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Speaker 1: Bloomberg Audio Studios, Podcasts, radio News. I'm Hannah Elliott and

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Speaker 1: I'm Matt Miller.

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Speaker 2: This is Hot Pursuit.

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Speaker 1: Coming up on today's podcast. We've got Zach Brown, the

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Speaker 1: head of McLaren racing with us, which is a really

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Speaker 1: big deal. Matt. He joined you on TV too, which

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Speaker 1: is very cool.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he is awesome.

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Speaker 3: He's going to talk to us ahead of the Indy

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Speaker 3: five hundred, which is of course this weekend. He is

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Speaker 3: also racing next year in the Lamar Hypercar Division and

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Speaker 3: has won Monaco already in F one. So he's going

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Speaker 3: for a Zach Brown triple crown because yeah, it's because

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Speaker 3: McLaren's already wanted as a team, but you know before

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Speaker 3: he was involved and obviously only one other driver has

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Speaker 3: ever won it in Graham Hill.

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Speaker 1: Sure that guy has a lot going on. I'm glad

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Speaker 1: he made time for us.

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Speaker 2: Me too.

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Speaker 3: I was really really grateful. So we'll get into that.

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Speaker 3: It was an excellent conversation and we're gonna reopen the

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Speaker 3: can of worms talking about corvettes because you had I

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Speaker 3: never remember if it's the z L one or z

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Speaker 3: many letters and numbers, but that you had the Apex

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Speaker 3: predator of Corvettes.

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Speaker 1: V R one X Corvette. That's right, I did, and

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Speaker 1: you got to bet yourself.

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Speaker 3: Yes, I had the E Ray again, which I've driven before.

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Speaker 3: I was absolutely in love with it. In the past,

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Speaker 3: my purest neighbor Eric, he didn't like it so much,

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Speaker 3: and I think that's the case for a lot of

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Speaker 3: interesting because that one is going extinct. This is the

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Speaker 3: last year of the E Ray. Yeah, because the Grand Sport.

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Speaker 3: They're coming out with the Grand Sport, which is essentially

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Speaker 3: Sport as well, the Grand Sport X. So that will

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Speaker 3: take the place of the E Ray.

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Speaker 1: Well, I think that's okay because after my drive and

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Speaker 1: the ZR one X, like, what more could you want? Really?

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Speaker 1: I mean, I feel like you could do a K

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Speaker 1: the top of the food chain, and like, why do

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Speaker 1: you need something in the middle that's interesting.

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Speaker 3: I think of it as an E shape, right, So

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Speaker 3: the Stingray is the bottom rung and the z R

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Speaker 3: It's the six point two liters V eight in the back.

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Speaker 3: the smells of you know, a big inch V eight

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Speaker 3: which is different for a corvette, you know, in my lifetime,

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Speaker 3: they've all been front engine until now. But then you

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Speaker 3: all wheel drive for the first time in a corvette.

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Speaker 3: I don't have to have the thousand plus horsepower of

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Speaker 3: So I like the middle ground a lot, and I

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Speaker 3: put out the Grand Sport X. That's gonna have a

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Speaker 3: so every one with the money is going to trade up.

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Speaker 3: And I'm rubbing my hands together. I cannot wait for

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Speaker 3: the used car market to just drop prices on the Era,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a good case. I mean, I'll just give

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Speaker 1: that doesn't entice you a little bit. Did we mention

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Speaker 1: it's twelve hundred and fifty combined horsepower and it's zero

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Speaker 3: It's you didn't put on launch control and try it

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Speaker 3: out for yourself, you know what?

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Speaker 1: No, I didn't because the last car that I drove

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Speaker 1: You really just I wanted to take it on a

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Speaker 1: best used. But I will say I did drive it

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Speaker 1: of these cars are frustrating. It's a little bit scary

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Speaker 1: because the visibility is nil behind your shoulder, you just

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Speaker 1: can't see a thing. And with the extra arrow, which

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Speaker 1: I don't think you need in this thing, I was

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Speaker 1: By the way, that's driving the car was great.

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Speaker 3: That's so I want to hear more about driving the car.

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Speaker 3: But I'll just interrupt to say the arrow is where

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Speaker 3: they lose me on that thing. Like I the eight,

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Speaker 3: E Ray in all one color. It already looks racer

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Speaker 3: boy enough, Like I don't need a gigantic tail because

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Speaker 3: guess what, I'm not going to be doing one hundred

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Speaker 1: I completely agree. Like I'm looking at the z R

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Speaker 1: because I think the only argument you could make for needing.

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Speaker 1: That spoiler is on a track. That's the only way

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Speaker 3: So how on a track or just in Miami driving

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Speaker 1: I mean someone made a joke. Well, that's what you

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Speaker 1: I do get that, but you know, I'm so with you.

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Speaker 1: It's it's like ten grand extra to have it. I don't,

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Speaker 1: I rarely don't think it's necessary. And I also know

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Speaker 1: we're going to disagree about the color of the car,

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Speaker 1: which I think, as you said, the car already screams

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Speaker 3: Oh come now, come, now, come on. You just said

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Speaker 3: twelve hundred and fifty horsepower, right. I don't know how

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Speaker 3: it's not even cheap, right, it's over two hundred grand

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Speaker 3: the MSRP.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it starts at two hundred and nine and the

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Speaker 3: Right, And you're not getting it off a dealer lot

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Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, I maintain my stance really as it was

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Speaker 3: This thing is so far from the original Corvette, like

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Speaker 3: It's just a different vehicle with the same name.

