Speaker 1: Cool Zone Media.
Speaker 2: This is it could happen here. I'm Garrison Davis joined
Speaker 2: by Robert Evans. Last week, I released an episode on
Speaker 2: the ascent of white nationalist live streamer Nick Fuentes and
Speaker 2: his groper fans among particularly young gen Z Republicans. The
Speaker 2: episode also tracked the conservative infighting at Heritage Foundation and
Speaker 2: Ben Shapiro's Daily Wire in the aftermath of Tucker Carlson's
Speaker 2: Friendly sit Down interview with Nick Fuentes. In the episode,
Speaker 2: I mentioned that I had an extra segment covering the
Speaker 2: final section of the interview. Now, most coverage of this interview,
Speaker 2: including my episode last week, focused on like the first
Speaker 2: two thirds, which ranged from like Nick Fuentes's political background,
Speaker 2: early beef with Ben Shapiro and his like Nazisque anti
Speaker 2: Semitic theories of a quote unquote organized world jewelry corrupting America,
Speaker 2: which he now lightly couches in anti Israel framing to
Speaker 2: profit off of the genocide in Palestine. But the last
Speaker 2: third of the interview changes course to discuss the mechanisms
Speaker 2: of quote unquote reality distortion which are ruining young men, drugs, alcohol,
Speaker 2: the Internet, and most importantly, pornography. After receiving a universal
Speaker 2: response demanding the release of the porn cut. I have
Speaker 2: sat down with Robert here to finally, finally air what
Speaker 2: no other news platform is brave enough, brave enough to cover?
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, no, what new other news platform can legally
Speaker 3: cover because they have a duty to their employees to
Speaker 3: not make them research this stuff.
Speaker 2: Yeah, or like an actual healthy HR department.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we have not finished our classes on what we're
Speaker 3: not allowed to make people do. So said now, to
Speaker 3: be fair, Garrison couldn't be stopped from researching this.
Speaker 2: There was no way of stopping you from doing this.
Speaker 2: I have a sick drive.
Speaker 3: You would have started working for someone else, so we
Speaker 3: didn't let you do this.
Speaker 2: Now, if if Sophie told me I wasn't allowed to
Speaker 2: cover this, I would have quit immediately.
Speaker 3: Yeah, started working for Wired or someone.
Speaker 2: So now I am very pleased to present to you
Speaker 2: probably thirty thirty minutes of Nick foint As explaining to
Speaker 2: a performatively confused Tucker Carlson the concept of pornography. And
Speaker 2: I guess if we're gonna view you know, Fuenttes and
Speaker 2: the gropers as like a serious, legitimate threat that's able
Speaker 2: to sway national political discourse. I think it's also important
Speaker 2: to cover his weird sexual politics, just as explaining the
Speaker 2: weird sexual practices of like, you know, the Proud Boys
Speaker 2: is important for understanding their whole deal as like a
Speaker 2: neo fascist streak gang, the kind of closeted gay in
Speaker 2: cell women. The issues of the gropers is actually really important,
Speaker 2: especially for Nick, and let's discuss that. But thankfully we
Speaker 2: get to start off with the majority majority of the section,
Speaker 2: which is which is on pornography. Let's start one of
Speaker 2: the first clips.
Speaker 4: What is porn exactly? Like, describe how available is porn?
Speaker 5: What is it?
Speaker 2: My god?
Speaker 3: Because he does ask that like a man who's legitimately
Speaker 3: never heard of pornography.
Speaker 2: He does. He later says like, obviously he is familiar
Speaker 2: with the rough concept of porn, uh huh, but maybe not,
Speaker 2: but maybe not this sort of internet porn obsession, to
Speaker 2: which Nick refers, let's let's skip ahead about a minute
Speaker 2: where where Nick kind of closes on his explanation of
Speaker 2: Internet porn specifically.
Speaker 1: So, something that is almost ever talked about is that
Speaker 1: this is a generation that's totally sexually dysfunctional, I think
Speaker 1: because of pornography and some people are able to cope
Speaker 1: with it. Some people don't have a problem, but I
Speaker 1: think a lot of people, and maybe the small minority,
Speaker 1: have a serious problem with it.
Speaker 5: And the problem people sexually dysfunctional.
Speaker 1: I think that it's impossible for a real woman to
Speaker 1: compete with the availability and the novelty of pornography.
Speaker 2: So that is that is Nick's kind of ending argument
Speaker 2: at the tail end of his definition of porn and
Speaker 2: how porn is affecting specifically American men. A little bit
Speaker 2: of his in cel status is obviously seeping through there.
Speaker 2: More of it will become increasingly evident throughout throughout this interview.
Speaker 2: But this idea of sexual dysfunction, how porn is ruining
Speaker 2: men's ability to get into relationships, is ruining the ability
Speaker 2: to get into marriages, lasting marriages, and it. He frames
Speaker 2: this kind of slightly as the fault of men, but
Speaker 2: also really as the fault of women. Women aren't able
Speaker 2: to compete with how much porn there is, the different
Speaker 2: categories of porn. How can one woman please a man
Speaker 2: when a man can go on to the internet and
Speaker 2: look up, you know, fifty different Niche fetishes that not
Speaker 2: one woman could provide. Yeah, and that's part of his
Speaker 2: argument at this point.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's always like been the Okay, so you've
Speaker 3: just you've never had a relationship.
