1 00:00:05,600 --> 00:00:12,119 Speaker 1: This is straight fire with Jason McIntyre. What is a 2 00:00:12,280 --> 00:00:16,400 Speaker 1: straight fire fan it to me? Jason McIntyre, straight fire 3 00:00:17,200 --> 00:00:22,759 Speaker 1: for Thursday, August fourth, and Uh, I survived a procedure 4 00:00:22,760 --> 00:00:26,799 Speaker 1: in the hospital that I obviously overblew significantly. I definitely 5 00:00:26,840 --> 00:00:28,960 Speaker 1: made a mountain out of a mole hill. I'll talk 6 00:00:29,000 --> 00:00:30,840 Speaker 1: about it in a quick second, but I do want 7 00:00:30,840 --> 00:00:33,800 Speaker 1: to um tease our guests today because of what happened 8 00:00:33,840 --> 00:00:36,559 Speaker 1: in the NFL on Wednesday. I was under anesthesia at 9 00:00:36,560 --> 00:00:39,239 Speaker 1: the time, but I quickly a wroke from it, and 10 00:00:39,440 --> 00:00:43,159 Speaker 1: UH saw that the NFL is going to appeal the 11 00:00:43,240 --> 00:00:48,519 Speaker 1: Deshaun Watson suspension. Listen, this is a tricky discussion. I 12 00:00:48,600 --> 00:00:51,360 Speaker 1: want to get a little upset about it. I have 13 00:00:51,479 --> 00:00:55,319 Speaker 1: chosen not to UM. I do believe our guests will 14 00:00:55,320 --> 00:00:57,480 Speaker 1: shed more light on it that I could, because he 15 00:00:57,600 --> 00:01:01,960 Speaker 1: is a lawyer, Dan Luss sports attorney, really strong UM 16 00:01:02,200 --> 00:01:05,840 Speaker 1: background in law, and I think he's gonna help you 17 00:01:05,880 --> 00:01:07,720 Speaker 1: guys understand what the hell is going on here because 18 00:01:07,720 --> 00:01:10,199 Speaker 1: there are a lot of questions. And I'll just remind 19 00:01:10,200 --> 00:01:12,280 Speaker 1: people before they listen, even if you're sick of the 20 00:01:12,360 --> 00:01:15,840 Speaker 1: Shawn Watson stuff. The two things that matter most here, 21 00:01:15,880 --> 00:01:21,640 Speaker 1: at least to me, is when Watson's cases went before 22 00:01:21,640 --> 00:01:24,880 Speaker 1: a grand jury, two different grand juries said there was 23 00:01:25,080 --> 00:01:29,000 Speaker 1: not enough evidence for criminal charges, two different ones. The 24 00:01:29,120 --> 00:01:31,840 Speaker 1: NFL though, said oh, well, I think we gotta go 25 00:01:31,920 --> 00:01:35,559 Speaker 1: six games suspension, and now Roger Goodell is saying, well, 26 00:01:36,240 --> 00:01:38,600 Speaker 1: that's just not enough. I think we gotta go ten, twelve, 27 00:01:39,440 --> 00:01:42,959 Speaker 1: maybe the full season. O. Great. There's a huge disconnect there, 28 00:01:43,040 --> 00:01:46,800 Speaker 1: and we'll get into it with Dan shortly. Um quick 29 00:01:47,160 --> 00:01:50,960 Speaker 1: side note, I know August is NFL month fantasy gambling, 30 00:01:51,000 --> 00:01:53,760 Speaker 1: blah blah blah. I do need to mention to you guys. 31 00:01:55,680 --> 00:02:00,440 Speaker 1: Lebron James as of today, is eligible for his extension. 32 00:02:00,760 --> 00:02:04,880 Speaker 1: He can get a two year, nine million dollar extension 33 00:02:05,000 --> 00:02:09,560 Speaker 1: beginning today. It starts to get interesting for the Lakers. 34 00:02:09,600 --> 00:02:12,000 Speaker 1: I will if you like bread crumbs before we get 35 00:02:12,000 --> 00:02:14,840 Speaker 1: to Dan in the NFL, I'll give you some bread crumbs. 36 00:02:15,560 --> 00:02:19,840 Speaker 1: A month ago, the Lakers, allegedly led by Lebron, wanted 37 00:02:19,919 --> 00:02:27,919 Speaker 1: Kyrie Irving. Okay, the Nets did not want Russell Westbrook, 38 00:02:28,000 --> 00:02:33,520 Speaker 1: and they demanded allegedly two future first from the Lakers. Lebron, 39 00:02:33,680 --> 00:02:37,000 Speaker 1: give him the first gene bus. No, we're not doing 40 00:02:37,040 --> 00:02:43,880 Speaker 1: that stalemate, Kevin Durant asks out no takers, maybe Jaylen Brown. 41 00:02:44,680 --> 00:02:47,840 Speaker 1: This week on the podcast I slipped it in, Kevin 42 00:02:47,919 --> 00:02:53,080 Speaker 1: Durant allegedly meeting with Nets ownership this week. Don't know 43 00:02:53,120 --> 00:02:55,240 Speaker 1: what the outcome will be. Will they kiss and makeup? 44 00:02:55,400 --> 00:02:58,600 Speaker 1: Will Durant say I'm sitting out? Will he demand a trade? 45 00:02:59,200 --> 00:03:01,760 Speaker 1: Durant was recently out here playing pick up hoops. Well, 46 00:03:02,040 --> 00:03:03,960 Speaker 1: I mean a closed pickup game. No, I did not 47 00:03:04,000 --> 00:03:10,440 Speaker 1: get in the building and you can start to see. Okay, guys, Lebron, 48 00:03:10,680 --> 00:03:12,760 Speaker 1: here's your contract, two years ninety seven million. Will you 49 00:03:12,760 --> 00:03:16,880 Speaker 1: please sign it? And Lebron's gonna say get Russell Westbrook 50 00:03:16,880 --> 00:03:19,919 Speaker 1: couty here. I don't know. This is a funny tidbit 51 00:03:19,960 --> 00:03:22,840 Speaker 1: I found while researching this story. Highest paid player in 52 00:03:22,880 --> 00:03:26,280 Speaker 1: the league next year, Steph Curry second highest paid? Are 53 00:03:26,280 --> 00:03:29,720 Speaker 1: you ready for this? Russell Westbrook final year of his deal, 54 00:03:30,000 --> 00:03:33,799 Speaker 1: third hyhest paid Lebron. Now Lebron says no to the 55 00:03:34,920 --> 00:03:37,160 Speaker 1: h two year, ninety seven million dollar deal, Lebron could 56 00:03:37,160 --> 00:03:40,120 Speaker 1: say yes to a one year extension forty six point 57 00:03:40,160 --> 00:03:43,840 Speaker 1: seven mill, in which point he passes Russ and I 58 00:03:43,920 --> 00:03:45,920 Speaker 1: believe is his second highest paid player in the league 59 00:03:46,000 --> 00:03:50,200 Speaker 1: behind Steph Curry. So if Lebron doesn't sign it, you 60 00:03:50,360 --> 00:03:54,480 Speaker 1: know that there's some background shenanigans happening at the same time. 61 00:03:54,880 --> 00:03:56,880 Speaker 1: This week, Kevin Durrett meeting with the Nets. You guys 62 00:03:56,960 --> 00:03:59,200 Speaker 1: can connect the dots. You're very intelligent, you know what 63 00:03:59,320 --> 00:04:02,960 Speaker 1: to do. Um. There is also pivoting from the NBA. 64 00:04:03,000 --> 00:04:05,520 Speaker 1: There is a Hall of Fame game tonight. As I 65 00:04:05,640 --> 00:04:10,360 Speaker 1: understand that nobody good is playing, I will probably not 66 00:04:10,560 --> 00:04:14,480 Speaker 1: be watching, but but good news, I will be on 67 00:04:14,600 --> 00:04:17,080 Speaker 1: the Herd Friday. I will be back. It's supposed to 68 00:04:17,120 --> 00:04:19,280 Speaker 1: be on earlier this week didn't take And then I 69 00:04:19,360 --> 00:04:21,200 Speaker 1: had my little procedure at the procedure that I know 70 00:04:21,279 --> 00:04:23,920 Speaker 1: you guys care so greatly about, and I'm sure a 71 00:04:23,960 --> 00:04:25,840 Speaker 1: lot of dudes are like, dude, you're not gonna really 72 00:04:26,040 --> 00:04:28,400 Speaker 1: Guys that know, alright, you're not gonna really mention it 73 00:04:28,480 --> 00:04:31,840 Speaker 1: and listen. I one of my calling cards has been 74 00:04:31,839 --> 00:04:34,360 Speaker 1: authenticity on this podcast. That's why it's been successful, that's 75 00:04:34,360 --> 00:04:36,680 Speaker 1: why it makes money, that's why we have a large 76 00:04:36,680 --> 00:04:40,240 Speaker 1: amount of listeners. Um, that's why the podcast just got renewed. 77 00:04:41,880 --> 00:04:44,560 Speaker 1: I got a colonoscopy this week. Probably not something I 78 00:04:44,600 --> 00:04:46,760 Speaker 1: should admit. Um, you're really not supposed to get it 79 00:04:46,800 --> 00:04:50,880 Speaker 1: to your fifty. But I had a friend who a 80 00:04:51,000 --> 00:04:55,360 Speaker 1: good friend from what element and that middle school, middle school, 81 00:04:55,480 --> 00:04:57,919 Speaker 1: and high school, and she recently posted that her brother 82 00:04:58,920 --> 00:05:01,520 Speaker 1: passed away from rolling cancer. Didn't know he had it, 83 00:05:01,560 --> 00:05:02,920 Speaker 1: didn't get a goal on oscarpy, and he was like 84 00:05:02,960 --> 00:05:04,880 Speaker 1: in his forties, And I was like, what the hell? 85 00:05:05,040 --> 00:05:07,440 Speaker 1: I had no, come on, you think I'm thinking about 86 00:05:07,480 --> 00:05:11,040 Speaker 1: that stuff. And then I look into it and I 87 00:05:11,160 --> 00:05:12,600 Speaker 1: talked to a couple of buddies who are doctors and 88 00:05:12,600 --> 00:05:14,280 Speaker 1: they're like, yeah, I got one of like forty two, 89 00:05:14,440 --> 00:05:16,560 Speaker 1: forty one. I was like, all right, I'm time ready 90 00:05:16,560 --> 00:05:19,160 Speaker 1: to go in, and I was nervous as hell. Obviously 91 00:05:19,440 --> 00:05:22,720 Speaker 1: it was fine, they found nothing. I'm in the clear 92 00:05:23,040 --> 00:05:25,880 Speaker 1: for a decade. Um. But the interesting thing is the 93 00:05:26,120 --> 00:05:30,040 Speaker 1: lead up is absolutely brutal. You have to like drink 94 00:05:30,120 --> 00:05:32,359 Speaker 1: this stuff. And I'll stop talking about it right there, 95 00:05:32,400 --> 00:05:35,880 Speaker 1: because you know what that does at any rate. I 96 00:05:36,080 --> 00:05:39,880 Speaker 1: highly recommend anybody, and I'll be honest with you, guys, 97 00:05:39,880 --> 00:05:42,400 Speaker 1: if you're in your forties, go do it. It's really 98 00:05:42,440 --> 00:05:43,800 Speaker 1: not that big of a deal. Now, I haven't seen 99 00:05:43,839 --> 00:05:46,600 Speaker 1: the bill uh insurance covers it some of it, but 100 00:05:47,000 --> 00:05:50,960 Speaker 1: I highly recommend it. Another doctor buddy of mine said, Jay, 101 00:05:51,080 --> 00:05:52,760 Speaker 1: you should you should talk about this on your podcast. 