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Speaker 1: I'm a bit of a purist to me. Once you

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Speaker 3: I hear what you're saying. But they didn't just dial

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Speaker 3: the car, all right, So anyway, we won't ever resolve this.

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Speaker 3: But I wonder what you thought about driving it. So obviously,

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Speaker 3: you know it's incredibly fast and quick, but I also think,

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Speaker 3: At least the lower models are easy to drive around town.

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Speaker 3: What did you think?

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Speaker 1: Completely agree. The thing that was the overwhelming impression from

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Speaker 1: cars with a lot of power can often be very

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Speaker 1: brutal and be extremely fraying on your nerves. The sound,

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Speaker 1: the stiffness of the suspension, they're just like not really

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Speaker 1: it jumps so fast and it's it's imperceptible what the

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to Hopursue. Joining us now is the charnydo.

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Speaker 1: Matt, do you remember when we were at Lamon last

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Speaker 1: I'm going to for the first time ever this weekend.

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Speaker 1: do Indy If you've never been.

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Speaker 2: Wait till you see what is the world's largest live

435
00:23:20,920 --> 00:23:25,119
Speaker 2: attended sporting event. You've never seen a city inside a

436
00:23:25,160 --> 00:23:28,600
Speaker 2: stadium like you will experience and thirty three cars coming

437
00:23:28,960 --> 00:23:31,000
Speaker 2: into turn one at two hundred and forty miles an hour.

438
00:23:31,440 --> 00:23:35,119
Speaker 2: The sound, the spectacle, the speed, the size is amazing.

439
00:23:35,119 --> 00:23:37,720
Speaker 3: I'm getting goosebumps as you say, dude, is it bigger

440
00:23:37,760 --> 00:23:39,080
Speaker 3: attendance than like Silverstone?

441
00:23:39,119 --> 00:23:41,280
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeh yeah. Is a single day sporting event.

442
00:23:41,320 --> 00:23:43,720
Speaker 2: I think it sits three hundred and fifty thousand people. Wow.

443
00:23:44,080 --> 00:23:47,000
Speaker 3: So, I mean Zach's advice is to watch from pit

444
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Speaker 3: from Pitt Wall right, have your own team.

445
00:23:49,760 --> 00:23:53,320
Speaker 2: Always best seeing in the house. No, but it's gonna

446
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Speaker 2: be on Fox.

447
00:23:53,800 --> 00:23:56,040
Speaker 3: We were talking about this because I as you know, Hannah,

448
00:23:56,040 --> 00:23:58,280
Speaker 3: I love that F one is now on Apple TV,

449
00:23:58,760 --> 00:24:01,159
Speaker 3: And I mean I think for Americans that it just

450
00:24:01,280 --> 00:24:05,399
Speaker 3: opens it up to to live, sleep, eat, and breathe

451
00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:09,320
Speaker 3: one and Indy obviously it's on Fox, so we can

452
00:24:09,359 --> 00:24:13,520
Speaker 3: watch the whole thing there. How do you plan as

453
00:24:13,560 --> 00:24:15,600
Speaker 3: as a spectator, How would you plan your day?

454
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Speaker 1: Like?

455
00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:18,040
Speaker 2: I always like to go in the grandstand, which is

456
00:24:18,040 --> 00:24:21,840
Speaker 2: something I don't do often, but it's actually the best spectator.

457
00:24:21,840 --> 00:24:23,600
Speaker 2: Everyone wants to get in the pitch. Can't see as

458
00:24:23,680 --> 00:24:25,080
Speaker 2: much in the pits. I mean, I know you're close

459
00:24:25,160 --> 00:24:27,440
Speaker 2: up to the action, but actually sitting in the grand

460
00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:29,520
Speaker 2: stands is your best review for watching the race.

461
00:24:29,560 --> 00:24:31,520
Speaker 3: How do you rate your chances this week. I think

462
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Speaker 3: we've got a good chance.

463
00:24:32,359 --> 00:24:35,360
Speaker 2: We've finished second twice in the last few years. We've

464
00:24:35,400 --> 00:24:37,520
Speaker 2: crashed going for the lead. We had two cars that

465
00:24:37,800 --> 00:24:41,199
Speaker 2: crashed going for the lead. But you know, it's a

466
00:24:41,240 --> 00:24:43,080
Speaker 2: bit of a roll of the dice. It's a long race.

467
00:24:43,119 --> 00:24:45,040
Speaker 2: You need everything to go your way, so it's a

468
00:24:45,040 --> 00:24:47,080
Speaker 2: bit more like Lamar. You know, Monica, you're getting to

469
00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:50,399
Speaker 2: lead and turn one, you're you're kind of you know,

470
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Speaker 2: I don't want to say job done, but you've done

471
00:24:52,600 --> 00:24:55,920
Speaker 2: the heavy lifting. Indye, just anything can happen, you know something.

