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Speaker 1: Nick. Uh. Discography is a real thing. Uh. The list
Speaker 1: is long, the work undefeated.
Speaker 3: Uh. If you see this man, if you look at him,
Speaker 3: you wouldn't You wouldn't be able to tell the time
Speaker 3: that has been put in because he's been preserved because
Speaker 3: of the quality that he's been putting into the atmosphere
Speaker 3: that has been circling back to him.
Speaker 1: I don't want to say too many words. I want
Speaker 1: the man to speak.
Speaker 3: The Man of God deserves an opportunity to say the speak.
Speaker 1: Uh. They call him Jasper.
Speaker 4: Yeah, big love.
Speaker 1: Listen.
Speaker 3: Yeah, everybody with the name big Love. Yeah, you out
Speaker 3: of control?
Speaker 5: Hey, man, you know.
Speaker 6: I'm here for I'm here for the people.
Speaker 1: He's promoting something. He love. When she asked you, what's
Speaker 1: your name? Big Love? Baby? Yeah?
Speaker 5: Baby, come get a slice of you, get a.
Speaker 3: Piece of it. Come get a piece give me that,
Speaker 3: give me big Love. Where does big Love come from?
Speaker 3: How did you even get to that?
Speaker 2: Man?
Speaker 5: I tell you what's so crazy? I really hijacked this name.
Speaker 5: So years ago, many Fresh and Jazzy Fay was doing
Speaker 5: the group. Put myself in the group. I said, what
Speaker 5: the name y'all?
Speaker 1: Group?
Speaker 5: Big Love?
Speaker 6: I put my I made myself a member.
Speaker 1: What l Yeah, what's.
Speaker 5: Up manny fres Yeah, I made myself a member. And
Speaker 5: then I just took They still calling me big Love,
Speaker 5: but the name of that group was supposed to be
Speaker 5: Big Love.
Speaker 6: And I insert myself in the group.
Speaker 5: And I was in the group and we were Big Love,
Speaker 5: and I took the name Big Love.
Speaker 1: I said, it's got to be me, it's got to
Speaker 1: be got to be mean. Yeah. Man, whatever happened to
Speaker 1: the crew, man?
Speaker 2: You know what?
Speaker 5: Some praise, man, they would get some get some more money.
Speaker 5: Back then, man, my god, they was on five. They
Speaker 5: was getting it and they was just let me hang along.
Speaker 5: I couldn't believe it.
Speaker 3: My brother, you've done your part. Yeah, you've done your party.
Speaker 3: I promise you had. And I just want to you know,
Speaker 3: first of all, you number you're number one as we
Speaker 3: touched down. Oh number you you're number one, no higher.
Speaker 3: You're kicking this thing off, kicking off the right way,
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying. So the bar is high.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, whoever else comes and sits in that chair
Speaker 3: right here, you know, get the bars hot elevated.
Speaker 1: But I want to go back to.
Speaker 3: The beginning because you know you you we we all
Speaker 3: from a familiar place, sir, to where this thing started
Speaker 3: for you, to where to where somebody said, boy, that
Speaker 3: boy right there he got You said to yourself, I
Speaker 3: got something.
Speaker 5: Got Some man started on the West side of Atlanta.
Speaker 5: My mama, Missus Clergey, and my whole family from the
Speaker 5: West side of Atlanta, you know what I'm saying. And
Speaker 5: they made everybody in my family either had to be
Speaker 5: in the church choir on an urschel board. You got
Speaker 5: to go to church, and you gotta be you got
Speaker 5: to be involved. You ain't got no choice, you know
Speaker 5: what I'm saying. And what's so crazy it is the
Speaker 5: church I went to Greater Springfield. It's in the bluff.
Speaker 5: The actual pastor of that church is DC young Fly Daddy.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 5: So the pastor of my church, Solomon Whitfield Junior, is
Speaker 5: DC young Fly Daddy.
Speaker 1: Stop playing.
Speaker 5: Yeah, so that was the pastor of my church, and
Speaker 5: so my whole family. You know what I'm saying. He
Speaker 5: probably I remember him. He was a baby. Actually, his
Speaker 5: mama and my mama went to high school together. You know,
Speaker 5: his parents had him late in life, so he was Yeah,
Speaker 5: so he was when I when I was teaching.
Speaker 6: He was a baby when I was a teenager. So
Speaker 6: it started in church.
Speaker 5: So my whole family went to the church and it
Speaker 5: was like y'all gonna sing be in a ursher board.
Speaker 5: So it started there and then what ended up happening
Speaker 5: was in school one day this the teacher made everybody
Speaker 5: get up and sing, you know, the stop spang abound
Speaker 5: or whatever. So this dude got up. I went to
Speaker 5: Kye Heights Elementary School on the west side Lema, and
Speaker 5: the teacher got made this boy get up and sing right,
Speaker 5: and he couldn't sing, and everybody started laughing. I wasn't
Speaker 5: even laughing. She looked straight at me and say, well,
Speaker 5: since you think it's so funny, you get up and sing.
Speaker 5: I don't really know I can sing. I just know
Speaker 5: what I do at church. And so when I got
Speaker 5: up and sang, she say, oh, you can sign for real.
Speaker 5: She took me to the music teacher, offers Ms. Holloway.
Speaker 5: And from that point on, I was either doing music
Speaker 5: at church. This second grade scond, so either I was
Speaker 5: doing music at church or I was doing it at school.
Speaker 5: So by then, you know, you fully in mercy at
Speaker 5: you at church and then you at school doing music.
Speaker 5: And then I go home with my big brother and
Speaker 5: them they doing music. So I was just encompassed by music.
Speaker 5: What was your big brothers though, Man, my big brother
Speaker 5: he had a group, but they was listening to rap.
Speaker 5: You know, when you were older brothers there, you know
Speaker 5: they put you on the stuff earlier than everybody else
Speaker 5: in your age group because they you know, when you
Speaker 5: got big the streets, so you know they was putting
Speaker 5: me on I was. I was faster than most kids
Speaker 5: my age because I was learning from my big brothers
Speaker 5: and my cousins and them, and I was on the
Speaker 5: music they was on, so they was exposing me and everything.
Speaker 5: I never forget when I rapped, we was on Too
Speaker 5: Short two Live crew. I wasn't supposed to listen to that,
Speaker 5: but that's what they listened to.
Speaker 1: Taking that back to the elementary, please believe it.
Speaker 5: We on the We're on the top field, somebody saying, hey.
Speaker 3: We want some Yeah, you can say podcast, puse, Yeah,
Speaker 3: we want it.
Speaker 6: We're listening to Too Short.
Speaker 5: Her name was Rinder, like a brand new Hunt. So
Speaker 5: I'm listening to all that. But then, but then, but
Speaker 5: then my mama. But then I go to my mama.
Speaker 6: She making us learn whining songs.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and then we go around the corner and then
Speaker 5: we on no Audition and then we're on Michael.
Speaker 6: That song was just a bunch of mixture of everything.
Speaker 6: So it's all of that mixed and one. So you
Speaker 6: just getting all this music. Then I never forget.
Speaker 5: The first record I wanted my mama to buy me
Speaker 5: was ass We Laid by SHERYLO.
Speaker 1: Murder.
Speaker 6: I didn't know what the song. I didn't know what
Speaker 6: the song meant.
Speaker 5: I asked my mama day, I said, Mom, you bout me,
Speaker 5: asked me, like, she's like, what you know about that song?
Speaker 6: It was once I got older, I realized the words
Speaker 6: was a cheat song.
Speaker 5: But I'm eight.
Speaker 1: But what was happening to you? You felt?
Speaker 6: Did I'm like, whatever she's singing, but she meaning you?
Speaker 3: It was it was It was a sonic that that
Speaker 3: resonated with you that at the time you didn't understand
Speaker 3: was was actually giving birth to, you know, to what
Speaker 3: you would ultimately do. Like I tell everybody all the time,
Speaker 3: like I didn't get as much as I was in
Speaker 3: church and from Reverend James Cleveland and all of these
Speaker 3: things that we were singing and junior choir, all that stuff.
Speaker 3: All that stuff was great and I had to do it,
Speaker 3: you know, we had to do We had to do it.
Speaker 3: But I didn't get captivated with music. It didn't captivate
Speaker 3: me or stop me in my tracks. Until I'm walking
Speaker 3: past the TV and the Charlie Brown's Christmas is playing.
Speaker 5: What is it?
Speaker 1: What is that and what is it doing to me?
Speaker 6: I feel it?
Speaker 1: And that was.
Speaker 3: The start of me like being obsessed with music because
Speaker 3: that was the first thing I obsessed about, trying to
Speaker 3: play the songs in the Charlie Brown Christmas.
Speaker 5: It's crazy. You don't know when music.
Speaker 1: I think for me it was.
Speaker 7: Sorry Shaw Oh yeah yeah that was like pass what
Speaker 7: a song?
Speaker 6: What is that?
Speaker 1: What is what is that? Yeah? Yeah that was my
Speaker 1: first one. Yeah, it really caught me. That was like, okay,
Speaker 1: I like that like this, Yeah.
Speaker 3: That's fire too as that song. Those are songs that
Speaker 3: like like I remember them, songs like I remember being
Speaker 3: somewhere with those songs like like vividly you know what
Speaker 3: I'm saying.
Speaker 8: And we were living on the street cross the Lenisle
Speaker 8: Street and point point. Yeah, to this day, I just
Speaker 8: remembered you right back death put you right there. That's
Speaker 8: what supposed to it's supposed to put time staff place.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so Mama bout you Shirley Murdo.
Speaker 5: She did, and I played it out. Yeah, oh man,
Speaker 5: that's Charlot murder out. What she could sign?
Speaker 1: Boy?
Speaker 5: So she brought me that Charlo murdered out man. And
Speaker 5: you know, was she the first staith evans Man?
Speaker 6: Yeah? Wow, think about it.
Speaker 1: That Bocaton was very unique. She was she was not
Speaker 1: holding back.
Speaker 6: On computer love and focus on computer.
Speaker 1: Love, was holding into.
Speaker 3: It, going crazy, going crazy. So so so we we're
Speaker 3: we're we're in elementary school, probably out of elementary school now,
Speaker 3: but you have been exposed to be too short, Yes, sir,
Speaker 3: The Whinings, Yes sir. Two Live Crews, Shirley Murder Yeah
Speaker 3: uh new edition before fifth grades. Okay, Wow, when does it?
Speaker 3: When does it inspire you to actually do something of
Speaker 3: your own, something original from yourself.
Speaker 5: What happened was this right here right So Atlanta has
Speaker 5: a very rich talents show culture and skater ring culture.
