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Speaker 1: Many of you know Kirk Cameron from his days of

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Speaker 1: playing Mike sever on the ABC sitcom Growing Pains. He's

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Speaker 1: also starred in films and television roles since then. But

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Speaker 1: he has made a name for himself for being bold

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Speaker 1: in his faith, for being a devout Christian, for not

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Speaker 1: being afraid to speak up and speak out about his faith.

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Speaker 1: His first Christian children's book was with Brave Books. It

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Speaker 1: was called You Grow, and he's out with another one.

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Speaker 1: It's called Pride Comes Before the Fall. It's part of

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Speaker 1: a broader series he's doing on the Seven Deadly Sins.

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Speaker 1: So we're going to talk to him about that, talk

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Speaker 1: to him about his walk in faith. Talk to him

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Speaker 1: about when he struggled with Pride on Growing Pains when

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Speaker 1: he was seventeen and eighteen years old working in Hollywood,

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Speaker 1: you know, a Hollywood television program, being exposed to so

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Speaker 1: much so, how did he find humility? He gets candid

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Speaker 1: about that and so much more. Talk about the state

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Speaker 1: of the country as well, what they're trying to do

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Speaker 1: to kids, all that and more with Kirk Cameron.

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Speaker 2: Stay with us.

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Speaker 1: Kurt cameraon It's such an honor to have you on

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Speaker 1: the show. I really appreciate you making the time.

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Speaker 3: Oh my pleasure, Thanks for having me.

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Speaker 1: You're out with a new book called Pride Comes Before

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Speaker 1: the Fall. It's with Brave Books. I know that you've

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Speaker 1: written a book previously with them. Talk a little bit

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Speaker 1: about what's the message of the book, why'd you decide

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Speaker 3: I've been criss crossing the country since about December of

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Speaker 3: last year reading children's stories about wisdom and virtue, and

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Speaker 3: I found that people are coming out of the woodwork, parents, grandparents,

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Speaker 3: and children to hear stories that are not just fun

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Speaker 3: for the family, but actually teach the values that lead

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Speaker 3: to a healthy future and blessing for kids. And my

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Speaker 3: newest one, Pride Comes Before the Fall, is all about humility,

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Speaker 3: and I think that it couldn't come out at a

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Speaker 3: better time. We're about to launch into Pride Month, where

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Speaker 3: pride is now being celebrated as a virtue when it's not.

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Speaker 3: In fact, of the seven Deadly sins, it's the deadliest

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Speaker 3: because because pride ultimately makes you self centered, it just

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Speaker 3: you know, just drop it into any relationship and think

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Speaker 3: of how a prideful person makes you feel. They're all

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Speaker 3: about themselves. You don't want a husband like that. You

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Speaker 3: don't want a spouse like that. You don't want to

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Speaker 3: teach that do. You want them to be humble and kind,

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Speaker 3: thinking of others first. So that's what this story is

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Speaker 3: all about. And it's it's kind of like a it's

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Speaker 3: a little annoying, a little disturbing to some people who

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Speaker 3: really want to lean into pride. But I want to

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Speaker 3: lean into the virtues that bring blessing to our country

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Speaker 3: into the next generation. And that's why I'm reading it

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Speaker 3: in public libraries all over the country.

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Speaker 1: Kirk, you realize that you were talking about humility and

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Speaker 1: to encourage people to not be self centered in the

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Speaker 1: age of TikTok and the and the age of influencing,

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Speaker 2: What do you think that does to young people? This

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Speaker 2: society that we live in.

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Speaker 1: We're you know, we're living for likes and we're living

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Speaker 1: for the fake accepted of others.

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Speaker 3: I had a pride problem when I was seventeen, eighteen,

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Speaker 3: nineteen years old on growing Pains. Think of it here.

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Speaker 3: I am a teenage kid who's now famous, who's on

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Speaker 3: a television show making money. It is so easy to

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Speaker 3: think that the world revolves around you. In fact, that

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Speaker 3: that's the stereotype of celebrities. And I think that's what

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Speaker 3: social media has done, is turn everyone into a celebrity

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Speaker 3: on their own TikTok or on their own Instagram. And

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Speaker 3: pride is something that is so dangerous that it destroys marriages,

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Speaker 3: it destroys families, and it destroys countries. And that's not hyperbole.

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Speaker 3: When a country rips prayer out of schools, makes the

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Speaker 3: Ten Commandments illegal in courtrooms, and replaces the morality that

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Speaker 3: made this the freest, strongest, most generous nation in the world.

