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Speaker 1: Quest Love Supreme is a production of iHeartRadio. This classic

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Speaker 1: episode was produced by the team at Pandora.

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Speaker 2: What Up, y'all, it's unpaid bill for Quest Love Supreme.

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Speaker 2: As you may have seen throughout June, we are celebrating

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Speaker 2: Black Music one by releasing an episode every day, So

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Speaker 2: every day you either hear especially picked a QLs classic,

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Speaker 2: and on Wednesdays we are dropping new two part episodes

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Speaker 2: with Wayne Brady and the legendary Dance Poyser, both of

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Speaker 2: which were filmed in the studio. Black music is deeply

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Speaker 2: important to me and has been an influence throughout my

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Speaker 2: entire career. It's also something we celebrate here at QLs.

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Speaker 2: Today's episode is the Pointer Sisters from twenty nineteen. Like

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Speaker 2: several of the interviews we are revisiting this month, this

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Speaker 2: one has special significance as Anita and Bonnie Pointer have

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Speaker 2: since passed. In this interview, they were joined by brother Fritz.

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Speaker 2: It's a special.

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Speaker 3: One supremo Suprema role called Suprema suh Sun A roll

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Speaker 3: call Suprema some supremo role called Suprema something Sun Supremo roll.

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Speaker 4: Call one, two, three, four five, Yeah, I'm six seven

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Speaker 4: eight nine, Yeah.

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Speaker 5: Said eleven, Yeah, twelve roll.

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Speaker 3: Supreme, Supreme roll call, Suprema something something supreme call.

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Speaker 4: My name is Fonte. Yeah, I'm feeling free.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: You gotta believe in something. Yeah, why not believe in me?

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Speaker 7: Oh, Suprema something Suprema roll came.

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Speaker 4: Suprema suck something supreme A roll car name is Sugar. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: you can't hide your desire.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, curse my roll call.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, five.

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Speaker 3: Supremo something Suprema roll call, Suprema s Suprema roll.

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Speaker 9: Call when the sisters on here, y'all. Yeah, that's what

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Speaker 9: you need to know. Yeah, loss Bill so excited. Yeah,

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Speaker 9: like Jesse spannel.

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Speaker 3: Suprema God Supreme rolla Suprema so so supremo.

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Speaker 10: Role calls with the po ma'am Yeah, teaching me about Yeah,

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Speaker 10: slow hand.

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Speaker 3: Whoa supremo supremo role called Suprema so some Suprema role call.

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Speaker 5: His name is Fritz. Yeah, I'm glad to be here.

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Speaker 5: Yeah are you folks?

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Speaker 6: Yeah?

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Speaker 5: I love so dear.

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Speaker 8: Oh Suprema Subprema role called Suprema son, Supremo.

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Speaker 6: Role called I'm a Nita. Yeah, and I'm excited to

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Speaker 6: be here with you.

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Speaker 11: Whoa Supreme roll.

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Speaker 4: Some Supreme.

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Speaker 6: Roll call Suprema so soun Supreme.

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Speaker 11: Row your Bonnie Peep wants to be in the house.

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Speaker 8: Get route Suprema.

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Speaker 5: Supreme.

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Speaker 6: I like that.

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Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen, Welcome to another episode of Quest Love

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Speaker 1: Supreme Surprises of bound ladies and gentlemen even for us. Yes,

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Speaker 1: this is an amazing day we have Team Supreme.

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Speaker 5: Was nice anyway.

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Speaker 1: Shout out to Jesse Spiano. Yes, I thought you were

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Speaker 1: going to go the obvious route to say it. I'm

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Speaker 1: so scared.

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Speaker 9: I was going to, but that was too obvious.

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Speaker 4: I see no, no good good, good work there. Thank you.

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Speaker 1: What can I say, ladies and gentlemen, we have what

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Speaker 1: I consider a dynasty, an absolute dynasty. Uh, in my opinion,

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Speaker 1: one of the probably the what what I would call

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Speaker 1: the the the ultimate metamorphosis in black music covering jazz, country, pop, rock, soul,

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Speaker 1: R and B.

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Speaker 5: You name it.

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Speaker 1: Uh, this entire family and to have FONDI here is that?

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Speaker 1: Wait even before we start, are you still good your

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Speaker 1: esther Phillips imitation?

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Speaker 11: Oh for sure, I surround my ho.

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Speaker 5: I want to, I want to.

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Speaker 1: We want to welcome Bonnie, Anita and Fritz one of

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Speaker 1: the porters and brother, Thank you, thank you, thank you

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Speaker 1: for giving us the honor of celebrating uh, your book

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Speaker 1: which is entitled fairy Tale a Pointered.

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Speaker 4: Sister or a Pointer Family. What's the complete title?

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Speaker 5: Fairy Tale the Pointer Sister's Family story, Okay?

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Speaker 4: And fairy Tale course named after your historic our.

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Speaker 11: Lives our first.

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Speaker 6: Country country, best country vocal by dual or group. Bye

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Speaker 6: we were.

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Speaker 12: It was written by me and Bonnie and we went

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Speaker 12: over the oak Ridge Boys and the Statler Brothers Great Country.

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Speaker 6: To Nashville, Tennessee. David Rubinson was our producer and he

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Speaker 6: he took us there to record it in Nashville with

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Speaker 6: the Opry musician, all operate musicians.

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Speaker 12: All musicians, and they didn't know that we were black

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Speaker 11: And they said and we got on stage, they said, hot,

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Speaker 11: damn it. Them gals is black.

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Speaker 6: That was Opry. Yeah, the first black females to ever

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Speaker 10: It was a welcoming surprise.

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Speaker 6: They loved us. After we sang the song though a

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Speaker 6: thousand times, they had us sing it three times. Really, yeah,

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Speaker 6: kept saying silent again, girl.

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Speaker 11: It was funny. It was it was funny. I was

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Speaker 1: So this was a collaborative effort from all of you

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Speaker 1: as far as like is it an oral history book

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Speaker 6: It is a collaborative effort from all of us. My

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Speaker 6: brother Fritz is the writer, okay, and we fed him information.

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Speaker 11: He's professor Fritz.

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Speaker 6: I just retired from Contracstal Coniversity. Yeah.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I taught for thirty thirty five years.

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Speaker 5: I taught. I was in the English department, but I

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Speaker 5: taught African history and African literature, both oral and written

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Speaker 11: And we had to sit there and learn them. And

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Speaker 6: It was great because you know, growing up in Oakland,

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Speaker 6: important things that black kids should know to feel proud

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Speaker 5: Yeah. I feel like a Grillo because you know, the

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Speaker 5: Greo is someone who the grio is someone who you know,

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Speaker 5: And so I consider my sisters the heroines in this

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Speaker 1: Can I assume one of my favorite songs by you

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Speaker 1: guys when like I've been listening, like the like the

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Speaker 6: So it was really written? It was not what we experienced.

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Speaker 6: We didn't have steam heat in Oakland. There was no

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Speaker 6: stame heat in Oakland. And we were talking about the play.

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Speaker 6: Was it a pajama game?

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Speaker 11: Tell us about it.

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Speaker 12: It was a pajama game that did in high school

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Speaker 12: so then I thought it today my sisters after after

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Speaker 1: So what was uh your early childhood, uh memories like

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Speaker 4: What was the Oakland like back then.

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Speaker 6: I thought it was a great town.

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Speaker 11: I have fun a lot of.

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Speaker 6: It's different now, it's changed so much. And we lived

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Speaker 6: right across the street from Defirmary Park. That's where all

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Speaker 6: the Black Panthers would have their rallies. But even before

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Speaker 6: those times, we used to play at that park every day.

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Speaker 6: It was our babysitter school.

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Speaker 12: We went to cold School and go to Defirmary Park

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Speaker 6: Mother and guns.

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Speaker 4: There was charm school.

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Speaker 12: We went to charm school at defferm Charm School, cookie class,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, because the only time we heard about that was Motown.

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Speaker 12: We had the Walkward books on our ass and hold

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Speaker 6: Have certain clothes and gloves.

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Speaker 11: The mother made us do that.

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Speaker 6: Yeah. I think it's really good for women to have that.

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Speaker 6: And Fritz talks about that too. With the importance of

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Speaker 5: Yeah, my brother now is Commissioner of Parks and wreck

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Speaker 11: Lights and.

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Speaker 5: It was such a wonderful Oh yeah, yeah, oh yeah yeah, many.

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Speaker 10: A few pointers. I'm sorry, are there they don't know.

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Speaker 11: Whether some of you are.

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Speaker 6: Everybody?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, there are six children children.

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Speaker 4: Yes, mister Ruth.

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Speaker 12: Aaron is the professional baseball player as well.

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Speaker 6: He pad referee for many years and NFL referee for

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Speaker 11: He was he played for.

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Speaker 12: The Chicago Cubs in Houston Astros and he was retired

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Speaker 5: He's the last professional baseball player to bat four hundred.

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Speaker 5: No one has ever done that except our brother, and.

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Speaker 6: He stopped playing fifty years ago. Yeah, still record.

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Speaker 10: What an amazingly well rounded family.

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Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, yes, And we grew up in We grew

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Speaker 5: Paul Silas, and he's now he was a professional basketball

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Speaker 5: Yes, yes, we have at first, Yeah.

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Speaker 11: You know what I mean? Then me okay, well, and

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Speaker 11: then Ruth.

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Speaker 5: And then Ruth who's not here, and then Anita, then

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Speaker 5: Bonnie and then June who was not here with us. Yes,

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Speaker 5: but there we had a Oh god, we had an

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Speaker 5: exciting childhood. I mean, there were so many jobs in Oakland.

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Speaker 5: Oakland was just full of employment all everywhere, never worried about.

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Speaker 5: And then all of a sudden, it just the you know,

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Speaker 5: now it's just depleted. Was the main industry, well, I

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Speaker 5: think the main industry was steel. They had a US Steel,

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Speaker 6: Was there, was there, was there, I never worried about.

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Speaker 5: Job was not an issue when we were growing up.

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Speaker 5: You know, it just became that way, and oh god,

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Speaker 5: last twenty thirty years, it's just because it becomes they

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Speaker 5: just depleted just all the jobs left, and they put

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Speaker 6: And I remember going around the neighborhood collecting people's old

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Speaker 6: People were were your back. I was in. We they

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Speaker 11: And we left our family and and then Bonnie drove back.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, well, this wasn't the visit family down south.

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Speaker 12: And then we wanted when while we were there it

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Speaker 6: My grandma just told us don't be out after dark.

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Speaker 11: It was gravel on our side and it was paving

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Speaker 10: The white side.

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Speaker 6: Right all the roads on our side were gravel roads.

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Speaker 10: But it was probably good for you guys to see

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Speaker 6: Couldn't believe the conditions there when I went there, it

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Speaker 5: And this is in the fifties, and I think that's

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Speaker 6: I kept doing it.

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Speaker 11: That was I was how that came to me?

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Speaker 11: Yeah? Church?

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Speaker 6: And our mother was a singer. She sang at home

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Speaker 5: I think so too, because I think that's where they

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Speaker 6: Note?

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Speaker 1: Please mean to ask your sister Ruth, who's world famous

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Speaker 4: Yes, yes, when did she developed that voice? Was that always?

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Speaker 6: There was so weird? How we all just had Yeah,

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Speaker 5: Had it and she said she worked on it too,

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Speaker 5: by screaming at our basketball games.

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Speaker 6: Yes, love to get to those games.

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Speaker 5: Yes, yes, because we had an amazing sports school, our school,

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Speaker 6: Great basketball They never ever, ever ever lost a game.

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Speaker 5: Yeah. Yeah, the girls the fifteen years well actually it

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Speaker 5: the Jewel. So they called us the School of Champions

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Speaker 5: So that's how I was able to go to college

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Speaker 5: my cousin went to a university on athletic scholarships. In fact, yeah, my, my,

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Speaker 4: So was what year was the beneficially started.

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Speaker 11: I didn't know that.

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Speaker 5: That that that that honor goes to Bonnie. She's the

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Speaker 5: Ruth and Anita were working jobs. You know, Anita was

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Speaker 1: How culturally different was San Francisco to Oakland and the

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Speaker 11: It totally different.

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Speaker 1: Really, so the the whole idea of this utopian uh

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Speaker 11: I dontink I'm still dressed like that.

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Speaker 4: So that wasn't happening in Oakland at the time or

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Speaker 12: Most Black Panthers, we were part of the Black Panther

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Speaker 7: But then on the other side of Francis, it was

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Speaker 6: Yeah, it was rock and roll and so much of

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Speaker 11: To call it berserk.

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Speaker 6: And meskilline and things like that, living people living in

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Speaker 5: Oakland had a lot of political infrastructure when I returned

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Speaker 5: part of the Northern California Black Panther Party before the

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Speaker 13: Talking about because they were talking about the whole establishment

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Speaker 5: Yeah. In fact, there's a filmer in the in the

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Speaker 5: When the Black Panther part of our self defense came

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Speaker 5: said we should not call ourselves that name.

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Speaker 6: Anymore.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, So we said, okay, stole.

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Speaker 6: Our money, now you're okay, right, yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 5: Because we wanted to be aligned with Lounges County, Alabama

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Speaker 5: and the Freedom Democratic Party at Fanny lou Hamer and

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Speaker 5: so I know I needed that. We're talking about going

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Speaker 5: to uh there to be a part of that movement,

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Speaker 12: So I didn't poetry with Angela Davis. Time did back

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Speaker 12: a couple of points with Angela Davis.

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Speaker 4: Really did you?

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Speaker 6: Guys?

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Speaker 10: Did you publish him?

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Speaker 6: Are they can?

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Speaker 12: You know?

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Speaker 11: I have them in my head?

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Speaker 5: Well, Huet Newton was hitting and tired of.

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Speaker 11: Being sick and tired lost in the wilderness of white America.

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Speaker 11: Are the masses asses cool? Said the masses to the slave, no.

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Speaker 12: Problem, don't rob and still I'll be your driving will

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Speaker 12: Two Honkys gone, motherfucker, the police and Poxes the two

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Speaker 4: You were saying that Huey Newton used.

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Speaker 5: To hit in fact that, in fact that the night

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Speaker 10: Knew it was fine though.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, he was fine.

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Speaker 6: Beautiful brother had the center opened that we were having

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Speaker 11: Yeah, and he came.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, and he tried to get Bonnie to leave with him,

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Speaker 5: Yeah, we got We got a car caravan of about

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Speaker 6: Around because they had arrested him, staying he had shot

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Speaker 5: Yeah. Yeah, so we went there to just make sure

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Speaker 6: The police let us know, you better get out of here.

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Speaker 6: The game with their dogs their good.

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Speaker 7: You could hear them.

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Speaker 6: They stood in the line and everyone dispersed.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, and we ran away, ran.

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Speaker 7: Got away to live another day.

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Speaker 6: Oh that was just at a crazy.

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00:25:10,080 --> 00:25:13,399
Speaker 12: So that was one drive guy in my lifetime. We

453
00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:16,000
Speaker 12: were in a drive by and that was in Oakland. Yeah,

454
00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:17,760
Speaker 12: we were at a party in the backyard.

455
00:25:17,880 --> 00:25:20,159
Speaker 6: Marty and the guy had a fight with somebody back

456
00:25:20,240 --> 00:25:23,000
Speaker 6: there and came by shooting, and we jumped the fence

457
00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:23,240
Speaker 6: and and.

458
00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:32,840
Speaker 14: Get so far was that we got in convertible. It

459
00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:37,359
Speaker 14: was a pink, pink convertible. We're trying to dugle on.

460
00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:39,679
Speaker 11: Oh my gosh.

461
00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:43,159
Speaker 10: So then you're already ready for this book to be

462
00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:44,840
Speaker 10: the movie.

463
00:25:45,119 --> 00:25:48,800
Speaker 5: Yes we are. Yeah, it'll be out in February. It'll

464
00:25:48,800 --> 00:25:52,520
Speaker 5: be out in February. February this coming year, February Black

465
00:25:52,600 --> 00:25:53,120
Speaker 5: History Month.

