1 00:00:08,880 --> 00:00:12,320 Speaker 1: Welcome to The Favorites, the podcast part of the Volume 2 00:00:12,360 --> 00:00:15,120 Speaker 1: podcast Network. I'm Chad Normand of the Action Network. Today 3 00:00:15,120 --> 00:00:17,640 Speaker 1: I'm joined as always by my co host, my companion, 4 00:00:17,680 --> 00:00:20,360 Speaker 1: Michael Padre might be a f professional better Signmon Hunter. 5 00:00:21,239 --> 00:00:25,480 Speaker 2: Hello, Simon, Chad, how are we doing? Dude? 6 00:00:25,800 --> 00:00:29,360 Speaker 1: You know I'm working on this book. And so I 7 00:00:29,480 --> 00:00:34,320 Speaker 1: was in Costa Rica last week. Spent forty hours in 8 00:00:34,360 --> 00:00:39,920 Speaker 1: Costa Rica. I was hanging out with a very high 9 00:00:39,960 --> 00:00:43,720 Speaker 1: stakes professional better much like yourself. 10 00:00:44,360 --> 00:00:46,879 Speaker 2: I couldnot get the game. 11 00:00:48,159 --> 00:00:52,000 Speaker 1: One of the NBA Finals, and like I could see 12 00:00:52,440 --> 00:00:54,480 Speaker 1: in the app, like it was. 13 00:00:54,480 --> 00:00:56,480 Speaker 2: A blowout, blowout, blowout. 14 00:00:56,440 --> 00:00:58,760 Speaker 1: So I just like went to bed and then all 15 00:00:58,760 --> 00:01:00,640 Speaker 1: of a sudden, literally I turned off the lights because 16 00:01:00,640 --> 00:01:03,280 Speaker 1: it's two hours earlier in Costa Rica, turn off the lights. 17 00:01:03,360 --> 00:01:06,520 Speaker 1: So it was nine o'clock and my phone started blowing 18 00:01:06,600 --> 00:01:11,959 Speaker 1: up about Game one and what Halliburton did in the 19 00:01:12,000 --> 00:01:16,280 Speaker 1: game against the Thunder. We're going to talk to Matt Moore, 20 00:01:16,520 --> 00:01:20,720 Speaker 1: who came out with us before the finals. Obviously the 21 00:01:20,720 --> 00:01:24,000 Speaker 1: host of Buckets did a great job breaking it down. 22 00:01:24,000 --> 00:01:27,640 Speaker 1: We're now going to preview game three. That first game 23 00:01:27,720 --> 00:01:29,800 Speaker 1: was everything I wanted it to be and I got 24 00:01:29,800 --> 00:01:31,120 Speaker 1: a lot of thoughts on how it's going to play 25 00:01:31,120 --> 00:01:31,840 Speaker 1: out the rest of the way. 26 00:01:33,280 --> 00:01:35,000 Speaker 3: Well, it does pay to watch those games live and 27 00:01:35,120 --> 00:01:37,399 Speaker 3: bet live. I literally did exactly what we're talking on 28 00:01:37,400 --> 00:01:40,240 Speaker 3: the show. I bet the number on OKC. I think 29 00:01:40,280 --> 00:01:43,800 Speaker 3: they were up seventeen or sixteen to one point through 30 00:01:43,840 --> 00:01:47,560 Speaker 3: a very small hedge on the money line. 31 00:01:47,960 --> 00:01:49,000 Speaker 4: And I did the same thing as you. 32 00:01:49,040 --> 00:01:50,440 Speaker 3: I thought it was dead because I think they were 33 00:01:50,440 --> 00:01:52,559 Speaker 3: still down by more than ten head into the fourth, 34 00:01:53,240 --> 00:01:54,360 Speaker 3: and or maybe it was even. 35 00:01:54,600 --> 00:01:56,280 Speaker 4: It might have been like five minutes left in the fourth. 36 00:01:56,320 --> 00:01:58,280 Speaker 2: I think it was fifteen, Like three minutes left, they 37 00:01:58,280 --> 00:01:59,320 Speaker 2: were down fifteen. 38 00:01:59,120 --> 00:02:00,840 Speaker 4: Whatever it was. I had the same thing as you. 39 00:02:00,920 --> 00:02:02,800 Speaker 3: I literally turn it off and that to the classic 40 00:02:03,200 --> 00:02:05,280 Speaker 3: You're not asleep, you're in bed and you're checking on 41 00:02:05,320 --> 00:02:06,840 Speaker 3: your phone because you literally you just want to make 42 00:02:06,920 --> 00:02:08,960 Speaker 3: see the money hit, and all of a sudden they 43 00:02:09,000 --> 00:02:10,680 Speaker 3: start coming back and it. 44 00:02:10,680 --> 00:02:12,600 Speaker 4: Was like just three after three. 45 00:02:12,639 --> 00:02:14,440 Speaker 3: It is why I love the NBA right now, where 46 00:02:14,480 --> 00:02:17,320 Speaker 3: it's like these these teams, if they get hot, hit 47 00:02:17,320 --> 00:02:20,079 Speaker 3: these threes, they're all such good shooters, everyone on the team, 48 00:02:20,680 --> 00:02:23,040 Speaker 3: you can't really give up on it, right, so immediately 49 00:02:23,040 --> 00:02:25,520 Speaker 3: pop back up caught that final mint of the game, 50 00:02:25,560 --> 00:02:28,799 Speaker 3: and yeah, I feel like what we talked about exactly 51 00:02:28,800 --> 00:02:31,679 Speaker 3: what Matt happened, which was, you know, they needed to 52 00:02:31,720 --> 00:02:34,320 Speaker 3: get very lucky, had the game be kind of tightened 53 00:02:34,320 --> 00:02:37,359 Speaker 3: the fourth and make big shots. And now we're once 54 00:02:37,360 --> 00:02:39,919 Speaker 3: again seeing history. We're like this, this team that no 55 00:02:39,960 --> 00:02:43,720 Speaker 3: one believed in won that Game one with a ton 56 00:02:43,760 --> 00:02:45,359 Speaker 3: of luck and a ton of skill. But it was 57 00:02:45,400 --> 00:02:47,240 Speaker 3: the exact way they needed to, right. They were just 58 00:02:47,560 --> 00:02:50,600 Speaker 3: outgunned in that game. So it was really fun. And 59 00:02:50,639 --> 00:02:52,560 Speaker 3: then I think you and I both saw Game two 60 00:02:52,600 --> 00:02:55,600 Speaker 3: and it was back to I think what everyone expected, right, Okay, 61 00:02:55,639 --> 00:02:56,760 Speaker 3: season much better team. 62 00:02:56,880 --> 00:02:59,720 Speaker 4: So it's it's a fun series going into it. I 63 00:02:59,720 --> 00:03:03,040 Speaker 4: really I had no real hope. 64 00:03:02,639 --> 00:03:05,480 Speaker 3: For you know, what the Pacers could do, but that 65 00:03:05,560 --> 00:03:06,920 Speaker 3: Game one gave me a little bit of hope. And 66 00:03:06,919 --> 00:03:08,519 Speaker 3: now it's like, all right, we have to watch game 67 00:03:08,560 --> 00:03:11,679 Speaker 3: three and four now because two two, that's a real 68 00:03:11,680 --> 00:03:13,280 Speaker 3: series if they can steal one of these games here. 69 00:03:13,400 --> 00:03:16,680 Speaker 3: So I'm really loving what Dan Bay is doing with 70 00:03:16,760 --> 00:03:17,919 Speaker 3: these small market teams. 71 00:03:18,000 --> 00:03:21,960 Speaker 1: Chad Well, I disagree. I think there's no hope. I 72 00:03:22,040 --> 00:03:28,280 Speaker 1: was explaining Matt Moore, welcome back. In, give us your game, 73 00:03:28,320 --> 00:03:31,120 Speaker 1: one game to take before we get into where we 74 00:03:31,120 --> 00:03:31,639 Speaker 1: think it's going. 75 00:03:32,320 --> 00:03:35,640 Speaker 5: Yeah, incredible job by the Pacers to hang in there, 76 00:03:35,680 --> 00:03:37,960 Speaker 5: and you could kind of sense it. I love it 77 00:03:38,000 --> 00:03:40,160 Speaker 5: when you can sense it in the building even through 78 00:03:40,160 --> 00:03:42,520 Speaker 5: the television that you're like that. You can tell the 79 00:03:42,560 --> 00:03:44,960 Speaker 5: thunder fans were like, why aren't we up? More like eh, 80 00:03:45,120 --> 00:03:48,280 Speaker 5: and they scored it's eleven. Why aren't they up by twenty? 81 00:03:49,280 --> 00:03:51,800 Speaker 5: The Pacers we had a really good discussion about this. 82 00:03:51,840 --> 00:03:55,360 Speaker 5: He actually on buckets. If you create turnovers but you 83 00:03:55,480 --> 00:03:58,600 Speaker 5: don't score on them, that mitigates a lot of the 84 00:03:58,680 --> 00:04:01,600 Speaker 5: advantage that Okay to create because their half court offense 85 00:04:01,680 --> 00:04:05,200 Speaker 5: is not stellar. It's good, it's just not like elite level, 86 00:04:05,680 --> 00:04:07,520 Speaker 5: and so they need these points off of turnovers. And 87 00:04:07,560 --> 00:04:09,280 Speaker 5: what the Pacers have done the first two games is 88 00:04:09,280 --> 00:04:11,080 Speaker 5: they've been like, no, we're gonna turn the ball over, 89 00:04:11,160 --> 00:04:13,880 Speaker 5: but you're not scoring on them. So we turn the 90 00:04:13,880 --> 00:04:16,280 Speaker 5: ball over and don't score, you don't score on the 91 00:04:16,680 --> 00:04:21,120 Speaker 5: on the subsequent possession, and it's just zero zero, little reset. Now, 92 00:04:21,160 --> 00:04:22,960 Speaker 5: over the course of a series, it's probably not gonna 93 00:04:23,000 --> 00:04:24,640 Speaker 5: go well. And that's something that Indie's gotta get better 94 00:04:24,680 --> 00:04:27,359 Speaker 5: at Halburdon. I described you on the show as like 95 00:04:27,400 --> 00:04:30,760 Speaker 5: the man carries his equipment in a wheelbarrow, just like 96 00:04:31,040 --> 00:04:33,520 Speaker 5: has to carry that in an industrial grade not one 97 00:04:33,520 --> 00:04:36,000 Speaker 5: of the ones that you get it like at not 98 00:04:36,080 --> 00:04:37,840 Speaker 5: like a lerinkiek one you pick up at Walmart. You 99 00:04:37,880 --> 00:04:40,840 Speaker 5: get industrial grade to carry around that man's equipment because 100 00:04:40,839 --> 00:04:43,039 Speaker 5: it's insane what he's able to do in these clutch 101 00:04:43,040 --> 00:04:45,440 Speaker 5: time situations. This is literally the best clutch run we've 102 00:04:45,440 --> 00:04:45,880 Speaker 5: ever seen. 103 00:04:46,200 --> 00:04:46,440 Speaker 4: Ever. 104 00:04:46,680 --> 00:04:48,560 Speaker 5: Nobody's ever hit more clutch shots. 