WEBVTT - #658 Packers Unscripted: First impressions 0:00:03.440 --> 0:00:11.040 Hi, everybody. Welcome to another edition of Packers Unscripted from 0:00:11.039 --> 0:00:14.560 Packers dot Com. I am Mike Spofford, joined as always 0:00:14.560 --> 0:00:17.079 by my trusted colleague West and Hodkoitz. We're coming to 0:00:17.120 --> 0:00:20.599 you here from our studios at lambeau Field West. One 0:00:20.840 --> 0:00:23.840 practice of training camp is in the books as we 0:00:24.440 --> 0:00:27.720 record this episode, and I want to start this one 0:00:27.920 --> 0:00:29.920 sort of picking up where we left off on our 0:00:30.000 --> 0:00:33.720 last episode, because two major topics that we talked about 0:00:34.680 --> 0:00:37.200 heading into training camp were with regard to the fact 0:00:37.200 --> 0:00:40.199 that David Batr and Elton Jenkins would not be practicing 0:00:40.240 --> 0:00:44.159 on the offensive line, and that Christian Watson and Sammy 0:00:44.240 --> 0:00:48.440 Watkins would also not be starting to practice just yet 0:00:48.560 --> 0:00:51.520 at the wide receiver position. We were wondering what would 0:00:51.640 --> 0:00:55.640 be happening with those two position groups, and the early 0:00:55.720 --> 0:01:00.160 answer is that on the offensive line, Jake hands And 0:01:00.480 --> 0:01:03.800 is running with the ones as the starting right guard 0:01:03.880 --> 0:01:08.720 for now, and at wide receiver, Jowan Winfrey was in 0:01:08.760 --> 0:01:12.560 the huddle with the starters for a considerable amount of 0:01:12.600 --> 0:01:16.440 the first team reps in the first practice. So start 0:01:16.440 --> 0:01:18.360 wherever you'd like. I'll toss it over to you to 0:01:18.440 --> 0:01:21.920 get your thoughts on those early developments here in camp. Well, 0:01:21.920 --> 0:01:23.600 we'll start the offensive line because I think there's a 0:01:23.600 --> 0:01:24.880 lot of different ways you and I can go with 0:01:24.920 --> 0:01:27.559 the receivers here in a moment. But the Jake Hanson 0:01:27.560 --> 0:01:29.839 thing is interesting because the Packers have had six weeks 0:01:29.880 --> 0:01:32.440 to think about this. We saw the alignment during the 0:01:32.480 --> 0:01:35.560 off season program. Most of it was Yashneiman at left 0:01:35.560 --> 0:01:37.759 tackle and Cole van Land in the sixth round pick 0:01:37.800 --> 0:01:40.760 from two years ago over at right tackle. They made 0:01:40.760 --> 0:01:44.319 that adjustment. Now Royce Newman is bumping out to right tackle. 0:01:44.440 --> 0:01:46.959 The conversation you and I had earlier this week about 0:01:47.000 --> 0:01:49.600 where you slot him, but Jake Hanson is the first 0:01:49.640 --> 0:01:51.560 one up. Now. That doesn't surprise me in terms of 0:01:51.560 --> 0:01:53.560 the rookies. Typically they're not going to push them into 0:01:53.560 --> 0:01:56.160 that spot. But this is a million dollar opportunity for 0:01:56.280 --> 0:01:59.000 Jake Hanson. Question. This is the guy that was basically 0:01:59.000 --> 0:02:01.560 a four year starter at center for Oregon. He has 0:02:01.640 --> 0:02:04.680 that hip type injury whatever it was his rookie season. 0:02:04.720 --> 0:02:07.040 He doesn't make the roster. He's on the practice squad 0:02:07.040 --> 0:02:09.760 all season. He has the operation. It was on the 0:02:09.800 --> 0:02:11.560 fifty three all last year. I don't think a lot 0:02:11.560 --> 0:02:15.520 of people realize that, and he's kind of sort he's 0:02:15.520 --> 0:02:17.840 like been the opposite of of Lucas Patrick in a way, 0:02:17.840 --> 0:02:21.120 and where Lucas was a guard at Duke and they 0:02:21.120 --> 0:02:23.720 transition him to being a center, Hansen's had to do 0:02:23.760 --> 0:02:26.560 more and more guard the last two years. So the 0:02:26.600 --> 0:02:28.920 Packers need that type of player. They need a guy 0:02:29.000 --> 0:02:32.400 that can be an interior potential starter, but