Speaker 1: Many of you know Kirk Cameron from his days of
Speaker 1: playing Mike sever on the ABC sitcom Growing Pains. He's
Speaker 1: also starred in films and television roles since then. But
Speaker 1: he has made a name for himself for being bold
Speaker 1: in his faith, for being a devout Christian, for not
Speaker 1: being afraid to speak up and speak out about his faith.
Speaker 1: His first Christian children's book was with Brave Books. It
Speaker 1: was called You Grow, and he's out with another one.
Speaker 1: It's called Pride Comes Before the Fall. It's part of
Speaker 1: a broader series he's doing on the Seven Deadly Sins.
Speaker 1: So we're going to talk to him about that, talk
Speaker 1: to him about his walk in faith. Talk to him
Speaker 1: about when he struggled with Pride on Growing Pains when
Speaker 1: he was seventeen and eighteen years old working in Hollywood,
Speaker 1: you know, a Hollywood television program, being exposed to so
Speaker 1: much so, how did he find humility? He gets candid
Speaker 1: about that and so much more. Talk about the state
Speaker 1: of the country as well, what they're trying to do
Speaker 1: to kids, all that and more with Kirk Cameron.
Speaker 2: Stay with us.
Speaker 1: Kurt cameraon It's such an honor to have you on
Speaker 1: the show. I really appreciate you making the time.
Speaker 3: Oh my pleasure, Thanks for having me.
Speaker 1: You're out with a new book called Pride Comes Before
Speaker 1: the Fall. It's with Brave Books. I know that you've
Speaker 1: written a book previously with them. Talk a little bit
Speaker 1: about what's the message of the book, why'd you decide
Speaker 1: to write it.
Speaker 3: I've been criss crossing the country since about December of
Speaker 3: last year reading children's stories about wisdom and virtue, and
Speaker 3: I found that people are coming out of the woodwork, parents, grandparents,
Speaker 3: and children to hear stories that are not just fun
Speaker 3: for the family, but actually teach the values that lead
Speaker 3: to a healthy future and blessing for kids. And my
Speaker 3: newest one, Pride Comes Before the Fall, is all about humility,
Speaker 3: and I think that it couldn't come out at a
Speaker 3: better time. We're about to launch into Pride Month, where
Speaker 3: pride is now being celebrated as a virtue when it's not.
Speaker 3: In fact, of the seven Deadly sins, it's the deadliest
Speaker 3: because because pride ultimately makes you self centered, it just
Speaker 3: you know, just drop it into any relationship and think
Speaker 3: of how a prideful person makes you feel. They're all
Speaker 3: about themselves. You don't want a husband like that. You
Speaker 3: don't want a spouse like that. You don't want to
Speaker 3: teach that do. You want them to be humble and kind,
Speaker 3: thinking of others first. So that's what this story is
Speaker 3: all about. And it's it's kind of like a it's
Speaker 3: a little annoying, a little disturbing to some people who
Speaker 3: really want to lean into pride. But I want to
Speaker 3: lean into the virtues that bring blessing to our country
Speaker 3: into the next generation. And that's why I'm reading it
Speaker 3: in public libraries all over the country.
Speaker 1: Kirk, you realize that you were talking about humility and
Speaker 1: to encourage people to not be self centered in the
Speaker 1: age of TikTok and the and the age of influencing,
Speaker 1: in the age of posting pictures for likes?
Speaker 2: What do you think that does to young people? This
Speaker 2: society that we live in.
Speaker 1: We're you know, we're living for likes and we're living
Speaker 1: for the fake accepted of others.
Speaker 3: I had a pride problem when I was seventeen, eighteen,
Speaker 3: nineteen years old on growing Pains. Think of it here.
Speaker 3: I am a teenage kid who's now famous, who's on
Speaker 3: a television show making money. It is so easy to
Speaker 3: think that the world revolves around you. In fact, that
Speaker 3: that's the stereotype of celebrities. And I think that's what
Speaker 3: social media has done, is turn everyone into a celebrity
Speaker 3: in their own everyone's a star in the movie about themselves,
Speaker 3: on their own TikTok or on their own Instagram. And
Speaker 3: pride is something that is so dangerous that it destroys marriages,
Speaker 3: it destroys families, and it destroys countries. And that's not hyperbole.
