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Speaker 1: last name rhymes with duty, have special guests NBA Badass

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Speaker 1: VET former NBA VET former Kansas Jayhawk Scott Pollard is

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Speaker 1: Tommy loren Fox News reporter Tommy Lorene has finally earned

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Speaker 1: herself a spot on this week's Sick Fox of the Week,

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Speaker 1: and Donald Trump Jr's wife is divorcing his funny looking

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Speaker 1: as all that and more on a smash Mouth Award

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Speaker 1: winning I Am Rapports tereo podcast. Coming up next with G. Moody,

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Speaker 1: last name rhymes with duty, and special guest Scott Pollard.

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Speaker 1: Miles Jordan's Yo. Let me get something real, real funky,

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Speaker 1: because we're about to do something some real nice, some

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Speaker 1: real proper. Let's go all right, that's that funk. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's that funk. Those are those Moody beats? Yes, the

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Speaker 1: show nice, you cook that one up, real nice, real

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Speaker 1: a real proper. Um Moody. How you feel, Mr Moody,

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Speaker 1: I feel good, man, Everything is good. Um, little little

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Speaker 1: dusting of snow, but nothing to uh go crazy about.

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Speaker 1: Not cold. It's okay. Do you smell spring on the way.

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Speaker 1: We're we're at March. We're you know, we're we're at

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Speaker 1: the halfway point of March two. Not yet, not yet.

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Speaker 1: We're still still kind of brick in the morning, so

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Speaker 1: we just gotta weight it out. But we're gonna be

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Speaker 1: there soon a couple of weeks. UM. For those of

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Speaker 1: you who care, UM, my birthday is just around the corner.

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Speaker 1: I just I just want everybody to know that I

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Speaker 1: will be working on my birthday, UM on season two

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Speaker 1: of the Netflix show A Typical Um. And on that

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Speaker 1: same day, I will probably be recording some smash mouth

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Speaker 1: podcasting with g Moody, who's last name rhymes with duty. Um,

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Speaker 1: I will be turning forty eight. I look great, by

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Speaker 1: the way. I I just want to say this, Moody,

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Speaker 1: And also I got a fantastic skincare regimen. I got

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna forget where I started. Sometimes when I'm working

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Speaker 1: with Jennifer Jason Lee and I'm acting with her, and

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Speaker 1: I told her this the other day, I'm like, you're

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Speaker 1: it's why. It's why you do it. It's it is

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Speaker 1: like elation. It's like, you know, if if you're a

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Speaker 1: it's like a it's like an elation. It's like a

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Speaker 1: And and this I'm this is the first. This is

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Speaker 1: G Moody, whose last name rhymes with duty, and all

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Speaker 1: the listeners who I gotta say, I fucking appreciate all

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Speaker 1: of you. Motherfucker's m of course Moody. Sometimes when we're

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Speaker 1: talking off Mike, we'll say, can you fucking believe this ship?

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Speaker 1: Um again, where did I start? Oh? Looking fantastic? Right?

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Speaker 1: And you know, one of the one of the lesser

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Speaker 1: known dirty secrets of white privilege is sun poisoning. See

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Speaker 1: we have that. It's not something um that we talked about.

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Speaker 1: But but the sun, just from our mere existence of

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Speaker 1: being alive every day will funk your skin up if

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Speaker 1: That's funny to make fun of the But but the

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Speaker 1: I was up there with Toby. We were like, what

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Speaker 1: I have been on a vegetarian diet. Now. I don't

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Speaker 1: just want to be like, on't you shut the funk up? Toby.

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Speaker 1: white privilege, particularly the Jews. We have inflammation what excuse me,

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Speaker 1: inflammation of what inside inside or internal organs, inflammation of

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Speaker 1: the body. You have it too, Fuck that ship, no, motherfucker. Listen,

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Speaker 1: they have The black people have stuff too. It's not

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Speaker 1: just it's not just running fast and jumping high. Black

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Speaker 1: me talking shit about my body, motherfucker. Go ahead, keep going. Listen.

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Speaker 1: You're an I fucking winning any awards, asshole. You you're

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Speaker 1: training and running on mountains. Who you fight Larry Holmes, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you ain't winning no fucking awards. You I seen you.

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Speaker 1: I've seen you with your shirt off. You ain't winning

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Speaker 1: no fucking awards. At the beach body breakdown this summer, asshole, Hey,

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Speaker 1: I'm still good. Stay on that mountain, you and Toby

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Speaker 1: seen Moody in the eighties and the nineties. Guy can't

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Speaker 1: Can you touch your toes? Yo? I got a perfect

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Speaker 1: the fuck? Ain't ship change? Gerald? Gerald? I could dunk

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Speaker 1: Now what are you eating? I say vegan? I said vegetarian?

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Speaker 1: All right, So rice help help people. All sorts of vegetables,

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Speaker 1: And I want to congratulate Vanessa Trump. Vanessa Trump, Uh,

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Speaker 1: of all, he's got ginormous fucking teeth. Okay. Second of all,

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Speaker 1: he's he's a daddy's boy. He stands by his father,

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Speaker 1: fact check, but you can do way better for yourself

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Speaker 1: and live in a less stressful environment. Can you imagine

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Speaker 1: being Donald Trump Junior's wife and all that entails? Forget,

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Speaker 1: forget all the fly ship and the shopping spreeze and

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Speaker 1: have that special thing, you're gonna be frozen with fear

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00:26:02,600 --> 00:26:06,760
Speaker 1: them live rounds and people. Yo. Uh, if you don't

419
00:26:06,800 --> 00:26:09,760
Speaker 1: have that something in you, you shouldn't be a cop. No,

420
00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:15,480
Speaker 1: be a firefighter. It's special. People are firefighters, paratroopers out

421
00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:19,679
Speaker 1: like our guys out there in Afghanistan. Uh. And and cops. Man,

422
00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:22,920
Speaker 1: you gotta be special for that ship. Man. Do something. Man,

423
00:26:23,359 --> 00:26:26,959
Speaker 1: call somebody, do something, do something. You can't. These are

424
00:26:27,040 --> 00:26:30,359
Speaker 1: kids in there. Kids lost their lives, adults lost lost

425
00:26:30,359 --> 00:26:33,760
Speaker 1: their lives. Yeah, you gotta come in there with guns blazing,

426
00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:36,560
Speaker 1: so at least you could be a hero or you know,

427
00:26:36,920 --> 00:26:39,000
Speaker 1: go out in the line of fire. But just standing

428
00:26:39,119 --> 00:26:43,560
Speaker 1: behind on some scanty cat ship. Now you're in infamy.

429
00:26:43,800 --> 00:26:49,120
Speaker 1: Now you're like, man, it's terrible. And engaged Ohio teacher

430
00:26:51,240 --> 00:26:55,679
Speaker 1: is another sick fuck of the week. Brooke Rosendale, who

431
00:26:55,760 --> 00:27:00,520
Speaker 1: I can't confirm whether or not she's Wish, but that

432
00:27:00,560 --> 00:27:05,280
Speaker 1: sounds like a Jewish name to me. Brooke Rosendale feels

433
00:27:05,280 --> 00:27:09,320
Speaker 1: like a Jewish name. She was engaged to a guy

434
00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:15,000
Speaker 1: pleaded guilty to having sex with a thirteen year old

435
00:27:15,080 --> 00:27:20,480
Speaker 1: female student. This is this is a female, a female

436
00:27:20,560 --> 00:27:27,359
Speaker 1: teacher having sex with a thirteen year old female student. Now,

437
00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:30,080
Speaker 1: if this was a guy, we would automatically say wonder

438
00:27:30,119 --> 00:27:33,520
Speaker 1: bread bag and olive oil treatment. This woman's going to

439
00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:37,560
Speaker 1: prison for sure. Yeah. I mean, this is what the

440
00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:40,480
Speaker 1: true essence of a sick fuck. A twenty seven year

441
00:27:40,520 --> 00:27:46,720
Speaker 1: old teacher having sexual interactions with a thirteen year old

442
00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:51,240
Speaker 1: female student. I mean, could you imagine if this is

443
00:27:51,280 --> 00:27:53,760
Speaker 1: your daughter and this has happened, like you'd be I

444
00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:57,480
Speaker 1: would be just devastated. I would be heartbroken if something

445
00:27:57,560 --> 00:28:00,840
Speaker 1: like this happened. I don't understand. It's like this happens

446
00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:03,480
Speaker 1: all the time now, Yeah, I know, like we said,

447
00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:06,840
Speaker 1: it's just commonplace. Uh, it's it's it's bad. I made

448
00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:09,359
Speaker 1: fun of this ship for guys, and but it's just

449
00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:12,480
Speaker 1: bad all the way around. Man, It's just yo, this

450
00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:15,040
Speaker 1: this teachers are sick man, Yo. They'd be doing this

451
00:28:15,040 --> 00:28:18,080
Speaker 1: ship with Mary one one I saw how to retard.

452
00:28:18,119 --> 00:28:21,080
Speaker 1: It was working around with a retarded kid. Imagine your

453
00:28:21,119 --> 00:28:24,080
Speaker 1: wife sucking would have retarded motherfucker. Come on, that's hard

454
00:28:24,119 --> 00:28:26,840
Speaker 1: to be really nuts to be doing that, man, that's

455
00:28:26,840 --> 00:28:28,919
Speaker 1: her man, and you have work, and she fucking with

456
00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:33,440
Speaker 1: a nigga with a helmet. Another sick fuck a boyfriend

457
00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:37,119
Speaker 1: and girlfriend young. They seem like they're you know, like

458
00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:41,120
Speaker 1: in their their their mid twenties. The girlfriend saw the

459
00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:46,480
Speaker 1: guy had a dating app on his phone. Uh huh.

460
00:28:47,040 --> 00:28:51,720
Speaker 1: Her name is Emily Javier and her boyfriend's name is

461
00:28:51,760 --> 00:28:58,840
Speaker 1: Alex Lovell. She was so irate she went, she went

462
00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:04,000
Speaker 1: and purchased samurai sword like on some Bruce Lee, you know,

463
00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:09,160
Speaker 1: samurai ship some kill billshit, and tried to kill his dude,

464
00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:12,120
Speaker 1: cut him up, fucked him up, cut his hands, cut

465
00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:15,280
Speaker 1: his face. My man, stitches in the hospital at all.

466
00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:17,719
Speaker 1: And that she like it was an attack, like he

467
00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:22,080
Speaker 1: was able to, you know, to fend her off. Wow,

468
00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:24,120
Speaker 1: because of the app, because he had a dating app.

469
00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:28,760
Speaker 1: It's crazy man, Oh man, he had a crazy broad.

470
00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:30,840
Speaker 1: You could kill somebody with this thing, you know, they

471
00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:34,560
Speaker 1: called her. She's been under arrest, good charges have been pressed.

472
00:29:35,320 --> 00:29:37,680
Speaker 1: But like, you know, like a like a fucking samurai sword.

473
00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:41,880
Speaker 1: You know, he's lucky, and I'm sure there were things

474
00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:45,280
Speaker 1: that led up to him. Not he should have known

475
00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:47,560
Speaker 1: you did. You know, when you're dealing with a crazy broad,

476
00:29:47,760 --> 00:29:52,080
Speaker 1: it's always something immediately that go oh shit, Yeah, that's right,

477
00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:59,440
Speaker 1: that's right, yo. Speaking of Facebook, Speaking of crazy women

478
00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:05,200
Speaker 1: and crazy guys and crazy relationships, a woman in Georgia

479
00:30:06,280 --> 00:30:09,280
Speaker 1: now see they kicked me off Facebook. Uh for talking

480
00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:13,920
Speaker 1: ship for thirty days. A woman in Georgia was jailed

481
00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:19,440
Speaker 1: for writing stuff about her ex husband who was cheating

482
00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:21,480
Speaker 1: on her, cheating her like ship, and all that time

483
00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:27,480
Speaker 1: she was putting jail. I think it was defamation. Wow,

484
00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:31,520
Speaker 1: that's what it's. No, this is where we're at now, yo.

485
00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:35,520
Speaker 1: This social media ship, Yo, they're putting people in jail.

486
00:30:35,920 --> 00:30:39,000
Speaker 1: You're getting you know, you're meeting up on these dating apps.

487
00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:41,320
Speaker 1: People are getting killed and beating up and all that stuff.

488
00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:45,560
Speaker 1: This social media ship is no joke, yo. That dating

489
00:30:45,600 --> 00:30:48,640
Speaker 1: ship is dangerous. I wouldn't be rocking that anyway. Like,

490
00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:51,920
Speaker 1: uh no, I can't. I can't do that dating apps

491
00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:54,520
Speaker 1: and all that. That's dangerous in and of itself. Even

492
00:30:54,560 --> 00:30:56,160
Speaker 1: if you're a guy, you don't know what kind of

493
00:30:56,200 --> 00:30:58,640
Speaker 1: trap you're walking into. You're getting catfish, you don't know

494
00:30:58,680 --> 00:31:01,440
Speaker 1: what's going on out there. Just do the old way

495
00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:04,080
Speaker 1: bag chicks on the train. Kick it to him at

496
00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:07,200
Speaker 1: John J like Na said, and you know, get him

497
00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:11,280
Speaker 1: on the streets man. That other ship. Um. Yet another

498
00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:14,320
Speaker 1: sick funck of the week. I told you the beat

499
00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:21,000
Speaker 1: was gonna go on. In Iowa, Iowa City sick fuck

500
00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:29,440
Speaker 1: basketball coach, a prominent basketball coach, Craig Stephen, Craig Stephen,

501
00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:31,280
Speaker 1: wherever the fund his name is. And if you look

502
00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:33,440
Speaker 1: at the picture of Craig Stephen, you know what he

503
00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:39,560
Speaker 1: looks like. Gimo Eddie, what a sick fuck hits the title?

504
00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:48,040
Speaker 1: Iowa basketball coach filmed players nude in the hotel bathroom,

505
00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:52,200
Speaker 1: his own players while they were disrobing get ready to

506
00:31:52,240 --> 00:31:57,600
Speaker 1: shower in the hotel room. These charges carry fifteen to

507
00:31:57,720 --> 00:32:01,720
Speaker 1: thirty years in prison. Now. See this guy Will Will

508
00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:05,360
Speaker 1: Will most likely if he's found guilty and convicted, he

509
00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:08,720
Speaker 1: will in fact get the wonderbread bag and olive oil

510
00:32:08,840 --> 00:32:12,920
Speaker 1: treatment while on lockdown. But the woman who had sex

511
00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:16,360
Speaker 1: with the thirteen year old girl, I don't know how

512
00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:20,120
Speaker 1: she's punished in prison. See, men do it differently. We

513
00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:22,080
Speaker 1: gotta come up with something I don't know and I

514
00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:26,680
Speaker 1: don't know how this works. And and that guy, yo, man,

515
00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:30,320
Speaker 1: that's why he got into coaching. These are perverts. There

516
00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:33,480
Speaker 1: should be some type of vetting for coaches. Man, this

517
00:32:33,520 --> 00:32:35,360
Speaker 1: guy if that was my son and something like that,

518
00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:39,040
Speaker 1: Yo man, I'd be I'd get him, I'd be after him,

519
00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:41,400
Speaker 1: you know, I'll get you. We gotta do something. Then

520
00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:46,400
Speaker 1: you go to jail more sick fox more, sick fox

521
00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:54,360
Speaker 1: more sick fox. A North Carolina mother threatened to bomb

522
00:32:54,520 --> 00:32:59,440
Speaker 1: her son's school because she was upset with her son's

523
00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:09,040
Speaker 1: re punishments. Barbara Charrell was arrested. Charges are now pending.

524
00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:11,920
Speaker 1: If you look up Barbara Sharrell, the last name is

525
00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:16,760
Speaker 1: spelled s h E R R I L L. Guess

526
00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:20,640
Speaker 1: what she looks like. Mr Moody, what pray tell A

527
00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:24,680
Speaker 1: sick fuck? She really looks nuts in this day and

528
00:33:24,760 --> 00:33:29,360
Speaker 1: age to be calling in threats saying you're gonna bomb

529
00:33:29,360 --> 00:33:33,680
Speaker 1: a school. Yo. The school got it, got evacuated, Canine

530
00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:37,520
Speaker 1: units came through, police came through, kids were freaked out.

531
00:33:38,760 --> 00:33:42,200
Speaker 1: All because her son was involved in a fight and

532
00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:45,880
Speaker 1: she didn't approve of the punishment. So you threaten to

533
00:33:46,040 --> 00:33:49,960
Speaker 1: bomb the school. You're the problem and now you're going

534
00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:52,240
Speaker 1: to jail. You can't do no crazy ship like that.

535
00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:58,200
Speaker 1: Jail time all I always want jail time for for

536
00:33:58,280 --> 00:34:02,200
Speaker 1: ship like that. That's what terry. Jail time, A lot

537
00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:07,240
Speaker 1: of jail time. More sick fox more, sick fox more

538
00:34:07,320 --> 00:34:11,960
Speaker 1: sick fox. A Florida teenager. You know when you. You're

539
00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:16,480
Speaker 1: you're a teenager, your friends they sleep over. Yeah, this

540
00:34:16,680 --> 00:34:21,360
Speaker 1: sick funck down in Florida. I hate to be redundant,

541
00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:26,280
Speaker 1: and I really do. But take a guess what Corey

542
00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:30,799
Speaker 1: Johnson looks like. Uh, what a sick fuck. And he's

543
00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:33,680
Speaker 1: a seventeen year old sick fuck. He had a sleepover

544
00:34:34,160 --> 00:34:36,160
Speaker 1: at his house. A few kids slept over in his house,

545
00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:38,799
Speaker 1: a thirteen year old and a fifteen year old and

546
00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:44,920
Speaker 1: a couple of other boys. His mother was there. This

547
00:34:45,120 --> 00:34:49,640
Speaker 1: lunatic stabbed two of the boys at the sleepover. Can

548
00:34:49,680 --> 00:34:53,719
Speaker 1: you imagine your your your son goes to a sleepover

549
00:34:54,160 --> 00:34:59,920
Speaker 1: and you get called in the middle of the night. Yo, man,

550
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:05,799
Speaker 1: you coming up with some ship today? I mean to

551
00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:08,520
Speaker 1: be seventeen and to be the sick funk of the week,

552
00:35:09,040 --> 00:35:12,279
Speaker 1: like you're an underage sick fuck. Yeah, and why are

553
00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:15,279
Speaker 1: you not dealing with no chicks at seventeen? Like, like,

554
00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:19,080
Speaker 1: I mean, your your your interest should peak with girls.

555
00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:21,759
Speaker 1: You gonna stab motherfucker's for what? And I don't know,

556
00:35:22,640 --> 00:35:24,600
Speaker 1: I do not know why what's going on? I told

557
00:35:24,640 --> 00:35:28,720
Speaker 1: you I had a whole lot of sick fucks. Finally,

558
00:35:30,040 --> 00:35:34,759
Speaker 1: another sick fuck. I think this is a follow up

559
00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:43,279
Speaker 1: to a sick fuck bonanza. The Oregon daycare owner, okay,

560
00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:49,239
Speaker 1: who drugged to get them to sleep children at her

561
00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:55,000
Speaker 1: daycare so she could what she could go tanning. This

562
00:35:55,040 --> 00:35:57,120
Speaker 1: is this is this a person? You you you drop

563
00:35:57,520 --> 00:36:01,080
Speaker 1: your kids off at a daycare center. Seven kids we're

564
00:36:01,160 --> 00:36:06,040
Speaker 1: drugged with melatonin, including a six month old at her

565
00:36:06,040 --> 00:36:13,600
Speaker 1: illegal daycare place called Little Giggles in Bend, Oregon. This woman,

566
00:36:13,719 --> 00:36:17,160
Speaker 1: so she could put him out, left these kids unattended

567
00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:21,160
Speaker 1: on melotonin, which is something I take. If I can't sleep,

568
00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:23,560
Speaker 1: I gotta wake up early. And I've been working at

569
00:36:23,600 --> 00:36:29,400
Speaker 1: something like that. She's been convicted twenty one years in prison.