Speaker 5: So all these acts everybody eventually seen come out of
Speaker 5: here from TLC, from Chris Cross, the ABC, from even Jermaine,
Speaker 5: the pre Dallas House organized noise.
Speaker 6: All of us used to be these skating rinks.
Speaker 5: It was. It was skating rings and the talents show culture.
Speaker 5: So ultimately what happened was ABC hit ABC Hit. That
Speaker 5: was one of the first groups in I in Our
Speaker 5: Age record to hit ABC Hit with Sue and we
Speaker 5: found out the producer from Banana Dallas. They were signed
Speaker 5: on Michael Bibbs. You know Michael Biver's on fire right here.
Speaker 5: You know Michael Bivers the first like puffing all of that,
Speaker 5: so he on fire. So after ABC here it the
Speaker 5: next group was Chris Cross. What happened was they put
Speaker 5: out the press release that Chriscross got discovered in the
Speaker 5: mall by Jermaine dupri So. That made every young person
Speaker 5: in Atlanta. We went to the mall every weekend. Around
Speaker 5: the mall, we was getting kicked out of Linars, go
Speaker 5: to Green Bright, go go to South wherever we was
Speaker 5: going to the mall because we're like, this is how
Speaker 5: Chrisscross did it.
Speaker 6: So crazy about Criscross. I went to school with light.
Speaker 5: Skin, Chris brother and sister, Jennifer and Loney Chris, light Skin, Chris, Jennifer,
Speaker 5: Lonia went to school with me. He was like a
Speaker 5: two younger, but they had hit by the time he
Speaker 5: supposed to come to high school. So I went to
Speaker 5: so we all see we seeing everybody. We were like,
Speaker 5: man and at the same time, the face moved down here.
Speaker 5: Come on, the face moved down here. So you get
Speaker 5: ABC go bam. They would, Oh they were bft in Dallas, Boom,
Speaker 5: We on Chris Cross, boom Jamaine on, Oh man, the
Speaker 5: face move here Atlanta boom. So it's every It's talent
Speaker 5: shows everywhere, its group's everywhere, and uh and it just happened.
Speaker 5: I was in eighth grade and one of the people
Speaker 5: I went to eighth grade high school with was her
Speaker 5: g Rock.
Speaker 1: It was up.
Speaker 5: They're from Allen Temple, They're from Adamsville, my neighborhood. They
Speaker 5: end up getting them a deal and their manager who
Speaker 5: end up getting them to deal.
Speaker 6: With Jojo and Dave.
Speaker 5: They was like the biggest street guys in Atleanta, and
Speaker 5: they happened to be jeezy cousins later on. That's how
Speaker 5: I made Jesus through them. So alta small like that.
Speaker 5: So this this, this is like ninety ninety one or something.
Speaker 5: We kids, and he like, man, look, we just got
Speaker 5: us a deal. They twelve and thirteen. We just got
Speaker 5: us a deal with Capitol.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 5: Joe, Jo and David by manager. They want another singing group. Man,
Speaker 5: they want another singing group. Go get some of them
Speaker 5: lame man niggas. You in the chow wit.
Speaker 6: It's exactly what he said.
Speaker 5: This is exactly what he said, Man, go get some
Speaker 5: of them lame man niggas. You in the chorus with Yeah,
Speaker 5: Go get some of the lame man nigga you in
Speaker 5: the chords with a bit yob and y'all go do
Speaker 5: a demo I'm like, what's a demo? So he said, okay,
Speaker 5: because at.
Speaker 1: This point, the neighborhood know you sing, because you know in.
Speaker 5: School once you once you start doing stuff in school,
Speaker 5: now that you know, it's gonna start spreading. And then
Speaker 5: they know they little fat jobs. But who be singing
Speaker 5: yeah little little fat jazz. Yeah yeah, you know how
Speaker 5: they doing it. They described it by whatever they little
Speaker 5: they little fat Joss. They be saying, you know what
Speaker 5: I'm saying, so you know what I'm saying. They look
Speaker 5: fat Johns, but they be saying so they know. So
Speaker 5: that's why he like man group.
Speaker 1: Because little is like it's endearing, but it's also disrespect.
Speaker 1: It's it's also dismissing everything.
Speaker 6: But it's like, yeah, my god, So that was mess
Speaker 6: that little card.
Speaker 5: How they describe so they look fat job, but they'll
Speaker 5: be singing yeah. And so we put the group together.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 5: From then on, when I put the group together with
Speaker 5: the guys, we had a group. We had a group now.
Speaker 5: So we just was like, okay, well they just thug
Speaker 5: it out. So we started doing the talent shows and
Speaker 5: all that stuff too, and we didn't win, not one
Speaker 5: talent show because one twelve won all of them and
Speaker 5: that group name was Fort.
Speaker 6: They won every talent show.
Speaker 1: They won everyone what twelve because same like that.
Speaker 6: When they was twelve and thirteen, man, it was off.
Speaker 1: It was the four guys.
Speaker 5: Was he quit As wasn't in the group yet. Quinn's
Speaker 5: was actually in another group, but it was slim.
Speaker 6: It was the run. It was Mike and they had
Speaker 6: a bass. You remember when Boys and Men came out,
Speaker 6: every group had to have a base.
Speaker 5: Everybody had to have a base. So they had to
Speaker 5: do with a deep voice in the group. But they
Speaker 5: were singing like that. I promised to God. When we
Speaker 5: was thirteen to twelve, thirteen and fourteen, they were singing
Speaker 5: like that. They was called Fort back then, and they
Speaker 5: like from the South. They're actually from the same neighborhood
Speaker 5: young thug from like like one twelve, from like Jonesbord
Speaker 5: South and all of that. So they from over there,
Speaker 5: so you know what I mean. So they but them
Speaker 5: boys could sing. Man, they were every We could never
Speaker 5: beat them, but everybody. But all of a sudden, everybody
Speaker 5: out of them talent, out of them Talness Show. They
Speaker 5: started getting signed and stuff. Because then everybody started coming down.
Speaker 5: I'll never forget. When one twelve got they did, we
Speaker 5: was like, oh my god. I seen Slim one time
Speaker 5: in the hood at the store.
Speaker 6: He said, boy, we just shot a video. We in
Speaker 6: New York with pop Daddy. He said what he said, boy,
Speaker 6: we got a video. What do y'all see this?
Speaker 5: We seen that video. We say, oh, it's really for real.
Speaker 5: Yeah yeah yeah, because everybody, our whole generation, everybody was
Speaker 5: getting signed. First of all, Escape got, you know, Jamaine signed,
Speaker 5: They got put on You know what I say, every
Speaker 5: last one of them groups. Everybody knew each other or
Speaker 5: one person in the group because everybody was getting sign Yeah.
Speaker 1: It was crazy. Yeah they got.
Speaker 5: When they came down here, they plugged the man. I
Speaker 5: promised to God, you could go around back then and
Speaker 5: you will see all of that. Like any rapper that
Speaker 5: ever made it out of here. I knew him way
Speaker 5: before they was. I knew him since we was like
Speaker 5: in elementary school or high school or something.
Speaker 1: Were you guys doing original music?
Speaker 5: See what happened was my brother and them seemed See
Speaker 5: I had older brothers and cousins, so by the fault
Speaker 5: there was management because they was old enough with the
Speaker 5: cars and driving us around. So they used to take
Speaker 5: us to the shows and stuff, so we used to
Speaker 5: go try to. They used to pay for us to
Speaker 5: win studio time. You know, they was in the streets
Speaker 5: and doing all kinds of stuff. So they had the
Speaker 5: little money, they'll go pay for studio time to sing
Speaker 5: and stuff.
Speaker 6: And I remember we used to pay studio time. And
Speaker 6: I remember we was like man. Our group.
Speaker 5: We was all kind of like arch kids because we
Speaker 5: could play and sing and stuff. We were like man. Instead
Speaker 5: of pant they giving us wax songs. We could sing
Speaker 5: our own wax songs. That's our only thing. Like instead
Speaker 5: of paying for these demo we could do our own
Speaker 5: wax songs. If they're gonna be terrible, we might as
Speaker 5: well sing our own terrible songs. So that's what made
Speaker 5: us doing it, because we could already play and all
Speaker 5: that kind of time.
Speaker 1: You hadn't written anything.
Speaker 5: Now we haven't.
Speaker 1: We wasn't.
Speaker 6: We wasn't really writing.
Speaker 5: We only started writing songs for real, for real because
Speaker 5: we wanted to have our songs for demo because we
Speaker 5: was paying other people to do songs, and it was
Speaker 5: like they were wax.
Speaker 6: So they're like, we're about twelve, because you know, the
Speaker 6: first demo.
Speaker 5: We were doing covers you know how, you know how
Speaker 5: you're going there and you make they'll redo tracks for
Speaker 5: you for demo. So when we got you start getting
Speaker 5: more mature, and we're like, well man, we kind of
Speaker 5: want to do our own songs. We started trying to
Speaker 5: get people do their songs. We were like, well man,
Speaker 5: we run now we could play pianos and sing and
Speaker 5: all of that. We could do that if if they terrible.
Speaker 5: Now my group was pure Bliss. We got that from
Speaker 5: a cool J song. We did what we did with
Speaker 5: our boys and men swimming in the on the exits
Speaker 5: a pure Bliss. We said, that's our name, like, yeah,
Speaker 5: pure Bliss. We got it from the hay Lovel song
Speaker 5: Pure Bliss.
Speaker 6: We had had it after that. You never know it.
Speaker 5: Pure Bliss, and we thought we was Hey, we thought
Speaker 5: we were so dope. Man, them songs. Let me tell you,
Speaker 5: we thought we were so dope. I went back to
Speaker 5: listen to them songs one day.
Speaker 1: I said, I don't.
Speaker 3: Wonder nobody, Hey listen man, I've had that moment with myself.
Speaker 1: I listened to some old ship I was I was
Speaker 1: like that nigga was.
Speaker 6: We were so packed out though, that.
Speaker 5: I remember we did this one show one time, right,
Speaker 5: we had a showcase and this dude seen the show.
Speaker 5: He like, listen, I don't know about those songs, but
Speaker 5: y'all can perform real good.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 5: We said that nigga ain't in here, that nigga don't
Speaker 5: know nothing. Man, what these songs ain't right? We were
Speaker 5: crazy psyched out from Letlanta nigga. Right, You're like, man,
Speaker 5: you crazy. These songs hard. Them songs was terrible.
Speaker 6: And he was trying.
Speaker 4: He was trying to give him some some good little game,
Speaker 4: just a little game.
Speaker 1: We were.
Speaker 6: We were so we were like, man, you tripping, you tripping.
