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Speaker 1: Edith State is that?

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Speaker 1: Whoam and Dan and Tie.

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Speaker 2: Dan, rubertste welcome back. How does it feel to not

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Speaker 1: Preview on the side side. I'm under the impression today

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Speaker 1: Cast twenty twenty six league preview. And then you were like,

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Speaker 4: Well, look, it's funny you mentioned the pat League. I

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Speaker 1: Out, and then we have what the Pat League. Ivy's

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Speaker 2: Who isn't? Well, welcome back in trust ever baller. I

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Speaker 4: Here we are gonna get you, hopefully a little bit

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Speaker 4: from Pick six previews, Who's Gonna Stop by? Brett is

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Speaker 4: We're gonna have everybody listening to Brett. He does again.

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Speaker 4: Pick six Previews does an awesome job covering all of

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Speaker 3: Hey, Tyan Dan? Thanks for having me on. Yeh, the

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Speaker 4: would you absolutely?

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Speaker 2: Oh man, he's singing your language.

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Speaker 1: I mean it's everything to I mean, I think I'm

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Speaker 3: And it's funny when you see these coaches and media

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Speaker 2: My thing is that's called November. You know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 3: The games are on campus like everyone loves and their

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Speaker 4: Man, if we had a thirty team bracket, Dan, we

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Speaker 4: let me bring it back here to the reason that

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Speaker 4: So as we've been recording our previews since what the

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Speaker 4: Since you are the guest of honor, where have you

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Speaker 3: Well, every year there's a couple of these teams that

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Speaker 2: And the team this year is Illinois.

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Speaker 3: Okay, oh, team that had a special season last year,

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Speaker 3: but in my advanced numbers that doesn't project forward. They

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Speaker 3: I try and separate the two. You know, great season

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Speaker 3: Not many friends over there this year. That's one of them.

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Speaker 3: And other ones, smaller cases like SMU. I'm really selling

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Speaker 3: He's absolutely electric to watch. But when you look at

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Speaker 1: What is game Grader? You don't need to tell me

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Speaker 1: And where can game grader say? You know what they

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Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, Well, you know, I do all sixty eight

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Speaker 2: So that's really the key number. I have a couple

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Speaker 4: So one of my big second guessing slash. I don't

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Speaker 4: You know, I had them down as an eight and

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Speaker 4: They are less proven out wide this season, and I

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Speaker 2: You know a month ago, Dan, when we did these shows.

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Speaker 3: Here's some questions that Miami has is you know, last

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Speaker 3: Then they blew the game against Georgia Tech. But a

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Speaker 3: I was down in Tuscaloosa to see Georgia versus Alabama

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Speaker 3: Carson Becky threw three picks. He was seeing ghosts. They

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Speaker 2: Second half. It was like a Heisman candidate. So he's

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you're right that if they slow the pace down

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Speaker 3: about those two variables, if that clicks or not. So yeah,

437
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Speaker 3: I mean, like I said, from the other direction, I

438
00:20:06,560 --> 00:20:09,280
Speaker 3: started really high on Miami and I'm fading it back

439
00:20:09,280 --> 00:20:11,080
Speaker 3: to kind of meet you in the middle here.

440
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Speaker 4: Dan, do you have a team that or a couple

441
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Speaker 4: teams that you have looked at as you know, your

442
00:20:15,920 --> 00:20:18,639
Speaker 4: second guess in yourself. Now, in hindsight, it's not that

443
00:20:18,680 --> 00:20:21,800
Speaker 4: I'm second guessing per se. It's like I planted a

444
00:20:21,840 --> 00:20:25,480
Speaker 4: flag about Miszoo on our SEC preview, in large part

445
00:20:25,520 --> 00:20:27,720
Speaker 4: because of the schedule, in large part because they've been

446
00:20:27,920 --> 00:20:32,159
Speaker 4: quietly and consistently at least pretty good these past few years.

447
00:20:32,200 --> 00:20:36,160
Speaker 4: It seems they've lost some dumb games. There's just there's

448
00:20:36,240 --> 00:20:39,720
Speaker 4: so many transfers on this defense, even transfers who came

449
00:20:39,720 --> 00:20:42,240
Speaker 4: in last year and this year and are going to

450
00:20:42,280 --> 00:20:45,479
Speaker 4: be rotating in Couple that with bo Pribula, couple that

451
00:20:45,600 --> 00:20:48,400
Speaker 4: with an offense that took a step back in terms

452
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Speaker 4: of explosion last season.

453
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Speaker 1: I understand. I can visualize why Miszoo would be very

454
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Speaker 1: good this year regardless of schedule. But SEC is just tough, man.

455
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Speaker 1: The SEC is just like an average SEC team is

456
00:21:01,920 --> 00:21:05,159
Speaker 1: still any given week going to be very tough. And

457
00:21:05,240 --> 00:21:07,800
Speaker 1: so Miszoo has the capability to win a bunch of games,

458
00:21:07,800 --> 00:21:10,320
Speaker 1: but they still have the capability of you know, looking

459
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Speaker 1: like what they did against Texas A and M last year.

460
00:21:12,520 --> 00:21:15,080
Speaker 1: And I know, obviously Brady Cook had injury issues last year,

461
00:21:15,320 --> 00:21:17,200
Speaker 1: but that's the big one. They feel like they could

462
00:21:17,680 --> 00:21:21,920
Speaker 1: swing anywhere between you know, seven and five, ten and two,

463
00:21:22,320 --> 00:21:26,360
Speaker 1: six and six, Like there's a lot of varied outcomes

464
00:21:26,359 --> 00:21:29,040
Speaker 1: to me on this missoo schedule. Does that make any sense? Brett?

465
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Speaker 3: Yeah, And you know, talking about Illinois fans, Missouri fans

466
00:21:33,160 --> 00:21:35,160
Speaker 3: are all up in my comments too, because I did

467
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Speaker 3: not have them in the preseason top twenty five and

468
00:21:37,520 --> 00:21:40,119
Speaker 3: caught a lot of flak for that as well. I

469
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Speaker 3: agree with you with some of those concerns. I mean

470
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Speaker 3: the quarterback transition. Brady Cook, I mean he was a

471
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Speaker 3: Warrior last year. There was the game I think it

472
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Speaker 3: was Auburn one of those games. He was injured, went

473
00:21:50,040 --> 00:21:52,360
Speaker 3: to the hospital in the middle of the game, had

474
00:21:52,400 --> 00:21:54,840
Speaker 3: whatever procedure done, came back in the fourth quarter and

475
00:21:54,920 --> 00:21:55,840
Speaker 3: led the game winning drive.

476
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Speaker 2: I mean, absolute warrior. So yeah, you switch over to both.

477
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Speaker 3: Bulah, you got a little bit of play at Penn State,

478
00:22:02,520 --> 00:22:05,800
Speaker 3: but a three star recruit, it's unproven. And really what

479
00:22:05,880 --> 00:22:08,080
Speaker 3: made Missouri special the last couple of years was their

480
00:22:08,119 --> 00:22:10,919
Speaker 3: receiver corps, Luther Burden being the headliner. I mean, it

481
00:22:10,960 --> 00:22:13,720
Speaker 3: was five stars at a program that never really had

482
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Speaker 3: five stars. So you take away your quarterback and the

483
00:22:16,880 --> 00:22:19,600
Speaker 3: best position room, the receiver room, and it's a lot

484
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Speaker 3: of questions for me. So I've ended up fading Missouri too.

485
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Speaker 3: I had them twelfth in the SEC. You're right, it's

486
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Speaker 3: just such a competitive league. I mean, you know, who

487
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Speaker 3: are you going to put them above? In South Carolina

488
00:22:29,359 --> 00:22:32,479
Speaker 3: They're they're a legit top twenty five team, and Florida

489
00:22:32,520 --> 00:22:34,679
Speaker 3: and Oklahoma or Veteran and so it's just such a

490
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Speaker 3: deep league. I had to put somebody twelfth and put

491
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Speaker 3: Missouri down there.

492
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Speaker 4: My theory on MISSOO this year, Brett, is because of,

493
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Speaker 4: as you elluded, the receiver room and some of the

494
00:22:44,560 --> 00:22:48,760
Speaker 4: changes there. Because of Perbulah's skill set, which you know,

495
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Speaker 4: I feel like I saw enough of to understand what

496
00:22:51,680 --> 00:22:53,960
Speaker 4: he's all about in his limited action at Penn State.

497
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Speaker 4: It feels like they need to bring this offense more

498
00:22:56,840 --> 00:22:59,960
Speaker 4: into balance, if nothing more, run the ball a lot

499
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Speaker 4: more than we saw last season. Does that seem like

500
00:23:02,520 --> 00:23:05,360
Speaker 4: attracks what you've been previewing for MISSOO this year.

501
00:23:05,440 --> 00:23:07,920
Speaker 3: Well, think back two years ago. They had Cody Schrader.

502
00:23:07,920 --> 00:23:10,680
Speaker 3: This was a guy, a walk on Division two type guy,

503
00:23:10,760 --> 00:23:12,720
Speaker 3: a grinder, and he went for a ton of yards.

504
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Speaker 3: I think he got all first team All SEC. Last

505
00:23:15,920 --> 00:23:17,680
Speaker 3: year they didn't have that, so they were really the

506
00:23:17,720 --> 00:23:19,959
Speaker 3: pass heavy. The receiver room was the key feature.

507
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Speaker 2: They might go back to that.

508
00:23:21,160 --> 00:23:22,800
Speaker 3: Like you said, the run game, they brought in a guy,

509
00:23:22,800 --> 00:23:25,720
Speaker 3: a mad hardy from I think Louisiana. Monroe had a

510
00:23:25,720 --> 00:23:28,440
Speaker 3: ton of yards a lot after contact. He was getting

511
00:23:28,440 --> 00:23:30,040
Speaker 3: some ashton Gent comparisons.

512
00:23:30,400 --> 00:23:31,960
Speaker 2: So love to hear that.

513
00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:34,840
Speaker 3: If you're a Missouri fan, maybe get behind a big

514
00:23:34,880 --> 00:23:37,480
Speaker 3: offensive line and run the ball a bit more. So. Yeah,

515
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Speaker 3: that was one of the All Transfer You know, it's funny,

516
00:23:39,760 --> 00:23:42,120
Speaker 3: I have an All American team and All SEC team,

517
00:23:42,240 --> 00:23:45,280
Speaker 3: now an All transfer team because there's so much player.

518
00:23:45,040 --> 00:23:46,720
Speaker 2: Move you have to you have no choice, right.

519
00:23:46,880 --> 00:23:49,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, he got the All Transfer spot in the

520
00:23:49,560 --> 00:23:51,800
Speaker 3: SEC running back, so they got a good one there.

521
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Speaker 1: I'm curious because this isn't really a gambling angle, but

522
00:23:56,320 --> 00:23:59,159
Speaker 1: it just in terms of like who you should invest

523
00:23:59,520 --> 00:24:03,400
Speaker 1: interest in early on in the season. And I asked

524
00:24:03,480 --> 00:24:06,040
Speaker 1: this because one of my pet this. I guess it's

525
00:24:06,040 --> 00:24:08,879
Speaker 1: an acronym, right, but my QFB, my quest for boring

526
00:24:09,840 --> 00:24:12,679
Speaker 1: a lot of teams could simply be so much better

527
00:24:12,800 --> 00:24:15,959
Speaker 1: if they took care of boring things more often, right that,

528
00:24:16,160 --> 00:24:19,320
Speaker 1: like stay ahead of the sticks a little bit more often,

529
00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:22,840
Speaker 1: tackle a guy to make it fourth and two instead

530
00:24:22,840 --> 00:24:26,360
Speaker 1: of you know, fourth in inches, like they're just little things.

