WEBVTT - Black Music Month QLS Classic: The Pointer Sisters 0:00:00.440 --> 0:00:04.240 Quest Love Supreme is a production of iHeartRadio. This classic 0:00:04.280 --> 0:00:07.040 episode was produced by the team at Pandora. 0:00:09.280 --> 0:00:11.399 What Up, y'all, it's unpaid bill for Quest Love Supreme. 0:00:11.560 --> 0:00:13.480 As you may have seen throughout June, we are celebrating 0:00:13.480 --> 0:00:16.080 Black Music one by releasing an episode every day, So 0:00:16.120 --> 0:00:18.759 every day you either hear especially picked a QLs classic, 0:00:19.000 --> 0:00:21.560 and on Wednesdays we are dropping new two part episodes 0:00:21.600 --> 0:00:24.560 with Wayne Brady and the legendary Dance Poyser, both of 0:00:24.560 --> 0:00:27.400 which were filmed in the studio. Black music is deeply 0:00:27.440 --> 0:00:29.040 important to me and has been an influence throughout my 0:00:29.200 --> 0:00:32.040 entire career. It's also something we celebrate here at QLs. 0:00:32.680 --> 0:00:35.919 Today's episode is the Pointer Sisters from twenty nineteen. Like 0:00:35.960 --> 0:00:38.159 several of the interviews we are revisiting this month, this 0:00:38.200 --> 0:00:40.879 one has special significance as Anita and Bonnie Pointer have 0:00:40.960 --> 0:00:44.000 since passed. In this interview, they were joined by brother Fritz. 0:00:44.240 --> 0:00:45.199 It's a special. 0:00:44.880 --> 0:01:00.640 One supremo Suprema role called Suprema suh Sun A roll 0:01:00.840 --> 0:01:08.600 call Suprema some supremo role called Suprema something Sun Supremo roll. 0:01:08.600 --> 0:01:11.400 Call one, two, three, four five, Yeah, I'm six seven 0:01:11.480 --> 0:01:12.680 eight nine, Yeah. 0:01:12.920 --> 0:01:16.559 Said eleven, Yeah, twelve roll. 0:01:17.440 --> 0:01:24.679 Supreme, Supreme roll call, Suprema something something supreme call. 0:01:24.800 --> 0:01:28.000 My name is Fonte. Yeah, I'm feeling free. 0:01:28.319 --> 0:01:28.639 Yeah. 0:01:28.680 --> 0:01:31.720 You gotta believe in something. Yeah, why not believe in me? 0:01:32.120 --> 0:01:37.200 Oh, Suprema something Suprema roll came. 0:01:37.280 --> 0:01:42.480 Suprema suck something supreme A roll car name is Sugar. Yeah, 0:01:42.560 --> 0:01:43.840 you can't hide your desire. 0:01:44.319 --> 0:01:45.800 Yeah, curse my roll call. 0:01:46.319 --> 0:01:47.920 Yeah, five. 0:01:49.280 --> 0:01:56.400 Supremo something Suprema roll call, Suprema s Suprema roll. 0:01:56.360 --> 0:01:58.880 Call when the sisters on here, y'all. Yeah, that's what 0:01:58.920 --> 0:02:02.440 you need to know. Yeah, loss Bill so excited. Yeah, 0:02:02.720 --> 0:02:04.280 like Jesse spannel. 0:02:05.200 --> 0:02:12.360 Suprema God Supreme rolla Suprema so so supremo. 0:02:11.919 --> 0:02:18.280 Role calls with the po ma'am Yeah, teaching me about Yeah, 0:02:18.880 --> 0:02:19.720 slow hand. 0:02:19.960 --> 0:02:28.440 Whoa supremo supremo role called Suprema so some Suprema role call. 0:02:28.600 --> 0:02:31.480 His name is Fritz. Yeah, I'm glad to be here. 0:02:32.000 --> 0:02:33.360 Yeah are you folks? 0:02:33.880 --> 0:02:34.440 Yeah? 0:02:34.440 --> 0:02:35.400 I love so dear. 0:02:35.960 --> 0:02:44.360 Oh Suprema Subprema role called Suprema son, Supremo. 0:02:43.919 --> 0:02:48.640 Role called I'm a Nita. Yeah, and I'm excited to 0:02:48.840 --> 0:02:49.760 be here with you. 0:02:50.520 --> 0:02:53.000 Whoa Supreme roll. 0:02:54.680 --> 0:02:55.680 Some Supreme. 0:02:56.000 --> 0:02:59.560 Roll call Suprema so soun Supreme. 0:02:59.840 --> 0:03:03.000 Row your Bonnie Peep wants to be in the house. 0:03:04.160 --> 0:03:24.160 Get route Suprema. 0:03:23.000 --> 0:03:23.520 Supreme. 0:03:34.400 --> 0:03:34.960 I like that. 0:03:36.720 --> 0:03:41.080 Ladies and gentlemen, Welcome to another episode of Quest Love 0:03:41.160 --> 0:03:45.520 Supreme Surprises of bound ladies and gentlemen even for us. Yes, 0:03:46.760 --> 0:03:49.320 this is an amazing day we have Team Supreme. 0:03:49.440 --> 0:03:53.600 Was nice anyway. 0:03:54.160 --> 0:03:57.120 Shout out to Jesse Spiano. Yes, I thought you were 0:03:57.120 --> 0:03:58.720 going to go the obvious route to say it. I'm 0:03:58.760 --> 0:03:59.240 so scared. 0:03:59.280 --> 0:04:02.920 I was going to, but that was too obvious. 0:04:03.040 --> 0:04:06.720 I see no, no good good, good work there. Thank you. 0:04:06.880 --> 0:04:09.720 What can I say, ladies and gentlemen, we have what 0:04:09.840 --> 0:04:15.800 I consider a dynasty, an absolute dynasty. Uh, in my opinion, 0:04:18.080 --> 0:04:21.760 one of the probably the what what I would call 0:04:23.320 --> 0:04:34.760 the the the ultimate metamorphosis in black music covering jazz, country, pop, rock, soul, 0:04:35.200 --> 0:04:35.520 R and B. 0:04:35.640 --> 0:04:36.160 You name it. 0:04:36.680 --> 0:04:42.160 Uh, this entire family and to have FONDI here is that? 0:04:45.839 --> 0:04:48.440 Wait even before we start, are you still good your 0:04:48.560 --> 0:04:49.599 esther Phillips imitation? 0:04:49.800 --> 0:04:58.360 Oh for sure, I surround my ho. 0:05:01.320 --> 0:05:02.200 I want to, I want to. 0:05:02.240 --> 0:05:05.440 We want to welcome Bonnie, Anita and Fritz one of 0:05:05.279 --> 0:05:12.640 the porters and brother, Thank you, thank you, thank you 0:05:12.680 --> 0:05:16.840 for giving us the honor of celebrating uh, your book 0:05:16.839 --> 0:05:21.200 which is entitled fairy Tale a Pointered. 0:05:20.960 --> 0:05:24.320 Sister or a Pointer Family. What's the complete title? 0:05:24.920 --> 0:05:28.320 Fairy Tale the Pointer Sister's Family story, Okay? 0:05:28.320 --> 0:05:31.360 And fairy Tale course named after your historic our. 0:05:31.200 --> 0:05:32.880 Lives our first. 0:05:35.400 --> 0:05:41.119 Country country, best country vocal by dual or group. Bye 0:05:41.640 --> 0:05:41.960 we were. 0:05:42.640 --> 0:05:45.040 It was written by me and Bonnie and we went 0:05:45.120 --> 0:05:49.560 over the oak Ridge Boys and the Statler Brothers Great Country. 0:05:49.680 --> 0:05:52.880 To Nashville, Tennessee. David Rubinson was our producer and he 0:05:53.000 --> 0:05:55.160 was just amazing and he had lived in Nashville, but 0:05:55.200 --> 0:05:58.240 he took us there to record it in Nashville with 0:05:58.400 --> 0:06:01.440 the Opry musician, all operate musicians. 0:06:01.000 --> 0:06:04.800 All musicians, and they didn't know that we were black 0:06:04.880 --> 0:06:05.279 at first. 0:06:05.279 --> 0:06:07.440 And they said and we got on stage, they said, hot, 0:06:07.560 --> 0:06:09.200 damn it. Them gals is black. 0:06:13.960 --> 0:06:18.719 That was Opry. Yeah, the first black females to ever 0:06:18.760 --> 0:06:20.920 perform there, Charlie Bride. 0:06:21.279 --> 0:06:22.640 It was a welcoming surprise. 0:06:22.880 --> 0:06:24.680 Yeah. 0:06:24.920 --> 0:06:26.880 They loved us. After we sang the song though a 0:06:26.960 --> 0:06:30.440 thousand times, they had us sing it three times. Really, yeah, 0:06:31.120 --> 0:06:32.520 kept saying silent again, girl. 0:06:32.960 --> 0:06:33.159 Yeah. 0:06:33.400 --> 0:06:35.599 It was funny. It was it was funny. I was 0:06:36.000 --> 0:06:38.040 far it was really surprising. 0:06:39.080 --> 0:06:41.960 So this was a collaborative effort from all of you 0:06:42.000 --> 0:06:44.200 as far as like is it an oral history book 0:06:44.279 --> 0:06:46.000 or how how's the book format it? 0:06:46.240 --> 0:06:49.240 It is a collaborative effort from all of us. My 0:06:49.360 --> 0:06:53.600 brother Fritz is the writer, okay, and we fed him information. 0:06:53.960 --> 0:06:55.080 He's professor Fritz. 0:06:58.360 --> 0:07:03.400 I just retired from Contracstal Coniversity. Yeah. 0:07:03.480 --> 0:07:05.680 Yeah, I taught for thirty thirty five years. 0:07:05.880 --> 0:07:07.200 Yeah university. 0:07:10.200 --> 0:07:12.760 I taught. I was in the English department, but I 0:07:12.760 --> 0:07:17.120 taught African history and African literature, both oral and written 0:07:17.160 --> 0:07:21.520 African literature. And so I taught those courses for thirty 0:07:21.520 --> 0:07:22.800 three years here. 0:07:22.960 --> 0:07:25.360 And we had to sit there and learn them. And 0:07:25.600 --> 0:07:27.000 it was such a wonderful teacher. 0:07:27.080 --> 0:07:30.520 It was great because you know, growing up in Oakland, 0:07:30.520 --> 0:07:32.800 we got no history, black history in our schools. And 0:07:32.800 --> 0:07:36.200 when my brother came back from college and set up 0:07:36.240 --> 0:07:39.680 a center and we called it the Black Students Study Group, 0:07:41.120 --> 0:07:44.520 and he taught us history that we never knew, you know, 0:07:45.200 --> 0:07:49.000 important things that black kids should know to feel proud 0:07:49.040 --> 0:07:50.240 of themselves. 0:07:50.960 --> 0:07:53.440 Yeah. I feel like a Grillo because you know, the 0:07:53.480 --> 0:07:56.680 Greo is someone who the grio is someone who you know, 0:07:56.720 --> 0:07:59.960 recites poetry and history and then but the grio needs, 0:08:00.200 --> 0:08:02.960 uh some sort of heroic act in order to write about. 0:08:03.440 --> 0:08:06.120 And so I consider my sisters the heroines in this 0:08:06.280 --> 0:08:15.360 and I'm the grio who records their heroic deeds. So yes, 0:08:16.360 --> 0:08:16.760 can I? 0:08:16.800 --> 0:08:19.760 Can I assume one of my favorite songs by you 0:08:19.840 --> 0:08:26.000 guys when like I've been listening, like the like the 0:08:26.080 --> 0:08:26.920 back of my hand. 0:08:26.800 --> 0:08:31.000 But uh, the the. 0:08:30.000 --> 0:08:34.200 The intro to Steamed Heat where you guys talk about 0:08:34.240 --> 0:08:40.320 your So can I assume that was autobiographical? 0:08:40.559 --> 0:08:41.160 Like just. 0:08:43.080 --> 0:08:48.319 So it was really written? It was not what we experienced. 0:08:48.320 --> 0:08:50.960 We didn't have steam heat in Oakland. There was no 0:08:50.960 --> 0:08:53.320 stame heat in Oakland. And we were talking about the play. 0:08:53.440 --> 0:08:54.400 Was it a pajama game? 0:08:54.520 --> 0:08:55.240 Tell us about it. 0:08:55.800 --> 0:08:59.720 It was a pajama game that did in high school 0:08:59.760 --> 0:09:07.360 and to the group, and I started just sang that 0:09:07.480 --> 0:09:10.080 song to them a game and then I liked that song, 0:09:10.200 --> 0:09:13.520 so then I thought it today my sisters after after 0:09:13.520 --> 0:09:16.079 I graduated from school and started the Pointed Sisters. 0:09:16.840 --> 0:09:21.480 So what was uh your early childhood, uh memories like 0:09:21.720 --> 0:09:22.680 growing up in Oakland? 0:09:23.160 --> 0:09:24.600 What was the Oakland like back then. 0:09:25.520 --> 0:09:27.600 I thought it was a great town. 0:09:28.760 --> 0:09:31.280 I have fun a lot of. 0:09:33.040 --> 0:09:35.480 It's different now, it's changed so much. And we lived 0:09:35.520 --> 0:09:38.560 right across the street from Defirmary Park. That's where all 0:09:38.559 --> 0:09:40.959 the Black Panthers would have their rallies. But even before 0:09:41.000 --> 0:09:44.160 those times, we used to play at that park every day. 0:09:44.679 --> 0:09:47.559 It was our babysitter school. 0:09:47.600 --> 0:09:51.080 We went to cold School and go to Defirmary Park 0:09:51.320 --> 0:09:52.320 and play and. 0:09:52.360 --> 0:09:55.640 Mother and guns. 0:09:56.280 --> 0:09:57.160 There was charm school. 0:09:57.360 --> 0:10:00.520 We went to charm school at defferm Charm School, cookie class, 0:10:00.720 --> 0:10:01.840 dance classes. 0:10:02.120 --> 0:10:04.160 Yeah, because the only time we heard about that was Motown. 0:10:05.360 --> 0:10:05.840 Oh yeah. 0:10:05.840 --> 0:10:08.560 We had the Walkward books on our ass and hold 0:10:08.559 --> 0:10:10.280 our purses a certain way and. 0:10:10.280 --> 0:10:12.280 Have certain clothes and gloves. 0:10:12.440 --> 0:10:13.720 The mother made us do that. 0:10:14.679 --> 0:10:17.160 Yeah. I think it's really good for women to have that. 0:10:17.240 --> 0:10:19.640 And Fritz talks about that too. With the importance of 0:10:19.679 --> 0:10:21.200 the parks. 0:10:21.520 --> 0:10:23.920 Yeah, my brother now is Commissioner of Parks and wreck 0:10:24.000 --> 0:10:26.640 for the City of Tacoma, and it's an elected position. 0:10:26.720 --> 0:10:28.160 They have to vote him in every year, and he's 0:10:28.200 --> 0:10:32.360 been re elected for like three times. Yeah, and he's 0:10:32.520 --> 0:10:36.280 really concerned that the parks have seen a decline and 0:10:36.320 --> 0:10:38.640 they don't have the kind of upkeep and maintenance that 0:10:38.679 --> 0:10:41.120 they should have because when we were growing up, we 0:10:41.120 --> 0:10:42.840 could play basketball at night under the. 0:10:42.880 --> 0:10:44.000 Lights and. 0:10:46.400 --> 0:10:52.880 It was such a wonderful Oh yeah, yeah, oh yeah yeah, many. 0:10:52.600 --> 0:10:55.520 A few pointers. I'm sorry, are there they don't know. 0:10:55.440 --> 0:10:56.440 Whether some of you are. 0:11:01.000 --> 0:11:01.400 Everybody? 0:11:01.480 --> 0:11:06.040 Yeah, there are six children children. 0:11:06.120 --> 0:11:07.880 Yes, mister Ruth. 0:11:09.000 --> 0:11:12.400 Aaron is the professional baseball player as well. 0:11:12.920 --> 0:11:13.160 Yeah. 0:11:13.280 --> 0:11:16.640 He pad referee for many years and NFL referee for 0:11:16.720 --> 0:11:17.240 the NFL. 0:11:17.760 --> 0:11:18.960 He was he played for. 0:11:19.000 --> 0:11:22.440 The Chicago Cubs in Houston Astros and he was retired 0:11:22.480 --> 0:11:23.160 from and. 0:11:23.120 --> 0:11:26.680 He's the last professional baseball player to bat four hundred. 