Speaker 1: Be Around the NFL Podcast wants to be taken out
Speaker 1: by a female assassin one of us does. Welcome to
Speaker 1: another edition of the Around the NFL Podcast. My name
Speaker 1: is Dan Hansis come to you from a virtual room
Speaker 1: filled with heroes. Mark Sessler, Erica tamp Posey, Greg Rosenthal.
Speaker 1: What is up? Boys and girl? Hey? Dan? He? Hey? Dan? Hey?
Speaker 1: Somebody check on Dan? Has anyone checked on Dan yet? Oh? Dan?
Speaker 1: Are you okay? Dan? Twitter is awesome? Yeah, it took me. Now.
Speaker 1: By the time that rant was over, I wasn't even
Speaker 1: so much news that could work as um bad news
Speaker 1: as examples that happened since we laughed at the podcast.
Speaker 1: I actually didn't know what you were referring to at first,
Speaker 1: but now I assume you're talking about the Jets Mega
Speaker 1: star trade. Yes, Jamal Adams traded to the Seattle Seahawks,
Speaker 1: which we will get into in depth. In fact, I
Speaker 1: would almost go as far as saying that when the
Speaker 1: trade went down, my colleague Mark Seiler was more fired
Speaker 1: up than I was. Uh, Mark, how are you right now?
Speaker 1: After the Jamal Adams trade? Well, to be honest, I
Speaker 1: mean from a from a sports news story, it feels
Speaker 1: like three years ago. It was what's Saturday Afternoon? And
Speaker 1: I made, um, you know, we're we're more than colleagues here,
Speaker 1: We're friends, and our listeners are more than just listeners.
Speaker 1: And I think they know well enough that, um, you
Speaker 1: know that occasionally when I when I well to you,
Speaker 1: I'm reaching for something greater with our listening audience. But uh,
Speaker 1: I am prone to sending off the the maybe a
Speaker 1: tweet that might be more based in emotion than maybe
Speaker 1: like what Pro Football Focus would send out at times,
Speaker 1: and uh, you know we love that about you. Well
Speaker 1: not Greg, we just dropped off the podcast here, but
Speaker 1: uh yeah, and I think, um, well, we can get
Speaker 1: into it. But I think I created some unnecessary friction
Speaker 1: between myself and the Jets fan base because I am
Speaker 1: looking at things globally and maybe for my overall experience
Speaker 1: with the Jets um and who they remind me of
Speaker 1: versus this specific um moment in time, which I think
Speaker 1: had more positives than I gave it out of the gate.
Speaker 1: And I had a lot of people saying, be nicer
Speaker 1: to Dan, don't critique the Jets, And you know, I
Speaker 1: got the other version of how is Dan doing? You
Speaker 1: should be adding Dan? If you're gonna say this about
Speaker 1: his team. I mean, how many thousands of tweets have
Speaker 1: I not sent about the Jets because I thought this
Speaker 1: will only antagonize um relations with Dan in the past.
Speaker 1: This time, I was out to lunch with Simone. We
Speaker 1: had some pizza, we had a nice picture of beer,
Speaker 1: and bang, I shot that thing into the sun and
Speaker 1: I I'm not sure it was the wisest thing, but
Speaker 1: I don't really care. Let's start here. Your take was fine.
Speaker 1: It was a football take along the lines of the
Speaker 1: Jets can't hold to their stars, the Jets, uh don't
Speaker 1: do things well along those lines, Do I all that stuff?
Speaker 1: Here's the thing, the dynamic between this podcast and Twitter,
Speaker 1: and the fact that two fourths of the podcast half
Speaker 1: the podcast Jets Browns fans. There's a hundred times with
Speaker 1: the Browns where I I and I'm not perfect either,
Speaker 1: where I held back on Twitter because I know anything
Speaker 1: I send that's like a fireball at the Browns is
Speaker 1: then directly sent Mark's way as a shot at Mark.
Speaker 1: So as I'm processing this trade and I'm going through
Speaker 1: Twitter trying to learn about the details, I'm just getting
Speaker 1: all these acts related to like Mark flaming the Jets,
Speaker 1: and and that's why I fired back with a with
Speaker 1: a shot at Mark. I've kept it up all this
Speaker 1: I'm scart my my fire. My shot was, yes, the
Speaker 1: Jets need to start following the Browns model. I guess something,
Speaker 1: all those lines, you know, And then I jumped off
Speaker 1: Twitter because I was enjoying my Saturday with my family.
Speaker 1: And quite frankly, we're gonna get into all the details
Speaker 1: of that trade and everything else in the NFL, around
Speaker 1: the NFL in just a few minutes. But yes, well
Speaker 1: we'll stick a pin in that conversation. There's there's so
Speaker 1: much to get to guys today. Because um on Friday,
Speaker 1: which we had our NFL Network show, of course, there
Speaker 1: was an agreement between the union and the league to
Speaker 1: get everyone back on the field and for training camp
Speaker 1: to go on as planned. Uh And then of course
Speaker 1: on Monday morning this morning, some bad news outside the
Speaker 1: NFL but within this pro sports landscape here in the
Speaker 1: US again gets people on edge, and we're all on
Speaker 1: edge about it. We're gonna talk about all that and
Speaker 1: some more. This training camp hits. This is the beginning
Speaker 1: of training camp week, but it's gonna be like no
Speaker 1: other week ever. Ricky, I know you're excited. Uli, I'm
Speaker 1: I'm not muted, and I am not excited. Why am
Speaker 1: I your scapegoat say I'm excited that that training camp
Speaker 1: could be destroyed. No, that's not what I was saying.
Speaker 1: He was saying, you're excited because like a little bit
Speaker 1: of Inside Training Camp Live actually was on NFL Network. Well,
Speaker 1: like you just alluded to, there's some big news going
Speaker 1: on in the baseball world that we'll get to. So
Speaker 1: I I'm on edge a little bit, Okay, So it's fair, Okay, listen.
Speaker 1: All I was trying to do is I miss you.
Speaker 1: I I've seen you very little this year, and I
Speaker 1: wanted to bring you into the top of the show
Speaker 1: just to dialogue. And I thought we were, like everything
Speaker 1: else in it went sideways. I thought we were dedicating
Speaker 1: this whole show to Taylor Swift today. Well that was
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Speaker 1: I would be careful. You never know where the female
Speaker 1: assassins can come from. Just watch watch the wording. That's true.
Speaker 1: All right, let's get out into all of it. Let's
Speaker 1: hit the news. And he's a super Christian kid and
Speaker 1: I'm like, won't it be funny if I throw all
Speaker 1: these groupies and a bunch of booze at him and
Speaker 1: see what happens? I mean, that's that's I'm just terrible.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you listen to the throwback podcast
Speaker 1: My Vanity Project with my buddy Bob Cashtron, But if
Speaker 1: you listen to one episode, that's the voice of God
Speaker 1: for the Around the NFL podcast. Matt money Smith, who
Speaker 1: before he was a huge sports broadcaster. Uh, he had
Speaker 1: a whole other past career in the music business, first
Speaker 1: as an executive for DreamWorks and then as the creative
Speaker 1: director of k Rock and Los Angeles, which is the
Speaker 1: most legendary FM radio station in the history of rock
Speaker 1: and roll. And we had met Money on the show.
Speaker 1: He picked one year from his time there, two thousand four,
Speaker 1: and we went through a bunch of songs. And that
Speaker 1: comment was alluding to Money backstage at a Lifehouse concert.
Speaker 1: Remember the hanging on moment, guys, and Money openly trying
Speaker 1: to corrupt the Christian lead singer um and failing to
Speaker 1: do so. Very enlightening talk from that money Smith. I
Speaker 1: want to hear it. But when I hear you say
Speaker 1: if you're gonna listen to one episode, I mean multiple
Speaker 1: people that you're speaking to right now have appeared on
Speaker 1: the show. So maybe a handful of episodes you could
Speaker 1: look at. That would be one of them. Yeah. I
Speaker 1: kind of walked into that one, kind of he's a pro,
Speaker 1: We're not. I get it, you're all pros. But Money's
Speaker 1: it was kind of fascinating. It's a podcast I would
Speaker 1: listen to even if I wasn't on it. Um anyway,
Speaker 1: check that out throwback podcast. Let's get into the and
Speaker 1: thank you Matt money Smith for giving your time. That
Speaker 1: was a lot of fun. Let's get into it. Yes.
Speaker 1: Jamal Adams Jamal Adams, the Pro Bowl All Pro safety
Speaker 1: for the New York Jets, has been moved to the
Speaker 1: Seattle Seahawks in a mega trade. What defines a mega
Speaker 1: trade two first round picks going back to the Jets
Speaker 1: and two also a third round pick goes to the Jets.
Speaker 1: The Jets send add fourth rounder uh to the Seahawks.