also give 0:02:32.480 --> 0:02:35.040 them some flexibility as a backup to Josh Meyers, who 0:02:35.080 --> 0:02:37.040 missed eleven games last year. You never know when you 0:02:37.240 --> 0:02:40.240 need to call upon that person. Zack Tom was moving 0:02:40.280 --> 0:02:43.400 around at left tackle, he played some guard, you know. 0:02:43.440 --> 0:02:45.320 It really seemed like the focus there was with Sean 0:02:45.400 --> 0:02:48.320 Ryan at right guard. So they're gonna allow these young 0:02:48.320 --> 0:02:50.480 guys to to sort of develop and come along. But 0:02:50.760 --> 0:02:53.240 from right out of the gate, Jake Hansen's getting that 0:02:53.320 --> 0:02:55.600 chance there to run with the first team unit. Yeah, 0:02:55.600 --> 0:02:57.960 and just to clarify, that first team unit on the 0:02:58.000 --> 0:03:02.240 offensive line left to right was Josh Naiman, John Runyon, 0:03:02.520 --> 0:03:05.919 Josh Meyers in the middle, than Jake Hansen and Royce 0:03:05.960 --> 0:03:08.840 Newman on the right side, and also Hansen working as 0:03:08.880 --> 0:03:11.560 the center with the number two units. So when you 0:03:11.600 --> 0:03:15.320 talk about an opportunity for a guy to uh to 0:03:15.400 --> 0:03:18.639 not only make the roster at a very crowded position 0:03:18.680 --> 0:03:22.040 when everybody's healthy, um, but the potentially you know, work 0:03:22.120 --> 0:03:25.079 his way into into a more I guess you'd say 0:03:25.160 --> 0:03:29.480 a more elevated role even if when everybody's healthy, Jake 0:03:29.520 --> 0:03:31.840 Hanson might be a backup when it's all said and done, 0:03:32.080 --> 0:03:34.960 but a more elevated role in sort of that next 0:03:35.000 --> 0:03:38.720 man up hierarchy with with how this shakes out. And yes, 0:03:38.760 --> 0:03:40.880 we don't know exactly when bok T is going to 0:03:40.920 --> 0:03:43.760 be back. We continue to see Elton Jenkins working with 0:03:43.800 --> 0:03:46.160 the rehab group as expected for an a c L 0:03:46.240 --> 0:03:49.440 that occurred in in mid November, but at some point 0:03:49.520 --> 0:03:51.880 the Packers are hoping to be back at full strength 0:03:52.160 --> 0:03:54.000 on the offensive line, and it's going to be very 0:03:54.040 --> 0:03:57.240 interesting to see just how all the dominoes line up 0:03:57.280 --> 0:03:59.720 at that point. Yeah, and as you said, there very 0:03:59.760 --> 0:04:01.400 well couldn't be that Jake Hanson ends up as a 0:04:01.400 --> 0:04:03.480 backup where you look at a situation like last year 0:04:03.520 --> 0:04:05.920 where you know, Royce Newman comes out of nowhere after 0:04:05.960 --> 0:04:08.440 being in the competition at at right tackle to end 0:04:08.480 --> 0:04:10.920 up being the starting guard two weeks into camp. John 0:04:11.000 --> 0:04:13.560 Runyon didn't start the opener, but then Lucas Patrick has 0:04:13.560 --> 0:04:15.760 the concussion against the Saints and he's the left guard 0:04:15.800 --> 0:04:18.080 the rest of the season. Yeah, so you never know 0:04:18.160 --> 0:04:20.800 how the dominoes are gonna fall. Just the fact that 0:04:20.839 --> 0:04:24.560 Hansen's getting this shot right away. Again, you're looking to 0:04:24.600 --> 0:04:26.400 hold serve if your hands and you're looking to tell 0:04:26.400 --> 0:04:29.080 the Packers, yes, you've drafted these guys, but but I 0:04:29.120 --> 0:04:32.760 can handle this job too. Yeah. Absolutely, Well. Add wide 0:04:32.760 --> 0:04:37.919 receiver as mentioned, Jowan Winfrey was in there with the 0:04:38.279 --> 0:04:40.680 with the starting offense and it didn't take long. I 0:04:40.720 --> 0:04:44.600 believe it was the second eleven on eleven period of practice. 0:04:45.120 --> 0:04:47.560 Winfrey was lined up split out to the right one 0:04:47.560 --> 0:04:50.599 on one against Eric Stokes and it was clearly clearly 0:04:50.720 --> 0:04:53.560 single coverage based on the way the defense was lined up, 0:04:54.080 --> 0:04:56.800 and uh and Aaron Rodgers gave him the go route. 