WEBVTT - STBYM Live: Weird Science in the Windy City

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Stuff to Blow your Mind from how Stuff

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<v Speaker 1>Works dot com. Hey, welcome to Stuff to Blow your Mind.

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<v Speaker 1>My name is Robert Lamb, and we have a special

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<v Speaker 1>episode for you today. Uh. This is a live recording

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<v Speaker 1>from C to E two the Chicago Comics and Entertainment Expo.

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<v Speaker 1>We were just there a couple of weeks ago. We

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<v Speaker 1>presented this a wonderful talk where we talked about the UH,

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<v Speaker 1>the the Columbian Exposition there in Chicago. We talked about

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<v Speaker 1>the UH, the origins of the Ferris Wheel, the Parliament

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<v Speaker 1>of World Religions, and of course the H. H. Holmes

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<v Speaker 1>murder House. Now, just a word of warning, the audio

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<v Speaker 1>is a little crisp here because this is a live recording.

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<v Speaker 1>But the the episode is great that the discussion is wonderful,

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<v Speaker 1>so we definitely wanted to share it with you. But

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<v Speaker 1>if it's not your cup of tea, don't fret. The

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<v Speaker 1>next episode we'll be back to the studio recording process

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<v Speaker 1>as usually usual. Alright, so without further ado, let's go

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<v Speaker 1>to the live show. All right. Well, hey, welcome to

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<v Speaker 1>Stuff to Blow Your Mind. My name is Robert Lamb,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm Christian Saga and I'm Joe McCormick, and we

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<v Speaker 1>are the hosts of Stuff to Blow Your Mind, a

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<v Speaker 1>podcast about science, culture, the human mind, and the weirdness

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<v Speaker 1>of reality. So I want to start off with a question.

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<v Speaker 1>How many people here are from out of town not

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<v Speaker 1>from Chicago? Okay, So we've got a good amount of people,

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<v Speaker 1>all right, like maybe half. We're gonna keep you in

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<v Speaker 1>mind for later. This is going to be important because

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<v Speaker 1>we're gonna be talking about Chicago's hotel past. Well when

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<v Speaker 1>we're honored to be here at C two e two

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<v Speaker 1>and they asked us, they said, hey, maybe you could

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<v Speaker 1>put something together that's a little bit Chicago theme. So

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<v Speaker 1>we thought about it, and uh, you know, we decided, well, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>Chicago World Fair, that's gonna that's gonna be what we

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<v Speaker 1>want to focus in on here. And uh, we decided

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<v Speaker 1>that to really dive into this topic, though, we need

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<v Speaker 1>to take a paleo futurist journey into the past of

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<v Speaker 1>this city. Right, So I guess we need to start

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<v Speaker 1>by thinking about Chicago as a city. Um, and I

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<v Speaker 1>want to put forward that the history of American population

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<v Speaker 1>growth as this country has increased in numbers over the

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<v Speaker 1>centuries is a history of urbanization um and that rapidly

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<v Speaker 1>accelerated in the eighteen hundreds. For example, in eighteen forty,

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<v Speaker 1>the U. S population was about seventeen million people. About

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<v Speaker 1>eighty nine percent of those people at that time were rural,

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<v Speaker 1>living out in the country on farms, not in cities.

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<v Speaker 1>Only about ten percent we're living in cities. Just about

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<v Speaker 1>fifty years later, in nine the U. S population sixty

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<v Speaker 1>three million, and by then thirty five percent of Americans

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<v Speaker 1>are living in cities. So over the course of the

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<v Speaker 1>century we see a rapid uptick in the way people

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<v Speaker 1>are are moving in to crowd into dense quarters and

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<v Speaker 1>come to where a lot of the new jobs are

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<v Speaker 1>the new jobs made available by technology and manufacturing and

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<v Speaker 1>by transportation like steam power. But Chicago is a particularly

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<v Speaker 1>crucial part of this urbanization story. I want to go

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<v Speaker 1>back to those years eighteen forty and eighteen nine, eighteen forty.

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<v Speaker 1>Anybody want to guess what the population of Chicago was, Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>ten thousand people. Let the people guess. Shout him out,

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<v Speaker 1>Let the people speak one point five million. We've heard

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<v Speaker 1>it was. Chicago in eighteen forty had forty people in it.