570
00:36:29,560 --> 00:36:32,719
Speaker 1: Now listen, I think this is a sick fuck. But

571
00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:37,200
Speaker 1: twenty one years in prison. Hey, hey, you can't do that.

572
00:36:37,239 --> 00:36:39,880
Speaker 1: You jeopardize in the kids, giving them drugs, well, you

573
00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:41,400
Speaker 1: don't know if they could handle that, what if what

574
00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:46,279
Speaker 1: him dies? So the judge aired on the side of

575
00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:49,640
Speaker 1: caution twenty one. Of course it's gonna be shortened, but

576
00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:54,319
Speaker 1: just to say twenty one years motherfucker. Um All right,

577
00:36:54,360 --> 00:36:56,440
Speaker 1: before we get to Scott Pollard, here's this is just

578
00:36:56,600 --> 00:36:59,440
Speaker 1: the climate that we're in so American Idol is back

579
00:36:59,520 --> 00:37:03,880
Speaker 1: the show of Erican Idol. Uh you know megastar Katie Perry.

580
00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:06,920
Speaker 1: Uh huh. I don't know if you saw this the

581
00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:10,000
Speaker 1: other day on American Idol. I watched the show. So

582
00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:11,839
Speaker 1: so one of these kids came on the show. He's

583
00:37:11,960 --> 00:37:16,200
Speaker 1: nineteen years old. I guess he said he was a virgin. Uh.

584
00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:19,600
Speaker 1: Katy Perry liked you know him singing, Uh you know

585
00:37:19,640 --> 00:37:23,239
Speaker 1: his cute kid. Uh, he's nineteen. He comes over to

586
00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:26,160
Speaker 1: Katie Perry after performing. Lionel Richie's up there. You know,

587
00:37:26,200 --> 00:37:28,240
Speaker 1: he's one of the judges. And I think Nick Jonas

588
00:37:28,680 --> 00:37:30,480
Speaker 1: is one of the judges or one of these one

589
00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:32,080
Speaker 1: of these people not Nick Jonas. I don't know who

590
00:37:32,120 --> 00:37:34,720
Speaker 1: the fucking judges. I know, Lionel Richie's up there, who's

591
00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:37,719
Speaker 1: like ninety six, he looks like he's sixty. Yeah, line

592
00:37:37,719 --> 00:37:42,440
Speaker 1: look good, linell look good. So Katie Perry kissed this

593
00:37:42,520 --> 00:37:45,279
Speaker 1: kid on the lips, quick kiss on the lips. And

594
00:37:45,360 --> 00:37:48,279
Speaker 1: this fucking guy's like complaining about it now. He said

595
00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:52,200
Speaker 1: he feels he felt uncomfortable and and uh, you know,

596
00:37:52,239 --> 00:37:55,160
Speaker 1: I wanted to save it from my first relationship. And

597
00:37:55,160 --> 00:37:58,560
Speaker 1: he's making a big thing about it money. Come on, man,

598
00:37:58,840 --> 00:38:02,399
Speaker 1: this is one of the world uh famous stars trying

599
00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:04,160
Speaker 1: to kiss you on the lips, and you've got something

600
00:38:04,160 --> 00:38:08,279
Speaker 1: to say, yo, yo, rap, I don't gotta un to

601
00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:09,960
Speaker 1: say that dude, man, I mean then this is like

602
00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:12,279
Speaker 1: a whole thing. Now. Now there's like a backlash with

603
00:38:12,360 --> 00:38:14,560
Speaker 1: Katie Perry, like you know what I'm saying it was,

604
00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:18,040
Speaker 1: you know, like she she sexually violated him. She didn't

605
00:38:18,040 --> 00:38:20,480
Speaker 1: even slip any tongue, but she's saying it was against

606
00:38:20,560 --> 00:38:23,239
Speaker 1: his will. He felt uncomfortable. What the fund is going

607
00:38:23,320 --> 00:38:26,359
Speaker 1: on in the world here? He felt uncomfortable. I bet

608
00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:29,480
Speaker 1: he got an direction. That's why you got uncomfortable. You

609
00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:32,400
Speaker 1: popped a little wood. That's natural. You should be happy

610
00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:35,279
Speaker 1: about it. You want to break Katie Perry's balls. She's

611
00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:36,759
Speaker 1: pouring it for the show. She gave me a quick

612
00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:39,680
Speaker 1: little kiss. Sound like she grabbed your ass and stuck

613
00:38:39,680 --> 00:38:43,319
Speaker 1: her tongue down your mouth. Yeah, nineteen, this is a guy.

614
00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:45,200
Speaker 1: This is yo, This is this is the ship we're

615
00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:47,520
Speaker 1: getting into. This is what we would do to I

616
00:38:47,560 --> 00:38:50,120
Speaker 1: would love to have one of those stars. Imagine a

617
00:38:50,200 --> 00:38:53,239
Speaker 1: Lola Falana. He's motherfucker's trying to tongue, my ass down.

618
00:38:53,360 --> 00:38:56,480
Speaker 1: You think I would be sucking a talking ship complaining

619
00:38:56,520 --> 00:39:03,000
Speaker 1: about it? All? Right? Listen, we got Scottie Pollard. Okay,

620
00:39:03,160 --> 00:39:06,280
Speaker 1: you're Scottie Pollard. Played at Kansas, played in the NBA,

621
00:39:06,719 --> 00:39:10,719
Speaker 1: played against Shack, played against a King, played against David Robinson,

622
00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:15,320
Speaker 1: played against Vloody d veg, big time ship talker, goon,

623
00:39:15,560 --> 00:39:22,720
Speaker 1: Mitch Chewie, all kinds of hairstyles. Played with the Sacramento Kings,

624
00:39:22,719 --> 00:39:26,120
Speaker 1: though the Kings that played against Shack and Kobe. Uh,

625
00:39:26,160 --> 00:39:29,800
Speaker 1: they always came up Shore. Played with seawb White Chocolate,

626
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Speaker 1: Mike Bibby, Vloody Dotty uh, and that that fun team.

627
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Speaker 1: Scott Pollard coming up next on the I M. Wrapppord

628
00:39:37,600 --> 00:39:41,759
Speaker 1: Stereo podcast. Came Saw conquered and talked a lot of

629
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Speaker 1: ship miles Jordan's let me get some funk and bring

630
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Speaker 1: us in to my guy, Scotty P. I just called

631
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Speaker 1: him that. I don't know if anybody ever called. I'm

632
00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:53,400
Speaker 1: sure someone else is calling Scotty P. Motherfucking Scott Pollard

633
00:39:53,480 --> 00:39:59,720
Speaker 1: coming up next on the I M Wrap Reports Stereo podcast. Yo, Scott,

634
00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:04,520
Speaker 1: what's up? It's Michael Rappaport. Yeah, I kind of figured

635
00:40:04,600 --> 00:40:10,200
Speaker 1: that you ready to go. Oh, I'm ready, alright, cool man,

636
00:40:10,239 --> 00:40:13,439
Speaker 1: I appreciate it. Uh you like I kind of gonna

637
00:40:13,760 --> 00:40:17,680
Speaker 1: be online too. Oh it's done, it's done. Let let

638
00:40:17,680 --> 00:40:20,359
Speaker 1: the dust subtle from this barn burner and then I'll

639
00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:23,799
Speaker 1: come on. Yeah. Yeah, I'm not in the rush. I'm

640
00:40:23,880 --> 00:40:25,880
Speaker 1: down started. So I'm trying to build. I'm trying to

641
00:40:25,880 --> 00:40:29,840
Speaker 1: build an audience. You got an audience, so absolutely absolutely

642
00:40:29,880 --> 00:40:32,520
Speaker 1: appreciate it. Man, How are you enjoying doing a podcast?

643
00:40:32,520 --> 00:40:36,560
Speaker 1: I haven't heard Planet Pollard yet. I've only got six in.

644
00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:40,640
Speaker 1: I'm I'm very family friendly thus far. I've dropped a

645
00:40:40,640 --> 00:40:43,680
Speaker 1: few cuss words on it, but it's just because I

646
00:40:43,719 --> 00:40:45,920
Speaker 1: don't know. I'm just I'm still feeling out which way

647
00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:47,439
Speaker 1: I want to go with it. But mostly right now

648
00:40:47,520 --> 00:40:50,360
Speaker 1: it's just been like therapy for me. I'm just throwing

649
00:40:50,480 --> 00:40:52,880
Speaker 1: it out there that builds up in my mind and

650
00:40:53,080 --> 00:40:56,759
Speaker 1: I just get it out. So it's been some stories,

651
00:40:57,160 --> 00:40:59,880
Speaker 1: some thought of the day, some positive stuff. But you know,

652
00:41:00,480 --> 00:41:02,759
Speaker 1: I've kind of kept to a formula every week with it.

653
00:41:03,160 --> 00:41:06,680
Speaker 1: But um, it's it's fun. I'm enjoying it. But again,

654
00:41:06,719 --> 00:41:08,480
Speaker 1: I'm only six and so I don't even know if

655
00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:10,239
Speaker 1: I found the right voice or the or the right

656
00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:14,120
Speaker 1: uh menu items. Yet I'm sure you will. I mean

657
00:41:14,200 --> 00:41:17,400
Speaker 1: I think that uh at this point in two eighteen,

658
00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:25,759
Speaker 1: podcasts are like assholes. Everybody's got one, like everybody, me, you, uh,

659
00:41:25,760 --> 00:41:30,440
Speaker 1: my gardener, my gardener's son, everybody's got podcasts. So it's

660
00:41:30,440 --> 00:41:32,600
Speaker 1: a fun thing. It's I think it's really like you said,

661
00:41:32,640 --> 00:41:34,359
Speaker 1: I think it could be cathartic. I think it could

662
00:41:34,360 --> 00:41:36,480
Speaker 1: be sort of like I don't know, I mean, everybody's

663
00:41:36,520 --> 00:41:38,560
Speaker 1: got a story and people are curious, and you know,

664
00:41:38,560 --> 00:41:41,600
Speaker 1: people like to talk to other people, and it's like uh,

665
00:41:41,719 --> 00:41:45,000
Speaker 1: you know, new age uh diary almost, it's like a

666
00:41:45,040 --> 00:41:46,480
Speaker 1: new way to sort of like, you know, put your

667
00:41:46,520 --> 00:41:48,400
Speaker 1: your stuff down. I think it's awesome that people are

668
00:41:48,600 --> 00:41:51,840
Speaker 1: into it. I know I like doing it. Yeah, I

669
00:41:52,160 --> 00:41:54,040
Speaker 1: think that's what it is is. It's the new it's

670
00:41:54,040 --> 00:41:56,839
Speaker 1: a new radio show because radio, I know, you know,

671
00:41:57,239 --> 00:42:00,160
Speaker 1: is on its way out. And I think it is

672
00:42:00,239 --> 00:42:03,200
Speaker 1: something that like Twitter, where people feel a connection, like

673
00:42:03,239 --> 00:42:05,359
Speaker 1: they talk shipped to you on Twitter. They're like, man,

674
00:42:05,400 --> 00:42:08,040
Speaker 1: I know Michael rapport now. And I think that's what

675
00:42:08,080 --> 00:42:09,799
Speaker 1: it is is is you get to if you do

676
00:42:09,840 --> 00:42:13,439
Speaker 1: a podcast, And that's what really turned me into doing

677
00:42:13,440 --> 00:42:15,520
Speaker 1: a podcast, because I'm like, I don't understand it. I

678
00:42:15,520 --> 00:42:16,799
Speaker 1: don't get it. I don't even know what they are.

679
00:42:17,400 --> 00:42:19,839
Speaker 1: But one of my friends like, people want to hear

680
00:42:19,880 --> 00:42:22,680
Speaker 1: your sucking stories. I know you're a nobody, washed up

681
00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:24,680
Speaker 1: NBA player, but people want to hear your stories. We

682
00:42:24,760 --> 00:42:27,560
Speaker 1: laugh our asses off listening to your dumbass tell stories.

683
00:42:28,120 --> 00:42:29,520
Speaker 1: You need to let the world in on it, and

684
00:42:29,560 --> 00:42:32,239
Speaker 1: you can make some money on him. Like, all right, cool, Absolutely,

685
00:42:32,400 --> 00:42:34,160
Speaker 1: I think that's what it is too. Man. People love

686
00:42:34,239 --> 00:42:35,920
Speaker 1: listening to you, whether they agree with you or not.

687
00:42:36,040 --> 00:42:38,400
Speaker 1: They love listening to you. Your career where I like,

688
00:42:38,440 --> 00:42:40,399
Speaker 1: I was going over like all the stuff and all

689
00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:42,719
Speaker 1: the I mean just at college and you know I'm

690
00:42:42,719 --> 00:42:47,440
Speaker 1: playing for Roy Williams and Kansas and the Paul Pearson,

691
00:42:47,520 --> 00:42:50,520
Speaker 1: the Greg Oster tags. I mean Roy Williams. I mean

692
00:42:50,520 --> 00:42:53,239
Speaker 1: he's such a like iconic coach, you know, and you

693
00:42:53,239 --> 00:42:56,360
Speaker 1: know he wins, he loses, he's indicted, he's not indicted,

694
00:42:56,440 --> 00:42:58,960
Speaker 1: he's there, skied. What was it like playing for Roy Williams.

695
00:43:00,120 --> 00:43:04,319
Speaker 1: Roy is a guy that uh with with impeccable discipline,

696
00:43:04,760 --> 00:43:08,360
Speaker 1: that that man, he he doesn't cuss, he doesn't drink.

697
00:43:08,600 --> 00:43:11,319
Speaker 1: His father was an alcoholic. Uh and he and he's

698
00:43:11,480 --> 00:43:15,040
Speaker 1: he's religious, but the cussing and the not drinking comes

699
00:43:15,080 --> 00:43:18,360
Speaker 1: from life experience and a discipline more than it comes

700
00:43:18,400 --> 00:43:22,680
Speaker 1: from church. Um. Again, his father was an alcoholic, so

701
00:43:22,680 --> 00:43:25,440
Speaker 1: he didn't drink. Uh, and he in pulled us, Hey,

702
00:43:25,480 --> 00:43:28,160
Speaker 1: when you're in college, what are you doing drinking in it? Anyway?

703
00:43:28,320 --> 00:43:30,439
Speaker 1: It makes you a worse athlete, It makes you dumb,

704
00:43:30,480 --> 00:43:32,880
Speaker 1: it makes you forgetful, and nothing good happens after midnight.

705
00:43:32,880 --> 00:43:36,399
Speaker 1: Everybody's heard that one, especially if you're a parent. You know. Uh,

706
00:43:36,480 --> 00:43:38,760
Speaker 1: so why are you out drinking? Why would you? And

707
00:43:38,760 --> 00:43:40,880
Speaker 1: and I came up as a more of it. I

708
00:43:40,920 --> 00:43:43,480
Speaker 1: grew up at the morment, so I didn't even drink

709
00:43:43,640 --> 00:43:45,960
Speaker 1: in college until I turned twenty one, which was almost

710
00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:47,600
Speaker 1: at the an of my senior year. So I didn't

711
00:43:47,640 --> 00:43:50,360
Speaker 1: drink in college anyway. And then the cussing thing coming

712
00:43:50,400 --> 00:43:54,640
Speaker 1: from Roy was uh something that he felt like he

713
00:43:54,719 --> 00:43:56,600
Speaker 1: was more intelligent. That was the way he said. He said,

714
00:43:56,640 --> 00:43:59,560
Speaker 1: you know, I grew up and I wasn't the smartest kid.

715
00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:02,560
Speaker 1: I came from rural upbringings where people all and he

716
00:44:02,640 --> 00:44:05,160
Speaker 1: still has that that North Carolina twang in his voice.

717
00:44:06,040 --> 00:44:07,920
Speaker 1: But he said, you know, I always wanted to be

718
00:44:07,960 --> 00:44:10,680
Speaker 1: somebody that was intelligent enough to not have to resort

719
00:44:10,719 --> 00:44:13,600
Speaker 1: to cussing to get my point across. And that rang

720
00:44:13,640 --> 00:44:16,200
Speaker 1: through with me too, because it was just a discipline thing.

721
00:44:16,200 --> 00:44:19,400
Speaker 1: It wasn't just like, oh man, uh, you know, cussing

722
00:44:19,400 --> 00:44:22,160
Speaker 1: his evil or it makes you a bad person. It

723
00:44:22,239 --> 00:44:25,200
Speaker 1: was more like, be intelligent, be smarter than they have

724
00:44:25,320 --> 00:44:27,799
Speaker 1: to resort to cussing. Now, I never subscribed to that

725
00:44:27,800 --> 00:44:31,799
Speaker 1: one because that cuts like a sucking sailor. But you know,

726
00:44:32,480 --> 00:44:35,240
Speaker 1: it's something that resonated with me and in all areas

727
00:44:35,239 --> 00:44:36,840
Speaker 1: of life. He was a father figure to me. My

728
00:44:36,920 --> 00:44:39,319
Speaker 1: dad passed away when I was sixteen years old. I

729
00:44:39,360 --> 00:44:41,719
Speaker 1: went through the recruiting process just just me and my mom,

730
00:44:42,280 --> 00:44:44,279
Speaker 1: and that's what I needed in my life. And that's

731
00:44:44,280 --> 00:44:46,120
Speaker 1: why I went to the University of Kansas. I wanted

732
00:44:46,120 --> 00:44:47,319
Speaker 1: to stay home. I want to go to U c.

733
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Speaker 1: L A. I want to go to Santego State where

734
00:44:49,280 --> 00:44:51,400
Speaker 1: I'm from. I'm from del Mar. You know, I was

735
00:44:51,440 --> 00:44:53,319
Speaker 1: a poor kid, but for some reason I ended up

736
00:44:53,320 --> 00:44:56,680
Speaker 1: in del Mar when I was a kid. But you know,

737
00:44:56,760 --> 00:44:59,200
Speaker 1: I wanted to be out west. That's my place. You're

738
00:44:59,239 --> 00:45:02,360
Speaker 1: you're there right now, right. Yeah. I didn't want to

739
00:45:02,360 --> 00:45:04,280
Speaker 1: go this far east. I didn't want to go to Kansas.

740
00:45:04,280 --> 00:45:06,719
Speaker 1: I didn't want to be out here. But Roy was

741
00:45:06,760 --> 00:45:08,640
Speaker 1: a guy that I needed, and I knew it. And

742
00:45:08,640 --> 00:45:10,480
Speaker 1: I knew that even if I didn't play one minute

743
00:45:10,760 --> 00:45:13,200
Speaker 1: for Roy Williams in college, that he would be a

744
00:45:13,239 --> 00:45:15,520
Speaker 1: guy that I could respect his decision making. Being the

745
00:45:15,560 --> 00:45:17,399
Speaker 1: youngest of six kids, my dad is in the State

746
00:45:17,400 --> 00:45:19,560
Speaker 1: of Utah Hall of Fame. He was a recruited, highly

747
00:45:19,560 --> 00:45:22,600
Speaker 1: recruited player. All my brothers and my sister were recruited

748
00:45:22,600 --> 00:45:25,759
Speaker 1: to play through to play college basketball. Uh so I

749
00:45:26,200 --> 00:45:28,520
Speaker 1: had been through it before. At All of them had

750
00:45:28,640 --> 00:45:32,360
Speaker 1: problems with their coaches, whether it was getting fired or

751
00:45:32,440 --> 00:45:34,600
Speaker 1: not lasting through their tenure. Like no matter what, none

752
00:45:34,640 --> 00:45:36,480
Speaker 1: of them went to a college where their coach was

753
00:45:36,480 --> 00:45:38,360
Speaker 1: their coach for the whole time. And back then, you

754
00:45:38,360 --> 00:45:41,239
Speaker 1: couldn't transfer, you couldn't get away. So then also the

755
00:45:41,280 --> 00:45:43,080
Speaker 1: new coach comes in, it's like, well, I didn't recruit you.

756
00:45:43,280 --> 00:45:45,439
Speaker 1: So they end up like quitting or transferring and loving

757
00:45:45,440 --> 00:45:48,319
Speaker 1: eligibility all that kind of bullshit, and so I knew

758
00:45:48,360 --> 00:45:49,920
Speaker 1: that I needed to go to a college where I

759
00:45:49,920 --> 00:45:52,359
Speaker 1: respected the man. And if I was gonna be there

760
00:45:52,400 --> 00:45:54,239
Speaker 1: for four years, he's gonna be there for four years.