0:04:57.120 --> 0:05:00.400 He uh, he took off Eric Stokes had he darn 0:05:00.440 --> 0:05:04.159 good coverage on the play. Um Rogers through a perfect ball. 0:05:04.200 --> 0:05:08.040 Winfrey made a diving catch, really really impressive play and 0:05:08.040 --> 0:05:11.039 and Uh both those players talked about it afterward in 0:05:11.040 --> 0:05:14.320 the locker room. It was a moment of Rogers where 0:05:14.480 --> 0:05:17.080 he was sending a message to Winfrey like all right, 0:05:17.120 --> 0:05:19.520 you know, I I trust you here. Let's get let's 0:05:19.520 --> 0:05:23.359 get this done right and uh. And it was Winfrey 0:05:24.279 --> 0:05:27.840 feeling that boost of confidence from that trust from the 0:05:27.920 --> 0:05:30.600 quarterback that all right, this guy, this guy's got my back, 0:05:30.720 --> 0:05:33.520 he's you know, and I'm gonna come through for him. 0:05:33.560 --> 0:05:36.680 I thought the Almaz Art catch, which we'll talk about 0:05:36.680 --> 0:05:39.919 in a minute, was definitely the highlight reel of highlight 0:05:39.960 --> 0:05:42.520 reel plays of the first practice. But I wrote about 0:05:42.640 --> 0:05:46.040 the fact that I thought the most important play, if 0:05:46.040 --> 0:05:49.120 you want to talk big picture here, the most important 0:05:49.160 --> 0:05:51.279 play of the first day of practice in my mind 0:05:51.720 --> 0:05:54.119 was the deep ball to Winfrey. It was Mike because 0:05:54.120 --> 0:05:56.960 of what it means for Jowan Winfrey, Alan's Art. Certainly, 0:05:57.000 --> 0:05:59.120 that's a play that happened. We'll talk about in a second. 0:05:59.520 --> 0:06:01.560 Aaron Rod just will be thinking about that week three 0:06:01.560 --> 0:06:03.919 if that type of defensive alignment works out and he 0:06:03.960 --> 0:06:06.760 needs to give his guy a chance. But ultimately, Winfrey 0:06:06.800 --> 0:06:08.400 is the type of guy that needs to make plays 0:06:08.440 --> 0:06:10.919 to make this team. And Mike, we've seen it for 0:06:10.960 --> 0:06:14.640 two off seasons. He he really had that coming out party. 0:06:14.680 --> 0:06:16.120 I would I would put him up there as one 0:06:16.120 --> 0:06:17.960 of the m v p s. Him and Jordan's love. 0:06:18.000 --> 0:06:20.240 They had a synergy going on there. But then he 0:06:20.320 --> 0:06:23.480 hurts the hamstring. He isn't able to play in the preseason. Yeah, 0:06:23.520 --> 0:06:25.960 it knocked him out of the out of action for 0:06:26.000 --> 0:06:28.440 an extended period of time. Yeah. If this guy is 0:06:28.480 --> 0:06:30.600 just able to get to that first preseason game in 0:06:30.640 --> 0:06:32.960 San Francisco, I'm really excited to see what he can do. 0:06:33.680 --> 0:06:35.520 Good size for the position, you know, he had a 0:06:35.520 --> 0:06:37.440 good makeup. I believe he was a six round pick 0:06:37.520 --> 0:06:39.840 or somewhere around the sixth round pick by the Broncos 0:06:39.839 --> 0:06:42.800 in Yeah, so it's not like this guy's just completely 0:06:42.839 --> 0:06:44.919 coming out of nowhere. But it's just a matter of 0:06:44.960 --> 0:06:47.280 if he can stay healthy and keep making the most 0:06:47.320 --> 0:06:49.720 of these opportunities. One of the reasons I wanted to 0:06:49.720 --> 0:06:52.279 delay the conversation with the receivers is because it goes 0:06:52.320 --> 0:06:54.279 back to something Aaron Rodgers said in the group huddle 0:06:54.279 --> 0:06:57.159 you were with him and Tom Clements, the Packers quarterbacks coach, 0:06:57.240 --> 0:06:59.839 longtime assistant. He's not the type of guy that's sitting 0:06:59.880 --> 0:07:02.120 there doing like dabs and like you know, pattent guys 0:07:02.120 --> 0:07:04.839 on the back it's pretty stoic individual. But after that, 0:07:04.880 --> 0:07:06.600 in addition to kind of cracking a smile at a 0:07:06.640 --> 0:07:09.760 few points, given Rogers a fist pump. Aaron Rodgers doesn't 0:07:09.800 --> 0:07:11.320 have the day that he did coming out of the 0:07:11.360 --> 0:07:13.960 gates if his receivers aren't making plays for him. And 0:07:14.000 --> 0:07:16.800 whether it was Winfrey, whether it was Romeo Dobbs and 0:07:16.840 --> 0:07:19.520 Samari too Ray, two rookies that have come in and Mike, 0:07:19.520 --> 0:07:22.480 I've said it time and time again. They have not blanked. 