Speaker 1: Bradley McDougald, starting safety for the Seahawks, also goes to
Speaker 1: the Jets in the trade. It is a massive deal
Speaker 1: and it's a big story from both sides. Let's start
Speaker 1: on the Seattle side, Greg, because yes, the Jets tons
Speaker 1: of drama tied in with that organization, with this podcast,
Speaker 1: all that stuff. But for the Seahawks, it is a
Speaker 1: stunning move by them both and how much they gave
Speaker 1: up and how they seem to position themselves right now
Speaker 1: with a trade like this, we are a Super Bowl
Speaker 1: contender winning now. Do you think Adams can put them
Speaker 1: over the hump? No, But I think they're always in
Speaker 1: win now mode. To answer your question, I think they
Speaker 1: and I think that's the way to be. But I
Speaker 1: think they are always think that they can compete for
Speaker 1: a championship. I don't even the last couple of years
Speaker 1: where they have taken a step back. I don't think
Speaker 1: they've entered the season thinking anything less than we could
Speaker 1: win the NFC if we can pull this up, like
Speaker 1: we're in Russell Wilson's prime. And it was stunning in
Speaker 1: terms of what they gave up um in terms of
Speaker 1: the two first round picks, that they basically got a
Speaker 1: very similar trade um than the Laramy Tunsil or the
Speaker 1: Khalil Mack trade. And and so that's that's great for
Speaker 1: the Jets, But if you were gonna pick one team
Speaker 1: in the NFL that would give up that kind of
Speaker 1: uh draft pick capital to get Jamal Adams. I think
Speaker 1: Seahawks would be near the top of the list because
Speaker 1: they've shown us that they are gonna be aggressive, that
Speaker 1: they view these picks a little differently than some other teams.
Speaker 1: Not only do they trade them away all the time,
Speaker 1: like for Percy Harvin, but they also take bizarre picks
Speaker 1: that no one wanted until the third round pick, and
Speaker 1: I think they know that and so they view it
Speaker 1: a little differently, like, Hey, you know, the guys we
Speaker 1: want are gonna be available in the second or third round.
Speaker 1: So on some level, the fact that it was Seattle
Speaker 1: of all teams, to me, doesn't shock me, because they
Speaker 1: have an aligned GM and coaching staff who's willing to
Speaker 1: go for it, and they haven't spent that kind of
Speaker 1: capital in the secondary. But I do think they can
Speaker 1: be excited about the secondary. I think they they thought
Speaker 1: that that was going to be a strength of the
Speaker 1: team before they got Jamal Adams, that that was the
Speaker 1: best part of their defense. And now they got Jamal
Speaker 1: Adams and and Pete Carroll I think in his in
Speaker 1: his biggest wishes thinks, Okay, maybe we can run back
Speaker 1: the legion of boom two here. I like the guys
Speaker 1: that we have back there. Let's fly. I think you're
Speaker 1: so right philosophically that they've taken five players in the
Speaker 1: top picks in the draft since they're just not using
Speaker 1: they're not wed to first round picks the way that
Speaker 1: others are. Their their trade bait and leverage, and they've
Speaker 1: been in wind now mode for a decade. I look,
Speaker 1: I think if you look at their caps situation two
Speaker 1: and it's we're in a weird time with the cap. Obviously,
Speaker 1: they're about twenty six in cap space heading into next season.
Speaker 1: And you've paid um, Bobby Wagner, you paid Russell Wilson,
Speaker 1: so you're gonna have to pay Jamal Adams. And there
Speaker 1: was an interesting bit of news there Dan on that situation.
Speaker 1: But they have the ability to, you know, extend his
Speaker 1: career in Seattle for a while. He's going to play
Speaker 1: under the terms of his rookie deal this season, which
Speaker 1: is something he was steadfast that he did not want
Speaker 1: to do with the Jets. He tells the Seahawks Romal
Speaker 1: Adams that he's okay with that and then let's get
Speaker 1: business done next year, which is interesting to me. I
Speaker 1: think it's these deals and there are very few of
Speaker 1: them at this level. In fact, I believe there's only
Speaker 1: been UH around five trades in the last twenty years
Speaker 1: that involved two first round picks they and this is
Speaker 1: the biggest one. I think, even bigger than of teams
Speaker 1: on rookie contracts in the last five years. It's tons
Speaker 1: of mac right, I'm forgetting the third one up at.
Speaker 1: Jalen Ramsey was the third and the Mac trade to
Speaker 1: me is the most similar one because in terms of
Speaker 1: the robuster nature of it all UH that um A
Speaker 1: player went back the two first round picks also the
Speaker 1: Seahawks and a third round pick, which is very valuable
Speaker 1: in our league. And now the Seahawks also have to
Speaker 1: extend Adams and give him the money he wants, and
Speaker 1: they have just like Jalen Ramsey at the Rams, Seahawks
Speaker 1: don't have leverage with Adams. They're gonna give him what
Speaker 1: he wants and what he needs, which is at least
Speaker 1: seventeen million a year. So the people that view this
Speaker 1: trade as questionable from the Seattle standpoint are doing it
Speaker 1: because you leverage your draft assets going forward, and on
Speaker 1: top of that, then you pay him at the very
Speaker 1: top of the market. You reset the safety market um
Speaker 1: at an extreme level. It does. It is going to
Speaker 1: challenge the team resource wise and personnel wise, but you
Speaker 1: know what, none of that's gonna matter if what they
Speaker 1: think Adams is going to do to that defense transpires
Speaker 1: and it takes them up to the next level. I
Speaker 1: think it's an understandable trade from the Seahawks side, for sure.
Speaker 1: My takes are so boring with this trade. It's like
Speaker 1: my first one was like, hey, Brad Bradley McDougald, good player,
Speaker 1: you know, kind of surprise, kind of surprised the Jet's
Speaker 1: got him back as part of it, because I thought
Speaker 1: he did a really nice job. Now I understand he
Speaker 1: doesn't make sense in Seattle now, but I thought he
Speaker 1: did a nice nice job for that, And and the
Speaker 1: other one is a little bit just like if it
Speaker 1: makes sense for both sides. I didn't feel like I
Speaker 1: thought the Jets got such a good haul that you
Speaker 1: can't you can't kill him for it. In the situation
Speaker 1: they were in, that makes sense. But I also think
Speaker 1: in general, I always talk about that. I think cap
Speaker 1: space U is a little overrated. Now, what's going to
Speaker 1: happen in the next year might test that theory. I mean,
Speaker 1: if it really does drop by million, it's not gonna
Speaker 1: be as overrated. It'll be different. But the reason I
Speaker 1: always think that is because good players in great players
Speaker 1: are way harder to find than cap space. And so
Speaker 1: that's why I don't fault the Seahawks. And it makes
Speaker 1: sense for both sides, because they got a great player
Speaker 1: great it is just harder to find great players to
Speaker 1: pay than it is. You know, it's to find extra
Speaker 1: cap space by making a bunch of other things go away,
Speaker 1: and and so I'm sure Seattle's gonna pay him that money.
Speaker 1: And their defense the reason why I said not to
Speaker 1: like meander here, the reason why I don't think it
Speaker 1: puts them over the top is just I don't know
Speaker 1: that their defensive lines terrible on page right. And it's
Speaker 1: like I think their offensive lines terrible on Adams helps
Speaker 1: to address he does. They're off on paper too, So
Speaker 1: I guess I guess I have to see it to
Speaker 1: believe that they can compete with the forty Niners and
Speaker 1: the Saints and whoever turns out to be the best
Speaker 1: teams um. And now from the Jet side of it,
Speaker 1: you know, when I saw that the trade went down
Speaker 1: and I saw the terms of the deal, the initial
Speaker 1: reactions a little shock, of course. Uh. And then for me,
Speaker 1: and this is I'm being honest, a little bit of relief.
Speaker 1: I love Adams as a player, and right now I'm
Speaker 1: thinking of Daniel Jones and that Giants game in November
Speaker 1: where Adams ripped the ball out of his hands and
Speaker 1: took it to the house, and the Jets had whiffed
Speaker 1: on so many draft picks in the past decade, really
Speaker 1: like the past five decades, that to me, it was
Speaker 1: just refreshing to see Adams come out right out of
Speaker 1: the gate as a top ten pick and and bring
Speaker 1: this all pro level play and then have the charisma
Speaker 1: to boot. He was just a ray of sunshine and
Speaker 1: what's been a really dark decade. And I wish cooler
Speaker 1: heads prevailed and both sides worked it out and Adams
Speaker 1: was getting paid by Joe Douglas and would have been
Speaker 1: there forever. But I think everything that's transpired over the
Speaker 1: last six months and now this is where he's gonna
Speaker 1: sound sound like spilled milk for me, but it's really not,
Speaker 1: starting with the tant tantrum over the Cowboys reports last season.
Speaker 1: Um when he was when the Cowboys called Joe Douglas
Speaker 1: and inquired about a trade, and depending on who you read,
Speaker 1: Douglas kind of put a price at two first round
Speaker 1: picks and it ended that conversation, and that infuriated Adams
Speaker 1: and ruined the relationship um between the two. And then
Speaker 1: what's happened since using social media and the traditional media
Speaker 1: to take shots in ownership and the head coach. Uh.
Speaker 1: To me, ultimately, it's smacked of immaturity and entit entitlement.
Speaker 1: He wanted everything right now. He wanted to be paid
Speaker 1: at the highest level of his position right now. He
Speaker 1: wanted to win, and he wanted to go to the
Speaker 1: super Bowl right now. And when the Jets couldn't do
Speaker 1: that or said they wouldn't do that, he made it
Speaker 1: impossible for this marriage to go on. So, as a
Speaker 1: Jets fan on bummed because these things happened to the
Speaker 1: Jets and the Jets seemed to never get anything right.
Speaker 1: And mark your point, and I'll let you make it
Speaker 1: about the Jets and superstar players don't seem to mix.
