1 00:00:01,440 --> 00:00:06,880 Speaker 1: Body dots. But Joseph's gotten more. I have early memories 2 00:00:08,520 --> 00:00:13,160 Speaker 1: as a child of my mother going through the house 3 00:00:14,400 --> 00:00:22,480 Speaker 1: with lemon fresh pledge wiping down all of the surfaces everything. 4 00:00:22,920 --> 00:00:24,680 Speaker 1: We always had a piano in the house, by the way, 5 00:00:24,760 --> 00:00:28,360 Speaker 1: so you know that is going to be at the 6 00:00:28,360 --> 00:00:30,760 Speaker 1: top list for her. My mother taught piano for years, 7 00:00:33,560 --> 00:00:38,080 Speaker 1: but that smell is always stuck with me. And now 8 00:00:38,400 --> 00:00:41,960 Speaker 1: when I see something that's dust covered, I often think, Wow, 9 00:00:42,680 --> 00:00:46,560 Speaker 1: you know, wish I had a can of pledge could 10 00:00:46,560 --> 00:00:54,040 Speaker 1: wipe it down, remove the dust. Many times, though the 11 00:00:54,200 --> 00:00:59,120 Speaker 1: deposition of dust tells us a lot about a place 12 00:00:59,640 --> 00:01:05,120 Speaker 1: or an object, it's an indication that time has in 13 00:01:05,160 --> 00:01:12,199 Speaker 1: fact passed. Today we're going to talk about the deposition 14 00:01:12,840 --> 00:01:18,759 Speaker 1: of dust, dirt, and grime. Things you might see, for instance, 15 00:01:21,440 --> 00:01:24,640 Speaker 1: on the side of the street where car has been abandoned, 16 00:01:25,760 --> 00:01:30,720 Speaker 1: or maybe in an impound lot. But the thing about 17 00:01:30,760 --> 00:01:37,720 Speaker 1: it is the dust outside never quite reveals sometimes the 18 00:01:37,800 --> 00:01:45,320 Speaker 1: horror that is found within. Coming to you from the 19 00:01:45,319 --> 00:01:50,520 Speaker 1: beautiful campus of Jacksonville State University, I'm Joseph Scott Morgan 20 00:01:50,840 --> 00:01:58,480 Speaker 1: and this is body bags. Well, it's all the rage 21 00:01:58,560 --> 00:02:02,880 Speaker 1: right Nowaday. We can't I can't turn on my computer 22 00:02:03,360 --> 00:02:07,240 Speaker 1: or look at my phone without what we're about to 23 00:02:07,280 --> 00:02:12,880 Speaker 1: discuss being the top line in the news. You know, 24 00:02:12,919 --> 00:02:16,600 Speaker 1: We've had a lot of busy news the last couple 25 00:02:16,639 --> 00:02:21,080 Speaker 1: of weeks, and but this thing keeps popping up, this case, 26 00:02:21,120 --> 00:02:25,280 Speaker 1: and the more it pops up, the I don't know 27 00:02:25,400 --> 00:02:27,840 Speaker 1: which which character was it that it said, Oh, it 28 00:02:27,919 --> 00:02:30,800 Speaker 1: is Alice in Wonderland. It just gets curiouser and curiouser, 29 00:02:32,320 --> 00:02:36,400 Speaker 1: you know, because you know, you begin to think about 30 00:02:37,320 --> 00:02:44,320 Speaker 1: this pop star David who has has got this car 31 00:02:44,639 --> 00:02:49,240 Speaker 1: that has been found abandoned and subsequently put into a 32 00:02:49,240 --> 00:02:52,320 Speaker 1: a lot, and all of a sudden, somebody caught a 33 00:02:52,320 --> 00:02:53,120 Speaker 1: whiff of something. 34 00:02:53,560 --> 00:02:55,520 Speaker 2: Well, I want to go to the timeline. Now we're 35 00:02:55,560 --> 00:03:00,760 Speaker 2: talking about a fifteen year old girl. It's a Leste 36 00:03:00,919 --> 00:03:07,360 Speaker 2: Revs Hernandez who is identified as the body. And I 37 00:03:07,400 --> 00:03:10,440 Speaker 2: want to get into the idea of being dismembered. But 38 00:03:12,600 --> 00:03:18,240 Speaker 2: a fifteen year old missing girl reported missing over a 39 00:03:18,320 --> 00:03:23,360 Speaker 2: year ago, year and a half ago. And that's why 40 00:03:23,400 --> 00:03:25,760 Speaker 2: it's all the rage, because you've got a fifteen year 41 00:03:25,800 --> 00:03:28,639 Speaker 2: old girl dismembered found in the trunk of a tesla 42 00:03:29,400 --> 00:03:32,239 Speaker 2: that was abandoned on the side of the road by 43 00:03:32,800 --> 00:03:38,080 Speaker 2: a fairly new musical artist who goes by We say David, 44 00:03:38,160 --> 00:03:45,760 Speaker 2: but it's spelled D four VD And it is a shocking. 45 00:03:47,200 --> 00:03:50,360 Speaker 2: I don't know any other word that actually really fits 46 00:03:50,480 --> 00:03:56,440 Speaker 2: Joe shocking. A an artist, a twenty year old new 47 00:03:56,560 --> 00:04:00,520 Speaker 2: artist who is out on his first world tour promoting 48 00:04:00,520 --> 00:04:06,440 Speaker 2: his first album. When a very expensive car that is 49 00:04:06,520 --> 00:04:10,640 Speaker 2: registered to him in Texas under his real name, David 50 00:04:10,640 --> 00:04:15,560 Speaker 2: Anthony Burke is just abandoned on the street. That's bad enough, 51 00:04:15,960 --> 00:04:18,240 Speaker 2: you know, think about it at twenty years old. How 52 00:04:18,320 --> 00:04:21,440 Speaker 2: much does a Tesla cost? Over one hundred thousand dollars? 53 00:04:21,520 --> 00:04:22,200 Speaker 3: Right, yep? 54 00:04:22,839 --> 00:04:26,159 Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know, depending upon bells and whistles and 55 00:04:26,240 --> 00:04:28,599 Speaker 1: you know the model. 56 00:04:28,839 --> 00:04:31,080 Speaker 2: I think, do you think some of those bells and 57 00:04:31,080 --> 00:04:32,680 Speaker 2: whistles are going to come into play in this? 58 00:04:32,920 --> 00:04:35,600 Speaker 1: Yeah? I think they will. I look, I have to 59 00:04:36,000 --> 00:04:38,280 Speaker 1: I have to think because I got to tell you 60 00:04:40,320 --> 00:04:44,200 Speaker 1: we were just having a discussion before we started, brother Dave, 61 00:04:44,440 --> 00:04:49,880 Speaker 1: and I was thinking about the technology that's at our disposal. 62 00:04:51,000 --> 00:04:53,360 Speaker 1: And I'm talking in real broad terms right now, So 63 00:04:53,480 --> 00:04:54,600 Speaker 1: give me a little rope here. 64 00:04:56,360 --> 00:04:56,840 Speaker 3: It's like. 65 00:04:59,279 --> 00:05:01,680 Speaker 1: I'm an old death the investigator of a forensics guy, 66 00:05:02,960 --> 00:05:07,760 Speaker 1: and now even the things that I've seen over the 67 00:05:07,760 --> 00:05:12,039 Speaker 1: course of my life as working in forensics and being 68 00:05:12,080 --> 00:05:15,640 Speaker 1: around really bright people, I don't necessarily count myself as 69 00:05:15,640 --> 00:05:17,880 Speaker 1: a really bright person compared to some of the folks 70 00:05:17,960 --> 00:05:21,920 Speaker 1: I know. I've just kind of hung around, like you say, 71 00:05:22,000 --> 00:05:24,200 Speaker 1: as a hair and a biscuit that can't get rid 72 00:05:24,240 --> 00:05:27,520 Speaker 1: of me. But we're in a whole different world. 73 00:05:27,600 --> 00:05:27,880 Speaker 3: Brother. 74 00:05:29,320 --> 00:05:32,039 Speaker 1: When you think about technology, how many cases have you 75 00:05:32,120 --> 00:05:35,159 Speaker 1: and I covered on body bags just in the year 76 00:05:35,200 --> 00:05:40,720 Speaker 1: twenty twenty five so far in our catalog since January 77 00:05:41,400 --> 00:05:46,000 Speaker 1: where some kind of technology, new technology has come into play. 78 00:05:46,760 --> 00:05:51,080 Speaker 1: And you know, I think about Tesla. Tesla is one 79 00:05:51,120 --> 00:05:56,360 Speaker 1: of those things where the vehicles, whether you like evs 80 00:05:56,480 --> 00:06:01,560 Speaker 1: or not, it is it is getting to the point 81 00:06:01,560 --> 00:06:04,479 Speaker 1: where it's iconic in a sense that it's a marker 82 00:06:04,520 --> 00:06:08,560 Speaker 1: in time for the state of our technology. It's representative 83 00:06:08,600 --> 00:06:11,880 Speaker 1: of a lot of stuff, you know, everything from a 84 00:06:11,920 --> 00:06:16,200 Speaker 1: smart car to something that runs doesn't run on a 85 00:06:16,240 --> 00:06:20,800 Speaker 1: gas combustible engine. You think about musk, you know, going 86 00:06:20,800 --> 00:06:22,600 Speaker 1: to moon and when you ride in one of the 87 00:06:22,640 --> 00:06:26,240 Speaker 1: things which I've had an opportunity to ride and several 88 00:06:26,240 --> 00:06:29,880 Speaker 1: of them that have been ubers. It can't hear the thing, 89 00:06:31,360 --> 00:06:34,440 Speaker 1: and it's you know, there's all these screens and all 90 00:06:34,440 --> 00:06:37,560 Speaker 1: these sorts of things that are contained therein you know, 91 00:06:37,720 --> 00:06:39,720 Speaker 1: a guy like me. I don't want to speak out 92 00:06:39,720 --> 00:06:42,760 Speaker 1: of turn for you, but you know, it's I would 93 00:06:42,760 --> 00:06:48,000 Speaker 1: imagine you the same. We sit in here and you know, 94 00:06:48,000 --> 00:06:50,320 Speaker 1: and I have to think, you know now, I kind 95 00:06:50,320 --> 00:06:52,000 Speaker 1: of feel like, you know, one of those people that 96 00:06:53,120 --> 00:06:57,279 Speaker 1: back in the early nineteen hundreds that have been riding 97 00:06:57,279 --> 00:07:01,160 Speaker 1: buck boards their entire life suddenly got into an automobile 98 00:07:01,360 --> 00:07:03,720 Speaker 1: and they were like, wow, how is this even possible? 