531
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Speaker 1: Who could who are your beneficiaries? When you look at

532
00:24:30,720 --> 00:24:32,920
Speaker 1: the teams that you've looked at this year across these

533
00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:35,800
Speaker 1: conferences that like, man, if they took care of such

534
00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:39,240
Speaker 1: boring things just a little bit more often, it seems

535
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Speaker 1: like it would make a world of difference.

536
00:24:41,880 --> 00:24:44,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, I've got two for you. One from the SEC

537
00:24:44,680 --> 00:24:46,960
Speaker 3: would be Auburn. And this is a team that in

538
00:24:47,040 --> 00:24:49,159
Speaker 3: my advanced stats which look at you know, the offense

539
00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:52,080
Speaker 3: and defense, their performances top twenty both sides of the

540
00:24:52,080 --> 00:24:55,080
Speaker 3: ball last year on offense and defense. Okay, how'd they go?

541
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Speaker 3: Five and seven? You look at it. It was the

542
00:24:57,840 --> 00:25:00,600
Speaker 3: worst field goal kicking in the country deadline. I think

543
00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:03,320
Speaker 3: it was like under fifty percent make. It was unbelievable.

544
00:25:03,480 --> 00:25:06,680
Speaker 3: Leaving all those points on the field. And then five

545
00:25:06,720 --> 00:25:10,600
Speaker 3: turnovers in a couple games, five turnovers against Cal five

546
00:25:10,600 --> 00:25:12,680
Speaker 3: turnovers another loss they had. So when you look back

547
00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:15,320
Speaker 3: at it, five and seven, but probably four of those

548
00:25:15,320 --> 00:25:18,639
Speaker 3: could have flipped the wins conservatively for them, flipped the

549
00:25:18,680 --> 00:25:20,120
Speaker 3: wins if they would have taken care of the ball

550
00:25:20,160 --> 00:25:22,600
Speaker 3: a bit and then made some chip shot field goals.

551
00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:24,959
Speaker 3: That's it. That's all that had to change. So on

552
00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:27,200
Speaker 3: top of that, they had a great recruiting class, another

553
00:25:27,280 --> 00:25:30,320
Speaker 3: round of transfers. The receiver room is absolutely loaded. I

554
00:25:30,320 --> 00:25:33,200
Speaker 3: think that my number two receiver group outside of Columbus.

555
00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:36,080
Speaker 3: And then they bring in a five star Jackson Arnold,

556
00:25:36,119 --> 00:25:38,199
Speaker 3: who I know he struggled to Oklahoma. I think there

557
00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:40,720
Speaker 3: were other problems there last year on offense. So a

558
00:25:40,760 --> 00:25:44,119
Speaker 3: second year SEC starter there with Arnold. So yeah, Auburn,

559
00:25:44,160 --> 00:25:45,480
Speaker 3: I think it's going to take a lot of steps

560
00:25:45,480 --> 00:25:47,360
Speaker 3: forward if they could just kick some field goals and

561
00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:51,359
Speaker 3: not turn the ball over five times. Similar to Nebraska

562
00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:52,040
Speaker 3: from the Big Ten.

563
00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:52,760
Speaker 2: This is a team.

564
00:25:52,800 --> 00:25:54,920
Speaker 3: If you watch them, they're shooting themselves in the foot

565
00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:57,880
Speaker 3: every game, every year for like a decade. I mean

566
00:25:58,200 --> 00:25:59,480
Speaker 3: I put a stat out there in the book a

567
00:25:59,480 --> 00:26:02,800
Speaker 3: couple years go, the turnover margin the last five years,

568
00:26:02,840 --> 00:26:05,080
Speaker 3: the last ten years, even going back to like the

569
00:26:05,119 --> 00:26:07,560
Speaker 3: Frank Solich era, they're dead last in America.

570
00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:09,280
Speaker 2: I don't know what the curse is out there.

571
00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:12,760
Speaker 3: You know, maybe by winning that ninety seven national title,

572
00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:14,480
Speaker 3: they just they sold their soul to the devil or

573
00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:18,399
Speaker 3: something crazy. Because the turnover look is unbelievable. So you

574
00:26:18,520 --> 00:26:20,480
Speaker 3: wonder is this the year that they finally get it

575
00:26:20,520 --> 00:26:23,320
Speaker 3: back on their side. I don't know, but they've gone

576
00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:25,840
Speaker 3: under their win total for ten straight years from Vegas.

577
00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:27,960
Speaker 3: Something's got to click there. So if they can just

578
00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:30,600
Speaker 3: take care of the football and get some better special

579
00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:33,920
Speaker 3: teams play. You know, they had a negative yardage punt

580
00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:35,720
Speaker 3: a couple of years ago. It's the stuff that doesn't

581
00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:38,960
Speaker 3: happen to other programs. It's all in Nebraska special teams.

582
00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:40,520
Speaker 2: And they clean that up. They should be eight and

583
00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:41,639
Speaker 2: four in that area.

584
00:26:42,760 --> 00:26:47,040
Speaker 1: I'm curious as for your your game grader, who from

585
00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:51,760
Speaker 1: last season had a record that wasn't necessarily indicative of

586
00:26:52,040 --> 00:26:56,239
Speaker 1: quality and that you are using that to sort of,

587
00:26:56,440 --> 00:26:59,520
Speaker 1: you know, extrapolate and push forward. Like, guys, this team

588
00:26:59,560 --> 00:27:02,880
Speaker 1: was actually pretty good last year. They couldn't get it done.

589
00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:05,720
Speaker 1: Maybe they weren't boring enough and so in I guess

590
00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:08,800
Speaker 1: that's the Auburn case. But like this team, Yeah they

591
00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:10,680
Speaker 1: went four and eight, but like they go nine to three,

592
00:27:10,800 --> 00:27:14,840
Speaker 1: no problem this year. Do you have any candidates for that? Yeah?

593
00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:16,600
Speaker 3: Well, on the negative side, I already hit on it

594
00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:19,480
Speaker 3: with Illinois. I think that was you know, ten and three.

595
00:27:19,560 --> 00:27:21,280
Speaker 3: That was not your typical ten win team if you

596
00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:24,199
Speaker 3: look at it statistically, the optimist angle, I would go

597
00:27:24,200 --> 00:27:26,680
Speaker 3: with USC, and I'm scared of saying this. I mean

598
00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:30,119
Speaker 3: talking about second guessing and hunching or hunches. I'm a

599
00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:32,720
Speaker 3: little worried about doing this. But USC they were seven

600
00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:34,919
Speaker 3: and five last year. I think all five are one

601
00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:37,280
Speaker 3: score losses. They were really close in a lot of games,

602
00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:39,280
Speaker 3: a lot of late leads in the fourth quarter that

603
00:27:39,320 --> 00:27:42,480
Speaker 3: were blown, and you wonder, I mean, you know that

604
00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:45,159
Speaker 3: projects four better. So in terms of game grader, they

605
00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:47,440
Speaker 3: were fifteenth in the country last year in game greater,

606
00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:50,800
Speaker 3: but seven and five overall, so something doesn't match up there.

607
00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:53,280
Speaker 3: I think they were better than the record showed. And

608
00:27:53,320 --> 00:27:55,520
Speaker 3: then when you project forward to twenty twenty five, again,

609
00:27:55,560 --> 00:27:58,040
Speaker 3: one of the biggest spenders in this nil market, you

610
00:27:58,080 --> 00:28:00,320
Speaker 3: know how expensive it is to go get these top trains.

611
00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:02,359
Speaker 2: I think they were number one or number two in

612
00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:05,679
Speaker 2: the Big ten and spending for that. So they're pumping

613
00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:06,159
Speaker 2: the roster.

614
00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:10,159
Speaker 3: Second year quarterback with Jade Mayava, second year coordinator on

615
00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:13,000
Speaker 3: defense with Danton Lynn. So I think they were better

616
00:28:13,040 --> 00:28:15,040
Speaker 3: than the record showed. I don't know who's going to

617
00:28:15,080 --> 00:28:17,200
Speaker 3: claim fourth place in this big ten. It's wide open.

618
00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:19,840
Speaker 3: I see a distinct three, but then I don't know

619
00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:21,640
Speaker 3: who to put it forth. I mean, I actually ended

620
00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:24,880
Speaker 3: up tying USC in Michigan. Both kind of have one

621
00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:26,960
Speaker 3: side of the ball figured out and they're working on

622
00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:29,800
Speaker 3: the other half. But I think USC is a candidate

623
00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:31,680
Speaker 3: for better than the record showed last year.

624
00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:32,439
Speaker 2: Should improve.

625
00:28:32,920 --> 00:28:35,800
Speaker 4: So I've got USC on my list. With respect to

626
00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:40,680
Speaker 4: second guessing. Second guessing YouTube commenters got after.

627
00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:43,760
Speaker 1: You time, Well, they did, they did, they did.

628
00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:45,960
Speaker 2: Listen, I'm a human. Two.

629
00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:48,280
Speaker 4: I have to be real with the for baller hood.

630
00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:50,840
Speaker 4: I made a comment that I think this team is

631
00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:53,640
Speaker 4: worse this year, and I caught a lot of flak

632
00:28:53,720 --> 00:28:56,200
Speaker 4: for that. I think the defense will be better because

633
00:28:56,200 --> 00:28:58,200
Speaker 4: I believe in Dan Lynn. I think he's the real deal.

634
00:28:58,520 --> 00:29:00,400
Speaker 4: I believe in the receivers. I think they've got an

635
00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:03,960
Speaker 4: incredible tandem to wide receivers. I'm really not sure about

636
00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:04,440
Speaker 4: the rest of it.

637
00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:04,840
Speaker 2: Brett.

638
00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:08,080
Speaker 4: You know, and I take your point, and you probably

639
00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:10,600
Speaker 4: know better than I with respect to you know who

640
00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:12,600
Speaker 4: they're bringing in and how that fits in from a

641
00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:15,360
Speaker 4: personnel standpoint, given the packages they want to run and

642
00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:17,240
Speaker 4: the schemes that are at play and all that. But

643
00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:21,560
Speaker 4: I guess maybe what I am speaking more to is

644
00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:25,360
Speaker 4: some uncertainty around Mayava, who I think is a great

645
00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:28,240
Speaker 4: athlete and a lot of fun to watch, but has

646
00:29:28,280 --> 00:29:30,640
Speaker 4: to definitely sand over some of those rougher edges in

647
00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:32,520
Speaker 4: his game if they want to take that next step.

648
00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:35,440
Speaker 4: I am a little bit spooked by the fact that

649
00:29:36,520 --> 00:29:39,480
Speaker 4: they are reaching out to smaller schools to plug holes

650
00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:42,640
Speaker 4: maybe along the line, maybe in the backfield. That might

651
00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:46,000
Speaker 4: not be fair because as we talked about with Oregon,

652
00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:52,240
Speaker 4: they're all world left tackle. Literally a world is from Nevada, right,

653
00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:55,200
Speaker 4: So it's not fair maybe to look down on smaller

654
00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:56,920
Speaker 4: schools the way that I think I did when I

655
00:29:56,920 --> 00:29:59,719
Speaker 4: talked about USC, But that creeps me out a little bit.