Speaker 1: You can't hear this?
Speaker 3: So this So did you emerge out of all of
Speaker 3: that as like, well, see the premier guy.
Speaker 5: I wouldn't know because really I ain't really no singer
Speaker 5: like that won't be real with you.
Speaker 6: I'm not gonna stytus, you know.
Speaker 5: I just want to put on some clothes and look
Speaker 5: like I'm in B B D or something, and you know,
Speaker 5: put everybody together. I could write the songs, I could play,
Speaker 5: I could do all that, but I am I ain't
Speaker 5: dying to sing, like I ain't one of the ones,
Speaker 5: I gotta singing styling us.
Speaker 6: I'm I'm gonna said, big boy, big boy, you know
Speaker 6: what I'm say. I'm gonna do that. I'm gonna do
Speaker 6: the big big boy hunt and all that.
Speaker 1: I'm if you see, yeah, the street just yelling, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: So what happened was so eventually through all of these
Speaker 5: things we finally meet we get to manage my management.
Speaker 5: Just having having a studio, you know, through going through
Speaker 5: Brench studios, we met our management dude named Leonard, so
Speaker 5: we just so he had him to have a studio.
Speaker 5: So at this studio one day, this lady come in
Speaker 5: and he said, man, y'all need to come meet this lady.
Speaker 5: It was a lady named joryce Urby. I'm gonna tell
Speaker 5: y'all who jorce Urby is.
Speaker 2: She was.
Speaker 5: She the lead singer of the group Climax, So the
Speaker 5: song the Me and All Pause and I Miss You
Speaker 5: and all of that. She came up with babyfacing all
Speaker 5: of them. She came up at the studio time one
Speaker 5: day and he said, y'all need to meet her. She
Speaker 5: in the business. She also discovered Dallas Austin. So to
Speaker 5: put it all together, so we call meet her one
Speaker 5: day and she's like, oh, y'all, y'all, y'all, yeah, we
Speaker 5: did our songs with whatever. She's like, y'all wrote them songs.
Speaker 5: We're like yeah. She like, I'm gonna help y'all get
Speaker 5: a deal. But this is what I want to do too.
Speaker 5: I want to help y'all need to help me find
Speaker 5: another group that's a little bit younger than y'all. I'm
Speaker 5: gonna get y'all a deal, and then we're gonna put
Speaker 5: a group together for some guys because by this time
Speaker 5: we was out of high school. We Liken Well was
Speaker 5: one of one of them, was still in high school
Speaker 5: by just graduated, so we were about eighteen seventeen th
Speaker 5: six dollars, still teens. And she was like, we're gonna
Speaker 5: go find a put a younger group together, and then
Speaker 5: I'm gonna hep get y'all a deal. I'm gonna get
Speaker 5: another group of deal. Well in the process us gett
Speaker 5: us a deal. She said, y'all help me find another
Speaker 5: young group too. She goes in the yearbook, she goes
Speaker 5: in the yellow Pages and say, okay, I told her.
Speaker 5: I say, my aunt Tie Church got two little boys
Speaker 5: that can sign, and she like, you're gonna go get
Speaker 5: them me? Like yeah, we went to the church and
Speaker 5: got them to a little boy. She said, I'm gonna
Speaker 5: find somebody else. She went through her yellow pages and
Speaker 5: she was going through the alphabets in the first Oh hey,
Speaker 5: let me call this elementary school. She called the first
Speaker 5: elementary school she could find, Avndale Elementary, east side of Atlanta.
Speaker 5: She's and she was like, I'm looking for kids that
Speaker 5: can sing and to teach. The principals Like, well, I
Speaker 5: think I got one person will be perfect for y'all.
Speaker 5: She like, oh, come go meet him. So she goes
Speaker 5: and meets the little boy she called. She calls and said, look,
Speaker 5: I think I found our star. Meet me tonight at
Speaker 5: the Red Lobster on Camel rode down the street from
Speaker 5: south to cal Mall. I never forget this, you know,
Speaker 5: we driving by this point we eighteen, but that nineteen.
Speaker 5: She like, meet me at the Red Lobster. Anybody from Atlanta,
Speaker 5: y'all know this Red loss by south of Caroma, on
Speaker 5: the east side of Alanda, the Cala Road. We meet.
Speaker 5: We walk in the building. The first thing, this little
Speaker 5: boy run up on me, say you sang shouting, and
Speaker 5: the boy started singing, I Believe I Can Fly. It
Speaker 5: was Lord.
Speaker 6: He was ten. I said, what is this little current
Speaker 6: of hand?
Speaker 5: Boy? He he was already ad I'm talking about the
Speaker 5: first thing. He ran up on me the first thing.
Speaker 5: He said, yeah, you can sign, shouted I can sign,
Speaker 5: and he started singing I Believe I Can Fly by
Speaker 5: R Kelly.
Speaker 6: I'm like, I don't know who this.
Speaker 5: Little This little boy's star, she said.
Speaker 6: She said he was like him.
Speaker 5: I said, oh, ever since then, me and him we've
Speaker 5: been tight. So then we start actually writing the demos
Speaker 5: for the young group. We put him with the two
Speaker 5: little boys we found at the church, and then she
Speaker 5: ain't up. They got a deal quicker than us. So,
Speaker 5: but at that point she had us writing their demos.
Speaker 5: This one I found out song writing was a real
Speaker 5: job because she like, listen, Josper No, Lord likes you.
Speaker 5: So you want to sit here with him and you're
Speaker 5: gonna write his verses and you're gonna make teach him
Speaker 5: how to sing the songs or whatever.
Speaker 6: I'm like, Okay, this is gonna get us a record
Speaker 6: deal too, Okay, Cuz at this point record.
Speaker 5: Told me, man, I want to be on B E
Speaker 5: T Black Star Power all I care about. Man, we
Speaker 5: got a video. Yeah, and she's like, yeah, y'all gonna
Speaker 5: get it for yo, they gonna get I'm like cool,
Speaker 5: So she put load on me. But so we end
Speaker 5: up doing this demo. By the time, we working so
Speaker 5: close together. He become my little brother. So he he
Speaker 5: youngest point, he ten. So since that point we always
Speaker 5: been together. So his group good a deal. We good
Speaker 5: a deal. We never got no video, never got your video.
Speaker 5: He got his video though.
Speaker 1: He got a group.
Speaker 5: They got a lot off.
Speaker 1: He got a few of them.
Speaker 5: So and and you know, through that whole process, and
Speaker 5: that's how I mean him ended.
Speaker 6: Up being so tight.
Speaker 1: So when he came out as an artist, Yeah, in
Speaker 1: the beginning, he came out with a group.
Speaker 5: He was with a group called in Tune.
Speaker 1: I remember that.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that was Lloyd's least sing of that group. Yeah,
Speaker 5: I think I think I knew. They and Tricky them
Speaker 5: did their first song and Candy wrote it. They was
Speaker 5: They did the song called Ready. And what was so
Speaker 5: crazy was in the midst of us doing the demo,
Speaker 5: she called us again, she can't look I got another
Speaker 5: little guy. I don't know if I want him to
Speaker 5: be in the group, I want him solo. I'm goin
Speaker 5: to bring him down. She went and got this other
Speaker 5: little guy and brought him down and she was like, nah,
Speaker 5: he's gonna be solo because I can get two separate deals.
Speaker 6: That Look, I was seven.
Speaker 5: She was moving should down. So now she was fond.
Speaker 5: And then she had signed Dallas at this point, so
Speaker 5: you have by not that. But they had no they
Speaker 5: had no issues or whatever. But they worked it out.
Speaker 5: But one under the one condition was and when she
Speaker 5: found her acts in her groups, Dallas were gonna do
Speaker 5: songs on them. You got to realize at this point,
Speaker 5: Dallas the biggest producer in the world. He doing TLC, ABC,
Speaker 5: he doing Boys and Me and this back when you
Speaker 5: were telling Diamond Records, and he right now producing the songs.
Speaker 6: He got a real studio, this one.
Speaker 5: Having a real studio meant something for real for even
Speaker 5: though it's still mean something, it's just different back then. Yeah,
Speaker 5: And so she brought us all over to Dallas. He
Speaker 5: started working on Lloyd album and he say, but I'm
Speaker 5: gonna sign Sammy solo. But Lloyd already had his deal.
Speaker 1: Lloyd had a solo deal no, Lloyd had an album
Speaker 1: with this group.
Speaker 5: With the group, Okay, so Dallas working on a group album,
Speaker 5: and he like, but I'm gonna sign Sammy solo because
Speaker 5: that way she didn't have to put Sammy in the
Speaker 5: group with Lord. She'll let Lloyd keep being in the
Speaker 5: lead singer. She's like, I'm gonna get a whole another
Speaker 5: budget with Sammy through this process. And through all this process,
Speaker 5: that's when I meet Dallas through and Lloyd. I used
Speaker 5: to write our Lord songs. So layd to tell Dallas, man,
Speaker 5: my friend ain't gonna come and write my songs with me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that was me hmm.
Speaker 5: So he Lloyd keep bringing me to the studio, Dallas,
Speaker 5: my friend gonna come write my songs with me, And
Speaker 5: so I ended up getting signed the Dallas at that
Speaker 5: point Dark but she put all us together.
Speaker 1: Ah Man, shout out to Joe, Shout out Joyce.
Speaker 5: She worked on Shout Out Leonad too, because Leonald he
Speaker 5: put us up, Leonard Watkins and George Urban and they
Speaker 5: put it was like crazy and then and what was
Speaker 5: so crazy what ended up happening was Sammy, even though
Speaker 5: we stopped working on him way later, you know, because
Speaker 5: it was like a year and a half of us
Speaker 5: working on Lloyd demos with his group and when her
Speaker 5: finding Samuel was thinking about put him in the group,
Speaker 5: Dallas had just got his new label deal, so he like,
Speaker 5: I'm gonna put Sammy out fast. So he did one.
Speaker 5: So the first song he put on he did on
Speaker 5: Samon was I like it. That's the very first song
Speaker 5: they ever recorded, and that and he's this when I
Speaker 5: know when you when you're on the road, This is
Speaker 5: when I know you could call your shots. He told her,
Speaker 5: he said, I'm gonna write SEMMI single the night that
Speaker 5: man went in that room and wrote it, and he said,
Speaker 5: I'm gonna have this aut in three months.
Speaker 6: And the thing was out him three months and that
Speaker 6: thing was on Fas said me, this, I go.
Speaker 1: Everywhere, you know, so like so at that.
Speaker 5: Point, you know, I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm around everything.