Speaker 3: When a country rips prayer out of schools, makes the
Speaker 3: Ten Commandments illegal in courtrooms, and replaces the morality that
Speaker 3: made this the freest, strongest, most generous nation in the world.
Speaker 3: With a morality that says it's okay for men to
Speaker 3: pretend to be women and dance sexually in lingerie in
Speaker 3: front of toddlers, We've got a big problem. And the
Speaker 3: cure for that is humility. The Bible, in fact, devotes
Speaker 3: an entire book called Proverbs to warning about the dangers
Speaker 3: of pride and encouraging the value of humility. And I
Speaker 3: think kids deserve to know the truth about it.
Speaker 1: Why do you think we have become so inward facing
Speaker 1: or we have you know, you talked about some of
Speaker 1: these things that's happening to children. Why are we like this?
Speaker 1: It seems to be a quick acceleration as well. Why
Speaker 1: is it accelerating so quickly.
Speaker 3: I actually don't think it's accelerating quickly. I think it's
Speaker 3: happened over a long time of neglect. In fact, if
Speaker 3: you read the writings of our founders and our forefathers
Speaker 3: and four Mothers, they would tell you that the only
Speaker 3: kind of people who can handle freedom are people who
Speaker 3: love God and have moral integrity. And those two things
Speaker 3: go hand in hand. If you don't continue to nourish
Speaker 3: that in succeeding generations, you wind up with immoral people
Speaker 3: who think that they can play God themselves. And so
Speaker 3: you wind up over time with that monster of pride
Speaker 3: that rejects God and tries to assert itself as the
Speaker 3: as the standard maker. And we get to a place
Speaker 3: where we mutilate children's bodies in the name of gender
Speaker 3: affirming care. We do all sorts of things that you
Speaker 3: and I look at and say, this is abhorrent, this
Speaker 3: is lewd, this is crazy. How did we get here? Well,
Speaker 3: I think it's been a slow grow over time, and
Speaker 3: it's been under the radar and it's been convenient because
Speaker 3: public schools are a really nice babysitter, and when we're
Speaker 3: not watching what's happening, our children can be led astray,
Speaker 3: and the whole culture can go down the tubes as
Speaker 3: long as we are comfortable with entertainment and distractions. So
Speaker 3: I think that's exactly what's happened, and now we're reaping
Speaker 3: the benefit. I'm sorry, the results of not carefully caring
Speaker 3: for the values and the faith in this country.
Speaker 1: Let's take a quick commercial break more with Kirk Cameron.
Speaker 1: Isn't the transgender stuff a mocking of God? To say
Speaker 1: that you're to mock God's creation?
Speaker 3: I think that it's finally dawning on people. It's like
Speaker 3: more and more people are being red pilled and they're
Speaker 3: recognizing that they have been living in a woke matrix.
Speaker 3: And now they're saying, wait a minute. We have men
Speaker 3: who are pretending to be women and saying that they're
Speaker 3: real women, And how is that not erasing womanhood altogether?
Speaker 3: How is that not mocking women? And how are people
Speaker 3: not waking up to this universally? I mean, we wouldn't
Speaker 3: let women strippers and poll dancers gyrate in front of children.
Speaker 3: In public libraries, but will let men who pretend to
Speaker 3: be women and dress up in exaggerations of femininity gyrate
Speaker 3: and touch children. And we call that diversity and inclusion
Speaker 3: and tolerance. So it gets weirder and weirder. It's like
Speaker 3: the freak show at the circus. And my hope and
Speaker 3: my prayer is that when more and more people speak
Speaker 3: the truth and get us back to the plumb line
Speaker 3: for morality and politics and faith, that we can course
Speaker 3: correct before this country goes over the falls.
Speaker 2: It's being celebrated.
Speaker 1: I mean, you look at what the LA Dodgers are
Speaker 1: doing with the Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence, this LGBTQ transgender group.
Speaker 1: They pull dance on a cross depicting Jesus. You know,
Speaker 1: they push views in favor of abortion rights, you know,
Speaker 1: a mocking of faith. But they're doing it in plain sight.
Speaker 1: I mean, they're they're going to be doing this in
Speaker 1: Pride month.