466
00:25:53,600 --> 00:25:57,360
Speaker 10: Yeah, so black black, Yeah.

467
00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:01,120
Speaker 11: Get back up out a day.

468
00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:05,800
Speaker 4: Back when, back when it was Point as a pair.

469
00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:07,520
Speaker 4: You guys were signed to Atlantic.

470
00:26:08,520 --> 00:26:10,879
Speaker 12: No, we weren't signed to anyone then. No, we were

471
00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:15,000
Speaker 12: just singing all over over San Francisco and everywhere. And

472
00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:20,679
Speaker 12: in June we became when Anita joined the group. Then

473
00:26:20,760 --> 00:26:22,280
Speaker 12: we became the Pointer Sisters.

474
00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:25,439
Speaker 6: Okay, and was signed to Atlantic and signed to Atlanta.

475
00:26:25,520 --> 00:26:28,240
Speaker 6: Terry Wexler saw we were playing at the Troubadour. We

476
00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:30,720
Speaker 6: were backup singers, Me and Bonnie and June were backup

477
00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:34,480
Speaker 6: seekers for groups in San Francisco, and we were.

478
00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:36,760
Speaker 4: Saying, I don't know on my Sevester records, I've seen

479
00:26:36,800 --> 00:26:37,160
Speaker 4: your name.

480
00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:42,040
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, yeah, I have so much fun with them.

481
00:26:42,760 --> 00:26:49,840
Speaker 6: We were seeing he had the best clothes, Like I know,

482
00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:57,560
Speaker 6: you got flying chickens on stage, hoops, wo fire people

483
00:26:57,640 --> 00:27:01,600
Speaker 6: jumping through the hoops, and just people on swings. It

484
00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:04,320
Speaker 6: was just like a circus. And we had we could

485
00:27:04,359 --> 00:27:06,760
Speaker 6: have come out there and be singing our hands off

486
00:27:07,119 --> 00:27:09,440
Speaker 6: as high as we could go because his voice was

487
00:27:09,520 --> 00:27:11,520
Speaker 6: high right, and he wanted us above him.

488
00:27:12,520 --> 00:27:15,080
Speaker 11: Our veins would be popping out of our next I.

489
00:27:15,080 --> 00:27:16,919
Speaker 5: Think you said, did you did you? Did you attend

490
00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:19,960
Speaker 5: his wedding at first kind of the first game wedding

491
00:27:20,119 --> 00:27:25,399
Speaker 5: in San Francisco, Funny went to wedding?

492
00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:29,440
Speaker 6: What was that in Golden Gate Park and Park?

493
00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:31,800
Speaker 10: I'm saying, what did they What was the first dance?

494
00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:34,600
Speaker 11: I don't I don't remember. We were too high, that.

495
00:27:39,240 --> 00:27:39,879
Speaker 10: Makes sense to me.

496
00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:43,920
Speaker 11: Tell you it was six was it seventy seventy two

497
00:27:44,040 --> 00:27:47,520
Speaker 11: seventy one or something like that. Yeah, we all went

498
00:27:47,560 --> 00:27:47,720
Speaker 11: to go.

499
00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:50,440
Speaker 6: It was like seventy two seventy one. Yeah, just before

500
00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:52,960
Speaker 6: we did our finished our We were finishing our album

501
00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:53,560
Speaker 6: at the same time.

502
00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:57,280
Speaker 11: Yeah, yeah, yeah, we loved his clothes.

503
00:27:57,920 --> 00:27:59,520
Speaker 5: When when was the trip There was a trip where

504
00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:01,920
Speaker 5: they took to I think Mississippi when they told you

505
00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:05,080
Speaker 5: you couldn't sing. Uh, they had to sing you couldn't sing.

506
00:28:06,040 --> 00:28:08,159
Speaker 6: That was what when we did the thing with Elvin

507
00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:10,800
Speaker 6: at the Whiskey of Go Go with Jerry Wexler was

508
00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:13,960
Speaker 6: in the audience and he called David Rubinson and said,

509
00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:16,680
Speaker 6: I want to sign these girls. And like the next

510
00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:19,439
Speaker 6: day we were off to New Orleans and from New

511
00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:22,080
Speaker 6: Orleans to be with Wardale Kazar and from there we

512
00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:28,680
Speaker 6: went to Jackson, Mississippi. Yeah. Jerry Wexler Aretha's producer. Yeah,

513
00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:34,760
Speaker 6: and they got there, they gave us like five songs

514
00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:35,840
Speaker 6: to learn overnight.

515
00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:43,440
Speaker 1: How okay, Because of the intricacies of your presentation, First

516
00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:45,560
Speaker 1: of all, when you're the point of Sisters, did you

517
00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:46,760
Speaker 1: guys come out the gate?

518
00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:47,680
Speaker 5: In the.

519
00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:53,320
Speaker 1: Sort of filtered Andrew Sisters forties stick thing that.

520
00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:55,400
Speaker 4: Defined you guys.

521
00:28:55,600 --> 00:29:00,400
Speaker 1: For your first Blue Blue Note reclue, like was it,

522
00:29:01,800 --> 00:29:04,200
Speaker 1: did you guys come out the gate? As in, Okay,

523
00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:07,000
Speaker 1: our approach, it's going to be these forties harmonies with

524
00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:09,720
Speaker 1: the dresses and we.

525
00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:12,080
Speaker 6: Had the forties look, but we wanted to sing everything.

526
00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:15,400
Speaker 6: And on the first but the first two albums we

527
00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:17,520
Speaker 6: did stick with the jazz. We did a lot of

528
00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:18,720
Speaker 6: jazz on the first two.

529
00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:26,240
Speaker 1: Albums Cloudburst yea nine, How did you guys rehearse that?

530
00:29:26,360 --> 00:29:28,040
Speaker 4: Because that's so intricate.

531
00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:30,920
Speaker 6: Start off slow and yeah yeah, but we worked on

532
00:29:31,040 --> 00:29:34,800
Speaker 6: it for you know, weeks. We sang it slow. Everybody

533
00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:36,680
Speaker 6: get their note and you sing it slow and every

534
00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:37,440
Speaker 6: day you speed it up.

535
00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:40,120
Speaker 1: It's so hard for me to imagine that because, I mean,

536
00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:43,239
Speaker 1: now with technology, I can go on the internet look

537
00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:46,440
Speaker 1: up lyrics, you know, instantly repeat stuff.

538
00:29:46,520 --> 00:29:49,520
Speaker 4: But you know, like there's a lot of words in Cloudburst.

539
00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:52,120
Speaker 12: I know, so we got we got recognized in the

540
00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:54,920
Speaker 12: Encyclopedia Britannica for singing five hundred words a minute.

541
00:29:56,080 --> 00:29:58,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, Like, how how long did it take

542
00:29:58,160 --> 00:30:01,520
Speaker 1: you before you mastered? Mastered it perfectly?

543
00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:03,680
Speaker 11: After we fainted in the studio.

544
00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:07,800
Speaker 7: A few times a week?

545
00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:11,440
Speaker 6: Two weeks maybe, Yeah, it would take working day for hours.

546
00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:16,040
Speaker 6: We go to David's office and just had a keyboard

547
00:30:16,080 --> 00:30:17,080
Speaker 6: player that would just play it.

548
00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:20,760
Speaker 4: You can tell like that that to me, like I

549
00:30:20,840 --> 00:30:23,280
Speaker 4: feel like, whenever I want to put somebody.

550
00:30:23,080 --> 00:30:30,440
Speaker 15: Down, that was always oh no, no, no, I knew

551
00:30:30,520 --> 00:30:33,200
Speaker 15: from first you were my love because that's new great clubbers.

552
00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:34,480
Speaker 7: My heart really flew.

553
00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:43,000
Speaker 6: Class the first I Found Your Love and that's clubs.

554
00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:50,520
Speaker 5: Yeah. Well, one of the things about that is that

555
00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:53,520
Speaker 5: you know they were when they went to this southern event,

556
00:30:54,360 --> 00:30:56,520
Speaker 5: they were told that they not supposed that they wanted

557
00:30:56,520 --> 00:30:57,680
Speaker 5: to put them in a mold.

558
00:30:57,480 --> 00:31:01,720
Speaker 6: And with the yeah, and we went from Jerry Wexler's

559
00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:03,680
Speaker 6: said he wanted to sign us. They sent us down

560
00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:06,160
Speaker 6: there to Wardale because they're and we went in singing

561
00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:09,480
Speaker 6: country songs and uh, what else we have?

562
00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:10,640
Speaker 4: Jada?

563
00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:12,840
Speaker 6: Do we have Jada? Then too, and some other songs,

564
00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:16,240
Speaker 6: and they laughed in our face. They told us, you

565
00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:18,720
Speaker 6: can't sing songs like that. You guys are black girls,

566
00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:19,520
Speaker 6: and you gotta sing like.

567
00:31:19,560 --> 00:31:21,760
Speaker 11: The Jackson five. I want you to sound like the

568
00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:23,360
Speaker 11: Honeycomb and he comes in the docks.

569
00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:24,160
Speaker 6: That's what they told us.

570
00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:26,360
Speaker 12: So then they gave me like the Honeycomb, a song

571
00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:28,160
Speaker 12: called Don't try to take the Fifth on Me.

572
00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:30,920
Speaker 6: Yeah. They gave us some songs that we lord.

573
00:31:31,560 --> 00:31:33,560
Speaker 11: Yeah, yeah, we did them and they put them out.

574
00:31:33,560 --> 00:31:36,000
Speaker 6: They didn't do anything we knew. There wasn't us.

575
00:31:36,280 --> 00:31:40,480
Speaker 11: Objection, not gone well, not gone with.

576
00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:45,520
Speaker 6: Question and nature.

577
00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:46,320
Speaker 7: Okay, So.

578
00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:50,600
Speaker 1: It was very unorthodox though, because you guys were like

579
00:31:50,680 --> 00:31:54,800
Speaker 1: the first throwback group. Even though throwback wasn't a thing

580
00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:58,160
Speaker 1: back in the seventies, you know, like the whole nostalgia

581
00:31:58,200 --> 00:32:01,760
Speaker 1: culture things didn't really wasn't a thing that you guys

582
00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:03,560
Speaker 1: were even taking it before the fifties.

583
00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:06,440
Speaker 12: You were taking it to likewies and forties.

584
00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:09,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, oh yeah, How did you guys convince?

585
00:32:10,360 --> 00:32:10,479
Speaker 5: Uh?

586
00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:13,160
Speaker 1: Well, you're you're still at Atlantic with short you went

587
00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:18,040
Speaker 1: to Bob was Bob cresnew president of uh huh? What

588
00:32:18,520 --> 00:32:21,640
Speaker 1: made him see the vision of you guys and what

589
00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:22,200
Speaker 1: you could be?

590
00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:26,959
Speaker 5: I think it was David David Rubinson. David Rubinson had

591
00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:29,200
Speaker 5: a bit that thing. Yeah. Yeah, he was familiar with

592
00:32:29,320 --> 00:32:32,880
Speaker 5: the catalog of jazz and Lambert Hendrickson Ross and Disica

593
00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:36,320
Speaker 5: Lespie and Duke Ellington, and he wanted all of them.

594
00:32:36,560 --> 00:32:39,560
Speaker 5: And when yes, and when they said, you know, we

595
00:32:39,640 --> 00:32:41,959
Speaker 5: can sing anything, don't put us in a box, then

596
00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:44,360
Speaker 5: David must have heard that and said okay, and then

597
00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:48,320
Speaker 5: they able to do it. Yeah, yeah, and so what Yeah.

598
00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:54,120
Speaker 6: When we got the record back from New Orleans, that Wardale,

599
00:32:54,120 --> 00:32:58,440
Speaker 6: because there did that we recorded in Jackson, Mississippi, David

600
00:32:58,520 --> 00:33:05,480
Speaker 6: Rubinson took the record and threw it across the it was,

601
00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:11,320
Speaker 6: this is not what I wanted you to do.

602
00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:13,800
Speaker 11: This is not what I wanted for your division.

603
00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:16,040
Speaker 6: Yeah, it wasn't what we wanted to do either, because

604
00:33:16,040 --> 00:33:18,120
Speaker 6: they just you know, didn't let us do our music.

605
00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:20,280
Speaker 6: They took one country song that we took to them,

606
00:33:21,320 --> 00:33:26,680
Speaker 6: Tulsa County, Oh my god, count and they they took

607
00:33:26,760 --> 00:33:29,520
Speaker 6: that song and you wouldn't recognize it. After they finished

608
00:33:29,520 --> 00:33:31,240
Speaker 6: with it, they rearranged it into an R and B

609
00:33:31,520 --> 00:33:35,280
Speaker 6: country song, so it didn't need the sound country anymore,

610
00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:41,040
Speaker 6: saying man, you're black, you can't say no country music, right, right, And.

611
00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:43,240
Speaker 5: That reoccurred when they went to the Grand Ole Opry

612
00:33:43,320 --> 00:33:46,280
Speaker 5: and they had signs out in the front greeting them

613
00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:50,840
Speaker 5: saying keep country white, keep it keep yeah, yeah, keep

614
00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:53,800
Speaker 5: country country, country country, Yeah, in front of the Grand

615
00:33:53,840 --> 00:33:54,320
Speaker 5: Ole Opry.

616
00:33:54,360 --> 00:33:58,840
Speaker 16: That was the original makerber great again, right exactly exactly,

617
00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:02,960
Speaker 16: say yes, same thing, that's right, that's right.

618
00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:06,960
Speaker 5: Yeah. So that was quite an event. And you know,

619
00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:09,520
Speaker 5: the country western part of it, you know.

620
00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:21,040
Speaker 4: Yes we can't can, which was Alan wrote that for

621
00:34:21,080 --> 00:34:21,840
Speaker 4: you guys Allan.

622
00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:25,920
Speaker 1: Lee Dorsey did it, Yeah, he did it first. How

623
00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:28,319
Speaker 1: did you what was whose idea was it to cover

624
00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:28,680
Speaker 1: that song.

625
00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:31,359
Speaker 6: It was a pointers says. We had the record at

626
00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:34,200
Speaker 6: the Lee Dorsey album and we took it to Day

627
00:34:34,239 --> 00:34:35,840
Speaker 6: but it said this is the message we want to

628
00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:39,160
Speaker 6: get to the world. So then we wrote the vamp

629
00:34:40,200 --> 00:34:43,520
Speaker 6: the end of the song. But Alan wouldn't give us

630
00:34:43,520 --> 00:34:45,960
Speaker 6: any credits on it. He said the song was to

631
00:34:46,320 --> 00:34:49,840
Speaker 6: my song, my song, I give you no writers credits,

632
00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:52,560
Speaker 6: even though we wrote the whole end. Now the time

633
00:34:52,640 --> 00:34:54,520
Speaker 6: all the people come together as an equal take the

634
00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:57,200
Speaker 6: burden off your brother, got to love one another. How

635
00:34:57,280 --> 00:34:59,279
Speaker 6: can you sit there like there's nothing to do, just

636
00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:01,160
Speaker 6: like you don't care with this world is coming to

637
00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:06,640
Speaker 6: so many needy, so many poor understanding is the key

638
00:35:06,719 --> 00:35:08,239
Speaker 6: to the door, you know?

639
00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:12,680
Speaker 5: And you know for their first debut performance, what what

640
00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:14,640
Speaker 5: club was that the built? Built?

641
00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:14,960
Speaker 4: Was it?

642
00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:18,320
Speaker 5: You know where you did the where the Klan was

643
00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:19,120
Speaker 5: in the uniforms?

644
00:35:19,600 --> 00:35:27,240
Speaker 11: That was Bimbo and Ku Klex Klan.

645
00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:33,160
Speaker 5: Their debut performance. The performance the band was in a

646
00:35:33,239 --> 00:35:34,320
Speaker 5: Ku Klux Klan uniform.