0:11:27.880 --> 0:11:30.840 No one has ever done that except our brother, and. 0:11:30.760 --> 0:11:35.320 He stopped playing fifty years ago. Yeah, still record. 0:11:35.800 --> 0:11:37.640 What an amazingly well rounded family. 0:11:37.720 --> 0:11:41.400 Yeah yeah, yes, And we grew up in We grew 0:11:41.480 --> 0:11:45.600 up in a house with fifteen people and our cousins 0:11:45.880 --> 0:11:49.199 Paul Silas, and he's now he was a professional basketball 0:11:49.200 --> 0:11:53.480 player with the Boston Celtics and Uhlan. 0:11:55.200 --> 0:11:58.719 Lebron James coach. Yeah, it was his first coaching with 0:11:58.760 --> 0:12:02.040 the Cleveland Cavaliers. Cousin Paul Silas. 0:12:01.520 --> 0:12:05.199 Yes, yes, we have at first, Yeah. 0:12:05.120 --> 0:12:11.000 You know what I mean? Then me okay, well, and 0:12:11.000 --> 0:12:13.720 then Ruth. 0:12:12.840 --> 0:12:16.000 And then Ruth who's not here, and then Anita, then 0:12:16.040 --> 0:12:19.560 Bonnie and then June who was not here with us. Yes, 0:12:19.640 --> 0:12:21.760 but there we had a Oh god, we had an 0:12:21.760 --> 0:12:24.560 exciting childhood. I mean, there were so many jobs in Oakland. 0:12:24.640 --> 0:12:28.880 Oakland was just full of employment all everywhere, never worried about. 0:12:29.760 --> 0:12:32.200 And then all of a sudden, it just the you know, 0:12:32.240 --> 0:12:35.320 the offshoring and the you know, relocation of industry, and 0:12:35.360 --> 0:12:39.280 now it's just depleted. Was the main industry, well, I 0:12:39.320 --> 0:12:41.960 think the main industry was steel. They had a US Steel, 0:12:42.160 --> 0:12:45.719 but they also had a huge like I remember the 0:12:45.800 --> 0:12:47.520 Carrisco Company. 0:12:47.240 --> 0:12:53.200 Was there, was there, was there, I never worried about. 0:12:53.320 --> 0:12:55.080 Job was not an issue when we were growing up. 0:12:55.480 --> 0:12:57.680 You know, it just became that way, and oh god, 0:12:57.760 --> 0:13:00.200 last twenty thirty years, it's just because it becomes they 0:13:00.280 --> 0:13:03.720 just depleted just all the jobs left, and they put 0:13:03.760 --> 0:13:05.840 in liquor stores and crack of course. 0:13:06.720 --> 0:13:10.760 And I remember going around the neighborhood collecting people's old 0:13:10.760 --> 0:13:16.680 magazines and then going back through those same neighborhoods selling them. 0:13:17.160 --> 0:13:20.560 Oh bood Nickel and that's three actually, I would usually 0:13:20.559 --> 0:13:26.559 get they were laughing. I had this magazine every time 0:13:28.120 --> 0:13:30.240 I got it from and I'll give it back to them. 0:13:31.440 --> 0:13:35.439 But we didn't worry about nobody shooting us or kidnapping 0:13:35.520 --> 0:13:38.679 us or you know. It was a great neighborhood, you know, 0:13:38.720 --> 0:13:43.840 where people were trusted. No guns, you know, no. 0:13:42.920 --> 0:13:45.640 Not until we went to Arkansas. 0:13:48.400 --> 0:13:52.840 And Bonnie went to Arkansas one year. I went three times. 0:13:52.840 --> 0:13:54.480 I went in the fifth grade, the seventh grade, and 0:13:54.520 --> 0:13:57.480 the tenth grade. The seventh grade. Bonnie wanted to come 0:13:57.520 --> 0:13:59.839 with me, so she came with me. And it was 0:13:59.880 --> 0:14:01.400 a hell of a trip to We rode all the 0:14:01.400 --> 0:14:03.960 way from Oakland to Arkansas and a big old transfer 0:14:04.960 --> 0:14:05.640 eighteen who. 0:14:06.320 --> 0:14:09.440 People were were your back. I was in. We they 0:14:09.440 --> 0:14:11.319 had like a little apartments set up in the back 0:14:11.320 --> 0:14:12.400 of the truck. 0:14:12.480 --> 0:14:15.920 And we left our family and and then Bonnie drove back. 0:14:15.800 --> 0:14:19.040 To Arkansas in that truck. We spent about two hours 0:14:19.080 --> 0:14:20.440 as the whole trip because they were stopping. 0:14:22.960 --> 0:14:24.960 I was I was like twelve or eleven or thirteen. 0:14:25.440 --> 0:14:28.480 Yeah, well, this wasn't the visit family down south. 0:14:28.520 --> 0:14:32.800 It was just grandmother. We were head at the grandma's house. 0:14:33.560 --> 0:14:35.280 They were saying they were shocked when that big old 0:14:35.280 --> 0:14:38.800 truck pulled up and here we have. 0:14:41.000 --> 0:14:43.320 And then we wanted when while we were there it 0:14:43.360 --> 0:14:45.400 was it turned into Halloween, and we wanted to go 0:14:45.440 --> 0:14:48.880 tricky treating because we were from California, Okay, and we 0:14:48.880 --> 0:14:50.840 we thought we can go trick or treating, and they said. 0:14:51.720 --> 0:14:54.280 My grandma just told us don't be out after dark. 0:14:54.440 --> 0:14:56.960 Right after dark, not past the city line where there 0:14:57.040 --> 0:14:59.760 was a city line where and we lived right grandma's 0:14:59.760 --> 0:15:00.240 house was. 0:15:00.280 --> 0:15:02.520 Right across that line from that line. 0:15:02.880 --> 0:15:04.880 White side of town was just on the other side 0:15:04.880 --> 0:15:07.200 of the street. We lived on the other side, right 0:15:07.200 --> 0:15:08.480 across the street where. 0:15:08.320 --> 0:15:10.040 It was gravel on our side and it was paving 0:15:10.080 --> 0:15:10.600 on the on. 0:15:10.560 --> 0:15:11.160 The white side. 0:15:11.680 --> 0:15:14.000 Right all the roads on our side were gravel roads. 0:15:14.200 --> 0:15:16.480 All the streets on the white side were paved. 0:15:17.040 --> 0:15:18.520 But it was probably good for you guys to see 0:15:18.520 --> 0:15:19.360 that and be exposed to. 0:15:19.360 --> 0:15:22.000 Couldn't believe the conditions there when I went there, it 0:15:22.040 --> 0:15:24.520 was like I might have been going to a wild 0:15:24.600 --> 0:15:26.880 jungle somewhere, just you know, where people are living off 0:15:26.880 --> 0:15:30.080 the land and they didn't have indoor, indoor toilets. 0:15:30.120 --> 0:15:33.360 And this is in the fifties, and I think that's 0:15:33.360 --> 0:15:36.200 where Anita got her country ye. 0:15:36.680 --> 0:15:37.520 I kept doing it. 0:15:37.400 --> 0:15:39.920 From Yeah, she kept going back and she would sit 0:15:39.960 --> 0:15:52.560 outside these speakeasies and listen to yeah right, Albert King 0:15:52.720 --> 0:15:57.880 and King and yeah. So that's I think she got 0:15:57.880 --> 0:16:01.560 her chops, her Southern nights, so her you know, country genuine, 0:16:01.600 --> 0:16:01.960 they're not. 0:16:03.440 --> 0:16:09.520 Earl Thomas Conley. Yeah, yes, yeah, something like that. Yeah. 0:16:09.560 --> 0:16:11.480 And we went back to the Grand Ole Opry and 0:16:11.520 --> 0:16:15.080 we were presenters at the Country Music Awards that year, 0:16:16.120 --> 0:16:18.000 and they never said mention of. 0:16:17.960 --> 0:16:24.760 That was I was how that came to me? 0:16:25.800 --> 0:16:30.680 How was music officially introduced to the family, Like who's 0:16:30.760 --> 0:16:31.160 the first? 0:16:32.080 --> 0:16:32.200 Was it? 0:16:32.360 --> 0:16:32.560 Church? 0:16:32.840 --> 0:16:32.960 Was it? 0:16:33.760 --> 0:16:34.400 Yeah? Church? 0:16:34.760 --> 0:16:36.680 And our mother was a singer. She sang at home 0:16:36.880 --> 0:16:40.000 all the time, saying to wake us up, you know, 0:16:40.280 --> 0:16:42.440 and singing to put us asleep. And she was a 0:16:42.480 --> 0:16:45.240 good singer, and she sang solos at church, and of 0:16:45.320 --> 0:16:48.520 course we be in the pastor's children. We got in 0:16:48.600 --> 0:16:51.160 the choir and we sang, and it really was good 0:16:51.160 --> 0:16:51.840 training for us. 0:16:51.960 --> 0:16:54.560 I think so too, because I think that's where they 0:16:54.680 --> 0:16:58.800 learned to sing harmonically and also thing together because uh, 0:16:59.080 --> 0:17:03.800 you know, having having to audition for a position in 0:17:03.920 --> 0:17:06.720 the choir, then they place you in different places and 0:17:06.840 --> 0:17:09.159 so you begin to learn your voice and your your 0:17:09.520 --> 0:17:11.880 you belong and how to hold on to your own 0:17:12.160 --> 0:17:15.280 notes and how be in your own group. And so 0:17:15.400 --> 0:17:18.200 it was excellent training for uh for learning to sing, 0:17:18.359 --> 0:17:21.879 you know, and learning to sing group singing in particular. 0:17:21.640 --> 0:17:25.960 Because they were like, don't get in my key, do 0:17:26.119 --> 0:17:30.240 not get in my notes? And then did you just 0:17:30.280 --> 0:17:31.080 get in my key. 0:17:33.760 --> 0:17:34.040 Note? 0:17:36.760 --> 0:17:41.240 Please mean to ask your sister Ruth, who's world famous 0:17:41.280 --> 0:17:42.679 for her based vocals. 0:17:42.840 --> 0:17:47.440 Yes, yes, when did she developed that voice? Was that always? 0:17:47.480 --> 0:17:52.960 There was so weird? How we all just had Yeah, 0:17:53.160 --> 0:17:53.760 she didn't. 0:17:54.280 --> 0:17:56.520 Had it and she said she worked on it too, 0:17:56.640 --> 0:17:58.840 by screaming at our basketball games. 0:18:05.880 --> 0:18:07.920 Yes, love to get to those games. 0:18:09.160 --> 0:18:12.879 Yes, yes, because we had an amazing sports school, our school, 0:18:12.920 --> 0:18:14.600 mcclimates High School, so many. 0:18:14.520 --> 0:18:18.160 Great basketball They never ever, ever ever lost a game. 0:18:18.600 --> 0:18:23.720 Yeah. Yeah, the girls the fifteen years well actually it 0:18:23.840 --> 0:18:25.840 was like five years or so that we had didn't 0:18:25.840 --> 0:18:27.800 lose again fifty I wouldn't stay in high school that long. 0:18:27.840 --> 0:18:33.760 But yeah, years year, five years they were. 0:18:33.880 --> 0:18:37.280 They never lost the game. But some of the names 0:18:37.359 --> 0:18:42.480 like Bill Russell went to our school, Yeah, Frank Robinson lost. 0:18:43.119 --> 0:18:47.800 Kareean no, no, no, no, no, yes, but also Frank Robinson, 0:18:47.880 --> 0:18:50.639 the first Major League baseball coach, Bill Russell, considered the 0:18:50.680 --> 0:18:55.560 best basketball player ever, Wendell Hayes, Vada Pinson, all of 0:18:55.640 --> 0:18:59.159 these guys, Joe Ellis, all these guys became professional athletes, 0:18:59.640 --> 0:19:01.720 the Jewel. So they called us the School of Champions 0:19:02.920 --> 0:19:06.240 because we would just that was our thing, you know, winning, 0:19:06.520 --> 0:19:08.399 We love winning, and we did. 0:19:11.560 --> 0:19:12.200 Him. 0:19:12.600 --> 0:19:14.000 So that's how I was able to go to college 0:19:14.080 --> 0:19:16.960 on a scholarship scholarship. My brother and I both and 0:19:17.119 --> 0:19:23.440 my cousin went to a university on athletic scholarships. In fact, yeah, my, my, 0:19:23.600 --> 0:19:25.919 my fact, my my uncle and my father got together 0:19:26.400 --> 0:19:29.520 and said, uh, well, if you want my cousin, Paul Silas, 0:19:29.560 --> 0:19:32.040 because he was really the star, they said, if you 0:19:32.080 --> 0:19:34.919 want him, you got to take Fritz. And so that's 0:19:34.960 --> 0:19:43.520 how I got. They negotiated me and was already gone, yes, 0:19:43.640 --> 0:19:46.200 Aaron was already gone. But they said, if you want Paul, 0:19:46.280 --> 0:19:51.479 you got to take Fritz. Yes, yeah, yeah, So they 0:19:51.520 --> 0:19:54.040 took me out of reform school to go to play basketball. 0:19:54.320 --> 0:19:58.679 So was what year was the beneficially started. 0:19:58.680 --> 0:19:59.240 I didn't know that. 0:20:15.160 --> 0:20:17.600 That that that that honor goes to Bonnie. She's the 0:20:17.640 --> 0:20:20.359 one who had the vision. She's the one who stepped 0:20:20.359 --> 0:20:22.520 out and said, we got I gotta do something. That 0:20:22.600 --> 0:20:24.920 Ruth and Anita were working jobs. You know, Anita was 0:20:24.920 --> 0:20:28.199 a secretary typing and Ruth was working as a key 0:20:28.280 --> 0:20:32.040 punch operator doing computer stuff and before computers, key punch 0:20:32.720 --> 0:20:35.720 and June was too young. But Bonnie said, hey, I 0:20:35.760 --> 0:20:38.440 want to do something different, and so she took that 0:20:38.720 --> 0:20:42.600 ride over to San Francisco and she and June I 0:20:42.800 --> 0:20:46.480 started singing together pointers a pair. They were called how. 0:20:47.400 --> 0:20:54.760 How culturally different was San Francisco to Oakland and the 0:20:54.880 --> 0:20:56.960 late sixties? Because I know that people consider. 0:20:56.640 --> 0:20:58.040 It totally different. 0:20:58.160 --> 0:21:02.679 Really, so the the whole idea of this utopian uh 0:21:03.520 --> 0:21:05.160 love love thing that's happened. 0:21:04.960 --> 0:21:06.159 I dontink I'm still dressed like that. 0:21:08.520 --> 0:21:11.000 So that wasn't happening in Oakland at the time or 0:21:11.160 --> 0:21:11.639 was it? Just like. 0:21:13.160 --> 0:21:15.760 Most Black Panthers, we were part of the Black Panther 0:21:16.800 --> 0:21:20.080 uprising in Oakland when it happened with Hugh in Newton 0:21:20.480 --> 0:21:22.840 and at the Black Church and then you know Panther Party. 0:21:24.040 --> 0:21:27.159 But then on the other side of Francis, it was 0:21:27.280 --> 0:21:30.080 the hippie and all the love. 0:21:30.280 --> 0:21:33.480 Yeah, it was rock and roll and so much of 0:21:33.560 --> 0:21:35.800 that in Oakland, but rock did see some of it 0:21:35.880 --> 0:21:38.800 in Berkeley. Yeah, you know, more about the colleges, they 0:21:38.920 --> 0:21:40.160 had a lot of you know, used. 0:21:40.080 --> 0:21:41.200 To call it berserk. 0:21:45.280 --> 0:21:48.159 And meskilline and things like that, living people living in 0:21:48.240 --> 0:21:49.719 commune drugs. 