Speaker 2: Which Nick is open about at least Nick claims that, right. Yeah,
Speaker 2: It's unclear how true a lot of Nick's claims are
Speaker 2: about his like in cell vall cell in voluntary celibate, Yeah,
Speaker 2: a type deal, But no Nick, Nick does claim that,
Speaker 2: and the sort of pushback Nick will receive later on
Speaker 2: in the interview on some of these aspects is actually
Speaker 2: way stronger than any of the world jewelry, anti semitic
Speaker 2: stuff from earlier in the interview. Yeah, which Carlson was
Speaker 2: vague actually kind of like trying to shape Nick quent
Speaker 2: as his rhetoric to make him like appeal to a
Speaker 2: bigger audience, but did not really push back on to
Speaker 2: the same extent he does on a Nick's like relationship
Speaker 2: with women. But the sexual dysfunction aspect, I think is
Speaker 2: the is the ending argument for Nick here in terms
Speaker 2: of what actually makes porn bad. He extrapolates on this
Speaker 2: point in this next section which I'll play Now.
Speaker 1: Porn is you could have one hundred different women in
Speaker 1: one sitting doing anything that whatever niche or idiosyncratic thing
Speaker 1: a person might be into. It's there, and so I
Speaker 1: think that novelty combined with that availability and makes it
Speaker 1: so that, you know, when you think about courting a woman,
Speaker 1: juice isn't worth the squeeze. So there's like also a
Speaker 1: problem of like a rectile dysfunction, people that can't enjoy
Speaker 1: regular sex because it does not compare to the intensity
Speaker 1: the novelty and the availability of porn. It's hyper stimulation.
Speaker 1: And so I think that's sabotaging a lot of normal
Speaker 1: sexual relationships. It seems like it's making a lot of
Speaker 1: people gay too, Yeah, and trans you think that's true?
Speaker 6: One?
Speaker 2: What is that?
Speaker 5: Oh my god, what is that?
Speaker 2: I don't even know where to start there.
Speaker 3: I mean, like it's it's what these people have always believed,
Speaker 3: right that, Like that's the There's got to be an explanation,
Speaker 3: some kind of cause why people like things that that
Speaker 3: they're not allowed to admit to liking in public. And
Speaker 3: it's got to be the fault of pornography, right, or
Speaker 3: libraries whatever.
Speaker 2: Every time Tucker interjects the beauty of his of his
Speaker 2: little like befuddled interjections, what is that? Is that real?
Speaker 2: Is that true. It's it's fantastic, but yeah, no, I
Speaker 2: mean Nick kind of blames the rise in homosexuality and
Speaker 2: transsexuality on this like novelty of pornography and this sexual desensitization.
Speaker 2: Like once regular porn it doesn't do it for people.
Speaker 2: They get pushed to more and more extreme categories, of
Speaker 2: which transporn is somehow particularly effective at like influencing and
Speaker 2: you know, manipulating human behavior. Right, this is like the
Speaker 2: sissy hypno theory that porn can like make somebody trans. Yeah,
Speaker 2: very goofy stuff. Specifically for Nick considering his curious catboy
Speaker 2: background and his alleged leak viewership of transporn, which might
Speaker 2: we might discuss later. I'm going to play play another
Speaker 2: clip kind of on this note, a shorter one.
Speaker 1: I think that if you are somebody that uses pornography
Speaker 1: multiple times per day, which many people do, actually, oh absolutely,
Speaker 1: that's a lot of druk.
Speaker 5: That's a huge problem.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a.
Speaker 3: Lot of cherking off.
Speaker 2: Former Fox News anchor Tucker.
Speaker 5: Car jerking off.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a lot of chirk it off. I so badly,
Speaker 2: I just wanted to cut some of these clips out
Speaker 2: of like out of contact, just put them in my
Speaker 2: other episode.
Speaker 3: Tucker only comes once a year, and he can only
Speaker 3: come by wrapping his dick inside of two frozen Swanson's meals.
Speaker 3: He's got to kind of use like, you know how
Speaker 3: it's got like there's a little diffits on the back end.
Speaker 3: He's got to use that to cushion his penis. It's
Speaker 3: the only way he can come.
Speaker 2: It's a fairly edipal thing with his you know, family business.
Speaker 2: This this sort of like psychosexual drive. Wow, the Swans
Speaker 2: of it all. Of course that makes sense for Yeah,
Speaker 2: that makes sense for Tucker. But Nonick says that porn
Speaker 2: like operates kind of like drug tolerance levels, which like
Speaker 2: over time after repetitive use, in order to get high,
Speaker 2: the user must seek out strong drugs or dangerously intense doses,
Speaker 2: of which he views transport. Is this like dangerous dose?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Yeah, because I do love like the the through line
Speaker 3: with these people that like both this is like a
Speaker 3: sickening degeneracy and also is so appealing that people absolutely
Speaker 3: cannot help themselves to it, like it affects them like heroin.
Speaker 3: It's it's it's so inherently attractive.
Speaker 2: I mean, so some of that might be their actual
Speaker 2: proclivities kind of yes, I think, kind of peeking out
Speaker 2: from under the surface there, because all of these guys
Speaker 2: love watching transport, all of these like anti trans people,
Speaker 2: whether it's Alex Jones or like Nick Fuentes, Like obviously
Speaker 2: they have they have an interest in that, and that's
Speaker 2: what kind of drives them of their obsession.