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Speaker 3: With a morality that says it's okay for men to

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Speaker 3: front of toddlers, We've got a big problem. And the

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Speaker 3: cure for that is humility. The Bible, in fact, devotes

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Speaker 3: an entire book called Proverbs to warning about the dangers

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Speaker 1: Why do you think we have become so inward facing

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Speaker 1: or we have you know, you talked about some of

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Speaker 1: It seems to be a quick acceleration as well. Why

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Speaker 3: I actually don't think it's accelerating quickly. I think it's

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Speaker 3: happened over a long time of neglect. In fact, if

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Speaker 3: kind of people who can handle freedom are people who

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Speaker 3: love God and have moral integrity. And those two things

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Speaker 3: go hand in hand. If you don't continue to nourish

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Speaker 3: that in succeeding generations, you wind up with immoral people

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Speaker 3: who think that they can play God themselves. And so

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Speaker 3: I think it's been a slow grow over time, and

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Speaker 3: it's been under the radar and it's been convenient because

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Speaker 3: public schools are a really nice babysitter, and when we're

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Speaker 3: not watching what's happening, our children can be led astray,

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Speaker 3: I think that's exactly what's happened, and now we're reaping

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Speaker 3: the benefit. I'm sorry, the results of not carefully caring

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Speaker 3: for the values and the faith in this country.

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Speaker 1: Let's take a quick commercial break more with Kirk Cameron.

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Speaker 1: Isn't the transgender stuff a mocking of God? To say

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Speaker 1: that you're to mock God's creation?

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Speaker 3: I think that it's finally dawning on people. It's like

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Speaker 3: more and more people are being red pilled and they're

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Speaker 3: And now they're saying, wait a minute. We have men

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Speaker 3: How is that not mocking women? And how are people

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Speaker 3: let women strippers and poll dancers gyrate in front of children.

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Speaker 3: In public libraries, but will let men who pretend to

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Speaker 3: and tolerance. So it gets weirder and weirder. It's like

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Speaker 2: It's being celebrated.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you look at what the LA Dodgers are

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Speaker 1: doing with the Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence, this LGBTQ transgender group.

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Speaker 1: They pull dance on a cross depicting Jesus. You know,

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Speaker 1: a mocking of faith. But they're doing it in plain sight.

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Speaker 1: I mean, they're they're going to be doing this in

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Speaker 1: Pride month.

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Speaker 3: That's right. So what I'm trying to do is be

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Speaker 3: the kind of person that doesn't just complain about what's wrong,

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Speaker 3: As I travel the country, I've found there two different

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Speaker 3: kinds of people reporters and reformers, and they're not the same.

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Speaker 3: Reporters talk about the hypocrisy that they see, they're saying,

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Speaker 3: this is crazy. Wake up, Wake up. But it takes

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Speaker 3: a certain kind of person to actually come up with

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Speaker 3: make a change. And when I go back through history,

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Speaker 3: people on the left, progressives who are doing lots of reforming.

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Speaker 3: They're reforming morality, they're reforming politics. They're reforming the economy,

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Speaker 3: not in a good way. In fact, that kind of

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Speaker 3: of reformation is really deformation. They're deforming families. They're deforming government,

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Speaker 3: which was designed to protect property, now it's plundering property.

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Speaker 3: They're deforming children, and even the very concept of what

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Speaker 3: it means to be a man or a woman or human,

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Speaker 3: and all this is happening on the watch of good

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Speaker 3: It's really not that bad. Let's not overreact. It's just

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Speaker 3: conspiracy theory. But I've found that the difference between a

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Speaker 1: A lot of people live in fear, and to some degree, you'll,

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Speaker 1: rightfully so when you look at it. I know that

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Speaker 1: on one of your engagements and speaking at Seattle Public Library,

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Speaker 1: you brought along Joe Kennedy, the high school football coach

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Speaker 1: who has fired for praying with students at games. You know,

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Speaker 1: Fortunately he's been reinstated as a result of the Supreme

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Speaker 1: you know, and I think the intention is for people

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Speaker 2: I mean, the point is the fear.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Fear is a great motivator, and so we should

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Speaker 3: to help keep you safe, and we see this everywhere.

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Speaker 3: We're going to educate your children because we're the professionals.