0:21:51.720 --> 0:21:54.639 Oakland had a lot of political infrastructure when I returned 0:21:54.680 --> 0:21:58.000 from college. The Urban League, the nb A c P, 0:21:58.400 --> 0:22:03.080 the Nation of Islam, uh, you know, African American Association. Uh, 0:22:03.720 --> 0:22:07.000 all of these organizations were were doing work in Oakland, 0:22:07.080 --> 0:22:09.199 you know, and that was really a very political more 0:22:09.240 --> 0:22:14.200 political than uh than then San Francisco, you know, so 0:22:14.760 --> 0:22:17.920 we got meshed in that. We in San Francisco, we're 0:22:17.920 --> 0:22:21.560 part of the Northern California Black Panther Party before the 0:22:22.640 --> 0:22:26.680 before the Black Panther Party, for we were. 0:22:26.600 --> 0:22:29.879 Talking about because they were talking about the whole establishment 0:22:29.920 --> 0:22:30.960 of Kwansa and whatnot. 0:22:31.720 --> 0:22:34.000 Yeah. In fact, there's a filmer in the in the 0:22:34.080 --> 0:22:36.720 in the in the movie called the Panthers about our organization. 0:22:36.840 --> 0:22:39.119 When the Black Panther part of our self defense came 0:22:39.160 --> 0:22:42.280 from Oakland, San Francisco and shot up our party and 0:22:42.359 --> 0:22:44.840 said we should not call ourselves that name. 0:22:44.920 --> 0:22:45.360 Anymore. 0:22:45.880 --> 0:22:49.320 Yeah, So we said, okay, stole. 0:22:49.040 --> 0:22:53.920 Our money, now you're okay, right, yeah, yeah. 0:22:54.000 --> 0:22:56.360 Because we wanted to be aligned with Lounges County, Alabama 0:22:56.359 --> 0:22:59.000 and the Freedom Democratic Party at Fanny lou Hamer and 0:22:59.119 --> 0:23:00.880 so I know I needed that. We're talking about going 0:23:00.920 --> 0:23:03.879 to uh there to be a part of that movement, 0:23:03.960 --> 0:23:06.920 but with Stokely Carmichael. So we did a lot of 0:23:07.000 --> 0:23:07.600 work there, you know. 0:23:07.680 --> 0:23:12.560 So I didn't poetry with Angela Davis. Time did back 0:23:12.600 --> 0:23:14.000 a couple of points with Angela Davis. 0:23:14.359 --> 0:23:14.840 Really did you? 0:23:14.880 --> 0:23:15.120 Guys? 0:23:15.160 --> 0:23:15.959 Did you publish him? 0:23:16.000 --> 0:23:16.840 Are they can? 0:23:16.880 --> 0:23:17.320 You know? 0:23:17.359 --> 0:23:18.200 I have them in my head? 0:23:19.800 --> 0:23:22.199 Well, Huet Newton was hitting and tired of. 0:23:22.200 --> 0:23:24.600 Being sick and tired lost in the wilderness of white America. 0:23:24.640 --> 0:23:28.159 Are the masses asses cool? Said the masses to the slave, no. 0:23:28.200 --> 0:23:30.160 Problem, don't rob and still I'll be your driving will 0:23:30.840 --> 0:23:33.120 cool baby, And he willed us into three hundred years 0:23:33.200 --> 0:23:36.280 of black madness from hall guts, breaching, creams, promises and 0:23:36.359 --> 0:23:40.320 Uncle Thomas's to the streets to Watts to kill boom. 0:23:40.440 --> 0:23:42.600 Two Honkys gone, motherfucker, the police and Poxes the two 0:23:42.640 --> 0:23:46.560 black people tied, sick and tired of being sick and tired. 0:23:57.600 --> 0:23:59.359 You were saying that Huey Newton used. 0:23:59.200 --> 0:24:01.920 To hit in fact that, in fact that the night 0:24:02.200 --> 0:24:02.600 the night he. 0:24:05.880 --> 0:24:06.960 Knew it was fine though. 0:24:07.240 --> 0:24:08.119 Yeah, he was fine. 0:24:09.320 --> 0:24:13.240 Beautiful brother had the center opened that we were having 0:24:13.240 --> 0:24:13.679 a party. 0:24:13.920 --> 0:24:15.120 Yeah, and he came. 0:24:15.440 --> 0:24:17.600 Yeah, and he tried to get Bonnie to leave with him, 0:24:18.080 --> 0:24:21.880 did I And she didn't go. A little while later, 0:24:21.920 --> 0:24:25.480 we get this pot call he's been shot. Yeah, so 0:24:25.640 --> 0:24:28.480 we all was glad. High in the hospital. 0:24:28.680 --> 0:24:30.800 Yeah, we got We got a car caravan of about 0:24:30.840 --> 0:24:33.320 ten cars and went to the hospital just to stand. 0:24:33.080 --> 0:24:36.440 Around because they had arrested him, staying he had shot 0:24:36.480 --> 0:24:36.800 a cop. 0:24:37.040 --> 0:24:40.120 Yeah. Yeah, so we went there to just make sure 0:24:40.119 --> 0:24:41.920 that they didn't do too much harm to him. 0:24:43.160 --> 0:24:46.640 The police let us know, you better get out of here. 0:24:47.240 --> 0:24:50.720 The game with their dogs their good. 0:24:51.560 --> 0:24:52.120 You could hear them. 0:24:52.880 --> 0:24:55.080 They stood in the line and everyone dispersed. 0:24:55.440 --> 0:24:55.640 Yeah. 0:24:55.720 --> 0:24:58.480 Yeah, and we ran away, ran. 0:25:00.119 --> 0:25:04.120 Got away to live another day. 0:25:04.800 --> 0:25:06.280 Oh yeah, jump. 0:25:06.359 --> 0:25:08.679 Oh that was just at a crazy. 0:25:10.080 --> 0:25:13.399 So that was one drive guy in my lifetime. We 0:25:13.440 --> 0:25:16.000 were in a drive by and that was in Oakland. Yeah, 0:25:16.240 --> 0:25:17.760 we were at a party in the backyard. 0:25:17.880 --> 0:25:20.159 Marty and the guy had a fight with somebody back 0:25:20.240 --> 0:25:23.000 there and came by shooting, and we jumped the fence 0:25:23.000 --> 0:25:23.240 and and. 0:25:23.280 --> 0:25:32.840 Get so far was that we got in convertible. It 0:25:32.960 --> 0:25:37.359 was a pink, pink convertible. We're trying to dugle on. 0:25:38.880 --> 0:25:39.679 Oh my gosh. 0:25:40.080 --> 0:25:43.159 So then you're already ready for this book to be 0:25:44.000 --> 0:25:44.840 the movie. 0:25:45.119 --> 0:25:48.800 Yes we are. Yeah, it'll be out in February. It'll 0:25:48.800 --> 0:25:52.520 be out in February. February this coming year, February Black 0:25:52.600 --> 0:25:53.120 History Month. 0:25:53.600 --> 0:25:57.360 Yeah, so black black, Yeah. 0:26:00.040 --> 0:26:01.120 Get back up out a day. 0:26:03.880 --> 0:26:05.800 Back when, back when it was Point as a pair. 0:26:06.200 --> 0:26:07.520 You guys were signed to Atlantic. 0:26:08.520 --> 0:26:10.879 No, we weren't signed to anyone then. No, we were 0:26:10.920 --> 0:26:15.000 just singing all over over San Francisco and everywhere. And 0:26:15.440 --> 0:26:20.679 in June we became when Anita joined the group. Then 0:26:20.760 --> 0:26:22.280 we became the Pointer Sisters. 0:26:22.600 --> 0:26:25.439 Okay, and was signed to Atlantic and signed to Atlanta. 0:26:25.520 --> 0:26:28.240 Terry Wexler saw we were playing at the Troubadour. We 0:26:28.320 --> 0:26:30.720 were backup singers, Me and Bonnie and June were backup 0:26:30.720 --> 0:26:34.480 seekers for groups in San Francisco, and we were. 0:26:34.400 --> 0:26:36.760 Saying, I don't know on my Sevester records, I've seen 0:26:36.800 --> 0:26:37.160 your name. 0:26:37.440 --> 0:26:42.040 Oh yeah, yeah, I have so much fun with them. 0:26:42.760 --> 0:26:49.840 We were seeing he had the best clothes, Like I know, 0:26:52.920 --> 0:26:57.560 you got flying chickens on stage, hoops, wo fire people 0:26:57.640 --> 0:27:01.600 jumping through the hoops, and just people on swings. It 0:27:01.720 --> 0:27:04.320 was just like a circus. And we had we could 0:27:04.359 --> 0:27:06.760 have come out there and be singing our hands off 0:27:07.119 --> 0:27:09.440 as high as we could go because his voice was 0:27:09.520 --> 0:27:11.520 high right, and he wanted us above him. 0:27:12.520 --> 0:27:15.080 Our veins would be popping out of our next I. 0:27:15.080 --> 0:27:16.919 Think you said, did you did you? Did you attend 0:27:17.000 --> 0:27:19.960 his wedding at first kind of the first game wedding 0:27:20.119 --> 0:27:25.399 in San Francisco, Funny went to wedding? 0:27:26.240 --> 0:27:29.440 What was that in Golden Gate Park and Park? 0:27:29.520 --> 0:27:31.800 I'm saying, what did they What was the first dance? 0:27:31.920 --> 0:27:34.600 I don't I don't remember. We were too high, that. 0:27:39.240 --> 0:27:39.879 Makes sense to me. 0:27:40.960 --> 0:27:43.920 Tell you it was six was it seventy seventy two 0:27:44.040 --> 0:27:47.520 seventy one or something like that. Yeah, we all went 0:27:47.560 --> 0:27:47.720 to go. 0:27:47.800 --> 0:27:50.440 It was like seventy two seventy one. Yeah, just before 0:27:50.480 --> 0:27:52.960 we did our finished our We were finishing our album 0:27:53.000 --> 0:27:53.560 at the same time. 0:27:54.080 --> 0:27:57.280 Yeah, yeah, yeah, we loved his clothes. 0:27:57.920 --> 0:27:59.520 When when was the trip There was a trip where 0:27:59.520 --> 0:28:01.920 they took to I think Mississippi when they told you 0:28:02.040 --> 0:28:05.080 you couldn't sing. Uh, they had to sing you couldn't sing. 0:28:06.040 --> 0:28:08.159 That was what when we did the thing with Elvin 0:28:08.200 --> 0:28:10.800 at the Whiskey of Go Go with Jerry Wexler was 0:28:10.880 --> 0:28:13.960 in the audience and he called David Rubinson and said, 0:28:13.960 --> 0:28:16.680 I want to sign these girls. And like the next 0:28:16.760 --> 0:28:19.439 day we were off to New Orleans and from New 0:28:19.560 --> 0:28:22.080 Orleans to be with Wardale Kazar and from there we 0:28:22.160 --> 0:28:28.680 went to Jackson, Mississippi. Yeah. Jerry Wexler Aretha's producer. Yeah, 0:28:29.640 --> 0:28:34.760 and they got there, they gave us like five songs 0:28:34.800 --> 0:28:35.840 to learn overnight. 0:28:38.280 --> 0:28:43.440 How okay, Because of the intricacies of your presentation, First 0:28:43.440 --> 0:28:45.560 of all, when you're the point of Sisters, did you 0:28:45.600 --> 0:28:46.760 guys come out the gate? 0:28:47.320 --> 0:28:47.680 In the. 0:28:49.160 --> 0:28:53.320 Sort of filtered Andrew Sisters forties stick thing that. 0:28:54.200 --> 0:28:55.400 Defined you guys. 0:28:55.600 --> 0:29:00.400 For your first Blue Blue Note reclue, like was it, 0:29:01.800 --> 0:29:04.200 did you guys come out the gate? As in, Okay, 0:29:04.200 --> 0:29:07.000 our approach, it's going to be these forties harmonies with 0:29:08.120 --> 0:29:09.720 the dresses and we. 0:29:09.800 --> 0:29:12.080 Had the forties look, but we wanted to sing everything. 0:29:13.640 --> 0:29:15.400 And on the first but the first two albums we 0:29:15.480 --> 0:29:17.520 did stick with the jazz. We did a lot of 0:29:17.600 --> 0:29:18.720 jazz on the first two. 0:29:18.640 --> 0:29:26.240 Albums Cloudburst yea nine, How did you guys rehearse that? 0:29:26.360 --> 0:29:28.040 Because that's so intricate. 0:29:27.920 --> 0:29:30.920 Start off slow and yeah yeah, but we worked on 0:29:31.040 --> 0:29:34.800 it for you know, weeks. We sang it slow. Everybody 0:29:34.880 --> 0:29:36.680 get their note and you sing it slow and every 0:29:36.720 --> 0:29:37.440 day you speed it up. 0:29:38.120 --> 0:29:40.120 It's so hard for me to imagine that because, I mean, 0:29:40.240 --> 0:29:43.239 now with technology, I can go on the internet look 0:29:43.320 --> 0:29:46.440 up lyrics, you know, instantly repeat stuff. 0:29:46.520 --> 0:29:49.520 But you know, like there's a lot of words in Cloudburst. 0:29:49.640 --> 0:29:52.120 I know, so we got we got recognized in the 0:29:52.240 --> 0:29:54.920 Encyclopedia Britannica for singing five hundred words a minute. 0:29:56.080 --> 0:29:58.120 Yeah, I know, Like, how how long did it take 0:29:58.160 --> 0:30:01.520 you before you mastered? Mastered it perfectly? 0:30:01.840 --> 0:30:03.680 After we fainted in the studio. 0:30:06.640 --> 0:30:07.800 A few times a week? 0:30:07.920 --> 0:30:11.440 Two weeks maybe, Yeah, it would take working day for hours. 0:30:11.960 --> 0:30:16.040 We go to David's office and just had a keyboard 0:30:16.080 --> 0:30:17.080 player that would just play it. 0:30:17.920 --> 0:30:20.760 You can tell like that that to me, like I 0:30:20.840 --> 0:30:23.280 feel like, whenever I want to put somebody. 0:30:23.080 --> 0:30:30.440 Down, that was always oh no, no, no, I knew 0:30:30.520 --> 0:30:33.200 from first you were my love because that's new great clubbers. 0:30:33.360 --> 0:30:34.480 My heart really flew. 0:30:38.000 --> 0:30:43.000 Class the first I Found Your Love and that's clubs. 0:30:43.640 --> 0:30:50.520 Yeah. Well, one of the things about that is that 0:30:50.640 --> 0:30:53.520 you know they were when they went to this southern event, 0:30:54.360 --> 0:30:56.520 they were told that they not supposed that they wanted 0:30:56.520 --> 0:30:57.680 to put them in a mold. 0:30:57.480 --> 0:31:01.720 And with the yeah, and we went from Jerry Wexler's 0:31:01.880 --> 0:31:03.680 said he wanted to sign us. They sent us down 0:31:03.760 --> 0:31:06.160 there to Wardale because they're and we went in singing 0:31:06.720 --> 0:31:09.480 country songs and uh, what else we have? 0:31:10.360 --> 0:31:10.640 Jada? 0:31:10.720 --> 0:31:12.840 Do we have Jada? Then too, and some other songs, 0:31:13.760 --> 0:31:16.240 and they laughed in our face. They told us, you 0:31:16.320 --> 0:31:18.720 can't sing songs like that. You guys are black girls, 0:31:18.760 --> 0:31:19.520 and you gotta sing like. 0:31:19.560 --> 0:31:21.760 The Jackson five. I want you to sound like the 0:31:21.840 --> 0:31:23.360 Honeycomb and he comes in the docks. 0:31:23.480 --> 0:31:24.160 That's what they told us. 0:31:24.160 --> 0:31:26.360 So then they gave me like the Honeycomb, a song 0:31:26.440 --> 0:31:28.160 called Don't try to take the Fifth on Me. 0:31:28.400 --> 0:31:30.920 Yeah. They gave us some songs that we lord. 0:31:31.560 --> 0:31:33.560 Yeah, yeah, we did them and they put them out. 0:31:33.560 --> 0:31:36.000 They didn't do anything we knew. There wasn't us. 0:31:36.280 --> 0:31:40.480 Objection, not gone well, not gone with. 0:31:42.880 --> 0:31:45.520 Question and nature. 