000 I stuck it, stuck it out, I actually. 0:12:57.960 --> 0:13:00.880 And I was. I tell the story that now. I worked. 0:13:01.000 --> 0:13:03.880 I worked the Super Bowl when they when they when 0:13:03.880 --> 0:13:08.079 they played Denver in San Diego on an event event staff, 0:13:08.120 --> 0:13:08.360 so I. 0:13:08.280 --> 0:13:10.440 Could go to the game. Oh ship box at the time, 0:13:10.480 --> 0:13:13.160 but I was kick by but knowing who that was, 0:13:13.400 --> 0:13:14.280 and I was my buddy. 0:13:14.480 --> 0:13:16.600 My buddy was doing the event staff, and he's like, 0:13:16.920 --> 0:13:18.680 you want to work or want to put you on 0:13:18.679 --> 0:13:20.959 the fifty yard line in the stands, but your fifth 0:13:21.080 --> 0:13:24.199 yard line front row and. 0:13:24.600 --> 0:13:26.319 You can watch Super Bowl. So I go. I went 0:13:26.360 --> 0:13:27.000 to the Super. 0:13:26.840 --> 0:13:30.680 Bowl and watch the lose, and then and I and 0:13:30.720 --> 0:13:33.040 then fast forward twenty ten. I was in a field 0:13:33.080 --> 0:13:36.040 box and they asked me afterwards, you want to you 0:13:36.040 --> 0:13:38.520 want to come on the field. You're like, yeah, Parashitt 0:13:38.520 --> 0:13:40.400 in the woods, come on, yeah, yeah, yeah, of course 0:13:40.440 --> 0:13:43.080 I go on if I come on the field. And 0:13:43.240 --> 0:13:45.080 they just wanted my team now that just won the 0:13:45.080 --> 0:13:47.280 Super Bowl. And I got players asking me for a 0:13:47.320 --> 0:13:49.680 picture with their families after they just won the Super Bowl. 0:13:49.720 --> 0:13:51.680 So I just that was the first time I asked 0:13:51.720 --> 0:13:54.079 you what man came a long way in twelve years? 0:13:54.160 --> 0:13:56.920 Yeah, I mean it was ninety eight to look at 0:13:56.920 --> 0:14:00.720 that he was working the game as security of his 0:14:00.800 --> 0:14:03.959 favorite team, the Green Bay Packers. To the next time 0:14:04.000 --> 0:14:06.839 they get up in there with Aaron Rodgers, I think 0:14:06.880 --> 0:14:08.720 gate rod asked him for a pick. He said, I 0:14:08.720 --> 0:14:11.400 want Chuck Leadell picture for the Super Bowl. That's fucking 0:14:12.000 --> 0:14:16.240 that's like such an underdog, awesome story. Any other sports. 0:14:16.720 --> 0:14:19.240 Yeah, I'll watch just about anything. Yeah, I like all 0:14:19.240 --> 0:14:19.920 the fighting sports. 0:14:19.960 --> 0:14:20.960 Are you watching fighting now? 0:14:21.080 --> 0:14:24.360 Yeah? Well I love fighting. I still love boxing, kickboxing. 0:14:23.880 --> 0:14:26.200 And who is the fighter right now that you're like 0:14:26.240 --> 0:14:28.120 that dude a badass motherfucker. 0:14:27.960 --> 0:14:32.200 Alex where he's a beast. Yeah, I love watching him fight. 0:14:32.360 --> 0:14:34.520 I think I got robbed his last fight. But yeah, 0:14:34.680 --> 0:14:37.400 I mean you can't the way they I don't know 0:14:37.840 --> 0:14:39.440 who was watching that fight they got one of those 0:14:39.480 --> 0:14:41.440 judges had four rounds to one. I don't know what 0:14:41.680 --> 0:14:43.960 fight he was watching, but yeah, yeah, you know that 0:14:44.280 --> 0:14:46.560 just he got zero takedown. Dude, Like, how do you 0:14:46.600 --> 0:14:49.640 get that control against the cage for a minute in 0:14:49.680 --> 0:14:51.280 the last round? How do you give him the last round? 0:14:51.320 --> 0:14:53.720 I don't know, it just it was it was pretty bad. 0:14:54.000 --> 0:14:55.040 Yeah did you. 0:14:55.080 --> 0:14:58.560 Haven't rewatched it yet, but in person, that just it 0:14:58.600 --> 0:14:59.600 looks like it looked terrible. 0:14:59.600 --> 0:15:03.440 It looked bad, bad decision. That's why there's so much 0:15:03.480 --> 0:15:07.200 objectiveness in these sports. I don't there's so much great 0:15:07.440 --> 0:15:12.320 in like boxing, fighting, fucking Russian judges and Olympics. 0:15:12.680 --> 0:15:13.440 I think fighting. 0:15:14.120 --> 0:15:16.160 A big problem with that too, is like it's harder 0:15:16.160 --> 0:15:19.800 at judge wrestling if you've never wrestled, yeah, jiu jitsu. 0:15:19.840 --> 0:15:22.560 We've never done jiu jitsu. You know, it's just there 0:15:22.560 --> 0:15:26.520 are hard things to to really quantify. What's what's what's 0:15:26.600 --> 0:15:28.520 real control, what's just holding on to a guy? Like 0:15:28.600 --> 0:15:30.520 I got I can watch and watch the guy. Yeah, 0:15:30.520 --> 0:15:32.640 I gots just hold the guy. He's not really trying 0:15:32.640 --> 0:15:34.400 to do anything. He's just trying to He's killing time 0:15:34.480 --> 0:15:38.720 right there, just just relaxing and killing time. But he's 0:15:38.720 --> 0:15:41.160 doing anything much now. Yeah, so you get a little 0:15:41.160 --> 0:15:44.120 slight ass for that. But like you know, or like 0:15:44.160 --> 0:15:48.800 an attempted submission, what an attempt was if it's close, okay, 0:15:49.080 --> 0:15:51.040 but a guy just trying one, that doesn't count. 0:15:51.400 --> 0:15:54.240 What to that count? For people trying to get for 0:15:54.240 --> 0:15:55.840 a while, they're they're trying to make that count. 0:15:55.960 --> 0:15:58.080 Like for just it's like me throwing a punch and 0:15:58.120 --> 0:16:00.360 you give me credit for it, just gonna through it, 0:16:00.600 --> 0:16:03.320 you get close to landing, but it actually it points for. 0:16:03.480 --> 0:16:06.320 Yeah, now you wrestled in high school. 0:16:06.440 --> 0:16:08.600 That's a high school in college and. 0:16:08.640 --> 0:16:10.720 You fell in love with how how did you fall 0:16:10.760 --> 0:16:11.520 in love with wrestling? 0:16:12.560 --> 0:16:14.920 I just I just like actually was forced to do 0:16:15.000 --> 0:16:18.400 it by my football coach karate before I did kate, 0:16:18.480 --> 0:16:21.680 before I started when I was twelve, was fourteen, my 0:16:22.240 --> 0:16:25.440 sophomore year in high school. Our basically our football coach said, 0:16:25.600 --> 0:16:29.520 are you doing anything else? Are you playing basketball or 0:16:29.560 --> 0:16:32.640 anything in the winter sport? No, you're wrestling. 0:16:34.560 --> 0:16:36.920 It because you got to think about this, like Chuck 0:16:37.040 --> 0:16:41.400 is legit probably like this generation of UFC was like 0:16:41.440 --> 0:16:43.960 the first like blood sport type fighter that like, you 0:16:44.000 --> 0:16:46.200 put any kind of fighter in a ring and we 0:16:46.240 --> 0:16:48.840 see who's the best one coming out, And it's cool 0:16:48.840 --> 0:16:51.120 to see how it was developed because look, he did 0:16:51.160 --> 0:16:54.800 karate of twelve twelve to whatever, and then he started 0:16:54.800 --> 0:16:58.320 doing wrestling until he's naturally getting all these fucking skills. 0:16:58.480 --> 0:17:00.560 And here's the thing back then, that was one of 0:17:00.520 --> 0:17:02.960 the bantages I had in the beginning, because when I 0:17:03.000 --> 0:17:06.280 came into the sport, everybody was coming from one discipline. 0:17:06.760 --> 0:17:08.040 And there's basically three disciplines. 0:17:08.080 --> 0:17:11.800 Right, there's striking different all the different rating, there's submissions 0:17:12.040 --> 0:17:14.679 for on the ground, and then' there's wrestling with the 0:17:14.880 --> 0:17:20.359 transition between standing and ground and and everybody's had one 0:17:21.040 --> 0:17:23.640 and was trying to learn the other two. I had 0:17:23.680 --> 0:17:26.840 the advantage of coming in and knowing two and being 0:17:26.880 --> 0:17:27.520 pretty good at. 0:17:27.480 --> 0:17:30.840 Two and and having to learn one. 0:17:31.400 --> 0:17:34.000 And like I was, I mean I was a fifty 0:17:34.040 --> 0:17:35.560 to fifty wrestler in college. 0:17:36.000 --> 0:17:37.880 I mean I bought random and he could. 0:17:37.920 --> 0:17:40.439 He didn't take me down, but he if we wrestled 0:17:40.440 --> 0:17:43.879 a straight wrestling match, he was national champion year I 0:17:44.000 --> 0:17:46.280 was a year when I was fifty. You know, had 0:17:46.320 --> 0:17:50.119 a fifty five hundred records. Yeah, you know, so, I 0:17:50.160 --> 0:17:51.600 mean he would have taken me to any but you 0:17:51.600 --> 0:17:52.920 know I had he had to give me a littlet 0:17:52.960 --> 0:17:55.399 of extra distance because I mean I hit hard, I 0:17:55.400 --> 0:17:59.439 had throw punches when you get close, and and I was, 0:17:59.640 --> 0:18:01.640 but I was able to defend his takedown and knock 0:18:01.680 --> 0:18:01.959 him out. 0:18:02.000 --> 0:18:04.480 And if so, it's one of those things. 0:18:04.480 --> 0:18:07.679 It's just like you know, me coming in with all, 0:18:07.840 --> 0:18:10.400 like coming in with two and only after a concentrated 0:18:10.480 --> 0:18:13.080 learning one, and then I made made the conscious effort 0:18:13.320 --> 0:18:17.040 to learn just a small like to concentrate mostly on 0:18:18.040 --> 0:18:20.560 a smaller portion of that thing. I wasn't because I 0:18:20.560 --> 0:18:23.080 wasn't gonna be slick enough to catch guys at the 0:18:23.119 --> 0:18:25.200 level I was started. I started fighting in the UFC, 0:18:25.400 --> 0:18:27.560 so I wouldn't be slick enough to catch people at 0:18:27.560 --> 0:18:28.119 that level. 0:18:29.320 --> 0:18:30.920 I'm not going to take me too long to learn 0:18:30.920 --> 0:18:31.480 to be that good. 0:18:31.520 --> 0:18:35.280 So I just worked on getting out and standing up 0:18:35.280 --> 0:18:35.959 from that position. 0:18:36.040 --> 0:18:38.440 And like I you know, like I do different different things. 0:18:38.480 --> 0:18:40.560 Like Buddy showed me how to roll to a knee bar, 0:18:40.560 --> 0:18:42.760 and I figured out, if I get halfway through roll 0:18:42.840 --> 0:18:45.240 to that neebar and they're defending the kneebar, I just 0:18:45.280 --> 0:18:47.480 pulled my leg out and stand up and it worked 0:18:47.480 --> 0:18:50.159 really great. So I would I would catch guys my 0:18:50.240 --> 0:18:51.320 surprise a lot back then. 0:18:51.800 --> 0:18:54.520 So yeah, now did you see any of your rest 0:18:54.760 --> 0:18:57.280 Like what position you playing football? Were you a linebacker? 0:18:58.040 --> 0:18:59.560 I mean you got it. He gotta be a linebacker. 0:19:00.119 --> 0:19:02.800 So did you do you think you got any of 0:19:02.840 --> 0:19:06.320 your striking or your fucking explosiveness from learning how to tackle? 0:19:06.480 --> 0:19:10.560 Everything played into it. Yeah, and I like to hit 0:19:10.680 --> 0:19:11.800 that one of my things. 0:19:11.840 --> 0:19:15.120 But I played with Steve Neil and he he didn't 0:19:15.119 --> 0:19:18.920 play football in college. You have you heard Steve Neil 0:19:19.000 --> 0:19:23.280 was a badass, motherfucking wrestler, and yeah, he played Misfield. Yeah, 0:19:23.280 --> 0:19:26.200 he Bakersfield. He's a big Bakersfield guy. And he didn't 0:19:26.240 --> 0:19:27.680 know it. He didn't play any football. 0:19:27.720 --> 0:19:29.760 He came out, I would to tell poll, So, yeah, 0:19:29.840 --> 0:19:32.760 that's we. 0:19:32.800 --> 0:19:33.479 Run all that time. 0:19:33.680 --> 0:19:36.000 We packed that but yeah, uh we were packed ten 0:19:36.040 --> 0:19:37.680 and technically for wrestling. 0:19:37.840 --> 0:19:40.399 Yeah, and he's the only reason they still have wrestling 0:19:40.400 --> 0:19:43.280 because he still feeds the fucking program bro Like but like, 0:19:43.760 --> 0:19:45.399 it's just so crazy because he was one of the 0:19:45.440 --> 0:19:48.000 most athletic guys I've ever seen on the field. 0:19:48.240 --> 0:19:50.600 Like he's one of those heavyweight wrestlers that wrestled like 0:19:50.720 --> 0:19:52.160 a one eighteen founder exactly. 0:19:52.640 --> 0:19:55.399 It's normally a little bit a little bit slower, different, 0:19:55.560 --> 0:19:57.800 different style of wrestling. You know, you get bigger, styles 0:19:57.840 --> 0:20:00.399 get different, right, he was wrestling at he does the 0:20:00.440 --> 0:20:02.080 heavyweight I could think a one ag bounder. 0:20:02.160 --> 0:20:04.520 And that's how he got on the linebackers. He got 0:20:04.560 --> 0:20:07.560 on linebackers at the second level. Really good lineman. Getting 0:20:07.560 --> 0:20:09.760 to the second level is the tough part is getting 0:20:09.800 --> 0:20:12.640 to those fast fucking linebackers, you know, battling with those 0:20:12.680 --> 0:20:15.040 big boys they could do that, so they got to 0:20:15.200 --> 0:20:17.320 bounce off that guy and get to that second level 0:20:17.359 --> 0:20:19.679 and try to catch a fast guy. And Steve was 0:20:19.720 --> 0:20:22.200 so fucking good at that. It's probably because of all 0:20:22.200 --> 0:20:22.520 the rest. 0:20:22.800 --> 0:20:25.320 Oh yeah, wrestling transfer that way really well because that 0:20:25.400 --> 0:20:28.040 is the body on body contact. That's why, like for me, 0:20:28.200 --> 0:20:30.400 like as a coach, when I was doing it, and 0:20:30.440 --> 0:20:33.240 you get guys from different different things, I always said, 0:20:33.240 --> 0:20:36.199 give me an All American wrestler, you know, because I 0:20:36.240 --> 0:20:38.439 got a guy that I know, he's mentally tough. I 0:20:38.480 --> 0:20:40.080 know he knows how to cut weight and make weight, 0:20:40.800 --> 0:20:43.800 and he's got skills that I'm never gonna be able 0:20:43.800 --> 0:20:44.440 to teach guys. 0:20:44.720 --> 0:20:46.760 Yeah, I don't have time. You could. 0:20:46.760 --> 0:20:49.600 I could teach a striker to wrestle and to wrestle 0:20:49.680 --> 0:20:52.199 for revme, but you're never gonna have the time to 0:20:52.200 --> 0:20:53.960 teach them some of the natural stuff that they the 0:20:54.040 --> 0:20:56.840 reps that they're gonna get, those reps that they got 0:20:56.920 --> 0:20:57.439 growing up. 0:20:57.480 --> 0:20:58.439 And they those. 0:20:58.320 --> 0:21:00.399 Guys in there there the hips and that, different different 0:21:00.400 --> 0:21:03.600 things that they do for wrestling, so and and that, 0:21:03.760 --> 0:21:04.919 and that's an element that makes it. 0:21:05.280 --> 0:21:07.160 I can, you know, I can teach those guys. Most 0:21:07.160 --> 0:21:09.000 of those guys, my wrestlers. 0:21:08.640 --> 0:21:10.400 That come in, I teach them in six to six 0:21:11.080 --> 0:21:13.480 months a year to stay at any submissions that most 0:21:13.520 --> 0:21:15.959 got the average most fighters are going to run into 0:21:16.080 --> 0:21:17.960 going to put them in and then just because they 0:21:18.720 --> 0:21:21.159 because they can they can stay on top. Yeah, and 0:21:21.240 --> 0:21:23.200 they can stay on top. It's there, and they're they're 0:21:23.240 --> 0:21:23.840 tough up there. 0:21:24.040 --> 0:21:26.760 So you you think that the wrestling base is always 0:21:26.760 --> 0:21:27.760 the best space to start. 0:21:28.280 --> 0:21:29.359 It's the easiest base. 0:21:29.560 --> 0:21:32.240 It's like foundation. Actually it's a foundation. 0:21:31.960 --> 0:21:34.480 And it's and it's harder to learn when you're older, Yeah, 0:21:34.600 --> 0:21:37.320 because because the reps, it takes it and wrestling is 0:21:37.320 --> 0:21:38.400 hard to take down. 0:21:38.680 --> 0:21:40.000 That's hard on your body. 0:21:39.800 --> 0:21:42.600 And like the I bet like the hip mobility and 0:21:42.640 --> 0:21:45.600 stuff being in those awkward positions like I'm a sprinter, 0:21:45.680 --> 0:21:47.760 so I have no fucking hit move like I can't 0:21:47.760 --> 0:21:49.679 do any of that. But watching like wrestlers and you 0:21:49.680 --> 0:21:52.679 guys getting in those fucking things, like when you do 0:21:52.760 --> 0:21:55.000 that at a younger age, the more muscle you put on, 0:21:55.119 --> 0:21:59.280 the older you get, it probably transis it's used to it, 0:21:59.359 --> 0:22:02.840 You're us to it. Yeah, that's fucking crazy. When's the 0:22:02.880 --> 0:22:04.560 first time you realized you had heavy hands? 0:22:04.840 --> 0:22:07.359 I knew from from finding the street and stuff, like 0:22:07.359 --> 0:22:08.840 I can knock people out. I knocked a lot of 0:22:08.840 --> 0:22:13.119 people out growing up, and you know, just knowing that 0:22:13.200 --> 0:22:17.119 I could that one bunch knockout was not you know, 0:22:17.600 --> 0:22:19.400 it took me a minute to find it. So John 0:22:19.480 --> 0:22:22.560 really helped me with that. Ackleman helped me refine my 0:22:22.600 --> 0:22:25.080 s like and to get my timing down a little 0:22:25.080 --> 0:22:27.200 more and little I always had that. 0:22:27.080 --> 0:22:29.000 Pop on my elbows and stuff. 0:22:29.040 --> 0:22:32.040 But just find being able to land those punches and 0:22:32.119 --> 0:22:33.119 land those heavy punches. 0:22:33.760 --> 0:22:35.040 It was a lot from John. 0:22:35.200 --> 0:22:37.840 Yeah, do you remember the first time you got punched 0:22:37.840 --> 0:22:38.280 in the face? 0:22:38.960 --> 0:22:40.400 No, that white too long. 0:22:41.080 --> 0:22:43.480 I say the same thing I say say I don't 0:22:43.520 --> 0:22:47.680 remember my first hit at all. It sparked something. 0:22:47.880 --> 0:22:50.320 Yeah, I love finding guys that don't like getting it. Yeah, 0:22:50.520 --> 0:22:52.880 because you got those guys. No, but no, no one 0:22:52.880 --> 0:22:55.680 really likes getting it. Okay that that I say you 0:22:55.680 --> 0:22:57.199 don't like it. What I mean by I don't like 0:22:57.200 --> 0:23:02.760 getting it is that they react overreact to maybe getting hit. 0:23:03.400 --> 0:23:07.439 So when you start, it's way too easy for a 0:23:07.440 --> 0:23:09.280 good striker. It's way too easy for you to side 0:23:09.280 --> 0:23:12.199 a guy out. Brock Lesser watching him like he's so 0:23:12.240 --> 0:23:15.280 afraid to get hit, and now that being sad, that 0:23:15.320 --> 0:23:19.560 guy's all hard like Shane Carman fight when he got 0:23:19.760 --> 0:23:23.240 when he got dropped him surviving and just keep fighting 0:23:23.240 --> 0:23:25.960 and going and trying to win after getting dropped like that. 0:23:25.960 --> 0:23:28.560 That's that's all hard, that's hard. But he still had 0:23:28.560 --> 0:23:31.000 that fear of getting hit like it's a it's a 0:23:31.040 --> 0:23:34.200 weird thing to get used to it. Don't try. Don't 0:23:34.200 --> 0:23:36.600 convert from wrestling. That's the other thing I can't give you. 0:23:36.880 --> 0:23:37.200 I can't. 0:23:37.240 --> 0:23:39.280 I'm not willing to teach you to be mentally tough 0:23:40.240 --> 0:23:42.919 if you come to me to fight and I and 0:23:43.000 --> 0:23:44.440 I'm not able to give you a chance. 