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Speaker 1: Hello, welcome to it could happen here the podcast that

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Speaker 1: is my podcast. Now. I'm your host, Margaret Kiljoy, and

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Speaker 1: with me is the Webby Award winning Sophie Lichterman as

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Speaker 1: our producer, as well as the actual hosts of the show,

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Speaker 1: who go without mentioning because I don't see any reason

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Speaker 1: to include them. Can that just be the intro to

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Speaker 1: every episode from now? This is better than our all

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Speaker 1: of our regular intros. Oh I loved that. Um yeah,

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Speaker 1: so what are we talking about today? Also on podcast,

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Speaker 1: Garrison Davis and Christopher Wong. Hello, yes, so so today

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Speaker 1: we are we are talking about the sort of long

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Speaker 1: and incredibly tragic history of Japanese anarchism. Well, okay, actually

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Speaker 1: Japanese anarchism before World War two, because after we were

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Speaker 1: two is an entirely different story. And as much as

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Speaker 1: I love people in construction helmets just like beating the

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Speaker 1: ship out of cops with large sticks, Uh, that story

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Speaker 1: is extremely complicated if you want to hear read, Uh,

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Speaker 1: talk more about that story a little bit. Uh. The

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Speaker 1: third part of my Nobasikikishi episode has a lot of

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Speaker 1: people in construction help us with sticks. But you know

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Speaker 1: this is you know Okay said that the history of

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Speaker 1: anarchism generally is the history of tragedy, but even by

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Speaker 1: by anarchist standards, the the history of Japanese anarchism is

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Speaker 1: just an absolute welter of heartbreak and loss. Um. Out

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Speaker 1: of all of the people that we're going to talk

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Speaker 1: about today, exactly one of the non Russian anarchist is

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Speaker 1: going to live to see world the end of World

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Speaker 1: War two, and he's Korean. Every single other person is

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Speaker 1: either going to be executed by the state, assassinated, killed themselves,

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Speaker 1: drink themselves to death. So this is uh, this is

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Speaker 1: this is an ex bleak story in a lot of ways.

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Speaker 1: Good to have one of those optimistic episodes every once

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Speaker 1: in a while. Yeah, you know, I mean I think

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Speaker 1: the gets thrown down a well. Uh well, okay, it's

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Speaker 1: it's unclear whether anyone got thrown down away. I'm sorry,

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Speaker 1: I'm skipping ahead and I don't actually know. Well, we will,

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Speaker 1: we will get to the wells uh yeah. I also okay,

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Speaker 1: so there's a lot of Japanese anarchists and we don't

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Speaker 1: have that much time. So if you're like in a

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Speaker 1: sawa u sakataro, stand um, I'm sorry. We can't cover

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Speaker 1: all of them. Do you ever think about the history

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Speaker 1: of anarchists in Japan. That is weird is that the

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Speaker 1: beginning of the story pre dates they're actually being anarchists

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Speaker 1: in Japan, or specifically they're being Japanese anarchists. Um. There's

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Speaker 1: this huge degree of sort of like cultural exchange and

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Speaker 1: in this period is like this is like the hotbed

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Speaker 1: of anarchism, right, Like they're they're killing, they're killing those

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Speaker 1: are they're they're they're doing all the things. They're going

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Speaker 1: anarchists wind up Like in Japan, baccun In is there

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Speaker 1: for like he like he has some extremely complicated arrangement

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Speaker 1: all things Baccunan are, but the most problem in anarchists

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Speaker 1: like they like, they're there's some the people who were

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Speaker 1: involved in the Soviet like rocket programs, and they're doing

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Speaker 1: so they can fit all of the dead Poleteraria, They're

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Speaker 1: gonna bring back to life. Wait, are you telling the

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Speaker 1: truth to me? This is this is all true. This

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Speaker 1: is amazing. I've been trying to fight for the Anarchist

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Speaker 1: That's that's It's incredible. But yeah, no, like the Russian cosmism,

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Speaker 1: it's a weird one cosmism. It's like a weird mix

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Speaker 1: the very beginning of the twentieth century. It's it's part

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Speaker 1: He like when I talked about this in my podcast,

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Speaker 1: what he brought to the world in terms of rocketry

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Speaker 1: and manned rocket travel. Anyway, please continue, and what on

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Speaker 1: what show? Margaret? Well, okay, is this podcast that I'm

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Speaker 1: are you listening to it, dear readers? Okay, well, then

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Speaker 1: next Monday you can listen to cool people who did

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Speaker 1: cool stuff, which is my podcast. Yeah, I'm so good

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Speaker 1: at my job. Anyway, My job is to interrupt you

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Speaker 1: with please tell me more about the cosmos and how

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Speaker 1: well like it, except weirdly this one guy is doing better.

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Speaker 1: in founding the Japanese Socialist Party and then he gets

424
00:23:56,760 --> 00:24:00,960
Speaker 1: like arrested and sent to the US and something happens

425
00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:02,760
Speaker 1: when he's in you. I don't know, there's I've seen

426
00:24:02,800 --> 00:24:05,280
Speaker 1: like sis conflicting accounts, Like I've seen accounts to say

427
00:24:05,280 --> 00:24:07,879
Speaker 1: he joins he joins the I w W. I I

428
00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:09,639
Speaker 1: don't know. I've seen other people said he lived, he

429
00:24:09,680 --> 00:24:11,960
Speaker 1: lived in a commune, like he definitely read pocket, he

430
00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:14,119
Speaker 1: like becomes an anarchist. Let's decide he did all of

431
00:24:14,160 --> 00:24:16,960
Speaker 1: these things. Yeah, lived in a commune and tried to

432
00:24:17,040 --> 00:24:20,840
Speaker 1: organize the commedy with the I WW but you know,

433
00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:22,960
Speaker 1: I mean he he this guy is enormously influential in

434
00:24:22,960 --> 00:24:25,240
Speaker 1: history of Japanese left. Like he's the guy with when

435
00:24:25,280 --> 00:24:26,960
Speaker 1: he comes back and actually know six, he's the guy

436
00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:30,840
Speaker 1: who introduced the concept of the general strike Japan. Like

437
00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:33,680
Speaker 1: he's the first guy to write about it. He's very cool.