105 00:04:49,080 --> 00:04:49,279 Speaker 4: Right. 106 00:04:49,480 --> 00:04:57,800 Speaker 1: Uh? Can we just say, did you say sub sweet subsequent? 107 00:04:58,760 --> 00:05:02,760 Speaker 5: Sub did it again? I did it again? Brandon Anderson 108 00:05:02,800 --> 00:05:04,120 Speaker 5: called me out on this. He was like, that's how 109 00:05:04,160 --> 00:05:07,320 Speaker 5: you say subsequent and I was like, oh, I said, quint, 110 00:05:07,760 --> 00:05:09,760 Speaker 5: I always thought that it was. I'd always thought that 111 00:05:09,800 --> 00:05:11,680 Speaker 5: was one of those words that you can pronounce either way. 112 00:05:11,760 --> 00:05:14,160 Speaker 5: And then I was like, no, I'll look it up, Brandon. 113 00:05:13,839 --> 00:05:19,240 Speaker 1: And it's not tomato tomorrow, potato subsequent, it's subsequent. 114 00:05:21,760 --> 00:05:22,120 Speaker 4: All right. 115 00:05:22,160 --> 00:05:25,640 Speaker 1: So my take on all this Game one to Game 116 00:05:25,680 --> 00:05:28,839 Speaker 1: two is that we saw. 117 00:05:30,600 --> 00:05:31,520 Speaker 2: The real. 118 00:05:33,480 --> 00:05:40,000 Speaker 1: Future when Oklahoma City demolished the Pacers in Game two 119 00:05:40,520 --> 00:05:44,119 Speaker 1: and they didn't let them come back, Like I tried 120 00:05:44,160 --> 00:05:44,760 Speaker 1: to stay up. 121 00:05:45,320 --> 00:05:46,760 Speaker 2: I wanted to be there for the end. 122 00:05:47,440 --> 00:05:50,920 Speaker 1: I looked at and thought, this is what it looks 123 00:05:51,040 --> 00:05:54,640 Speaker 1: like without the miracle, and I think we got a miracle. 124 00:05:55,760 --> 00:05:56,479 Speaker 2: Thunder and five. 125 00:05:57,760 --> 00:05:58,240 Speaker 4: I hear you. 126 00:05:58,640 --> 00:06:01,560 Speaker 5: This is the problem, Okase, he's zero to seven on 127 00:06:01,600 --> 00:06:04,919 Speaker 5: the road ats in these playoffs, like they are not 128 00:06:05,200 --> 00:06:08,080 Speaker 5: great on the road against the spread. Now, they could 129 00:06:08,080 --> 00:06:09,600 Speaker 5: still win this game, right, so they can still get 130 00:06:09,640 --> 00:06:11,600 Speaker 5: to the thunder and five. I'm hoping that you're right, 131 00:06:11,640 --> 00:06:14,040 Speaker 5: because that's what I bet and originally was thunder mines 132 00:06:14,080 --> 00:06:16,039 Speaker 5: two and a half. And we're down to just thunder 133 00:06:16,080 --> 00:06:18,560 Speaker 5: and five to win that bet. The issue is that 134 00:06:18,640 --> 00:06:20,680 Speaker 5: I find a lot of the things from game two 135 00:06:20,800 --> 00:06:23,400 Speaker 5: second half, so like here's one they outscored him in 136 00:06:23,400 --> 00:06:25,159 Speaker 5: the second half of that game. Oh but there's garbage 137 00:06:25,200 --> 00:06:27,000 Speaker 5: time take out the last two minutes and it was 138 00:06:27,000 --> 00:06:29,960 Speaker 5: fifty nine to fifty nine the second half of that game. 139 00:06:30,360 --> 00:06:33,560 Speaker 5: Pacers had a one to thirty five offensive rating. That's 140 00:06:33,560 --> 00:06:38,320 Speaker 5: not thunder formula. Here Thunder shooters lou Dort shooting nineteen 141 00:06:38,440 --> 00:06:41,719 Speaker 5: percent on the road in the playoffs, Like this Thunder 142 00:06:41,720 --> 00:06:45,000 Speaker 5: team is a true deform role players shoot better at home, 143 00:06:45,040 --> 00:06:48,440 Speaker 5: shoot worse on the road. Squad, That building for Game 144 00:06:48,600 --> 00:06:51,960 Speaker 5: three is gonna be ballistic. First Finals game in twenty 145 00:06:51,960 --> 00:06:55,160 Speaker 5: five years basketball crazy state, even though they've had one 146 00:06:55,160 --> 00:06:57,600 Speaker 5: of the worst attendance rates in the NBA over the 147 00:06:57,680 --> 00:07:01,919 Speaker 5: last decade. That's gonna be absolutely a crazy environment. And 148 00:07:01,960 --> 00:07:05,159 Speaker 5: it's a really big situation. I think it's probably close, 149 00:07:05,240 --> 00:07:06,680 Speaker 5: But I do think that the Pacers are in a 150 00:07:06,720 --> 00:07:08,880 Speaker 5: really good spot here, and especially with this being Thunder 151 00:07:08,960 --> 00:07:11,720 Speaker 5: minus five and a half market, like, I have a 152 00:07:11,760 --> 00:07:13,400 Speaker 5: hard time getting to a spot where I want to 153 00:07:13,400 --> 00:07:16,560 Speaker 5: bet Okac even to cover less than two possessions, given 154 00:07:16,600 --> 00:07:19,840 Speaker 5: their history of how they've been on the road, why 155 00:07:19,880 --> 00:07:22,240 Speaker 5: they haven't been as good on the road ats, and 156 00:07:22,280 --> 00:07:24,920 Speaker 5: how indieman. The spot for Indie here I think is 157 00:07:24,960 --> 00:07:25,840 Speaker 5: really good. 158 00:07:26,080 --> 00:07:29,720 Speaker 2: Well, right now, you mentioned the series prices. The prices are. 159 00:07:30,240 --> 00:07:35,840 Speaker 1: The Thunder plus two ninety to win the series four 160 00:07:35,840 --> 00:07:38,400 Speaker 1: to two, plus two ninety to win the series four 161 00:07:38,400 --> 00:07:42,520 Speaker 1: to three. The Pacers numbers are obviously higher, We're talking 162 00:07:42,640 --> 00:07:47,240 Speaker 1: much bigger numbers, but plus sixteen hundred to win the 163 00:07:47,280 --> 00:07:54,440 Speaker 1: series four to one. It's interesting to me you talk 164 00:07:54,480 --> 00:08:00,480 Speaker 1: about the Pacers as a home team in a basketball 165 00:08:00,600 --> 00:08:01,240 Speaker 1: mad state. 166 00:08:02,640 --> 00:08:05,320 Speaker 2: The Pacers have never mattered in Indiana. 167 00:08:06,240 --> 00:08:09,880 Speaker 1: You know, they had Reggie Miller, kind of interesting when 168 00:08:09,880 --> 00:08:13,200 Speaker 1: they were playing the Knicks. They made that finals, but 169 00:08:13,240 --> 00:08:16,480 Speaker 1: they've never been a team anyone in Indiana talks about. 170 00:08:16,720 --> 00:08:21,360 Speaker 1: And they've always had a magnificent stadium. That Fieldhouse is 171 00:08:21,840 --> 00:08:25,520 Speaker 1: a great place to watch a game. This team feels 172 00:08:25,560 --> 00:08:28,200 Speaker 1: like it has something a little bit different that is sustainable, 173 00:08:28,600 --> 00:08:31,400 Speaker 1: that has energy, that it has a personality, that has 174 00:08:31,400 --> 00:08:35,440 Speaker 1: a style of play that people can latch onto. It's 175 00:08:35,440 --> 00:08:39,679 Speaker 1: not just a sort of, for lack of a better term, 176 00:08:40,040 --> 00:08:44,760 Speaker 1: NFC South or AFC South team, Matt Moore, do you 177 00:08:44,880 --> 00:08:48,280 Speaker 1: sense that amongst the NBA denizens right now? 178 00:08:48,600 --> 00:08:50,480 Speaker 5: I was just about to say this is an AFC 179 00:08:50,520 --> 00:08:54,400 Speaker 5: South ass take from you, Chad, the perennial South hater 180 00:08:54,559 --> 00:08:58,600 Speaker 5: of professional sports. You know, I think I think those 181 00:08:58,640 --> 00:09:00,760 Speaker 5: crowds in the in the mid nineties at the Attendants data, 182 00:09:00,800 --> 00:09:01,920 Speaker 5: but I think they were really great. I think they 183 00:09:01,920 --> 00:09:04,760 Speaker 5: believed him in the mid two thousands with the our 184 00:09:04,880 --> 00:09:07,599 Speaker 5: test team with Ermaine O'Neil before the brawl right of 185 00:09:07,760 --> 00:09:10,840 Speaker 5: the Malice. I think that Indiana, because they've got it 186 00:09:10,920 --> 00:09:12,439 Speaker 5: one of the problems is when you've got a history 187 00:09:12,440 --> 00:09:15,800 Speaker 5: of winning in a certain sport, like Indiana's basketball program has, 188 00:09:16,480 --> 00:09:20,440 Speaker 5: then you've got a different standard for success. And Denver's 189 00:09:20,480 --> 00:09:23,320 Speaker 5: like this, I think with football, where because the college 190 00:09:23,360 --> 00:09:25,559 Speaker 5: sports have never really been relevant on any sort of 191 00:09:25,600 --> 00:09:29,040 Speaker 5: significant scale because they haven't won at a significant level. 