Speaker 3: Yeah, which is it's it's just weird, Like I don't
Speaker 3: know anyone who talks about any pornography that way, Like
Speaker 3: you know, every everyone's got whatever it is they're into,
Speaker 3: like something that they'll be particularly interested in, but no
Speaker 3: one describes as like it's just this kind of thing
Speaker 3: no one can resisted obviously.
Speaker 2: Sort of like powerful obsessive nature in which these types
Speaker 2: of right wing freaks like refer to it as the.
Speaker 3: Like actual perverts will say stuff like no, no, no,
Speaker 3: I've been shoving things inside my phole for the last
Speaker 3: twenty seven years and now I can get up to
Speaker 3: something the width of a mag light and I know
Speaker 3: that's crazy, Like I know no one else does that.
Speaker 5: That's just a me faith.
Speaker 3: Oh, someone needs to explain sounding to Tucker Carlson, is
Speaker 3: what I'm what I'm saying, Like I if, I if
Speaker 3: he interviews me, I'm gonna walk him through sounding I'm
Speaker 3: gonna use together a PowerPoint with photos.
Speaker 2: He's obviously he's obviously uh open open to this line
Speaker 2: of discussion. Are we allowed to have ads on this episode?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Probably not, but let's throw to him anyway.
Speaker 2: All right, we are we are. Nick Fuentes is gonna
Speaker 2: continue continue to describe pornography towards a slightly confused Tucker Carlston. Now,
Speaker 2: now Nick is able to really speak from a sense
Speaker 2: of authority as someone who claims to have never had sex,
Speaker 2: He's able to really speak with authority on this topic,
Speaker 2: which I will, I will. I'll play this next clip.
Speaker 1: And there's something too about what it does when you
Speaker 1: look at it, when you because people don't realize that
Speaker 1: it is a fundamentally different experience.
Speaker 2: People don't realize being.
Speaker 1: Involved in intercourse versus watching other people have intercourse.
Speaker 5: And I think that actually does something to you. Tell me,
Speaker 5: what do you mean?
Speaker 2: Sorry, I'm just stop there for a sec. People don't
Speaker 2: realize this amazing observation from alleged version in cell Nick Fuentes,
Speaker 2: He's trying to make this point about like body depersonalization
Speaker 2: or like disassociation when watching porns like this, like out
Speaker 2: of body experience because you start associating yourself with people
Speaker 2: on screen. That's eventually what he starts talking about, right,
Speaker 2: And but he couches this in saying that, like, people
Speaker 2: don't realize that this is what this is, you know,
Speaker 2: different from actual sex, which is really funny because Nick
Speaker 2: is proudly proclaims that he's never had sex before, so
Speaker 2: he is in no position to argue at this point.
Speaker 3: No, Yeah, that's the other thing. How would you know
Speaker 3: that it's inherently better than sex, Like.
Speaker 2: Because he's never had I think that he has to
Speaker 2: assume that because that's the only information he has. But
Speaker 2: I love his framing of this is like new novel
Speaker 2: information that no one else has access to, that no
Speaker 2: one realizes that watching port is different from having sex. Yeah,
Speaker 2: Tucker's response is just phenomenal at the end of this,
Speaker 2: because Tucker's like trying trying to coax more and more
Speaker 2: shit out of him. It's really the only time where
Speaker 2: he's kind of being a sly interviewer is at this
Speaker 2: ending porn section. It's not the it's not the are
Speaker 2: you a fed section. It's not the Daily Wires stuff,
Speaker 2: it's not the anti Semitism stuff, it's it's specifically the
Speaker 2: port section. But to explain this like out of body
Speaker 2: theory that Nick that Nick has here, Unfortunately, Nick gets
Speaker 2: into trying to explain the Blanchardian theory of trend sexuality
Speaker 2: towards towards Tucker Carlson, of which I will only play
Speaker 2: a certain segment of because we don't need to hear
Speaker 2: that whole thing. But there is a section of this
Speaker 2: next clip that which we'll get into that as well
Speaker 2: as take you on kind of a beautiful journey showcasing
Speaker 2: Tucker's objection to pornography.
Speaker 1: I think that you know, for example, I think Steve
Speaker 1: Sailor has written about this that there's multiple kinds of transsexuals,
Speaker 1: and he says a one kind of transsexual is somebody
Speaker 1: that likes the idea of seeing themselves as a woman's
Speaker 1: auto ginophilia. Yes, And I think that you know one
Speaker 1: of the theories for that is you you watch a
Speaker 1: man having sex with a woman that is in you
Speaker 1: so much, you kind of achieve an identity with the
Speaker 1: woman in like a worstic way. You almost identify with
Speaker 1: the woman, and so there's weird things that happen when
Speaker 1: you're watching that and having such strong emotional and sexual experiences.
Speaker 5: Interesting.
Speaker 2: Interesting, Nick, that's.
Speaker 5: Interesting stuff, Nick.
Speaker 4: I've always been I've sensed for a long time having
Speaker 4: had a lot of young male employees mentioned porn as
Speaker 4: a problem. I mean, the big porn companies give visibility
Speaker 4: to foreign intel services on the.
Speaker 5: Back foot, so that means people know what.
Speaker 4: You're looking at. There's likely video and audio of you watching.
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, there's so much I love that Tucker's made.
Speaker 2: Objection to photography isn't the stuff that Nick's talking about
Speaker 2: at all, but the idea that it poses a security
Speaker 2: risk because of foreign intel services.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that they're they're recording everyone masturbating.