647
00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:36,440
Speaker 11: We were dressed like Billy Holiday. That was funny.

648
00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:39,120
Speaker 12: And the band was dressed in hoods and capes and

649
00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:42,960
Speaker 12: and they were playing their guitars and playing in their

650
00:35:43,000 --> 00:36:00,520
Speaker 12: Hoods that kind of funny now, But our own backup

651
00:36:00,560 --> 00:36:01,719
Speaker 12: band was the klu Klux Klan.

652
00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:03,719
Speaker 5: Can you believe it? Can you believe it?

653
00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:06,600
Speaker 11: Like Billie Holidays and everything that was so wonderful.

654
00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:12,520
Speaker 6: I didn't even notice the band, didn't. We got off

655
00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:16,560
Speaker 6: the stage and I saw pictures. Yeah, turn around, and

656
00:36:16,600 --> 00:36:18,000
Speaker 6: then nobody turned once, so we did.

657
00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:20,120
Speaker 7: I was so nervous on the first show.

658
00:36:20,320 --> 00:36:23,239
Speaker 6: Yeah, I didn't even realize they wouldn't know that who

659
00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:24,440
Speaker 6: the band was. I didn't know.

660
00:36:24,520 --> 00:36:26,200
Speaker 11: I didn't care because I wouldn't pan them no attention.

661
00:36:26,680 --> 00:36:33,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, those three sixties, that was our very first, our

662
00:36:33,080 --> 00:36:34,319
Speaker 1: first American show.

663
00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:40,080
Speaker 11: Oh my god, Oh my god.

664
00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:44,879
Speaker 6: Did you have the Klan band too?

665
00:36:49,160 --> 00:36:50,920
Speaker 4: No? We did not. No.

666
00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:57,520
Speaker 1: Wow, So what what was the what was the touring

667
00:36:57,640 --> 00:37:01,600
Speaker 1: circuit like for that specific period? Because I know that

668
00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:04,800
Speaker 1: at least with the Summer of Love, like between sixty

669
00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:08,320
Speaker 1: seven and seventy three. Uh, Bill Graham was into mixing,

670
00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:12,239
Speaker 1: you know, Miles Davis and the Grateful Dead, Like would

671
00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:15,279
Speaker 1: you guys fit in anything that was Bill grammish at all?

672
00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:23,239
Speaker 11: Or he was our manager managed the Fillmore West, Fillmore East. Yes,

673
00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:25,360
Speaker 11: it was our manager, but he said.

674
00:37:28,560 --> 00:37:30,360
Speaker 6: He didn't be able to know that. He was always

675
00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:31,279
Speaker 6: giving us money and he.

676
00:37:35,560 --> 00:37:36,319
Speaker 11: Think everybody that.

677
00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:41,080
Speaker 12: He did very meant so influenced our career and helped

678
00:37:41,160 --> 00:37:44,440
Speaker 12: us along and to grow be what we are now today.

679
00:37:45,120 --> 00:37:48,520
Speaker 4: So would he promote you via the rock circuit or

680
00:37:48,719 --> 00:37:50,839
Speaker 4: like we were doing backup.

681
00:37:50,520 --> 00:37:51,279
Speaker 11: Singing at the time.

682
00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:54,120
Speaker 6: We were back up going to feel More West singing

683
00:37:54,160 --> 00:38:01,120
Speaker 6: with Evanship Maha Jefferson airplane and we lived right across

684
00:38:01,120 --> 00:38:08,279
Speaker 6: the street from did not get in line, so we

685
00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:12,240
Speaker 6: were always there. Bill Graham was our man. He loves.

686
00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:17,719
Speaker 4: Really So was it just like mere seconds to learn

687
00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:18,960
Speaker 4: a song or like just.

688
00:38:19,680 --> 00:38:21,279
Speaker 11: Going to make up our own backgrounds with them?

689
00:38:22,200 --> 00:38:22,359
Speaker 13: Oh?

690
00:38:22,640 --> 00:38:22,839
Speaker 11: Yeah.

691
00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:25,520
Speaker 6: We did a lot of background singing on record and

692
00:38:25,600 --> 00:38:27,279
Speaker 6: we would go in and they would play the track

693
00:38:27,320 --> 00:38:29,480
Speaker 6: and they say, now what would you put what background

694
00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:31,759
Speaker 6: would you put on this man? So we would make

695
00:38:31,840 --> 00:38:33,160
Speaker 6: up the background parts.

696
00:38:33,239 --> 00:38:35,160
Speaker 4: The situation for David Sessions.

697
00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:38,800
Speaker 6: Yeah, we did with some. Betty she was funny. She

698
00:38:39,040 --> 00:38:41,120
Speaker 6: was really around.

699
00:38:42,200 --> 00:38:43,239
Speaker 4: She is actually.

700
00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:50,640
Speaker 6: The documentary stepping in her mail the shoes. Yeah, Betty

701
00:38:50,760 --> 00:38:51,120
Speaker 6: was cool.

702
00:38:52,680 --> 00:38:54,960
Speaker 1: So was that just a regular day? I mean, because

703
00:38:56,840 --> 00:39:00,439
Speaker 1: she's so uh mysterious with her you know, her life

704
00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:03,680
Speaker 1: and everything that this documentary is finally our first glimpse

705
00:39:03,760 --> 00:39:07,200
Speaker 1: into really was there anything notable about those sessions at all?

706
00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:09,440
Speaker 1: Or I was just like, all right, we woke up

707
00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:11,200
Speaker 1: one day, who Betty Davis looking.

708
00:39:16,920 --> 00:39:17,200
Speaker 11: Pants?

709
00:39:17,239 --> 00:39:23,040
Speaker 6: And she wrote that song about I mil shoes.

710
00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:23,640
Speaker 11: I find out?

711
00:39:31,200 --> 00:39:33,080
Speaker 1: All right, I want I'm gonna skip to seventy five

712
00:39:33,280 --> 00:39:39,000
Speaker 1: when you guys did the Stepping album speaking of shoes. Yeah,

713
00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:41,520
Speaker 1: I think the very first song I ever learned to

714
00:39:41,560 --> 00:39:43,640
Speaker 1: play on drums was I bet you got a.

715
00:39:43,680 --> 00:39:45,319
Speaker 7: Chick on the side, Get out of here.

716
00:39:49,640 --> 00:39:51,239
Speaker 1: I mean, by that point I was big enough to

717
00:39:51,239 --> 00:39:55,360
Speaker 1: actually fit on my dad's My father's a German drummer.

718
00:39:56,080 --> 00:39:56,759
Speaker 11: No, no, no, he was.

719
00:39:57,000 --> 00:40:01,440
Speaker 1: My father was an oldiest singer. But his band, uh,

720
00:40:02,160 --> 00:40:03,520
Speaker 1: you know, I used to always sneak on the drum

721
00:40:03,560 --> 00:40:03,880
Speaker 1: set and.

722
00:40:03,920 --> 00:40:06,239
Speaker 11: So sen of you for a minute, let's see what's

723
00:40:06,280 --> 00:40:06,520
Speaker 11: going on.

724
00:40:11,200 --> 00:40:17,120
Speaker 1: But I'll say that, uh, the Stepping album, especially with

725
00:40:18,200 --> 00:40:24,399
Speaker 1: I sleeping alone and what's the other Stevie's yeah, bring.

726
00:40:27,400 --> 00:40:27,600
Speaker 5: Yeah.

727
00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:30,239
Speaker 4: What were those sessions like working with them?

728
00:40:30,520 --> 00:40:34,400
Speaker 6: Oh? They were just heavenly. I don't hardly remember. I

729
00:40:34,560 --> 00:40:36,640
Speaker 6: was sing off Stevie.

730
00:40:39,080 --> 00:40:41,240
Speaker 11: Sing but you're gazing into space?

731
00:40:41,520 --> 00:40:42,720
Speaker 7: And we wrote together.

732
00:40:42,880 --> 00:40:45,520
Speaker 6: We went to the condos and we were living in Saucelito,

733
00:40:45,719 --> 00:40:48,560
Speaker 6: and he came over to Scalyo to our condo and

734
00:40:48,719 --> 00:40:52,440
Speaker 6: we rode and then we went back to David's studio

735
00:40:52,600 --> 00:40:55,200
Speaker 6: and we went to Wally Hiders studio in San Francisco,

736
00:40:57,320 --> 00:40:58,480
Speaker 6: and it was just magical.

737
00:40:58,640 --> 00:40:58,800
Speaker 12: You know.

738
00:40:58,920 --> 00:41:01,040
Speaker 6: I was just happy to were working with him. I

739
00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:03,320
Speaker 6: loved him with all my heart. And then to be

740
00:41:03,400 --> 00:41:05,920
Speaker 6: able to work with him too and write some songs.

741
00:41:06,040 --> 00:41:09,000
Speaker 6: And I noticed we got we got credit on baby

742
00:41:09,040 --> 00:41:13,920
Speaker 6: Bringing Your Sweet Stuff Home to Me, and and we

743
00:41:14,040 --> 00:41:16,080
Speaker 6: wrote another one with him called Sleeping Alone, but we

744
00:41:16,120 --> 00:41:18,560
Speaker 6: didn't get any credits on it. So, Stevie, if you're

745
00:41:18,560 --> 00:41:21,680
Speaker 6: out there, tell me.

746
00:41:28,280 --> 00:41:29,880
Speaker 4: I said the same thing on ourselves.

747
00:41:31,200 --> 00:41:32,719
Speaker 6: You know, I wrote the whole into that song. It

748
00:41:32,719 --> 00:41:33,640
Speaker 6: can give me some credits.

749
00:41:33,640 --> 00:41:38,360
Speaker 5: Come on, Steven, wait on that.

750
00:41:39,239 --> 00:41:42,480
Speaker 6: I'm sure he's not addling the publishing, you know himself.

751
00:41:42,600 --> 00:41:45,799
Speaker 6: So and those people that do, they're all about the money.

752
00:41:45,840 --> 00:41:47,239
Speaker 6: They don't care about nothing.

753
00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:53,200
Speaker 17: Else, right Unfortunately, So with the the having a Party project,

754
00:41:54,200 --> 00:41:57,000
Speaker 17: it was the approach was less about the forty what

755
00:41:58,000 --> 00:41:58,759
Speaker 17: what means you guys?

756
00:41:59,840 --> 00:42:05,520
Speaker 1: Just stylistically to modernize the group and not yeah forty

757
00:42:05,600 --> 00:42:06,120
Speaker 1: sing anymore.

758
00:42:06,120 --> 00:42:07,000
Speaker 4: Whose decision was that?

759
00:42:08,840 --> 00:42:12,239
Speaker 6: Well, I guess a joint decision of us and producer.

760
00:42:13,040 --> 00:42:15,239
Speaker 6: But we have been doing these songs, you know, and

761
00:42:15,560 --> 00:42:21,520
Speaker 6: getting gold albums and but it it made no difference.

762
00:42:21,520 --> 00:42:23,640
Speaker 6: You know, they barely would hear them on the radio.

763
00:42:24,160 --> 00:42:26,400
Speaker 6: The songs wouldn't be played just.

764
00:42:26,480 --> 00:42:27,040
Speaker 11: Like now huh.

765
00:42:30,080 --> 00:42:35,000
Speaker 6: But once we got a gold single, everything changed, and

766
00:42:35,040 --> 00:42:36,839
Speaker 6: I guess that's what we were headed for. We didn't

767
00:42:36,880 --> 00:42:39,440
Speaker 6: get it with David with having a party, but we

768
00:42:39,560 --> 00:42:44,560
Speaker 6: got some nice fun stuff on that record and great musicians.

769
00:42:45,200 --> 00:42:50,200
Speaker 1: It's weird because for hip hop, that's an album that

770
00:42:51,080 --> 00:42:53,880
Speaker 1: a lot of hip hop produces gravitate towards because of

771
00:42:55,160 --> 00:42:59,480
Speaker 1: you know, there's hip hop producers hear things different, so

772
00:42:59,680 --> 00:43:01,880
Speaker 1: it's like like if there's a good four bars, there

773
00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:04,640
Speaker 1: four bars, you know, that's sort of things. So, yeah,

774
00:43:04,719 --> 00:43:08,719
Speaker 1: a lot of notable hip hop classics were you know,

775
00:43:08,960 --> 00:43:14,440
Speaker 1: the foundation of a lot of the musical backdrop. That's

776
00:43:14,480 --> 00:43:17,279
Speaker 1: an album to go to, you know with like drum

777
00:43:17,360 --> 00:43:22,720
Speaker 1: loops and whatnot. That's good, but for you, you didn't

778
00:43:22,840 --> 00:43:24,960
Speaker 1: particularly enjoy that album or that project or.

779
00:43:26,680 --> 00:43:29,719
Speaker 6: That was the last project with David we did have

780
00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:33,680
Speaker 6: the train station in La Union. It was just a

781
00:43:33,800 --> 00:43:37,640
Speaker 6: crazy day. I remember it's working so hard and sweating, and.

782
00:43:39,719 --> 00:43:40,520
Speaker 11: I don't remember it.

783
00:43:42,440 --> 00:43:43,120
Speaker 4: Was hot.

784
00:43:43,520 --> 00:43:45,719
Speaker 7: It was oh god, it was a fun day.

785
00:43:45,760 --> 00:43:47,239
Speaker 6: Though. I enjoyed the video.

786
00:43:47,440 --> 00:43:50,239
Speaker 4: I enjoyed it, Okay. So how uh.

787
00:43:51,840 --> 00:43:54,319
Speaker 1: As far as like the four of you concerned? I mean,

788
00:43:54,400 --> 00:43:59,680
Speaker 1: because you know, it's family members sometimes agreeable, sometimes they

789
00:43:59,719 --> 00:44:03,360
Speaker 1: bicker or whatnot. But like, how is it like is

790
00:44:03,400 --> 00:44:07,160
Speaker 1: it truly always an agreeable atmosphere? Like how do you

791
00:44:07,200 --> 00:44:11,359
Speaker 1: guys settle your differences and you're together all the time

792
00:44:11,480 --> 00:44:12,600
Speaker 1: and you know how.

793
00:44:12,640 --> 00:44:16,240
Speaker 6: Respect Yeah, and knowing each other as we grew together,

794
00:44:16,440 --> 00:44:22,400
Speaker 6: you know, we just seemed to know what buttons not

795
00:44:22,640 --> 00:44:25,600
Speaker 6: to push, you know, and when it'll be quiet.

796
00:44:25,719 --> 00:44:28,080
Speaker 11: Me being the shortest and that one of the youngest.

797
00:44:28,239 --> 00:44:32,640
Speaker 11: I believe me. I wasn't pushing no button nobody else's

798
00:44:32,680 --> 00:44:35,320
Speaker 11: but not the tall people ain't too tall.

799
00:44:36,160 --> 00:44:38,880
Speaker 6: No, she got tougher because she was the smallest, the

800
00:44:39,320 --> 00:44:43,759
Speaker 6: biggest mouth, always ready to to get somebody. And Jack

801
00:44:44,040 --> 00:44:46,800
Speaker 6: was the baby, so she was always handled with kid gloves.

802
00:44:46,840 --> 00:44:49,680
Speaker 6: She was always kind of fragile, she really was, you know,

803
00:44:49,840 --> 00:44:52,759
Speaker 6: And we kind of took care of her as much

804
00:44:52,800 --> 00:44:53,319
Speaker 6: as we could.

805
00:44:54,520 --> 00:44:58,680
Speaker 1: So you eventually went to Motown in seventy eight, seventy six,

806
00:44:58,719 --> 00:45:03,640
Speaker 1: seventy eight with you released what Heaven must have sent you.

807
00:45:04,320 --> 00:45:07,280
Speaker 4: I think I gotta say that all all.

808
00:45:07,160 --> 00:45:14,120
Speaker 1: Of your soul training appearances, we're legendary because you and

809
00:45:14,200 --> 00:45:15,360
Speaker 1: Don's flirt game.

