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Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff you Should Know from how Stuff Works

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Speaker 1: dot com. Hello, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark,

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Speaker 1: and there's Charles W. Chuck Bryant, and there's Jerry over there,

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Speaker 1: and this is stuff you should know. We're about to

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Speaker 1: lay our hands all over you. Who knows what will happen?

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Speaker 1: Maybe nothing, who knows? Yeah? That was gross? How so

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Speaker 1: lay your hands on me? That a bon Jovie song? Uh? No?

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Speaker 1: Hold on? Who was that? Was that? Bon job? Oh?

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Speaker 1: Thompson Twins? Maybe Jerry, did you hear she just said

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Speaker 1: duff Leppard. No, I don't think that's pour some sugar

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Speaker 1: on me, good cob. What it's wrong with you to

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Speaker 1: pour some hands on me? No? Lay your hands on me?

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Speaker 1: On me is like, Uh, I think it's a Tompson

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Speaker 1: Twins song or something like that. Well, that's not the

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Speaker 1: one I'm thinking of. I don't know what you're thinking of.

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Speaker 1: I'm thinking of the bon Jovi song. I'll be the

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Speaker 1: bon Jovi song is dirtier than this song. Uh. Then

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Speaker 1: Thompson Twins, Yeah, yeah, I would say so. Yeah, Thompson

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Speaker 1: Twins were real clean cut, not bon Jovi. Ended up

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Speaker 1: weirdly seeing bon Jovi in concert. Uh two times. I'll

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Speaker 1: bet that was rid. I'll bet you're like, what am

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Speaker 1: I doing here? Well? One time they opened up for

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Speaker 1: thirty eight Special? How did I get here? Wait? Wait, wait, wait,

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Speaker 1: wait a second, I'm sorry you walk right that's that way? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Does that mean you intended to be at the thirty

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Speaker 1: eight Special concerts? Oh yeah, dude. Yeah. It was like

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Speaker 1: twelve all right, way into the southern rock scene back then,

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Speaker 1: and still am to some degree. I still like me

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Speaker 1: them some thirty eight Special. Uh. And then bon Jovi

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Speaker 1: opened up. It was before they were uh, you know,

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Speaker 1: before they were bond VI, like they were opening up

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Speaker 1: for bands. Well, sure, yeah. And then I saw them again.

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Speaker 1: I won't name names, but I saw them again in

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Speaker 1: high school at the peak of their fame, when a

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Speaker 1: person at my high school had bought two tickets and

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Speaker 1: could not get any of the girls at school to

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Speaker 1: go with him. Weird, during the height of bon Jovi's fame. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and so this guy must have been a real dog.

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Speaker 1: I felt bad for this person, and so I went

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Speaker 1: and saw bon Jovi with this person. And that's just

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Speaker 1: the kind of guy I was back then. These days,

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Speaker 1: I would have said buzz off. Are you still friends

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Speaker 1: with this guy? Okay? Does he listen to the podcast? Uh? Maybe? Well,

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Speaker 1: let's just edit out me calling him a dog. Then

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Speaker 1: I'm sure he grew into a fine specimen. Okay. Well,

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Speaker 1: as you know, I can play all of bon Jovi's

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Speaker 1: Slippery when Wet on the Quaker oat Boxes in my

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Speaker 1: air band. Oh that's right, yep. Although I never saw

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Speaker 1: him in concert, well, I gotta say that that second Uh, like,

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Speaker 1: I never would have paid to go see them, But

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Speaker 1: it wasn't bad. Yeah, I wouldn't think it would be.

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Speaker 1: I mean, they're they're they're pros. They know what they're doing.

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Speaker 1: You know. So the first concert not so great. I

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Speaker 1: mean for an opening band. You know, I got Runaway.

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Speaker 1: That was kind of the only notable song they had

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Speaker 1: She's a little Runaway. I didn't know it was. I

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Speaker 1: thought that was Thompson Twins. This has been a great

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Speaker 1: open Yeah, especially for people who are interested in faith healing.

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Speaker 1: You're like, who are these guys. Let's get to it,

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Speaker 1: shall we? Yes? Okay, so we're talking today about faith healing.

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Speaker 1: We've actually talked about some of this before, I would

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Speaker 1: refer everybody to our two thousand eight twenty minute long

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Speaker 1: how Prayer Healing episode works? Remember of that. Nope, that

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Speaker 1: that whole that cardiology study about intercessory prayer didn't ring

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Speaker 1: was that's where it found. It's it's purchased originally. So

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Speaker 1: this is much much bigger, broader picture that we're looking at. Right,

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Speaker 1: But when you talk about faith healing, there are basically

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Speaker 1: two types that people kind of lump into two different categories.

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Speaker 1: One is prayer. Right, There's this idea and it's it's

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Speaker 1: a pretty widely held idea among people all around the

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Speaker 1: world of different religions, of different cultures that by praying

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Speaker 1: you're you're praying for, whether it be like that they

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Speaker 1: form of faith healing. It's it's saying I believe that

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Speaker 1: physical or mental state, and that's one form of faith healing. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and for me, I'm not a religious guy anymore as

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Speaker 1: any reason that they're going to pray for me, depending

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Speaker 1: would never confront someone over that or say don't do that.

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Speaker 1: I don't believe in that. You don't bear your teeth

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Speaker 1: and hiss at him. But it might in my own

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Speaker 1: know what, I'll take that, thank you. Well, depending on

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Speaker 1: Just hold off on that one. Okay, what do you mean?

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Speaker 1: So there was a study, Yeah, there was a study

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Speaker 1: on intercessory prayer and it was a pretty good study

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Speaker 1: using the scientific method that cut people up into three

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Speaker 1: receiving the exact same procedure coronary bypass surgery at six

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Speaker 1: different hospitals, and three groups of people, um who I

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Speaker 1: Carmelite nuns were all approached and asked to pray for

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Speaker 1: these people. These carmelized nuns, carmel lite nuns, they're not

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Speaker 1: three groups prayed for these people, and they said they

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Speaker 1: they specifically, all of them prayed specifically for a successful

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Speaker 1: want to say, just just don't pray for me this

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Speaker 1: time around. Okay. Yeah, And was this a Grabster article? Yeah? Um,

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Speaker 1: it's just it's really tough to scientifically study intercessory prayer.

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Speaker 1: And I don't remember if we covered that ten years

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Speaker 1: mentions the sharpshooter effect, which is there are so many

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Speaker 1: So there's you know, people have taken this quite seriously.