472
00:24:55,960 --> 00:24:59,000
Speaker 2: We had a Pato crash yesterday. Someone crashed in front

473
00:24:59,040 --> 00:25:01,680
Speaker 2: of them. You know, you get the safety car or

474
00:25:01,720 --> 00:25:03,919
Speaker 2: the pace car at the wrong time. So there's a

475
00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:07,160
Speaker 2: lot of variables that need to fall your way.

476
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Speaker 1: This is a bit of a pivot. But Zach, I'm

477
00:25:09,760 --> 00:25:12,560
Speaker 1: reminded that last year you were racing yourself in the

478
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Speaker 1: Iraq races during Pebble Beach in Monterey. Do you have plans.

479
00:25:17,560 --> 00:25:20,919
Speaker 2: I'm in the Monterey Historics every single year. It's the

480
00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:25,760
Speaker 2: only time that I know I've got a free two weekends.

481
00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:28,320
Speaker 2: There's the prehistorics and historics because it's the Formula one

482
00:25:28,359 --> 00:25:30,840
Speaker 2: shut down. So I've been going to that event for

483
00:25:30,920 --> 00:25:33,320
Speaker 2: twenty plus years and I intend to go to it

484
00:25:33,359 --> 00:25:35,760
Speaker 2: the next twenty years. This year, I'll be bringing my

485
00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:39,959
Speaker 2: Iraq again, a Portion nine thirty five, a Jaguar XGR

486
00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:44,040
Speaker 2: nine Group C car, and my McLaren MD can Am car.

487
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Speaker 3: What are your favorites? I mean, let's say, of the

488
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Speaker 3: twentieth century, right, what's your favorite era in terms of

489
00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:53,440
Speaker 3: you know, driving?

490
00:25:53,720 --> 00:25:57,560
Speaker 2: And I love sports cars mostly because I fit in

491
00:25:57,600 --> 00:26:01,480
Speaker 2: them pretty well. The group see the GTB cars. I

492
00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:03,520
Speaker 2: think those cars, even if you look at them today,

493
00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:06,640
Speaker 2: they look very modern. My favorite era of indie car

494
00:26:06,840 --> 00:26:08,880
Speaker 2: was a late eighties early nineties. That's what I grew

495
00:26:08,920 --> 00:26:11,679
Speaker 2: up around, and the same thing in Formula one. But

496
00:26:11,720 --> 00:26:13,719
Speaker 2: I think our favorite eras tend to be what you

497
00:26:13,800 --> 00:26:15,720
Speaker 2: kind of grew up around. You know, if you ask

498
00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:18,800
Speaker 2: my kids in twenty years, I'm sure this is going

499
00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:20,639
Speaker 2: to be their their favorite era.

500
00:26:20,800 --> 00:26:23,080
Speaker 3: But the late eighties, early nineties and F one has.

501
00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:25,719
Speaker 2: To be take the cake, right, And the cars all

502
00:26:25,760 --> 00:26:29,040
Speaker 2: look different. You had different types of power units, and

503
00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:31,240
Speaker 2: you know, you went and looked and all the cars

504
00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:35,239
Speaker 2: were designed differently. Now that you've got so much you know,

505
00:26:35,280 --> 00:26:39,280
Speaker 2: computers aiding you, and the regulations are so tight, you

506
00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:42,879
Speaker 2: kind of spit out very similar looking cars that have

507
00:26:43,119 --> 00:26:45,760
Speaker 2: very subtle differences. Where you go back and you look

508
00:26:45,800 --> 00:26:49,000
Speaker 2: at the eighties and a McLaren or Ferrari or Williams something,

509
00:26:49,040 --> 00:26:51,120
Speaker 2: they just looked like a radically different cars. You even

510
00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:54,240
Speaker 2: had six wheels at one point. So I enjoy that

511
00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:57,199
Speaker 2: see the car and go that is a Williams and

512
00:26:57,200 --> 00:27:00,280
Speaker 2: that is a McLaren. But now in the digital age

513
00:27:00,359 --> 00:27:04,320
Speaker 2: and with the prescription of the rules, they'll look pretty similar.

514
00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:06,000
Speaker 2: But of course the different race cars.

515
00:27:07,280 --> 00:27:10,200
Speaker 1: That makes sense. I'm thinking of the physical strength required

516
00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:13,520
Speaker 1: to drive those cars when you're racing in like in

517
00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:17,760
Speaker 1: Monterey for instance, that's a laguna seka. What is the

518
00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:20,280
Speaker 1: key to that track? Specifically?

519
00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:22,760
Speaker 2: I love that track. I've got more laps around that

520
00:27:22,800 --> 00:27:25,600
Speaker 2: track than any I think the physicality of the old

521
00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:30,240
Speaker 2: cars and the fragility of the cars, the gearboxes, the brakes.

522
00:27:30,280 --> 00:27:33,800
Speaker 2: You know, now you hop in a car and you

523
00:27:33,840 --> 00:27:36,879
Speaker 2: know all the cars finish the races. You can't really

524
00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:39,760
Speaker 2: break the gearboxes, you can't miss shifts. You can't overrev

525
00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:44,520
Speaker 2: the engines. So that was what you know, is the

526
00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:47,320
Speaker 2: biggest thing you notice when you get in a older car.