Speaker 3: That's right. So what I'm trying to do is be
Speaker 3: the kind of person that doesn't just complain about what's wrong,
Speaker 3: but actually creates the culture we want for our kids.
Speaker 3: As I travel the country, I've found there two different
Speaker 3: kinds of people reporters and reformers, and they're not the same.
Speaker 3: Reporters talk about the hypocrisy that they see, they're saying,
Speaker 3: this is crazy. Wake up, Wake up. But it takes
Speaker 3: a certain kind of person to actually come up with
Speaker 3: a solution and have the moral grip to stand against
Speaker 3: the opposition and then have a real ground game to
Speaker 3: make a change. And when I go back through history,
Speaker 3: the heroes that made all the difference, that abolished slavery,
Speaker 3: or established women's rights, or resisted tyranny and set up
Speaker 3: a free, constitutional republic like ours, these were reformers. They
Speaker 3: weren't just armchair quarterbacks, you know, typing away in their
Speaker 3: basement to get likes and clicks. These are people who
Speaker 3: are actually making changes. And the truth is we see
Speaker 3: people on the left, progressives who are doing lots of reforming.
Speaker 3: They're reforming morality, they're reforming politics. They're reforming the economy,
Speaker 3: not in a good way. In fact, that kind of
Speaker 3: of reformation is really deformation. They're deforming families. They're deforming government,
Speaker 3: which was designed to protect property, now it's plundering property.
Speaker 3: They're deforming children, and even the very concept of what
Speaker 3: it means to be a man or a woman or human,
Speaker 3: and all this is happening on the watch of good
Speaker 3: people who are sitting back and maybe thinking this will pass.
Speaker 3: It's really not that bad. Let's not overreact. It's just
Speaker 3: conspiracy theory. But I've found that the difference between a
Speaker 3: conspiracy theory and the truth has been about six months
Speaker 3: and ever since COVID. I think the curtain is being
Speaker 3: pulled back and people are now starting to realize what's
Speaker 3: going on. There is an coordinated effort to fundamentally destabilize
Speaker 3: America and reorganizer according to an entirely different system.
Speaker 1: A lot of people live in fear, and to some degree, you'll,
Speaker 1: rightfully so when you look at it. I know that
Speaker 1: on one of your engagements and speaking at Seattle Public Library,
Speaker 1: you brought along Joe Kennedy, the high school football coach
Speaker 1: who has fired for praying with students at games. You know,
Speaker 1: Fortunately he's been reinstated as a result of the Supreme
Speaker 1: Court case ruling in favor of him. But people see that,
Speaker 1: you know, and I think the intention is for people
Speaker 1: to live in fear, to speak out about their faith,
Speaker 1: to live out their faith.
Speaker 2: I mean, the point is the fear.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Fear is a great motivator, and so we should
Speaker 3: all have our spidy senses, making the hair on our
Speaker 3: arms and backs stand up when we hear a government
Speaker 3: that is becoming more and more authoritarian say things like
Speaker 3: you must do this for your safety. We are here
Speaker 3: to help keep you safe, and we see this everywhere.
Speaker 3: We're going to educate your children because we're the professionals.
Speaker 3: Don't worry about the drag queens grooming your children. Don't
Speaker 3: worry about vaccines that are clearly causing problems. We're the
Speaker 3: government and we're here to keep you safe. And while
Speaker 3: people are stuck in their houses because they've been infected
Speaker 3: with the fear virus, which is far worse than any
Speaker 3: COVID virus, the fear virus, it actually causes people to
Speaker 3: give up the most precious thing, and that is their
Speaker 3: common sense and their liberties. And I believe it was
Speaker 3: perhaps it was John Adams, one of our founding fathers,
Speaker 3: who said that anyone who is willing to give up
Speaker 3: their liberties for a little safety deserves neither. And that's
Speaker 3: what we see happening. What I say is faith is
Speaker 3: greater than fear. Don't fear the government or those who
Speaker 3: try to pressure you, because there's many more of us
Speaker 3: than there are of them. And if we stand together
Speaker 3: and we're humble and sincere in the cause of what's
Speaker 3: just and true, I think God will come to our aid.