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Speaker 1: the kind that probably comes to mind when somebody brings

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Speaker 1: up faith healing and that is usually an evangelical preacher

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Speaker 1: profitbly Lay evangelical Preacher, No no, no conceptual balls. Oh nice, Okay,

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Speaker 1: that would be kind of like a Thompson Twins cover band. Uh.

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Speaker 1: everyone thinks that they're healed, and no one here's the

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Speaker 1: follow up story that's in that auditorium, right, Yeah, And

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Speaker 1: But so how about this, chuck, Let's go take a

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Speaker 1: commercial and when'll come back, we'll tell we'll tell everybody

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Speaker 1: what it would be like to go to a faith

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Speaker 1: healing sermon and then after that we'll talk about the

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Speaker 1: skeptical view of the whole thing. Alright, so we promised to,

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Speaker 1: um tell you what it's like to go to one

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Speaker 1: of these faith healing Um what do you call them?

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Speaker 1: type it is. It could be a service, a sermon,

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Speaker 1: a revival. Um. Yeah, probably a revival is usually a

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Speaker 1: what they were doing was challenging the idea that God

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Speaker 1: was giving them information based on the idea, right, God

425
00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:04,720
Speaker 1: wouldn't have given you this bad information That was a lie,

426
00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:08,199
Speaker 1: so therefore you don't have this pipeline to God. I

427
00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:11,600
Speaker 1: could see Bennie Hin just being like, hey, as happens, right,

428
00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:16,640
Speaker 1: He's he's famous for the saying that, uh, the second

429
00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:24,440
Speaker 1: category is exposed legitimate, straight up fraud, and that the

430
00:26:24,840 --> 00:26:28,199
Speaker 1: poster child of that is Peter pop Off. He was

431
00:26:29,040 --> 00:26:34,440
Speaker 1: he was exposed, exposed at the kind of the height

432
00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:38,760
Speaker 1: of his earlier career. Yet he still makes a ton

433
00:26:38,800 --> 00:26:43,520
Speaker 1: of money today selling holy water water. He don't he

434
00:26:43,560 --> 00:26:46,360
Speaker 1: doesn't sell it. If you send a donation and as

435
00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:48,920
Speaker 1: a thank you gifts, he'll send you your holy spring water.

436
00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:53,040
Speaker 1: Get it right, So, and then people who have gotten

437
00:26:53,040 --> 00:26:56,000
Speaker 1: this holy spring water come on and say, right after that,

438
00:26:56,040 --> 00:26:57,960
Speaker 1: I got a check from the I R S that

439
00:26:58,000 --> 00:27:00,480
Speaker 1: I wasn't expecting and now my house is paid off.

440
00:27:00,520 --> 00:27:03,120
Speaker 1: Thank you Peter pop Off. Right, that's what he's doing now.

441
00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:06,200
Speaker 1: So he went bankrupt getting caught red handed. The amazing

442
00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:11,000
Speaker 1: Randy James Randy exposed Peter pop Off on Johnny Carson's

443
00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:15,080
Speaker 1: Tonight Show in front of millions of people. Totally ended

444
00:27:15,119 --> 00:27:19,240
Speaker 1: the guy's career right there. He went bankrupt very quickly afterwards,

445
00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:21,880
Speaker 1: like he was. They were the ones using the earpiece. Right. Yeah,

446
00:27:21,920 --> 00:27:25,600
Speaker 1: So Peter pop Off was getting like you said, basically

447
00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:29,520
Speaker 1: the premise of Fletch Too. His wife was going through

448
00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:33,160
Speaker 1: prayer cards, saying people's names, saying the details they'd written

449
00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:35,880
Speaker 1: down about what diseases they wanted cured and what their

450
00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:39,520
Speaker 1: prayers were. And Peter Popoff was being fed this information

451
00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:42,879
Speaker 1: through an earpiece. Well, he was pretending that he was

452
00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:46,320
Speaker 1: getting this information from God the gift of knowledge and

453
00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:50,359
Speaker 1: wowing people seven days a week, six days a week

454
00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:53,160
Speaker 1: at his revivals and making a lot of money. James

455
00:27:53,280 --> 00:27:56,560
Speaker 1: Randy went to one of his revivals Number one, inserted

456
00:27:56,560 --> 00:27:59,640
Speaker 1: a plant in there a couple of times, a few

457
00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:02,840
Speaker 1: different plants, so disputed his gift of knowledge. But then

458
00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:06,040
Speaker 1: also made a recording of the radio transmission of his

459
00:28:06,119 --> 00:28:09,560
Speaker 1: wife and then plays it on the Carson Show. So

460
00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:14,399
Speaker 1: ends this guy's career. Um, this is in. By two

461
00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:18,080
Speaker 1: thousand five, he was back to making like twenty four

462
00:28:18,119 --> 00:28:22,639
Speaker 1: million dollars a year through divine debt relief. How did

463
00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:25,320
Speaker 1: people not pick up on that in the audience, I

464
00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:29,000
Speaker 1: don't know. I think it's probably all I know how

465
00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:31,760
Speaker 1: they pick up on it, And that's part of what

466
00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:37,479
Speaker 1: makes this so sad is they are so desperate for health,

467
00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:41,040
Speaker 1: good health that they will believe anything. They don't think,

468
00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:44,680
Speaker 1: oh my god, this guy just called my name out

469
00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:48,560
Speaker 1: of thin air, uh and said all these details that

470
00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:51,280
Speaker 1: a weight that I wrote down on an index card

471
00:28:51,320 --> 00:28:54,640
Speaker 1: on the way in and handed to somebody Like, they

472
00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:57,440
Speaker 1: don't make that connection. So I think that's a pretty

473
00:28:57,440 --> 00:29:01,280
Speaker 1: good point. They're either desperate to be he old or

474
00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:04,520
Speaker 1: this is like their genuine belief that some guy has

475
00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:06,600
Speaker 1: come in and been like, oh, this is what you believe, Well,

476
00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:08,400
Speaker 1: let me figure out how to work that into my

477
00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:13,440
Speaker 1: into my scam. Either way, it's it's I mean, don't

478
00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:16,720
Speaker 1: you you shouldn't. Shouldn't. I'm not saying you are. I'm

479
00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:18,720
Speaker 1: talking to you people out on podcast Lane her like

480
00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:22,680
Speaker 1: what suckers, what chumps? That's that's not for you to judge.