527
00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:50,000
Speaker 2: And then of course safety, even though we're in twenty

528
00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:53,640
Speaker 2: twenty six, you do need to reset your brain that

529
00:27:53,920 --> 00:27:57,200
Speaker 2: you know you're in a car that was quite dangerous

530
00:27:57,240 --> 00:27:58,800
Speaker 2: back in the day. So even though you're in twenty

531
00:27:58,840 --> 00:28:01,120
Speaker 2: twenty six, you need to re wind and go, Nope,

532
00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:04,720
Speaker 2: I'm in a nineteen eighty six car and the protection

533
00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:06,600
Speaker 2: is not what it was today.

534
00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:11,800
Speaker 1: Can you blog that car? All out those eighties race cars?

535
00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:14,280
Speaker 1: Can you push them? Or are you a little bit? No?

536
00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:18,000
Speaker 2: You back off a little bit because I'm actually less

537
00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:20,520
Speaker 2: concerned about my safety. I'm more concerned about replacing the

538
00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:23,399
Speaker 2: race car. Yeah yeah, but I actually so.

539
00:28:24,280 --> 00:28:27,000
Speaker 3: As for me as someone who looks to buy a

540
00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:29,680
Speaker 3: classic car, like, that's the trade off I always think about.

541
00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:31,439
Speaker 3: On the one hand, I want a car that doesn't

542
00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:33,800
Speaker 3: have electronics in it because I want to be able

543
00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:36,640
Speaker 3: to work on it and fix it myself and I can't,

544
00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:39,480
Speaker 3: you know, do all the software stuff. On the other hand,

545
00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:41,720
Speaker 3: I want it to be able to survive, like getting

546
00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:45,120
Speaker 3: hit sideways in an intersection, Like I don't want to

547
00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:48,440
Speaker 3: get t boned and die, So there is kind of

548
00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:50,680
Speaker 3: that sweet spot. I mean, that's part of why I

549
00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:54,520
Speaker 3: think people like the nineties Radwood era cars right now

550
00:28:54,560 --> 00:28:57,440
Speaker 3: because you can get like kind of the maximum naturally

551
00:28:57,480 --> 00:29:04,120
Speaker 3: aspirated power and and a good amount of safety. For well,

552
00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:05,040
Speaker 3: it's election, it's.

553
00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:07,640
Speaker 2: Weird, and it just means I'm getting really old now.

554
00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:11,360
Speaker 2: Historic cars are hitting the era of the reliability and

555
00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:14,440
Speaker 2: the safety. So you know, I'm in two weeks time

556
00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:18,560
Speaker 2: going to be racing a McLaren GT three and a Ferrari.

557
00:29:18,560 --> 00:29:20,600
Speaker 2: I'm not sure I'm allowed to say that GTE car

558
00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:24,120
Speaker 2: that ran at Lamar in twenty twelve and the McLaren

559
00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:27,640
Speaker 2: raced in twenty thirteen. I'm shocked that's a historic car

560
00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:29,520
Speaker 2: because it feels new to me. But you know those

561
00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:35,560
Speaker 2: are all carbon fiber, electronics, paddleshift gearboxes. So I think

562
00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:39,840
Speaker 2: modern day historic racing now are going to hit an

563
00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:41,960
Speaker 2: era where you can really push these cars.

564
00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:44,239
Speaker 3: So twenty twelve is an historic car.

565
00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:46,160
Speaker 2: It's crazy. It doesn't feel historic to me because I

566
00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:48,000
Speaker 2: was racing them not too long ago. But reality as

567
00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:50,360
Speaker 2: they are now, where is that race that's gonna be

568
00:29:50,360 --> 00:29:51,920
Speaker 2: a brands Hatch which will be a lot of fun,

569
00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:53,720
Speaker 2: which I'm going to be doing with my my son,

570
00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:56,280
Speaker 2: first time I've ever raced with them. That's very cool.

571
00:29:56,280 --> 00:29:57,040
Speaker 2: It'll be a lot of fun.

572
00:29:57,680 --> 00:29:59,560
Speaker 3: You know, it's a famous racetrack when it has a

573
00:29:59,560 --> 00:30:03,360
Speaker 3: color name after it. I saw yesterday a BMWM eight

574
00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:04,600
Speaker 3: and brands Hatch gray.

575
00:30:04,760 --> 00:30:08,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's an iconic, iconic circuit used to host the

576
00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:10,920
Speaker 2: British Grand Prix in amongst other major races.

577
00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:14,240
Speaker 3: You are allowed to talk about other brands that you

578
00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:17,560
Speaker 3: drive or like. Besides, we obviously know you're dedicated to

579
00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:22,400
Speaker 3: McLaren and a car guy. Yeah so, but in terms

580
00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:24,600
Speaker 3: of the McLaren cars, there are a lot of pretty

581
00:30:24,600 --> 00:30:27,200
Speaker 3: good deals out there if you're willing to go for

582
00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:30,240
Speaker 3: a ten year old vehicle. What do you think of

583
00:30:30,280 --> 00:30:33,000
Speaker 3: the product that they have? I mean, obviously they're at

584
00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:35,440
Speaker 3: the cutting edge, the bleeding edge of technology right now,

585
00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:37,680
Speaker 3: and everybody raves about their new products. What do you

586
00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:38,840
Speaker 3: think about the older McLaren's.