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Speaker 3: Don't worry about the drag queens grooming your children. Don't

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Speaker 3: worry about vaccines that are clearly causing problems. We're the

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Speaker 3: with the fear virus, which is far worse than any

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Speaker 3: COVID virus, the fear virus, it actually causes people to

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Speaker 3: what we see happening. What I say is faith is

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Speaker 3: greater than fear. Don't fear the government or those who

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Speaker 3: try to pressure you, because there's many more of us

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Speaker 3: and we're humble and sincere in the cause of what's

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Speaker 3: And in the past, that's when seeing great awakenings and

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Speaker 3: great great revivals. We can have a bloodless revolution where

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Speaker 3: nobody gets hurt. We don't need a civil war. What

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Speaker 3: we need is a revolution of the heart and people

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Speaker 3: get back to humility and gratitude. If we do that, man,

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Speaker 3: miracles happen.

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Speaker 1: You've been touring the United States, reading your book at

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Speaker 1: And it's really children who have been under attack. You know,

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Speaker 3: black square for BLM or the rainbow for Pride month,

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Speaker 3: then people actually weaken the country. They become divided, and

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Speaker 3: a house divided against itself is easily conquered. So I say,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I'm not going to lie.

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Speaker 1: I definitely struggle with bitterness sometimes in this and getting

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Speaker 1: do get frustrated with what they're trying to do.

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Speaker 3: And I think that anger has its place. I think

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Speaker 3: hypocritical anger is where we get into trouble. But we

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Speaker 3: should have a righteous anger when we see children being harmed,

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Speaker 3: when we see something as rare and precious as liberty

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Speaker 3: being stolen and people being deceived, I think that should

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Speaker 3: make us angry. When innocent children are being slaughtered in

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Speaker 3: the womb, I think that should anger us. But we've

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Speaker 3: got to course correct the right way, and it starts

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Speaker 3: with personal humility and me being a person of integrity myself.

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Speaker 3: So before I point fingers at somebody else, I've got

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Speaker 3: to look in the mirror. If I can't save my

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Speaker 3: spouse and my family, how am I going to save

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Speaker 3: the nation. How am I going to fight for a

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Speaker 3: country if I'm not willing to fight for what counts

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Speaker 3: in my home? And I think once we're faithful in

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Speaker 3: small things, God will then allow us to be in

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Speaker 3: charge of greater things.

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Speaker 1: Quick break, stay with us. So this is part of

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Speaker 1: a series. This first book, Pride Comes before the Fall.

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Speaker 1: I know you've previously written a children's book with Brave,

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Speaker 1: but this is part of a broader series that you're

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Speaker 1: doing on the Seven Deadly Sins.

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Speaker 2: You know what's next.

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Speaker 3: We've We've got these seven Deadly sins, which I think

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Speaker 3: are perfect. They're perfect stepping stones that that if you,

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Speaker 3: if you, if you embrace these things, they lead toward

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Speaker 3: misery and ruin. But if you, if you pull up

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Speaker 3: these these these stones of wrath, gluttony, greed, sloth, envy

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Speaker 3: and lust, and the biggest one is pride, I think

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Speaker 3: that you clear the way for a bright future. So

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Speaker 3: we're going to do books on all of these and

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Speaker 3: their and their cures. They're antidotes, and the first one

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Speaker 3: being pride. Uh is is resolved when you understand and

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Speaker 3: embrace humility. Pride is about me feeding the me monster,

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Speaker 3: exalting myself me before you, and humility is you before me. Uh.

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Speaker 3: I want to be a servant rather than being served,

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Speaker 3: and that that's that's just to me. One of the

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Speaker 3: one of the great gifts from God is when you

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Speaker 3: recognize that it's not all about you. And once you

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Speaker 3: live that way, or at least increasingly live that way,

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Speaker 3: you find that it attracts others to you. You know,

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Speaker 3: your husband and wife they want to be around you more.

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Speaker 3: Your kids want to be around you more. When it's

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Speaker 3: not all about you and you being better than them,

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Speaker 3: it's about you saying, hey, I'm in the same boat

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Speaker 3: that you are. We're learning together and how can I

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Speaker 3: help you?

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Speaker 2: Makes sense?

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Speaker 1: And I like that they're children's books too, as we

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Speaker 1: you know, talk about sort of the targeting of children,

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Speaker 1: and I think it's important to also expose them to

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Speaker 1: the things that you're talking about, you know, and to

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Speaker 1: sort of preempt some of these things that they're going

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Speaker 1: to have to be exposed to and experience in schools.

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Speaker 3: And right, yeah, we can't keep our head in the sand.

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Speaker 3: That's why I love Brave Books is they have books

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Speaker 3: on you know, the dangers of communism, critical race theory.

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Speaker 3: They've got great books on God's design for gender. There's

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Speaker 3: a book called Elephants or Not Birds, which is a

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Speaker 3: fabulous book about an elephant who to sing. And then

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Speaker 3: there's a vulture named Culture who tries to convince Kevin

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Speaker 3: the elephant that maybe he really is a bird and

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Speaker 3: gives them some fake wings and a beak to strap

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Speaker 3: on so that he can be essentially a trans bird.