Speaker 5: I'm it, you know what i mean. The Dallas he
Speaker 5: rocked with me, he took me, he signed me. You
Speaker 5: know what I'm saying. He let me be around the
Speaker 5: studio every day. All they taught me how to make
Speaker 5: it be right, the production are right, you know, because
Speaker 5: you don't really know what you're doing until you see
Speaker 5: people who actually really do on that on the level. Yeah,
Speaker 5: because you know, we just sit by, We just sit
Speaker 5: by records by make the voice.
Speaker 6: It sounded like that.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it sound like a million people singing. We ain't
Speaker 5: know about no stacks, but how they get their drums
Speaker 5: like that. We didn't know.
Speaker 6: You had to go sithing, you know, the things you
Speaker 6: do to get the production right.
Speaker 5: So he let me be around him when he was
Speaker 5: the top producer and get all that game with precious game, Dallas,
Speaker 5: real man, and so that knowledge that from that point
Speaker 5: it was all in the game.
Speaker 1: One of the goats, one of the yeah, for sure,
Speaker 1: for real, for real early though too early, early, early, early.
Speaker 6: When people didn't even really know what that means.
Speaker 1: We didn't even know. We didn't didn't know. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: we didn't know those levels.
Speaker 5: You didn't even know.
Speaker 1: You know, it was mystical to us.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you didn't know.
Speaker 1: He was like a deity. He's like, that's I guess
Speaker 1: that's what Jesus. I was just always here dark exactly.
Speaker 1: It was a special place exactly. I'd never been there before,
Speaker 1: but I would hear it. I'm on the whole other
Speaker 1: side of the country.
Speaker 5: God went on Instagram back then.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was back then. We needed to learn differently.
Speaker 1: We need to be able to we need to be
Speaker 1: able to recover.
Speaker 5: I see it all quick things some time about on
Speaker 5: the highest level. I said, okay, yeah, see what's.
Speaker 8: Going on, because it's something different to see it, but
Speaker 8: then to actually be able to touch it, that's different.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 8: Yeah, like like right now they're getting to see things
Speaker 8: around the world, not touching.
Speaker 1: They not touching, you know what I'm saying. So Sammy
Speaker 1: is your first release.
Speaker 5: Well, see, Sammy actually was the first release because he
Speaker 5: because he put it out quick.
Speaker 1: So you start writing on the early stuff too, Yes,
Speaker 1: because I.
Speaker 5: Was doing Yeah, I was doing Sammy and Lord because
Speaker 5: we was all in the same Lady George Erby, So
Speaker 5: I was That's how I learned really how to write
Speaker 5: for other people because I really worked on them. Yeah,
Speaker 5: you know what I'm saying. So I practiced a whole
Speaker 5: long time on Lord, but when I got with Semi,
Speaker 5: I had pretty much polished it up and that was
Speaker 5: ready to put the album out fast.
Speaker 1: And Sammy's what ten eleven.
Speaker 6: Twelve right there too? Eleven or twelve?
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's crazy.
Speaker 5: So If you go look at Sammy first videos, you
Speaker 5: see Lord and all them in there, because we all
Speaker 5: was part of the same crew. We was all signed
Speaker 5: to the same lady, you know what I mean, managing
Speaker 5: us all and putting us out with Dallas and all
Speaker 5: of that.
Speaker 6: And so when Sammy blew up, then that we're working.
Speaker 1: And then at that point did they let you in
Speaker 1: any of the videos because I'm waiting.
Speaker 5: For you, man, I never got my man. I never
Speaker 5: got in them video. I ain't start the layter really
Speaker 5: giving them video. Man.
Speaker 6: You know, man, I wanted a video, my man. I'm
Speaker 6: telling you, man, that what it was.
Speaker 7: Man.
Speaker 6: I signed. Man, I signed my first day. I ain't
Speaker 6: even no lawyer.
Speaker 1: Do we get the video? Did a lawyer?
Speaker 5: It was terrible. I should have.
Speaker 1: He just wanted the video.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 6: I wanted a video. Man, I ain't even a video.
Speaker 6: I ain't gonna put I ain't even gonna putting.
Speaker 5: No cap on. I ain't no all I was thinking about. Man,
Speaker 5: if we get the video on b TV, gonna be rich.
Speaker 1: That's it.
Speaker 5: That's all.
Speaker 6: At least we're gonna be finals.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, we'll figure the rest. You've been in some
Speaker 1: videos though.
Speaker 6: Well later you know what I'm saying. But it was
Speaker 6: after I understood with certain you know what, but.
Speaker 1: I say, you know, Jay got a video coming up
Speaker 1: with video?
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, my man, Right, you should have
Speaker 5: been on Jason, I'm a bombs said, you know, come
Speaker 5: steal cameos y'all remember the steal cameo days.
Speaker 1: Still cameo like, man, what he doing is that? What
Speaker 1: is it? That was serious? Busy boy?
Speaker 5: You getting the cameos for?
Speaker 1: So it was your first hit record?
Speaker 5: Man, The first record that I probably say it was
Speaker 5: a real hit that I was a part of, probably
Speaker 5: was Christin n Aguilera Dirty that was the Yeah. So
Speaker 5: I didn't know nothing, like you know, we was writing
Speaker 5: around everybody, but I didn't even really know. I used
Speaker 5: to always wonder everybody want singles cause.
Speaker 1: You know, some album cut a bunch of app cuts.
Speaker 5: You know, placements.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 5: We did the Sameme album. They end up going real good.
Speaker 5: And then I worked on Nearby, a album that went
Speaker 5: real good. I had a cop yeah you know what
Speaker 5: I'm saying. So we end up around people around I
Speaker 5: was doing a bunch of little I was doing a
Speaker 5: bunch of you know songs, and I got and shout
Speaker 5: out to Ryan Glover from knowing time he gave me
Speaker 5: my first beat check. I couldn't believe it. Brian, So
Speaker 5: you know you don't know how much beach you tell
Speaker 5: beats for. You don't know none of that. You just
Speaker 5: going and doing it. I gotta get I gotta get
Speaker 5: him a shot because real I never I didn't understand.
Speaker 5: I call it. Ryan say.
Speaker 6: One day he come to the studio, He like, you
Speaker 6: did this peak?
Speaker 5: I like yeah. He like, okay, how much you gonna
Speaker 5: charge me for it? I say, Man, I don't even know.
Speaker 5: I'm gonna be real with you, man, how much how
Speaker 5: much y'ld buy I need for?
Speaker 7: Man?
Speaker 6: You know what I'm saying. Listen, I hope this ain't
Speaker 6: frond of the mount too much?
Speaker 5: Brand? Know how we get that? Ryan say, listen, I'm
Speaker 5: gonna tell the label you charged fifteen thousand dollars. I'm
Speaker 5: gonna give you ten.
Speaker 6: I say, run it, run it, run it, man, run it.
Speaker 6: You're gonna give me.
Speaker 5: This fuck fuck to me?
Speaker 1: You you ain't saying nothing but what's right?
Speaker 5: Hey, man?
Speaker 1: Sometimes you gotta give to get a man.
Speaker 5: I ain't all I knew that, Man said listen I'm
Speaker 5: gonna tell the label you charged fifteen thousand, you're gonna
Speaker 5: get ten thousand.
Speaker 3: I said, yes, I've had plenty of deals. Ay, man,
Speaker 3: where I got ain't nothing wrong with it. I said
Speaker 3: thirty and I got twenty.
Speaker 1: Yes, I'm gonna put mine on top.
Speaker 5: You know what I'm saying. So that's when I start.
Speaker 5: Really you know, I'm hitting now.
Speaker 1: You know now you charged fifteen, Yeah, fifteen, that's your
Speaker 1: fo me. You know what I'm saying. Hey already bought.
Speaker 5: To Yeah yeah, you know, but they could, man, they
Speaker 5: might could have got a fire. I didn't know.
Speaker 2: All yeah, what's the street that real lifts the real
Speaker 2: life you two can have a beat.
Speaker 5: Yeah, man, real, So I was getting a little bit
Speaker 5: of placement. So but I still didn't really understand the
Speaker 5: value of a hit song. Yeah yeah, and really, man,
Speaker 5: the Christina Guilera dirt is on that really just came off,
Speaker 5: man for real. I ain't even like man like it
Speaker 5: was because I'm dope. She really just used to like
Speaker 5: hang around because you know, we having fun in the studio.
Speaker 5: She was she came down to Alema and this was
Speaker 5: she was still the pop princess. She came out here
Speaker 5: and got caught up in it.
Speaker 1: She said, got caught up.
Speaker 5: She got caught up in next thing, you know.
Speaker 1: She said, I my album dirty like she's feeling it.
Speaker 5: She turned it to that and then she said, I
Speaker 5: want to rock. This was she said, now this one,
Speaker 5: this one, I know how this one I know trooperstars
Speaker 5: called their plays. She say, the Red the Red Man
Speaker 5: that Met the Man videos video was on TV. She said,
Speaker 5: I need a beat like that.
Speaker 6: She got her management irving as off call rock.
Speaker 5: Wilder Rock wild. I sent the pack of beats and
Speaker 5: she listenew She's like, this is gonna be my single.
Speaker 5: She flew back to l A.
Speaker 6: She called me like when she got back to l
Speaker 6: A like, come out here, Jem. I had just di vibe.
Speaker 6: I got to beat. I know it's gonna be my single.
Speaker 6: Damn Manly, she ain't even really need me on the
Speaker 6: we we got to hang on Blabe, what's up?
Speaker 5: Blabel? Blair would have pretty much you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: They know Bla would have done laces that thing up
Speaker 5: and I walk in out. That's when I first met
Speaker 5: Blabel and Blay were like, oh she got enough. But men,
Speaker 5: he figured out I was cool. He was like, man,
Speaker 5: come on here to finish this bridge and woo yeah
Speaker 5: and that thing I know, man, she had a video
Speaker 5: in three weeks. I'm like, oh this is oh this
Speaker 5: that level, this that level man, she called the shot man.
Speaker 5: That Dirty came out and man and it did what
Speaker 5: it did. And that's when I found out what those
Speaker 5: performance Roytis was like this when I figured out would
Speaker 5: be in my asskout. Before I never knew I was
Speaker 5: signed up to be on my but I didn't know
Speaker 5: what it was for. I just the everybody just say
Speaker 5: you got to be signed to me on my ass gut.
Speaker 1: I was yeah.
Speaker 6: Then I figured out why, Oh, that's why you want.
Speaker 1: Perform when they start collecting money all over the world.
Speaker 5: I say this, this makes sense because you know you
Speaker 5: been still you hear people arguing over singles and hearing
Speaker 5: people I want to single war.
Speaker 6: I ain't never know why. Now I knew why.