Speaker 1: But to me, Adams ruined this marriage with his behavior,
Speaker 1: and I hope he does well in Seattle. I'm glad
Speaker 1: he's all the way out in the NFC West. But
Speaker 1: it didn't have to be this way. It was, and
Speaker 1: now I just have to turn the page, just like
Speaker 1: all Jets fans and just believe in Joe Douglas and
Speaker 1: believe in what was an incredible hall. The most Jets
Speaker 1: thing would have been a DeAndre Hopkins type trade, you know,
Speaker 1: one of those deals where on top of everything else,
Speaker 1: you get seventy cents on the dollar and you're just
Speaker 1: scratching your head, is like, what's going on here? That
Speaker 1: is not what happened here. If Douglas knows what he's
Speaker 1: doing and he hits on these draft picks over the
Speaker 1: next couple of years, the foundation for a new Tomorrow
Speaker 1: is gonna be laid for this franchise and it will
Speaker 1: all point back to this trade. So, as an optimistic
Speaker 1: Jets vent, that's all I have right now. There's frustration,
Speaker 1: but I believe in Joe and that's all I can really,
Speaker 1: That's what I got. That's what else do you have? No?
Speaker 1: I think that's I think that's fair to Dan and
Speaker 1: like you, you always have, UM had an air of
Speaker 1: optimism around the Jets, no matter what sort of calamities occurring.
Speaker 1: And I do I do think that. I mean, we've
Speaker 1: all looked at Joe Douglas as someone that is almost
Speaker 1: like on an island inside that organization. I think there's
Speaker 1: a lot of reasons to believe in Joe Douglas. He's
Speaker 1: really well respected as a talent evaluator, and he did
Speaker 1: not get fleeced in what was really sort of a
Speaker 1: showdown situation with a player, UM who I think, you know,
Speaker 1: here's my thing, and I didn't want to conflict eight
Speaker 1: prior to Joe Douglas what happened with the Jets, with
Speaker 1: what he's done. But the storm clouds can are still
Speaker 1: there because what I just don't like about the team
Speaker 1: in general is that Douglas alone is going to have
Speaker 1: to navigate, uh, you know every time all Greg Williams
Speaker 1: can figure out how to use the remaining safeties. And
Speaker 1: this is that Greg Williams probably won't be there five
Speaker 1: months from now, Adam Gates probably won't be there five
Speaker 1: months from now, and so you hope at that point
Speaker 1: that Joe Douglas UM believes enough in his role there
Speaker 1: and in the organization to see it through the long haul.
Speaker 1: Pick a coach he likes. I mean, you cannot underrate
Speaker 1: some of the stuff that whether you like Jamal Adams
Speaker 1: or not that he bumped on with what we're hearing
Speaker 1: about ownership, I think you have systemic issues from ownership
Speaker 1: on down. With the Jets, there were whispers that, uh,
Speaker 1: the Johnson's don't want to spend a lot of money
Speaker 1: on players. So my thing is, so three years from now,
Speaker 1: when Denzel Mims is a star, what happens when he
Speaker 1: wants to get paid. I have to find a way
Speaker 1: at some point too. And it's not Joe Douglas has
Speaker 1: not proven he can't do this. I think he can,
Speaker 1: but you gotta draft well, you've got to develop core
Speaker 1: players keep them around. And it just frustrates me a
Speaker 1: little bit because yes, it's a nice draft Hall, but
Speaker 1: we really can't evaluate this trade for a number of years.
Speaker 1: And I think where I got emotional, where I just
Speaker 1: don't like this cool. You've got to draft picks. I
Speaker 1: could point to that the Browns on my end doing
Speaker 1: that a thousand times. And you've got Danny Shelton and
Speaker 1: cam Irvin one year, You've got Justin Gill and Johnny Manzel,
Speaker 1: you got Trent Richardson and Brandon Weed, and you got
Speaker 1: Jabrill Peppers who was no longer on the team. He
Speaker 1: was traded for Odell Beckham. That's part of it. But
Speaker 1: David Njoku was part of a three first round pick
Speaker 1: first round, and David Njoku is not panned out. So
Speaker 1: I mean it is a total dice roll. And you
Speaker 1: have to hope in a really weird draft next year
Speaker 1: where there's a potential we don't even see a college
Speaker 1: football season that you're you're hitting on that level of player,
Speaker 1: and then the year after do I think Douglas is talented?
Speaker 1: It can do it. Yes, He's got a lot to
Speaker 1: navigate beyond just simply evaluating and picking players. Though right
Speaker 1: I've I've sort of changed my way I react to
Speaker 1: these in terms of the draft picks of just saying like, hey,
Speaker 1: this team won the trade. You know that the maybe
Speaker 1: the Jets won this trade and thought a little bit
Speaker 1: more that draft capital. It's great, but these are two
Speaker 1: gonna like, let's say they're mid to late first round
Speaker 1: picks in a in a best case scenario, you're you're
Speaker 1: praying you could replace Jamal Adams is total value between
Speaker 1: those two players. The odds are you you won't. But
Speaker 1: they're also on rookie contracts, and the process of getting
Speaker 1: those trades, like the process makes sense. The thing I
Speaker 1: would push back a little on Dan is I don't
Speaker 1: think his you know, actions made it impossible to keep
Speaker 1: them if they wanted to. I don't think it was
Speaker 1: you know, he was using his leverage, which was, you know,
Speaker 1: being vocal about it. I think if in their heart
Speaker 1: of hearts, Joe Douglas was the guy who drafted him,
Speaker 1: or that they really believe Jamal Adams is the best
Speaker 1: safety in the league and we want to keep they
Speaker 1: could have done it. They would have done it, but
Speaker 1: they didn't. I mean, they ultimately didn't really want to
Speaker 1: for whatever reason. And it it should be noted that
Speaker 1: and that's true. I agree with you on that. It
Speaker 1: should be noted that there are people that connected the
Speaker 1: dots and said, oh, when Adams trashed Adam Gaze to
Speaker 1: minishe meta. I think it was two days after Um
Speaker 1: he was on our podcast, by the way, Um, that's
Speaker 1: what caused the trade to happen. No, if you talk
Speaker 1: to people plugged in with Douglas and with the Jets
Speaker 1: that this was going on for a while, this negotiation
Speaker 1: between Seattle and the Jets, and what really made it
Speaker 1: happen was the agreement and maybe this will be well,
Speaker 1: actually no, I have one other thing to add here,
Speaker 1: but the agreement made between the NFL and the players
Speaker 1: about what the salary cap will be on Friday where
Speaker 1: the announcement was made that the cap is gonna drop
Speaker 1: potentially next year because of everything that's going on, but
Speaker 1: it will not drop below one from where it is now,
Speaker 1: which is about and once Seattle and the Jets had
Speaker 1: the framework of what the cap was gonna be, that
Speaker 1: is really what pushed the deal through. Um. Anyway, let's
Speaker 1: let's move on. But before we do, I mean, if ever,
Speaker 1: there's a time to check in with Keith Hansis. It
Speaker 1: was after Adams got traded. Let's hear from my old man.
Speaker 1: His name is Keith, his dad's dad. You don't doubt
Speaker 1: about it. He's a big Jets fan. What is he
Speaker 1: going to say the game to say? What is he
Speaker 1: going to say? He has my take on the Jamal
Speaker 1: Adams trade. Great talent, two time Pro bowled player, leader,
Speaker 1: fiery individual, but he had become a total distraction. As
Speaker 1: far as I'm concerned to the team. He was the
Speaker 1: he was critical of Gaze Woody and Joe Douglas, just
Speaker 1: pushing the envelope, just trying to create trouble. As far
Speaker 1: as I was concerned with the Jets, h he wanted
Speaker 1: to be the highest paid Jet and you know, with
Speaker 1: no participation in the offseason program. He wanted out due
Speaker 1: to losing, he had said many times last year. So
Speaker 1: hopefully it works out for the Jets. They usually don't
Speaker 1: make out very well with these things, but it's about
Speaker 1: time things are going to turn up, right. M not
Speaker 1: a glowing room, but a realistic woman. You can see
Speaker 1: the through line though, from like the Keith take to
Speaker 1: the Dan take. I mean, this is it's funny because
Speaker 1: that you found yourself at the heart at the center
Speaker 1: of it. But this storyline of the players because Jalen
Speaker 1: Ramsey I'm thinking about specifically, the player is kind of
Speaker 1: using their voice and their leverage to create trades. I mean,
Speaker 1: this has been your corner even before it came to
Speaker 1: the gym. Yeah, it's it's that's my my kind of
Speaker 1: final thought on it is It's happened with Jalen Ramsey,
Speaker 1: Stefan Diggs, it's happened to Jamal Adams. And whether you
Speaker 1: want to see the US as something that's empowering to
Speaker 1: the players, fine, or if you want to see it
Speaker 1: as something that is bad for the league and bad
Speaker 1: for fans ultimately because stars that you get attached to
Speaker 1: leave town before you feel like they should. That's fine too,
Speaker 1: but it's going to continue to happen. And guess what
Speaker 1: it's going to happen to your team too. It's just
Speaker 1: a matter of time until I think it's more likely
Speaker 1: to happen if they're run poorly. I just think that's well, yes,
Speaker 1: everything is more likely to go to go sideways when
Speaker 1: an organization has run poorly. But I really think the
Speaker 1: rookie scale needs to be revisited down the line because
Speaker 1: I think these players that outperformed the rookie deal by
Speaker 1: the third year are going to continue to be upset
Speaker 1: about being under players. And I think that's something a
Speaker 1: track here, right. The precedent has been set now and
Speaker 1: you know this were players have no voice and you
Speaker 1: wouldn't be hearing how the stuff we're hearing from Jamal Adams.