0:23:45.119 --> 0:23:47.119 When did you know you wanted to make fighting a career? 0:23:47.520 --> 0:23:49.560 Oh, it was just kind of I kind of just 0:23:49.640 --> 0:23:50.120 kept going. 0:23:50.119 --> 0:23:53.119 I just graduated a great rite call I was kickbatching, 0:23:53.119 --> 0:23:56.639 to keep continuing from just to keep competing while I was. 0:23:56.760 --> 0:23:58.600 While I was doing it, when did a kickboxing come? 0:23:58.720 --> 0:24:01.400 So we went to college, finish wrestling in ninety three, 0:24:01.640 --> 0:24:04.879 started kickboxing, just kind of keep competing while I was 0:24:05.200 --> 0:24:08.760 while I was, uh finished up school. I finished school 0:24:08.920 --> 0:24:12.919 in ninety five. But then I was an accounting major and 0:24:13.000 --> 0:24:16.200 I was, you know, kind of working in the bar 0:24:17.040 --> 0:24:21.840 fighting train, training every day fighting. You know, Ah, maybe 0:24:21.840 --> 0:24:24.240 I'm gonna try this fighting thing for a little while now. 0:24:25.280 --> 0:24:27.879 There what was where could you fight. At that time 0:24:28.080 --> 0:24:30.520 when you're thinking of this, was UFC was coming around. 0:24:30.880 --> 0:24:33.359 UFC came in ninety three three, right, so you're ninety 0:24:33.400 --> 0:24:34.640 five box, but it's still new. 0:24:34.880 --> 0:24:36.600 It's new, and it wasn't I wasn't even thinking about 0:24:36.640 --> 0:24:39.159 actually the runs on. Neil by that time was already 0:24:39.200 --> 0:24:41.679 telling me, I should you do UFC? And I'm like, 0:24:42.480 --> 0:24:43.879 I don't know. I don't know how to get inn 0:24:44.160 --> 0:24:47.040 Like anybody like they talk about talk about it, but 0:24:47.080 --> 0:24:48.040 no one knew how to get into it. 0:24:48.119 --> 0:24:48.280 Yeah. 0:24:48.280 --> 0:24:49.640 I didn't know how to get into it back then. 0:24:49.760 --> 0:24:52.800 Yeah, there's no Internet, there's no social media, there's no 0:24:53.160 --> 0:24:54.720 there's no easy way to find out. 0:24:54.560 --> 0:24:56.280 Where to go to get there's no information. 0:24:56.359 --> 0:24:58.400 I was actually got to the point in ninety seven 0:24:58.440 --> 0:25:00.879 where I was gonna about right to like say, you 0:25:00.880 --> 0:25:03.040 know what, I gotta my grandma's give me a hard time. 0:25:03.080 --> 0:25:04.600 I got to really go get a real job. 0:25:05.119 --> 0:25:07.080 I was talking to John about it, and I was like, 0:25:07.840 --> 0:25:09.400 you know, I don't I don't know if we're gonna 0:25:09.400 --> 0:25:11.399 go overseas and fight and kick kickboxing. You had to 0:25:11.400 --> 0:25:15.000 go overseas and make any money, and and I don't 0:25:15.000 --> 0:25:16.200 know if we're gonna get I don't know if it's 0:25:16.200 --> 0:25:19.880 gonna get there, and so I'm like maybe. And then someone, actually, 0:25:19.960 --> 0:25:22.879 this guy Nick one kick plongering in Vegas, asked me 0:25:22.920 --> 0:25:24.840 if I want to do a mixed fight on one 0:25:24.880 --> 0:25:27.960 of his shows, so open hand, palm strike like pancers, 0:25:27.960 --> 0:25:31.159 old school rules, and and I went out and I 0:25:31.240 --> 0:25:33.720 was like, okay, sure, why not, I'll do one more fight, 0:25:33.760 --> 0:25:36.160 you know, like before I go look for a real job. 0:25:36.720 --> 0:25:38.760 And I was laying it as much as I could, 0:25:40.080 --> 0:25:42.119 so when I went out there, and I went out 0:25:42.160 --> 0:25:43.840 there and went up, by the time I got there, 0:25:43.880 --> 0:25:45.680 it was you could only slap with this part of 0:25:45.720 --> 0:25:47.840 her hand where you could kick kick that, and then 0:25:47.840 --> 0:25:50.480 once you hit the ground it was no striking. But 0:25:50.520 --> 0:25:52.680 I'm like when I was finding a jiu jitsu guy, 0:25:52.680 --> 0:25:55.480 I guess and I'm like, okay, no problem. So I 0:25:55.520 --> 0:25:57.480 went out and I wound up kicking the guy in 0:25:57.480 --> 0:25:58.720 the head and knocking him out. 0:25:58.960 --> 0:26:03.720 And some guy asked me, right after something, you want 0:26:03.760 --> 0:26:07.479 fight in the UFC. I said, yeah, sure, let's try it. 0:26:07.960 --> 0:26:11.560 So they offered me an alternate spot in the tournament 0:26:12.240 --> 0:26:14.800 for one thousand dollars to go out, and the tournament 0:26:14.840 --> 0:26:16.280 was twenty five grand if you want it. But it 0:26:16.359 --> 0:26:18.560 was a thousand bucks to show up and fight one fight, 0:26:18.760 --> 0:26:20.439 and then you're the alternates of the tournament. So if 0:26:20.440 --> 0:26:22.560 we get in, and they said five out of last 0:26:22.600 --> 0:26:24.879 seven got in, so if I got in, there'd be 0:26:24.960 --> 0:26:28.119 either ten thousand or twenty thousand, I think twenty five or. 0:26:28.119 --> 0:26:30.280 Whatever, and so I okay, perfect. 0:26:30.280 --> 0:26:31.880 So I went and did that and I just kind 0:26:31.880 --> 0:26:34.560 of fell in love with doing it and I want 0:26:34.640 --> 0:26:38.080 up you know. That was that was in ninety eight 0:26:38.160 --> 0:26:41.320 UFC seventeen and uh, I won my fight, didn't get 0:26:41.320 --> 0:26:44.760 into didn't get into the tournament. I tried to talk 0:26:45.119 --> 0:26:47.560 Henderson out of fight in the second round, but because 0:26:47.560 --> 0:26:48.720 they asked me, what do you think you should do? 0:26:48.800 --> 0:26:50.320 His legs kind of beat up for that first fight, 0:26:50.359 --> 0:26:52.840 and I'm like, you know, the best thing would me 0:26:53.000 --> 0:26:56.520 is to hold off the next time. Maybe maybe you 0:26:56.560 --> 0:26:58.520 shaid like I think they don't know if they figured 0:26:58.520 --> 0:27:01.480 out that I was not giving advice, but I was 0:27:01.480 --> 0:27:03.480 starting to talk about it fighting that about because I 0:27:03.480 --> 0:27:03.960 wanted to fight. 0:27:04.359 --> 0:27:08.200 Hell yeah, now, John Heckelman, that's got to be one 0:27:08.200 --> 0:27:10.960 of your guys that like he kind of kind of 0:27:11.000 --> 0:27:13.000 like in that Grandpa role where he told you, Hey, 0:27:13.040 --> 0:27:15.840 he kind of like you can do this ship, you 0:27:15.880 --> 0:27:17.600 should do this ship, or he guided you. 0:27:17.640 --> 0:27:17.920 I don't know. 0:27:18.760 --> 0:27:22.400 Yeah, always there, He's always there. You know, he's still 0:27:22.400 --> 0:27:24.800 we're still friends. You know he's still we're still training. 0:27:25.000 --> 0:27:27.840 Still come up and train with him. Yeah, he's my 0:27:28.080 --> 0:27:29.960 he was my coach the whole time, and he really helped. 0:27:30.640 --> 0:27:33.280 Like he wasn't traveling, wasn't working with me as much 0:27:33.400 --> 0:27:35.560 in the right in the beginning, and tend a man, 0:27:35.600 --> 0:27:37.359 I need your help strike because we was doing the 0:27:37.400 --> 0:27:39.639 mixed ma front stuff. He's like, didn't know if he 0:27:39.840 --> 0:27:42.320 fit in that much. I need you, I need you 0:27:42.359 --> 0:27:45.320 to come back. I'm not knocking guys out exactly, see 0:27:45.359 --> 0:27:48.080 what see what's off because like he was one of 0:27:48.119 --> 0:27:50.560 the guys I like from me. I would not dropping 0:27:50.560 --> 0:27:53.000 guys with my body shot, my little shot. You know, 0:27:53.040 --> 0:27:57.200 I'd be missing and he'd be like, oh change that 0:27:57.280 --> 0:28:00.200 angle though, you just ang a little more up. Okay, 0:28:00.720 --> 0:28:05.360 Oh thanks John, drop one guy's barn and okay. 0:28:05.080 --> 0:28:08.080 That he was your magi. Yeah, he was your mister miagi. 0:28:08.280 --> 0:28:08.920 Yeah for sure. 0:28:09.119 --> 0:28:11.560 When's the first time you meet Dana White, don't know. 0:28:11.520 --> 0:28:12.720 Exactly I I met him. 0:28:12.800 --> 0:28:15.440 Uh, I was trained and trained with Tito a little bit, 0:28:15.480 --> 0:28:18.240 and it's when we trained trained the other he was 0:28:18.359 --> 0:28:22.280 managing Tino, and he actually told Dan, hey, man, he 0:28:22.400 --> 0:28:25.320 managed you like him all watch this guy. You know 0:28:25.840 --> 0:28:27.960 guys see Chuck, because I used to beat Tito up 0:28:28.000 --> 0:28:30.440 all the time and train it. Yeah, like I could 0:28:30.440 --> 0:28:32.000 beat him with wrestling. I could beat it at dour 0:28:32.119 --> 0:28:34.720 styles match well for him. Yeah, I beat him in 0:28:34.720 --> 0:28:36.680 a straight wrestling. I beat him in a ju match. 0:28:37.080 --> 0:28:39.120 I mean, he's probably better at submitting people than I was, 0:28:39.160 --> 0:28:41.520 but I still I don't score him. And it's match 0:28:42.240 --> 0:28:44.000 meet him. Every time when he wrestled, I beat him, 0:28:44.360 --> 0:28:46.040 and every time we struck, I beat him like I 0:28:46.280 --> 0:28:47.720 dropped on body a bunch of times. 0:28:47.800 --> 0:28:49.240 And he's the face of the lead. 0:28:49.560 --> 0:28:50.000 He wasn't. 0:28:50.000 --> 0:28:51.640 He wasn't the face of that, but he was when 0:28:51.640 --> 0:28:54.360 they because they hadn't taken it over yet, because it 0:28:54.440 --> 0:28:55.080 was our manager. 0:28:55.280 --> 0:28:57.640 So he's just your manager manager at that time. So 0:28:57.720 --> 0:29:02.400 you you meet him through Tito ish Uh, through Wayne Harriman, 0:29:02.480 --> 0:29:04.960 Wayne Harriman, and so then you start training with Tito, 0:29:05.040 --> 0:29:06.880 and then all of a sudden, Dana's like, who the 0:29:06.880 --> 0:29:08.560 fuck is this guy beating the shotut of my guy? 0:29:08.680 --> 0:29:10.880 And then uh so let me go. When did the 0:29:11.520 --> 0:29:14.360 did everything? They bought and they want to buy in 0:29:14.360 --> 0:29:14.680 the OC? 0:29:15.280 --> 0:29:17.320 You know, how was he as a manager great? 0:29:17.440 --> 0:29:19.160 And he was the first guy like going out and 0:29:19.160 --> 0:29:21.040 try to get other things like he was trying to 0:29:21.080 --> 0:29:23.520 get us in like not just like black Belt magazine 0:29:23.640 --> 0:29:26.760 or whatever, starting to get his fitness magazines or get 0:29:26.760 --> 0:29:29.719 different He was trying to get better exposure, more stuff. 0:29:30.040 --> 0:29:32.360 Yeah he was. He was getting into different markets. 0:29:32.520 --> 0:29:33.040 Yeah he was. 0:29:33.080 --> 0:29:36.320 He was really And then when he you know, I think, 0:29:36.360 --> 0:29:38.080 I mean, I don't like to speak for him, but 0:29:38.120 --> 0:29:40.880 I think they went they they The way I understood 0:29:40.880 --> 0:29:42.920 it back then was they were he was looking at 0:29:43.000 --> 0:29:45.000 him and then were talking about doing a boxing promotion 0:29:45.480 --> 0:29:47.480 and they decided, you know, hey, why don't we just 0:29:47.560 --> 0:29:50.880 do why don't we do this that's not being run right, 0:29:50.960 --> 0:29:53.200 Let's do it the right way. And so they got 0:29:53.240 --> 0:29:55.400 it and then they suck a bunch of money to 0:29:55.400 --> 0:29:57.440 do it and then it took off. 0:29:57.720 --> 0:30:01.440 So did the relationship change once he became like pretty 0:30:01.480 --> 0:30:02.600 much the president. 0:30:02.800 --> 0:30:05.080 Well, when they when they bought the company, he had 0:30:05.080 --> 0:30:08.120 to at least and actually he had by his old 0:30:08.160 --> 0:30:11.040 lawyer actually who did my legal stuff for during it 0:30:11.080 --> 0:30:14.520 as his manager. But he became my manager and then 0:30:14.720 --> 0:30:18.920 he actually quit over me taking the Ultimate Fighter deal 0:30:20.000 --> 0:30:23.200 because you're old manager. Oh man, imagine a quick quick 0:30:23.240 --> 0:30:26.160 quit because over that, because he's not because he thought 0:30:26.200 --> 0:30:29.360 I wasn't. I wasn't trusting him with the stop. I mean, 0:30:29.360 --> 0:30:31.320 I get it, but it was like I said, no, 0:30:31.440 --> 0:30:33.400 we got to do this. I want that title. Yeah, 0:30:33.840 --> 0:30:36.640 it's guaranteed me as the title shot, and it's it's 0:30:36.640 --> 0:30:37.560 gonna be on free TV. 0:30:37.680 --> 0:30:38.920 We have to we have to do this. 0:30:39.240 --> 0:30:42.040 Yeah, what's Dana White mean to the UFC? 0:30:42.600 --> 0:30:43.720 We wouldn't be here today. 0:30:44.000 --> 0:30:46.720 Like what I tell people all the time, people whatever 0:30:46.720 --> 0:30:49.000 they want to say about him about money and all 0:30:49.000 --> 0:30:51.800 that stuff. When when I came into the sport, when 0:30:51.800 --> 0:30:53.880 I loved it and I moved it, I mean a 0:30:53.960 --> 0:30:56.720 home run was making under fifty grand a year. By 0:30:56.720 --> 0:30:59.120 the end of my career, like I was making up 0:30:59.160 --> 0:31:02.080 over one hundred fifty of my shorts, you know. I mean, 0:31:02.120 --> 0:31:04.400 I mean they've gone away from that now too, but 0:31:04.400 --> 0:31:06.200 but I got I was mad. I was making more 0:31:06.240 --> 0:31:09.240 than that in the sponsorship, you know, And and not 0:31:09.520 --> 0:31:11.440 that and by the way that home run was making, 0:31:11.480 --> 0:31:13.720 it was fighting three times that year to make that 0:31:13.760 --> 0:31:17.160 one fifty. That's like that was you were the top guys. 0:31:18.720 --> 0:31:21.320 We wouldn't have advance as far. We wouldn't be here 0:31:21.400 --> 0:31:23.200 if it wasn't for them. I mean, I think it 0:31:23.240 --> 0:31:25.920 would have eventually got here without those fighter or not 0:31:26.000 --> 0:31:27.760 without all the things that they did. 0:31:27.840 --> 0:31:28.800 To promote the sport. 0:31:29.000 --> 0:31:32.640 And I think we wouldn't We would have gotten here 0:31:33.240 --> 0:31:36.440 because it's a great sport, but I think we would 0:31:36.520 --> 0:31:38.000 we would still be fighting to get here. 0:31:38.840 --> 0:31:41.200 We wouldn't be here yet, you know. It's it's it's 0:31:41.240 --> 0:31:41.880 one of those things. 0:31:41.880 --> 0:31:44.520 It's like I I remember we were we went around, 0:31:44.520 --> 0:31:47.240 we were doing all these things, just trying to get 0:31:47.280 --> 0:31:50.760 We're going to Boston Boston Globe asking pegging them to 0:31:50.760 --> 0:31:53.760 put us in the leisure section, you know, not they 0:31:53.880 --> 0:31:56.360 they weren't even covering us in the sports sections, and 0:31:56.480 --> 0:31:58.720 they was just to put us anywhere. I thought it 0:31:58.760 --> 0:32:01.320 was funny when they called me few years later and 0:32:01.400 --> 0:32:03.360 asked me for where I liked to vacation for their 0:32:03.400 --> 0:32:07.880 leisure section. After We've been there trying to trying to 0:32:08.400 --> 0:32:10.520 break in it, just to just get coverage. But we 0:32:10.760 --> 0:32:11.960 and that was one of the things for me that 0:32:12.040 --> 0:32:14.000 actually I think helped me cross over a little more 0:32:14.040 --> 0:32:17.000 with with fans and stuff like that. We were doing 0:32:17.040 --> 0:32:18.440 all this tuff man, you did a good job of 0:32:18.520 --> 0:32:21.400 marketing yourself. No, I wasn't marketing me. I was trying 0:32:21.400 --> 0:32:24.920 to market our sport. I was trying to get dance 0:32:24.920 --> 0:32:27.040 through the stars. I did that because it's a different 0:32:27.080 --> 0:32:29.440 democratic and I wanted to see us. And there were 0:32:29.480 --> 0:32:32.560 not a bunch of Neanderthals, you know, because that's one 0:32:32.560 --> 0:32:34.720 of the things we're fighting in the beginning, was just 0:32:34.720 --> 0:32:35.600 a bunch of guys. 0:32:35.400 --> 0:32:37.080 That fell off a part stool and wanted to fight. 0:32:38.920 --> 0:32:40.320 Nothing else to do to do this. 0:32:40.440 --> 0:32:42.640 I'm like, you know, I had a college degree, I 0:32:42.640 --> 0:32:45.360 got gone to have an accountant if I wanted to. I 0:32:45.400 --> 0:32:47.480 didn't want to. I liked I like fighting, I like 0:32:47.560 --> 0:32:51.560 training doing martial arts. I like I like the sport. 0:32:51.880 --> 0:32:55.920 It's freaking Dana White Blue bitch up. Yeah, he blew 0:32:55.960 --> 0:32:56.600 the bitch. 0:32:56.400 --> 0:32:59.280 Up, But that that was he was always trying to 0:32:59.320 --> 0:33:01.240 promote it making And. 0:33:01.160 --> 0:33:03.720 Look where we're at now. We're at ten eleven, twelve 0:33:03.800 --> 0:33:06.840 b now, and I mean it's on ESPN's it's so 0:33:06.920 --> 0:33:11.240 crazy because during this whole time, especially UFC fifty two, 0:33:11.280 --> 0:33:13.720 when this match took place in two thousand and five, 0:33:13.760 --> 0:33:15.959 I mean, I was in high school. I remember like 0:33:16.120 --> 0:33:19.080 starting to learn about the UFC. My brother loved it. 0:33:19.800 --> 0:33:22.400 And now, like you go to a high school now 0:33:22.960 --> 0:33:26.400 everyone's talking about UFC on the clips on Instagram to 0:33:26.480 --> 0:33:29.320 this that, I mean, it's a major sport. Now, it's 0:33:29.320 --> 0:33:31.480 a fucking major I would call I would consider it 0:33:31.520 --> 0:33:34.080 a major. It's in the Big five. 0:33:34.160 --> 0:33:34.320 Now. 0:33:34.600 --> 0:33:39.240 They created themselves to be in over boxing. It's killing 0:33:39.320 --> 0:33:42.680 boxing right now. Really took advantage of COVID two. COVID 0:33:42.800 --> 0:33:45.920 was huge. It's fucking awesome. We got chuck La down here. 0:33:48.680 --> 0:33:52.120 We'll be right back after this quick break, Let's go 0:33:52.200 --> 0:33:54.640 back into a segment where we go back into time 0:33:54.640 --> 0:33:58.840 when the fight took place. This fight took place April sixteen, 0:33:58.960 --> 0:34:01.640 two thousand and five, when we go over pop culture 0:34:02.200 --> 0:34:04.800 and we just talk about what was going on. Number 0:34:04.800 --> 0:34:06.920 one movie, What is that? 0:34:07.080 --> 0:34:10.520 Amityville horror starring Ryan Reynolds and Philip Baker Hall. Michael 0:34:10.520 --> 0:34:12.560 Bay produced it. It was a remake of a nineteen 0:34:12.560 --> 0:34:15.239 seventy nine film adaptation from a book by Jay Arson. 