587
00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:40,720
Speaker 2: What do you like? I love the p Ones an

588
00:30:40,760 --> 00:30:44,920
Speaker 2: amazing car. I think tremendously undervalued when you look at it.

589
00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:48,240
Speaker 2: It's Peers, the Enzo's, the nine to eighteens that came

590
00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:51,400
Speaker 2: out about the same time. That was our first real supercar,

591
00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:53,280
Speaker 2: of course, other than the McLaren F one from the

592
00:30:53,320 --> 00:30:57,400
Speaker 2: mid nineties. That car is amazing. I've seen our new

593
00:30:57,400 --> 00:30:59,800
Speaker 2: product lineup that's not been rolled out yet, but I'm

594
00:30:59,840 --> 00:31:02,800
Speaker 2: very excited for the for the future. But P one,

595
00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:04,920
Speaker 2: to me is a mega supercar.

596
00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:06,640
Speaker 3: And where do you where do you spend the most

597
00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:08,920
Speaker 3: of I mean, obviously you're at race after race and

598
00:31:09,080 --> 00:31:11,880
Speaker 3: event all the time, but where do you spend the

599
00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:14,880
Speaker 3: most of your down time, Like where you keep your cars.

600
00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:18,920
Speaker 2: I've got a car storage unit because I've got more

601
00:31:19,120 --> 00:31:21,800
Speaker 2: cars than a garage space, so rotate them through. I

602
00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:23,600
Speaker 2: don't get to drive them much. I usually just drive

603
00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:26,480
Speaker 2: them to the factory because unless you get out in

604
00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:28,760
Speaker 2: the country roads, you don't want to be cruising around

605
00:31:29,080 --> 00:31:31,240
Speaker 2: London and many things because you won't get out of

606
00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:31,720
Speaker 2: second gear.

607
00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:34,320
Speaker 3: But you do get to drive the newest, the latest

608
00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:36,640
Speaker 3: and greatest. Oh there and even before they come out.

609
00:31:36,520 --> 00:31:39,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, one hundred percent, and they're they're fantastic. Waits to

610
00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:41,280
Speaker 2: see it's coming there. We're doing some pretty cool stuff.

611
00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:43,040
Speaker 3: Hannah will be there, I'm sure at the launch.

612
00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:49,720
Speaker 1: I fully plan and Nintendo and that like again, maybe

613
00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:53,120
Speaker 1: this is a year you come to Monterey because gotta

614
00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:56,600
Speaker 1: go to mon totally. And I'm also thinking speaking about

615
00:31:56,600 --> 00:31:59,360
Speaker 1: these race cars. Last year at Monterey, you guys did

616
00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:01,800
Speaker 1: something I've wudn't have even thought of, which was you

617
00:32:02,040 --> 00:32:04,600
Speaker 1: pre sold McLaren race cars.

618
00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:05,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, something new for.

619
00:32:06,080 --> 00:32:09,320
Speaker 1: Us and the Crown. Yeah, how how did that go?

620
00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:11,080
Speaker 1: Would you ever do it again? Yeah?

621
00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:14,080
Speaker 2: I think we would on a very limited basis, but

622
00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:18,360
Speaker 2: it's the ultimate experience. You know, we've got fans of

623
00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:21,600
Speaker 2: all shapes and sizes, if you'd like u in all

624
00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:25,000
Speaker 2: various degrees. If we want to make sure that all

625
00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:27,440
Speaker 2: the little boys and girls have everything from a lunch

626
00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:29,880
Speaker 2: box that they can take to school, that will eventually,

627
00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:32,360
Speaker 2: you know, maybe be a McLaren byer or certainly a

628
00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:35,120
Speaker 2: McLaren fan all the way up to you know, people

629
00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:38,640
Speaker 2: that are well off and can you know, spend millions

630
00:32:38,640 --> 00:32:41,120
Speaker 2: of dollars on on race cars. So we want to

631
00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:44,680
Speaker 2: appeal to all of our McLaren fans, today's fans and

632
00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:45,480
Speaker 2: tomorrow's fans.

633
00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:47,720
Speaker 3: I have the I have the pin that you have

634
00:32:47,880 --> 00:32:50,800
Speaker 3: on your jacket because my first f one race I

635
00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:53,400
Speaker 3: ever went to was in Hawkenheim with David Kutard. Oh yeah,

636
00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:58,840
Speaker 3: and I got the pin there is Monterey. We Hannah

637
00:32:58,840 --> 00:33:00,600
Speaker 3: and I were talking about lamon last here as kind

638
00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:04,760
Speaker 3: of the Davos of car people. I've never been to

639
00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:07,560
Speaker 3: Pebble Beach, I know. We interviewed Jim Farley from there

640
00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:11,600
Speaker 3: last year. Great and he's he's always there. So is

641
00:33:11,640 --> 00:33:12,720
Speaker 3: that one of your favorite events?

642
00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:13,000
Speaker 2: Also?