Speaker 1: But we live in a time now where in many
Speaker 1: good ways, player empowerment um is at its height. And
Speaker 1: you know, Jamal Adams, I don't know who was sort
Speaker 1: of in his ear to all the us, but he
Speaker 1: has a flair for the dramatic. I'll give him that.
Speaker 1: And it was about every third or fourth day Jamal
Speaker 1: Adams was doing something to get back in that uh,
Speaker 1: that news cycle, and it just seemed to chip away
Speaker 1: at the relationship with the Jets. So I do agree,
Speaker 1: despite some of my protests initially that you know, this
Speaker 1: was a tough situation for Douglas and he did not
Speaker 1: get fleeced. That's the one guy in the building I
Speaker 1: would build around. It's your GM, and I really hope
Speaker 1: that he's still around when these picks are made two
Speaker 1: years from the next year and the year from now,
Speaker 1: after that six year deal. And I know, weird, weirder
Speaker 1: things happened to that the only thing happens to these
Speaker 1: teams is suddenly someone who's an extremely valuable person says,
Speaker 1: I don't want to put up this again. There are
Speaker 1: issues going on much higher up than the GM and
Speaker 1: that building. From what we're seeing, there's even new reports
Speaker 1: today and you know it's it would be concerning. Um,
Speaker 1: I wonder how in locker room is gonna is gonna
Speaker 1: respond to what they're hearing about the person that owns
Speaker 1: their team? Well and Adams talking, I know we are
Speaker 1: moving on that. I know that wasn't what inspired it.
Speaker 1: But what at what Adam said about Gaze that he
Speaker 1: doesn't know his respect? I mean it was it was untenable.
Speaker 1: I mean everyone knows and that's that's the leader of
Speaker 1: the team. Um and uh, it's still a little untenable
Speaker 1: because you know, because what he's speaking for for other
Speaker 1: players there. But it would have been it would have
Speaker 1: been tough because who had faith and Gaze being able
Speaker 1: to handle that in a way that engendered the respect
Speaker 1: of all the players not not a lot of people.
Speaker 1: We do we do assume that Jamal Adams was loved
Speaker 1: in the leader internally on that team. But I didn't
Speaker 1: hear a lot of people coming out and defending Jamal Adams.
Speaker 1: In fact, Levian Bell gave Jamal the business after this.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think it probably turned it probably turned
Speaker 1: pretty awful in the last you know, three or four
Speaker 1: days in a week. But I don't think he's alone
Speaker 1: in in in finding um offense, some of the comments
Speaker 1: and scenarios around ownership and other things, and and and
Speaker 1: Adam Gatee. I mean, how many players you could have,
Speaker 1: You could have a probably a support group of players
Speaker 1: that did not feel supported by Adam Gaze through his
Speaker 1: whole career. So I just think that's a looming issue.
Speaker 1: And then you're still, as a Jets fan kind of
Speaker 1: hoping maybe for a melt worked up about it. Everybody,
Speaker 1: you what, you're more worried about the Jets than I am,
Speaker 1: and I love it. Well, I just see a lot
Speaker 1: of mirror similarities to some you know, reasons that football
Speaker 1: has not always been fun following the team that I follow,
Speaker 1: And I don't think I only wish that on any
Speaker 1: other fan base, to be honest, I have all weekends right,
Speaker 1: but we did. We did get this right, these draft
Speaker 1: picks right. We did a Jets centric show on Wednesday.
Speaker 1: Our broadcast on Friday was very Jets heavy, as it
Speaker 1: should have been. It was a f C East And
Speaker 1: after I tweeted that on Saturday, I mean, I am
Speaker 1: getting destroyed by Jets fans all Saturday, all Sunday into
Speaker 1: the day when I get off the show. I need
Speaker 1: a break from the Jets. I wish them well. I
Speaker 1: wish your fan based well. Breather please, I have been
Speaker 1: trying to move on from this segment for five minutes.
Speaker 1: Certain people keep talking. So okay, alright, let us move
Speaker 1: on to other matters at hand. Major League Baseball started
Speaker 1: out Thursday night, went through the weekend, and they made
Speaker 1: it some Monday morning before disaster struck. At least two
Speaker 1: MLB games postponed after members of the Miami Marlins um
Speaker 1: caught COVID nineteen. At least thirteen is the report, thirteen players,
Speaker 1: so that causes the Marlins next game to be called off,
Speaker 1: their home opener against the Orioles. The marlins previous location
Speaker 1: when all this went down was Philadelphia, where they're playing
Speaker 1: the Phillies. The Phillies are supposed to host the Yankees today,
Speaker 1: uh and that game was canceled as well, And now
Speaker 1: MLB scrambling trying to figure out if they can make
Speaker 1: this work. An NFL, of course, Greg is watching all
Speaker 1: of this because MLB, like the NFL, at least right now,
Speaker 1: is not doing a bubble plan. They're not putting people
Speaker 1: in Orlando like we're seeing with the NBA and keeping
Speaker 1: everyone away from the public and trying to get through
Speaker 1: a season. You're counting on all these outside elements and
Speaker 1: variables to not bring down a schedule in the season,
Speaker 1: and things are off to a tricky star for MLB. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and everyone immediately, um, at least on my timeline, the
Speaker 1: people covering the NFL immediately tried to apply it to
Speaker 1: the NFL. And look, the challenges that the NFL face
Speaker 1: face are are the same today as as they were
Speaker 1: Friday when we frankly, you know, we're so excited on
Speaker 1: our broadcast for those who did tune in that news
Speaker 1: that the NFL and the NFL p A had agreed
Speaker 1: to an adjusted cv A, which which we'll talk about briefly. Um,
Speaker 1: you know, was was a big shot of optimism because
Speaker 1: I really was uncertain about how that part of the
Speaker 1: equation was gonna go, and the NFL settled it pretty calmly.
Speaker 1: I mean, there really wasn't the huge back and forth.
Speaker 1: It wasn't going It didn't play out in the public
Speaker 1: as as long as is certainly baseball did, and and
Speaker 1: that was a positive. But the challenges that the NFL
Speaker 1: still faces in terms of testing and in terms of
Speaker 1: keeping the players safe, are the same really as they
Speaker 1: were a week ago at this time as they were Friday,
Speaker 1: and the MLB, I guess, is showing a worst case
Speaker 1: scenario of how quickly it could happen. I mean, that's
Speaker 1: the thing that gets you. It was like, we're four there,
Speaker 1: four days into the Major League Baseball season and the
Speaker 1: team has already gone down. I mean, the the timing
Speaker 1: of it is is tough because I know everyone everyone here,
Speaker 1: You Marcus suddenly turned into a huge baseball fan. Everyone
Speaker 1: was excited to have sports back. I know you're you're
Speaker 1: a huge baseball baseball What happened? You signed up for
Speaker 1: MLB TV on Sunday and by Monday the whole league
Speaker 1: shut us. I've been a baseball fan for about seventeen
Speaker 1: and it's suddenly into the darkest corner we've ever seen.
Speaker 1: I Greg, I don't know what it means either, though
Speaker 1: I also don't like put like, okay, this means what
Speaker 1: for the NFL? And No, Mark, don't forget about the
Speaker 1: Blue Jay's extra ending loss. In your first day as
Speaker 1: a Blue Jays fan. You put some steak on the league.
Speaker 1: Right now. That was eight minutes into my becoming a
Speaker 1: Buffalo Blue Jay. It's a one year deal I have
Speaker 1: with the Buffalo Blue Jays. But um, here's the thing.
Speaker 1: It honestly felt amazing to sit on a Sunday afternoon
Speaker 1: and flip through all these games happening and I don't
Speaker 1: care about the cardboard fans and all this other business.
Speaker 1: It was just cool to see. And I'm with you
Speaker 1: that on Friday I felt this real optimism for the
Speaker 1: first time in a while that the NFL was moving
Speaker 1: forward sensibly. They had gotten their issues out of the way,
Speaker 1: and you hope that can continue. I mean, they have
Speaker 1: put a ton of layers into place to stay safe,
Speaker 1: and it's it's just I think from a human angle,
Speaker 1: you're you're hoping that you're asking like two hundred people
Speaker 1: from each NFL team when they go from city A
Speaker 1: to city be to you know, engaged in week one
Speaker 1: in week one contests, and that we get there and
Speaker 1: that be that that can happen safely. I mean, it
Speaker 1: comes down to safely. It comes down to the fact
Speaker 1: that in the NFL, se of players have bm I
Speaker 1: body mass index issues that make them a little more
Speaker 1: pecurely um vulnerable to corona. We just don't know, and
Speaker 1: I we all the idea that any of us are,
Speaker 1: you know, like overly cynical about it. I think you're
Speaker 1: just dealing with the logic and the facts, and the
Speaker 1: disruptions were seen as baseball tries to commence. I mean,
Speaker 1: you hope that these are blips on the radar and
Speaker 1: improved testing and improved methods around it, and you know
Speaker 1: they're they're learning on the fly. But then, you know,
Speaker 1: I read this great article from Peter King last week
Speaker 1: about Eric Sugarman, the Vikings VP of sports medicine, and
Speaker 1: all the safety UH implications he had put into place
Speaker 1: so well and inside the team complex, and then he
Speaker 1: caught it. And so it's just his family, and it's
Speaker 1: just like it's involves more than just the actual players.
Speaker 1: It involves a lot of other things. So it's like
Speaker 1: everyone is hoping that this works, but it is. It
Speaker 1: is easily the trickiest thing that we've ever witnessed as
Speaker 1: sports fans from birth until now. Virus kind of virus.