102 00:05:52,839 --> 00:05:54,400 Speaker 1: If one guy goes and gets it, you might have 103 00:05:54,400 --> 00:05:57,000 Speaker 1: saved somebody's life because you have no idea how healthy 104 00:05:57,080 --> 00:06:00,200 Speaker 1: these guys are, what they're eating, are, the exercising, and 105 00:06:00,279 --> 00:06:02,240 Speaker 1: it just starts to sneak up on you kind of quit. 106 00:06:02,720 --> 00:06:04,920 Speaker 1: So this is my little p s a go out 107 00:06:05,120 --> 00:06:09,200 Speaker 1: and get it done. It's actually a good little get, 108 00:06:09,320 --> 00:06:11,000 Speaker 1: like a little nice little day where your whole family 109 00:06:11,080 --> 00:06:12,960 Speaker 1: is extra extra nice to you, you know, because you 110 00:06:12,960 --> 00:06:14,280 Speaker 1: can kind of ham it up and be like, oh 111 00:06:14,360 --> 00:06:17,080 Speaker 1: I can't do anything, you know, could you be extra nice? 112 00:06:17,120 --> 00:06:19,920 Speaker 1: You know? And then anyways, um, all right, without further ado, 113 00:06:20,080 --> 00:06:24,640 Speaker 1: let's get to today's guest, Damn Lust, a sports attorney 114 00:06:24,839 --> 00:06:32,440 Speaker 1: and a podcast host on the Deshaun Watson Saga. Jason 115 00:06:32,520 --> 00:06:35,520 Speaker 1: likes to think he knows everything when it comes to sports. 116 00:06:35,880 --> 00:06:39,080 Speaker 1: I know what sports dance want, but for everything he doesn't, 117 00:06:39,360 --> 00:06:42,360 Speaker 1: he knows a guy who does. Let's just say I 118 00:06:42,480 --> 00:06:45,960 Speaker 1: know a guy who knows a guy who knows another guy. 119 00:06:46,240 --> 00:06:49,440 Speaker 1: All right, let's welcome into straight fire a legal voice, 120 00:06:49,560 --> 00:06:53,040 Speaker 1: and I know that the Deshaun Watson story is so 121 00:06:54,320 --> 00:06:57,400 Speaker 1: massive in the NFL right now, the appeal the NFL 122 00:06:58,320 --> 00:07:00,320 Speaker 1: Roger Goodell, it's getting ugly. So we got bringing a 123 00:07:00,440 --> 00:07:04,039 Speaker 1: legal mind who really knows his stuff, Dan Lust Sports Attorney, 124 00:07:04,160 --> 00:07:07,960 Speaker 1: as a podcast called Conduct Detrimental? Dan, How are you man? 125 00:07:08,320 --> 00:07:09,920 Speaker 1: Good It's a good time to have a podcast called 126 00:07:09,960 --> 00:07:12,200 Speaker 1: conduct detrimental? Or that's all all the talk in our 127 00:07:12,240 --> 00:07:15,480 Speaker 1: football world nowadays. Indeed, sadly, you know you're thinking like, 128 00:07:15,520 --> 00:07:18,880 Speaker 1: oh it's August. Oh we'll talk about the depth charts. Uh, 129 00:07:19,400 --> 00:07:22,080 Speaker 1: and you know, quarterbacks on the rise and coaches on 130 00:07:22,120 --> 00:07:24,520 Speaker 1: the hot seat, and no, let's talk about Deshaun Watson 131 00:07:24,600 --> 00:07:28,640 Speaker 1: and Watson in the legal situation. So, you know, Wednesday, 132 00:07:29,200 --> 00:07:32,720 Speaker 1: I was a bit surprised that the NFL decided six 133 00:07:32,840 --> 00:07:36,520 Speaker 1: games was not enough and they now want Roger Goodell 134 00:07:36,600 --> 00:07:39,240 Speaker 1: to drop the hammer on Deshaun Watson. Is that a 135 00:07:39,320 --> 00:07:41,320 Speaker 1: good read of it or how did you read it 136 00:07:41,440 --> 00:07:43,480 Speaker 1: from from the legal point of view? So a couple 137 00:07:43,520 --> 00:07:46,240 Speaker 1: of things. Um, you know, the NFL had three days 138 00:07:46,320 --> 00:07:48,760 Speaker 1: to file their appeal. I expected it to come on Thursday. 139 00:07:48,840 --> 00:07:50,960 Speaker 1: It came on Wednesday. So they said they don't, they 140 00:07:50,960 --> 00:07:52,640 Speaker 1: don't need the three days. They're they've already made up 141 00:07:52,640 --> 00:07:55,120 Speaker 1: their minds. Um. You know, here's what was weighing on 142 00:07:55,200 --> 00:07:57,240 Speaker 1: the NFL, right, first of all, the optics that they 143 00:07:57,440 --> 00:08:00,760 Speaker 1: lost the decision. Yes, certainly, you know. D Robinson found 144 00:08:00,760 --> 00:08:03,240 Speaker 1: that the NFL established their burden what's called the preponderance 145 00:08:03,280 --> 00:08:05,920 Speaker 1: of the Evans fancy way of saying fifty one percent 146 00:08:06,200 --> 00:08:08,680 Speaker 1: that it was more likely than not that four counts 147 00:08:08,720 --> 00:08:11,200 Speaker 1: of sexual assault occurred. So the NFL went for for four. 148 00:08:11,360 --> 00:08:13,440 Speaker 1: They wont all of all the women that were presented 149 00:08:13,720 --> 00:08:16,640 Speaker 1: to Judge Robinson, they won their case on Now, uh, 150 00:08:16,800 --> 00:08:18,640 Speaker 1: you know, Judge Robinson came down I think on the 151 00:08:18,720 --> 00:08:21,080 Speaker 1: lightest end of punishment, she possibly could have came up 152 00:08:21,120 --> 00:08:24,600 Speaker 1: with six games for four accusers. So by my rough math, 153 00:08:24,760 --> 00:08:28,040 Speaker 1: that's one and a half weeks of suspension for you know, 154 00:08:28,120 --> 00:08:30,240 Speaker 1: per accuser, which, if you put it that way, right, 155 00:08:30,320 --> 00:08:32,480 Speaker 1: we're in kind of like Ray Rice territory, which the 156 00:08:32,559 --> 00:08:35,240 Speaker 1: NFL got hit very hard on. So and Ray Rice was, 157 00:08:35,400 --> 00:08:37,600 Speaker 1: you know, almost a decade ago, and you look back 158 00:08:37,640 --> 00:08:39,400 Speaker 1: at this, right, if you're gonna give a game and 159 00:08:39,440 --> 00:08:42,480 Speaker 1: a half per count of sexual assault, I think the 160 00:08:42,600 --> 00:08:44,959 Speaker 1: NFL can certainly view that as just being woefully light 161 00:08:45,080 --> 00:08:47,520 Speaker 1: in this day and age of two, especially when you 162 00:08:47,600 --> 00:08:50,080 Speaker 1: have you know, like these different clinics over in Cleveland 163 00:08:50,160 --> 00:08:53,480 Speaker 1: expressing disappointment with Judge Robinson's finding. So, you know, I 164 00:08:53,600 --> 00:08:57,400 Speaker 1: think optically right, by appealing this, you certainly cast doubt 165 00:08:57,600 --> 00:09:00,160 Speaker 1: on this disciplinary system. Right, What was the point of 166 00:09:00,280 --> 00:09:03,200 Speaker 1: having Judge Robinson if you're just gonna overturn her yourself, 167 00:09:03,320 --> 00:09:06,120 Speaker 1: Roger right, Right. That's certainly one argument. But the other 168 00:09:06,160 --> 00:09:08,080 Speaker 1: one is like maybe the UNFL was worried that they 169 00:09:08,120 --> 00:09:10,400 Speaker 1: were being too light on someone that was, you know, 170 00:09:10,520 --> 00:09:13,120 Speaker 1: accused of twenty four counts of of sexual assault. So 171 00:09:13,559 --> 00:09:15,439 Speaker 1: you know, those were the two the Angel and the 172 00:09:15,520 --> 00:09:17,640 Speaker 1: demon on the NFL's shoulder, and then they went with 173 00:09:17,720 --> 00:09:19,040 Speaker 1: the one that said, we don't want to be viewed 174 00:09:19,040 --> 00:09:21,599 Speaker 1: as being too light on sexual assault. So you know, 175 00:09:21,840 --> 00:09:24,559 Speaker 1: that's that's where they came down on. So, and this 176 00:09:24,720 --> 00:09:26,679 Speaker 1: is where it gets complicated. We'll get to whether or 177 00:09:26,720 --> 00:09:29,320 Speaker 1: not Robinson like even wasted her time over the last 178 00:09:29,400 --> 00:09:32,960 Speaker 1: year doing this, but he used to twenty four counts, 179 00:09:33,080 --> 00:09:36,360 Speaker 1: so essentially the NFL only focused on four. Now I 180 00:09:36,440 --> 00:09:39,080 Speaker 1: don't know if that's because they deemed the others incredible 181 00:09:39,240 --> 00:09:41,959 Speaker 1: or because there was no criminal aspect. But from a 182 00:09:42,200 --> 00:09:47,959 Speaker 1: criminal perspective, what is Watson facing for the allegations that 183 00:09:48,040 --> 00:09:49,920 Speaker 1: were levied against him? So it's a good point. It's 184 00:09:49,960 --> 00:09:51,319 Speaker 1: one that I that I hear a lot, right, Like 185 00:09:51,440 --> 00:09:53,520 Speaker 1: they say, Dan, why aren't you talking about the fact 186 00:09:53,559 --> 00:09:55,839 Speaker 1: that Watson was not indicted by two separate grand juries 187 00:09:55,840 --> 00:09:58,280 Speaker 1: in Texas? And I say, that is fair, right, But 188 00:09:58,400 --> 00:10:00,959 Speaker 1: I'm I'm not the judge. The judge Sue Robinson here 189 00:10:01,240 --> 00:10:03,920 Speaker 1: looked at the case knowing that two separate grand juries 190 00:10:03,920 --> 00:10:06,719 Speaker 1: in Texas declined to pursue with any criminal charges. So 191 00:10:06,800 --> 00:10:09,720 Speaker 1: Watson doesn't have any you know, pending criminal charges at all. 192 00:10:09,800 --> 00:10:13,200 Speaker 1: That he has one left over civil case, so that's 193 00:10:13,240 --> 00:10:15,880 Speaker 1: a case purely for monetary damages. I think Watson is 194 00:10:15,880 --> 00:10:18,120 Speaker 1: in the clear from a criminal perspective. I think once 195 00:10:18,160 --> 00:10:21,640 Speaker 1: you have two grand juries declined to prosecute, um, that's 196 00:10:21,679 --> 00:10:23,319 Speaker 1: really it. I don't know what other you know, what 197 00:10:23,400 --> 00:10:25,200 Speaker 1: other d a would want to bring this to another 198 00:10:25,240 --> 00:10:28,400 Speaker 1: grand jury and risk losing again, Um, you know, but 199 00:10:28,520 --> 00:10:31,400 Speaker 1: that's uh. I think that's kind of an important point here. 200 00:10:31,840 --> 00:10:35,160 Speaker 1: The judge here found that sexual assault occurred. Now, Jason, 201 00:10:35,200 --> 00:10:38,400 Speaker 1: if you asked me, Dan, how how did two grand juries, 202 00:10:38,559 --> 00:10:41,920 Speaker 1: right of everyday human beings find that no sexual assault occurred, 203 00:10:41,960 --> 00:10:45,000 Speaker 1: no felony occurred, no misdemeanor occurred. Yet Judge Robinson and 204 00:10:45,160 --> 00:10:48,040 Speaker 1: judge can find that's four counts of sexual that that 205 00:10:48,160 --> 00:10:50,520 Speaker 1: that that that's a great I think you stole the 206 00:10:50,600 --> 00:10:52,760 Speaker 1: questions out of my mind, but I need to frame 207 00:10:52,840 --> 00:10:55,000 Speaker 1: that for everybody, because again, like the New York Times 208 00:10:55,080 --> 00:10:57,280 Speaker 1: rights old there were sixty different women and then you 209 00:10:57,320 --> 00:10:59,480 Speaker 1: know you got all these numbers twenty four and basically 210 00:10:59,480 --> 00:11:03,840 Speaker 1: the NFL came down to four. But the judge says, yes, 211 00:11:04,000 --> 00:11:06,880 Speaker 1: something happened to grand juries. How many people make up 212 00:11:06,880 --> 00:11:09,320 Speaker 1: a grand jury depends on the state which they're trying 213 00:11:09,360 --> 00:11:10,800 Speaker 1: to be secret, But we'll put the number in ten. 214 00:11:10,880 --> 00:11:13,240 Speaker 1: That's a rough. That's a rough guess. Ten times two 215 00:11:13,360 --> 00:11:16,360 Speaker 1: is twenty or five and five ten times two. Okay, 216 00:11:16,520 --> 00:11:20,559 Speaker 1: So twenty people in two grand juries said no, nothing 217 00:11:20,640 --> 00:11:24,360 Speaker 1: here or not enough to pursue criminal charges. But one 218 00:11:24,559 --> 00:11:29,000 Speaker 1: judge says, yes, we've got six games. How do you 219 00:11:30,040 --> 00:11:32,520 Speaker 1: how do how are we supposed to take that? You can't? 220 00:11:32,520 --> 00:11:34,559 Speaker 1: And I'm gonna make it. We're gonna go in the 221 00:11:34,640 --> 00:11:36,559 Speaker 1: legal weeds here, Jason, you're ready, That's fine, that's fine 222 00:11:36,600 --> 00:11:38,480 Speaker 1: because I think a lot of people are perplexed because 223 00:11:38,480 --> 00:11:40,840 Speaker 1: it's like, what wait do is that he's not in handcuffs, 224 00:11:40,840 --> 00:11:42,560 Speaker 1: he's not going to jail, but the judge is saying 225 00:11:42,600 --> 00:11:44,880 Speaker 1: this is something bad happened six games, and now the 226 00:11:45,000 --> 00:11:48,000 Speaker 1: NFL saying more continue. The short answer is it's inconsistent. Right, 227 00:11:48,040 --> 00:11:49,760 Speaker 1: I can't necessarily make sense of it. But to make 228 00:11:49,800 --> 00:11:52,720 Speaker 1: things more complicated, people know, like the o J case, right, 229 00:11:52,920 --> 00:11:55,480 Speaker 1: o J. The criminal standards beyond all reasonable doubt. If 230 00:11:55,520 --> 00:11:58,280 Speaker 1: we're trying to use numbers for for clarity, that's like 231 00:11:58,600 --> 00:12:01,559 Speaker 1: saying someone is guilty, like and confidence. Right, it's a 232 00:12:01,559 --> 00:12:04,880 Speaker 1: really high number. Okay, So this preponderance of the evidence 233 00:12:04,880 --> 00:12:07,240 Speaker 1: standard is normally the standard in civil court. But that's 234 00:12:07,240 --> 00:12:10,280 Speaker 1: what Judge Robinson looked at. That's that fifty one percent. 235 00:12:10,360 --> 00:12:12,480 Speaker 1: Now is it more likely than not that it happened? 236 00:12:12,480 --> 00:12:14,600 Speaker 1: And that's how o J can find you found innocent 237 00:12:14,640 --> 00:12:17,240 Speaker 1: in criminal court, but we found culpable in civil court 238 00:12:17,320 --> 00:12:19,800 Speaker 1: because maybe the juries found him like a number like 239 00:12:19,880 --> 00:12:23,559 Speaker 1: seventy confident. So somewhere in there. So Judge Robinson, using 240 00:12:23,600 --> 00:12:27,080 Speaker 1: that fifty one percent standard, thinks that he committed sexual assault. Okay, 241 00:12:27,200 --> 00:12:29,600 Speaker 1: let's put that over here in this box. Those grand 242 00:12:29,679 --> 00:12:32,559 Speaker 1: juries are looking at a standard called probable cause on 243 00:12:32,640 --> 00:12:36,079 Speaker 1: our number scale, that's like acent confidence rate. It's even 244 00:12:36,200 --> 00:12:39,080 Speaker 1: lower than the civil courts. So with a lower standard 245 00:12:39,320 --> 00:12:41,520 Speaker 1: like it's there's an expression than a biz right that 246 00:12:41,640 --> 00:12:43,720 Speaker 1: even a grand jury could even indict a ham sandwich. 247 00:12:45,080 --> 00:12:47,480 Speaker 1: It's very easy to get indictment. They didn't even get 248 00:12:47,480 --> 00:12:50,880 Speaker 1: indictment on a lower standard. Yet Judge Robinson comes back 249 00:12:50,920 --> 00:12:53,319 Speaker 1: with this fifty percent down comes forward, So you know 250 00:12:53,440 --> 00:12:55,920 Speaker 1: that's inconsistent. And Jason, I'll do you one step further here, 251 00:12:55,960 --> 00:12:58,400 Speaker 1: and you alluded to it. Roger Goodell a year ago 252 00:12:58,760 --> 00:13:01,280 Speaker 1: refused to put to Shawn and on the Commissioner's example lists, 253 00:13:01,280 --> 00:13:03,120 Speaker 1: and I was, you know, I was doing different, meaning 254 00:13:03,200 --> 00:13:05,120 Speaker 1: I was talking about it, and I said, I guess 255 00:13:05,480 --> 00:13:07,360 Speaker 1: you know Goodell doesn't buy it, right, there's no criminal 256 00:13:07,440 --> 00:13:10,280 Speaker 1: charges at that point. Goodell's not buying it. What has 257 00:13:10,280 --> 00:13:12,280 Speaker 1: happened in the last year, right, The only really thing 258 00:13:12,320 --> 00:13:15,520 Speaker 1: subsidantly is that these grand juries declined to move forward 259 00:13:15,520 --> 00:13:18,560 Speaker 1: with criminal charges. So Goodell goes from not putting him 260 00:13:18,559 --> 00:13:20,760 Speaker 1: on the commissioner's example list, which is a fancy way 261 00:13:20,800 --> 00:13:23,680 Speaker 1: of saying paid leave, and now he goes to maybe 262 00:13:23,760 --> 00:13:28,079 Speaker 1: wanting a one year suspension. So I can, truthfully, I 263 00:13:28,120 --> 00:13:30,440 Speaker 1: can make sense of how a judge in Delaware decides 264 00:13:30,480 --> 00:13:33,360 Speaker 1: differently than you know, to Houston, to Texas grangers. I 265 00:13:33,400 --> 00:13:36,640 Speaker 1: can make sense of that people two different educational backgrounds. 266 00:13:37,000 --> 00:13:39,480 Speaker 1: I can't make sense of how the NFL doesn't put 267 00:13:39,559 --> 00:13:42,240 Speaker 1: him on the exempting and then decides to go for 268 00:13:42,360 --> 00:13:45,280 Speaker 1: a year punishment. It's the same. It's an NFL h 269 00:13:45,360 --> 00:13:47,079 Speaker 1: Q and has not changed. I can't make sense of that. 270 00:13:47,480 --> 00:13:50,360 Speaker 1: Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in 271 00:13:50,400 --> 00:13:53,360 Speaker 1: the nation. Catch all of our shows at Fox sports 272 00:13:53,520 --> 00:13:56,600 Speaker 1: Radio dot com and within the I Heart Radio app 273 00:13:56,640 --> 00:14:00,920 Speaker 1: search f s R to listen live. The only thing 274 00:14:00,960 --> 00:14:03,679 Speaker 1: I would ask, when did Goodell have the chance to 275 00:14:03,679 --> 00:14:05,800 Speaker 1: put him on the exemplest was it? Do you remember 276 00:14:05,840 --> 00:14:07,360 Speaker 1: when it was it a year ago? Because I guess 277 00:14:07,440 --> 00:14:09,319 Speaker 1: you could argue a lot has changed in a year, 278 00:14:09,679 --> 00:14:12,240 Speaker 1: but not a lot has changed grand jury wise to 279 00:14:12,480 --> 00:14:15,200 Speaker 1: Robinson decision wise, right, I'm not as much he could 280 00:14:15,200 --> 00:14:17,120 Speaker 1: have put Watson on the Exemplest at any point during 281 00:14:17,160 --> 00:14:21,240 Speaker 1: the one season. Um, you know, and and truthfully, Jason, right, 282 00:14:21,280 --> 00:14:23,400 Speaker 1: I don't maybe these the allegations come as news to some. 283 