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Speaker 3: And Kevin obviously recognizes that he's been lied to, and

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Speaker 3: that once he learns that God just made him not

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Speaker 3: only an elephant, but a singing elephant, he steps into

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Speaker 3: all of his gifts and his talents and he saves

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Speaker 3: Freedom Island. And so these are fantastic books that teach

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Speaker 3: virtue to your kids and warn them of cultural dangers

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Speaker 3: in a way kids can understand. And it's packed with

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Speaker 3: games and contests and activities at the back of the

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Speaker 3: book that pull your family together for family time and

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Speaker 3: reinforce the values in your kids' minds.

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Speaker 1: I love that Before we go, is there anything you'd

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Speaker 1: like to leave the audience with.

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Speaker 3: I want to say thanks to all of the people

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Speaker 3: out there who are not just sitting on the couch

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Speaker 3: watching Fox News with their head and their crying in

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Speaker 3: their Chick fil a soup. Don't do that. That's not helping. Pray.

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Speaker 3: Put feet to your faith and get out there and

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Speaker 3: do something. Take back your children's education first and foremost,

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Speaker 3: lead by example. And if you're looking for just something

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Speaker 3: practical to do and you like what I've been doing

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Speaker 3: with these public libraries, consider going to Brave books dot

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Speaker 3: com and subscribe to the Book of the Month club.

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Speaker 3: And what that will do is send a new book

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Speaker 3: with a pro god pro America value to your front door,

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Speaker 3: and you can read that to the children in your world.

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Speaker 3: Maybe it's your kids, your grandkids, or maybe at your

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Speaker 3: church or your public library, or your nieces or your nephews.

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Speaker 3: But that would be a great thing to do at

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Speaker 3: bravebooks dot com.

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Speaker 1: And then where can people see your schedule? Because I

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Speaker 1: know you're going to libraries, You're going to churches right now.

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Speaker 1: So if someone wants to see, hey, is you going

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Speaker 1: to be nearby, I want to go, you know, meet them,

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Speaker 1: see them where can they kind of where can they

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Speaker 1: find that?

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Speaker 3: The public of that I'm doing at libraries are posted

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Speaker 3: at Brave books dot com, So you can go there,

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Speaker 3: you can get a book, you can get my book

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Speaker 3: for free when you subscribe, and you can check out

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Speaker 3: the calendar. We'll be in Houston, Texans next then we're

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Speaker 3: going out to Louden County in Virginia, and after that

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Speaker 3: we're going to have a really special event in the

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Speaker 3: middle of the summer which is going to be at

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Speaker 3: libraries all across the country.

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Speaker 2: Well, wonderful.

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Speaker 1: I know my parents recently saw you speak at a church.

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Speaker 1: You spoke out in Virginia, so they're very they're very

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Speaker 1: excited that that I was interviewing you. So and you're

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Speaker 1: kind to tell me to tell them that you said hi,

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Speaker 1: so they'll be excited about that.

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Speaker 3: We got to score points with moms, with mom and dad,

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Speaker 3: you know, that's that's right, And they've done a lot

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Speaker 3: for us, and so we always yeah solid whenever we can.

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Speaker 2: Well, it's kind of tough to raise, so I'm trying

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Speaker 2: to really do my.

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Speaker 1: Best to pay it back to them. I was a

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Speaker 1: little bit of a stubborn kid growing up if you could.

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Speaker 3: Have been so, yeah, I know me too, and you

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Speaker 3: watch Growing Pains, I basically was Mike Severs. So yeah,

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Speaker 3: my dad he went gray early because of me.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So I'm trying to pay it back in any

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Speaker 2: way I can.

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Speaker 3: Well, I think you're doing a great job. You can

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Speaker 3: turn on podcast is awesome.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, Kirk. I really appreciate it and I appreciate

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Speaker 1: you taking the time. Thanks so much.

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Speaker 3: All right, keep up the great work.

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Speaker 1: That was Kirk Cameron. Appreciate what he's doing, Appreciate his

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Speaker 1: voice and all this. I want to thank you guys

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Speaker 1: for listening to the show every Monday and Thursday, but

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Speaker 1: you can listen throughout the week. I want to think

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Speaker 1: John Cass, who my producer, for putting the show together.

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Speaker 1: Please leave us a review, give us a rating on

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Speaker 1: Apple Podcast. I love to look at those. Until next time,