761
00:45:54,280 --> 00:45:55,719
Speaker 1: And I made coach One has promised me that he

762
00:45:55,760 --> 00:45:57,759
Speaker 1: wasn't gonna leave for that North Carolina job, which we

763
00:45:57,800 --> 00:46:00,160
Speaker 1: all knew was knocking on the door at some point. Go.

764
00:46:01,160 --> 00:46:02,840
Speaker 1: And this is a little inside tiddy. I don't know

765
00:46:02,840 --> 00:46:04,800
Speaker 1: if a lot of people know this, but Nick Collinson,

766
00:46:05,000 --> 00:46:07,880
Speaker 1: the legendary Oklahoma City Thunder player, he's still there, the

767
00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:10,759
Speaker 1: last sign that's still on the team, the last song

768
00:46:10,920 --> 00:46:13,640
Speaker 1: that was drafted it, I mean kV was drafted after him,

769
00:46:13,960 --> 00:46:16,880
Speaker 1: but Katie's gone. He's the last sign that's still on

770
00:46:16,920 --> 00:46:19,160
Speaker 1: the in the franchise. So he's he's a legend in

771
00:46:19,239 --> 00:46:22,200
Speaker 1: that franchise. And he was the last one that wrote

772
00:46:22,360 --> 00:46:24,959
Speaker 1: Roy Williams, to my knowledge, promise that he was gonna

773
00:46:25,000 --> 00:46:29,040
Speaker 1: be there all four years. Of course Roy left, but

774
00:46:29,440 --> 00:46:31,680
Speaker 1: he's a great man and I don't talk to him

775
00:46:31,719 --> 00:46:34,600
Speaker 1: all the time, but but I always try to keep

776
00:46:34,640 --> 00:46:37,000
Speaker 1: up with him and see how he's doing. I don't

777
00:46:37,000 --> 00:46:39,720
Speaker 1: know all that that stuff in North Carolina, what happened

778
00:46:39,719 --> 00:46:43,839
Speaker 1: out there? Um, you know, outside looking in, it looks

779
00:46:43,880 --> 00:46:46,719
Speaker 1: like somebody took a fall um. But when I heard,

780
00:46:46,719 --> 00:46:48,880
Speaker 1: when I talked to him about it, the only response

781
00:46:48,920 --> 00:46:52,000
Speaker 1: I got was, some idiot thinks that I'm just supposed

782
00:46:52,040 --> 00:46:54,560
Speaker 1: to know every single detail about all the kids lives

783
00:46:54,560 --> 00:46:58,640
Speaker 1: at all times pretty much. Yet you know, and and

784
00:46:59,000 --> 00:47:01,520
Speaker 1: so it's guilty because you're the head, you're the president

785
00:47:01,560 --> 00:47:06,480
Speaker 1: of that corporation, and there's wrongdoing in that organization. Yeah,

786
00:47:06,480 --> 00:47:08,960
Speaker 1: there's some culpability there and some and some fault to

787
00:47:09,000 --> 00:47:12,880
Speaker 1: be placed on you, But uh Roy, Roy is the

788
00:47:12,880 --> 00:47:15,839
Speaker 1: guy that was always stand up. I didn't get paid

789
00:47:15,840 --> 00:47:18,239
Speaker 1: in college. I can't. I don't know, And I can't

790
00:47:18,239 --> 00:47:19,920
Speaker 1: say that about all my teammates that I played with.

791
00:47:19,960 --> 00:47:24,120
Speaker 1: You mentioned Paul Pierce, Greg Ostertag, Jacque Vaughan, race Le France,

792
00:47:24,520 --> 00:47:28,000
Speaker 1: and Jared Hass was my my other starting five player

793
00:47:28,040 --> 00:47:29,960
Speaker 1: when I was a senior. Four out of five of

794
00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:33,400
Speaker 1: us were first round picks. And so who knows the

795
00:47:33,480 --> 00:47:35,319
Speaker 1: thought that one out I know, I didn't. I wish

796
00:47:35,360 --> 00:47:37,520
Speaker 1: I did. I was for as hell in college? How

797
00:47:37,600 --> 00:47:40,879
Speaker 1: crazy was it was it playing in Alan Field House? Like?

798
00:47:41,120 --> 00:47:45,680
Speaker 1: How intense? Like how passionate are the fans there? It's

799
00:47:45,719 --> 00:47:48,720
Speaker 1: the best. If you've never been, put it on your list.

800
00:47:49,280 --> 00:47:52,279
Speaker 1: Is it is an incredible place to play basketball, it's

801
00:47:52,320 --> 00:47:54,440
Speaker 1: incredible place to watch basketball. Is just back there a

802
00:47:54,440 --> 00:47:56,120
Speaker 1: couple of weeks ago, and I just got chilled thinking

803
00:47:56,160 --> 00:48:01,480
Speaker 1: about it. The fans, the students are on both end

804
00:48:01,560 --> 00:48:03,400
Speaker 1: zones and they kind of wrap around the corner a

805
00:48:03,480 --> 00:48:05,520
Speaker 1: little bit and then they put the season take a

806
00:48:05,520 --> 00:48:08,040
Speaker 1: holders and the big money people in the middle. There's

807
00:48:08,600 --> 00:48:12,480
Speaker 1: mostly just bleachers, which sets it apart from a lot

808
00:48:12,520 --> 00:48:16,239
Speaker 1: of places. Obviously, nowadays they all have seats with chairbacks

809
00:48:16,280 --> 00:48:20,400
Speaker 1: and all that stuff. So, um, it holds seventeen, but

810
00:48:20,719 --> 00:48:23,360
Speaker 1: they limited down to sixteen because of fire code and

811
00:48:23,360 --> 00:48:25,160
Speaker 1: all that kind of stuff. It used to be seventeen,

812
00:48:25,200 --> 00:48:27,160
Speaker 1: I think back in the day when I played there,

813
00:48:27,800 --> 00:48:29,719
Speaker 1: but now I think the max is like sixteen three

814
00:48:29,800 --> 00:48:31,879
Speaker 1: or something like that, and it seems smaller than that.

815
00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:36,000
Speaker 1: But because they don't have all those seats, but the bleachers, uh,

816
00:48:36,480 --> 00:48:38,279
Speaker 1: hard to get used anyway. I mean most of the game,

817
00:48:38,320 --> 00:48:41,799
Speaker 1: the students stands the entire game. And I've never been

818
00:48:41,840 --> 00:48:44,160
Speaker 1: the Cameron Indoor, but what I've heard about it is

819
00:48:44,200 --> 00:48:45,759
Speaker 1: you had the students are right on top of you,

820
00:48:45,800 --> 00:48:47,799
Speaker 1: but it is a smaller environment. It's a great place

821
00:48:47,840 --> 00:48:49,359
Speaker 1: to see a game. It's a great place to watch

822
00:48:49,360 --> 00:48:52,560
Speaker 1: a game, but it's very different than Alan Field House,

823
00:48:52,560 --> 00:48:55,279
Speaker 1: which uh night in the night out. I mean, you

824
00:48:55,719 --> 00:48:58,799
Speaker 1: got kids camping out for games hours ahead, for for

825
00:48:58,880 --> 00:49:02,160
Speaker 1: exhibition games, not even the national TV games on Saturday,

826
00:49:02,920 --> 00:49:04,600
Speaker 1: you know, when they're a big time game against a

827
00:49:04,640 --> 00:49:07,080
Speaker 1: non conference opponent or whatever you know, on Kentucky comes

828
00:49:07,080 --> 00:49:10,839
Speaker 1: to town or whoever it is. But it's it's preseason.

829
00:49:10,880 --> 00:49:14,239
Speaker 1: They're out there waiting in line and holding the place

830
00:49:14,280 --> 00:49:15,640
Speaker 1: in line for I think they can hold up the

831
00:49:15,719 --> 00:49:18,040
Speaker 1: twenty students in one person have to be there from

832
00:49:18,080 --> 00:49:21,160
Speaker 1: their group. Uh, and they check in the random times

833
00:49:21,160 --> 00:49:23,680
Speaker 1: to make sure nobody leaves, and they do their homework

834
00:49:23,680 --> 00:49:26,080
Speaker 1: in line. I mean, it's it's just an unreal atmosphere.

835
00:49:26,160 --> 00:49:29,400
Speaker 1: It's it's a really really unreal atmosphere. It's such a

836
00:49:29,400 --> 00:49:32,239
Speaker 1: cool place to play basketball. And every single time I

837
00:49:32,280 --> 00:49:34,880
Speaker 1: ran out of that tunnel, I tried to soak it

838
00:49:34,920 --> 00:49:37,920
Speaker 1: all in and tried to remember that I was one

839
00:49:37,920 --> 00:49:39,719
Speaker 1: of the luckiest people on the planet to be able

840
00:49:39,719 --> 00:49:42,480
Speaker 1: to play for the for the place that started basketball,

841
00:49:42,520 --> 00:49:44,200
Speaker 1: the invent of the game with our first head coach.

842
00:49:44,320 --> 00:49:46,799
Speaker 1: That's crazy. That's cool. That's cool that you you were

843
00:49:46,880 --> 00:49:51,480
Speaker 1: conscious of that. What was the most intense arena to

844
00:49:51,560 --> 00:49:58,280
Speaker 1: go into on the road, Oh, Missouri, no question, no question.

845
00:49:58,320 --> 00:49:59,960
Speaker 1: We don't every time we went to Missouri. I mean,

846
00:50:00,080 --> 00:50:02,000
Speaker 1: Kansas State was in the in the in the state,

847
00:50:02,320 --> 00:50:05,520
Speaker 1: but we we never lost there when I was cool.

848
00:50:05,640 --> 00:50:08,279
Speaker 1: And in fact, it took twenty something years when they

849
00:50:08,320 --> 00:50:10,960
Speaker 1: moved from their old ahearn Fields House at Kansas State

850
00:50:11,040 --> 00:50:14,439
Speaker 1: to the new Brambledge. They didn't beat Kansas at home

851
00:50:14,520 --> 00:50:18,600
Speaker 1: in Brambledge for twenty something years. And I was in

852
00:50:18,640 --> 00:50:20,160
Speaker 1: the middle of that. I was in the sixteen and

853
00:50:20,239 --> 00:50:24,120
Speaker 1: sent teen year uh somewhere in that span. But anyway, Missouri,

854
00:50:24,719 --> 00:50:27,120
Speaker 1: we would get off the bus and then obviously Missouri's

855
00:50:27,120 --> 00:50:28,880
Speaker 1: out of the conference now, but we would get off

856
00:50:28,880 --> 00:50:31,799
Speaker 1: the bus in Missouri and every year they would have

857
00:50:31,920 --> 00:50:35,560
Speaker 1: someone jersey on a stick and they would light it

858
00:50:35,600 --> 00:50:38,279
Speaker 1: on fire as we walked off the bus and into

859
00:50:38,320 --> 00:50:41,360
Speaker 1: the arena. It was intense. And they used to have

860
00:50:41,400 --> 00:50:43,120
Speaker 1: these guys called the Amblers, and I think they still

861
00:50:43,160 --> 00:50:45,480
Speaker 1: have some semblance of those guys. But they had to

862
00:50:45,480 --> 00:50:47,600
Speaker 1: break them up because they were throwing batteries at it,

863
00:50:47,719 --> 00:50:50,560
Speaker 1: they were taking quarters at it, and and they were

864
00:50:50,640 --> 00:50:54,680
Speaker 1: yelling racial stuff. There's some funny. Oh yeah, it was awful.

865
00:50:55,000 --> 00:50:59,000
Speaker 1: It was. It was truly horrible. I mean they I

866
00:50:59,239 --> 00:51:02,600
Speaker 1: can't even say all the horrible things they did because

867
00:51:02,680 --> 00:51:05,200
Speaker 1: I don't I don't want to relive it, but I

868
00:51:05,239 --> 00:51:07,120
Speaker 1: mean they had to break them up because it was

869
00:51:07,239 --> 00:51:10,320
Speaker 1: just so bad. They Some of the stuff was clever,

870
00:51:11,040 --> 00:51:13,000
Speaker 1: Like before my time, there was a guy named Donnas

871
00:51:13,040 --> 00:51:15,160
Speaker 1: Jordan's and Rex Walters played on the team and they

872
00:51:15,160 --> 00:51:17,960
Speaker 1: were they were guard duos and like one of their

873
00:51:18,080 --> 00:51:21,560
Speaker 1: signs was a Donna's Rex, you know, and they made

874
00:51:21,640 --> 00:51:24,319
Speaker 1: them look like they were stupid looking dinosaurs, and I

875
00:51:24,320 --> 00:51:27,040
Speaker 1: thought that was kind of a clever, playful play on

876
00:51:27,080 --> 00:51:30,120
Speaker 1: their their names. But during our time, and it was

877
00:51:30,200 --> 00:51:32,760
Speaker 1: it was brutal. They would they would kick one player

878
00:51:33,200 --> 00:51:36,560
Speaker 1: and scream out something every time he touched the vault,

879
00:51:36,600 --> 00:51:40,800
Speaker 1: so he had to be tough. And that was my first, uh,

880
00:51:41,360 --> 00:51:44,840
Speaker 1: dealing with anything like that, that intense rivalry, that hatred,

881
00:51:45,239 --> 00:51:47,320
Speaker 1: and I miss it. I missed that that was there,

882
00:51:47,440 --> 00:51:49,440
Speaker 1: not to that level, not to the racist level, and

883
00:51:49,800 --> 00:51:51,759
Speaker 1: that that kind of stuff throwing batteries because you could

884
00:51:51,840 --> 00:51:55,040
Speaker 1: hurt somebody. But the intensity of that rivalry, you know

885
00:51:55,320 --> 00:51:59,760
Speaker 1: that that actually started with pro slavery and anti slavers.

886
00:52:00,120 --> 00:52:03,440
Speaker 1: I mean literally the Kansas and Missouri border war is

887
00:52:03,480 --> 00:52:05,520
Speaker 1: because Kansas is the free state and Missouri was a

888
00:52:05,560 --> 00:52:08,000
Speaker 1: slave state, and they burned each other down. People from

889
00:52:08,040 --> 00:52:10,479
Speaker 1: Missouri went to this went to Lawrence, Kansas and burned

890
00:52:10,480 --> 00:52:12,520
Speaker 1: it to the ground twice. They were called Quantros Raiders.

891
00:52:12,520 --> 00:52:14,480
Speaker 1: So you know, I'm not gonna go into give you

892
00:52:14,480 --> 00:52:17,200
Speaker 1: a history lesson, but I mean that rivalry actually started

893
00:52:17,200 --> 00:52:20,480
Speaker 1: from real bloodshed, unlike Tobacco Road, which is going on.

894
00:52:20,560 --> 00:52:22,560
Speaker 1: And that's cool. That's a great rivalry. I mean that

895
00:52:22,640 --> 00:52:24,799
Speaker 1: the statistics with that one is just unbelievable. They have

896
00:52:24,840 --> 00:52:27,080
Speaker 1: the same amount of wins. They have like within four

897
00:52:27,200 --> 00:52:28,960
Speaker 1: or five points of each other in the last one

898
00:52:29,000 --> 00:52:33,040
Speaker 1: hundred games. They're tied with all these other stats. It's ridiculous.

899
00:52:33,080 --> 00:52:36,240
Speaker 1: But so that's that's a great rivalry. But there's nothing

900
00:52:36,280 --> 00:52:39,080
Speaker 1: that that I know of in sports that began with

901
00:52:39,120 --> 00:52:42,759
Speaker 1: bloodshed and has turned into a sporting rivalry. And now

902
00:52:42,760 --> 00:52:44,799
Speaker 1: it's over. That's why I'm sad it's over because it

903
00:52:44,920 --> 00:52:48,719
Speaker 1: was such an intense rivalry. And and that's the only

904
00:52:48,719 --> 00:52:51,640
Speaker 1: place Missouri in my four years of college at Kansas,

905
00:52:51,840 --> 00:52:53,399
Speaker 1: that's the only one I didn't have a winning record.

906
00:52:53,440 --> 00:52:56,000
Speaker 1: I think we tied over my four years with Missouri.

907
00:52:56,000 --> 00:52:58,320
Speaker 1: Everybody else we had a winning record with. That's crazy,

908
00:52:58,360 --> 00:53:01,360
Speaker 1: that's it. I didn't know the history of that UM

909
00:53:01,640 --> 00:53:05,120
Speaker 1: junior year. Soon to be an official Hall of Famer,

910
00:53:05,160 --> 00:53:08,960
Speaker 1: Paul Pierce joins. How good was Paul Pierce As a freshman,

911
00:53:10,480 --> 00:53:13,760
Speaker 1: We called him Bambi because he was all overose his knees,

912
00:53:13,840 --> 00:53:15,839
Speaker 1: like on the like when Bamby goes on the ice

913
00:53:15,920 --> 00:53:18,800
Speaker 1: and he's stating around. He just pauls. That's that was

914
00:53:18,880 --> 00:53:21,880
Speaker 1: what Paul Pierce was his his freshman year. He was

915
00:53:21,920 --> 00:53:23,920
Speaker 1: all elbow when he was the same height, but he

916
00:53:23,920 --> 00:53:26,279
Speaker 1: hadn't failed out at all. He was a string being.

917
00:53:26,480 --> 00:53:28,279
Speaker 1: He hardly spoke because he was so shy when he

918
00:53:28,320 --> 00:53:30,520
Speaker 1: got the campus. He was still just barely sixteen or

919
00:53:30,560 --> 00:53:33,200
Speaker 1: seventeen years old, Like he had just turned seventeen when

920
00:53:33,239 --> 00:53:35,680
Speaker 1: he got the campus. I think, so he was so young,

921
00:53:36,160 --> 00:53:38,200
Speaker 1: and he like on his recruiting trip, he just wore

922
00:53:38,200 --> 00:53:40,480
Speaker 1: his headphones the whole time. I don't remember him talking

923
00:53:40,480 --> 00:53:42,919
Speaker 1: with him without his headphones on. He was just so young.

924
00:53:43,520 --> 00:53:46,319
Speaker 1: But his freshman year, we knew it. You could just

925
00:53:46,360 --> 00:53:49,640
Speaker 1: see how good he was gonna be because he was

926
00:53:49,680 --> 00:53:53,919
Speaker 1: so awkward and gangly, but still effective, still getting into

927
00:53:53,960 --> 00:53:57,360
Speaker 1: the racks, still so strong even though he wasn't strong yet.

928
00:53:57,800 --> 00:54:00,000
Speaker 1: And that was one thing that that was so surprise

929
00:54:00,080 --> 00:54:02,120
Speaker 1: using and a lot of people, some people have talked

930
00:54:02,120 --> 00:54:03,799
Speaker 1: about it, basketball people talking about it, But a lot

931
00:54:03,840 --> 00:54:06,600
Speaker 1: of people that aren't really basketball people but are fans,

932
00:54:06,920 --> 00:54:09,520
Speaker 1: don't realize how strong Paul Pierce was with the ball.

933
00:54:10,320 --> 00:54:12,279
Speaker 1: Try to figure out a time when somebody knocked the

934
00:54:12,280 --> 00:54:15,919
Speaker 1: ball out of Paul Pierce's hand. It didn't happen a lot,

935
00:54:16,200 --> 00:54:19,200
Speaker 1: if ever, he was so strong even though he looked dooughey,

936
00:54:19,800 --> 00:54:21,880
Speaker 1: Paul could just grab that ball and go up with it,

937
00:54:21,960 --> 00:54:24,040
Speaker 1: and he take the hit and take the and the

938
00:54:24,080 --> 00:54:27,160
Speaker 1: ball is going with it. Hardly ever, could you knocked

939
00:54:27,160 --> 00:54:29,680
Speaker 1: the ball out of Paul Pierce's hands, even as a freshman,

940
00:54:29,680 --> 00:54:33,240
Speaker 1: when he was skinny and bambish. In your draft class,

941
00:54:33,760 --> 00:54:36,719
Speaker 1: a guy named Tim Duncan. I guess he turned out

942
00:54:36,760 --> 00:54:42,200
Speaker 1: to be something Chounts of Billups. Another guy, uh Tracy McGrady.

