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Speaker 2: In fact, Mickey just got back from the locker room,
Speaker 2: I assume.
Speaker 3: Right, locker room and doing my fans segment. Things kind
Speaker 3: of got kind of collision there.
Speaker 2: Oh really, okay, So did you what was more productive
Speaker 2: for you, the locker room or.
Speaker 4: The fans segment?
Speaker 3: Well, I have to produce on the fans segment, So
Speaker 3: I better be productive there, right.
Speaker 4: I assume you get paid for that too, but.
Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you. We never do right anything we do. Yeah,
Speaker 3: the locker room was interesting. There was a lot of
Speaker 3: people around brock Hoffman. You know, he's kind of the
Speaker 3: probably going to be the story of the day, just
Speaker 3: the fact that he's playing to position and his disposition
Speaker 3: that everybody talks that he plays with and it's lewis
Speaker 3: pretty interesting sort of. Yeah, he's a he's a scrapper
Speaker 3: and as the guys like to say, he'll stir things
Speaker 3: up in the pile or in the huddle.
Speaker 5: So I saw him helping the referee out.
Speaker 3: Did you first out let him know? I think he
Speaker 3: lets a lot of people know things. But he's a
Speaker 3: he's a pretty good character. And it's just pretty interesting
Speaker 3: that a guy that makes the team as a rookie
Speaker 3: free agent had bounced around got into the league. I
Speaker 3: think it was Cleveland practice squad came here, released practice squad,
Speaker 3: and all of a sudden, not only is he starting
Speaker 3: at center, I started a guard and they had to
Speaker 3: move to center. So pretty valuable piece for a guy
Speaker 3: that you know, had a pretty good college career. Right,
Speaker 3: you said, he was at Western West Virginia, Virginia Tech Tech,
Speaker 3: Virginia Tech. It was one of the two.
Speaker 5: He's gonna let you hang out.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it was one of the two. Right.
Speaker 2: He had West Virginia on your mind because they played
Speaker 2: in the Scooter's Coffee Frisco Bowl last night here in Frisco.
Speaker 3: I watched it till the end, did you really? But
Speaker 3: I only watched the fourth quarter? Well, and I watched
Speaker 3: it started at eight o'clock, but I did. Why it
Speaker 3: was so late?
Speaker 2: I did watch it to the end. And the only
Speaker 2: reason I'm bringing it up. Did you hate the way
Speaker 2: the game ended?
Speaker 3: So remind me because there was an interception? Oh yes, yes, yes, yes,
Speaker 3: all right.
Speaker 4: Interception at the end of the game.
Speaker 3: Okay, okay, all right, it's uh they're going to close.
Speaker 2: So West Virginia is trailing forty two to thirty seven.
Speaker 2: They're threatening and after North Carro not North care Memphis, Memphis,
Speaker 2: Memphis missed the field going. So they're driving down the
Speaker 2: field and there's plenty of times still left. Garrett Green,
Speaker 2: the West Virginia quarterback, throws an interception. Linebacker picks it
Speaker 2: off and instead of just sitting down immediately he starts.
Speaker 3: Running with the ball.
Speaker 5: Man.
Speaker 2: So he was surrounded, okay, and so then he as
Speaker 2: he is sliding for everybody as he is sliding down,
Speaker 2: he starts his slide and Peanut punch Ball.
Speaker 3: Comes out from behind from behind in West Virginia recovers.
Speaker 2: All right, there's still eight seconds left and it's at
Speaker 2: the thirty yard and thirty five yard line. So Western
Speaker 2: he's gonna have the shy. No, we've got to review it. Okay,
Speaker 2: we review it.
Speaker 3: And the NCAA rule now is that.
Speaker 2: If a player doesn't have to be a quarterback, it
Speaker 2: can be any player on the field.
Speaker 4: If they start their slide, they're.
Speaker 2: Giving themselves up and so the fumble doesn't happen, they
Speaker 2: play is dead, and Memphis wins the game. It was
Speaker 2: the most ridiculous way to end the football game. They
Speaker 2: got to change that rule. The guy, the reason for
Speaker 2: the rule is you're protecting the player. They did not
Speaker 2: hit the player, Okay, and you're right, the quarterback. Okay,
Speaker 2: that's the reason.
Speaker 5: That's the rule.
Speaker 2: But this this goes for any player on the field
Speaker 2: because okay, you got to protect the safety of everybody. Yeah,
Speaker 2: they did not hit the player. You have the rules
Speaker 2: should read. You still have to protect the football and
Speaker 2: if someone comes with a peanut punch and knocks the
Speaker 2: ball out, it's not hurting that player one bit.
Speaker 6: There needs to be a clear definition of when.
Speaker 3: He is Also, yeah, the need. No, they had not
Speaker 3: hit the ground, though it was close.
Speaker 5: That's the thing right there.
Speaker 2: You just have to the need does not have to
Speaker 2: be on the nothing close to any part of your
Speaker 2: body being on the ground except your two feet, as
Speaker 2: long as you are starting your slide, like you slow
Speaker 2: down and you're starting to slide, which which is.
Speaker 5: The way there is in the pros for quarterbacks.
Speaker 6: Right for quarterbacks and the pros and the pros right right,
Speaker 6: and so that's what they're looking at right there, right
Speaker 6: once he even starts to slide, which is the way.
Speaker 5: I was so mad.
Speaker 3: I was. I didn't care who won that game, but okay,
Speaker 3: I checked.
Speaker 4: All I watched was the last two minutes.
Speaker 5: Of the game.
Speaker 3: Okay, I got a few more minutes than that.
Speaker 2: And so I'm like, okay, it was forty two to
Speaker 2: thirty seven.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 5: West Virginia the pretty good team this year.
Speaker 2: They wound up six and seven. Then they fired their
Speaker 2: coach Rich Rod's going back there.