656
00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:03,680
Speaker 4: USC be better than that, not having to go down

657
00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:06,120
Speaker 4: a level to bring guys up to plug those holes.

658
00:30:06,840 --> 00:30:08,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's some valid critiques here.

659
00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:10,360
Speaker 3: That's why again I was torn about who to even

660
00:30:10,360 --> 00:30:13,280
Speaker 3: put fourth place with my Ava. I don't know, is

661
00:30:13,320 --> 00:30:16,360
Speaker 3: he really a Lincoln Riley quarterback? Is he a five

662
00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:18,320
Speaker 3: star Blue Chipper? Is going to go in the first

663
00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:19,760
Speaker 3: round and push for a Heisman?

664
00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:22,160
Speaker 2: I don't know. I think that's still an uncertainty, But

665
00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:23,240
Speaker 2: do they need that?

666
00:30:23,280 --> 00:30:26,000
Speaker 4: I guess the counterpoint would be, we've seen that from

667
00:30:26,080 --> 00:30:28,640
Speaker 4: Lincoln Riley teams before and that's sort of his calling card.

668
00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:31,360
Speaker 4: But if there is enough talent out there, and if

669
00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:33,920
Speaker 4: the defense does take a step forward, do they need

670
00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:35,400
Speaker 4: Mayava to be a Heisman candidate?

671
00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:38,680
Speaker 2: Well, okay, I think at receiver, I agree that they're stacked.

672
00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:40,360
Speaker 3: I mean, they have a couple of Blue Chippers in there,

673
00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:44,040
Speaker 3: Makai Lemon, Jacobe Land. They actually stole Utah's number one

674
00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:46,560
Speaker 3: receiver after springball, you know, witting him, goes out, he

675
00:30:46,600 --> 00:30:49,120
Speaker 3: calls Zacharias Williams, he's our number one. We're going to

676
00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:51,200
Speaker 3: build the offense around him. Then he leaves the next

677
00:30:51,280 --> 00:30:53,640
Speaker 3: day for USC. So I think they're set at receiver.

678
00:30:54,040 --> 00:30:55,880
Speaker 3: But I'll agree with you there at running back and

679
00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:58,400
Speaker 3: offensive line. Running back gad to go to the juco level.

680
00:30:59,320 --> 00:31:01,880
Speaker 3: And then at the offensive line. Yeah, they got Syracuse's

681
00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:05,160
Speaker 3: center Reid, and then a couple other transfers that were

682
00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:07,360
Speaker 3: not former Blue Chippers. They were like two star, three

683
00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:09,840
Speaker 3: star guys from high school. So you wouldn't really expect

684
00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:12,520
Speaker 3: that from USC, you know. And I just want Lincoln

685
00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:15,120
Speaker 3: Riley to win enough this year to survive to be

686
00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:17,520
Speaker 3: able to then coach the twenty twenty six recruiting class

687
00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:19,080
Speaker 3: because I don't know if you saw, I know, really

688
00:31:19,120 --> 00:31:21,440
Speaker 3: early in that cycle, but number one in the country

689
00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:25,480
Speaker 3: recruiting ranking next year hopefully they hopefully they hold on

690
00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:27,240
Speaker 3: to that and finish in the top five and maybe

691
00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:29,160
Speaker 3: that could be a turning point for the whole program.

692
00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:31,320
Speaker 2: But they got to do enough to get to that point.

693
00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:33,480
Speaker 3: I don't think any USC fan would have signed up

694
00:31:33,520 --> 00:31:35,880
Speaker 3: for seven and five and losing in the Las Vegas

695
00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:37,880
Speaker 3: Bowl by year three, So they got to get it

696
00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:40,400
Speaker 3: turned around. And there's definitely some valid critiques there on

697
00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:41,600
Speaker 3: the offensive line running back.

698
00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:43,840
Speaker 1: They did win the Vegas Bowl, to be clear, they

699
00:31:43,840 --> 00:31:46,000
Speaker 1: did come back and win that Vegas Bawl at the

700
00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:48,240
Speaker 1: w Yeah, yeah, they came back and beat A and M.

701
00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:49,320
Speaker 1: But yeah, point taken.

702
00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:52,160
Speaker 4: The other team that I feel I might have been

703
00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:55,440
Speaker 4: too harshawn was Arizona. And this is not to say

704
00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:57,360
Speaker 4: that Arizona is going to make some dark horse run

705
00:31:57,360 --> 00:31:57,960
Speaker 4: at the Big twelve.

706
00:31:58,000 --> 00:31:59,240
Speaker 2: I'm not saying.

707
00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:02,360
Speaker 4: That, but I do think that there is at least

708
00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:05,760
Speaker 4: a little bit more structure now with how Brent Brennan

709
00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:06,640
Speaker 4: is running the system.

710
00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:06,800
Speaker 2: Like.

711
00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:09,960
Speaker 4: One thing that became apparent to me after doing our

712
00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:13,400
Speaker 4: preview was that Noah Fafida was kind of on his

713
00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:15,880
Speaker 4: own last year. They didn't have a dedicated quarterback coach.

714
00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:18,400
Speaker 4: This year, you know, regardless of how we feel about

715
00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:21,440
Speaker 4: Seth Daggy, there is definitely a little bit more attention

716
00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:24,360
Speaker 4: on Noah Fafeda, on trying to give him structure and

717
00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:26,960
Speaker 4: trying to move things forward. It sounds more broadly like

718
00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:29,800
Speaker 4: Brent Brennan tried to run Arizona the way he ran

719
00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:33,320
Speaker 4: San Jose State, and they're very different programs. So I

720
00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:35,720
Speaker 4: think I discounted maybe the structure that he's put in

721
00:32:35,760 --> 00:32:38,720
Speaker 4: place now, and I discounted the fact that there could

722
00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:42,080
Speaker 4: be some sort of second year coach boost that, you know,

723
00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:44,280
Speaker 4: maybe in the haze of the middle of the night

724
00:32:44,280 --> 00:32:46,160
Speaker 4: when I'm putting all the stuff together, I didn't quite

725
00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:49,120
Speaker 4: see for the Cats. Again, they're not going ten and two,

726
00:32:49,680 --> 00:32:51,360
Speaker 4: But I think I might have been a little too

727
00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:54,720
Speaker 4: low on them, given the fact that perhaps there has

728
00:32:54,760 --> 00:32:57,800
Speaker 4: been some change going on behind the scenes with Arizona.

729
00:32:57,880 --> 00:33:00,000
Speaker 3: I've got them projected towards the bottom of a conference

730
00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:02,400
Speaker 3: but to your point, you know, all throughout my magazine,

731
00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:04,200
Speaker 3: my book, on the radio, I'm always talking about that

732
00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:07,400
Speaker 3: second year bonus. I mean I brought up with USC coordinator,

733
00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:11,320
Speaker 3: bonus quarterback, bonus head coach. So I did also overlook

734
00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:13,320
Speaker 3: that with Arizona. I really gave them no benefit of

735
00:33:13,320 --> 00:33:15,720
Speaker 3: the doubt. They're having a second year bonus with Brent Brennan.

736
00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:17,960
Speaker 3: Who knows, maybe they do get some you know, catch

737
00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:21,120
Speaker 3: some fire. The pessimist angle would be they keep losing

738
00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:23,400
Speaker 3: their best players to the portal, a lot of them

739
00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:26,440
Speaker 3: going north to Seattle to follow their old coach, Jed Fish.

740
00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:28,240
Speaker 3: He took a good round of them the first time

741
00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:30,840
Speaker 3: in twenty twenty four, and then another round this year.

742
00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:34,480
Speaker 3: I mean Jonah Coleman, they're running back, Jacob Manu, they're

743
00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:38,000
Speaker 3: all conference linebacker both, they're all conference corners with Price

744
00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:40,800
Speaker 3: Sock and Tacario Davis. It just seems like a one

745
00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:43,760
Speaker 3: way portal from Tucson up to Seattle.

746
00:33:43,800 --> 00:33:44,640
Speaker 2: So that worries me.

747
00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:47,080
Speaker 3: And I don't think they backfilled enough, you know, all right,

748
00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:49,520
Speaker 3: so you lose your starters and your stars to Seattle.

749
00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:51,800
Speaker 3: In Washington, did they bring anybody in?

750
00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:53,720
Speaker 2: And that's where I'm starting to worry with Arizona.

751
00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:56,400
Speaker 3: So yeah, again, I don't see them competing for a

752
00:33:56,400 --> 00:33:58,680
Speaker 3: Bowl or anything, but maybe they do get a bonus

753
00:33:58,680 --> 00:33:59,400
Speaker 3: their second year.

754
00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:02,400
Speaker 4: Do you have any teams that you're second guessing now

755
00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:04,040
Speaker 4: that you've put the publication out.

756
00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:07,120
Speaker 3: Well, at the top of the SEC, I know that,

757
00:34:07,360 --> 00:34:09,399
Speaker 3: you know. I like to dig into the random teams too,

758
00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:10,680
Speaker 3: but I mean sometimes the teams at.

759
00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:11,479
Speaker 2: The top you got to cover.

760
00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:15,920
Speaker 3: And with Texas, Bama, Georgia, this trio, I really like Alabama.

761
00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:19,120
Speaker 3: I have them playing in Atlanta in the SEC title game.

762
00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:21,360
Speaker 3: I like what they brought back. I like their coordinator,

763
00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:24,480
Speaker 3: change everything. So Bama I'm set on. It's this Texas

764
00:34:24,520 --> 00:34:26,759
Speaker 3: Georgia debate that I'm kind of flipping on. All of

765
00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:29,480
Speaker 3: a sudden, I put Texas to win the conference. I

766
00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:32,120
Speaker 3: had them above Georgia and I penciled them in up there,

767
00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:34,440
Speaker 3: and now I'm starting to wonder, did we overseell Georgia.

768
00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:36,520
Speaker 3: I mean, this is a team that's been kind of

769
00:34:36,680 --> 00:34:39,920
Speaker 3: a mini dynasty recently. But what caught my eye was

770
00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:42,560
Speaker 3: I was building out what I call my advanced rosters. Basically,

771
00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:45,160
Speaker 3: it's a too deep where I color code a all

772
00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:47,480
Speaker 3: where they a four star, a five star if they

773
00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:50,480
Speaker 3: were a transfer where they come from where they all conference. Anyway,

774
00:34:50,560 --> 00:34:53,840
Speaker 3: like a visual too deep. And I'm going through Georgia

775
00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:56,280
Speaker 3: and there's eleven five stars on the defense alone.

776
00:34:56,320 --> 00:34:57,520
Speaker 2: I mean, that's unbelievable.

777
00:34:57,640 --> 00:34:59,360
Speaker 3: I don't even think there's eleven five stars in the

778
00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:02,000
Speaker 3: whole AC year, the Big twelve combined. It's like the

779
00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:05,200
Speaker 3: talent that has stockpiled at Georgia, especially on their defense.

780
00:35:05,560 --> 00:35:08,200
Speaker 3: I think I might have overlooked right in the preview magazine.