481
00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:25,800
Speaker 1: These these people are are in some cases being very

482
00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:30,280
Speaker 1: much preyed upon. Oh yeah, not in all cases, though

483
00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:33,000
Speaker 1: there are so so far, We've got Benny Hin, We've

484
00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:36,760
Speaker 1: got Peter pop Off. I know it took me forever

485
00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:40,240
Speaker 1: to be like that's not a that's not a typographical error.

486
00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:42,640
Speaker 1: But I can't tell you how many times I tuned

487
00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:44,840
Speaker 1: in to watch Benny Hill. I was like, man, when

488
00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:49,120
Speaker 1: am I going to learn? They're both? And then the

489
00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:53,400
Speaker 1: third type is um exemplified by a guy named Hobart Freeman.

490
00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:58,520
Speaker 1: You would call these people utterly and complete true believers, right,

491
00:29:59,320 --> 00:30:03,960
Speaker 1: they are the ones who die because they're walking the walk.

492
00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:07,840
Speaker 1: Actually not Hobart Freeman. He died in part of complications

493
00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:09,760
Speaker 1: from gang green and his leg that he wouldn't go

494
00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:12,560
Speaker 1: get medical treatment from. So he was actually preaching sitting

495
00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:15,400
Speaker 1: down and not walking at all. But he died. He

496
00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:19,280
Speaker 1: he prayed over his sicknesses, his pneumonia, his gang green,

497
00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:22,200
Speaker 1: and his leg. And he had something called faith assembly

498
00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:26,800
Speaker 1: I believe in Indiana, and he was preaching that medical

499
00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:30,440
Speaker 1: not just you know, come and get your your your

500
00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:34,760
Speaker 1: faith healing. But medical interventions are not. It's not it's

501
00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:37,760
Speaker 1: a sign of that's that's evil. That's basically a sign

502
00:30:37,760 --> 00:30:39,640
Speaker 1: of a lack of faith in God. Yeah. I mean

503
00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:42,480
Speaker 1: he was to the point where he was like, don't

504
00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:46,080
Speaker 1: even clean my wound, like that's medical treatment, and I

505
00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:50,160
Speaker 1: refuse that, yea, And so he died. I'm not quite

506
00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:52,960
Speaker 1: sure how old he was the problem is this is

507
00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:55,920
Speaker 1: like he's an adult, he can make his own decisions,

508
00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:59,960
Speaker 1: especially in the United States, where religious freedom is vehemently protected.

509
00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:04,160
Speaker 1: It yea. The problem with him and his Faith Assembly

510
00:31:04,520 --> 00:31:07,360
Speaker 1: was that he took like ninety people with him while

511
00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:11,960
Speaker 1: he was doing this, including babies who were neglected um

512
00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:15,560
Speaker 1: any kind of medical care, children who were um who

513
00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:20,640
Speaker 1: died of easily treatable diseases, women who died in childbirth. UM.

514
00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:25,160
Speaker 1: Ninety people they decided died and I think between five

515
00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:29,560
Speaker 1: and ten years at Faith Assembly who probably otherwise would

516
00:31:29,560 --> 00:31:32,920
Speaker 1: have lived had they sought medical treatment as well as

517
00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:35,960
Speaker 1: as faith healing. Yeah. And this this is where it

518
00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:41,800
Speaker 1: can overlap with Christian science. Um, they don't believe that

519
00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:47,200
Speaker 1: medical science is uh. They issue medical science and medical

520
00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:52,600
Speaker 1: um assistance right. UM. I guess depending on there may

521
00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:55,200
Speaker 1: be a range. I don't know if I'm not. I

522
00:31:55,240 --> 00:31:57,720
Speaker 1: don't know any Christian scientists, so I don't know if

523
00:31:57,760 --> 00:32:00,200
Speaker 1: some of them are if they're a hardline there's and

524
00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:02,000
Speaker 1: other people that are like, no, well we will take

525
00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:05,720
Speaker 1: a little medicine for this and that. But ostensibly Christian

526
00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:08,920
Speaker 1: scientists don't believe in medical intervention. UH. So there is

527
00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:13,320
Speaker 1: some overlap there, but it's uh what they will say

528
00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:16,840
Speaker 1: if someone dies, even a child. Is it's either God's

529
00:32:16,840 --> 00:32:19,120
Speaker 1: will or in the case of faith healing, if it

530
00:32:19,120 --> 00:32:22,440
Speaker 1: doesn't work, they will say that they didn't truly believe

531
00:32:22,760 --> 00:32:25,080
Speaker 1: they would have truly They put the vain the blame

532
00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:30,160
Speaker 1: back on the sick person and say, if you didn't, uh,

533
00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:32,640
Speaker 1: if you didn't get healed by my hand, then that

534
00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:35,360
Speaker 1: means you didn't truly believe in that you aren't devout,

535
00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:39,080
Speaker 1: which is it's that's one thing if like you're a

536
00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:41,680
Speaker 1: true believer faith healer, but if you're a con man,

537
00:32:42,320 --> 00:32:44,200
Speaker 1: and that's how you're getting out of it is saying

538
00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:46,840
Speaker 1: you don't have enough faith. What a crippling thing to

539
00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:49,000
Speaker 1: do to some a person of faith. You know how

540
00:32:49,040 --> 00:32:53,160
Speaker 1: despicable is that? Well? I think it was, um Benny

541
00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:57,240
Speaker 1: hens Uh was it Benny Hinder pop Off, one of

542
00:32:57,280 --> 00:33:01,120
Speaker 1: them's nephew. I read an article by him, and he's

543
00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:04,880
Speaker 1: still very much a devout Christian, but he saw the light.

544
00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:06,400
Speaker 1: He was a catcher for a while and to catch

545
00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:09,200
Speaker 1: the people on stage and he was like, it wasn't

546
00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:12,600
Speaker 1: until I met my wife, uh, and she couldn't speak

547
00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:14,920
Speaker 1: in tongues and everyone was like, you gotta you can't

548
00:33:14,920 --> 00:33:18,640
Speaker 1: marry her. She started opening his eyes too. I guess

549
00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:22,880
Speaker 1: the um the other competing Christianity, which says, you don't

550
00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:27,320
Speaker 1: speak in tongues, you don't um faith heal and he

551
00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:30,760
Speaker 1: has put all that behind him and said that, I

552
00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:34,120
Speaker 1: mean he feels guilt now for this lavish lifestyle. I mean,

553
00:33:34,120 --> 00:33:36,640
Speaker 1: that's the other part of this prosperity thing is they

554
00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:38,680
Speaker 1: believe that God has is blessing them with all these

555
00:33:38,760 --> 00:33:43,400
Speaker 1: riches and these Italian villas and the fleet of Mercedes

556
00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:46,320
Speaker 1: in the driveway and the helicopter, and that it's all

557
00:33:46,360 --> 00:33:49,080
Speaker 1: God's will. But he had a big, big problem with

558
00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:51,880
Speaker 1: the fact that they would then in turn blame the

559
00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:55,680
Speaker 1: people who didn't get healed because they weren't devout. It's

560
00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:58,440
Speaker 1: really sad. Yeah, it is sad. So there's a few

561
00:33:58,520 --> 00:34:01,200
Speaker 1: there's a few really bad nag get of outcomes from this.