Speaker 3: So I'm surprised you didn't watch the whole game there.
Speaker 5: Bill.
Speaker 3: When there's a Texas a Texas.
Speaker 7: Quarterback take champion quarterback, you usually watch the game.
Speaker 2: Seth Ryan High School. Dave Henigin is the head coach,
Speaker 2: and he was making his fiftieth start for Memphis. And
Speaker 2: he'll be in the draft, so that relates it back
Speaker 2: to the Cowboys.
Speaker 3: He'll be in the Green, big Green, Noble.
Speaker 2: Be somewhere in there, ye, And which brings us to
Speaker 2: quarterbacks in this league.
Speaker 3: Quarterbacks the news last night? What what precipitated that other
Speaker 3: than not playing very well even though they kind of
Speaker 3: won a game right Atlanta.
Speaker 2: Yes they did, But have you checked what he's done
Speaker 2: Kirk Cousins. I saw that the last five games he's
Speaker 2: thrown one touchdown pass and thrown nine picks, and he
Speaker 2: leads a league in interceptions.
Speaker 5: The heck is going on with Kirk Cousins man.
Speaker 3: So Michael Pennix is starting against the Giants.
Speaker 5: Thank god they drafted him.
Speaker 2: Exactly and remember how much criticism that they got the
Speaker 2: problem is, why did they sign Kirk Cousins coming off
Speaker 2: an Achilles injury? And even passing physical. Well, they gave
Speaker 2: him one hundred and eighty million dollars.
Speaker 3: That's the deal, not the fact they signed it. It's
Speaker 3: the money for the money out of money they paid him.
Speaker 3: And he's at the end of his career.
Speaker 5: Well he was.
Speaker 6: He was thirty for like the first six games of
Speaker 6: the season.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it looked good.
Speaker 5: Yeah, everybody was Hotlanta all over again.
Speaker 3: Then he turned into.
Speaker 2: Kirk right after they right after they played the Cowboys
Speaker 2: right after Yeah, right, but even against the Cowboys, Okay,
Speaker 2: ninety I wanted I heard this, driving in ninety seven
Speaker 2: percent of his passes this season from from in the pocket.
Speaker 2: And of course he's always been a pocket passer, but
Speaker 2: you go back to last year with Minnesota, I think
Speaker 2: the percentage was eighty three percent passes for in the pocket.
Speaker 2: But he's not even going so far as doing a
Speaker 2: Cooper rush roll out and throwing incompletely.
Speaker 5: You'd rather.
Speaker 2: He'd rather and he and I bet, And I haven't
Speaker 2: watched any of his games. I'm just assuming that he
Speaker 2: doesn't have the same leg power that he had before
Speaker 2: the injury, and those decisions that he makes to try to,
Speaker 2: you know, hit a small window. He didn't have the
Speaker 2: leg strength to put enough velocity on it.
Speaker 6: Well, no, that's just decision making, and that has always
Speaker 6: been his problem, this decision making. That's when things get tough.
Speaker 6: And the window was tight, and that's with most most quarterbacks.
Speaker 6: But he chooses because he can't.
Speaker 5: Come out and scramble. He chooses to let's just see
Speaker 5: if we can just force it in there. That's his choice.
Speaker 3: So the Cowboys game was probably his last, last best game.
Speaker 8: He finished with a one point four point eight quarterback
Speaker 8: rating in that game, nineteen of twenty four to twenty
Speaker 8: two and three touchdowns, no interception.
Speaker 6: And that was typical of what he was doing all
Speaker 6: before that as well.
Speaker 3: That was another game playing well that needed to be won,
Speaker 3: and they lost by six, twenty seven to twenty one.
Speaker 9: Right, Bill, I'm looking at now, could you guess what
Speaker 9: Kirk Cousins career earnings is.
Speaker 2: Oh, it's take a wild guest, astronomical.
Speaker 3: He's getting. Well, so you're looking at.
Speaker 2: What you're talking about is the total value of every
Speaker 2: contract that he's had. So you're including, you're including the
Speaker 2: one hundred and eighty million, which he's not going to
Speaker 2: see the entire one hundred eighty million four years this year.
Speaker 5: Right, but even his previous contract was.
Speaker 2: Right, So the question is how much how much has
Speaker 2: and plus he had the franchise year deal with Washington
Speaker 2: every year he was he was maxing out on the franchise.
Speaker 9: Well, he's making a hundred million of this, by the way,
Speaker 9: because his total guarantee for this contracts one hundred million.
Speaker 3: Okay, so he's going to make a lot of it. Yeah,
Speaker 3: he's got to be around hundred million.
Speaker 4: We're including one eighty on it.
Speaker 3: It's probably getting close to a billion, okay, but I
Speaker 3: will put it at half billion.
Speaker 2: I mean, because he came in the league in what
Speaker 2: twenty ten or so twenty eleven, six or seven hundred years,
Speaker 2: I'll go six hundred and fifty.
Speaker 9: Well, right here it says to ninety four, but still
Speaker 9: ninety four career earnings two hundred and ninety four million dollars.
Speaker 3: Well, that's not bad counting this one hundred. I went
Speaker 3: and looked up Tom Brady over his career. Well, yeah,
Speaker 3: but he took I understand, his was three hundred million dollars,
Speaker 3: so he could have commanded six hundred. He probably could
Speaker 3: have got six hundred.
Speaker 7: He probably got he probably got six hundred he's getting
Speaker 7: probably about six hundred million from Fox.
Speaker 3: I believe he's probably still getting paid by the Patriots
Speaker 3: anyway he should be. But there you go.
Speaker 4: But I agree with you.
Speaker 7: Hall of Famer two ninety four million. Oh, his agent
Speaker 7: is Kirk Kirk Cousins, the Hall of Famer. But his
Speaker 7: agent is two ninety four million dollars.
