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Speaker 1: Cool Zone Media.

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Speaker 2: This is it could happen here. I'm Garrison Davis joined

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Speaker 2: by Robert Evans. Last week, I released an episode on

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Speaker 2: the ascent of white nationalist live streamer Nick Fuentes and

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Speaker 2: his groper fans among particularly young gen Z Republicans. The

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Speaker 2: episode also tracked the conservative infighting at Heritage Foundation and

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Speaker 2: Ben Shapiro's Daily Wire in the aftermath of Tucker Carlson's

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Speaker 2: Friendly sit Down interview with Nick Fuentes. In the episode,

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Speaker 2: I mentioned that I had an extra segment covering the

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Speaker 2: final section of the interview. Now, most coverage of this interview,

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Speaker 2: including my episode last week, focused on like the first

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Speaker 2: two thirds, which ranged from like Nick Fuentes's political background,

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Speaker 2: early beef with Ben Shapiro and his like Nazisque anti

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Speaker 2: Semitic theories of a quote unquote organized world jewelry corrupting America,

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Speaker 2: which he now lightly couches in anti Israel framing to

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Speaker 2: profit off of the genocide in Palestine. But the last

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Speaker 2: third of the interview changes course to discuss the mechanisms

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Speaker 2: of quote unquote reality distortion which are ruining young men, drugs, alcohol,

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Speaker 2: the Internet, and most importantly, pornography. After receiving a universal

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Speaker 2: response demanding the release of the porn cut. I have

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Speaker 2: sat down with Robert here to finally, finally air what

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Speaker 2: no other news platform is brave enough, brave enough to cover?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well, no, what new other news platform can legally

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Speaker 3: cover because they have a duty to their employees to

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Speaker 3: not make them research this stuff.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, or like an actual healthy HR department.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we have not finished our classes on what we're

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Speaker 3: not allowed to make people do. So said now, to

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Speaker 3: be fair, Garrison couldn't be stopped from researching this.

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Speaker 2: There was no way of stopping you from doing this.

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Speaker 2: I have a sick drive.

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Speaker 3: You would have started working for someone else, so we

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Speaker 3: didn't let you do this.

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Speaker 2: Now, if if Sophie told me I wasn't allowed to

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Speaker 2: cover this, I would have quit immediately.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, started working for Wired or someone.

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Speaker 2: So now I am very pleased to present to you

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Speaker 2: probably thirty thirty minutes of Nick foint As explaining to

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Speaker 2: a performatively confused Tucker Carlson the concept of pornography. And

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Speaker 2: I guess if we're gonna view you know, Fuenttes and

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Speaker 2: the gropers as like a serious, legitimate threat that's able

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Speaker 2: to sway national political discourse. I think it's also important

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Speaker 2: to cover his weird sexual politics, just as explaining the

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Speaker 2: weird sexual practices of like, you know, the Proud Boys

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Speaker 2: is important for understanding their whole deal as like a

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Speaker 2: neo fascist streak gang, the kind of closeted gay in

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Speaker 2: cell women. The issues of the gropers is actually really important,

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Speaker 2: especially for Nick, and let's discuss that. But thankfully we

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Speaker 2: get to start off with the majority majority of the section,

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Speaker 2: which is which is on pornography. Let's start one of

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Speaker 2: the first clips.

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Speaker 4: What is porn exactly? Like, describe how available is porn?

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Speaker 5: What is it?

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Speaker 2: My god?

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Speaker 3: Because he does ask that like a man who's legitimately

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Speaker 3: never heard of pornography.

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Speaker 2: He does. He later says like, obviously he is familiar

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Speaker 2: with the rough concept of porn, uh huh, but maybe not,

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Speaker 2: but maybe not this sort of internet porn obsession, to

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Speaker 2: which Nick refers, let's let's skip ahead about a minute

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Speaker 2: where where Nick kind of closes on his explanation of

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Speaker 1: So, something that is almost ever talked about is that

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Speaker 1: this is a generation that's totally sexually dysfunctional, I think

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Speaker 1: because of pornography and some people are able to cope

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Speaker 1: with it. Some people don't have a problem, but I

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Speaker 1: think a lot of people, and maybe the small minority,

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Speaker 5: And the problem people sexually dysfunctional.

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Speaker 1: I think that it's impossible for a real woman to

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Speaker 1: compete with the availability and the novelty of pornography.