0:31:45.880 --> 0:31:46.320 Okay, So. 0:31:47.800 --> 0:31:50.600 It was very unorthodox though, because you guys were like 0:31:50.680 --> 0:31:54.800 the first throwback group. Even though throwback wasn't a thing 0:31:54.960 --> 0:31:58.160 back in the seventies, you know, like the whole nostalgia 0:31:58.200 --> 0:32:01.760 culture things didn't really wasn't a thing that you guys 0:32:01.880 --> 0:32:03.560 were even taking it before the fifties. 0:32:03.600 --> 0:32:06.440 You were taking it to likewies and forties. 0:32:06.720 --> 0:32:09.440 Yeah, oh yeah, How did you guys convince? 0:32:10.360 --> 0:32:10.479 Uh? 0:32:10.760 --> 0:32:13.160 Well, you're you're still at Atlantic with short you went 0:32:13.200 --> 0:32:18.040 to Bob was Bob cresnew president of uh huh? What 0:32:18.520 --> 0:32:21.640 made him see the vision of you guys and what 0:32:21.800 --> 0:32:22.200 you could be? 0:32:23.600 --> 0:32:26.959 I think it was David David Rubinson. David Rubinson had 0:32:27.000 --> 0:32:29.200 a bit that thing. Yeah. Yeah, he was familiar with 0:32:29.320 --> 0:32:32.880 the catalog of jazz and Lambert Hendrickson Ross and Disica 0:32:32.960 --> 0:32:36.320 Lespie and Duke Ellington, and he wanted all of them. 0:32:36.560 --> 0:32:39.560 And when yes, and when they said, you know, we 0:32:39.640 --> 0:32:41.959 can sing anything, don't put us in a box, then 0:32:42.080 --> 0:32:44.360 David must have heard that and said okay, and then 0:32:44.400 --> 0:32:48.320 they able to do it. Yeah, yeah, and so what Yeah. 0:32:49.880 --> 0:32:54.120 When we got the record back from New Orleans, that Wardale, 0:32:54.120 --> 0:32:58.440 because there did that we recorded in Jackson, Mississippi, David 0:32:58.520 --> 0:33:05.480 Rubinson took the record and threw it across the it was, 0:33:09.320 --> 0:33:11.320 this is not what I wanted you to do. 0:33:11.480 --> 0:33:13.800 This is not what I wanted for your division. 0:33:14.080 --> 0:33:16.040 Yeah, it wasn't what we wanted to do either, because 0:33:16.040 --> 0:33:18.120 they just you know, didn't let us do our music. 0:33:18.200 --> 0:33:20.280 They took one country song that we took to them, 0:33:21.320 --> 0:33:26.680 Tulsa County, Oh my god, count and they they took 0:33:26.760 --> 0:33:29.520 that song and you wouldn't recognize it. After they finished 0:33:29.520 --> 0:33:31.240 with it, they rearranged it into an R and B 0:33:31.520 --> 0:33:35.280 country song, so it didn't need the sound country anymore, 0:33:37.240 --> 0:33:41.040 saying man, you're black, you can't say no country music, right, right, And. 0:33:41.120 --> 0:33:43.240 That reoccurred when they went to the Grand Ole Opry 0:33:43.320 --> 0:33:46.280 and they had signs out in the front greeting them 0:33:46.400 --> 0:33:50.840 saying keep country white, keep it keep yeah, yeah, keep 0:33:50.920 --> 0:33:53.800 country country, country country, Yeah, in front of the Grand 0:33:53.840 --> 0:33:54.320 Ole Opry. 0:33:54.360 --> 0:33:58.840 That was the original makerber great again, right exactly exactly, 0:33:59.400 --> 0:34:02.960 say yes, same thing, that's right, that's right. 0:34:03.840 --> 0:34:06.960 Yeah. So that was quite an event. And you know, 0:34:07.160 --> 0:34:09.520 the country western part of it, you know. 0:34:15.840 --> 0:34:21.040 Yes we can't can, which was Alan wrote that for 0:34:21.080 --> 0:34:21.840 you guys Allan. 0:34:23.520 --> 0:34:25.920 Lee Dorsey did it, Yeah, he did it first. How 0:34:25.960 --> 0:34:28.319 did you what was whose idea was it to cover 0:34:28.400 --> 0:34:28.680 that song. 0:34:28.760 --> 0:34:31.359 It was a pointers says. We had the record at 0:34:31.400 --> 0:34:34.200 the Lee Dorsey album and we took it to Day 0:34:34.239 --> 0:34:35.840 but it said this is the message we want to 0:34:35.880 --> 0:34:39.160 get to the world. So then we wrote the vamp 0:34:40.200 --> 0:34:43.520 the end of the song. But Alan wouldn't give us 0:34:43.520 --> 0:34:45.960 any credits on it. He said the song was to 0:34:46.320 --> 0:34:49.840 my song, my song, I give you no writers credits, 0:34:50.360 --> 0:34:52.560 even though we wrote the whole end. Now the time 0:34:52.640 --> 0:34:54.520 all the people come together as an equal take the 0:34:54.560 --> 0:34:57.200 burden off your brother, got to love one another. How 0:34:57.280 --> 0:34:59.279 can you sit there like there's nothing to do, just 0:34:59.360 --> 0:35:01.160 like you don't care with this world is coming to 0:35:03.520 --> 0:35:06.640 so many needy, so many poor understanding is the key 0:35:06.719 --> 0:35:08.239 to the door, you know? 0:35:09.960 --> 0:35:12.680 And you know for their first debut performance, what what 0:35:12.840 --> 0:35:14.640 club was that the built? Built? 0:35:14.840 --> 0:35:14.960 Was it? 0:35:15.360 --> 0:35:18.320 You know where you did the where the Klan was 0:35:18.360 --> 0:35:19.120 in the uniforms? 0:35:19.600 --> 0:35:27.240 That was Bimbo and Ku Klex Klan. 0:35:27.200 --> 0:35:33.160 Their debut performance. The performance the band was in a 0:35:33.239 --> 0:35:34.320 Ku Klux Klan uniform. 0:35:34.320 --> 0:35:36.440 We were dressed like Billy Holiday. That was funny. 0:35:36.760 --> 0:35:39.120 And the band was dressed in hoods and capes and 0:35:40.480 --> 0:35:42.960 and they were playing their guitars and playing in their 0:35:43.000 --> 0:36:00.520 Hoods that kind of funny now, But our own backup 0:36:00.560 --> 0:36:01.719 band was the klu Klux Klan. 0:36:01.880 --> 0:36:03.719 Can you believe it? Can you believe it? 0:36:04.400 --> 0:36:06.600 Like Billie Holidays and everything that was so wonderful. 0:36:08.440 --> 0:36:12.520 I didn't even notice the band, didn't. We got off 0:36:12.600 --> 0:36:16.560 the stage and I saw pictures. Yeah, turn around, and 0:36:16.600 --> 0:36:18.000 then nobody turned once, so we did. 0:36:18.280 --> 0:36:20.120 I was so nervous on the first show. 0:36:20.320 --> 0:36:23.239 Yeah, I didn't even realize they wouldn't know that who 0:36:23.320 --> 0:36:24.440 the band was. I didn't know. 0:36:24.520 --> 0:36:26.200 I didn't care because I wouldn't pan them no attention. 0:36:26.680 --> 0:36:33.000 Yeah, those three sixties, that was our very first, our 0:36:33.080 --> 0:36:34.319 first American show. 0:36:36.360 --> 0:36:40.080 Oh my god, Oh my god. 0:36:43.520 --> 0:36:44.879 Did you have the Klan band too? 0:36:49.160 --> 0:36:50.920 No? We did not. No. 0:36:52.560 --> 0:36:57.520 Wow, So what what was the what was the touring 0:36:57.640 --> 0:37:01.600 circuit like for that specific period? Because I know that 0:37:02.640 --> 0:37:04.800 at least with the Summer of Love, like between sixty 0:37:04.880 --> 0:37:08.320 seven and seventy three. Uh, Bill Graham was into mixing, 0:37:09.000 --> 0:37:12.239 you know, Miles Davis and the Grateful Dead, Like would 0:37:12.280 --> 0:37:15.279 you guys fit in anything that was Bill grammish at all? 0:37:15.400 --> 0:37:23.239 Or he was our manager managed the Fillmore West, Fillmore East. Yes, 0:37:23.320 --> 0:37:25.360 it was our manager, but he said. 0:37:28.560 --> 0:37:30.360 He didn't be able to know that. He was always 0:37:30.360 --> 0:37:31.279 giving us money and he. 0:37:35.560 --> 0:37:36.319 Think everybody that. 0:37:38.000 --> 0:37:41.080 He did very meant so influenced our career and helped 0:37:41.160 --> 0:37:44.440 us along and to grow be what we are now today. 0:37:45.120 --> 0:37:48.520 So would he promote you via the rock circuit or 0:37:48.719 --> 0:37:50.839 like we were doing backup. 0:37:50.520 --> 0:37:51.279 Singing at the time. 0:37:51.320 --> 0:37:54.120 We were back up going to feel More West singing 0:37:54.160 --> 0:38:01.120 with Evanship Maha Jefferson airplane and we lived right across 0:38:01.120 --> 0:38:08.279 the street from did not get in line, so we 0:38:08.400 --> 0:38:12.240 were always there. Bill Graham was our man. He loves. 0:38:14.280 --> 0:38:17.719 Really So was it just like mere seconds to learn 0:38:17.800 --> 0:38:18.960 a song or like just. 0:38:19.680 --> 0:38:21.279 Going to make up our own backgrounds with them? 0:38:22.200 --> 0:38:22.359 Oh? 0:38:22.640 --> 0:38:22.839 Yeah. 0:38:22.960 --> 0:38:25.520 We did a lot of background singing on record and 0:38:25.600 --> 0:38:27.279 we would go in and they would play the track 0:38:27.320 --> 0:38:29.480 and they say, now what would you put what background 0:38:29.480 --> 0:38:31.759 would you put on this man? So we would make 0:38:31.840 --> 0:38:33.160 up the background parts. 0:38:33.239 --> 0:38:35.160 The situation for David Sessions. 0:38:36.440 --> 0:38:38.800 Yeah, we did with some. Betty she was funny. She 0:38:39.040 --> 0:38:41.120 was really around. 0:38:42.200 --> 0:38:43.239 She is actually. 0:38:44.640 --> 0:38:50.640 The documentary stepping in her mail the shoes. Yeah, Betty 0:38:50.760 --> 0:38:51.120 was cool. 0:38:52.680 --> 0:38:54.960 So was that just a regular day? I mean, because 0:38:56.840 --> 0:39:00.439 she's so uh mysterious with her you know, her life 0:39:00.480 --> 0:39:03.680 and everything that this documentary is finally our first glimpse 0:39:03.760 --> 0:39:07.200 into really was there anything notable about those sessions at all? 0:39:07.480 --> 0:39:09.440 Or I was just like, all right, we woke up 0:39:09.440 --> 0:39:11.200 one day, who Betty Davis looking. 0:39:16.920 --> 0:39:17.200 Pants? 0:39:17.239 --> 0:39:23.040 And she wrote that song about I mil shoes. 0:39:22.840 --> 0:39:23.640 I find out? 0:39:31.200 --> 0:39:33.080 All right, I want I'm gonna skip to seventy five 0:39:33.280 --> 0:39:39.000 when you guys did the Stepping album speaking of shoes. Yeah, 0:39:39.400 --> 0:39:41.520 I think the very first song I ever learned to 0:39:41.560 --> 0:39:43.640 play on drums was I bet you got a. 0:39:43.680 --> 0:39:45.319 Chick on the side, Get out of here. 0:39:49.640 --> 0:39:51.239 I mean, by that point I was big enough to 0:39:51.239 --> 0:39:55.360 actually fit on my dad's My father's a German drummer. 0:39:56.080 --> 0:39:56.759 No, no, no, he was. 0:39:57.000 --> 0:40:01.440 My father was an oldiest singer. But his band, uh, 0:40:02.160 --> 0:40:03.520 you know, I used to always sneak on the drum 0:40:03.560 --> 0:40:03.880 set and. 0:40:03.920 --> 0:40:06.239 So sen of you for a minute, let's see what's 0:40:06.280 --> 0:40:06.520 going on. 0:40:11.200 --> 0:40:17.120 But I'll say that, uh, the Stepping album, especially with 0:40:18.200 --> 0:40:24.399 I sleeping alone and what's the other Stevie's yeah, bring. 0:40:27.400 --> 0:40:27.600 Yeah. 0:40:28.480 --> 0:40:30.239 What were those sessions like working with them? 0:40:30.520 --> 0:40:34.400 Oh? They were just heavenly. I don't hardly remember. I 0:40:34.560 --> 0:40:36.640 was sing off Stevie. 0:40:39.080 --> 0:40:41.240 Sing but you're gazing into space? 0:40:41.520 --> 0:40:42.720 And we wrote together. 0:40:42.880 --> 0:40:45.520 We went to the condos and we were living in Saucelito, 0:40:45.719 --> 0:40:48.560 and he came over to Scalyo to our condo and 0:40:48.719 --> 0:40:52.440 we rode and then we went back to David's studio 0:40:52.600 --> 0:40:55.200 and we went to Wally Hiders studio in San Francisco, 0:40:57.320 --> 0:40:58.480 and it was just magical. 0:40:58.640 --> 0:40:58.800 You know. 0:40:58.920 --> 0:41:01.040 I was just happy to were working with him. I 0:41:01.200 --> 0:41:03.320 loved him with all my heart. And then to be 0:41:03.400 --> 0:41:05.920 able to work with him too and write some songs. 0:41:06.040 --> 0:41:09.000 And I noticed we got we got credit on baby 0:41:09.040 --> 0:41:13.920 Bringing Your Sweet Stuff Home to Me, and and we 0:41:14.040 --> 0:41:16.080 wrote another one with him called Sleeping Alone, but we 0:41:16.120 --> 0:41:18.560 didn't get any credits on it. So, Stevie, if you're 0:41:18.560 --> 0:41:21.680 out there, tell me. 0:41:28.280 --> 0:41:29.880 I said the same thing on ourselves. 0:41:31.200 --> 0:41:32.719 You know, I wrote the whole into that song. It 0:41:32.719 --> 0:41:33.640 can give me some credits. 0:41:33.640 --> 0:41:38.360 Come on, Steven, wait on that. 0:41:39.239 --> 0:41:42.480 I'm sure he's not addling the publishing, you know himself. 0:41:42.600 --> 0:41:45.799 So and those people that do, they're all about the money. 0:41:45.840 --> 0:41:47.239 They don't care about nothing. 0:41:47.000 --> 0:41:53.200 Else, right Unfortunately, So with the the having a Party project, 0:41:54.200 --> 0:41:57.000 it was the approach was less about the forty what 0:41:58.000 --> 0:41:58.759 what means you guys? 0:41:59.840 --> 0:42:05.520 Just stylistically to modernize the group and not yeah forty 0:42:05.600 --> 0:42:06.120 sing anymore. 0:42:06.120 --> 0:42:07.000 Whose decision was that? 0:42:08.840 --> 0:42:12.239 Well, I guess a joint decision of us and producer. 0:42:13.040 --> 0:42:15.239 But we have been doing these songs, you know, and 0:42:15.560 --> 0:42:21.520 getting gold albums and but it it made no difference. 0:42:21.520 --> 0:42:23.640 You know, they barely would hear them on the radio. 0:42:24.160 --> 0:42:26.400 The songs wouldn't be played just. 0:42:26.480 --> 0:42:27.040 Like now huh. 0:42:30.080 --> 0:42:35.000 But once we got a gold single, everything changed, and 0:42:35.040 --> 0:42:36.839 I guess that's what we were headed for. We didn't 0:42:36.880 --> 0:42:39.440 get it with David with having a party, but we 0:42:39.560 --> 0:42:44.560 got some nice fun stuff on that record and great musicians. 