Speaker 3: Well back then when he was getting those franchise tags,
Speaker 3: we thought it was a lot, but it was probably
Speaker 3: I'll say this though, thirty million somewhere in there.
Speaker 2: Okay, So what Atlanta did, and this is going to
Speaker 2: relate to the Cowboys here going forward now with a
Speaker 2: quarterback in his thirties, okay, and you look at what
Speaker 2: Green Bay has done, and not only with Jordan Love
Speaker 2: this time around, but with Aaron Rodgers when.
Speaker 3: They had Brett Favre. The value of the quarterback.
Speaker 2: Position in this league. And he gets back to what
Speaker 2: you said, Everson, that it was a great pick to pick,
Speaker 2: assuming Michael Pennix is what they think he is.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 2: It's I like the pick at the time, even though
Speaker 2: there was so much criticism. But you have to that's
Speaker 2: such an important position that you have to get it right,
Speaker 2: and otherwise you have what Mickey experience being a Chicago
Speaker 2: Bears fan forever and oh, I'm sorry living in Chicago.
Speaker 3: Forever and ever.
Speaker 2: Yes, so you were a close observer of the Bears
Speaker 2: not having a quarterback for years and years and years.
Speaker 3: Even when they won the NFL title. That Billy Wade
Speaker 3: was exactly a franchise quarterback, right, you had to go
Speaker 3: back to Sid Luckman. But as I would relate, but
Speaker 3: that's how bad it was.
Speaker 4: But as I would.
Speaker 2: Relate it to the Cowboys going forward. Now, Dak's got
Speaker 2: four years. His new four year contract kicks in next
Speaker 2: year in twenty twenty five. But as you go forward,
Speaker 2: I think the Cowboys need to be really looking at
Speaker 2: first round quarterbacks if they like one that's available there.
Speaker 3: So here's how this also affects the Cowboys because remember,
Speaker 3: even if they won win all three games, they need
Speaker 3: Washington to lose all three games. And next week Atlanta
Speaker 3: plays at Washington.
Speaker 2: And Atlanta clearly believes that they have a better chance
Speaker 2: of beating Washington with Michael Pennix at quarterback than Kirk Cousins.
Speaker 3: Because they don't make this they're a game out, they're
Speaker 3: right in the hunt.
Speaker 6: I know, division, that's amazing how you can just be
Speaker 6: on top of the world at one moment and to
Speaker 6: just dive so quickly.
Speaker 5: And oh my goodness, I.
Speaker 6: Didn't know one touchdown versus nine interceptions in the last
Speaker 6: five games. Oh my goodness, what is going on? But cousin,
Speaker 6: I mean, they've got good wide receivers. It's not like
Speaker 6: they have a bad running game, right. They must have
Speaker 6: had some injuries on the offensive line for him to
Speaker 6: all of a sudden be so ineffective with a wide
Speaker 6: receivers that are extremely capable.
Speaker 5: There was a guy's name Monday Mooney. Mooney, He's the
Speaker 5: heck of a player. And that's going.
Speaker 2: Fifteen points Drake London And they got the fourth pick
Speaker 2: and the draft tight end Kyle Pitts.
Speaker 3: And as we pointed out yesterday, Washington had Philadelphia, Atlanta
Speaker 3: and Dallas left to play. Now playing Atlanta with a
Speaker 3: rookie quarterback who has not really played. I wonder how
Speaker 3: many snaps he's got.
Speaker 2: Three for five throwing that's it. And he didn't play
Speaker 2: much in the preseason either.
Speaker 3: Washington would be embarrassed if they lost that. What if
Speaker 3: Pennix lights it up well against the Giants. Go back
Speaker 3: to his days A lot of people in college, right, Yeah.
Speaker 6: I mean he was good, he's up for the Heisman.
Speaker 6: Come on, that's a tough one. I mean, it's not
Speaker 6: helping us.
Speaker 3: Much, That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: Yeah, but I'm hoping it does.
Speaker 2: Although I have to take Atlanta's uh, since we're not
Speaker 2: watching Atlanta on a weekly basis, we'll take their word
Speaker 2: for it that they have a better chance of wining
Speaker 2: with that as Cousins, so maybe it does help the county, maybe.
Speaker 5: Better play their asses off.
Speaker 3: Although we don't want them to. If the Cowboys win
Speaker 3: all three, we don't want Atlanta to win all three.
Speaker 4: What I'm looking forward to, and they.
Speaker 3: Don't want them to win too either.
Speaker 2: But what I'm looking forward to is when Atlanta goes
Speaker 2: to Washington and Michael Pennix lights it up and then
Speaker 2: Kirk Cousins comes off the field and.
Speaker 3: Tells the media in Washington, you like that? You like it?
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Speaker 5: I believe that Bill.
Speaker 3: I asked him today, I said, don't you wish that
Speaker 3: somebody would attempt a seventy yard field goal against you guys?
Speaker 3: And he goes, oh, they wouldn't do it.
Speaker 5: I'd be just they wouldn't do it. They wouldn't do it.
Speaker 3: They would I said, you get the chance to return
Speaker 3: against all those offensive linemen. He goes, oh, man, I
Speaker 3: know how to set them up.
Speaker 5: No, I don't think any special teams coaches would do that.
Speaker 5: I don't think they.
Speaker 3: Would do well, not to us, not to yeah, because
Speaker 3: of him, right, yeah, yeah, to us. But it sounded like,
Speaker 3: you know, when Fossil was talking about it the other day,
Speaker 3: that you know, if they get the right circumstance, they
Speaker 3: wouldn't hesitate to try again. And I think I pointed
Speaker 3: it out, but he pointed it out that you know,
Speaker 3: the direction they went he was kicking, that was where
Speaker 3: the wind was, and that's where he was struggling warming up.