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Speaker 2: So that is that is Nick's kind of ending argument

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Speaker 2: at the tail end of his definition of porn and

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Speaker 2: how porn is affecting specifically American men. A little bit

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Speaker 2: of his in cel status is obviously seeping through there.

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Speaker 2: More of it will become increasingly evident throughout throughout this interview.

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Speaker 2: But this idea of sexual dysfunction, how porn is ruining

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Speaker 2: men's ability to get into relationships, is ruining the ability

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Speaker 2: also really as the fault of women. Women aren't able

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Speaker 2: to compete with how much porn there is, the different

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Speaker 2: categories of porn. How can one woman please a man

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Speaker 2: when a man can go on to the internet and

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Speaker 2: look up, you know, fifty different Niche fetishes that not

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Speaker 2: one woman could provide. Yeah, and that's part of his

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's always like been the Okay, so you've

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Speaker 2: Which Nick is open about at least Nick claims that, right. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: It's unclear how true a lot of Nick's claims are

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Speaker 2: about his like in cell vall cell in voluntary celibate, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: a type deal, But no Nick, Nick does claim that,

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Speaker 2: and the sort of pushback Nick will receive later on

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Speaker 2: in the interview on some of these aspects is actually

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Speaker 2: way stronger than any of the world jewelry, anti semitic

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Speaker 2: stuff from earlier in the interview. Yeah, which Carlson was

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Speaker 2: vague actually kind of like trying to shape Nick quent

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Speaker 2: as his rhetoric to make him like appeal to a

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Speaker 2: the same extent he does on a Nick's like relationship

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Speaker 2: with women. But the sexual dysfunction aspect, I think is

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Speaker 2: the is the ending argument for Nick here in terms

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Speaker 2: of what actually makes porn bad. He extrapolates on this

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Speaker 2: point in this next section which I'll play Now.

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Speaker 1: Porn is you could have one hundred different women in

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Speaker 1: one sitting doing anything that whatever niche or idiosyncratic thing

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Speaker 1: a person might be into. It's there, and so I

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Speaker 1: think that novelty combined with that availability and makes it

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Speaker 1: so that, you know, when you think about courting a woman,

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Speaker 1: juice isn't worth the squeeze. So there's like also a

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Speaker 1: problem of like a rectile dysfunction, people that can't enjoy

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Speaker 1: the novelty and the availability of porn. It's hyper stimulation.

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Speaker 1: And so I think that's sabotaging a lot of normal

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Speaker 1: sexual relationships. It seems like it's making a lot of

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Speaker 1: people gay too, Yeah, and trans you think that's true?

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Speaker 2: What is that?

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Speaker 5: Oh my god, what is that?

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Speaker 2: I don't even know where to start there.

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Speaker 3: I mean, like it's it's what these people have always believed,

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Speaker 3: right that, Like that's the There's got to be an explanation,

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Speaker 3: some kind of cause why people like things that that

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Speaker 3: they're not allowed to admit to liking in public. And

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Speaker 3: it's got to be the fault of pornography, right, or

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Speaker 2: Every time Tucker interjects the beauty of his of his

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Speaker 2: little like befuddled interjections, what is that? Is that real?

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Speaker 2: Is that true. It's it's fantastic, but yeah, no, I

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Speaker 2: mean Nick kind of blames the rise in homosexuality and

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Speaker 2: Like once regular porn it doesn't do it for people.

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Speaker 2: They get pushed to more and more extreme categories, of

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Speaker 2: which transporn is somehow particularly effective at like influencing and

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Speaker 2: sissy hypno theory that porn can like make somebody trans. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: very goofy stuff. Specifically for Nick considering his curious catboy

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Speaker 2: background and his alleged leak viewership of transporn, which might

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Speaker 2: we might discuss later. I'm going to play play another

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Speaker 2: clip kind of on this note, a shorter one.

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Speaker 1: I think that if you are somebody that uses pornography

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Speaker 1: multiple times per day, which many people do, actually, oh absolutely,

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Speaker 1: that's a lot of druk.

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Speaker 5: That's a huge problem.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a.

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Speaker 3: Lot of cherking off.

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Speaker 2: Former Fox News anchor Tucker.