562
00:34:01,280 --> 00:34:04,960
Speaker 1: One is you might die because you aren't going to

563
00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:07,680
Speaker 1: seek medical treatment. And even if you're going to a

564
00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:11,080
Speaker 1: faith healer and you're not say like a Christian science adherent,

565
00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:14,440
Speaker 1: but you you are a true believer in faith healing.

566
00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:17,080
Speaker 1: If you go to a faith healer and they're like,

567
00:34:17,120 --> 00:34:19,719
Speaker 1: we I just cured your cancer, you might be like, well,

568
00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:22,120
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna go spend any more money on co

569
00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:24,719
Speaker 1: pays for any follow up stuff. I'll just go home.

570
00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:28,000
Speaker 1: I don't like going to the hospital. I hate chemotherapy.

571
00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:31,840
Speaker 1: And then if that treatment was keeping you alive or

572
00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:35,920
Speaker 1: prolonging your life, um, you might die from because you

573
00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:38,480
Speaker 1: believe that the faith healer has healed you. Another one

574
00:34:38,520 --> 00:34:41,960
Speaker 1: is that like you're you're losing money. If this stuff

575
00:34:42,239 --> 00:34:48,640
Speaker 1: really actually doesn't work, then you're just throwing your money away,

576
00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:51,600
Speaker 1: or put a different way, it's being conned out of you.

577
00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:55,120
Speaker 1: That's another negative outcome of it. Um. And then yes,

578
00:34:55,160 --> 00:34:58,120
Speaker 1: the injuries like Catherine Coleman and the woman with the

579
00:34:58,160 --> 00:35:02,080
Speaker 1: spinal cancer whose spine color lapsed. Should we take a break?

580
00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:04,160
Speaker 1: I think so? Man, all right, we're gonna take a

581
00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:05,960
Speaker 1: break and come back and talk a little bit about

582
00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:09,400
Speaker 1: psychic surgery and a bit more on Christian science right

583
00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:43,319
Speaker 1: after this. Alright, So psychic surgery is something that we

584
00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:48,080
Speaker 1: have not mentioned yet. Uh. This is uh. I guess

585
00:35:48,080 --> 00:35:50,000
Speaker 1: it's a kind of faith healing. But um, if you

586
00:35:50,080 --> 00:35:52,440
Speaker 1: ever saw or if you know anything about Andy Kaufman,

587
00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:54,120
Speaker 1: or saw the movie Man on the Moon with Jim

588
00:35:54,160 --> 00:35:58,279
Speaker 1: Carey as Andy Kaufman. You remember the scene where or

589
00:35:58,920 --> 00:36:00,840
Speaker 1: if you grew up in the seven and eighties, you

590
00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:04,000
Speaker 1: remember seeing this stuff on like sixty Minutes or PBS.

591
00:36:04,719 --> 00:36:07,640
Speaker 1: It seems like it was a big thing. Then. Uh,

592
00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:13,960
Speaker 1: these psychic surgeons will um use their hands. Um. Most

593
00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:15,920
Speaker 1: of the time it's on your like your your belly,

594
00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:18,399
Speaker 1: and you'll lay you down with your shirt off, and

595
00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:23,040
Speaker 1: it looks like they are reaching into your body with

596
00:36:23,120 --> 00:36:28,759
Speaker 1: their hands and pulling out organs or tumors or something, right,

597
00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:35,799
Speaker 1: pulling out some sort of fleshy, meaty product. Right. So

598
00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:38,480
Speaker 1: what's really going on with psychic surgeons is it is

599
00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:42,960
Speaker 1: a complete fraud. They are masters of slight of hand

600
00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:46,640
Speaker 1: and they are covering up um. If you've seen the video,

601
00:36:46,680 --> 00:36:49,480
Speaker 1: they're always covering up what they're doing with the other hand.

602
00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:51,759
Speaker 1: And they have blood packets in their hand, and they

603
00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:54,800
Speaker 1: have like chicken gizzards or something tucked away that you

604
00:36:54,840 --> 00:36:58,640
Speaker 1: don't see. And it's just a big slight of hand

605
00:36:58,719 --> 00:37:01,520
Speaker 1: magic show. And in the Man in the Moon movie,

606
00:37:01,560 --> 00:37:04,040
Speaker 1: it was very sad because Andy Kaufman was kind of

607
00:37:04,040 --> 00:37:06,440
Speaker 1: at his wits end. I was trying to heal him,

608
00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:09,120
Speaker 1: you know, get healed of cancer medically, and he took

609
00:37:09,120 --> 00:37:13,520
Speaker 1: a chance traveled to where Philippines was at the Philippines,

610
00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:18,320
Speaker 1: and Um, I saw the guy palming the chicken gizzards

611
00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:20,760
Speaker 1: knew it was a fake. This is a very sad

612
00:37:20,840 --> 00:37:23,480
Speaker 1: moment in his life and in that movie. So I wondered.

613
00:37:23,600 --> 00:37:26,440
Speaker 1: I remembered that being the case in that movie too.

614
00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:31,240
Speaker 1: But I had read like an account of his experience there,

615
00:37:31,719 --> 00:37:34,920
Speaker 1: and from what I could gather, he he left for

616
00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:39,719
Speaker 1: the Philippines feeling like the psychic surgery had worked. That

617
00:37:39,760 --> 00:37:44,160
Speaker 1: the movie contrived or inserted that part. Yeah, because he

618
00:37:44,239 --> 00:37:47,240
Speaker 1: spent I think six weeks over there getting almost daily

619
00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:50,520
Speaker 1: psychic surgery, and he apparently improved. He started to gain

620
00:37:50,600 --> 00:37:53,360
Speaker 1: some weight as spirits improved, so much so that he

621
00:37:53,520 --> 00:37:57,279
Speaker 1: left the Philippines expecting to heal. But when he went

622
00:37:57,320 --> 00:38:00,120
Speaker 1: back to the United States, he died pretty quickly after that.