781
00:35:08,239 --> 00:35:11,080
Speaker 3: So I do have them fifth nationally, but maybe they

782
00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:14,160
Speaker 3: should be one of those teams playing in Atlanta because

783
00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:16,520
Speaker 3: Texas has their concerns too. You know, I penciled in

784
00:35:16,560 --> 00:35:18,560
Speaker 3: Texas to win it. A lot of people did, and

785
00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:21,239
Speaker 3: maybe without really thinking too deeply on it. They lose

786
00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:24,520
Speaker 3: four offensive line starters, they lose five NFL draft picks

787
00:35:24,520 --> 00:35:27,480
Speaker 3: off the defense, they lose a Thorpe winner, which JEDB.

788
00:35:27,560 --> 00:35:27,880
Speaker 2: Barron.

789
00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:31,759
Speaker 3: They're resetting in a lot of spots, So maybe we

790
00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:33,480
Speaker 3: were too quick to just put Texas there at the

791
00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:35,960
Speaker 3: top team that lost to Georgia twice last year, by

792
00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:38,920
Speaker 3: the way, So that's one I'm starting to regret, and

793
00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:40,640
Speaker 3: I have to see in all those blue chips on

794
00:35:40,680 --> 00:35:42,799
Speaker 3: paper starting to worry about Georgia.

795
00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:46,439
Speaker 1: When you look around the sport right now. Actually, let's

796
00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:49,000
Speaker 1: I want to drill down to the Big Twelve. The

797
00:35:49,080 --> 00:35:52,360
Speaker 1: Big Twelve had a champion who was picked to finish

798
00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:55,759
Speaker 1: in last place last season. You mentioned the rosters that

799
00:35:55,840 --> 00:35:58,879
Speaker 1: have four stars and five stars or all conference transfers.

800
00:35:59,200 --> 00:36:01,680
Speaker 1: The Big Twelve doesn't recruit in the way that the

801
00:36:01,719 --> 00:36:04,520
Speaker 1: SEC and Big Ten do. It's incredibly entertaining, it's high

802
00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:08,640
Speaker 1: quality football. How do you sort out a conference that

803
00:36:09,120 --> 00:36:14,080
Speaker 1: each team has very specific flaws, nobody truly separates themselves,

804
00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:18,240
Speaker 1: or no three teams truly separate themselves from a recruiting standpoint?

805
00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:22,000
Speaker 1: How do you evaluate a conference like that and sort

806
00:36:22,040 --> 00:36:23,640
Speaker 1: out teams addor near the top.

807
00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:27,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, it's my fourteenth year doing Pick six previews.

808
00:36:27,080 --> 00:36:29,040
Speaker 3: I think this is the most wide open conference of

809
00:36:29,080 --> 00:36:32,240
Speaker 3: them all over fourteen years, and it's just it's crazy.

810
00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:34,440
Speaker 3: So the coaches did a poll at Media Days and

811
00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:37,719
Speaker 3: they picked Kansas State versus Iowa State as their championship game.

812
00:36:38,040 --> 00:36:40,120
Speaker 3: And I looked and I have them sixth and seventh

813
00:36:40,160 --> 00:36:42,520
Speaker 3: in the Big Twelve. So out both of the outside

814
00:36:42,560 --> 00:36:44,680
Speaker 3: my top five. That's how wide open it is. You

815
00:36:44,680 --> 00:36:46,680
Speaker 3: could argue seven or eight teams to win this thing,

816
00:36:46,719 --> 00:36:49,240
Speaker 3: and they each have the little thirty second elevator pitch,

817
00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:53,480
Speaker 3: like you said, pros and cons for both. With Arizona State,

818
00:36:53,520 --> 00:36:56,120
Speaker 3: that's where I ultimately went with. And you know it

819
00:36:56,200 --> 00:36:57,840
Speaker 3: might be some chalk, but you look it back at

820
00:36:57,920 --> 00:37:00,680
Speaker 3: last year advanced stats wise, they were. They were a

821
00:37:00,719 --> 00:37:04,080
Speaker 3: real conference champion. They bring back twenty starters. I know

822
00:37:04,120 --> 00:37:06,560
Speaker 3: they lose Camp Scataboo, the do it all running back,

823
00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:09,240
Speaker 3: but really everybody's back. You got a first round draft

824
00:37:09,239 --> 00:37:12,560
Speaker 3: grade at quarterback a lot to like from Arizona State.

825
00:37:12,680 --> 00:37:14,799
Speaker 2: So that was my pick. But then from there, I mean,

826
00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:16,200
Speaker 2: Texas Tech is a mystery.

827
00:37:16,239 --> 00:37:19,040
Speaker 3: They bring in all this this oil money funding and

828
00:37:19,080 --> 00:37:22,000
Speaker 3: they signed the top transfer class in the country, twelve

829
00:37:22,040 --> 00:37:23,680
Speaker 3: Blue Chippers a Texas Tech they sign.

830
00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:25,600
Speaker 2: That's more than the rest of the conference combined.

831
00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:29,600
Speaker 3: So that's your talent. Play Kennet Jel, Kennet Jell quick enough,

832
00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:32,239
Speaker 3: that's the deal. But I had that have them strong

833
00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:34,720
Speaker 3: enough to play Arizona State in the conference title game,

834
00:37:35,120 --> 00:37:37,440
Speaker 3: and then real quickly, I mean Baylor, you could argue them.

835
00:37:37,480 --> 00:37:39,879
Speaker 3: They they call fire over the second half of the year,

836
00:37:40,200 --> 00:37:42,840
Speaker 3: won seven straight. They bring back pretty much the whole roster.

837
00:37:43,520 --> 00:37:46,319
Speaker 3: Ken Dave Randa works some magic on defense he has

838
00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:49,719
Speaker 3: in the past. That's his forte Utah, you know they're

839
00:37:49,760 --> 00:37:53,640
Speaker 3: reloading on offense, bringing in a whole new scheme. Devin

840
00:37:53,719 --> 00:37:56,840
Speaker 3: dan Pire electric to watch. He's very elusive in the pocket.

841
00:37:57,520 --> 00:38:00,239
Speaker 3: Should get some stable quarterback play that's been missing due

842
00:38:00,239 --> 00:38:02,560
Speaker 3: to injury at Utah for so long. So those are

843
00:38:02,600 --> 00:38:05,920
Speaker 3: my top four. TCU is a wildcard. I like Kansas

844
00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:08,120
Speaker 3: State and Iowa State as well. But again, you could

845
00:38:08,160 --> 00:38:10,879
Speaker 3: pick one out of eight teams to win this thing,

846
00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:14,080
Speaker 3: and it's fascinating. So you don't have a top ten team,

847
00:38:14,360 --> 00:38:16,400
Speaker 3: a lot of top forty, a lot of top twenty

848
00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:18,640
Speaker 3: five caliber, so it makes for great football.

849
00:38:18,680 --> 00:38:19,840
Speaker 2: I love watching this conference.

850
00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:23,759
Speaker 4: To what end do you take talent into account when

851
00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:27,600
Speaker 4: you're putting together projection projections, putting together previews, because you

852
00:38:27,600 --> 00:38:30,759
Speaker 4: know it certainly has a place. Not everybody hits, I know,

853
00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:33,479
Speaker 4: but latter friend Bud has the blue Chip ratio, which

854
00:38:33,880 --> 00:38:36,880
Speaker 4: has been sort of like a staple metric in college

855
00:38:36,880 --> 00:38:40,759
Speaker 4: football circles for a good while. Now, but like, how

856
00:38:40,760 --> 00:38:45,280
Speaker 4: do you incorporate that into whatever calculations you are running

857
00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:45,759
Speaker 4: on your end.

858
00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:49,359
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, it's important, It's very important. I would say

859
00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:52,440
Speaker 3: recruiting and talent acquisition. That's really the backbone of a program.

860
00:38:52,560 --> 00:38:54,880
Speaker 3: And if you want to win national titles or win conferences,

861
00:38:54,920 --> 00:38:57,200
Speaker 3: you have to have great recruiting. That's the starting point,

862
00:38:57,400 --> 00:39:00,600
Speaker 3: or nowadays great transfer activity. Look at old Men, look

863
00:39:00,600 --> 00:39:03,280
Speaker 3: at Texas Tech, that kind of thing. So it's definitely

864
00:39:03,320 --> 00:39:05,160
Speaker 3: a starting point. But I don't end there. I think

865
00:39:05,160 --> 00:39:07,239
Speaker 3: a lot of a lot of people like to put

866
00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:09,759
Speaker 3: way too much emphasis on just the recruiting. I think

867
00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:11,560
Speaker 3: you need to have schemes that work, You need to

868
00:39:11,600 --> 00:39:15,520
Speaker 3: have stability with the coaching staff. Nowadays it's roster retention,

869
00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:18,400
Speaker 3: not just recruiting, but can you keep the recruits on campus.

870
00:39:19,040 --> 00:39:22,239
Speaker 3: Talk to head coaches, talk to coordinators about recruiting and transfers,

871
00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:25,399
Speaker 3: and they start out with the day after the season.

872
00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:28,320
Speaker 3: They're recruiting their own players. They're recruiting their own starters,

873
00:39:28,520 --> 00:39:32,280
Speaker 3: re recruiting them to stay on campus. So the retention

874
00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:34,880
Speaker 3: game has become a new facet of college football.

875
00:39:35,120 --> 00:39:36,520
Speaker 2: So I think recruiting is important.

876
00:39:36,600 --> 00:39:40,000
Speaker 3: It's the starting point, but then schemes that work retention,

877
00:39:40,400 --> 00:39:42,600
Speaker 3: and then you got to got to go player develop

878
00:39:42,600 --> 00:39:45,000
Speaker 3: and all that. So I'd say it's crucial, but not

879
00:39:45,080 --> 00:39:47,600
Speaker 3: the only piece, and it definitely factors in, but there's

880
00:39:47,600 --> 00:39:48,359
Speaker 3: a lot more to it.

881
00:39:49,239 --> 00:39:51,920
Speaker 2: Do you like have to redo your preview eight times?

882
00:39:52,520 --> 00:39:53,600
Speaker 2: Like when do you start this?

883
00:39:54,120 --> 00:39:57,759
Speaker 4: And I mean seriously, because we have so much activity

884
00:39:57,800 --> 00:39:59,960
Speaker 4: that goes on even in the spring window. I mean,

885
00:40:01,200 --> 00:40:03,520
Speaker 4: I don't need to know the whole process, but how

886
00:40:03,560 --> 00:40:07,160
Speaker 4: often are you redoing some of these team previews because

887
00:40:07,200 --> 00:40:10,800
Speaker 4: of late action in the portal or just otherwise?

888
00:40:10,960 --> 00:40:15,000
Speaker 2: College football is so fluid. I'm calling it the retslof test.

889
00:40:15,160 --> 00:40:17,800
Speaker 3: And it was whether your magazine and preview was able

890
00:40:17,800 --> 00:40:19,520
Speaker 3: to get that in there, and mine, I think was

891
00:40:19,560 --> 00:40:21,520
Speaker 3: the only one to have it in of course, with

892
00:40:21,719 --> 00:40:25,480
Speaker 3: the BYU starting quarterback Jake Rhetslof leaving campus mid July,

893
00:40:26,280 --> 00:40:28,640
Speaker 3: all the magazines had already been printed and they got them,

894
00:40:28,680 --> 00:40:30,759
Speaker 3: you know, on the all Big twelve team and got

895
00:40:30,800 --> 00:40:33,320
Speaker 3: BYU in the top ten. And I end up catching

896
00:40:33,360 --> 00:40:36,400
Speaker 3: that the day before I published the twenty twenty five editions, so.