99 00:07:03,839 --> 00:07:05,440 Speaker 1: And we were kind of like in that, And so 100 00:07:05,600 --> 00:07:08,600 Speaker 1: this is a marking time. It's a marking crime science too, 101 00:07:09,480 --> 00:07:12,080 Speaker 1: because I don't know if you recall this. I don't 102 00:07:12,120 --> 00:07:14,360 Speaker 1: want to give anything away too far, but I'll put 103 00:07:14,400 --> 00:07:16,040 Speaker 1: it to you this way. And you and I had 104 00:07:17,120 --> 00:07:20,400 Speaker 1: had a planning meeting over the phone and I mentioned 105 00:07:20,400 --> 00:07:22,480 Speaker 1: this and you said you remembered it at the time. 106 00:07:22,520 --> 00:07:27,680 Speaker 1: Do you remember when the Idaho murders took place? One 107 00:07:27,680 --> 00:07:30,440 Speaker 1: of the questions they were asking were there any teslas around? 108 00:07:31,560 --> 00:07:36,040 Speaker 1: And I didn't understand it. I didn't, you know, because 109 00:07:36,040 --> 00:07:39,280 Speaker 1: it's so out of my depth. I didn't understand, you know, 110 00:07:39,360 --> 00:07:42,880 Speaker 1: because they're like these little centuries. You know, they're out there, 111 00:07:44,440 --> 00:07:48,200 Speaker 1: not in the numerical sense, I mean like century s E. N. T. R. Y. 112 00:07:48,920 --> 00:07:51,000 Speaker 1: You know you're sitting there and there watching. You know, 113 00:07:51,040 --> 00:07:53,640 Speaker 1: they have these sensors. So I don't know. For me, 114 00:07:54,200 --> 00:07:58,480 Speaker 1: it's a braving world. And the fact that this automobile 115 00:07:58,600 --> 00:08:05,080 Speaker 1: actually plays in to this story that involves this individual. 116 00:08:06,200 --> 00:08:08,920 Speaker 1: And you got to tell a story for all of 117 00:08:08,960 --> 00:08:15,800 Speaker 1: our friends. But a kid that has risen up through technology. 118 00:08:16,920 --> 00:08:20,600 Speaker 1: You know, you've been in radio forever and you understand 119 00:08:20,640 --> 00:08:23,960 Speaker 1: the guts of the music industry. Guys, listen, let me 120 00:08:23,960 --> 00:08:26,480 Speaker 1: tell you something about my friend here. He can tell 121 00:08:26,520 --> 00:08:30,120 Speaker 1: you more. He's forgotten more stuff about the famous rock 122 00:08:30,200 --> 00:08:33,679 Speaker 1: stars and pop stars and country stars and Christian stars, 123 00:08:33,960 --> 00:08:37,040 Speaker 1: all these people that have walked through the studio with 124 00:08:37,120 --> 00:08:39,840 Speaker 1: him there, and how the music industry works. I said, hey, 125 00:08:39,840 --> 00:08:42,760 Speaker 1: I could have listened to him for hours. And this 126 00:08:42,800 --> 00:08:45,400 Speaker 1: is a new world, Dave, this is a new world 127 00:08:45,559 --> 00:08:49,280 Speaker 1: that we've entered into. It is Please, if you don't mind, 128 00:08:49,320 --> 00:08:53,360 Speaker 1: please impart your knowledge about this because again I'm out 129 00:08:53,360 --> 00:08:54,679 Speaker 1: of touch with it. 130 00:08:54,400 --> 00:08:58,480 Speaker 2: It is so weird that my grandson, Braylan. Yeah, is 131 00:08:58,559 --> 00:09:01,440 Speaker 2: the reason I know, or actually it's the reason I 132 00:09:01,440 --> 00:09:06,599 Speaker 2: started learning what was taking place within the music industry. 133 00:09:07,000 --> 00:09:12,920 Speaker 2: Because gaming has been a big part of entertainment since 134 00:09:13,440 --> 00:09:15,800 Speaker 2: you know, the early eighties really you know when you 135 00:09:16,000 --> 00:09:20,640 Speaker 2: got the first home game consoles, but the computer generation 136 00:09:20,800 --> 00:09:23,319 Speaker 2: of games that has grown to where it is interactive 137 00:09:23,360 --> 00:09:28,160 Speaker 2: online now, using games such as Fortnite as the example. Here, 138 00:09:29,480 --> 00:09:36,400 Speaker 2: you have people that record themselves playing Fortnite and they 139 00:09:36,480 --> 00:09:41,280 Speaker 2: post it on YouTube and they show they're actually talented 140 00:09:41,360 --> 00:09:44,800 Speaker 2: at being entertaining talking about what they're doing in the 141 00:09:44,840 --> 00:09:46,920 Speaker 2: game and how they're doing it and what they're trying 142 00:09:46,920 --> 00:09:52,000 Speaker 2: to accomplish. And those like my grandson, he's watching, you know, 143 00:09:52,040 --> 00:09:54,800 Speaker 2: and learning how to get these things, and it's a 144 00:09:54,880 --> 00:10:00,640 Speaker 2: fascinating thing. The game is and it happens with right now. 145 00:10:00,679 --> 00:10:03,240 Speaker 2: We have so many of these so called YouTube celebrities 146 00:10:03,400 --> 00:10:06,319 Speaker 2: who built their careers on gaming channels, you know, which 147 00:10:06,400 --> 00:10:08,560 Speaker 2: is them playing a game and showing you tricks and 148 00:10:08,600 --> 00:10:12,480 Speaker 2: things like that. Well, this guy, David Anthony Burke, he 149 00:10:13,200 --> 00:10:18,360 Speaker 2: became a Fortnite officionado online. He starts playing the game. 150 00:10:18,480 --> 00:10:21,600 Speaker 2: He's really he still is a gamer at heart. But 151 00:10:22,440 --> 00:10:27,040 Speaker 2: he actually built his entire music career because he was 152 00:10:27,120 --> 00:10:32,640 Speaker 2: making Please remember he's only twenty now, only twenty now. 153 00:10:33,120 --> 00:10:36,600 Speaker 2: A couple of years ago, he was releasing these videos 154 00:10:37,040 --> 00:10:40,040 Speaker 2: of him playing Fortnite on YouTube and he was making money. 155 00:10:40,559 --> 00:10:45,000 Speaker 2: But he got demonetized because he was using music that 156 00:10:45,120 --> 00:10:47,960 Speaker 2: he didn't own. You know, that was popular music he 157 00:10:48,080 --> 00:10:50,520 Speaker 2: was using in his videos and his tutorials and in 158 00:10:50,559 --> 00:10:53,880 Speaker 2: his entertainment, and you can't do that without paying rights 159 00:10:53,880 --> 00:10:56,679 Speaker 2: fees for it. So if Joseph Scott Morgan and I 160 00:10:56,720 --> 00:10:59,640 Speaker 2: record a song that you really like and you included 161 00:10:59,640 --> 00:11:03,000 Speaker 2: in your videos, you're gonna lose. You're gonna get demonetized 162 00:11:03,000 --> 00:11:05,040 Speaker 2: because you don't have the rights to use that song. 163 00:11:05,480 --> 00:11:08,640 Speaker 2: That's the way it is now. That happened to David 164 00:11:08,720 --> 00:11:11,920 Speaker 2: Anthony Burke. So he's fussing with his mother now. He's 165 00:11:11,960 --> 00:11:14,280 Speaker 2: living in Houston. He was born in the Bronx. This 166 00:11:14,360 --> 00:11:16,480 Speaker 2: is important because a lot of people are saying he's 167 00:11:16,480 --> 00:11:18,440 Speaker 2: from New York. He is not from New York. He 168 00:11:18,520 --> 00:11:22,640 Speaker 2: was born and raised in New York. He is from Houston, Texas, which, 169 00:11:22,679 --> 00:11:27,000 Speaker 2: by the way, is where this tesla was registered. David 170 00:11:27,080 --> 00:11:32,520 Speaker 2: Anthony Burke, but David Anthony Burg's mom. She gets tired 171 00:11:32,520 --> 00:11:35,120 Speaker 2: of hearing him fussing about not making any money with 172 00:11:35,160 --> 00:11:38,200 Speaker 2: his YouTube videos anymore, and she says, why don't you 173 00:11:38,400 --> 00:11:41,480 Speaker 2: just make your own music to put on your videos, 174 00:11:42,960 --> 00:11:45,920 Speaker 2: And he actually says okay. He downloads an app to 175 00:11:45,920 --> 00:11:49,640 Speaker 2: his iPhone and boom, he's creating his own music and 176 00:11:49,720 --> 00:11:52,800 Speaker 2: lyrics and everything and putting it on his Fortnite videos 177 00:11:54,000 --> 00:11:57,000 Speaker 2: and people liked it. He found and this is a 178 00:11:57,040 --> 00:12:00,480 Speaker 2: guy without any musical training, so we've been told it's 179 00:12:00,520 --> 00:12:04,360 Speaker 2: a great it's an incredible story. So out of being demonetized, 180 00:12:04,960 --> 00:12:06,920 Speaker 2: his mom tells him make your own music. He does, 181 00:12:07,000 --> 00:12:09,480 Speaker 2: it becomes successful, it goes viral on YouTube, and then 182 00:12:09,480 --> 00:12:13,920 Speaker 2: he goes to TikTok where it explodes. And that is 183 00:12:13,960 --> 00:12:17,360 Speaker 2: what led to where in terms of his career, where 184 00:12:17,400 --> 00:12:20,440 Speaker 2: he recorded and released his first album in April of 185 00:12:20,480 --> 00:12:23,600 Speaker 2: this year, and he's now out on a world tour 186 00:12:23,679 --> 00:12:29,600 Speaker 2: that just started with that album. That began as a 187 00:12:29,600 --> 00:12:33,520 Speaker 2: way of making money on his Fortnite YouTube videos. So 188 00:12:33,559 --> 00:12:35,720 Speaker 2: that's where it began. That's where he came into the money. 189 00:12:35,720 --> 00:12:38,640 Speaker 2: And that's why I told you earlier think about the money. 190 00:12:38,720 --> 00:12:44,320 Speaker 2: This young guy was making on these platforms, YouTube, TikTok, 191 00:12:44,400 --> 00:12:47,960 Speaker 2: what have you, that he could buy a Tesla, and 192 00:12:47,960 --> 00:12:52,640 Speaker 2: by the way, not just buy a Tesla, but rent 193 00:12:52,640 --> 00:12:55,280 Speaker 2: a twenty thousand dollars a month home in the Hollywood Hills. 194 00:12:55,559 --> 00:12:56,880 Speaker 1: I can't even fan. 195 00:12:57,160 --> 00:13:02,360 Speaker 2: Then leave this tesla abandoned is how it was reported, 196 00:13:02,800 --> 00:13:05,360 Speaker 2: abandoned on the road right in front of the house, 197 00:13:05,800 --> 00:13:08,000 Speaker 2: you know, on the street. He just leaves it parked 198 00:13:08,000 --> 00:13:09,480 Speaker 2: there and goes out. 199 00:13:09,600 --> 00:13:11,800 Speaker 1: It's like, well, I got to tell you if I'm 200 00:13:11,840 --> 00:13:15,360 Speaker 1: living in a neighborhood, If I'm living in a neighborhood 201 00:13:16,000 --> 00:13:22,000 Speaker 1: and it is populated with structures that at least for 202 00:13:22,120 --> 00:13:24,520 Speaker 1: his I'm sure you didn't have the biggest, biggest house 203 00:13:24,520 --> 00:13:29,199 Speaker 1: there and you're asking twenty grand a month for rental. 