0:07:22.520 --> 0:07:25.000 These guys have made every opportunity that has been presented 0:07:25.040 --> 0:07:27.560 to them. And again, I'm not saying that means it's 0:07:27.560 --> 0:07:29.800 gonna lead to a hundred forty yards in the opener, 0:07:30.200 --> 0:07:32.680 but I do I've said it time and time again, 0:07:32.680 --> 0:07:34.920 and that we know what it's like when a rookie 0:07:34.920 --> 0:07:36.600 doesn't go out there and make plays. When you start 0:07:36.640 --> 0:07:38.200 to get two or three weeks in the camp and 0:07:38.200 --> 0:07:40.640 you really haven't noticed a guy yet. Both of those 0:07:40.640 --> 0:07:43.920 guys have gotten themselves noticed since the very beginning, and 0:07:44.000 --> 0:07:46.920 going back to Alan Lazard, there really is nothing more 0:07:46.920 --> 0:07:49.440 than you can say about this guy that catch, and 0:07:49.480 --> 0:07:51.040 you can do the blow by blow hunt it if 0:07:51.040 --> 0:07:54.440 you want it. Reminded me so much. Yes, of the 0:07:54.440 --> 0:07:59.720 Antonio Freeman that he's going to the ground two years ago, Yeah, 0:07:59.760 --> 0:08:01.560 the all kind of kicks off his leg and it 0:08:01.640 --> 0:08:04.280 ends up in his hands. But more and more that 0:08:04.440 --> 0:08:07.200 I see on Lazard the comp that I start drawing 0:08:07.240 --> 0:08:10.720 as Jordy Nelson because the way that he can utilize 0:08:10.800 --> 0:08:14.239 his body and can toward himself and make the point 0:08:14.360 --> 0:08:17.240 that the catch at the high point that I think 0:08:17.320 --> 0:08:20.200 is ultimately what his real hidden strength is, and I 0:08:20.280 --> 0:08:22.080 think you're going to see more of it this season 0:08:22.120 --> 0:08:25.920 with more targets. Ann Lazard is a professional football player. 0:08:26.000 --> 0:08:28.440 He's been a guy that has been a stud since 0:08:28.520 --> 0:08:31.120 high school and for whatever reason that led to him 0:08:31.160 --> 0:08:34.480 being undrafted free agent three years ago, this guy, I 0:08:34.520 --> 0:08:37.480 think is steadily proven that, you know what, everything I 0:08:37.480 --> 0:08:40.040 did at Iowa State, everything I did back in Urban Dale, 0:08:40.280 --> 0:08:42.560 this can translate to the National Football League, and Aaron 0:08:42.600 --> 0:08:45.880 Rodgers certainly has trusted him. Yeah, the um the deep 0:08:45.880 --> 0:08:50.120 ball to Lazard was it really was quite a highlight. 0:08:50.160 --> 0:08:52.080 I mean it was it was essentially almost like a 0:08:52.200 --> 0:08:54.560 jump ball deep down the middle of the field. It 0:08:54.640 --> 0:08:57.560 was Lazard against Adrian Amos, and Amos was in a 0:08:57.720 --> 0:09:00.319 good position as you could could be as as a 0:09:00.360 --> 0:09:02.600 safety trying to guard against a deep ball like that, 0:09:03.400 --> 0:09:06.640 but obviously Lazard is six ft five. He was able 0:09:06.679 --> 0:09:08.800 to out jump him to make the first contact with 0:09:08.880 --> 0:09:11.160 the ball, and then in kind of the the the 0:09:11.240 --> 0:09:14.320 jockeying and the fighting and the ball being deflected and everything, 0:09:14.600 --> 0:09:17.920 it eventually deflected off of off of Lazard's leg and 0:09:17.960 --> 0:09:20.680 then he was still able to grab it soccer background 0:09:20.880 --> 0:09:23.400 as he was as he was falling to the ground. 