Speaker 3: And I mean he didn't say this, but I'll say it.
Speaker 3: The ball was cold, and he said that Aubury, yeah,
Speaker 3: and he said Aubrey actually lined up a little further back,
Speaker 3: and he took a skip step before he started his
Speaker 3: regular steps, like he knew he was going to have
Speaker 3: to power it the wind, and that kind of threw
Speaker 3: off his normal swing because it was a lower traject three,
Speaker 3: which if they had anybody six seven on the line,
Speaker 3: they probably could have blocked it. But he he hit
Speaker 3: it hard.
Speaker 5: It just well he overswung, but he oversw.
Speaker 3: That was like when you're when you're playing golf and
Speaker 3: you know it's a par five five hundred yards and
Speaker 3: you go, okay, I got it.
Speaker 5: It's the one.
Speaker 6: Whether there's a car, you can win a truck over
Speaker 6: there in the car three, but that part three is
Speaker 6: about two hundred yards.
Speaker 5: You got you got a muscle up, a muscle out.
Speaker 3: That's like, did I did that? What's playing with this
Speaker 3: guy who was a very particular golfer, and you know,
Speaker 3: everything was just had to be perfect. And he hit
Speaker 3: one and then I went up and I hit my
Speaker 3: drive and I grunted, like I try.
Speaker 6: The youngs, they just I'm gonna take my pitching wedge
Speaker 6: and there's two hundred yards.
Speaker 5: Like, hold up, man, No, that's not happening.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you try too high and then it doesn't pay off.
Speaker 2: The NFC offensive player of the Week this week, and
Speaker 2: he guess.
Speaker 4: Who that might be?
Speaker 3: Baker Mayfield.
Speaker 2: Baker Mayfield his numbers on the season. He is third
Speaker 2: in the league in completion percentage. It's seventy point eight.
Speaker 3: Percent for the season.
Speaker 2: Yes, fourth in the league in passing yards three thy
Speaker 2: eight hundred eighty three. He's fourth in touchdown passes thirty
Speaker 2: five total touchdowns, thirty five passing first downs. He's fourth
Speaker 2: in the league at one eighty two and passer rating
Speaker 2: six at one oh four point one. That's the kind
Speaker 2: of season Baker Mayfield is having for Tampa Bay headed
Speaker 2: here on Sunday night.
Speaker 3: This is not the first time they've played a quarterback
Speaker 3: coming off the NFC Player of the Week award. I
Speaker 3: think I kind of remember that. I don't know if
Speaker 3: Detroit was maybe, but that's happened before. And again, although
Speaker 3: Jordan Lewis and guys and you know this, he's not
Speaker 3: going to say, well I can't play, Oh yeah, I'm
Speaker 3: good to go. I can I can play through this.
Speaker 6: It's like his shoulder, elbow, elbow, Yeah, he can play
Speaker 6: through it.
Speaker 3: I was told if he's a picture, he would be
Speaker 3: sidelined right right. Thing.
Speaker 5: He's blow as scrappy as he is. He had that
Speaker 5: throwing hands. He's not.
Speaker 3: Somebody asked him why he was so scrappy because because
Speaker 3: growing up I was always small.
Speaker 5: You can see it. He's got that Napoleonic compo.
Speaker 3: You got a try harder.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 4: So cornerback? Yeah, So what is it that Jordan is
Speaker 4: dealing with?
Speaker 3: Elbow?
Speaker 5: Elbow?
Speaker 3: Okay, that's why I said if he was a picture
Speaker 3: from right, but he don't John surgery. Uh, just wrap
Speaker 3: that sucker up.
Speaker 4: So what are you thinking of cornerback?
Speaker 3: Well, if he can play, he's gonna play. He'll play then.
Speaker 3: And I don't know enough about Tampa if they go
Speaker 3: three wide all the time, but for two wide, I
Speaker 3: put him out there at cornerback. So you got Bland Lewis.
Speaker 3: Just so what's going on with Rea? We'll find out
Speaker 3: today if he's able to practice?
Speaker 11: What what?
Speaker 5: What's it?
Speaker 3: No, he wasn't a back. It was Butler that had
Speaker 3: the back. I'm trying to remember what his injury was
Speaker 3: But if he can't play, can I can I get
Speaker 3: a can we get a roster? What are we looking
Speaker 3: at him? dB wise, Well, because you know after so
Speaker 3: you're one, DB's are just corners dbs.
Speaker 5: I'm talking about the the tire.
Speaker 3: Well, the guys, the guys that they would trust would
Speaker 3: be mccamo and in the safety position has been healthy
Speaker 3: with but.
Speaker 6: The safety position might be compromised. Believe you might need
Speaker 6: a safety so drop down.
Speaker 2: But so with Mallie Cooker, I say healthy, they've lost.
Speaker 2: I've already lost Marquis Bell.
Speaker 3: I don't think Thomas is not ready to be But as.
Speaker 2: Far as the starters, they've been healthy Mallie Cooker and
Speaker 2: Donovan Wilson and then you've got mcwamou who is.
Speaker 3: A kind of between guy.
Speaker 2: Continue to get of each and then at corner you've
Speaker 2: got were your starters last week, Deron Bland and then
Speaker 2: Jordan Lewis and Amani.
Speaker 3: And then after that it's Andrew Booth.
Speaker 5: We're talking We're not just talking about who's on the.
Speaker 3: I'm talking to health. We're talking healthy. These are active
Speaker 3: guys and if can't play, then the next healthy guy
Speaker 3: on the fifty No, he was being elevated from the
Speaker 3: practice squad that I think that was his third one.
Speaker 3: First two, they elevated him to make him inactive.
Speaker 5: You're talking Booth, Booth, Yes, we talked about this a
Speaker 5: little bit.