0:42:45.200 --> 0:42:50.200 It's weird because for hip hop, that's an album that 0:42:51.080 --> 0:42:53.880 a lot of hip hop produces gravitate towards because of 0:42:55.160 --> 0:42:59.480 you know, there's hip hop producers hear things different, so 0:42:59.680 --> 0:43:01.880 it's like like if there's a good four bars, there 0:43:02.000 --> 0:43:04.640 four bars, you know, that's sort of things. So, yeah, 0:43:04.719 --> 0:43:08.719 a lot of notable hip hop classics were you know, 0:43:08.960 --> 0:43:14.440 the foundation of a lot of the musical backdrop. That's 0:43:14.480 --> 0:43:17.279 an album to go to, you know with like drum 0:43:17.360 --> 0:43:22.720 loops and whatnot. That's good, but for you, you didn't 0:43:22.840 --> 0:43:24.960 particularly enjoy that album or that project or. 0:43:26.680 --> 0:43:29.719 That was the last project with David we did have 0:43:29.800 --> 0:43:33.680 the train station in La Union. It was just a 0:43:33.800 --> 0:43:37.640 crazy day. I remember it's working so hard and sweating, and. 0:43:39.719 --> 0:43:40.520 I don't remember it. 0:43:42.440 --> 0:43:43.120 Was hot. 0:43:43.520 --> 0:43:45.719 It was oh god, it was a fun day. 0:43:45.760 --> 0:43:47.239 Though. I enjoyed the video. 0:43:47.440 --> 0:43:50.239 I enjoyed it, Okay. So how uh. 0:43:51.840 --> 0:43:54.319 As far as like the four of you concerned? I mean, 0:43:54.400 --> 0:43:59.680 because you know, it's family members sometimes agreeable, sometimes they 0:43:59.719 --> 0:44:03.360 bicker or whatnot. But like, how is it like is 0:44:03.400 --> 0:44:07.160 it truly always an agreeable atmosphere? Like how do you 0:44:07.200 --> 0:44:11.359 guys settle your differences and you're together all the time 0:44:11.480 --> 0:44:12.600 and you know how. 0:44:12.640 --> 0:44:16.240 Respect Yeah, and knowing each other as we grew together, 0:44:16.440 --> 0:44:22.400 you know, we just seemed to know what buttons not 0:44:22.640 --> 0:44:25.600 to push, you know, and when it'll be quiet. 0:44:25.719 --> 0:44:28.080 Me being the shortest and that one of the youngest. 0:44:28.239 --> 0:44:32.640 I believe me. I wasn't pushing no button nobody else's 0:44:32.680 --> 0:44:35.320 but not the tall people ain't too tall. 0:44:36.160 --> 0:44:38.880 No, she got tougher because she was the smallest, the 0:44:39.320 --> 0:44:43.759 biggest mouth, always ready to to get somebody. And Jack 0:44:44.040 --> 0:44:46.800 was the baby, so she was always handled with kid gloves. 0:44:46.840 --> 0:44:49.680 She was always kind of fragile, she really was, you know, 0:44:49.840 --> 0:44:52.759 And we kind of took care of her as much 0:44:52.800 --> 0:44:53.319 as we could. 0:44:54.520 --> 0:44:58.680 So you eventually went to Motown in seventy eight, seventy six, 0:44:58.719 --> 0:45:03.640 seventy eight with you released what Heaven must have sent you. 0:45:04.320 --> 0:45:07.280 I think I gotta say that all all. 0:45:07.160 --> 0:45:14.120 Of your soul training appearances, we're legendary because you and 0:45:14.200 --> 0:45:15.360 Don's flirt game. 0:45:16.920 --> 0:45:20.440 How much speak of Sea Ones, I'll. 0:45:20.280 --> 0:45:25.120 Hook you up. I got you on that you and 0:45:25.200 --> 0:45:29.080 Don's flirt game was really really I'll say that. 0:45:29.520 --> 0:45:32.560 I don't I don't know what it was, but you know, there, 0:45:32.600 --> 0:45:34.320 I always felt like there was a lot of inside 0:45:34.400 --> 0:45:37.560 jokes whenever he would talk to you, like he would 0:45:38.760 --> 0:45:39.879 flirt with you the most. 0:45:55.239 --> 0:46:05.040 I'm keeping my mouth ship, so I would like. 0:46:05.120 --> 0:46:05.360 To know. 0:46:08.200 --> 0:46:12.720 Boss Bill and I for about maybe four or five years, 0:46:13.600 --> 0:46:17.760 we did a course as quasi professors at. 0:46:18.320 --> 0:46:20.160 N Y Youth and. 0:46:21.760 --> 0:46:25.880 One of the main themes of our class was the 0:46:26.000 --> 0:46:31.319 idea of what the eighties represented as far as uh 0:46:31.920 --> 0:46:38.040 for black groups transitioning too, what what lay ahead, or 0:46:38.080 --> 0:46:41.560 the idea of For some reason, the idea of crossovers 0:46:41.600 --> 0:46:45.719 seemed like a four letter word, But you know, I 0:46:45.719 --> 0:46:48.439 always explained to our class. There's a scene in film 0:46:48.480 --> 0:46:50.880 and Luiz where the very last scene. I don't want 0:46:50.920 --> 0:46:51.600 to spoiler alert. 0:46:51.760 --> 0:47:00.840 Did you see the movie, you know, the Cliff on 0:47:00.920 --> 0:47:02.799 the Cliff, But for. 0:47:04.440 --> 0:47:07.319 You know, for a lot of black artists that were 0:47:07.400 --> 0:47:12.160 notable in the seventies, uh, the eighties represented a cliff jump, 0:47:12.400 --> 0:47:16.400 and either some group's idea was to okay, well, the 0:47:16.480 --> 0:47:19.600 lead singer has to go, so I you know, Richie 0:47:20.600 --> 0:47:24.040 leaves the common doors and Michael Jackson eventually his way 0:47:24.080 --> 0:47:27.160 out of his family to go solo. And then some 0:47:27.320 --> 0:47:30.320 other groups kind of had a do or die situation, 0:47:30.440 --> 0:47:33.759 which is like either roll with the punches or you know, 0:47:33.920 --> 0:47:37.560 get left back into nostalgiaville. And I'll say that you guys, 0:47:38.920 --> 0:47:44.319 probably out of all the acts that attempted, that jump 0:47:44.800 --> 0:47:48.280 fared the best. Uh you know, Earth went and fired 0:47:48.719 --> 0:47:51.840 trying to make that jump cool in the gang, same situation. 0:47:54.640 --> 0:47:57.480 What when you guys went to Planet Records. I don't 0:47:57.480 --> 0:48:00.440 know what label that was under, but yeah, I know 0:48:00.520 --> 0:48:05.319 that you guys work with with Freddie Perrin Bridger parent par. 0:48:07.280 --> 0:48:07.400 Uh. 0:48:09.000 --> 0:48:14.440 What what was the trust situation between him as a 0:48:14.480 --> 0:48:18.319 producer and the group as far as. 0:48:18.280 --> 0:48:22.000 Convincing you guys to like see things my way? And 0:48:22.080 --> 0:48:26.960 I'm gonna put push you in a different direction, which. 0:48:26.880 --> 0:48:29.840 We kind of went to him wanting a different direction, 0:48:30.600 --> 0:48:33.879 and he liked our ideas. We took songs to him 0:48:35.600 --> 0:48:39.640 and uh, what were the songs? Everybody is a Star? 0:48:41.320 --> 0:48:44.600 It was one of the songs we took and let's see. 0:48:44.480 --> 0:48:47.840 I remember you did ah well Fired? 0:48:53.120 --> 0:48:53.319 Yeah? 0:48:54.400 --> 0:48:56.520 Yeah, but. 0:48:58.200 --> 0:49:00.400 No, I'm just saying that, Oh, well, do you revealed 0:49:00.400 --> 0:49:02.120 to me that you guys went to him? In my mind, 0:49:02.160 --> 0:49:06.960 I'm thinking usually when we ask people that come on 0:49:07.080 --> 0:49:10.440 our show, usually it's a thing where it's like, yeah, 0:49:10.520 --> 0:49:12.200 the label told us we have to do that, we 0:49:12.320 --> 0:49:16.280 have to do that, and always wanted to know because 0:49:16.320 --> 0:49:20.320 you're you're probably the first act that really has four stages, 0:49:20.560 --> 0:49:23.040 you know, Lias a singing act, four stages of. 0:49:23.360 --> 0:49:25.560 Life, as I had the list of the songs on 0:49:25.640 --> 0:49:27.360 my first album because there were a few that we 0:49:27.480 --> 0:49:31.480 brought to him. But he liked what we our ideas 0:49:31.680 --> 0:49:35.080 and we wanted to get away from the nostalgia thing 0:49:35.239 --> 0:49:37.680 because we didn't want people to compare it to what 0:49:37.800 --> 0:49:42.040 we used to do. We wanted to do something totally 0:49:42.080 --> 0:49:46.520 different and also more commercial. We ended up with Fire 0:49:46.719 --> 0:49:51.240 getting our first goal single and it made such a difference. 0:49:51.280 --> 0:49:53.680 We had gold albums and we never had a goal 0:49:53.760 --> 0:49:56.240 single before. But once we got that goal single, everything 0:49:56.320 --> 0:49:59.040 just shot up. Everything just went hey, it went crazy. 0:49:59.160 --> 0:50:00.759 You know, I wish I written that song. 0:50:00.920 --> 0:50:07.480 Bruce song to you guys are like Howard Songs presented 0:50:07.520 --> 0:50:07.640 to you. 0:50:07.840 --> 0:50:10.000 Richard Perry brought it to us and I heard it 0:50:10.160 --> 0:50:15.640 was originally recorded and written for Elvis Presley. But because 0:50:15.640 --> 0:50:16.840 when they brought it in and played it for it, 0:50:16.880 --> 0:50:20.120 so it's like I'm running in your car, wait turn 0:50:20.239 --> 0:50:24.440 on the radio. And I said what I said, maybe 0:50:24.520 --> 0:50:29.120 Ruthy should sing it. He said, I want you to 0:50:29.280 --> 0:50:32.520 sing it, and that nice, So I said, it is 0:50:33.960 --> 0:50:35.640 our first gold single. 0:50:35.800 --> 0:50:38.279 Well that was a kind of another kind of a 0:50:38.680 --> 0:50:42.320 mold breaking experience too, because there you ran into like 0:50:42.440 --> 0:50:44.960 you did with the country music. Black girls don't sing 0:50:45.080 --> 0:50:48.040 rock and roll, right, that was a crazy idea. I 0:50:48.080 --> 0:50:49.640 don't know where he got that from, but that's what 0:50:49.719 --> 0:50:50.120 I read that. 0:50:50.320 --> 0:50:54.920 Yeah, because with Richard Perry that second album, Priority, we 0:50:55.120 --> 0:50:59.480 had such successful the first album and then Priority we 0:50:59.560 --> 0:51:01.640 put that and it was like all rock and roll, 0:51:01.760 --> 0:51:06.480 it's so good. I love it, and they wouldn't play 0:51:06.560 --> 0:51:07.319 it the radio. 0:51:07.400 --> 0:51:09.239 Said, they refused to play it because there's no such 0:51:09.320 --> 0:51:11.280 thing as black rock and rollus. 0:51:11.800 --> 0:51:13.840 Can you imagine that a rock and heart? What do 0:51:13.960 --> 0:51:14.880 they think started it? 0:51:15.160 --> 0:51:15.840 Really? Where did? 0:51:18.719 --> 0:51:22.000 The ones who copied it from the black radio couldn't 0:51:22.000 --> 0:51:22.600 play it either. 0:51:26.640 --> 0:51:29.840 They just weren't allowed to play it because you know, 0:51:29.920 --> 0:51:31.280 they owned by the white folks. 0:51:32.840 --> 0:51:37.959 It's to go to the bathroom. 0:51:42.320 --> 0:51:51.640 Fan, Okay, I love it, well, I love I love 0:51:51.719 --> 0:51:54.200 the fact that your label wasn't discouraged or. 0:51:55.840 --> 0:51:57.440 Yeah, I got another chance because. 0:51:57.239 --> 0:51:59.800 Because our producer loved rock and roll. I mean he, 0:52:00.200 --> 0:52:02.520 I mean he was friends with Tina Turner and you know, 0:52:03.000 --> 0:52:05.000 Rod Stewart and all of them would always be at 0:52:05.040 --> 0:52:07.040 his house and stuff, and he loved it. And he 0:52:07.520 --> 0:52:11.520 felt that from getting that first album through with all 0:52:11.600 --> 0:52:13.400 the you know, the things that were on there, and 0:52:14.760 --> 0:52:17.320 he figured, well they and if plus he was producer 0:52:17.400 --> 0:52:20.960 of the year okay, he was that olser of the year. 0:52:21.160 --> 0:52:24.759 He got awards, accolades all and so he figured, I 0:52:24.800 --> 0:52:27.400 can do this, you know, and Noll accept it from me, 0:52:28.000 --> 0:52:29.239 and they did. He said, no, I'm a rock and 0:52:29.360 --> 0:52:32.080 roll guy too, and you know, and they did. They 0:52:32.120 --> 0:52:33.239 didn't they wouldn't accept it. 0:52:33.400 --> 0:52:37.160 Dang, it's still hard for him too. So yeah, yeah, 0:52:37.400 --> 0:52:39.719 progress been slow for. 0:52:39.840 --> 0:52:45.040 The Special Things album. I know that the burying Cynthia, right, 0:52:45.239 --> 0:52:49.880 he's so shy. I know Cynthia. Well yeah, okay, I 0:52:49.920 --> 0:52:50.399 gotta look. 0:52:50.760 --> 0:52:55.280 He's so shy. Was Tom Tom and Cynthia. 0:52:56.480 --> 0:53:02.600 Yeah, Barry became a songwriting partner. Tell you guys, how 0:53:02.719 --> 0:53:03.160 was that song? 0:53:03.719 --> 0:53:03.839 Oh? 0:53:03.960 --> 0:53:06.239 It was so much fun to was he We worked 0:53:06.280 --> 0:53:09.000 with him before on something else. I can't remember what song, 0:53:09.080 --> 0:53:13.080 but when he brought us, he's so shy, and we 0:53:13.280 --> 0:53:15.439 just loved the song and it was easy to sing, 0:53:15.680 --> 0:53:19.680 and people loved it and and I think guys loved 0:53:19.719 --> 0:53:23.920 it because we could sing to them, you know, and 0:53:24.120 --> 0:53:25.600 most guys are shy. 0:53:30.440 --> 0:53:30.640 To me. 0:53:43.920 --> 0:53:46.480 Happened on the Love Book with Isaac. 0:53:47.280 --> 0:53:49.319 And you went to school with him. 0:53:49.800 --> 0:53:52.440 I went to high school with Ted. We were we 0:53:52.520 --> 0:53:56.480 were in plays all the time. His mother had a 0:53:56.600 --> 0:53:57.440 radio show there. 0:54:02.120 --> 0:54:06.520 Yeah, was militant. 0:54:07.120 --> 0:54:10.000 We had a great drama teacher, mister Wayne. And we 0:54:10.120 --> 0:54:12.080 still keep in touch with him and Ted are still 0:54:12.160 --> 0:54:14.799 writing things, and I get in touch with them every 0:54:14.880 --> 0:54:16.640 now and then. We're not in touch like we should be. 0:54:17.360 --> 0:54:19.479 But I loved Ted and we went to high school together, 0:54:19.520 --> 0:54:22.640 and we were in all the plays together in high school. 0:54:22.680 --> 0:54:24.920 I really thought I would get into acting more than singing, 0:54:25.000 --> 0:54:28.560 because I really liked it. But once I started auditioning, 0:54:30.880 --> 0:54:31.400 I said. 0:54:31.280 --> 0:54:32.560 Oh no, this is not for me. 0:54:34.880 --> 0:54:35.879 I forgot car washing. 0:54:37.120 --> 0:54:39.760 Oh yeah, that's true. Car Wash was so much fun. 0:54:40.040 --> 0:54:43.400 Oh god, that was so much fun working with Richard Pryor. 0:54:43.560 --> 0:54:46.239 I'm a kidney. He had us laughing all the time. 0:54:47.320 --> 0:54:48.319 It was hilarious. 