438
00:24:33,760 --> 00:24:36,080
Speaker 1: He he also like yeah, you know, he's he starts

439
00:24:36,080 --> 00:24:38,520
Speaker 1: pushing this and started this. He starts pushing anarchism in

440
00:24:38,520 --> 00:24:40,680
Speaker 1: sort of direct action as like instead of like doing

441
00:24:40,680 --> 00:24:43,960
Speaker 1: parliamentary stuff. And he translates like Corpocket's work in the

442
00:24:44,040 --> 00:24:47,160
Speaker 1: Japanese he translates the like the comedy's manifesto. He says,

443
00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:49,240
Speaker 1: labor organizing. He's sort of like all over the place,

444
00:24:49,440 --> 00:24:52,919
Speaker 1: and you know, like labor and the anti war movement

445
00:24:52,920 --> 00:24:55,840
Speaker 1: are like two of the big currents are proucing anarchists.

446
00:24:55,840 --> 00:24:58,840
Speaker 1: But the the other like big current that's making anarchists

447
00:24:58,880 --> 00:25:05,399
Speaker 1: this period is feminism. Because okay, so I stop me

448
00:25:05,440 --> 00:25:07,639
Speaker 1: if this isn't any way surprising, but the late eighteen

449
00:25:07,720 --> 00:25:09,679
Speaker 1: hundreds and early neteen hunters are not a time to

450
00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:14,359
Speaker 1: be a woman in Japan. Really. Yeah, it's not a

451
00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:17,600
Speaker 1: good time like anywhere, but it's not not even now,

452
00:25:17,640 --> 00:25:21,359
Speaker 1: it's not the best. Yeah, I mean I will be improved.

453
00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:24,120
Speaker 1: I will say it's it's it's better than this. This

454
00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:29,800
Speaker 1: is like sure, like the major regime is sort of

455
00:25:29,840 --> 00:25:32,560
Speaker 1: like consultating self as just consultating itself. It gets like

456
00:25:32,680 --> 00:25:37,400
Speaker 1: progressively more like patriarchal, misogynist. I'm gonna I'm gonna read

457
00:25:37,400 --> 00:25:39,840
Speaker 1: from the book Reflections on the Way to the Gallows,

458
00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:41,720
Speaker 1: which is this. It's a great book. It's it's an

459
00:25:41,760 --> 00:25:45,640
Speaker 1: awesome a collection of Yeah, well so that that's uh,

460
00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:51,440
Speaker 1: how god, I forget one of the Japanese anarchists who's

461
00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:53,600
Speaker 1: about to die, Like that's the title of like a

462
00:25:53,600 --> 00:25:58,119
Speaker 1: piece that she wrote. Um, and they this book is

463
00:25:58,160 --> 00:26:01,119
Speaker 1: like a collection of of Japanese feminist writings, mostly from

464
00:26:01,119 --> 00:26:02,920
Speaker 1: people who get killed by the state, because that's what

465
00:26:02,920 --> 00:26:07,320
Speaker 1: happens when your feminist Japan this period. Um oh yeah,

466
00:26:07,359 --> 00:26:09,679
Speaker 1: it's bad, okay, So I'm gonna read the quote from this.

467
00:26:09,800 --> 00:26:13,800
Speaker 1: In two the government forbid women to make political speeches,

468
00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:16,480
Speaker 1: and in eighteen ninety made it illegal for women to

469
00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:20,760
Speaker 1: participate in political activities whatsoever. Women were forbidden to even

470
00:26:20,800 --> 00:26:25,800
Speaker 1: listen to political speeches. The Police Security Regulations of reinforced

471
00:26:25,800 --> 00:26:29,280
Speaker 1: these strictures. Article five of the regulations prohibited women from

472
00:26:29,320 --> 00:26:34,800
Speaker 1: forming any political organization whatsoever. Jesus. Yeah, it's like that's

473
00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:38,280
Speaker 1: like a level of restriction that like I'm not sure

474
00:26:38,320 --> 00:26:43,600
Speaker 1: I've ever seen like that explicit level of no, you

475
00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:47,560
Speaker 1: can't do this. Yeah, I feel like it's usually implicit

476
00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:49,840
Speaker 1: in a lot of Western tries. And then also, like

477
00:26:50,320 --> 00:26:52,280
Speaker 1: one of the things that really strikes sticks out to

478
00:26:52,280 --> 00:26:53,879
Speaker 1: me about that is that I'm so used to thinking

479
00:26:53,920 --> 00:26:56,199
Speaker 1: about I think people tend to think about like this

480
00:26:56,280 --> 00:26:59,479
Speaker 1: like linear progress model, where like you go back really far,

481
00:26:59,680 --> 00:27:02,720
Speaker 1: like all women and all other oppressed categories had it

482
00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:04,840
Speaker 1: terrible and then it just slowly gets better or whatever.

483
00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:07,640
Speaker 1: But if they're passing these laws in nine hundred, there's

484
00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:11,880
Speaker 1: an implicit it was a little better before. Yeah, yeah,

485
00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:15,679
Speaker 1: it's very specifically gets worse on them. Like so one

486
00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:18,720
Speaker 1: of the things with the eighteen ninety legal coaches that

487
00:27:18,760 --> 00:27:22,000
Speaker 1: didn't like it literally just legally enshrines like patriarch control

488
00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:24,880
Speaker 1: the households and this this is this is a massive

489
00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:27,680
Speaker 1: reactionary shift in jack in Sert of Jeoparanese like domestic

490
00:27:28,119 --> 00:27:31,159
Speaker 1: and political culture like this, like that that kind of

491
00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:33,440
Speaker 1: patriarchal control. The household was like a thing in some

492
00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:36,919
Speaker 1: Samurai families, but like it wasn't a thing for there's

493
00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:38,840
Speaker 1: a huge number of popular classes like just that didn't

494
00:27:38,840 --> 00:27:44,040
Speaker 1: exist and they just legislated into existence. And like you know,

495
00:27:44,040 --> 00:27:45,640
Speaker 1: I mean like the things that the things that they're

496
00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:49,359
Speaker 1: applying here, like women need consent of their father to marry.