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Speaker 5: Car jerking off.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a lot of chirk it off. I so badly,

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Speaker 2: I just wanted to cut some of these clips out

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Speaker 2: of like out of contact, just put them in my

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Speaker 3: Tucker only comes once a year, and he can only

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Speaker 3: come by wrapping his dick inside of two frozen Swanson's meals.

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Speaker 3: He's got to kind of use like, you know how

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Speaker 2: It's a fairly edipal thing with his you know, family business.

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Speaker 2: This this sort of like psychosexual drive. Wow, the Swans

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Speaker 2: of it all. Of course that makes sense for Yeah,

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Speaker 2: that makes sense for Tucker. But Nonick says that porn

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Speaker 2: like operates kind of like drug tolerance levels, which like

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Speaker 2: over time after repetitive use, in order to get high,

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Speaker 2: the user must seek out strong drugs or dangerously intense doses,

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Speaker 2: of which he views transport. Is this like dangerous dose?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, because I do love like the the through line

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Speaker 3: with these people that like both this is like a

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Speaker 3: sickening degeneracy and also is so appealing that people absolutely

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Speaker 3: cannot help themselves to it, like it affects them like heroin.

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Speaker 3: It's it's it's so inherently attractive.

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Speaker 2: I mean, so some of that might be their actual

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Speaker 2: whether it's Alex Jones or like Nick Fuentes, Like obviously

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Speaker 3: Yeah, which is it's it's just weird, Like I don't

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Speaker 2: Sort of like powerful obsessive nature in which these types

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Speaker 2: of right wing freaks like refer to it as the.

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Speaker 3: Like actual perverts will say stuff like no, no, no,

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Speaker 3: I've been shoving things inside my phole for the last

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Speaker 3: that's crazy, Like I know no one else does that.

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Speaker 5: That's just a me faith.

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Speaker 3: Oh, someone needs to explain sounding to Tucker Carlson, is

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Speaker 3: what I'm what I'm saying, Like I if, I if

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Speaker 3: he interviews me, I'm gonna walk him through sounding I'm

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Speaker 3: gonna use together a PowerPoint with photos.

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Speaker 2: He's obviously he's obviously uh open open to this line

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Speaker 2: of discussion. Are we allowed to have ads on this episode?

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Speaker 5: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Probably not, but let's throw to him anyway.

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Speaker 2: All right, we are we are. Nick Fuentes is gonna

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Speaker 2: continue continue to describe pornography towards a slightly confused Tucker Carlston. Now,

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Speaker 2: now Nick is able to really speak from a sense

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Speaker 2: He's able to really speak with authority on this topic,

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Speaker 2: which I will, I will. I'll play this next clip.

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Speaker 1: And there's something too about what it does when you

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Speaker 1: look at it, when you because people don't realize that

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Speaker 1: it is a fundamentally different experience.

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Speaker 2: People don't realize being.

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Speaker 1: Involved in intercourse versus watching other people have intercourse.

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Speaker 5: And I think that actually does something to you. Tell me,

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Speaker 5: what do you mean?

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Speaker 2: Sorry, I'm just stop there for a sec. People don't

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Speaker 2: realize this amazing observation from alleged version in cell Nick Fuentes,

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Speaker 2: He's trying to make this point about like body depersonalization

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Speaker 5: My only fans. Why would any of this be legal?

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Speaker 2: Of right, Oh my god, is Iron a bigger threat

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Speaker 3: The sponsors of this podcast, they are for putting up

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Speaker 4: Other factors that prevent I'm sorry I called you gay,

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Speaker 5: What does that mean liberal?

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Speaker 1: They're very feminist, like actually extremely feminist. Yeah, I don't

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Speaker 2: Tucker's delivery. I want to study it more.

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Speaker 3: I feel like they sketched some of this out before

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Speaker 2: No, yeah, it's so crafted here, like they're back and

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Speaker 2: quote unquote tough chad quote. The whole political system is

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Speaker 2: based around women never being accountable for any of their

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Speaker 2: choices unquote. This is namely abortion and no false divorce,

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Speaker 2: which Nick spends a while talking about how that has

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Speaker 2: been a significant contributing factor towards ruining this country. How

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Speaker 2: women can enter marriages and leave for whatever reason they want,

443
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Speaker 2: taking half the money, taking half the stuff, etc. Etc.

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Speaker 2: There's another factor that Nick claims is is contributing to

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Speaker 2: this problem.