204 00:13:29,920 --> 00:13:32,600 Speaker 1: I got questions when there's an abandoned car in the 205 00:13:32,600 --> 00:13:34,920 Speaker 1: middle of the road or on the side of the road, 206 00:13:35,000 --> 00:13:38,880 Speaker 1: because aesthetically, when I'm coming home and I'm paying out 207 00:13:38,880 --> 00:13:41,760 Speaker 1: all that, Jack, I got to tell you, man, I 208 00:13:42,280 --> 00:13:44,840 Speaker 1: ain't pulling up to see julopies abandoned on the side 209 00:13:44,840 --> 00:13:45,280 Speaker 1: of the road. 210 00:13:45,440 --> 00:13:46,320 Speaker 3: I want to be on. 211 00:13:48,120 --> 00:13:50,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, even if it is a Tesla, I don't care, 212 00:13:50,480 --> 00:13:51,880 Speaker 1: you know, if I'm paying that kind of money to 213 00:13:51,920 --> 00:13:54,000 Speaker 1: live in the neighborhood, I want to know, you know, 214 00:13:54,559 --> 00:13:57,760 Speaker 1: why is this dirty car, you know, sitting out here on. 215 00:13:57,720 --> 00:14:01,040 Speaker 3: The road, And that's what happened. That's actually no fan. 216 00:14:01,160 --> 00:14:03,200 Speaker 1: I'm no fan of what do they call these things? 217 00:14:03,600 --> 00:14:06,000 Speaker 1: Hoa's I live out the countryside. I don't know. I 218 00:14:06,040 --> 00:14:08,480 Speaker 1: hear these horror stories. I'm no fan of that kind 219 00:14:08,480 --> 00:14:12,080 Speaker 1: of thing. But I got to tell you, if you know, 220 00:14:12,120 --> 00:14:15,800 Speaker 1: if you're if you're in that atmosphere, you know, people 221 00:14:15,880 --> 00:14:18,480 Speaker 1: are going to start to ask questions. Even in big city, 222 00:14:18,600 --> 00:14:20,440 Speaker 1: you know, where people ignore one another. They don't know 223 00:14:20,440 --> 00:14:21,200 Speaker 1: who your neighbor are. 224 00:14:22,120 --> 00:14:24,440 Speaker 2: They did, and they actually did get tired of it. 225 00:14:24,480 --> 00:14:26,880 Speaker 2: And after a couple of weeks we're getting anywhere from 226 00:14:26,880 --> 00:14:30,120 Speaker 2: three to five weeks of that car sitting there, neighbors 227 00:14:30,120 --> 00:14:32,720 Speaker 2: had enough and they called and had it towed away. 228 00:14:33,320 --> 00:14:35,960 Speaker 2: The car was taken to the impound lot on September 229 00:14:36,000 --> 00:14:39,800 Speaker 2: the third, and after a couple of days in the 230 00:14:39,800 --> 00:14:45,000 Speaker 2: impound lot, they're going, man, something really stanks out here. 231 00:14:45,720 --> 00:14:50,240 Speaker 2: And they they being the employees, start looking, where's the 232 00:14:50,280 --> 00:14:53,640 Speaker 2: smell coming from from that tesla? Now the trunk is 233 00:14:53,640 --> 00:14:56,880 Speaker 2: in the front and a quick look inside they didn't 234 00:14:56,880 --> 00:15:00,680 Speaker 2: see anything. But when they popped the trunk they saw everything. 235 00:15:01,120 --> 00:15:02,160 Speaker 2: I get in a bag. 236 00:15:02,800 --> 00:15:08,720 Speaker 1: And that's the horror of this because as talented as 237 00:15:08,760 --> 00:15:14,280 Speaker 1: this young man is, as gifted as he appears to 238 00:15:14,320 --> 00:15:20,760 Speaker 1: be with ringing in the dough, it really makes you 239 00:15:20,800 --> 00:15:26,800 Speaker 1: wonder were there any twelve or thirteen year old girls 240 00:15:27,600 --> 00:15:32,040 Speaker 1: listening to his music that may have developed an affection 241 00:15:32,160 --> 00:15:54,680 Speaker 1: for him. Celessne reeves she would be fifteen chronologically, she'd 242 00:15:54,680 --> 00:16:00,120 Speaker 1: be fifteen right now. Okay, if she were alive. A 243 00:16:00,360 --> 00:16:07,080 Speaker 1: big reveal here, she ain't. That's been scientifically verified by 244 00:16:07,120 --> 00:16:10,640 Speaker 1: the medical examiner out in Los Angeles County. We know 245 00:16:11,880 --> 00:16:16,280 Speaker 1: who the body is the or who the body belongs to. 246 00:16:17,240 --> 00:16:18,480 Speaker 1: Who this person is. 247 00:16:18,760 --> 00:16:22,720 Speaker 2: I got to ask you about this, Joe, because when again, 248 00:16:23,280 --> 00:16:26,320 Speaker 2: just going to the meat and potatoes. Here, a car 249 00:16:26,680 --> 00:16:30,360 Speaker 2: is a labeled abandoned on a street on a residential area. 250 00:16:30,760 --> 00:16:33,640 Speaker 2: The neighbors call it in. It is towed to an 251 00:16:33,680 --> 00:16:37,840 Speaker 2: impound lot. After a couple of days, the stench attracts 252 00:16:37,840 --> 00:16:40,600 Speaker 2: flies or whatever, and they go look and inside the 253 00:16:40,640 --> 00:16:46,560 Speaker 2: trunk of the car they find a bag containing a person. 254 00:16:47,200 --> 00:16:48,360 Speaker 2: So they call police. 255 00:16:48,480 --> 00:16:48,720 Speaker 3: Joe. 256 00:16:48,920 --> 00:16:52,200 Speaker 2: Now, when police arrive on the scene at the impound lot, 257 00:16:52,400 --> 00:16:56,200 Speaker 2: what is the process going to be when they arrive 258 00:16:56,400 --> 00:16:59,640 Speaker 2: to this rancid smell? Because you know what, Joe, it 259 00:16:59,720 --> 00:17:02,400 Speaker 2: could be a dog in the car or in the 260 00:17:02,400 --> 00:17:05,040 Speaker 2: bag and a management you know, it could. 261 00:17:04,840 --> 00:17:07,159 Speaker 1: Be any Let me tell you something. It could be 262 00:17:07,160 --> 00:17:11,040 Speaker 1: somebody that forgot their groceries. That happens, you know, you 263 00:17:11,080 --> 00:17:12,320 Speaker 1: go through the frozen food all. 264 00:17:12,800 --> 00:17:13,440 Speaker 3: Yeah. 265 00:17:13,520 --> 00:17:17,280 Speaker 1: I've walked into houses with decomposing bodies of people that 266 00:17:17,440 --> 00:17:20,480 Speaker 1: died immediately after getting back from the grocery store and 267 00:17:20,480 --> 00:17:23,719 Speaker 1: they left, they left the groceries out on the table 268 00:17:23,960 --> 00:17:26,119 Speaker 1: in the kitchen. They just brought them in. I remember 269 00:17:26,160 --> 00:17:29,720 Speaker 1: one case in particular where a person obviously had an 270 00:17:29,880 --> 00:17:33,400 Speaker 1: m I you know, a heart attack and they died 271 00:17:33,440 --> 00:17:37,639 Speaker 1: in the hallway after having brought the groceries into the house, 272 00:17:37,720 --> 00:17:42,679 Speaker 1: and the groceries were rotting there along with the body 273 00:17:42,680 --> 00:17:45,840 Speaker 1: which is decomposing down the hallway. So yeah, you you 274 00:17:45,960 --> 00:17:48,600 Speaker 1: never know, you know what's going to be there. 275 00:17:48,680 --> 00:17:49,720 Speaker 3: But I got to. 276 00:17:49,640 --> 00:17:54,720 Speaker 1: Tell you you're walking around in that, you get a whiff 277 00:17:54,760 --> 00:17:59,040 Speaker 1: of that, and like I've said before, you know previously, 278 00:17:59,160 --> 00:18:02,919 Speaker 1: you're you're gonna questions relative to you know, what's the 279 00:18:02,960 --> 00:18:05,400 Speaker 1: source of the right, what is this happening? 280 00:18:05,440 --> 00:18:05,640 Speaker 3: Man? 281 00:18:06,119 --> 00:18:07,520 Speaker 1: Was it happening any of? 282 00:18:07,560 --> 00:18:11,800 Speaker 2: The first news that came out was okay, police have 283 00:18:11,960 --> 00:18:15,640 Speaker 2: found the body of a of a female, Yeah, in 284 00:18:15,680 --> 00:18:21,080 Speaker 2: this Tesla And it did not take long before again 285 00:18:21,160 --> 00:18:23,480 Speaker 2: it is an expensive car at Tesla and it's found 286 00:18:23,520 --> 00:18:27,880 Speaker 2: in the Hollywood Hills. So TMZ the website, they're all 287 00:18:27,920 --> 00:18:31,119 Speaker 2: over it, you know, and they are right on the 288 00:18:31,160 --> 00:18:32,919 Speaker 2: cusp of finding out who owns. 289 00:18:32,680 --> 00:18:34,359 Speaker 3: This car, who's it registered to. 290 00:18:35,000 --> 00:18:39,200 Speaker 2: So before we knew who this individual was in the car, 291 00:18:39,520 --> 00:18:42,800 Speaker 2: we knew that it was. Oh, the Tesla was registered 292 00:18:42,840 --> 00:18:46,960 Speaker 2: in Texas to David Anthony Burke, who goes by the 293 00:18:47,080 --> 00:18:51,760 Speaker 2: name d Well David spelled d the number four VD. 294 00:18:52,280 --> 00:18:56,520 Speaker 2: So this artist, David, the car is registered to him 295 00:18:56,800 --> 00:19:01,440 Speaker 2: and police are investigating the body. Now what do they do, Joe, 296 00:19:01,840 --> 00:19:06,440 Speaker 2: Because we know the odor has overtaken the lot. I've 297 00:19:06,480 --> 00:19:09,960 Speaker 2: seen the red or the yellow tape, you know, around 298 00:19:10,040 --> 00:19:14,959 Speaker 2: the cars, and the vehicle is being searched. What method 299 00:19:15,000 --> 00:19:18,399 Speaker 2: are they going to use? What takes place? I'm guessing 300 00:19:18,440 --> 00:19:20,800 Speaker 2: they don't just grab the bag and throw it in 301 00:19:20,840 --> 00:19:21,080 Speaker 2: a car. 302 00:19:21,119 --> 00:19:23,840 Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, no, you would never do that. 303 00:19:25,320 --> 00:19:28,440 Speaker 1: You have to be very purposed and planned when you're 304 00:19:28,800 --> 00:19:36,439 Speaker 1: entering into this process. The car itself is a crime scene. 