Speaker 1: I mean, the viruses like this have been taken out
Speaker 1: are the human race and been a problem for a
Speaker 1: lot longer than any of us have been around. You know,
Speaker 1: it's just like I feel like what I feel like.
Speaker 1: I watched a health video in nine where that was
Speaker 1: a similar catchphrase, virusk and the virus. Well, you know,
Speaker 1: so that you know people have been asking us for
Speaker 1: a long time, when are you gonna get there? Around
Speaker 1: the NFL merch going virus, gonna virus feels like a
Speaker 1: good start and then right on the back like double dash.
Speaker 1: Greg Rosenthal got uote, I don't want to put I
Speaker 1: don't want to put my name on that. In other news,
Speaker 1: we have a player. Part of the agreement between the
Speaker 1: union and the league were opt out clauses for people
Speaker 1: that had either pre existing medical conditions that made playing
Speaker 1: during the COVID nineteen pandemic highly risky, or just players
Speaker 1: with with or without even if they had no pre
Speaker 1: existing conditions that just weren't comfortable. And we already have
Speaker 1: a player who has opted out. Chief's guard Laurent Daverne
Speaker 1: A Tardiff. Did I get there right? Tardif hennounced Friday
Speaker 1: night that he is opting out of the season. Uh.
Speaker 1: He played regular snaps for the Chiefs. But you also
Speaker 1: may know the name because he is the doctor. He's
Speaker 1: the offensive lineman. Doctor a medical school graduate, and he
Speaker 1: spelled the he's spent the offseason working in the medical
Speaker 1: field at a long term care facility in Montreal, trying
Speaker 1: to help people dealing with this horrible virus. And he
Speaker 1: has decided that he is going to take the opt
Speaker 1: out option negotiated by the league in NFL p A
Speaker 1: not playing because of the dangers and risks to him
Speaker 1: and his family. And he will not He's the first,
Speaker 1: but he will not be the last. Yeah, And it
Speaker 1: is a he's a unique circumstance. Um. You know, he's
Speaker 1: doing it because he thinks he's needed elsewhere. He wants
Speaker 1: to continue working in his community and he feels like
Speaker 1: that's that's more important. He also, you know, as he said,
Speaker 1: he he doesn't want to potentially transmit the virus, you know,
Speaker 1: in his communities, um, just to play sports. And that
Speaker 1: that is something that in theory, every player has to
Speaker 1: make that decision. But he's coming from it from a
Speaker 1: very different standpoint. He said, if he's gonna take risks,
Speaker 1: he wants to do it for his patients. So he's gonna.
Speaker 1: I have a you know, a soft spot in my
Speaker 1: heart for this guy, and followed his whole career because
Speaker 1: he went to McGill like my brother. And um, I
Speaker 1: mean he's kind of an amazing person. Andy Reid said
Speaker 1: it well, he said doctors are givers, they're not takers.
Speaker 1: You know Andy Reid's I think his mom m is
Speaker 1: a doctor, and you know it's a profession that ultimately, um,
Speaker 1: they're gonna give and that they're worried about the greater community.
Speaker 1: And and Andy Reid couldn't have been more supportive of
Speaker 1: what you know, duvern A Tardif was doing because that's
Speaker 1: that's what he's doing. He he has a higher, higher calling,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, he has a higher calling.
Speaker 1: So he's in a unique um circumstance. Um. But he's
Speaker 1: also has a starting offensive lineman for the defending World champs. Well,
Speaker 1: and they turned around and signed Collegio Semile as a guard.
Speaker 1: But I mean here's the thing. I mean, well, I
Speaker 1: know you're he he didn't exactly shine with the Jets.
Speaker 1: That's fair, um, but it suddenly you have to make
Speaker 1: moves and and it's good to see though along the
Speaker 1: lines with read that, Um, Patrick Mahomes came out and said,
Speaker 1: I can't think of anyone in this locker room that
Speaker 1: doesn't support his choices. And I can remember back to
Speaker 1: the seven strike where you had certain players scabs crossing
Speaker 1: the picket line to help their teams try to compete
Speaker 1: and winner. They just simply weren't um as taken by
Speaker 1: some of the player uh strike issues and they were
Speaker 1: treated poorly, and it was there was all this contention,
Speaker 1: and you could see that happening here because I mean,
Speaker 1: the culture of football could be like you don't walk
Speaker 1: away from the rest of your team, but this is
Speaker 1: a very different situation, and he specifically, it's such a
Speaker 1: unique scenario. I do think one of them or compelling
Speaker 1: itemans items about this week is who else might drop out?
Speaker 1: I mean, the the amount of money they're being offered
Speaker 1: if your non risk is is essentially nothing for an
Speaker 1: NFL player. I mean it's it's low fifty thou um,
Speaker 1: which is essentially applied to what they'll make next year too.
Speaker 1: It's almost like a loan of a hundred and fifty
Speaker 1: thousand dollars, which would be significant for players at the
Speaker 1: bottom of the you know, pay scale, of which there's
Speaker 1: a lot, but yeah, it's it's not a huge incentive
Speaker 1: to skip out. That's for sure. I don't believe it's alone.
Speaker 1: If they opt out with medical clearance behind it, right,
Speaker 1: that's the difference, and that has you need it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that that that's just if you if you are just
Speaker 1: choosing to play out of just wanting to be safe.
Speaker 1: And speaking of high risk, here's one of those nuggets
Speaker 1: from the agreement between the players and owners. NFL players
Speaker 1: who attend high risk events and contract the coronavirus face
Speaker 1: team discipline and lack of play and uh. Here is
Speaker 1: the memo in which the NFL defines high risk conduct
Speaker 1: as attending colon an indoor nightclub with more than fifteen people.
Speaker 1: I mean, if the nightclub has less than fifteen people
Speaker 1: in it, it's not a good place to be anyway, barely. Yeah.
Speaker 1: An indoor bar with more than fifteen people other than
Speaker 1: to pick up food, an indoor house party with more
Speaker 1: than fifteen people, an indoor music concert or entertainment event
Speaker 1: with more than fifteen people. A professional sporting event other
Speaker 1: than applicable NFL games or events with more than fifteen people.
Speaker 1: An indoor religious service attended by more than of the
Speaker 1: venue's capacity. It's fascinating to me. I I it sounds weird.
Speaker 1: To say I love it, because what do we love
Speaker 1: about any of this? But it makes a lot of
Speaker 1: sense to me because this whole pandemic is all about,
Speaker 1: you know, on some level, you have to have some
Speaker 1: care and concern for the rest of your community and
Speaker 1: the you know, the rest of the country and your
Speaker 1: in this case, it means your team. And uh, it's
Speaker 1: gonna it for for any chance for this NFL thing
Speaker 1: to work, it's gonna be on an incumbent on all
Speaker 1: these players to be extremely disciplined, like we're all trying
Speaker 1: to be like like hopefully the majority of like the
Speaker 1: community is gonna be and in one way to do that,
Speaker 1: I think is with some pretty severe economic punishment. So
Speaker 1: I don't know, it makes a lot of sense to me. Then, yeah,
Speaker 1: the word discipline, that's what came to my mind too,
Speaker 1: And it is different for us as like, you know,
Speaker 1: washed up dads, not your ricky um and these guys.
Speaker 1: Imagine being a millionaire. Imagine being a good looking professional
Speaker 1: athlete that has the world at his fingers and has
Speaker 1: no responsibilities at home, many of these guys, and then
Speaker 1: being told you can't do anything, you can't enjoy any
Speaker 1: of the fruits of your label, labor, or your successes
Speaker 1: or your money. It's it's asking so much of these
Speaker 1: guys because I remember when I was like, if you
Speaker 1: it's it's it's such a challenge and I don't like
Speaker 1: people that. And you'll see that I'm showing social media
Speaker 1: from cross you know, crogy old beat reporters will kill
Speaker 1: a guy for going to pick up what was it
Speaker 1: There was an NBA player that that went to pick
Speaker 1: up wings left the bubble wings. Um, maybe that's a
Speaker 1: little bit of a different example that I'm trying to
Speaker 1: draw here. But I'm not gonna like kill these guys
Speaker 1: if somebody messes up, because it's an incredibly difficult thing. Uh,
Speaker 1: the temptation I would think to stay in this uh
Speaker 1: your own bubble, and it's all up to you to
Speaker 1: do so. But I also think it's fair because you're
Speaker 1: making the decision that that, like, then don't play. I guess,
Speaker 1: like my my pointment, then don't play because it's not
Speaker 1: about you. It's about let's say it was a Chiefs player.
Speaker 1: It's about Patrick Mahomes and Andy Reid and everyone else.
Speaker 1: And you're making the decision that you're ultimately your lack
Speaker 1: of discipline, and I'm okay with putting those guys at risk.
Speaker 1: Not about yourself, but I'm putting I'm okay putting my
Speaker 1: homes and everyone else on the them and read at risk.
Speaker 1: And it's like, okay, a financial you know, huge financial
Speaker 1: penalty totally makes sense to me. And if and if
Speaker 1: you don't think you can handle it, then don't do it.
Speaker 1: It does. I mean, like someone like Jamie Collins came
Speaker 1: out and said, it is going to have to be
Speaker 1: on you know, time weather Warren veterans who've been around
Speaker 1: the block to really get in the ear of younger players,
Speaker 1: because you know, I don't remember, I don't feel this
Speaker 1: way walking around all the time. But when you're like
Speaker 1: a pro athlete and you've been essentially um told that
Speaker 1: you're invincible for the last seven or eight years of
Speaker 1: your youth into adulthood, you're gonna be seeing some of
Speaker 1: this differently than others. And I do think it's interesting.