810
00:45:16,920 --> 00:45:20,440
Speaker 6: How much speak of Sea Ones, I'll.

811
00:45:20,280 --> 00:45:25,120
Speaker 4: Hook you up. I got you on that you and

812
00:45:25,200 --> 00:45:29,080
Speaker 4: Don's flirt game was really really I'll say that.

813
00:45:29,520 --> 00:45:32,560
Speaker 1: I don't I don't know what it was, but you know, there,

814
00:45:32,600 --> 00:45:34,320
Speaker 1: I always felt like there was a lot of inside

815
00:45:34,400 --> 00:45:37,560
Speaker 1: jokes whenever he would talk to you, like he would

816
00:45:38,760 --> 00:45:39,879
Speaker 1: flirt with you the most.

817
00:45:55,239 --> 00:46:05,040
Speaker 11: I'm keeping my mouth ship, so I would like.

818
00:46:05,120 --> 00:46:05,360
Speaker 13: To know.

819
00:46:08,200 --> 00:46:12,720
Speaker 1: Boss Bill and I for about maybe four or five years,

820
00:46:13,600 --> 00:46:17,760
Speaker 1: we did a course as quasi professors at.

821
00:46:18,320 --> 00:46:20,160
Speaker 5: N Y Youth and.

822
00:46:21,760 --> 00:46:25,880
Speaker 1: One of the main themes of our class was the

823
00:46:26,000 --> 00:46:31,319
Speaker 1: idea of what the eighties represented as far as uh

824
00:46:31,920 --> 00:46:38,040
Speaker 1: for black groups transitioning too, what what lay ahead, or

825
00:46:38,080 --> 00:46:41,560
Speaker 1: the idea of For some reason, the idea of crossovers

826
00:46:41,600 --> 00:46:45,719
Speaker 1: seemed like a four letter word, But you know, I

827
00:46:45,719 --> 00:46:48,439
Speaker 1: always explained to our class. There's a scene in film

828
00:46:48,480 --> 00:46:50,880
Speaker 1: and Luiz where the very last scene. I don't want

829
00:46:50,920 --> 00:46:51,600
Speaker 1: to spoiler alert.

830
00:46:51,760 --> 00:47:00,840
Speaker 4: Did you see the movie, you know, the Cliff on

831
00:47:00,920 --> 00:47:02,799
Speaker 4: the Cliff, But for.

832
00:47:04,440 --> 00:47:07,319
Speaker 1: You know, for a lot of black artists that were

833
00:47:07,400 --> 00:47:12,160
Speaker 1: notable in the seventies, uh, the eighties represented a cliff jump,

834
00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:16,400
Speaker 1: and either some group's idea was to okay, well, the

835
00:47:16,480 --> 00:47:19,600
Speaker 1: lead singer has to go, so I you know, Richie

836
00:47:20,600 --> 00:47:24,040
Speaker 1: leaves the common doors and Michael Jackson eventually his way

837
00:47:24,080 --> 00:47:27,160
Speaker 1: out of his family to go solo. And then some

838
00:47:27,320 --> 00:47:30,320
Speaker 1: other groups kind of had a do or die situation,

839
00:47:30,440 --> 00:47:33,759
Speaker 1: which is like either roll with the punches or you know,

840
00:47:33,920 --> 00:47:37,560
Speaker 1: get left back into nostalgiaville. And I'll say that you guys,

841
00:47:38,920 --> 00:47:44,319
Speaker 1: probably out of all the acts that attempted, that jump

842
00:47:44,800 --> 00:47:48,280
Speaker 1: fared the best. Uh you know, Earth went and fired

843
00:47:48,719 --> 00:47:51,840
Speaker 1: trying to make that jump cool in the gang, same situation.

844
00:47:54,640 --> 00:47:57,480
Speaker 1: What when you guys went to Planet Records. I don't

845
00:47:57,480 --> 00:48:00,440
Speaker 1: know what label that was under, but yeah, I know

846
00:48:00,520 --> 00:48:05,319
Speaker 1: that you guys work with with Freddie Perrin Bridger parent par.

847
00:48:07,280 --> 00:48:07,400
Speaker 11: Uh.

848
00:48:09,000 --> 00:48:14,440
Speaker 1: What what was the trust situation between him as a

849
00:48:14,480 --> 00:48:18,319
Speaker 1: producer and the group as far as.

850
00:48:18,280 --> 00:48:22,000
Speaker 4: Convincing you guys to like see things my way? And

851
00:48:22,080 --> 00:48:26,960
Speaker 4: I'm gonna put push you in a different direction, which.

852
00:48:26,880 --> 00:48:29,840
Speaker 6: We kind of went to him wanting a different direction,

853
00:48:30,600 --> 00:48:33,879
Speaker 6: and he liked our ideas. We took songs to him

854
00:48:35,600 --> 00:48:39,640
Speaker 6: and uh, what were the songs? Everybody is a Star?

855
00:48:41,320 --> 00:48:44,600
Speaker 6: It was one of the songs we took and let's see.

856
00:48:44,480 --> 00:48:47,840
Speaker 4: I remember you did ah well Fired?

857
00:48:53,120 --> 00:48:53,319
Speaker 12: Yeah?

858
00:48:54,400 --> 00:48:56,520
Speaker 6: Yeah, but.

859
00:48:58,200 --> 00:49:00,400
Speaker 1: No, I'm just saying that, Oh, well, do you revealed

860
00:49:00,400 --> 00:49:02,120
Speaker 1: to me that you guys went to him? In my mind,

861
00:49:02,160 --> 00:49:06,960
Speaker 1: I'm thinking usually when we ask people that come on

862
00:49:07,080 --> 00:49:10,440
Speaker 1: our show, usually it's a thing where it's like, yeah,

863
00:49:10,520 --> 00:49:12,200
Speaker 1: the label told us we have to do that, we

864
00:49:12,320 --> 00:49:16,280
Speaker 1: have to do that, and always wanted to know because

865
00:49:16,320 --> 00:49:20,320
Speaker 1: you're you're probably the first act that really has four stages,

866
00:49:20,560 --> 00:49:23,040
Speaker 1: you know, Lias a singing act, four stages of.

867
00:49:23,360 --> 00:49:25,560
Speaker 6: Life, as I had the list of the songs on

868
00:49:25,640 --> 00:49:27,360
Speaker 6: my first album because there were a few that we

869
00:49:27,480 --> 00:49:31,480
Speaker 6: brought to him. But he liked what we our ideas

870
00:49:31,680 --> 00:49:35,080
Speaker 6: and we wanted to get away from the nostalgia thing

871
00:49:35,239 --> 00:49:37,680
Speaker 6: because we didn't want people to compare it to what

872
00:49:37,800 --> 00:49:42,040
Speaker 6: we used to do. We wanted to do something totally

873
00:49:42,080 --> 00:49:46,520
Speaker 6: different and also more commercial. We ended up with Fire

874
00:49:46,719 --> 00:49:51,240
Speaker 6: getting our first goal single and it made such a difference.

875
00:49:51,280 --> 00:49:53,680
Speaker 6: We had gold albums and we never had a goal

876
00:49:53,760 --> 00:49:56,240
Speaker 6: single before. But once we got that goal single, everything

877
00:49:56,320 --> 00:49:59,040
Speaker 6: just shot up. Everything just went hey, it went crazy.

878
00:49:59,160 --> 00:50:00,759
Speaker 6: You know, I wish I written that song.

879
00:50:00,920 --> 00:50:07,480
Speaker 4: Bruce song to you guys are like Howard Songs presented

880
00:50:07,520 --> 00:50:07,640
Speaker 4: to you.

881
00:50:07,840 --> 00:50:10,000
Speaker 6: Richard Perry brought it to us and I heard it

882
00:50:10,160 --> 00:50:15,640
Speaker 6: was originally recorded and written for Elvis Presley. But because

883
00:50:15,640 --> 00:50:16,840
Speaker 6: when they brought it in and played it for it,

884
00:50:16,880 --> 00:50:20,120
Speaker 6: so it's like I'm running in your car, wait turn

885
00:50:20,239 --> 00:50:24,440
Speaker 6: on the radio. And I said what I said, maybe

886
00:50:24,520 --> 00:50:29,120
Speaker 6: Ruthy should sing it. He said, I want you to

887
00:50:29,280 --> 00:50:32,520
Speaker 6: sing it, and that nice, So I said, it is

888
00:50:33,960 --> 00:50:35,640
Speaker 6: our first gold single.

889
00:50:35,800 --> 00:50:38,279
Speaker 5: Well that was a kind of another kind of a

890
00:50:38,680 --> 00:50:42,320
Speaker 5: mold breaking experience too, because there you ran into like

891
00:50:42,440 --> 00:50:44,960
Speaker 5: you did with the country music. Black girls don't sing

892
00:50:45,080 --> 00:50:48,040
Speaker 5: rock and roll, right, that was a crazy idea. I

893
00:50:48,080 --> 00:50:49,640
Speaker 5: don't know where he got that from, but that's what

894
00:50:49,719 --> 00:50:50,120
Speaker 5: I read that.

895
00:50:50,320 --> 00:50:54,920
Speaker 6: Yeah, because with Richard Perry that second album, Priority, we

896
00:50:55,120 --> 00:50:59,480
Speaker 6: had such successful the first album and then Priority we

897
00:50:59,560 --> 00:51:01,640
Speaker 6: put that and it was like all rock and roll,

898
00:51:01,760 --> 00:51:06,480
Speaker 6: it's so good. I love it, and they wouldn't play

899
00:51:06,560 --> 00:51:07,319
Speaker 6: it the radio.

900
00:51:07,400 --> 00:51:09,239
Speaker 12: Said, they refused to play it because there's no such

901
00:51:09,320 --> 00:51:11,280
Speaker 12: thing as black rock and rollus.

902
00:51:11,800 --> 00:51:13,840
Speaker 11: Can you imagine that a rock and heart? What do

903
00:51:13,960 --> 00:51:14,880
Speaker 11: they think started it?

904
00:51:15,160 --> 00:51:15,840
Speaker 6: Really? Where did?

905
00:51:18,719 --> 00:51:22,000
Speaker 10: The ones who copied it from the black radio couldn't

906
00:51:22,000 --> 00:51:22,600
Speaker 10: play it either.

907
00:51:26,640 --> 00:51:29,840
Speaker 6: They just weren't allowed to play it because you know,

908
00:51:29,920 --> 00:51:31,280
Speaker 6: they owned by the white folks.

909
00:51:32,840 --> 00:51:37,959
Speaker 11: It's to go to the bathroom.

910
00:51:42,320 --> 00:51:51,640
Speaker 1: Fan, Okay, I love it, well, I love I love

911
00:51:51,719 --> 00:51:54,200
Speaker 1: the fact that your label wasn't discouraged or.

912
00:51:55,840 --> 00:51:57,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, I got another chance because.

913
00:51:57,239 --> 00:51:59,800
Speaker 6: Because our producer loved rock and roll. I mean he,

914
00:52:00,200 --> 00:52:02,520
Speaker 6: I mean he was friends with Tina Turner and you know,

915
00:52:03,000 --> 00:52:05,000
Speaker 6: Rod Stewart and all of them would always be at

916
00:52:05,040 --> 00:52:07,040
Speaker 6: his house and stuff, and he loved it. And he

917
00:52:07,520 --> 00:52:11,520
Speaker 6: felt that from getting that first album through with all

918
00:52:11,600 --> 00:52:13,400
Speaker 6: the you know, the things that were on there, and

919
00:52:14,760 --> 00:52:17,320
Speaker 6: he figured, well they and if plus he was producer

920
00:52:17,400 --> 00:52:20,960
Speaker 6: of the year okay, he was that olser of the year.

921
00:52:21,160 --> 00:52:24,759
Speaker 6: He got awards, accolades all and so he figured, I

922
00:52:24,800 --> 00:52:27,400
Speaker 6: can do this, you know, and Noll accept it from me,

923
00:52:28,000 --> 00:52:29,239
Speaker 6: and they did. He said, no, I'm a rock and

924
00:52:29,360 --> 00:52:32,080
Speaker 6: roll guy too, and you know, and they did. They

925
00:52:32,120 --> 00:52:33,239
Speaker 6: didn't they wouldn't accept it.

926
00:52:33,400 --> 00:52:37,160
Speaker 10: Dang, it's still hard for him too. So yeah, yeah,

927
00:52:37,400 --> 00:52:39,719
Speaker 10: progress been slow for.

928
00:52:39,840 --> 00:52:45,040
Speaker 1: The Special Things album. I know that the burying Cynthia, right,

929
00:52:45,239 --> 00:52:49,880
Speaker 1: he's so shy. I know Cynthia. Well yeah, okay, I

930
00:52:49,920 --> 00:52:50,399
Speaker 1: gotta look.

931
00:52:50,760 --> 00:52:55,280
Speaker 6: He's so shy. Was Tom Tom and Cynthia.

932
00:52:56,480 --> 00:53:02,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, Barry became a songwriting partner. Tell you guys, how

933
00:53:02,719 --> 00:53:03,160
Speaker 1: was that song?

934
00:53:03,719 --> 00:53:03,839
Speaker 4: Oh?

935
00:53:03,960 --> 00:53:06,239
Speaker 6: It was so much fun to was he We worked

936
00:53:06,280 --> 00:53:09,000
Speaker 6: with him before on something else. I can't remember what song,

937
00:53:09,080 --> 00:53:13,080
Speaker 6: but when he brought us, he's so shy, and we

938
00:53:13,280 --> 00:53:15,439
Speaker 6: just loved the song and it was easy to sing,

939
00:53:15,680 --> 00:53:19,680
Speaker 6: and people loved it and and I think guys loved

940
00:53:19,719 --> 00:53:23,920
Speaker 6: it because we could sing to them, you know, and

941
00:53:24,120 --> 00:53:25,600
Speaker 6: most guys are shy.

942
00:53:30,440 --> 00:53:30,640
Speaker 12: To me.

943
00:53:43,920 --> 00:53:46,480
Speaker 4: Happened on the Love Book with Isaac.

944
00:53:47,280 --> 00:53:49,319
Speaker 11: And you went to school with him.

945
00:53:49,800 --> 00:53:52,440
Speaker 6: I went to high school with Ted. We were we

946
00:53:52,520 --> 00:53:56,480
Speaker 6: were in plays all the time. His mother had a

947
00:53:56,600 --> 00:53:57,440
Speaker 6: radio show there.

948
00:54:02,120 --> 00:54:06,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, was militant.

949
00:54:07,120 --> 00:54:10,000
Speaker 6: We had a great drama teacher, mister Wayne. And we

950
00:54:10,120 --> 00:54:12,080
Speaker 6: still keep in touch with him and Ted are still

951
00:54:12,160 --> 00:54:14,799
Speaker 6: writing things, and I get in touch with them every

952
00:54:14,880 --> 00:54:16,640
Speaker 6: now and then. We're not in touch like we should be.

953
00:54:17,360 --> 00:54:19,479
Speaker 6: But I loved Ted and we went to high school together,

954
00:54:19,520 --> 00:54:22,640
Speaker 6: and we were in all the plays together in high school.

955
00:54:22,680 --> 00:54:24,920
Speaker 6: I really thought I would get into acting more than singing,

956
00:54:25,000 --> 00:54:28,560
Speaker 6: because I really liked it. But once I started auditioning,

957
00:54:30,880 --> 00:54:31,400
Speaker 6: I said.

958
00:54:31,280 --> 00:54:32,560
Speaker 4: Oh no, this is not for me.

959
00:54:34,880 --> 00:54:35,879
Speaker 7: I forgot car washing.

960
00:54:37,120 --> 00:54:39,760
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, that's true. Car Wash was so much fun.

961
00:54:40,040 --> 00:54:43,400
Speaker 6: Oh god, that was so much fun working with Richard Pryor.

962
00:54:43,560 --> 00:54:46,239
Speaker 6: I'm a kidney. He had us laughing all the time.