0:34:15.280 --> 0:34:18.480 Budget nineteen million, gross, one hundred and seven point five. 0:34:18.600 --> 0:34:20.799 Did you see that? I actually never saw it. 0:34:20.880 --> 0:34:22.920 I never saw that one either, Chuck, it's scary. I 0:34:23.040 --> 0:34:26.160 was never a horror movie guy, me either. 0:34:26.680 --> 0:34:29.279 I just so one of those things that I don't 0:34:29.400 --> 0:34:32.800 They don't scare me usually, and usually it's like I 0:34:32.800 --> 0:34:35.600 remember one watching one Brad Penny told me to watch 0:34:35.640 --> 0:34:37.879 that's scared. I'm the things like, oh hey man, it's 0:34:37.920 --> 0:34:39.760 kind of creepy movie, and this guy's kidnapping. 0:34:39.840 --> 0:34:40.880 I was, and then this guy. 0:34:40.680 --> 0:34:45.000 Starts wrestling with the like the boogie man guy, like 0:34:45.080 --> 0:34:46.239 it's actually wrestling with him. 0:34:46.280 --> 0:34:48.920 Like, okay, that's over it. If I can survive that, 0:34:49.320 --> 0:34:50.520 I killed that guy. 0:34:51.160 --> 0:34:54.839 Chuck Liddell doesn't watch scary movies. Scary movies, watch Chuck Liddell. 0:34:56.120 --> 0:34:59.920 Exactly exactly. I watched The Exorcists when I was thirt 0:35:00.000 --> 0:35:03.440 thirteen years old. I slept with my parents for two 0:35:03.480 --> 0:35:06.520 weeks after that. I was fucking terrified. The Extorus just 0:35:06.600 --> 0:35:09.719 fucked me up. And Chucky. When I was young, I 0:35:09.719 --> 0:35:11.520 had an older brother used to do a bunch of fucking. 0:35:11.680 --> 0:35:13.560 He was seven years older, so he used to fuck 0:35:13.600 --> 0:35:15.919 with me, So I don't like scary movies either. Chuck, 0:35:16.239 --> 0:35:19.080 I'm with you, Candy Shop. We all knew that with 0:35:19.200 --> 0:35:23.359 fifty cent that was especially that was high school. 0:35:23.400 --> 0:35:24.600 Baby, this is senior year for you. 0:35:24.920 --> 0:35:27.839 This is like senior year. I think this is when 0:35:27.840 --> 0:35:29.680 Tom Cruise jumped on Oprah's couch. 0:35:29.840 --> 0:35:30.120 Yeah. 0:35:30.239 --> 0:35:32.200 Is this when he went scientology went kind of? 0:35:33.000 --> 0:35:34.960 I think he's always been scientilog. 0:35:34.880 --> 0:35:37.359 He went a little. He's still cool. I still watch 0:35:37.440 --> 0:35:40.239 all his movies. I'll support the shit out of YouTube 0:35:40.719 --> 0:35:42.239 came out in two thousand and five. 0:35:42.440 --> 0:35:45.080 The first video ever was posted on YouTube. It was 0:35:45.080 --> 0:35:47.239 titled Me at the Zoo, was uploaded by one of 0:35:47.280 --> 0:35:50.040 YouTube's co founders. It was a nineteen second video of 0:35:50.120 --> 0:35:51.719 him standing next to elephants at a zoo. 0:35:52.120 --> 0:35:55.680 Interesting and now we watch fucking like chickens take dumps, 0:35:55.680 --> 0:36:00.000 and over fucking a billion people will watch that because 0:36:00.160 --> 0:36:00.400 of that. 0:36:00.840 --> 0:36:01.920 Yeah, it is crazy. 0:36:02.080 --> 0:36:08.000 It's fucking nuts. NBA champion San Antonio Spurs MVP Steve Nash, 0:36:08.000 --> 0:36:12.000 he was fucking dirty. NFL champions the Pats. This is 0:36:12.000 --> 0:36:13.480 when they took down Eagles. 0:36:13.920 --> 0:36:16.080 Yeah. This is the last of the four last. 0:36:15.840 --> 0:36:19.759 Of the first three Peyton Manning was the MVP. What 0:36:19.840 --> 0:36:21.640 was Chuck Ldell like in two thousand and five. 0:36:22.800 --> 0:36:25.880 Two thousand five, I was at the top of my 0:36:25.960 --> 0:36:29.080 game fighting. I was just loving it. It was awesome. 0:36:30.040 --> 0:36:32.399 We were, you know, having fun. 0:36:32.680 --> 0:36:34.719 It was really different though, Like I gotta say, like, 0:36:34.760 --> 0:36:37.719 so we did Ultimate Fighter, right, so we filmed it, 0:36:37.800 --> 0:36:42.640 oh four, then over four and then you know, I 0:36:42.680 --> 0:36:47.279 was walking around mall like right after it started airing, 0:36:47.440 --> 0:36:50.359 and like like the people coming up and be like, hey, 0:36:50.560 --> 0:36:53.319 good fight, Like hey, Like I used to be able 0:36:53.360 --> 0:36:55.120 to walk into a room and go, okay. 0:36:54.960 --> 0:36:57.720 That guy with the tap out shirt and that. 0:36:57.600 --> 0:37:00.440 Guy over there and that guy over there probably know 0:37:00.440 --> 0:37:02.400 who I am. And then all of a sudden, I 0:37:02.400 --> 0:37:05.400 got like, you know, Grandma's coming up. Hey, great fight there, 0:37:05.440 --> 0:37:07.400 and I'm like, how do you know what? What? 0:37:07.840 --> 0:37:08.080 Yeah? 0:37:08.160 --> 0:37:09.640 Like it was, it was all of a sudden. 0:37:09.680 --> 0:37:12.959 It went from that being you know, real pretty easy 0:37:12.960 --> 0:37:15.000 to tell who might know you, to everybody like it 0:37:15.040 --> 0:37:15.920 was it was crazy. 0:37:16.080 --> 0:37:18.880 Yeah, the ed Hardy guy, he knows them. But now 0:37:18.920 --> 0:37:22.520 we got Grandma, Grandma is now knowing dude. We got 0:37:22.520 --> 0:37:25.440 to talk about I remember watching you and fucking Entourage. 0:37:25.680 --> 0:37:28.920 Who'd you punk? Johnny Drama. That was hey because that 0:37:29.040 --> 0:37:30.440 was like the biggest show in the world. 0:37:30.480 --> 0:37:31.759 Well, yeah, I love that show. 0:37:31.880 --> 0:37:33.920 We all loved it for me, like I was one 0:37:33.920 --> 0:37:35.439 of those shows that was up probably the last show 0:37:35.480 --> 0:37:37.719 that I actually would when when I was traveling, would 0:37:37.760 --> 0:37:40.360 actually go try to find someboldace in HB on Sunday night, 0:37:40.440 --> 0:37:41.240 trying to watch. 0:37:41.080 --> 0:37:43.239 It without a doubt because we can't binge it back then, 0:37:43.280 --> 0:37:44.279 you can't just bend ship. 0:37:44.760 --> 0:37:47.319 And I asked everybody I knew to get like they 0:37:47.480 --> 0:37:49.680 get me on the show, you know, like I just 0:37:49.719 --> 0:37:52.680 want to walk on side events, and they when they 0:37:53.280 --> 0:37:55.239 it was cooler that when they found out they're gonna 0:37:55.239 --> 0:37:56.960 put me on, They're like, oh, we might as well 0:37:57.320 --> 0:37:59.000 put them on. And I was making him the punk. 0:37:59.320 --> 0:38:01.000 I think they had a they had something else, but 0:38:01.040 --> 0:38:03.160 they came up with a different punks. 0:38:03.440 --> 0:38:04.640 That you got got episode. 0:38:04.800 --> 0:38:07.080 Yeah, it was a lot of fun. You were everywhere 0:38:07.080 --> 0:38:08.160 in the in this time. 0:38:08.480 --> 0:38:10.080 Yeah, and again it's like one of those things that 0:38:10.120 --> 0:38:11.560 we're just trying to promote the sport. 0:38:11.719 --> 0:38:11.919 Yeah. 0:38:12.320 --> 0:38:14.480 Back then, like a lot of people, I really had 0:38:14.480 --> 0:38:16.200 no idea who I was. Down they knew who I was, 0:38:16.480 --> 0:38:18.520 so now they hear I'm fighting on it that. Oh 0:38:18.600 --> 0:38:21.239 maybe I watched that, Maybe I watched paper view. You know, 0:38:21.360 --> 0:38:22.600 it's that was the idea. 0:38:22.840 --> 0:38:25.919 What was your coolest experience that you think this time? 0:38:26.040 --> 0:38:28.120 What was your the one that you liked that was 0:38:28.120 --> 0:38:30.439 fucking I made Oh this is pretty cool. 0:38:31.080 --> 0:38:34.400 It was right after a week after the fight, like 0:38:34.440 --> 0:38:38.279 when it was fight, like h r U y e, 0:38:38.320 --> 0:38:39.640 do you want to go on a vacation with us? 0:38:40.000 --> 0:38:43.560 And then we full in private jet to. 0:38:42.800 --> 0:38:46.040 To besa help. I went on a couple of tow 0:38:46.080 --> 0:38:46.920 hundred foot yachts. 0:38:47.160 --> 0:38:47.319 Yeah. 0:38:47.400 --> 0:38:50.800 Yeah, they'd like eighty eight foot tenders and they're crazy. 0:38:50.960 --> 0:38:53.319 Like it was like you know, and like first time 0:38:53.480 --> 0:38:55.160 a kid that I mean I was, it was a 0:38:55.200 --> 0:38:57.160 kid anymore. I was thirty five, but I mean I've 0:38:57.360 --> 0:38:59.480 never done anything like that, no, you know. And then 0:39:00.120 --> 0:39:02.120 that for a week, and then I went to I 0:39:02.120 --> 0:39:03.919 think I did it on the longest like I think 0:39:03.920 --> 0:39:07.640 we went. We went to England and did a PR 0:39:07.719 --> 0:39:08.680 tour for a couple of days there. 0:39:08.680 --> 0:39:11.200 Then I flew bad. I did like they did, like 0:39:12.520 --> 0:39:13.080 I think they did. 0:39:13.120 --> 0:39:18.839 Like I was in like seventeen seventeen cities and five 0:39:18.880 --> 0:39:23.279 countries and like like five days, like in twenty five 0:39:23.360 --> 0:39:24.000 days or something. 0:39:24.200 --> 0:39:24.960 It was crazy. 0:39:25.000 --> 0:39:28.120 It was you were the perfect person at this time 0:39:28.880 --> 0:39:32.319 to promote the game because you I mean, you look 0:39:32.440 --> 0:39:34.560 like a fucking you look like a fighter. 0:39:35.040 --> 0:39:37.279 Yeah. And also for in the. 0:39:37.239 --> 0:39:40.360 Haircut, you had the look. You had the fucking Cauliflowerer, 0:39:40.520 --> 0:39:42.440 you had the fucking the thing. 0:39:42.920 --> 0:39:45.200 I also I also had a college degree. We're still 0:39:45.200 --> 0:39:47.120 trying when still trying to convince me we're not just 0:39:47.160 --> 0:39:52.240 a bunch of you know that, you know, they have nothing. 0:39:51.800 --> 0:39:52.200 Else to do. 0:39:52.239 --> 0:39:54.400 I just want to fight, beat people up, you know. 0:39:54.480 --> 0:39:56.560 So that was a little easier, like you know, that 0:39:56.600 --> 0:39:58.120 was one of the things I did. I went with 0:39:59.000 --> 0:40:01.480 I got a before if I Tito the first time. 0:40:01.640 --> 0:40:05.480 This is before this. They uh, they told me, you 0:40:05.520 --> 0:40:07.000 got to do better on your interviews. 0:40:07.320 --> 0:40:09.400 Now. The problem back then was everybody. 0:40:09.080 --> 0:40:11.359 Coming to go to an interview. They don't even read 0:40:11.360 --> 0:40:12.919 their one sheet. They don't know what to talk about. 0:40:12.960 --> 0:40:15.239 They didn't know what MMA was. Yeah, they'd ask you, 0:40:15.440 --> 0:40:18.160 is this pro wrestling or you know I like to wrestling, 0:40:18.239 --> 0:40:21.399 or like they answer they asked dumb question, the dumbest questions. Well, 0:40:22.280 --> 0:40:25.279 and I'm like and they like it's hard to do 0:40:25.320 --> 0:40:27.239 an interview when you don't get no one knows what 0:40:27.239 --> 0:40:29.560 you're talking about, you don't know what to say. And 0:40:29.600 --> 0:40:32.520 then so I got my actually my manager back then 0:40:32.760 --> 0:40:35.960 is his sister was a drama teacher, and she actually 0:40:36.000 --> 0:40:39.040 said she'd coached me on doing interviews. Yeah, for a 0:40:39.080 --> 0:40:40.879 couple of days, and she asked me to write down 0:40:40.920 --> 0:40:42.759 the ten most common questions. At first of all, she 0:40:42.800 --> 0:40:45.239 goes across all these all shitty questions, and you got 0:40:45.239 --> 0:40:48.160 about two real questions there. So what you're gonna do 0:40:48.200 --> 0:40:49.560 from now on is when you go out there to 0:40:49.600 --> 0:40:52.400 ask you whatever shitty question they asked, answer the question 0:40:52.880 --> 0:40:56.959 yes or no, and then talk for about a minute 0:40:56.960 --> 0:40:59.200 and a half to two minutes about whatever you want to 0:40:59.239 --> 0:41:03.279 talk about, and and that and that, and then if 0:41:03.280 --> 0:41:05.480 they if they, if they're worth anything as an interviewer, 0:41:05.800 --> 0:41:08.680 they'll be able to follow up from there because we're 0:41:08.680 --> 0:41:11.360 doing radio. So it asked me, it's pretty quick hits. 0:41:11.680 --> 0:41:15.600 So interviewing people loved me. What'd you do? Like, Well, 0:41:15.960 --> 0:41:17.920 you told me to get better, and no one told 0:41:17.920 --> 0:41:19.759 me how to get better. I actually got someone went 0:41:19.800 --> 0:41:22.600 and got coached like on how to actually do an interview, 0:41:22.840 --> 0:41:25.800 How do I talk to people like what and especially 0:41:26.000 --> 0:41:28.960 like I said, back then, we were trying to educate 0:41:29.560 --> 0:41:33.040 the people asking us the questions what our sport is. 0:41:33.080 --> 0:41:33.640 They didn't they. 0:41:33.600 --> 0:41:35.480 Didn't know what it was like like you get a 0:41:35.600 --> 0:41:38.960 radio show host and they're like, who's this guy? You 0:41:39.000 --> 0:41:41.400 know he's what's fighting? I don't know what's MMA. I 0:41:41.440 --> 0:41:43.160 don't know that it's UFC. 0:41:43.400 --> 0:41:43.839 They don't know. 0:41:44.560 --> 0:41:46.600 Yeah, so it was it was a There's still a 0:41:46.640 --> 0:41:48.200 lot of that back then. So we were doing all 0:41:49.040 --> 0:41:50.440 and it was it was fun. 0:41:50.560 --> 0:41:53.480 We're always trying to improve here in the nuthouse on 0:41:53.600 --> 0:41:57.160 games with names. Give us an example of a shitty question. 0:41:57.280 --> 0:41:58.880 So we don't ask anyone. 0:41:58.880 --> 0:42:01.719 You know, I don't even know, you know. They it's 0:42:01.719 --> 0:42:02.800 just ask answer. 0:42:02.960 --> 0:42:05.319 They'll ask an answer like did you think it was 0:42:05.400 --> 0:42:07.160 good that this guy did that? 0:42:07.239 --> 0:42:08.120 And did this? 0:42:08.239 --> 0:42:09.880 And and you know, and then then you should have 0:42:09.920 --> 0:42:11.399 done this, but they should have done that, Like. 0:42:13.120 --> 0:42:14.720 So do I tell you you're wrong? 0:42:15.080 --> 0:42:18.640 Or and we argue about this word, do you want 0:42:18.680 --> 0:42:20.800 me to just go because that's. 0:42:20.640 --> 0:42:21.680 About my two choices? 0:42:22.040 --> 0:42:23.760 Don't answer the question and the question. 0:42:23.600 --> 0:42:26.960 And other interviews or over talk, yeah, or they just 0:42:27.000 --> 0:42:29.600 wouldn't have you know, they just asked they don't know 0:42:29.640 --> 0:42:30.239 the sport at all. 0:42:30.320 --> 0:42:33.080 It was so new, so should you should have just 0:42:33.120 --> 0:42:35.200 did a little highlight clip of blood Sport and had 0:42:35.239 --> 0:42:37.799 band damn over there fighting the dude doing this and 0:42:38.239 --> 0:42:41.080 fucking you know, the big belly flop. Guy. I love that. 0:42:41.080 --> 0:42:42.200 That was one of my favorite movies. 0:42:42.239 --> 0:42:42.399 Oh. 0:42:42.560 --> 0:42:43.120 I love that. 0:42:43.400 --> 0:42:45.480 My brother pitched UFC to me when I was in 0:42:45.560 --> 0:42:48.080 high school because we were all, like everyone watched boxing 0:42:48.160 --> 0:42:50.720 at that time. He's like, bro, it's fucking blood Sport. 0:42:50.880 --> 0:42:52.319 I'm like, what are you talking about it? And he's like, 0:42:53.040 --> 0:43:00.200 go watch. I watched. It's like it's blood Sport. What So, 0:43:00.760 --> 0:43:04.360 what's on your pregame? Did you have a like iPad 0:43:04.520 --> 0:43:06.160 or like iPod or anything? 0:43:06.239 --> 0:43:06.759 What? 0:43:06.760 --> 0:43:09.759 What was in the Yeah, you know, you know the 0:43:09.760 --> 0:43:12.080 old iPod Actually. 0:43:11.760 --> 0:43:14.319 One of the commissioner stories. I love being in your 0:43:14.760 --> 0:43:16.920 room because I never know what's going to come on next? 0:43:17.080 --> 0:43:18.520 What was I go? 0:43:18.640 --> 0:43:21.960 I go from like Slayer to uh the Country to 0:43:22.440 --> 0:43:26.319 UH to wrap? Yeah, I mean I would we just 0:43:26.360 --> 0:43:28.800 go from just a lot of random stuff. 0:43:28.880 --> 0:43:30.919 Yeah, I'm the same way hitting all. 0:43:31.520 --> 0:43:33.400 Yeah, stuff come on. 0:43:33.560 --> 0:43:37.359 Different things fired me up different ways, you know, And 0:43:37.440 --> 0:43:40.040 so yeah, I and I was pretty d I was 0:43:40.080 --> 0:43:41.840 just having fun back there anyways. 0:43:41.560 --> 0:43:43.880 Two thousand and five, Chuckle was probably listening to like 0:43:44.400 --> 0:43:47.480 seeing all that by Young Gez and Ship. You know 0:43:47.520 --> 0:43:50.840 I'm talking about trap Star. Got a little country in 0:43:50.880 --> 0:43:55.200 there as well. Fucking awesome. Let's uh, let's jump into 0:43:55.239 --> 0:43:56.359 the fight. Uh So. 0:43:56.480 --> 0:44:00.279 Randy Cotour also is the natural from Everett, Washington and 0:44:00.400 --> 0:44:02.560 a Coatur had a background in Greco Roman wrestling and 0:44:02.600 --> 0:44:05.560 he was an All American wrestler at Oklahoma State Go Cowboys. 0:44:05.840 --> 0:44:08.400 He served in the one hundred and first Airborne before 0:44:08.400 --> 0:44:11.480 making his a UFC debut in nineteen ninety seven and 0:44:11.520 --> 0:44:12.920 in two thousand and five. At this point in his 0:44:12.920 --> 0:44:15.360 career he had a record of thirteen and six. 0:44:16.760 --> 0:44:19.319 And he just came down from heavyweight being a heavyweight champ. 0:44:20.840 --> 0:44:25.440 Can you break down his fight and fighting style? Yeah, 0:44:25.600 --> 0:44:26.960 he just a straight wrestler. 0:44:27.200 --> 0:44:30.520 No, he's really good at dirty boxing, getting inside and 0:44:30.560 --> 0:44:32.920 beat guys up in there, and then good wrestling, gets control, 0:44:33.200 --> 0:44:37.040 good cage control, good just all around a good fighter. Tough, 0:44:37.440 --> 0:44:38.280 take a shot. 0:44:38.440 --> 0:44:39.760 What was his greatest strength? 0:44:40.760 --> 0:44:43.960 He's wrestling and Understaid's wrestling and being able to being 0:44:43.960 --> 0:44:45.920 able to control control people. 0:44:46.120 --> 0:44:49.000 What's Randy Couture mean to the m m A. He 0:44:49.120 --> 0:44:50.240 was a big name, big. 0:44:50.160 --> 0:44:53.640 Name, and he was great. He's a great opponent. I mean, 0:44:53.719 --> 0:44:56.800 he's a really tough guy. Guy's been around, been around, 0:44:57.120 --> 0:44:59.359 had bit. Like I said, he got up, got one 0:44:59.400 --> 0:45:00.960 of very title that came down. 0:45:00.960 --> 0:45:05.080 We got that, like every ray title. Yeah, so it's 0:45:05.200 --> 0:45:05.680 tough man. 0:45:05.840 --> 0:45:08.080 Any bad blood none? None? 0:45:08.120 --> 0:45:08.640 No, we're good. 0:45:08.760 --> 0:45:13.040 Respect Yeah, respect What I mean, I don't think everybody 0:45:13.040 --> 0:45:15.200 I fought. I'm friends with everybody I fought pretty much 0:45:15.400 --> 0:45:18.120 except for Tito. But I mean I don't I don't 0:45:18.120 --> 0:45:20.279 even I don't hate Tito's just we don't, you know, 0:45:20.520 --> 0:45:22.320 just we don't like, we don't get along. 