943
00:54:42,320 --> 00:54:44,399
Speaker 1: Did these guys I never heard of some of these guys.

944
00:54:44,400 --> 00:54:46,839
Speaker 1: Some of them have heard of the Duncan guy kind

945
00:54:46,840 --> 00:54:50,600
Speaker 1: of rings familiar these draft workouts. Did you ever have

946
00:54:50,640 --> 00:54:53,799
Speaker 1: any of these draft workouts? What was it like? Were

947
00:54:53,840 --> 00:54:58,480
Speaker 1: there any stories? What was that process like for you? Well,

948
00:54:58,480 --> 00:55:00,440
Speaker 1: I've got two stories. I'm gonna know you about my

949
00:55:00,520 --> 00:55:03,720
Speaker 1: draft workouts first, and then I'm gonna tell you about

950
00:55:03,719 --> 00:55:07,520
Speaker 1: me and Tim Duncan after that. But my draft workouts,

951
00:55:07,680 --> 00:55:11,319
Speaker 1: I got invited to all the teams that had like

952
00:55:11,440 --> 00:55:13,680
Speaker 1: the last part of the first round, because nobody was

953
00:55:13,719 --> 00:55:17,680
Speaker 1: predicting me first round, maybe late first round or but

954
00:55:17,800 --> 00:55:20,279
Speaker 1: mostly second round. Everybody was kind of staying that. So

955
00:55:20,320 --> 00:55:25,439
Speaker 1: I got was I think Milwaukee or Atlanta, but either

956
00:55:25,480 --> 00:55:28,120
Speaker 1: way it was nine I think at the time I

957
00:55:28,160 --> 00:55:31,799
Speaker 1: was only teams in the league and so everybody was

958
00:55:31,920 --> 00:55:37,719
Speaker 1: it was it was Milwaukee, Atlanta, UM, Chicago, Utah. But

959
00:55:37,760 --> 00:55:39,440
Speaker 1: I didn't go to Utah because I already told the

960
00:55:39,440 --> 00:55:41,680
Speaker 1: GM that I wouldn't go there out from there and

961
00:55:41,680 --> 00:55:43,200
Speaker 1: and I was like, I love, I would love to

962
00:55:43,200 --> 00:55:45,600
Speaker 1: play for the Jazz. I'm related to everyone in the

963
00:55:45,600 --> 00:55:48,520
Speaker 1: whole state of Utah more so, so I was like,

964
00:55:48,560 --> 00:55:50,320
Speaker 1: I'm gonna have a ticket nightmare. I could fill the

965
00:55:50,360 --> 00:55:53,640
Speaker 1: arena with family members and still piss everybody off. So

966
00:55:53,800 --> 00:55:55,000
Speaker 1: I just said, you know, I just don't want that

967
00:55:55,040 --> 00:55:57,080
Speaker 1: headache every night in my personal life having to deal

968
00:55:57,120 --> 00:56:01,080
Speaker 1: with filling that arena forty one home games. Anyway, So

969
00:56:01,440 --> 00:56:06,000
Speaker 1: it was New York Knicks and the l A Clippers

970
00:56:06,560 --> 00:56:08,719
Speaker 1: and Detroit had the first pick in the second round,

971
00:56:09,520 --> 00:56:12,600
Speaker 1: and so I went to all these places and Detroit

972
00:56:12,600 --> 00:56:14,279
Speaker 1: slout out told me, we don't launch it in the

973
00:56:14,320 --> 00:56:15,799
Speaker 1: first round. We don't think you're gonna go that high.

974
00:56:15,800 --> 00:56:17,319
Speaker 1: But we do have the first pick in the second round,

975
00:56:17,400 --> 00:56:19,399
Speaker 1: but we'll hope available, and that's what we're working out.

976
00:56:19,640 --> 00:56:22,839
Speaker 1: I said, all right. So I worked out with some

977
00:56:22,920 --> 00:56:25,920
Speaker 1: of the same guys, uh and and some of them

978
00:56:26,000 --> 00:56:28,040
Speaker 1: weren't were different guys, but you know, it's always big

979
00:56:28,080 --> 00:56:30,200
Speaker 1: guys in your position, or if that's who you are,

980
00:56:30,239 --> 00:56:32,800
Speaker 1: if you're a point guard working out with other point guards,

981
00:56:32,920 --> 00:56:35,680
Speaker 1: and you know the guys that were the Chauncey billups

982
00:56:35,719 --> 00:56:38,400
Speaker 1: and and Tim Duncan, those guys always can take a

983
00:56:38,400 --> 00:56:40,160
Speaker 1: pass because they know they're gonna get picked first. Why

984
00:56:40,280 --> 00:56:43,520
Speaker 1: go risk injury and potentially dropping in your your draft

985
00:56:43,520 --> 00:56:45,880
Speaker 1: stock and having a bad workout. So they tend to

986
00:56:46,000 --> 00:56:48,080
Speaker 1: skip their workouts or they have private workouts for the

987
00:56:48,080 --> 00:56:50,600
Speaker 1: teams to come watch them nowadays, but back then, they

988
00:56:50,640 --> 00:56:52,080
Speaker 1: just skipped them and they didn't get they you know,

989
00:56:52,200 --> 00:56:56,040
Speaker 1: nobody invided him because they wouldn't show up anyway. But um,

990
00:56:56,080 --> 00:56:59,160
Speaker 1: you know, I worked my butt off and I remember

991
00:56:59,520 --> 00:57:02,120
Speaker 1: in it lay and I was working against the guy

992
00:57:02,560 --> 00:57:05,880
Speaker 1: and I made him quit. I busted his ass so

993
00:57:05,960 --> 00:57:09,000
Speaker 1: hard I made him quit. He walked out of the workout.

994
00:57:09,000 --> 00:57:10,680
Speaker 1: He said, fuck it, I don't even want to play

995
00:57:10,719 --> 00:57:13,840
Speaker 1: for this team anyway. That's how hard I busted that.

996
00:57:14,440 --> 00:57:18,840
Speaker 1: So my draft workouts all of a sudden turned into

997
00:57:19,280 --> 00:57:23,600
Speaker 1: up in my draft stock. So on Draft B I'm

998
00:57:23,640 --> 00:57:26,080
Speaker 1: wondering why my roommate of college, the best man at

999
00:57:26,120 --> 00:57:30,480
Speaker 1: my wedding, Jock Vaughn, hadn't been picked yet, and and

1000
00:57:30,520 --> 00:57:34,000
Speaker 1: I'm sitting there going man thirteen fourteen, fifteen sixteen, all

1001
00:57:34,000 --> 00:57:36,680
Speaker 1: of a sudden, nineteen pick. I see Jock on TV

1002
00:57:36,720 --> 00:57:38,960
Speaker 1: a little, but I see me on TV, and I'm like, Okay,

1003
00:57:39,200 --> 00:57:41,680
Speaker 1: they must be picking Jock because they're showing highlights and

1004
00:57:41,720 --> 00:57:44,000
Speaker 1: I'm in. I'm in Vegas in a sports book because

1005
00:57:44,000 --> 00:57:46,280
Speaker 1: back then it wasn't like it was on national TV.

1006
00:57:46,400 --> 00:57:48,320
Speaker 1: That was the only place I could watch it in Vegas.

1007
00:57:48,440 --> 00:57:50,200
Speaker 1: And I didn't go because I wasn't playing on them

1008
00:57:50,200 --> 00:57:51,520
Speaker 1: in the first round. I wasn't only one of those

1009
00:57:51,560 --> 00:57:55,120
Speaker 1: guys just happy to be there, you guys, right, you know, so,

1010
00:57:55,640 --> 00:57:58,520
Speaker 1: um I was watching, I saw it all a sudden,

1011
00:57:58,560 --> 00:58:01,480
Speaker 1: I'm like, holy ship, that's beat. They picked me at nineteen.

1012
00:58:02,400 --> 00:58:04,040
Speaker 1: And then also my phone started bringing and I get

1013
00:58:04,080 --> 00:58:05,800
Speaker 1: kicked out of sports book because it couldn't have a

1014
00:58:05,840 --> 00:58:08,760
Speaker 1: phone in sports book. But that that was, that was

1015
00:58:08,840 --> 00:58:11,520
Speaker 1: it is. I beat everybody up and my my workout,

1016
00:58:12,120 --> 00:58:13,640
Speaker 1: and I moved all the way from the late part

1017
00:58:13,640 --> 00:58:16,600
Speaker 1: of the first round to the nineteam pick to Detroit,

1018
00:58:16,680 --> 00:58:19,600
Speaker 1: who basically got bullied into picking me because every single

1019
00:58:19,640 --> 00:58:21,680
Speaker 1: team I worked out with said if I was available,

1020
00:58:21,680 --> 00:58:24,320
Speaker 1: they're gonna take Detroit was like, well, shoot, if they're

1021
00:58:24,320 --> 00:58:26,400
Speaker 1: all gonna take him, then we better take it. And

1022
00:58:26,440 --> 00:58:29,320
Speaker 1: that's really what happened. And so uh. The other story

1023
00:58:29,360 --> 00:58:32,440
Speaker 1: I have with that draft is in college, we played

1024
00:58:32,440 --> 00:58:34,600
Speaker 1: against Wake for US, came to stay against Week for US.

1025
00:58:35,840 --> 00:58:37,680
Speaker 1: I think it was my freshman year against him Duncan,

1026
00:58:37,720 --> 00:58:39,760
Speaker 1: he'd been playing basketball for like five minutes at the time,

1027
00:58:40,120 --> 00:58:41,520
Speaker 1: and we're in the NT double A tournament and I

1028
00:58:41,560 --> 00:58:44,000
Speaker 1: beat about like we we beat the team. But I

1029
00:58:44,000 --> 00:58:47,720
Speaker 1: had a double double on Tim Duncan and I outstrengthed him,

1030
00:58:47,720 --> 00:58:49,640
Speaker 1: and I quick him. I've been playing basketball my whole

1031
00:58:49,680 --> 00:58:53,840
Speaker 1: life and and got it. And the reason I know

1032
00:58:53,960 --> 00:58:56,360
Speaker 1: is because Jared had again, a former teammate of mine

1033
00:58:56,400 --> 00:58:59,720
Speaker 1: at Kansas, played with Tim later on at a us

1034
00:58:59,800 --> 00:59:02,320
Speaker 1: A Limpic festival or something like that, and he was like, man,

1035
00:59:02,360 --> 00:59:05,160
Speaker 1: Tim Duncan hates you. He will never forgive you for that. Well,

1036
00:59:05,200 --> 00:59:06,920
Speaker 1: he took it out on me in the NBA. But

1037
00:59:06,960 --> 00:59:08,640
Speaker 1: the real story here is, and this is true. I

1038
00:59:08,760 --> 00:59:11,040
Speaker 1: verified it with Greg Papovitch when I was doing some

1039
00:59:11,080 --> 00:59:14,320
Speaker 1: media stuff for the Pacers that year. When we were

1040
00:59:14,320 --> 00:59:21,080
Speaker 1: getting drafted, they had probably a second discussion about possibly

1041
00:59:21,120 --> 00:59:23,680
Speaker 1: picking me instead of Tim Duncan with the first pick.

1042
00:59:25,320 --> 00:59:30,960
Speaker 1: That's a fact difference in San Antonio's first history, the

1043
00:59:31,080 --> 00:59:33,919
Speaker 1: franchise history. I guarantee they wouldn't be worth one point

1044
00:59:33,960 --> 00:59:36,600
Speaker 1: five billion ellars right now if he Scott Pollard was

1045
00:59:36,680 --> 00:59:39,200
Speaker 1: the first pick of the nine ninety seven draft instead

1046
00:59:39,240 --> 00:59:43,440
Speaker 1: of Tim Duncan. That's crazy. A brief conversation. Yeah, the

1047
00:59:43,480 --> 00:59:45,480
Speaker 1: GM is a you guy. He was He was an

1048
00:59:45,480 --> 00:59:48,280
Speaker 1: assistant coach under Larry Brown R. C. Buford and he's

1049
00:59:48,280 --> 00:59:52,080
Speaker 1: still there. And Greg Popovitch they saw me play and

1050
00:59:52,800 --> 00:59:54,920
Speaker 1: I told you two years ago, I was doing some

1051
00:59:54,960 --> 00:59:56,560
Speaker 1: stuff for the Pacers and I caught up with Pop

1052
00:59:56,600 --> 00:59:57,840
Speaker 1: and I was like, hey, man, is that a rumor?

1053
00:59:57,880 --> 00:59:59,800
Speaker 1: Is that true? And he said, yeah, actually what It

1054
00:59:59,880 --> 01:00:02,160
Speaker 1: was very short discussion, but we we talked about it,

1055
01:00:02,240 --> 01:00:05,040
Speaker 1: and and one of my other guys are media teams,

1056
01:00:05,440 --> 01:00:09,160
Speaker 1: asked him he'll follow up in the world. Why and

1057
01:00:10,080 --> 01:00:13,480
Speaker 1: Pop was very generous and saying I was more polished

1058
01:00:13,480 --> 01:00:16,200
Speaker 1: at the time, I was stronger, I was more savvy,

1059
01:00:16,400 --> 01:00:20,240
Speaker 1: I was quicker, and I was more NBA ready than

1060
01:00:20,360 --> 01:00:22,040
Speaker 1: Tim Duncan was at the time. But they decided to

1061
01:00:22,080 --> 01:00:24,880
Speaker 1: take the gamble on his upside, and damn it, they

1062
01:00:24,880 --> 01:00:27,600
Speaker 1: were right. Yeah, they were right. So playing against Tim

1063
01:00:27,640 --> 01:00:31,320
Speaker 1: Duncan throughout his entire career, I mean like, he's a

1064
01:00:31,360 --> 01:00:34,280
Speaker 1: guy that we always forget. He was so understated as

1065
01:00:34,320 --> 01:00:36,400
Speaker 1: a player, and then you know, based on what we

1066
01:00:36,440 --> 01:00:39,000
Speaker 1: see as the fans as a fan, you know, he's

1067
01:00:39,080 --> 01:00:41,680
Speaker 1: low key. Uh. He's a guy you may never see

1068
01:00:41,720 --> 01:00:44,480
Speaker 1: again around basketball. He might pop up for an anniversary

1069
01:00:44,480 --> 01:00:46,680
Speaker 1: of this or pop up. He just doesn't seem like

1070
01:00:47,080 --> 01:00:49,240
Speaker 1: you know, he seems like he marches to the beat

1071
01:00:49,240 --> 01:00:52,760
Speaker 1: of his own drun. Uh similar to you. What was

1072
01:00:52,800 --> 01:00:55,480
Speaker 1: it like guarding Tim Duncan when he got his groove

1073
01:00:56,400 --> 01:00:58,760
Speaker 1: with the Spurs and through his career what made him

1074
01:00:58,800 --> 01:01:03,240
Speaker 1: so good? Well, once he got strong again, and even

1075
01:01:03,280 --> 01:01:05,360
Speaker 1: his first couple of years in the NBA, David Robinson

1076
01:01:05,400 --> 01:01:07,160
Speaker 1: had to take a lot of the blows for him.

1077
01:01:07,160 --> 01:01:09,360
Speaker 1: But David's back was bad, So I ended up guarding

1078
01:01:09,440 --> 01:01:13,360
Speaker 1: David more than I guarded uh, Tim, because David was

1079
01:01:13,360 --> 01:01:16,200
Speaker 1: more effective early on in Tim's career at our career.

1080
01:01:16,640 --> 01:01:21,120
Speaker 1: But when Tim finally got strong, you know, he started

1081
01:01:21,320 --> 01:01:24,479
Speaker 1: using those Makale type moves. That's another guy that people

1082
01:01:24,520 --> 01:01:26,720
Speaker 1: don't mention when they talk about power forward in history

1083
01:01:26,720 --> 01:01:30,240
Speaker 1: of the game. Both of those guys were so technical

1084
01:01:30,560 --> 01:01:32,920
Speaker 1: and could just murder you with the half of a

1085
01:01:33,040 --> 01:01:35,840
Speaker 1: second step on you. And it's hard to describe to

1086
01:01:36,040 --> 01:01:38,479
Speaker 1: the people that don't have to bob battle with Twitter

1087
01:01:38,600 --> 01:01:42,680
Speaker 1: duty pounding eyes all the time. But Chimola Jahwan could

1088
01:01:42,680 --> 01:01:44,960
Speaker 1: out quick a pointyard. I guarded him in my rookie year,

1089
01:01:45,640 --> 01:01:47,360
Speaker 1: and he was so quick. He could do kind of

1090
01:01:47,400 --> 01:01:49,640
Speaker 1: stuff like that. Tim, they took up a couple of years,

1091
01:01:49,640 --> 01:01:51,680
Speaker 1: but then he wasn't It wasn't like he was the

1092
01:01:51,760 --> 01:01:53,520
Speaker 1: quickest guy. We all know that. We all know. He

1093
01:01:53,600 --> 01:01:56,120
Speaker 1: wasn't the guy that was all slam duncan on everybody,

1094
01:01:56,160 --> 01:01:58,560
Speaker 1: catching aututes all the time. But what Tim knew how

1095
01:01:58,600 --> 01:02:01,080
Speaker 1: to do better than anybody else our generation was used

1096
01:02:01,080 --> 01:02:03,720
Speaker 1: his body like Kevin McHale. That's why he got that

1097
01:02:03,720 --> 01:02:06,960
Speaker 1: that description there, that comparison. So once Tim and and

1098
01:02:07,120 --> 01:02:09,800
Speaker 1: he was good anyway right away, but once Tim got

1099
01:02:09,840 --> 01:02:13,360
Speaker 1: his strength and and started getting the flow of the

1100
01:02:13,440 --> 01:02:18,920
Speaker 1: NBA game, he he could just out perform with his body.

1101
01:02:18,960 --> 01:02:22,000
Speaker 1: He knew how to use his body so well. And

1102
01:02:22,360 --> 01:02:25,760
Speaker 1: I always go back to the Kevin McHale uh comparison,

1103
01:02:25,840 --> 01:02:29,040
Speaker 1: because there are players that can overwhelm you with their

1104
01:02:29,080 --> 01:02:32,000
Speaker 1: size and strength and ability like Shaquille O'Neil, guys like that,

1105
01:02:32,240 --> 01:02:36,720
Speaker 1: or chemolaj One who was so quick. But with him,

1106
01:02:36,840 --> 01:02:39,240
Speaker 1: he wasn't the most athletic guy. He wasn't the strongest guy.

1107
01:02:39,280 --> 01:02:40,680
Speaker 1: Even towards the end of his career, he wasn't the

1108
01:02:40,680 --> 01:02:42,600
Speaker 1: strongest guy, and especially towards the end of his career

1109
01:02:42,640 --> 01:02:45,200
Speaker 1: he became one of the less strong guys. But what

1110
01:02:45,400 --> 01:02:48,280
Speaker 1: ten knew how to do was be sneaky athletic. He

1111
01:02:48,400 --> 01:02:50,360
Speaker 1: dunk on you if he had to, and he could.