963
00:54:47,320 --> 00:54:48,319
Speaker 7: It was hilarious.

964
00:54:48,640 --> 00:54:50,480
Speaker 6: We went to his house and hung out with him

965
00:54:50,520 --> 00:54:53,040
Speaker 6: there after, you know, the show shooting and stuff, and.

966
00:54:55,239 --> 00:54:56,600
Speaker 11: Was on the road with him at that place and

967
00:54:57,560 --> 00:54:58,279
Speaker 11: was that in New Jersey?

968
00:54:59,680 --> 00:55:00,759
Speaker 6: Were we're open for him?

969
00:55:01,200 --> 00:55:01,319
Speaker 17: At?

970
00:55:01,520 --> 00:55:01,640
Speaker 7: Uh?

971
00:55:02,360 --> 00:55:06,360
Speaker 6: That place in back East and I can't remember. And

972
00:55:06,400 --> 00:55:07,440
Speaker 6: he would get out on See.

973
00:55:08,120 --> 00:55:09,920
Speaker 4: The US won't get me. Know.

974
00:55:10,320 --> 00:55:17,640
Speaker 11: I love the I love them, but they won't give me.

975
00:55:22,719 --> 00:55:25,680
Speaker 16: What was it like working with Norman Whitfield? You gotta

976
00:55:25,719 --> 00:55:28,040
Speaker 16: believe what was he like in the studio.

977
00:55:28,200 --> 00:55:30,720
Speaker 6: He was wonderful, He loved us. He know we should

978
00:55:30,760 --> 00:55:35,759
Speaker 6: have had the hit song the war songs that he

979
00:55:35,920 --> 00:55:38,200
Speaker 6: was his group Rose roy So and they did a

980
00:55:38,280 --> 00:55:41,320
Speaker 6: fabulous job and they were wonderful, but he know that

981
00:55:41,320 --> 00:55:42,040
Speaker 6: should have been our song.

982
00:55:42,360 --> 00:55:44,360
Speaker 11: He wanted us to sound like the Female Temptations.

983
00:55:45,200 --> 00:55:49,400
Speaker 6: We were I was up at Ruthie's apartment. Gary Stromberg,

984
00:55:49,480 --> 00:55:51,840
Speaker 6: I think it was, who was one of the producers,

985
00:55:52,560 --> 00:55:57,960
Speaker 6: was AT's house, remember AIDA's house, And we went down

986
00:55:58,040 --> 00:56:00,920
Speaker 6: there and Gary Stromberg was there and he said he's

987
00:56:00,920 --> 00:56:03,840
Speaker 6: doing a movie. And we said, well, put us in

988
00:56:03,920 --> 00:56:06,239
Speaker 6: the movie. You know, if you're doing a movie. We

989
00:56:06,280 --> 00:56:07,960
Speaker 6: were hot at the time. We had hit songs and

990
00:56:08,040 --> 00:56:10,800
Speaker 6: on TV and all that stuff. So he did. He

991
00:56:10,880 --> 00:56:12,400
Speaker 6: called us the next day and say we got We

992
00:56:12,480 --> 00:56:15,239
Speaker 6: wrote you in And it wasn't a big part, but

993
00:56:15,320 --> 00:56:18,560
Speaker 6: it was a fabulous time. It was yeah.

994
00:56:21,600 --> 00:56:22,719
Speaker 7: With Bill Rich.

995
00:56:25,840 --> 00:56:27,640
Speaker 11: Yeah you got to believe in something.

996
00:56:27,840 --> 00:56:33,560
Speaker 6: Yeah, wellhy not believe in me? Yeah that was too much.

997
00:56:33,680 --> 00:56:37,120
Speaker 4: But how many days did it take the shoot? Was

998
00:56:37,160 --> 00:56:38,920
Speaker 4: it just like a one day shoot or no?

999
00:56:39,040 --> 00:56:41,239
Speaker 7: It was like a week?

1000
00:56:41,880 --> 00:56:42,080
Speaker 11: Yeah?

1001
00:56:42,280 --> 00:56:46,960
Speaker 6: Yeah, a week because yeah, it was fun. And the

1002
00:56:47,080 --> 00:56:52,760
Speaker 6: last day of shooting we had our own little rat party.

1003
00:56:53,760 --> 00:56:57,960
Speaker 6: We were all so happy that it was over. Oh

1004
00:56:58,080 --> 00:56:59,640
Speaker 6: my god. And then we got to call the next

1005
00:56:59,680 --> 00:57:03,880
Speaker 6: morning saying we need close ups. I thought I was

1006
00:57:03,920 --> 00:57:09,520
Speaker 6: going to die close up today all night.

1007
00:57:15,960 --> 00:57:19,640
Speaker 5: It's crazy. I ran into Rose Royce and Beijing. Wow,

1008
00:57:19,720 --> 00:57:22,040
Speaker 5: really she's performing over there?

1009
00:57:22,080 --> 00:57:26,320
Speaker 10: I wonder, Yeah, were you lecturing?

1010
00:57:26,560 --> 00:57:28,920
Speaker 5: No, No, my wife and I were just visiting Beijing,

1011
00:57:29,080 --> 00:57:31,600
Speaker 5: and of course you and of course she didn't. She

1012
00:57:31,800 --> 00:57:34,120
Speaker 5: wasn't very friendly. And then I found out the backstory

1013
00:57:34,160 --> 00:57:35,919
Speaker 5: and found out that that that they had been brought

1014
00:57:35,960 --> 00:57:38,280
Speaker 5: into the studio by normal I think to say, sing

1015
00:57:38,360 --> 00:57:39,919
Speaker 5: it like the Pointer sisters.

1016
00:57:41,520 --> 00:57:41,600
Speaker 4: And.

1017
00:57:44,760 --> 00:57:46,640
Speaker 10: That's a long time to hold I know.

1018
00:57:47,080 --> 00:57:47,680
Speaker 6: She said that.

1019
00:57:47,880 --> 00:57:52,160
Speaker 5: Yeah, No, she didn't say anything out why she was

1020
00:57:52,240 --> 00:57:55,240
Speaker 5: so unfriendly to us because I introduced myself.

1021
00:57:55,320 --> 00:57:57,440
Speaker 6: They were very rude to Rose Royce while we were

1022
00:57:57,480 --> 00:57:58,040
Speaker 6: in the studio.

1023
00:57:58,120 --> 00:58:00,480
Speaker 11: Wow, were that.

1024
00:58:00,640 --> 00:58:02,560
Speaker 6: Norman Whitfield was tough and he wanted to show that

1025
00:58:02,640 --> 00:58:04,920
Speaker 6: he was was you know, sing it again and sing

1026
00:58:04,960 --> 00:58:06,280
Speaker 6: it about. You can sing it better than that.

1027
00:58:06,720 --> 00:58:08,360
Speaker 5: Wow, pu's it up there?

1028
00:58:08,400 --> 00:58:10,720
Speaker 6: Come on? And it was really just hard on them.

1029
00:58:10,760 --> 00:58:12,840
Speaker 6: I couldn't understand because I never had a producer talk

1030
00:58:12,880 --> 00:58:16,800
Speaker 6: to me that way and he didn't. No, he didn't

1031
00:58:16,800 --> 00:58:17,840
Speaker 6: talk to us that way at all.

1032
00:58:18,360 --> 00:58:19,480
Speaker 4: They sing it at all.

1033
00:58:23,600 --> 00:58:24,000
Speaker 9: We got it.

1034
00:58:24,440 --> 00:58:25,000
Speaker 11: We don't want to.

1035
00:58:28,320 --> 00:58:28,440
Speaker 13: Us.

1036
00:58:29,560 --> 00:58:30,240
Speaker 6: We got it right.

1037
00:58:31,960 --> 00:58:32,160
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1038
00:58:32,200 --> 00:58:34,000
Speaker 6: It was a great honor to work with him. He's

1039
00:58:34,040 --> 00:58:37,400
Speaker 6: such a legend and the world another borl.

1040
00:58:37,240 --> 00:58:40,200
Speaker 5: Will Miss Bonnie studied under Cecil Brown, who did a

1041
00:58:40,240 --> 00:58:44,320
Speaker 5: biography of Richard Pryor at that kind at Merritt College

1042
00:58:44,360 --> 00:58:47,880
Speaker 5: in Oakland. Yes, he did a biography of Richard Cecil Brown.

1043
00:58:47,960 --> 00:58:50,560
Speaker 5: He wrote some wonderful books stagger lye and you talking

1044
00:58:50,600 --> 00:58:54,560
Speaker 5: about dancer, You mean a book a book? Yeah, yeah,

1045
00:58:55,520 --> 00:58:56,560
Speaker 5: but he wrote a biography.

1046
00:58:56,800 --> 00:58:59,920
Speaker 11: Did you study Bonnie Oakland Mills College, Miracle?

1047
00:59:00,400 --> 00:59:01,240
Speaker 10: What did you study there?

1048
00:59:01,640 --> 00:59:01,800
Speaker 6: Art?

1049
00:59:03,080 --> 00:59:03,640
Speaker 10: Visual art?

1050
00:59:03,800 --> 00:59:08,040
Speaker 7: Yes, Pa, we got to get.

1051
00:59:09,800 --> 00:59:11,680
Speaker 6: Got to get a new easel and I got.

1052
00:59:18,680 --> 00:59:20,680
Speaker 4: What was it like doing? Well, how did y'all get

1053
00:59:20,680 --> 00:59:22,600
Speaker 4: the call? I guess for the pinball thing?

1054
00:59:23,480 --> 00:59:23,640
Speaker 5: Oh?

1055
00:59:26,640 --> 00:59:28,400
Speaker 6: Yes, I love call this so I don't know how

1056
00:59:28,720 --> 00:59:30,880
Speaker 6: they they called and asked us to do it, and

1057
00:59:31,200 --> 00:59:34,840
Speaker 6: we went over to San Francisco and we took our kids.

1058
00:59:35,400 --> 00:59:38,680
Speaker 6: I had Jada was there and fun and Malik I

1059
00:59:38,760 --> 00:59:40,920
Speaker 6: think she gone and Nandi were there to I don't know.

1060
00:59:41,200 --> 00:59:42,840
Speaker 6: I think so princes kids.

1061
00:59:42,920 --> 00:59:45,080
Speaker 11: My kids were very cool working.

1062
00:59:44,880 --> 00:59:48,080
Speaker 4: In the studio with Herbie. Was he there at the time?

1063
00:59:48,320 --> 00:59:49,360
Speaker 11: What the pinball machine?

1064
00:59:50,080 --> 00:59:50,480
Speaker 4: Handcock?

1065
00:59:50,600 --> 00:59:53,520
Speaker 11: No, the pen Mam machine is the sesame street.

1066
00:59:54,120 --> 00:59:57,320
Speaker 1: Music wise, we always told that Herbie Hancock did the music.

1067
00:59:57,240 --> 00:59:58,200
Speaker 6: Really well, we weren't there.

1068
00:59:58,240 --> 01:00:00,520
Speaker 11: I don't even know we did it. We did sing

1069
01:00:00,640 --> 01:00:03,880
Speaker 11: one to the four, five, eleven, twelve.

1070
01:00:08,800 --> 01:00:10,120
Speaker 4: Always a different times.

1071
01:00:11,520 --> 01:00:14,480
Speaker 12: Yeah, well that's that's the and we did the ab

1072
01:00:14,600 --> 01:00:16,600
Speaker 12: school cool crazy swinging alphabets.

1073
01:00:17,200 --> 01:00:20,040
Speaker 5: Okay, Well, it's interesting to when they talk about how

1074
01:00:20,160 --> 01:00:22,840
Speaker 5: the technology has developed and how when they were singing

1075
01:00:22,880 --> 01:00:25,760
Speaker 5: earlier on they didn't have this looping protos.

1076
01:00:26,040 --> 01:00:28,000
Speaker 11: We were twelve times.

1077
01:00:28,160 --> 01:00:30,320
Speaker 12: We had the twelve hundred times we would be in

1078
01:00:30,400 --> 01:00:31,760
Speaker 12: the studio till our hands fell, like.

1079
01:00:36,520 --> 01:00:39,680
Speaker 1: One of one of our usually it's six of us

1080
01:00:39,960 --> 01:00:44,120
Speaker 1: and one of our members. Uh, unpaid Bill is.

1081
01:00:44,760 --> 01:00:46,360
Speaker 11: Unpaid Bill, that's his name.

1082
01:00:49,920 --> 01:00:56,680
Speaker 1: He's now the Joe Roposal of Sesame Street.

1083
01:00:56,760 --> 01:00:59,840
Speaker 5: He like, oh wow, beautiful.

1084
01:01:00,120 --> 01:01:01,560
Speaker 4: He was going through all the.

1085
01:01:01,560 --> 01:01:03,840
Speaker 1: Old tapes and realized that you guys had to do

1086
01:01:04,120 --> 01:01:07,640
Speaker 1: twelve individual versions of that song.

1087
01:01:07,480 --> 01:01:11,800
Speaker 11: And wow, I didn't even know that. I don't remember.

1088
01:01:13,280 --> 01:01:19,200
Speaker 11: Wow about eleven twelve, I get it.

1089
01:01:20,120 --> 01:01:22,520
Speaker 4: I'm glad it wasn't. Yeah, it could have been twenty.

1090
01:01:24,440 --> 01:01:25,120
Speaker 7: That's what I like it.

1091
01:01:25,680 --> 01:01:26,240
Speaker 6: At the studio.

1092
01:01:27,040 --> 01:01:29,400
Speaker 11: Yeah, what time is that we have to be there?

1093
01:01:29,480 --> 01:01:29,560
Speaker 12: Now?

1094
01:01:33,200 --> 01:01:34,240
Speaker 6: Finished? Thirteen?

1095
01:01:37,360 --> 01:01:39,840
Speaker 1: I have a question because I know that you always

1096
01:01:39,880 --> 01:01:43,560
Speaker 1: wanted to know you wrote on the Special Things album.

1097
01:01:45,120 --> 01:01:46,000
Speaker 4: Could I be dreaming?

1098
01:01:46,320 --> 01:01:46,560
Speaker 6: Yeah?

1099
01:01:47,040 --> 01:01:49,600
Speaker 4: Can I ask you something? How much have influenced the

1100
01:01:49,680 --> 01:01:51,560
Speaker 4: Jackson shake Your Boy Down to the ground half on

1101
01:01:51,680 --> 01:01:52,000
Speaker 4: that song?

1102
01:01:52,240 --> 01:01:52,640
Speaker 15: You know what?

1103
01:01:52,960 --> 01:01:56,200
Speaker 6: I didn't think a minute enough to ever come to you.

1104
01:01:56,320 --> 01:01:59,720
Speaker 6: But the thing is, the track was done by Trevor Lawrence,

1105
01:01:59,800 --> 01:02:03,560
Speaker 6: my friend. He brought me the track. I wrote the lyrics.

1106
01:02:04,400 --> 01:02:07,360
Speaker 6: I never never even entered my mind anything about Michael

1107
01:02:07,440 --> 01:02:09,720
Speaker 6: Jackson or the Jackson's And when a friend played it

1108
01:02:09,760 --> 01:02:13,000
Speaker 6: for a friend and she told me that I wanted

1109
01:02:13,040 --> 01:02:19,800
Speaker 6: to pop her in the what just like Jackson's what

1110
01:02:19,880 --> 01:02:20,360
Speaker 6: you're talking about?

1111
01:02:20,360 --> 01:02:20,640
Speaker 4: Witness?

1112
01:02:23,000 --> 01:02:24,720
Speaker 6: It was so hard. I'm like, this is one of

1113
01:02:24,760 --> 01:02:27,880
Speaker 6: the best songs I ever wrote. I love it.

1114
01:02:29,520 --> 01:02:30,040
Speaker 13: The thing was.

1115
01:02:31,840 --> 01:02:36,040
Speaker 4: When radio first started playing it, Jackson.