0:09:23.800 --> 0:09:26.160 But here's the thing. As big a highlight as that was, 0:09:26.200 --> 0:09:28.000 and it's always fun to see a play like that, 0:09:28.120 --> 0:09:31.600 especially on the first day of practice, I thought the 0:09:31.679 --> 0:09:35.560 more telling play, perhaps with regard to Lazard, and I 0:09:35.600 --> 0:09:38.320 know you know what I'm about to say here was 0:09:38.600 --> 0:09:41.280 when Aaron Rodgers got the defense to jump offside and 0:09:41.360 --> 0:09:43.760 had a free play in the eleven on eleven where'd 0:09:43.760 --> 0:09:46.920 the ball go to? Allen Lazard, number thirteen was the 0:09:46.920 --> 0:09:49.400 guy to make the play, you know, just a simple 0:09:49.559 --> 0:09:52.760 you know, route over the middle and whatnot. But uh, um, 0:09:52.880 --> 0:09:54.959 but when Rodgers had a free play, his eyes were 0:09:54.960 --> 0:09:57.680 going to number thirteen. There, I thought that was And 0:09:57.760 --> 0:10:01.240 again it's one day, um, and I should say to 0:10:01.280 --> 0:10:03.480 follow up also on what you said, We saw some 0:10:03.600 --> 0:10:06.960 really good moments on the first day from Amari Rodgers, 0:10:07.040 --> 0:10:11.360 from Romeo Dobbs, from Samari to with those guys, you're looking, Okay, 0:10:11.400 --> 0:10:14.000 can they start stacking days now? Right? Can they? Can 0:10:14.040 --> 0:10:17.280 they put him together? Can they string together multiple good 0:10:17.280 --> 0:10:20.920 practices and then and work their way up instead of 0:10:20.920 --> 0:10:23.840 getting the occasional rep with Aaron Rodgers to maybe get 0:10:23.840 --> 0:10:26.120 more and more reps with Rogers because those guys were 0:10:26.120 --> 0:10:29.240 catching passes from all the different quarterbacks on day one. 0:10:29.720 --> 0:10:32.360 But uh, but Lizard for him to have the day 0:10:32.360 --> 0:10:35.200 one that he had when he was gone the entire offseason, 0:10:35.400 --> 0:10:38.640 was not here, did not sign his restricted free agent tender, 0:10:38.679 --> 0:10:41.240 so he wasn't even here for the mandatory minicamp because 0:10:41.240 --> 0:10:44.000 he didn't have to be. He wasn't technically under contract. 0:10:44.760 --> 0:10:47.720 He made that, you know, that was that was his 0:10:47.800 --> 0:10:50.439 own personal decision to kind of keep his off season 0:10:50.520 --> 0:10:52.880 to himself. And then uh, and then the first day here, 0:10:52.960 --> 0:10:55.440 he he shows up and really balls out at at 0:10:55.520 --> 0:10:57.400 Nichiki Field. That was impressed. Well, and I know so 0:10:57.520 --> 0:10:59.240 much has been made of the off season program, not 0:10:59.280 --> 0:11:01.760 just in Green Bay, but veterans taken part through across 0:11:01.840 --> 0:11:04.600 the league. When you see Lazard come back in the 0:11:04.600 --> 0:11:06.720 shape that he's in, though in the shape that Aaron 0:11:06.800 --> 0:11:10.040 Rodgers came back in. I mean, Mercedes Lewis, these guys 0:11:10.080 --> 0:11:12.360 put in the time. They know their bodies, they know 0:11:12.440 --> 0:11:15.720 their process, and I understand Matt Lafleur said it. You know, 0:11:15.760 --> 0:11:17.360 you want to have as many guys as you want 0:11:17.440 --> 0:11:20.079 during those nine weeks. You want all of them here. Uh. 0:11:20.440 --> 0:11:23.720 But I get the veteran's perspective on this. I understand 0:11:23.720 --> 0:11:26.960 the season's got one week longer now. I mean it's 0:11:27.000 --> 0:11:28.800 getting eat more and more. You and I were figuring 0:11:28.800 --> 0:11:30.920 that out. We were trying to figure out our PTO schedule. 0:11:31.320 --> 0:11:35.800 It's not it goes by fast. So for Lazard, you know, 0:11:35.960 --> 0:11:38.440 to be able to come back here, be in the 0:11:38.480 --> 0:11:41.160 shape that he's in, and then play and practice to 0:11:41.200 --> 0:11:43.640 the level in which he did, I think it shows 0:11:43.640 --> 0:11:45.120 that he put his time in good use. He went 0:11:45.120 --> 0:11:48.280 back to Iowa State, worked out with his his college coach. 