643
00:33:13,080 --> 00:33:13,240
Speaker 3: Yeah?

644
00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:15,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a must at ten because it's you know,

645
00:33:15,480 --> 00:33:18,560
Speaker 2: the ultimate car people. You know, total petrol heads. You

646
00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:21,160
Speaker 2: see every type of race car there. You've got unbelievable events.

647
00:33:21,280 --> 00:33:24,120
Speaker 2: Laguna Sayka is amazing, You've got Pebble Beach, You've got golf.

648
00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:27,760
Speaker 2: We'll bring our new McLaren golf clubs. And so to me,

649
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Speaker 2: it's just like the ultimate week of people, cars, food, wine, restaurant,

650
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Speaker 2: seventeen mile drive. I mean, it's all there, and.

651
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Speaker 1: I should say it's something for everybody too. I Mean

652
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Speaker 1: everyone thinks it's like all this really expensive stuff, and

653
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Speaker 1: some of it is. But what I also love about

654
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Speaker 1: it is you can just stand by the side of

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Speaker 1: the road.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, No, you can participate and take it

657
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Speaker 2: in and kind of just enjoy it for what it is.

658
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Speaker 2: The scenery golf, and you know, the cars, whether you're

659
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Speaker 2: buying cars, driving cars, looking at cars, it's just an

660
00:34:05,040 --> 00:34:10,560
Speaker 2: unbelievable environment and great weather and just you know, beautiful area.

661
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Speaker 3: Well, Zach, thank you so much for joining us. We

662
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Speaker 3: really appreciate your time today.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, Van.

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Speaker 3: You obviously are a very busy man, so we're gonna

665
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Speaker 3: let you go. H but really, really really great to

666
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Speaker 3: spend some time with you.

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Speaker 2: Thanks so much. Thank you.

668
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Speaker 3: That was the CEO of McLaren Racing, Zach Brown. And

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Speaker 3: what an awesome dude to talk to just about like

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Speaker 3: racing and cars and life. I mean, he's a genuinely

671
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Speaker 3: cool guy.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I And I think it's also very it's pretty rare,

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Speaker 1: as you and I have spoken about before that some

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Speaker 1: of these guys are actually out there racing too, in

675
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Speaker 1: addition to running all the racing there. And I know

676
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Speaker 1: he loves this Iraq series that he does and like

677
00:34:52,120 --> 00:34:56,359
Speaker 1: sounds like he's going to be racing a Ferrari pretty soon.

678
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Speaker 1: I mean that also is a lot.

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Speaker 2: It is quite rare.

680
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Speaker 3: Actually, you know, you wrote a story I think about

681
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Speaker 3: Jim Farley, the CEO. Ford also like has a clause

682
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Speaker 3: in his contract that he's allowed to race and his

683
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Speaker 3: wife lets him, but most CEOs are not allowed to

684
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Speaker 3: because there's too much risk.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, I don't. I mean, it's very cool

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Speaker 1: that he got around that. I wonder if Total Wolf

687
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Speaker 1: ever wants to get out in a race.

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Speaker 3: He did right, he raised it before he started his

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Speaker 3: career in management.

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Speaker 1: I wonder if he ever sort of wishes.

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Speaker 3: Did we ask Susie about that. I wonder if she

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Speaker 3: still gets in the race car.

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Speaker 1: I don't know, it'd be really interesting to talk to

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Speaker 1: them about that, you know, like I don't think race

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Speaker 1: I don't know, but is race racing something you kind

696
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Speaker 1: of just jump into and jump out to out of no,

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Speaker 1: like once.

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Speaker 2: You turn it.

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Speaker 3: You know, there's certain CEOs. So I know Oliver SIPs

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Speaker 3: from BMW. He does spend a lot of time on

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Speaker 3: the track for fun. I'm not sure or if they're

702
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Speaker 3: in competitive races. Herbert Deese, who used to run Folkswagen

703
00:36:05,640 --> 00:36:09,120
Speaker 3: races motorcycles on the track because he used to run

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Speaker 3: motorcycles and brought out the S one thousand double r

705
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Speaker 3: at BMW. Mary Bara, she is really into race cars.

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Speaker 3: I don't know if she spends a lot of track time.

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00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:28,399
Speaker 3: Antonio Felosa from Stilantis. I doubt he has much time

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Speaker 3: to race on the track. He sort of grew up

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Speaker 3: under Sergio Marchioni and was probably work, work, work all

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Speaker 3: the time. So yeah, it's pretty rare.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's very rare. And here's something else that's really interesting.

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Speaker 1: Do you judge automotive executives whether or not they're quote

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Speaker 1: unquote car people.

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Speaker 2: No, I don't.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't either, But there's still something within the

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Speaker 1: car world where, you know, people kind of want to know,

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Speaker 1: is this automotive executive a car, like, you know, a

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Speaker 1: real carp whatever that actually even means. And the reason

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Speaker 1: why I'm bringing this up is because I was talking

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Speaker 1: to one of another of our favorites, Kevin Tynan, who

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Speaker 1: used to work at Bloomberg. He used to work for

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Speaker 1: Bloomberg Intelligence, and he made this great point to me

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Speaker 1: that he was like, the purpose of car companies isn't

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Speaker 1: to sell cars. The purpose of car companies is to

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Speaker 1: make money. And sometimes the problem is they think their

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Speaker 1: purpose is to sell cars for the love of cars.