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<v Speaker 1>Wrigley Field as a seating capacity of about forty one thousand,

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<v Speaker 1>so it could fit about nine eighteen forty Chicago's in it.

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<v Speaker 1>Or to give you, to give you like a context,

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<v Speaker 1>that's here and now, right now at C two E two,

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<v Speaker 1>there's between twenty and forty thousand people in this building.

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<v Speaker 1>So we've got eighteen forty Chicago beat. By eighteen eighty,

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<v Speaker 1>population of Chicago is up to five thousand. By eighteen

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<v Speaker 1>ninety it's up to one million. And you have to

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<v Speaker 1>imagine what it does to a place when the population

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<v Speaker 1>and the population density increases that rapidly. But by eighteen nineties,

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<v Speaker 1>Chicago would become the second biggest city in America, finally

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<v Speaker 1>beating out Philadelphia, but still behind New York. And by god,

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<v Speaker 1>Chicago wanted to be number one. Those of you from Chicago,

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<v Speaker 1>do you do you have New York hatred? Do you

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<v Speaker 1>have New York? Yeah? Like do you hate your piece? Uh?

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<v Speaker 1>And so I want to put forward that stepping into

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<v Speaker 1>Chicago in the eighteen nineties, if you were, say a

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<v Speaker 1>country farmer coming out of the rural areas and stepping

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<v Speaker 1>into Chicago in the eighteen nineties would have been kind

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<v Speaker 1>of like walking into the city or if we were

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<v Speaker 1>to walk into the city in Blade Runner. Uh. The

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<v Speaker 1>so part of this population explosion in the nineteen century

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<v Speaker 1>was fueled by immigration from all over Europe. So you

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<v Speaker 1>have Chicago flooded with people of diverse ethnic origins. Um

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<v Speaker 1>and this this may be very alien to people who had,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, never met people from all over Europe. Then

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<v Speaker 1>also you've got to think about technology. I would say

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<v Speaker 1>that Chicago at this time was a sort of techno

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<v Speaker 1>punk hallucination where you had this steam powered transport hub

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<v Speaker 1>and most importantly a center of industrialized meat production. So

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<v Speaker 1>so so was it like Blade Runner in that you

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<v Speaker 1>could buy like cloned animals on the street. Wouldn't that

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<v Speaker 1>be great? You know, we were talking on the way

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<v Speaker 1>over here. Another aspect of it is the sort of

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<v Speaker 1>layers of the city. How you see this vertical depth

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<v Speaker 1>in Blade Runner. This is more apparent in Chicago of today.

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<v Speaker 1>But like with the L train and UH and and

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<v Speaker 1>the way, when you're downtown, you you can almost feel

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<v Speaker 1>like you're inside when you're outside. Yeah, I think it's

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<v Speaker 1>it's more prevalent here than about any other city I

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<v Speaker 1>can think of off off in my head that I've

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<v Speaker 1>been to. Yeah, and in the Blade Runner analogy I

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<v Speaker 1>think is especially apt when anytime we're looking back in

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<v Speaker 1>time and we're trying to especially the last couple of centuries,

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<v Speaker 1>and trying to figure out what it was like, uh

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<v Speaker 1>to live in in that day, you you have to

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<v Speaker 1>think of it almost in sci fi terms, because the

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<v Speaker 1>only way to really get a handle on the fact that, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>this was the this is the bleeding age, this was

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<v Speaker 1>this was this was this was the modern age. It

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<v Speaker 1>was it was the bleeding edge, literally and that it

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<v Speaker 1>was covered in pig blood um because it was the

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<v Speaker 1>city where hogs were slaughtered in process, but it was

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<v Speaker 1>also covered in cold dust, smog, steam, uh and rapidly electrifying.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, this is a time when electricity is going

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<v Speaker 1>from a sort of rarefied novelty to being dispersed all

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<v Speaker 1>over urban areas. And so this is going to be

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<v Speaker 1>a crucial part of the story we tell today about

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<v Speaker 1>the World's Fair. But another thing is that Eastern cities

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<v Speaker 1>at the time would have looked back on Chicago in

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<v Speaker 1>the eighteen nineties as a sort of effed up backwater

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<v Speaker 1>like there there was there was a very snooty attitude

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<v Speaker 1>towards Chicago. That's like looking at it like like it

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<v Speaker 1>was just pumped up, like ban on technology and cash

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<v Speaker 1>and and pig blood and all of that great stuff,

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<v Speaker 1>but that it didn't really have the refined character and

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<v Speaker 1>culture makes an American city great. Bin with a backpack

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<v Speaker 1>full of pig blood just being injected into his body,

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<v Speaker 1>that sounds great. This is not the brain you carn't understand.