1112
01:02:50,920 --> 01:02:54,000
Speaker 1: But more than that, he knew how to get position

1113
01:02:54,120 --> 01:02:56,560
Speaker 1: on you, be able to create just enough space to

1114
01:02:56,600 --> 01:02:59,400
Speaker 1: get that little soft hook off, or to turn around

1115
01:02:59,440 --> 01:03:03,400
Speaker 1: and shoot that bank or fade away, and just all

1116
01:03:03,400 --> 01:03:05,320
Speaker 1: he needed was a little bit of space, and he

1117
01:03:05,400 --> 01:03:07,800
Speaker 1: knew exactly where you were gonna be, and he would

1118
01:03:07,800 --> 01:03:09,760
Speaker 1: go just a little bit away from that to get

1119
01:03:09,760 --> 01:03:11,640
Speaker 1: his shot off when he was weaker. Then as he

1120
01:03:11,720 --> 01:03:14,360
Speaker 1: got stronger, he could use his body and get in

1121
01:03:14,400 --> 01:03:18,000
Speaker 1: there and get that hook over you without get an

1122
01:03:18,040 --> 01:03:20,720
Speaker 1: offensive foul or without having to bang you down and

1123
01:03:20,720 --> 01:03:23,160
Speaker 1: and and try to get you right uneath the basket

1124
01:03:23,160 --> 01:03:25,680
Speaker 1: like Shack would always do, and back everybody down and

1125
01:03:25,680 --> 01:03:28,120
Speaker 1: then dunk on their face. Tim just got you far

1126
01:03:28,240 --> 01:03:30,120
Speaker 1: enough underneath the basket. But it was a short little

1127
01:03:30,120 --> 01:03:32,360
Speaker 1: hook for him, and then he would just create half

1128
01:03:32,360 --> 01:03:34,640
Speaker 1: a centimeter of space and that's all he needed to

1129
01:03:34,640 --> 01:03:36,640
Speaker 1: get a shot off without being a block. So it

1130
01:03:36,760 --> 01:03:39,520
Speaker 1: was more of his body control and his ability to

1131
01:03:39,600 --> 01:03:43,840
Speaker 1: use his body to leverage himself into a scoring position

1132
01:03:44,720 --> 01:03:47,640
Speaker 1: without having to be brewed strong, without having to be

1133
01:03:48,240 --> 01:03:51,320
Speaker 1: freakishly athletic. And it was just such a mental game

1134
01:03:51,360 --> 01:03:53,840
Speaker 1: and Tim the only thing that wasn't fun about playing

1135
01:03:53,840 --> 01:03:56,800
Speaker 1: against him was he didn't talk. If you could get

1136
01:03:56,840 --> 01:04:00,320
Speaker 1: him to talk, then like I would have had fun

1137
01:04:00,320 --> 01:04:02,680
Speaker 1: with him. I like to talk to guys. Uh. You

1138
01:04:02,720 --> 01:04:04,440
Speaker 1: know some guys I would talk a lot more too,

1139
01:04:04,480 --> 01:04:07,400
Speaker 1: because they were more verbal. Him. He throws something at him,

1140
01:04:07,440 --> 01:04:09,960
Speaker 1: he would just like him. And then he'd scored twenty

1141
01:04:10,000 --> 01:04:12,400
Speaker 1: five points on you and gypt rebounds and he wouldn't

1142
01:04:12,440 --> 01:04:15,720
Speaker 1: even realize it. You know, you've never realized how bad

1143
01:04:15,760 --> 01:04:17,840
Speaker 1: I'm an assassin him was until you looked at the

1144
01:04:17,880 --> 01:04:20,720
Speaker 1: stat sheet and you go, damn, he had eighteen rebounds.

1145
01:04:21,040 --> 01:04:23,120
Speaker 1: I didn't even realize. And when you're faced up on

1146
01:04:23,200 --> 01:04:24,680
Speaker 1: him and he gets it in the post and he

1147
01:04:24,720 --> 01:04:28,000
Speaker 1: turns around on you from twelve fourteen feet out and

1148
01:04:28,120 --> 01:04:32,800
Speaker 1: shoots a jump shot off the glass. I mean it

1149
01:04:32,880 --> 01:04:35,800
Speaker 1: looks he makes it look like it's so easy. I

1150
01:04:35,840 --> 01:04:38,000
Speaker 1: feel like that's one of the hardest shots to make,

1151
01:04:38,040 --> 01:04:40,080
Speaker 1: those shots that he used to make from you know,

1152
01:04:40,680 --> 01:04:44,920
Speaker 1: mid range, off the glass in your face, just like

1153
01:04:45,280 --> 01:04:48,320
Speaker 1: a machine, over and over and over. I mean, that's

1154
01:04:48,320 --> 01:04:50,440
Speaker 1: got to be almost worse than getting dumped on, right,

1155
01:04:51,800 --> 01:04:55,040
Speaker 1: it is, because it's so much more frustrating because it's,

1156
01:04:55,080 --> 01:04:58,240
Speaker 1: as I mentioned, it was just barely over your hand.

1157
01:04:58,680 --> 01:05:01,640
Speaker 1: With a decent shot blocker. I wasn't an excellent shock blocker,

1158
01:05:01,720 --> 01:05:03,520
Speaker 1: but I was a decent shotblocker, and I'd alter a

1159
01:05:03,520 --> 01:05:08,680
Speaker 1: lot of them. And honestly, Kim had to develop that skill.

1160
01:05:08,800 --> 01:05:11,200
Speaker 1: He had to be able to shoot that glass shot

1161
01:05:11,440 --> 01:05:13,680
Speaker 1: because if he tried to go straight in the arc

1162
01:05:13,760 --> 01:05:15,240
Speaker 1: of his hand would be different and he would have

1163
01:05:15,240 --> 01:05:17,520
Speaker 1: got he did get him blocked early, and that's where

1164
01:05:17,520 --> 01:05:19,640
Speaker 1: he had to adjust. And so he's like, well, if

1165
01:05:19,680 --> 01:05:22,360
Speaker 1: I shoot a little bit higher, they're not gonna get blocked.

1166
01:05:22,520 --> 01:05:24,560
Speaker 1: I'm not going to become more athletic than I am.

1167
01:05:24,640 --> 01:05:27,080
Speaker 1: I just am his athletic and damn. So that's how

1168
01:05:27,080 --> 01:05:29,040
Speaker 1: smart he was and how much he practiced on his

1169
01:05:29,080 --> 01:05:32,840
Speaker 1: game and worked on his game. But he said to himself, well,

1170
01:05:32,880 --> 01:05:34,920
Speaker 1: I'm trying to shoot straight in and they're throwing it

1171
01:05:34,960 --> 01:05:37,240
Speaker 1: back to me every time. So I'm gonna turn around

1172
01:05:37,320 --> 01:05:40,360
Speaker 1: and shoot this high arching shot off the glass. No

1173
01:05:40,400 --> 01:05:43,560
Speaker 1: one can touch it, and it's just a centimeter out

1174
01:05:43,560 --> 01:05:45,440
Speaker 1: of everybody's reach in the whole world. It was like

1175
01:05:45,520 --> 01:05:48,120
Speaker 1: Karee skyhook back in the day. You can you can

1176
01:05:48,200 --> 01:05:50,520
Speaker 1: look at it, but it's not you're not touching it

1177
01:05:50,920 --> 01:05:52,960
Speaker 1: because that's the kind of arc that he put on it.

1178
01:05:53,000 --> 01:05:55,840
Speaker 1: He developed that sky hook so that he could overcome

1179
01:05:55,920 --> 01:05:58,360
Speaker 1: all those shot blockers, and that's exactly what Kim Duncan

1180
01:05:58,440 --> 01:06:02,000
Speaker 1: did with that jump shot. It was so frustrating because

1181
01:06:02,000 --> 01:06:04,400
Speaker 1: you're thinking, I got him, I I made him sell

1182
01:06:04,400 --> 01:06:06,400
Speaker 1: out and turn around and try to shoot this j

1183
01:06:06,520 --> 01:06:08,080
Speaker 1: in my face. But then all of a sudden he

1184
01:06:08,080 --> 01:06:10,040
Speaker 1: shoots that hierarchy thing off the glass and you're like,

1185
01:06:10,040 --> 01:06:12,400
Speaker 1: there's no way that's going. Oh my god, it did. Yeah,

1186
01:06:12,520 --> 01:06:14,840
Speaker 1: you said that you like to talk shit, you like

1187
01:06:14,960 --> 01:06:18,200
Speaker 1: to talk, you engage. Now you're in my wheelhouse here. So,

1188
01:06:18,400 --> 01:06:20,480
Speaker 1: I mean, you played so many years who were some

1189
01:06:20,560 --> 01:06:23,400
Speaker 1: of the great trash talkers. You played against Kevin Garnett,

1190
01:06:23,520 --> 01:06:26,160
Speaker 1: who I don't know if he was talking trash. He

1191
01:06:26,320 --> 01:06:28,800
Speaker 1: talked to himself, he talked to you know, he just

1192
01:06:28,960 --> 01:06:31,680
Speaker 1: never shut So throughout your career, who were some of

1193
01:06:31,720 --> 01:06:34,720
Speaker 1: the guys that would get into it. Well, first of all,

1194
01:06:34,840 --> 01:06:36,600
Speaker 1: I am not a ship suffer like you or a

1195
01:06:36,600 --> 01:06:40,880
Speaker 1: ship suffer. There's there's these coach ship talking, then there's

1196
01:06:40,920 --> 01:06:42,920
Speaker 1: West Coast ship talking, and maybe there's gonna be some

1197
01:06:43,000 --> 01:06:47,200
Speaker 1: kind of war over that someday. I was more subtle,

1198
01:06:47,280 --> 01:06:48,880
Speaker 1: I was. I was the kind of guy that would,

1199
01:06:48,880 --> 01:06:51,400
Speaker 1: like I would try to get under people's skin because

1200
01:06:51,880 --> 01:06:55,880
Speaker 1: like Tim Duncan, I knew how my limitation and I

1201
01:06:55,960 --> 01:06:57,440
Speaker 1: knew what I could do, and I knew what I

1202
01:06:57,440 --> 01:06:59,880
Speaker 1: couldn't do. And for the hotheads, if I could get

1203
01:06:59,880 --> 01:07:02,640
Speaker 1: that talking, I could get them worried about this dumb

1204
01:07:02,680 --> 01:07:04,840
Speaker 1: white guy that they think is an idiot, that they

1205
01:07:04,840 --> 01:07:07,960
Speaker 1: think isn't any kind of business in the NBA. Well

1206
01:07:08,000 --> 01:07:09,760
Speaker 1: that's the kind of person. I'll get under their skin

1207
01:07:10,080 --> 01:07:13,520
Speaker 1: and frustrate him. And so that's that was part of

1208
01:07:13,560 --> 01:07:15,480
Speaker 1: my game, was just trying to get people off of

1209
01:07:15,520 --> 01:07:17,600
Speaker 1: their games. You know, whether it's me talking to the

1210
01:07:17,640 --> 01:07:20,080
Speaker 1: crowd while I'm guarding him, like, oh my god, this

1211
01:07:20,120 --> 01:07:21,880
Speaker 1: guy he thinks he's a superstar. Oh my god, And

1212
01:07:21,920 --> 01:07:23,440
Speaker 1: all of a sudden they missed the shot because they

1213
01:07:23,520 --> 01:07:28,160
Speaker 1: hear me getting the crowd laughing at him. So Kevin Garnett,

1214
01:07:28,200 --> 01:07:31,040
Speaker 1: you mentioned him, hated playing against him. He hated playing

1215
01:07:31,040 --> 01:07:34,000
Speaker 1: against me. When we were teammates in Boston my last

1216
01:07:34,080 --> 01:07:37,600
Speaker 1: year in the NBA, we still personally like we knew

1217
01:07:37,640 --> 01:07:40,080
Speaker 1: that Drudge was there, but it was great being on

1218
01:07:40,120 --> 01:07:41,760
Speaker 1: a team with you know like And that's the way

1219
01:07:41,760 --> 01:07:44,600
Speaker 1: it was with me with I shaded playing against if

1220
01:07:44,600 --> 01:07:46,800
Speaker 1: I got the chance to be a teammate of theirs,

1221
01:07:47,200 --> 01:07:48,920
Speaker 1: and then I knew why I hit him because they

1222
01:07:48,920 --> 01:07:51,680
Speaker 1: were competitive like myself. There were a guys that would

1223
01:07:51,680 --> 01:07:53,880
Speaker 1: do anything to win, like myself, and that was Kevin Garnett.

1224
01:07:53,880 --> 01:07:55,600
Speaker 1: And he was part of the reason we won that

1225
01:07:55,680 --> 01:07:57,600
Speaker 1: championship was because he was such a bully. And you

1226
01:07:57,680 --> 01:07:59,640
Speaker 1: gotta have a bully to win a championship. You gonna

1227
01:07:59,680 --> 01:08:01,880
Speaker 1: have somebody that's gonna be able to tell everybody what

1228
01:08:01,920 --> 01:08:04,320
Speaker 1: to do. But I mean, I got to guard Charles

1229
01:08:04,360 --> 01:08:06,840
Speaker 1: Barkley when he was posting up and there's the three

1230
01:08:06,840 --> 01:08:10,640
Speaker 1: point line running the offense from there, and he just

1231
01:08:10,800 --> 01:08:13,919
Speaker 1: he didn't stop talking. He was hilarious. And that's part

1232
01:08:13,920 --> 01:08:16,200
Speaker 1: of where I got mine from. Was it doesn't have

1233
01:08:16,320 --> 01:08:19,400
Speaker 1: to be degrading. And that's that was my West Coast thing,

1234
01:08:19,439 --> 01:08:21,000
Speaker 1: you know, where I'm just kind of subtle and like

1235
01:08:21,120 --> 01:08:24,200
Speaker 1: laid back. I don't go at people, but I'll certainly

1236
01:08:24,240 --> 01:08:26,240
Speaker 1: if they start talking a little bit and they get frustrated,

1237
01:08:26,479 --> 01:08:28,400
Speaker 1: then I'm gonna make them think more. Then I'm gonna

1238
01:08:28,400 --> 01:08:32,479
Speaker 1: get under their skin. Uh. But I love I love

1239
01:08:32,520 --> 01:08:35,120
Speaker 1: getting Kevin Garnett frustrated. Back one time when I was

1240
01:08:35,120 --> 01:08:37,600
Speaker 1: at the Keys and he was with Minnesota. We were

1241
01:08:37,640 --> 01:08:40,439
Speaker 1: in Tokyo playing against each other, and we got talking

1242
01:08:40,439 --> 01:08:42,120
Speaker 1: in the game, chirping back and forth, and then we

1243
01:08:42,120 --> 01:08:43,800
Speaker 1: were going out the same tunnel, of course because it

1244
01:08:43,880 --> 01:08:46,479
Speaker 1: was over there and we're in the tunnel, and he

1245
01:08:46,479 --> 01:08:48,600
Speaker 1: started yelling white boys something like that at me and

1246
01:08:48,640 --> 01:08:49,960
Speaker 1: how to turn around. I was like, I got some

1247
01:08:50,040 --> 01:08:52,200
Speaker 1: choice words for you that I don't use, but I

1248
01:08:52,280 --> 01:08:54,479
Speaker 1: can if you need me to. And you know, it

1249
01:08:54,560 --> 01:08:57,719
Speaker 1: was an NBA fight. Nothing happened, We got pulled apart,

1250
01:08:57,840 --> 01:08:59,680
Speaker 1: we didn't even get close to each other, and it

1251
01:08:59,760 --> 01:09:01,479
Speaker 1: was I'm gonna get you. I'm gonna get you, and

1252
01:09:01,520 --> 01:09:03,439
Speaker 1: a lot of customers and food and it was just

1253
01:09:03,560 --> 01:09:06,320
Speaker 1: you know, typical NBA fight, which nobody gets hurt. It's

1254
01:09:06,360 --> 01:09:08,240
Speaker 1: all screaming, and then there's just fine to hand it out.

1255
01:09:08,240 --> 01:09:09,760
Speaker 1: But they're luckily that one was in the tunnel and

1256
01:09:09,760 --> 01:09:12,080
Speaker 1: nobody knew about it, uh so there was no fine

1257
01:09:12,200 --> 01:09:14,320
Speaker 1: or suspensions or anything like that. And then in the

1258
01:09:14,360 --> 01:09:17,200
Speaker 1: second half, I gave one heart now and the referee

1259
01:09:17,200 --> 01:09:19,120
Speaker 1: called a text, so my coach took me out because

1260
01:09:19,360 --> 01:09:21,920
Speaker 1: it was just like, all right, fine, we're gonna we're

1261
01:09:21,920 --> 01:09:23,519
Speaker 1: gonna solve this right now. And we won the game.

1262
01:09:23,600 --> 01:09:29,639
Speaker 1: So um but gosh, you know, I love talking with Shack.

1263
01:09:30,200 --> 01:09:35,479
Speaker 1: Shack was great. If anybody had a reason to try

1264
01:09:35,520 --> 01:09:38,360
Speaker 1: to take a swing at me and punch me and

1265
01:09:38,360 --> 01:09:40,719
Speaker 1: try to knock me out, it was Shaquille O'Neil because

1266
01:09:40,840 --> 01:09:43,280
Speaker 1: all I did was hang on that man for for

1267
01:09:43,320 --> 01:09:46,040
Speaker 1: eleven years. Because it was like somehow I got this

1268
01:09:46,120 --> 01:09:48,600
Speaker 1: reputation that I'm the Shack stopper, which I never was.

1269
01:09:49,040 --> 01:09:51,559
Speaker 1: Nobody could stop Shack. I slowed him down once in

1270
01:09:51,560 --> 01:09:54,439
Speaker 1: a while, but dude dropped fifty five on the one game,

1271
01:09:55,120 --> 01:09:57,919
Speaker 1: you know, with with help from my counterpart plot of Divas.

1272
01:09:58,040 --> 01:10:01,479
Speaker 1: But you know, there's there's they're slowing somebody down and

1273
01:10:01,520 --> 01:10:03,880
Speaker 1: then they're stopping him. I never got close to stopping Shack,

1274
01:10:04,320 --> 01:10:06,760
Speaker 1: but uh, you know, I hung on him. I would

1275
01:10:06,760 --> 01:10:09,160
Speaker 1: talk to him. You know, he'd make fun of me

1276
01:10:09,240 --> 01:10:12,080
Speaker 1: or this is that. I think he had a little

1277
01:10:12,120 --> 01:10:14,080
Speaker 1: bit of respect for me, and that's why he probably

1278
01:10:14,120 --> 01:10:17,080
Speaker 1: never swung at me. I know for a fact that

1279
01:10:17,439 --> 01:10:20,880
Speaker 1: one time when I free agent in Sacramento, he called

1280
01:10:20,880 --> 01:10:24,720
Speaker 1: an agent and said, hey, can you get him down here.

1281
01:10:24,760 --> 01:10:26,559
Speaker 1: I don't want to play against him and play with him.

1282
01:10:27,240 --> 01:10:29,200
Speaker 1: So I took that as a huge compliment because the

1283
01:10:29,200 --> 01:10:30,840
Speaker 1: Hall of Famer wanted me on his team. And that

1284
01:10:30,920 --> 01:10:32,680
Speaker 1: was back when he was a show with Kobe. And

1285
01:10:33,040 --> 01:10:36,000
Speaker 1: you know, dor they beat us. You know, we were

1286
01:10:36,000 --> 01:10:38,639
Speaker 1: supposed to win the NBA Championship in Sacramento in two

1287
01:10:38,640 --> 01:10:40,760
Speaker 1: thousand two, and and they got us. They got us

1288
01:10:40,760 --> 01:10:43,040
Speaker 1: and ended up taking out the nets with he's in

1289
01:10:43,080 --> 01:10:46,000
Speaker 1: the finals. But um, I love talking against him. I

1290
01:10:46,040 --> 01:10:49,439
Speaker 1: love how good we see. I mean, obviously we we know,

1291
01:10:49,520 --> 01:10:51,760
Speaker 1: but like when you're in there with somebody in his

1292
01:10:51,880 --> 01:10:54,920
Speaker 1: prime like Shack. He's a fucking beast. He's one of

1293
01:10:54,960 --> 01:10:58,280
Speaker 1: a kind, one of the most, if not the most

1294
01:10:58,400 --> 01:11:03,479
Speaker 1: physically gifted basketball players ever. And you're in there, and

1295
01:11:03,520 --> 01:11:06,280
Speaker 1: you know it's like it's like the inevitable is gonna happen.

1296
01:11:06,320 --> 01:11:09,439
Speaker 1: He could post you so low to the basket. How

1297
01:11:09,960 --> 01:11:12,559
Speaker 1: challenging was it to guard Shack? I mean, is there

1298
01:11:12,800 --> 01:11:16,760
Speaker 1: was there anything like if you're gonna do something, do this? Like?