623
00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:02,279
Speaker 1: It was pretty sad in the movie at least. Yeah,

624
00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:04,680
Speaker 1: it really was, because he starts laughing at like the

625
00:38:04,680 --> 00:38:08,200
Speaker 1: whole cosmic joke of the whole thing. Yeah, so, I mean,

626
00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:10,520
Speaker 1: what can happen if some of these people maybe he

627
00:38:10,520 --> 00:38:16,040
Speaker 1: did feel better. Uh, sometimes people do kick cancer. Um,

628
00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:19,239
Speaker 1: and they will say it's because of the either intercessory prayer,

629
00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:22,640
Speaker 1: the faith healing or both. Um. What skeptics will say

630
00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:28,480
Speaker 1: is no, sometimes people heal from cancer. You know I do.

631
00:38:28,719 --> 00:38:32,000
Speaker 1: Here's the thing that chuck. This is where science has

632
00:38:32,120 --> 00:38:38,000
Speaker 1: kind of fallen down and allowed faith heeling to continue

633
00:38:38,080 --> 00:38:45,120
Speaker 1: on basically unabated. They they don't have in science doesn't

634
00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:51,000
Speaker 1: understand why some cancer spontaneously remits. They just don't. They

635
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Speaker 1: They know that some types of cancer are more likely

636
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Speaker 1: to undergo spontaneous remission. They also suspect that people may

637
00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:04,000
Speaker 1: actually developed cancer and their body might overcome it and

638
00:39:04,040 --> 00:39:06,879
Speaker 1: they will go their whole lives without realizing that they

639
00:39:06,920 --> 00:39:10,040
Speaker 1: ever had cancer at some point, but they don't understand

640
00:39:10,080 --> 00:39:13,319
Speaker 1: the mechanisms behind it. Where I feel like science has

641
00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:21,520
Speaker 1: fallen down is this misunderstood. Frankly, faith based explanation has

642
00:39:21,560 --> 00:39:25,000
Speaker 1: been has been used to replace another faith based explanation,

643
00:39:25,040 --> 00:39:28,800
Speaker 1: which is that the Holy Spirit healed these people. They're saying, no,

644
00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:31,600
Speaker 1: it's spontaneous remission. Well what is that? Well, we don't

645
00:39:31,600 --> 00:39:34,440
Speaker 1: really know, but it's not the Holy Spirit. And I

646
00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:37,600
Speaker 1: feel like that's that's just that that doesn't fly at all.

647
00:39:37,719 --> 00:39:41,799
Speaker 1: And for people who believe in in faith healing when

648
00:39:41,800 --> 00:39:44,520
Speaker 1: they hear spontaneous remission and they ask, well, you know,

649
00:39:44,560 --> 00:39:46,880
Speaker 1: how does that work? And science as we don't know,

650
00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:49,680
Speaker 1: but just trust us. That's what it is. That's not

651
00:39:49,719 --> 00:39:52,560
Speaker 1: going to change anybody's view if you're a true believer

652
00:39:52,640 --> 00:39:56,080
Speaker 1: in this kind of thing. Yeah. And it also points

653
00:39:56,080 --> 00:39:57,520
Speaker 1: out that some of this could be due to the

654
00:39:57,600 --> 00:40:00,960
Speaker 1: placebo effect, which can remember which show, but we've talked

655
00:40:00,960 --> 00:40:03,680
Speaker 1: about that before. For sure, we did a placebo effect show.

656
00:40:04,200 --> 00:40:08,080
Speaker 1: It was probably that one. Uh. And that's of course

657
00:40:08,080 --> 00:40:11,680
Speaker 1: when fake treatments, uh, it seem like they have actual

658
00:40:11,719 --> 00:40:15,239
Speaker 1: positive effects for the patient. Um. So some of that

659
00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:17,920
Speaker 1: could be this. Some of it could be they have

660
00:40:18,440 --> 00:40:21,839
Speaker 1: comfort therefore reduced anxiety, and it has been shown when

661
00:40:21,880 --> 00:40:26,799
Speaker 1: you have reduced anxiety and stress, then that can um,

662
00:40:26,840 --> 00:40:30,080
Speaker 1: that can help your your case medically. Um. Which is

663
00:40:30,120 --> 00:40:33,320
Speaker 1: also actually I think why that first study you talked about,

664
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Speaker 1: UM with the bad outcome didn't wasn't one of the

665
00:40:37,360 --> 00:40:41,440
Speaker 1: explanations possibly that people it increased their anxiety. Yeah, like

666
00:40:41,520 --> 00:40:44,200
Speaker 1: they gave them performance anxiety, Like they didn't want to

667
00:40:44,280 --> 00:40:46,879
Speaker 1: let the people who were praying for them down right,

668
00:40:47,280 --> 00:40:50,600
Speaker 1: or let God down. So they actually became anxious, which

669
00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:55,800
Speaker 1: in turn created negative outcomes or complications from the surgery,

670
00:40:55,920 --> 00:40:58,360
Speaker 1: Which is just someone surmising what that could mean, that

671
00:40:58,400 --> 00:41:01,680
Speaker 1: outcome could mean. Right again again. So like if if,

672
00:41:01,719 --> 00:41:07,320
Speaker 1: if science is taking it upon itself to two challenge

673
00:41:07,640 --> 00:41:10,680
Speaker 1: faith healing, I don't think it's doing a very good

674
00:41:10,719 --> 00:41:13,040
Speaker 1: job right now because the polace Evo effect that's not

675
00:41:13,120 --> 00:41:17,160
Speaker 1: explained very well either. Um, the idea that anxiety can

676
00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:20,160
Speaker 1: can lead to negative outcomes. These are things that it's like, yes, science,

677
00:41:20,200 --> 00:41:24,920
Speaker 1: you're on the right track. Keep going. Don't just stop there.

678
00:41:25,440 --> 00:41:27,839
Speaker 1: I hope not. I don't think so. But you do

679
00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:30,440
Speaker 1: get the impression that if you ask a scientist about

680
00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:33,960
Speaker 1: faith healing, they just throw out, well that that holy

681
00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:37,680
Speaker 1: spirit thing, that's just mass illusion. There's spontaneous remission of cancer,

682
00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:40,040
Speaker 1: so just leave it at that and you get a

683
00:41:40,040 --> 00:41:42,520
Speaker 1: little pat on the head. I just don't think that works.