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<v Speaker 1>It's the it's the old band with the getting pumped up.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh So, rapid urbanization had factors that people found both

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<v Speaker 1>alluring and repulsive. And I want to explore one of

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<v Speaker 1>the people who found it repulsive. So in eighteen ninety three,

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<v Speaker 1>the French writer and publisher Octavouzon wrote a letter to

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<v Speaker 1>the periodical The American Architect and Building News, and he

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<v Speaker 1>was reporting on a recent visit he made to Chicago.

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<v Speaker 1>He'd actually been visiting the eighteen nine World's Fair that

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<v Speaker 1>we're gonna be talking about. And in talking about Chicago,

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<v Speaker 1>he he was writing about the prospect of leaving the city.

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<v Speaker 1>And this is an abridged quote. Built upon a mud

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<v Speaker 1>flat on the shore of a somber verdure less lake.

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<v Speaker 1>It was the noisy, furious, impulsive, brutal life which their

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<v Speaker 1>maneuvers its battalions, a life without soul and ideal business

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<v Speaker 1>business business. Is this not the real burden of the

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<v Speaker 1>raven and Pose poem? I don't believe it is. I think,

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<v Speaker 1>I think, probably think that he died in the street. Yeah, Baltimore, though,

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<v Speaker 1>Baltimore is a city with character. It's got old school class,

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<v Speaker 1>or at least they thought. But continuing us, quote, he's

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<v Speaker 1>on the train leaving Chicago, and he's very happy to

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<v Speaker 1>be leaving, he says. The next morning, raising the shade

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<v Speaker 1>of my compartment, I saw behind the glass a smiling

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<v Speaker 1>country unroll itself before nature, thus peaceful in sight of

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<v Speaker 1>the light mists, these mosses, these flowers opening in the sun.

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<v Speaker 1>I forgot the frightful nightmare of the departure from Chicago.

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<v Speaker 1>That Gordian city, so excessive, so satanic, so so yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>this was like hell raiser for this guy from France,

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<v Speaker 1>basically Chicago. Yeah, pin Head lived here. I really like

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<v Speaker 1>Gordian City. I don't. I don't. I think you guys

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<v Speaker 1>should embrace that here in the same way that a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of take it back, a lot of people from

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<v Speaker 1>Atlanta embraced Terminus, as is our alternate title. I think

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<v Speaker 1>that's only after the Walking Dead. But yeah, I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know if that actually works out that well, because to

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<v Speaker 1>be Gordian, I would think it would be hard to navigate.

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<v Speaker 1>So far, I found Chicago much easier to navigate than

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<v Speaker 1>most cities. Right, y'all, this is smart. Y'all have a grid.

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<v Speaker 1>Guys have great public transportation. We're from Atlanta. Try to

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<v Speaker 1>find your way around in Atlanta. Yet, well, they're all

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<v Speaker 1>little cattle trails that got convert anyway. I'm just saying

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<v Speaker 1>it's a great name. I'm that's not saying you're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>get lost. Okay, we got to make it to the fair. Okay. So,

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<v Speaker 1>as cities gathering, urbanization cities gathering, they tend to grow

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<v Speaker 1>up because where you're going to fit all those people, right,

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<v Speaker 1>You've got to expand into three dimensions. So uh so

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<v Speaker 1>driving into three dimensions. The urbanization trend was also tightly

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<v Speaker 1>linked to the development of high rise architecture and and

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<v Speaker 1>this new class of architects to design these tall buildings

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<v Speaker 1>that would pack in all these people in the new cities.