Speaker 5: So Dirty was probably the first record I was a
Speaker 5: part of with with with everybody involved that really understood
Speaker 5: that was like, okay, that's kind of a hit.
Speaker 6: M hmm, yeah, that's come of the hit right now?
Speaker 1: Do the phone calls get different after get well?
Speaker 6: The thing about this. I don't know how this indugry works.
Speaker 5: If you just even attached to anything that looks a
Speaker 5: certain kind of way, people are gonna call you, you
Speaker 5: know what I mean, Like they're just gonna call you
Speaker 5: because they got dy version or whatever that is and
Speaker 5: they want something like that or whatever. So the phone calls,
Speaker 5: come man, can you come work with this and work
Speaker 5: with that?
Speaker 3: So yeah, it definitely helped, But you've become part of
Speaker 3: the conversation where it's like, Okay, this guy can deliver
Speaker 3: it here.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, he he ain't gonna make a look bad.
Speaker 1: And they're always going to give you a shot.
Speaker 5: Give me a shot.
Speaker 8: When you got your uh performance, run talk to them,
Speaker 8: you know, I see you know. Oh yeah you got
Speaker 8: you got your drip on? Oh yeah, those type of things.
Speaker 1: Yeah, what did you buy?
Speaker 6: Probably a whole bunch of ugly probably a whole probably
Speaker 6: and a.
Speaker 5: Bunch of chicken wing cheesecake factory, and a man, probably
Speaker 5: a bunch of ugly old clothes.
Speaker 1: Back then.
Speaker 5: That then the strip club heavy come on, So that's what?
Speaker 1: Which which one was you?
Speaker 5: Oh my god? What was at the Magic City? Was
Speaker 5: at the Blue Flame? Where we was at the gentleman
Speaker 5: club man we did.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, man, you put some girls through college.
Speaker 5: Man, you know what. I don't know if I did
Speaker 5: that much, but I showed him how to help him
Speaker 5: eat for a week or two. Yeah, yeah, and have
Speaker 5: some good times. Yeah. I showed her I wasn't spending
Speaker 5: that much money. You didn't because you know this before
Speaker 5: just before making rain.
Speaker 3: So we were so being meth hasn't at this mottill
Speaker 3: win Yeah a long way.
Speaker 6: It meant some man, you can still flip your sitting
Speaker 6: piecing it off man, yea. We having us a girl friend.
Speaker 5: For the night.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, come on. Then I was really meant oh.
Speaker 5: Man, and I went scared again at least fo'honand that
Speaker 5: one man that was like, oh my god.
Speaker 1: Yeah, man was in there. I was.
Speaker 5: And now we're piercing the mouth. Well oh oh some
Speaker 5: club fired out of the table table dance.
Speaker 6: It was some ten.
Speaker 5: But man, we had some good times. Oh man, shooters
Speaker 5: alley Yeah yeah, flash back. Oh yeah, man, you know
Speaker 5: we was living it.
Speaker 1: We was in it. What ye what year is this?
Speaker 5: It's about two thousand and three and four.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because I was down here because we said noontime.
Speaker 3: I was down here early in ninety eight.
Speaker 6: And I'm gonna tell you.
Speaker 5: I remember. I'm gonna tell you the first time I
Speaker 5: heard of you. I at the studio this when I
Speaker 5: first signed to Dallas. JQ come busting in the street
Speaker 5: and say, hey, man, I just met the most incredible
Speaker 5: slinger in the world. He's gonna take over.
Speaker 6: And I said, really, he said, and they called him
Speaker 6: he said, he said, he said, now he better than
Speaker 6: all us. JQ like, man, this man incredible.
Speaker 5: I say, like, Dad, he said, Man, listen when I'm
Speaker 5: telling you. He said, it's got tank man, He's incredible.
Speaker 5: And that's the first time I heard about you.
Speaker 6: He was like, man, wait, do y'all He because.
Speaker 5: He was working a new time a lot. He came
Speaker 5: around the corner. He was like, Man, wait, do y'all
Speaker 5: hear this dude?
Speaker 1: Man, wait, do y'all hears a noon time every day?
Speaker 3: Yeah, Yes, Teddy bitch Teddy Cox because before be Cox.
Speaker 5: He he ain't got them twins. If he's blue, he's.
Speaker 3: Still like tinkering around. And I'm like, he got okay,
Speaker 3: all right? Because j Duve is the guy yo Jay Dub.
Speaker 3: He was on fire the original Rocks.
Speaker 6: He was out.
Speaker 5: Yes, he was on fire fire, Oh my god, he
Speaker 5: got Oh yeah, he was going crazy out here. Fire
Speaker 5: he was going crazy.
Speaker 1: And that's when I first met the Twins.
Speaker 4: Wow.
Speaker 1: And then be Cox was like, man, you gotta come over,
Speaker 1: you know C J D spot and yeah, that's crazy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I'd go over to they to go over
Speaker 3: to Jermaine the Priest spot, the south Side beat, the
Speaker 3: Twins and basketball, you know, Jacked, you know, I don't
Speaker 3: know they want to talk about that story.
Speaker 5: We're talking about.
Speaker 8: Why are we talking about jadab though, Yeah, let's get
Speaker 8: this out. Me and Tank did not know each other
Speaker 8: at this point, and he is not saying this. Jay
Speaker 8: in the beginning of Slowly people.
Speaker 1: People, Jamie j great come on, because j played every
Speaker 1: instrument he was on that special. He was in his draws.
Speaker 3: Man, I don't know why that man was why that's
Speaker 3: that's that's where he found the vibe.
Speaker 1: He found he found in his draws found.
Speaker 3: He didn't when he played the track for me, he said,
Speaker 3: I said, well, you know, where's the where's the session for?
Speaker 1: He said, I lost it and back then listening to
Speaker 1: session so yeah, two track. Oh, yes, that's what I'm
Speaker 1: talking it's the two track off CD.
Speaker 5: Well, we got to do it what we got?
Speaker 1: They never do that, I said, I said, whatever, Slowly
Speaker 1: is a two track, that's amazing, two track off CD.
Speaker 1: I said, there's no way you can reproduce this.
Speaker 6: Y'all bounce it down the two track or did y'all
Speaker 6: do it in pro tools?
Speaker 1: I sang this on this might have been the first
Speaker 1: song I sing in pro tools. That's crazy.
Speaker 3: Slowly might be the first song I sing in pro
Speaker 3: toos wy wow wow, because everything else before that was
Speaker 3: to no separate tracks on Slowly, that's what that's your amazing.
Speaker 6: That mix had to be on that CD for you
Speaker 6: to be able to use it like that.
Speaker 1: He wasn't gonna be able to do that again, ever,
Speaker 1: I said, I don't care.
Speaker 3: I don't care. I don't care if it's peaking, I
Speaker 3: don't care. What the imperfection you ain't gonna be able
Speaker 3: to do.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: We rolled around l A and he it's bends with
Speaker 3: them Law and hert rims for a week listening to
Speaker 3: that track, eating that PF chain, chain man, having Apple Martine.
Speaker 3: That's borrowing money from FLINTI giving us big paper in
Speaker 3: the city. Yeah, Yeah, New Times. Crazy that that that
Speaker 3: moment right there, like that was that was so and
Speaker 3: that was so needed for me to But you weren't
Speaker 3: a part.
Speaker 5: Of I went a part of New Time. So what
Speaker 5: happened was it just so happened that the first time
Speaker 5: I used to see them around the city all time.
Speaker 5: What up, Nooney? You know what I'm saying?
Speaker 1: What up? Chris?
Speaker 5: You know, I just see them around the city all
Speaker 5: the time. But they had started popping off with their producers,
Speaker 5: so I used to go with there. I was trying
Speaker 5: to write, So they'll have they'll try to link their
Speaker 5: producers up, they'll bring that tapes beats on there and so.
Speaker 5: But when I first then when I started doing the beats,
Speaker 5: that's when Ryan came start buying them from me too,
Speaker 5: you know what I mean. So we used to always
Speaker 5: go around each other and be around each other all
Speaker 5: the time.
Speaker 1: What was you making your b tongue?
Speaker 5: Yeah? You see two thousand excels? Yeah, yeah, a good
Speaker 5: old try.
Speaker 1: You started a two thousand excels Yeah, okay, okay.
Speaker 5: Triting to try and I had to try, And then
Speaker 5: I had the mom what that module was that had
Speaker 5: our planet fast.
Speaker 6: Planet fat what's that other one that eighty I had?
Speaker 8: You know, like yeah, it was really like the starter
Speaker 8: studio producer packed up everybody when you were like, yo,
Speaker 8: I want to start by Okay you need ten yep,
Speaker 8: yeah yeah no.
Speaker 1: PC, it's a pack, it's a planet.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, it's a thing we started off. Yeah yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: that was the kick. What what made you feel like
Speaker 3: you could produce like that? That's that's what I want
Speaker 3: to ask you, because you had your writing on. What
Speaker 3: made you think, you know what, I can figure this
Speaker 3: production out there? Somebody giving you the information like how
Speaker 3: you said Dallas kind of brought you in and just
Speaker 3: showed you the ropes?
Speaker 1: Was it from him or who was that from?
Speaker 5: Definitely him? Because for real the first time. So when
Speaker 5: I first met doubt it is the first thing I
Speaker 5: did was play songs on piano and sang the songs
Speaker 5: to him.
Speaker 6: That's why he wanted to sign.
Speaker 5: Me, like, oh you're one hundred percent so here like
Speaker 5: oh you don't really need nobody, But I wasn't all
Speaker 5: the way good on the beat.
Speaker 1: Shit.
Speaker 5: What happened was he let me sit around him, and
Speaker 5: he let me sit around the studio. Then I really
Speaker 5: learned by watching everybody how they did the beats. Then
Speaker 5: I had a room in at the time who he
Speaker 5: had got an MPC two thousand, Jeff, and he was
Speaker 5: an intern at the studio, so he was my roommate.
Speaker 5: So I practiced at home with him and then but
Speaker 5: I knew I could produce because for real, what the producer.
Speaker 5: The reason I started getting placement was because the producers
Speaker 5: could give me the track and I produced everybody vocals
Speaker 5: and I could make people sound good. And that learned
Speaker 5: early on. If you can get artists to sound good,
Speaker 5: they always want to work with you. Yeah, And it
Speaker 5: was harder to do back then. You know, you had
Speaker 5: to really vocal produce back then. Yeah, so every artist
Speaker 5: used to. So the producers started being like, that's what
Speaker 5: gonna write my songs because they ain't got to sit
Speaker 5: there with me and produce it. I'm a vocal producer.