0:45:22.520 --> 0:45:26.480 Yeah, that's all. We have a fighting public. I used 0:45:26.480 --> 0:45:27.000 to think it was. 0:45:26.960 --> 0:45:28.839 Funny, like back even back in the day when we're 0:45:28.840 --> 0:45:32.440 still fighting, like, yeah, coming out, we're going to club 0:45:32.520 --> 0:45:35.360 the man, tito'ish, everything gonna be okay, Like you. 0:45:35.400 --> 0:45:38.959 Got a couple of dollars, No, then, yeah, things gonna 0:45:38.960 --> 0:45:43.279 be fine. You're not gonna fight. I mean, you know, 0:45:43.320 --> 0:45:44.200 it's like we're good. 0:45:44.680 --> 0:45:48.799 So you fought Randy couldtur in the inner inner term match, right, 0:45:48.880 --> 0:45:51.840 It was like the inner interim belt and you lost. 0:45:52.000 --> 0:45:54.239 He was he came out. It was kind of it 0:45:54.320 --> 0:45:55.919 was kind of like you were thinking about Tito because 0:45:55.920 --> 0:45:58.600 there's all that Tito ship going on. Did you take 0:45:58.640 --> 0:46:02.840 anything from that first fight like into this second fight 0:46:02.880 --> 0:46:04.680 when you're going to the title fight? 0:46:04.760 --> 0:46:04.840 Like? 0:46:04.920 --> 0:46:05.080 Is that? 0:46:05.280 --> 0:46:07.240 Is that like for us? When I play a team 0:46:07.640 --> 0:46:11.000 in the regular season and I got that film of 0:46:11.160 --> 0:46:13.440 playing them, when I played them in the postseason, I 0:46:13.480 --> 0:46:15.400 felt like I had an upradge on them because I 0:46:15.440 --> 0:46:17.240 already felt their technique. 0:46:17.160 --> 0:46:19.239 Right after we watched. I didn't watch film that was 0:46:19.280 --> 0:46:21.960 the first fight. I didn't watch films four until we 0:46:21.960 --> 0:46:24.359 were scheduled because I was so upset that I let 0:46:24.360 --> 0:46:28.920 Tito off the hook to fighting me. Not that I 0:46:28.960 --> 0:46:32.000 lost to Randy. I respect for Andy. I just didn't 0:46:32.080 --> 0:46:34.160 like that let Titto off the hook. It just crushed me. 0:46:34.800 --> 0:46:38.040 So I was training and they need to get out. 0:46:38.040 --> 0:46:39.279 You got me right back in the ring, let me 0:46:39.320 --> 0:46:39.640 go fight. 0:46:39.640 --> 0:46:42.080 And Briane got me back to fighting right away because 0:46:42.080 --> 0:46:43.960 it's what I needed to get back and back. 0:46:44.000 --> 0:46:46.760 Focus on something. And then we started going. 0:46:46.760 --> 0:46:50.520 And and I when I when I signed a fight, 0:46:50.600 --> 0:46:53.279 we're ready to go. I watched watch film on it, 0:46:53.400 --> 0:46:57.719 and I watched the film We're Gonna Knock Him Out. Yeah, 0:46:57.719 --> 0:47:00.920 I got them, And that's I was always good at 0:47:01.400 --> 0:47:04.200 going back and breaking down what things. 0:47:04.200 --> 0:47:06.520 I saw a few little things, and that's all I needed. 0:47:06.800 --> 0:47:07.720 What did you see? 0:47:07.840 --> 0:47:07.960 What? 0:47:08.080 --> 0:47:10.120 Like? What are you looking for when you're watching a film? 0:47:10.560 --> 0:47:13.319 Well, what I'm watching a film against someone else. I'm 0:47:13.320 --> 0:47:16.239 trying to see what things they do, like the whether 0:47:16.360 --> 0:47:18.200 movement habits are what? Hey, wow? 0:47:18.480 --> 0:47:18.680 What? 0:47:19.040 --> 0:47:21.040 And then usually when I find them, I try to 0:47:21.160 --> 0:47:22.879 test and see if they they have moved the same 0:47:22.880 --> 0:47:25.239 way against me, because a lot of fighters don't move 0:47:25.280 --> 0:47:25.720 the same. 0:47:25.520 --> 0:47:27.719 Way depending on what they're who you're fighting, they. 0:47:27.600 --> 0:47:29.279 Don't move that. They have a lot of similarities. And 0:47:29.320 --> 0:47:31.880 now they move, but they're not quietly. They might be 0:47:31.880 --> 0:47:33.680 a little more worried about me hitting them, so they're 0:47:33.680 --> 0:47:35.640 gonna move a little different. And they've trained it a 0:47:35.680 --> 0:47:37.600 little different from me and they did for somebody else. 0:47:38.120 --> 0:47:40.000 But when you see how they they're ready for you, 0:47:40.080 --> 0:47:41.880 and then then when they win, they usually don't change it. 0:47:41.880 --> 0:47:42.319 A whole lot. 0:47:42.600 --> 0:47:45.160 It's so similar to football, you know, like cause like 0:47:45.200 --> 0:47:48.560 that first drive when you're an offense you're throwing shit 0:47:48.640 --> 0:47:51.520 out there, and you're you're putting stuff that you saw 0:47:51.560 --> 0:47:54.359 on film out there to see how they defend. Right, 0:47:55.600 --> 0:47:57.640 there's someone that So then I can see, all right, 0:47:57.680 --> 0:47:59.480 we got our counter. We have this play for the 0:47:59.520 --> 0:48:02.879 INTWO you have a third down look because they did this. 0:48:03.440 --> 0:48:05.560 So a lot of that. I mean that chess in 0:48:05.640 --> 0:48:06.400 fucking fighting. 0:48:06.480 --> 0:48:09.479 And that's the fun part about it is playing chess 0:48:09.480 --> 0:48:12.440 out there and there's there's so many ways to wear 0:48:12.440 --> 0:48:15.680 and lose an mma. Yeah that I can you know 0:48:15.719 --> 0:48:17.160 what I'm saying. That's what a lot of styles made 0:48:17.200 --> 0:48:20.080 fights a lot of times. You know, guys, this guy's 0:48:20.120 --> 0:48:22.520 an easy fight. Easier to fight for this guy, but 0:48:22.719 --> 0:48:24.280 not not so easy for that guys. 0:48:24.320 --> 0:48:25.719 It's different matchups. 0:48:26.800 --> 0:48:30.319 Matchups, baby, Okay, So Chuck Ladell, now you obviously know this. 0:48:30.320 --> 0:48:32.360 This is for our audience back at home. Chuck Leadell, 0:48:32.360 --> 0:48:34.440 also known as the Iceman, Fighting out of Saint Louis 0:48:34.440 --> 0:48:37.000 Obispo in California, Chuck was a D one wrestler at 0:48:37.000 --> 0:48:40.360 cal paly Go Mustangs. It was an amateur kickboxing champion 0:48:40.760 --> 0:48:44.080 known for his sprawl and brawl fighting style. He excelled 0:48:44.120 --> 0:48:46.960 with great takedown defense, and heavy hands. Chuck made his 0:48:47.080 --> 0:48:50.000 UFC debut in nineteen ninety eight in Mobile, Alabama. In 0:48:50.000 --> 0:48:51.800 two thousand and five, when we're talking about at this 0:48:51.840 --> 0:48:54.040 point of your career, you had a record of fourteen 0:48:54.080 --> 0:48:54.839 to three. 0:48:55.000 --> 0:48:57.120 On the height. When'd you realize you had that over 0:48:57.480 --> 0:49:00.640 that overham punch? When'd you know it was gonna connect 0:49:00.680 --> 0:49:02.279 in this one in this fight? 0:49:02.640 --> 0:49:04.359 And that was that was the thing. He will pruss 0:49:04.440 --> 0:49:05.000 you and come home. 0:49:05.040 --> 0:49:08.120 And I was I worked on pivoting off, encountering with 0:49:08.160 --> 0:49:11.239 that right hand. Pavoting you pivot off and get him, 0:49:11.239 --> 0:49:14.439 but he's coming still coming forward and catch him saying 0:49:14.520 --> 0:49:17.520 that way dropped him so great. 0:49:17.920 --> 0:49:20.239 And then you went in. See the crazy thing is 0:49:21.200 --> 0:49:22.920 you guys, when they drop and hit the ground, then 0:49:22.960 --> 0:49:25.440 you guys go in the straight fucking hammer. 0:49:25.520 --> 0:49:27.560 You gotta finish hm because some guys, you know, you 0:49:27.600 --> 0:49:31.040 don't know, you don't know, some guys can survive down there, 0:49:31.480 --> 0:49:32.960 and if you don't, if you don't, and you have 0:49:33.040 --> 0:49:36.120 to make the rough stop because otherwise, if you jump 0:49:36.200 --> 0:49:38.320 right on top of him, the ref's gotta stop it. 0:49:38.960 --> 0:49:40.680 If you don't, the ref can wait and see how 0:49:40.680 --> 0:49:43.239 he reacts. Like you go. You can hold on. 0:49:43.600 --> 0:49:44.880 But if you guys up there, if you're up there, 0:49:45.200 --> 0:49:47.960 hit him, he's got to pull you off. If you're not, 0:49:48.560 --> 0:49:50.080 you wait a minute to call the fight. Well you 0:49:50.120 --> 0:49:54.640 go wait. Let me see his Randy okay? Is Randy okay? 0:49:54.080 --> 0:50:00.719 So now bell rings fight starts. What what's going through 0:50:00.800 --> 0:50:03.479 your head in this fight? 0:50:03.920 --> 0:50:05.840 I think we'll just keep moving on to speak, keep circle, 0:50:06.760 --> 0:50:08.719 keep circle, just keep keep your feet moving. So I 0:50:08.800 --> 0:50:10.880 just I just I just come in and see how 0:50:10.920 --> 0:50:12.359 I was gonna engage, see how I was. 0:50:12.280 --> 0:50:14.400 Gonna come at me. I just I'm not throwing a 0:50:14.440 --> 0:50:15.200 few punches at. 0:50:15.160 --> 0:50:18.040 Him, you know, just get it, get in to come 0:50:18.080 --> 0:50:21.120 in because I know he's want he wants to close this, 0:50:21.160 --> 0:50:23.200 and he's like he didn't want to stand outside on me. 0:50:23.960 --> 0:50:25.839 I didn't want to stand out, you know, sit down 0:50:25.880 --> 0:50:26.920 there and let me pick you apart. 0:50:27.680 --> 0:50:29.680 You know. Uh, he's gonna have to come in. 0:50:29.960 --> 0:50:32.920 Now. When when did this iceman persona come come from? 0:50:33.160 --> 0:50:34.280 Well that was just John. 0:50:34.760 --> 0:50:38.319 John called like nicknames everybody, I think, but uh, he 0:50:38.520 --> 0:50:40.799 started calling me the iceman because I said he didn't 0:50:40.800 --> 0:50:41.840 get nervous before fights. 0:50:41.840 --> 0:50:44.120 He had like like two hundred amateur fights. 0:50:44.120 --> 0:50:47.240 And like sixty SEI pro fights and he got nervous 0:50:47.320 --> 0:50:48.600 for every single one of them. 0:50:49.080 --> 0:50:50.479 And I think it was We're in. 0:50:50.400 --> 0:50:54.680 Bakersfield fighting at the strong Board Arena, and there he was. 0:50:54.800 --> 0:50:57.440 I was gonna fight at like nine o'clock, nine thirty 0:50:57.480 --> 0:50:58.879 ten go on the night, so he's gonna come take 0:50:58.960 --> 0:51:01.799 my hands at eight, and but we'd been there since 0:51:01.840 --> 0:51:03.880 we got that as dads get there at like five thirty. 0:51:04.320 --> 0:51:06.880 So I'm in the back sitting around doing nothing, and 0:51:06.880 --> 0:51:09.960 and he goes looking for me, and he can't find me, 0:51:10.000 --> 0:51:12.160 and things I maybe I took off, like I said, 0:51:12.160 --> 0:51:14.160 app guys freak out and take off whatever. 0:51:14.560 --> 0:51:14.879 I thought. 0:51:15.360 --> 0:51:17.480 He's looking around, looking around, and finally he finds me. 0:51:17.800 --> 0:51:20.200 And I'm sleeping on a on a type at and 0:51:20.239 --> 0:51:22.440 we had on a type at, just sleeping in the corner. Yeah, 0:51:22.520 --> 0:51:24.480 And I was just killing time. We had We had 0:51:24.480 --> 0:51:26.520 no guy we did. The other guy we had another 0:51:26.560 --> 0:51:29.120 guy had already fought, and I was just kind of relaxing, 0:51:29.160 --> 0:51:31.560 and so he just couldn't play. I have trouble sleeping 0:51:31.560 --> 0:51:33.680 the night before I fight, but just sleeping like a 0:51:33.719 --> 0:51:35.359 couple hours before you fight and start. 0:51:35.800 --> 0:51:37.840 You're just an iceman. So you just started calling me 0:51:37.840 --> 0:51:38.280 the iceman. 0:51:38.840 --> 0:51:42.799 Hell, yeah, you know, I used to add before a game. Yeah, 0:51:43.040 --> 0:51:45.920 you get because sometimes you get too jacked up before 0:51:45.920 --> 0:51:50.279 a shit like you wear out mentally like it's gonna 0:51:50.280 --> 0:51:52.520 be a long battle in the battle, like let's let's 0:51:52.600 --> 0:51:54.800 let me go in calm, let me go in calm 0:51:54.920 --> 0:51:57.440 or fresh like that. 0:51:57.560 --> 0:51:59.920 That's the thing I like worried about it at the 0:52:00.040 --> 0:52:02.120 I was just to tell people, how you so calm 0:52:02.200 --> 0:52:03.320 before you fight? Is it? 0:52:03.400 --> 0:52:07.600 Because I know it's not gonna do me any good. 0:52:08.080 --> 0:52:11.360 I've already we've already done the game plan, We've already 0:52:11.400 --> 0:52:15.360 got We've already trained, training, training, and a camp was 0:52:15.440 --> 0:52:16.040 last week. 0:52:17.920 --> 0:52:18.359 It's over. 0:52:19.080 --> 0:52:21.520 We can't do anymore worry about. It's not gonna do 0:52:21.600 --> 0:52:24.440 any good. So just go out and perform. If you 0:52:24.560 --> 0:52:26.120 just go out and perform, you're gonna do a lot 0:52:26.160 --> 0:52:29.239 better than you will if you go out worry, if 0:52:29.239 --> 0:52:31.000 you and if you spend all night worried about it, 0:52:31.320 --> 0:52:33.399 I matter what funny funnies are, Like my buddy came. 0:52:33.600 --> 0:52:35.880 My buddy is a friends of both, was me and 0:52:35.960 --> 0:52:38.359 Tino before he fought the first time he went down 0:52:38.360 --> 0:52:41.080 to see Tito and his Tito was in his room 0:52:41.480 --> 0:52:43.239 and they were all in the in the front room 0:52:43.280 --> 0:52:45.680 talking talking strategy and what are you gonna do tomorrow 0:52:45.680 --> 0:52:47.440 and all this stuff. He said, he came up and 0:52:47.520 --> 0:52:49.719 knocks on Hydraic and he comes in and he walks in, 0:52:49.760 --> 0:52:53.960 and I got two girls in my bed, and and 0:52:54.000 --> 0:52:57.520 he's like and he looked, and he's like, I knew 0:52:57.520 --> 0:53:00.360 who was gonna win right there. So you were just 0:53:00.400 --> 0:53:03.719 completely relaxed. I didn't care. I'm like, it's just it 0:53:03.880 --> 0:53:08.239 just was just its just that this is being calm, 0:53:08.440 --> 0:53:11.359 you know. I was like, I don't it doesn't it does. 0:53:11.480 --> 0:53:13.920 It does me no good to worry about it, So 0:53:13.920 --> 0:53:14.520 why do it? 0:53:14.640 --> 0:53:18.000 It doesn't know good to worry, So why worry? 0:53:18.120 --> 0:53:20.239 Yeah, I mean I was always a good test taker. 0:53:20.239 --> 0:53:23.440 I always did well. If I want to outshot what 0:53:23.480 --> 0:53:25.840 I should probably should have done on the tests. I 0:53:25.840 --> 0:53:29.239 I really you said, I'm studying, study, study until you 0:53:29.239 --> 0:53:31.200 close the book as soon as they start to test. 0:53:31.200 --> 0:53:33.239 I'm I'm relaxed. I just go and do I do 0:53:33.320 --> 0:53:35.480 my answers. Hey, do what I can do. That's all 0:53:35.480 --> 0:53:38.239 I can do. There's no more worrying about It's not 0:53:38.280 --> 0:53:40.919 can do anything. Yeah, don't worry about what you can't 0:53:41.120 --> 0:53:42.560 You know what I'm people say it all the time. 0:53:42.600 --> 0:53:44.239 Don't worry about it what you can't the things you 0:53:44.280 --> 0:53:46.320 can't change, effect can't control. 0:53:46.800 --> 0:53:48.960 I need a little chuck in my head sometimes I 0:53:48.960 --> 0:53:51.200 need a little chuck in my head. Can we get it? 0:53:51.320 --> 0:53:53.279 Put a put a ball on this on the on 0:53:53.320 --> 0:53:55.919 the fight and walk us through the fight. Kai guy, 0:53:56.200 --> 0:53:57.239 so first before we. 0:53:57.560 --> 0:53:59.400 We got you to lead up. That's very important for 0:53:59.520 --> 0:54:02.200 this match. The lead up to UFC fifty two is 0:54:02.200 --> 0:54:04.200 a rematch from two years in the making. A Katur 0:54:04.280 --> 0:54:06.879 won the Internment Championship we mentioned before in their first 0:54:06.880 --> 0:54:09.600 meeting in a third round TKO. Since that fight, Randy 0:54:09.680 --> 0:54:11.960 was two and one, notably beating t RTIs to unify 0:54:12.000 --> 0:54:15.640 the belt and then beating Vidor belfort I probably butchered 0:54:15.640 --> 0:54:18.160 that to reclaim the belt, and then Chuck went three 0:54:18.200 --> 0:54:21.680 and one, also beat t do Ortiz and also competed 0:54:21.719 --> 0:54:25.000 in the Pride Grand pre tournament representing the UFC, and 0:54:25.040 --> 0:54:28.920 this led up to UFC fifty two. But also a 0:54:28.960 --> 0:54:32.359 part of USC fifty two is the Ultimate Fighter Season one, 0:54:33.360 --> 0:54:36.440 so ULTI Fire Season one is where Chuck and Randy 0:54:36.440 --> 0:54:37.000 were coaches. 0:54:37.040 --> 0:54:38.840 It was a won both way classes. 0:54:41.080 --> 0:54:41.520 That's right. 0:54:41.560 --> 0:54:44.120 With the UFC struggling to stay afloat, Dana White pitched 0:54:44.160 --> 0:54:46.840 the idea of an MMA reality show to the newly 0:54:46.880 --> 0:54:50.720 created Spy TV. Sixteen fighters across two way classes middleweight 0:54:50.719 --> 0:54:54.680 and heavyweight, two teams led by coach Laddell and coach 0:54:54.760 --> 0:54:58.400 katre On. The winner receive a six figure fight contract 0:54:58.400 --> 0:55:01.960 with the UFC. Then A, White credits the finale fight 0:55:02.040 --> 0:55:05.320 between Forrest Griffin and Stefan Bonner with saving the UFC. 0:55:05.560 --> 0:55:08.480 Oh it was great that, you know it was it 0:55:08.560 --> 0:55:12.120 was our first free fight on TV, right, and they 0:55:12.160 --> 0:55:14.600 have that amazing fight that had both like I had 0:55:14.640 --> 0:55:17.640 all elements of MMA in it. I mean, you couldn't 0:55:17.640 --> 0:55:20.879 ask for a better fight. They had Gotti Ward type fight. 0:55:21.040 --> 0:55:22.839 Maybe not the two best guys out there right now 0:55:22.920 --> 0:55:27.319 at the time, but but such a great show, put 0:55:27.480 --> 0:55:31.480 such a great matchup, put a great show. You know, 0:55:31.560 --> 0:55:33.759 they had both had successful careers after that. You know, 0:55:35.120 --> 0:55:38.640 forced man, it's for tough yeah, good good fighters. 0:55:39.080 --> 0:55:39.439 Is great. 0:55:39.680 --> 0:55:43.520 Now, when you did this show, did you notice that 0:55:43.600 --> 0:55:46.160 every little kid everywhere was starting to do your mohawk? 0:55:46.200 --> 0:55:49.719 And what inspired this mohawk? No, I didn't notice that 0:55:50.040 --> 0:55:53.960 because I remember kids trying to be Chuck Liddell with 0:55:54.120 --> 0:55:56.719 the mohawk. I think I had one. I had one 0:55:56.719 --> 0:55:57.879 too in this year. 0:55:59.480 --> 0:56:02.840 So I agree up my whole life with shape the 0:56:03.000 --> 0:56:05.160 shaved that like short growing up. 0:56:05.280 --> 0:56:07.759 Tell about my eighth grade. 