497
00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:51,919
Speaker 1: Um is for another quote for the book, one of

498
00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:54,960
Speaker 1: the provisions held that quote cripples and disabled persons and

499
00:27:55,040 --> 00:28:00,439
Speaker 1: wives cannot undertake any legal action. Fucking huh. Yeah. So

500
00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:02,640
Speaker 1: this is this is this is an incredibly reactionary state.

501
00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:04,840
Speaker 1: And there's also like there's a lot of sex trafficking

502
00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:07,600
Speaker 1: going on, like like actual like there's a lot of

503
00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:11,080
Speaker 1: people just being grabbed off the street. Um. It's a

504
00:28:11,280 --> 00:28:14,800
Speaker 1: it's a it is a disaster, and it is into

505
00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:18,560
Speaker 1: this patriarchal mess that like several generations of Japanese ARCA

506
00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:21,880
Speaker 1: feminists step into. Um. The most famous of the first

507
00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:26,960
Speaker 1: round is Kano Sugako, who's she She's a socialist author

508
00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:32,320
Speaker 1: who conversed to She's originally Scius listen and she conversed anarchism,

509
00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:33,480
Speaker 1: which is like a thing that happens a lot in

510
00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:36,680
Speaker 1: this period. And she she's working as a journalist and

511
00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:39,320
Speaker 1: you know she she's she's like she's a very sort

512
00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:42,479
Speaker 1: of controversial figure in the government like hates her. So

513
00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:45,440
Speaker 1: she meets Kotuku and they have an affair. And this

514
00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:47,240
Speaker 1: is like one of the other things that keeps happening

515
00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:49,160
Speaker 1: here is there's a lot of like free love stuff

516
00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:52,760
Speaker 1: going around the Japanese anarchist circle at this time. And

517
00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:54,520
Speaker 1: this this has two consect which is one is a

518
00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:56,480
Speaker 1: lot of men use it to be really shitty and

519
00:28:57,080 --> 00:28:59,640
Speaker 1: means there was like there is a again this is

520
00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:01,479
Speaker 1: this is this is the big like nothing has ever

521
00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:05,000
Speaker 1: changed the anchist movement. There are so many relationship drama

522
00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:09,080
Speaker 1: things nothing. There are so many times this last circle,

523
00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:13,720
Speaker 1: like like there are two different times when the most

524
00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:16,760
Speaker 1: famous Japanese anchist man and the most famous Japanese anecists

525
00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:19,320
Speaker 1: women wind up in a relationship. It ends with it

526
00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:21,840
Speaker 1: with them explaining the movement and then both dying in prison.

527
00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:30,400
Speaker 1: Like this happens twice. Exact sequence happens twice. It's nuts,

528
00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:33,040
Speaker 1: like they're they're just they're just doing polyquel ship like

529
00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:41,440
Speaker 1: it's oh, they just need better mediators. Yeah, well, I

530
00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:43,360
Speaker 1: mean this is this is the thing with like the

531
00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:46,480
Speaker 1: Japanese like the Japanese anchist movement like has a huge

532
00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:50,040
Speaker 1: feminist wing, but like the men still suck, like you

533
00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:54,040
Speaker 1: just keep being bad. And so you know when you

534
00:29:54,040 --> 00:29:57,400
Speaker 1: ever thing about this is that Kano Sukako is like

535
00:29:58,120 --> 00:30:01,320
Speaker 1: enormously more militant than like almost every other any other

536
00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:03,960
Speaker 1: anarchists that's alive in Japan at this point. And so

537
00:30:04,280 --> 00:30:05,920
Speaker 1: in the nineteen ten she gets involved with the plan

538
00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:09,680
Speaker 1: to assassinate the emperor um and this becomes known as

539
00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:13,080
Speaker 1: the High Treason incidents, and the state like gets wind

540
00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:18,400
Speaker 1: of this, they arrest her, They arrest uh Go Taku,

541
00:30:18,560 --> 00:30:22,360
Speaker 1: and they arrest like twenty two other twenty two yeah,

542
00:30:22,360 --> 00:30:27,320
Speaker 1: twenty two other anarchists. Um. Now like five of these

543
00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:32,920
Speaker 1: people are like even tangentially involved in this plot. Um,

544
00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:38,080
Speaker 1: but they this is okay, So I can't say that

545
00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:40,320
Speaker 1: that the Japanese government only does this to anarchists because

546
00:30:40,320 --> 00:30:42,760
Speaker 1: they do this a fascist like once, but like they

547
00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:46,080
Speaker 1: do this thing where okay, So they have a bunch

548
00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:48,280
Speaker 1: of people that they want to execute, right, so they

549
00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:52,040
Speaker 1: find one person who's like an ideological figure, and they're like, Okay,

550
00:30:52,040 --> 00:30:53,880
Speaker 1: you're now in the middle of this, and you're the

551
00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:56,600
Speaker 1: link between like this group and this other group want

552
00:30:56,600 --> 00:30:57,840
Speaker 1: to kill. This other grouple want to kill the other

553
00:30:57,880 --> 00:31:03,560
Speaker 1: grouple want to kill. And so they convict uh like

554
00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:09,200
Speaker 1: jo Um and uh like they they all get convicted

555
00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:11,880
Speaker 1: and they all get executed. Yeah, And so this case

556
00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:13,880
Speaker 1: is also interesting because there's a bunch of people who

557
00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:17,160
Speaker 1: the state like wanted to kill but they couldn't because

558
00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:19,600
Speaker 1: they'd already arrested. They'd already they like this is like

559
00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:22,360
Speaker 1: two years after like a mass arrest of like half

560
00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:24,680
Speaker 1: of the Japanese anarchist movement, and so they have all

561
00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:27,520
Speaker 1: these people who are in prison, and it's like, even

562
00:31:27,560 --> 00:31:30,720
Speaker 1: by like the standards of the Japanese state, it's like, Okay,

563
00:31:30,840 --> 00:31:32,720
Speaker 1: how are we going to convict all of these people

564
00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:35,360
Speaker 1: who have been in prison for two years of trying

565
00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:37,120
Speaker 1: to of like being a part of this plot to

566
00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:39,720
Speaker 1: kill the emperor that was like organized outside of the jail.