0:54:48.640 --> 0:54:50.480 We went to his house and hung out with him 0:54:50.520 --> 0:54:53.040 there after, you know, the show shooting and stuff, and. 0:54:55.239 --> 0:54:56.600 Was on the road with him at that place and 0:54:57.560 --> 0:54:58.279 was that in New Jersey? 0:54:59.680 --> 0:55:00.759 Were we're open for him? 0:55:01.200 --> 0:55:01.319 At? 0:55:01.520 --> 0:55:01.640 Uh? 0:55:02.360 --> 0:55:06.360 That place in back East and I can't remember. And 0:55:06.400 --> 0:55:07.440 he would get out on See. 0:55:08.120 --> 0:55:09.920 The US won't get me. Know. 0:55:10.320 --> 0:55:17.640 I love the I love them, but they won't give me. 0:55:22.719 --> 0:55:25.680 What was it like working with Norman Whitfield? You gotta 0:55:25.719 --> 0:55:28.040 believe what was he like in the studio. 0:55:28.200 --> 0:55:30.720 He was wonderful, He loved us. He know we should 0:55:30.760 --> 0:55:35.759 have had the hit song the war songs that he 0:55:35.920 --> 0:55:38.200 was his group Rose roy So and they did a 0:55:38.280 --> 0:55:41.320 fabulous job and they were wonderful, but he know that 0:55:41.320 --> 0:55:42.040 should have been our song. 0:55:42.360 --> 0:55:44.360 He wanted us to sound like the Female Temptations. 0:55:45.200 --> 0:55:49.400 We were I was up at Ruthie's apartment. Gary Stromberg, 0:55:49.480 --> 0:55:51.840 I think it was, who was one of the producers, 0:55:52.560 --> 0:55:57.960 was AT's house, remember AIDA's house, And we went down 0:55:58.040 --> 0:56:00.920 there and Gary Stromberg was there and he said he's 0:56:00.920 --> 0:56:03.840 doing a movie. And we said, well, put us in 0:56:03.920 --> 0:56:06.239 the movie. You know, if you're doing a movie. We 0:56:06.280 --> 0:56:07.960 were hot at the time. We had hit songs and 0:56:08.040 --> 0:56:10.800 on TV and all that stuff. So he did. He 0:56:10.880 --> 0:56:12.400 called us the next day and say we got We 0:56:12.480 --> 0:56:15.239 wrote you in And it wasn't a big part, but 0:56:15.320 --> 0:56:18.560 it was a fabulous time. It was yeah. 0:56:21.600 --> 0:56:22.719 With Bill Rich. 0:56:25.840 --> 0:56:27.640 Yeah you got to believe in something. 0:56:27.840 --> 0:56:33.560 Yeah, wellhy not believe in me? Yeah that was too much. 0:56:33.680 --> 0:56:37.120 But how many days did it take the shoot? Was 0:56:37.160 --> 0:56:38.920 it just like a one day shoot or no? 0:56:39.040 --> 0:56:41.239 It was like a week? 0:56:41.880 --> 0:56:42.080 Yeah? 0:56:42.280 --> 0:56:46.960 Yeah, a week because yeah, it was fun. And the 0:56:47.080 --> 0:56:52.760 last day of shooting we had our own little rat party. 0:56:53.760 --> 0:56:57.960 We were all so happy that it was over. Oh 0:56:58.080 --> 0:56:59.640 my god. And then we got to call the next 0:56:59.680 --> 0:57:03.880 morning saying we need close ups. I thought I was 0:57:03.920 --> 0:57:09.520 going to die close up today all night. 0:57:15.960 --> 0:57:19.640 It's crazy. I ran into Rose Royce and Beijing. Wow, 0:57:19.720 --> 0:57:22.040 really she's performing over there? 0:57:22.080 --> 0:57:26.320 I wonder, Yeah, were you lecturing? 0:57:26.560 --> 0:57:28.920 No, No, my wife and I were just visiting Beijing, 0:57:29.080 --> 0:57:31.600 and of course you and of course she didn't. She 0:57:31.800 --> 0:57:34.120 wasn't very friendly. And then I found out the backstory 0:57:34.160 --> 0:57:35.919 and found out that that that they had been brought 0:57:35.960 --> 0:57:38.280 into the studio by normal I think to say, sing 0:57:38.360 --> 0:57:39.919 it like the Pointer sisters. 0:57:41.520 --> 0:57:41.600 And. 0:57:44.760 --> 0:57:46.640 That's a long time to hold I know. 0:57:47.080 --> 0:57:47.680 She said that. 0:57:47.880 --> 0:57:52.160 Yeah, No, she didn't say anything out why she was 0:57:52.240 --> 0:57:55.240 so unfriendly to us because I introduced myself. 0:57:55.320 --> 0:57:57.440 They were very rude to Rose Royce while we were 0:57:57.480 --> 0:57:58.040 in the studio. 0:57:58.120 --> 0:58:00.480 Wow, were that. 0:58:00.640 --> 0:58:02.560 Norman Whitfield was tough and he wanted to show that 0:58:02.640 --> 0:58:04.920 he was was you know, sing it again and sing 0:58:04.960 --> 0:58:06.280 it about. You can sing it better than that. 0:58:06.720 --> 0:58:08.360 Wow, pu's it up there? 0:58:08.400 --> 0:58:10.720 Come on? And it was really just hard on them. 0:58:10.760 --> 0:58:12.840 I couldn't understand because I never had a producer talk 0:58:12.880 --> 0:58:16.800 to me that way and he didn't. No, he didn't 0:58:16.800 --> 0:58:17.840 talk to us that way at all. 0:58:18.360 --> 0:58:19.480 They sing it at all. 0:58:23.600 --> 0:58:24.000 We got it. 0:58:24.440 --> 0:58:25.000 We don't want to. 0:58:28.320 --> 0:58:28.440 Us. 0:58:29.560 --> 0:58:30.240 We got it right. 0:58:31.960 --> 0:58:32.160 Yeah. 0:58:32.200 --> 0:58:34.000 It was a great honor to work with him. He's 0:58:34.040 --> 0:58:37.400 such a legend and the world another borl. 0:58:37.240 --> 0:58:40.200 Will Miss Bonnie studied under Cecil Brown, who did a 0:58:40.240 --> 0:58:44.320 biography of Richard Pryor at that kind at Merritt College 0:58:44.360 --> 0:58:47.880 in Oakland. Yes, he did a biography of Richard Cecil Brown. 0:58:47.960 --> 0:58:50.560 He wrote some wonderful books stagger lye and you talking 0:58:50.600 --> 0:58:54.560 about dancer, You mean a book a book? Yeah, yeah, 0:58:55.520 --> 0:58:56.560 but he wrote a biography. 0:58:56.800 --> 0:58:59.920 Did you study Bonnie Oakland Mills College, Miracle? 0:59:00.400 --> 0:59:01.240 What did you study there? 0:59:01.640 --> 0:59:01.800 Art? 0:59:03.080 --> 0:59:03.640 Visual art? 0:59:03.800 --> 0:59:08.040 Yes, Pa, we got to get. 0:59:09.800 --> 0:59:11.680 Got to get a new easel and I got. 0:59:18.680 --> 0:59:20.680 What was it like doing? Well, how did y'all get 0:59:20.680 --> 0:59:22.600 the call? I guess for the pinball thing? 0:59:23.480 --> 0:59:23.640 Oh? 0:59:26.640 --> 0:59:28.400 Yes, I love call this so I don't know how 0:59:28.720 --> 0:59:30.880 they they called and asked us to do it, and 0:59:31.200 --> 0:59:34.840 we went over to San Francisco and we took our kids. 0:59:35.400 --> 0:59:38.680 I had Jada was there and fun and Malik I 0:59:38.760 --> 0:59:40.920 think she gone and Nandi were there to I don't know. 0:59:41.200 --> 0:59:42.840 I think so princes kids. 0:59:42.920 --> 0:59:45.080 My kids were very cool working. 0:59:44.880 --> 0:59:48.080 In the studio with Herbie. Was he there at the time? 0:59:48.320 --> 0:59:49.360 What the pinball machine? 0:59:50.080 --> 0:59:50.480 Handcock? 0:59:50.600 --> 0:59:53.520 No, the pen Mam machine is the sesame street. 0:59:54.120 --> 0:59:57.320 Music wise, we always told that Herbie Hancock did the music. 0:59:57.240 --> 0:59:58.200 Really well, we weren't there. 0:59:58.240 --> 1:00:00.520 I don't even know we did it. We did sing 1:00:00.640 --> 1:00:03.880 one to the four, five, eleven, twelve. 1:00:08.800 --> 1:00:10.120 Always a different times. 1:00:11.520 --> 1:00:14.480 Yeah, well that's that's the and we did the ab 1:00:14.600 --> 1:00:16.600 school cool crazy swinging alphabets. 1:00:17.200 --> 1:00:20.040 Okay, Well, it's interesting to when they talk about how 1:00:20.160 --> 1:00:22.840 the technology has developed and how when they were singing 1:00:22.880 --> 1:00:25.760 earlier on they didn't have this looping protos. 1:00:26.040 --> 1:00:28.000 We were twelve times. 1:00:28.160 --> 1:00:30.320 We had the twelve hundred times we would be in 1:00:30.400 --> 1:00:31.760 the studio till our hands fell, like. 1:00:36.520 --> 1:00:39.680 One of one of our usually it's six of us 1:00:39.960 --> 1:00:44.120 and one of our members. Uh, unpaid Bill is. 1:00:44.760 --> 1:00:46.360 Unpaid Bill, that's his name. 1:00:49.920 --> 1:00:56.680 He's now the Joe Roposal of Sesame Street. 1:00:56.760 --> 1:00:59.840 He like, oh wow, beautiful. 1:01:00.120 --> 1:01:01.560 He was going through all the. 1:01:01.560 --> 1:01:03.840 Old tapes and realized that you guys had to do 1:01:04.120 --> 1:01:07.640 twelve individual versions of that song. 1:01:07.480 --> 1:01:11.800 And wow, I didn't even know that. I don't remember. 1:01:13.280 --> 1:01:19.200 Wow about eleven twelve, I get it. 1:01:20.120 --> 1:01:22.520 I'm glad it wasn't. Yeah, it could have been twenty. 1:01:24.440 --> 1:01:25.120 That's what I like it. 1:01:25.680 --> 1:01:26.240 At the studio. 1:01:27.040 --> 1:01:29.400 Yeah, what time is that we have to be there? 1:01:29.480 --> 1:01:29.560 Now? 1:01:33.200 --> 1:01:34.240 Finished? Thirteen? 1:01:37.360 --> 1:01:39.840 I have a question because I know that you always 1:01:39.880 --> 1:01:43.560 wanted to know you wrote on the Special Things album. 1:01:45.120 --> 1:01:46.000 Could I be dreaming? 1:01:46.320 --> 1:01:46.560 Yeah? 1:01:47.040 --> 1:01:49.600 Can I ask you something? How much have influenced the 1:01:49.680 --> 1:01:51.560 Jackson shake Your Boy Down to the ground half on 1:01:51.680 --> 1:01:52.000 that song? 1:01:52.240 --> 1:01:52.640 You know what? 1:01:52.960 --> 1:01:56.200 I didn't think a minute enough to ever come to you. 1:01:56.320 --> 1:01:59.720 But the thing is, the track was done by Trevor Lawrence, 1:01:59.800 --> 1:02:03.560 my friend. He brought me the track. I wrote the lyrics. 1:02:04.400 --> 1:02:07.360 I never never even entered my mind anything about Michael 1:02:07.440 --> 1:02:09.720 Jackson or the Jackson's And when a friend played it 1:02:09.760 --> 1:02:13.000 for a friend and she told me that I wanted 1:02:13.040 --> 1:02:19.800 to pop her in the what just like Jackson's what 1:02:19.880 --> 1:02:20.360 you're talking about? 1:02:20.360 --> 1:02:20.640 Witness? 1:02:23.000 --> 1:02:24.720 It was so hard. I'm like, this is one of 1:02:24.760 --> 1:02:27.880 the best songs I ever wrote. I love it. 1:02:29.520 --> 1:02:30.040 The thing was. 1:02:31.840 --> 1:02:36.040 When radio first started playing it, Jackson. 1:02:35.960 --> 1:02:39.440 And That's something A minute, Wow, that was? That was 1:02:39.600 --> 1:02:44.840 really cold, you know, because I'm sorry, thanks for bringing 1:02:44.880 --> 1:02:50.800 that up to say that, you know, And there are 1:02:50.880 --> 1:02:51.840 songs that sounded like. 1:02:51.920 --> 1:02:54.520 Out there all the time, I know, and they wouldn't 1:02:54.520 --> 1:02:55.040 play mine. 1:02:55.240 --> 1:02:55.720 Here's the thing. 1:02:55.800 --> 1:02:57.640 Here's the thing though, because you're a Nita Pointer and 1:02:57.680 --> 1:03:04.560 you're black, You're not a Jackson. 1:03:06.480 --> 1:03:09.880 We just we just had Randy Jackson on the show 1:03:10.880 --> 1:03:14.760 for him and for him, he admitted that shake your 1:03:14.800 --> 1:03:17.080 body down to the ground was basically his version of 1:03:17.160 --> 1:03:18.960 Teddy Pendergrass, Get up, get down. 1:03:21.680 --> 1:03:22.960 Believe me, you know what. 1:03:23.400 --> 1:03:26.040 We take some songs all the time, but I swear 1:03:26.120 --> 1:03:28.520 to God if when I was doing that song, I 1:03:28.600 --> 1:03:33.080 had no there was no inkling, no thought about the 1:03:33.200 --> 1:03:37.080 Jackson song at all. We've had songs that we've taken 1:03:37.120 --> 1:03:41.120 from John Lee Hooker, you know him, that we've done, 1:03:41.240 --> 1:03:42.920 and we you know, did some things from his. 1:03:43.400 --> 1:03:45.680 We did that on it was bet you got to 1:03:45.720 --> 1:03:48.120 check on the side, really. 1:03:53.120 --> 1:03:55.680 Say that. But I believe me, I'm proud to say, whoever, 1:03:56.120 --> 1:03:58.280 because that's what music is all about, going round and 1:03:58.360 --> 1:04:01.160 round and you know, coming back backing in and and 1:04:01.320 --> 1:04:05.720 so I would never not get him that. But I 1:04:05.880 --> 1:04:09.040 took the Jackson song for for Could I be dreaming? 1:04:09.040 --> 1:04:10.360 Because I never thought about the. 1:04:10.400 --> 1:04:15.640 Jackson the thing that, yeah, the music I would that narration. 1:04:15.880 --> 1:04:17.960 I wanted to be heard, and they won't even play 1:04:18.000 --> 1:04:19.280 the damn song and they think. 1:04:19.600 --> 1:04:21.840 So we're gonna flap somebody, Yes. 1:04:24.640 --> 1:04:25.280 It's released. 1:04:25.640 --> 1:04:28.040 How things like that happened? Like when I was writing 1:04:28.120 --> 1:04:30.920 the song man with the Right Rhythm. Janet came out 1:04:30.960 --> 1:04:34.320 with Rhythm Nation, and. 1:04:34.400 --> 1:04:37.560 Even when I did, uh, when I did, could I 1:04:37.640 --> 1:04:40.880 be dreaming? Jermaine or one of the brothers came out 1:04:40.880 --> 1:04:42.400 with tell Me I'm not dreaming? 1:04:43.920 --> 1:04:46.920 You know, keep your mouth. 1:04:54.040 --> 1:05:01.720 That when I was, Oh my god. John Bettison, marcou Jacko, Michael. 1:05:01.440 --> 1:05:03.360 Clark, human Nature. 1:05:03.400 --> 1:05:09.560 Yeah, that became like the women's national anthem. You know, 1:05:09.640 --> 1:05:12.760 I called it the American female anthem because it certainly 1:05:12.800 --> 1:05:18.200 speaks to today's hashtag me too, beneath the man. 1:05:19.360 --> 1:05:20.120 A company. 1:05:39.640 --> 1:05:42.200 That slower reminds me of just being a kid, and 1:05:42.280 --> 1:05:44.760 like hearing that on the radio and kind of like 1:05:44.840 --> 1:05:46.680 a kind of like a country count. 1:05:49.480 --> 1:05:50.280 I used to look like that. 1:05:50.720 --> 1:05:53.360 Nashville writers John Bettison, Michael Clark. 