0:11:48.360 --> 0:11:50.880 I mean, just just really focused on himself here and 0:11:50.920 --> 0:11:53.920 what is going to be a critical you know, two 0:11:54.400 --> 0:11:57.280 two thousand two seasons, Yeah, no question about it. 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You mentioned the return of Tom 0:12:25.840 --> 0:12:30.560 Clements as Aaron Rodgers position coach, and just when you 0:12:30.679 --> 0:12:37.000 thought perhaps Aaron Rodgers head exhausted all avenues for motivation, right, 0:12:37.559 --> 0:12:41.319 a guy who's entering his eighteenth season in the NFL, 0:12:41.440 --> 0:12:45.280 this is his eighteen training camp. How does a guy 0:12:45.360 --> 0:12:48.120 like that motivate himself to go out there? You know 0:12:48.240 --> 0:12:51.120 through You know, we're not even to the dog days yet, 0:12:51.160 --> 0:12:53.000 but for a guy like that, it's, you know, sort 0:12:53.040 --> 0:12:56.040 of everything maybe can feel like a dog day of 0:12:56.080 --> 0:12:59.000 summer when you've been doing this for so long. What 0:12:59.160 --> 0:13:02.840 is Aaron Rodgers tell reporters after practice when he gets 0:13:02.880 --> 0:13:05.679 that fist bump from Tom Clements for what turned out 0:13:05.720 --> 0:13:08.000 to be a pretty good day for the offense on 0:13:08.120 --> 0:13:10.679 day one and he and he said, yeah, those uh, 0:13:10.840 --> 0:13:14.960 those types of compliments from Tom clements can be difficult 0:13:14.960 --> 0:13:17.120 to come by. And he said, I wanted to show 0:13:17.280 --> 0:13:20.080 my old coach that I still had it right. That 0:13:20.200 --> 0:13:23.719 He's like, hey, coach, like I can still play right. 0:13:23.840 --> 0:13:26.880 And it was partly tongue in cheek, but yet in 0:13:26.920 --> 0:13:33.000 some ways not because because Rogers does find different avenues, 0:13:33.080 --> 0:13:36.319 find different ways to motivate himself to keep his level 0:13:36.320 --> 0:13:39.640 of play, even on just day one of Harvard many 0:13:39.720 --> 0:13:43.720 days training camp is going to last year. Um, and 0:13:43.760 --> 0:13:45.480 he did, and he did have a good day. It 0:13:45.559 --> 0:13:47.920 was it was impressive what the offense did. Now that 0:13:47.960 --> 0:13:51.680 being said, Rogers also said, hey, this is a darn 0:13:51.720 --> 0:13:54.600 good defense the Green May Packers have, and they're going 0:13:54.640 --> 0:13:57.199 to be some days in this camp during the installs, mate, 0:13:57.240 --> 0:13:59.520 whether it's during third down or red zone or the 0:13:59.559 --> 0:14:02.200 other city stuational periods they do. He says, we're going 0:14:02.240 --> 0:14:04.640 to take our lumps on offense because this defense is 0:14:04.720 --> 0:14:06.719 darn good. They're going to be days where they get 0:14:06.760 --> 0:14:09.120 the best of us. And he said, and that's going 0:14:09.160 --> 0:14:12.160 to be good for us as well, because as as 0:14:12.160 --> 0:14:15.120 this offense is making the transition to you know, a 0:14:15.160 --> 0:14:18.040 new receiving corps working in these guys on the offensive 0:14:18.080 --> 0:14:20.800 line who are filling in while other guys are out 0:14:21.640 --> 0:14:24.080 dealing with that kind of adversity and kind of getting 0:14:24.120 --> 0:14:26.440 it handed to them here and there from the defense, 0:14:26.480 --> 0:14:28.680 which Rogers does expect to happen, is going to be 0:14:28.720 --> 0:14:31.200 good for them in the long run. So the give 0:14:31.240 --> 0:14:33.720 and take here between the between this offense and this 0:14:33.840 --> 0:14:35.800 defense over the course of training camp is going to 0:14:35.840 --> 0:14:38.200 be fun to watch. Al Lazard said it too. I mean, 0:14:38.360 --> 0:14:41.200 not only just for him, these rookies, they're gonna be 0:14:41.240 --> 0:14:42.920 going up against one of the best secondaries of the 0:14:42.960 --> 0:14:45.360 National Football League for the next month. They're gonna see 0:14:45.400 --> 0:14:47.640 him day in day o jr. Alexander is a measuring 0:14:47.680 --> 0:14:51.480 stick for cornerback play right now in this league. Russell Douglas. 