192 00:09:29,120 --> 00:09:32,080 Speaker 5: It's it really is compared to the Broncos. Like Broncos 193 00:09:32,080 --> 00:09:35,160 Speaker 5: have all these championships, and you win, and will pay 194 00:09:35,160 --> 00:09:37,680 Speaker 5: attention to you. That's how you know Pro basketball was too. 195 00:09:38,000 --> 00:09:39,800 Speaker 5: It was We're not gonna pay attention to the Nuggets 196 00:09:39,880 --> 00:09:42,160 Speaker 5: until they win. Then they won, and now the crowds 197 00:09:42,160 --> 00:09:44,320 Speaker 5: are really good. And that's true for most places, but 198 00:09:44,360 --> 00:09:46,199 Speaker 5: these true small markets. I think you're right that there's 199 00:09:46,200 --> 00:09:49,520 Speaker 5: a difference between like Okac Okac, when they have bad teams, 200 00:09:49,520 --> 00:09:51,480 Speaker 5: their crowds still gonna be great. Portland, when they have 201 00:09:51,559 --> 00:09:54,640 Speaker 5: bad teams, crowds still great. Indiana, though, I think does 202 00:09:54,640 --> 00:09:56,560 Speaker 5: sense that there's something different about this team. This is 203 00:09:56,600 --> 00:09:59,360 Speaker 5: maybe the most fun run that we've seen an NBA 204 00:09:59,440 --> 00:10:02,200 Speaker 5: playoff hit. I have a hard time thinking back to 205 00:10:02,240 --> 00:10:05,120 Speaker 5: a team that was more fun than this one when 206 00:10:05,160 --> 00:10:08,360 Speaker 5: you count the way that they play, the comebacks, and 207 00:10:08,480 --> 00:10:10,080 Speaker 5: all the ways that they've been able to do this, 208 00:10:10,200 --> 00:10:12,280 Speaker 5: I think it does add up to something where and 209 00:10:12,440 --> 00:10:14,560 Speaker 5: it doesn't seem like the windows closing. It's not a 210 00:10:14,600 --> 00:10:16,280 Speaker 5: one year deal, because you would have thought that last 211 00:10:16,360 --> 00:10:18,520 Speaker 5: year they made the conference finals, Okay, they'll come back 212 00:10:18,559 --> 00:10:21,520 Speaker 5: to earth a little bit, and instead they got better 213 00:10:21,520 --> 00:10:23,439 Speaker 5: and made the finals this year. And even if it 214 00:10:23,720 --> 00:10:27,560 Speaker 5: did take a certain series of events, it still shows 215 00:10:27,559 --> 00:10:30,079 Speaker 5: that they're good enough to deliver when these games get tight, 216 00:10:30,280 --> 00:10:31,920 Speaker 5: and that they're made for this, and I think that's 217 00:10:31,960 --> 00:10:36,240 Speaker 5: really important in the enthusiasm I think that is building 218 00:10:36,320 --> 00:10:37,320 Speaker 5: around this Pacer squad. 219 00:10:39,360 --> 00:10:41,480 Speaker 2: So what are we doing now? Are we for one? 220 00:10:42,160 --> 00:10:45,760 Speaker 2: Are we four to two? What is your take on 221 00:10:45,840 --> 00:10:46,760 Speaker 2: how this plays out? 222 00:10:47,280 --> 00:10:47,480 Speaker 4: Yeah? 223 00:10:47,520 --> 00:10:49,320 Speaker 5: I bet Pacers or I bet Thunder four to two 224 00:10:49,600 --> 00:10:52,679 Speaker 5: yesterday plus two ninety I still make the Thunder likely 225 00:10:52,720 --> 00:10:55,880 Speaker 5: to win this series. Game series script to me feels okay, 226 00:10:55,920 --> 00:10:59,280 Speaker 5: they stole the one that instantly takes the ability for 227 00:10:59,320 --> 00:11:02,040 Speaker 5: the four to one. It's gonna be really difficult. I 228 00:11:02,120 --> 00:11:04,440 Speaker 5: just do not have a lot of faith in Okase, 229 00:11:04,760 --> 00:11:06,760 Speaker 5: given how I've seen them up close and personal on 230 00:11:06,800 --> 00:11:08,840 Speaker 5: the road in these playoffs, to take both of them 231 00:11:09,160 --> 00:11:10,600 Speaker 5: one of them will be close enough to where it's 232 00:11:10,600 --> 00:11:12,640 Speaker 5: at least a coin flip. I do not think that 233 00:11:12,720 --> 00:11:14,800 Speaker 5: Indies getting both at home. I do not think the 234 00:11:14,840 --> 00:11:18,079 Speaker 5: Thunder are getting both at home. I'm gonna play Pacers 235 00:11:18,080 --> 00:11:20,280 Speaker 5: money line game one. If it loses, I'll be back 236 00:11:20,320 --> 00:11:22,120 Speaker 5: on him in game two. I think whoever loses Game 237 00:11:22,160 --> 00:11:24,559 Speaker 5: two is gonna be a great spot to play, or 238 00:11:24,640 --> 00:11:26,520 Speaker 5: whoever loses Game three is a great spot to play 239 00:11:26,559 --> 00:11:29,079 Speaker 5: in game four. Thunder are gonna win Game five by 240 00:11:29,440 --> 00:11:32,319 Speaker 5: by margin. I'll be on alts all over the place 241 00:11:32,400 --> 00:11:35,560 Speaker 5: for Thunder Game five, regardless of series script, unless there's 242 00:11:35,559 --> 00:11:38,400 Speaker 5: an injury or a black Swan event. If Thunder win 243 00:11:38,520 --> 00:11:41,800 Speaker 5: Game three, I'm still on thundering Game five by probably 244 00:11:41,800 --> 00:11:43,920 Speaker 5: twenty or more. If they win game four, I'm on 245 00:11:43,960 --> 00:11:46,440 Speaker 5: them in Thunder Game five and by twenty or more. 246 00:11:46,800 --> 00:11:48,680 Speaker 5: PACER's Game six is gonna be a tough one. This 247 00:11:48,720 --> 00:11:50,440 Speaker 5: isnt the same as I think the Denver spot. I 248 00:11:50,440 --> 00:11:52,560 Speaker 5: think that the OKC might be in a better position 249 00:11:52,640 --> 00:11:54,840 Speaker 5: to finish it on the road in game six, and 250 00:11:54,880 --> 00:11:58,760 Speaker 5: they wear versus Denver in that series, you're gonna see. 251 00:11:58,760 --> 00:12:00,160 Speaker 5: I think a lot of adjustments. One of things I'm 252 00:12:00,200 --> 00:12:03,439 Speaker 5: really curious about is how my many adjustments does Carlisle 253 00:12:03,520 --> 00:12:06,360 Speaker 5: throw at them in this game? In game three, because 254 00:12:06,440 --> 00:12:09,160 Speaker 5: he's kept the zone very close to the vest, they 255 00:12:09,160 --> 00:12:11,559 Speaker 5: made some offensive adjustments, but they haven't done a lot 256 00:12:11,720 --> 00:12:15,320 Speaker 5: they Carlisle's script in game two was, Hey, let's try 257 00:12:15,360 --> 00:12:18,839 Speaker 5: and win, but we're not gonna show them the cards here. 258 00:12:19,320 --> 00:12:21,160 Speaker 5: I'm not playing him until I have to. We got 259 00:12:21,200 --> 00:12:23,560 Speaker 5: the one I needed to be able to stretch this out. 260 00:12:23,800 --> 00:12:26,800 Speaker 5: So the question is, like, do you rely on momentum, 261 00:12:27,040 --> 00:12:29,320 Speaker 5: home crowd better shooting in game three or do you 262 00:12:29,320 --> 00:12:31,160 Speaker 5: feel like you need to pull out the tricks, the 263 00:12:31,200 --> 00:12:32,880 Speaker 5: bells and whistles to get game three because you use 264 00:12:32,920 --> 00:12:34,880 Speaker 5: them in game three. Now they're on the table for 265 00:12:34,960 --> 00:12:37,360 Speaker 5: OKC to adjust to in game four. Your ideal would 266 00:12:37,400 --> 00:12:41,720 Speaker 5: be use momentum, energy, effort, home crowd shooting, get game three, 267 00:12:42,080 --> 00:12:44,320 Speaker 5: then throw the kitchen sink at him in game four. 268 00:12:44,720 --> 00:12:46,800 Speaker 5: That's like the script for Indie. But I still don't 269 00:12:46,800 --> 00:12:48,680 Speaker 5: think that's gonna be good enough for them to get both. 270 00:12:48,920 --> 00:12:50,680 Speaker 5: I still think the thunder and six is our most 271 00:12:50,720 --> 00:12:52,559 Speaker 5: likely outcome here after they stole game one. 272 00:12:53,400 --> 00:12:55,960 Speaker 3: Oh, we miss an opportunity here, like this is what 273 00:12:56,040 --> 00:12:58,840 Speaker 3: we live for. This team we just talked about, they've 274 00:12:58,880 --> 00:13:00,679 Speaker 3: done something in this pace of team that's never been 275 00:13:00,679 --> 00:13:04,040 Speaker 3: done before. Like they are incredibly clutch. I feel like 276 00:13:04,080 --> 00:13:05,640 Speaker 3: if this was another sport, mean you would have a 277 00:13:05,640 --> 00:13:08,079 Speaker 3: better view on it. With basketball, we're just so used 278 00:13:08,120 --> 00:13:11,360 Speaker 3: to the favorites always coming through, right, the better teams 279 00:13:11,840 --> 00:13:14,200 Speaker 3: with the better player usually win. 280 00:13:14,840 --> 00:13:16,199 Speaker 4: But this is the rare opportunity. 