Speaker 3: And in the past, that's when seeing great awakenings and
Speaker 3: great great revivals. We can have a bloodless revolution where
Speaker 3: nobody gets hurt. We don't need a civil war. What
Speaker 3: we need is a revolution of the heart and people
Speaker 3: get back to humility and gratitude. If we do that, man,
Speaker 3: miracles happen.
Speaker 1: You've been touring the United States, reading your book at
Speaker 1: various libraries and talking to people and seeing crowds, and
Speaker 1: what has your experience been like in doing that?
Speaker 2: You know, what are you seeing?
Speaker 1: What does it tell you about America with this journey
Speaker 1: that you've been on.
Speaker 3: Well since I've been reading these children's books, which are
Speaker 3: part of a whole series of books at Brave Books.
Speaker 3: And I love this company because they're on a mission
Speaker 3: to take back not just story hour in public libraries,
Speaker 3: but every minute of every day for parents to stay
Speaker 3: in charge and be in the lead with what their
Speaker 3: kids are learning. So they have all sorts of books
Speaker 3: and my experience has been that parents and grandparents are
Speaker 3: coming out of the woodwork. Perception is not reality. The
Speaker 3: perception is that the whole world is moving away from
Speaker 3: pro god, pro America values, and that's just not true.
Speaker 3: I'm actually on the ground in thousands of schools and
Speaker 3: churches and conferences all over the country, and what I
Speaker 3: find is that it's an elite minority that is shoving
Speaker 3: an agenda and a perception through the media that does
Speaker 3: not reflect the values of the people, but it is
Speaker 3: influencing their values, especially the young people. And what we
Speaker 3: need to do is speak the truth, and we need
Speaker 3: to be bold about it, and we need to get involved,
Speaker 3: not stay out of the messy places like Hollywood and
Speaker 3: entertainment and media. Good people need to go into those
Speaker 3: places and assume leadership roles. That's how we turn the
Speaker 3: ship around before it goes over the falls. And that's
Speaker 3: what I'm trying to do in my humble little way
Speaker 3: of reading children's books at public libraries.
Speaker 1: And it's really children who have been under attack. You know,
Speaker 1: it's children who've been under attack, whether it's an adult
Speaker 1: in the name of you know, being a drag queen
Speaker 1: or whatever it is you know, twerking in front of
Speaker 1: a children, or you know, sexualizing children. It's children that
Speaker 1: are the brunt of the attack of this transgender movement
Speaker 1: and trying to transition young people, telling them that who
Speaker 1: they are, how God made them is not good enough.
Speaker 1: You know, it's children who are being aborted and massed
Speaker 1: in the United States.
Speaker 2: You know it's children who are under attack. Why do
Speaker 2: you think there is a targeting of children happening.
Speaker 3: Playing the long game is always more effective than the
Speaker 3: short game. Right. Quick results are often exciting to see
Speaker 3: in your lifetime, but if you're willing to invest in
Speaker 3: the next generation, the change can be much more long lasting.
Speaker 3: And that's what everyone who's really interested in building culture
Speaker 3: knows is that you've got to start with the children.
Speaker 3: And frankly, that's why God gave boys and girls to
Speaker 3: moms and dads, not to governments, because moms and dads
Speaker 3: really love their children. There's something about a mom and
Speaker 3: a dad that is willing to be self sacrificing for
Speaker 3: their children and take less in order to give more
Speaker 3: to their kids. But governments, particularly authoritative governments, see children
Speaker 3: as simply a means to an end, and they're the
Speaker 3: most easily deceived and the most easily impressionable. Their sweet
Speaker 3: little young minds get brainwashed with this leftist propaganda, and
Speaker 3: in forty years that's the new normal. They've created the
Speaker 3: new community, and they've never known anything else because they
Speaker 3: were on their tablet, watching TikTok and Instagram and spending
Speaker 3: seven hours a day in public schools, five days a
Speaker 3: week for twelve years. And then you can finish them
Speaker 3: off and really make them into little statist lemmings if
Speaker 3: you send them to college and graduate school. This kind
Speaker 3: of worldview is baked into math, science, English history and
Speaker 3: everything else. So it's smart to target children. That's why
Speaker 3: people like Hitler did it. That's why we see destroyers
Speaker 3: of liberty doing it in our public libraries. And that's
Speaker 3: why parents need to take back their role as the
Speaker 3: chief influencer in their children's lives so that they can
Speaker 3: preserve their future.