0:14:51.560 --> 0:14:53.480 I mean what he did last year and the fact 0:14:53.480 --> 0:14:56.200 that you know he's already aspiring for another five, six 0:14:56.240 --> 0:14:59.040 seven interceptions this season. And as you said, a guy 0:14:59.080 --> 0:15:00.880 like Eric Stokes that's men as young as he isn't 0:15:00.880 --> 0:15:02.920 being able to make the impact. They are going to 0:15:02.960 --> 0:15:06.040 take their lumps. I think what's most exciting for me 0:15:06.280 --> 0:15:09.160 watching this defense right now is I'm not saying you 0:15:09.160 --> 0:15:11.320 can just roll the ball out there and they're gonna 0:15:11.360 --> 0:15:15.320 just dominate everything. But this is the one time where 0:15:16.400 --> 0:15:18.840 in my time covering the defense and covering this team 0:15:18.840 --> 0:15:22.800 where I went out there and I looked and when 0:15:22.800 --> 0:15:25.280 they put out their first package, especially once Dean Lowry 0:15:25.280 --> 0:15:29.720 started practicing, I was like, where's the whole? I mean, 0:15:29.840 --> 0:15:33.080 you look at it across the board with with you know, 0:15:33.200 --> 0:15:36.520 kway Walker in there now too. You gotta stay healthy. 0:15:36.760 --> 0:15:42.320 Guys have to perform, but it's complete. If you're playing 0:15:42.360 --> 0:15:44.680 Madden and you're trying to build out your defense, you're 0:15:44.720 --> 0:15:47.720 starting eleven. The Packers got it. And the thing that's 0:15:47.760 --> 0:15:49.680 scary about it is they got young guys behind that. 0:15:49.760 --> 0:15:53.360 I'm not talking about Davonte Wyatt right now. Ten years ago. 0:15:53.760 --> 0:15:56.480 Packers draft a defensive line in the first round. That's 0:15:56.520 --> 0:15:59.520 the story the first day of practice because they needed 0:15:59.520 --> 0:16:02.240 somebody to step up there. Colin Jenkins left, who's going 0:16:02.280 --> 0:16:05.960 to replace him? Packers are deep man and and seeing 0:16:06.000 --> 0:16:08.280 how that defense performs. And again there will be give 0:16:08.320 --> 0:16:10.440 and take between the offense and defense throughout camp, but 0:16:11.320 --> 0:16:16.080 that unit, if they're ready week one. I I just 0:16:16.160 --> 0:16:19.760 I think it's it's a huge cliche, but this guy 0:16:19.800 --> 0:16:22.120 truly is the limit for where that group could go. Yeah, 0:16:22.200 --> 0:16:25.120 I I agree with you, and yes, you cross your 0:16:25.120 --> 0:16:28.520 fingers for good health and uh. And with regard to 0:16:28.880 --> 0:16:31.360 you know, a young guy like Kay Walker, a guy 0:16:31.400 --> 0:16:33.320 like DeVante Wide who we know is going to be 0:16:33.360 --> 0:16:35.960 in the rotation, a second year guy like Eric Stokes, 0:16:36.280 --> 0:16:38.320 you just hope that all of the all of that 0:16:38.440 --> 0:16:41.960 cohesion with those younger guys and the veteran players, because 0:16:41.960 --> 0:16:44.520 that is that is quite the veteran defense. When you're 0:16:44.520 --> 0:16:49.240 talking about Jaire Alexandra Adrian, name is Preston Smith, Devandre Campbell. 0:16:49.280 --> 0:16:51.800 I mean there is there is a ton of NFL 0:16:51.880 --> 0:16:55.880 experience and quality NFL experience on that defense with a 0:16:55.920 --> 0:16:59.080 lot of young up and coming talent and if it 0:16:59.120 --> 0:17:01.320 comes together right, you know, and that's what this training 0:17:01.320 --> 0:17:03.680 campus for is all these reps the guys are going 0:17:03.720 --> 0:17:06.240 to get day after day after day on the practice 0:17:06.280 --> 0:17:09.840 field pads are not um. That's where you're you're hoping 0:17:09.840 --> 0:17:12.159 it comes together from a cohesion standpoint, and then in 0:17:12.240 --> 0:17:14.240 week one, this is this is going to be the 0:17:14.359 --> 0:17:16.200 unit that is that is ready to roll from the 0:17:16.240 --> 0:17:18.560 get go and look at the player acquisition phase of 0:17:18.600 --> 0:17:22.560 this right. Eric Stokes shows you why the draft matters, 0:17:22.600 --> 0:17:24.920 why it matters to hit on your first round draft picks. 