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Speaker 1: And we had this whole discussion about how actually it's

728
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Speaker 1: an advantage sometimes if you have people who aren't car

729
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Speaker 1: people leading the company because they understand the business right

730
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Speaker 1: and they don't. This is a bit of a tangent,

731
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Speaker 1: but you see what I mean. I think it's a

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Speaker 1: very interesting to think about that because there is something

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Speaker 1: still in my head that I do want to know, Oh,

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Speaker 1: does that to so and so race to so and

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Speaker 1: so own a million cool cars? Which is all very interesting,

736
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Speaker 1: But I don't think they have to to be successful

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Speaker 1: running a car company.

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Speaker 3: Well, I mean I was thinking that. You meant, like,

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Speaker 3: do I still have respect for, for example, Stephen Winkleman, right,

740
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Speaker 3: who runs Lamborghini. I love their products, you know there,

741
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Speaker 3: I know some of my favorite vehicles in the world.

742
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Speaker 3: But he's not really an obsessive car guy. Like he

743
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Speaker 3: doesn't spend his weekends wrenching in the garage. And I

744
00:38:22,120 --> 00:38:24,759
Speaker 3: still have incredible, an incredible amount of respect for him,

745
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Speaker 3: not only.

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Speaker 2: As a CEO.

747
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Speaker 3: Yes, as a CEO, he's been incredibly successful. He's also

748
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Speaker 3: run Bugatti, he's also run out rs, He's he's done

749
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Speaker 3: well for his board, for his shareholders, he's got great returns,

750
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Speaker 3: and his products are amazing, right at all of those companies.

751
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Speaker 3: And I also have a lot of respect for him

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Speaker 3: as a human being. And then there are people like

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Speaker 3: Jim Farley, who is a car guy through and through

754
00:38:51,160 --> 00:38:54,080
Speaker 3: right he still is a great CEO. It doesn't mean

755
00:38:54,120 --> 00:38:56,719
Speaker 3: he isn't good at business, but I know that he

756
00:38:56,880 --> 00:39:01,000
Speaker 3: makes something like a Raptor for me, you know, or

757
00:39:01,680 --> 00:39:03,640
Speaker 3: or the Mustang, like he's not going to give up

758
00:39:03,640 --> 00:39:06,400
Speaker 3: on making a V eight with with a stick shift

759
00:39:06,920 --> 00:39:09,760
Speaker 3: because he wants to offer that to the American people.

760
00:39:09,880 --> 00:39:13,200
Speaker 3: And by the way, there are like at General Motors,

761
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Speaker 3: for example, I have faith that Mark Royce is going

762
00:39:15,520 --> 00:39:19,200
Speaker 3: to keep delivering the things that car guys want, while

763
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Speaker 3: Mary Bara is going to make sure that the company

764
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Speaker 3: runs smoothly, the employees have a well paying job. You know,

765
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Speaker 3: she does her best for Michigan in America, like different

766
00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:34,959
Speaker 3: people serve different roles. So yeah, I think I don't

767
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Speaker 3: judge a car car maker CEO entirely on his garage.

768
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Speaker 1: I think I think you can use your strengths in

769
00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:46,760
Speaker 1: either way. It's it's and it's actually interesting to see

770
00:39:47,600 --> 00:39:49,960
Speaker 1: the people who are and who are not and how

771
00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:52,440
Speaker 1: they how they move, how they work. I think that's

772
00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:54,040
Speaker 1: one of the reasons why we love having them on

773
00:39:54,080 --> 00:39:56,799
Speaker 1: the podcast, because it's interesting to get inside their head

774
00:39:56,840 --> 00:40:01,279
Speaker 1: and see what see what assets their bridging to make

775
00:40:01,320 --> 00:40:02,280
Speaker 1: the company do well.

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Speaker 3: This is a really good podcast. We have a good podcast,

777
00:40:05,960 --> 00:40:06,399
Speaker 3: you know that.

778
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Speaker 1: I like it. I have fun. I think it's very interesting.

779
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Speaker 3: Speaking of having fun, what are you up to this weekend?

780
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Speaker 1: Oh well, I'm going to endy.

781
00:40:15,200 --> 00:40:17,960
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that's right. God, You're so lucky. How did

782
00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:19,160
Speaker 2: you How did that happen?

783
00:40:19,239 --> 00:40:21,440
Speaker 3: Did you just decide, like, what are we doing, Magnus,

784
00:40:21,520 --> 00:40:23,920
Speaker 3: let's go to watch one of the most important races

785
00:40:23,920 --> 00:40:24,360
Speaker 3: in the world.

786
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Speaker 1: I'm going as a plus one. Magnus got invited, So

787
00:40:28,680 --> 00:40:31,920
Speaker 1: I'm going as a plus one, which is awesome.

788
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Speaker 2: That is so cool.

789
00:40:34,200 --> 00:40:36,800
Speaker 1: I know it's it feels kind of like, weirdly a vacation,

790
00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:41,080
Speaker 1: even though it's still car related. I'm just going as

791
00:40:41,360 --> 00:40:45,600
Speaker 1: his guest, which is awesome. He got the invite.