Speaker 5: I'm gonna do it all. And so then after that
Speaker 5: it's like, man, I can already play, I can already
Speaker 5: vocal produce all.
Speaker 6: I gott dudes learn how to work this NPC the
Speaker 6: right way, and that's it.
Speaker 5: And so that's what I did. I practiced on the
Speaker 5: MPC for a little while, and then I'm like, okay,
Speaker 5: my ears put it all together, start fine tuning it,
Speaker 5: and then I start making beats, and man, they like
Speaker 5: they're gonna bite it your beats. Okay, well it must
Speaker 5: be good enough.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, Cool. Did the beat that you sold did
Speaker 1: it ever come out?
Speaker 5: Ever came out?
Speaker 1: Just got your check? I just got my check your
Speaker 1: front end fron got Yeah, you have the four teen.
Speaker 5: Yeah, he gave me to full ten.
Speaker 1: Yep, that was back then.
Speaker 5: He gave me the full thing. It wasn't even on
Speaker 5: front and back because he needed his five. Yeah, because
Speaker 5: he needed five.
Speaker 1: Pushed that through.
Speaker 5: Push it on cool. So it never even came out
Speaker 5: on that artist. It never even came out. And then
Speaker 5: after that it just started flowing.
Speaker 8: So you got derdy going, Yeah, when does like the
Speaker 8: full run kick in? Where is it is it Lloyd
Speaker 8: that kicks.
Speaker 1: It off for you?
Speaker 5: We'll see what happened with Llyd he throughout this whole time,
Speaker 5: Lord always still with me. Lloyd ended up losing his
Speaker 5: group record deal. But Lloyd was up early pre teen,
Speaker 5: but he was getting in trouble because Lord always been edged,
Speaker 5: so he was getting in trouble in school he was
Speaker 5: getting arrested and all that.
Speaker 6: So his mama was Lloyd Yeah, so Lloyd like Lloyd Yeah.
Speaker 6: So Lord was like you know.
Speaker 5: So his yeah, you know sor his mama used to
Speaker 5: be like johs. But let him come to the studio
Speaker 5: with child. So she'll send him to the studio with us,
Speaker 5: my brother and we'll go pick him up. He ain't
Speaker 5: gonna be and my brother and my cousin to keep
Speaker 5: him out of trouble. Just bring him to the studio,
Speaker 5: you know what I'm saying. So we started doing demos
Speaker 5: for him just because we just doing songs, and then
Speaker 5: he get a solo deal. So by him getting when
Speaker 5: when I send out the songs we was doing, he
Speaker 5: end up getting a solo deal. This was Matgic Johnson
Speaker 5: though this is Matt Johnson had his label ship, so
Speaker 5: he was signing Match Johnson. But in the time we
Speaker 5: finished during the album, none of the songs came out
Speaker 5: because Maggie Johnson decided to cut his label off. Well
Speaker 5: those same songs we had. So one day he in
Speaker 5: the studio and he was like, uh, he just hanging
Speaker 5: with me every dayt the studio. He just coming up
Speaker 5: being me, so he won't get in trouble.
Speaker 1: So Magic didn't pay for the demo. Practically, yeah back, Oh.
Speaker 6: He prayed for a whole album. Oh, mag of them
Speaker 6: played good.
Speaker 5: What do our things work out? So we had so
Speaker 5: now we had an album that for for good songs.
Speaker 5: So what happened was he was in the lawd was
Speaker 5: in the studio, hanging out every day with us. No,
Speaker 5: he just Lord was always mature for his aide. So
Speaker 5: people didn't the girl.
Speaker 1: But at this point he's still a teenager.
Speaker 5: He's still a teenager. He and I'm not fifteen to sixteen,
Speaker 5: you know what I'm saying. So one day he coming,
Speaker 5: Dondelle Jones got a session. So Dundelle Jones got a
Speaker 5: session at dark because you know Dallas used to run
Speaker 5: out of the studio. So done that. So so Mark
Speaker 5: pitts his A and R. So Mark Pitt's come in
Speaker 5: and he see Lloyd because you know he see him me.
Speaker 5: He a little young, he like a little hood dude
Speaker 5: with and he say, ask Lord, man what you do?
Speaker 5: He said, Man, I sang Mark Peces like no way
Speaker 5: you sing, no way, no way you sing. He got
Speaker 5: sign he said, you got songs. So he said Jospeer.
Speaker 5: So you know, I'm always in the studio one where
Speaker 5: songs at. So I said, I got our songs right here.
Speaker 5: So we go in the room. Mark Pitts heard them songs.
Speaker 5: Mark Pitce say no way. Mark Pitts jumped on the phone,
Speaker 5: try to call La. These same demo songs were the
Speaker 5: first songs Lloyd came out with, which was Hey Young
Speaker 5: Girl in the south Side.
Speaker 6: Them them all these songs.
Speaker 1: Yd.
Speaker 5: He was fifteen John So Matt Magic songs, Matti Johnson
Speaker 5: paid Yeah. So yeah, so he Gooyd had south Side,
Speaker 5: he had, he had a Hey Young Girl and all
Speaker 5: that shit stuff and the other songs I had did.
Speaker 5: So when Mark Pitts heard all them songs, Mark pitt
Speaker 5: was like, man, we gotta sign you. So he called
Speaker 5: l A. He set up with me for Lord to
Speaker 5: go to l A mean and go to meet with La.
Speaker 5: So Lloyd about sixteen. At this point, so Lloyd he
Speaker 5: do he do the meaning he was about to go
Speaker 5: to New York to do that, meaning, I'm doing a
Speaker 5: real fast version of you, okay. And so while he
Speaker 5: was up there about supposed to do his meeting with
Speaker 5: La Reid, Lloyd, Lloyd's attorney Ron Sweeney, his IRV Gotti. Hey,
Speaker 5: I got this jumboll over here. He about to go
Speaker 5: meet with La Red, but you need to come see
Speaker 5: him before he go do that meeting with La Red.
Speaker 5: You need to come see this boy.
Speaker 1: Murder is on fire.
Speaker 5: Well at this point, it's kind of it's if this
Speaker 5: one fifty first coming up.
Speaker 1: So it was like a little yeah, I thought he
Speaker 1: was okay, but they had they're gonna fight.
Speaker 6: You know, they were still the biggest, they were still
Speaker 6: like it's still like.
Speaker 5: Crazy, you know what I'm saying. So when Layd went
Speaker 5: to New York, we was all sitting back at home,
Speaker 5: like waiting to let us know how to l A
Speaker 5: Rea because we're gonna get us a you know, we
Speaker 5: gonna us l A Reed deal, you know what I mean.
Speaker 6: So he called me and.
Speaker 5: Said, hey, chap Man, I'm at a shunty platinum party. Said, man,
Speaker 5: what you're doing all the shunting platinum party? He said, Man,
Speaker 5: earth got it. I think IRV wanna sign me? I said,
Speaker 5: IRV wanna sign you? He's like yeah, And so we're like, wow,
Speaker 5: we thinking he gonna better get sign to La Reid.
Speaker 5: HERV intercepted through Ryn Sweeney the lawyer, because he was
Speaker 5: Earth lawyer too. So Ryn Swingey put that call Earth
Speaker 5: come get him. So Earth boom. So the next week,
Speaker 5: Earth fly down because Earth come believe like this young
Speaker 5: boy wrote these songs and all he got all this.
Speaker 5: Let me see if it's real. So Earth fled down
Speaker 5: to meet all his friends, which is us, my cousin,
Speaker 5: and it's real. He's like, oh, this is what he around.
Speaker 5: Oh he looked at her a little hood. Oh he
Speaker 5: for real and ear shot that video so quick.
Speaker 6: For he moved Lord up.
Speaker 5: He took Lord up to New York to do about
Speaker 5: five or six more songs and shot that video for
Speaker 5: he put a shunt on the south side because at
Speaker 5: first she wasn't on south side. It was his cousin.
Speaker 6: He put a shunt on the south side and it
Speaker 6: was on way bigger than me.
Speaker 5: Man like, for real, Man, I couldn't design none of this,
Speaker 5: the stuff, the stuff I've been messed it up. I
Speaker 5: couldn't design none of this that. I can't design it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, okay, a right, we get to you up here,
Speaker 1: find it.
Speaker 5: He finally finding the key.
Speaker 1: Will that be one? Will there be one?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: M h m hm.
Speaker 1: Chasm, yes, sir, Micheur, Big Love. Yeah. H we want
Speaker 1: to know here, but we want to know chief. Top five,
Speaker 1: your top five mm hmm, top.
Speaker 3: Five, your top five RB singer whatever, Why are the songs?
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, big Love, You've got You've seen I know you, yes,
Speaker 4: yeah right, but with Ray Charles, Ray Charles, that was great.
Speaker 3: Yeah, brother, big Love, Yes, sir, Your top five R
Speaker 3: and B singer hmm.
Speaker 6: Okay, this is this is my own personal now. You
Speaker 6: know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: The world your world, the top five most influential RB
Speaker 5: singles on me and I listened to you know, I
Speaker 5: want to just put a prerequisite. You know, we can
Speaker 5: always do the Michael Jacksons and the Princess and and
Speaker 5: and you know what I'm saying, We gonna always do them,
Speaker 5: but I'm gonna try to go off a little bit
Speaker 5: off kill too for the ones that really influenced me.
Speaker 5: Besides yeah, besides Michael and Prince because they touch everybody soul.
Speaker 5: That Bobby Brown, the truth, the blueprint, Yes, sir, the blueprint.
Speaker 5: People don't know a lot of the post. Barbara Brown
Speaker 5: was way different than beginning than before. Bobby He changed
Speaker 5: the game. You got to give Bobby them two dances.
Speaker 6: Behind you dancing, nasty dancing and singing. That's the hunting
Speaker 6: and all of that Bobby.
Speaker 5: So when you see us, when you see Chris and
Speaker 5: you see all of them, Bobby with the blueprint for
Speaker 5: that Bobby because you know, you know, Mike was a
Speaker 5: different thing. He was out of this world. Bobby brought
Speaker 5: you to the hood. So you see r Kelly, he
Speaker 5: got some of that Bobby in it. You know what
Speaker 5: I'm saying. When you see all of them, you know
Speaker 5: they got that Bobby in them. So I'm gonna say,
Speaker 5: Boby Brown, just for me, for you, Keith Sweat change
Speaker 5: the game. When you hear that eight a wait in
Speaker 5: them slow songs, the first one to do that thing,
Speaker 5: Keith Sweat, that make the laugh for ever able that
Speaker 5: him and Teddy did change the game.
Speaker 1: The sweat, the sweat man.