305 00:19:36,840 --> 00:19:39,520 Speaker 1: It's certainly a death scene, all right. Now. I can't 306 00:19:39,600 --> 00:19:43,240 Speaker 1: say the crime has been committed that you know, an 307 00:19:43,240 --> 00:19:45,680 Speaker 1: actual homicide has been committed in the car. You don't 308 00:19:45,760 --> 00:19:47,560 Speaker 1: know that, but you have to. 309 00:19:48,040 --> 00:19:49,760 Speaker 3: I've never actually heard you say that before. 310 00:19:50,240 --> 00:19:52,359 Speaker 2: A crime scene and a death scene, but they are 311 00:19:52,400 --> 00:19:53,280 Speaker 2: two different things. 312 00:19:53,480 --> 00:19:56,800 Speaker 1: They are they are because you know, first off, let's 313 00:19:56,800 --> 00:19:59,159 Speaker 1: just say that you had an intact body that was 314 00:19:59,200 --> 00:20:01,639 Speaker 1: found in the car, all right, it doesn't make it 315 00:20:01,680 --> 00:20:04,040 Speaker 1: a homicide scene. There are people that die in cars 316 00:20:04,040 --> 00:20:06,960 Speaker 1: that every single day, you know it just you know, 317 00:20:07,000 --> 00:20:10,879 Speaker 1: they die motor vehicle accidents or they die of some 318 00:20:11,000 --> 00:20:14,919 Speaker 1: kind of natural disease. And people need to remember, just 319 00:20:15,040 --> 00:20:17,199 Speaker 1: on a little side here, people need to remember the 320 00:20:17,280 --> 00:20:20,520 Speaker 1: number one killer in America's heart disease. It's not all 321 00:20:20,520 --> 00:20:24,320 Speaker 1: these traumatic things that you hear about. So think about it. 322 00:20:24,480 --> 00:20:30,040 Speaker 1: How just reflect my friends out there, about your loved 323 00:20:30,040 --> 00:20:36,000 Speaker 1: ones or somebody that suddenly succumb and they weren't traumatized, 324 00:20:36,280 --> 00:20:39,000 Speaker 1: you know, they weren't shot or stabbed or beaten. They 325 00:20:39,000 --> 00:20:41,639 Speaker 1: may have been at the grocery store. They may have 326 00:20:41,680 --> 00:20:44,800 Speaker 1: been outwalking the dog. They may have been over at 327 00:20:44,800 --> 00:20:48,880 Speaker 1: their child's house, you know, holding the grand babies, and 328 00:20:48,920 --> 00:20:52,119 Speaker 1: suddenly they clutch their chest. People die in all kinds 329 00:20:52,119 --> 00:20:55,560 Speaker 1: of places. So yeah, there's a difference between a death 330 00:20:55,600 --> 00:20:59,720 Speaker 1: scene and a crime scene. Crime scene implies that I 331 00:20:59,800 --> 00:21:03,879 Speaker 1: ve goes without stating I guess, but obviously that you know, 332 00:21:04,359 --> 00:21:06,480 Speaker 1: there has in fact been a violation of a law 333 00:21:06,560 --> 00:21:11,520 Speaker 1: here in this particular case, I can guarantee you when 334 00:21:11,520 --> 00:21:13,800 Speaker 1: they opened up that trunk and they verified that you 335 00:21:13,960 --> 00:21:19,840 Speaker 1: had we'll go and say a dismembered human remain in there. Well, 336 00:21:21,400 --> 00:21:29,720 Speaker 1: this scene actually becomes the primary scene, because in our world, 337 00:21:29,800 --> 00:21:36,960 Speaker 1: if you have a dead body wherever the corpus delecti is, 338 00:21:37,359 --> 00:21:41,200 Speaker 1: that is the primary scene, okay, and then everything else 339 00:21:41,400 --> 00:21:44,359 Speaker 1: radiates out from that. Now you've got a lot of 340 00:21:44,480 --> 00:21:48,280 Speaker 1: locations involved here, Dave, I mean you really do. There's 341 00:21:48,280 --> 00:21:51,280 Speaker 1: all kinds of secondary scenes, and you've got a ton 342 00:21:51,359 --> 00:21:55,320 Speaker 1: of what referred to as tertiary scenes too. So you 343 00:21:55,320 --> 00:21:57,800 Speaker 1: think about a secondary crime scene, Well, the first thing 344 00:21:57,840 --> 00:22:01,560 Speaker 1: I'm thinking about is a domicile. You know, the owner 345 00:22:01,600 --> 00:22:03,800 Speaker 1: of this car. Where does he lived? Well, we know 346 00:22:03,840 --> 00:22:06,800 Speaker 1: he lives in the Hollywood Hills. Where was the car found? 347 00:22:06,800 --> 00:22:08,919 Speaker 1: Well it was out on the curb. Well, he's got 348 00:22:08,960 --> 00:22:12,600 Speaker 1: a garage. Why wouldn't this car parked in the garage? 349 00:22:12,680 --> 00:22:15,480 Speaker 1: Because when they opened the garage at his house, well, 350 00:22:15,520 --> 00:22:17,920 Speaker 1: I'll be dog gone, there's another Tesla in the garage. 351 00:22:19,040 --> 00:22:23,520 Speaker 1: So you know, when you think about this, why in 352 00:22:23,560 --> 00:22:29,240 Speaker 1: the world would you take a car that has a 353 00:22:29,280 --> 00:22:33,840 Speaker 1: dismembered human remain in it and parking on the street. 354 00:22:35,119 --> 00:22:37,720 Speaker 1: You know, who has knowledge? I think the big question 355 00:22:37,840 --> 00:22:40,720 Speaker 1: is who has actual knowledge of this. I'm not saying 356 00:22:40,720 --> 00:22:43,840 Speaker 1: there's a perpetrator. I'm just saying, Okay, you're the first 357 00:22:43,840 --> 00:22:49,320 Speaker 1: person I'm going to is David. All right, I'm going 358 00:22:49,400 --> 00:22:51,680 Speaker 1: to have a question for you. Sure, when's the last 359 00:22:51,720 --> 00:22:55,280 Speaker 1: time you operated this vehicle? Is a vehicle operational? Is 360 00:22:55,280 --> 00:22:58,320 Speaker 1: there a problem with it? Do you commonly park your 361 00:22:58,359 --> 00:23:03,200 Speaker 1: car on the street? Is this something that you normally do? 362 00:23:05,160 --> 00:23:08,040 Speaker 1: And that car, in and of itself, you know, is 363 00:23:08,119 --> 00:23:16,000 Speaker 1: going to provide a lot of information relative to when 364 00:23:16,160 --> 00:23:20,960 Speaker 1: it was placed on the street, perhaps through biometrics, because 365 00:23:21,200 --> 00:23:23,280 Speaker 1: you have to operate the vehicle. So it's going to 366 00:23:23,320 --> 00:23:26,119 Speaker 1: give you an idea as to who logged into this 367 00:23:26,200 --> 00:23:29,720 Speaker 1: thing and put it there. Who's the last person to 368 00:23:29,720 --> 00:23:33,720 Speaker 1: get out of that vehicle? Is Is it sophisticated enough 369 00:23:33,760 --> 00:23:36,680 Speaker 1: to give you that specific identifying information. This is a 370 00:23:36,760 --> 00:23:40,639 Speaker 1: question we've never had before, Dave, relative to teslas. You know, 371 00:23:40,880 --> 00:23:44,840 Speaker 1: I don't recall a case like this. You know, I've 372 00:23:44,840 --> 00:23:46,760 Speaker 1: seen teslas burning up on the side of the road 373 00:23:46,760 --> 00:23:48,800 Speaker 1: as a result of rioting and all that stuff. But 374 00:23:50,119 --> 00:23:53,720 Speaker 1: I've never seen a Tesla. And I know I can 375 00:23:53,760 --> 00:23:56,320 Speaker 1: be proved wrong here, but I personally have yet to 376 00:23:56,359 --> 00:23:59,439 Speaker 1: cover a case where a Tesla is involved in a 377 00:23:59,440 --> 00:24:07,959 Speaker 1: homicide something, yeah, like this, I just I don't know. 378 00:24:08,080 --> 00:24:11,840 Speaker 2: There's a couple of things in this show that where 379 00:24:12,840 --> 00:24:15,600 Speaker 2: the Tesla is parked on the street, as we mentioned 380 00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:18,240 Speaker 2: a few minutes ago, from three to five weeks, it's 381 00:24:18,440 --> 00:24:19,760 Speaker 2: it's there and long enough. 382 00:24:19,800 --> 00:24:21,200 Speaker 3: As you mentioned that you'd get. 383 00:24:21,080 --> 00:24:23,800 Speaker 2: Irritated driving home in your neighborhood in this car is 384 00:24:23,840 --> 00:24:25,920 Speaker 2: sitting in the same spot and not being old right, 385 00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:32,679 Speaker 2: And we've got, you know, building the timeline. We have 386 00:24:32,800 --> 00:24:34,800 Speaker 2: neighbors saying it was you know, let's just go with 387 00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:38,600 Speaker 2: four weeks, and then they tow it to the impound lot, 388 00:24:38,640 --> 00:24:42,600 Speaker 2: where after a couple of days the odor is so 389 00:24:42,640 --> 00:24:44,679 Speaker 2: strong they call police. You know, they look in and 390 00:24:44,720 --> 00:24:51,879 Speaker 2: then call police. But the wording of dismembered body, Yes, 391 00:24:52,200 --> 00:24:55,680 Speaker 2: if this, and we will get into the victim here 392 00:24:55,680 --> 00:24:57,280 Speaker 2: because we want you to know who she is. 393 00:24:57,520 --> 00:24:58,000 Speaker 3: But just. 394 00:24:59,480 --> 00:25:02,520 Speaker 2: Hang in there for just a minute. The mechanics of this. 395 00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:06,560 Speaker 2: The body is in that vehicle for an extended period 396 00:25:06,560 --> 00:25:06,880 Speaker 2: of time. 397 00:25:07,119 --> 00:25:07,280 Speaker 1: Yes. 398 00:25:07,720 --> 00:25:11,639 Speaker 2: Is it possible for the body, through normal decomposition to 399 00:25:11,840 --> 00:25:15,600 Speaker 2: appear as if the body was dismembered while it was 400 00:25:15,640 --> 00:25:18,560 Speaker 2: in the back from conditions being I mean talking about 401 00:25:18,560 --> 00:25:23,960 Speaker 2: summertime in La here, is that possible that the body 402 00:25:24,160 --> 00:25:28,760 Speaker 2: was not dismembered but only appeared dismembered because of decomposition. 