567
00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:43,200
Speaker 1: And so this this is the thing that saves like

568
00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:46,440
Speaker 1: a huge portion of the Japanese anarchist movements, that saves

569
00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:50,280
Speaker 1: it from literally so like this. The hydrogen incident kills

570
00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:52,560
Speaker 1: like most of the famous anarchists in Japan, but it

571
00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:55,400
Speaker 1: leaves like like a couple alive. And that's why they're

572
00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:58,560
Speaker 1: alive because they were all in prison. Wait, how are

573
00:31:58,560 --> 00:32:02,720
Speaker 1: they going to kill the emperor? The plan didn't get

574
00:32:02,840 --> 00:32:05,360
Speaker 1: very far. I think they were trying to use a bomb,

575
00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:08,920
Speaker 1: but the police got wind of it very very early,

576
00:32:09,280 --> 00:32:11,480
Speaker 1: not classes so that they never really got much like

577
00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:16,800
Speaker 1: past the planning stage. Um, this is a shame. Yeah yeah,

578
00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:19,720
Speaker 1: and do do you know what else never gets very

579
00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:23,400
Speaker 1: far plass past the planning stage when they're trying to

580
00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:27,680
Speaker 1: assassinate the Emperor of Japan? Is it the ads because

581
00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:32,200
Speaker 1: they don't know how to do direct action because they're

582
00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:36,640
Speaker 1: too investion in capitalism. That that is, that is actually

583
00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:39,360
Speaker 1: exactly what we were talking about. Margaret, Thank you so much,

584
00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:52,720
Speaker 1: and we're back. I was genuinely trying to see if

585
00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:54,560
Speaker 1: I could like to think of a of a company

586
00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:56,440
Speaker 1: that had like tried to kill the Japanese emperor, and

587
00:32:56,480 --> 00:32:58,800
Speaker 1: I couldn't think of one. And I was like, hmmm,

588
00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:02,640
Speaker 1: this says something to society. This does This is a real,

589
00:33:02,840 --> 00:33:05,600
Speaker 1: real solid critique we have here. I really hope that

590
00:33:06,520 --> 00:33:09,920
Speaker 1: ten years from now this all seems very dated. You're like,

591
00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:14,400
Speaker 1: of course someone's major company has tried to never mind

592
00:33:16,040 --> 00:33:22,640
Speaker 1: one one can dream, so kinda, Sugaku is dead, Kotaku

593
00:33:22,840 --> 00:33:25,400
Speaker 1: is also dead, and this this means that it's time

594
00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:28,280
Speaker 1: for sort of like another generation of of anarchists to

595
00:33:28,360 --> 00:33:31,400
Speaker 1: try to fill in the gaps. So they're executed. Yeah, yeah,

596
00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:33,800
Speaker 1: they're dead, Like they just die and they kill, they kill,

597
00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:37,240
Speaker 1: they kill like twenty two of the anarchists or something.

598
00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:39,840
Speaker 1: And I mean this is a this is a huge purge.

599
00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:42,760
Speaker 1: I mean they don't wind up executing just like there's

600
00:33:42,760 --> 00:33:48,200
Speaker 1: just like a like a sympathetic like Buddhist priest. It's executed. Um,

601
00:33:49,040 --> 00:33:54,160
Speaker 1: I when is this? This is nice? And eleven? Sorry yeah,

602
00:33:54,360 --> 00:33:57,440
Speaker 1: this is nice un eleven um, And actually there's nothing

603
00:33:57,600 --> 00:34:00,600
Speaker 1: to think about this kind of Saku becaus the first

604
00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:03,040
Speaker 1: woman ever executed by the Japanese state. She will not

605
00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:09,680
Speaker 1: be the last. Like oh boy, um feminist, Yeah, I

606
00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:19,120
Speaker 1: mean equal rights, equal fights. There's another like very influential

607
00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:24,120
Speaker 1: market feminist who's emergence slightly after like just like in

608
00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:28,520
Speaker 1: like nineteen four and nine is each on No way,

609
00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:33,560
Speaker 1: she's an egoist, anarchist who eventually, last, finally, finally we

610
00:34:33,680 --> 00:34:36,600
Speaker 1: bring it up. That's all I have to say about

611
00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:39,880
Speaker 1: That's like almost all I had to say. She she

612
00:34:40,040 --> 00:34:43,239
Speaker 1: she takes over the editorial position of this, uh, this

613
00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:45,960
Speaker 1: magazine called Blue Stocking Magazine, which is like Japan's I

614
00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:47,720
Speaker 1: think it's It's like, this is like the most important

615
00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:50,800
Speaker 1: feminist magazine in Japan, and she takes over the editorial

616
00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:54,080
Speaker 1: staff about it. And her work is really interesting in

617
00:34:54,080 --> 00:34:58,040
Speaker 1: a lot of ways because it just it just straight

618
00:34:58,160 --> 00:35:01,440
Speaker 1: up is contemporary feminism in a way that like a

619
00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:03,759
Speaker 1: lot of the stuff in this period isn't. Like if

620
00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:06,120
Speaker 1: if you go and read the arguments she's having, she's

621
00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:07,839
Speaker 1: arguing that sex work should be legal and that everyone

622
00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:09,759
Speaker 1: should be should be able to get abortions because women

623
00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:15,919
Speaker 1: should have autonomy over their bodies. Yeah, it's like, yeah,

624
00:35:18,040 --> 00:35:20,239
Speaker 1: this is this is not going to end well for her,

625
00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:24,719
Speaker 1: but you know what, it doesn't end well for any

626
00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:27,279
Speaker 1: of us in a long enough timeline. You know, like

627
00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:29,440
Speaker 1: all that matters is the time of what we do.