Speaker 3: Yes, Camp Hall, Camp Cam hollm uh. He's really a
Speaker 3: special teams guy.
Speaker 2: But the preseason he was he was in the slot, right,
Speaker 2: and he had a pick six in one game in
Speaker 2: the preseason, but he he basically is a slot corner.
Speaker 3: So after that, they signed two guys to the.
Speaker 2: D Delaney and Troy Pride or signed on December third.
Speaker 2: D Delaney he was a veteran guy in the league,
Speaker 2: and Troy Pride is a bigger guy.
Speaker 4: He almost across twin safety.
Speaker 3: Just can't believe they would trust Booth out there. I mean,
Speaker 3: Carolina knew as soon as he got on the field.
Speaker 3: I think the first three passes were to his side.
Speaker 5: And they should be they should be, right, That's just
Speaker 5: that's just good coaching.
Speaker 3: So yeah, that's that's that's what. And now you've got
Speaker 3: to play the defending NFC player, Offensive Player of the Week,
Speaker 3: defending it's weekly crown. Yeah, can you get to in
Speaker 3: a row?
Speaker 5: Uh?
Speaker 3: So, yeah, you better get pressure. I mean, I think
Speaker 3: that's my solution.
Speaker 5: Well, I'll get to them. I'll tell you this. I think.
Speaker 6: As much as we are weak in our secondary, I
Speaker 6: don't think they're going to try to attack us with
Speaker 6: the past. I think they're going to try and run
Speaker 6: on us because you know we're playing they're playing away
Speaker 6: from home. I think they feel more comfortable keeping our
Speaker 6: offense off the field and keeping our crowd quiet. And
Speaker 6: the best way that that's been done in Cowboys Stadium
Speaker 6: in the past has been to run the ball down
Speaker 6: our throats. I think that's gonna be their entire offensive
Speaker 6: game plan. Of course, they can do some things with Baker,
Speaker 6: but they're gonna choose to run this ball on us
Speaker 6: because Bulay Irving is balling, then they are blocking their
Speaker 6: butts off up front.
Speaker 3: He's averaging five points six of carry and he already
Speaker 3: has six rushing touchdowns.
Speaker 5: And he is a shifty, little.
Speaker 3: Dude rookie out of Oregon, Oregon, Oregon Osa better strap
Speaker 3: it on tight.
Speaker 6: And so when you start talking about Jordan Lewis, they
Speaker 6: know what's going on with him. They know his elbows.
Speaker 6: They're gonna run at him. They're gonna run at You
Speaker 6: think he's tough, They're gonna run at him. This is
Speaker 6: gonna be just like the playoff games. They're gonna come
Speaker 6: in here and run that ball on us and try
Speaker 6: and keep us quiet.
Speaker 3: And then then on the other side of that is
Speaker 3: Deron Bland is going to have to be I mean,
Speaker 3: he's got to go after Evans, right. They don't have anybody.
Speaker 5: Else unless you're gonna end up just playing his own
Speaker 5: and if you're playing.
Speaker 3: Zone on the other side and trying to hide, yeah,
Speaker 3: that's going to be difficult.
Speaker 6: And you know these guys, you know they're playing well.
Speaker 6: We've got some guys in the secondary they're playing well. Yeah,
Speaker 6: I'm not I'm not afraid. I'm not afraid about about cornerbacks.
Speaker 2: Now, one thing about Baker, he will turn it over.
Speaker 2: How many fourteen interceptions, fourteen picks, thirty two touchdown passes,
Speaker 2: Well that's two to one, but I mean it's still yeah,
Speaker 2: it's an interception a game.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and what when didn't they have a bunch and
Speaker 3: one reason we know how he is.
Speaker 6: I mean he's gunslinger gunslinger exactly, and he's a streak
Speaker 6: a streak passor he's a streak as him, and we
Speaker 6: can work.
Speaker 5: With that, we can work with.
Speaker 3: It's got to get pressure on him and he will.
Speaker 5: He will.
Speaker 6: He is that guy that loves to scramble and make
Speaker 6: his own plate, make his you know, improvise as much
Speaker 6: as he can. But I've seen it and you guys
Speaker 6: have seen it as well, where he can be a
Speaker 6: little bit, a little hungry, sometimes a little greedy. Sometimes
Speaker 6: he gets out of that pocket and he feels like
Speaker 6: he's invincible, and that's when you can take advantage of him.
Speaker 2: You know, not just Bucky Irving, but Rashad White. He's
Speaker 2: still healthy. And I'm looking at their game against the Chargers.
Speaker 3: And.
Speaker 2: Bucky Irving went for one hundred and seventeen yards on
Speaker 2: fifteen carries and Rashad White's sixty four yards on fifteen carries.
Speaker 5: So we have our own running back like I went
Speaker 5: him back.
Speaker 3: So if they the other thing I'm I was trying
Speaker 3: to remember and I almost forgot the guy. Uh if
Speaker 3: they have to go three linebackers because they're running it
Speaker 3: and de Moon Clark's going to have to play more
Speaker 3: than just special teams. I did too. I was thinking
Speaker 3: Buddy Johnson was up right, but he would have to
Speaker 3: play because last week Zimmer said, when Kendricks wasn't practicing
Speaker 3: and evidently he had some personal issues going on family stuff.
Speaker 5: This is who.
Speaker 3: Kendricks that they were practicing Leophile as the middle linebacker.
Speaker 3: So now he's got his job. If in Kendricks, and
Speaker 3: if you got to go three, then I would imagine
Speaker 3: Clark is the next guy up if they got to
Speaker 3: go three linebackers. So yeah, the injuries, Oh and some
Speaker 3: when I was on the fan, they said there was
Speaker 3: some report out there and overshown he had his surgery,
Speaker 3: and I think the physician that or the surgeon that
Speaker 3: did it, uh suggested that he could be back sooner
Speaker 3: than what's been projected. Do you see anything on that.