403 00:25:29,440 --> 00:25:34,160 Speaker 1: No, this information is coming from the corner. So when 404 00:25:35,720 --> 00:25:39,120 Speaker 1: when in my world, if you use a term dismembered, 405 00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:45,520 Speaker 1: that means that's a that's an action word. We're going 406 00:25:45,560 --> 00:25:50,040 Speaker 1: to dismember something, Okay, and in order to dismember something, 407 00:25:50,080 --> 00:25:53,479 Speaker 1: tools have to be involved. This is not you know, 408 00:25:53,520 --> 00:25:57,880 Speaker 1: you're not just merely pulling a body apart. Okay, You're 409 00:25:57,880 --> 00:26:03,600 Speaker 1: talking about you know, you're talking about getting some type 410 00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:09,320 Speaker 1: or types of instruments in order to perform this act 411 00:26:11,560 --> 00:26:15,000 Speaker 1: and parse this body out. I'm going to be very 412 00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:18,840 Speaker 1: blunt with you, and Lord knows you and I have 413 00:26:18,840 --> 00:26:23,000 Speaker 1: done our time relative to dismemberments, you know, over these 414 00:26:23,080 --> 00:26:26,240 Speaker 1: years talking, you know, talking about these cases. But you know, 415 00:26:26,320 --> 00:26:31,200 Speaker 1: one of the most essential essential things I've I've come 416 00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:33,600 Speaker 1: to understand it was reinforced me yesterday. As a matter 417 00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:38,240 Speaker 1: of fact. My you know, at jack State, I'm surrounded 418 00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:41,760 Speaker 1: by you know, kids that are well, they're in their 419 00:26:41,800 --> 00:26:46,359 Speaker 1: early twenties. They know the singer and this came up 420 00:26:46,359 --> 00:26:52,160 Speaker 1: in conversation yesterday and you know, in class, I think 421 00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:54,639 Speaker 1: it was. It was my intro to forensics class that 422 00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:57,600 Speaker 1: I teach here to like sophomore it's like a sophomore 423 00:26:57,960 --> 00:27:02,720 Speaker 1: layer level class. And we got in we just had 424 00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:07,199 Speaker 1: this this dismemberment conversation, you know, saying, look, what do 425 00:27:07,359 --> 00:27:09,480 Speaker 1: what's required? Do you need power? If you're going to 426 00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:13,199 Speaker 1: use power tools, you're going to have access to hand tools. 427 00:27:13,240 --> 00:27:16,359 Speaker 1: If it's something that's kind of you know, personally driven 428 00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:19,000 Speaker 1: by you know, a hacksaw or something like that. If 429 00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:21,800 Speaker 1: you're using a saws awe, you have to have a 430 00:27:21,920 --> 00:27:23,919 Speaker 1: c current or you have to have a charge, a 431 00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:29,919 Speaker 1: charging station for the battery. You have to have privacy, 432 00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:34,000 Speaker 1: You have to have time where you can take your 433 00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:37,440 Speaker 1: time to do this, because if you're going to particulate 434 00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:44,400 Speaker 1: a body, most people that have never engaged in any 435 00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:48,680 Speaker 1: kind of butchering at all don't know where the weak 436 00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:51,159 Speaker 1: spots of the body are. They always and you know, 437 00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:54,560 Speaker 1: they always stop and start. You know, they get frustrated 438 00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:57,080 Speaker 1: in one area. They don't know if they're going to 439 00:27:57,119 --> 00:28:00,159 Speaker 1: go to the joints, most of them. You know, I've 440 00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:03,080 Speaker 1: seen tons of these cases where people will try to, 441 00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:06,200 Speaker 1: you know, use a saw and go directly through midshaft 442 00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:10,080 Speaker 1: of the femur, through tissue, you know, to the bone, 443 00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:13,680 Speaker 1: and that's it's impractical. I mean, you can do it, 444 00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:16,760 Speaker 1: but you have to have a steadiness of mind. This 445 00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:19,639 Speaker 1: is the other thing. A person that's never done this 446 00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:22,560 Speaker 1: before and it's not used to this kind of gore 447 00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:27,919 Speaker 1: and this kind of horror. They have to press that 448 00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:32,760 Speaker 1: down within them as they're you know, taking a part 449 00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:36,200 Speaker 1: of body. I've always imagined, you know, somebody that's doing 450 00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:39,920 Speaker 1: a dismemberment that's never done it before. They stand up, 451 00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:43,040 Speaker 1: get frustrated, They walk around for a little bit. Some 452 00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:46,920 Speaker 1: of them probably weep while they're doing it, and they 453 00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:50,040 Speaker 1: realize they're in way over their head, you know, because 454 00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:52,440 Speaker 1: they've chosen this course of action, try to get rid 455 00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:54,960 Speaker 1: of a body. But if I can go back to 456 00:28:55,000 --> 00:29:00,680 Speaker 1: something real quick, what does this tell us about a 457 00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:09,480 Speaker 1: car that contains a body, a dismembered body, and this timeline. 458 00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:17,840 Speaker 1: I'm really wondering, Dave, if if this victim had not 459 00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:25,240 Speaker 1: been dismembered for some time, maybe there was a foul 460 00:29:25,280 --> 00:29:27,840 Speaker 1: odor associated with it, if the if the body was 461 00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:30,719 Speaker 1: being stored somewhere else, when you know, trying to decide 462 00:29:30,760 --> 00:29:36,560 Speaker 1: what to do. Oh, I got it. I'll take the body, 463 00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:41,080 Speaker 1: you know. I'll take the body and place it into 464 00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:44,560 Speaker 1: a bag or bags, and I'll put it in the 465 00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:46,680 Speaker 1: in the tesla, and then I'll park it on the street. 466 00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:51,520 Speaker 1: That way, when I'm somewhere where the body is being stored, 467 00:29:51,520 --> 00:29:54,520 Speaker 1: I no longer have to smell it. You know, you're 468 00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:57,880 Speaker 1: trying to get separation, but you you don't. You still 469 00:29:57,920 --> 00:29:59,240 Speaker 1: want to be able to look out the window and 470 00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:03,040 Speaker 1: see the car, are passed by the car, and see 471 00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:05,880 Speaker 1: the car that it's still there, because that gives you 472 00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:10,520 Speaker 1: an idea, you know, of what's going on? What status 473 00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:14,680 Speaker 1: is this in his inboy founder yet wow? And then no, 474 00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:16,840 Speaker 1: So I don't know. I got to thinking about this 475 00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:21,400 Speaker 1: last night. I'm thinking, you know, all of various you know, 476 00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:28,239 Speaker 1: you know, things that could have happened. How does this 477 00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:28,760 Speaker 1: go down? 478 00:30:28,840 --> 00:30:29,040 Speaker 3: Dave? 479 00:30:29,080 --> 00:30:31,600 Speaker 1: Because this is it's not the fact that there is 480 00:30:31,680 --> 00:30:35,840 Speaker 1: like a pop star, that's weird enough, but it's that 481 00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:40,520 Speaker 1: the circumstances are so bizarre. I mean they really are. 482 00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:43,560 Speaker 1: Even by the day standards where there's so much bizarre 483 00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:46,840 Speaker 1: stuff everywhere, this is really really odd. 484 00:30:46,600 --> 00:30:47,719 Speaker 3: Man, it is. 485 00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:50,440 Speaker 2: And the part that I'm so glad you mentioned that 486 00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:55,000 Speaker 2: the pop star thing is not central to this, it's 487 00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:57,560 Speaker 2: I mean, it is central to the story because that's 488 00:30:57,680 --> 00:31:00,480 Speaker 2: why the story is getting the type of play. That 489 00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:03,080 Speaker 2: it is a twenty year old singer on his first 490 00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:07,240 Speaker 2: world tour and all of a sudden, this body is found. 