Speaker 2: To blackmail every single person on the planet. And he
Speaker 2: couches us and saying that he's quote not a huge
Speaker 2: expert on the topic. Yeah, which is really good. But
Speaker 2: to go back a little bit, the level of projection
Speaker 2: Nick is doing here with this identifying as a woman
Speaker 2: in the in the porn thing is simply phenomenal. I mean,
Speaker 2: especially considering the whole you know, catboys scandal, which I
Speaker 2: covered on the show like years ago as when I
Speaker 2: was like a baby, as well as Nick's like alleged
Speaker 2: trans porn league, which I guess I'll explain to here briefly.
Speaker 2: This was in twenty twenty two. Nick allegedly was operating
Speaker 2: a SoC puppet Twitter account when he was banned on Twitter.
Speaker 2: This this account shared a clip scrolling through Nick Fuentes
Speaker 2: like analytics, like video analytics, like search of analytics, showing
Speaker 2: his popularity. And when scrolling through these various tabs, a
Speaker 2: little section of a tab that that didn't did not
Speaker 2: get into full view, but you get you saw the
Speaker 2: bottom of it which looked a lot like a very
Speaker 2: specific trans femboy porn video on porn hub. People found
Speaker 2: that video, and after they found the video, you know this,
Speaker 2: This this post with these analytics was like taken down
Speaker 2: and this account was believed to be operated by Nick Fuentez. Now,
Speaker 2: Nick claims that he obviously was not behind this account,
Speaker 2: that this was some like a groper fan who was
Speaker 2: trying to set him up for scandal by operating an
Speaker 2: account that appeared to be Nick's account on Twitter but
Speaker 2: actually wasn't. I Robert, I will show you a little
Speaker 2: bit of this analytics video we don't need to see
Speaker 2: the whole thing. But it's like this, okay, so various
Speaker 2: various tabs. Look, look at all these tabs. This various,
Speaker 2: Like when does Jake Lloyd explore what comparing his popularity
Speaker 2: towards other other like commentators.
Speaker 3: He was comparing his popularity to fucking Jake Lloyd from
Speaker 3: the Face.
Speaker 2: And Menace from the Phantom Menace.
Speaker 5: You should be beating him, Nick.
Speaker 2: But like web traffic analytics Joe Ken to Google trends
Speaker 2: and then let's see if I can find it right
Speaker 2: right here at the top. Yeah, right here at the top.
Speaker 2: Was scrolling through the tabs on the iPhone. Safari is
Speaker 2: a a little peorn tab, right yeah. So this this
Speaker 2: turned into a little, a little mini thing with people
Speaker 2: thinking that they secretly stumbled across the Knick's porn porn
Speaker 2: watching habits, of which it would be no surprise that
Speaker 2: he'd be watching transfenboy porn, especially again considering that he
Speaker 2: operated a catboy discord channel on his server. But he
Speaker 2: has staunchly denied this, as you know, as a based
Speaker 2: Catholic in cell obviously, so both Tucker and Nick believe
Speaker 2: that porn is a big factor affecting the decline of
Speaker 2: actual sex and marriage among gen Z. And it's not
Speaker 2: just a male problem. Nick argues that it has become
Speaker 2: a quote unquote so destigmatized for women to participate in
Speaker 2: porn as well, of which he's mostly referring to only fans.
Speaker 2: Here's a clip of them discuss it only fans.
Speaker 1: And it is completely casual, you know, because you could
Speaker 1: say that maybe ten years ago, even at the heyday
Speaker 1: of internet porn, to be in porn, you got to
Speaker 1: be a porn star, Like that's your life and that's
Speaker 1: your career, and that's who you are. And it's very
Speaker 1: shameful with only fans. It's like it's like having a TikTok.
Speaker 1: It's like here's my link tree, here's my Instagram account,
Speaker 1: here's my Facebook out, here's my YouTube, and here's.
Speaker 5: My only fans. Why would any of this be legal?
Speaker 1: I think that, well, there's, like you indicated, maybe there's
Speaker 1: an intelligence benefit to that. Yeah, maybe there's a political
Speaker 1: benefit to that. I think that, well, why wouldn't you
Speaker 1: arrest the people who run something like that? They should
Speaker 1: be if you had a Christian government, or how about
Speaker 1: government and cares about its people. I mean, is Iron
Speaker 1: a bigger threat or is only fans? A Ron's not
Speaker 1: turning my daughters to prostitution, I'm aware.
Speaker 2: Of right, Oh my god, is Iron a bigger threat
Speaker 2: or is only fans?
Speaker 5: Yes?
Speaker 3: Yes, that's the real geopolitical question the wisest minds.
Speaker 2: No, what a what a beautiful mind that is?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah, like even be able to think of the sentence.
Speaker 2: Is Iran a bigger threat than only fans?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Like I could never even get myself to a point
Speaker 2: where where I conjured that thought in my own head.
Speaker 3: We have to ban pornography because it's the Iran of masturbation.
Speaker 2: It's frankly beautiful in order to get their minds so
Speaker 2: so degraded to even have this thought, it's so alien,
Speaker 2: man like. Later, Tucker pushes kind of on this point
Speaker 2: about the need to arrest people who run only fans,
Speaker 2: while Nick kind of quietly remarks that it's it's really
Speaker 2: the women or the quote unquote body assets who should
Speaker 2: be arrested. But Tucker Tucker is pretty firm on no,
Speaker 2: it's really like the facilitators, people hosting the website or
Speaker 2: enabling this. But you know, Nick and Nick would be
Speaker 2: totally fine if women on the platform also get arrested.