Speaker 5: You can'tnot keep sweat. You can't cannot keep sweat, you know, yeah, yeah, put.
Speaker 1: His hands out. He tried not keep sweating the super
Speaker 1: all the super freaking songs, but he did for Silk that.
Speaker 3: Freakment a producer, writer and owner, owner way before anybody.
Speaker 5: Even sometimes I don't think people get Key Sweat was
Speaker 5: the right way. Get Key Sweat, Star money. They don't know,
Speaker 5: they don't know, and we're gonna make sure make sure
Speaker 5: they know. Many changed the game. So the way y'all
Speaker 5: hear R and B music when y'all start hanging with
Speaker 5: the super deep eight away, Okay, everybody had that.
Speaker 6: That deep basing and like rap songs. That's Keith Sweat.
Speaker 1: Man, keep going, keep going.
Speaker 5: Let me see influence me. I'm gonna take it up
Speaker 5: to R. Kelly. Why not game changer for sure? Game changer,
Speaker 5: change the game to after game changing. Man, you can't
Speaker 5: take it. You know, whatever you got going, But man,
Speaker 5: you can't take away them songs. Man, you can't take
Speaker 5: away the performances. You can't take away the flavor he
Speaker 5: brought to the world. You can't take it.
Speaker 6: On the teleent side, you can't take that away. You
Speaker 6: gotta get it to it.
Speaker 3: You can't take away the the the amount of inspiration,
Speaker 3: come on, man, the amount of gifts that were birthed.
Speaker 1: Yeah, as a result of.
Speaker 5: What he was doing, our killing man wouldn't be we
Speaker 5: wouldn't room, we wouldn't be like we are because well,
Speaker 5: you know, we come from the generation of talking different
Speaker 5: with our R and b PN, but we kind of,
Speaker 5: you know, we come from after that. We could we're
Speaker 5: gonna talk like that.
Speaker 1: We could talk about we talk.
Speaker 5: Yeah, shut up, shut up.
Speaker 1: I don't never want to hear.
Speaker 5: I will never knew, I said, yeah, shut up, yeah, yeah, man,
Speaker 5: the true man gotta give it to him.
Speaker 1: Man. Yeah, that's three.
Speaker 5: That's three, babyface. Man, come on, man, that's this baby
Speaker 5: face my last one. It's a it's a combination. But
Speaker 5: I'm gonna tell you why. Charlie Willison, m Charlie Willison,
Speaker 5: Uncle Charlie. Let me tell y'all something. This whole generation
Speaker 5: of us that do all them runs and all that
Speaker 5: stuff we bit off. Charlie Wilson, Aaron Hall wanted to
Speaker 5: be Charlie Wilson. Arkella wanted to be Aaron Hall. Keller
Speaker 5: wanted to be Aaron Aaron Hall wanted to be Charlie
Speaker 5: Wilson the way Charlie will was.
Speaker 6: And then this, this is why I got to come up,
Speaker 6: because guess what Charlie Wilson wanted to say, like.
Speaker 5: Steven Wonder the game, so the way we sing all
Speaker 5: these runs and I knew and not Aaron all of
Speaker 5: that Charlie Wilson really, but he was getting from Steven Wonder,
Speaker 5: So that's why I said, but I don't think they,
Speaker 5: but but Charlie Wilson, the way he sing like man,
Speaker 5: come on, man, like for real, the way that guy
Speaker 5: from Oh My Word to this day boy. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 5: all I wanted to hit them runs like that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Chris, and most of us can't. We can't see
Speaker 1: at all for most of us. That is. That's different way,
Speaker 1: different love. Yeah. Yeah, I like where you're going your
Speaker 1: top five R and B songs.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's like pulling my heart out. I'm gonna tell
Speaker 5: you my first one. If I'm going by pure Field,
Speaker 5: I gotta give a Lately by Steven Wan of that
Speaker 5: that was remade by huh Josi't gonna tell you why
Speaker 5: if you listen to the words and Lately, the only
Speaker 5: person that could have wrote that was Steven Wander or
Speaker 5: another blind man because the lyrics he's saying far more frequently,
Speaker 5: you're wearing perfume to say, no special place to go.
Speaker 5: The only way he knows she going out and all
Speaker 5: that because he's smell of perfume. He can't see what
Speaker 5: she's going. He don't know. She got on. He got
Speaker 5: to do.
Speaker 1: That's the only way she's going.
Speaker 5: Man.
Speaker 6: Come on, I can smell the perfume, man, ain't nobody
Speaker 6: can he on.
Speaker 3: He's not about what she's wearing. See that.
Speaker 6: I can smell your perfume. More frequently you're wearing her perfume.
Speaker 6: This is really my my favorite Michael Jackson song.
Speaker 5: Is this right here? For real? Lady in my life?
Speaker 5: And then like I said, as we lay, I got
Speaker 5: to say, as we that's the first that's the first
Speaker 5: record I asked my mama to buy me with that
Speaker 5: feel on it like that, So as we lay and
Speaker 5: Man for real, cry for you Jo Tosy, you better
Speaker 5: do it man. When I heard that, When I heard
Speaker 5: that cry for you, man.
Speaker 1: I said, whoa life changing? Yes, what's going on?
Speaker 5: Man?
Speaker 6: Like I'm a crop of you. They're saying the softest
Speaker 6: thing in the world, but in the hardest way.
Speaker 5: Come on, and I gotta do this song right here, man,
Speaker 5: even though it was another song on the on the album,
Speaker 5: but this whole album, Man, change my life to that
Speaker 5: any heartbreak?
Speaker 6: Can you stand? Can you stand the rain?
Speaker 5: And can you stand the rain?
Speaker 2: Man?
Speaker 8: That song?
Speaker 5: And they coming home I can put them between one combo.
Speaker 5: Can you stand the ring that coming Home?
Speaker 3: I don't care if you put the whole album and
Speaker 3: the whole album man Heartbreakers.
Speaker 6: Man that Jam and Lewis. Man, come on, man, who
Speaker 6: do it better than them?
Speaker 3: Man?
Speaker 5: Man? They changed the game?
Speaker 1: Man? Your R and B volt Trump?
Speaker 3: Okay, Yeah, perfect R and B singer, your arm your
Speaker 3: your perfect, your super hero.
Speaker 1: I want to know who you're gonna get the vocal from? Okay?
Speaker 3: The performance style, yeah, the styling of the artists, yeah,
Speaker 3: in the heart of the artists, the passion of the artists.
Speaker 3: And then, because you are a writer producer often at
Speaker 3: this part right here, who's going to produce and write
Speaker 3: the songs?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 3: You didn't know that was co Yeah, get tricky right there.
Speaker 3: All right, So let's start with the vocal for your
Speaker 3: vult trump. Who you get the vocal from?
Speaker 5: The vocal for my R and B volt trying. I'm
Speaker 5: gonna say Whitney and I'm gonna say Michael, because they
Speaker 5: got the perfect vocal. They can sing soul and they
Speaker 5: could sing pop. They can they could they can sing anything, yeah,
Speaker 5: and make it their own. And they can take a
Speaker 5: song no matter what genre it is, and you're gonna
Speaker 5: you're gonna they generalists, you know what I mean. So
Speaker 5: that's why I like their vocal tones. That's why like
Speaker 5: Whitney Vocaltone. That's why like Michael Vocaltone, because well it's
Speaker 5: like the same thing. I like the same thing about
Speaker 5: both of them. I like that by Beyonce too, But
Speaker 5: I'm just gonna say, you know what I'm saying, Beyonce
Speaker 5: got that too.
Speaker 1: Performance style.
Speaker 5: Man, I'm gonna tell you that. I got to give
Speaker 5: it to Bobby Brown again. But I'm gonna tell you
Speaker 5: why he changed my life. How nasty he was on stage.
Speaker 5: That man used to dance so hard, man and go
Speaker 5: so hard on stage, get kicked out the stage and
Speaker 5: all that. I'm gonna say Bobby, But really, Bobby kind
Speaker 5: of was a He was kind of a James Brown too,
Speaker 5: because James I was funking nasty like that too, So
Speaker 5: they kind of had that same kind of thing.
Speaker 8: I always say something about that Brown name, Yeah, James Brown,
Speaker 8: Bobby Brown Brown, and.
Speaker 6: I would put Chris to but I know Chris, he
Speaker 6: had the river of Bobby. So like I think they
Speaker 6: got Chriss.
Speaker 1: Bobby, And yeah, you know what I'm saying, so he
Speaker 1: Michael Brown, what career?
Speaker 6: You know what I'm saying. So I'm gonna say that too.
Speaker 1: Styling of the artist, the drip, the drip. Who is
Speaker 1: gonna drip? Like?
Speaker 5: Man, I'm gonna tell you who had the ultimate drip.
Speaker 5: And I got to give it to this man because
Speaker 5: for real, he would wear things that only he could
Speaker 5: pull off. And you can say nothing about it. Prince,
Speaker 5: the thing you could that man and for real, man
Speaker 5: like he won't. He he will what he wanted to
Speaker 5: well when he wanted to wear. And you if you uncomfortable,
Speaker 5: then that you're on you.
Speaker 1: He added the motorcycle to it. Yeah, he motorcycle is
Speaker 1: really important.
Speaker 5: Yeah he had.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he brought all the purple. It was important.
Speaker 8: But you know what, and the guitar and guitar because
Speaker 8: because Richard was on the piano, but standing with the guitars.
Speaker 5: But I'm gonna tell you somebody was a little bit
Speaker 5: before Prince. They kind of set it up for him.
Speaker 5: Rick James.
Speaker 6: Yeah, Rick James, you know what I mean, Like, you know,
Speaker 6: you know Prince got a little game from Rick.
Speaker 5: Yeah. It helps me with the lift tars, with the
Speaker 5: faith frame, with the glitter and with that good tar. Yeah,
Speaker 5: Rick Rick, call forget about.
Speaker 1: Rick Gamey, Rick James.
Speaker 5: Yes.
Speaker 1: The passion of the artist, the heart of the artists.
Speaker 5: The passion, Oh my god, man, the passion man, you
Speaker 5: know who I got to give it to because in
Speaker 5: this day and time, I know how hard it is
Speaker 5: to keep going no matter what you go through. The passion.
Speaker 5: I got to go to Chris Brown, listen to him.
Speaker 6: Man, Ain't nobody, Man, Le'm gonna tell you something.
Speaker 1: Nobody's gonna argue that.