Speaker 1: One little note that it's indoor bars, it's indoor this
Speaker 1: or that. I mean, there are we all have friends
Speaker 1: out and about in various capacities that we've seen who
Speaker 1: are gathering in large groups outdoors, and people are catching
Speaker 1: Corona that way as well. I mean, I don't know.
Speaker 1: To me, this is a time thing too. We've seen
Speaker 1: this in society. Every one's really cool with following rules
Speaker 1: for a bit of time, and then boredom, exhaustion whenever
Speaker 1: you want to throw the words out. Their temptation, the
Speaker 1: desire to be social really things that are met, that
Speaker 1: are real. I mean, if you're alone, if you're embubbled
Speaker 1: alone in your own apartment and your twenty two year
Speaker 1: old NFL player, you want to go out and see
Speaker 1: other people, and it's like, how do you you gotta
Speaker 1: stay perfect between now in January? It's a tall order. Um,
Speaker 1: all right, let's move on. I'm gonna zoom through a
Speaker 1: couple of things really quickly. Here Raheem Mostert and the
Speaker 1: forty Niners agree to an adjust a deal after his
Speaker 1: trade request. I don't know what's going big going on
Speaker 1: with this story. Is a lot of stuff going on
Speaker 1: in my life. There's a lot of stuff going on
Speaker 1: in the NFL. I'm not too plugged in. There was
Speaker 1: something with an agent apologizing was that even real? I
Speaker 1: don't know if that was that was a fake twet okay?
Speaker 1: I thought so, yeah, But you know, I know there
Speaker 1: was some talk about that and then apparently he was
Speaker 1: very upset. But now they have everything worked out best,
Speaker 1: she says, uh, with achievable incentives and as signing bonus,
Speaker 1: he can almost double the salary of two point eight
Speaker 1: seven five million this year. Good luck to him, good
Speaker 1: luck to ra Solid to the agent. Basically almost by
Speaker 1: giving him nothing and being like, here, you can at
Speaker 1: least put this out here as a news release and
Speaker 1: pretend like we gave you some Mormon right, And I mean,
Speaker 1: Kyle Shanahan could get Raggedy Ann to run for twelve
Speaker 1: hundred yards, so it's the best place. Where was he
Speaker 1: going to go? That was going to be better at
Speaker 1: this point in time as a running back. There aren't
Speaker 1: a lot of teams that even need running backs right now.
Speaker 1: The doll, Raggedy Ann and the doll, the doll yards here,
Speaker 1: twelve yards, ten touchdowns. I would not try to tackle
Speaker 1: a living doll running through a second run the other way.
Speaker 1: In fact, I think Raggedy Ann's died with with It
Speaker 1: wasn't even our generation, it was before. But even though not,
Speaker 1: do you know what a Raggedy Ann is? Erica? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I had one Oh wow, I couldn't have been more
Speaker 1: going a little bit freshen up on doll culture. I was,
Speaker 1: I was off my market. Maybe Courts of Thunder needs
Speaker 1: to be retired, Greg, and maybe a doll associated blog
Speaker 1: is what you should launch now or combine them, I
Speaker 1: mean in some way. Alex Smith, how about that the
Speaker 1: Washington quarterback who suffered that gnarly broken leg and it
Speaker 1: almost cost him his life and uh and his leg,
Speaker 1: but he has been working his way back since November
Speaker 1: of two, two thousand eighteen. He's underwent seventeen surgeries. He
Speaker 1: wore like a halo. Like there's raggedy And by the way,
Speaker 1: if you're watching the video stream, look at that nice
Speaker 1: job by them. Was the raggedy and modeled after a
Speaker 1: child killed by a vaccine? All right, I don't I
Speaker 1: don't need to read that story. It's too much negativity
Speaker 1: in my life as it is. Anyway, Alex Smith, he
Speaker 1: is undergoing a physical or has done, with Washington team
Speaker 1: doctors today Monday. The expectation is that he'll start training
Speaker 1: camp on the act of physically unable to form list
Speaker 1: that from rap Sheet and Tom Pallisero. He's in the
Speaker 1: building let's see if you can actually get back on
Speaker 1: the field in game action and in training camp. But
Speaker 1: it's an incredible comeback story mark for a guy that
Speaker 1: lost almost everything, including his life, and the guts, the
Speaker 1: guts to to say, not only am I going to
Speaker 1: move on from this and survive everything I came with it,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna try to play football again. I can't even imagine. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I just wonder what his career would look like in
Speaker 1: Washington right now had this injury not occurred. I mean,
Speaker 1: I like I've seen out there some people said, you
Speaker 1: know what, shut down the Comeback Player of the Year
Speaker 1: award race right now just to give it to Alex
Speaker 1: Smith because having seen images of what that leg looked
Speaker 1: like not so long ago. Um, I'm incredibly impressed that
Speaker 1: he's even essentially moving anything faster than a walk right now.
Speaker 1: Incredible toughness that that's a good point. I would say,
Speaker 1: if he makes the active roster and he's Dwayne Haskins
Speaker 1: is backup this season, I don't care if he never
Speaker 1: takes a snap. He's the comeback Player of the Year,
Speaker 1: come on now, Yeah, even if he even if he practices,
Speaker 1: I mean it, it's funny because you you think of
Speaker 1: how his career could have played out to like, sometimes
Speaker 1: we're so unfair in terms of like using the word
Speaker 1: toughness in terms of athletes. You know, it's like, I
Speaker 1: don't think toughness would have been the word people thought
Speaker 1: of when you thought of Alex Smith before this. And
Speaker 1: yet if you act, if you think about what he
Speaker 1: actually had gone through, one of one of the worst
Speaker 1: starts for like a number one overall draft pick we've
Speaker 1: ever seen in the kind of career that he did
Speaker 1: end up having. That takes toughness too, And there's so
Speaker 1: much that goes on behind the scenes. You don't you
Speaker 1: don't know these these men at all. It's a crazy story.
Speaker 1: They do have Kyle Allen as who's supposed to be
Speaker 1: their backup. Still feels like, I don't I guess even
Speaker 1: guessing what's gonna happen is tough to guess, but it
Speaker 1: still feels like, man, it is a long shot, but
Speaker 1: he has made it so so far that who's who's
Speaker 1: the doubt him? Now? I did forge at the Kyle
Speaker 1: Allen was in the building and finally in the news
Speaker 1: Kicker's Club. Everybody can go, well, fifteen people can come
Speaker 1: into the Kicker's club, you better wear a mask. Most okay.
Speaker 1: Aldrick Rosas evicted from the Kickers Club because he's been
Speaker 1: released by the New York Giants, Mike Gara, Flat follow
Speaker 1: and Rapstreet reported Sunday Morning. Uh. In a subsequent move,
Speaker 1: the Giants are expected to sign more own chandler Catna Zero,
Speaker 1: So Rosa's ultimately marked this situation if he was a
Speaker 1: second team All Pro this offseason heading towards it this season,
Speaker 1: he's still on the Giants. Have to be honest. But
Speaker 1: after that ugly hit and run arrest that followed a
Speaker 1: bad season with New York, he gone, yeah, I think
Speaker 1: it's you know, if you're if you're the Giants, you
Speaker 1: better be scoring touchdowns. I don't think that you're on
Speaker 1: team Strengthedge distant, long distance, Steel goes to the moon.
Speaker 1: Maybe the Kicker club can don't go outdoors. I don't
Speaker 1: know if you guys saw the video of our old
Speaker 1: friend John Locke, who is now the strength and conditioning
Speaker 1: coach of the Chargers, former NFL scouting combine hero and
Speaker 1: hard knocked guy. But they've got a beautiful outdoor, you know,
Speaker 1: facility to lift weights and why not, why not bring
Speaker 1: the kicksbub out there. Eric is in the club with
Speaker 1: one person in the club, but she seems to be
Speaker 1: making the most of an outdoor nightclub. All right, Well,
Speaker 1: like I see like the bars now are you know
Speaker 1: the ones that are sort of outdoors but not really
Speaker 1: like they're pushing the envelope where it's like you know,
Speaker 1: the you know, they open up like kind of a thing,
Speaker 1: but it's not really outdoors, you know, so you know,
Speaker 1: you know it might be unsafe. Butick and I've talked
Speaker 1: about this on this show, Losing Teasing. The virtual reality
Speaker 1: masks since Skinnamax in the mid nineties, the capabilities, it
Speaker 1: is time to get these virtual reality masks going and
Speaker 1: maybe we could all, in a socially responsible way gather
Speaker 1: in a large field, put on the virtual virtual reality masks,
Speaker 1: UH and our regular masks, and then just have a
Speaker 1: nice time together in a virtual sense. What do we
Speaker 1: I mean, what do we look like? And what are
Speaker 1: we wearing? Are we wearing? When you look through the
Speaker 1: mask and I were to look at you, what would
Speaker 1: I be seen? Just you wearing the same T shirt
Speaker 1: you're wearing now or something in a field together? Why
Speaker 1: don't we just hang out because you want to get
Speaker 1: replicate the club experience. So maybe you upload what you
Speaker 1: perceived to be the greatest of physical look you have,
Speaker 1: whether you a man or woman, and that's what gets
Speaker 1: uploaded into the the hard drive or whatever the software,
Speaker 1: and then that's what the people see from you when
Speaker 1: you come into their vision. Right, I would amp up
Speaker 1: my hotness like reistic levels. So well, if suddenly I'm
Speaker 1: six ft two, I mean a lot of things will
Speaker 1: be changing. Personally. One of the toughest things about this
Speaker 1: pandemic has been the reduced time in the club for me.