897
00:40:36,680 --> 00:40:37,520
Speaker 2: I have him out of there.

898
00:40:37,520 --> 00:40:39,600
Speaker 3: I have bear Bachmeyer the New four Star as their

899
00:40:39,640 --> 00:40:43,160
Speaker 3: starting quarterback, and so that was a you know, I'm

900
00:40:43,239 --> 00:40:45,440
Speaker 3: later in the game than others, but that's it's a

901
00:40:45,440 --> 00:40:47,000
Speaker 3: pro and acon I mean, I use it to my

902
00:40:47,040 --> 00:40:49,480
Speaker 3: advantage to try and be up to date. But it's

903
00:40:49,480 --> 00:40:51,400
Speaker 3: such a long process. I think back to when I

904
00:40:51,480 --> 00:40:54,040
Speaker 3: launched US in twenty twelve. It was very simple. In

905
00:40:54,080 --> 00:40:56,279
Speaker 3: twenty twelve. Think back, you had a BCS, you had

906
00:40:56,320 --> 00:40:58,680
Speaker 3: something called the Big East. It was a simpler time,

907
00:40:59,120 --> 00:41:00,799
Speaker 3: and what you would do you would just have your

908
00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:03,920
Speaker 3: recruiting rankings, your returning starters, and that's it. Maybe a

909
00:41:03,960 --> 00:41:06,040
Speaker 3: couple guys that went pro early, but that was pretty

910
00:41:06,120 --> 00:41:09,160
Speaker 3: much the formula nowadays. To answer your question, I mean,

911
00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:12,640
Speaker 3: it's kind of a writing in March, a rewriting in April,

912
00:41:12,840 --> 00:41:15,520
Speaker 3: and then a final writing in July. There are the

913
00:41:15,560 --> 00:41:19,320
Speaker 3: transfer portal windows in December and April the post spring window.

914
00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:21,440
Speaker 3: But there are times where I have to throw out

915
00:41:21,440 --> 00:41:23,759
Speaker 3: the entire draft. I mean, I think about Colorado a

916
00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:26,640
Speaker 3: couple of years back. I wrote their team three of

917
00:41:26,680 --> 00:41:28,680
Speaker 3: you up. I thought it was great in April, and

918
00:41:28,719 --> 00:41:30,440
Speaker 3: then again I had to just throw the whole thing

919
00:41:30,520 --> 00:41:32,640
Speaker 3: in the trash and just start over because like seventy

920
00:41:32,680 --> 00:41:36,560
Speaker 3: players transferred out, So it's way more at its it's

921
00:41:36,640 --> 00:41:39,600
Speaker 3: complicated if by you know, tenfold, but I do think

922
00:41:40,320 --> 00:41:40,960
Speaker 3: you know to spend.

923
00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:42,520
Speaker 2: I think it makes for a better product.

924
00:41:42,560 --> 00:41:44,319
Speaker 3: I think it makes for a more valuable resource to

925
00:41:44,360 --> 00:41:47,200
Speaker 3: the reader because it's hard to follow not only your

926
00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:49,960
Speaker 3: own team, but your opponent's teams, your teams and your conference.

927
00:41:50,360 --> 00:41:53,000
Speaker 3: So once August hits, people were like, you know, who's

928
00:41:53,040 --> 00:41:54,880
Speaker 3: even on my roster? Who are these players? So with

929
00:41:54,960 --> 00:41:57,520
Speaker 3: the preview magazine here you can go through it. It's

930
00:41:57,600 --> 00:41:59,719
Speaker 3: very readable. You can see who left, who's coming in,

931
00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:01,880
Speaker 3: which ones matter? You know, you can just say that

932
00:42:01,880 --> 00:42:04,719
Speaker 3: they have ten transfers, are they good players, how they

933
00:42:04,760 --> 00:42:07,640
Speaker 3: do with their last school, how are they greated as transfers.

934
00:42:07,640 --> 00:42:10,400
Speaker 3: So it's complicated things a lot, but I think that

935
00:42:10,440 --> 00:42:11,960
Speaker 3: makes for a more valuable product here.

936
00:42:12,440 --> 00:42:14,799
Speaker 4: So with respect to the game grader that I know

937
00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:17,240
Speaker 4: Dan asked about, and you've mentioned a couple times over here,

938
00:42:17,880 --> 00:42:21,600
Speaker 4: you said that it has predictive qualities, what are those

939
00:42:21,680 --> 00:42:26,120
Speaker 4: qualities with respect to Week one in twenty twenty five.

940
00:42:26,239 --> 00:42:28,279
Speaker 4: Because it's a loaded slate, there are a bunch of

941
00:42:28,360 --> 00:42:31,759
Speaker 4: ranked matchups. I think the headliners. The obvious headliner at

942
00:42:31,840 --> 00:42:35,560
Speaker 4: least on the first Saturday is Texas at Ohio State.

943
00:42:35,600 --> 00:42:37,239
Speaker 4: But we got a bunch of these games now. So

944
00:42:37,840 --> 00:42:40,120
Speaker 4: as you are looking forward, because I know you do

945
00:42:40,239 --> 00:42:44,120
Speaker 4: work in season as well, what are your numbers saying

946
00:42:44,200 --> 00:42:47,640
Speaker 4: about what this slate looks like in Week one?

947
00:42:47,760 --> 00:42:49,480
Speaker 2: Where is your eye drawn? Yeah?

948
00:42:49,520 --> 00:42:51,800
Speaker 3: Well even with Week zero, I like that Farmer Gedden

949
00:42:51,880 --> 00:42:55,000
Speaker 3: game that Kansas State Iowa State. I like Kansas State

950
00:42:55,040 --> 00:42:57,160
Speaker 3: minus two and a half there or minus three wherever

951
00:42:57,200 --> 00:42:59,799
Speaker 3: you get at a field goal spread neutral sites, so

952
00:43:00,120 --> 00:43:02,920
Speaker 3: throw the home field advantage out. But I think Kansas

953
00:43:02,960 --> 00:43:05,080
Speaker 3: State's a more proven product this year. I know Iowa

954
00:43:05,120 --> 00:43:07,160
Speaker 3: State was picked by many, picked by the coaches in

955
00:43:07,200 --> 00:43:09,440
Speaker 3: the conference to win it. I just don't see if

956
00:43:09,520 --> 00:43:12,160
Speaker 3: Iowa State they lose a lot from that defense. They're

957
00:43:12,200 --> 00:43:14,600
Speaker 3: a team that win, they're veteran, they're very strong, but

958
00:43:14,800 --> 00:43:16,200
Speaker 3: I think they're kind of going through a little bit

959
00:43:16,239 --> 00:43:19,400
Speaker 3: of a transition. The receivers are gone, a couple of

960
00:43:19,400 --> 00:43:21,800
Speaker 3: pieces from the offensive line, a lot of the defense gone.

961
00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:24,000
Speaker 3: So I like Kansas State there in the Week zero

962
00:43:24,200 --> 00:43:28,200
Speaker 3: kickoff game. Some other ones from Week one, Nebraska minus

963
00:43:28,239 --> 00:43:31,120
Speaker 3: six and a half, against Cincinnati. I think Nebraska took

964
00:43:31,120 --> 00:43:33,319
Speaker 3: a lot of steps forward here on their offensive line

965
00:43:33,360 --> 00:43:36,160
Speaker 3: and their receivers from the transfer portal, trying to give

966
00:43:36,160 --> 00:43:39,120
Speaker 3: their five star Dylan Royola more people around him. I

967
00:43:39,120 --> 00:43:42,000
Speaker 3: think last year it was a pretty broken offense. I

968
00:43:42,040 --> 00:43:44,239
Speaker 3: know he flashed at times, but again, an eighteen year

969
00:43:44,239 --> 00:43:46,520
Speaker 3: old true freshman, I think in his second season, with

970
00:43:46,640 --> 00:43:49,840
Speaker 3: proven offensive line starters, with proven number one receivers, I

971
00:43:49,840 --> 00:43:51,719
Speaker 3: think you're going to see a better Nebraska here in

972
00:43:51,800 --> 00:43:54,239
Speaker 3: rules third year. So I like Nebraska to cover that

973
00:43:54,280 --> 00:43:57,600
Speaker 3: touchdown one more. I'll give you a here Utah Ucla.

974
00:43:57,680 --> 00:44:00,040
Speaker 3: I saw that spread came in in a touchdown. I

975
00:44:00,040 --> 00:44:02,120
Speaker 3: think Utah is going to destroy Ucla. I mean they're

976
00:44:02,120 --> 00:44:05,239
Speaker 3: the more physical team. Ucla is a team that we

977
00:44:05,600 --> 00:44:08,560
Speaker 3: talked about with Arizona, how their starters are getting poached

978
00:44:08,560 --> 00:44:11,600
Speaker 3: by other programs. Same with UCLA. And I know they

979
00:44:11,600 --> 00:44:14,280
Speaker 3: have the headliner with Nico that kind of is the

980
00:44:14,360 --> 00:44:17,359
Speaker 3: exception to the rule, but otherwise this roster was carved up.

981
00:44:17,680 --> 00:44:20,560
Speaker 3: So I see Utah going in there and smacking them.

982
00:44:20,600 --> 00:44:23,480
Speaker 3: So I'll go with Utah minus a touchdown there in

983
00:44:23,520 --> 00:44:26,000
Speaker 3: the opener, but yeah, plenty of plenty of angles, and

984
00:44:26,239 --> 00:44:28,120
Speaker 3: that's the beauty of I'm starting pick six.

985
00:44:27,960 --> 00:44:29,640
Speaker 2: Plus this year. Yeah, yeah, I was gonna ask you

986
00:44:29,640 --> 00:44:30,600
Speaker 2: about the season feature.

987
00:44:30,680 --> 00:44:34,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, so all the information from the magazine, but updated weekly,

988
00:44:34,280 --> 00:44:36,800
Speaker 3: all my game greater, all my advanced stats, even a

989
00:44:36,840 --> 00:44:39,160
Speaker 3: little bit more of that against the spread trend a.

990
00:44:39,080 --> 00:44:40,920
Speaker 2: Little, you know, leaning into that angle a little.

991
00:44:40,719 --> 00:44:42,960
Speaker 3: Bit more for those kind of listeners and readers. So

992
00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:45,799
Speaker 3: all that situational splits you look for is in there,

993
00:44:45,840 --> 00:44:47,120
Speaker 3: pixel cool.

994
00:44:47,440 --> 00:44:50,439
Speaker 4: I wanted to ask you real quick about Texas Ohio State,

995
00:44:50,480 --> 00:44:52,600
Speaker 4: because I know Dan and I have had a little

996
00:44:52,600 --> 00:44:54,879
Speaker 4: bit of back and forth over this one. I made

997
00:44:54,880 --> 00:44:57,160
Speaker 4: a comment somewhere along the way, and I forget where

998
00:44:57,200 --> 00:45:00,800
Speaker 4: exactly that I think Texas is the I think Texas

999
00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:05,120
Speaker 4: has definitely beating Ohio State. Of course, you talking definitely's

1000
00:45:05,719 --> 00:45:08,160
Speaker 4: when you're speaking in July, and a lot is subject

1001
00:45:08,239 --> 00:45:10,880
Speaker 4: to change, including some of this self doubt that inevitably

1002
00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:11,600
Speaker 4: is going to creep in.