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Speaker 1: They have a very high estimation of themselves. I think

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Speaker 1: people call it hope flation, their inflation. Yes, their sense

448
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Speaker 1: of their own looks and sexual value is very inflated.

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Speaker 2: I just had to put the wheflation clip in there.

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Speaker 3: The hope flation, Yes, Tucker Carlson saying, hope flation. It's

451
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Speaker 3: truly a moment for us all.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Again, I really want to just displice some of

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Speaker 2: these soundbits into my other episode at random points. Now again,

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Speaker 2: Tucker actually pushes back in some of like the in

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Speaker 2: between sections here, and I'll play some of that pushback later.

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Speaker 2: But you know, way more than the rest of the interview,

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Speaker 2: So specifically, here Tucker is actually pushing back on Nick's

458
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Speaker 2: kind of resigned blame directed towards women and the quote

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Speaker 2: unquote legal incentive structures that he says are contributing to this.

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Speaker 2: And Tucker responds by saying, even if some of these

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Speaker 2: complaints are true, as believers in the natural patriarchy, isn't

462
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Speaker 2: it men's role to take responsibility, lead by example, and

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Speaker 2: to fix this behavior in women through marriage.

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Speaker 1: But I would say that because I hear this all

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Speaker 1: the time. People say, well, the men need to step

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Speaker 1: up and be better and lead the women easier said

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Speaker 1: than done.

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Speaker 5: Go on, you know, I agree with that.

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Speaker 1: They're at war with the system, and not even just

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Speaker 1: the system, but also society.

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Speaker 2: So this is this is the full like joker piled

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Speaker 2: and sale stuff, is that in order to have an

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Speaker 2: actual relationship with women, men have to enter into con

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Speaker 2: against quote unquote society. Right like this, it is larger.

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Speaker 2: It's larger thing that's influencing women and is making them,

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Speaker 2: you know, depraved and liberal. And Nick argues that even

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Speaker 2: if you find like a nice trad Christian girl, they're

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Speaker 2: gonna be on TikTok. They're gonna be on Instagram and

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Speaker 2: they're going to be quote unquote talking to other women,

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Speaker 2: and through osmosis, they're gonna get influenced by this liberal

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Speaker 2: culture and say, ten, fifteen, twenty years down the line,

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Speaker 2: people will change and they may not be so Christian

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Speaker 2: and trad twenty years into your marriage because of society.

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Speaker 3: Huh yeah, I mean, I guess that's the argument I

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Speaker 3: expected from him.

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Speaker 2: He'll extratholate some of his reasoning here.

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Speaker 1: And I think that women as kind of the ultimate conformists,

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Speaker 1: the ultimate enforcers of like social norms. I think eventually

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Speaker 1: the pressure from society kind of gets to them, and

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Speaker 1: a lot of them will go into.

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Speaker 4: Depends what husbands they have. I mean, if there's real

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Speaker 4: leadership at home. I don't know a single happily married

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Speaker 4: who's liberal, not one. I know a lot of married women.

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Speaker 2: Here's some of the pushback that Tucker is doing now.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, man, this idea of you know, the women

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Speaker 2: as the ultimate conformists is the enforcers of social norms, right,

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Speaker 2: This is like kind of like the long House type stuff.

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Speaker 2: And Tucker's rebuke of that is that in an actual

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Speaker 2: you know, marriage with a conservative man, a strong conservative man,

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Speaker 2: all that behavior will get changed because people will fall

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Speaker 2: into like their natural biological patriarchal roles. But Nick still

502
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Speaker 2: doesn't buy it. Like he is he is he is

503
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Speaker 2: an insul at heart. Here's no way that that Tucker's

504
00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:40,520
Speaker 2: kind of pushback, it's gonna it's gonna turn him on this.

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00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:44,800
Speaker 2: Like Nick just hates women entirely. This whole motivation is

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Speaker 2: that due to some sort of like fascist homo erotic

507
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Speaker 2: like aspect, maybe, but it's it's probably even more complicated

508
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Speaker 2: than that. I mean, part of the fascist fenboy thing

509
00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:58,040
Speaker 2: is people who actually aren't even gay but just hate

510
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Speaker 2: women so much that they end up being gay because

511
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Speaker 2: that's like the only mode of connection they can even

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Speaker 2: or like physical connection. They can even like muster themselves

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Speaker 2: to do, which I explained in that episode from you

514
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Speaker 2: know a few years ago when I was a baby.