Speaker 2: I do from Jordan's Schultz the Schultz report, Cowboys stand
Speaker 2: out linebacker to Marvey on overshow and underwent successful d
Speaker 2: surgery with doctor La Troci, and there's hope he could
Speaker 2: return by mid to late next season, a far more
Speaker 2: optimistic late next season.
Speaker 3: Initially expected, it sounded like he's gonna be back for
Speaker 3: the start of the season. So he ended up going
Speaker 3: to that say it again, I have no idea if
Speaker 3: I'm saying it correct. Well, doctor better than I could.
Speaker 3: Evidently he did his ACL surgery last year, so the
Speaker 3: agent was like, well we we feel more comfortable to
Speaker 3: the agents from l A. He knows the doctor, so
Speaker 3: he did the surgery there instead of going to doctor Cooper,
Speaker 3: who people from all over the country come to here
Speaker 3: to get their ACL repair. Even the uh he did
Speaker 3: the Cubs. Was he a right fielder, first baseman Schwarber
Speaker 3: the year they won the World Series. He got hurt
Speaker 3: in April and he came to doctor Cooper and he
Speaker 3: was d hing by time the World Series started hitting
Speaker 3: home runs too, And I think, but could he tackle anyone?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Could he go sideline to sideline?
Speaker 5: He got you all.
Speaker 3: He got a d h that's all you gotta do.
Speaker 3: And if you hit home runs, you don't have to slide.
Speaker 3: And in football your designated hitter has to be able
Speaker 3: to run before he gets I'm not saying that he
Speaker 3: did such a great job that he could have played football.
Speaker 3: He got him back on the field with it five
Speaker 3: or six months. Yeah, yeah, all right, we continue with
Speaker 3: more mixed shots in a moment.
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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, here's our return music. We get you ready
Speaker 2: for the holiday season, which is here. I haven't hung
Speaker 2: out at Tostitos Championship Plaza this year. I bet it's
Speaker 2: a festive atmosphere out there.
Speaker 3: Out there? Yes twice?
Speaker 5: All right? Now, yeah, all right.
Speaker 2: I got a question before we get back into football here.
Speaker 2: In the last couple of minutes of the show. Did
Speaker 2: you watch the basketball last night? I did, Okay, I
Speaker 2: watched some of it. Did you watch the trophy ceremony afterwards?
Speaker 2: I did not know they had a trophy ceremony. They
Speaker 2: cleared the court.
Speaker 5: Yes for this NBA saw some family members out there,
Speaker 5: all right?
Speaker 2: That game the whole concept of the end season tournament.
Speaker 2: So you fell for this stuff.
Speaker 5: I first off, I just like basketball, right, I don't care,
Speaker 5: but I do.
Speaker 6: But the whole thing that the media has with this tournament,
Speaker 6: and I'm trying to figure out, I'm glad you bought
Speaker 6: this up.
Speaker 5: What is the beef that the media has this game
Speaker 5: last night?
Speaker 2: But this game last night, okay, and they're having a
Speaker 2: ceremony after the game where okay, you're giving an m
Speaker 2: v P for this nd season tournament? Yeah, and do
Speaker 2: we do you care that those players make an extra
Speaker 2: half million dollars?
Speaker 3: How much of that is you?
Speaker 5: No, you don't care what the players make. You care
Speaker 5: that they have somebody to play for.
Speaker 3: So they have an incentive to you can actually playing
Speaker 3: these games.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 2: See, that's there's the beef I have with the whole thing,
Speaker 2: is that the NBA is having to give the players
Speaker 2: incentive to play in games leading up to this whole thing.
Speaker 6: Like the game that's that's separate from the regular schedule.
Speaker 6: So based on that, yeah, I think they're treating it properly.
Speaker 5: So you think you have a momentum.
Speaker 2: So you think as a fan that you're getting a
Speaker 2: better game because the play.
Speaker 3: It was vibrating.
Speaker 2: Okay, you're getting you watched a more competitive game last
Speaker 2: night because of players had something to play for.
Speaker 5: I did, okay, And but let me say this, I
Speaker 5: still thought it was a boring game, right, It was
Speaker 5: a boring game.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Oklahoma City played, did not They had their worst
Speaker 4: game of the.
Speaker 6: Year, but was going on but regardless, and and Milwaukee
Speaker 6: hadn't been doing jack all year.
Speaker 2: But my point on it is the NBA, because the
Speaker 2: season is so long, they're having to trick it up.
Speaker 4: Oh, it's no doubt that's what they're in order to
Speaker 4: generate some interest.
Speaker 3: Well that's the job.
Speaker 5: That's the job.
Speaker 3: Think about it. If it wasn't a whatever pseudo tournament,
Speaker 3: you probably wouldn't have paid attention. Oh I didn't.
Speaker 4: I wouldn't pay attention.
Speaker 10: I know.
Speaker 2: The only the only thing, the only reason he caught
Speaker 2: my eye was they were doing a ceremony at the
Speaker 2: end of the game, giving out a trophy game like
Speaker 2: they just won champion.
Speaker 3: No, they won five hundred and forty thousand dollars.
Speaker 5: Each the okay to celebrate.
Speaker 3: And supposedly half of it's supposed to go to a
Speaker 3: charity or your chaired choice or your our own charity,
Speaker 3: mean like Christmas funds, like kids that don't make it.
Speaker 3: That'll make you play hard.
Speaker 2: So I have a suggestion to the NBA, because the
Speaker 2: way they've set it up is it's like Tuesday, the
Speaker 2: one the group play was the Tuesday games the first
Speaker 2: couple of three weeks, four weeks of the season, and
Speaker 2: then the Friday games were involved.