0:56:08.560 --> 0:56:14.360 And in eighth grade I had a teacher, A subject 0:56:14.400 --> 0:56:18.279 teacher asked me after class, like, hey, so, what what's 0:56:18.320 --> 0:56:21.400 it like being a skinhead. I'm like, so as people 0:56:21.400 --> 0:56:24.799 a skin of culture, like I'm I'm I'm what, I'm 0:56:24.800 --> 0:56:27.200 not a skinny. I don't know what's talking about, you know, 0:56:27.360 --> 0:56:32.360 And I'm like, I don't even know the skin Well, yeah, 0:56:31.280 --> 0:56:35.160 and so I told my grandma that and I said, 0:56:35.560 --> 0:56:37.680 I was laughing, tell us story of my grandma and 0:56:37.760 --> 0:56:41.040 my grandpa, And Okay, we're gonna let you grow your 0:56:41.040 --> 0:56:43.440 hair out a little bit. My grammar said, people don't 0:56:43.480 --> 0:56:45.920 mistake you for a skinhead, because that was a big 0:56:45.960 --> 0:56:50.680 thing issue with that back then. And uh, I'm like, okay, 0:56:50.840 --> 0:56:53.759 So I got to grow my hair out. So now 0:56:53.800 --> 0:56:56.200 we're in college and I think it was ninety two 0:56:56.440 --> 0:56:59.600 and my my buddies are going this Layer concert we're 0:56:59.640 --> 0:57:02.040 all going to that was gonna shave their heads. I said, Nah, 0:57:02.239 --> 0:57:05.279 not gonna happen. I did that for way too long. 0:57:05.400 --> 0:57:08.040 Not gonna happen. You gotta do something. Come on, well, 0:57:08.080 --> 0:57:09.880 I'm wut a mohawk. I'll do a maw So I 0:57:09.920 --> 0:57:12.320 did a mohawk, and I actually went up to the 0:57:12.560 --> 0:57:15.560 we worked there. I was working security and fair. After that, really, 0:57:15.600 --> 0:57:17.680 I noticed that everybody there wrecking azed, like all the 0:57:17.680 --> 0:57:19.560 people that worked there would recognize me. When I was off, 0:57:19.600 --> 0:57:23.880 I get free food and stuff, and so people recognized it, 0:57:24.160 --> 0:57:26.160 and so I just kind of kept it and I 0:57:26.200 --> 0:57:29.480 started kickboxing and I was fighting, and I actually went 0:57:29.520 --> 0:57:33.520 to one of my fights and stromore Arena back early 0:57:33.560 --> 0:57:35.520 fights with it with the hair going out, because I 0:57:35.560 --> 0:57:38.680 got an altercation at at a club I were at 0:57:38.720 --> 0:57:39.760 I was working. 0:57:39.640 --> 0:57:41.320 And then we had they wanted me to grow my 0:57:41.320 --> 0:57:44.720 hair out for the court case. Yeah I won. I 0:57:44.720 --> 0:57:46.880 was an idiot, Yeah, I was just you know it. 0:57:47.040 --> 0:57:50.040 It was stupid. But anyway, so I won that and 0:57:50.080 --> 0:57:53.240 then we went out. But I went I the week 0:57:53.320 --> 0:57:56.000 before that, I had to fight. I fought and they 0:57:56.160 --> 0:57:57.880 so I had my hair going out. I didn't fight. 0:57:58.480 --> 0:58:02.200 The promoter got mad at me, So don't man, don't 0:58:02.240 --> 0:58:03.760 ever do that to me again. Man, you gotta you 0:58:03.760 --> 0:58:06.480 gotta way your mohawk, because I have people complaining that 0:58:06.520 --> 0:58:08.880 you never showed up. Now, I knocked the guy out 0:58:08.880 --> 0:58:11.640 in the second round that night, but they didn't know 0:58:11.720 --> 0:58:14.600 it was me. Nobody knows there's no hawk. I was 0:58:14.640 --> 0:58:16.439 on the I was on the poster, but they didn't 0:58:16.440 --> 0:58:18.280 know I was there. They they thought I didn't show up. 0:58:18.960 --> 0:58:21.320 So was the mohawk. I was on poster, it wasn't 0:58:21.320 --> 0:58:22.800 on postering. And I was like, don't do that to 0:58:22.840 --> 0:58:26.200 me again. People recognized me for that. So so later 0:58:26.280 --> 0:58:27.720 on when I fought in the UFC like that, and 0:58:27.800 --> 0:58:30.600 actually Peretti, the promoter back then, told me, I was, oh, 0:58:30.720 --> 0:58:31.360 that's played out. 0:58:31.360 --> 0:58:35.480 Get rid of that mohawk. I was, I'm good, but 0:58:35.640 --> 0:58:36.120 uh so. 0:58:36.680 --> 0:58:39.360 But it was actually a good thing for people to 0:58:39.400 --> 0:58:41.920 recognize me and knows me, especially back in the day 0:58:42.080 --> 0:58:44.120 when I first started getting fit a little bit a 0:58:44.160 --> 0:58:46.960 little bit of fame. People you'd see him going after 0:58:46.960 --> 0:58:50.400 you see it was a bargle like this, try to 0:58:50.440 --> 0:58:52.480 look around my head and see if I have that tattoo? 0:58:52.920 --> 0:58:53.720 Got him? 0:58:54.240 --> 0:58:55.840 Yea gonna he's got the tattoo. 0:58:55.840 --> 0:58:58.280 Okay, what's the tattoo. 0:58:59.400 --> 0:59:01.400 It's from my room lit karate style and so what 0:59:01.440 --> 0:59:03.840 we were in our blackbots when we get our black belt, 0:59:04.120 --> 0:59:05.200 we were on our gee when we get. 0:59:05.080 --> 0:59:06.000 Our backpots to Conji. 0:59:06.320 --> 0:59:06.880 What does it mean? 0:59:07.520 --> 0:59:10.919 Uh, roughly base peace and prosperity a place, a piece 0:59:10.960 --> 0:59:13.160 of prosperity, or house or temple a piece of prosperity. 0:59:13.280 --> 0:59:13.680 Yeah. 0:59:14.000 --> 0:59:16.560 Kind of the idea was you studyed martial arts to 0:59:16.640 --> 0:59:19.040 be for internal peace and prosperity. 0:59:19.440 --> 0:59:22.240 Before we go into grating this game, I want to ask, 0:59:22.600 --> 0:59:25.520 what was it like doing The Ultimate Fighter with having 0:59:25.560 --> 0:59:29.280 like cameras everywhere like that? That was like reality TV 0:59:29.560 --> 0:59:32.480 time and you guys are getting thrown into that. What 0:59:32.560 --> 0:59:34.000 was that whole experience? Like? 0:59:34.360 --> 0:59:36.400 It was interesting, the whole thing. 0:59:36.840 --> 0:59:39.120 The nice part of that was, like I got we 0:59:39.120 --> 0:59:40.640 were just there when we were on set. 0:59:41.240 --> 0:59:45.000 They didn't have the coaches, weren't living in the house. Yeah, 0:59:45.200 --> 0:59:48.240 I mean, but it was a learning curve for everybody. 0:59:48.360 --> 0:59:49.400 You know, they came in. 0:59:51.040 --> 0:59:55.480 Not quite understanding stuff, you know, some things, and we 0:59:56.080 --> 0:59:59.160 got we got a few arguments and a couple arguments 0:59:59.160 --> 1:00:01.280 with them over stuff. And I think I I think 1:00:01.280 --> 1:00:04.800 they joked about about of the second season I did. 1:00:05.120 --> 1:00:08.000 They said I still held the record for most rules 1:00:08.000 --> 1:00:08.960 broken in the season. 1:00:09.880 --> 1:00:12.000 But I mean, but a lot of it came down, 1:00:12.040 --> 1:00:13.920 and we we had a lot of arguments over. 1:00:15.400 --> 1:00:18.840 Of them there them trying to be reality people and 1:00:18.960 --> 1:00:21.880 do what they do and and me being a coach 1:00:21.920 --> 1:00:25.160 and doing what I do because my thing was like 1:00:25.200 --> 1:00:27.800 we got so A good example was so one of 1:00:27.840 --> 1:00:32.720 the one of the one of the they were Kenny 1:00:32.720 --> 1:00:35.080 Flooran was gonna fight one of the Night's one of 1:00:35.080 --> 1:00:37.120 the shows that we were filming. This is not gonna 1:00:37.120 --> 1:00:39.760 be aired for a couple of months right until later, 1:00:40.400 --> 1:00:44.200 and and they you know, And so the guy that 1:00:44.320 --> 1:00:47.440 tape wraps his hands that they hired shot up late. 1:00:47.840 --> 1:00:50.080 He wasn't there yet, and they wouldn't let me tape 1:00:50.120 --> 1:00:52.400 his hands because they said, I don't know why I could. 1:00:52.720 --> 1:00:55.600 I can tape normally, but they wanted their guy to 1:00:55.600 --> 1:00:58.160 do it. Okay whatever, So he get his hands taped. 1:00:58.200 --> 1:01:02.040 This guy comes in this runner because he goes, hey, 1:01:03.200 --> 1:01:05.120 he needs me out there in five minutes. I'm all, hey, man, 1:01:05.160 --> 1:01:07.600 we need about twenty minutes and warm up. We're gonna 1:01:07.760 --> 1:01:09.720 we need about twenty minutes and warm up. He needs 1:01:09.720 --> 1:01:13.960 to be out there right fucking now. Who the fuck 1:01:14.040 --> 1:01:17.240 you think you're talking to? And guy ran out of room. 1:01:17.600 --> 1:01:21.760 She runs out and got got the person in charge 1:01:21.800 --> 1:01:24.240 and she comes in and she came in and she 1:01:24.320 --> 1:01:29.120 starts yelling at me. I'm ahead, look here, you whired 1:01:29.160 --> 1:01:31.160 me to be these kids coach. I'm gonna treat him 1:01:31.200 --> 1:01:34.280 like the one of mine. This guy's not fighting, tell 1:01:34.320 --> 1:01:37.520 he's good guy until I say he's damn ready, or. 1:01:39.000 --> 1:01:39.840 You can ask them who. 1:01:39.760 --> 1:01:44.520 They want to fire me or you your choice, good luck. No, 1:01:45.280 --> 1:01:47.320 she and they gave me the. 1:01:47.240 --> 1:01:50.520 Time, right, but this guy's about to go out fight 1:01:50.600 --> 1:01:53.080 for his fucking life, like not even that, but like 1:01:53.120 --> 1:01:53.880 for his career. 1:01:54.280 --> 1:01:56.320 It's like, no, he's not ready, and this isn't this 1:01:56.400 --> 1:01:59.200 is the time, we know, and it's your not to mention. 1:01:59.320 --> 1:02:04.080 It's your we're late being warmed up, not ours. So 1:02:04.200 --> 1:02:05.000 I don't even want to hear it. 1:02:05.400 --> 1:02:08.280 That being said, we talked after and you know, like 1:02:08.360 --> 1:02:10.120 it's like, look, I understand you guys are trying to 1:02:10.120 --> 1:02:12.280 make a show, but they I mean, they they wanted. 1:02:12.560 --> 1:02:14.800 It was sixty straight days that time at that time, 1:02:15.160 --> 1:02:16.360 with fights in the middle of it. 1:02:16.480 --> 1:02:18.920 Jesus and they wanted us to do. 1:02:20.480 --> 1:02:22.320 They want us to do too hard workouts a day 1:02:23.000 --> 1:02:25.560 every day for sixty days. I want guys, nobody can 1:02:25.600 --> 1:02:27.400 do that because they gonna happen. 1:02:27.440 --> 1:02:30.800 We have to. I will get them doing something. We 1:02:30.800 --> 1:02:31.640 can do something. 1:02:32.200 --> 1:02:33.840 But like you then, and. 1:02:33.840 --> 1:02:36.200 You got these and you know, we had these challenges too. 1:02:36.720 --> 1:02:40.640 They were all physical and the other thing. I'm going, dude, 1:02:40.640 --> 1:02:43.880 guys like I'm gonna, I will. We can do something, 1:02:44.800 --> 1:02:48.280 but you gotta be we got a kind of they're humans. 1:02:48.320 --> 1:02:49.960 And then you asked me to be their coach. 1:02:50.480 --> 1:02:50.760 I'll be. 1:02:51.280 --> 1:02:53.320 I get it. We hired you guys to make a 1:02:53.360 --> 1:02:56.960 reality show. I will do what you ask within reason. 1:02:57.640 --> 1:03:00.680 Everyone's just trying to do their job. They don't understand 1:03:01.480 --> 1:03:05.040 being an athlete. The athlete doesn't understand, and we're trying 1:03:05.080 --> 1:03:08.040 to put a show on and that's just all this bullshit. 1:03:08.160 --> 1:03:10.240 But it turned out to be a fucking great thing. 1:03:10.400 --> 1:03:14.520 Oh yeah, because because of this show. Its sling shotted. 1:03:15.920 --> 1:03:18.080 This is one of the I'm telling you, this show 1:03:18.720 --> 1:03:21.520 is pretty much the template for like six other sports 1:03:21.560 --> 1:03:24.520 and how they've gotten famous. Now drive or survive they're 1:03:24.520 --> 1:03:26.680 trying to do with tennis. They're trying to do with golf. 1:03:27.040 --> 1:03:28.640 It's all because of The Ultimate Fighter. 1:03:28.720 --> 1:03:30.400 How was the show pitched to you? Like, how did 1:03:30.400 --> 1:03:31.640 they how did they all come together? 1:03:32.320 --> 1:03:34.000 David's we do the show, it's gonna end up in 1:03:34.040 --> 1:03:37.440 a fight. Uh, and you get a title shot the 1:03:37.440 --> 1:03:41.160 week after perfect and You're like, let's titles that, right, 1:03:41.280 --> 1:03:42.760 let's go, And that was argument. 1:03:42.800 --> 1:03:45.440 We went back and forth they at the time we 1:03:45.480 --> 1:03:47.280 had I think I had two fights left, so I 1:03:47.280 --> 1:03:49.320 would have fought once and then we could we usually 1:03:49.360 --> 1:03:53.800 would with the contract at that and he won that 1:03:53.920 --> 1:03:55.840 to fight at the end of the deal because I 1:03:55.880 --> 1:03:58.840 was gonna fight again before that show, and I won 1:03:58.920 --> 1:04:03.040 that fight, then then find the show and he wanted 1:04:03.040 --> 1:04:04.600 two extra fights at the end of the deal at 1:04:04.760 --> 1:04:05.440 whatever that was. 1:04:05.800 --> 1:04:09.400 But my manager actually quit over it. Jesus were argued, 1:04:09.880 --> 1:04:11.400 I mean I still paid him on the two fights. 1:04:11.440 --> 1:04:12.120 We had laps. 1:04:12.240 --> 1:04:14.800 Actually it worked out. He got to say that he 1:04:14.840 --> 1:04:17.600 represented you and you got to do what you just did. 1:04:17.800 --> 1:04:20.160 So it was it was fun. So everyone friends. 1:04:20.520 --> 1:04:23.320 So to wrap up The Ultimate Fighter, Your Fighter, Force 1:04:23.400 --> 1:04:27.040 Griffin won in a war of a fight against Stephan Bonner. 1:04:28.360 --> 1:04:32.640 Force Griffin won the UFC contract, but Dana White was 1:04:32.680 --> 1:04:34.880 so impressed with the other fighter that he also awarded 1:04:35.200 --> 1:04:37.800 the other fighter a UFC contracted. Well, I wasn't aware 1:04:37.840 --> 1:04:40.640 the UFC gave up participation trophies, but here we go. 1:04:41.040 --> 1:04:41.480 Stop. 1:04:43.240 --> 1:04:45.720 And then a week after, as you mentioned, the season 1:04:45.720 --> 1:04:47.920 one finale, at the Ultimate Fighter, it was time for 1:04:47.960 --> 1:04:48.800 the coaches to fight. 1:04:49.480 --> 1:04:53.160 And you guys go in, you fight, You knock his 1:04:53.240 --> 1:04:54.600 house out in the first round. 1:04:55.080 --> 1:04:55.360 Yep. 1:04:56.800 --> 1:04:57.760 And it was awesome. 1:04:58.120 --> 1:05:00.680 It was that was And that's that's as excited as 1:05:00.720 --> 1:05:03.200 I ever get, because you know, you you put all 1:05:03.200 --> 1:05:05.280 that time in and then you do it, do it 1:05:05.320 --> 1:05:06.560 exactly how you want to do it. 1:05:06.680 --> 1:05:09.400 That's not even knock out. You know, that's how what 1:05:09.520 --> 1:05:10.160 if I don't? 1:05:10.520 --> 1:05:12.920 And you know I always say the other thing if 1:05:12.920 --> 1:05:15.680 you if you want to pick, like the second favorite 1:05:15.680 --> 1:05:17.720 fighter is the second one, because it proved that this 1:05:17.760 --> 1:05:18.600 one wasn't a floke. 1:05:20.240 --> 1:05:23.560 Once once his luck twice his skill three is a pro. 1:05:24.840 --> 1:05:27.200 So my dad used to say he was once his 1:05:27.320 --> 1:05:31.160 luck kid twice his skill three's are pro. Walk us 1:05:31.200 --> 1:05:34.480 through beat for beat what it's like winning the UFC Championship. 1:05:34.880 --> 1:05:36.640 It's hard to say beat for beat. I mean, I 1:05:36.880 --> 1:05:39.120 just out there. You go out and do your thing. 1:05:39.200 --> 1:05:42.600 And then I mean I was fired up. If you 1:05:42.600 --> 1:05:45.560 could tell, if you couldn't tell after watching me after 1:05:45.600 --> 1:05:47.040 the fight, it was not pretty fired up? 1:05:47.160 --> 1:05:48.320 Was your grandpa round still? 1:05:48.840 --> 1:05:49.680 No, I was. 1:05:50.000 --> 1:05:52.560 That was That was a hard one for me. I 1:05:52.600 --> 1:05:54.640 always say the one thing, you know, one thing you 1:05:54.640 --> 1:05:56.919 never got to see was me fight in the UC. 1:05:57.320 --> 1:05:58.439 You never got to see a champ. 1:05:58.480 --> 1:06:01.680 Never never gonna see me fight. He had watch a fight. 1:06:01.800 --> 1:06:06.360 Kickbox from once knocked the kid out in the second round. 1:06:06.600 --> 1:06:09.919 But you know, but he watched. He got to watch. Man. 1:06:09.960 --> 1:06:11.000 That's that's it. 1:06:11.120 --> 1:06:13.360 But it's and you know, without him, I wouldn't have 1:06:13.400 --> 1:06:15.720 been out there. And my mom, I mean my mom 1:06:15.760 --> 1:06:16.240 the same way. 1:06:16.440 --> 1:06:18.800 She's just both of them tough as nails. 1:06:19.720 --> 1:06:24.280 Both of them raised me tough, and they raised you like, 1:06:24.360 --> 1:06:26.400 oh the hard work, that work, ethic, you know, you know, 1:06:28.320 --> 1:06:29.800 I think a lot of it. I was just saying 1:06:29.840 --> 1:06:32.760 I was never the best athlete in the room. But no, 1:06:32.920 --> 1:06:36.480 I wouldn't let anybody out work me. I put in 1:06:36.480 --> 1:06:38.800 my time, put in my work. I did everything I 1:06:38.840 --> 1:06:42.000 need to do. I got prepared, you know, and and 1:06:42.120 --> 1:06:45.600 just let let him fly, let him fly. We'll be 1:06:45.720 --> 1:06:49.720 right back after this quick break. Let's score the game. 1:06:50.000 --> 1:06:51.840 This is a segment where we score the game. 1:06:51.960 --> 1:06:54.520 We name the game. These are some names that we 1:06:54.600 --> 1:06:56.760 came up with. If you have a name, you could 1:06:56.760 --> 1:06:59.200 throw it out there. We were gonna go Ladell versus 1:06:59.240 --> 1:07:06.400 Couture two Chapter two, The Naturals Disaster, the Iceman Cometh, 1:07:07.200 --> 1:07:13.680 Iceman's revenge. Revenge is best served cold, the fight that 1:07:13.960 --> 1:07:17.520 saved the UFC. Or is there something else? 1:07:18.760 --> 1:07:22.920 You know? I think the natural Disaster. 1:07:23.800 --> 1:07:25.720 Let's go the Naturals Disaster. 1:07:26.440 --> 1:07:29.360 Uh yeah, but now that all of those are pretty good. 1:07:29.400 --> 1:07:32.120 Actually, which one do you? Which one do you want 1:07:32.120 --> 1:07:32.400 to pick? 1:07:33.040 --> 1:07:34.600 I mean, if I was gonna do want, i'd be 1:07:34.600 --> 1:07:35.520 the Iceman Cometh. 1:07:35.560 --> 1:07:38.440 I guess Let's do it. Love it, the Iceman Cometh, 1:07:39.000 --> 1:07:41.840 the Iceman Cometh. Score the game. Is this the greatest 1:07:41.840 --> 1:07:45.960 game of all time? Let's score it. Chuck steaks zero 1:07:46.080 --> 1:07:51.400 to ten decimals? Okay, the stakes of this specific UFC 1:07:51.600 --> 1:07:54.800 fifty two fight the Steaks, all right? What was that 1:07:54.880 --> 1:07:55.960 steak for me? 1:07:56.200 --> 1:08:00.480 Like? That was I mean my chance to the shot 1:08:00.080 --> 1:08:01.160 shot at a title. 