Speaker 1: You know, there's been some Democrats that have outright, you know,
Speaker 1: said it, but I really do believe there's an effort
Speaker 1: under the way to have the government to intervene between
Speaker 1: children and their parents and to turn the Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yes, oh, they already are. I mean, we've already got
Speaker 3: that I talked to a mom the other day in
Speaker 3: Minneapolis at a homeschool convention, and these are out of
Speaker 3: the box thinkers, brave trailblazers who say enough with all
Speaker 3: this garbage in the public school. And she was just
Speaker 3: talking about a bill that was just approved, I believe,
Speaker 3: by their governor that said if a child comes to
Speaker 3: their teacher and says, my parents would not allow me
Speaker 3: to have a gender change operation, that the state will
Speaker 3: come in and remove that child from the parents and
Speaker 3: keep them in a government housing facility until all the
Speaker 3: work is done in order to quote unquote protect the
Speaker 3: children from the negative influences of their parents. So this
Speaker 3: is already happening.
Speaker 1: To children, I know, and as adults we have an
Speaker 1: obligation to stand up and to protect them.
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, they're they're innocent. You know, we
Speaker 2: need to keep them.
Speaker 1: And that's what's really sad in all this is there's
Speaker 1: a loss of innocence with young people, and it's you know,
Speaker 1: they're told that the world's going to end in ten years.
Speaker 1: They're told they're not good enough the way God made them.
Speaker 1: They're told that they should hate themselves based off of
Speaker 1: the color of their skin. And I just I feel
Speaker 1: like we're or even just parents taking their kids to
Speaker 1: be exposed to some you know, to drag queens. And
Speaker 1: it's just we're taking the innoc sense from young people
Speaker 1: and that it makes me so sad.
Speaker 3: It is sad. But I think what we need to
Speaker 3: do is we need to channel all of that sadness
Speaker 3: and grief, all of that outrage and embarrassment, and recognize
Speaker 3: one thing. All this happened on our watch and on
Speaker 3: our parents watched, so grandparents and parents ought to be
Speaker 3: the most motivated to turn things around. I don't think
Speaker 3: it's inevitable that America is going to decline and all
Speaker 3: of our children are going to you know, turn into
Speaker 3: these you know, half man, half woman, or you know,
Speaker 3: half human half animal creatures. It doesn't have to happen.
Speaker 3: What we need to do is reassert the truth. We
Speaker 3: need to do it in love, and we need to
Speaker 3: lead by example. I don't think our hope comes from
Speaker 3: the White House. I think it comes from your house,
Speaker 3: at the dinner table, in the living room, when you're
Speaker 3: with your kids, leading by example. And when we do that,
Speaker 3: I think that there is lots of hope for the
Speaker 3: future and that's not just pie in the sky. Hope.
Speaker 3: When we die, we go to heaven. I think there
Speaker 3: have been times, not only in America, but in the
Speaker 3: rest of the world where things were far worse than this.
Speaker 3: People of faith were thrown to lions, impaled on polls,
Speaker 3: and lit on fire to be human torches for gladiatorial games.
Speaker 3: These were good people who were called criminals because of
Speaker 3: their faith and their love for their family, and they
Speaker 3: tried to resist a tyrannical government. We haven't seen anything
Speaker 3: yet in America, but it will get there if we
Speaker 3: let the problem fester. But it can turn around, just
Speaker 3: like it has in the past. That's called revival, that's
Speaker 3: called a great awakening. It's happened twice in America. Why
Speaker 3: not now?
Speaker 1: Is that what led you to speak up for liberty
Speaker 1: during COVID Because I know you've received some criticism throughout
Speaker 1: you know, speaking out and all. You know, anytime you're bold,
Speaker 1: you're on the receiving end of criticism. But I know
Speaker 1: that you hosted Christmas caroling gatherings in two thousand, getting
Speaker 1: people together, which you're criticized for. Why did you decide
Speaker 1: to do that, to speak out, to stand up during
Speaker 1: that time during COVID.
Speaker 3: Because I'm afraid of what happens if we don't speak up.