Speaker 1: You know, it's just not out there with the people
Speaker 1: like I used to be. I get it, I get it.
Speaker 1: That's what's happening in the news. All right, Before we go,
Speaker 1: let's just talk about something that Greg Rosenthal is working
Speaker 1: on this week on NFL dot Com. It's a column, Greg,
Speaker 1: and it's kind of digging into and what's going to
Speaker 1: be the most non conventional training camp in the history
Speaker 1: of professional football, how teams are set up for success
Speaker 1: or failure. Take it away, well, because it's in theory. Okay,
Speaker 1: the pandemic hurts everyone, but it's like the standings are
Speaker 1: a zero sum game, right, so it's like, no, it's
Speaker 1: gonna hurt. The teams that can take advantage of it
Speaker 1: and essentially be less hurt by it are gonna have
Speaker 1: an advantage. And I it crossed my mind when we
Speaker 1: did this UM segment on Friday on our broadcast. Again,
Speaker 1: I think you can check this out on NFL game Pass,
Speaker 1: which has been free all summer UM if people are
Speaker 1: looking for a way to find it. But we we
Speaker 1: talked about the a f C s, and I thought
Speaker 1: about the challenge that Brian Flores had. So obviously rookie
Speaker 1: head coaches are gonna have a challenge. But I looked
Speaker 1: at the Dolphins roster. They got about eleven starting jobs
Speaker 1: up for grabs. They have so many young players all
Speaker 1: over the roster, draft picks because they had three first
Speaker 1: round draft picks, you know, you know some of that
Speaker 1: Larry me Tunsil trade coming through. They also have a
Speaker 1: rookie quarterback in Tua who they want to get up
Speaker 1: to speed. They also have a brand new offensive coordinator,
Speaker 1: Chan Gailey. They have a brand new defensive coordinator, although
Speaker 1: that's Floris's side of the ball, and that that to me.
Speaker 1: I looked at that roster. It's not a very good one,
Speaker 1: and I thought, like, that is one team to me
Speaker 1: that's gonna it's gonna be hurt more than other teams.
Speaker 1: It's gonna be hurt more than the other teams in
Speaker 1: the a f C. East. Let's say, for instance, who
Speaker 1: have continuity on their coaching staff. I mean they have
Speaker 1: like nine literally nine spots on their team that they're like, okay,
Speaker 1: those are the guys that are starting. Otherwise it was
Speaker 1: gonna be competition and its young players and it's trying
Speaker 1: to teach them a new system, and that to me,
Speaker 1: I know Brian Flores is good and he was impressive,
Speaker 1: but like, that is one of the teams I look
Speaker 1: at like that is a big time challenge, and not
Speaker 1: every team is facing that sort of challenge that the
Speaker 1: Dolphins are, So it's another team that's facing a challenge.
Speaker 1: Mark Well, I would actually look towards a player, um,
Speaker 1: I would say a positive would be someone like the
Speaker 1: Bills returning their entire defense. But when I look at
Speaker 1: when I think about the idea of having to have
Speaker 1: your dry run coming like week one, this flurry of
Speaker 1: uh like left tackles that were drafted to start from
Speaker 1: the minute the season begins, and your raw first experience
Speaker 1: UM against an unknown opponent could be you dealing with
Speaker 1: von Miller. I just you know, fill in the bank,
Speaker 1: uh total Bmith that's out to destroy You've never played
Speaker 1: in the NFL before. There's a couple I can think
Speaker 1: of the Browns, uh first round pick who has to
Speaker 1: shift to left tackle for the first time. I mean,
Speaker 1: there are complexities and imagine being along with that. You know,
Speaker 1: rookie wide receivers struggle in general more so than you
Speaker 1: think when you look at them on draft day. A
Speaker 1: lot of their numbers just aren't that impressive. You're shifted
Speaker 1: into an offense that you really have never been into
Speaker 1: any sort of game scenario with. And it extends to
Speaker 1: Greg mentioned it like a first time play color whether
Speaker 1: you're up in the booth or on the sideline, and
Speaker 1: general game communication. You're gonna have no ability to test
Speaker 1: that out other until you know Week one starts. And
Speaker 1: it goes back to the idea that we could be
Speaker 1: seen some really wacky September football, which I kind of
Speaker 1: think is cool if it happens, I think it's gonna
Speaker 1: be fascinating, But it could be really hard um for
Speaker 1: certain players being thrust into it out of nowhere. I
Speaker 1: think September has the potential to be completely strange. And
Speaker 1: of course you are about thing I worry about is
Speaker 1: the least exciting thing to talk about, which is a
Speaker 1: bunch of guys blowing hamstrings and straining calf muscles. And
Speaker 1: you just have to you have to kind of maybe
Speaker 1: expect that to be part of this experience. Hopefully everybody
Speaker 1: will be proven wrong. But the fact that you're not
Speaker 1: gonna have a traditional ramp up period through the spring,
Speaker 1: summer training camp. You're not gonna have uh, preseason games
Speaker 1: for guys to get their feet wet. You're just gonna
Speaker 1: be just imagine the adrenaline that's gonna be pupping through
Speaker 1: these guys by the time they get to the field
Speaker 1: in Week one. And then one team that did jump
Speaker 1: to mind for me, and I know it. You don't
Speaker 1: need to be a rocket scientist. You know that rookies
Speaker 1: are in a tough spot right now, and rookie quarterbacks
Speaker 1: specifically because the leap is so big from college Chapro,
Speaker 1: the Joe Burrow thing, the number one overall picking Cincinnati.
Speaker 1: I know our podcast is high on the Bengals is
Speaker 1: a potential sleeper team this year. But if Joe Burrow,
Speaker 1: who by everyone's accounts, is gonna be a week one starter,
Speaker 1: if he's gonna need six weeks to even kind of
Speaker 1: figure it out, or three or four weeks even, and
Speaker 1: the Bengals as a result get off to a really
Speaker 1: bad start, well, the thoughts of them as a playoff
Speaker 1: wild card darling or hanging around today see North, maybe
Speaker 1: you need to recalibrate some expectations, right, I like this,
Speaker 1: maybe this cop maybe this idea is even too simple
Speaker 1: to even put in a column, but it's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: anyone really like he's the only rookie QB that we
Speaker 1: were expecting to start Week one, it's gonna hurt the
Speaker 1: rookies in theory. It's it's hurting teams that are have
Speaker 1: new systems on both sides of all. Because I think
Speaker 1: one thing we should point out, Yeah, as part of
Speaker 1: this is the rules that the NFL and the players
Speaker 1: agreed to with training camp. And it's like we're reporting
Speaker 1: we have inside training camp live happening right now, and
Speaker 1: right now it's just like, you know, guys, tested are
Speaker 1: we gonna do on NFL Network. Sorry, are we gonna
Speaker 1: do live test results or something, because that's all we're
Speaker 1: talking about. It's like, okay, Lamar Lamar Jackson has now
Speaker 1: passed his first three days of testing and he's now
Speaker 1: into the building. So that's like the level of football
Speaker 1: news we're at. But it's gotta be let that way
Speaker 1: for a while. It's testing for four days and most
Speaker 1: of the teams haven't even started that. Then it's physicals
Speaker 1: for a couple of days, then it's strength and conditioning
Speaker 1: for a week. Then it's like light practice. By then
Speaker 1: we're to August mid August, and we're too light practicing.
Speaker 1: Then we're too mid to late August before you put
Speaker 1: the pads on, and it's only like it's some sort
Speaker 1: of level of I think eight padded practices in camp
Speaker 1: and then maybe a few more in the season. You're
Speaker 1: talking about like ten padded practices. So to your point,
Speaker 1: like on a left tackle trying to get ready, like
Speaker 1: that's hard for him, and it's it's hard for the
Speaker 1: Browns too, because they've got a new coach, Like they've
Speaker 1: got more of a veteran team, but they've got a
Speaker 1: new coach. On both sides of about haven't heard a
Speaker 1: lot of Joe Woods pop this off season, but that's
Speaker 1: their defensive coordinator. They have a whole new, you know
Speaker 1: system to try to install on it. It just feels
Speaker 1: like a little more challenging when you're barely on the field.
Speaker 1: Like it's one. It's one reason why teams that kept
Speaker 1: their coaches, like the Jets for instance, that might have
Speaker 1: been on the on the fence. It's like, well that's
Speaker 1: one plus of it. I think this offseason that you
Speaker 1: don't I don't think you want a new coach right now.
Speaker 1: Look at like we I love Matt rule and the
Speaker 1: whole idea of Matt rule, but talk about a potential
Speaker 1: slow start. You have an entire um group of assistants
Speaker 1: that have no NFL experience, and your defense is rookie
Speaker 1: heavy and completely overhauled, and you have a new quarterback.
Speaker 1: It just seems like there is a competitive disadvantage there.
Speaker 1: And I know that this, you know. I I feel
Speaker 1: like I may be overly stressed and hit on this
Speaker 1: point back in March and April and it was a
Speaker 1: tad paned, but um, at this point, I think it
Speaker 1: is just it is going to separate experienced you've got
Speaker 1: to be coaching. Typically the very can maybe militaristic looking,
Speaker 1: you know, you do the same thing day after day,
Speaker 1: but you're gonna have to be flexible and nimble on
Speaker 1: your feet. And I think that the coaching staffs and
Speaker 1: players who can operate in that environment are gonna thrive.