281 00:13:16,200 --> 00:13:18,480 Speaker 3: She feels like, Chad, this isn't Golden State or those 282 00:13:18,600 --> 00:13:23,040 Speaker 3: lebron teams. This is a very young team, first time 283 00:13:23,160 --> 00:13:25,400 Speaker 3: doing it. You know, they don't have a joker on 284 00:13:25,440 --> 00:13:25,760 Speaker 3: this team. 285 00:13:25,800 --> 00:13:26,000 Speaker 4: I know. 286 00:13:26,480 --> 00:13:28,240 Speaker 3: You know we can say they have the MVP of 287 00:13:28,240 --> 00:13:31,000 Speaker 3: the league. Yes we know that, but it's it just 288 00:13:31,040 --> 00:13:33,760 Speaker 3: feels different. Where like the Pacers, I was looking for 289 00:13:33,840 --> 00:13:35,560 Speaker 3: a reason I take them, and that game one was 290 00:13:35,600 --> 00:13:38,600 Speaker 3: so exactly what I was looking forward. It's like they 291 00:13:38,960 --> 00:13:41,480 Speaker 3: know they're not better, they know they don't have the 292 00:13:41,559 --> 00:13:45,480 Speaker 3: guys that this OKAC team does, but they have this 293 00:13:45,920 --> 00:13:47,240 Speaker 3: unique ability to believe that. 294 00:13:47,280 --> 00:13:47,640 Speaker 4: The j R. 295 00:13:47,760 --> 00:13:50,400 Speaker 3: Smith they think they're all the best shooters in the world, 296 00:13:50,400 --> 00:13:52,720 Speaker 3: and they really believe it whether they are they aren't, 297 00:13:52,720 --> 00:13:54,480 Speaker 3: And I love it. We like that confidence in that 298 00:13:54,520 --> 00:13:57,120 Speaker 3: final two to three minutes, like like Matt said, you 299 00:13:57,160 --> 00:14:00,160 Speaker 3: could feel through the TV right the thunder got so 300 00:14:00,400 --> 00:14:03,560 Speaker 3: tight and they didn't have a Kobe, a Steph Curry 301 00:14:03,920 --> 00:14:06,040 Speaker 3: someone to bail them out take a shot to get 302 00:14:06,040 --> 00:14:09,240 Speaker 3: two points. And that's what like we're talking here, is 303 00:14:09,280 --> 00:14:11,680 Speaker 3: that if they steal another one here, if they do 304 00:14:11,760 --> 00:14:16,280 Speaker 3: steal game three, that pressure on okay See in game four, 305 00:14:17,080 --> 00:14:17,800 Speaker 3: I mean, I. 306 00:14:17,720 --> 00:14:18,640 Speaker 4: Can't even imagine it. 307 00:14:18,679 --> 00:14:21,000 Speaker 3: I can't imagine them sitting there with that type of 308 00:14:21,000 --> 00:14:23,840 Speaker 3: pressure where you know they're down now two to one 309 00:14:24,120 --> 00:14:26,840 Speaker 3: on the road in an environment that Matt just. 310 00:14:26,840 --> 00:14:29,360 Speaker 4: Told us they've struggled on the road, Chad. So, I 311 00:14:29,360 --> 00:14:29,600 Speaker 4: don't know. 312 00:14:29,640 --> 00:14:31,280 Speaker 3: I feels like we're overlooking it. Are we just are 313 00:14:31,280 --> 00:14:33,960 Speaker 3: we missing it here? Should we be taking the Pacers? 314 00:14:34,040 --> 00:14:36,120 Speaker 3: Is this are we overlooking? Or is what we just 315 00:14:36,120 --> 00:14:39,120 Speaker 3: talked about like game two? Is that what this series 316 00:14:39,200 --> 00:14:42,480 Speaker 3: is like? Is okay See really that much better? Pacers 317 00:14:42,480 --> 00:14:43,840 Speaker 3: simply got lucky in game one. 318 00:14:43,920 --> 00:14:44,880 Speaker 4: It was a bit of a fluke. 319 00:14:45,000 --> 00:14:47,480 Speaker 3: So I'm I don't know what they do in this 320 00:14:47,520 --> 00:14:50,240 Speaker 3: game one a Game three here, I'm tempted to just 321 00:14:50,360 --> 00:14:52,480 Speaker 3: bet Pacers money line. It feels like a nice spot 322 00:14:52,520 --> 00:14:55,680 Speaker 3: for them to bounce back. And I feel like another 323 00:14:55,720 --> 00:14:58,400 Speaker 3: thing Matt talked about that second half in that Game two, 324 00:14:59,360 --> 00:15:01,640 Speaker 3: that's the Pacer team I expect to see, which is 325 00:15:01,640 --> 00:15:05,240 Speaker 3: a very, very smart with the ball, high flying offense 326 00:15:05,280 --> 00:15:06,200 Speaker 3: that scores buckets. 327 00:15:06,200 --> 00:15:08,440 Speaker 4: So I don't know, it feels interesting. We're already leaving 328 00:15:08,440 --> 00:15:10,880 Speaker 4: them for dead here where It's like, I don't know, 329 00:15:11,080 --> 00:15:13,240 Speaker 4: this feels like a seven to sixth type of series. 330 00:15:13,280 --> 00:15:15,600 Speaker 3: So I'm gonna take that four to two bet with okay, 331 00:15:15,600 --> 00:15:17,920 Speaker 3: see with you, Matt, But I'm also gonna throw a 332 00:15:17,920 --> 00:15:20,080 Speaker 3: four to three bet on the Pacers at you know, 333 00:15:20,320 --> 00:15:22,080 Speaker 3: last time I checked it was crazy, guys. It might 334 00:15:22,120 --> 00:15:24,640 Speaker 3: have been ten to one, so it might have come down, 335 00:15:24,680 --> 00:15:27,080 Speaker 3: but still, I mean, we're talking ten to one here 336 00:15:27,080 --> 00:15:27,640 Speaker 3: on Pacers. 337 00:15:27,680 --> 00:15:29,080 Speaker 4: So yeah, I'm with you, guys. 338 00:15:29,080 --> 00:15:32,080 Speaker 3: I'm trying to play the series price and it does 339 00:15:32,160 --> 00:15:34,760 Speaker 3: feel like a four to two okay, see, but I 340 00:15:34,840 --> 00:15:35,840 Speaker 3: see there's a window. 341 00:15:35,960 --> 00:15:37,520 Speaker 4: I think Matt Moore sees what I'm seeing here. 342 00:15:37,520 --> 00:15:40,360 Speaker 3: There's a window for a four to three Pacers Game 343 00:15:40,400 --> 00:15:44,000 Speaker 3: seven win. It just we're so due. When's the last 344 00:15:44,040 --> 00:15:45,680 Speaker 3: when's the last one we had? Matt Moore was it 345 00:15:45,760 --> 00:15:47,280 Speaker 3: Mavericks over the heat. 346 00:15:47,400 --> 00:15:49,080 Speaker 4: Was that the last big upset we had. 347 00:15:49,400 --> 00:15:52,520 Speaker 5: Cavs twenty sixteen had to be was the was the 348 00:15:52,520 --> 00:15:55,200 Speaker 5: big one Warriors was technically one in twenty twenty two. 349 00:15:55,560 --> 00:15:58,120 Speaker 5: You guys were dead on in that series. I came 350 00:15:58,160 --> 00:16:00,840 Speaker 5: on after talking to Brandon Anderson was like, it's Celtics, 351 00:16:00,840 --> 00:16:02,640 Speaker 5: They're way better, They're gonna win this series. And you 352 00:16:02,680 --> 00:16:06,240 Speaker 5: both were like, it's Steph Curry and the Warriors, Man, 353 00:16:06,280 --> 00:16:08,280 Speaker 5: what are you doing? And you were absolutely right on 354 00:16:08,320 --> 00:16:08,720 Speaker 5: that one. 355 00:16:08,880 --> 00:16:09,640 Speaker 4: But that was the same thing. 