684
00:41:42,560 --> 00:41:45,000
Speaker 1: So who knows, Maybe twenty years down the road, when

685
00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:48,560
Speaker 1: we understand spontaneous remission, we can say no, you were

686
00:41:48,600 --> 00:41:51,560
Speaker 1: not healed. This is what your body did. I think

687
00:41:51,600 --> 00:41:54,280
Speaker 1: in that case, then the people say, well, yeah, God

688
00:41:54,320 --> 00:41:56,640
Speaker 1: made my body do that through the faith healer. I

689
00:41:56,640 --> 00:41:59,239
Speaker 1: don't think it's ever going to end well. Yeah, and

690
00:41:59,239 --> 00:42:02,520
Speaker 1: there's also the ace that um, the Peter pop Offs

691
00:42:02,520 --> 00:42:06,120
Speaker 1: of the world selling are sorry, not selling taking donations

692
00:42:06,160 --> 00:42:10,200
Speaker 1: for Holy spring water. Um. At one point I think

693
00:42:10,200 --> 00:42:13,640
Speaker 1: he was a an actual company. And then of course

694
00:42:13,640 --> 00:42:16,480
Speaker 1: the government starts poking around the books and fraud claims,

695
00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:20,000
Speaker 1: and then he re registers as a as a religious

696
00:42:20,080 --> 00:42:24,279
Speaker 1: group and their religious protections in this country and exemptions

697
00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:27,879
Speaker 1: from the i r S such that they can get

698
00:42:27,880 --> 00:42:29,480
Speaker 1: away with some of the stuff. They don't have to

699
00:42:29,520 --> 00:42:33,839
Speaker 1: show their books. It's tricky. Speaking of laws as well

700
00:42:33,920 --> 00:42:37,120
Speaker 1: to um the the there are laws on the books

701
00:42:37,160 --> 00:42:40,520
Speaker 1: that protect religious groups and I think like nine states

702
00:42:41,360 --> 00:42:50,320
Speaker 1: from criminal negligent manslaughter, homicide charges for withholding um, withholding

703
00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:55,239
Speaker 1: medical care from children. Yeah. It's weirdly. Just came up

704
00:42:55,280 --> 00:42:59,160
Speaker 1: today actually in real time as we record today in

705
00:42:59,200 --> 00:43:01,640
Speaker 1: the news. Did you see that in Idaho? I didn't.

706
00:43:02,560 --> 00:43:05,279
Speaker 1: The article is called an Idaho and Idaho medical care

707
00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:08,319
Speaker 1: exemptions for faith healing come under fire. Uh. And this

708
00:43:08,400 --> 00:43:11,640
Speaker 1: was breaking news like three hours ago. Uh. There's a

709
00:43:11,719 --> 00:43:15,960
Speaker 1: cemetery in Boise called Peaceful Valley Cemetery, six hundred grave

710
00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:19,600
Speaker 1: sites and nearly a third of them are children. And

711
00:43:19,680 --> 00:43:24,440
Speaker 1: while it's impossible to tell how many UM died because

712
00:43:24,480 --> 00:43:28,879
Speaker 1: of UM negligent parents, uh, they think that a great

713
00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:33,000
Speaker 1: many of them did. They've tried together corner reports, autopsy reports,

714
00:43:33,480 --> 00:43:38,600
Speaker 1: UM advocates have tried to do this, uh, but basically, UH,

715
00:43:38,640 --> 00:43:42,040
Speaker 1: they estimate that a hundred and eighty three Idaho children

716
00:43:42,520 --> 00:43:47,040
Speaker 1: have died since the nineteen seventies because of parents withholding

717
00:43:47,040 --> 00:43:53,040
Speaker 1: medical treatment. And I think they lead the nation in UM, yes,

718
00:43:53,080 --> 00:43:55,920
Speaker 1: as more children die of faith based medical neglect in

719
00:43:56,000 --> 00:43:59,000
Speaker 1: Idaho than any other state. And so they had a

720
00:43:59,080 --> 00:44:03,000
Speaker 1: rally I think today where they had UM hundred and

721
00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:07,759
Speaker 1: eighty three child's eyes caskets delivered I think to the

722
00:44:08,239 --> 00:44:12,280
Speaker 1: capital steps and Boise, and they're calling on reform and saying,

723
00:44:12,840 --> 00:44:16,799
Speaker 1: you know, you can't do this anymore. Like I know

724
00:44:16,880 --> 00:44:21,560
Speaker 1: that parents like these children's can't advocate children's. These children

725
00:44:21,600 --> 00:44:25,640
Speaker 1: can't advocate for themselves, so it's up to the parents

726
00:44:26,280 --> 00:44:29,120
Speaker 1: to make sure that they get medical treatment if they

727
00:44:29,120 --> 00:44:32,720
Speaker 1: need it. And and again though these parents will literally

728
00:44:32,719 --> 00:44:36,040
Speaker 1: watch their kid die and say it was God's will right,

729
00:44:36,120 --> 00:44:39,480
Speaker 1: And I mean like this, this country was founded on

730
00:44:39,560 --> 00:44:43,000
Speaker 1: religious liberty, so there's just such a sticky situation where

731
00:44:43,000 --> 00:44:46,680
Speaker 1: it's like, like, we have the technology to save your

732
00:44:46,760 --> 00:44:50,280
Speaker 1: child and you're not letting us do it. And in Idaho,

733
00:44:50,600 --> 00:44:52,839
Speaker 1: like you said, is the state that leads that. Other

734
00:44:52,920 --> 00:44:55,880
Speaker 1: states don't have anything like that any and haven't for

735
00:44:55,920 --> 00:45:00,239
Speaker 1: a long time. Some have loopholes that allow that, but

736
00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:05,120
Speaker 1: say like, if if this happens to multiple children of yours,

737
00:45:05,160 --> 00:45:08,040
Speaker 1: like your you've let more than one kid die as

738
00:45:08,080 --> 00:45:11,040
Speaker 1: God's will, We're gonna actually come after you. And then

739
00:45:11,040 --> 00:45:13,560
Speaker 1: other states, I think, like Florida and I can't remember

740
00:45:13,600 --> 00:45:17,799
Speaker 1: the other state basically say yes, we're you're you're we're

741
00:45:17,800 --> 00:45:21,919
Speaker 1: not going to criminally charge parents who withhold medical care,