1116
01:02:35,960 --> 01:02:39,440
Speaker 6: And That's something A minute, Wow, that was? That was

1117
01:02:39,600 --> 01:02:44,840
Speaker 6: really cold, you know, because I'm sorry, thanks for bringing

1118
01:02:44,880 --> 01:02:50,800
Speaker 6: that up to say that, you know, And there are

1119
01:02:50,880 --> 01:02:51,840
Speaker 6: songs that sounded like.

1120
01:02:51,920 --> 01:02:54,520
Speaker 11: Out there all the time, I know, and they wouldn't

1121
01:02:54,520 --> 01:02:55,040
Speaker 11: play mine.

1122
01:02:55,240 --> 01:02:55,720
Speaker 4: Here's the thing.

1123
01:02:55,800 --> 01:02:57,640
Speaker 12: Here's the thing though, because you're a Nita Pointer and

1124
01:02:57,680 --> 01:03:04,560
Speaker 12: you're black, You're not a Jackson.

1125
01:03:06,480 --> 01:03:09,880
Speaker 1: We just we just had Randy Jackson on the show

1126
01:03:10,880 --> 01:03:14,760
Speaker 1: for him and for him, he admitted that shake your

1127
01:03:14,800 --> 01:03:17,080
Speaker 1: body down to the ground was basically his version of

1128
01:03:17,160 --> 01:03:18,960
Speaker 1: Teddy Pendergrass, Get up, get down.

1129
01:03:21,680 --> 01:03:22,960
Speaker 7: Believe me, you know what.

1130
01:03:23,400 --> 01:03:26,040
Speaker 6: We take some songs all the time, but I swear

1131
01:03:26,120 --> 01:03:28,520
Speaker 6: to God if when I was doing that song, I

1132
01:03:28,600 --> 01:03:33,080
Speaker 6: had no there was no inkling, no thought about the

1133
01:03:33,200 --> 01:03:37,080
Speaker 6: Jackson song at all. We've had songs that we've taken

1134
01:03:37,120 --> 01:03:41,120
Speaker 6: from John Lee Hooker, you know him, that we've done,

1135
01:03:41,240 --> 01:03:42,920
Speaker 6: and we you know, did some things from his.

1136
01:03:43,400 --> 01:03:45,680
Speaker 7: We did that on it was bet you got to

1137
01:03:45,720 --> 01:03:48,120
Speaker 7: check on the side, really.

1138
01:03:53,120 --> 01:03:55,680
Speaker 6: Say that. But I believe me, I'm proud to say, whoever,

1139
01:03:56,120 --> 01:03:58,280
Speaker 6: because that's what music is all about, going round and

1140
01:03:58,360 --> 01:04:01,160
Speaker 6: round and you know, coming back backing in and and

1141
01:04:01,320 --> 01:04:05,720
Speaker 6: so I would never not get him that. But I

1142
01:04:05,880 --> 01:04:09,040
Speaker 6: took the Jackson song for for Could I be dreaming?

1143
01:04:09,040 --> 01:04:10,360
Speaker 6: Because I never thought about the.

1144
01:04:10,400 --> 01:04:15,640
Speaker 11: Jackson the thing that, yeah, the music I would that narration.

1145
01:04:15,880 --> 01:04:17,960
Speaker 6: I wanted to be heard, and they won't even play

1146
01:04:18,000 --> 01:04:19,280
Speaker 6: the damn song and they think.

1147
01:04:19,600 --> 01:04:21,840
Speaker 11: So we're gonna flap somebody, Yes.

1148
01:04:24,640 --> 01:04:25,280
Speaker 6: It's released.

1149
01:04:25,640 --> 01:04:28,040
Speaker 12: How things like that happened? Like when I was writing

1150
01:04:28,120 --> 01:04:30,920
Speaker 12: the song man with the Right Rhythm. Janet came out

1151
01:04:30,960 --> 01:04:34,320
Speaker 12: with Rhythm Nation, and.

1152
01:04:34,400 --> 01:04:37,560
Speaker 6: Even when I did, uh, when I did, could I

1153
01:04:37,640 --> 01:04:40,880
Speaker 6: be dreaming? Jermaine or one of the brothers came out

1154
01:04:40,880 --> 01:04:42,400
Speaker 6: with tell Me I'm not dreaming?

1155
01:04:43,920 --> 01:04:46,920
Speaker 11: You know, keep your mouth.

1156
01:04:54,040 --> 01:05:01,720
Speaker 6: That when I was, Oh my god. John Bettison, marcou Jacko, Michael.

1157
01:05:01,440 --> 01:05:03,360
Speaker 4: Clark, human Nature.

1158
01:05:03,400 --> 01:05:09,560
Speaker 5: Yeah, that became like the women's national anthem. You know,

1159
01:05:09,640 --> 01:05:12,760
Speaker 5: I called it the American female anthem because it certainly

1160
01:05:12,800 --> 01:05:18,200
Speaker 5: speaks to today's hashtag me too, beneath the man.

1161
01:05:19,360 --> 01:05:20,120
Speaker 11: A company.

1162
01:05:39,640 --> 01:05:42,200
Speaker 16: That slower reminds me of just being a kid, and

1163
01:05:42,280 --> 01:05:44,760
Speaker 16: like hearing that on the radio and kind of like

1164
01:05:44,840 --> 01:05:46,680
Speaker 16: a kind of like a country count.

1165
01:05:49,480 --> 01:05:50,280
Speaker 4: I used to look like that.

1166
01:05:50,720 --> 01:05:53,360
Speaker 6: Nashville writers John Bettison, Michael Clark.

1167
01:05:53,200 --> 01:05:55,640
Speaker 4: Okay, yeah them. I just remember hearing that song and

1168
01:05:55,720 --> 01:05:56,840
Speaker 4: like Crystal Gale.

1169
01:05:56,680 --> 01:05:58,680
Speaker 7: And like all those that was.

1170
01:06:00,200 --> 01:06:00,680
Speaker 6: Like all the.

1171
01:06:07,120 --> 01:06:10,000
Speaker 13: But that's easy to for you to digest and accept

1172
01:06:10,080 --> 01:06:13,040
Speaker 13: other songs like the Kenny Rogers, the Dolly Partons and whatnot.

1173
01:06:15,720 --> 01:06:17,439
Speaker 6: I loved it. I thought it was a great song.

1174
01:06:17,520 --> 01:06:18,720
Speaker 6: I'm glad to sing it.

1175
01:06:21,200 --> 01:06:24,840
Speaker 1: You know what, not many people know that a lot

1176
01:06:24,920 --> 01:06:31,000
Speaker 1: of people I believe that I'm So Excited debuted on Breakout,

1177
01:06:31,680 --> 01:06:32,440
Speaker 1: not knowing that.

1178
01:06:34,200 --> 01:06:35,320
Speaker 4: Two years beforehand.

1179
01:06:35,800 --> 01:06:39,200
Speaker 7: It was I'm so excited, it was excited.

1180
01:06:39,760 --> 01:06:43,840
Speaker 4: What was what was the reasoning behind re releasing it

1181
01:06:44,720 --> 01:06:45,600
Speaker 4: for Breakout?

1182
01:06:46,080 --> 01:06:49,440
Speaker 6: I begged Richard Perry because I said, this song is

1183
01:06:49,440 --> 01:06:53,680
Speaker 6: a hit. It's a shame too much. Let this song

1184
01:06:53,760 --> 01:06:56,000
Speaker 6: go to waste, and it's a great song. And they

1185
01:06:56,120 --> 01:06:58,640
Speaker 6: just made me sick not listening to us, and they

1186
01:06:58,680 --> 01:07:00,960
Speaker 6: put it on the first album and then put out

1187
01:07:01,040 --> 01:07:04,560
Speaker 6: American Music as the single. You know, we're all patriotic

1188
01:07:04,600 --> 01:07:08,680
Speaker 6: and Hayden, yeah, I'm telling you. And then I said, David,

1189
01:07:08,800 --> 01:07:10,760
Speaker 6: come on, you know we rode with all our hearts

1190
01:07:10,800 --> 01:07:13,160
Speaker 6: and this is a great song and you can't let

1191
01:07:13,200 --> 01:07:14,840
Speaker 6: it go. We want this on the next album, and

1192
01:07:14,960 --> 01:07:16,640
Speaker 6: he did it. I didn't know. I didn't know if

1193
01:07:16,640 --> 01:07:18,120
Speaker 6: that had ever been done before, but I said, you

1194
01:07:18,200 --> 01:07:20,000
Speaker 6: got to do this. You got to save this song

1195
01:07:20,920 --> 01:07:24,600
Speaker 6: and get it back out there. It was on the

1196
01:07:24,640 --> 01:07:28,040
Speaker 6: Breakout album, it was on the So Excited album. The

1197
01:07:28,080 --> 01:07:31,720
Speaker 6: album was titled and it still wouldn't play it.

1198
01:07:31,960 --> 01:07:33,200
Speaker 11: That's ridiculous, you know.

1199
01:07:34,360 --> 01:07:35,880
Speaker 6: And then it put it on the next album and

1200
01:07:35,920 --> 01:07:37,080
Speaker 6: coming out as an instant hit.

1201
01:07:38,080 --> 01:07:43,240
Speaker 1: So you're telling me that because again, I mean, I

1202
01:07:43,320 --> 01:07:46,560
Speaker 1: was listening to black radio exclusively like when I was

1203
01:07:46,600 --> 01:07:46,880
Speaker 1: a kid.

1204
01:07:47,240 --> 01:07:48,800
Speaker 4: But it wasn't like I was taking the charts to

1205
01:07:48,840 --> 01:07:51,680
Speaker 4: the billboard, none of that stuff. But I heard it

1206
01:07:51,840 --> 01:07:52,240
Speaker 4: a lot.

1207
01:07:52,640 --> 01:07:55,320
Speaker 1: But you're saying that from your perspective in eighty two

1208
01:07:55,520 --> 01:07:59,000
Speaker 1: when it first came out on So Excited album, it

1209
01:07:59,360 --> 01:08:03,280
Speaker 1: wasn't a hit. It wasn't a hit hit like across

1210
01:08:03,360 --> 01:08:06,320
Speaker 1: the board in your eyes, or it was number is wise.

1211
01:08:06,400 --> 01:08:09,080
Speaker 6: It just wasn't right right, not until it got on

1212
01:08:09,160 --> 01:08:09,960
Speaker 6: the breakout album.

1213
01:08:11,360 --> 01:08:14,400
Speaker 1: So in your minds, unless it's a pop hit officially

1214
01:08:14,640 --> 01:08:19,920
Speaker 1: like covering all bases of the black charts and pop radio,

1215
01:08:20,479 --> 01:08:24,599
Speaker 1: then it's like, okay, it's satisfactory or well.

1216
01:08:24,479 --> 01:08:27,559
Speaker 6: When you get the numbers, the ratings from people buying

1217
01:08:27,640 --> 01:08:31,640
Speaker 6: the album, you know, that's the main way to judge it,

1218
01:08:31,720 --> 01:08:35,639
Speaker 6: I guess. And then the requests for playing your songs.

1219
01:08:36,400 --> 01:08:38,160
Speaker 6: I don't know. It's a whole different market now though,

1220
01:08:38,280 --> 01:08:43,840
Speaker 6: with Instagram and stream and music, and people don't buy it,

1221
01:08:43,920 --> 01:08:44,600
Speaker 6: they just stream it.

1222
01:08:44,880 --> 01:08:45,680
Speaker 4: And download it.

1223
01:08:45,840 --> 01:08:48,880
Speaker 7: That counts work they downloaded, and but they pay for.

1224
01:08:48,920 --> 01:08:55,600
Speaker 5: That, right, Well, that that's One of the things that

1225
01:08:56,280 --> 01:08:59,880
Speaker 5: David mentioned too, is that it was alternative radio that

1226
01:09:00,479 --> 01:09:04,080
Speaker 5: really promoted the point of Sisters early because black radio

1227
01:09:04,240 --> 01:09:07,200
Speaker 5: wasn't playing them, and they still have problems playing the

1228
01:09:07,240 --> 01:09:13,280
Speaker 5: point of Sisters for whatever. I don't know. At least they.

1229
01:09:13,240 --> 01:09:15,080
Speaker 7: Can't get don't hear nothing.

1230
01:09:18,840 --> 01:09:20,920
Speaker 4: They was definitely playing I'm So Excited on w.

1231
01:09:21,040 --> 01:09:24,160
Speaker 10: D S and Philly, So those two, at least I'm

1232
01:09:24,200 --> 01:09:25,720
Speaker 10: so excited I.

1233
01:09:25,720 --> 01:09:28,799
Speaker 4: Would jump that was excited.

1234
01:09:29,800 --> 01:09:32,840
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, I mean Breakout was just short of thriller.

1235
01:09:32,920 --> 01:09:36,320
Speaker 1: They had seven singles on it. So were you shocked

1236
01:09:36,479 --> 01:09:42,920
Speaker 1: at the at the mass excepstance of Breakout the album

1237
01:09:43,120 --> 01:09:44,120
Speaker 1: and how.

1238
01:09:44,439 --> 01:09:49,200
Speaker 6: Shocked and thrilled? Happy, just elated? Yeah, it was wonderful

1239
01:09:49,320 --> 01:09:52,879
Speaker 6: to have an album go triple platinum.

1240
01:09:54,320 --> 01:09:59,479
Speaker 4: So we had Ali Willis on our show, have Anita

1241
01:09:59,520 --> 01:09:59,880
Speaker 4: pointer or.

1242
01:10:13,680 --> 01:10:16,559
Speaker 11: Okay, so we heard or.

1243
01:10:16,600 --> 01:10:20,080
Speaker 1: She explained to this that that song almost didn't make

1244
01:10:21,080 --> 01:10:23,800
Speaker 1: Beverly Hills cop Like the way that was discovered by

1245
01:10:23,840 --> 01:10:25,719
Speaker 1: the producers was kind of an accident.

1246
01:10:27,280 --> 01:10:31,240
Speaker 4: Yeah, were you guys are aware of how it was

1247
01:10:31,280 --> 01:10:33,160
Speaker 4: added last minute? Like by accident?

1248
01:10:34,479 --> 01:10:36,640
Speaker 6: Somewhat? I don't. I don't remember the whole story, but

1249
01:10:36,680 --> 01:10:40,560
Speaker 6: I remember there being some conflict with the lyric and

1250
01:10:41,320 --> 01:10:45,880
Speaker 6: thinking of neutron bombs and you know, yeah song about

1251
01:10:45,920 --> 01:11:00,720
Speaker 6: war and some people. I'm so happy, she said, yes,

1252
01:11:00,800 --> 01:11:01,080
Speaker 6: it is.

1253
01:11:01,240 --> 01:11:03,280
Speaker 5: I think there's some deep irony in there, though she's

1254
01:11:03,360 --> 01:11:07,080
Speaker 5: been very sarcastic, deeply sardonic. I mean, it's not just

1255
01:11:07,240 --> 01:11:09,559
Speaker 5: you know, she's she's really saying, you know, you really

1256
01:11:09,800 --> 01:11:11,479
Speaker 5: just put where you want the world to go? Can

1257
01:11:11,560 --> 01:11:13,000
Speaker 5: you can you really you know, deal with.

1258
01:11:13,080 --> 01:11:16,320
Speaker 6: I don't want to take it anymore exactly, I'll stay

1259
01:11:16,360 --> 01:11:19,879
Speaker 6: here locked behind the door, right, so it has stop.

1260
01:11:19,720 --> 01:11:22,200
Speaker 4: And get away where it is now, I can't separate

1261
01:11:22,280 --> 01:11:23,679
Speaker 4: it from a truck chase.

1262
01:11:23,760 --> 01:11:33,040
Speaker 9: And I also said somebody actually stole tried to steal

1263
01:11:33,080 --> 01:11:34,000
Speaker 9: her brand new Chevrolet.

1264
01:11:35,160 --> 01:11:36,679
Speaker 5: That's right, that's the lyric.