1299
01:11:17,040 --> 01:11:21,800
Speaker 1: Is it avoid contact? Like because you can't out mustle him? Correct? No,

1300
01:11:22,080 --> 01:11:25,040
Speaker 1: I can hold my ground more than those because I

1301
01:11:25,080 --> 01:11:28,479
Speaker 1: was a pretty stronger at two sixty seventy fives throughout

1302
01:11:28,520 --> 01:11:32,240
Speaker 1: my career. But you know he was three fifty three

1303
01:11:32,240 --> 01:11:35,519
Speaker 1: eight he said he was three tan No, No, because

1304
01:11:35,600 --> 01:11:38,040
Speaker 1: I know what that way. It feels like my dad.

1305
01:11:38,400 --> 01:11:40,400
Speaker 1: My dad was three eight before he passed away. I

1306
01:11:40,400 --> 01:11:42,720
Speaker 1: know what three feels like. And all my brothers, three

1307
01:11:42,760 --> 01:11:44,680
Speaker 1: of them, four my brothers are bigger than me. So

1308
01:11:44,760 --> 01:11:46,280
Speaker 1: I see that part of it. It was like I

1309
01:11:46,320 --> 01:11:48,920
Speaker 1: had that training growing up of just giants beating on

1310
01:11:49,000 --> 01:11:50,519
Speaker 1: me when I was a kid, trying to trying to

1311
01:11:50,600 --> 01:11:52,320
Speaker 1: learn how to play game and try to use my

1312
01:11:52,360 --> 01:11:54,960
Speaker 1: body to fight back against guys that were much bigger

1313
01:11:54,960 --> 01:11:56,960
Speaker 1: and stronger than me. And so I think that's part

1314
01:11:56,960 --> 01:11:59,840
Speaker 1: of why I was not ever intimidated by Shack. And

1315
01:12:00,040 --> 01:12:01,720
Speaker 1: you know, it's a battle of attrition. You just do

1316
01:12:01,760 --> 01:12:04,600
Speaker 1: what you can. You know. Lady was a flopper, and

1317
01:12:04,600 --> 01:12:06,200
Speaker 1: then I'd go in and I would bang against him

1318
01:12:06,240 --> 01:12:07,880
Speaker 1: and I'd get a couple of thousds, but Bloody get

1319
01:12:07,920 --> 01:12:10,080
Speaker 1: arrest and then he'd come back in, and so it

1320
01:12:10,200 --> 01:12:12,439
Speaker 1: kept Shack on his toes because he's like, Okay, who's

1321
01:12:12,439 --> 01:12:14,599
Speaker 1: guarding me? Is it the flopper or the guy that's

1322
01:12:14,600 --> 01:12:16,599
Speaker 1: gonna stand up? And I gotta knock him down, you know,

1323
01:12:17,080 --> 01:12:20,120
Speaker 1: so it I think that is why maybe I was

1324
01:12:20,120 --> 01:12:23,519
Speaker 1: a little bit more effective at that point in my career,

1325
01:12:23,600 --> 01:12:26,320
Speaker 1: because we kept shack death and he had to make

1326
01:12:26,320 --> 01:12:28,599
Speaker 1: sure that it was either Bloody or me guarding him,

1327
01:12:28,720 --> 01:12:31,519
Speaker 1: or if it was Chris, because we all threw very

1328
01:12:31,600 --> 01:12:35,559
Speaker 1: very different defenses. Looks at him, you know. Vloddy was

1329
01:12:35,640 --> 01:12:38,439
Speaker 1: just so crappy and he would he sometimes wouldn't even

1330
01:12:38,479 --> 01:12:41,280
Speaker 1: touch Bloody, and Bloody was flying in the air like

1331
01:12:41,360 --> 01:12:42,960
Speaker 1: he had just been slammed in the face with it

1332
01:12:43,040 --> 01:12:45,840
Speaker 1: with a nuclear bomb, and he gets a call and

1333
01:12:45,880 --> 01:12:47,519
Speaker 1: then I'd go in there and I get slammed in

1334
01:12:47,560 --> 01:12:49,680
Speaker 1: the face with a nuclear bomb called shaq Delbo. He

1335
01:12:49,760 --> 01:12:53,880
Speaker 1: knocked me out one time when I hit yeah with

1336
01:12:53,920 --> 01:12:57,160
Speaker 1: his elbow, and I remember waking up on the ground

1337
01:12:57,160 --> 01:13:00,280
Speaker 1: and Chris Webber is staring at me, going, hey, man,

1338
01:13:00,479 --> 01:13:02,639
Speaker 1: calmed down, we need you, we need you. Because apparently,

1339
01:13:02,920 --> 01:13:05,599
Speaker 1: and I don't remember this, apparently, I was screaming, I'm

1340
01:13:05,600 --> 01:13:09,599
Speaker 1: gonna kill him. I'm gonna kill him. And I got up.

1341
01:13:09,680 --> 01:13:11,600
Speaker 1: When I got up and I realized they called the

1342
01:13:11,600 --> 01:13:16,040
Speaker 1: foul on me, then I really lost it. I was like,

1343
01:13:16,320 --> 01:13:18,080
Speaker 1: wait a minute, he just knocked out with his elbow

1344
01:13:18,080 --> 01:13:21,320
Speaker 1: and the fouls on thirty one, so you literally you

1345
01:13:21,439 --> 01:13:24,479
Speaker 1: literally went out for a minute. I was out, and

1346
01:13:24,640 --> 01:13:27,679
Speaker 1: I popped right back up and and I remember playing

1347
01:13:27,680 --> 01:13:29,080
Speaker 1: the rest of the game. And I remember going out

1348
01:13:29,120 --> 01:13:31,400
Speaker 1: to dinner at night and I couldn't shoot my food

1349
01:13:31,680 --> 01:13:34,800
Speaker 1: because my jaw was stuck open. It was so sore.

1350
01:13:34,880 --> 01:13:36,799
Speaker 1: So I just kind of had the soup with dinner

1351
01:13:36,880 --> 01:13:39,519
Speaker 1: and tried to talk with my friends and I drooled

1352
01:13:39,560 --> 01:13:42,160
Speaker 1: my drinks back out of my mouth and and uh,

1353
01:13:42,479 --> 01:13:44,120
Speaker 1: you know, then the next day I could finally close

1354
01:13:44,160 --> 01:13:48,040
Speaker 1: my jaw with some pain. But yeah, I was out

1355
01:13:48,280 --> 01:13:50,240
Speaker 1: until I hit the ground. I don't remember getting hit.

1356
01:13:50,280 --> 01:13:52,200
Speaker 1: I've seen the video of it, but I don't remember it.

1357
01:13:52,960 --> 01:13:55,599
Speaker 1: And I don't remember Chris. Chris told me that Chris

1358
01:13:55,680 --> 01:13:58,920
Speaker 1: was like standing on me, and I remember him, stop

1359
01:13:59,040 --> 01:14:01,800
Speaker 1: and stop it. We need you, need you. So that's

1360
01:14:01,840 --> 01:14:04,559
Speaker 1: my check knocking the out story. But you know, I

1361
01:14:04,600 --> 01:14:07,639
Speaker 1: never I never took anything personal. As I said earlier,

1362
01:14:07,960 --> 01:14:10,040
Speaker 1: I'm surprised he never took a swing at me. So

1363
01:14:10,200 --> 01:14:12,080
Speaker 1: it must seen he had a little bit of respect

1364
01:14:12,080 --> 01:14:15,120
Speaker 1: for me because I wasn't derby. He knew that. And

1365
01:14:15,160 --> 01:14:17,280
Speaker 1: I've talked to him like big selling he stock at

1366
01:14:17,280 --> 01:14:20,599
Speaker 1: that motorcycle, you know, or whatever, and then we get

1367
01:14:20,600 --> 01:14:23,559
Speaker 1: into it and you know, and but but it was

1368
01:14:23,600 --> 01:14:26,479
Speaker 1: never animosity. It was It was not like like Kevin

1369
01:14:26,520 --> 01:14:30,479
Speaker 1: and I or Dwight Howard and I. Dwight was he was.

1370
01:14:30,640 --> 01:14:32,240
Speaker 1: He was a hot head earlier in his career. And

1371
01:14:32,240 --> 01:14:34,760
Speaker 1: I read an article that he wrote recently, and it

1372
01:14:34,800 --> 01:14:37,040
Speaker 1: seems like he's finally maturing a whole lot. And I'm

1373
01:14:37,080 --> 01:14:39,640
Speaker 1: happy for him because early in his career, uh, he

1374
01:14:39,680 --> 01:14:41,360
Speaker 1: had a lot of problems and he admitted to it.

1375
01:14:41,439 --> 01:14:43,519
Speaker 1: You know, he's matured quite a bit. I'm very happy

1376
01:14:43,560 --> 01:14:45,920
Speaker 1: for him, but I don't have an animosities for him.

1377
01:14:45,960 --> 01:14:47,080
Speaker 1: But he was a guy that I could really get

1378
01:14:47,120 --> 01:14:48,760
Speaker 1: under his skin. I could talk to him all day.

1379
01:14:48,800 --> 01:14:53,680
Speaker 1: He seemed really frustrated. Yeah, he And he was so

1380
01:14:53,760 --> 01:14:55,840
Speaker 1: narrow too. He looked really strong, but he was like two.

1381
01:14:56,560 --> 01:14:58,559
Speaker 1: And I could put my hand across his whole lower back.

1382
01:14:58,600 --> 01:15:00,840
Speaker 1: That's how narrow he was. My hand I could just

1383
01:15:00,880 --> 01:15:03,320
Speaker 1: control him, put one hand on his lower back, and

1384
01:15:03,320 --> 01:15:04,880
Speaker 1: he'd be like, yeah, he's hold of me. He's hold

1385
01:15:04,880 --> 01:15:07,799
Speaker 1: of me, like he's got one hand on you. That's holding.

1386
01:15:08,200 --> 01:15:09,960
Speaker 1: It was just his he was so narrow. I could

1387
01:15:10,000 --> 01:15:12,000
Speaker 1: just push him around and he hated that. And so

1388
01:15:12,040 --> 01:15:13,400
Speaker 1: I talked to him like, man, you need to at

1389
01:15:13,400 --> 01:15:14,840
Speaker 1: the weight room. You look all strong, but you got

1390
01:15:14,880 --> 01:15:17,479
Speaker 1: pretty muscles. You know, you don't have strong muscles. You

1391
01:15:17,560 --> 01:15:21,400
Speaker 1: got pretty much that. He hated that. Two thousand and

1392
01:15:21,400 --> 01:15:24,040
Speaker 1: one series, you're with the Kings. This is an iconic

1393
01:15:24,120 --> 01:15:28,400
Speaker 1: Sacramento Kings team. Rick Adelman. You had the arena. People

1394
01:15:28,479 --> 01:15:30,280
Speaker 1: used to bring the cowbells in there. You used to

1395
01:15:30,360 --> 01:15:35,839
Speaker 1: drive Phil Jackson crazy. This is the Tim Donahey series,

1396
01:15:35,880 --> 01:15:39,720
Speaker 1: the NBA ref who was shamed. When You've found out

1397
01:15:39,760 --> 01:15:42,320
Speaker 1: that Tim Donnie he was gambling on games. Were you like,

1398
01:15:42,439 --> 01:15:44,559
Speaker 1: holy fucking ship, do you do you like? Did he

1399
01:15:44,680 --> 01:15:46,519
Speaker 1: stick out as a referee to you at all? Do

1400
01:15:46,520 --> 01:15:49,120
Speaker 1: you have any memories of of him? And like how

1401
01:15:49,200 --> 01:15:54,280
Speaker 1: mind blowing was that when you found out about that? Well, Uh,

1402
01:15:54,439 --> 01:15:57,320
Speaker 1: first of all, there there's there's not that in any

1403
01:15:57,400 --> 01:15:59,599
Speaker 1: NBA referees. If you've been in the league for three

1404
01:15:59,640 --> 01:16:02,759
Speaker 1: or four years, you know most of them by first

1405
01:16:02,840 --> 01:16:05,519
Speaker 1: name because you see them. And then it's the same

1406
01:16:05,520 --> 01:16:08,479
Speaker 1: group of people all the time. Um so yeah, I

1407
01:16:08,520 --> 01:16:11,000
Speaker 1: remember tim ref and a lot of our games. But

1408
01:16:11,080 --> 01:16:12,800
Speaker 1: first of all, it was two thousand two with that

1409
01:16:12,920 --> 01:16:15,679
Speaker 1: game that the Game six that was in the Western

1410
01:16:15,680 --> 01:16:18,160
Speaker 1: Conference Finals. It was two thousand two Western Conference Finals

1411
01:16:18,240 --> 01:16:23,120
Speaker 1: where Game six, uh, seemingly a lot of people there's controversy.

1412
01:16:23,200 --> 01:16:27,240
Speaker 1: Ralph Nader wrote a letter to the NBA commissioners and hey, uh,

1413
01:16:27,400 --> 01:16:30,439
Speaker 1: something went wrong there that was not a legitimate you

1414
01:16:30,479 --> 01:16:34,599
Speaker 1: know uh. And to that, I say, okay, fine, let's

1415
01:16:34,640 --> 01:16:37,360
Speaker 1: say that existed and it was it was illegitimate in

1416
01:16:37,360 --> 01:16:39,679
Speaker 1: the referee six game. Let's say that. I'm not saying that,

1417
01:16:39,800 --> 01:16:42,559
Speaker 1: but let's say that we still had Game seven at home,

1418
01:16:43,240 --> 01:16:44,960
Speaker 1: and we laid an e. We did take care of

1419
01:16:45,000 --> 01:16:47,240
Speaker 1: business at home, We earned home court advantage, we had

1420
01:16:47,240 --> 01:16:49,120
Speaker 1: the best record, in league sixty one wins that year,

1421
01:16:49,760 --> 01:16:52,080
Speaker 1: and we were dominating everybody all year long. We had

1422
01:16:52,080 --> 01:16:54,280
Speaker 1: a winning record against the Lakers that year, and we

1423
01:16:54,320 --> 01:16:56,479
Speaker 1: had home court advantag against them in the seven game series.

1424
01:16:56,840 --> 01:16:59,679
Speaker 1: That's why you have seven game series, so you can

1425
01:16:59,720 --> 01:17:02,120
Speaker 1: earn home court advantage, and we earned it. And then

1426
01:17:02,120 --> 01:17:06,280
Speaker 1: in Game seven we shipped the bed. So we can't say,

1427
01:17:06,280 --> 01:17:08,519
Speaker 1: oh man, we should have had an NBA championship if

1428
01:17:08,520 --> 01:17:11,280
Speaker 1: it wasn't for the referee, even if you subscribe to that,

1429
01:17:11,320 --> 01:17:14,519
Speaker 1: and I'm not saying I do. Certainly we were all

1430
01:17:14,560 --> 01:17:17,519
Speaker 1: scratching our heads. Certainly, it messed with our minds. Certainly

1431
01:17:17,920 --> 01:17:22,160
Speaker 1: it altered our perspective going into Game seven. Uh, But

1432
01:17:23,479 --> 01:17:26,400
Speaker 1: can we blame the entire series on the referee? Now?

1433
01:17:26,400 --> 01:17:29,160
Speaker 1: And I never, I ever would I blame any game

1434
01:17:29,200 --> 01:17:32,400
Speaker 1: on a referee, because let's say it comes down to

1435
01:17:32,479 --> 01:17:35,000
Speaker 1: a call at the end of the game and you go,

1436
01:17:35,080 --> 01:17:38,560
Speaker 1: oh man, that call went the other way and it

1437
01:17:38,560 --> 01:17:40,280
Speaker 1: should have gone our way, and that's why we lost

1438
01:17:40,280 --> 01:17:41,880
Speaker 1: the game. Well, you shouldn't have been in that position.

1439
01:17:41,920 --> 01:17:44,080
Speaker 1: If you're a better team, one call can't make or

1440
01:17:44,080 --> 01:17:46,200
Speaker 1: break a game for you. And yeah, it might be

1441
01:17:46,240 --> 01:17:47,800
Speaker 1: the last call of the game, and it might be

1442
01:17:47,840 --> 01:17:50,760
Speaker 1: the one with one second lesson I'm the clock, But

1443
01:17:50,840 --> 01:17:53,280
Speaker 1: if you had gotten five more rebounds in the game,

1444
01:17:53,439 --> 01:17:56,040
Speaker 1: it's a blowout. If you had made your free throws,

1445
01:17:56,800 --> 01:17:58,720
Speaker 1: you win by four, and that call doesn't matter. And

1446
01:17:58,760 --> 01:18:00,479
Speaker 1: that's that's where I look at it from a long

1447
01:18:00,560 --> 01:18:03,800
Speaker 1: term section. Were you perfect throughout the game? No, Well,

1448
01:18:03,920 --> 01:18:05,559
Speaker 1: referee made a mistake. It just happened to be at

1449
01:18:05,560 --> 01:18:08,080
Speaker 1: an important time in the game. So that's why I

1450
01:18:08,080 --> 01:18:11,000
Speaker 1: always trying to translate to team, especially as I got older,

1451
01:18:11,040 --> 01:18:15,800
Speaker 1: and especially after that experience. Um, you know that that

1452
01:18:15,800 --> 01:18:17,600
Speaker 1: that became something I used to tell younger players. I

1453
01:18:17,600 --> 01:18:19,479
Speaker 1: remember telling Lebron that one time because he was talking

1454
01:18:19,520 --> 01:18:21,040
Speaker 1: about the referees after a game and I told him

1455
01:18:21,080 --> 01:18:23,320
Speaker 1: that story. He said, you know what, You're right, you

1456
01:18:23,320 --> 01:18:26,439
Speaker 1: can't blame it on the referees because we should have

1457
01:18:26,439 --> 01:18:29,080
Speaker 1: been in a better position where one call doesn't determine

1458
01:18:29,080 --> 01:18:32,880
Speaker 1: the outcome of the game. And so back to Tim donnaghey, Yeah,

1459
01:18:32,960 --> 01:18:35,800
Speaker 1: I mean there was other referees that that I had

1460
01:18:35,880 --> 01:18:39,000
Speaker 1: horrible times with and the Kings had horrible times with.

1461
01:18:39,400 --> 01:18:41,519
Speaker 1: And I know some fans have done these these crazy

1462
01:18:41,560 --> 01:18:45,720
Speaker 1: studies about if this referee rest our games, we had

1463
01:18:45,720 --> 01:18:49,639
Speaker 1: a chance of winning. Uh. And if this referee had

1464
01:18:50,080 --> 01:18:53,360
Speaker 1: referee the Lakers game, the same referee rest of Lakers

1465
01:18:53,400 --> 01:18:55,880
Speaker 1: during that time, they had an eight percent chance of winning.

1466
01:18:56,240 --> 01:18:58,920
Speaker 1: So it was it was like they want the time

1467
01:18:59,000 --> 01:19:02,519
Speaker 1: that guy reft him and and we only won at

1468
01:19:02,520 --> 01:19:06,080
Speaker 1: a time when that same referee reffed us versus other competition,

1469
01:19:06,120 --> 01:19:09,080
Speaker 1: not just versus each other. So you know, he can

1470
01:19:09,120 --> 01:19:11,080
Speaker 1: break it out down all kind of ways and you

1471
01:19:11,080 --> 01:19:13,120
Speaker 1: can get all the conspiracy theories out there. At bottom

1472
01:19:13,120 --> 01:19:15,719
Speaker 1: line is Tim Donahe is a human and he decided

1473
01:19:15,760 --> 01:19:17,680
Speaker 1: to take a different route and try to make some

1474
01:19:17,720 --> 01:19:20,680
Speaker 1: money on the side by gambling. I don't hate him,

1475
01:19:20,720 --> 01:19:23,280
Speaker 1: but nobody's perfect, and no league is perfect. There's bad

1476
01:19:23,280 --> 01:19:25,360
Speaker 1: ship going on in all Beliegue. You don't know that.

1477
01:19:25,479 --> 01:19:28,760
Speaker 1: There's the social media brings everything to the light nowadays.

1478
01:19:28,920 --> 01:19:31,479
Speaker 1: You cannot hide anything. I don't know how anybody tries

1479
01:19:31,479 --> 01:19:33,920
Speaker 1: to commit a crime nowadays, I really don't. It's like,

1480
01:19:34,240 --> 01:19:35,719
Speaker 1: what did you think You're not gonna be on camera?