491 00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:11,560 Speaker 2: But here's the key. The body is not The body 492 00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:15,520 Speaker 2: is that of a girl who is only fifteen years old, 493 00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:20,480 Speaker 2: who would yeah, would be fifteen, right, And she was 494 00:31:20,520 --> 00:31:25,920 Speaker 2: reported missing in April of twenty twenty four from Lake Elsinore, 495 00:31:26,040 --> 00:31:29,240 Speaker 2: which is about sixty eight miles from the Hollywood Hills. 496 00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:30,600 Speaker 3: South south and east. 497 00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:33,720 Speaker 2: Okay, so he's you're in La Goes south and a 498 00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:36,720 Speaker 2: little bit east and that's Lake Elsinore and that's where 499 00:31:36,760 --> 00:31:41,720 Speaker 2: the community she's from. And she was reported missing April 500 00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:45,720 Speaker 2: fifth of twenty twenty four. Now there's going to be 501 00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:48,840 Speaker 2: a lot said about every aspect of this young girl's 502 00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:49,800 Speaker 2: life and her family. 503 00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:50,520 Speaker 3: I know that. 504 00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:54,479 Speaker 2: And we're not going there today because she's dead and 505 00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:59,320 Speaker 2: we need to know who killed her and when. The 506 00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:01,960 Speaker 2: why and the how are two different things that are 507 00:32:02,040 --> 00:32:05,600 Speaker 2: not really you know, but we need to know when, 508 00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:10,560 Speaker 2: why she killed and how because finding a dismembered body 509 00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:12,400 Speaker 2: in the trunk of a Tesla on the side of 510 00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:16,400 Speaker 2: the road does not tell us how she was killed 511 00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:19,360 Speaker 2: or when we go to get that out. 512 00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:22,520 Speaker 1: Joe. Yeah, and that's that's the most important thing, because 513 00:32:22,760 --> 00:32:25,800 Speaker 1: clues rest in. I think that some of the clues dave, 514 00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:33,480 Speaker 1: at least for me, rest in her age, because, as 515 00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:39,680 Speaker 1: you have said more eloquently than anybody I have ever 516 00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:42,400 Speaker 1: come in contact with in the media. You told me 517 00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:45,120 Speaker 1: this several years ago, and I have never forgotten it. 518 00:32:47,520 --> 00:32:53,240 Speaker 1: You told me that if you are not an adult 519 00:32:55,880 --> 00:33:01,160 Speaker 1: and you have sex with someone that is an adult 520 00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:22,440 Speaker 1: that ain't sex, that's rape and sexual assault. Anytime we 521 00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:25,160 Speaker 1: have a very young person, Dave that we cover on here, 522 00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:31,240 Speaker 1: the big question I always have to ask is what 523 00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:38,880 Speaker 1: did a child, because she's thirteen when she went missing? Okay, 524 00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:46,560 Speaker 1: what did a child do to somebody that would have 525 00:33:46,840 --> 00:33:52,440 Speaker 1: them react with such a level of rage towards this 526 00:33:52,760 --> 00:33:59,800 Speaker 1: child as to bring about her death and then desecrate 527 00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:07,000 Speaker 1: her remains in death? Who out there would have this 528 00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:11,760 Speaker 1: kind of level of anger? That's that's the big question 529 00:34:11,880 --> 00:34:15,080 Speaker 1: in that, Dave. Now you think about that, you know 530 00:34:15,160 --> 00:34:20,680 Speaker 1: who I mean. I don't know when you were thirteen fourteen. 531 00:34:21,120 --> 00:34:24,160 Speaker 1: When I was thirteen or fourteen, Yeah, I had problems 532 00:34:24,200 --> 00:34:27,680 Speaker 1: with people I was growing up with. You know, it 533 00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:31,439 Speaker 1: might wind up in a scuffle whoever. You know, who knows. 534 00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:35,720 Speaker 1: But there's not a whole lot of people out there 535 00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:39,759 Speaker 1: that are looking to murder a child. 536 00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:40,120 Speaker 3: Of this age. 537 00:34:40,400 --> 00:34:42,359 Speaker 1: I just I don't understand it. So I think our 538 00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:45,240 Speaker 1: field gets narrowed down here pretty quickly. 539 00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:48,040 Speaker 2: I want to share something with you because I went 540 00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:51,520 Speaker 2: back and looked at the missing person liar that was 541 00:34:51,560 --> 00:34:57,200 Speaker 2: put up last seeing Lake Elson, Or California, aged thirteen, 542 00:34:58,520 --> 00:35:04,160 Speaker 2: Her date of birth September seventh, twenty ten. All right, 543 00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:08,080 Speaker 2: when they put this missing person flyer out, she was 544 00:35:08,120 --> 00:35:11,799 Speaker 2: described as five foot three, one hundred and twenty pounds 545 00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:16,120 Speaker 2: right here right last scene, wearing gray pants and a 546 00:35:16,120 --> 00:35:21,239 Speaker 2: black sweater, a hat and hello, Kitty Sandals, that's the 547 00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:26,320 Speaker 2: little girl. Okay, yeah, go, five three, one hundred and 548 00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:29,120 Speaker 2: twenty pounds. I got the description of what they found 549 00:35:29,120 --> 00:35:31,440 Speaker 2: in the car, five foot two. 550 00:35:34,200 --> 00:35:35,720 Speaker 3: Seventy one pounds. 551 00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:41,359 Speaker 1: Well, let me, okay, before we go down this road, 552 00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:41,759 Speaker 1: just like me. 553 00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:44,000 Speaker 2: That's why I wanted you to break down. Oh, that's possible, 554 00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:45,719 Speaker 2: because there's got to be an explanation for. 555 00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:48,440 Speaker 1: Losing There is, there is, And let me kind of 556 00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:51,839 Speaker 1: explain this to you and just brace yourself for what 557 00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:54,160 Speaker 1: I'm about to say. All right, let's go to height. 558 00:35:55,040 --> 00:35:59,440 Speaker 1: The height there they are measuring this body. And the 559 00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:01,600 Speaker 1: way we make as bodies in the morgue is from 560 00:36:01,719 --> 00:36:05,200 Speaker 1: heel to crown. So from the heel to the top 561 00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:11,440 Speaker 1: of the head. All right, that's how bodies are measured. Now, 562 00:36:11,640 --> 00:36:13,719 Speaker 1: what do we know about her or what do we 563 00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:17,600 Speaker 1: know about these remains? Well, it's pretty obvious they have 564 00:36:19,640 --> 00:36:24,239 Speaker 1: they've been dismembered. Is it possible to lose an inch 565 00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:27,160 Speaker 1: of height during that Yes, it is, because we don't 566 00:36:27,239 --> 00:36:29,840 Speaker 1: know that you have all of the components. Let's just say, 567 00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:34,160 Speaker 1: let's just say that a quarter of an inch of 568 00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:39,120 Speaker 1: bone drops out when you're sawing through the bone. It 569 00:36:39,120 --> 00:36:42,640 Speaker 1: becomes bone dust, and you're having to do this multiple times. 