Speaker 3: You look at I keep, I keep mentioning these these
Speaker 3: eras in history. But you know, I've got I've got
Speaker 3: some Taiwanese neighbors. I've got some some Russian Jewish neighbors
Speaker 3: up the street. I've got some Cuban friends at church,
Speaker 3: and all of them tell me the same story. They say,
Speaker 3: we fled our countries because there's no liberty there. There's
Speaker 3: no freedom there. We fled these places and came to
Speaker 3: the heaven of America. And now we feel like we're
Speaker 3: watching a horror movie that we have seen before. And
Speaker 3: what's happening in America. Americans don't recognize what's going on
Speaker 3: because they're they're sort of oblivious, and they just think
Speaker 3: they live in this happy land, this Disneyland kind of
Speaker 3: place where nothing could possibly go wrong. But I recognize
Speaker 3: that when when we when we see evil on the horizon,
Speaker 3: you must talk about it. You must say that it's
Speaker 3: that it's there. And that's why I'm speaking up. You know,
Speaker 3: when they when they say you need to be stuck
Speaker 3: inside of your house after they let strip clubs weed
Speaker 3: shops and abortion clinics open their doors during COVID. I say, bull,
Speaker 3: this is not right. There's something else going on here.
Speaker 3: And so I met at the beach and in parking
Speaker 3: lots during Christmas so that people suffering with depression, anxiety
Speaker 3: and loneliness can come out and sing silent night. They
Speaker 3: can sing God bless America. They can be together with
Speaker 3: people and find some companionship. That's not that's not that's
Speaker 3: not being a super spreader unless you mean a super
Speaker 3: spreader of hope and a spreader of community. I think
Speaker 3: that there is. I think that there's great.
Speaker 4: Immunity in community, and we need to continue changing our
Speaker 4: country by joining forces, get together with people of like
Speaker 4: mind and value and move forward, don't retreat well.
Speaker 1: And I also think that when people step up like
Speaker 1: you and are brave, it does encourage other people to
Speaker 1: do the same. And to your point, you know, with
Speaker 1: building that community, it starts to breed and other people,
Speaker 1: joe In and other people, it leads to more and
Speaker 1: more people speaking up and being bold themselves. You had
Speaker 1: mentioned when you're on growing pains and being so young,
Speaker 1: you know, seventeen to eighteen years old and struggling with pridefulness?
Speaker 1: How did you find humility?
Speaker 3: I grew up with so many young actors, and it's
Speaker 3: rare when an actor on television as a kid grows
Speaker 3: up relatively well adjusted. So many of my friends that
Speaker 3: I auditioned with, like River Phoenix and Corey Haim, both
Speaker 3: of them are no longer with us. There are pressures
Speaker 3: and environments that are so negative and so for me. Honestly,
Speaker 3: I met a girl who I wanted to date, and
Speaker 3: she took me to church. I heard the message of
Speaker 3: the Gospel, which I did not believe. I was an atheist.
Speaker 3: I started asking questions. They were good answers, and I
Speaker 3: came to a place where I started thinking that, you
Speaker 3: know what, one day I'm going to die, and if
Speaker 3: I find out that there's a God in a heaven,
Speaker 3: I'm not going And I love science. I love biology.
Speaker 3: It always fascinated me and it always resonated with me
Speaker 3: that this wasn't just a happy accident, that this was
Speaker 3: beautiful design. And if that's true, that meant that there
Speaker 3: was purpose. And if morality is real, then I'm on
Speaker 3: the hook guilty and I'm going to need some forgiveness.
Speaker 3: One day from the creator of all this, All that
Speaker 3: just made sense to me when I was seventeen, eighteen
Speaker 3: years old, and I think that's what humbled me. And
Speaker 3: learning to be humble and kinds has always been that
Speaker 3: which serves people best, and I'm I'm I'm trying to
Speaker 3: learn that more and more every day.
Speaker 2: It's hard to be kind sometimes, especially when you.
Speaker 3: Want to kill people because because they're harming children and
Speaker 3: they're just trying to they're turning your world upside down.