1:05:53.200 --> 1:05:55.640 Okay, yeah them. I just remember hearing that song and 1:05:55.720 --> 1:05:56.840 like Crystal Gale. 1:05:56.680 --> 1:05:58.680 And like all those that was. 1:06:00.200 --> 1:06:00.680 Like all the. 1:06:07.120 --> 1:06:10.000 But that's easy to for you to digest and accept 1:06:10.080 --> 1:06:13.040 other songs like the Kenny Rogers, the Dolly Partons and whatnot. 1:06:15.720 --> 1:06:17.439 I loved it. I thought it was a great song. 1:06:17.520 --> 1:06:18.720 I'm glad to sing it. 1:06:21.200 --> 1:06:24.840 You know what, not many people know that a lot 1:06:24.920 --> 1:06:31.000 of people I believe that I'm So Excited debuted on Breakout, 1:06:31.680 --> 1:06:32.440 not knowing that. 1:06:34.200 --> 1:06:35.320 Two years beforehand. 1:06:35.800 --> 1:06:39.200 It was I'm so excited, it was excited. 1:06:39.760 --> 1:06:43.840 What was what was the reasoning behind re releasing it 1:06:44.720 --> 1:06:45.600 for Breakout? 1:06:46.080 --> 1:06:49.440 I begged Richard Perry because I said, this song is 1:06:49.440 --> 1:06:53.680 a hit. It's a shame too much. Let this song 1:06:53.760 --> 1:06:56.000 go to waste, and it's a great song. And they 1:06:56.120 --> 1:06:58.640 just made me sick not listening to us, and they 1:06:58.680 --> 1:07:00.960 put it on the first album and then put out 1:07:01.040 --> 1:07:04.560 American Music as the single. You know, we're all patriotic 1:07:04.600 --> 1:07:08.680 and Hayden, yeah, I'm telling you. And then I said, David, 1:07:08.800 --> 1:07:10.760 come on, you know we rode with all our hearts 1:07:10.800 --> 1:07:13.160 and this is a great song and you can't let 1:07:13.200 --> 1:07:14.840 it go. We want this on the next album, and 1:07:14.960 --> 1:07:16.640 he did it. I didn't know. I didn't know if 1:07:16.640 --> 1:07:18.120 that had ever been done before, but I said, you 1:07:18.200 --> 1:07:20.000 got to do this. You got to save this song 1:07:20.920 --> 1:07:24.600 and get it back out there. It was on the 1:07:24.640 --> 1:07:28.040 Breakout album, it was on the So Excited album. The 1:07:28.080 --> 1:07:31.720 album was titled and it still wouldn't play it. 1:07:31.960 --> 1:07:33.200 That's ridiculous, you know. 1:07:34.360 --> 1:07:35.880 And then it put it on the next album and 1:07:35.920 --> 1:07:37.080 coming out as an instant hit. 1:07:38.080 --> 1:07:43.240 So you're telling me that because again, I mean, I 1:07:43.320 --> 1:07:46.560 was listening to black radio exclusively like when I was 1:07:46.600 --> 1:07:46.880 a kid. 1:07:47.240 --> 1:07:48.800 But it wasn't like I was taking the charts to 1:07:48.840 --> 1:07:51.680 the billboard, none of that stuff. But I heard it 1:07:51.840 --> 1:07:52.240 a lot. 1:07:52.640 --> 1:07:55.320 But you're saying that from your perspective in eighty two 1:07:55.520 --> 1:07:59.000 when it first came out on So Excited album, it 1:07:59.360 --> 1:08:03.280 wasn't a hit. It wasn't a hit hit like across 1:08:03.360 --> 1:08:06.320 the board in your eyes, or it was number is wise. 1:08:06.400 --> 1:08:09.080 It just wasn't right right, not until it got on 1:08:09.160 --> 1:08:09.960 the breakout album. 1:08:11.360 --> 1:08:14.400 So in your minds, unless it's a pop hit officially 1:08:14.640 --> 1:08:19.920 like covering all bases of the black charts and pop radio, 1:08:20.479 --> 1:08:24.599 then it's like, okay, it's satisfactory or well. 1:08:24.479 --> 1:08:27.559 When you get the numbers, the ratings from people buying 1:08:27.640 --> 1:08:31.640 the album, you know, that's the main way to judge it, 1:08:31.720 --> 1:08:35.639 I guess. And then the requests for playing your songs. 1:08:36.400 --> 1:08:38.160 I don't know. It's a whole different market now though, 1:08:38.280 --> 1:08:43.840 with Instagram and stream and music, and people don't buy it, 1:08:43.920 --> 1:08:44.600 they just stream it. 1:08:44.880 --> 1:08:45.680 And download it. 1:08:45.840 --> 1:08:48.880 That counts work they downloaded, and but they pay for. 1:08:48.920 --> 1:08:55.600 That, right, Well, that that's One of the things that 1:08:56.280 --> 1:08:59.880 David mentioned too, is that it was alternative radio that 1:09:00.479 --> 1:09:04.080 really promoted the point of Sisters early because black radio 1:09:04.240 --> 1:09:07.200 wasn't playing them, and they still have problems playing the 1:09:07.240 --> 1:09:13.280 point of Sisters for whatever. I don't know. At least they. 1:09:13.240 --> 1:09:15.080 Can't get don't hear nothing. 1:09:18.840 --> 1:09:20.920 They was definitely playing I'm So Excited on w. 1:09:21.040 --> 1:09:24.160 D S and Philly, So those two, at least I'm 1:09:24.200 --> 1:09:25.720 so excited I. 1:09:25.720 --> 1:09:28.799 Would jump that was excited. 1:09:29.800 --> 1:09:32.840 Well, yeah, I mean Breakout was just short of thriller. 1:09:32.920 --> 1:09:36.320 They had seven singles on it. So were you shocked 1:09:36.479 --> 1:09:42.920 at the at the mass excepstance of Breakout the album 1:09:43.120 --> 1:09:44.120 and how. 1:09:44.439 --> 1:09:49.200 Shocked and thrilled? Happy, just elated? Yeah, it was wonderful 1:09:49.320 --> 1:09:52.879 to have an album go triple platinum. 1:09:54.320 --> 1:09:59.479 So we had Ali Willis on our show, have Anita 1:09:59.520 --> 1:09:59.880 pointer or. 1:10:13.680 --> 1:10:16.559 Okay, so we heard or. 1:10:16.600 --> 1:10:20.080 She explained to this that that song almost didn't make 1:10:21.080 --> 1:10:23.800 Beverly Hills cop Like the way that was discovered by 1:10:23.840 --> 1:10:25.719 the producers was kind of an accident. 1:10:27.280 --> 1:10:31.240 Yeah, were you guys are aware of how it was 1:10:31.280 --> 1:10:33.160 added last minute? Like by accident? 1:10:34.479 --> 1:10:36.640 Somewhat? I don't. I don't remember the whole story, but 1:10:36.680 --> 1:10:40.560 I remember there being some conflict with the lyric and 1:10:41.320 --> 1:10:45.880 thinking of neutron bombs and you know, yeah song about 1:10:45.920 --> 1:11:00.720 war and some people. I'm so happy, she said, yes, 1:11:00.800 --> 1:11:01.080 it is. 1:11:01.240 --> 1:11:03.280 I think there's some deep irony in there, though she's 1:11:03.360 --> 1:11:07.080 been very sarcastic, deeply sardonic. I mean, it's not just 1:11:07.240 --> 1:11:09.559 you know, she's she's really saying, you know, you really 1:11:09.800 --> 1:11:11.479 just put where you want the world to go? Can 1:11:11.560 --> 1:11:13.000 you can you really you know, deal with. 1:11:13.080 --> 1:11:16.320 I don't want to take it anymore exactly, I'll stay 1:11:16.360 --> 1:11:19.879 here locked behind the door, right, so it has stop. 1:11:19.720 --> 1:11:22.200 And get away where it is now, I can't separate 1:11:22.280 --> 1:11:23.679 it from a truck chase. 1:11:23.760 --> 1:11:33.040 And I also said somebody actually stole tried to steal 1:11:33.080 --> 1:11:34.000 her brand new Chevrolet. 1:11:35.160 --> 1:11:36.679 That's right, that's the lyric. 1:11:36.880 --> 1:11:41.360 Yeah, yeah, and the redom I have no. 1:11:45.479 --> 1:11:46.320 Yeah, that was good. 1:11:46.760 --> 1:11:49.479 We go back to uh, the So Excited album for 1:11:49.520 --> 1:11:49.840 a second. 1:11:50.560 --> 1:11:53.040 Huh Yeah, go ahead, You guys covered one of my 1:11:53.080 --> 1:11:55.600 favorite songs in that record, Princess, I Feel for You? 1:11:56.520 --> 1:11:57.639 Where did that I do from? 1:11:57.760 --> 1:11:57.800 You? 1:11:57.840 --> 1:11:58.040 Guys? 1:11:58.160 --> 1:12:01.120 Cover that from Richard Pry He brought it to us 1:12:01.200 --> 1:12:03.320 and we love Prince. Prince had come into the studio 1:12:03.479 --> 1:12:08.920 too to watch us record one time, and and so uh, 1:12:10.560 --> 1:12:12.680 he invited us to come to Paisley Park and do 1:12:12.800 --> 1:12:14.800 it there. And that's what we did. What we did. 1:12:15.240 --> 1:12:19.960 What was that Like he had all his his factory 1:12:20.080 --> 1:12:24.000 upstairs where they made all his clothes, close, shoes, everything 1:12:24.040 --> 1:12:27.320 to match. And and he had like a cave area 1:12:27.439 --> 1:12:33.080 where he had the purple Rain motorcycle. And it was 1:12:33.120 --> 1:12:35.559 a whole big room there with pillows on the floor. 1:12:35.800 --> 1:12:37.639 I'm just trying to envision it. I haven't been back 1:12:37.840 --> 1:12:42.680 so long. With pillows on the floor and and you know, silk. 1:12:42.400 --> 1:12:45.360 On the walls, and and the eyes watching you. 1:12:45.479 --> 1:12:50.559 From the painting, there's too many murals of his face 1:12:50.640 --> 1:12:52.720 with the eyes watching that. 1:12:52.960 --> 1:12:55.479 It was like the Three Stooges, like like you walk 1:12:55.520 --> 1:13:01.800 one way. And after they did the big remodel for 1:13:01.920 --> 1:13:05.639 the for the kids, Well, no, I went before and after. 1:13:05.840 --> 1:13:06.479 Oh, but I thought the. 1:13:06.479 --> 1:13:08.679 Eyes went up there until after they after they remodeled, 1:13:08.720 --> 1:13:10.120 Well in two thousand was that? 1:13:10.479 --> 1:13:12.240 That was after ninety six is when they remodeled. 1:13:12.479 --> 1:13:14.960 Oh, yeah, we were there before that. 1:13:16.080 --> 1:13:20.759 Eyes were watching, watching, eyes were definitely watching. 1:13:21.720 --> 1:13:22.400 Yeah. 1:13:26.960 --> 1:13:32.360 With breakout, Uh, you know, it's it's just unprecedented that 1:13:32.640 --> 1:13:35.040 six album, six singles from one album. 1:13:35.680 --> 1:13:41.800 Oh yeah, I'm short of thriller. That's this is unprecedented. Then, 1:13:41.960 --> 1:13:45.080 Like what was it? What was the label's reaction to 1:13:45.120 --> 1:13:50.240 you guys as far as like were you there? Priority? 1:13:50.360 --> 1:13:51.000 Were you there? 1:13:56.400 --> 1:13:57.000 They were happy? 1:13:59.200 --> 1:14:00.200 That sounds happy. 1:14:05.200 --> 1:14:07.479 We got by that time, I mean, having such a 1:14:07.560 --> 1:14:11.000 huge record, where was the biggest source of income coming from. 1:14:13.720 --> 1:14:16.439 Records? And did the tour money go up? 1:14:16.640 --> 1:14:19.960 Like you got to hit that help the tour money up? 1:14:20.760 --> 1:14:25.960 Yeah, we got good tourings and and as the years 1:14:26.040 --> 1:14:28.720 go up, the publishing gets better. 1:14:30.800 --> 1:14:31.000 Yeah. 1:14:31.080 --> 1:14:33.120 I've seen you guys twice doing that period. That was 1:14:33.200 --> 1:14:37.160 like the only non Jackson's Prince show that I've ever seen. 1:14:38.560 --> 1:14:42.440 So you guys once at a Universal Amphitheater. 1:14:43.080 --> 1:14:45.760 Yeah was that line over? 1:14:46.960 --> 1:14:49.719 Uh no, the year after you guys were at Universal 1:14:49.760 --> 1:14:50.960 Amphitheater by yourself. 1:14:54.360 --> 1:14:55.559 All I remember is, uh. 1:14:57.840 --> 1:15:00.080 Was June came out in a crazy outfit to do 1:15:00.160 --> 1:15:01.960 our solo song about the piano or something. 1:15:02.120 --> 1:15:05.240 Oh yeah, like give me a fucking break, guys, Like 1:15:05.320 --> 1:15:09.799 it was. She had great common time. 1:15:12.880 --> 1:15:15.280 As he did that doctor doctor bit on stage. I 1:15:15.280 --> 1:15:17.320 don't know if that was the one dressed like a 1:15:17.400 --> 1:15:19.880 nurse and piano and. 1:15:22.240 --> 1:15:28.360 Hey, are you guys aware of Jeremy's second life in 1:15:28.520 --> 1:15:30.599 the sort of the euro d M world. 1:15:31.479 --> 1:15:33.519 No tell me about the baby making. 1:15:35.640 --> 1:15:41.680 Yeah, like it's yeah, it's it's sort of uh, how 1:15:41.720 --> 1:15:45.040 can I describe it? Like, uh, I forget, I don't 1:15:45.040 --> 1:15:48.600 know if it's skrillics or like someone that's big in 1:15:48.640 --> 1:15:52.320 the dum world, the electric electric dance, music dance and 1:15:52.439 --> 1:15:56.519 music world sort of like kind of took there me 1:15:56.640 --> 1:16:00.000 and sort of remade it. And it's it's weird because 1:16:00.040 --> 1:16:03.040 when I spend the original in clubs now, like the 1:16:03.160 --> 1:16:05.679 audience store, like, and then when I get to the hooks, 1:16:05.680 --> 1:16:08.920 they're like, oh shit, you know, like they get where 1:16:08.920 --> 1:16:10.439 it comes from. Like it's a it's a it's a 1:16:10.479 --> 1:16:12.200 big sample in the medium world. 1:16:13.040 --> 1:16:16.080 I didn't know that. So or is it? 1:16:16.600 --> 1:16:16.800 Oh? 1:16:17.120 --> 1:16:17.320 Good? 1:16:17.439 --> 1:16:21.559 So? Is that? Is that still in the current lineup? 1:16:21.560 --> 1:16:23.320 As far as your songs? Like that you do now? 1:16:23.439 --> 1:16:25.200 Or is it? Do you do? Dear me? 1:16:25.439 --> 1:16:26.000 Well, I don't. 1:16:26.520 --> 1:16:27.679 I'm not on the road anymore. 1:16:28.120 --> 1:16:31.200 Oh, I didn't know it not till this morning. 1:16:34.360 --> 1:16:38.040 Ruth, my sister, Ruth and her daughter and her granddaughter 1:16:38.160 --> 1:16:44.360 Sedaco are traveling as the new the new point. Okay, 1:16:45.080 --> 1:16:47.120 and I retired in twenty fifteen. 1:16:47.960 --> 1:16:50.760 I'm enjoying it and start working on this book. 1:16:50.880 --> 1:16:54.960 Start working on the book, and your exhibition another working 1:16:55.720 --> 1:16:56.360 Champagne King and. 1:16:56.360 --> 1:16:59.439 People like, oh man, how was she doing? How was 1:16:59.479 --> 1:16:59.960 Evelyn doing? 1:17:00.240 --> 1:17:00.479 Great? 1:17:00.680 --> 1:17:00.880 Good? 1:17:01.040 --> 1:17:05.880 Yeah, I deal with you know, Fandelais and a lot 1:17:05.960 --> 1:17:10.200 of the old rock and rosters and disco shall I 1:17:10.280 --> 1:17:12.720 say disco stars mm hmm yeah. 1:17:14.040 --> 1:17:17.640 I also I'll say that I also believe that. 1:17:19.800 --> 1:17:21.800 You guys deserve to be in the Rock and Roll 1:17:21.840 --> 1:17:22.280 Hall of Fame. 1:17:22.960 --> 1:17:29.840 I do, and they would, you know, from my mouth 1:17:29.960 --> 1:17:34.760 to their ears, right right right, that should happen. So 1:17:34.880 --> 1:17:36.560 the book comes out in February. 