00:14:23,960 --> 00:14:26,040 Speaker 1: You know, these complaints started coming out. I think it 284 00:14:26,120 --> 00:14:29,640 Speaker 1: was like twelve and then sixteen in Workship one. So 285 00:14:29,760 --> 00:14:32,120 Speaker 1: we've always known about the heinous, you know, the worst 286 00:14:32,160 --> 00:14:35,040 Speaker 1: aspects of the allegations, right, small towel and you you 287 00:14:35,080 --> 00:14:36,520 Speaker 1: can use your imagination. I don't think this is the 288 00:14:36,760 --> 00:14:39,440 Speaker 1: forum for it. But Goodell has always known the worst 289 00:14:39,480 --> 00:14:42,480 Speaker 1: of the allegations. So nothing has really changed in terms 290 00:14:42,560 --> 00:14:46,240 Speaker 1: of the allegations I against. And I'm a lawyer here, 291 00:14:46,280 --> 00:14:48,360 Speaker 1: I look at decisions all day. I argued cases, I 292 00:14:48,440 --> 00:14:51,640 Speaker 1: negotiate cases. I can't make sense of how Goodell has 293 00:14:51,680 --> 00:14:54,320 Speaker 1: gone a complete one eighty from not punishing him at all. 294 00:14:54,360 --> 00:14:57,000 Speaker 1: The exemplest is a form of punishment, right, It's you're 295 00:14:57,040 --> 00:14:59,400 Speaker 1: taking a guy off the field to now going for 296 00:14:59,520 --> 00:15:01,200 Speaker 1: a year. And if you kind of ask me, right, 297 00:15:01,680 --> 00:15:03,440 Speaker 1: if the Browns knew that all of this was going 298 00:15:03,480 --> 00:15:05,200 Speaker 1: to potentially happen, hey could be out for a year, 299 00:15:05,640 --> 00:15:07,760 Speaker 1: I highly doubt they would have parted with three first 300 00:15:07,840 --> 00:15:10,440 Speaker 1: round picks, and that record breaking two thirty million dollar 301 00:15:10,480 --> 00:15:13,840 Speaker 1: guaranteed contract. I think maybe they looked at what Goodelda, 302 00:15:13,840 --> 00:15:15,520 Speaker 1: and they said, hey, they even put them on the 303 00:15:15,560 --> 00:15:18,560 Speaker 1: example list. Maybe we can get away with no punishment. Yeah, um, 304 00:15:19,080 --> 00:15:22,760 Speaker 1: it's a fair reading, that is that's that's a great point. Um. 305 00:15:22,920 --> 00:15:24,720 Speaker 1: I don't think I've heard that point. But you know, 306 00:15:25,400 --> 00:15:27,760 Speaker 1: all right, so let's back up real quick. So I 307 00:15:27,800 --> 00:15:30,320 Speaker 1: don't know how often do are you in court? Dan 308 00:15:30,520 --> 00:15:34,360 Speaker 1: practicing law? Pre COVID or post COVID, but well, go 309 00:15:34,480 --> 00:15:37,200 Speaker 1: pre COVID. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you know, I'd say, you know, 310 00:15:37,360 --> 00:15:40,200 Speaker 1: in the normal, normal legal era, I'm either doing a 311 00:15:40,240 --> 00:15:43,280 Speaker 1: deposition or I'm in court three or four times a week, right, 312 00:15:43,360 --> 00:15:46,040 Speaker 1: so you know obviously the legal ins and outs of 313 00:15:46,080 --> 00:15:50,000 Speaker 1: all this stuff. I am curious Judge Robinson did she 314 00:15:50,200 --> 00:15:54,680 Speaker 1: have better information to go on than the two grand juries? 315 00:15:55,400 --> 00:15:58,640 Speaker 1: Tough to say, right, both are both are essentially private proceedings. 316 00:15:58,720 --> 00:16:00,640 Speaker 1: Grand juries are meant to be secret. We're not supposed 317 00:16:00,680 --> 00:16:02,880 Speaker 1: to know what happened in those, uh, and we're not 318 00:16:03,000 --> 00:16:05,160 Speaker 1: really when we might know what happens with in front 319 00:16:05,200 --> 00:16:08,160 Speaker 1: of Robinson's extent, this goes up on a federal appeal, 320 00:16:08,200 --> 00:16:10,600 Speaker 1: but the short narrager is we don't know. And now 321 00:16:10,680 --> 00:16:13,000 Speaker 1: you alluded to something early on in our conversation, Jason, 322 00:16:13,000 --> 00:16:14,840 Speaker 1: because maybe in the past life you were a lawyer. 323 00:16:14,880 --> 00:16:17,120 Speaker 1: Family members are lawyers. I wanted to be one, dude, 324 00:16:17,160 --> 00:16:20,120 Speaker 1: There is some in my dad's family tree. Good good, 325 00:16:20,200 --> 00:16:22,240 Speaker 1: good listening. That's what I do for a living, right, 326 00:16:22,240 --> 00:16:23,760 Speaker 1: and I'm giving you takes no one else gives, because 327 00:16:23,800 --> 00:16:25,760 Speaker 1: I don't think that many lawyers are talking about this. 328 00:16:26,240 --> 00:16:28,640 Speaker 1: But here's the thing, right, Why did the NFL only 329 00:16:28,680 --> 00:16:32,480 Speaker 1: present four women to judge Robinson? I have no idea, right, 330 00:16:32,520 --> 00:16:34,640 Speaker 1: and you mentioned right may because those other twenty were 331 00:16:34,680 --> 00:16:36,800 Speaker 1: not as credible. Um, I will tell you you know, 332 00:16:36,880 --> 00:16:38,720 Speaker 1: in a point an aspect of this case we haven't 333 00:16:38,760 --> 00:16:41,360 Speaker 1: talked about. The Houston Texans were half brought into this 334 00:16:41,480 --> 00:16:44,920 Speaker 1: case alleged to have facilitated Watson's actions, and the Houston 335 00:16:44,960 --> 00:16:48,960 Speaker 1: Texans very quickly settled with thirty women. So twenty four 336 00:16:49,000 --> 00:16:51,840 Speaker 1: women filed lawsuits, thirty settled with the Texans. So, for 337 00:16:51,960 --> 00:16:54,520 Speaker 1: doing our rough then diagram math, that leaves six women 338 00:16:54,520 --> 00:16:57,200 Speaker 1: on accounting for whom might also filels. So let's use 339 00:16:57,240 --> 00:17:00,480 Speaker 1: that number thirty, right, Why didn't the NFL all thirty 340 00:17:00,480 --> 00:17:02,600 Speaker 1: women and marcham in one after the other. I'm not 341 00:17:02,720 --> 00:17:04,680 Speaker 1: sure of that answer. Now, if we go over to 342 00:17:04,720 --> 00:17:07,399 Speaker 1: the grand jury proceedings, Um, you know, some reporting came out. 343 00:17:07,520 --> 00:17:09,120 Speaker 1: Unless you hear it from the horse's mouth, you don't 344 00:17:09,160 --> 00:17:11,440 Speaker 1: really know. But at the end that the grand jury 345 00:17:11,760 --> 00:17:13,600 Speaker 1: that the d A there didn't use all I think 346 00:17:13,640 --> 00:17:16,280 Speaker 1: it was ten criminal complainants. She didn't use all ten. 347 00:17:16,320 --> 00:17:18,560 Speaker 1: I think she used like one or two. So I 348 00:17:18,640 --> 00:17:20,320 Speaker 1: can't make sense of that either. Right, if you have 349 00:17:20,520 --> 00:17:23,320 Speaker 1: these people at at your disposal and they want to speak, 350 00:17:23,359 --> 00:17:24,920 Speaker 1: they want to speak their truth in front of a 351 00:17:25,320 --> 00:17:28,200 Speaker 1: captive audience, be Judge Robins or her grand jury, bring 352 00:17:28,320 --> 00:17:30,640 Speaker 1: them in, right, let's all, let's put it out there 353 00:17:30,680 --> 00:17:31,920 Speaker 1: and you know, play it where it lies, you know, 354 00:17:32,080 --> 00:17:34,680 Speaker 1: for for a golf expression here. But I'm not hearing that. 355 00:17:34,760 --> 00:17:36,760 Speaker 1: I'm hearing that both sides were very selective and who 356 00:17:36,800 --> 00:17:39,760 Speaker 1: they brought in front of these various tread mules. Um. 357 00:17:40,119 --> 00:17:43,080 Speaker 1: And again, I it's tough for you to answer this one, 358 00:17:43,160 --> 00:17:47,280 Speaker 1: but is your gut telling you that maybe the NFL 359 00:17:47,440 --> 00:17:51,159 Speaker 1: didn't deem many of those credible, or maybe the NFL 360 00:17:51,280 --> 00:17:53,680 Speaker 1: tried to get them and they would not talk, or 361 00:17:54,760 --> 00:17:57,040 Speaker 1: another reason I'm not thinking of, like you know, to 362 00:17:57,200 --> 00:18:03,960 Speaker 1: ignore of the allegations. Something seems off there. No, I'm 363 00:18:04,119 --> 00:18:06,200 Speaker 1: with you, I if I'm if I and I don't 364 00:18:06,240 --> 00:18:07,560 Speaker 1: know the answer to stuff I had to speculate. I 365 00:18:07,600 --> 00:18:09,680 Speaker 1: think it's probably the first one, right that they didn't 366 00:18:09,720 --> 00:18:11,159 Speaker 1: want to, you know, leave it up to chance with 367 00:18:11,240 --> 00:18:14,240 Speaker 1: someone that might not have seemed necessarily credible. And what 368 00:18:14,359 --> 00:18:16,480 Speaker 1: I've heard, you know, out of the Tony Buzzby Camp, 369 00:18:16,520 --> 00:18:19,399 Speaker 1: who is the the attorney for these various accusers. I 370 00:18:19,440 --> 00:18:21,200 Speaker 1: haven't heard it from him, but just in and around 371 00:18:21,240 --> 00:18:24,320 Speaker 1: the situation that some of these various accusers are more 372 00:18:24,359 --> 00:18:26,760 Speaker 1: credible than other ones. Right, if you the NFL, you 373 00:18:26,800 --> 00:18:29,280 Speaker 1: put your best foot forward. Um, and that's I mean 374 00:18:29,320 --> 00:18:31,760 Speaker 1: that that would make sense, you know, Uh that rough 375 00:18:31,880 --> 00:18:33,760 Speaker 1: math I did for you, right of those you know, 376 00:18:33,880 --> 00:18:37,080 Speaker 1: four accusers that Judge Robinson found, Uh, you know we're 