Speaker 5: Really, when that boy came back from you know, we
Speaker 5: all you're gonna go through our things. We're gonna go
Speaker 5: through issues. You know, we're gonna you know, we're gonna
Speaker 5: make mistakes. But for him to fight back from where
Speaker 5: he had a fail from and how they tried to
Speaker 5: and he had to go back to doing those mixed
Speaker 5: tapes and he had to grind his way back up
Speaker 5: and figure it all out to get back. You know,
Speaker 5: I think it made him a better artist. And I'm
Speaker 5: gonna be honest with you, I kind of believe he's
Speaker 5: still here right now because he learned from that how
Speaker 5: to be tough, how do certain things? Certain things?
Speaker 2: Man?
Speaker 5: You seeing the dog you never gonna see in the light.
Speaker 5: So when you kind of he's battle tested. So he
Speaker 5: had the things he had to figure out how to
Speaker 5: keep hisself going. Really it talking about to survive without
Speaker 5: a label. No matter hey man, no matter who around,
Speaker 5: no matter what you man, you.
Speaker 8: Love me, you will pull up at the record plan.
Speaker 8: And you just saw him recreating himself.
Speaker 6: That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: He was in that studio.
Speaker 5: It's not easy thing.
Speaker 8: Three months every day, every day, every night. I'm talking
Speaker 8: about the tattoo artists in there.
Speaker 1: You got everything that he needs in that studio.
Speaker 8: And he would play them songs and I'd be like,
Speaker 8: I would just go by every other night and just
Speaker 8: it was a new batch of eighty songs. It takes
Speaker 8: a passion, takes that when everybody is telling you it's over,
Speaker 8: it's over.
Speaker 5: And we all know how hard that is in this
Speaker 5: game with man, when people stop answering the calls, when
Speaker 5: they look at.
Speaker 6: You, it's done.
Speaker 3: Step further, when they stopped answering the calls and then
Speaker 3: they calling other people to tell them not.
Speaker 1: To answer the call.
Speaker 6: How gangs to that?
Speaker 3: He is?
Speaker 1: Come on, man, who's.
Speaker 3: Writing for this and or producing for this artist or
Speaker 3: who's the writer producer, because you know we do both.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: You might have.
Speaker 5: You know, man, the writer producer for this artist. Man,
Speaker 5: its joint to joint win Babyface in l A or
Speaker 5: Jam Jam and Lewis.
Speaker 1: You know well you will not men.
Speaker 5: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: It's great weight. That's a great way.
Speaker 5: Yeah man, that's a great way. Yeah yeah man.
Speaker 1: But while you're here, we got a very very y
Speaker 1: special segment.
Speaker 8: Yeah, give him a little bit, come on, give me
Speaker 8: just give him a little taste of what we got
Speaker 8: coming up.
Speaker 3: Man, Chief, what is it called? I ain't saying no nigga.
Speaker 3: I ain't saying no names. I ain't saying no names.
Speaker 1: I ain't saying no names.
Speaker 5: Who is weird?
Speaker 4: What you did?
Speaker 1: Don't say? I ain't saying no name.
Speaker 5: We got so many of them here, we do.
Speaker 1: I know you dude.
Speaker 8: So right now, Yeah, we're getting to Jasper. Yeah, big love,
Speaker 8: street love, Yes, all the love. Yeah, I ain't saying
Speaker 8: no names. The story can be funny, are fucked up?
Speaker 8: Are funny and fucked.
Speaker 1: We like those? Okay. The only rule to the game.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I can't say no name can't say I'm about
Speaker 5: to give y'all.
Speaker 3: Too oh yeah, oh yeah, oh yeah, let me sit
Speaker 3: up in my chair when you're feeling and you're feeling it.
Speaker 5: So it was early in this rapper's career, rapper from
Speaker 5: around the career, he was dating a young R and
Speaker 5: B single. He was dating his young R and B
Speaker 5: singer that but this young R and B singer had
Speaker 5: just broke up with another R and B got from
Speaker 5: another group. So you know, you know, it be transitioning,
Speaker 5: it be weird. You know, when you transition it from one,
Speaker 5: you know, the crossover can get weird. So when the
Speaker 5: studio one night, so this young rapper he got his
Speaker 5: pistol on it and he looked at me, and you
Speaker 5: know everybody, you know, we people kind of know what's
Speaker 5: going on. And he looked at me and he was like, man,
Speaker 5: you know what, man, you know what, bitch, Oh man,
Speaker 5: this pissol I got can shoot through this wall. Imagine
Speaker 5: what it due to an R and B.
Speaker 1: Nigga, Oh shit.
Speaker 5: That Ralpherds said, this pistol right here, man, that by
Speaker 5: the pistol right here shoot through their wall.
Speaker 6: Imagine what it'll do to an R and B nigga.
Speaker 1: That's a threat. Ship.
Speaker 5: I was like, oh, I hope this don't go no further.
Speaker 5: He is not playing now, he wasn't playing like you
Speaker 5: know what I mean, like you know, and you know
Speaker 5: everybody in close proximity, so you know, people gonna see
Speaker 5: it to ship. Yeah, that was funny.
Speaker 3: Still alive, all them stuff, all them still like we
Speaker 3: just want to make sure everybody.
Speaker 1: I still going right, right, and I know you un
Speaker 1: comfortable though that moment.
Speaker 6: Oh, I'm like, oh, it's for real.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm doing big dogs working the little nigga in
Speaker 1: the world.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, he's worth it.
Speaker 5: You don't got to do that.
Speaker 1: You don't got to do that.
Speaker 5: Y'all supposed to be from Yeah, you know, yeah, you
Speaker 5: got it now, you ain't got to do that.
Speaker 1: Come on, black man, there's a man and a woman involved.
Speaker 1: We are no longer man that.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I got to wear that.
Speaker 6: I got one more so, I mean one at this time.
Speaker 6: This is one of my homies.
Speaker 5: He got one of the biggest rappers in the world
Speaker 5: at this time. So this time we had this career working.
Speaker 5: So we're working on songs, working on songs. All of
Speaker 5: a sudden, I see a little dog one down step.
Speaker 6: Like dog that is right there.
Speaker 5: That ain't no man dog. He ain't kind of got
Speaker 5: to have no dog like that. So the next thing
Speaker 5: I know, I said, R and B girl walk from
Speaker 5: up them steps and down. Hey, y'all's up to get
Speaker 5: the dog. But the trick was, I knew that this
Speaker 5: girl was dating the whole nother guy, and.
Speaker 1: So I'm like another rapper.
Speaker 5: He was in the rap world.
Speaker 6: He was in the rap world. He's in the rap world.
Speaker 5: So my partner, the rapper, look at me and started smiling, laughing,
Speaker 5: it's just gigging, and.
Speaker 6: I said, oh man, this ga'lood.
Speaker 5: Close blooded. It eventually came out later on, but it
Speaker 5: was that that was one of the moments when you
Speaker 5: see a dog come running down steps, you know, in
Speaker 5: his mansion whever. The dog come running down to me,
Speaker 5: like who dog is this?
Speaker 1: Pistols and dogs, Oh yeah, pistols.
Speaker 6: And then and then we were like and then our
Speaker 6: answer was soon coming down those steps, and we was like.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we man.
Speaker 5: He look at I think we've all been there.
Speaker 6: Yeah, no, y'all, y'all know, y'all I've been down.
Speaker 5: We're like, okay.
Speaker 3: The new debut albums do some little dogs.
Speaker 6: Like I say, hey that cross over be a food
Speaker 6: cross over, food transition.
Speaker 3: It's so small, it's so it's and everybody just has
Speaker 3: to like be cool like you got you, we got.
Speaker 1: We all know what we like.
Speaker 5: Okay.
Speaker 1: I don't see nothing, I don't know nothing.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I've had to stand at the next table between
Speaker 8: the nigga I just seen her with and her man.
Speaker 5: Oh that's a dog. That's a terrible.
Speaker 8: And then him showed me the text that she's texting
Speaker 8: him from the other table with her.
Speaker 5: Man, that's a cold, cold game. That's a cold game.
Speaker 1: Chack R and B.
Speaker 6: You gotta love the.
Speaker 3: Game, thought what you better respect? You gotta respect of
Speaker 3: the jacket or get collected.
Speaker 1: Yes, the game is gonna pay.
Speaker 5: The game is gonna The game is gonna be here, man,
Speaker 5: the player is gonna move around chain.
Speaker 1: I don't put nothing past no man.
Speaker 5: Man, you gotta love, you gotta take it all.
Speaker 1: You're not gonna say you fool me at all?
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Oh man, Well brother Jess, Yes, sir, brother, big love.
Speaker 5: Thank y'all.
Speaker 1: Man, we appreciate you for kicking this off for us.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 3: You know, I think we needed your energy man, come on, welcoming,
Speaker 3: welcoming us, Come on, y'all come man, Yeah, because you
Speaker 3: really you really, you really the soil.
Speaker 5: Yeah, man, and George's man, I hear I like, man,
Speaker 5: I gotta get on that with y'all. Man, we gotta
Speaker 5: talk talk.
Speaker 1: You know, we're gonna need some subtitles, you know, you
Speaker 1: know something.
Speaker 5: And I subconsciously like, let me try to make sure
Speaker 5: I'm kill.
Speaker 1: Everybody. I know they can watching like what he's saying. Again,
Speaker 1: I need I need a.
Speaker 5: Translator, call it patoir. I still, I'm like, man, I'm
Speaker 5: not said a conscious effort. I said, Man, I'm gonna try.
Speaker 3: To talk like I said, a conscious you know, he said,
Speaker 3: I said a conscious effort, Yeah, saying conscious.
Speaker 1: In my mind. No, no, I love it. You missed
Speaker 1: some words to go with. I said, a conscious, I
Speaker 1: said conscious. I said, I love it all. I love
Speaker 1: it all. Thank you pray. This is why we wanted
Speaker 1: you hear them.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 3: Yeah, people and people need to you know, you are
Speaker 3: great people. Hear the music, man, people hear the music.
Speaker 3: People are dancing to the music. People have you know,
Speaker 3: as as you say, music stamps a moment in time,
Speaker 3: and people have that to your songs, to your to
Speaker 3: your creativity, and they need to know who you are,
Speaker 3: who's responsible for that.
Speaker 1: Man, And that's what we're here for. Man.
Speaker 3: I appreciate it, man, you know what I'm saying. Appreciated
Speaker 3: your spirit. They say, that's a good brother. Spread the
Speaker 3: love and in our in our movements, good people finished.
Speaker 5: Man all the time.
Speaker 3: So, my brother, I'm time. And this is the R
Speaker 3: and B Money podcast, the authority on all things R
Speaker 3: and B. And if you didn't feel the love today,
Speaker 3: then you just wasn't trying to because we had big love.
Speaker 1: And the building. Yeah yeah, R and B Money.
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