356 00:16:09,680 --> 00:16:12,960 Speaker 3: The first time Celtics have really gotten there and the 357 00:16:13,040 --> 00:16:16,040 Speaker 3: lights were very bright. That's just my biggest pause, Like 358 00:16:16,040 --> 00:16:17,880 Speaker 3: there's just something about the Pacers team. They seem like, 359 00:16:17,920 --> 00:16:19,920 Speaker 3: even though they're not that much more of a veteran team, 360 00:16:20,480 --> 00:16:22,080 Speaker 3: they just feel like they have a different type of 361 00:16:22,120 --> 00:16:24,280 Speaker 3: confidence when it's tight at the end of these games 362 00:16:24,640 --> 00:16:27,280 Speaker 3: than this Thunder team does. So I'm just I'm trying 363 00:16:27,280 --> 00:16:29,680 Speaker 3: to find some a little opening chat. This is what 364 00:16:29,720 --> 00:16:32,680 Speaker 3: professional betters do. We see cracks, We feel like history 365 00:16:32,680 --> 00:16:35,760 Speaker 3: repeats itself, and I don't know the way this series 366 00:16:35,760 --> 00:16:39,800 Speaker 3: has already gone started. It's like, okay, see has opened 367 00:16:39,840 --> 00:16:41,720 Speaker 3: the door for the Spacer's team. If it was two oh, 368 00:16:41,840 --> 00:16:43,560 Speaker 3: I'd have a totally different tuneyear. They would have a 369 00:16:43,560 --> 00:16:46,840 Speaker 3: ton of confidence heading into this game against the Spacers team. 370 00:16:46,880 --> 00:16:49,120 Speaker 3: But the fact that it's one to one, I don't know, 371 00:16:49,200 --> 00:16:51,240 Speaker 3: it feels like we're overlooking the Spacers team, where it's 372 00:16:51,320 --> 00:16:53,680 Speaker 3: like these are the exact type of dogs we love 373 00:16:53,880 --> 00:16:56,880 Speaker 3: to bet chat. So I'm just it's interesting to see 374 00:16:56,960 --> 00:17:00,320 Speaker 3: how much you're just fuck these guys. Okay, seem on 375 00:17:00,360 --> 00:17:02,880 Speaker 3: it that's the team I want to back. So I'm 376 00:17:02,880 --> 00:17:04,280 Speaker 3: just I'm shocked by your position. 377 00:17:04,720 --> 00:17:05,080 Speaker 5: I guess. 378 00:17:05,080 --> 00:17:09,760 Speaker 1: I'm just I'm a little bit swayed by looking at 379 00:17:09,760 --> 00:17:12,480 Speaker 1: this as and look, I was looking at this the 380 00:17:12,520 --> 00:17:14,320 Speaker 1: same way when the Celtics played the next and I 381 00:17:14,359 --> 00:17:18,639 Speaker 1: was dead wrong, which was if not for the Celtics 382 00:17:18,680 --> 00:17:22,000 Speaker 1: missing two or three three pointers in games won in 383 00:17:22,080 --> 00:17:25,800 Speaker 1: games in Game one, in Game two, then they're up 384 00:17:25,920 --> 00:17:29,560 Speaker 1: three to zero in that series, and we're not talking 385 00:17:29,640 --> 00:17:32,840 Speaker 1: about the Knicks as cardiac kids and finding ways to 386 00:17:32,880 --> 00:17:37,320 Speaker 1: come back from twenty points down in multiple games, because 387 00:17:37,359 --> 00:17:41,959 Speaker 1: the Celtics were clearly the better team. So the Thunder 388 00:17:41,960 --> 00:17:45,960 Speaker 1: are clearly the better team. They've got more talent, they've 389 00:17:46,000 --> 00:17:49,760 Speaker 1: got more aggressive, longer players on defense. 390 00:17:50,359 --> 00:17:51,320 Speaker 2: I love the Pacers. 391 00:17:51,359 --> 00:17:56,000 Speaker 1: We've been saying all postseason the Pacers floor is so 392 00:17:56,160 --> 00:18:00,480 Speaker 1: high because the basketball IQ for that team is so 393 00:18:00,000 --> 00:18:05,800 Speaker 1: so high. Nemhardnee Smith. Even Obi Topping when he comes in, 394 00:18:06,040 --> 00:18:08,399 Speaker 1: like is playing above and beyond. I think what anyone 395 00:18:08,440 --> 00:18:13,439 Speaker 1: thought he'd be playing at McConnell. You know, obviously Halliburton, 396 00:18:13,960 --> 00:18:18,359 Speaker 1: like they're all great, but okay, see has players that 397 00:18:18,400 --> 00:18:23,760 Speaker 1: are equally great and IQ perspective, and then better from 398 00:18:23,840 --> 00:18:27,240 Speaker 1: a talent perspective, everyone they're bringing off the bench is 399 00:18:27,280 --> 00:18:29,120 Speaker 1: better than who the Pacers are bringing off the bench. 400 00:18:31,000 --> 00:18:33,440 Speaker 1: And so I'm just thinking, Okay, the Thunder had one 401 00:18:33,480 --> 00:18:38,159 Speaker 1: collapse in a game in which they're not used to 402 00:18:38,200 --> 00:18:40,600 Speaker 1: playing in a high pressure situation like that in Game 403 00:18:40,600 --> 00:18:42,800 Speaker 1: one of the Finals, and that's all the Pacers do, 404 00:18:42,920 --> 00:18:43,960 Speaker 1: so it played to their strength. 405 00:18:44,040 --> 00:18:46,040 Speaker 3: Memoir, would you call that a collapse or they did? 406 00:18:46,080 --> 00:18:48,600 Speaker 3: They simply get outplayed by the Pacers end of that game. 407 00:18:50,480 --> 00:18:52,760 Speaker 4: Because they had shots. It didn't feel like a collapse 408 00:18:52,760 --> 00:18:55,040 Speaker 4: where it's like, yeah, you know, they just hit shots 409 00:18:55,040 --> 00:18:56,720 Speaker 4: and then they got they just got tight, like okay, 410 00:18:56,720 --> 00:18:58,480 Speaker 4: so you just could not hit a shot even their 411 00:18:58,520 --> 00:18:59,119 Speaker 4: free throws. 412 00:19:00,000 --> 00:19:02,639 Speaker 5: This guy wasn't that like the knixt Game one was 413 00:19:02,640 --> 00:19:05,479 Speaker 5: a collapse, right, Yes, this felt more like the Pacers 414 00:19:05,560 --> 00:19:08,159 Speaker 5: kept it just within range and then they did absolutely 415 00:19:08,160 --> 00:19:11,320 Speaker 5: tighten up like Jalen Williams wide open three pointer off 416 00:19:11,320 --> 00:19:14,159 Speaker 5: of Shay's split in the double miss. Shae's got that 417 00:19:14,200 --> 00:19:15,920 Speaker 5: pull up now, Shaye, I think just missed a shot. 418 00:19:15,960 --> 00:19:17,879 Speaker 5: Like I think Shake and Shade probably hit that shot, 419 00:19:18,000 --> 00:19:19,480 Speaker 5: you know, eight out of ten times on that mid 420 00:19:19,560 --> 00:19:21,800 Speaker 5: range pull pull up like his he that that pull 421 00:19:21,880 --> 00:19:25,119 Speaker 5: up from him is money. But I do think that 422 00:19:25,200 --> 00:19:26,959 Speaker 5: this is one of the things I talked about. This 423 00:19:27,040 --> 00:19:30,280 Speaker 5: is the okay See advantage in this series. Is White 424 00:19:30,320 --> 00:19:33,360 Speaker 5: chat talked about they're better, but they're better because they're 425 00:19:33,400 --> 00:19:37,159 Speaker 5: so dominant in the margins and what Indy's done in 426 00:19:37,200 --> 00:19:39,480 Speaker 5: this series, and it actually the same thing is true 427 00:19:39,480 --> 00:19:42,000 Speaker 5: for Game one. In Game two, okay S's not killing 428 00:19:42,040 --> 00:19:44,960 Speaker 5: him in the margins. Okay S killed him in Game two. 429 00:19:44,960 --> 00:19:47,800 Speaker 5: In shot variants, Pacers shot fourteen to forty from three. 430 00:19:48,240 --> 00:19:51,920 Speaker 5: They're still getting up forty three pointers against Oka See. 431 00:19:51,960 --> 00:19:55,119 Speaker 5: And in Game two with the with the whole season 432 00:19:55,160 --> 00:20:00,359 Speaker 5: on the line for oka See, Indiana missed miss shots, 433 00:20:00,440 --> 00:20:03,600 Speaker 5: good contests, good defense, but missed a ton of threes, 434 00:20:04,040 --> 00:20:07,200 Speaker 5: miss good opportunities. And okay see, on the other hand, 435 00:20:07,240 --> 00:20:10,880 Speaker 5: got twenty points from Alex Caruso, Like that's a very 436 00:20:10,880 --> 00:20:13,320 Speaker 5: tough thing for them to do, especially on the road. 437 00:20:13,560 --> 00:20:16,879 Speaker 5: This is where it gets interesting because I agree with Chad, 438 00:20:16,920 --> 00:20:19,359 Speaker 5: like they are better and it's about the margin and 439 00:20:19,440 --> 00:20:22,760 Speaker 5: whether Indy can shrink that margin from the power rating 440 00:20:22,800 --> 00:20:25,880 Speaker 5: standpoint to where it's within range. Because once it gets 441 00:20:25,920 --> 00:20:28,960 Speaker 5: within range, now this is about can you make shots? 442 00:20:29,000 --> 00:20:32,600 Speaker 5: And that's Indy. Like, Indy's the better shooting team. They've 443 00:20:32,640 --> 00:20:34,600 Speaker 5: been the better shooting team in the regular season, in 444 00:20:34,640 --> 00:20:37,040 Speaker 5: the playoffs, in half court and in the series. Like, 445 00:20:37,080 --> 00:20:39,840 Speaker 5: they are a better shooting team, but they're gotta get 446 00:20:39,840 --> 00:20:41,639 Speaker 5: it within range for them to be able to do that. 447 00:20:41,680 --> 00:20:44,280 Speaker 5: And the question is gonna be can Carlisle and the 448 00:20:44,320 --> 00:20:47,879 Speaker 5: Holmes environment open it up, because I will say it's 449 00:20:47,960 --> 00:20:49,920 Speaker 5: it's hard to blow out Okay see, if you win, 450 00:20:50,000 --> 00:20:53,240 Speaker 5: you win close. But OKAC has not been able to 451 00:20:53,240 --> 00:20:56,240 Speaker 5: blow teams out on the road, which is where they're comfortable. 