0:17:25.480 --> 0:17:28.920 Chris Barnes shows you why it's great to find undrafted rookies, 0:17:28.960 --> 0:17:30.800 the diamonds and the rough the guys that got passed 0:17:30.840 --> 0:17:33.359 up two or fifty six times, but still we're there 0:17:33.400 --> 0:17:36.160 and that can prove to be real capable NFL talent. 0:17:36.520 --> 0:17:38.919 It shows you why unrestricted free agency matters when you 0:17:38.920 --> 0:17:41.359 look at a guy like you know, Jaren Reid coming in, 0:17:41.800 --> 0:17:44.840 Adrian Amos on the back end, Preston Smith on the edge, 0:17:44.960 --> 0:17:47.680 and more importantly, as we've talked about time and time again, 0:17:47.720 --> 0:17:51.040 now why street free agency matters. Why when a guy 0:17:51.040 --> 0:17:53.400 like Rasseul Douglas comes in, what he can do, Devandre 0:17:53.480 --> 0:17:55.920 Campbell being still out there in June, why those guys 0:17:55.920 --> 0:17:59.040 are being brought in. The Packers built that defense. It 0:17:59.119 --> 0:18:01.280 wasn't one specific thing. They didn't buy it, they didn't 0:18:01.320 --> 0:18:04.399 draft it, they didn't claim it off waivers. It was 0:18:04.400 --> 0:18:06.280 a sum of the whole. And I think that's why 0:18:06.320 --> 0:18:08.920 the ceiling and why when you get all of that 0:18:09.000 --> 0:18:12.640 to come into alignment, why the potential is so great. Yeah, Well, 0:18:12.680 --> 0:18:15.040 one other topic to touch on before we go, because 0:18:15.080 --> 0:18:18.240 I know a lot of fans are are curious, concern 0:18:18.359 --> 0:18:20.760 whatnot with what's going on. We did get an update 0:18:21.240 --> 0:18:24.240 on David Baktier, the five time All Pro left tackle. 0:18:24.280 --> 0:18:28.119 Brian Goudacounts before the first practice on Wednesday, was asked 0:18:28.160 --> 0:18:31.960 about him. UM a couple of key things that he said. One, 0:18:32.040 --> 0:18:34.800 he was asked whether um he had any concerns that 0:18:34.840 --> 0:18:38.000 Baktr could eventually get back to his All Pro level, 0:18:38.000 --> 0:18:40.439 and he said no, even as long as this layoff 0:18:40.440 --> 0:18:42.200 has been and whatnot, he has all the confidence in 0:18:42.200 --> 0:18:46.639 the world that bat will eventually get there. But the 0:18:46.760 --> 0:18:51.680 reason that this has taken so long is a Gudacoon's 0:18:51.760 --> 0:18:54.240 revealed that this was not just a garden variety a 0:18:54.359 --> 0:18:57.760 c L tear from December of This was a much 0:18:57.800 --> 0:19:03.240 more complicated injury. UM we knew that that bok Tr 0:19:03.440 --> 0:19:06.720 last year had already had a second sort of follow 0:19:06.800 --> 0:19:11.600 up procedure, and then Goudacunts revealed that this past offseason, 0:19:11.640 --> 0:19:15.280 bok Tr he had yet another procedure, and then bak 0:19:15.320 --> 0:19:19.040 Tr he spoke to reporters after practice to uh to 0:19:19.160 --> 0:19:21.760 add a little more clarity to the situation as well. Now, 0:19:21.760 --> 0:19:24.439 he wasn't making any predictions, not giving any timeline as 0:19:24.440 --> 0:19:27.159 far as when he's going to be back, but he 0:19:27.200 --> 0:19:30.000 said three things that I thought were really really important. 0:19:30.160 --> 0:19:33.720 One that he's no longer dealing with the a c L. 0:19:33.840 --> 0:19:35.720 That what's going on with the knee is the is 0:19:35.800 --> 0:19:38.040 other issues now. And he didn't get into the specifics, 0:19:38.040 --> 0:19:39.840