Speaker 2: Man Ah. Again, the insistence that the primary objection or
Speaker 2: like a causal a causal aspect of why why is
Speaker 2: this allowed? It's for like intelligence gathering services is simply beautiful?
Speaker 2: Do you know what else is beautiful? Robert?
Speaker 3: The sponsors of this podcast, they are for putting up
Speaker 3: with this.
Speaker 6: Yeah, all right, we're back.
Speaker 2: Before this final segment, we will we will transcend the
Speaker 2: discussion of porn and and just talk more about some
Speaker 2: of Nick's opinions on on like women, oh good, and
Speaker 2: other factors beyond porn. For why you know, marriage is
Speaker 2: a happening? Why aren't people getting married as much anymore?
Speaker 2: You know, of which both Tucker and Nick think porn
Speaker 2: is a factor. But there's other factors contributing to this crisis,
Speaker 2: which Nick and Tucker will will elucidate. Let's hear him out.
Speaker 5: So what are the.
Speaker 4: Other factors that prevent I'm sorry I called you gay,
Speaker 4: by the way, but I'm always I think I'm just
Speaker 4: too old or something. I'm like, what, why is anyone married?
Speaker 4: You tell me why isn't Why an't people married?
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, honestly, it's the women, all right, oh, okay,
Speaker 1: we solve that problem.
Speaker 2: Uh, yeah, that's it. I think that does it for us,
Speaker 2: that it could happen here. They got to the bottom
Speaker 2: of that pretty quickly. Sorry I called you gay, by
Speaker 2: the way, So no. Now it's time for the wise
Speaker 2: in selsation, Nick Fuentes to bestow his wisdom pertaining to
Speaker 2: relationships and marriage, and in his eyes, the main problem
Speaker 2: seems to be that not just women, but specifically that
Speaker 2: women are too liberal. Yeah, really breaking new ground there.
Speaker 3: Yeah, sure, that's uh, that's it. That's the problem because
Speaker 3: then they don't like all of the Nick flintest fans.
Speaker 5: The men are extremely conservative increasingly, the women are extremely liberal.
Speaker 5: What are they liberal on? What issues?
Speaker 6: Like?
Speaker 5: What does that mean liberal?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 5: On on out?
Speaker 1: They're very feminist, like actually extremely feminist. Yeah, I don't
Speaker 1: believe that, do they? I think they do, really absolutely.
Speaker 4: I can't believe that gender rules are a construct, that
Speaker 4: none of this is inborn, Like you have to be
Speaker 4: an idiot to think that they like the idea of it.
Speaker 2: Tucker's delivery. I want to study it more.
Speaker 3: I feel like they sketched some of this out before
Speaker 3: they did this, because I feel like they're both leading
Speaker 3: each other to get out statements that they want to say.
Speaker 2: No, yeah, it's so crafted here, like they're back and
Speaker 2: forth exchange is so is so crafted. Every every inflection
Speaker 2: they have, they're like giving each other these key points
Speaker 2: to then extrap laid on.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and there's the stuff that's willful, like the claims
Speaker 3: that well, young men are conservative, which is based on
Speaker 3: like a shift towards Trump that's partly reversed over the
Speaker 3: last year or so, but that was not the vast
Speaker 3: majority of gen Z people, right, Like, it's it's yeah,
Speaker 3: young people are willing to like try out different things
Speaker 3: and swing back and forth. But like, it's not it's
Speaker 3: not the way he's framing it, right, because that's that's
Speaker 3: the most convenient narrative for the right, that like all
Speaker 3: of the young men are pulling towards the right, and
Speaker 3: so the problem is that women are more progressive, right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, therefore it has to be liberal women. Yeah, right, No,
Speaker 2: it's it's a very it's a very convenient excuse to
Speaker 2: explain actually a complex set of economic problems which are
Speaker 2: preventing people from feeling comfortable enough to actually start a
Speaker 2: family and you know, safe enough economically speaking. Nick goes
Speaker 2: on to complain about, you know, women lying about wanting equality,
Speaker 2: wanting to work, when really all they want is a
Speaker 2: quote unquote tough chad quote. The whole political system is
Speaker 2: based around women never being accountable for any of their
Speaker 2: choices unquote. This is namely abortion and no false divorce,
Speaker 2: which Nick spends a while talking about how that has
Speaker 2: been a significant contributing factor towards ruining this country. How
Speaker 2: women can enter marriages and leave for whatever reason they want,
Speaker 2: taking half the money, taking half the stuff, etc. Etc.
Speaker 2: There's another factor that Nick claims is is contributing to
Speaker 2: this problem.
Speaker 1: They have a very high estimation of themselves. I think
Speaker 1: people call it hope flation, their inflation. Yes, their sense
Speaker 1: of their own looks and sexual value is very inflated.
Speaker 2: I just had to put the wheflation clip in there.
Speaker 3: The hope flation, Yes, Tucker Carlson saying, hope flation. It's
Speaker 3: truly a moment for us all.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Again, I really want to just displice some of
Speaker 2: these soundbits into my other episode at random points. Now again,
Speaker 2: Tucker actually pushes back in some of like the in
Speaker 2: between sections here, and I'll play some of that pushback later.