742
00:45:22,200 --> 00:45:24,800
Speaker 1: but the court can still come in and be like, uh, sorry,

743
00:45:24,840 --> 00:45:27,160
Speaker 1: t Ys, your kid is getting this life saving medical

744
00:45:27,200 --> 00:45:29,800
Speaker 1: care whether you like it or not. Well, apparently everything

745
00:45:29,880 --> 00:45:33,160
Speaker 1: changed in nineteen seventy four. That was um the Federal

746
00:45:33,239 --> 00:45:36,279
Speaker 1: Child Abuse Prevention and Treatment Act, and at the time,

747
00:45:36,320 --> 00:45:41,240
Speaker 1: the Department of HHS interpreted that to say that states

748
00:45:41,320 --> 00:45:44,799
Speaker 1: must implement faith healing exclusions, and so in order to

749
00:45:44,840 --> 00:45:48,560
Speaker 1: get uh federal funding, a lot of the states passed

750
00:45:48,640 --> 00:45:52,239
Speaker 1: these faith healing exemptions so they could get funding, and

751
00:45:52,320 --> 00:45:54,799
Speaker 1: later on the Department said, you know what we were

752
00:45:54,800 --> 00:45:57,880
Speaker 1: send that interpretation. That's not what we meant. But it

753
00:45:58,000 --> 00:46:00,480
Speaker 1: was too late at that point. Yeah, And and I

754
00:46:00,520 --> 00:46:02,840
Speaker 1: think it was two thousand three was when they finally

755
00:46:02,840 --> 00:46:06,279
Speaker 1: rescinded it. But and so all of these these exemptions

756
00:46:06,280 --> 00:46:09,719
Speaker 1: are relics from two thousand three at the latest, I

757
00:46:09,719 --> 00:46:11,800
Speaker 1: think of the nineties, a lot of them were removed

758
00:46:11,840 --> 00:46:14,840
Speaker 1: to So I have a feeling that's not gonna be

759
00:46:14,880 --> 00:46:17,480
Speaker 1: around for much longer. They'll probably be like one state

760
00:46:17,560 --> 00:46:20,600
Speaker 1: that's like the holdout state, and I'll be surprised if

761
00:46:20,600 --> 00:46:22,719
Speaker 1: it's not Idaho. But I don't think there's gonna be

762
00:46:22,719 --> 00:46:24,920
Speaker 1: too many states with it around ten years from now

763
00:46:24,960 --> 00:46:27,800
Speaker 1: or five years from now. I watched a lot of

764
00:46:27,840 --> 00:46:31,560
Speaker 1: YouTube today, by the way, Yeah, yeah, I used to

765
00:46:31,560 --> 00:46:35,080
Speaker 1: We used to watch. We used to watch in college.

766
00:46:35,320 --> 00:46:37,200
Speaker 1: We would go to my friend Clay's house and he

767
00:46:37,280 --> 00:46:41,920
Speaker 1: had VHS tapes of faith Healers and uh Peter pop

768
00:46:41,920 --> 00:46:44,720
Speaker 1: Off for sure. And then although he wouldn't have Faith Healer,

769
00:46:44,800 --> 00:46:48,160
Speaker 1: did you ever watch uh Robert Tilton? No, the name

770
00:46:48,239 --> 00:46:53,960
Speaker 1: sounds familiar. You've probably seen the fart compilation. He was

771
00:46:54,400 --> 00:46:57,759
Speaker 1: a televangelist in the eighties. He's still around, I think,

772
00:46:57,800 --> 00:46:59,799
Speaker 1: but I think he might have been one of us

773
00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:02,360
Speaker 1: went broken then cut rich again. But he was a

774
00:47:02,360 --> 00:47:05,280
Speaker 1: televangelis in the eighties that had this great, great show,

775
00:47:06,120 --> 00:47:11,120
Speaker 1: um something power. I can't remember what it was called.

776
00:47:11,160 --> 00:47:18,640
Speaker 1: But no, we're talking about I know exactly what you mean.

777
00:47:18,800 --> 00:47:20,960
Speaker 1: You'd probably recognize this guy. But Clay had a bunch

778
00:47:21,000 --> 00:47:22,600
Speaker 1: of these dubbed and we would we would sit around

779
00:47:22,640 --> 00:47:25,440
Speaker 1: late at night and watch Bob Tilton speaking tongues and

780
00:47:25,480 --> 00:47:28,000
Speaker 1: stuff on his show. And he was I watched his

781
00:47:28,040 --> 00:47:30,480
Speaker 1: bunch today. It took a stroll dumb memory lane. Yeah,

782
00:47:30,960 --> 00:47:33,920
Speaker 1: it's really funny to watch Bob Tilton, I will say, so,

783
00:47:33,960 --> 00:47:35,799
Speaker 1: what do you mean the fart accomplishing as he fared

784
00:47:35,800 --> 00:47:37,759
Speaker 1: a lot as well. No, years later someone did a

785
00:47:38,040 --> 00:47:41,080
Speaker 1: He would make all these funny faces and herkey dierky movements,

786
00:47:41,120 --> 00:47:44,319
Speaker 1: and of course someone later on dubbed in farts every

787
00:47:44,320 --> 00:47:46,680
Speaker 1: time he closed his eyes real tight or made a

788
00:47:46,680 --> 00:47:50,000
Speaker 1: funny move, And it's that's funny to watch. But it's

789
00:47:50,000 --> 00:47:53,080
Speaker 1: also funny just to watch Bob Tilton because he is

790
00:47:53,160 --> 00:47:58,960
Speaker 1: like it's entertainment. It was hysterical but you know, people

791
00:47:58,960 --> 00:48:01,759
Speaker 1: would write him big X and go broke and not

792
00:48:01,800 --> 00:48:03,680
Speaker 1: be able to pay their mortgages because they're sending him

793
00:48:03,680 --> 00:48:07,440
Speaker 1: money because they His whole deal was the prosperity thing,

794
00:48:07,560 --> 00:48:10,279
Speaker 1: like you you will get rich if you if you

795
00:48:10,320 --> 00:48:12,160
Speaker 1: send your money, it will come back tenfold. That kind

796
00:48:12,160 --> 00:48:14,560
Speaker 1: of deal. Yeah, we definitely have to do an episode

797
00:48:14,600 --> 00:48:19,000
Speaker 1: just on that. Back in the day, real quick, did

798
00:48:19,040 --> 00:48:22,920
Speaker 1: you um, did you ever watch Cartoon Network when Adult