1265
01:11:36,880 --> 01:11:41,360
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, and the redom I have no.

1266
01:11:45,479 --> 01:11:46,320
Speaker 11: Yeah, that was good.

1267
01:11:46,760 --> 01:11:49,479
Speaker 4: We go back to uh, the So Excited album for

1268
01:11:49,520 --> 01:11:49,840
Speaker 4: a second.

1269
01:11:50,560 --> 01:11:53,040
Speaker 9: Huh Yeah, go ahead, You guys covered one of my

1270
01:11:53,080 --> 01:11:55,600
Speaker 9: favorite songs in that record, Princess, I Feel for You?

1271
01:11:56,520 --> 01:11:57,639
Speaker 4: Where did that I do from?

1272
01:11:57,760 --> 01:11:57,800
Speaker 11: You?

1273
01:11:57,840 --> 01:11:58,040
Speaker 4: Guys?

1274
01:11:58,160 --> 01:12:01,120
Speaker 6: Cover that from Richard Pry He brought it to us

1275
01:12:01,200 --> 01:12:03,320
Speaker 6: and we love Prince. Prince had come into the studio

1276
01:12:03,479 --> 01:12:08,920
Speaker 6: too to watch us record one time, and and so uh,

1277
01:12:10,560 --> 01:12:12,680
Speaker 6: he invited us to come to Paisley Park and do

1278
01:12:12,800 --> 01:12:14,800
Speaker 6: it there. And that's what we did. What we did.

1279
01:12:15,240 --> 01:12:19,960
Speaker 6: What was that Like he had all his his factory

1280
01:12:20,080 --> 01:12:24,000
Speaker 6: upstairs where they made all his clothes, close, shoes, everything

1281
01:12:24,040 --> 01:12:27,320
Speaker 6: to match. And and he had like a cave area

1282
01:12:27,439 --> 01:12:33,080
Speaker 6: where he had the purple Rain motorcycle. And it was

1283
01:12:33,120 --> 01:12:35,559
Speaker 6: a whole big room there with pillows on the floor.

1284
01:12:35,800 --> 01:12:37,639
Speaker 6: I'm just trying to envision it. I haven't been back

1285
01:12:37,840 --> 01:12:42,680
Speaker 6: so long. With pillows on the floor and and you know, silk.

1286
01:12:42,400 --> 01:12:45,360
Speaker 4: On the walls, and and the eyes watching you.

1287
01:12:45,479 --> 01:12:50,559
Speaker 1: From the painting, there's too many murals of his face

1288
01:12:50,640 --> 01:12:52,720
Speaker 1: with the eyes watching that.

1289
01:12:52,960 --> 01:12:55,479
Speaker 9: It was like the Three Stooges, like like you walk

1290
01:12:55,520 --> 01:13:01,800
Speaker 9: one way. And after they did the big remodel for

1291
01:13:01,920 --> 01:13:05,639
Speaker 9: the for the kids, Well, no, I went before and after.

1292
01:13:05,840 --> 01:13:06,479
Speaker 4: Oh, but I thought the.

1293
01:13:06,479 --> 01:13:08,679
Speaker 9: Eyes went up there until after they after they remodeled,

1294
01:13:08,720 --> 01:13:10,120
Speaker 9: Well in two thousand was that?

1295
01:13:10,479 --> 01:13:12,240
Speaker 4: That was after ninety six is when they remodeled.

1296
01:13:12,479 --> 01:13:14,960
Speaker 6: Oh, yeah, we were there before that.

1297
01:13:16,080 --> 01:13:20,759
Speaker 4: Eyes were watching, watching, eyes were definitely watching.

1298
01:13:21,720 --> 01:13:22,400
Speaker 6: Yeah.

1299
01:13:26,960 --> 01:13:32,360
Speaker 1: With breakout, Uh, you know, it's it's just unprecedented that

1300
01:13:32,640 --> 01:13:35,040
Speaker 1: six album, six singles from one album.

1301
01:13:35,680 --> 01:13:41,800
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I'm short of thriller. That's this is unprecedented. Then,

1302
01:13:41,960 --> 01:13:45,080
Speaker 4: Like what was it? What was the label's reaction to

1303
01:13:45,120 --> 01:13:50,240
Speaker 4: you guys as far as like were you there? Priority?

1304
01:13:50,360 --> 01:13:51,000
Speaker 5: Were you there?

1305
01:13:56,400 --> 01:13:57,000
Speaker 6: They were happy?

1306
01:13:59,200 --> 01:14:00,200
Speaker 11: That sounds happy.

1307
01:14:05,200 --> 01:14:07,479
Speaker 16: We got by that time, I mean, having such a

1308
01:14:07,560 --> 01:14:11,000
Speaker 16: huge record, where was the biggest source of income coming from.

1309
01:14:13,720 --> 01:14:16,439
Speaker 4: Records? And did the tour money go up?

1310
01:14:16,640 --> 01:14:19,960
Speaker 11: Like you got to hit that help the tour money up?

1311
01:14:20,760 --> 01:14:25,960
Speaker 6: Yeah, we got good tourings and and as the years

1312
01:14:26,040 --> 01:14:28,720
Speaker 6: go up, the publishing gets better.

1313
01:14:30,800 --> 01:14:31,000
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1314
01:14:31,080 --> 01:14:33,120
Speaker 1: I've seen you guys twice doing that period. That was

1315
01:14:33,200 --> 01:14:37,160
Speaker 1: like the only non Jackson's Prince show that I've ever seen.

1316
01:14:38,560 --> 01:14:42,440
Speaker 1: So you guys once at a Universal Amphitheater.

1317
01:14:43,080 --> 01:14:45,760
Speaker 6: Yeah was that line over?

1318
01:14:46,960 --> 01:14:49,719
Speaker 1: Uh no, the year after you guys were at Universal

1319
01:14:49,760 --> 01:14:50,960
Speaker 1: Amphitheater by yourself.

1320
01:14:54,360 --> 01:14:55,559
Speaker 4: All I remember is, uh.

1321
01:14:57,840 --> 01:15:00,080
Speaker 1: Was June came out in a crazy outfit to do

1322
01:15:00,160 --> 01:15:01,960
Speaker 1: our solo song about the piano or something.

1323
01:15:02,120 --> 01:15:05,240
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, like give me a fucking break, guys, Like

1324
01:15:05,320 --> 01:15:09,799
Speaker 4: it was. She had great common time.

1325
01:15:12,880 --> 01:15:15,280
Speaker 6: As he did that doctor doctor bit on stage. I

1326
01:15:15,280 --> 01:15:17,320
Speaker 6: don't know if that was the one dressed like a

1327
01:15:17,400 --> 01:15:19,880
Speaker 6: nurse and piano and.

1328
01:15:22,240 --> 01:15:28,360
Speaker 1: Hey, are you guys aware of Jeremy's second life in

1329
01:15:28,520 --> 01:15:30,599
Speaker 1: the sort of the euro d M world.

1330
01:15:31,479 --> 01:15:33,519
Speaker 6: No tell me about the baby making.

1331
01:15:35,640 --> 01:15:41,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, like it's yeah, it's it's sort of uh, how

1332
01:15:41,720 --> 01:15:45,040
Speaker 1: can I describe it? Like, uh, I forget, I don't

1333
01:15:45,040 --> 01:15:48,600
Speaker 1: know if it's skrillics or like someone that's big in

1334
01:15:48,640 --> 01:15:52,320
Speaker 1: the dum world, the electric electric dance, music dance and

1335
01:15:52,439 --> 01:15:56,519
Speaker 1: music world sort of like kind of took there me

1336
01:15:56,640 --> 01:16:00,000
Speaker 1: and sort of remade it. And it's it's weird because

1337
01:16:00,040 --> 01:16:03,040
Speaker 1: when I spend the original in clubs now, like the

1338
01:16:03,160 --> 01:16:05,679
Speaker 1: audience store, like, and then when I get to the hooks,

1339
01:16:05,680 --> 01:16:08,920
Speaker 1: they're like, oh shit, you know, like they get where

1340
01:16:08,920 --> 01:16:10,439
Speaker 1: it comes from. Like it's a it's a it's a

1341
01:16:10,479 --> 01:16:12,200
Speaker 1: big sample in the medium world.

1342
01:16:13,040 --> 01:16:16,080
Speaker 11: I didn't know that. So or is it?

1343
01:16:16,600 --> 01:16:16,800
Speaker 4: Oh?

1344
01:16:17,120 --> 01:16:17,320
Speaker 6: Good?

1345
01:16:17,439 --> 01:16:21,559
Speaker 4: So? Is that? Is that still in the current lineup?

1346
01:16:21,560 --> 01:16:23,320
Speaker 4: As far as your songs? Like that you do now?

1347
01:16:23,439 --> 01:16:25,200
Speaker 4: Or is it? Do you do? Dear me?

1348
01:16:25,439 --> 01:16:26,000
Speaker 7: Well, I don't.

1349
01:16:26,520 --> 01:16:27,679
Speaker 6: I'm not on the road anymore.

1350
01:16:28,120 --> 01:16:31,200
Speaker 4: Oh, I didn't know it not till this morning.

1351
01:16:34,360 --> 01:16:38,040
Speaker 6: Ruth, my sister, Ruth and her daughter and her granddaughter

1352
01:16:38,160 --> 01:16:44,360
Speaker 6: Sedaco are traveling as the new the new point. Okay,

1353
01:16:45,080 --> 01:16:47,120
Speaker 6: and I retired in twenty fifteen.

1354
01:16:47,960 --> 01:16:50,760
Speaker 5: I'm enjoying it and start working on this book.

1355
01:16:50,880 --> 01:16:54,960
Speaker 6: Start working on the book, and your exhibition another working

1356
01:16:55,720 --> 01:16:56,360
Speaker 6: Champagne King and.

1357
01:16:56,360 --> 01:16:59,439
Speaker 4: People like, oh man, how was she doing? How was

1358
01:16:59,479 --> 01:16:59,960
Speaker 4: Evelyn doing?

1359
01:17:00,240 --> 01:17:00,479
Speaker 11: Great?

1360
01:17:00,680 --> 01:17:00,880
Speaker 4: Good?

1361
01:17:01,040 --> 01:17:05,880
Speaker 12: Yeah, I deal with you know, Fandelais and a lot

1362
01:17:05,960 --> 01:17:10,200
Speaker 12: of the old rock and rosters and disco shall I

1363
01:17:10,280 --> 01:17:12,720
Speaker 12: say disco stars mm hmm yeah.

1364
01:17:14,040 --> 01:17:17,640
Speaker 4: I also I'll say that I also believe that.

1365
01:17:19,800 --> 01:17:21,800
Speaker 1: You guys deserve to be in the Rock and Roll

1366
01:17:21,840 --> 01:17:22,280
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame.

1367
01:17:22,960 --> 01:17:29,840
Speaker 4: I do, and they would, you know, from my mouth

1368
01:17:29,960 --> 01:17:34,760
Speaker 4: to their ears, right right right, that should happen. So

1369
01:17:34,880 --> 01:17:36,560
Speaker 4: the book comes out in February.

1370
01:17:36,240 --> 01:17:39,400
Speaker 5: Comes out in February. Yeah, we're just so excited about that.

1371
01:17:39,560 --> 01:17:42,400
Speaker 5: We're going to have books signing up in Oakland. And

1372
01:17:42,479 --> 01:17:45,160
Speaker 5: Anita's working on another book of exhibitions. She's been saving

1373
01:17:45,240 --> 01:17:49,280
Speaker 5: their costumes for the last what thirty years, and she's

1374
01:17:49,360 --> 01:17:52,360
Speaker 5: got all of them. She has all of them, and

1375
01:17:52,479 --> 01:17:54,600
Speaker 5: she's now created a book because she's sorry. Up to

1376
01:17:54,680 --> 01:17:57,800
Speaker 5: ninety person told me over one hundred pages now of

1377
01:17:57,920 --> 01:17:59,120
Speaker 5: costumes that they want to do.

1378
01:17:59,280 --> 01:18:01,760
Speaker 6: This is a many we have a big book. That's

1379
01:18:01,960 --> 01:18:03,760
Speaker 6: that just gives you a few of the things that

1380
01:18:03,920 --> 01:18:04,160
Speaker 6: we have.

1381
01:18:05,400 --> 01:18:08,479
Speaker 4: But how are you whoa you do?

1382
01:18:09,200 --> 01:18:14,040
Speaker 1: Okay, this is official how to our listeners out there.

1383
01:18:14,080 --> 01:18:16,880
Speaker 1: I'm looking at uh a miniature book the size of

1384
01:18:16,880 --> 01:18:21,599
Speaker 1: a CD booklet of all their how were you able

1385
01:18:21,640 --> 01:18:22,120
Speaker 1: to preserve?

1386
01:18:22,400 --> 01:18:25,719
Speaker 11: And in her garage?

1387
01:18:29,920 --> 01:18:30,120
Speaker 6: Those?

1388
01:18:31,320 --> 01:18:33,160
Speaker 5: But there there were for.

1389
01:18:35,479 --> 01:18:40,280
Speaker 6: They're in their Bob Mackie the first designer, and then

1390
01:18:40,439 --> 01:18:46,439
Speaker 6: Bob Long from Australia.

1391
01:18:46,520 --> 01:18:48,840
Speaker 4: Like with your designer seeking you guys out will you might.

1392
01:18:48,760 --> 01:18:51,760
Speaker 6: Be Long designed for all the New York plays and

1393
01:18:51,920 --> 01:18:55,840
Speaker 6: things and he's really great and we are gonna it's

1394
01:18:55,840 --> 01:18:59,639
Speaker 6: going to be digital, so you can go on, we'll

1395
01:18:59,680 --> 01:19:02,440
Speaker 6: go the music, will send it out to the museums

1396
01:19:03,720 --> 01:19:06,320
Speaker 6: we went and looked at today. Can get the password

1397
01:19:06,439 --> 01:19:10,640
Speaker 6: to enter the book online so we can let them

1398
01:19:10,680 --> 01:19:16,240
Speaker 6: see what we have clothes in the museum and you know, yes.

1399
01:19:18,600 --> 01:19:22,040
Speaker 1: Actually yeah, we have a Are you guys aware of

1400
01:19:22,120 --> 01:19:24,880
Speaker 1: the well I keep called the Black Son That's what

1401
01:19:25,040 --> 01:19:25,400
Speaker 1: I call it.

1402
01:19:25,920 --> 01:19:28,760
Speaker 4: It is the Black in d C.

1403
01:19:29,560 --> 01:19:33,599
Speaker 5: Yes, you went there, We're in there and there there Okay,

1404
01:19:33,920 --> 01:19:35,160
Speaker 5: we want.

1405
01:19:35,520 --> 01:19:37,200
Speaker 6: More in there? Do you want someone there that we

1406
01:19:37,240 --> 01:19:38,120
Speaker 6: can get us some stuff.

1407
01:19:39,120 --> 01:19:40,080
Speaker 4: We have a hook up for you.

1408
01:19:45,800 --> 01:19:46,479
Speaker 5: VM you hear it.

1409
01:19:50,800 --> 01:19:53,680
Speaker 11: I know blank in there, I know the banks.

1410
01:19:55,880 --> 01:19:59,400
Speaker 4: How many children is it? Did you guys have like

1411
01:19:59,680 --> 01:20:01,400
Speaker 4: the for the next generation.

1412
01:20:01,240 --> 01:20:05,280
Speaker 6: The next Uh? Well, Fritz has four.

1413
01:20:05,560 --> 01:20:06,200
Speaker 11: I'm barren.

1414
01:20:09,320 --> 01:20:13,679
Speaker 6: I have one my daughters. Sorry to say, my daughter

1415
01:20:13,800 --> 01:20:18,040
Speaker 6: died in two thousand and three and that kind of

1416
01:20:18,160 --> 01:20:21,000
Speaker 6: killed me. That's why I slowly just had to stop.