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<v Speaker 1>And this new class of architects included the people Daniel

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<v Speaker 1>Burnham and John Wellborn Route, who were also responsible for

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<v Speaker 1>buildings like the twenty one story Masonic Temple building in

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<v Speaker 1>Chicago pretty good name Satanic, Yeah, and the Rookery Building,

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<v Speaker 1>which is still standing today. I went and saw it yesterday. Robert,

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<v Speaker 1>you saw it, Christian? Did you see it yet? I

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<v Speaker 1>haven't been yet. I'm gonna try to go tomorrow. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>it's if you're in town. It's beautiful. You should go

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<v Speaker 1>in there. Take a look at the lobby. It's got

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<v Speaker 1>this non representative artistry on the architecture inside the lobby

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<v Speaker 1>that makes it look kind of like a mosque. It's

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<v Speaker 1>very beautiful. I love it. Um But anyway, so they

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<v Speaker 1>were designing these new type types of buildings, buildings that

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<v Speaker 1>went up into the sky, stuff people have never seen before.

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<v Speaker 1>And being a high rise architect in Chicago was a

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<v Speaker 1>difficult job because I don't know if anybody here has

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<v Speaker 1>ever tried to build in Chicago. Apparently the soil here

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<v Speaker 1>is just junk. It's uh, it's like a mud flat

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<v Speaker 1>that sinks down, and when you try to build, your

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<v Speaker 1>buildings will sink into the mud and shift. So they

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<v Speaker 1>had to come up with new technologies to build new

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<v Speaker 1>types of foundations that would anchor these buildings. They didn't

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<v Speaker 1>start leaning over halfway through construction. Um, so this really

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<v Speaker 1>is It's we don't often think about buildings as technological

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<v Speaker 1>organisms today, but they really are. These high rise buildings

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<v Speaker 1>were a monstrous achievement of science and technology. So we

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<v Speaker 1>get to eighteen ninety, we're getting to the fair. The

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<v Speaker 1>US Congress votes to host a World's Fair in eighteen

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<v Speaker 1>it's in celebration of does anybody want to guess Columbus

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<v Speaker 1>that guy because it's the Columbian right, Yes, So it

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<v Speaker 1>would be the four hundredth anniversary of Columbus's landing in

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<v Speaker 1>the New World. And who's going to get to host

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<v Speaker 1>the city? There's a big competition between cities. You have

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<v Speaker 1>New York wants to host it. All these cities want

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<v Speaker 1>to host I think St. Louis did, but wouldn't you

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<v Speaker 1>know it, Chicago, this satanic building building, the satanic city

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<v Speaker 1>built on quicksand gets to host the fair. And that,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean that's pretty cool to imagine, like, oh, this

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<v Speaker 1>city all these people thought was just a hellhole. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>and now we're going to bring the entire world there

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<v Speaker 1>and show them what's up. Show them what America can do.

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<v Speaker 1>So this is probably a good place to acknowledge one

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<v Speaker 1>of our key resources in researching this episode, which is

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<v Speaker 1>Eric Larson's excellent two thousand three nonfiction book White City.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, you haven't read it. That is a great book,

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<v Speaker 1>absolutely fabulous and one of one of the Mikey resources

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<v Speaker 1>and working in this And one of the points Eric

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<v Speaker 1>Larson made is that it's hard for us today, even

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<v Speaker 1>we got some cheers earlier for hating New York, but um,

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<v Speaker 1>it's hard for us today to understand the depth of

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<v Speaker 1>location based pride in the eighteen nineties that people, when

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<v Speaker 1>the reputation of their city was on the line, they

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<v Speaker 1>took that so seriously. And so fair is coming, you

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<v Speaker 1>gotta make it good. So there was an absolutely frantic

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<v Speaker 1>design and construction phase, and the fair opened finally in

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<v Speaker 1>May one. It began with a horrible flot because it

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<v Speaker 1>coincided almost perfectly with the panic of eighteen ninety three.

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<v Speaker 1>So imagine starting this World's Fair where you want to

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<v Speaker 1>bring everybody and show what your country can do, and

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<v Speaker 1>right then you get a depression. It's like if you're

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<v Speaker 1>at C two E two in two thousand eight, in

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<v Speaker 1>the economy. It is completely plummeted, and you couldn't buy

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<v Speaker 1>cosplay costumes right or worse, maybe worse. So in a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of ways, you could look at the fair as

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<v Speaker 1>kind of a financial failure, but in other ways, I

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<v Speaker 1>think we should look at it as one of the

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<v Speaker 1>coolest and most important events in American history. It was

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<v Speaker 1>this romantic, ecumenical, insane, science fiction assemblage of the spirit

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<v Speaker 1>of the American city, especially the soul of Chicago and

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<v Speaker 1>everything that Chicago embodied, everything angelic, everything satanic, And I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>how cool is this? They built a city within a city.