377 00:18:37,119 --> 00:18:40,159 Speaker 1: perpetrated with some form of sexual assault. Okay, one and 378 00:18:40,200 --> 00:18:42,400 Speaker 1: a half games per person. I don't I don't think 379 00:18:42,440 --> 00:18:45,680 Speaker 1: personally that's sufficient if we're looking at NFL president. But Jason, 380 00:18:45,720 --> 00:18:49,320 Speaker 1: to your point, if if Sue Robinson had all twenty 381 00:18:49,359 --> 00:18:51,480 Speaker 1: four at her disposal and then also issue to six 382 00:18:51,560 --> 00:18:53,720 Speaker 1: games suspension. I think you have a lot more people 383 00:18:53,800 --> 00:18:55,879 Speaker 1: up in arms here, so maybe there was a decision 384 00:18:55,920 --> 00:18:58,280 Speaker 1: on the NFL's part. I can't really make sense of it. 385 00:18:58,359 --> 00:19:00,359 Speaker 1: You know, if you do have twenty four women that 386 00:19:00,600 --> 00:19:02,680 Speaker 1: I thought it was important enough to follow lawsuits and 387 00:19:02,760 --> 00:19:05,480 Speaker 1: put their names on the lawsuit and risk public embarrassment 388 00:19:05,520 --> 00:19:08,080 Speaker 1: whatever comes from putting your name on a public lawsuit, No, 389 00:19:08,320 --> 00:19:10,280 Speaker 1: I think they have enough loose credibility to get in 390 00:19:10,359 --> 00:19:14,239 Speaker 1: front of a judge. Certainly. All right, Dan, difficult task here. 391 00:19:14,280 --> 00:19:16,919 Speaker 1: I want you to put yourself and Judge Robinson shooes 392 00:19:17,040 --> 00:19:21,200 Speaker 1: just for a moment. You rendered the six games right. 393 00:19:21,880 --> 00:19:24,320 Speaker 1: A day and a half later, the NFL comes out 394 00:19:24,359 --> 00:19:27,080 Speaker 1: and says, thank you, we'll take it from here. We're 395 00:19:27,080 --> 00:19:29,879 Speaker 1: going to appeal it. How do you feel? Are you like, 396 00:19:30,040 --> 00:19:31,600 Speaker 1: what what did I just do? Did I just spin 397 00:19:31,720 --> 00:19:35,040 Speaker 1: my wheels? Because you have to wonder about the league's process, 398 00:19:35,320 --> 00:19:37,880 Speaker 1: because I believe the NFL and the p A came 399 00:19:37,920 --> 00:19:40,359 Speaker 1: together and said, hey, Judge Robinson's gonna make a decision here, 400 00:19:40,720 --> 00:19:42,360 Speaker 1: and the NFL is just coming in later and saying 401 00:19:42,400 --> 00:19:44,439 Speaker 1: we don't really care what she says we're gonna make 402 00:19:44,480 --> 00:19:48,120 Speaker 1: our own decision. Like this seems like an idiotic move 403 00:19:48,160 --> 00:19:50,600 Speaker 1: by the NFL, does it not. I think if I'm 404 00:19:50,640 --> 00:19:52,520 Speaker 1: Joe Robinson, I'm looking at that one of those memes 405 00:19:52,560 --> 00:19:55,000 Speaker 1: where I'm literally just like the like wildly coyote and 406 00:19:55,000 --> 00:19:57,600 Speaker 1: I'm spinning my wheels. I'm not even moving. I'm doing 407 00:19:57,640 --> 00:19:59,879 Speaker 1: all this work, well, all this uh you know Connecticut, 408 00:20:00,359 --> 00:20:04,280 Speaker 1: those science terms and not them anywhere. Right. Um, I've 409 00:20:04,359 --> 00:20:05,960 Speaker 1: said this, and that was I think one of the 410 00:20:06,240 --> 00:20:08,399 Speaker 1: optics that the NFL had to weigh that if you 411 00:20:08,480 --> 00:20:10,680 Speaker 1: come in and just reinsert your judgment, the NFL wanted 412 00:20:10,720 --> 00:20:12,800 Speaker 1: a year that indefinite suspension of one year or more, 413 00:20:13,359 --> 00:20:16,840 Speaker 1: the optics are unavoidable. That Judge Robinson just wasted her time, right, 414 00:20:16,880 --> 00:20:20,320 Speaker 1: and various team judge that both sides picked together. It 415 00:20:20,400 --> 00:20:22,080 Speaker 1: was a complete waste, right, Like we were waiting for 416 00:20:22,080 --> 00:20:23,800 Speaker 1: a decision two weeks ago and one week is it 417 00:20:23,840 --> 00:20:26,639 Speaker 1: gonna come on Friday? It didn't matter at all, And 418 00:20:26,720 --> 00:20:29,320 Speaker 1: then then we're gonna say, right, this this new system 419 00:20:29,320 --> 00:20:31,520 Speaker 1: that everyone was so happy about, and all JC tread 420 00:20:31,600 --> 00:20:32,960 Speaker 1: and all the players are shaking their hands, are so 421 00:20:33,000 --> 00:20:35,919 Speaker 1: happy they got this deal done, right, This new system 422 00:20:36,320 --> 00:20:38,200 Speaker 1: looks a lot like the old system, right, I think 423 00:20:38,240 --> 00:20:41,600 Speaker 1: that's the unavoidable optics. All right, let's spin it forward. 424 00:20:42,160 --> 00:20:46,760 Speaker 1: What is next now that the NFL has appealed? You know, 425 00:20:46,880 --> 00:20:49,320 Speaker 1: it goes to Roger Goodell? And I don't know. Does 426 00:20:49,359 --> 00:20:52,119 Speaker 1: Goodell start from ground zero here and build up the 427 00:20:52,280 --> 00:20:54,600 Speaker 1: entire cases? Could take a while. Does he already have 428 00:20:54,680 --> 00:20:57,040 Speaker 1: all the information and he's just gonna basically rubber stamp? 429 00:20:57,160 --> 00:21:00,280 Speaker 1: I think a year it's done, and then the ENDFL 430 00:21:00,359 --> 00:21:03,600 Speaker 1: Players Association appeals it, says their part. I mean this 431 00:21:03,800 --> 00:21:06,879 Speaker 1: could get really drawn out and ugly for everybody to shawn, 432 00:21:07,080 --> 00:21:11,200 Speaker 1: the league, the owners, the Goodell. Yeah. I mean, here's 433 00:21:11,240 --> 00:21:13,240 Speaker 1: the thing, right, I will point out right, it's could 434 00:21:13,280 --> 00:21:16,200 Speaker 1: Goodell pick himself as the you know, the the judge 435 00:21:16,240 --> 00:21:18,280 Speaker 1: over these proceedings, you know, and handle the appeal. He could, 436 00:21:18,640 --> 00:21:20,880 Speaker 1: but it more likely he's able to appoint a designate. 437 00:21:21,040 --> 00:21:24,160 Speaker 1: So somebody that's gonna be handpicked by Roger Goodell. Good 438 00:21:24,160 --> 00:21:26,360 Speaker 1: guess they're probably gonna be a friend of Roger Deell. 439 00:21:26,440 --> 00:21:29,040 Speaker 1: O Wait is that? Wait? Is that I didn't even 440 00:21:29,080 --> 00:21:30,439 Speaker 1: know he could do? I thought he was the one 441 00:21:30,480 --> 00:21:32,199 Speaker 1: rendering it. Yeah, you're telling me he could just hand 442 00:21:32,280 --> 00:21:34,280 Speaker 1: pick somebody. But didn't they just do that with the 443 00:21:34,359 --> 00:21:36,720 Speaker 1: judge Robinson? It sounds pretty similar, right. It sounds like 444 00:21:36,760 --> 00:21:38,160 Speaker 1: it was a complete waste of time in the first 445 00:21:38,240 --> 00:21:42,040 Speaker 1: level we're thinking about, like the NFL is just gonna 446 00:21:42,240 --> 00:21:44,760 Speaker 1: drag this out and it's gonna look worse and worse. Yeah, 447 00:21:44,800 --> 00:21:46,440 Speaker 1: I mean it's probably you know, truthly, I think it 448 00:21:46,480 --> 00:21:48,359 Speaker 1: looks better if Goodell is not presiding over this, and 449 00:21:48,400 --> 00:21:50,080 Speaker 1: I think it looks better if it's somebody else. But 450 00:21:50,640 --> 00:21:53,080 Speaker 1: you know, um, I've been been a part of sports 451 00:21:53,240 --> 00:21:56,160 Speaker 1: arbitrations involving leagues, not to to name any in particular, 452 00:21:56,240 --> 00:21:58,719 Speaker 1: but you know, if you are an NFL appointed, uh, 453 00:21:58,960 --> 00:22:02,720 Speaker 1: you know, judge your arbiter and you decide against the NFL. Right, 454 00:22:02,760 --> 00:22:05,200 Speaker 1: if you decide against Roger Goodell, probably a good guess 455 00:22:05,200 --> 00:22:07,280 Speaker 1: you're not gonna get that call over again. So correct. 456 00:22:07,320 --> 00:22:09,320 Speaker 1: That's that's I think a fair reading of it. So yeah, 457 00:22:09,359 --> 00:22:11,440 Speaker 1: it's gonna go up to either Goodell or his designate. 458 00:22:11,560 --> 00:22:13,800 Speaker 1: Is the is the fancy legal term? Um, I think 459 00:22:13,840 --> 00:22:15,960 Speaker 1: we already. Uh, some reports are trickling out that the 460 00:22:16,080 --> 00:22:18,760 Speaker 1: NFL is looking for that one year and indefinite length. 