570 00:36:44,239 --> 00:36:50,040 Speaker 1: It's not beyond it's not beyond understanding that you know 571 00:36:50,080 --> 00:36:54,680 Speaker 1: you would lose overall length or height of a body. 572 00:36:55,960 --> 00:36:59,000 Speaker 1: That's pretty reasonable. But how do you get from one 573 00:36:59,080 --> 00:37:03,960 Speaker 1: hundred plus pain owns down to double digits. Well, here's 574 00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:07,200 Speaker 1: how it happens. They've she's been deceased for a while. 575 00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:12,840 Speaker 1: She has literally been cooking in that car or wherever 576 00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:15,840 Speaker 1: other locations she may have been prior to being placed 577 00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:24,320 Speaker 1: in the car. Part of her remains at this After 578 00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:28,160 Speaker 1: this amount of time, with this much heat exposed to her, 579 00:37:29,120 --> 00:37:33,560 Speaker 1: the body will take on a liquid quality, all right, 580 00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:37,640 Speaker 1: and you're going to lose some of that weight. So 581 00:37:37,719 --> 00:37:42,439 Speaker 1: if it's contained in a bag, you'll lose a lot 582 00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:45,759 Speaker 1: of the body that has been reduced down. You've also 583 00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:49,640 Speaker 1: got dehydration of the tissues. Remember, a lot of the 584 00:37:49,640 --> 00:37:52,000 Speaker 1: weight that we carry in life is in fact water. 585 00:37:52,040 --> 00:37:57,000 Speaker 1: Weight and in death too. And just think about the 586 00:37:57,120 --> 00:38:03,520 Speaker 1: ultimate dehydrator. Can you imagine being in a trunk in 587 00:38:04,719 --> 00:38:08,320 Speaker 1: LA during the summertime, just even if you were in 588 00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:13,960 Speaker 1: that in that location, living inside of a trunk, you're 589 00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:16,760 Speaker 1: a living person placed inside the trunk in the direct sunlight. 590 00:38:19,680 --> 00:38:22,360 Speaker 1: You're you're gonna lose maybe a couple of pounds just 591 00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:24,560 Speaker 1: in waterweight because you're gonna sweat it out. It's gonna 592 00:38:24,560 --> 00:38:26,640 Speaker 1: be like being in asauna. How much more so where 593 00:38:26,640 --> 00:38:31,160 Speaker 1: you've got constant exposure and decompositional breakdown. The cells are 594 00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:35,960 Speaker 1: all collapsing now and they become liquefied to a certain extent, 595 00:38:36,080 --> 00:38:39,799 Speaker 1: You'll still have some tissue that remains behind. And this 596 00:38:39,840 --> 00:38:42,719 Speaker 1: is one of the huge things here that I think 597 00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:50,440 Speaker 1: is very important. With who is now positively identified as 598 00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:59,000 Speaker 1: Celeste Revas, they have ruled her death, her manner of 599 00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:02,359 Speaker 1: death as a high homicide, but they still have yet 600 00:39:02,360 --> 00:39:04,279 Speaker 1: to come up with a cause. Well, one of the 601 00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:06,400 Speaker 1: reasons they don't have a cause, I think at this 602 00:39:06,520 --> 00:39:14,080 Speaker 1: point is that there's been so many tissue changes within 603 00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:18,399 Speaker 1: her that let's just say she's choked out, all right. 604 00:39:18,520 --> 00:39:20,960 Speaker 1: That it's a very personal thing where somebody's wrapped their 605 00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:27,239 Speaker 1: hands around her throat, and then you give you give 606 00:39:27,280 --> 00:39:33,040 Speaker 1: credence to this post mortem manipulation of the body those 607 00:39:33,640 --> 00:39:36,839 Speaker 1: dependent upon And I have no knowledge of this. I'm 608 00:39:36,880 --> 00:39:39,880 Speaker 1: just throwing this scenario out there. Let's just say you 609 00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:43,200 Speaker 1: go to dismember the body and one of the things 610 00:39:43,200 --> 00:39:46,200 Speaker 1: that I have yet to have a dismemberment case that 611 00:39:46,239 --> 00:39:49,480 Speaker 1: I've even either covered or worked where they didn't go 612 00:39:49,560 --> 00:39:53,200 Speaker 1: for the head first. That's generally how it works, all right. 613 00:39:53,719 --> 00:39:58,800 Speaker 1: So if you're removing a head, that means that somewhere 614 00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:01,799 Speaker 1: along the neck you're going to have to go into 615 00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:06,480 Speaker 1: that area with an instrument to separate it from the body. Well, 616 00:40:06,520 --> 00:40:09,640 Speaker 1: because you're doing that, any kind of artifact that's in 617 00:40:09,680 --> 00:40:14,600 Speaker 1: the neck, particularly when it's a long term decomposition, can 618 00:40:14,680 --> 00:40:19,480 Speaker 1: compromise the presentation. You can't really in or rule out anything. 619 00:40:20,440 --> 00:40:23,120 Speaker 1: The reason they're coming up with homicide as a manner, Dave, 620 00:40:23,880 --> 00:40:28,239 Speaker 1: is that the question I think that you have to 621 00:40:28,280 --> 00:40:32,720 Speaker 1: ask philosophically is who in the world dismembers the thirteen 622 00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:38,279 Speaker 1: or well, we don't know she would be fifteen. Who 623 00:40:38,280 --> 00:40:42,839 Speaker 1: in the world would dismember her? And you said they're 624 00:40:42,840 --> 00:40:46,520 Speaker 1: going to rule this as a homicide, you know, but 625 00:40:47,160 --> 00:40:52,560 Speaker 1: do we actually have evidence of specific homicidal trauma right now? 626 00:40:52,600 --> 00:40:56,480 Speaker 1: The LA County Corner has not released any of that. 627 00:40:56,560 --> 00:40:59,480 Speaker 1: I'm hoping that they will. I can tell you this 628 00:40:59,600 --> 00:41:04,919 Speaker 1: when they finally removed those remains from that trunk, Dave, 629 00:41:07,160 --> 00:41:15,600 Speaker 1: and I'm imagining the body. I'm imagining that they would 630 00:41:15,640 --> 00:41:19,799 Speaker 1: have taken out each individual this member remain, like whether 631 00:41:19,840 --> 00:41:23,640 Speaker 1: it's a foot, a lower leg, upper leg, head, and 632 00:41:23,680 --> 00:41:25,759 Speaker 1: they're going to X ray each one of those. And 633 00:41:26,040 --> 00:41:29,799 Speaker 1: this is a messy, messy affair, by the way, this 634 00:41:29,840 --> 00:41:33,160 Speaker 1: is not a standard kind of event, because you're dealing 635 00:41:33,200 --> 00:41:38,439 Speaker 1: with tissue that's so degraded that it's got a real 636 00:41:38,760 --> 00:41:44,160 Speaker 1: kind of oily, greasy feel to it. It's no longer 637 00:41:44,280 --> 00:41:47,280 Speaker 1: in this kind of firm state that you have with 638 00:41:47,280 --> 00:41:52,160 Speaker 1: with fresh remains, And so they would x ray every 639 00:41:52,200 --> 00:41:55,320 Speaker 1: single thing. Why would they x ray every single thing? Because, dude, 640 00:41:55,440 --> 00:41:58,200 Speaker 1: you cannot just simply look at the tissue and say, aha, 641 00:41:58,920 --> 00:42:02,200 Speaker 1: this is what brought about death. You've got to look 642 00:42:02,280 --> 00:42:07,239 Speaker 1: internally in this horrible mass that's left behind with an 643 00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:10,239 Speaker 1: X ray to sea, is there a bullet track? Do 644 00:42:10,280 --> 00:42:12,680 Speaker 1: I have a lead storm, you know, which we'll see 645 00:42:12,719 --> 00:42:15,279 Speaker 1: many times if somebody's shot, you'll see this kind of 646 00:42:15,360 --> 00:42:19,560 Speaker 1: lead storm where the round particulates inside the body and 647 00:42:19,600 --> 00:42:24,080 Speaker 1: you can follow a trail. Are there any broken bones 648 00:42:24,120 --> 00:42:27,680 Speaker 1: in here that are not associated with the act of dismemberment? 