1003
00:45:11,640 --> 00:45:12,560
Speaker 2: But I still believe that.

1004
00:45:12,800 --> 00:45:14,879
Speaker 4: I still think because Ohio State is so much new,

1005
00:45:15,040 --> 00:45:17,640
Speaker 4: they're obviously still going to be loaded look at the roster,

1006
00:45:17,920 --> 00:45:22,080
Speaker 4: but I think given enough back on the Texas side,

1007
00:45:22,120 --> 00:45:25,920
Speaker 4: they are probably eager to get this rematch with Ohio State,

1008
00:45:26,600 --> 00:45:28,399
Speaker 4: maybe get a little bit better in some of those

1009
00:45:28,400 --> 00:45:30,960
Speaker 4: short yardist situations that I know you alluded to Brett

1010
00:45:30,960 --> 00:45:33,440
Speaker 4: in your preview magazine with arch Manning and some of

1011
00:45:33,480 --> 00:45:36,320
Speaker 4: his mobility. Do you have a lean in that game?

1012
00:45:37,800 --> 00:45:39,960
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, I mean I have Texas number two in

1013
00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:42,160
Speaker 3: the country. I have Ohio State number three, and they're

1014
00:45:42,160 --> 00:45:45,080
Speaker 3: pretty much even with the game being in Columbus, I'm

1015
00:45:45,080 --> 00:45:47,120
Speaker 3: going to go with a higher state here. Play game

1016
00:45:47,440 --> 00:45:49,600
Speaker 3: really tough to forecast too, because, like you said, so

1017
00:45:49,680 --> 00:45:52,759
Speaker 3: much turnover on both rosters. I put Texas early in

1018
00:45:52,800 --> 00:45:55,840
Speaker 3: our show on my category of second guessing and worrying

1019
00:45:55,880 --> 00:45:58,680
Speaker 3: about just because all the roster transition they had, I know,

1020
00:45:58,719 --> 00:46:00,839
Speaker 3: we talk about that with Ohio State. Eight they sent

1021
00:46:00,880 --> 00:46:04,400
Speaker 3: to a record number of NFL draft picks away from Columbus,

1022
00:46:04,400 --> 00:46:07,359
Speaker 3: I think fourteen of them. But so they have questions too.

1023
00:46:07,400 --> 00:46:10,080
Speaker 3: But then yeah, Texas, same deal. So I'm gonna lean

1024
00:46:10,120 --> 00:46:12,600
Speaker 3: with Ohio State. And here's why I like their offensive

1025
00:46:12,600 --> 00:46:16,799
Speaker 3: line against Texas's d line and the deal with Ohio State.

1026
00:46:16,800 --> 00:46:18,799
Speaker 3: It was such a long season along playoff run. They

1027
00:46:18,840 --> 00:46:21,480
Speaker 3: had a lot of injuries on their offensive line, which

1028
00:46:21,719 --> 00:46:23,600
Speaker 3: you know, hurt at the moment, but now you've got

1029
00:46:23,600 --> 00:46:25,800
Speaker 3: a lot of younger guys ahead of schedule with reps

1030
00:46:25,800 --> 00:46:27,000
Speaker 3: and starts and experience.

1031
00:46:27,320 --> 00:46:29,640
Speaker 2: So actually their offensive line is pretty proven. I like

1032
00:46:29,680 --> 00:46:30,399
Speaker 2: what they have there.

1033
00:46:30,760 --> 00:46:33,080
Speaker 3: They're going up against a Texas front that loses several

1034
00:46:33,120 --> 00:46:35,799
Speaker 3: starters and had the backfill from the portal a lot.

1035
00:46:35,880 --> 00:46:38,200
Speaker 3: I think three out of four starters are portal guys.

1036
00:46:38,400 --> 00:46:40,480
Speaker 3: A lot of the two deep is now from the portal.

1037
00:46:40,280 --> 00:46:40,920
Speaker 2: And that can hit.

1038
00:46:41,000 --> 00:46:42,640
Speaker 3: That could be great. But in week one, I think

1039
00:46:42,640 --> 00:46:45,520
Speaker 3: you're going to catch them. So arch Manning's first big

1040
00:46:45,560 --> 00:46:47,279
Speaker 3: start on the road a hostel.

1041
00:46:47,440 --> 00:46:48,480
Speaker 2: You know it's gonna be at noon.

1042
00:46:48,520 --> 00:46:50,680
Speaker 3: I was going to say primetime it it should be

1043
00:46:50,760 --> 00:46:54,000
Speaker 3: play unbelievable Number one versus number three is going to

1044
00:46:54,040 --> 00:46:54,480
Speaker 3: be at noon.

1045
00:46:54,560 --> 00:46:57,760
Speaker 2: But that's our era now with big, big TV money.

1046
00:46:57,880 --> 00:46:59,200
Speaker 2: But no, I like Ohio State here.

1047
00:46:59,239 --> 00:47:01,359
Speaker 3: I think they're, if it's possible to say, the more

1048
00:47:01,400 --> 00:47:04,080
Speaker 3: proven products still despite losing fourteen drafted.

1049
00:47:04,200 --> 00:47:07,120
Speaker 4: Wow, okay, we got another one dan another guys. Yeah

1050
00:47:07,239 --> 00:47:08,920
Speaker 4: State yeuh okay.

1051
00:47:08,960 --> 00:47:12,279
Speaker 1: So you talk about Texas and Ohio State both you know,

1052
00:47:12,880 --> 00:47:15,759
Speaker 1: filling holes with transfers and working out for both of

1053
00:47:15,800 --> 00:47:18,839
Speaker 1: these teams obviously swimming league for Ohio State last year,

1054
00:47:19,280 --> 00:47:22,000
Speaker 1: you have new coaches. You have recent new coaches not

1055
00:47:22,120 --> 00:47:27,480
Speaker 1: plugging holes but building entire rosters, bringing in fifteen basketball

1056
00:47:27,520 --> 00:47:30,120
Speaker 1: teams worth of guys. Right that there's forty seven new guys,

1057
00:47:30,160 --> 00:47:34,520
Speaker 1: fifty three new guys, sixty one new guys. On one level,

1058
00:47:34,840 --> 00:47:37,960
Speaker 1: how do you evaluate how that team is going to be?

1059
00:47:38,080 --> 00:47:42,120
Speaker 1: Are you putting just everything on coaching history and schedule,

1060
00:47:42,400 --> 00:47:44,920
Speaker 1: not knowing how anybody's going to gel and how anybody

1061
00:47:44,920 --> 00:47:49,440
Speaker 1: fits into whatever system? Or do you just throw your

1062
00:47:49,440 --> 00:47:53,280
Speaker 1: hands up and say, like, we'll talk about it October eleventh.

1063
00:47:54,520 --> 00:47:55,279
Speaker 2: A little bit of both.

1064
00:47:55,320 --> 00:47:57,399
Speaker 3: I'd say, I mean two examples that come to mind.

1065
00:47:57,440 --> 00:48:00,399
Speaker 3: You got Purdue going through a massive roster and over

1066
00:48:00,440 --> 00:48:04,319
Speaker 3: coaching change after their terrible season last year, the worst

1067
00:48:04,320 --> 00:48:06,279
Speaker 3: team in the country per my numbers last year.

1068
00:48:06,960 --> 00:48:07,799
Speaker 2: I mean, you look at it.

1069
00:48:07,800 --> 00:48:10,680
Speaker 3: The transfer portal was what twenty produced starters out of

1070
00:48:10,680 --> 00:48:12,200
Speaker 3: there going to different schools.

1071
00:48:11,800 --> 00:48:13,520
Speaker 2: So total rebuild.

1072
00:48:13,560 --> 00:48:15,319
Speaker 3: I think in these situations what you try and do

1073
00:48:15,400 --> 00:48:17,920
Speaker 3: is you got to go position by position, got to

1074
00:48:17,960 --> 00:48:20,320
Speaker 3: dig in. There's no easy way out of this discussion.

1075
00:48:20,400 --> 00:48:23,359
Speaker 3: So I looked at every transfer coming in where'd they

1076
00:48:23,360 --> 00:48:25,640
Speaker 3: come from? Where they all conference guys at the lower

1077
00:48:25,640 --> 00:48:29,239
Speaker 3: tier where they former blue chip recruits. Just go room

1078
00:48:29,280 --> 00:48:31,279
Speaker 3: by room and then also look at the coaching and

1079
00:48:31,280 --> 00:48:34,000
Speaker 3: their history. So with Purdue with Barry otom he's actually

1080
00:48:34,000 --> 00:48:36,759
Speaker 3: gone through a similar scenario At UNLV two years ago.

1081
00:48:37,320 --> 00:48:39,920
Speaker 3: He took over UNLV, they were terrible. He went through

1082
00:48:39,960 --> 00:48:42,360
Speaker 3: a massive roster overhaul and got them to the Mountain

1083
00:48:42,400 --> 00:48:44,959
Speaker 3: West title game twice in a row. So a guy

1084
00:48:45,000 --> 00:48:47,400
Speaker 3: that's done it before, albeit at the Mountain West and

1085
00:48:47,400 --> 00:48:49,600
Speaker 3: not the Big Ten. But you want somebody that's gone

1086
00:48:49,640 --> 00:48:53,279
Speaker 3: through such a transition. So maybe tough in twenty twenty five,

1087
00:48:53,320 --> 00:48:54,600
Speaker 3: but could be the right guy.

1088
00:48:54,440 --> 00:48:56,280
Speaker 2: Going forward, intermediate, long term.

1089
00:48:56,560 --> 00:48:58,160
Speaker 3: The other one, and I'm actually proud of us that

1090
00:48:58,239 --> 00:49:01,120
Speaker 3: we went forty minutes without talking about it. The UNC

1091
00:49:01,280 --> 00:49:04,440
Speaker 3: hire of Bill Bilichick and one of the storylines of

1092
00:49:04,480 --> 00:49:07,640
Speaker 3: twenty twenty five. I heard they're gonna be bringing the

1093
00:49:07,760 --> 00:49:10,200
Speaker 3: entire ESPN campus down a Chapel Hill. They're gonna just

1094
00:49:10,360 --> 00:49:13,440
Speaker 3: set up shot there for the next three months. But no,

1095
00:49:13,560 --> 00:49:15,720
Speaker 3: I think a similar deal. They're bringing in like sixty

1096
00:49:15,719 --> 00:49:18,399
Speaker 3: five new players, And again I had to just dig

1097
00:49:18,400 --> 00:49:21,360
Speaker 3: in position by position and I think they're They're proven

1098
00:49:21,400 --> 00:49:23,920
Speaker 3: at some spots, you know, and in their secondary they

1099
00:49:23,920 --> 00:49:26,239
Speaker 3: have several guys that were former starters at you know,

1100
00:49:26,280 --> 00:49:27,399
Speaker 3: the power for or.

1101
00:49:27,320 --> 00:49:28,360
Speaker 2: The Group of five level.