Speaker 3: But yeah, what we find is that those who are
Speaker 3: doing those things, that's actually what they want want us
Speaker 3: to do. They want us to get angry, they want
Speaker 3: us to fight, because if they can get us to
Speaker 3: fight one another against across racial lines, across religious lines,
Speaker 3: across you know, the lines of whether or not you've
Speaker 3: been vaccinated, whether or not you know, you post the
Speaker 3: black square for BLM or the rainbow for Pride month,
Speaker 3: then people actually weaken the country. They become divided, and
Speaker 3: a house divided against itself is easily conquered. So I say,
Speaker 3: we need to stick together, and we need to rally
Speaker 3: around the values that make us strong.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I'm not going to lie.
Speaker 1: I definitely struggle with bitterness sometimes in this and getting
Speaker 1: angry and you know, because sure we all yeah, because well,
Speaker 1: you know, working in the media, I'm constantly exposed to
Speaker 1: all this, and so I'm constantly having to you know,
Speaker 1: read and pay attention to all these terrible things that
Speaker 1: are happening in the country. And it's hard sometimes to
Speaker 1: check myself because you do get angry, you know, you
Speaker 1: do get frustrated with what they're trying to do.
Speaker 3: And I think that anger has its place. I think
Speaker 3: hypocritical anger is where we get into trouble. But we
Speaker 3: should have a righteous anger when we see children being harmed,
Speaker 3: when we see something as rare and precious as liberty
Speaker 3: being stolen and people being deceived, I think that should
Speaker 3: make us angry. When innocent children are being slaughtered in
Speaker 3: the womb, I think that should anger us. But we've
Speaker 3: got to course correct the right way, and it starts
Speaker 3: with personal humility and me being a person of integrity myself.
Speaker 3: So before I point fingers at somebody else, I've got
Speaker 3: to look in the mirror. If I can't save my
Speaker 3: own marriage and I'm not willing to fight for my
Speaker 3: spouse and my family, how am I going to save
Speaker 3: the nation. How am I going to fight for a
Speaker 3: country if I'm not willing to fight for what counts
Speaker 3: in my home? And I think once we're faithful in
Speaker 3: small things, God will then allow us to be in
Speaker 3: charge of greater things.
Speaker 1: Quick break, stay with us. So this is part of
Speaker 1: a series. This first book, Pride Comes before the Fall.
Speaker 1: I know you've previously written a children's book with Brave,
Speaker 1: but this is part of a broader series that you're
Speaker 1: doing on the Seven Deadly Sins.
Speaker 2: You know what's next.
Speaker 3: We've We've got these seven Deadly sins, which I think
Speaker 3: are perfect. They're perfect stepping stones that that if you,
Speaker 3: if you, if you embrace these things, they lead toward
Speaker 3: misery and ruin. But if you, if you pull up
Speaker 3: these these these stones of wrath, gluttony, greed, sloth, envy
Speaker 3: and lust, and the biggest one is pride, I think
Speaker 3: that you clear the way for a bright future. So
Speaker 3: we're going to do books on all of these and
Speaker 3: their and their cures. They're antidotes, and the first one
Speaker 3: being pride. Uh is is resolved when you understand and
Speaker 3: embrace humility. Pride is about me feeding the me monster,
Speaker 3: exalting myself me before you, and humility is you before me. Uh.
Speaker 3: I want to be a servant rather than being served,
Speaker 3: and that that's that's just to me. One of the
Speaker 3: one of the great gifts from God is when you
Speaker 3: recognize that it's not all about you. And once you
Speaker 3: live that way, or at least increasingly live that way,
Speaker 3: you find that it attracts others to you. You know,
Speaker 3: your husband and wife they want to be around you more.
Speaker 3: Your kids want to be around you more. When it's
Speaker 3: not all about you and you being better than them,
Speaker 3: it's about you saying, hey, I'm in the same boat
Speaker 3: that you are. We're learning together and how can I
Speaker 3: help you?
Speaker 2: Makes sense?
Speaker 1: And I like that they're children's books too, as we
Speaker 1: you know, talk about sort of the targeting of children,
Speaker 1: and I think it's important to also expose them to
Speaker 1: the things that you're talking about, you know, and to
Speaker 1: sort of preempt some of these things that they're going
Speaker 1: to have to be exposed to and experience in schools.
Speaker 3: And right, yeah, we can't keep our head in the sand.
Speaker 3: That's why I love Brave Books is they have books
Speaker 3: on you know, the dangers of communism, critical race theory.