461 00:22:19,000 --> 00:22:21,280 Speaker 1: I think they're gonna have another conversation with Watson about 462 00:22:21,280 --> 00:22:23,640 Speaker 1: trying to settle in the range of ten to twelve games, 463 00:22:23,920 --> 00:22:25,720 Speaker 1: oping it to a number that the NFL looks a 464 00:22:25,760 --> 00:22:28,120 Speaker 1: little bit better for. Um. But if it's wait, okay, 465 00:22:28,119 --> 00:22:30,280 Speaker 1: time out, Tom out Dan, because you said it, the 466 00:22:30,520 --> 00:22:34,280 Speaker 1: NFL looks better for ten or twelve games? Why why 467 00:22:34,720 --> 00:22:37,440 Speaker 1: why ten or twelve verses six? I mean, listen, it's 468 00:22:37,960 --> 00:22:39,720 Speaker 1: last night check. Ten is more than six, twelve is 469 00:22:39,760 --> 00:22:43,640 Speaker 1: more than That's That's it. It doesn't get more complicated. Okay, fine, 470 00:22:43,680 --> 00:22:45,960 Speaker 1: what what did what did Robert Kraft get for the 471 00:22:46,240 --> 00:22:49,600 Speaker 1: prostitution sting? I think that's our closest precedent on point 472 00:22:49,600 --> 00:22:53,920 Speaker 1: and I think that's a whopping zero. Okay. So, and 473 00:22:54,960 --> 00:22:57,520 Speaker 1: again you don't want to weigh which is worse Craft 474 00:22:57,640 --> 00:23:01,159 Speaker 1: or or or Deshaun Watson. But um, by the way, 475 00:23:01,160 --> 00:23:02,600 Speaker 1: I forgot to ask, what did the grand jury do 476 00:23:02,680 --> 00:23:06,000 Speaker 1: on Robert Kraft? Uh? Well, they ended up throwing out 477 00:23:06,040 --> 00:23:08,920 Speaker 1: the case on some bad evidence, some bad subpoenas. But 478 00:23:09,240 --> 00:23:11,800 Speaker 1: the short answer is Goodell's off squeaky clean in the 479 00:23:12,040 --> 00:23:16,199 Speaker 1: court of NFL opinion, and obviously the legal courts. Okay, so, uh, 480 00:23:16,359 --> 00:23:20,400 Speaker 1: conspiracy theorist started to jump in again. Cleveland Browns gave 481 00:23:20,480 --> 00:23:25,000 Speaker 1: Watson the highest, the largest guarantee contract ever. Out owners 482 00:23:25,040 --> 00:23:27,600 Speaker 1: are outraged because now players, maybe Lamar Jackson, are gonna 483 00:23:27,680 --> 00:23:33,560 Speaker 1: want the fully guaranteed contract. Is this NFL owners saying 484 00:23:33,600 --> 00:23:38,119 Speaker 1: to Goodell, do something. Screw these guys up. We're angry 485 00:23:38,200 --> 00:23:41,160 Speaker 1: that they went and paid Watson this. It's a bad look. 486 00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:43,800 Speaker 1: And also we're gonna have to pay quarterbacks more. Do 487 00:23:43,960 --> 00:23:46,479 Speaker 1: something Roger, and Roger steps up. Now, in the long run, 488 00:23:46,520 --> 00:23:49,200 Speaker 1: it's really nothing. But do you are you buying in 489 00:23:49,240 --> 00:23:52,000 Speaker 1: any of that conspiracy theory? Um, I've certainly heard the 490 00:23:52,040 --> 00:23:54,720 Speaker 1: whispers behind the scenes. Um, I don't think it's as 491 00:23:54,840 --> 00:23:56,720 Speaker 1: much that as it is right. There is the different 492 00:23:56,760 --> 00:23:59,280 Speaker 1: optics of like, you know, these Cleveland clinics coming out 493 00:23:59,320 --> 00:24:01,240 Speaker 1: and saying this is at look, the NFL has to 494 00:24:01,280 --> 00:24:03,080 Speaker 1: do something about it, and the fact that at the 495 00:24:03,119 --> 00:24:05,600 Speaker 1: end of the day, Roger Goodell does have the ability, 496 00:24:05,640 --> 00:24:08,159 Speaker 1: he does wield that power to either appoint himself or 497 00:24:08,320 --> 00:24:11,320 Speaker 1: a designate. So you know, you asked me, do I 498 00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:13,199 Speaker 1: think ten games is better than six? I think it's 499 00:24:13,240 --> 00:24:15,680 Speaker 1: marginally better, But the NFL kind of in a in 500 00:24:15,720 --> 00:24:19,080 Speaker 1: a backdoor way, might look better if they have a 501 00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:23,119 Speaker 1: harsher punishment than an independent judge. So, uh, you know, 502 00:24:23,160 --> 00:24:24,879 Speaker 1: I don't think they go away. Bet you say they 503 00:24:24,920 --> 00:24:27,840 Speaker 1: look better, yeah, but don't you think it's possible that 504 00:24:27,880 --> 00:24:30,240 Speaker 1: they look worse with a minute. A judge who does 505 00:24:30,359 --> 00:24:34,000 Speaker 1: this stuff all the time, deals with evidence, rules to 506 00:24:34,080 --> 00:24:37,840 Speaker 1: the law, all the legalities they deemed six, and the 507 00:24:38,119 --> 00:24:40,560 Speaker 1: NFL is now saying, no, we know better than the judge, 508 00:24:40,600 --> 00:24:42,760 Speaker 1: and we're gonna give twelve. Well, it depends, right. I 509 00:24:42,800 --> 00:24:44,200 Speaker 1: think that the way that you asked the question is 510 00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:46,320 Speaker 1: who does it look better too? I'm talking about with 511 00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:49,159 Speaker 1: respect to women's rights groups in the Cleveland clinics. It 512 00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:52,280 Speaker 1: looks certainly better to them. Oh yes, yes, But if 513 00:24:52,280 --> 00:24:55,080 Speaker 1: you're Roger Goodell, right, of our four major sports commissioners, 514 00:24:55,080 --> 00:24:58,280 Speaker 1: you're the only non lawyer, right, Betman's a lawyer, Manford's 515 00:24:58,280 --> 00:25:00,800 Speaker 1: a lawyer. You know, Silver's lawy. You go down the list, 516 00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:02,879 Speaker 1: it looks pretty bad if he's like, you know what, 517 00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:05,159 Speaker 1: I'm the only non lawyer. Yet I know more than 518 00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:07,480 Speaker 1: the federal judge that I appointed to be the independent arbiter. 519 00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:10,520 Speaker 1: I'm just saying, right, what lane did the NFL pick? 520 00:25:10,840 --> 00:25:13,680 Speaker 1: So the one that was like the optics of looking 521 00:25:13,720 --> 00:25:16,000 Speaker 1: bad by overruling a judge, they've already gone there, right, 522 00:25:16,040 --> 00:25:18,040 Speaker 1: they already picked. Uh, you know, like if we were 523 00:25:18,040 --> 00:25:19,520 Speaker 1: in the matrix, we're looking at the red pill and 524 00:25:19,560 --> 00:25:22,159 Speaker 1: the blue pill. I said, if you if you appeal this, 525 00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:24,800 Speaker 1: you already looked bad on the procedural side, right, the 526 00:25:24,880 --> 00:25:26,960 Speaker 1: other pills looking bad to the you know, the Cleveland 527 00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:28,879 Speaker 1: clinics that are you know, saying that you're not supporting 528 00:25:28,920 --> 00:25:31,719 Speaker 1: women's rights. So they picked the pill. We don't care 529 00:25:31,760 --> 00:25:33,679 Speaker 1: if we look bad procedurally. We don't want to look 530 00:25:33,720 --> 00:25:36,800 Speaker 1: bad to those clinics. So I think by upping the number, 531 00:25:37,320 --> 00:25:39,280 Speaker 1: they do look better to those clinics and those women's 532 00:25:39,359 --> 00:25:41,200 Speaker 1: rights groups, the people that are up in arms saying 533 00:25:41,520 --> 00:25:43,640 Speaker 1: you just disregarded what a federal judge said. Now they're 534 00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:45,760 Speaker 1: even angrier. Right, you didn't just appeal it, You uped 535 00:25:45,800 --> 00:25:47,920 Speaker 1: it to a number that you didn't deem appropriate. So 536 00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:50,359 Speaker 1: this is why you know that that expression the rock 537 00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:52,600 Speaker 1: in a hard place. Nical's kind damned if they do, 538 00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:54,320 Speaker 1: damned if they don't. But they've kind of you know, 539 00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:57,399 Speaker 1: picked their poison. At this point, Fox Sports Radio has 540 00:25:57,480 --> 00:26:00,480 Speaker 1: the best sports talk lineup in the nation. All of 541 00:26:00,560 --> 00:26:04,040 Speaker 1: our shows at Fox Sports Radio dot com and within 542 00:26:04,119 --> 00:26:06,560 Speaker 1: the I Heart Radio app search f s R to 543 00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:09,960 Speaker 1: listen live. I want to go back. You mentioned Ezekiel 544 00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:14,040 Speaker 1: Elliott earlier, and I quickly punched in Google again. Female 545 00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:17,800 Speaker 1: judge making a decision, and it looked everywhere I can 546 00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:21,760 Speaker 1: find she was saying no suspension. Then Goodell came in 547 00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:24,120 Speaker 1: and said four. Is that accurate or no? I think 548 00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:25,920 Speaker 1: it was. It got up to six games by the 549 00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:30,560 Speaker 1: by the NFL. Oh, Elliott got six. Okay, but this 550 00:26:30,760 --> 00:26:32,639 Speaker 1: is so this will be the second time it involves 551 00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:35,000 Speaker 1: athlete and a female and then you bring in a 552 00:26:35,040 --> 00:26:38,159 Speaker 1: female judge renders the decision, the NFL says, no, we 553 00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:41,600 Speaker 1: need to be tougher, and they overrule the judge and 554 00:26:41,760 --> 00:26:45,080 Speaker 1: come in with their own decision. That's that's that's a 555 00:26:45,119 --> 00:26:48,600 Speaker 1: fair reading at least that dan. Is that a good precedent, Well, 556 00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:51,440 Speaker 1: at least here right. The judge didn't say zero, she 557 00:26:51,520 --> 00:26:53,880 Speaker 1: said six, So she maybe looked back and I'm sure 558 00:26:53,920 --> 00:26:55,960 Speaker 1: if I was in Judge Robinson, she was like, you 559 00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:57,680 Speaker 1: asked me before, what would I do. I would study 560 00:26:57,680 --> 00:27:00,000 Speaker 1: the Zeke case. I'd studied the Roethlisberger case. I study 561 00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:02,879 Speaker 1: the Brady case. Oh well, roethlis Broger, I've totally forgot 562 00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:05,480 Speaker 1: about that. But you go through the annals of NFL 563 00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:08,560 Speaker 1: history and you'd say, okay, what what what ended up 564 00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:10,760 Speaker 1: with this judge being overturned? Right? The z case went up, 565 00:27:10,800 --> 00:27:13,240 Speaker 1: he ended up serving his suspension, you know, and maybe 566 00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:15,320 Speaker 1: should look back and said the NFL wanted six games 567 00:27:15,359 --> 00:27:17,800 Speaker 1: for Zeke, so maybe I should give six games for Watson. 