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<v Speaker 1>They built a city within a city on the shore

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<v Speaker 1>of Lake Michigan, and it lived for a year. It

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<v Speaker 1>was throughout the summer season while people came to the fair,

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<v Speaker 1>and then it disappeared into history, you know. And we've

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<v Speaker 1>been talking about this amongst ourselves as we've been researching it. Like,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm wondering, those of you who are from Illinois, did

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<v Speaker 1>you learn about the White City as you're growing up?

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<v Speaker 1>Was this like a point of pride from the various

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<v Speaker 1>places that we grew up in. I didn't hear about

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<v Speaker 1>it until I was until I read double in the

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<v Speaker 1>White City and this is this amazing thing in American

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<v Speaker 1>history that seems to get glossed over. Yeah, I feel

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<v Speaker 1>like you tend to learn more about your own states

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<v Speaker 1>world thing, right, Yeah, then you do about the about

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<v Speaker 1>You know, everyone wants to celebrate their own party, not

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<v Speaker 1>the great party of it. For me, it was the

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<v Speaker 1>tea party, but the old one. Uh, for us growing

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<v Speaker 1>up in Tennessee, what did we learn more like the

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<v Speaker 1>mini versatile uses of corn chips. Well, and of course

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<v Speaker 1>in Knox Fill we have the big golden globe with

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<v Speaker 1>the wigs in it. Yeah, with the wig tower. Was

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<v Speaker 1>that real? Or was that just the Simpsons? That? What?

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<v Speaker 1>The wig tower? There, wigs in it, the buildings there,

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<v Speaker 1>you have ruined reality for me. Okay, So each of

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<v Speaker 1>the three of us is going to focus on one

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<v Speaker 1>major aspect of the fair that we want to talk

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<v Speaker 1>about that we found especially interesting. But before we get

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<v Speaker 1>into that, we just wanted to give you a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit of the texture of the fair so you can

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<v Speaker 1>know what all is going on there. There's absolutely no

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<v Speaker 1>way we could explore everything that was happening at the

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<v Speaker 1>fair because it was I mean, it was the the

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<v Speaker 1>whole world in a in a in a single place,

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<v Speaker 1>it would be a possible, but to try to give

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<v Speaker 1>you a quick picture, one of the first things you'd

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<v Speaker 1>notice if you walk into the fair is probably the architecture. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>they had landscape architecture right from Frederick Law Olmstead, the

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<v Speaker 1>guy who designed Central Park in New York and a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of I mean a lot of times. If you

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<v Speaker 1>go to a city and you find a beautiful park

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<v Speaker 1>with greens and nice sloping contours and uh tastefully selected

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<v Speaker 1>plants and all that, you look it up designed by Olmstead. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>so are our big park back in our hometown of Atlanta.

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<v Speaker 1>Piedmont Park is an Olmstead park. That's pretty cool. It

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<v Speaker 1>is pretty cool. It's best when it's full of dogs,

0:16:37.240 --> 0:16:39.800
<v Speaker 1>exactly when they get away from their owners and they

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<v Speaker 1>come and get your hot dog. I'm not speaking from experience,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't, but yeah, but also building architecture, so um.

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<v Speaker 1>The person who is selected to head up the fair,

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<v Speaker 1>to be the czar of the fair and control all

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<v Speaker 1>of its machinations was Daniel Burnham. The architect I mentioned

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<v Speaker 1>earlier was responsible for the rookery uh, and he also

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<v Speaker 1>wanted the fair to be about building architecture. And this

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<v Speaker 1>is what led to the White City. We had the

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<v Speaker 1>image up earlier. It seems to be gone now, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>But this was this was a city built on the shore.