628
00:35:29,640 --> 00:35:35,960
Speaker 1: At this time, we are bad. Okay, fine, yeah, so yeah,

629
00:35:36,040 --> 00:35:37,279
Speaker 1: I think so she's able to do this for like

630
00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:39,640
Speaker 1: a year in the Japanese state looks at this, it

631
00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:44,120
Speaker 1: is like absolutely not and shust the magazine down. Um,

632
00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:46,239
Speaker 1: And so she she gets forced to move on to

633
00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:48,160
Speaker 1: other things. And the other thing she moved on she

634
00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:50,960
Speaker 1: moves on to is being extremely heavily involved in the

635
00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:54,400
Speaker 1: free love movement of course, yeah yeah, and and but

636
00:35:54,520 --> 00:35:57,320
Speaker 1: also and this is the thing that's that's interesting about

637
00:35:57,480 --> 00:36:00,120
Speaker 1: the sort of period of Japanese anarchism is that like

638
00:36:00,560 --> 00:36:04,440
Speaker 1: the egoists are all also syndicalists. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah

639
00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:07,560
Speaker 1: yeah yeah. And she's so she she's like heavily involved

640
00:36:07,640 --> 00:36:09,680
Speaker 1: in labor organizing. And this is how she comes into

641
00:36:09,719 --> 00:36:15,040
Speaker 1: contact with her partner, who she's like cheating on her

642
00:36:15,120 --> 00:36:18,640
Speaker 1: imprisoned husband, who will later form the Japanese Communist Party.

643
00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:23,160
Speaker 1: That's a lot of stuff happening. There's there, there's so much,

644
00:36:23,239 --> 00:36:29,560
Speaker 1: there's so much beef. It's incredible. There's there's this like

645
00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:31,680
Speaker 1: we haven't even gotten to the wild part of this

646
00:36:31,800 --> 00:36:34,239
Speaker 1: relationship yet, okay, which is so so okay. So she

647
00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:36,680
Speaker 1: she comes to contact with her partner or person who

648
00:36:36,719 --> 00:36:40,280
Speaker 1: would become her partner, Saki Sakai, who is like dating

649
00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:44,200
Speaker 1: another very famous Japanese arca feminist who she stabs him

650
00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:46,200
Speaker 1: in the neck over the fact that she's in multiple

651
00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:52,239
Speaker 1: relationships at once. So this isn't from her, Yeah, this

652
00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:53,960
Speaker 1: is this is the thing that keeps happening with free

653
00:36:54,040 --> 00:36:55,960
Speaker 1: love of this period. It's like, you gotta like, you

654
00:36:56,040 --> 00:36:58,919
Speaker 1: gotta lay down, You got to make sure everyone's okay

655
00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:02,720
Speaker 1: with everything. Sure seemed to the right things in theory,

656
00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:06,280
Speaker 1: but then in practice they sure, yeah, sure do fall apart?

657
00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:10,560
Speaker 1: Huh yeah, And this two divides the Japanese anicy. But

658
00:37:10,600 --> 00:37:12,520
Speaker 1: does she win, did she succeed? Did she kill him

659
00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:16,920
Speaker 1: or did he survive that? Nod? Okay, Yeah, I'm just

660
00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:18,719
Speaker 1: I have there's a special place in my heart for

661
00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:26,480
Speaker 1: split slit throats of patriarchal man anyway. So most like

662
00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:30,160
Speaker 1: Kai is also very heavily involved in labor organizing, and

663
00:37:30,280 --> 00:37:34,280
Speaker 1: he he's one of the guys who like turns anarchist

664
00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:37,439
Speaker 1: labor into like a serious political force, which is maybe

665
00:37:37,480 --> 00:37:42,280
Speaker 1: it's good that they survived, Yeah, like it's probably net good.

666
00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:47,840
Speaker 1: But all of the guys in this story like suck

667
00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:53,600
Speaker 1: except do I haven't except here? What about the Korean

668
00:37:53,640 --> 00:37:57,080
Speaker 1: guy who? Um, oh yeah, we get to him. Yeah,

669
00:37:57,080 --> 00:38:00,600
Speaker 1: he's he's kind of like I think he's actually one. Yeah,

670
00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:03,319
Speaker 1: I think maybe the end of his story gets weird. Yeah,

671
00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:06,040
Speaker 1: we'll we'll we'll get to that in a second. Um.

672
00:38:06,239 --> 00:38:09,040
Speaker 1: But yeah, so Saya Sakai has like he has he

673
00:38:09,120 --> 00:38:11,520
Speaker 1: has this like fusion of like egoism and syndicalism, where

674
00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:14,080
Speaker 1: like the individual ego will be liberated through collective action,

675
00:38:14,200 --> 00:38:15,600
Speaker 1: but the goal of the workers movement is not to

676
00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:18,800
Speaker 1: just like end poverty, it's to like liberate the individual

677
00:38:18,920 --> 00:38:22,920
Speaker 1: and give themselves developments. And he's also this like incredibly fierce,

678
00:38:23,320 --> 00:38:25,840
Speaker 1: like like one of his big thing is that like

679
00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:28,480
Speaker 1: he does not want intellectuals anywhen you're the workers movement,

680
00:38:29,280 --> 00:38:34,520
Speaker 1: like does absolutely not. Yeah, and this is because like

681
00:38:34,560 --> 00:38:36,360
Speaker 1: again he's been around for ages, Like he becomes an

682
00:38:36,360 --> 00:38:40,399
Speaker 1: anarchist around the time when um Kotaku doesn't like that's no. Six,

683
00:38:40,520 --> 00:38:42,279
Speaker 1: So he's been like arounded. He's one of the guys

684
00:38:42,280 --> 00:38:43,840
Speaker 1: who survives the High Trees in the incident because he

685
00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:48,440
Speaker 1: was already in prison, Okay, all right, and he like

686
00:38:48,640 --> 00:38:50,120
Speaker 1: he's one of the people who like keeps the sort

687
00:38:50,160 --> 00:38:53,120
Speaker 1: of flame of anarchism alive after like they're fussion nineteen eleven.

688
00:38:53,160 --> 00:38:55,759
Speaker 1: But unfortunately for him, Um and for eacho no way,

689
00:38:55,800 --> 00:38:59,279
Speaker 1: they get caught up in the Canto earthquake, of which

690
00:38:59,320 --> 00:39:04,840
Speaker 1: is just like this earthquake between Yokohama and Tokyo alone

691
00:39:05,080 --> 00:39:08,719
Speaker 1: kills two hundred thousand people. It is like it is

692
00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:11,759
Speaker 1: like it is one of the worst like natural disasters.