568 00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:20,120 Speaker 1: So I think it's a bad look for the NFL 569 00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:23,720 Speaker 1: to to be continuing to overrule judges female mail. I 570 00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:26,760 Speaker 1: don't think that they're not right. Certainly there are lawyers 571 00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:28,720 Speaker 1: in the NFL, but Goodell is the face of this, 572 00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:30,600 Speaker 1: uh you know, this campaign. So I don't think it 573 00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:32,960 Speaker 1: looks good in that sense. But you know, um, I 574 00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:36,199 Speaker 1: think the NFL and and maybe in a larger existential level, 575 00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:39,080 Speaker 1: we're talking about punishments. Stephen Ross, the owner of the Dolphins, 576 00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:41,760 Speaker 1: just got suspended for six weeks. DeAndre Hopkins had his 577 00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:43,920 Speaker 1: p the issue, he gets suspended for six weeks, and 578 00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:47,120 Speaker 1: Watson gets suspended for six weeks. So like all six 579 00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:49,639 Speaker 1: games suspensions like come in all shapes and sizes the 580 00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:53,200 Speaker 1: NFL really like and Ridley suspended for a year for betting, like, oh, 581 00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:57,000 Speaker 1: come on that that None of these things makes sense, right, 582 00:27:57,040 --> 00:27:59,800 Speaker 1: They're all different severities. It's almost like they're just throwing, 583 00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:01,920 Speaker 1: you know, dart set aboard and figuring out where the 584 00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:04,280 Speaker 1: punishment lands. So the NFL has got a real problem 585 00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:07,199 Speaker 1: with just the optics of punishment, right, is what DeShawn 586 00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:09,760 Speaker 1: Watson did, what the judge found that he did. It's 587 00:28:09,800 --> 00:28:12,160 Speaker 1: not it's not accusations. The judge found that this occurred. 588 00:28:12,520 --> 00:28:14,600 Speaker 1: It is worth six games versus Ridley, who had a 589 00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:21,280 Speaker 1: sixteen partlay for a joke. Let me since you brought 590 00:28:21,320 --> 00:28:24,240 Speaker 1: up the Dolphins, let me let me ask so again, 591 00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:27,399 Speaker 1: Watson is more of a criminal situation. And you know, 592 00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:31,119 Speaker 1: the grand jury said you know nothing there Um what 593 00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:37,280 Speaker 1: Ross did blatantly trying to tamper with Brady and Sean 594 00:28:37,320 --> 00:28:40,560 Speaker 1: Payton while they were on under contract for other teams. Okay, 595 00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:45,320 Speaker 1: from my perspective, that is way worse than Shaun Watson 596 00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:49,000 Speaker 1: situation as it pertains to football. I'm surprised Ross got 597 00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:52,440 Speaker 1: virtually nothing. And this is a guy who was the 598 00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:56,920 Speaker 1: owner during the bully situation within cognito um. There was 599 00:28:56,960 --> 00:28:58,880 Speaker 1: another situation a couple of years ago that was not 600 00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:02,920 Speaker 1: great in my me um, And now this and it's like, 601 00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:06,000 Speaker 1: that's all one point five million dollars to a guy 602 00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:10,640 Speaker 1: who's worth seven billion. Dan, where are you on a 603 00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:14,320 Speaker 1: Dolphins situation? I'm unintentionally full of hot takes just because 604 00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:17,320 Speaker 1: I'm in the weeds of So here's the thing, right, 605 00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:19,680 Speaker 1: Dan Snyder, and I've been on this, uh following that 606 00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:22,800 Speaker 1: case for a long time. Oh jeez, I forgot about that. Yeah, 607 00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:24,360 Speaker 1: He's like, keep you here all day, and I got 608 00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:27,040 Speaker 1: plenty in the tank here. Um. But Dan Snyder, right, 609 00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:29,280 Speaker 1: you know, he gets he gets this indefinite leave from 610 00:29:29,320 --> 00:29:32,600 Speaker 1: the Washington Commanders Organization, no written reports, So he doesn't 611 00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:34,080 Speaker 1: get the public shaming that I think a lot of 612 00:29:34,120 --> 00:29:37,200 Speaker 1: people want it. Okay, guys in front of Congress testifying 613 00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:39,880 Speaker 1: about sexual harassment, toxic workplace. But you know what, the 614 00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:42,320 Speaker 1: NFL doesn't want to publicly shame him. You mentioned Robert 615 00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:45,480 Speaker 1: Kraft earlier, right, his own allegations of you know, going 616 00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:47,960 Speaker 1: to the massage parlor and uh, you know whatever he's 617 00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:50,479 Speaker 1: doing over there. Lest I checked, he didn't get suspended 618 00:29:50,520 --> 00:29:52,200 Speaker 1: at all. He didn't get anything right in the NFL 619 00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:54,360 Speaker 1: was certainly within their power to suspend both those guys 620 00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:56,880 Speaker 1: and embarrass them, just like you know, to some extent, 621 00:29:57,120 --> 00:29:59,440 Speaker 1: Watson's getting dragged over, you know, raped over the colds. 622 00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:03,080 Speaker 1: For now, with respect to Ross a little bit differently, right, 623 00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:05,160 Speaker 1: I think the NFL heard the cries of people like 624 00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:08,080 Speaker 1: myself that were like, where is the written report for Snyder? 625 00:30:08,520 --> 00:30:11,120 Speaker 1: And they issued a real written report, of scathing report. 626 00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:13,200 Speaker 1: Mind you, As to what Ross did, they said, He's 627 00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:15,680 Speaker 1: never know. Goodell said he's never seen tampering allegations like 628 00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:19,840 Speaker 1: this in NFL history, right, We're talking about also bribery allegations, 629 00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:23,000 Speaker 1: you know, Brian Floores claiming that Stephen Ross offered him 630 00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:25,360 Speaker 1: a hundred thousand dollars a game to lose on purpose. 