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<v Speaker 1>It was in Jackson Park on the shore of Lake Michigan,

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<v Speaker 1>and he invited architects from all over the place, all

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<v Speaker 1>the best architects in the country to come together and

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<v Speaker 1>build a city in the neo classical architecture style. So

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<v Speaker 1>if you're trying to picture that, think I think like

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<v Speaker 1>ancient Rome. Think columns and cornices and sort of like

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<v Speaker 1>the design you would find in the US capital, uh

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<v Speaker 1>and things like that. It suggests stateliness, power, pride, empire

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<v Speaker 1>uh and other various beautiful and evil things all wrapped

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<v Speaker 1>into one. But because they were on a really tight schedule,

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<v Speaker 1>they've been thinking about what are we going to paint

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<v Speaker 1>all the buildings that they just went all white, just

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<v Speaker 1>everything white. It just painted all white. Basically, it's like

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<v Speaker 1>they put the primer on it. It's like they got

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<v Speaker 1>their miniatures ready for the big game and they had

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<v Speaker 1>time for the primer, but not to really paint the army.

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<v Speaker 1>But hey, you know, you gotta that's a game. You

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<v Speaker 1>got a game that's a good way to think about

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<v Speaker 1>the White City, like a big game of Warhammer. Warhammer,

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<v Speaker 1>I guess it would. It's the future. The future is

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<v Speaker 1>those the emphasis here, right. Okay, So you've got the

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<v Speaker 1>White City and you're walking in there, and you try

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<v Speaker 1>to imagine going to this on like a hot summer

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<v Speaker 1>day with the sun beating down and all these white

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<v Speaker 1>buildings and then the sun reflecting off the lake. It

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<v Speaker 1>would be not only beautiful but probably literally hurt your eyes. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>just all this is all this light, but you're so bright.

0:18:37.440 --> 0:18:42.800
<v Speaker 1>You gotta wear shades. Man, oh man, I'm like that

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<v Speaker 1>was the slogan at my college graduation. No way they

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<v Speaker 1>made us wear sunglasses. It was real silly. Anyway, who

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<v Speaker 1>embarrassing personal history? We don't do that enough. Anyway. By night,

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<v Speaker 1>you would you would witness another one of the fairest marvels,

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<v Speaker 1>which is electric lighting. Now, electric lighting was had already

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<v Speaker 1>existed at this point, but it wasn't fully adopted everywhere,

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<v Speaker 1>and so they had enormous amounts of electric light going

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<v Speaker 1>on at this fair more than a hundred and twenty

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<v Speaker 1>thousand incandescent electric lamps, seven thousand arc lights. George Westinghouse

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<v Speaker 1>the guy who held the rights to Nicola Tesla's Alternating

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<v Speaker 1>Current was the one who got the contract to electrify

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<v Speaker 1>the Fair, and this actually played a big role in

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<v Speaker 1>getting Alternating Current AC accepted as the new standard over

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<v Speaker 1>Edison's d C. I'm sure y'all we got fans of

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<v Speaker 1>the current wars out here. Yeah, we have. We have

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<v Speaker 1>a couple of episodes about that stuff. These guys in particular,

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<v Speaker 1>did a really great episode about the uh, the religious

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<v Speaker 1>aspects of electricity. Yeah, if you want to go check

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<v Speaker 1>that out in our back catalog. What is it called

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<v Speaker 1>Early Days of Electricity. It's about how a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>people used to think electricity was magic and holy and

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<v Speaker 1>they wrote poems about it and then it got really boring.

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<v Speaker 1>Around the same time they started electrocuting people in the

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<v Speaker 1>electric chair. So the Fairy used three times as much

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<v Speaker 1>electricity as the entire city of Chicago. This is definitely

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<v Speaker 1>a technological revolution. Um. More random curiosities from the Fair.

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<v Speaker 1>I just want to mention a few real quick. The

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<v Speaker 1>future of weaponry. The largest artillery gun ever built up

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<v Speaker 1>to that time, by the Fritz, by the Fritz, by

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<v Speaker 1>the German gun. Yeah, while he was the Fritz. He

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<v Speaker 1>was Fritz Krupp, the German gun god who made artillery weapons.

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<v Speaker 1>So this was the biggest one, every twenty seven tons.