1481
01:19:36,720 --> 01:19:40,439
Speaker 1: The cameras everywhere, So that's where I'm I. I get

1482
01:19:40,520 --> 01:19:43,400
Speaker 1: stuck on people going, oh yeah, Tim donnahe he did

1483
01:19:43,400 --> 01:19:45,120
Speaker 1: this and we should have a championship. A lot of

1484
01:19:45,120 --> 01:19:47,439
Speaker 1: fans have said that to me in Sacramento, and I go, well,

1485
01:19:47,479 --> 01:19:49,599
Speaker 1: first of all, Tim Donna, he didn't rest that game.

1486
01:19:49,800 --> 01:19:52,160
Speaker 1: He wasn't there. He was in the league and he

1487
01:19:52,160 --> 01:19:54,400
Speaker 1: reped a lot of our games, but he wasn't there

1488
01:19:54,400 --> 01:19:56,880
Speaker 1: for Game six. He wasn't one of those referees. But

1489
01:19:57,439 --> 01:20:00,200
Speaker 1: he did come out when he was after he'd been caught,

1490
01:20:00,280 --> 01:20:06,200
Speaker 1: and he said in that game, he said, how tough

1491
01:20:06,320 --> 01:20:09,240
Speaker 1: was that lost that season? Because you guys had all

1492
01:20:09,280 --> 01:20:12,639
Speaker 1: the hope. You know, Weber was cooking. I mean, you guys,

1493
01:20:12,920 --> 01:20:16,200
Speaker 1: you know you had been through sort of the natural evolution,

1494
01:20:16,760 --> 01:20:20,400
Speaker 1: which in my opinion, has left the game with you know,

1495
01:20:20,439 --> 01:20:22,639
Speaker 1: like going back to the eighties, you know, like Isaiah

1496
01:20:22,680 --> 01:20:25,439
Speaker 1: Thomas and the Pistons had to get over Boston and

1497
01:20:25,439 --> 01:20:27,880
Speaker 1: then Isaiah Thomas and the Pistons had to get you know,

1498
01:20:27,960 --> 01:20:30,080
Speaker 1: past the Lakers, and then they finally wanted and of

1499
01:20:30,120 --> 01:20:32,720
Speaker 1: course Jordan, they had to get over their things. And

1500
01:20:32,760 --> 01:20:35,559
Speaker 1: some teams get over the hump. Some teams don't. My

1501
01:20:35,640 --> 01:20:38,439
Speaker 1: Knicks never got over the hump. We came close, you know.

1502
01:20:38,520 --> 01:20:41,160
Speaker 1: The nineties Knicks, the iconic teams, like, you know, we

1503
01:20:41,200 --> 01:20:44,479
Speaker 1: didn't get there. That team were dear Sacramento Kings and

1504
01:20:44,560 --> 01:20:48,320
Speaker 1: that loss to Shock in his prime, Kobe and his prime,

1505
01:20:48,360 --> 01:20:51,400
Speaker 1: Phil Jackson and his coaching prime, and just everybody that

1506
01:20:51,479 --> 01:20:53,800
Speaker 1: was a part of that Laker team. How hard was

1507
01:20:53,840 --> 01:20:56,960
Speaker 1: it to sort of accept, you know, we're just not

1508
01:20:57,080 --> 01:20:59,280
Speaker 1: better than these teams. You know, it doesn't matter about

1509
01:20:59,280 --> 01:21:02,080
Speaker 1: the regular season, like, we're just not gonna get there.

1510
01:21:02,080 --> 01:21:04,240
Speaker 1: Because I was rooting for the Kings. I mean, you

1511
01:21:04,280 --> 01:21:06,720
Speaker 1: guys had Baby and before that you had my Man

1512
01:21:06,760 --> 01:21:09,320
Speaker 1: White Chocolate. It was I mean, that was an iconic

1513
01:21:09,520 --> 01:21:12,120
Speaker 1: That was the last of the great Sacramento Kings teams.

1514
01:21:12,120 --> 01:21:14,880
Speaker 1: How tough was that to sort of swallow, fuck it, man,

1515
01:21:14,880 --> 01:21:18,200
Speaker 1: we're just not as good as these guys. Well after

1516
01:21:18,240 --> 01:21:22,600
Speaker 1: that season it did it was like, damn, are we

1517
01:21:22,680 --> 01:21:24,600
Speaker 1: ever going to because it wasn't like that was the

1518
01:21:24,640 --> 01:21:27,120
Speaker 1: first time we saw the Lakers in the playoffs and

1519
01:21:27,160 --> 01:21:29,800
Speaker 1: the first time we had had some success with them

1520
01:21:29,880 --> 01:21:32,519
Speaker 1: or against them, because we have average playing them the

1521
01:21:32,520 --> 01:21:34,679
Speaker 1: whole time. I was at segrament of team for five seasons.

1522
01:21:34,920 --> 01:21:37,040
Speaker 1: We played him twice in the preseason, four times in

1523
01:21:37,120 --> 01:21:40,360
Speaker 1: the regular season and then most seasons I don't know exactly.

1524
01:21:40,400 --> 01:21:42,000
Speaker 1: I think it was three or four out of five

1525
01:21:42,600 --> 01:21:44,120
Speaker 1: of the seasons I was there. We played him in

1526
01:21:44,160 --> 01:21:46,679
Speaker 1: the postseason too, so we were averaging double digit games

1527
01:21:46,680 --> 01:21:49,320
Speaker 1: against these guys every year. That's how rivalries are for him.

1528
01:21:49,439 --> 01:21:51,200
Speaker 1: And we're thinking, all right, we're gonna get over this year.

1529
01:21:51,200 --> 01:21:52,760
Speaker 1: We're gonna get him. Were gonna get him this year.

1530
01:21:53,000 --> 01:21:55,759
Speaker 1: Two thousand two was the year, and it didn't happen.

1531
01:21:56,080 --> 01:21:57,920
Speaker 1: And then we go into two thousand three and in

1532
01:21:57,960 --> 01:22:01,200
Speaker 1: the fall, my back breaks out for four months and

1533
01:22:01,240 --> 01:22:04,400
Speaker 1: then I get back. First game back, I broke my hand. Personally,

1534
01:22:04,479 --> 01:22:08,040
Speaker 1: I'm going, damn, I am never gonna win an NBA championship.

1535
01:22:08,280 --> 01:22:10,080
Speaker 1: You know that doubt crept into my mind. And I

1536
01:22:10,160 --> 01:22:12,479
Speaker 1: always did my best throughout my whole career because you

1537
01:22:12,520 --> 01:22:14,599
Speaker 1: have to put doubt out of your mind and just

1538
01:22:14,640 --> 01:22:17,040
Speaker 1: work and work and working. So I did. But I

1539
01:22:17,080 --> 01:22:20,559
Speaker 1: came back, came back strong, beat the crap out of

1540
01:22:20,560 --> 01:22:23,120
Speaker 1: the Indiana Pacers in their building here. I had seventeen

1541
01:22:23,120 --> 01:22:25,599
Speaker 1: and eighteen or something like that. And then that summer

1542
01:22:25,720 --> 01:22:28,960
Speaker 1: during the draft, I got traded on TV. I didn't

1543
01:22:29,000 --> 01:22:33,320
Speaker 1: even know it, but you literally found out from watching TV.

1544
01:22:34,600 --> 01:22:36,439
Speaker 1: I was watching the draft. I was playing cards with

1545
01:22:36,520 --> 01:22:39,479
Speaker 1: my friends in Kansas, and uh, They're like, hey, turn

1546
01:22:39,520 --> 01:22:41,479
Speaker 1: the draft on. Some Kansas guys are gonna get picked.

1547
01:22:41,520 --> 01:22:43,759
Speaker 1: Maybe I was like, well, yeah, this guy is blue.

1548
01:22:43,800 --> 01:22:45,559
Speaker 1: Of course some Kansas guys are gonna pick. But yeah,

1549
01:22:45,560 --> 01:22:47,400
Speaker 1: we'll watch the draft see if they get picked. And

1550
01:22:47,439 --> 01:22:49,120
Speaker 1: then with the third team tick and the two thousand

1551
01:22:49,240 --> 01:22:51,720
Speaker 1: three NBA Draft, there's a three team deal and I'm

1552
01:22:51,760 --> 01:22:55,600
Speaker 1: one of the pieces. I was like, damn, so I

1553
01:22:55,640 --> 01:22:59,680
Speaker 1: had no idea and and but pure point, Mike, you know,

1554
01:23:00,120 --> 01:23:03,320
Speaker 1: the run was over in two thousand two two three.

1555
01:23:03,760 --> 01:23:06,400
Speaker 1: Our minds were shook, are we ever gonna do it?

1556
01:23:06,439 --> 01:23:08,160
Speaker 1: And then when I got hurt. I'm not saying I

1557
01:23:08,160 --> 01:23:10,559
Speaker 1: was the biggest piece of the puzzle, but I was

1558
01:23:10,600 --> 01:23:14,400
Speaker 1: a big piece of dealing with Shack. And throughout that year,

1559
01:23:14,439 --> 01:23:16,800
Speaker 1: four months of the season, I was out. You know,

1560
01:23:16,880 --> 01:23:18,600
Speaker 1: we played them a couple of times and and no,

1561
01:23:18,840 --> 01:23:21,520
Speaker 1: there was nobody's a bang against Shack on the team.

1562
01:23:21,600 --> 01:23:23,400
Speaker 1: And then all of a sudden that summer I get

1563
01:23:23,400 --> 01:23:26,360
Speaker 1: traded and then they got Brad Miller, and you know,

1564
01:23:26,560 --> 01:23:28,200
Speaker 1: he took a swing at Brad Miller. He didn't like

1565
01:23:28,240 --> 01:23:30,639
Speaker 1: playing against Brad Miller. Brad couldn't mess with him physically,

1566
01:23:30,760 --> 01:23:32,360
Speaker 1: you know. It was just he would poke at him

1567
01:23:32,360 --> 01:23:34,679
Speaker 1: and tall him and just hang on him as opposed

1568
01:23:34,720 --> 01:23:37,080
Speaker 1: to banging with him and trying to stand up to him,

1569
01:23:37,080 --> 01:23:39,439
Speaker 1: which I think Shack again respected a little bit about

1570
01:23:39,439 --> 01:23:42,600
Speaker 1: being more than other guys when you got traded to

1571
01:23:43,160 --> 01:23:46,360
Speaker 1: the Indiana Pacers. This is Reggie Miller in his last

1572
01:23:46,400 --> 01:23:49,479
Speaker 1: few years. Jermaine O'Neil Ronard tests before he was met

1573
01:23:49,520 --> 01:23:53,760
Speaker 1: U Jamal Tinsley. Uh, this is like, uh, you know

1574
01:23:53,800 --> 01:23:58,320
Speaker 1: another iconic you know, uh team from the early two thousands.

1575
01:23:58,920 --> 01:24:01,800
Speaker 1: Larry Bird is the GM. First of all, Larry Bird.

1576
01:24:01,840 --> 01:24:03,760
Speaker 1: Did he ever come around, like do you hear these

1577
01:24:03,760 --> 01:24:05,680
Speaker 1: stories that keep coming to practice? Did you did he

1578
01:24:05,720 --> 01:24:09,000
Speaker 1: ever come actually and shoot around in practice? Do you

1579
01:24:09,000 --> 01:24:12,080
Speaker 1: ever see Larry Bird the GM shoot around when you

1580
01:24:12,080 --> 01:24:15,840
Speaker 1: were with the Pacers shoot around. No, he was always

1581
01:24:15,840 --> 01:24:18,200
Speaker 1: wearing a suit and dress shoes. But he'd come in

1582
01:24:18,240 --> 01:24:19,479
Speaker 1: and be like, where are you want me to make

1583
01:24:19,520 --> 01:24:21,800
Speaker 1: it from? And then he would make it from there

1584
01:24:21,960 --> 01:24:26,320
Speaker 1: and then yeah, but but never like getting in the

1585
01:24:26,400 --> 01:24:28,840
Speaker 1: clothes and shoot around with us. No, but you're right,

1586
01:24:28,920 --> 01:24:31,040
Speaker 1: it was. It was. We got to the Eastern Conference

1587
01:24:31,080 --> 01:24:34,400
Speaker 1: Finals to over three O four and Detroit took us.

1588
01:24:35,280 --> 01:24:38,040
Speaker 1: But that was another team that got over the hump.

1589
01:24:38,080 --> 01:24:40,519
Speaker 1: Finally they were in the finals and one then Larry

1590
01:24:40,560 --> 01:24:44,040
Speaker 1: retired from coaching, became at GM and and they're trying

1591
01:24:44,080 --> 01:24:47,200
Speaker 1: to make pieces of the puzzle fit around Jermaine and

1592
01:24:47,240 --> 01:24:51,120
Speaker 1: Reggie's last few years of being a superstar. And we

1593
01:24:51,200 --> 01:24:52,719
Speaker 1: got over the hump. We got to the Eastern Conference

1594
01:24:52,760 --> 01:24:55,839
Speaker 1: Finals and all of a sudden, you know, Detroit steals

1595
01:24:55,840 --> 01:24:57,559
Speaker 1: one from us. We had the best record in the league,

1596
01:24:57,800 --> 01:24:59,400
Speaker 1: and I'm said there going, damn, I'm in the Western

1597
01:24:59,439 --> 01:25:02,200
Speaker 1: Comfence Final, the best records league, in the Eastern Commerce Finals,

1598
01:25:02,240 --> 01:25:05,519
Speaker 1: best record league. We did just one plane. And again

1599
01:25:05,680 --> 01:25:07,760
Speaker 1: I've never blamed it loss on a referee, but I

1600
01:25:07,760 --> 01:25:10,040
Speaker 1: can certainly blame it on a teammate when we make

1601
01:25:10,080 --> 01:25:12,120
Speaker 1: bonehead to play after bone head to play, after bonehead

1602
01:25:12,120 --> 01:25:14,639
Speaker 1: to play, and and then you know, after that, then

1603
01:25:15,240 --> 01:25:18,679
Speaker 1: the next year we tried it again, almost got there. Uh,

1604
01:25:18,720 --> 01:25:20,600
Speaker 1: and then the mouse and the palace happened and that

1605
01:25:20,720 --> 01:25:23,080
Speaker 1: was the end of that. Well, what you were there

1606
01:25:23,120 --> 01:25:26,080
Speaker 1: that night, right, Yeah, I was in a suit, but

1607
01:25:26,160 --> 01:25:28,400
Speaker 1: I was there. Yeah, so what do you remember about

1608
01:25:28,439 --> 01:25:31,000
Speaker 1: that night? Like how crazy was the malice at the palace?

1609
01:25:32,640 --> 01:25:34,800
Speaker 1: I've never been scared in the NBA game, and I

1610
01:25:34,840 --> 01:25:37,799
Speaker 1: wasn't scared of this one. But it was a surreal

1611
01:25:37,880 --> 01:25:39,800
Speaker 1: feeling when all of a sudden the people just started

1612
01:25:39,840 --> 01:25:44,679
Speaker 1: pouring onto the court. Because you know, back then, uh

1613
01:25:44,720 --> 01:25:47,120
Speaker 1: there there wasn't the security protocol that there is now.

1614
01:25:47,160 --> 01:25:48,800
Speaker 1: To get into an NBA game, you go through a

1615
01:25:48,800 --> 01:25:51,040
Speaker 1: metal detector. Back then, you didn't. And I think part

1616
01:25:51,040 --> 01:25:52,920
Speaker 1: of the reason why you do now is because of that,

1617
01:25:53,760 --> 01:25:56,160
Speaker 1: because they didn't have nearly the security staff they needed

1618
01:25:56,520 --> 01:25:58,559
Speaker 1: to be able to stop people from getting onto the court.

1619
01:25:58,960 --> 01:26:01,559
Speaker 1: But it was that was It was that people coming down.

1620
01:26:01,840 --> 01:26:03,479
Speaker 1: You don't know if they's got a knife, you don't

1621
01:26:03,479 --> 01:26:05,479
Speaker 1: know if they've got a fork, but you know whatever,

1622
01:26:06,680 --> 01:26:09,120
Speaker 1: um And so that was that was a little bit

1623
01:26:09,160 --> 01:26:12,879
Speaker 1: nerve racking. But again, the closest I got was Jermaine

1624
01:26:12,920 --> 01:26:15,320
Speaker 1: was down by me, uh towards the end of the

1625
01:26:15,360 --> 01:26:17,160
Speaker 1: bench and and we're just kind of trying to stay

1626
01:26:17,280 --> 01:26:19,320
Speaker 1: here at the bench area because we're trying to avoid

1627
01:26:19,320 --> 01:26:22,800
Speaker 1: fine penalties and all that kind of stuff, and this

1628
01:26:22,880 --> 01:26:25,160
Speaker 1: dude comes running onto the court and you could see

1629
01:26:25,200 --> 01:26:27,080
Speaker 1: it in his face. As soon as he got close

1630
01:26:27,120 --> 01:26:29,599
Speaker 1: to us, you saw his eyes chained into I'm gonna

1631
01:26:29,600 --> 01:26:32,679
Speaker 1: get him from from I'm gonna get him to Holy Ship.

1632
01:26:32,760 --> 01:26:35,840
Speaker 1: They're a lot bigger in person. And he started to

1633
01:26:35,880 --> 01:26:38,080
Speaker 1: go back on his heels a little bit and Jermaine

1634
01:26:38,120 --> 01:26:42,040
Speaker 1: was like, huh. And luckily for this man, Jermaine slipped

1635
01:26:42,040 --> 01:26:43,920
Speaker 1: on some soda or some beer or whatever is on

1636
01:26:43,960 --> 01:26:47,240
Speaker 1: the floor and he knissed him. Because Jermaine was throwing

1637
01:26:47,280 --> 01:26:50,840
Speaker 1: a tutter and seventy pounds seven foot tall man all

1638
01:26:51,000 --> 01:26:54,439
Speaker 1: he could put into it, haymaker at this poor dude,

1639
01:26:55,000 --> 01:26:57,439
Speaker 1: And luckily Jermaine slipped, because that dude would have been dead.

1640
01:26:57,720 --> 01:27:00,799
Speaker 1: There's a reason there's weight classes in boxing and resting

1641
01:27:01,200 --> 01:27:05,600
Speaker 1: and all that, because there there's physics. And Jermaine was

1642
01:27:05,600 --> 01:27:07,639
Speaker 1: putting everything he had into that punch, and he still

1643
01:27:07,720 --> 01:27:09,240
Speaker 1: hit the guy on the shoulder and knocked them right

1644
01:27:09,320 --> 01:27:11,000
Speaker 1: onto that. But if he had hit him in the

1645
01:27:11,000 --> 01:27:14,000
Speaker 1: face of the temple, that might that that man might

1646
01:27:14,000 --> 01:27:16,840
Speaker 1: not have got up. And so right after that, that's

1647
01:27:16,840 --> 01:27:18,880
Speaker 1: what we skated out. And that was that was a

1648
01:27:18,960 --> 01:27:21,560
Speaker 1: close action that I have the biggest memory of it

1649
01:27:21,600 --> 01:27:24,040
Speaker 1: that night. There's other stuff, but that's the biggest memory

1650
01:27:24,040 --> 01:27:25,759
Speaker 1: I have it at night is how lucky that dude

1651
01:27:25,840 --> 01:27:30,120
Speaker 1: was that Jermaine slipped, because yeah, Jermaine would have killed him.

1652
01:27:30,160 --> 01:27:32,639
Speaker 1: When you guys finally got into the locker room, like again,

1653
01:27:32,720 --> 01:27:35,240
Speaker 1: you know, it's it's not that long ago, but technology

1654
01:27:35,600 --> 01:27:37,559
Speaker 1: has changed so much and we have so many more

1655
01:27:37,640 --> 01:27:41,040
Speaker 1: cameras everywhere. When you got in the locker room, like

1656
01:27:41,280 --> 01:27:45,040
Speaker 1: Ron and Steven Jackson, I mean, you know, like this

1657
01:27:45,040 --> 01:27:48,599
Speaker 1: this incident that no one planned. I'm sure everybody came

1658
01:27:48,600 --> 01:27:51,040
Speaker 1: to terms with the regret and like, what the funk happened?