Speaker 2: But you know, way more than the rest of the interview,
Speaker 2: So specifically, here Tucker is actually pushing back on Nick's
Speaker 2: kind of resigned blame directed towards women and the quote
Speaker 2: unquote legal incentive structures that he says are contributing to this.
Speaker 2: And Tucker responds by saying, even if some of these
Speaker 2: complaints are true, as believers in the natural patriarchy, isn't
Speaker 2: it men's role to take responsibility, lead by example, and
Speaker 2: to fix this behavior in women through marriage.
Speaker 1: But I would say that because I hear this all
Speaker 1: the time. People say, well, the men need to step
Speaker 1: up and be better and lead the women easier said
Speaker 1: than done.
Speaker 5: Go on, you know, I agree with that.
Speaker 1: They're at war with the system, and not even just
Speaker 1: the system, but also society.
Speaker 2: So this is this is the full like joker piled
Speaker 2: and sale stuff, is that in order to have an
Speaker 2: actual relationship with women, men have to enter into con
Speaker 2: against quote unquote society. Right like this, it is larger.
Speaker 2: It's larger thing that's influencing women and is making them,
Speaker 2: you know, depraved and liberal. And Nick argues that even
Speaker 2: if you find like a nice trad Christian girl, they're
Speaker 2: gonna be on TikTok. They're gonna be on Instagram and
Speaker 2: they're going to be quote unquote talking to other women,
Speaker 2: and through osmosis, they're gonna get influenced by this liberal
Speaker 2: culture and say, ten, fifteen, twenty years down the line,
Speaker 2: people will change and they may not be so Christian
Speaker 2: and trad twenty years into your marriage because of society.
Speaker 3: Huh yeah, I mean, I guess that's the argument I
Speaker 3: expected from him.
Speaker 2: He'll extratholate some of his reasoning here.
Speaker 1: And I think that women as kind of the ultimate conformists,
Speaker 1: the ultimate enforcers of like social norms. I think eventually
Speaker 1: the pressure from society kind of gets to them, and
Speaker 1: a lot of them will go into.
Speaker 4: Depends what husbands they have. I mean, if there's real
Speaker 4: leadership at home. I don't know a single happily married
Speaker 4: who's liberal, not one. I know a lot of married women.
Speaker 2: Here's some of the pushback that Tucker is doing now.
Speaker 2: But yeah, man, this idea of you know, the women
Speaker 2: as the ultimate conformists is the enforcers of social norms, right,
Speaker 2: This is like kind of like the long House type stuff.
Speaker 2: And Tucker's rebuke of that is that in an actual
Speaker 2: you know, marriage with a conservative man, a strong conservative man,
Speaker 2: all that behavior will get changed because people will fall
Speaker 2: into like their natural biological patriarchal roles. But Nick still
Speaker 2: doesn't buy it. Like he is he is he is
Speaker 2: an insul at heart. Here's no way that that Tucker's
Speaker 2: kind of pushback, it's gonna it's gonna turn him on this.
Speaker 2: Like Nick just hates women entirely. This whole motivation is
Speaker 2: that due to some sort of like fascist homo erotic
Speaker 2: like aspect, maybe, but it's it's probably even more complicated
Speaker 2: than that. I mean, part of the fascist fenboy thing
Speaker 2: is people who actually aren't even gay but just hate
Speaker 2: women so much that they end up being gay because
Speaker 2: that's like the only mode of connection they can even
Speaker 2: or like physical connection. They can even like muster themselves
Speaker 2: to do, which I explained in that episode from you
Speaker 2: know a few years ago when I was a baby.
Speaker 2: But yeah, this is definitely some stuff at play here,
Speaker 2: and I mean Nick will always just find new things
Speaker 2: to complain about in regards to this sort of stuff,
Speaker 2: like the quote unquote epidemic of simps.
Speaker 4: So like maybe the job is to make a girl
Speaker 4: happy and like all this nonsense ends.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I think that that could be a bottomless pit too,
Speaker 1: because my critique I have of the men is, and
Speaker 1: you're right about this, they enable this behavior.
Speaker 5: Well, that's for sure.
Speaker 1: It's epidemic of simps who and especially with Christians, I've
Speaker 1: noticed this epidemic of sex.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's that's something else.
Speaker 2: Marriage has this bottomless pit. Like I also love.
Speaker 3: The idea that Tucker's like, well, why are men just
Speaker 3: making women happy? And you know the answer there for
Speaker 3: Tucker is that people like you are not capable of
Speaker 3: making other people happy. But Nick can't even consider that
Speaker 3: because the idea of women being happy is deeply offensive
Speaker 3: to him.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 2: No, I mean Nick says that simp culture, or more specifically,
Speaker 2: a backlash to simp culture, is why people like Andrew
Speaker 2: Tate have gotten so popular despite being a quote unquote
Speaker 2: Muslim polchemist, because Tate is quote putting a women in
Speaker 2: their place unquote, as opposed to Christian men who are
Speaker 2: tone policing each other and are worshiping women and worshiping
Speaker 2: their wives, which Tucker pushes back on a bit by
Speaker 2: saying that the New Testament commands men to love their
Speaker 2: wives and that wives respect their husbands. We got only
Speaker 2: two more at clips left, but I think they are
Speaker 2: very revealing, all right, as much else needs to be
Speaker 2: revealed here.
Speaker 4: I do think I've just noticed this that men who
Speaker 4: stay unmarried for too long become like kind of fragile.