1102
00:49:29,000 --> 00:49:32,399
Speaker 3: At quarterback, they're trying to get their quarterback injury back

1103
00:49:32,440 --> 00:49:36,160
Speaker 3: from injury with Johnson, but they signed Gio Lopez, an

1104
00:49:36,239 --> 00:49:39,239
Speaker 3: All Sun Belt guy, a true freshman player from South Alabama,

1105
00:49:39,480 --> 00:49:42,120
Speaker 3: dual threat kid. So long story short, I mean it's

1106
00:49:42,120 --> 00:49:44,240
Speaker 3: a little bit uncertain with the UNC you gotta trust

1107
00:49:44,280 --> 00:49:47,040
Speaker 3: their coaching and in the ACC you're gonna have a

1108
00:49:47,040 --> 00:49:49,600
Speaker 3: lot of one score games, and who better to trust

1109
00:49:49,600 --> 00:49:52,960
Speaker 3: than a Bilichick off or Bilichick team. You feel like

1110
00:49:53,040 --> 00:49:55,120
Speaker 3: the the keys of the game, they're going to be

1111
00:49:55,120 --> 00:49:58,840
Speaker 3: good at, you know, the situational staff, procedure, penalties, like

1112
00:49:58,840 --> 00:50:00,840
Speaker 3: they're going to be clean. I think so that might

1113
00:50:00,920 --> 00:50:02,920
Speaker 3: flip a cup of one score games their way. But

1114
00:50:03,040 --> 00:50:05,120
Speaker 3: it's a total crapshit with some of these rosters.

1115
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Speaker 1: Fair enough, one of the more fascinating teams. And I

1116
00:50:07,719 --> 00:50:10,840
Speaker 1: am a biased Oregon human here, but the Oregon Ducks

1117
00:50:11,040 --> 00:50:13,000
Speaker 1: win the Big Ten. They go thirteen and oh last

1118
00:50:13,000 --> 00:50:16,000
Speaker 1: season they're in the regular season. We've talked about the

1119
00:50:16,040 --> 00:50:18,319
Speaker 1: SEC champ in Georgia. We've talked about the Big twelve

1120
00:50:18,400 --> 00:50:21,560
Speaker 1: champ in Arizona State. Oregon seems to be on like

1121
00:50:21,719 --> 00:50:24,600
Speaker 1: three clear paths and we kind of have to decide

1122
00:50:24,640 --> 00:50:27,319
Speaker 1: how we feel about each one. One is that we're

1123
00:50:27,320 --> 00:50:30,000
Speaker 1: maybe under selling how good they were last year and

1124
00:50:30,040 --> 00:50:33,080
Speaker 1: how many quality pieces are back, and they're perhaps not

1125
00:50:33,080 --> 00:50:35,359
Speaker 1: getting the attention that Ohio State and Penn State are.

1126
00:50:35,719 --> 00:50:38,160
Speaker 1: Having beaten both of those teams during the regular season

1127
00:50:38,239 --> 00:50:40,080
Speaker 1: last year, we don't need to talk about the Rose Bowl.

1128
00:50:40,080 --> 00:50:43,160
Speaker 1: That's a conversation that nobody wants to have, nobody needs

1129
00:50:43,200 --> 00:50:48,520
Speaker 1: to reflect on. Two is that they're properly seen as

1130
00:50:48,880 --> 00:50:52,200
Speaker 1: a competitive team near the top, but had to replace

1131
00:50:52,239 --> 00:50:55,319
Speaker 1: an offensive line, a quarterback, key pieces in the secondary

1132
00:50:55,640 --> 00:50:59,759
Speaker 1: and defensive line, and that's a lot or three that

1133
00:51:00,200 --> 00:51:03,160
Speaker 1: they're due for a down year and there's a reckoning

1134
00:51:03,200 --> 00:51:06,719
Speaker 1: coming because there are too many questions and so you

1135
00:51:06,760 --> 00:51:10,080
Speaker 1: obviously have them pretty high in your Big ten tier.

1136
00:51:11,560 --> 00:51:14,440
Speaker 1: Where do you think, with the benefit of now a

1137
00:51:14,480 --> 00:51:17,440
Speaker 1: little bit more time and you know, hearing stories about camp, like,

1138
00:51:17,719 --> 00:51:20,799
Speaker 1: where do you stand same place? How do you feel

1139
00:51:20,840 --> 00:51:22,000
Speaker 1: about those three paths?

1140
00:51:22,280 --> 00:51:23,960
Speaker 3: I might have to give you a fourth I was

1141
00:51:24,000 --> 00:51:26,160
Speaker 3: on the radio up in Portland and they were asking

1142
00:51:26,160 --> 00:51:29,480
Speaker 3: me about Oregon, and I told them, Hey, Oregon's might

1143
00:51:29,520 --> 00:51:32,120
Speaker 3: pick to win the national championship. And I paused way

1144
00:51:32,120 --> 00:51:34,799
Speaker 3: too long, and I go in twenty twenty six, I

1145
00:51:34,800 --> 00:51:36,239
Speaker 3: think that, and I put that in the book too

1146
00:51:36,280 --> 00:51:38,680
Speaker 3: as my preview for next year. But I think they're

1147
00:51:38,680 --> 00:51:42,400
Speaker 3: building an absolute machine in Eugene. I mean, it's unbelievable, undeniable,

1148
00:51:42,400 --> 00:51:45,239
Speaker 3: the amount of talent that they're stockpiling. Dan Lanning has

1149
00:51:45,239 --> 00:51:48,840
Speaker 3: really elevated this recruiting thing to a new level. I

1150
00:51:48,880 --> 00:51:50,719
Speaker 3: look at it this way. You know, twenty four to

1151
00:51:50,719 --> 00:51:52,720
Speaker 3: seven sports and on three. It's a lot of quantity

1152
00:51:52,760 --> 00:51:55,200
Speaker 3: for their recruiting rankings. But if you look at it

1153
00:51:55,239 --> 00:51:57,800
Speaker 3: at per player, if you just do the sheer average,

1154
00:51:58,200 --> 00:52:00,560
Speaker 3: Organ was number one in the country the high school

1155
00:52:00,600 --> 00:52:02,760
Speaker 3: ranks last year, and the number one in the country

1156
00:52:02,760 --> 00:52:05,879
Speaker 3: from the transfer portal last year per player. So it's

1157
00:52:05,960 --> 00:52:07,399
Speaker 3: undeniable what's going on up there.

1158
00:52:07,400 --> 00:52:08,080
Speaker 2: But here's the thing.

1159
00:52:08,120 --> 00:52:11,680
Speaker 3: They're very young, so it's all about what playoff structure

1160
00:52:11,680 --> 00:52:13,920
Speaker 3: we're in. I think last year leaves a confusing legacy.

1161
00:52:13,960 --> 00:52:16,279
Speaker 3: You know, thirteen to zero, number one, the clear only

1162
00:52:16,360 --> 00:52:19,160
Speaker 3: undefeated team in one hundred and thirty years of college football.

1163
00:52:19,200 --> 00:52:20,920
Speaker 3: That team's either playing in a Rose Bowl for a

1164
00:52:21,000 --> 00:52:23,520
Speaker 3: national title, or they're in the BCS title game, and

1165
00:52:23,560 --> 00:52:26,560
Speaker 3: that could have been their first title in school history. Instead,

1166
00:52:26,560 --> 00:52:28,879
Speaker 3: they're thrown back into this big bracket and they run

1167
00:52:28,880 --> 00:52:31,120
Speaker 3: into a machine a rematch Ohio State spot.

1168
00:52:31,480 --> 00:52:32,600
Speaker 2: So I say that not.

1169
00:52:32,520 --> 00:52:35,040
Speaker 3: To bring up bad memories for you, but fine, I

1170
00:52:35,080 --> 00:52:37,520
Speaker 3: say that because now it flips to an advantage for Oregon,

1171
00:52:37,560 --> 00:52:39,640
Speaker 3: because in the old structure, I don't.

1172
00:52:39,520 --> 00:52:40,640
Speaker 2: See this team going undefeated.

1173
00:52:40,680 --> 00:52:42,920
Speaker 3: I don't see twenty twenty five Oregon going twelve to

1174
00:52:43,040 --> 00:52:45,879
Speaker 3: zero and making a one versus two BCS title game.

1175
00:52:46,200 --> 00:52:48,399
Speaker 3: I do see maybe a ten to two, a very

1176
00:52:48,440 --> 00:52:50,719
Speaker 3: younger team that is growing up. They probably lose that

1177
00:52:50,760 --> 00:52:53,760
Speaker 3: white out spot, maybe drop another one as a young team.

1178
00:52:54,120 --> 00:52:57,320
Speaker 3: But by the time December rolls around, in January rolls around,

1179
00:52:57,560 --> 00:52:59,480
Speaker 3: now they're not a young team anymore. They're now a

1180
00:52:59,560 --> 00:53:02,680
Speaker 3: veteran team stockpiled with five star recruits that could be

1181
00:53:02,760 --> 00:53:05,759
Speaker 3: rounding into form in a big bracket. So it's a

1182
00:53:05,800 --> 00:53:09,200
Speaker 3: confusing legacy they lead behind and enter twenty twenty five with.

1183
00:53:09,320 --> 00:53:10,840
Speaker 3: But I think they're one of the most talented in

1184
00:53:10,840 --> 00:53:13,080
Speaker 3: the country. It's one of the youngest, so I think

1185
00:53:13,280 --> 00:53:15,799
Speaker 3: come late twenty twenty five, but definitely twenty six.

1186
00:53:15,960 --> 00:53:18,480
Speaker 2: They're a national title contender. There you go, Dan, got

1187
00:53:18,480 --> 00:53:19,040
Speaker 2: to wait a year.

1188
00:53:20,680 --> 00:53:22,120
Speaker 1: I think that's what you thought you were gonna have

1189
00:53:22,120 --> 00:53:24,560
Speaker 1: to wait a year for Notre Dame, right, Notre Dame

1190
00:53:24,640 --> 00:53:26,600
Speaker 1: was everything was pointing to twenty twenty five, and they

1191
00:53:26,640 --> 00:53:28,040
Speaker 1: do it a year early. They get to that game.

1192
00:53:28,120 --> 00:53:30,200
Speaker 4: Well, okay, so let me ask about that before we

1193
00:53:30,239 --> 00:53:32,759
Speaker 4: wrap up here. Clearly I have a rooting interest in

1194
00:53:32,800 --> 00:53:36,440
Speaker 4: Notre Dame. By all accounts, the quarterback battle is neck

1195
00:53:36,480 --> 00:53:39,440
Speaker 4: and neck, much to my surprise, much as the surprise

1196
00:53:39,520 --> 00:53:42,439
Speaker 4: of Benny. It seems like this is a legitimate neck

1197
00:53:42,440 --> 00:53:43,040
Speaker 4: and neck race.

1198
00:53:43,080 --> 00:53:43,279
Speaker 2: Here.

1199
00:53:43,760 --> 00:53:47,440
Speaker 4: Does that alter your thinking at all, Brett? Depending on

1200
00:53:47,440 --> 00:53:49,200
Speaker 4: who gets the job, different skill sets.

1201
00:53:49,480 --> 00:53:49,760
Speaker 1: CJ.

1202
00:53:49,880 --> 00:53:52,400
Speaker 4: Carr much more of you know, the drop back passer,

1203
00:53:52,520 --> 00:53:55,040
Speaker 4: good mobility, but he's not necessarily going to be a runner.