1659
01:27:51,080 --> 01:27:53,360
Speaker 1: Like what was going on in the Indiana Pacers locker

1660
01:27:53,439 --> 01:27:58,760
Speaker 1: room after such a chaotic, unpredictable event happened, Do you

1661
01:27:59,000 --> 01:28:04,839
Speaker 1: remember like what anyone was saying? Yeah, that's the funniest

1662
01:28:04,840 --> 01:28:07,080
Speaker 1: thing maybe I've ever heard of my whole life. Ron

1663
01:28:07,160 --> 01:28:10,679
Speaker 1: Artest now metal world peace. He looks around and everybody

1664
01:28:10,680 --> 01:28:12,800
Speaker 1: as we get calmed down and finally guys that stopped

1665
01:28:12,800 --> 01:28:14,639
Speaker 1: screaming at the coaches or trying to calm us down

1666
01:28:14,640 --> 01:28:16,599
Speaker 1: and all that stuff like that, the adrenaline calmed down

1667
01:28:16,600 --> 01:28:19,720
Speaker 1: a little bit and ron looks around, goes, y'all think

1668
01:28:19,720 --> 01:28:24,000
Speaker 1: we're gonna get fine for this? He said that, huh,

1669
01:28:24,040 --> 01:28:28,639
Speaker 1: that's a true story. We all started to die and laughing, like, Ronnie,

1670
01:28:29,040 --> 01:28:30,840
Speaker 1: you just trying to kill a man in the stand

1671
01:28:31,000 --> 01:28:33,720
Speaker 1: the game. Yeah, yeah, there's gonna be some fines and

1672
01:28:35,000 --> 01:28:40,920
Speaker 1: that's crazy. You played with Lebron James. Uh, young Lebron

1673
01:28:41,040 --> 01:28:45,720
Speaker 1: James went to the finals San Antonio. Obviously we all know, uh,

1674
01:28:46,400 --> 01:28:48,920
Speaker 1: the rest of his career. When he was that young

1675
01:28:49,000 --> 01:28:51,800
Speaker 1: and that good and like a one man wrecking team

1676
01:28:51,840 --> 01:28:54,439
Speaker 1: with with that Calvs team. When you're an old man

1677
01:28:55,240 --> 01:28:58,000
Speaker 1: and your great grand could say, Uncle Scott, what was

1678
01:28:58,000 --> 01:29:00,000
Speaker 1: it like playing with Lebron James? What are you gonna

1679
01:29:00,080 --> 01:29:03,120
Speaker 1: tell him? Well, I've I've already been asked that question

1680
01:29:03,160 --> 01:29:05,680
Speaker 1: by a lot of people, and I always say the

1681
01:29:05,720 --> 01:29:08,479
Speaker 1: same thing. He was young, and we wanted him to

1682
01:29:08,479 --> 01:29:11,360
Speaker 1: be a better leader, but looking back, he wasn't. He

1683
01:29:11,439 --> 01:29:14,320
Speaker 1: wasn't old enough to be the leader. I mean when

1684
01:29:14,360 --> 01:29:17,800
Speaker 1: you say that specifically about him, what does that mean? Well,

1685
01:29:17,960 --> 01:29:20,160
Speaker 1: when you when you're the best player on the team,

1686
01:29:20,400 --> 01:29:22,240
Speaker 1: you you kind of have to be When when you're

1687
01:29:22,280 --> 01:29:24,080
Speaker 1: the oldest guy on the team and the youngest on

1688
01:29:24,120 --> 01:29:25,679
Speaker 1: the team, you kind of have to be the leader

1689
01:29:25,680 --> 01:29:28,040
Speaker 1: because you've got the most minutes that you've got the

1690
01:29:28,040 --> 01:29:30,519
Speaker 1: coaches or more than anybody else, and you've got some

1691
01:29:30,560 --> 01:29:32,679
Speaker 1: management here more than anybody else. Because you're the highest

1692
01:29:32,680 --> 01:29:36,120
Speaker 1: paid asset in the organization. It's the business. And so

1693
01:29:36,200 --> 01:29:41,080
Speaker 1: when you're the highest paid asset and you're the leading

1694
01:29:41,120 --> 01:29:44,720
Speaker 1: minute getter, you've got to be somebody that's willing to

1695
01:29:44,800 --> 01:29:47,000
Speaker 1: take the last shot. You've got to be willing to

1696
01:29:47,080 --> 01:29:49,880
Speaker 1: go at somebody else's not doing their job. You've got

1697
01:29:50,000 --> 01:29:52,920
Speaker 1: to be willing to take the hit in the media

1698
01:29:53,000 --> 01:29:55,280
Speaker 1: after the game and look at everybody in the eye

1699
01:29:55,280 --> 01:29:58,640
Speaker 1: and say it's on me, even if it's not. And

1700
01:29:58,720 --> 01:30:01,960
Speaker 1: he was only twenty two or twenty three at the time,

1701
01:30:02,000 --> 01:30:04,280
Speaker 1: and he wasn't that guy yet, and we all wanted

1702
01:30:04,360 --> 01:30:06,120
Speaker 1: him to be because we're all vets, like, not not

1703
01:30:06,160 --> 01:30:08,839
Speaker 1: all of us, but I'm saying, you know, David Wesley,

1704
01:30:09,200 --> 01:30:12,519
Speaker 1: Danielle Marshall means the junius sale Galskas, we're all over

1705
01:30:12,600 --> 01:30:15,040
Speaker 1: thirty years old. And what kind of looked like looking

1706
01:30:15,080 --> 01:30:16,400
Speaker 1: at him to be the leader of the team, and

1707
01:30:16,400 --> 01:30:18,960
Speaker 1: he's looking at us like, hey, y'all are over thirty.

1708
01:30:19,080 --> 01:30:22,639
Speaker 1: I'm twenty two years old. Whatever he was, and so

1709
01:30:23,240 --> 01:30:25,960
Speaker 1: were looking back, we might have put a little too

1710
01:30:26,040 --> 01:30:30,040
Speaker 1: much pressure on him, even though it was possibly justified,

1711
01:30:30,120 --> 01:30:32,439
Speaker 1: especially for David and Danielle and myself who were playing

1712
01:30:32,439 --> 01:30:35,920
Speaker 1: spot minute at best. You know, you can't lead from

1713
01:30:35,960 --> 01:30:39,240
Speaker 1: that position. You can't dump out the court, uh, from

1714
01:30:39,320 --> 01:30:41,639
Speaker 1: from the end of the bench where nobody's even aware

1715
01:30:41,720 --> 01:30:45,360
Speaker 1: that you're there, and go look broad take the shot,

1716
01:30:45,840 --> 01:30:48,000
Speaker 1: you know, and saving the best player in the league.

1717
01:30:48,000 --> 01:30:49,439
Speaker 1: And he was, well, he wasn't the best player in

1718
01:30:49,439 --> 01:30:50,960
Speaker 1: the league at that point, but he you know, we

1719
01:30:51,000 --> 01:30:52,519
Speaker 1: knew he was one of them and going to be

1720
01:30:52,600 --> 01:30:55,880
Speaker 1: the best. And so I think that that would be

1721
01:30:55,920 --> 01:30:59,559
Speaker 1: my what I would tell my kids and my grandkids. Uh,

1722
01:31:00,000 --> 01:31:02,880
Speaker 1: and what I have told my kids is that we

1723
01:31:03,000 --> 01:31:04,640
Speaker 1: knew that he was in the makings of being one

1724
01:31:04,640 --> 01:31:07,520
Speaker 1: of the greatest of all time, but at that point

1725
01:31:07,560 --> 01:31:11,200
Speaker 1: he wasn't. Because although his physical ability got us all

1726
01:31:11,200 --> 01:31:13,559
Speaker 1: the way the NBA Finals, it wasn't anybody else. It

1727
01:31:13,640 --> 01:31:17,479
Speaker 1: wasn't anybody else. He dragged our whole sorry roster to

1728
01:31:17,520 --> 01:31:20,920
Speaker 1: the NBA Finals, But what took us the part in

1729
01:31:21,000 --> 01:31:22,920
Speaker 1: the finals and nade Us get swept by the San

1730
01:31:22,960 --> 01:31:26,120
Speaker 1: Antonio Spurs. Was we ran into a team that functioned

1731
01:31:26,160 --> 01:31:30,080
Speaker 1: like a machine that that didn't matter who got the points,

1732
01:31:30,160 --> 01:31:32,120
Speaker 1: and they shut down Lebron, and all of a sudden,

1733
01:31:32,120 --> 01:31:35,000
Speaker 1: the rest of us are like, well, we've been riding coattails.

1734
01:31:35,160 --> 01:31:37,479
Speaker 1: We can't figure it out. We don't have a third option,

1735
01:31:37,560 --> 01:31:40,759
Speaker 1: we don't have a second, legitimate second option. And Lebron

1736
01:31:40,840 --> 01:31:42,840
Speaker 1: ran out of gas and he just couldn't carry us

1737
01:31:42,880 --> 01:31:45,280
Speaker 1: all the way to a championship. Now, is he was

1738
01:31:46,520 --> 01:31:49,799
Speaker 1: year old Lebron in that same scenario, I think Lebron

1739
01:31:49,840 --> 01:31:52,719
Speaker 1: could have taken us to a championship against that story.

1740
01:31:52,760 --> 01:31:55,760
Speaker 1: Two year old couldn't have. You think his greatness at

1741
01:31:55,800 --> 01:31:59,400
Speaker 1: twenty he could have carried that team if everything shifted forward.

1742
01:32:00,800 --> 01:32:03,160
Speaker 1: I think. I think because of the way his game

1743
01:32:03,200 --> 01:32:06,120
Speaker 1: has evolved over the years and the way he's matured

1744
01:32:06,439 --> 01:32:09,680
Speaker 1: and become a better teammate and a better leader. Yeah,

1745
01:32:09,760 --> 01:32:12,439
Speaker 1: I think if if it was twenty year old Lebron

1746
01:32:12,479 --> 01:32:14,519
Speaker 1: in the same shoes, anybody else was his name, but

1747
01:32:14,600 --> 01:32:18,679
Speaker 1: he was twenty eight of twenty two or whatever he was, Uh, yeah,

1748
01:32:18,800 --> 01:32:20,960
Speaker 1: I think that we would have won an NBA championship

1749
01:32:21,000 --> 01:32:24,040
Speaker 1: that that year in two thousand seven, because it was

1750
01:32:24,080 --> 01:32:27,559
Speaker 1: simply a fact, the fact that his physical ability got

1751
01:32:27,600 --> 01:32:31,200
Speaker 1: us to the finals, but his his his mental and

1752
01:32:31,320 --> 01:32:36,040
Speaker 1: emotional stability wasn't at that point what was needed. I'm

1753
01:32:36,040 --> 01:32:38,760
Speaker 1: not saying it was deficient. It wasn't terrible. He just

1754
01:32:38,880 --> 01:32:41,320
Speaker 1: wasn't where he is now. I got you, all right,

1755
01:32:41,360 --> 01:32:43,559
Speaker 1: let me ask you a final obligatory question. Then you

1756
01:32:43,640 --> 01:32:47,400
Speaker 1: played with Lebron, Uh, you know the game you're articulate

1757
01:32:47,400 --> 01:32:51,080
Speaker 1: about the game you played against Kobe in his all out,

1758
01:32:51,680 --> 01:32:58,040
Speaker 1: full throttle prime assassin with Shack Uh Jordan I think

1759
01:32:58,120 --> 01:33:02,439
Speaker 1: is better than all of them, Kobe, Lebron? Who who's better?

1760
01:33:02,760 --> 01:33:04,920
Speaker 1: Do you? Do you even answer that question? What is

1761
01:33:04,920 --> 01:33:06,920
Speaker 1: your take on that? That that sort of it's like

1762
01:33:06,960 --> 01:33:10,040
Speaker 1: an obligatory question, what is your take on Kobe, Lebron,

1763
01:33:10,240 --> 01:33:13,639
Speaker 1: Jordan's and and but specifically Lebron and and Kobe because

1764
01:33:13,680 --> 01:33:16,799
Speaker 1: you played against Kobe and his prime and play against

1765
01:33:17,240 --> 01:33:20,280
Speaker 1: Lebron when he was you know, it wasn't in his prime,

1766
01:33:20,320 --> 01:33:23,280
Speaker 1: but he was still Lebron. James, who's the better player?

1767
01:33:23,439 --> 01:33:30,960
Speaker 1: Who's the better player? Kobe? Why Kobe made all the shots?

1768
01:33:32,000 --> 01:33:36,160
Speaker 1: MHM Kobe never deflected. Kobe took the heat. And I

1769
01:33:36,160 --> 01:33:38,600
Speaker 1: don't like Kobe personally, like I've I've run into a

1770
01:33:38,600 --> 01:33:41,320
Speaker 1: couple of times. Personally, I don't hate him, but it's

1771
01:33:41,320 --> 01:33:43,200
Speaker 1: not like I'm gonna ever be like, hey, Kobe, we

1772
01:33:43,240 --> 01:33:45,519
Speaker 1: should go have some some drinks or some dinner or something,

1773
01:33:45,560 --> 01:33:47,839
Speaker 1: you know, hang out. Sometimes I don't like his demeanor.

1774
01:33:48,000 --> 01:33:50,200
Speaker 1: I've never been a fan of Kobe Bryant, so it's

1775
01:33:50,240 --> 01:33:53,320
Speaker 1: hard for me to say that, but I think that

1776
01:33:53,520 --> 01:33:55,760
Speaker 1: Kobe was an absolute killer. When the game was on

1777
01:33:55,800 --> 01:33:58,799
Speaker 1: the line, you knew Kobe was gonna get the ball

1778
01:33:59,320 --> 01:34:02,160
Speaker 1: like Jordan. You knew that he was gonna get it

1779
01:34:02,280 --> 01:34:04,240
Speaker 1: in the fourth quarter, and you knew he was gonna

1780
01:34:04,240 --> 01:34:07,760
Speaker 1: make the shot. Now with Lebron and and this is

1781
01:34:07,800 --> 01:34:09,960
Speaker 1: when we were teammates, but I've also watched him since.

1782
01:34:10,520 --> 01:34:12,639
Speaker 1: In that fourth quarter when the game is on the line,

1783
01:34:12,880 --> 01:34:15,240
Speaker 1: how many times has Lebron hit a game winner for

1784
01:34:15,280 --> 01:34:18,120
Speaker 1: his team? And how many times you know for a

1785
01:34:18,200 --> 01:34:21,479
Speaker 1: fact Kobe has hit the game winner for his team.

1786
01:34:21,520 --> 01:34:24,160
Speaker 1: I mean, to me, there's no comparison between those two. Now,

1787
01:34:24,160 --> 01:34:27,920
Speaker 1: who's the best player one on one? Maybe ever? Probably

1788
01:34:28,000 --> 01:34:31,920
Speaker 1: Lebron because Lebron puts up numbers against anybody, any size,

1789
01:34:32,080 --> 01:34:35,160
Speaker 1: any time. But I'm talking about the best player to

1790
01:34:35,240 --> 01:34:39,360
Speaker 1: make his team win the Mamba, and it's it's hard

1791
01:34:39,400 --> 01:34:42,160
Speaker 1: for me to say that between those two, I put

1792
01:34:42,240 --> 01:34:45,200
Speaker 1: Jordan in a different category. And and I'm sorry, I've

1793
01:34:45,200 --> 01:34:47,439
Speaker 1: heard how you feel about the olden days, but Will

1794
01:34:47,520 --> 01:34:49,800
Speaker 1: Chamberlan was the greatest basketball player that has ever played

1795
01:34:49,800 --> 01:34:52,360
Speaker 1: and ever will play. This game. We got gotta I

1796
01:34:52,360 --> 01:34:54,919
Speaker 1: gotta have you back. I gotta debate you on that, Scott.

1797
01:34:56,560 --> 01:34:59,400
Speaker 1: This is so good And honestly, I can't wait to

1798
01:34:59,439 --> 01:35:01,200
Speaker 1: do your pie cast. I would love to you know,

1799
01:35:01,240 --> 01:35:03,479
Speaker 1: we could talk about whatever you want on Planet Pollard.

1800
01:35:03,760 --> 01:35:06,160
Speaker 1: We'll do I'll do home court and then I come

1801
01:35:06,200 --> 01:35:07,920
Speaker 1: to your arena and then we do home court. We

1802
01:35:07,920 --> 01:35:10,080
Speaker 1: could keep doing it until the wheels fall off. I'm

1803
01:35:10,080 --> 01:35:12,400
Speaker 1: gonna let you go, Scott. This was awesome, man, this

1804
01:35:12,439 --> 01:35:15,360
Speaker 1: was fucking dope. I love I love all the stories,

1805
01:35:15,400 --> 01:35:17,559
Speaker 1: all the inside, all the information. Now like I get

1806
01:35:18,000 --> 01:35:20,479
Speaker 1: I get like, uh, I get hyped. This is like,

1807
01:35:20,800 --> 01:35:23,080
Speaker 1: this is why podcast is to, you know, to talk

1808
01:35:23,120 --> 01:35:25,439
Speaker 1: to guys like you about something that I just have

1809
01:35:25,520 --> 01:35:29,439
Speaker 1: so much appreciation for. And man, I love it. And

1810
01:35:29,439 --> 01:35:32,719
Speaker 1: and you know you you just said at home court,

1811
01:35:32,720 --> 01:35:35,760
Speaker 1: await court. When you're online, you're gonna do most of the

1812
01:35:35,720 --> 01:35:39,760
Speaker 1: the talking whatever. No, but I'm just saying, like when

1813
01:35:39,800 --> 01:35:42,120
Speaker 1: I get interviewed and somebody starts talking over me and

1814
01:35:42,320 --> 01:35:44,000
Speaker 1: and doing all the talk, and I'm like, why am

1815
01:35:44,040 --> 01:35:47,559
Speaker 1: I here? Well, that's because I'm not normally on your podcast.

1816
01:35:47,600 --> 01:35:49,800
Speaker 1: And so when you're online, I'm gonna I'm gonna set

1817
01:35:49,840 --> 01:35:51,800
Speaker 1: you up and you're gonna you're gonna fly. Let's do

1818
01:35:52,040 --> 01:35:54,800
Speaker 1: asking questions about your life and your stuff because I

1819
01:35:54,840 --> 01:35:56,320
Speaker 1: don't know all about it and I want to know

1820
01:35:56,360 --> 01:35:59,680
Speaker 1: more about you, and so I can't wait. I appreciate

1821
01:35:59,680 --> 01:36:02,639
Speaker 1: that getting the opportunity to come on my podcast because

1822
01:36:02,720 --> 01:36:05,360
Speaker 1: I'm just starting. So I appreciate it. Man, let's do it, Scott.

1823
01:36:05,400 --> 01:36:07,920
Speaker 1: I appreciate it. Man. All right, Man, we will talk.

1824
01:36:08,360 --> 01:36:11,760
Speaker 1: I'll talk to you soon, Scott. This was awesome. Thanks Parkin.

1825
01:36:13,640 --> 01:36:17,120
Speaker 1: All right? What can I say? Scott Pollard, great guests.

1826
01:36:18,280 --> 01:36:22,200
Speaker 1: I'll be visiting his podcast a SAP whenever you want me,

1827
01:36:22,280 --> 01:36:25,240
Speaker 1: whenever you're ready. Thanks for rocking with me on the

1828
01:36:25,240 --> 01:36:29,719
Speaker 1: Iron Rapports Stereo podcast. We're done. We had fun. We came,

1829
01:36:30,040 --> 01:36:34,400
Speaker 1: we saw, we conquered Miles Jordan's Take us out of

1830
01:36:34,479 --> 01:36:38,639
Speaker 1: Here with something real funky, something real proper, something real nice.

1831
01:36:38,840 --> 01:37:17,680
Speaker 1: Iron Wrap Wars Stereo podcast. I'm out to putty, putty, putty, putty,

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Speaker 1: putty putty,