515
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Speaker 2: But yeah, this is definitely some stuff at play here,

516
00:29:14,760 --> 00:29:16,800
Speaker 2: and I mean Nick will always just find new things

517
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Speaker 2: to complain about in regards to this sort of stuff,

518
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Speaker 2: like the quote unquote epidemic of simps.

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Speaker 4: So like maybe the job is to make a girl

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Speaker 4: happy and like all this nonsense ends.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I think that that could be a bottomless pit too,

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Speaker 1: because my critique I have of the men is, and

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Speaker 1: you're right about this, they enable this behavior.

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Speaker 5: Well, that's for sure.

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Speaker 1: It's epidemic of simps who and especially with Christians, I've

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Speaker 1: noticed this epidemic of sex.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's that's something else.

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Speaker 2: Marriage has this bottomless pit. Like I also love.

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Speaker 3: The idea that Tucker's like, well, why are men just

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Speaker 3: making women happy? And you know the answer there for

532
00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:00,840
Speaker 3: Tucker is that people like you are not capable of

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Speaker 3: making other people happy. But Nick can't even consider that

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Speaker 3: because the idea of women being happy is deeply offensive

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Speaker 3: to him.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: No, I mean Nick says that simp culture, or more specifically,

538
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Speaker 2: a backlash to simp culture, is why people like Andrew

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Speaker 2: Tate have gotten so popular despite being a quote unquote

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Speaker 2: Muslim polchemist, because Tate is quote putting a women in

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Speaker 2: their place unquote, as opposed to Christian men who are

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Speaker 2: tone policing each other and are worshiping women and worshiping

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Speaker 2: their wives, which Tucker pushes back on a bit by

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Speaker 2: saying that the New Testament commands men to love their

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Speaker 2: wives and that wives respect their husbands. We got only

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Speaker 2: two more at clips left, but I think they are

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Speaker 2: very revealing, all right, as much else needs to be

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Speaker 2: revealed here.

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Speaker 4: I do think I've just noticed this that men who

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Speaker 4: stay unmarried for too long become like kind of fragile.

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Speaker 4: There's something about the given take. There's something about living

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Speaker 4: with In fact, I think it's the key to life

553
00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:07,920
Speaker 4: someone you don't fully understand. That broadens you, that keeps

554
00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:14,360
Speaker 4: you always thinking, That makes you wiser, more patient, more thoughtful,

555
00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:17,960
Speaker 4: more self aware, uh, and more flexible.

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Speaker 5: And those are all good qualities.

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Speaker 4: And the and the absence of that, like in homosexuality,

558
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Speaker 4: or like men who are single too long, they get

559
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Speaker 4: very rigid.

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Speaker 5: Have you ever noticed this?

561
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Speaker 2: Have you ever noticed this?

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Speaker 5: I like things the way I like them, and they

563
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Speaker 5: just get like no, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. You don't

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Speaker 5: want that really, because that's who you are. Nick.

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Speaker 1: I would say that when when you say you don't

566
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Speaker 1: fully understand women. To me, I feel like women are

567
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Speaker 1: very simple in terms of you ever lived with one?

568
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Speaker 2: No?

569
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Speaker 5: I haven't lived with them, but I.

570
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Speaker 2: Meant, oh, man, women are really simple. Have you ever

571
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Speaker 2: lived with one? No?

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Speaker 3: It's really funny up until the assuming all gay pe

573
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Speaker 3: fully the same bit. Tucker's making a good point, which

574
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Speaker 3: is that like part of what's healthy about relationships is

575
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Speaker 3: like living with someone who's not like you, right, just

576
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Speaker 3: like that makes us better people.

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Speaker 2: And he's very clearly trying to like like push Nick's

578
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Speaker 2: buttons here, Yeah, because he knows, he knows, he knows,

579
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Speaker 2: because Nick's getting called out because yeah, he's this angry,

580
00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:26,320
Speaker 2: unmarried guy. He's this like yeah, little little unhinged freak. Yeah.

581
00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:29,800
Speaker 2: Oh and yeah, he's like getting he's absolutely getting called

582
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Speaker 2: out here. And it's funny that this is the thing

583
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Speaker 2: out of the out of the entire interview that that

584
00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:37,560
Speaker 2: that Tucker really tries to harp on. It's it's this

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Speaker 2: married thing, Like he really wants Nick to get married.