693
00:39:12,719 --> 00:39:16,120
Speaker 1: It's it's really bad and in immediately gets worse. The

694
00:39:16,239 --> 00:39:19,160
Speaker 1: state wouldn't use a natural disaster to try and further

695
00:39:19,280 --> 00:39:24,960
Speaker 1: its aims through extra legal means. Yeah, so, okay, I'm

696
00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:28,360
Speaker 1: gonna start with. One of the ways that the genocide

697
00:39:28,360 --> 00:39:32,080
Speaker 1: of Korean people in Japan at this time starts is

698
00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:35,160
Speaker 1: so there's a bunch of Korean workers in a long

699
00:39:35,239 --> 00:39:37,719
Speaker 1: turre union that's been organized by this builitin like left

700
00:39:37,760 --> 00:39:41,520
Speaker 1: his union guy named Yamaguchi Sakan And okay, so like

701
00:39:41,640 --> 00:39:43,680
Speaker 1: they're in this long shore union, there's this disaster. They

702
00:39:43,719 --> 00:39:45,560
Speaker 1: start doing vitual a, they start going out, they started

703
00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:47,920
Speaker 1: taking care of so if iver start giving people food.

704
00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:50,720
Speaker 1: But you know, they're they're like waving red flags and stuff,

705
00:39:50,719 --> 00:39:53,719
Speaker 1: and the Japanese police lose their minds and are like,

706
00:39:53,840 --> 00:39:56,200
Speaker 1: oh my god, there the jet the Koreans are doing

707
00:39:56,280 --> 00:40:02,879
Speaker 1: socialism and they just start killing them and they there's

708
00:40:02,920 --> 00:40:05,000
Speaker 1: this whole thing about like there's these rumors start that

709
00:40:05,080 --> 00:40:07,359
Speaker 1: like Koreans are raping Japanese women and it turns into

710
00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:10,520
Speaker 1: this thing about like looting, and then like Korean malcontents

711
00:40:10,520 --> 00:40:14,000
Speaker 1: are supposed to be like overrunning police stations and the

712
00:40:14,120 --> 00:40:17,640
Speaker 1: lynch mobs. The lists are mostly targeting Koreans, but they're

713
00:40:17,640 --> 00:40:20,360
Speaker 1: also tart, like if you're Chinese, if you're from Baku Islands,

714
00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:23,600
Speaker 1: like they're killing you. Two um, they kill two thousand

715
00:40:23,719 --> 00:40:26,920
Speaker 1: Koreans in Tokyo and another two thousand in Yokohama, and

716
00:40:27,840 --> 00:40:30,600
Speaker 1: like two thousand Koreans in Yokohama that is half the

717
00:40:30,680 --> 00:40:36,000
Speaker 1: Korean population of the city. And these people die like horribly,

718
00:40:36,320 --> 00:40:38,560
Speaker 1: like because it's not like so that the polices are

719
00:40:38,560 --> 00:40:42,280
Speaker 1: actively hunting them down. Like the entirety of Japanese society

720
00:40:42,840 --> 00:40:45,920
Speaker 1: like remembers that they really like killing people and they

721
00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:49,120
Speaker 1: really like fighting, and like you have people like taking

722
00:40:49,200 --> 00:40:52,960
Speaker 1: their like ceremonial swords from like their ancestors who are

723
00:40:52,960 --> 00:40:55,080
Speaker 1: in the major Revolution, Like they're taking their katanas, going

724
00:40:55,080 --> 00:40:57,600
Speaker 1: industry and murdering people with them, like people just like

725
00:40:57,760 --> 00:41:00,480
Speaker 1: have fish hooks and they're just murdering people the street

726
00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:02,560
Speaker 1: and this goes on for like, this goes on for days,

727
00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:07,080
Speaker 1: and one of the things that happens in this is um, well, okay,

728
00:41:07,120 --> 00:41:10,120
Speaker 1: so the one of the other things happens in this

729
00:41:10,160 --> 00:41:12,880
Speaker 1: period that the Javits government just starts like arresting Brandon

730
00:41:12,960 --> 00:41:17,200
Speaker 1: left Iss and executing them. Yeah, and that's what was

731
00:41:17,239 --> 00:41:19,840
Speaker 1: supposed to happen to know to Echo no A and

732
00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:23,520
Speaker 1: Osaka Saikai. But they get arrested by squad and military

733
00:41:23,600 --> 00:41:32,120
Speaker 1: police led by mashachikom Akasu who just she just murders them. Um.

734
00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:35,799
Speaker 1: There's like conflicting stories of how this happened. There's there's

735
00:41:35,840 --> 00:41:38,800
Speaker 1: one version of it where like he kills them and

736
00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:41,200
Speaker 1: like their six year old nephew and throws their bodies

737
00:41:41,239 --> 00:41:43,319
Speaker 1: out a well, there's another version of it where they

738
00:41:43,360 --> 00:41:46,360
Speaker 1: get strangled and that he strangles have been prison and

739
00:41:46,960 --> 00:41:48,640
Speaker 1: this is like a huge outrage, but it's not huge

740
00:41:48,680 --> 00:41:50,240
Speaker 1: at range because he murdered them as the huge outrage

741
00:41:50,239 --> 00:41:53,279
Speaker 1: because he's supposed to wait for the trial, h I

742
00:41:53,320 --> 00:41:59,040
Speaker 1: mean and yeah, and this is one of the things

743
00:41:59,080 --> 00:42:00,400
Speaker 1: that like this is this is part of how like

744
00:42:00,560 --> 00:42:03,239
Speaker 1: fascism comes to Japan, is that like he becomes a

745
00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:04,960
Speaker 1: hero for the fascist right, Like he goes to prison

746
00:42:05,040 --> 00:42:07,600
Speaker 1: for ten years supposedly, but he only serves three, and

747
00:42:07,719 --> 00:42:09,799
Speaker 1: then he gets out he becomes a hero, and then