1:08:01.160 --> 1:08:02.960 I don't think I would have got another shot after. 1:08:02.760 --> 1:08:06.120 That you gotta great it one to ten decimals. Okay, 1:08:08.800 --> 1:08:12.400 takes ten, that is a fight. I'm gonna say it's 1:08:12.400 --> 1:08:15.479 a nine point five. This is not just bearing Chuck 1:08:15.520 --> 1:08:20.840 Liddell's freaking career. This was bearing like the UFC in general, Like, 1:08:21.000 --> 1:08:24.759 this is the splash you have, like the Ultimate Challenger 1:08:24.880 --> 1:08:26.879 UFC Challenger Show, and. 1:08:26.960 --> 1:08:28.880 I don't think it could have been any better for me, 1:08:29.160 --> 1:08:34.519 Like coming off of the Bonner Forest fight. Yeah, you know, 1:08:34.640 --> 1:08:38.280 the next week pay per view, the biggest paper view 1:08:38.520 --> 1:08:42.559 by by far we've had since they bought it. Yeah, 1:08:43.200 --> 1:08:47.040 lots of sh and then to have that explosive of 1:08:47.200 --> 1:08:51.040 finish when the dominant performance. 1:08:52.360 --> 1:08:56.080 You could couldn't asked for a better I mean, I think. 1:08:56.240 --> 1:08:58.240 Jack got a eight point three at a eight point nine. 1:08:59.040 --> 1:09:02.400 Let's go start power. You gotta grade the star power 1:09:02.560 --> 1:09:06.880 of this fight, you, Randy Couture. I think I saw 1:09:06.960 --> 1:09:08.600 Cindy Crawfer in the crowd. 1:09:08.360 --> 1:09:10.160 Some celebrities in the crowd, Kevin James. 1:09:10.280 --> 1:09:14.000 Kevin James was in there, Pam Anderson, Pam Anderson's in there. 1:09:13.960 --> 1:09:17.120 Jack, Cindy Crawford, Michael everyone was there. Vanilla. 1:09:17.640 --> 1:09:19.960 You got to grade the star power of this vice. 1:09:20.520 --> 1:09:22.719 I'll tell you a funny story about the Vanilla please. 1:09:23.640 --> 1:09:28.200 My buddy took a picture was fight fight, and there's 1:09:28.400 --> 1:09:29.599 when I knocked out Randy. 1:09:30.080 --> 1:09:32.080 I first hit him. There's a picture. 1:09:32.560 --> 1:09:38.040 The whole celebrity rote with everybody in that row like 1:09:38.120 --> 1:09:41.400 this except for Vanilla Ice who was doing this. 1:09:45.600 --> 1:09:47.240 So you know who your true fans are? 1:09:49.000 --> 1:09:52.840 Hey, Vanilla Ice, Ice man, that's obviously man. 1:09:53.640 --> 1:09:55.400 I was like man, he was out of his chair. 1:09:55.479 --> 1:09:55.599 Man. 1:09:55.600 --> 1:09:56.120 It was awesome. 1:09:56.160 --> 1:09:57.920 Are you telled you with ice cuban iced tea as well? 1:10:00.360 --> 1:10:04.200 All Ice sticks together? Well on Swartzenegger Ice Man, he is. 1:10:04.680 --> 1:10:06.439 We got to grade the star power Zer were to 1:10:06.479 --> 1:10:08.400 ten for that for the time. 1:10:08.479 --> 1:10:12.640 I mean, I don't know. I got nine five and 1:10:12.760 --> 1:10:13.120 I don't know. 1:10:13.240 --> 1:10:16.040 Yeah, that's good. I'm gonna go eight nine. That's a 1:10:16.120 --> 1:10:17.520 that's a big ass crowd. 1:10:17.760 --> 1:10:19.920 Jacket of nine point two out of eight point five. 1:10:20.080 --> 1:10:22.639 The game player of the fight. So how the fight 1:10:22.800 --> 1:10:26.240 actually went? You gotta you have to grade the fight. 1:10:26.479 --> 1:10:28.599 It's a ten for me, that's a ten for Chuck. 1:10:29.080 --> 1:10:30.080 I mean I went the. 1:10:30.040 --> 1:10:32.479 Way I expected it, and that we hit him with 1:10:32.720 --> 1:10:35.400 that that was the punch we wanted to knock him 1:10:35.400 --> 1:10:37.800 out with it, and we wanted him to just come 1:10:37.840 --> 1:10:41.040 and walk in and catch him so and I got 1:10:41.080 --> 1:10:41.559 him with it. 1:10:41.800 --> 1:10:44.040 I mean, anytime there's a fucking knockout, that's the best 1:10:44.040 --> 1:10:46.520 way to win. I'm gonna go with a nine. 1:10:46.800 --> 1:10:49.360 Duels with the nine jack with a six point two 1:10:49.520 --> 1:10:52.080 to five foot one, and I'll explain because your side 1:10:52.200 --> 1:10:55.400 was perfect, perfect five and then less so on his side. 1:10:55.439 --> 1:10:57.960 So that's that's my my how. 1:10:58.720 --> 1:11:04.479 I don't know, I don't know score and you're a 1:11:04.600 --> 1:11:05.120 perfect for me. 1:11:05.240 --> 1:11:08.840 Yeah, sure as hell did. 1:11:10.600 --> 1:11:13.519 And now lastly, we score the name of the game. 1:11:14.880 --> 1:11:19.280 The name of the game. The Iceman's cometh, Cometh cometh, 1:11:19.800 --> 1:11:21.560 the Iceman's cometh. 1:11:21.520 --> 1:11:25.880 The iceman cometh, his coming, the iceman cometh. 1:11:27.240 --> 1:11:28.240 How do you get a little different? 1:11:30.160 --> 1:11:30.920 But we are grading. 1:11:32.960 --> 1:11:38.160 I guess it depends on how you say. 1:11:43.000 --> 1:11:49.479 I like the way he said it. 1:11:49.760 --> 1:11:52.720 That a big reader. Chuck that a big reader. We 1:11:52.840 --> 1:11:54.280 got to score it. 1:11:54.280 --> 1:11:56.880 It's also the cultural impact of this match too, in 1:11:56.960 --> 1:11:58.839 the landscape of UFC and all sports. 1:11:58.880 --> 1:12:01.439 To the score of the name. 1:12:04.000 --> 1:12:04.960 Depends on how you saying. 1:12:05.040 --> 1:12:10.400 I guess, wait, your version of your version ten? 1:12:12.000 --> 1:12:14.000 I would like I don't know, it's eight. 1:12:14.720 --> 1:12:18.000 Eight, Jules, I'm gonna go with that eight to one 1:12:18.560 --> 1:12:19.080 eight one. 1:12:20.360 --> 1:12:22.920 Jack had a seven point zero at a six point eight, 1:12:23.840 --> 1:12:27.200 Where does that go? It's an eight point three one? 1:12:27.520 --> 1:12:27.800 Or is it? 1:12:27.840 --> 1:12:29.880 Line up? In all our games and fights? 1:12:29.960 --> 1:12:32.120 That puts us just behind the Shrug Game, the nineteen 1:12:32.160 --> 1:12:34.880 ninety two NBA Finals Game one Blazers versus Bulls, the 1:12:34.960 --> 1:12:37.640 Jordan Shrug Game, and just ahead of Game six of 1:12:37.720 --> 1:12:40.680 the twenty twenty NBA Finals Lakers versus Heat, which is 1:12:40.720 --> 1:12:42.879 at eight point one seven. We just did with Genie Buss. 1:12:43.120 --> 1:12:45.559 So that makes it the new twenty seventh. 1:12:46.520 --> 1:12:51.000 Not bad? Fuck yeah, twenty seventh on the whole thing. 1:12:51.640 --> 1:12:53.559 The only where's are of the UFC fight we did 1:12:54.560 --> 1:12:55.679 Kabb and McGregor. 1:12:55.800 --> 1:12:58.479 Where is that right there? It's thirty three thirty three? 1:12:58.720 --> 1:12:59.200 Did you guys? 1:12:59.439 --> 1:13:02.880 Have you done the the Giants Super Bowl? 1:13:03.000 --> 1:13:06.400 Yeah? We did that that the Giant Super Bowl. One 1:13:06.439 --> 1:13:07.560 Giant loss. 1:13:07.600 --> 1:13:09.400 Is we're a little bias here is a little bit 1:13:09.600 --> 1:13:10.200 little bias. 1:13:10.600 --> 1:13:14.080 I mean, I don't know, I don't even hate this, 1:13:14.200 --> 1:13:17.080 but that eighteen and one chant on the way out 1:13:17.120 --> 1:13:18.479 of the stadium was pretty amazing. 1:13:19.200 --> 1:13:21.680 I wasn't a Patriot yet. I wasn't a Patriot. I 1:13:21.680 --> 1:13:23.480 was still in high school. Chat. 1:13:24.439 --> 1:13:25.519 I know, but you look it back. 1:13:25.720 --> 1:13:26.439 Look I was. 1:13:26.479 --> 1:13:29.720 I was at that game. So walking out, the New 1:13:29.800 --> 1:13:33.000 York fans chanted eighteen and one all the way out. 1:13:33.400 --> 1:13:39.040 Man, they were chanting eighteen and one, eighteen and one. 1:13:40.360 --> 1:13:44.040 After the game, I mean, they're New Yorkers. 1:13:44.240 --> 1:13:45.080 Who are you rooting for? 1:13:45.680 --> 1:13:46.679 Oh? I was from the Stray. 1:13:47.000 --> 1:13:51.439 Okay, okay, he's a good dude who straight and yeah, 1:13:51.560 --> 1:13:53.880 co worker, give you, I'll give you stray. I'll let 1:13:53.920 --> 1:13:57.040 you have Stray. 1:13:57.640 --> 1:14:01.200 If he wasn't in actually used to give me tickets 1:14:01.200 --> 1:14:01.920 for the Super Bowls. 1:14:01.920 --> 1:14:04.360 I wanted to go to h and like, like I 1:14:04.439 --> 1:14:07.240 usually give them up, like if if it wasn't it 1:14:07.320 --> 1:14:09.280 was Green bayy Maker or it wasn't wasn't a team 1:14:09.280 --> 1:14:10.760 I wanted to see, but I would. 1:14:10.800 --> 1:14:11.720 I went to that one because they have. 1:14:12.240 --> 1:14:13.960 I mean then this was this was all that was 1:14:14.000 --> 1:14:15.040 a legendary Super Bowl. 1:14:15.400 --> 1:14:16.439 I mean I'm still mad. 1:14:16.680 --> 1:14:18.760 I'm still mad about that going for sixteen to er 1:14:19.000 --> 1:14:22.240 because we we had to fight the same night. Yeah, 1:14:22.280 --> 1:14:24.080 they had a free they had that free It. 1:14:24.120 --> 1:14:27.000 Crying costs us a lot of cos cost me some 1:14:27.000 --> 1:14:28.040 money on paper field. 1:14:27.920 --> 1:14:30.599 So then you won. You won. After this game, it. 1:14:30.600 --> 1:14:33.280 Was on every channel free because they're going for sixteen 1:14:33.680 --> 1:14:35.120 as a sixty old season. 1:14:35.360 --> 1:14:37.839 And Randy moss broke the record. Tom and Randy moss Brook. 1:14:37.640 --> 1:14:39.519 Broke the record against the Giants. 1:14:39.560 --> 1:14:42.160 Yep, yep, we did that game too. We did the 1:14:42.200 --> 1:14:42.840 game of the same day. 1:14:42.920 --> 1:14:45.280 You lose your casual fans without a doubt. 1:14:45.000 --> 1:14:46.800 Because the casual fans like, wow, I want to watch this, 1:14:46.920 --> 1:14:48.120 Well I have a choice. I had to pay for 1:14:48.120 --> 1:14:49.880 something to watch this and watch us for free everywhere. 1:14:49.960 --> 1:14:52.320 And football is a machine in this country. Yeah, I 1:14:52.360 --> 1:14:54.760 mean that's a fucking it's a jugger or not. Don't 1:14:54.880 --> 1:14:59.000 ask basketball about Christmas Day. The NFL just put a 1:14:59.040 --> 1:15:01.160 game on Christmas and and that used to be like 1:15:01.400 --> 1:15:06.800 NBA's day. And it shattered, it shattered him. You know, 1:15:06.840 --> 1:15:10.040 there's no there's there's no uh, there's what is it? 1:15:10.080 --> 1:15:12.679 There's no love or something in war. 1:15:12.640 --> 1:15:15.280 No lost and love, no love lost and love and 1:15:15.360 --> 1:15:18.200 war all fair and love and all's fair and love. 1:15:18.320 --> 1:15:22.680 All that's fair and loving. Fucking Chuck Leedonos obviously not 1:15:22.800 --> 1:15:25.280 word guys here, Chuck, do we miss anything with this fight? 1:15:25.960 --> 1:15:28.040 I don't know not really it was. 1:15:28.160 --> 1:15:34.160 I have one last question, okay, this whole thing. I'm 1:15:34.200 --> 1:15:36.840 sitting here and I was watching a lot of like 1:15:37.120 --> 1:15:42.120 the stories behind this fight and the UFC, and they 1:15:42.200 --> 1:15:45.040 kept on pitching like, yeah, you basically get to see 1:15:45.040 --> 1:15:47.040 a sumos like who would win in a fight, Mike 1:15:47.080 --> 1:15:51.720 Tyson or Bruce Lee? You know what I mean, the 1:15:51.760 --> 1:15:55.080 real person who they should be saying. Really, I want 1:15:55.120 --> 1:15:57.120 to ask you, is it Chuck Norris? Isn't Chuck Norris 1:15:57.120 --> 1:15:59.519 supposed to be like one of the baddest motherfuckers and 1:15:59.640 --> 1:16:02.080 like life when it came to it. 1:16:02.280 --> 1:16:05.360 Chuck Doris, Yeah, no, it was. 1:16:05.400 --> 1:16:07.439 It was the you're kick. 1:16:09.040 --> 1:16:10.680 Yeah, it's a Carl Karwning guy. 1:16:10.920 --> 1:16:13.799 It's probably you know, he's on the movies and stuff, 1:16:13.800 --> 1:16:17.080 and Chuck's a great dude. Like I Actually, funny thing 1:16:17.160 --> 1:16:19.679 is I didn have a happy birthday thing for him. Yeah, 1:16:19.920 --> 1:16:21.240 I've been asked me to do a video and I'm 1:16:21.520 --> 1:16:23.680 looking at him like, wait, let me see. I've been 1:16:23.720 --> 1:16:25.360 a fan as I love. I've been a fantas let 1:16:25.360 --> 1:16:29.559 me look that up forty years Oh no, that old, 1:16:30.120 --> 1:16:31.680 Like I've been a fan of for four I've been 1:16:31.680 --> 1:16:34.200 watching movies for forty Years's crazy. 1:16:34.240 --> 1:16:34.839 It's crazy. 1:16:35.000 --> 1:16:35.439 It's crazy. 1:16:35.560 --> 1:16:36.200 He's still around. 1:16:36.560 --> 1:16:38.960 As they asked me to do something with his uh 1:16:39.000 --> 1:16:41.479 his dog food and brands like it's cool. 1:16:41.600 --> 1:16:43.040 Like he's a good dude. 1:16:43.320 --> 1:16:46.120 We I think Chuck Norris should do something for Chuck 1:16:46.200 --> 1:16:53.479 Liddell's food. That's I'm trying to make a Chuck Chuck 1:16:53.640 --> 1:16:56.800 Norris joke. But I'm not that smart. You did so 1:16:56.840 --> 1:17:00.280 I had nothing. Everyone's got to go check out Chuck 1:17:00.320 --> 1:17:05.440 Liddell on social media, all of the platforms. King of violence, clothing. 1:17:05.560 --> 1:17:06.920 You're wearing a shirt right now. 1:17:06.960 --> 1:17:08.360 Wearing his shirt right now. 1:17:08.640 --> 1:17:09.120 Look at this. 1:17:09.560 --> 1:17:12.800 You see badass. You guys got a little anime look 1:17:12.840 --> 1:17:17.559 to it. Oh my, I like anything else to plug Chuck. 1:17:18.640 --> 1:17:21.200 Oh you know not right now. We've got some other 1:17:21.160 --> 1:17:21.760 stuff coming up. 1:17:21.800 --> 1:17:24.519 But wait, wait, dude, I appreciate you coming into the 1:17:24.560 --> 1:17:29.559 house so much. Man, thank you man. That was an 1:17:29.560 --> 1:17:37.440 awesome episode, Chuck. I didn't realize he was karate wrestling, 1:17:38.200 --> 1:17:43.280 kickboxing kickboxing. It's cool to get all that straightened out. 1:17:43.479 --> 1:17:47.600 The wrestler talk is always cool. Yeah, yeah, I was. 1:17:47.640 --> 1:17:49.920 We were looking. We couldn't get it completely confirmed. You 1:17:49.960 --> 1:17:52.400 talked about Steven Neil, who was at cal State Bakerfield 1:17:52.439 --> 1:17:55.400 win a national championship, beat brock Lessener in the finals. 1:17:56.120 --> 1:17:58.559 Te Doo or Teas might have been teammates with him. 1:17:58.760 --> 1:18:02.680 Teeto or Teas wrestled cal State Bakersfield around you wanted. 1:18:02.400 --> 1:18:05.679 To get there, Okay, I mean he's still Chuck Ladell. 1:18:05.680 --> 1:18:08.679 You don't want to piss him off. All right. 1:18:09.120 --> 1:18:10.679 We had a nice little hang with him afterwards. 1:18:10.720 --> 1:18:13.720 We had a great hand with him. But still all 1:18:13.800 --> 1:18:15.759 kinds of stories told us then too. 1:18:15.680 --> 1:18:19.200 He is a legend being a top dog athlete in 1:18:19.240 --> 1:18:21.720 like two thousand and six, two thousand and seven, like 1:18:21.920 --> 1:18:26.400 pre social media, pre like cameras. Really you could get 1:18:26.400 --> 1:18:27.400 away with some stuff. 1:18:27.760 --> 1:18:31.799 Yeah, And then also how about like his kids playing 1:18:31.840 --> 1:18:38.000 against parents that like are trying to rowle up Chuck Liddell. Okay, 1:18:38.040 --> 1:18:40.679 read a room, Read a fucking room. 1:18:40.720 --> 1:18:44.560 Imagine being twelve years old and Chuck Ladell is heckling you. 1:18:44.600 --> 1:18:48.240 No, but not even that, it's the parents. Like everywhere 1:18:48.240 --> 1:18:51.040 I've been I go to these soccer games. Okay, you 1:18:51.080 --> 1:18:54.880 sit and you see the other parents and stuff, and 1:18:55.320 --> 1:18:58.000 don't for a second tell me you didn't see Chuck 1:18:58.080 --> 1:19:01.280 Liddell don't for a second. Can tell me you didn't 1:19:01.320 --> 1:19:04.320 see Chuck Liddell. You could see him from a mile away, 1:19:04.360 --> 1:19:07.320 to see that mohawk, yep, and his fanny pack and 1:19:07.360 --> 1:19:10.040 the way he stands and ship that's you know, he's 1:19:10.040 --> 1:19:12.680 probably out in the corner back over there in the 1:19:12.720 --> 1:19:15.200 fucking soccer field or the basketball gym where he's just 1:19:15.240 --> 1:19:17.439 sitting there. He's got something in his fanny pack. He's 1:19:17.439 --> 1:19:19.519 getting there and he's got his fuck. Kind of reminded 1:19:19.560 --> 1:19:21.960 me of my dad. But you're not gonna fuck with 1:19:22.040 --> 1:19:25.760 Chuck Leadell. So parents, read the room. 1:19:25.479 --> 1:19:27.360 The chill Zone Ready. 1:19:27.720 --> 1:19:30.080 It's time for the chill Zone, brought to you by 1:19:30.120 --> 1:19:36.599 our favorite beer, cores Light. Get cores Light delivered straight 1:19:36.720 --> 1:19:45.640 to your door. 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I listen to you guys on the road. 1:20:29.640 --> 1:20:33.400 I watched your guests of YouTube videos. My question for Julian, 1:20:34.240 --> 1:20:37.200 I'm always in the Redwood City area working. What do 1:20:37.240 --> 1:20:40.360 you recommend I go to week I like Mexican food, 1:20:40.400 --> 1:20:43.040 I like the Americans, So if you can recommend something 1:20:43.080 --> 1:20:45.720 for me, I really appreciate it. If you guys roll 1:20:45.840 --> 1:20:46.680 you just keep it up. 1:20:46.960 --> 1:20:50.240 Thank you. What's up? Robert from Hollister. I know Hollister 1:20:50.400 --> 1:20:52.160 very well, used to play them Pop Warner and then 1:20:52.200 --> 1:20:54.519 also it's up Rocky. It's right by Gilroy and that's 1:20:54.520 --> 1:20:57.240 where you used to take your dirt bikes Hollister. It's 1:20:57.280 --> 1:20:59.719 like it's like a it's a commute. It's a commute, 1:20:59.760 --> 1:21:02.200 especial with that traffic. So we appreciate you listening to 1:21:02.240 --> 1:21:07.719 our show during that commute. Mexican food and Redwood City easy. 1:21:07.720 --> 1:21:10.679 If you want a burrito, I'm a Chavez meat market guy. 1:21:11.360 --> 1:21:15.439 Uh not the one off Fifth Avenue? What is the other? 1:21:16.280 --> 1:21:20.320 The one right by uh Off of Whipple. There's a 1:21:20.360 --> 1:21:23.960 perpendicular street. Don't go to the fifth Avenue. Fifth Avenue 1:21:24.000 --> 1:21:26.960 One's fine, it does, it's justice, but it's not the 1:21:27.000 --> 1:21:31.280 original Chavez meat Market. Uh. Dad's been going there since 1:21:31.320 --> 1:21:34.360 he was like eight. We've been going to that place forever. 