631 00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:29,960 Speaker 1: So you know, I actually think relative to what other 632 00:30:30,040 --> 00:30:33,080 Speaker 1: owners have gotten, Ross Scott at the worst. So should 633 00:30:33,080 --> 00:30:36,240 Speaker 1: should Ross be getting more, you know, compared to other players. Yeah, 634 00:30:36,320 --> 00:30:38,640 Speaker 1: I think that's totally fair. But with respect to other owners, 635 00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:41,800 Speaker 1: it's kind of an unprecedented punishment in the owner's circles, 636 00:30:41,840 --> 00:30:45,000 Speaker 1: which it shouldn't be right that that owners kind of 637 00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:47,280 Speaker 1: get slapped on the risk and players get suspended for 638 00:30:47,320 --> 00:30:51,800 Speaker 1: a year for sixteen parlays. But in with respect to owners, 639 00:30:51,840 --> 00:30:53,560 Speaker 1: I do think Ross scot it on the on the 640 00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:56,440 Speaker 1: more serious end of that spectrum. I don't want to 641 00:30:56,480 --> 00:30:58,320 Speaker 1: make this ratio, but I'm good at with the question 642 00:30:58,600 --> 00:31:02,880 Speaker 1: um rich billion their white guy in Snyder rich billionaire 643 00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:07,080 Speaker 1: white guy in um Craft both skape and then you've 644 00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:10,840 Speaker 1: got the black quarterback, um who gets six games after 645 00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:15,160 Speaker 1: sitting out all the last season. Um you mentioned the 646 00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:17,360 Speaker 1: world optics earlier. What are the optics on that? Dan? 647 00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:20,160 Speaker 1: You know, I think it's a fair question, But truthfully, 648 00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:22,360 Speaker 1: I think it's really an owners and player issue, right 649 00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:24,440 Speaker 1: because we can look at a guy like Roethlisberger who 650 00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:27,600 Speaker 1: was publicly shamed by you know Goodell earlier in his 651 00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:29,560 Speaker 1: tenure wrote him a long letter that he needs to 652 00:31:29,560 --> 00:31:32,560 Speaker 1: seek mental health counseling for whatever Roethlisberger was going through 653 00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:34,920 Speaker 1: at the time. I do think there is a very 654 00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:39,080 Speaker 1: uh stark contrast as to owners and players, And if 655 00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:41,440 Speaker 1: you just read the history of the NFL, owners theory 656 00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:43,400 Speaker 1: right should be held to a higher standard to the 657 00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:46,080 Speaker 1: only team the face of the franchise. Players come and 658 00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:48,640 Speaker 1: go guys go to free agency, guys get traded. The 659 00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:51,480 Speaker 1: constant is that owner, and they seem to be held 660 00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:54,600 Speaker 1: to a lower standard. Right, you can, in theory, right, 661 00:31:54,760 --> 00:31:58,400 Speaker 1: have allegations around you that you bribed a coach, right 662 00:31:58,560 --> 00:32:01,520 Speaker 1: on an African American coach, Brian Flores, to lose games 663 00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:03,680 Speaker 1: on purpose. The NFL, Right, if you looked at that 664 00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:07,320 Speaker 1: investigation report very closely, they actually found that that that 665 00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:10,520 Speaker 1: at least in some sense, that Stephen Ross uttered those words, 666 00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:13,560 Speaker 1: and he said it on multiple occasion. Yeah, I don't know, 667 00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:15,480 Speaker 1: Let's give him six games. You're back in October. Don't 668 00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:17,520 Speaker 1: worry about it, Steve. Not not a big deal. I 669 00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:20,160 Speaker 1: think it's very light. If we're looking at what punishment 670 00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:22,760 Speaker 1: should be, what Calvin really did is much less serious 671 00:32:22,760 --> 00:32:26,200 Speaker 1: than what Stephen Ross did is. And there's no comparison. Man, 672 00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:29,120 Speaker 1: all right, Dan, that's good stuff. I hope it doesn't 673 00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:32,240 Speaker 1: sound like I'm advocating for fewer games for Watson. I 674 00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:35,800 Speaker 1: think six is reasonable, especially given the two grand juries. 675 00:32:36,280 --> 00:32:39,400 Speaker 1: Um and again, the owners, I think they should get 676 00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:41,200 Speaker 1: the same punishment that the players get, and they're just 677 00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:43,920 Speaker 1: not because I guess what Goodell works for those guys. 678 00:32:44,320 --> 00:32:46,320 Speaker 1: You know before before people yell at me, I should 679 00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:49,320 Speaker 1: give you the preface to like, I think six games 680 00:32:49,680 --> 00:32:52,680 Speaker 1: is an okay punishment, right if we're just looking your precedent. 681 00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:54,640 Speaker 1: But if for the judge to find that four counts 682 00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:56,440 Speaker 1: of sexual assault occurred and then to give a game 683 00:32:56,480 --> 00:32:58,760 Speaker 1: and a half per suspension just with her own logic, 684 00:32:58,840 --> 00:33:00,880 Speaker 1: it doesn't make sense. So that's that's really my issue 685 00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:03,760 Speaker 1: on the legal side. Six games, if that's the final number, sure, 686 00:33:04,080 --> 00:33:06,120 Speaker 1: but the math that that it took her to get there, 687 00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:08,400 Speaker 1: to me, it doesn't make sense. Yeah, it's like the 688 00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:10,920 Speaker 1: kid who doesn't show his show your work and how 689 00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:12,640 Speaker 1: you got the answer here and you can't show it 690 00:33:14,840 --> 00:33:16,960 Speaker 1: point you got to maybe the right maybe the right answer, 691 00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:19,840 Speaker 1: all right? Dan Lust sports attorney. Check out his podcast 692 00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:23,360 Speaker 1: Conduct Detrimental Geez NFL is giving you a lot of fodder. 693 00:33:23,480 --> 00:33:26,400 Speaker 1: Huh NFL PGA tour. It's so busy work in the 694 00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:27,880 Speaker 1: world of sport p g A. Yeah, we didn't even 695 00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:31,320 Speaker 1: get to the live tour. Um jeez, I I can't 696 00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:34,160 Speaker 1: get too worked up about that. Um as as like, 697 00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:37,480 Speaker 1: I consider myself a career underdog and I think you know, 698 00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:40,520 Speaker 1: competition is good and healthy. Are they doing it the 699 00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:43,040 Speaker 1: right way. I don't know, but I think ultimately this 700 00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:45,840 Speaker 1: will make the PGA Tour better. Would you agree, Dan? 701 00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:48,600 Speaker 1: It will make it better, But there's also that potential 702 00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:53,280 Speaker 1: that the pur ceases to exist, so you know, but 703 00:33:53,480 --> 00:33:55,960 Speaker 1: you know, yeah, yeah, that's very negative. All right, Dan Loss, 704 00:33:55,960 --> 00:33:58,000 Speaker 1: good stuff man, Thanks a lot, dann Hey always a pleasure, 705 00:33:58,000 --> 00:33:58,960 Speaker 1: Happy to come on any time