Speaker 4: There's something about the given take. There's something about living
Speaker 4: with In fact, I think it's the key to life
Speaker 4: someone you don't fully understand. That broadens you, that keeps
Speaker 4: you always thinking, That makes you wiser, more patient, more thoughtful,
Speaker 4: more self aware, uh, and more flexible.
Speaker 5: And those are all good qualities.
Speaker 4: And the and the absence of that, like in homosexuality,
Speaker 4: or like men who are single too long, they get
Speaker 4: very rigid.
Speaker 5: Have you ever noticed this?
Speaker 2: Have you ever noticed this?
Speaker 5: I like things the way I like them, and they
Speaker 5: just get like no, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. You don't
Speaker 5: want that really, because that's who you are. Nick.
Speaker 1: I would say that when when you say you don't
Speaker 1: fully understand women. To me, I feel like women are
Speaker 1: very simple in terms of you ever lived with one?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 5: I haven't lived with them, but I.
Speaker 2: Meant, oh, man, women are really simple. Have you ever
Speaker 2: lived with one? No?
Speaker 3: It's really funny up until the assuming all gay pe
Speaker 3: fully the same bit. Tucker's making a good point, which
Speaker 3: is that like part of what's healthy about relationships is
Speaker 3: like living with someone who's not like you, right, just
Speaker 3: like that makes us better people.
Speaker 2: And he's very clearly trying to like like push Nick's
Speaker 2: buttons here, Yeah, because he knows, he knows, he knows,
Speaker 2: because Nick's getting called out because yeah, he's this angry,
Speaker 2: unmarried guy. He's this like yeah, little little unhinged freak. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Oh and yeah, he's like getting he's absolutely getting called
Speaker 2: out here. And it's funny that this is the thing
Speaker 2: out of the out of the entire interview that that
Speaker 2: that Tucker really tries to harp on. It's it's this
Speaker 2: married thing, Like he really wants Nick to get married.
Speaker 2: That's kind of the main thing he's really pushing for
Speaker 2: by the end of this interview.
Speaker 3: Yeah, bro, that's gonna happen.
Speaker 2: Have you ever lived with one? Well no, no, of
Speaker 2: course not. It's wild. I mean well, later Nick tries
Speaker 2: to argue that, you know, it's it's really the men
Speaker 2: who are complicated, because men have a quote deep can
Speaker 2: to math and space unquote.
Speaker 3: Sure, yeah, man, I love my deep connection to math
Speaker 3: and space.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Robert's so good at math and space.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's really my strong suits math and space. Anyone
Speaker 3: that knows you, I would say, every man I know
Speaker 3: is good at math and space.
Speaker 2: Versus you know, women just operate on primal base in course. Yes,
Speaker 2: Nick says quote men are masters of the universe, women
Speaker 2: are the universe, which I think is a quote from
Speaker 2: someone else.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, god, yeah, you're a real master of
Speaker 3: the universe, Nick.
Speaker 2: This will be the final clip where Tucker will offer
Speaker 2: a little bit more pushback towards Nick on some of
Speaker 2: his views about women and marriage. You've got a pretty
Speaker 2: clear look into into Nick's an interiority here as well.
Speaker 4: So, but anyway, but what are the point of men
Speaker 4: want to talk past each other constantly? They don't always
Speaker 4: know what the other one is saying, and that frustration
Speaker 4: actually gives way to like great beauty over time. I
Speaker 4: would say, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I personally find women very frustrated when they are not expressing,
Speaker 1: and I.
Speaker 5: Just view that as any of it.
Speaker 2: I see.
Speaker 1: The way I look at is like when you look
Speaker 1: at your favorite TV shows, right, the Sopranos Breaking Bad,
Speaker 1: It's like the wife is the villain, because it's like
Speaker 1: the main character, if the wife could just get out
Speaker 1: of the way, would be running the show. And that's
Speaker 1: kind of how I feel like iin rand I agree
Speaker 1: with her about this. She said that the wife's role
Speaker 1: is like hero worship. The guy is the hero. The
Speaker 1: guy is supposed to be the entrepreneur, the conqueror or whatever,
Speaker 1: and the woman is really supposed to support the man's
Speaker 1: goals and be in his world.
Speaker 5: And I van that's the well House.
Speaker 4: Thing successful men need is more power worship, more, a
Speaker 4: hero worship more. You're so great when you get that
Speaker 4: at work, you don't want that at home. You become
Speaker 4: an unbeara pray destroys every successful man, which is hubrist,
Speaker 4: Like you mistake yourself for God. You need someone who's
Speaker 4: not interested in what you do at all, only interested
Speaker 4: in you. And that's how you become balanced and wise.
Speaker 4: That's how you know your own limits.
Speaker 3: That's shockingly good advice from Tucker Carlson, Like this, this
Speaker 3: is so beautiful.