Speaker 4: It's like you're just picking more exciting.
Speaker 6: If the Mavericks would have been in no, let's do
Speaker 6: this when we closed, I know to me, I would
Speaker 6: have been more interested. Now Bucks fans might be extremely
Speaker 6: interested because they made it.
Speaker 2: Here's what I here's to generate interest because they're going
Speaker 2: up against football season and people don't. The only reason
Speaker 2: that they get anybody watching is on the midweek games
Speaker 2: this time of the year. No one's watching the NBA
Speaker 2: on the weekend going up against the countesday night, Yeah, Tuesday, Wednesday,
Speaker 2: there whatever. Okay, go ahead and count every game and
Speaker 2: then have a little you can have your little tournament
Speaker 2: over a week long span where you've got the knockout
Speaker 2: round and you qualify and then you got knockout round,
Speaker 2: semi final finals. It that way, where every game counts
Speaker 2: leading up to it, and then you're actually playing like
Speaker 2: a beginning of the season tournament because it's another six
Speaker 2: months before you crown your champion for the whole season.
Speaker 2: But that's the perfect time to do it. Then, now
Speaker 2: that's fine and so I have no problem doing it.
Speaker 2: If they'll just use every game, okay, and and then
Speaker 2: you got your best teams, but just picking games at random, okay.
Speaker 2: We're gonna play group play on this too. It'd be
Speaker 2: like in the NFL, Like okay, we're gonna take week two,
Speaker 2: Week four, and week six, we're gonna play group play, okay,
Speaker 2: and whoever has the best record in your group during those.
Speaker 4: Those weeks.
Speaker 3: Now, in week eight, we're gonna have a knockout round, okay.
Speaker 2: And then we're gonna have the semifinals in week nine
Speaker 2: and the championship in week ten.
Speaker 3: Well, you know where they got this idea from, right, soccer?
Speaker 3: Because soccer does it. They have in season tournaments, you know,
Speaker 3: not just your league games, but in the season. Think
Speaker 3: about this, when when the Mavericks played Oklahoma City and
Speaker 3: that was was a like a semi final, quarter final,
Speaker 3: forgot what it was. I actually watched it just out
Speaker 3: of curiosity. Right, I wouldn't have watched four quarters of
Speaker 3: NBA basketball in December. And what they're trying to do
Speaker 3: is make it so you and me would not watch
Speaker 3: if Milwaukee was playing the nests or regular game. Regular
Speaker 3: you're not going to watch it, and at this point
Speaker 3: even the Mavericks just let me know when the fourth
Speaker 3: quarter starts.
Speaker 5: The only reason I watch it is because no other
Speaker 5: football was on.
Speaker 3: Yeah, right, and the rest and the rest and the
Speaker 3: rest of TV is so bad. There's two games tonight.
Speaker 3: There's two games tonight, But I'll watch the NBA. But
Speaker 3: I'll watch it once the playoffs here.
Speaker 2: That's my whole beef about the NBA to begin with,
Speaker 2: is it's like preseason games all the way, y'all.
Speaker 5: We didn't know what you say that you got to
Speaker 5: create the excitement on a Tuesday night. You just have
Speaker 5: to do that. I mean, they have no choice but
Speaker 5: to do that.
Speaker 3: They might have something to say about this.
Speaker 2: Here we go, and this is exactly what This is
Speaker 2: exactly the reason Nate and Frisco has chimed in. This
Speaker 2: all started because players are not playing seventy to eighty
Speaker 2: games a year now. It's because of the load management.
Speaker 3: You can't load management, I must say.
Speaker 6: When there when it is an end game, in season,
Speaker 6: tournament game, you do see you don't see much participation
Speaker 6: from superstars. This be the game where it's like like
Speaker 6: even Lebron is like, man, my foothurts. Now you know
Speaker 6: he's you know, to use him example is bad because
Speaker 6: he takes pride and playing every game.
Speaker 5: But you have some superstars out there be like, I'm
Speaker 5: going to chill in.
Speaker 2: The one league that you probably need load management in
Speaker 2: is football, and you don't have to know you never
Speaker 2: do that and you play at having that, you don't
Speaker 2: have to trick it up at all.
Speaker 5: And I can't.
Speaker 6: I can't see a game where hey, hey, ever since
Speaker 6: you staying out this game? Oh man, you're talking about
Speaker 6: I ain't staying out a game.
Speaker 3: Ever since you came along too soon? Buddha is it
Speaker 3: Buddha Baker? Yeah? That extension forty five million?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Is he a safety?
Speaker 5: He's a safe safety? Yeah, good safety too.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: How much did he.
Speaker 3: Get forty five extension million?
Speaker 5: That's his extension?
Speaker 3: I didn't see what the years were. That's not that much.
Speaker 3: It is for a safety. That's like an office like
Speaker 3: playing a guard. Took it right out of it, so
Speaker 3: you could have a free second year free agent. I
Speaker 3: play guard? Oh man, didn't they I'm looking I was yesterday.
Speaker 3: That just crossed my mind too.
Speaker 5: It's like, did I have something to do today?
Speaker 2: Three year extension worth fifty four million. Thirty million guaranteed.
Speaker 5: Guaranteed. Sounds good.
Speaker 3: It's pretty good. As Pat Summer all said that day,
Speaker 3: we all came around too soon.
Speaker 4: All right, we don't have time to get into this.
Speaker 2: But but the way Osa is playing, Yes, Henrico, I
Speaker 2: know what you're saying, and they're in their contract year.
Speaker 3: But think about this. What's going to differentiate Osa is
Speaker 3: they don't have anybody in the wings waiting to take
Speaker 3: that position.
Speaker 4: They're going to have to do it.
Speaker 3: Running back. Well, you're not going to pay the running
Speaker 3: back what a defensive tackle can make that's playing as well.