649 00:42:28,400 --> 00:42:30,480 Speaker 1: You know, I want to know if she's had her 650 00:42:30,719 --> 00:42:34,920 Speaker 1: ribs broken or and we can delineate that. And the 651 00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:37,239 Speaker 1: more you say, well, how do you know that that 652 00:42:37,400 --> 00:42:43,399 Speaker 1: wasn't as a result of of dismemberment, Well, there are 653 00:42:43,400 --> 00:42:46,240 Speaker 1: ways that you can actually examine the bone and tell 654 00:42:47,120 --> 00:42:50,560 Speaker 1: if at a microscopic level, you can actually tell if 655 00:42:50,560 --> 00:42:53,360 Speaker 1: this is if this is something that was in the 656 00:42:53,600 --> 00:42:57,200 Speaker 1: anti mortem or perry mortem state while she's dying, as 657 00:42:57,200 --> 00:43:01,880 Speaker 1: opposed to ya, he broke broke a rib while he was, 658 00:43:02,080 --> 00:43:04,600 Speaker 1: you know, trying to figure out how to use the 659 00:43:04,680 --> 00:43:07,200 Speaker 1: saws all or the skill saw or the hacksaw or 660 00:43:07,200 --> 00:43:08,560 Speaker 1: the limbsaw or whatever it was. 661 00:43:08,480 --> 00:43:09,000 Speaker 3: That he used. 662 00:43:10,040 --> 00:43:14,000 Speaker 2: Now, wow, that's a lot to unpack. 663 00:43:14,080 --> 00:43:15,320 Speaker 3: We are going to be drowning. 664 00:43:16,760 --> 00:43:19,880 Speaker 1: It's just my brain is kind of on overload with 665 00:43:19,920 --> 00:43:22,960 Speaker 1: this case because there's so there's so much here I 666 00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:24,720 Speaker 1: do want as a big mystery. 667 00:43:24,840 --> 00:43:26,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, it is, and I do want to address something 668 00:43:26,800 --> 00:43:33,480 Speaker 2: because I think it's important. The family of Celestivas Hernandez 669 00:43:34,320 --> 00:43:39,319 Speaker 2: has acknowledged a number of things, and I there are 670 00:43:39,560 --> 00:43:42,719 Speaker 2: children missing in this country where mom and dad have 671 00:43:42,920 --> 00:43:45,880 Speaker 2: no clue as to what happened. You know, their child 672 00:43:46,239 --> 00:43:49,600 Speaker 2: is gone. This case is a little bit different. She 673 00:43:49,760 --> 00:43:53,360 Speaker 2: was listed as missing, but the family had she had 674 00:43:54,160 --> 00:43:58,239 Speaker 2: communication and contact with the neighborhood after the date she 675 00:43:58,320 --> 00:44:03,360 Speaker 2: was listed as missing. The family knew. Now think about this, 676 00:44:03,360 --> 00:44:06,680 Speaker 2: this is a thirteen year old girl and they knew 677 00:44:06,760 --> 00:44:08,719 Speaker 2: she was in a and they're going to call it 678 00:44:08,760 --> 00:44:14,240 Speaker 2: a relationship with this David who was at least eighteen Okay, 679 00:44:14,239 --> 00:44:17,680 Speaker 2: he was over eighteen years old, and he's with a 680 00:44:17,840 --> 00:44:20,600 Speaker 2: thirteen year old at the time that he takes her 681 00:44:20,640 --> 00:44:22,479 Speaker 2: to the movies, which is her brother. 682 00:44:22,640 --> 00:44:24,920 Speaker 3: Said. Her brother's name is Matthew Reeves. 683 00:44:25,400 --> 00:44:28,920 Speaker 2: He actually told NBCLA that the family was aware of 684 00:44:28,960 --> 00:44:33,000 Speaker 2: the relationship. He claimed his sister vanished after being picked 685 00:44:33,040 --> 00:44:38,680 Speaker 2: up by David Burke in Anthony David Burke in his tesla. 686 00:44:39,800 --> 00:44:41,640 Speaker 2: He picked her up in the tesla to go see 687 00:44:41,640 --> 00:44:46,640 Speaker 2: a movie in May of twenty twenty four. Now there 688 00:44:46,640 --> 00:44:52,560 Speaker 2: are pictures and videos that I've seen with David and 689 00:44:53,040 --> 00:44:59,160 Speaker 2: Celeste together talking, communicating with one another in the same frame, Okay, 690 00:44:59,160 --> 00:45:01,800 Speaker 2: in the same TikTok video, both of them right there. 691 00:45:02,320 --> 00:45:07,160 Speaker 2: So it wasn't that she was removed from her home 692 00:45:07,520 --> 00:45:11,400 Speaker 2: and taken away without anybody knowing. Now I don't know, 693 00:45:11,600 --> 00:45:14,160 Speaker 2: and we I don't know what we'll actually find out. 694 00:45:14,200 --> 00:45:16,720 Speaker 2: But the reality here is that her brother is saying 695 00:45:17,440 --> 00:45:20,440 Speaker 2: we knew they were in a relationship. Now, most of 696 00:45:20,520 --> 00:45:25,840 Speaker 2: us would say, allowing a thirteen year old to be 697 00:45:25,960 --> 00:45:29,319 Speaker 2: involved with an eighteen year old, well, it's illegal if 698 00:45:29,320 --> 00:45:33,720 Speaker 2: they're involved in sex sexual activity. As I said before, 699 00:45:33,840 --> 00:45:38,480 Speaker 2: that's rape. So we've got that. That's part of this discussion. 700 00:45:38,520 --> 00:45:41,279 Speaker 2: But the bottom line is she's dead now, Joe, And 701 00:45:41,480 --> 00:45:44,640 Speaker 2: well she was to make a decision to be with 702 00:45:44,680 --> 00:45:45,240 Speaker 2: an adult. 703 00:45:45,719 --> 00:45:48,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, And the question, you know that I'll always come 704 00:45:48,600 --> 00:45:51,880 Speaker 1: back to is who's minding the store? 705 00:45:52,360 --> 00:45:52,560 Speaker 3: Right? 706 00:45:52,920 --> 00:45:55,560 Speaker 1: I want to know that question. You know, Look that 707 00:45:55,600 --> 00:45:59,640 Speaker 1: the world is full of predators. We know that. We 708 00:45:59,760 --> 00:46:06,200 Speaker 1: know it's evidenced every single day. We talk about at nauseum, 709 00:46:06,280 --> 00:46:10,560 Speaker 1: we talk about sex trafficking and missing and murdered children. 710 00:46:10,800 --> 00:46:16,759 Speaker 1: Every single We know the world is full of predators. 711 00:46:18,200 --> 00:46:21,000 Speaker 1: I want to know who is minding the store. Why 712 00:46:21,320 --> 00:46:25,640 Speaker 1: is a twelve or thirteen year old child run in 713 00:46:25,680 --> 00:46:31,880 Speaker 1: the streets. I want an answer to that question, because 714 00:46:32,680 --> 00:46:37,880 Speaker 1: you do not have the wherewithal developmentally at that age 715 00:46:38,600 --> 00:46:43,600 Speaker 1: to make these kind of decisions, you know. And even 716 00:46:43,680 --> 00:46:49,719 Speaker 1: if this individual, this pop star, has nothing to do 717 00:46:49,800 --> 00:46:55,920 Speaker 1: with her death, the fact that she is on streets 718 00:46:57,360 --> 00:47:01,400 Speaker 1: and no one actually knows where she is any given time, 719 00:47:02,200 --> 00:47:07,759 Speaker 1: that means she's being exposed to all potential dangers that 720 00:47:07,880 --> 00:47:10,680 Speaker 1: exist out in the world that she's not sophisticated enough 721 00:47:10,719 --> 00:47:25,160 Speaker 1: to understand. And now now her body has been dismembered, packaged, 722 00:47:26,000 --> 00:47:32,480 Speaker 1: and placed into the trunk of a dirty, abandoned car 723 00:47:32,719 --> 00:47:38,560 Speaker 1: on the side of the road and taken to an 724 00:47:38,560 --> 00:47:45,520 Speaker 1: impound lot. Friends, let me tell you something. There ain't 725 00:47:45,640 --> 00:47:50,240 Speaker 1: enough Texas. I am going to find out more about 726 00:47:50,239 --> 00:47:57,759 Speaker 1: this case. And I can promise you that myself and 727 00:47:57,880 --> 00:48:00,759 Speaker 1: Dave mac are going to have a follow up on 728 00:48:00,840 --> 00:48:03,000 Speaker 1: this and we're going to have further discussion. There's going 729 00:48:03,080 --> 00:48:05,279 Speaker 1: to be more forensics related to this case. We're going 730 00:48:05,320 --> 00:48:08,000 Speaker 1: to find out We're going to find out what the 731 00:48:08,080 --> 00:48:13,560 Speaker 1: car reveals. And I'm not just talking about like electronically, 732 00:48:13,640 --> 00:48:16,160 Speaker 1: I'm talking about what was going on in the cabin 733 00:48:16,200 --> 00:48:19,759 Speaker 1: of that car. I'm going to want to know about 734 00:48:19,840 --> 00:48:23,279 Speaker 1: DNA deposition within that car and within this house, which, 735 00:48:23,360 --> 00:48:25,400 Speaker 1: by the way, at the time of this recording is 736 00:48:25,440 --> 00:48:31,560 Speaker 1: being searched from stem to stern. They're executing search warrants 737 00:48:31,560 --> 00:48:35,040 Speaker 1: on this house right now. I want to know about 738 00:48:35,040 --> 00:48:38,080 Speaker 1: the other car in the garage. I want to know 739 00:48:38,239 --> 00:48:42,920 Speaker 1: if celeste DNA is in bow spots or in both vehicles. 740 00:48:42,960 --> 00:48:45,920 Speaker 1: I want to know if her DNA is in that 741 00:48:46,040 --> 00:48:49,279 Speaker 1: house anywhere. I don't care, if it's the cupboard in 742 00:48:49,280 --> 00:48:53,279 Speaker 1: the kitchen or if it's the bedroom, the bathroom, I 743 00:48:53,280 --> 00:48:56,319 Speaker 1: don't care. We want to know. We want to know 744 00:48:56,840 --> 00:49:01,279 Speaker 1: what essence of her life did she leave behind in 745 00:49:01,320 --> 00:49:05,520 Speaker 1: these environments. And we're going to continue to search and 746 00:49:05,600 --> 00:49:08,840 Speaker 1: see if LA County Corner Slash Medical Examiner comes up 747 00:49:08,880 --> 00:49:14,239 Speaker 1: with a specific cause of death. We need answers. We 748 00:49:14,280 --> 00:49:17,600 Speaker 1: need answers to this case and all the cases out 749 00:49:17,640 --> 00:49:27,400 Speaker 1: there involving children, involving children that are not protected that 750 00:49:27,480 --> 00:49:40,560 Speaker 1: are out there. Let's not let her death be in vain. Maybe, 751 00:49:40,760 --> 00:49:46,839 Speaker 1: just maybe this is a cautionary tale that somebody who 752 00:49:46,920 --> 00:49:53,720 Speaker 1: needs to hear it will take heed of I'm Joseph 753 00:49:53,719 --> 00:50:00,320 Speaker 1: Scott Morgan and this is bodybacks no