452 00:20:56,480 --> 00:20:58,360 Speaker 5: That's where they're comfortable they can win these close games. 453 00:20:58,400 --> 00:21:02,040 Speaker 5: They won Game four in ever close environment really proves 454 00:21:02,080 --> 00:21:04,560 Speaker 5: something they have learned from this. This isn't like a 455 00:21:04,560 --> 00:21:06,680 Speaker 5: team where it's like, yeah, I don't know, man, if 456 00:21:06,680 --> 00:21:08,520 Speaker 5: it gets tight, I think they're gonna Like the Celtics, 457 00:21:08,520 --> 00:21:10,080 Speaker 5: I think were much more like that the last couple 458 00:21:10,119 --> 00:21:12,359 Speaker 5: of years. They won the title last year because nobody 459 00:21:12,359 --> 00:21:15,000 Speaker 5: could threaten them. Okay, see, it's like they got a chance. 460 00:21:15,040 --> 00:21:17,000 Speaker 5: But once it gets in the variance mode because of 461 00:21:17,040 --> 00:21:19,640 Speaker 5: the number, there's a lot of value on Indiana, it's 462 00:21:19,680 --> 00:21:21,919 Speaker 5: just like, can they hang on to be in that 463 00:21:21,960 --> 00:21:26,400 Speaker 5: position for the shop variants to come through for them? 464 00:21:26,440 --> 00:21:31,160 Speaker 1: You mentioned uh Carlisle earlier in the show. He's like, Yeah, 465 00:21:31,160 --> 00:21:33,000 Speaker 1: we knew we weren't going to win that game, And 466 00:21:33,040 --> 00:21:35,240 Speaker 1: I feel like that happens more often in the NBA 467 00:21:35,359 --> 00:21:39,240 Speaker 1: than any other sport. Yep, they know going in like 468 00:21:39,280 --> 00:21:42,880 Speaker 1: they're gonna compete, But do you think there is actually 469 00:21:42,960 --> 00:21:47,879 Speaker 1: something the players pull back, the coaches change strategy, Like 470 00:21:48,240 --> 00:21:50,119 Speaker 1: what does that mean they know they're not going to 471 00:21:50,200 --> 00:21:52,200 Speaker 1: win the game, and why wouldn't they try to win 472 00:21:52,240 --> 00:21:52,560 Speaker 1: the game. 473 00:21:52,920 --> 00:21:55,320 Speaker 5: So every series, he's got a rhythm and flow to it. Rix' 474 00:21:55,359 --> 00:21:57,000 Speaker 5: been in so many of these to understand it and 475 00:21:57,040 --> 00:21:59,080 Speaker 5: Now what's been amazing is a lot of the ways 476 00:21:59,080 --> 00:22:01,199 Speaker 5: to kind of see how much are they adjusting? And 477 00:22:01,240 --> 00:22:03,000 Speaker 5: what you do is you look at things like have 478 00:22:03,080 --> 00:22:05,800 Speaker 5: they changed their matchups, have they changed their rotation? Did 479 00:22:05,800 --> 00:22:08,680 Speaker 5: they tighten the rotation? Is one guy completely out? Do 480 00:22:08,800 --> 00:22:11,400 Speaker 5: they shift this around? How much have they shifted their 481 00:22:11,440 --> 00:22:14,560 Speaker 5: game plan going in from the previous game into this one. 482 00:22:14,600 --> 00:22:17,320 Speaker 5: And what's been fascinating is, like Zachlo said this on 483 00:22:17,600 --> 00:22:19,600 Speaker 5: Simmons podcast, and I completely agree with it. Like if 484 00:22:19,600 --> 00:22:22,280 Speaker 5: you talk to Indy folks, it's the same thing. They 485 00:22:22,640 --> 00:22:24,680 Speaker 5: like they game plan for the series to go long, 486 00:22:24,760 --> 00:22:27,320 Speaker 5: to have that kind of rhythm and flow, and great 487 00:22:27,359 --> 00:22:30,040 Speaker 5: coaches know you never want to be the first one 488 00:22:30,080 --> 00:22:32,120 Speaker 5: to adjust, and you want to hang onto those adjustments 489 00:22:32,160 --> 00:22:35,520 Speaker 5: as long as possible, because once you play that card, 490 00:22:35,680 --> 00:22:38,840 Speaker 5: that's it. You can't replay it because now they've seen it, 491 00:22:38,880 --> 00:22:41,280 Speaker 5: they've scripted it, they've got the counters built in for it. 492 00:22:41,640 --> 00:22:43,480 Speaker 5: You have to save them. And so I think the 493 00:22:43,720 --> 00:22:46,240 Speaker 5: thing in game two is they've stolen a lot of these. 494 00:22:46,520 --> 00:22:50,040 Speaker 5: They stole Game two versus the Nixon Cleveland without making 495 00:22:50,080 --> 00:22:53,320 Speaker 5: major adjustments, and that got them to be able to 496 00:22:53,359 --> 00:22:56,359 Speaker 5: win those series short versus having to go seven, even 497 00:22:56,359 --> 00:22:59,320 Speaker 5: when they have home court advantage, Like that's the real 498 00:22:59,359 --> 00:23:02,439 Speaker 5: difference here, Like even when they went six versus the Knicks, 499 00:23:02,440 --> 00:23:05,080 Speaker 5: it's mostly it's because Nick's had that Game five at home. 500 00:23:05,640 --> 00:23:08,960 Speaker 5: So with Carlisle, I think you go in and you say, look, 501 00:23:09,000 --> 00:23:10,960 Speaker 5: we're gonna compete. We're gonna like, these are the things 502 00:23:10,960 --> 00:23:13,000 Speaker 5: we want to clean up, but we're not gonna make 503 00:23:13,040 --> 00:23:16,919 Speaker 5: these changes that are gonna inherently screw with them because 504 00:23:16,960 --> 00:23:19,479 Speaker 5: you need the possessions where they're trying to figure them 505 00:23:19,480 --> 00:23:22,240 Speaker 5: out and adjust for it to be late enough in 506 00:23:22,280 --> 00:23:24,760 Speaker 5: the game or in the series for it to matter 507 00:23:25,119 --> 00:23:27,919 Speaker 5: in turning that result your way, because once you play it, 508 00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:30,520 Speaker 5: that's it. Most adjustments are gone by six and seven, 509 00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:33,520 Speaker 5: Like you're out of adjustments. It's just who makes shots. 510 00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:38,159 Speaker 5: And so with Carlisle, he's gonna hold back on some 511 00:23:38,280 --> 00:23:39,920 Speaker 5: of that to be able to make sure he plays 512 00:23:39,960 --> 00:23:41,800 Speaker 5: at the right time. I don't know if that comes 513 00:23:41,840 --> 00:23:44,560 Speaker 5: in game three or game four, you can look at 514 00:23:44,600 --> 00:23:46,960 Speaker 5: it and say, hey, we can't lose Game three. Then 515 00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:50,080 Speaker 5: they've retaken home court. They're gonna you know, and we're 516 00:23:50,119 --> 00:23:53,320 Speaker 5: now forced into having to win multiple games on the 517 00:23:53,400 --> 00:23:57,440 Speaker 5: road instead, do you save it for game three or 518 00:23:57,480 --> 00:23:58,760 Speaker 5: Game four? That to me is a question. 519 00:23:59,520 --> 00:24:03,800 Speaker 1: See that, that's Simon why I'm hesitant to go all 520 00:24:03,840 --> 00:24:06,919 Speaker 1: in on. Okay, See, as good as their coach is, 521 00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:09,000 Speaker 1: Mark Degnel is a really good coach. 522 00:24:09,760 --> 00:24:14,520 Speaker 2: Carlisle. I mean, he's such a wily veteran. 523 00:24:14,920 --> 00:24:18,359 Speaker 1: He's obviously won a title, He's now taken another team 524 00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:22,480 Speaker 1: to the finals. He's a brilliant not just basketball coach, 525 00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:27,800 Speaker 1: he's a brilliant NBA tactician. And so if Carlisle sees 526 00:24:27,840 --> 00:24:29,639 Speaker 1: something that makes him think, all right, this is going 527 00:24:29,720 --> 00:24:32,640 Speaker 1: to be a long series, and I'm willing to sacrifice 528 00:24:33,040 --> 00:24:36,240 Speaker 1: tactical decisions in game two because I'm going to need 529 00:24:36,280 --> 00:24:40,919 Speaker 1: them in say, game four, game five, that makes me 530 00:24:40,960 --> 00:24:44,640 Speaker 1: a little bit more inclined to at least think about 531 00:24:45,040 --> 00:24:48,080 Speaker 1: a serious price that is six or seven games. 