792
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Speaker 3: I I can't believe I've never been as a as

793
00:40:48,880 --> 00:40:51,440
Speaker 3: a as an Ohioan, you know, as a boy from Columbus.

794
00:40:51,480 --> 00:40:54,200
Speaker 3: I feel like I should already have been sometime in

795
00:40:54,200 --> 00:40:56,799
Speaker 3: the last fifty years. I should already have rented an

796
00:40:56,920 --> 00:41:00,719
Speaker 3: RV with friends or family and you know, gone with

797
00:41:01,719 --> 00:41:06,160
Speaker 3: two or three suitcases of bud Budweiser beer and cans,

798
00:41:06,840 --> 00:41:09,160
Speaker 3: but I've never I can't wait to watch the race

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Speaker 3: this weekend.

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Speaker 1: I admit I know really nothing about IndyCar. You know

801
00:41:14,760 --> 00:41:18,279
Speaker 1: Alexander Rossi, of course is we're friendly. I've known him

802
00:41:18,280 --> 00:41:23,400
Speaker 1: for years. Great person, great driver, great champion, great indie champion.

803
00:41:24,520 --> 00:41:28,120
Speaker 1: So you know, I'm friends with alex But I don't

804
00:41:28,160 --> 00:41:30,520
Speaker 1: know very much about Indie racing, so I'm really looking

805
00:41:30,560 --> 00:41:33,720
Speaker 1: forward to learning and seeing what it's all about.

806
00:41:33,960 --> 00:41:35,520
Speaker 3: Dario used to race IndyCar.

807
00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:38,719
Speaker 1: Good point, good point.

808
00:41:38,920 --> 00:41:39,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, I love Dart.

809
00:41:40,360 --> 00:41:45,240
Speaker 3: Yeah all right, well that's awesome. I I was supposed

810
00:41:45,280 --> 00:41:48,880
Speaker 3: to go to the beach with my kids for a

811
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Speaker 3: long weekend. It is a long weekend, right yeah, moriial day,

812
00:41:52,400 --> 00:41:58,120
Speaker 3: right yeah, But my buddies at BMW are dropping off

813
00:41:58,280 --> 00:42:03,440
Speaker 3: an M two CS at my house today, and I

814
00:42:03,520 --> 00:42:06,279
Speaker 3: kind of want to just ask my wife if I

815
00:42:06,280 --> 00:42:09,919
Speaker 3: can have a pass and just spend the weekend driving it,

816
00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:12,879
Speaker 3: because have you seen the M two CS. It's got

817
00:42:12,920 --> 00:42:17,040
Speaker 3: this little ductail that's additional that the base M two

818
00:42:17,080 --> 00:42:21,759
Speaker 3: doesn't have, and it looks freaking awesome. Like I am

819
00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:23,520
Speaker 3: not one of the people who hated the redesign. I

820
00:42:23,600 --> 00:42:28,160
Speaker 3: really liked the redesign of the M two And although

821
00:42:28,200 --> 00:42:32,040
Speaker 3: you can't get a manual transmission with the CS, I'm

822
00:42:32,120 --> 00:42:34,359
Speaker 3: really I mean it's a little rocket ship. I can't

823
00:42:34,360 --> 00:42:35,719
Speaker 3: wait to get into it. And by the way, I'm

824
00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:38,200
Speaker 3: looking at M two's online, looking at you know, with

825
00:42:38,239 --> 00:42:41,960
Speaker 3: a stick you can get two or three year old

826
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Speaker 3: M two with a stick and like ten or fifteen

827
00:42:46,200 --> 00:42:48,640
Speaker 3: thousand miles still for like sixty grand.

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00:42:49,239 --> 00:42:50,280
Speaker 2: It's so cheap.

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Speaker 3: And I mean relative to for example, a nine to eleven,

830
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Speaker 3: like same year, same horsepower, same you know, manual transmission

831
00:43:00,040 --> 00:43:01,480
Speaker 3: set up with a nine to eleven is going to

832
00:43:01,560 --> 00:43:06,000
Speaker 3: cost you at least double, if not triple, what you're

833
00:43:06,040 --> 00:43:09,080
Speaker 3: paying for the M two. And other than the placement

834
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Speaker 3: of the engine, they kind of achieve the same purpose.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm I can't wait. I can't wait to hear

836
00:43:17,280 --> 00:43:20,840
Speaker 1: up all about it. I haven't I haven't been in

837
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Speaker 1: a BMW in months. Well, maybe I should knock on

838
00:43:25,120 --> 00:43:25,560
Speaker 1: their core.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'll tell I'll tell them when I when I

840
00:43:27,880 --> 00:43:31,160
Speaker 3: drop off the car after the after I put the

841
00:43:31,160 --> 00:43:33,919
Speaker 3: requisite five hundred miles on it. All right, Well, good,

842
00:43:34,040 --> 00:43:37,920
Speaker 3: have a great weekend, uh, and to all our listeners.

843
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847
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851
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Speaker 3: I gotta get down there at some point.

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Speaker 3: podcast feed again next week