1:21:34.439 --> 1:21:37.439 They used to have a place called Liz Teca. And 1:21:37.479 --> 1:21:39.720 this this lady who's down it. She was kind of 1:21:39.760 --> 1:21:41.960 a pretty lady. I remember as a kid, and she 1:21:42.120 --> 1:21:43.880 like knew my dad because my dad's been going to 1:21:43.880 --> 1:21:47.040 these Mexican restaurants since he was like fucking kid, and 1:21:47.120 --> 1:21:49.720 so I remember they don't have last Teca. But if 1:21:49.720 --> 1:21:54.839 you want some street tacos lgs el gren Taco eltent, 1:21:55.760 --> 1:21:58.559 Taco Grenze. Damn, I can't roll my r with my 1:21:58.600 --> 1:22:08.640 dip in right now. So yeah, chaves me Margaret, Tacos lgs, 1:22:08.760 --> 1:22:13.240 Taco Grenze. There's like four of them. Uh those are 1:22:13.240 --> 1:22:14.080 my spots. 1:22:14.439 --> 1:22:15.439 What are you ordering there? 1:22:15.880 --> 1:22:18.520 I always just get a super burrito at Chavez. 1:22:18.800 --> 1:22:21.080 So what's that? Guaka sour cream? No guac? 1:22:21.120 --> 1:22:24.320 I don't like quaking my my burrito. I like, I 1:22:24.400 --> 1:22:27.800 like my burritos sour creamy, Okay, So I go. They 1:22:27.920 --> 1:22:35.160 they throw in a uh a pinto bean rice, pico 1:22:35.200 --> 1:22:40.599 de gayo, salsa kiso. I usually go with the cardne 1:22:40.800 --> 1:22:46.280 sado or uh and then they put like a pico 1:22:46.280 --> 1:22:51.400 de guayo in there with crema casso. Yeah, it's pretty good. 1:22:51.479 --> 1:22:53.519 It's like my favorite. I like that, and it's got 1:22:53.520 --> 1:22:58.439 like the runny sour cream. Runny sour cream for Mexican food, 1:22:59.000 --> 1:23:00.800 can't be having like some fucking what is it a 1:23:01.920 --> 1:23:04.880 dolls or whatever, like squeezing some sour cream that you 1:23:04.880 --> 1:23:05.559 should be putting. 1:23:05.880 --> 1:23:08.479 Now, are you ever like for me for burritos, I'm 1:23:08.479 --> 1:23:10.920 a big like burrito and sauce on top of every bike. 1:23:11.040 --> 1:23:12.720 Yeah, you gotta get the sauce of very day and 1:23:12.720 --> 1:23:15.639 you put it every bite, Yeah, every bite and then 1:23:15.720 --> 1:23:18.800 tacos LG's I just go. They also have kind of 1:23:18.840 --> 1:23:21.559 sneaky good case ideas where they they make the case 1:23:21.560 --> 1:23:23.880 of d and then they cut it up and they 1:23:23.880 --> 1:23:27.080 put lettuce, sour cream and the salsa. It's it's a 1:23:27.120 --> 1:23:30.479 fucking messy case on top of it, so you have 1:23:30.479 --> 1:23:33.000 to use four king knife where you're going hands. Yeah, 1:23:33.240 --> 1:23:34.920 me and my boy dro used to snag those all 1:23:34.960 --> 1:23:35.280 the time. 1:23:36.000 --> 1:23:37.360 Is it a type of place that's cutting up. But 1:23:37.479 --> 1:23:40.200 you know, like the spackle spatulas. Yeah, they're cutting up 1:23:40.240 --> 1:23:40.479 with that. 1:23:41.000 --> 1:23:43.240 Oh no, they're just cutting they so they'll grab the 1:23:43.520 --> 1:23:45.200 This is how they do. They grab the piece of 1:23:45.200 --> 1:23:47.600 the meat. And they used to be able to eyeball it. 1:23:47.640 --> 1:23:51.320 Now they've gotten a little too capitalistic now for my liking. 1:23:51.680 --> 1:23:55.439 Where they're measuring ship out. Then I understand where you're going. 1:23:55.520 --> 1:23:57.439 But you know, they used to eyeball it and then 1:23:57.479 --> 1:24:01.040 they fucking cut it right there out with the like 1:24:01.120 --> 1:24:05.080 the butcher knife. Yeah, and they and they get it 1:24:05.160 --> 1:24:06.599 and they put it on your burrito and they roll 1:24:06.640 --> 1:24:09.040 it nice and tight. They used to steam the tortilla 1:24:09.040 --> 1:24:12.439 and now they've changed it or yeah, now they have 1:24:12.560 --> 1:24:16.719 like a presser. Okay, but uh, I'm a Chavez meat market. 1:24:17.160 --> 1:24:18.320 LG's for tacos. 1:24:18.320 --> 1:24:20.080 Did you take us? I think you took us there 1:24:20.120 --> 1:24:21.120 when we were there years ago. 1:24:21.120 --> 1:24:21.519 It was it good? 1:24:21.640 --> 1:24:23.360 Yeah, I remember being really good. You like it's kind 1:24:23.360 --> 1:24:24.879 of like in the like kind of like a convenience 1:24:24.920 --> 1:24:25.960 store type vibe. 1:24:26.120 --> 1:24:28.599 Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's old's a Mexican market, so 1:24:28.720 --> 1:24:31.680 good great, and they also have really good So that's 1:24:31.680 --> 1:24:33.400 what we'll do is We'll buy a bunch of their 1:24:33.439 --> 1:24:36.439 meat there because it's a meat market and you could 1:24:36.439 --> 1:24:38.439 buy and you can make your own tacos. So like 1:24:38.479 --> 1:24:42.240 if I do tacos, I'll buy their meat. They season 1:24:42.280 --> 1:24:44.640 it and they got like the flank steak, like the 1:24:44.800 --> 1:24:47.200 very thin yeah, and then you cut, you put that 1:24:47.280 --> 1:24:49.960 on there and bang you get the sides within. All 1:24:49.960 --> 1:24:52.439 their sauces and stuff like we always do that. We 1:24:52.840 --> 1:24:55.439 cater with them a bunch. I love Chavez Meat Market. Shit, 1:24:55.479 --> 1:24:57.760 I make it a burrito time. I know they don't have. 1:24:57.880 --> 1:24:59.960 It's different. Those different a mission style burrito. 1:25:00.280 --> 1:25:01.439 The tortillas are different. 1:25:01.560 --> 1:25:03.840 Yeah, and we're mission style like out here. They don't 1:25:03.840 --> 1:25:06.080 put they don't put rice and beans in there. 1:25:06.439 --> 1:25:11.320 My spot does. Which is it? It's I don't want 1:25:11.320 --> 1:25:13.280 to blow it up. But on Vine and Melrose in 1:25:13.320 --> 1:25:15.960 the Pavilions parking lot. Oh and what they do? 1:25:16.040 --> 1:25:16.840 Wait? Wait is it? 1:25:16.880 --> 1:25:18.000 Wait? I took you that place? 1:25:18.400 --> 1:25:20.920 Yeah, but you keep on. Those are all the same. 1:25:22.840 --> 1:25:25.320 Those are all the stirrup palette because there's no well, 1:25:25.360 --> 1:25:26.960 I'm just telling you, like I've been to the one 1:25:27.040 --> 1:25:27.840 right down the road. 1:25:28.280 --> 1:25:31.040 Mind's better than yours. Ones. I agree with that. Mine's 1:25:31.040 --> 1:25:34.120 better than yours. That Yeah, we're on the west side, west. 1:25:33.840 --> 1:25:36.719 Side, but there's the Brothers one on the west side 1:25:36.760 --> 1:25:40.320 that was okay, it's that, But when I go to 1:25:40.360 --> 1:25:43.720 those ones, so what we're what we're talking about in 1:25:43.800 --> 1:25:46.599 like uh, parking lots or on the side of streets 1:25:46.600 --> 1:25:49.559 in La you'll have people at five o'clock that they 1:25:49.640 --> 1:25:51.760 just bring their freaking flat top and they make their 1:25:51.760 --> 1:25:56.080 own tacos and burritos and ship only one complaint for me, 1:25:56.280 --> 1:25:59.559 But I I solve the complaint. I bring my own crema. 1:26:00.240 --> 1:26:03.639 So I'll bring sour cream because you'll you'll order your 1:26:03.680 --> 1:26:05.400 thing and then you put your own ship on and 1:26:05.400 --> 1:26:07.400 then they roll it for you. So I'll put my 1:26:07.439 --> 1:26:09.320 ship in. I'll get my sour cream out of my 1:26:09.400 --> 1:26:12.120 pocket and I'll pour it on there. And my dude 1:26:12.120 --> 1:26:14.360 always looks at me, he goes, that's smart. 1:26:14.680 --> 1:26:16.559 So you bring sour cream and then you put it 1:26:16.560 --> 1:26:18.200 in when they put it in. See, I put the 1:26:18.200 --> 1:26:19.760 sour cream on top when I'm not. 1:26:19.960 --> 1:26:22.880 It's gotta I like the juices to formulate in the 1:26:22.920 --> 1:26:26.719 burrito with the sour cream. Then it becomes a creamy juice. 1:26:27.080 --> 1:26:29.559 I might have to steal that move Yeah. 1:26:29.400 --> 1:26:32.439 It's it's a spectacular move like it makes those it makes. 1:26:32.640 --> 1:26:34.439 It's just it's so much work for me to do that. 1:26:34.479 --> 1:26:37.600 I only do it like once a month because like 1:26:37.600 --> 1:26:39.519 I gotta plant it out because I get I get 1:26:39.560 --> 1:26:42.719 sticked out with like if the sour cream gets too warm, 1:26:43.760 --> 1:26:45.800 you know what I mean. So, but those are those 1:26:45.800 --> 1:26:48.080 are those are the those are the best around here 1:26:48.120 --> 1:26:48.400 for those. 1:26:48.600 --> 1:26:50.880 But it's a different style because like the Mission style burritos, 1:26:50.880 --> 1:26:53.120 it's a little bit tighter. The tortilla is a little 1:26:53.160 --> 1:26:55.160 bit different. You're gonna have sour cream, right. 1:26:56.880 --> 1:27:00.160 They usually have a pico too. In nor Cow like 1:27:00.200 --> 1:27:02.920 a lot of times they'll just put cilantro onion. Here. 1:27:03.160 --> 1:27:04.679 I had a little tomato in there. 1:27:04.600 --> 1:27:06.960 Yeah, I agree, little lime juice in there. The place 1:27:07.000 --> 1:27:08.840 that I go to when you get a burrito, you 1:27:08.840 --> 1:27:12.080 can ask with con Queso. They throw the cheese down 1:27:12.280 --> 1:27:13.280 on the grid. 1:27:12.960 --> 1:27:15.160 And they then they put on this tortilla on top. 1:27:15.240 --> 1:27:18.200 And yeah, I've been them. 1:27:19.120 --> 1:27:20.800 How long is you been a Boston fan? 1:27:22.320 --> 1:27:25.680 And did you hate any Boston players teams growing up? 1:27:26.760 --> 1:27:29.760 Thanks to have a nice day. 1:27:30.600 --> 1:27:34.000 What's up, buddy, I've been a Boston fan. I became 1:27:34.040 --> 1:27:37.679 a Boston fan. Right when I got drafted two thousand 1:27:37.720 --> 1:27:40.719 and nine, I went out and bought me a Celtics hat. 1:27:41.280 --> 1:27:43.240 I went out and got me a Red Sox hat. 1:27:43.320 --> 1:27:47.040 I've always I've never like on the West Coast. You 1:27:47.080 --> 1:27:49.439 really didn't know about Boston all that much. I knew 1:27:49.439 --> 1:27:52.080 they were the sexy team with Kurt Shilling and those guys, 1:27:52.120 --> 1:27:54.280 and like you all liked Big Poppy, but they were 1:27:54.400 --> 1:27:57.160 kind of like they were the likable team to a 1:27:57.160 --> 1:28:00.000 West Coaster compared to the Yankees, underdog to the Yanks. 1:28:00.560 --> 1:28:03.880 I hated Yankees growing up. Yeah, sick hat, love the hat, 1:28:04.000 --> 1:28:07.280 love the Unis, but I could never wear a Yankees cap, 1:28:07.320 --> 1:28:09.640 like even as a kid, Just like I don't like 1:28:09.680 --> 1:28:12.800 the Dodgers. You know, I'm a Bay Area kid. I don't. 1:28:12.800 --> 1:28:15.519 I hate the La Dodgers hat. Such a sick hat, 1:28:15.640 --> 1:28:17.960 but I can't wear it. You know, I'm a SF fan. 1:28:18.520 --> 1:28:20.920 But uh, I would say two thousand and nine because 1:28:20.920 --> 1:28:25.720 when I got there, the Celtics just won the championship 1:28:25.720 --> 1:28:29.320 in two thousand and eight, Big Three, and then I 1:28:29.439 --> 1:28:31.400 was in. I got to go to the playoffs when 1:28:31.400 --> 1:28:33.920 they were playing against the Lakers as a rookie and 1:28:34.000 --> 1:28:36.400 I started going. That was like the first basketball games 1:28:36.439 --> 1:28:39.280 I really went to, and the Bruins were doing good 1:28:39.680 --> 1:28:41.760 and I became friends with a bunch of the Bruins, 1:28:42.800 --> 1:28:45.320 So I think, I think right when I got there, 1:28:45.800 --> 1:28:48.160 I like took on the Boston thing. I was like, man, 1:28:48.160 --> 1:28:51.080 I fucking love this place, pro city towns kind of 1:28:51.120 --> 1:28:54.719 like my Bay Area, and like it didn't have any refute, 1:28:54.760 --> 1:28:56.480 Like it didn't refute with San Francisco. 1:28:57.000 --> 1:28:59.040 I understand, you know what I mean. It's a nice, clean, 1:28:59.439 --> 1:29:01.759 different car conference or a different side of the country. 1:29:02.000 --> 1:29:04.759 It's not offensive, there's no rivalries. I totally understand. 1:29:04.840 --> 1:29:06.960 But it wasn't like the Lakers or Yankees where you 1:29:07.000 --> 1:29:08.920 just hated both of them because those are the great 1:29:08.960 --> 1:29:11.799 you know what I mean, even though the Boston teams 1:29:11.800 --> 1:29:14.320 were the greats too, but it's a different They've always 1:29:14.320 --> 1:29:16.000 been like an underdog looking team. 1:29:16.120 --> 1:29:19.400 Yeah, I understand. I just bought an La King's shirt 1:29:19.479 --> 1:29:22.720 yesterday just because like there is no friction between them 1:29:22.720 --> 1:29:24.280 and the Penguins, and then it's sick things. So it's 1:29:24.320 --> 1:29:27.640 like I understand the cross country, the cross conference. 1:29:27.880 --> 1:29:31.040 Ever since that La skate, I felt a little more 1:29:31.120 --> 1:29:34.360 part of this community. Yeah, and like I've looked at 1:29:34.400 --> 1:29:35.759 the Kings games now a little. 1:29:36.040 --> 1:29:38.120 Yeah, we should go to they're probably in the playoffs. 1:29:38.120 --> 1:29:40.160 We should go to a playoff game. We should that'd 1:29:40.160 --> 1:29:43.160 be sick. Was just in town, So was there any 1:29:43.280 --> 1:29:47.400 we have last night? Were there any players Boston players 1:29:47.439 --> 1:29:47.840 you hated? 1:29:49.200 --> 1:29:51.960 I didn't hate any of them. I liked Garcia Papara, 1:29:51.960 --> 1:29:56.080 I liked everyone said there, what is his name? No 1:29:56.160 --> 1:30:00.400 more Garcia Para, Yeah, no more Garcia Para. I I 1:30:00.760 --> 1:30:03.880 just remember watching Ship like like the batting gloves. 1:30:03.960 --> 1:30:06.280 Cooked with the fucking shot clock now. 1:30:06.280 --> 1:30:09.200 Yeah, just just cooked. And I loved Poppy. I mean 1:30:09.240 --> 1:30:11.920 Poppy was like I just remember in high school seeing 1:30:11.960 --> 1:30:14.800 this guy swearing at the mic after they just won 1:30:14.880 --> 1:30:16.720 a World Series and beat the Yankees. I was like, 1:30:16.760 --> 1:30:18.160 this guy is fucking badass. 1:30:18.520 --> 1:30:21.880 Now were there so well? You must have had eyes 1:30:21.920 --> 1:30:23.840 on Tom Brady being a Bay kid playing. 1:30:24.320 --> 1:30:28.320 So I liked. I liked so I actually even more. Yeah, 1:30:28.520 --> 1:30:32.360 you're you're refreshing me. So Tom was from my area, 1:30:32.479 --> 1:30:34.599 so I always I liked the pain. I had no 1:30:34.640 --> 1:30:37.040 clue that they were part of Boston though, I didn't 1:30:37.040 --> 1:30:40.120 know where New England was before I got there, so 1:30:40.200 --> 1:30:42.080 I got I didn't just like zero clue or he 1:30:42.200 --> 1:30:45.519 just knew it was generally fucking you know, like the 1:30:45.560 --> 1:30:49.200 pregame of Madden. I would play with the Patriots after 1:30:49.280 --> 1:30:51.080 like Tom won a Super Bowl and like oh one 1:30:51.160 --> 1:30:54.240 or something, and I'm like, where the fuck is this place. 1:30:54.320 --> 1:30:57.880 It's like in a forest, like there's no city, you 1:30:57.920 --> 1:30:59.519 know what I mean. I didn't really know what New 1:30:59.520 --> 1:31:03.320 England was like that. And then you know, just I 1:31:03.600 --> 1:31:06.720 always rooted for Tom because he was from the like 1:31:07.040 --> 1:31:09.519 right where I grew up, and he was kind of 1:31:09.520 --> 1:31:13.080 the underdog, like the whole Michigan story. He had to 1:31:13.120 --> 1:31:15.559 play for his job, like that was all kind of 1:31:16.000 --> 1:31:16.800 known in the Bay. 1:31:16.920 --> 1:31:17.320 Yeah. 1:31:17.360 --> 1:31:20.880 And then also like Peyton Manning was the guy and 1:31:20.880 --> 1:31:23.840 everyone was hyping up him up and then Tom came 1:31:23.880 --> 1:31:26.040 and he was winning. Like I liked that story. 1:31:26.200 --> 1:31:28.000 Well, he he was kind of in that same like 1:31:28.200 --> 1:31:31.080 Boston Red Sox underdog in the first dynasty, was in 1:31:31.160 --> 1:31:33.680 that easy to root for a like loo care you know. 1:31:33.800 --> 1:31:36.000 And then the Bay connections, I'm assuming with just the 1:31:36.040 --> 1:31:39.200 Bay connection was everything. Good question. 1:31:39.280 --> 1:31:40.280 That was a really good question, you know. 1:31:40.360 --> 1:31:46.360 Man, Yeah, Julian Middleman, It's your boy much mean ween deceived. 1:31:46.600 --> 1:31:49.200 You see him playing about the games with Main Studio 1:31:49.200 --> 1:31:51.760 when the goodyear blink, you know, And I've been thinking 1:31:51.760 --> 1:31:53.719 about coming down there because there was something I gotta 1:31:53.760 --> 1:31:55.880 teach you. You know, I'm gonna bing you over my 1:31:55.960 --> 1:31:58.760 knee and take off this World Heavyweight championship, build you 1:31:58.800 --> 1:32:01.080 and beat you with it like you he should have you. 1:32:01.520 --> 1:32:03.160 You ain't gonna be able to handle with the macho 1:32:03.200 --> 1:32:07.720 mans doing for you to like the cream of the crupt. Yes, 1:32:07.920 --> 1:32:10.080 I'll get your leaders, little boy. 1:32:10.240 --> 1:32:13.639 Yeah, no question, but pretty good macho? 1:32:13.880 --> 1:32:15.479 Was that just Jack too much Corse light? 1:32:20.120 --> 1:32:22.920 We gotta just we should start picking in a post 1:32:22.960 --> 1:32:25.720 segment picking. I just want to pick a macho man 1:32:25.840 --> 1:32:28.760 Randy Savage clip that I find and we just talked 1:32:28.800 --> 1:32:30.639 about it for two minutes, three minutes. 1:32:30.760 --> 1:32:34.760 Conon O'Briant. When when NBC and Universal merged years ago, 1:32:34.800 --> 1:32:36.680 when Con O'Brian was doing the Late Show whatever it 1:32:36.760 --> 1:32:39.439 used to be called, he had a Walker Texas Ranger 1:32:39.560 --> 1:32:41.360 level lever and every once in a while he just 1:32:41.360 --> 1:32:43.639 pulled the lever and just be the most random, hilarious 1:32:43.680 --> 1:32:46.240 Walker Texas Ranger clip. I feel like we could do 1:32:46.280 --> 1:32:50.360 that for macho man. Yeah, macho man lever I just. 1:32:50.320 --> 1:32:54.479 Saw I think I saw him skiing on the Alps last week. 1:32:54.840 --> 1:33:01.719 For my algorithm, that's because you were just skiing, skie. 1:33:02.200 --> 1:33:10.680 I'm about to show this mache this mache mountain. Who 1:33:12.080 --> 1:33:12.519 right there? 