1204
00:53:55,120 --> 00:53:58,600
Speaker 4: Kenny Minshee. I think they basically called the same offense

1205
00:53:58,640 --> 00:54:01,760
Speaker 4: regardless of who's the quarterback. But Kenny Minsche is definitely

1206
00:54:01,760 --> 00:54:03,239
Speaker 4: more mobile. You can put them on the run, you

1207
00:54:03,280 --> 00:54:05,120
Speaker 4: can do a little bit more with him. Does that

1208
00:54:05,200 --> 00:54:07,959
Speaker 4: alter your thinking, maybe just with respect to Week one,

1209
00:54:08,719 --> 00:54:10,759
Speaker 4: how you view Notre Dame depending on who they end

1210
00:54:10,840 --> 00:54:12,080
Speaker 4: up picking at quarterback.

1211
00:54:13,160 --> 00:54:15,080
Speaker 3: In fact, I could even spin it as a positive.

1212
00:54:15,680 --> 00:54:17,480
Speaker 3: You know, it all depends on who we're talking about,

1213
00:54:17,480 --> 00:54:19,560
Speaker 3: because you have a five star with CJ. Carr and

1214
00:54:19,640 --> 00:54:22,120
Speaker 3: another top one hundred recruit and Kenny Minshee. These are

1215
00:54:22,400 --> 00:54:25,520
Speaker 3: blue chippers. They were, you know, heavily recruited by everybody.

1216
00:54:25,680 --> 00:54:27,520
Speaker 3: So if they're competing neck and neck, I think you

1217
00:54:27,560 --> 00:54:30,000
Speaker 3: have two really good quarterbacks. If one of the people

1218
00:54:30,000 --> 00:54:32,239
Speaker 3: in the situation was a walk on or a two

1219
00:54:32,280 --> 00:54:35,600
Speaker 3: star or like a former Mac player or something, and

1220
00:54:35,640 --> 00:54:37,799
Speaker 3: their neck and neck with CJ. Car then that might

1221
00:54:38,040 --> 00:54:40,080
Speaker 3: be calls for concern. But I think you have two

1222
00:54:40,160 --> 00:54:42,680
Speaker 3: legit quarterbacks. Like you said, maybe different styles. Maybe you

1223
00:54:42,719 --> 00:54:46,239
Speaker 3: can use Minshi's legs in certain situations. If anything, you

1224
00:54:46,280 --> 00:54:48,359
Speaker 3: can can confuse your Week one opponent with who you're

1225
00:54:48,400 --> 00:54:50,600
Speaker 3: gonna play. They've got to prep for both guys, So

1226
00:54:50,880 --> 00:54:51,640
Speaker 3: I'm viewing that.

1227
00:54:51,560 --> 00:54:52,280
Speaker 2: As a positive.

1228
00:54:52,640 --> 00:54:54,960
Speaker 3: And yeah, speaking of your two teams, I wonder if

1229
00:54:54,960 --> 00:54:57,279
Speaker 3: we're going to see I call it the solid verb

1230
00:54:57,320 --> 00:54:59,759
Speaker 3: Bowl Oregon versus Notre Dame in the back of a game.

1231
00:54:59,760 --> 00:55:02,520
Speaker 2: There, We're ready, We're ready, were waiting for it. Yeah,

1232
00:55:02,719 --> 00:55:03,560
Speaker 2: it hasn't happened yet.

1233
00:55:03,880 --> 00:55:05,719
Speaker 3: You had to deal with an awkward one with Notre

1234
00:55:05,800 --> 00:55:08,960
Speaker 3: Dame Penn State, being a Pennsylvanian, probably surrounded by staters

1235
00:55:08,960 --> 00:55:10,200
Speaker 3: that had to be tough last year.

1236
00:55:10,280 --> 00:55:12,400
Speaker 4: Well, and as an alum, you know, it was like

1237
00:55:12,680 --> 00:55:15,640
Speaker 4: it was yeah, I mean it was. We did a

1238
00:55:15,680 --> 00:55:18,799
Speaker 4: stream for it, and in hindsight I said to Dan,

1239
00:55:18,840 --> 00:55:20,560
Speaker 4: I'm like, I shouldn't We shouldn't have done that stream.

1240
00:55:21,160 --> 00:55:24,919
Speaker 4: It really left me in a very conflicted state because, yeah,

1241
00:55:24,920 --> 00:55:26,680
Speaker 4: these are the two teams that are rooted for, and

1242
00:55:27,080 --> 00:55:28,719
Speaker 4: you know, one I've cheered for a little bit longer,

1243
00:55:28,760 --> 00:55:30,280
Speaker 4: the other I graduated from the school.

1244
00:55:30,400 --> 00:55:32,919
Speaker 1: Let's be clear. As soon as that game kicked off,

1245
00:55:32,920 --> 00:55:34,960
Speaker 1: he was like, Notre Dame, baby, let's do this. He

1246
00:55:35,160 --> 00:55:40,560
Speaker 1: was not conflicted when between the sidelines. He was all

1247
00:55:40,600 --> 00:55:42,840
Speaker 1: irish all the time. So it wasn't like, oh, that

1248
00:55:42,920 --> 00:55:46,880
Speaker 1: was a good play, but now I feel no, no, Immediately.

1249
00:55:46,360 --> 00:55:49,239
Speaker 4: It took like three minutes. It took three minutes for

1250
00:55:49,320 --> 00:55:52,040
Speaker 4: like the primal instincts to kick in and then yeah,

1251
00:55:52,400 --> 00:55:53,759
Speaker 4: it was a lot of rooting for I.

1252
00:55:53,680 --> 00:55:56,200
Speaker 1: Feel like on that opening kickoff somebody was a good

1253
00:55:56,200 --> 00:55:58,480
Speaker 1: tackle from Notre Dame or something. Maybe I'm making that up.

1254
00:55:58,560 --> 00:56:00,719
Speaker 1: And he was like, yeah, baby, here we go.

1255
00:56:00,920 --> 00:56:03,120
Speaker 3: Well, hey, the college football fan that runs deep, you

1256
00:56:03,160 --> 00:56:05,320
Speaker 3: can't just turn that off, you know you can't.

1257
00:56:05,520 --> 00:56:05,960
Speaker 2: You can't.

1258
00:56:06,000 --> 00:56:08,560
Speaker 4: Man, All right, Look his name's Brett Siancia. You can

1259
00:56:08,600 --> 00:56:12,439
Speaker 4: find him out at Pick six Previews. Tell the find

1260
00:56:12,480 --> 00:56:14,520
Speaker 4: people where to go, what they can find when they

1261
00:56:14,600 --> 00:56:16,680
Speaker 4: get there, and what you've got going on this season.

1262
00:56:17,239 --> 00:56:19,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, thanks so much for having me second annual

1263
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Speaker 3: previews show.

1264
00:56:20,000 --> 00:56:22,480
Speaker 2: I really appreciate it. They can't wait to see what

1265
00:56:22,520 --> 00:56:23,319
Speaker 2: you guys do this fall.

1266
00:56:23,360 --> 00:56:26,360
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1267
00:56:26,400 --> 00:56:29,319
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1269
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Speaker 3: People are loving the spiral binding. I mean, it's such

1270
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Speaker 3: a simp I got it right here. Look, Brett, send

1271
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Speaker 3: it to me.

1272
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Speaker 4: I forgot to thank you via text message, so thank

1273
00:56:39,840 --> 00:56:42,399
Speaker 4: you for sending this up to me. But yes, it's

1274
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Speaker 4: a nice little lot quick reference. Guyd you do a

1275
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Speaker 4: great job with it.

1276
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Speaker 1: It's great.

1277
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Speaker 3: Well, thank you so much. Yeah, it's on there, we

1278
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Speaker 3: got sample teams. You can take ties testimonial right there,

1279
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Speaker 3: that's all I need. And then on there, yeah, you'll

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1286
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Speaker 2: You know, how's a team as a favorite? How are

1287
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1291
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Speaker 3: So thanks so much for having me, guys, I mean,

1292
00:57:17,960 --> 00:57:20,400
Speaker 3: always a great convo. My favorite spot of the year

1293
00:57:20,400 --> 00:57:21,320
Speaker 3: for preseason talks.

1294
00:57:21,600 --> 00:57:23,800
Speaker 4: Thank you well, we appreciate it. We will do it

1295
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Speaker 4: again sometime very soon. Again, check out Brett's work at

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Speaker 4: Pick sixpreviews dot com. All right again, check them out.

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Speaker 4: Brett Siancia Pick six Previews. I got it here in

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Speaker 4: front of me, right, where am I do it? Here

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Speaker 4: we go, I got.

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Speaker 1: It out in front of me, beautiful.

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Speaker 2: I showed it when Brett was on the screen. I'll

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Speaker 2: show it again now.

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Speaker 4: I've been using this as my quick reference guide as

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Speaker 4: I go through these teams. It's a perfect compliment to

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Speaker 4: much of the other work that has gone in on

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Speaker 4: this end to try and figure out who is who

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Speaker 4: in this coming year of college football.

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Speaker 1: So we appreciate Brett's time. He says, no acronyms, but

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Speaker 1: it's bft tie. It's built toilets.

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Speaker 2: It's so great and we mean that not as a pejorative,

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Speaker 2: by the way.

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Speaker 1: One hundred percent compliment that you can sit down with

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Speaker 1: it when you're already sitting doing something else, taking care

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Speaker 1: of your business, and just bang out the Houston preview, right,

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Speaker 1: just like figure out how you feel about West Virginia

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Speaker 1: or Ohio State or Washington Like it's great, great toilet fodder,

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Speaker 1: perfect compliment from me.

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Speaker 4: Love it all right, Well, big thanks again to Brett.

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Speaker 4: Please go and check out his work. It does an

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Speaker 4: awesome job. On our next episode, we're going to be

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Speaker 4: doing our official prediction.

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Speaker 1: Stan for the season Big picture. Big Picture.

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Speaker 4: So if you go back and listen to the conference previews,

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Speaker 4: we obviously gave some voice to who we think is

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Speaker 4: winning each of these conferences, but we did not do

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Speaker 4: a playoff prediction. You need to do that we'll talk

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Speaker 4: about our brackets. I think if it's cool with you,

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Speaker 4: we should bundle in some fantasy things as well.

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Speaker 1: One percent like it could be kind of a long show,

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Speaker 1: and so we'll do spill over fantasy things for the

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Speaker 1: fine people at Verballers dot com. That's v er there.

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Speaker 1: It is b a l l ers dot com to

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Speaker 1: support the show directly if you enjoy what we do.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, fantasy things and official predictions next week.

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Speaker 4: And we got a uh smattering of suggestions of predictions

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Speaker 4: from the verballerhood that you're gonna be able to hear.

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Speaker 4: This will drop on Sunday, so a lot to come.

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Speaker 4: We're excited about it. The season, as I like to say,

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Speaker 4: is getting awfully big in the window. Keep it right here,

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Speaker 4: hit follow or subscribes that you don't miss any of

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Speaker 4: those episodes. Correct for that guy over there, my good

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Speaker 4: friend Dan Rubinstein, for myself, Tie Hildebrand, thank you as

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Speaker 4: always for stopping on by.

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Speaker 2: Hope to see you again soon. We'll talk to you

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Speaker 2: on Sunday.

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Speaker 1: Stay solved, peace,