532 00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:51,320 Speaker 3: I'm telling these little things you love about the Pacers, 533 00:24:51,359 --> 00:24:52,560 Speaker 3: And that's why I was shocking you king On here. 534 00:24:52,560 --> 00:24:54,480 Speaker 3: I was like, this feels like the exact type of 535 00:24:54,480 --> 00:24:56,640 Speaker 3: team that Chad would be suckered into betting, the type 536 00:24:56,640 --> 00:24:57,400 Speaker 3: of dog where. 537 00:24:57,200 --> 00:24:58,919 Speaker 2: It's like I don't want to be a sucker. 538 00:24:59,400 --> 00:25:01,560 Speaker 3: Well, I am I'm I'm gonna be one of those 539 00:25:01,560 --> 00:25:03,919 Speaker 3: people I bet them four to three. It's like it 540 00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:05,879 Speaker 3: would be hilarious if the Pacers do win four to 541 00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:09,240 Speaker 3: two now and I lose both bets. But everything about it, 542 00:25:09,280 --> 00:25:11,480 Speaker 3: I just was just like, oh my god. The Patriots team, 543 00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:13,879 Speaker 3: even in that blow loss. That's what gave me confidence 544 00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:16,639 Speaker 3: that game too. It's just like, there's no quit in 545 00:25:16,680 --> 00:25:18,919 Speaker 3: that team. There was no woe was me. It was 546 00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:22,080 Speaker 3: a still belief of we can get back from this game. 547 00:25:22,520 --> 00:25:24,679 Speaker 3: And I'm like, okay, okay's gonna fiel that up their 548 00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:27,679 Speaker 3: ass the entire series where even when anytime they have 549 00:25:27,840 --> 00:25:31,040 Speaker 3: any type of lead, they're gonna know there's no quit 550 00:25:31,200 --> 00:25:33,920 Speaker 3: in that other team. And you know, even like look 551 00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:35,879 Speaker 3: at our notes right here, the fact that the sports 552 00:25:35,920 --> 00:25:39,040 Speaker 3: books already have SGA and minus five to fifty for 553 00:25:39,080 --> 00:25:42,640 Speaker 3: finals MVP man More, is that not the most disrespectful 554 00:25:42,680 --> 00:25:44,879 Speaker 3: thing you've ever seen? If I was a Pacers that 555 00:25:44,920 --> 00:25:47,040 Speaker 3: would be on my bulletin board. It's one to one. 556 00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:49,359 Speaker 3: What are those odds by the sportsbooks right now? Has 557 00:25:49,359 --> 00:25:51,879 Speaker 3: he really been that dominant in this series? And that 558 00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:55,320 Speaker 3: do that much respect from the books minus five fifty 559 00:25:55,560 --> 00:25:56,399 Speaker 3: Finals MVP. 560 00:25:56,600 --> 00:25:57,280 Speaker 4: That's crazy. 561 00:25:57,440 --> 00:25:59,320 Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean it's also reflective of like there's a 562 00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:01,439 Speaker 5: minus five hundre it as well in the market, just 563 00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:04,080 Speaker 5: reflective of basically it's the series price because nobody else 564 00:26:04,119 --> 00:26:06,800 Speaker 5: is gonna be able to catch him. I've very I 565 00:26:07,080 --> 00:26:09,080 Speaker 5: always want to bet Jalen Williams in these spots because 566 00:26:09,080 --> 00:26:11,440 Speaker 5: of a skill set, but Shay's been able to to 567 00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:13,679 Speaker 5: kind of get there and he's gonna win if they 568 00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:15,920 Speaker 5: win the series. Shay's gonna win it because nobody else 569 00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:18,200 Speaker 5: is really going to have a case for it. If 570 00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:21,320 Speaker 5: Shae doesn't play well, they're not going to win. Like 571 00:26:21,359 --> 00:26:23,920 Speaker 5: there's just not They will not have enough offense if 572 00:26:23,920 --> 00:26:25,960 Speaker 5: Shaye Gillish Alexander does not play well, even if they 573 00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:27,720 Speaker 5: win a bunch of defensive or they're in a bunch 574 00:26:27,720 --> 00:26:32,119 Speaker 5: of defensive games. Yea, yeah, you know, Caruso is like 575 00:26:32,119 --> 00:26:34,560 Speaker 5: an interesting one after having playing game too, right, Like 576 00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:36,960 Speaker 5: that's a very good Like that's a fun long shot, 577 00:26:37,080 --> 00:26:38,399 Speaker 5: But you have to think about, like what are the 578 00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:41,119 Speaker 5: chances of them being able to win that many games 579 00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:44,800 Speaker 5: against this Pacers offense? Because the idea is like, well, 580 00:26:44,840 --> 00:26:47,680 Speaker 5: okayse he's better suited for a defensive slug fest because 581 00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:50,439 Speaker 5: they're the better defensive team. If it's a defensive slug 582 00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:52,639 Speaker 5: fest again, you're into one or two shots can win 583 00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:55,199 Speaker 5: you the game. Do you want Okac shooters or do 584 00:26:55,240 --> 00:26:58,040 Speaker 5: you want Indiana's Because I want Indiana's. And that's where 585 00:26:58,080 --> 00:27:00,120 Speaker 5: I think it gets interesting. I think Pascal Siakama is 586 00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:02,359 Speaker 5: the one that's actually like the really badly priced in 587 00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:05,920 Speaker 5: the market because when Siakam has twenty or more points, 588 00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:08,160 Speaker 5: the Pacers are seven and one straight up in ats 589 00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:11,360 Speaker 5: in the playoffs when he has when he has good games, 590 00:27:11,560 --> 00:27:14,520 Speaker 5: they win. So like, I'm a spoiler gonna be on 591 00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:16,920 Speaker 5: Siakam props for buckets in Game three, which I'm doing 592 00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:19,440 Speaker 5: after the show. So that's a look there. 593 00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:22,919 Speaker 1: Well, look, when he has twenty or more points, it 594 00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:25,720 Speaker 1: also means Halliburton is getting the ball out of his 595 00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:28,320 Speaker 1: hands quickly and getting them into their offense quickly and 596 00:27:28,359 --> 00:27:32,120 Speaker 1: finding the mismatch so Hallimburton can post, so Siakam can 597 00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:35,280 Speaker 1: post someone up and hit that mid range jumper that 598 00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:40,040 Speaker 1: he's so good at hitting. One of my favorite things 599 00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:44,920 Speaker 1: in NBA Finals every year is when a guy starts 600 00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:48,760 Speaker 1: to shine and gets his flowers a little bit and 601 00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:52,480 Speaker 1: for me that that player has been Aaron NEI Smith, 602 00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:57,359 Speaker 1: Like his defense against Brunson, the way he is so 603 00:27:57,560 --> 00:28:00,159 Speaker 1: thoughtful in moving his body and getting into position, and 604 00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:04,240 Speaker 1: his ability to shoot the ball, Like he has become 605 00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:07,840 Speaker 1: a brilliant player. Like being in New England, remembering the 606 00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:11,600 Speaker 1: Celtics drafting him and him riding the pine uh and 607 00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:13,919 Speaker 1: then he disappeared to Indian. I'm like, oh, that's such 608 00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:16,320 Speaker 1: a bummer. Like I liked his story and I was 609 00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:20,560 Speaker 1: rooting for the kid. He's turned into a straight man 610 00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:24,200 Speaker 1: playing for the Pacers. I love this guy, love him, 611 00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:25,440 Speaker 1: talk about his development. 