Speaker 3: They've got great books on God's design for gender. There's
Speaker 3: a book called Elephants or Not Birds, which is a
Speaker 3: fabulous book about an elephant who to sing. And then
Speaker 3: there's a vulture named Culture who tries to convince Kevin
Speaker 3: the elephant that maybe he really is a bird and
Speaker 3: gives them some fake wings and a beak to strap
Speaker 3: on so that he can be essentially a trans bird.
Speaker 3: And Kevin obviously recognizes that he's been lied to, and
Speaker 3: that once he learns that God just made him not
Speaker 3: only an elephant, but a singing elephant, he steps into
Speaker 3: all of his gifts and his talents and he saves
Speaker 3: Freedom Island. And so these are fantastic books that teach
Speaker 3: virtue to your kids and warn them of cultural dangers
Speaker 3: in a way kids can understand. And it's packed with
Speaker 3: games and contests and activities at the back of the
Speaker 3: book that pull your family together for family time and
Speaker 3: reinforce the values in your kids' minds.
Speaker 1: I love that Before we go, is there anything you'd
Speaker 1: like to leave the audience with.
Speaker 3: I want to say thanks to all of the people
Speaker 3: out there who are not just sitting on the couch
Speaker 3: watching Fox News with their head and their crying in
Speaker 3: their Chick fil a soup. Don't do that. That's not helping. Pray.
Speaker 3: Put feet to your faith and get out there and
Speaker 3: do something. Take back your children's education first and foremost,
Speaker 3: lead by example. And if you're looking for just something
Speaker 3: practical to do and you like what I've been doing
Speaker 3: with these public libraries, consider going to Brave books dot
Speaker 3: com and subscribe to the Book of the Month club.
Speaker 3: And what that will do is send a new book
Speaker 3: with a pro god pro America value to your front door,
Speaker 3: and you can read that to the children in your world.
Speaker 3: Maybe it's your kids, your grandkids, or maybe at your
Speaker 3: church or your public library, or your nieces or your nephews.
Speaker 3: But that would be a great thing to do at
Speaker 3: bravebooks dot com.
Speaker 1: And then where can people see your schedule? Because I
Speaker 1: know you're going to libraries, You're going to churches right now.
Speaker 1: So if someone wants to see, hey, is you going
Speaker 1: to be nearby, I want to go, you know, meet them,
Speaker 1: see them where can they kind of where can they
Speaker 1: find that?
Speaker 3: The public of that I'm doing at libraries are posted
Speaker 3: at Brave books dot com, So you can go there,
Speaker 3: you can get a book, you can get my book
Speaker 3: for free when you subscribe, and you can check out
Speaker 3: the calendar. We'll be in Houston, Texans next then we're
Speaker 3: going out to Louden County in Virginia, and after that
Speaker 3: we're going to have a really special event in the
Speaker 3: middle of the summer which is going to be at
Speaker 3: libraries all across the country.
Speaker 2: Well, wonderful.
Speaker 1: I know my parents recently saw you speak at a church.
Speaker 1: You spoke out in Virginia, so they're very they're very
Speaker 1: excited that that I was interviewing you. So and you're
Speaker 1: kind to tell me to tell them that you said hi,
Speaker 1: so they'll be excited about that.
Speaker 3: We got to score points with moms, with mom and dad,
Speaker 3: you know, that's that's right, And they've done a lot
Speaker 3: for us, and so we always yeah solid whenever we can.
Speaker 2: Well, it's kind of tough to raise, so I'm trying
Speaker 2: to really do my.
Speaker 1: Best to pay it back to them. I was a
Speaker 1: little bit of a stubborn kid growing up if you could.
Speaker 3: Have been so, yeah, I know me too, and you
Speaker 3: watch Growing Pains, I basically was Mike Severs. So yeah,
Speaker 3: my dad he went gray early because of me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So I'm trying to pay it back in any
Speaker 2: way I can.
Speaker 3: Well, I think you're doing a great job. You can
Speaker 3: turn on podcast is awesome.
Speaker 1: Thank you, Kirk. I really appreciate it and I appreciate
Speaker 1: you taking the time. Thanks so much.
Speaker 3: All right, keep up the great work.
Speaker 1: That was Kirk Cameron. Appreciate what he's doing, Appreciate his
Speaker 1: voice and all this. I want to thank you guys
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