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Speaker 2: That's kind of the main thing he's really pushing for

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Speaker 2: by the end of this interview.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, bro, that's gonna happen.

589
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Speaker 2: Have you ever lived with one? Well no, no, of

590
00:32:49,800 --> 00:32:53,840
Speaker 2: course not. It's wild. I mean well, later Nick tries

591
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Speaker 2: to argue that, you know, it's it's really the men

592
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Speaker 2: who are complicated, because men have a quote deep can

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Speaker 2: to math and space unquote.

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Speaker 3: Sure, yeah, man, I love my deep connection to math

595
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Speaker 3: and space.

596
00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:10,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, Robert's so good at math and space.

597
00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:14,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's really my strong suits math and space. Anyone

598
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Speaker 3: that knows you, I would say, every man I know

599
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Speaker 3: is good at math and space.

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Speaker 2: Versus you know, women just operate on primal base in course. Yes,

601
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Speaker 2: Nick says quote men are masters of the universe, women

602
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Speaker 2: are the universe, which I think is a quote from

603
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Speaker 2: someone else.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, god, yeah, you're a real master of

605
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Speaker 3: the universe, Nick.

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Speaker 2: This will be the final clip where Tucker will offer

607
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Speaker 2: a little bit more pushback towards Nick on some of

608
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Speaker 2: his views about women and marriage. You've got a pretty

609
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Speaker 2: clear look into into Nick's an interiority here as well.

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Speaker 4: So, but anyway, but what are the point of men

611
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Speaker 4: want to talk past each other constantly? They don't always

612
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Speaker 4: know what the other one is saying, and that frustration

613
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Speaker 4: actually gives way to like great beauty over time. I

614
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Speaker 4: would say, I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I personally find women very frustrated when they are not expressing,

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Speaker 1: and I.

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Speaker 5: Just view that as any of it.

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Speaker 2: I see.

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Speaker 1: The way I look at is like when you look

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Speaker 1: at your favorite TV shows, right, the Sopranos Breaking Bad,

621
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Speaker 1: It's like the wife is the villain, because it's like

622
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Speaker 1: the main character, if the wife could just get out

623
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Speaker 1: of the way, would be running the show. And that's

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Speaker 1: kind of how I feel like iin rand I agree

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Speaker 1: with her about this. She said that the wife's role

626
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Speaker 1: is like hero worship. The guy is the hero. The

627
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Speaker 1: guy is supposed to be the entrepreneur, the conqueror or whatever,

628
00:34:45,160 --> 00:34:47,360
Speaker 1: and the woman is really supposed to support the man's

629
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Speaker 1: goals and be in his world.

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Speaker 5: And I van that's the well House.

631
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Speaker 4: Thing successful men need is more power worship, more, a

632
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Speaker 4: hero worship more. You're so great when you get that

633
00:34:56,840 --> 00:34:59,479
Speaker 4: at work, you don't want that at home. You become

634
00:34:59,480 --> 00:35:05,000
Speaker 4: an unbeara pray destroys every successful man, which is hubrist,

635
00:35:05,080 --> 00:35:07,600
Speaker 4: Like you mistake yourself for God. You need someone who's

636
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Speaker 4: not interested in what you do at all, only interested

637
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Speaker 4: in you. And that's how you become balanced and wise.

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00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:15,160
Speaker 4: That's how you know your own limits.

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00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:19,880
Speaker 3: That's shockingly good advice from Tucker Carlson, Like this, this

640
00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:20,880
Speaker 3: is so beautiful.

641
00:35:22,040 --> 00:35:25,040
Speaker 2: This is so beautiful to me. When Tucker Carlson is

642
00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:29,880
Speaker 2: the voice of reason, it's it's really really scary weak. Yeah,

643
00:35:30,120 --> 00:35:33,560
Speaker 2: but no, so clearly is next like a closet and

644
00:35:33,680 --> 00:35:38,280
Speaker 2: gay in cell showing here, well, like, well, Tucker pains

645
00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:42,400
Speaker 2: pains to explain to Nick why people actually get into

646
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Speaker 2: a relationships. Yeah, and Nick just can't do it. He