Speaker 1: And I don't think it's crazy to think that we're
Speaker 1: probably not going to see you know, Corona could throw
Speaker 1: everything into a blender, but would we see more playoff
Speaker 1: teams from last year with that coach quarter act veteran
Speaker 1: presents still intact just going back to the playoffs. I
Speaker 1: think it's just the challenges for some of these new
Speaker 1: fangled operations are as heightened as they've ever been. There
Speaker 1: is no padded practices for thirty of the thirty two
Speaker 1: teams until August seventeen. You know who's hurt by this
Speaker 1: hard knocks? What is gonna be going on with that show? Yeah,
Speaker 1: we got no place games. It's once they're in the building.
Speaker 1: There is part of it that at least I'm in.
Speaker 1: I'm interested in what I'm not sure what it's going
Speaker 1: to be in terms of the drama. You're right, but
Speaker 1: I guess I am curious to see whatever this is
Speaker 1: gonna be, because it's also unprecedented. If anything, we always
Speaker 1: make fun of hard Knocks for hitting the same beats. Well,
Speaker 1: they can't hit the same beats this this time, right,
Speaker 1: That's true. Some of the Hard Knocks tropes you won't
Speaker 1: be able to lean on, Like the defensive lineman going
Speaker 1: to Disneyland for the seventh time. You can't. You just
Speaker 1: can't hit that anymore. You can't hit it. The Broncos
Speaker 1: stand out to me. I'm just to throw one more
Speaker 1: random surprise. Team also sought to me because they were
Speaker 1: really county on rookies and people kind of forget that
Speaker 1: they have a whole new offense with Pat Shermer and
Speaker 1: it's just a very young team on both sides of all,
Speaker 1: but especially offense. They stuck out to me and the
Speaker 1: ones that are helped their kind of I guess it's
Speaker 1: maybe too obvious, but it's like it's it's veteran teams,
Speaker 1: veteran coaches, Raven Steelers, It's Chiefs, you know, it's it's
Speaker 1: Sean Payton kind of grown men team where it's a
Speaker 1: bunch of guys on their second contracts that matter for you.
Speaker 1: With all due respect, with all due respect to Tom Brady,
Speaker 1: I feel like Sean Payton and Drew Brees are gonna
Speaker 1: run rough shot through the NFC South. Just call it
Speaker 1: a feeling called a hunch. I mean, you talk. There
Speaker 1: is no coach quarterback combination that I would trust more
Speaker 1: right now with the extenuating circumstances at play. And you know,
Speaker 1: Belichick is gonna do well through this two. So that's
Speaker 1: another that's another kind of take that went on through
Speaker 1: the spring and summer. This is the Bill's year. You know,
Speaker 1: get excited. Hey, Jets fans, there's hope. No, there isn't
Speaker 1: um the Patriots when they're four and oh, when they
Speaker 1: hit October, all of a sudden, they're gonna be in
Speaker 1: the driver's seat for another division. Mark mark my words
Speaker 1: on that one. They'll have some great continuity though, you know,
Speaker 1: like they are a team that feels like all their coaches,
Speaker 1: they got all their players back, you know, they are
Speaker 1: a team. I think it would also feel good that
Speaker 1: it's like, hey, we're we're bringing back the same guys
Speaker 1: that have mostly been here the last couple of years.
Speaker 1: You know, so that that's a bit of plus one
Speaker 1: And I'm looking forward to seeing your peace, Greg and
Speaker 1: NFL dot com this week. But one thing that you
Speaker 1: might want to alter is any trepid, any trepidation around
Speaker 1: the Broncos who have a second year quarterback who was
Speaker 1: a solid C plus for the last five games last year,
Speaker 1: and I like, there is nothing to worry about there.
Speaker 1: I mean a rock solid C plus performance by juw
Speaker 1: Lock down the stretch so that team is locked and
Speaker 1: loaded thirty points a game. I don't care what's going
Speaker 1: on in the world. I was IRUs gonna virus not
Speaker 1: in Denver. I was on your I was on your
Speaker 1: course with Lock. But I I went back. I watched
Speaker 1: those games. Now I'm a little I'm a little bit off,
Speaker 1: but I am. I'm not on Pat Shermer corner. So
Speaker 1: that that raises that raises issues for me. Whatever you
Speaker 1: saw it, I drew Lock last year. It's like, okay,
Speaker 1: now it's a whole new system. All right, good talk?
Speaker 1: Anybody else have anything else to add today? I'm ready
Speaker 1: to go, Ricky. Yeah, it's good. Um, we'll be back. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Folklore is pretty good. I like it. I mean it's
Speaker 1: it's good. It took me a minute to warm up
Speaker 1: to it, but I do you have regrets that that's
Speaker 1: an album that's if there's ever a grower, And we're
Speaker 1: talking about Taylor Swift's surprise release Folklore, featuring a huge
Speaker 1: contribution from Greg's band The Nationals. Uh, if there's if
Speaker 1: there's ever been an album that requires, you know, a
Speaker 1: full weekend of living with it a little bit before
Speaker 1: making a statement about it. Ricky comes on the air
Speaker 1: about twelve hours after it comes out in national television
Speaker 1: and says it's quote unquote good, not her best, not
Speaker 1: that great. Forget twelve hours, about twelve minutes after she
Speaker 1: started listening to what she calls it folk bore on Twitter.
Speaker 1: You know I enjoyed, you know, yeah, I don't know
Speaker 1: it definitely the more it's Cutchy, it's it's a it's good,
Speaker 1: it's good. I still don't think it's her best album.
Speaker 1: Do you do you think it's her best? Not her best?
Speaker 1: But I it's a perfect album for the times. It's
Speaker 1: it's I'm really I'm into I'm big. I'm big into it.
Speaker 1: And the if if you're interested in like a great
Speaker 1: um connection of American history with a huge popular artist,
Speaker 1: and then the fates intertwined to bring them together, and
Speaker 1: then that artist writes an incredible song. The Last Great
Speaker 1: American Dynasty is about a really interesting woman who actually
Speaker 1: lived in Taylor Swiff's house in Rhode Island. She wrote
Speaker 1: a whole song about her history and it's very interesting
Speaker 1: and it's the best song on the album. I think
Speaker 1: I really like August too. August is a really good one. Mark.
Speaker 1: How about you? Well, I mean I went on I'm
Speaker 1: not a huge Swifty or whatever there you would call them,
Speaker 1: but like, because of the album landing, I spent the
Speaker 1: weekend kind of going down. What a weekend for Cessler
Speaker 1: by the way, between the Jets mania, between his MLB
Speaker 1: fandom again or something, because they were we were just
Speaker 1: you know, we were. It was all happening in one
Speaker 1: And then you're big on Swift, let's hear about that.
Speaker 1: I just think that because I'm more like, you know,
Speaker 1: I didn't focus just on this album. I watched her
Speaker 1: documentary on Netflix. I went through a bunch of her
Speaker 1: so I knew some of her songs, but just the
Speaker 1: whole thing and I and more and more, Um am
Speaker 1: I a fan? Now you know, I'm a new beat
Speaker 1: to the whole thing. I'm not an expert by any stretch,
Speaker 1: but uh, I think she's by myself, had been vastly
Speaker 1: underrated up to this point. And then you're throwing the
Speaker 1: buffalo blue Jay's assuming the thing doesn't go off a cliff,
Speaker 1: and there are a lot of new things to be
Speaker 1: plugged into right now. I think the blue Jay's game
Speaker 1: starts in about two hours, So let's wrap this up.
Speaker 1: Did you did you say, am I right that you
Speaker 1: you texted the words she's my she's my prince, my
Speaker 1: new Princess Diana. Was that? Yes? Well, I think she
Speaker 1: has that aura to her a little bit um, which is,
Speaker 1: you know, I probably had a different viewpoint than you
Speaker 1: guys on Princess Diana. I moved from England, if you
Speaker 1: didn't know, I lived in London and like, as a
Speaker 1: small child, got up four in the morning to watch
Speaker 1: her marriage to Princess to Prince Charles, and like so
Speaker 1: she had been part of my life forever and couldn't
Speaker 1: believe when she was, um, you know, taken away from us. Terrible. Anyways,
Speaker 1: I love Diana, so I think she's got a little
Speaker 1: bit of that aura tour she's she's she's got some royalty.
Speaker 1: I think your heart's had time to heal, so now
Speaker 1: it's time for someone new. You know, it's been that's
Speaker 1: it's been twenty years or what I mean, it's been
Speaker 1: three years since we lost. I'm not claiming that I'm
Speaker 1: like heartbroken over Princess Tight every day. I'm just saying
Speaker 1: that there, you know, there was some attachment to the
Speaker 1: idea of Princess Diana and Taylor Swift is a similar archetype.
Speaker 1: In my book Goodbye English Rose by Elton John great
Speaker 1: song or the greatest song ever? Neither? All right, hot
Speaker 1: take good stuff, guys. The greatest song ever? That? Yeah, no,
Speaker 1: not even close. Come on, do you think believe it is?
Speaker 1: But yeah, I guess it's It's subjective. So um uh,
Speaker 1: you were still podcasting, guys. Sten had to sign it
Speaker 1: off or arm the old boss Ricky Hollywood. It was