748
00:42:09,920 --> 00:42:13,200
Speaker 1: he becomes basically the head of like the sort of

749
00:42:13,239 --> 00:42:17,040
Speaker 1: fascist secret police in the like Maenturian puppet state. But

750
00:42:17,160 --> 00:42:19,239
Speaker 1: on the upside, he when would Japan loses to war,

751
00:42:19,320 --> 00:42:24,680
Speaker 1: he kills himself. So when I with the story I

752
00:42:24,760 --> 00:42:27,160
Speaker 1: had heard was that the Throne in the Well story,

753
00:42:27,320 --> 00:42:29,160
Speaker 1: and I remember it. It's stuck with me so much

754
00:42:29,200 --> 00:42:33,880
Speaker 1: because the first time I met anarchists from Japan, they

755
00:42:33,960 --> 00:42:36,920
Speaker 1: gave me a zine and it was like Japanese anarchist martyrs,

756
00:42:37,160 --> 00:42:38,919
Speaker 1: you know, like the martyrs of our movement or whatever.

757
00:42:39,400 --> 00:42:40,960
Speaker 1: And I was like looking through it and we're all

758
00:42:41,080 --> 00:42:45,520
Speaker 1: of these children, and it just like really emotionally affected

759
00:42:45,560 --> 00:42:49,600
Speaker 1: me that I was like, oh, y'all's martyrs include all

760
00:42:49,640 --> 00:42:53,440
Speaker 1: of these like literally not like like literal like like

761
00:42:53,520 --> 00:42:56,640
Speaker 1: six year olds and stuff, because you know they came

762
00:42:56,719 --> 00:42:59,640
Speaker 1: and killed not just the grown up anarchists, but the

763
00:42:59,680 --> 00:43:03,719
Speaker 1: baby anarchists or whatever as well. Um. I know that

764
00:43:03,800 --> 00:43:05,719
Speaker 1: this has happened lots of places, but it just it

765
00:43:05,800 --> 00:43:08,400
Speaker 1: really stuck with me so whether it's true or not,

766
00:43:08,560 --> 00:43:10,560
Speaker 1: the story I heard was this story about the well

767
00:43:10,640 --> 00:43:13,840
Speaker 1: and then it's stuck with me. Yeah, I mean, like

768
00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:22,920
Speaker 1: the level of repression in Japan, like it's it's unlike

769
00:43:22,920 --> 00:43:25,040
Speaker 1: anything I've ever seen that's not in a country that's

770
00:43:25,080 --> 00:43:27,640
Speaker 1: literally in the middle of the civil war. M Like,

771
00:43:28,160 --> 00:43:34,080
Speaker 1: they just they just like murder people like constantly. Yeah.

772
00:43:34,120 --> 00:43:35,360
Speaker 1: And then this is one of the other things, like

773
00:43:35,400 --> 00:43:36,920
Speaker 1: one of the things that starts the right wing like

774
00:43:37,120 --> 00:43:40,040
Speaker 1: turn in Japanese society is when is when the three

775
00:43:40,080 --> 00:43:43,000
Speaker 1: happens and the government is like like they're like the

776
00:43:43,080 --> 00:43:45,120
Speaker 1: police are being like, it's the Koreans. You need to

777
00:43:45,120 --> 00:43:48,279
Speaker 1: go fight the Koreans, and so they do, and like

778
00:43:48,360 --> 00:43:51,320
Speaker 1: I mean yeah, like wait, they like blame the earthquake

779
00:43:51,360 --> 00:43:53,719
Speaker 1: on the Koreans. Yeah. Well, so everything is there's this fire,

780
00:43:53,880 --> 00:43:58,839
Speaker 1: the fire kills like sixty people, like it consumes they're

781
00:43:58,920 --> 00:44:02,600
Speaker 1: like they're they're the urban horror of uh what's the

782
00:44:02,640 --> 00:44:07,560
Speaker 1: name of that city. Ah, the urban core of Yokohama

783
00:44:07,760 --> 00:44:10,040
Speaker 1: just goes up in flames, like sixty people burned to death,

784
00:44:10,640 --> 00:44:13,680
Speaker 1: and that's the government needs some explanation for you. It's horrible.

785
00:44:13,719 --> 00:44:15,520
Speaker 1: But like the government is an explation for it. They're like, oh,

786
00:44:15,560 --> 00:44:18,680
Speaker 1: we'll blame the Koreans. And then suddenly all of these

787
00:44:18,760 --> 00:44:23,000
Speaker 1: people are just like like the whole of Japanese society

788
00:44:23,120 --> 00:44:26,040
Speaker 1: just goes into this total mobilization like kill mode thing

789
00:44:26,200 --> 00:44:29,120
Speaker 1: and they just murder enormous members of people and this

790
00:44:29,760 --> 00:44:31,400
Speaker 1: and like that this has this enormous sort of like

791
00:44:31,480 --> 00:44:33,560
Speaker 1: like cultural affection, shifting people back to the right and

792
00:44:33,600 --> 00:44:36,800
Speaker 1: shifting people back towards militarism because now they've like you know,

793
00:44:36,920 --> 00:44:39,120
Speaker 1: like they've they've tasted blood, they've like they've gotten this

794
00:44:39,160 --> 00:44:42,719
Speaker 1: sort of sense of it. Yeah, it is brutal, um

795
00:44:43,800 --> 00:44:46,239
Speaker 1: And before we go, we're gonna kill off one more

796
00:44:46,280 --> 00:44:52,120
Speaker 1: anarchist the team. Can we kill off the other team instead? Unfortunately, no,

797
00:44:52,480 --> 00:44:54,359
Speaker 1: none of them die in this story. It's the worst.

798
00:44:54,440 --> 00:44:59,239
Speaker 1: All of the assassination attempts fail. It's so sad. Yeah,

799
00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:05,040
Speaker 1: all right, I forgot how depressing this because I was

800
00:45:05,160 --> 00:45:06,840
Speaker 1: I was remembering part two of this, which is just

801
00:45:06,920 --> 00:45:11,000
Speaker 1: like absolutely hilarious, kind of pointless like ideological battle over

802
00:45:11,120 --> 00:45:12,960
Speaker 1: like things that are kind of dumb, and then I

803
00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:14,480
Speaker 1: forgot about the first part of the story, which is

804
00:45:14,560 --> 00:45:18,560
Speaker 1: everyone gets executed. So the last person who we're talking

805
00:45:18,560 --> 00:45:24,000
Speaker 1: about he gets executed is is Fumiko Konako, who is Fumkokko.