647
00:35:46,200 --> 00:35:50,520
Speaker 2: starts talking about the Sopranos and fucking breaking bad. That's

648
00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:54,319
Speaker 2: like the only framework in which you could understand this,

649
00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:58,440
Speaker 2: because he's never had a real relationship. The wife is

650
00:35:58,480 --> 00:36:02,759
Speaker 2: the villain, I agree with ein Rand. Yeah, famously well

651
00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:07,520
Speaker 2: adjusted in the relationship department. Iin Rand, the wife's role

652
00:36:07,640 --> 00:36:10,560
Speaker 2: is hero worship. And Tucker's like, oh my god, No,

653
00:36:10,719 --> 00:36:14,200
Speaker 2: that's horrible. Oh no, that's that's what ruins people, that

654
00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:17,359
Speaker 2: destroys people. It's fascinating. No, yeah, this is a this

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00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:20,719
Speaker 2: is a truly fascinating exchange. And it's really telling that

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Speaker 2: this is the thing that Tucker pushes back on, not

657
00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:26,440
Speaker 2: the anti semitism, but she like kind of tepidly offered

658
00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:28,840
Speaker 2: Nick advice on how to change his rhetoric to be

659
00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:31,280
Speaker 2: more appealing, but did not push back on the substance

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00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:33,680
Speaker 2: of it, because Tucker is actually just as anti semitic

661
00:36:33,680 --> 00:36:36,080
Speaker 2: as Nick is. Yeah, but no, this is this is

662
00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:39,120
Speaker 2: the thing that he that he decided to do, and yeah,

663
00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:42,520
Speaker 2: like my initial feeling after watching this whole two hour

664
00:36:42,560 --> 00:36:45,680
Speaker 2: and eighteen minute stream is like this whole stream or

665
00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:48,840
Speaker 2: this whole episode felt like Tucker was kind of trying

666
00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:51,040
Speaker 2: to be some sort of mentor figure to Neck or

667
00:36:51,080 --> 00:36:54,239
Speaker 2: saw that Nick might be the future in some way,

668
00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:55,840
Speaker 2: like might be the whether whether it's the future of

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00:36:55,840 --> 00:36:57,560
Speaker 2: the party or future of like you know, this sort

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00:36:57,560 --> 00:37:00,560
Speaker 2: of like commentating class or style, and it kind of

671
00:37:00,600 --> 00:37:02,719
Speaker 2: wanted to offer a little bit of a guiding light

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00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:05,480
Speaker 2: towards someone who I think Tucker does see, as you know,

673
00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:10,040
Speaker 2: having some obvious issues and saying some nasty things and

674
00:37:10,160 --> 00:37:12,359
Speaker 2: wanting to kind of write that course in a way

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00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:14,440
Speaker 2: or provide Nick a bit of a fresh start to

676
00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:17,120
Speaker 2: restate some of his views on the biggest right wing

677
00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:19,480
Speaker 2: platform online, which is which is Tucker's show right now.

678
00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:22,759
Speaker 2: I guess that's kind of That's kind of all I

679
00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:26,279
Speaker 2: have on this women in Poorn section. I guess the

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00:37:26,360 --> 00:37:28,839
Speaker 2: last thing before we close, there is this question right

681
00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:32,960
Speaker 2: with people in the GOP who are scared about Nick's

682
00:37:33,120 --> 00:37:37,320
Speaker 2: Nick's influence at least in the commentating classroom among like interns. Yeah,

683
00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:40,239
Speaker 2: but specifically scared of it one because of the you know,

684
00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:42,839
Speaker 2: anti Israel stuff, but also if that's going to hurt

685
00:37:42,840 --> 00:37:45,719
Speaker 2: them electorally. Right, A lot of people couch this and saying, well,

686
00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:48,600
Speaker 2: you know, these views aren't popular with the electorate. Republicans

687
00:37:48,640 --> 00:37:51,920
Speaker 2: are never going to win elections if this Graper thing

688
00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:55,879
Speaker 2: takes over and that leaves us, you know, people who

689
00:37:55,880 --> 00:37:59,440
Speaker 2: are against against you know, the rise of fascism and

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00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:03,080
Speaker 2: authoritary in kind of a weird spot because I don't

691
00:38:03,080 --> 00:38:05,799
Speaker 2: think we can really do anything to encourage like the

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00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:10,120
Speaker 2: gropperification of the GOP like an accelerationist fashion, but we

693
00:38:10,200 --> 00:38:13,280
Speaker 2: can kind of let it happen. Yeah, we can choose

694
00:38:13,640 --> 00:38:15,719
Speaker 2: to just let it happen, or we can choose to

695
00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:19,359
Speaker 2: kind of stop it in like the twenty seventeen Antifa,

696
00:38:19,560 --> 00:38:21,800
Speaker 2: you know framework of like trying to prevent this stuff

697
00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:24,399
Speaker 2: from spreading because it will always lead to bad things.