Speaker 2: Well, that's the problem is that. Okay, how much money
Speaker 2: do you have to pay defensive tax?
Speaker 3: Have to figure it out because think about it, and
Speaker 3: he's playing okay, look it up. Okay, he's almost played
Speaker 3: eighty percent of the snaps this year as a defensive
Speaker 3: tackle and in the last five games the fuse percentage
Speaker 3: he's played is seventy eight. Are there conversations going on
Speaker 3: right now? I would think so. With Osa's agent, I
Speaker 3: would try to get something done. Give you know, can
Speaker 3: you can you take a I don't know, a fifteen
Speaker 3: million dollars signing bonus four months five months earlier, and.
Speaker 4: It would have benefit them. They have room on the
Speaker 4: cap put this year.
Speaker 3: This year, there's a little left over. Yeah, I was thinking,
Speaker 3: is that something that.
Speaker 2: We can look at here before the end of the
Speaker 2: regular season, where right, they know that they don't have
Speaker 2: to add or they know where they are cap wise,
Speaker 2: and you can use up whatever you got left on.
Speaker 3: An extension for somebody, because somebody, because you don't want
Speaker 3: him to hit the market on the on the web
Speaker 3: market takes we do. We do a mail bag and
Speaker 3: that was the question for the one that I participated
Speaker 3: in for today about OSA and it's like, yeah, you're right.
Speaker 3: I mean they got Mazie, right, who's the next defensive
Speaker 3: tackle's years old? There's nobody, there's nobody on the practice
Speaker 3: with dumping those guys, right, Well, it's a one year deal.
Speaker 3: How much do you have you have to pay to
Speaker 3: get him back?
Speaker 5: Right?
Speaker 3: Which happened with Philip who was the defensive tackle last
Speaker 3: year and he ended up going to Seattle. Jonathan Hankins.
Speaker 3: They wanted him back, right, and they were going to
Speaker 3: pay him what Seattle paid him, but he wanted.
Speaker 4: But he's different type player.
Speaker 3: Than Yeah, he's not your free techniue, but they wanted
Speaker 3: to bring him back. But the Cowboys defensive line coach
Speaker 3: went there to Seattle to be the defensive coordinator, so
Speaker 3: he decided he was going there because he had a
Speaker 3: relationship with him. But they wanted him back.
Speaker 2: So you've got to figure out where Osha fits with
Speaker 2: his numbers that he's put up in four years in
Speaker 2: the league. Where where does he fit with the top
Speaker 2: defensive tackles, you know, And that's the that's the tricky
Speaker 2: part on it.
Speaker 6: Well do they go by what he's doing as an
Speaker 6: individual or are they looking at what we're doing as
Speaker 6: a team, Because if you look at how we're doing
Speaker 6: as a team, I don't think.
Speaker 5: His value is that much. But if you look at
Speaker 5: how he.
Speaker 6: Plays for us as an individual, you know, in his
Speaker 6: own little square spot space, he would be probably more impressible.
Speaker 3: Well let me throw this out at you. Also, Odiggie
Speaker 3: Zoo ranks and the Cowboys with four sacks. With a
Speaker 3: sack on Sunday, he will set the single season career
Speaker 3: high in sacks for himself. Per NFL Pro. Odiggee Zuoa
Speaker 3: has generated thirty two pressures over the past seven weeks
Speaker 3: the most pressures among defensive tackles during that span.
Speaker 5: In seven weeks, you said, yeah.
Speaker 3: Okay, here's that's what he's doing.
Speaker 6: And that's just not those those three games against lesser opponents, right,
Speaker 6: We're talking about those tough games for previous games before that.
Speaker 2: And when you look at the market for defensive tackles
Speaker 2: nom dey Minibk last year he had double figure sacks.
Speaker 3: Okay, he's out a McKinney. He got a four year,
Speaker 3: ninety eight million dollar. Yeah, well, that ain't happening right exactly.
Speaker 2: And that's what I'm saying is where does Osa fit
Speaker 2: in the if he hits the free agent market.
Speaker 5: Well, the higher number is, is it still better off
Speaker 5: of him? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, I mean it still sets
Speaker 5: the tone.
Speaker 2: And that's what you're dealing with when you say, hey,
Speaker 2: let's do a deal now, Well he's got to look
Speaker 2: at it that.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 4: If I do hit the market, where can it go?
Speaker 3: Can I get three years thirty four million?
Speaker 2: Well along those lines, I'm looking for one that is
Speaker 2: in that range. What you're looking at. I don't know
Speaker 2: if it was last year, yeah, it would have been
Speaker 2: last year. Sheldon rankins at age thirty got three years
Speaker 2: twenty four million, but he's had okay, ost is like
Speaker 2: age twenty six, twenty seven, so there zach Allen Broncos
Speaker 2: got Well, I'm trying to get the three years forty
Speaker 2: five million. He's aged twenty seven.
Speaker 3: Ed Oliver was more years sixty eight million, mosa is
Speaker 3: twenty six, so turn twenty seven next age that's prime,
Speaker 3: right it is? He is hold twenty six now okay
Speaker 3: twenty so at Oliver here unless he's got a birthday
Speaker 3: in at.
Speaker 2: Oliver age twenty seven. He becomes a free agent in
Speaker 2: twenty eight, so this is a new deal. He was
Speaker 2: four years sixty eight million, seventeen million a year.
Speaker 3: But remember this is his first year to play. I
Speaker 3: think to this level now he was good his other
Speaker 3: couple of years, but this now clearly right. Okay.
Speaker 2: Devon Hamilton Jaguars, twenty seven years old, three years thirty
Speaker 2: four and a half million dollars.
Speaker 3: Git it right on the head. I should go be
Speaker 3: an agent, all right, gotta.
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