1:17:36.240 --> 1:17:39.400 Comes out in February. Yeah, we're just so excited about that. 1:17:39.560 --> 1:17:42.400 We're going to have books signing up in Oakland. And 1:17:42.479 --> 1:17:45.160 Anita's working on another book of exhibitions. She's been saving 1:17:45.240 --> 1:17:49.280 their costumes for the last what thirty years, and she's 1:17:49.360 --> 1:17:52.360 got all of them. She has all of them, and 1:17:52.479 --> 1:17:54.600 she's now created a book because she's sorry. Up to 1:17:54.680 --> 1:17:57.800 ninety person told me over one hundred pages now of 1:17:57.920 --> 1:17:59.120 costumes that they want to do. 1:17:59.280 --> 1:18:01.760 This is a many we have a big book. That's 1:18:01.960 --> 1:18:03.760 that just gives you a few of the things that 1:18:03.920 --> 1:18:04.160 we have. 1:18:05.400 --> 1:18:08.479 But how are you whoa you do? 1:18:09.200 --> 1:18:14.040 Okay, this is official how to our listeners out there. 1:18:14.080 --> 1:18:16.880 I'm looking at uh a miniature book the size of 1:18:16.880 --> 1:18:21.599 a CD booklet of all their how were you able 1:18:21.640 --> 1:18:22.120 to preserve? 1:18:22.400 --> 1:18:25.719 And in her garage? 1:18:29.920 --> 1:18:30.120 Those? 1:18:31.320 --> 1:18:33.160 But there there were for. 1:18:35.479 --> 1:18:40.280 They're in their Bob Mackie the first designer, and then 1:18:40.439 --> 1:18:46.439 Bob Long from Australia. 1:18:46.520 --> 1:18:48.840 Like with your designer seeking you guys out will you might. 1:18:48.760 --> 1:18:51.760 Be Long designed for all the New York plays and 1:18:51.920 --> 1:18:55.840 things and he's really great and we are gonna it's 1:18:55.840 --> 1:18:59.639 going to be digital, so you can go on, we'll 1:18:59.680 --> 1:19:02.440 go the music, will send it out to the museums 1:19:03.720 --> 1:19:06.320 we went and looked at today. Can get the password 1:19:06.439 --> 1:19:10.640 to enter the book online so we can let them 1:19:10.680 --> 1:19:16.240 see what we have clothes in the museum and you know, yes. 1:19:18.600 --> 1:19:22.040 Actually yeah, we have a Are you guys aware of 1:19:22.120 --> 1:19:24.880 the well I keep called the Black Son That's what 1:19:25.040 --> 1:19:25.400 I call it. 1:19:25.920 --> 1:19:28.760 It is the Black in d C. 1:19:29.560 --> 1:19:33.599 Yes, you went there, We're in there and there there Okay, 1:19:33.920 --> 1:19:35.160 we want. 1:19:35.520 --> 1:19:37.200 More in there? Do you want someone there that we 1:19:37.240 --> 1:19:38.120 can get us some stuff. 1:19:39.120 --> 1:19:40.080 We have a hook up for you. 1:19:45.800 --> 1:19:46.479 VM you hear it. 1:19:50.800 --> 1:19:53.680 I know blank in there, I know the banks. 1:19:55.880 --> 1:19:59.400 How many children is it? Did you guys have like 1:19:59.680 --> 1:20:01.400 the for the next generation. 1:20:01.240 --> 1:20:05.280 The next Uh? Well, Fritz has four. 1:20:05.560 --> 1:20:06.200 I'm barren. 1:20:09.320 --> 1:20:13.679 I have one my daughters. Sorry to say, my daughter 1:20:13.800 --> 1:20:18.040 died in two thousand and three and that kind of 1:20:18.160 --> 1:20:21.000 killed me. That's why I slowly just had to stop. 1:20:21.720 --> 1:20:23.799 You had to stop going on the road and singing. 1:20:23.960 --> 1:20:26.439 And her only child child. 1:20:26.960 --> 1:20:28.760 So it's not getting. 1:20:31.320 --> 1:20:35.080 It's very hard. I don't on anyone. It's the worst 1:20:35.120 --> 1:20:39.839 thing ever. I'll never get over it. It's just terrible. 1:20:40.320 --> 1:20:41.719 Now, let's go and move on to happier. 1:20:42.080 --> 1:20:49.680 Yeahs. And our older brother Aaron. 1:20:49.479 --> 1:20:54.200 Has four three four four three or four four. 1:20:54.120 --> 1:20:58.960 Barbarice and you have Barb I have four and two sons. Yeah, 1:20:59.000 --> 1:20:59.400 here's four. 1:20:59.520 --> 1:21:01.160 You have off. 1:21:02.240 --> 1:21:03.880 You know, we've never had a family reunion. 1:21:04.200 --> 1:21:06.280 What never? 1:21:06.960 --> 1:21:09.679 We have enough we have we're going to change. 1:21:09.720 --> 1:21:12.519 When we were kids in Oakland and our im we're 1:21:12.560 --> 1:21:15.200 coming over and barbecue and all the family would be there. 1:21:15.240 --> 1:21:18.479 That'd be like our family reunion. And that was all 1:21:18.600 --> 1:21:21.080 the time we lived together. The green T shirts, the 1:21:21.280 --> 1:21:25.360 lives we lived up there exactly. 1:21:25.920 --> 1:21:28.080 Y'all know that family has expanded and folks don't know 1:21:28.240 --> 1:21:30.240 each other. We are at that point in our family 1:21:30.320 --> 1:21:32.320 now where it's like, okay, let's travel to see family. 1:21:32.600 --> 1:21:34.320 Make up the West. 1:21:34.160 --> 1:21:37.360 Coast half of the people and there are. 1:21:39.920 --> 1:21:42.760 People want people related. 1:21:45.320 --> 1:21:47.639 And they go something pointer, and I go, what that's 1:21:47.720 --> 1:21:49.680 your family? Who are they right? 1:21:50.560 --> 1:21:54.000 The majority of the majority of the family in Oakland 1:21:54.080 --> 1:21:55.479 still or are you guys. 1:21:55.240 --> 1:21:56.920 Spread Oh, we're spread out now. 1:21:59.400 --> 1:21:59.879 To Oakland. 1:22:00.520 --> 1:22:03.920 My brother's Tacoma. My brother is, he's been there for 1:22:04.120 --> 1:22:05.280 twenty five thirty years. 1:22:06.760 --> 1:22:09.439 Kids they want to do music as well? Or are 1:22:09.479 --> 1:22:10.240 they working on music? 1:22:10.960 --> 1:22:14.519 I have a son who studying building a studio into music. 1:22:14.720 --> 1:22:17.240 My son is yeah, but that's the only one that 1:22:17.479 --> 1:22:18.320 we know of right now. 1:22:18.680 --> 1:22:20.919 There are different aspects of My granddaughter. 1:22:21.080 --> 1:22:25.800 Roxy does music. Yes, that's my granddaughter, and she does music. 1:22:28.000 --> 1:22:31.400 He's got hundreds of incredible tracks. And I'm telling her, 1:22:32.439 --> 1:22:39.880 my chop liver, can I sing yourself? She says, she's 1:22:39.960 --> 1:22:42.080 working on this, the right thing she wants me to do. 1:22:43.240 --> 1:22:44.360 It's a gam for your grandma. 1:22:50.400 --> 1:22:52.439 I will go bust the room and join them all 1:22:52.479 --> 1:22:54.280 over they've been working on some great stuff. 1:22:54.479 --> 1:22:58.040 Alan Alvin is a rapper and he is I love 1:22:58.120 --> 1:22:59.160 his rapping, don't you love it? 1:22:59.200 --> 1:22:59.479 I love it? 1:22:59.600 --> 1:23:03.479 And something doing some great stuff. I'm proud of this. 1:23:03.760 --> 1:23:10.479 There's one proud of there's one I forgot. What was 1:23:10.520 --> 1:23:12.639 it like being a part of USA for Africa? 1:23:13.880 --> 1:23:14.680 We are the world? Night? 1:23:14.840 --> 1:23:18.720 Oh god, what tonight. We had just come from the 1:23:18.960 --> 1:23:21.080 I think the am A Awards and went to the 1:23:21.160 --> 1:23:26.040 studio and I was in awe. Everybody top secret like 1:23:26.880 --> 1:23:28.400 the famous people. 1:23:31.600 --> 1:23:33.640 Found out about it, and was the top secret like 1:23:33.760 --> 1:23:34.559 we found out like. 1:23:34.640 --> 1:23:37.560 The day before because they sent us sheet music and 1:23:37.680 --> 1:23:40.880 a cassette and having the frame. 1:23:43.960 --> 1:23:46.400 Princey's house and he has the lead sheet framed on it. 1:23:47.880 --> 1:23:50.720 I got a lead with everybody. I went around that 1:23:50.920 --> 1:23:55.120 night and made everybody designed my music and I got 1:23:55.720 --> 1:23:56.080 my frame. 1:23:57.479 --> 1:23:58.920 D of intimidated by anybody that was. 1:23:58.920 --> 1:24:02.560 In the room or you guys, like everybody everybody was 1:24:02.640 --> 1:24:05.559 like you, oh my god, Oh my god. 1:24:11.360 --> 1:24:20.719 Michael Jackson, you want to Linel Richie, Yes, wonderful, Yeah, 1:24:21.200 --> 1:24:21.839 bet Middler. 1:24:22.479 --> 1:24:29.840 Else was there? Uh no, well, chi LEI was there. 1:24:29.920 --> 1:24:33.760 I think that's Oakland too, r that's Oakland. 1:24:33.840 --> 1:24:39.400 And LaToya Jackson was like, right beside me, Turner, Turner, 1:24:42.880 --> 1:24:46.439 that was a wonderful, wonderful night. I mean we got 1:24:46.479 --> 1:24:50.599 out of there. The sun was coming up there all night. 1:24:50.960 --> 1:24:54.320 Did you have any experiences with Aretha while she was alive? 1:24:55.240 --> 1:24:59.200 No, Well, Ruth, Ruth had some competition with area Dennis Edwards. 1:25:09.240 --> 1:25:11.240 In fact, in fact, her daughter. 1:25:12.640 --> 1:25:12.960 Edwards. 1:25:13.040 --> 1:25:16.640 Wow, there singing with her. Her daughter who singing with 1:25:16.760 --> 1:25:19.080 her is product of Ruth and Dennis. 1:25:18.920 --> 1:25:22.240 Edwards, and she and Maria were dating. Dennis like, oh 1:25:22.360 --> 1:25:23.720 yeah the same time. 1:25:26.760 --> 1:25:27.040 Wow. 1:25:29.040 --> 1:25:33.679 Wow, I'm so frozen. I don't even do myself. I'm 1:25:33.720 --> 1:25:34.760 doing my sound right now. 1:25:37.880 --> 1:25:39.600 Too much information, baby. 1:25:43.720 --> 1:25:47.640 Well you know I have to say that enough, can I? 1:25:47.800 --> 1:25:52.320 This is a pleasant, pleasant surprise. Again, Bonnie is such 1:25:52.360 --> 1:25:56.160 a fan in the my viewers for the longest. So 1:25:56.240 --> 1:25:58.920 I'm glad to finally met you. I never thought I 1:25:58.960 --> 1:26:03.720 wouldn't you ever. Thank you the same for you your 1:26:03.760 --> 1:26:07.519 whole family. And again, yes, rock and roll Hall of Fame, I. 1:26:09.240 --> 1:26:09.560 Gotta be. 1:26:12.479 --> 1:26:21.240 We've got a star on the Hollywood and welcome fan Arkansas, 1:26:21.520 --> 1:26:22.559 Black Hall of Fame. 1:26:29.280 --> 1:26:34.720 Everything, it don't matter, yes, it doesn't matter. 1:26:37.479 --> 1:26:39.840 I just want to say that something I said earlier today. 1:26:40.120 --> 1:26:42.160 You guys were in my childhood. 1:26:41.800 --> 1:26:43.640 And every time I listen to your music, I'm just 1:26:43.680 --> 1:26:45.720 taking back to such a wonderful place and time in 1:26:45.760 --> 1:26:48.519 my life. Wonder just to be sitting across from you 1:26:48.560 --> 1:26:50.120 guys like beside my. 1:26:52.680 --> 1:26:53.280 Kicking out here. 1:26:56.479 --> 1:27:00.640 We see we talked you well. I see that T 1:27:00.800 --> 1:27:05.479 shirt you have on. You got a lot of good 1:27:05.520 --> 1:27:06.639 information from the morning. 1:27:07.320 --> 1:27:11.160 One question before before we break Mays was she an 1:27:11.200 --> 1:27:13.160 influence lord? 1:27:13.280 --> 1:27:14.840 Yeah, we were listening to a song we were doing 1:27:14.920 --> 1:27:18.880 We did Respect Yourself, Yes, in Vegas, and Fritz brought 1:27:18.960 --> 1:27:21.080 up a CD and played it. We played it last 1:27:21.160 --> 1:27:26.679 night with us singing in Vegas at Caesar's Palace singing 1:27:26.960 --> 1:27:37.240 Respect Yourself. Maybe we were on the road, but yeah. 1:27:37.240 --> 1:27:39.840 And Prince was very good friends with May Staples and 1:27:40.120 --> 1:27:42.120 we had some fun fun times together. 1:27:43.520 --> 1:27:43.720 Yeah. 1:27:45.680 --> 1:27:47.719 And I was also the friends with with Purpose. 1:27:48.080 --> 1:27:53.080 He was a differend of mine. He would go to 1:27:53.160 --> 1:27:53.599 those night. 1:27:53.520 --> 1:27:55.680 Clubs and you go in there. Oh my god, this 1:27:55.840 --> 1:27:58.360 is a gun sitting right there on the desk. 1:28:00.840 --> 1:28:02.200 Where we have sound check. 1:28:03.640 --> 1:28:09.479 Wow, okay, I just got one of the silhouettes from that. 1:28:10.000 --> 1:28:13.320 You know that is that's a tattoo. I look on 1:28:13.400 --> 1:28:14.439 the back and the tattoos. 1:28:16.560 --> 1:28:18.400 You gotta be like a SoundCloud rapper. Put it on 1:28:18.479 --> 1:28:29.120 your face. Yes, thank you so much. I appreciate it. 1:28:29.200 --> 1:28:31.040 Thank you for coming on the show today. 1:28:32.640 --> 1:28:32.800 Much. 1:28:35.040 --> 1:28:35.560 I love it. 1:28:38.320 --> 1:28:43.519 Team Supreme and the Porn Sisters and brother Fritz. Like 1:28:43.640 --> 1:28:45.200 every English professor, I had. 1:28:47.360 --> 1:28:48.960 What you said? What was what you said? It was? 1:28:49.200 --> 1:28:50.960 It was? What was the words you used? 1:28:51.360 --> 1:28:53.000 She had got some words. 1:29:00.080 --> 1:29:03.040 You can't English as well as African American studies. 1:29:05.040 --> 1:29:06.960 You know you gotta peop. He got the sky and 1:29:07.040 --> 1:29:08.880 he got on the grip. He got on the grill 1:29:08.920 --> 1:29:15.920 and sandals, yes like you cancuse you on the grill? 1:29:23.600 --> 1:29:24.519 What frist was about? 1:29:34.240 --> 1:29:40.559 Show me a little necklace, some tattoo. Tattoo point Nicholas, get. 1:29:40.760 --> 1:29:41.320 You got one. 1:29:45.400 --> 1:29:46.000 On the free. 1:29:47.560 --> 1:29:49.400 Had you got to get a hat sometimes. 1:29:51.760 --> 1:29:53.720 Like your brass bangle toih. 1:29:55.040 --> 1:29:56.800 That's from the towering people in West. 1:30:01.280 --> 1:30:03.599 How do you like my bangle? What does it say? 1:30:03.800 --> 1:30:04.920 I could just see them glasses. 1:30:05.680 --> 1:30:13.719 It says fall risk a risk. 1:30:16.600 --> 1:30:19.760 This is What's Love Supreme only on Pandora. 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