612 00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:28,080 Speaker 5: He's phenomenal. I talked to him at Summer League after 613 00:28:28,119 --> 00:28:30,240 Speaker 5: his rookie season, and you can just tell like he 614 00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:31,960 Speaker 5: had the right mindset of what it was he was 615 00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:33,399 Speaker 5: going to work on and how much he was going 616 00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:35,879 Speaker 5: to focus. And he's had He had like two great 617 00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:37,680 Speaker 5: runs at Summer League to the point where I was like, 618 00:28:37,800 --> 00:28:39,480 Speaker 5: do you guys realize, like how good Aaron the Smith 619 00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:41,360 Speaker 5: is going to be? And then like the Celtics just 620 00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:42,960 Speaker 5: didn't play him for a team that played a lot 621 00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:45,760 Speaker 5: of guys. And he gets this opportunity in Indiana and 622 00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:48,360 Speaker 5: he is the prototypical wing that you want. You want 623 00:28:48,360 --> 00:28:51,800 Speaker 5: guys with size, physicality, length to be able to contest, 624 00:28:51,920 --> 00:28:54,280 Speaker 5: who can get over screens and can knock down the three. 625 00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:56,880 Speaker 5: And he's's been phenomenal for them, Like he's been a 626 00:28:56,880 --> 00:28:59,640 Speaker 5: great rebounder for them, he's been great steals. He's their 627 00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:02,400 Speaker 5: best on ball defender coming over those screens. He's the 628 00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:04,880 Speaker 5: reason why they were able to beat the next he 629 00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:07,120 Speaker 5: is the reason that they beat the New York Next. 630 00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:09,520 Speaker 5: He's number one A on my list for why they 631 00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:13,040 Speaker 5: got past them. His playing that series was absolutely tremendous, 632 00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:16,880 Speaker 5: and it's like a good reminder of some guys don't 633 00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:19,360 Speaker 5: pop immediately. Some guys don't walk into training camp and 634 00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:21,720 Speaker 5: you're like, Oh, that guy's gonna be awesome every single game, 635 00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:23,720 Speaker 5: even if he's not a superstar, Like, that guy's gonna 636 00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:25,959 Speaker 5: be great. Some guys that takes some time. But if 637 00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:28,440 Speaker 5: you're if you have the skill set and you can 638 00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:31,520 Speaker 5: build on it and you're patient, And this Pacers team 639 00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:34,840 Speaker 5: is such a great example of see a vision with guys, 640 00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:37,960 Speaker 5: of seeing what they could be rather than what they 641 00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:39,960 Speaker 5: can't be, And that to me has been like the 642 00:29:40,040 --> 00:29:42,680 Speaker 5: lesson of their team build and getting to the finals. 643 00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:45,960 Speaker 1: All right, then I'm starting to feel more comfortable about 644 00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:49,920 Speaker 1: at least betting OKC and six or the Pacers in seven. 645 00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:53,960 Speaker 2: Like the way you've described. 646 00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:58,720 Speaker 1: The Pacers and their intangibles, how could I not want 647 00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:00,520 Speaker 1: to root for this team, And. 648 00:30:00,440 --> 00:30:03,280 Speaker 5: Like, look, I'll tell you I feel better about OKAC 649 00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:08,239 Speaker 5: and six than seven. If this gets to seven, that 650 00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:10,640 Speaker 5: is they're gonna They've kept saying like, well we've been 651 00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:13,320 Speaker 5: at we faced adversity. We were down two one on 652 00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:15,280 Speaker 5: the road versus Denver, and I'm like, yeah, well Denver 653 00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:18,400 Speaker 5: wasn't good. Like I've covered that team, they were not good. 654 00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:21,880 Speaker 5: And to Simon's point, if this gets to seven, I 655 00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:26,440 Speaker 5: am terrified for OKAC because like house money through the 656 00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:29,800 Speaker 5: roof for the Indiana Pacers, you made Game seven versus 657 00:30:29,880 --> 00:30:32,600 Speaker 5: the sixty eight win Thunder. They went on the road 658 00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:35,040 Speaker 5: last year and won a Game seven in Madison Square Garden. 659 00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:36,080 Speaker 5: Nobody thought they could win. 660 00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:37,320 Speaker 4: This team is like the. 661 00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:40,680 Speaker 5: Perfect squad to steal a Game seven on the road. 662 00:30:40,760 --> 00:30:43,479 Speaker 5: So I feel way better about OKAC and six than 663 00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:45,800 Speaker 5: I do about OKAC and seven. If it gets to 664 00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:46,560 Speaker 5: that point. 665 00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:47,880 Speaker 2: Then that's what we're doing, Simon. 666 00:30:49,080 --> 00:30:50,360 Speaker 4: We're going to six and the seven. 667 00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:54,080 Speaker 1: We're doing six and seven. I like Pacers and seven, 668 00:30:54,120 --> 00:30:57,520 Speaker 1: I like thunder and six. I love it all right, 669 00:30:57,960 --> 00:31:01,120 Speaker 1: Matt Moore, host of Buckets, thanks for coming on the show. 670 00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:05,480 Speaker 1: Game three is at eight thirty Eastern Wednesday in Indianapolis. 671 00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:08,000 Speaker 1: The current line Indie plus five and a half total 672 00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:11,360 Speaker 1: two twenty eight and a half. Simon and I will 673 00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:14,080 Speaker 1: return with our next episode, Favorites Thursday on the Action 674 00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:16,320 Speaker 1: Number of YouTube page. 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