1:33:13.160 --> 1:33:16.800 Awesome? Uh we I'll tell you later. But there's a 1:33:16.840 --> 1:33:19.920 guest coming on that's doing a very deep cut WWE 1:33:20.120 --> 1:33:24.320 match coming up because he's a wrestler adjacent he we 1:33:24.360 --> 1:33:26.400 just got invited to the w the A e W 1:33:26.640 --> 1:33:28.400 event in Long Beach in a couple of weeks O 1:33:28.920 --> 1:33:31.200 A e W, m LW. 1:33:31.200 --> 1:33:35.720 Sorry MLW, considering I was only only a ww F 1:33:35.800 --> 1:33:40.200 guy and I just had to get to WWE anyone 1:33:40.200 --> 1:33:43.000 who did the WCW. I mean, I loved Goldberg, but 1:33:43.080 --> 1:33:46.040 he was the only one from WCW, and there was 1:33:46.080 --> 1:33:48.760 a couple of the other off brand ones. Okay, I'm 1:33:48.800 --> 1:33:54.400 just telling you. I'm a one brand guym one brand guy. 1:33:56.320 --> 1:33:59.360 WWF that turned into WWE. 1:33:59.640 --> 1:34:02.520 This my speak to my childhood. But when I think WWF, 1:34:02.560 --> 1:34:05.040 I do actually think the World Wildlife Federation. Because I 1:34:05.040 --> 1:34:07.240 had to post a picture. It was a sticker of 1:34:07.240 --> 1:34:11.880 a panda with WWF and my parents refrigerator. It's hard 1:34:11.880 --> 1:34:13.679 to believe they won anyway. 1:34:14.040 --> 1:34:19.439 Last voicemail, Hey, Jules, my dad and I have always 1:34:19.720 --> 1:34:24.840 wondered in Super Bowl forty nine, at right after the 1:34:24.840 --> 1:34:28.200 Malcolm Butler interception, Michael Bennett jumps off side. 1:34:28.960 --> 1:34:31.080 But what was the play call. 1:34:31.040 --> 1:34:31.639 In the huddle? 1:34:32.320 --> 1:34:34.599 Was it a QB sneak or was it something different? 1:34:35.280 --> 1:34:40.200 Thanks, that's a great question. I think I want to 1:34:40.240 --> 1:34:42.559 say it was a QB sneak because we needed to 1:34:42.600 --> 1:34:45.920 gain some rooms, like on like six you couldn't take 1:34:46.400 --> 1:34:50.400 a knee, so it was a QB sneak. We were 1:34:50.400 --> 1:34:54.080 actually tripping in the not tripping, but like on high alert, 1:34:54.160 --> 1:34:56.439 like boys, we need to execute this play. The game's 1:34:56.479 --> 1:35:01.759 not over. And you know, thankfully Mike jumped off sides 1:35:01.800 --> 1:35:04.679 and that was a game and then we had melee 1:35:04.720 --> 1:35:08.280 after melee and then it was fucking ww F out there. 1:35:09.760 --> 1:35:12.080 So but it was a QB sneak. 1:35:12.200 --> 1:35:14.479 That's something gets lost with that game is that after 1:35:14.520 --> 1:35:17.360 the interception wasn't just like confetti. There was that like 1:35:17.640 --> 1:35:20.040 balls on the six inch line. You gotta not have 1:35:20.080 --> 1:35:20.720 a safety here. 1:35:21.479 --> 1:35:26.479 Gronk and Michael just fucking throwing haymakers and it was 1:35:26.600 --> 1:35:30.599 kind of at the point where like I bet you 1:35:30.640 --> 1:35:33.479 at that point it was I'm thinking now, like looking 1:35:33.520 --> 1:35:34.920 back on it, you can probably get a couple of 1:35:34.960 --> 1:35:36.360 punches and you wouldn't get suspended. 1:35:36.880 --> 1:35:38.719 Why was Slater on the field. 1:35:38.800 --> 1:35:41.240 He's because he was always in the right tight diamond 1:35:41.320 --> 1:35:42.840 kill part of the field. 1:35:42.920 --> 1:35:46.240 So that but wasn't that isn't that, Neil, I. 1:35:46.160 --> 1:35:48.559 Think he may have been in it is also he 1:35:48.560 --> 1:35:50.680 would always be on there just because he would be 1:35:50.720 --> 1:35:54.280 the safety. Okay, if anything ever were to happen there 1:35:54.320 --> 1:35:56.559 was a fumbled snap, they somehow got it. He was 1:35:56.600 --> 1:35:58.479 like our fastest guy that could go get. 1:35:58.360 --> 1:36:00.880 Him, fastest smart on the field. 1:36:01.200 --> 1:36:04.840 Yeah, so we always put Slate on right tight diamond kill. 1:36:05.160 --> 1:36:07.519 Best playing football the knee, the knee. 1:36:07.520 --> 1:36:10.360 All right, before we wrap up, let's go some of 1:36:10.360 --> 1:36:12.960 you might know we've been doing YouTube premieres for full 1:36:13.000 --> 1:36:16.000 length episodes. Jackson there, I'm in there. You've been in there. 1:36:16.080 --> 1:36:18.080 It's a lot of fun. This is the whole crew 1:36:18.080 --> 1:36:21.200 of people the mem accounts in their shoutout daland and 1:36:21.240 --> 1:36:25.040 we encourage you to leave comments that we will communicate 1:36:25.080 --> 1:36:27.000 and talk about on the show. Well here they are 1:36:27.160 --> 1:36:28.920 also it's good for the algorithm to comment on the show. 1:36:28.920 --> 1:36:30.280 So you think you need to help, would be great. 1:36:30.400 --> 1:36:33.240 So here are some comments that people left in the 1:36:33.280 --> 1:36:35.720 full length episodes. Do you want me to read them? 1:36:35.760 --> 1:36:36.400 Do you want to read them? 1:36:36.560 --> 1:36:39.600 Need Danny would head on the show? I agree, or 1:36:39.720 --> 1:36:40.240 you would be free. 1:36:40.520 --> 1:36:42.680 Right now? Nebraska, he's in Nebraska. 1:36:42.720 --> 1:36:45.280 He's probably golf and he's a great golfer. Danny's an 1:36:45.360 --> 1:36:47.840 unbelievable golfer, and he's a great dad. He's probably like 1:36:48.520 --> 1:36:51.439 him and his wife. They're like just a great they're 1:36:51.560 --> 1:36:54.679 such great Midwest people. They probably at a soccer event 1:36:54.800 --> 1:36:55.200 right now. 1:36:55.479 --> 1:36:56.719 Is Nebraska Midwest? 1:36:56.800 --> 1:37:00.519 Yeah, Nebraska's Midwest is Heartland different from Midwest? Yeah, I 1:37:00.520 --> 1:37:03.759 don't know, but I put the Yeah, it's all they're 1:37:03.760 --> 1:37:07.360 in the same. Yeah, okay, just delightful people. 1:37:07.720 --> 1:37:10.240 He's he's a top person that people recommend to have 1:37:10.360 --> 1:37:10.680 on the show. 1:37:11.280 --> 1:37:13.160 Yeah, we need to. I think he's he has his 1:37:13.200 --> 1:37:14.040 own shows and stuff. 1:37:14.280 --> 1:37:16.600 Yeah. I think she just had some stuff before. I 1:37:16.640 --> 1:37:19.320 would love to have Woody on give me some golfing tips. Yeah, 1:37:19.360 --> 1:37:20.479 I need a lot of them. 1:37:20.840 --> 1:37:26.360 He's dude. Woody is like scratch. I remember hearing about 1:37:26.439 --> 1:37:29.080 him when we were playing, and you know, he's got 1:37:29.120 --> 1:37:30.559 a lot more time on his hand to work on 1:37:30.600 --> 1:37:32.920 that ship, so he's probably fucking He didn't try to 1:37:32.960 --> 1:37:35.080 qualify a couple of times. I remember we tweeted for 1:37:35.120 --> 1:37:35.920 some shit for him. 1:37:35.920 --> 1:37:37.960 He was close. I think in the US Open I 1:37:38.240 --> 1:37:40.000 have to double check in that, but that was Aiden 1:37:40.120 --> 1:37:43.440 Lamir twenty one. Thanks for that comment, Drake Ankram. 1:37:43.640 --> 1:37:46.479 Episodes with both mccordy's would be dope. I think that 1:37:46.520 --> 1:37:47.200 would be amazing. 1:37:47.280 --> 1:37:48.200 Can you tell them apart? 1:37:48.680 --> 1:37:51.599 Yeah, easy, easy, I can easily tell them. I don't 1:37:51.600 --> 1:37:52.400 know why, but I can. 1:37:52.640 --> 1:37:55.240 When you know twins, it's actually super EASi and own part. 1:37:55.280 --> 1:37:57.000 It's just when you don't know him that it's hard. 1:37:57.400 --> 1:38:03.559 Jason, like in his eye area, like right here for 1:38:03.720 --> 1:38:06.479 podcasters that are listening, it's right here. If you look 1:38:09.320 --> 1:38:11.600 like I see it right in this area. Like the 1:38:11.720 --> 1:38:15.519 eyes a little different then that. The shape of the 1:38:15.560 --> 1:38:21.320 head is a little different too, shaved both, yeah, but 1:38:21.400 --> 1:38:26.080 shaped a little. And the voices are different too. I 1:38:26.120 --> 1:38:28.720 know the voice too, and the tones are different. The 1:38:29.600 --> 1:38:34.639 tones are Devin's an asshole tone, Jason's an informational tone. 1:38:34.680 --> 1:38:37.120 What's the difference between do you like an example of 1:38:37.120 --> 1:38:38.080 an asshole tone. 1:38:38.720 --> 1:38:43.320 I don't know Dev's Dev's they're just they're they're fucking 1:38:43.320 --> 1:38:45.680 they'd be amazing on the show because there's they're just 1:38:46.320 --> 1:38:48.240 those are the guys that smoke in front of the team. 1:38:48.439 --> 1:38:53.040 They could speak in front of people. Yeah, oh I 1:38:53.080 --> 1:38:55.120 love They're really good to watch too. 1:38:55.280 --> 1:39:00.120 Yeah, they're great at Bay Shaughnessy five three one for 1:39:01.240 --> 1:39:03.000 intelligence was key. 1:39:03.840 --> 1:39:07.960 The intelligence was the key to New England's dynasty. All 1:39:08.040 --> 1:39:10.439 these former pats are intelligent guys. 1:39:10.680 --> 1:39:14.519 Intelligent not reading. There's a fine line between those two. 1:39:14.840 --> 1:39:16.439 Doesn't mean you don't have to be a great reader 1:39:16.439 --> 1:39:23.120 to be intelligent. Yeah, completely agree, and me too. Yeah, 1:39:23.160 --> 1:39:28.040 I mean we had we haven't We had some smart guys. Yeah, 1:39:28.080 --> 1:39:31.840 I mean we had to. We were we were in 1:39:31.920 --> 1:39:35.360 class all day and like if you didn't do good 1:39:35.360 --> 1:39:39.400 on your test, you got fired. So guys you had 1:39:39.439 --> 1:39:42.000 to stick around. Guys had to be able to retain information. 1:39:42.640 --> 1:39:44.280 There's one you know what I mean. There we had. 1:39:44.840 --> 1:39:47.360 We had a really good group of guys. There wasn't 1:39:47.360 --> 1:39:50.880 that many assholes. Weren't many. I don't, I don't. There 1:39:51.200 --> 1:39:52.000 wasn't any really. 1:39:52.200 --> 1:39:52.800 Yeah. 1:39:52.880 --> 1:39:55.400 There guys worked hard and that was that was a 1:39:55.400 --> 1:39:59.720 product of because of our leadership, the guys at the 1:39:59.720 --> 1:40:03.840 top up the Tom Brady's, no one else thought they could. 1:40:04.080 --> 1:40:04.760 Yeah. 1:40:04.840 --> 1:40:07.040 You know, it's not cool when you roll up into 1:40:07.080 --> 1:40:11.479 the locker room like ten chains and fucking new. No, 1:40:11.560 --> 1:40:14.400 it's cool is when you roll up and you break 1:40:14.439 --> 1:40:18.400 down a coverage with the quarterback that you saw in 1:40:18.439 --> 1:40:21.800 the game, that he saw and create that conversation. That's 1:40:21.800 --> 1:40:25.040 fucking cool because you know what that turns into. That 1:40:25.120 --> 1:40:28.200 turns into another chain. Yeah, if he throws you the rock. 1:40:28.479 --> 1:40:30.720 Yeah. One of my favorite things about the show is 1:40:30.720 --> 1:40:34.080 that generally athletes and football players don't really have the 1:40:34.120 --> 1:40:37.479 opportunity to have a long form piece of media out there. 1:40:37.720 --> 1:40:39.840 So it's like you bring all these pages guys front 1:40:39.840 --> 1:40:42.000 office and players, and there's two three hours where they 1:40:42.040 --> 1:40:43.479 can talk and you can just talk football and you 1:40:43.520 --> 1:40:46.120 can really like dive into the intelligence of these guys. 1:40:46.360 --> 1:40:48.320 What's her name? But what's the name? 1:40:48.640 --> 1:40:50.360 Bay Shaughnessy five three? 1:40:50.439 --> 1:40:55.800 One? That's probably directed to Rid. She's like, man, Rid's 1:40:55.800 --> 1:40:57.240 a lot smarter than I thought he was. 1:41:00.000 --> 1:41:01.280 Why would you say that, Chiels, Why would you? 1:41:01.640 --> 1:41:03.839 I don't know, because he's a running back they probably 1:41:04.040 --> 1:41:06.280 ridd some funny ass dude. He didn't talk that much 1:41:06.280 --> 1:41:08.559 and that was his first podcast, so she probably saw 1:41:08.600 --> 1:41:11.280 the riddly episode. She said, like, man, I didn't think 1:41:11.320 --> 1:41:13.160 he was that smart, but he's pretty fucking smart. 1:41:13.280 --> 1:41:17.160 Yeah, and it's like, if Rid's that smart, how much? Yeah, 1:41:17.720 --> 1:41:19.400 we got to do more stuff with rad. He was great. 1:41:19.479 --> 1:41:22.800 He's got more stories too, He's the best. A couple 1:41:22.840 --> 1:41:24.280 more here da. 1:41:24.640 --> 1:41:28.600 J Morn, I know, get j Morn saw him es 1:41:28.680 --> 1:41:34.160 Court Genie in the opening shot. Funny dude and big 1:41:34.200 --> 1:41:37.400 sports guy. That was what a couple of weeks ago, 1:41:37.760 --> 1:41:39.960 and we were texting back and forth and I had 1:41:40.000 --> 1:41:43.120 to travel and we we got to do a pod swap. 1:41:43.160 --> 1:41:45.160 For sure. He's he's definitely a funny guy. 1:41:45.400 --> 1:41:47.600 I mean he's spent like twenty minutes going through like 1:41:47.640 --> 1:41:49.200 the Member billion everything roasting. 1:41:49.240 --> 1:41:50.759 He had a story on everything. 1:41:50.840 --> 1:41:51.160 Yeah. 1:41:51.560 --> 1:41:53.280 Yeah, we got to get him on the show, and 1:41:53.320 --> 1:41:56.120 we got to do his show. Got Jenie bust before 1:41:56.160 --> 1:42:02.639 we got Tom Unreal, Yeah, I know, pretty unreal. Does 1:42:02.720 --> 1:42:05.360 the Bubble Championship really count? Yeah? 1:42:05.400 --> 1:42:07.559 Yeah? All the teams were there, right, you had to 1:42:07.600 --> 1:42:08.760 beat every team to win? 1:42:10.479 --> 1:42:10.919 Yeah? 1:42:11.080 --> 1:42:16.200 Okay, last couple here a World's most hated three thousand. 1:42:16.920 --> 1:42:22.160 Congrats on half a MILLI cheers to a half a 1:42:22.200 --> 1:42:22.760 MILLI more. 1:42:23.040 --> 1:42:25.080 We have five hundred thousand subscribers on YouTube. 1:42:25.200 --> 1:42:26.000 Let's fucking go. 1:42:26.120 --> 1:42:27.320 Thank you guys. That's all you guys. 1:42:27.400 --> 1:42:35.080 Hell yeah, World's most hated three thousand. Thanks for fucking see. 1:42:35.240 --> 1:42:39.639 I would never hate you for bringing that up. Why 1:42:39.720 --> 1:42:41.639 do you think the name is World's most hated? 1:42:42.240 --> 1:42:42.439 Is that? 1:42:42.560 --> 1:42:42.640 Like? 1:42:44.200 --> 1:42:46.559 I don't know. I don't have enough life for us 1:42:46.600 --> 1:42:47.240 to speculate. 1:42:48.880 --> 1:42:52.720 Yeah, I like him. I like him a lot. He's 1:42:52.720 --> 1:42:55.280 not hated three thousand. 1:42:56.400 --> 1:42:56.519 Uh. 1:42:57.000 --> 1:43:03.720 Buzonette has joined Burr o'she Jackson Junior, Matt Light and 1:43:03.760 --> 1:43:08.559 Michael Keegan, k as Weagan, Michael Key, Keegan, Michael Kay. 1:43:10.960 --> 1:43:14.960 Busie has now joined burr Oshae Jackson Junior, Matt Light 1:43:15.360 --> 1:43:16.320 and Michael Keegan. 1:43:16.439 --> 1:43:16.679 Kay. 1:43:17.080 --> 1:43:19.400 But I think it's it's Jules is reading it right, 1:43:19.600 --> 1:43:23.639 it's Keegan, Michael Key right, but the comment is flipped, 1:43:24.360 --> 1:43:27.320 so you're right, but you're wrong. You're right, they're wrong, 1:43:27.320 --> 1:43:30.000 but you're just you know, it's a I'm Ron Burgundy 1:43:30.040 --> 1:43:30.719 moment here. 1:43:30.680 --> 1:43:34.439 Okay, right, Key Key, It's Key, It's Keegan Michael Key. 1:43:34.560 --> 1:43:39.320 They have it, Michael Kegan, Key, Michael Key, Keegan, No, 1:43:39.360 --> 1:43:44.320 it's it's Keegan Michael Key. Go see Transformers one great fuck. 1:43:44.479 --> 1:43:47.120 Go get an go get a Coney Island dog, isn't 1:43:47.160 --> 1:43:49.320 it It's funny? Yeah, he was good. This is just 1:43:49.360 --> 1:43:52.160 a new listener, right, These are like the last couple episodes. 1:43:52.280 --> 1:43:54.200 Yeah, you gotta you gotta go get get up in 1:43:54.200 --> 1:43:56.680 those weeds. Buhud ye go get the weeds and you'll 1:43:56.680 --> 1:43:58.040 see some real funny shit too. 1:43:58.320 --> 1:44:01.599 And then the last one. This is our top rad 1:44:01.760 --> 1:44:03.639 this is our top requested game. Now that we've done 1:44:03.640 --> 1:44:05.640 a lot of the Patriots Super Bowls, got to do 1:44:05.720 --> 1:44:08.400 Fight Night at the Joe. Darren McCarty will come on 1:44:08.520 --> 1:44:13.360 for sure, maybe Patrick wah We actually fun fact, we 1:44:13.400 --> 1:44:15.160 are talking with Darren McCarty. He wants to come on 1:44:15.200 --> 1:44:17.559 the show. It's scheduling. I also want to be greedy 1:44:17.640 --> 1:44:21.400 and get Claude lem you on too, But that'll happen. 1:44:21.400 --> 1:44:23.120 That's gonna happen, got it. 1:44:23.720 --> 1:44:25.760 We're we're full hockey podcast now. 1:44:25.840 --> 1:44:27.240 Dude, you know who reached out? I don't even know 1:44:27.280 --> 1:44:30.559 I should say this. You know who reached out? No, Yeah, 1:44:30.720 --> 1:44:36.280 Gretzky did, the NHL reached out, Oh, representing represent. 1:44:36.400 --> 1:44:38.200 Is Gretzy bigger than the NHL? 1:44:38.840 --> 1:44:43.840 No, no yet, They're like, it's Tom Brady bigger than 1:44:43.840 --> 1:44:47.559 the NFL the NFL. No, no, right, it's they are 1:44:48.600 --> 1:44:49.439 Is it Tom or Bill? 1:44:49.520 --> 1:44:49.640 Right? 1:44:49.680 --> 1:44:50.080 You can't. 1:44:50.240 --> 1:44:51.960 They are joking. It was a joke. 1:44:52.800 --> 1:44:56.200 It's funny. But but the Stanley. But the NHL representing 1:44:56.280 --> 1:44:57.120 Lord Stanley Cup. 1:44:57.160 --> 1:44:59.320 Lord Stanley Cup might be on this couch here soon. 1:44:59.360 --> 1:45:02.639 I heard, huh, we'll see, we'll see, let's make a cup. 1:45:02.640 --> 1:45:03.759 But if it doesn't, we'll. 1:45:03.560 --> 1:45:07.800 Say you had fucking we had the basketball. Yeah, what 1:45:07.840 --> 1:45:11.560 was that one called Larry O'Brien. We've had Larry on Yeah, 1:45:11.640 --> 1:45:13.840 we're about to have Stanley. You can't even get old 1:45:13.880 --> 1:45:14.679 anywhere we had. 1:45:15.200 --> 1:45:18.120 This is what the NHL guy said. We had a 1:45:19.200 --> 1:45:22.320 Larry O'Brien trophy on games with names, But we can 1:45:22.400 --> 1:45:25.400 have the Stanley Cup on games with names. 1:45:25.479 --> 1:45:31.360 Oh, hockey getting her fingernails pretty dirty there, And that 1:45:31.600 --> 1:45:34.839 was the chill Zone. Thanks to our favorite beer cores 1:45:34.960 --> 1:45:39.120 Like It cors Like delivered straight to your door, Basiccoorslight 1:45:39.200 --> 1:45:44.599 dot Com slash gwn celebrate responsibly folks. What a fight 1:45:45.120 --> 1:45:48.800 and thanks again to Chuck. That's been another episode of 1:45:48.840 --> 1:45:51.760 Games with Names. Subscribe on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever 1:45:51.800 --> 1:45:54.080 you listen to podcasts. 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