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00:38:24,760 --> 00:38:28,000
Speaker 2: And Yeah, after doing all this research last week and

699
00:38:28,520 --> 00:38:31,239
Speaker 2: really continuing into this week too, I mean, Trump just

700
00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:34,880
Speaker 2: gave a statement in support of Talker and saying that

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00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:38,799
Speaker 2: he should get the word out about Nick Fuentes. I've

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00:38:38,840 --> 00:38:41,600
Speaker 2: continued to be looking at this stuff and can we

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00:38:41,640 --> 00:38:43,480
Speaker 2: even stop it though? At this point? Right, like how

704
00:38:43,560 --> 00:38:47,480
Speaker 2: much of the Antifa project like even succeeded considering where

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00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:50,080
Speaker 2: we are now politically right. But no, there certainly is

706
00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:52,880
Speaker 2: this like internal debate in terms of letting this stuff

707
00:38:52,920 --> 00:38:56,760
Speaker 2: happen versus trying to actively oppose this like groper takeover

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Speaker 2: of the GOP.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I don't think there's realistically anything that

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00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:07,799
Speaker 3: we can do to influence how popular Nick Fuintz is

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00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:10,040
Speaker 3: on the right. Like if you just start screaming about

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00:39:10,040 --> 00:39:13,160
Speaker 3: how bad and dangerous he is, that's going to convince

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00:39:13,160 --> 00:39:15,120
Speaker 3: a lot of people. Oh well, the left hates him.

714
00:39:15,120 --> 00:39:17,359
Speaker 3: That must mean you know he's our guy.

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00:39:17,840 --> 00:39:18,160
Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Likewise, I don't know. I don't think it's our place.

717
00:39:22,640 --> 00:39:24,960
Speaker 3: I think it's our place to make sure people know

718
00:39:25,040 --> 00:39:27,719
Speaker 3: what Nick actually stands for. That if there's some sort

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00:39:27,719 --> 00:39:31,160
Speaker 3: of like whitewashing of his character that they attempt to

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Speaker 3: do in order to make this more electorally viable, that

721
00:39:33,280 --> 00:39:36,799
Speaker 3: people are aware of, like how how unhinged this guy is,

722
00:39:36,880 --> 00:39:39,399
Speaker 3: I don't think. I don't think the kind of shit

723
00:39:39,480 --> 00:39:43,400
Speaker 3: Nick is saying here will will do well when exposed

724
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Speaker 3: to the body politic as a whole, because it's nuts.

725
00:39:46,520 --> 00:39:48,960
Speaker 3: But that said, like, I don't think you can you're

726
00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:50,239
Speaker 3: going to scold your way out of this.

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Speaker 2: No, No, And I guess part of the education is

728
00:39:53,640 --> 00:39:56,839
Speaker 2: making sure people have a more full understanding of Nick

729
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Speaker 2: fuint has his views on women and his uh yeah,

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Speaker 2: and his little conversation on pornography. I think that actually

731
00:40:02,520 --> 00:40:05,760
Speaker 2: is important because all of these guys are weird little

732
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Speaker 2: in cell freaks.

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Speaker 3: Yes, and people don't like how weird they are when

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Speaker 3: they're confronted with it. No, right, Mostly what they're concerned

735
00:40:12,600 --> 00:40:15,080
Speaker 3: about is whether or not there are jobs and shit

736
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Speaker 3: is more or less expensive. They don't want some weirdo

737
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Speaker 3: telling them that living with women will make them weaker.

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Speaker 2: No, even even Tucker doesn't like that. Yeah, well, I

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Speaker 2: think that does it for us today. At it could

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Speaker 2: Happen Here?

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Speaker 3: Great.

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Speaker 2: I hope this episode is something.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I hope it's something too.

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