1417
01:20:21,720 --> 01:20:23,799
Speaker 6: You had to stop going on the road and singing.

1418
01:20:23,960 --> 01:20:26,439
Speaker 5: And her only child child.

1419
01:20:26,960 --> 01:20:28,760
Speaker 11: So it's not getting.

1420
01:20:31,320 --> 01:20:35,080
Speaker 6: It's very hard. I don't on anyone. It's the worst

1421
01:20:35,120 --> 01:20:39,839
Speaker 6: thing ever. I'll never get over it. It's just terrible.

1422
01:20:40,320 --> 01:20:41,719
Speaker 11: Now, let's go and move on to happier.

1423
01:20:42,080 --> 01:20:49,680
Speaker 6: Yeahs. And our older brother Aaron.

1424
01:20:49,479 --> 01:20:54,200
Speaker 5: Has four three four four three or four four.

1425
01:20:54,120 --> 01:20:58,960
Speaker 6: Barbarice and you have Barb I have four and two sons. Yeah,

1426
01:20:59,000 --> 01:20:59,400
Speaker 6: here's four.

1427
01:20:59,520 --> 01:21:01,160
Speaker 4: You have off.

1428
01:21:02,240 --> 01:21:03,880
Speaker 6: You know, we've never had a family reunion.

1429
01:21:04,200 --> 01:21:06,280
Speaker 5: What never?

1430
01:21:06,960 --> 01:21:09,679
Speaker 4: We have enough we have we're going to change.

1431
01:21:09,720 --> 01:21:12,519
Speaker 6: When we were kids in Oakland and our im we're

1432
01:21:12,560 --> 01:21:15,200
Speaker 6: coming over and barbecue and all the family would be there.

1433
01:21:15,240 --> 01:21:18,479
Speaker 6: That'd be like our family reunion. And that was all

1434
01:21:18,600 --> 01:21:21,080
Speaker 6: the time we lived together. The green T shirts, the

1435
01:21:21,280 --> 01:21:25,360
Speaker 6: lives we lived up there exactly.

1436
01:21:25,920 --> 01:21:28,080
Speaker 13: Y'all know that family has expanded and folks don't know

1437
01:21:28,240 --> 01:21:30,240
Speaker 13: each other. We are at that point in our family

1438
01:21:30,320 --> 01:21:32,320
Speaker 13: now where it's like, okay, let's travel to see family.

1439
01:21:32,600 --> 01:21:34,320
Speaker 10: Make up the West.

1440
01:21:34,160 --> 01:21:37,360
Speaker 11: Coast half of the people and there are.

1441
01:21:39,920 --> 01:21:42,760
Speaker 6: People want people related.

1442
01:21:45,320 --> 01:21:47,639
Speaker 11: And they go something pointer, and I go, what that's

1443
01:21:47,720 --> 01:21:49,680
Speaker 11: your family? Who are they right?

1444
01:21:50,560 --> 01:21:54,000
Speaker 1: The majority of the majority of the family in Oakland

1445
01:21:54,080 --> 01:21:55,479
Speaker 1: still or are you guys.

1446
01:21:55,240 --> 01:21:56,920
Speaker 5: Spread Oh, we're spread out now.

1447
01:21:59,400 --> 01:21:59,879
Speaker 6: To Oakland.

1448
01:22:00,520 --> 01:22:03,920
Speaker 5: My brother's Tacoma. My brother is, he's been there for

1449
01:22:04,120 --> 01:22:05,280
Speaker 5: twenty five thirty years.

1450
01:22:06,760 --> 01:22:09,439
Speaker 4: Kids they want to do music as well? Or are

1451
01:22:09,479 --> 01:22:10,240
Speaker 4: they working on music?

1452
01:22:10,960 --> 01:22:14,519
Speaker 5: I have a son who studying building a studio into music.

1453
01:22:14,720 --> 01:22:17,240
Speaker 5: My son is yeah, but that's the only one that

1454
01:22:17,479 --> 01:22:18,320
Speaker 5: we know of right now.

1455
01:22:18,680 --> 01:22:20,919
Speaker 11: There are different aspects of My granddaughter.

1456
01:22:21,080 --> 01:22:25,800
Speaker 6: Roxy does music. Yes, that's my granddaughter, and she does music.

1457
01:22:28,000 --> 01:22:31,400
Speaker 6: He's got hundreds of incredible tracks. And I'm telling her,

1458
01:22:32,439 --> 01:22:39,880
Speaker 6: my chop liver, can I sing yourself? She says, she's

1459
01:22:39,960 --> 01:22:42,080
Speaker 6: working on this, the right thing she wants me to do.

1460
01:22:43,240 --> 01:22:44,360
Speaker 4: It's a gam for your grandma.

1461
01:22:50,400 --> 01:22:52,439
Speaker 12: I will go bust the room and join them all

1462
01:22:52,479 --> 01:22:54,280
Speaker 12: over they've been working on some great stuff.

1463
01:22:54,479 --> 01:22:58,040
Speaker 6: Alan Alvin is a rapper and he is I love

1464
01:22:58,120 --> 01:22:59,160
Speaker 6: his rapping, don't you love it?

1465
01:22:59,200 --> 01:22:59,479
Speaker 11: I love it?

1466
01:22:59,600 --> 01:23:03,479
Speaker 6: And something doing some great stuff. I'm proud of this.

1467
01:23:03,760 --> 01:23:10,479
Speaker 1: There's one proud of there's one I forgot. What was

1468
01:23:10,520 --> 01:23:12,639
Speaker 1: it like being a part of USA for Africa?

1469
01:23:13,880 --> 01:23:14,680
Speaker 4: We are the world? Night?

1470
01:23:14,840 --> 01:23:18,720
Speaker 6: Oh god, what tonight. We had just come from the

1471
01:23:18,960 --> 01:23:21,080
Speaker 6: I think the am A Awards and went to the

1472
01:23:21,160 --> 01:23:26,040
Speaker 6: studio and I was in awe. Everybody top secret like

1473
01:23:26,880 --> 01:23:28,400
Speaker 6: the famous people.

1474
01:23:31,600 --> 01:23:33,640
Speaker 4: Found out about it, and was the top secret like

1475
01:23:33,760 --> 01:23:34,559
Speaker 4: we found out like.

1476
01:23:34,640 --> 01:23:37,560
Speaker 6: The day before because they sent us sheet music and

1477
01:23:37,680 --> 01:23:40,880
Speaker 6: a cassette and having the frame.

1478
01:23:43,960 --> 01:23:46,400
Speaker 9: Princey's house and he has the lead sheet framed on it.

1479
01:23:47,880 --> 01:23:50,720
Speaker 6: I got a lead with everybody. I went around that

1480
01:23:50,920 --> 01:23:55,120
Speaker 6: night and made everybody designed my music and I got

1481
01:23:55,720 --> 01:23:56,080
Speaker 6: my frame.

1482
01:23:57,479 --> 01:23:58,920
Speaker 4: D of intimidated by anybody that was.

1483
01:23:58,920 --> 01:24:02,560
Speaker 11: In the room or you guys, like everybody everybody was

1484
01:24:02,640 --> 01:24:05,559
Speaker 11: like you, oh my god, Oh my god.

1485
01:24:11,360 --> 01:24:20,719
Speaker 12: Michael Jackson, you want to Linel Richie, Yes, wonderful, Yeah,

1486
01:24:21,200 --> 01:24:21,839
Speaker 12: bet Middler.

1487
01:24:22,479 --> 01:24:29,840
Speaker 6: Else was there? Uh no, well, chi LEI was there.

1488
01:24:29,920 --> 01:24:33,760
Speaker 11: I think that's Oakland too, r that's Oakland.

1489
01:24:33,840 --> 01:24:39,400
Speaker 6: And LaToya Jackson was like, right beside me, Turner, Turner,

1490
01:24:42,880 --> 01:24:46,439
Speaker 6: that was a wonderful, wonderful night. I mean we got

1491
01:24:46,479 --> 01:24:50,599
Speaker 6: out of there. The sun was coming up there all night.

1492
01:24:50,960 --> 01:24:54,320
Speaker 4: Did you have any experiences with Aretha while she was alive?

1493
01:24:55,240 --> 01:24:59,200
Speaker 5: No, Well, Ruth, Ruth had some competition with area Dennis Edwards.

1494
01:25:09,240 --> 01:25:11,240
Speaker 5: In fact, in fact, her daughter.

1495
01:25:12,640 --> 01:25:12,960
Speaker 11: Edwards.

1496
01:25:13,040 --> 01:25:16,640
Speaker 5: Wow, there singing with her. Her daughter who singing with

1497
01:25:16,760 --> 01:25:19,080
Speaker 5: her is product of Ruth and Dennis.

1498
01:25:18,920 --> 01:25:22,240
Speaker 6: Edwards, and she and Maria were dating. Dennis like, oh

1499
01:25:22,360 --> 01:25:23,720
Speaker 6: yeah the same time.

1500
01:25:26,760 --> 01:25:27,040
Speaker 12: Wow.

1501
01:25:29,040 --> 01:25:33,679
Speaker 4: Wow, I'm so frozen. I don't even do myself. I'm

1502
01:25:33,720 --> 01:25:34,760
Speaker 4: doing my sound right now.

1503
01:25:37,880 --> 01:25:39,600
Speaker 11: Too much information, baby.

1504
01:25:43,720 --> 01:25:47,640
Speaker 1: Well you know I have to say that enough, can I?

1505
01:25:47,800 --> 01:25:52,320
Speaker 1: This is a pleasant, pleasant surprise. Again, Bonnie is such

1506
01:25:52,360 --> 01:25:56,160
Speaker 1: a fan in the my viewers for the longest. So

1507
01:25:56,240 --> 01:25:58,920
Speaker 1: I'm glad to finally met you. I never thought I

1508
01:25:58,960 --> 01:26:03,720
Speaker 1: wouldn't you ever. Thank you the same for you your

1509
01:26:03,760 --> 01:26:07,519
Speaker 1: whole family. And again, yes, rock and roll Hall of Fame, I.

1510
01:26:09,240 --> 01:26:09,560
Speaker 11: Gotta be.

1511
01:26:12,479 --> 01:26:21,240
Speaker 6: We've got a star on the Hollywood and welcome fan Arkansas,

1512
01:26:21,520 --> 01:26:22,559
Speaker 6: Black Hall of Fame.

1513
01:26:29,280 --> 01:26:34,720
Speaker 11: Everything, it don't matter, yes, it doesn't matter.

1514
01:26:37,479 --> 01:26:39,840
Speaker 4: I just want to say that something I said earlier today.

1515
01:26:40,120 --> 01:26:42,160
Speaker 4: You guys were in my childhood.

1516
01:26:41,800 --> 01:26:43,640
Speaker 9: And every time I listen to your music, I'm just

1517
01:26:43,680 --> 01:26:45,720
Speaker 9: taking back to such a wonderful place and time in

1518
01:26:45,760 --> 01:26:48,519
Speaker 9: my life. Wonder just to be sitting across from you

1519
01:26:48,560 --> 01:26:50,120
Speaker 9: guys like beside my.

1520
01:26:52,680 --> 01:26:53,280
Speaker 4: Kicking out here.

1521
01:26:56,479 --> 01:27:00,640
Speaker 6: We see we talked you well. I see that T

1522
01:27:00,800 --> 01:27:05,479
Speaker 6: shirt you have on. You got a lot of good

1523
01:27:05,520 --> 01:27:06,639
Speaker 6: information from the morning.

1524
01:27:07,320 --> 01:27:11,160
Speaker 16: One question before before we break Mays was she an

1525
01:27:11,200 --> 01:27:13,160
Speaker 16: influence lord?

1526
01:27:13,280 --> 01:27:14,840
Speaker 6: Yeah, we were listening to a song we were doing

1527
01:27:14,920 --> 01:27:18,880
Speaker 6: We did Respect Yourself, Yes, in Vegas, and Fritz brought

1528
01:27:18,960 --> 01:27:21,080
Speaker 6: up a CD and played it. We played it last

1529
01:27:21,160 --> 01:27:26,679
Speaker 6: night with us singing in Vegas at Caesar's Palace singing

1530
01:27:26,960 --> 01:27:37,240
Speaker 6: Respect Yourself. Maybe we were on the road, but yeah.

1531
01:27:37,240 --> 01:27:39,840
Speaker 6: And Prince was very good friends with May Staples and

1532
01:27:40,120 --> 01:27:42,120
Speaker 6: we had some fun fun times together.

1533
01:27:43,520 --> 01:27:43,720
Speaker 11: Yeah.

1534
01:27:45,680 --> 01:27:47,719
Speaker 6: And I was also the friends with with Purpose.

1535
01:27:48,080 --> 01:27:53,080
Speaker 7: He was a differend of mine. He would go to

1536
01:27:53,160 --> 01:27:53,599
Speaker 7: those night.

1537
01:27:53,520 --> 01:27:55,680
Speaker 6: Clubs and you go in there. Oh my god, this

1538
01:27:55,840 --> 01:27:58,360
Speaker 6: is a gun sitting right there on the desk.

1539
01:28:00,840 --> 01:28:02,200
Speaker 5: Where we have sound check.

1540
01:28:03,640 --> 01:28:09,479
Speaker 4: Wow, okay, I just got one of the silhouettes from that.

1541
01:28:10,000 --> 01:28:13,320
Speaker 11: You know that is that's a tattoo. I look on

1542
01:28:13,400 --> 01:28:14,439
Speaker 11: the back and the tattoos.

1543
01:28:16,560 --> 01:28:18,400
Speaker 4: You gotta be like a SoundCloud rapper. Put it on

1544
01:28:18,479 --> 01:28:29,120
Speaker 4: your face. Yes, thank you so much. I appreciate it.

1545
01:28:29,200 --> 01:28:31,040
Speaker 4: Thank you for coming on the show today.

1546
01:28:32,640 --> 01:28:32,800
Speaker 13: Much.

1547
01:28:35,040 --> 01:28:35,560
Speaker 5: I love it.

1548
01:28:38,320 --> 01:28:43,519
Speaker 1: Team Supreme and the Porn Sisters and brother Fritz. Like

1549
01:28:43,640 --> 01:28:45,200
Speaker 1: every English professor, I had.

1550
01:28:47,360 --> 01:28:48,960
Speaker 4: What you said? What was what you said? It was?

1551
01:28:49,200 --> 01:28:50,960
Speaker 4: It was? What was the words you used?

1552
01:28:51,360 --> 01:28:53,000
Speaker 7: She had got some words.

1553
01:29:00,080 --> 01:29:03,040
Speaker 13: You can't English as well as African American studies.

1554
01:29:05,040 --> 01:29:06,960
Speaker 18: You know you gotta peop. He got the sky and

1555
01:29:07,040 --> 01:29:08,880
Speaker 18: he got on the grip. He got on the grill

1556
01:29:08,920 --> 01:29:15,920
Speaker 18: and sandals, yes like you cancuse you on the grill?

1557
01:29:23,600 --> 01:29:24,519
Speaker 5: What frist was about?

1558
01:29:34,240 --> 01:29:40,559
Speaker 11: Show me a little necklace, some tattoo. Tattoo point Nicholas, get.

1559
01:29:40,760 --> 01:29:41,320
Speaker 4: You got one.

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Speaker 6: On the free.

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Speaker 5: Had you got to get a hat sometimes.

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Speaker 10: Like your brass bangle toih.

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Speaker 5: That's from the towering people in West.

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Speaker 11: How do you like my bangle? What does it say?

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Speaker 10: I could just see them glasses.

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Speaker 11: It says fall risk a risk.

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Speaker 4: This is What's Love Supreme only on Pandora. We will

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Speaker 4: see you next go around.

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Speaker 5: Thank you.

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Speaker 1: What's Love Supreme is a production of My Heart Radio.

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Speaker 1: This classic episode was produced by the team at Pandora.

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Speaker 1: For more podcasts from iHeart Radio, visit the iHeart Radio app,

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