799
00:48:22,960 --> 00:48:27,400
Speaker 1: Swim was just like an hour long block at night? Yeah? Sometimes,

800
00:48:27,440 --> 00:48:29,560
Speaker 1: so there was like Space Ghost Coast to Coast was

801
00:48:29,600 --> 00:48:32,239
Speaker 1: like I think their first show. Yeah, our friend Dave

802
00:48:32,239 --> 00:48:35,400
Speaker 1: Wallis was one of the creators right before Space Goest

803
00:48:35,400 --> 00:48:37,960
Speaker 1: Coast to Coast. They kind of dipped their toe in

804
00:48:38,040 --> 00:48:43,040
Speaker 1: it where they would run old Space Ghost um cartoons

805
00:48:43,600 --> 00:48:47,560
Speaker 1: just normal, but they would dub in like inappropriate laugh tracks,

806
00:48:48,480 --> 00:48:51,319
Speaker 1: and it made it like one of the most bizarrely

807
00:48:51,360 --> 00:48:54,880
Speaker 1: funny things you've ever seen. Like somebody would just deliver

808
00:48:54,960 --> 00:48:58,279
Speaker 1: a line that was maybe mildly like like n S

809
00:48:58,600 --> 00:49:02,480
Speaker 1: Space Ghost costoon fun, but then like the crowd in

810
00:49:02,560 --> 00:49:05,000
Speaker 1: this the studio audience would just start laughing. It was.

811
00:49:05,120 --> 00:49:08,560
Speaker 1: It was great stuff. Well, I just love that I'm

812
00:49:08,680 --> 00:49:11,560
Speaker 1: like almost forty seven years old, and I have put

813
00:49:11,560 --> 00:49:15,320
Speaker 1: myself out there in public as a learned, researched man,

814
00:49:15,840 --> 00:49:19,040
Speaker 1: and there's nothing funnier to me than uh, Bob Tilton

815
00:49:19,120 --> 00:49:24,040
Speaker 1: part compilation. Nice. Hey, what's funny? It is funny? That's right. Well,

816
00:49:24,080 --> 00:49:26,320
Speaker 1: if you want to know more about faith heeling, Um,

817
00:49:26,440 --> 00:49:28,439
Speaker 1: I don't know, like, go on to YouTube, maybe goes

818
00:49:28,520 --> 00:49:32,400
Speaker 1: check one out yourself. Who knows? Who knows what will happen? Uh?

819
00:49:32,440 --> 00:49:34,879
Speaker 1: And since I said who knows what will happen, it's

820
00:49:34,880 --> 00:49:39,480
Speaker 1: time for listener, ma'am. I'm gonna call this using us

821
00:49:39,480 --> 00:49:41,319
Speaker 1: in the classroom. We've got a few of these lately,

822
00:49:42,239 --> 00:49:45,080
Speaker 1: which always makes us happy. Hey, guys, big fan recently

823
00:49:45,080 --> 00:49:47,319
Speaker 1: saw you in San Francisco. It's sketch Fest and it

824
00:49:47,400 --> 00:49:50,040
Speaker 1: was even better than what I've been hoping for. Uh.

825
00:49:50,080 --> 00:49:51,839
Speaker 1: And by the way, I want to point out to people,

826
00:49:51,880 --> 00:49:55,480
Speaker 1: when you come see us live, it is better than this. Yeah,

827
00:49:55,520 --> 00:49:59,359
Speaker 1: you get a free dumb dumb sucker just for coming. Well,

828
00:49:59,400 --> 00:50:02,680
Speaker 1: they're funnier, they're more fun, they're funnier shows. Uh. You

829
00:50:02,719 --> 00:50:05,520
Speaker 1: get to hear say dirty words here and there. Um,

830
00:50:05,800 --> 00:50:07,840
Speaker 1: we drink a hundred percent more than we do in

831
00:50:07,880 --> 00:50:11,600
Speaker 1: the studio. That's true. Anyway, he went to to San Francisco.

832
00:50:11,840 --> 00:50:13,880
Speaker 1: Reason I'm writing is that I'm an eighth grade English teacher.

833
00:50:14,440 --> 00:50:16,320
Speaker 1: My class has been reading about Harriet Tubman for the

834
00:50:16,360 --> 00:50:18,799
Speaker 1: past few weeks. This morning, I woke up and saw

835
00:50:19,160 --> 00:50:20,840
Speaker 1: that you release an episode about her. I knew what

836
00:50:20,880 --> 00:50:22,879
Speaker 1: it was meant to be. It's part of my lesson plan.

837
00:50:23,200 --> 00:50:24,959
Speaker 1: It was a bit nervous with my morning class because

838
00:50:24,960 --> 00:50:28,600
Speaker 1: I hadn't listened to the episode yet, wondering if you

839
00:50:28,680 --> 00:50:31,520
Speaker 1: might go off on some weird tangent that my students

840
00:50:31,520 --> 00:50:34,399
Speaker 1: would be confused by. But you did an incredible job.

841
00:50:35,239 --> 00:50:37,799
Speaker 1: I feel like that one was pretty tangent free. It

842
00:50:37,880 --> 00:50:40,360
Speaker 1: really was we we Yeah, we stuck to the story.

843
00:50:40,440 --> 00:50:43,320
Speaker 1: We were both a little awe struck. That's right. Despite

844
00:50:43,320 --> 00:50:46,240
Speaker 1: all the distractions inherent and being a teenager, my students

845
00:50:46,239 --> 00:50:48,560
Speaker 1: were absorbed and entertained by your explanation of this amazing

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Speaker 1: Carter and Mr Carter's Class. Did you call him President

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Speaker 1: President Rob Carter. Really. Yeah, you just elected that gout

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Speaker 1: so maybe he'll get this guy like your president. He

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Speaker 1: can't wait for that. Amy simple McPherson role. I looked

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Speaker 1: She I would go with Amy Adams. She do good. Sure.

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Speaker 1: I think just about any actress working today, any of

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Speaker 1: There's some some pretty good actresses working today. Well, you

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Speaker 1: don't think so who shouldn't be, Josh, You do not

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Speaker 1: think any of the anyone it should be pretty good, right,

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Speaker 1: just you know, throw a dart. They're all talented. They

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Speaker 1: Blunt was in Cicaro, right, Yes, and then Amy Adams

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Speaker 1: good at it too, But I still go with Jennifer Lawrence.

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Speaker 1: Sounds like my dad. I feel like your dad right now? Hey, Well,

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