Speaker 2: This is so beautiful to me. When Tucker Carlson is
Speaker 2: the voice of reason, it's it's really really scary weak. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but no, so clearly is next like a closet and
Speaker 2: gay in cell showing here, well, like, well, Tucker pains
Speaker 2: pains to explain to Nick why people actually get into
Speaker 2: a relationships. Yeah, and Nick just can't do it. He
Speaker 2: starts talking about the Sopranos and fucking breaking bad. That's
Speaker 2: like the only framework in which you could understand this,
Speaker 2: because he's never had a real relationship. The wife is
Speaker 2: the villain, I agree with ein Rand. Yeah, famously well
Speaker 2: adjusted in the relationship department. Iin Rand, the wife's role
Speaker 2: is hero worship. And Tucker's like, oh my god, No,
Speaker 2: that's horrible. Oh no, that's that's what ruins people, that
Speaker 2: destroys people. It's fascinating. No, yeah, this is a this
Speaker 2: is a truly fascinating exchange. And it's really telling that
Speaker 2: this is the thing that Tucker pushes back on, not
Speaker 2: the anti semitism, but she like kind of tepidly offered
Speaker 2: Nick advice on how to change his rhetoric to be
Speaker 2: more appealing, but did not push back on the substance
Speaker 2: of it, because Tucker is actually just as anti semitic
Speaker 2: as Nick is. Yeah, but no, this is this is
Speaker 2: the thing that he that he decided to do, and yeah,
Speaker 2: like my initial feeling after watching this whole two hour
Speaker 2: and eighteen minute stream is like this whole stream or
Speaker 2: this whole episode felt like Tucker was kind of trying
Speaker 2: to be some sort of mentor figure to Neck or
Speaker 2: saw that Nick might be the future in some way,
Speaker 2: like might be the whether whether it's the future of
Speaker 2: the party or future of like you know, this sort
Speaker 2: of like commentating class or style, and it kind of
Speaker 2: wanted to offer a little bit of a guiding light
Speaker 2: towards someone who I think Tucker does see, as you know,
Speaker 2: having some obvious issues and saying some nasty things and
Speaker 2: wanting to kind of write that course in a way
Speaker 2: or provide Nick a bit of a fresh start to
Speaker 2: restate some of his views on the biggest right wing
Speaker 2: platform online, which is which is Tucker's show right now.
Speaker 2: I guess that's kind of That's kind of all I
Speaker 2: have on this women in Poorn section. I guess the
Speaker 2: last thing before we close, there is this question right
Speaker 2: with people in the GOP who are scared about Nick's
Speaker 2: Nick's influence at least in the commentating classroom among like interns. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but specifically scared of it one because of the you know,
Speaker 2: anti Israel stuff, but also if that's going to hurt
Speaker 2: them electorally. Right, A lot of people couch this and saying, well,
Speaker 2: you know, these views aren't popular with the electorate. Republicans
Speaker 2: are never going to win elections if this Graper thing
Speaker 2: takes over and that leaves us, you know, people who
Speaker 2: are against against you know, the rise of fascism and
Speaker 2: authoritary in kind of a weird spot because I don't
Speaker 2: think we can really do anything to encourage like the
Speaker 2: gropperification of the GOP like an accelerationist fashion, but we
Speaker 2: can kind of let it happen. Yeah, we can choose
Speaker 2: to just let it happen, or we can choose to
Speaker 2: kind of stop it in like the twenty seventeen Antifa,
Speaker 2: you know framework of like trying to prevent this stuff
Speaker 2: from spreading because it will always lead to bad things.
Speaker 2: And Yeah, after doing all this research last week and
Speaker 2: really continuing into this week too, I mean, Trump just
Speaker 2: gave a statement in support of Talker and saying that
Speaker 2: he should get the word out about Nick Fuentes. I've
Speaker 2: continued to be looking at this stuff and can we
Speaker 2: even stop it though? At this point? Right, like how
Speaker 2: much of the Antifa project like even succeeded considering where
Speaker 2: we are now politically right. But no, there certainly is
Speaker 2: this like internal debate in terms of letting this stuff
Speaker 2: happen versus trying to actively oppose this like groper takeover
Speaker 2: of the GOP.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I don't think there's realistically anything that
Speaker 3: we can do to influence how popular Nick Fuintz is
Speaker 3: on the right. Like if you just start screaming about
Speaker 3: how bad and dangerous he is, that's going to convince
Speaker 3: a lot of people. Oh well, the left hates him.
Speaker 3: That must mean you know he's our guy.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Likewise, I don't know. I don't think it's our place.
Speaker 3: I think it's our place to make sure people know
Speaker 3: what Nick actually stands for. That if there's some sort
Speaker 3: of like whitewashing of his character that they attempt to
Speaker 3: do in order to make this more electorally viable, that
Speaker 3: people are aware of, like how how unhinged this guy is,
Speaker 3: I don't think. I don't think the kind of shit
Speaker 3: Nick is saying here will will do well when exposed
Speaker 3: to the body politic as a whole, because it's nuts.
Speaker 3: But that said, like, I don't think you can you're
Speaker 3: going to scold your way out of this.
Speaker 2: No, No, And I guess part of the education is
Speaker 2: making sure people have a more full understanding of Nick
Speaker 2: fuint has his views on women and his uh yeah,
Speaker 2: and his little conversation on pornography. I think that actually
Speaker 2: is important because all of these guys are weird little
Speaker 2: in cell freaks.
Speaker 3: Yes, and people don't like how weird they are when
Speaker 3: they're confronted with it. No, right, Mostly what they're concerned
Speaker 3: about is whether or not there are jobs and shit
Speaker 3: is more or less expensive. They don't want some weirdo
Speaker 3: telling them that living with women will make them weaker.
Speaker 2: No, even even Tucker doesn't like that. Yeah, well, I
Speaker 2: think that does it for us today. At it could
Speaker 2: Happen Here?
Speaker 3: Great.
Speaker 2: I hope this episode is something.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I hope it's something too.
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