806
00:45:24,360 --> 00:45:26,720
Speaker 1: So she she she's a nihilist anarchist, but she's different

807
00:45:26,719 --> 00:45:29,080
Speaker 1: from like everyone else we've talked about today so far

808
00:45:29,280 --> 00:45:31,920
Speaker 1: because when she's a kid, she gets sent to live

809
00:45:32,120 --> 00:45:35,960
Speaker 1: in Japanese occupied Korea, and so she goes there and

810
00:45:36,040 --> 00:45:38,960
Speaker 1: she gets like horribly abused by her family, which leads

811
00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:40,920
Speaker 1: to become like leaves of her becoming a nihilist, but

812
00:45:40,960 --> 00:45:43,719
Speaker 1: it means to like okay, so like like a lot

813
00:45:43,760 --> 00:45:46,759
Speaker 1: of the anarchists like in Japan talk a big game

814
00:45:46,840 --> 00:45:49,440
Speaker 1: again about anti like imperialism, right, and like they will

815
00:45:49,480 --> 00:45:51,600
Speaker 1: do things like yeah, like they will go fight police

816
00:45:51,600 --> 00:45:52,960
Speaker 1: to try to stop a war for happening, but they

817
00:45:53,000 --> 00:45:58,920
Speaker 1: don't really talk to people in Korea very much. And

818
00:45:59,680 --> 00:46:01,200
Speaker 1: food kind of Coope was like the exception to that,

819
00:46:01,280 --> 00:46:03,440
Speaker 1: because you know, she she lived there for a long time. Um,

820
00:46:05,040 --> 00:46:08,360
Speaker 1: and she she winds up marrying Paciol who is a

821
00:46:08,560 --> 00:46:10,919
Speaker 1: very influential Korean anarchist, and they they do a bunch

822
00:46:10,920 --> 00:46:13,759
Speaker 1: of organizing the specifically like that their their thing is

823
00:46:13,760 --> 00:46:15,640
Speaker 1: they're trying to like get there, trying to enter the

824
00:46:16,080 --> 00:46:21,359
Speaker 1: Japanese occupation and you know, they're they're doing great work.

825
00:46:21,360 --> 00:46:24,719
Speaker 1: And then unfortunately after the earthquake, Uh, she and pak

826
00:46:24,800 --> 00:46:27,000
Speaker 1: Yo are and uh stop me if you've heard this

827
00:46:27,080 --> 00:46:29,440
Speaker 1: one before, they are sentenced to death for a supposed

828
00:46:29,520 --> 00:46:32,400
Speaker 1: plot to kill the emperor. Wait wait now, yeah, we

829
00:46:32,440 --> 00:46:35,319
Speaker 1: already did this part. You're just repeating, Yeah, yeah, they

830
00:46:35,400 --> 00:46:38,319
Speaker 1: do it again. This is the second time. Like they

831
00:46:38,400 --> 00:46:41,400
Speaker 1: just keep doing this and this one it's unclear if

832
00:46:41,440 --> 00:46:44,200
Speaker 1: there was actually a plot, and if there was a plot,

833
00:46:44,239 --> 00:46:46,560
Speaker 1: it's unclear to what extent form kan Code was like

834
00:46:46,640 --> 00:46:48,800
Speaker 1: involved with it. But while she's getting get arrogated, she's like,

835
00:46:48,920 --> 00:46:51,400
Speaker 1: oh yeah, no, like I hate the emperor. I was

836
00:46:51,440 --> 00:46:53,279
Speaker 1: absolutely involved in a plot to kill him, Like I

837
00:46:53,400 --> 00:46:56,359
Speaker 1: was making a bomb to kill him. Uh. Also, I'm

838
00:46:56,360 --> 00:46:58,880
Speaker 1: an anarchist. And here's like an incredibly detailed sketch of

839
00:46:59,000 --> 00:47:01,400
Speaker 1: like all of the appreshiative Japanese society. But I'm just

840
00:47:01,440 --> 00:47:03,600
Speaker 1: gonna tell you, like the person she's like like the

841
00:47:03,640 --> 00:47:07,640
Speaker 1: court examiner who's like and and you know, there's there's

842
00:47:07,719 --> 00:47:10,560
Speaker 1: anything that happens where she and Pacuole are like are

843
00:47:10,600 --> 00:47:12,920
Speaker 1: handed pardons as like the sort of like mercy of

844
00:47:12,960 --> 00:47:17,160
Speaker 1: the Emperor thing and Paciol like takes it but go

845
00:47:17,280 --> 00:47:18,920
Speaker 1: kind of co like they hander the paper and she

846
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Speaker 1: so embarrassing that like the record of what happened is

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Speaker 1: a big like, um, it was like a big media scandal,

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Speaker 1: all of the stuff with them being arrested, right, and

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Speaker 1: Anarchists from Colony. This part of it, yeah yeah, and

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Speaker 1: they've they've they've picked, they've they've arrested to random people

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Speaker 1: who like have done nothing, and they're just gonna kill them,

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Speaker 1: but for mechanicals like no, like, I believe in the

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Speaker 1: There's like multiple books because this keeps happening and these

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Speaker 1: go read it. It's it's also extremely depressing because her

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Speaker 1: life sucks. But yeah, it's it's it's good. Um. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: And so now having killed off the leading intellectuals of

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Speaker 1: you would think that this would this would kill the movement,

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Speaker 1: Like I think, I think like movements like if if

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Speaker 1: Maybe he is right, well, but this, this is this. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: The incredible thing about this is no, it doesn't it

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Speaker 1: they have one last glorious, glorious and absolutely baffling hurrah.

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Speaker 1: Okay of like infighting, extremely weird and funny in fighting.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, that that's what we're gonna be talking about

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Speaker 1: next episode. All right, yeah, is it time for the

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