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<v Speaker 1>It was capable of shooting a one ton shell. Krupp

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<v Speaker 1>claimed up to a range of sixteen miles, and people

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<v Speaker 1>nicknamed it Krup's baby or Crup's monster. And I think

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<v Speaker 1>this is interesting because you get a kind of preview

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<v Speaker 1>of some of the carnage that's going to come with

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<v Speaker 1>the changing technological world. And just I guess with twenty

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<v Speaker 1>five years from then, once we get to World War One,

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<v Speaker 1>the first really true artillery campaign. So this is like

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<v Speaker 1>the moat up of their time, the what the moab?

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<v Speaker 1>The mo Yeah pretty much. Yeah. And then didn't they

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<v Speaker 1>like that you told me this. They would fire the

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<v Speaker 1>shells at targets here in Chicago, right, so they could

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<v Speaker 1>demonstrate its power. Thankfully, they did not try to fire

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<v Speaker 1>the gun inside the city. They had these destroyed targets.

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<v Speaker 1>It was almost like warnings. They had these destroyed targets

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<v Speaker 1>to be these sheets of eighteen inch thick steel that

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<v Speaker 1>are just blown to smithereens by the gun. Uh, they

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<v Speaker 1>claimed the gun had done this. No nobody really saw it. Happen.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess we have to assume it worked. But the

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<v Speaker 1>fair had a Hall of Electricity. Apparently there was just

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<v Speaker 1>an ungodly noise inside. Can you imagine all this nineteenth

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<v Speaker 1>century electricity uh display? So Nicola Tesla had all these

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<v Speaker 1>devices there to show off how electricity worked, induction motors, um,

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<v Speaker 1>you know. Can you imagine the whirring and the clattering

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<v Speaker 1>and the static discharge crashing like there's lightning and screaming

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<v Speaker 1>all in the building. I'm sure it would have been cool.

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<v Speaker 1>It sounds like here kind of Also about the hall

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<v Speaker 1>of like tricity, they had a Benjamin Franklin statue in

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<v Speaker 1>Michael Angeloyd glory, except he was clothed boring. What was

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<v Speaker 1>he wearing standard Benjamin Franklin crap? I don't know even

0:22:14.200 --> 0:22:17.959
<v Speaker 1>they shared that coat with the spectacles. Think he had

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<v Speaker 1>his spectacles on. But to go for the real thing,

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<v Speaker 1>they should have had him nude, like the David with

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<v Speaker 1>the arm back holding a kite. Yeah. One last thing

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<v Speaker 1>I want to mention is the cultural displays of the fair.

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<v Speaker 1>So the fair had a midway with these international cultural

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<v Speaker 1>displays from all over the world. For example, the Street

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<v Speaker 1>of Cairo where they would recreate the architecture of Egypt.

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<v Speaker 1>So they had like a mosque because they had a

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<v Speaker 1>mosque rebuilt there. Uh. They had the replica of the

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<v Speaker 1>luxe Or Temple, and supposedly one of the obelisks in

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<v Speaker 1>their replica luxe Or Temple I have read had Grover

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<v Speaker 1>Cleveland's name President Grover Cleveland inscribed in hyrid affix. Who

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<v Speaker 1>knows if that's true? How would you even spell that?

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<v Speaker 1>Did they anyway? Um? But then also uh, to to

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<v Speaker 1>pair with the futurists, been to the fair. Westinghouse put

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<v Speaker 1>together a second Egyptian temple, except this one was an

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<v Speaker 1>electrical temple with electrified lights, almost just to mess with

0:23:17.200 --> 0:23:20.160
<v Speaker 1>people like, oh you saw that other Egyptian temple. Huh,

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<v Speaker 1>how about one that will shock you? And they had

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<v Speaker 1>mummies there, Oh yeah, wax mummies. They had replicas of mummies.

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<v Speaker 1>Wouldn't it be great if they had real mummies? Electric

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<v Speaker 1>electric electric mummies. That's a good that's a good band name.

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<v Speaker 1>You can imagine Tesla and Westinghouse would like come up

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<v Speaker 1>with the machine. A machine makes sixteen mummies an hour. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>But one more thing about the street of Cairo was

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<v Speaker 1>the street itself, and this was actually the more popular

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<v Speaker 1>aspect of the the international things. In the Midway. You

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<v Speaker 1>would have things like donkey rides for the kids. People

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<v Speaker 1>actually came from places all around the world to show

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<v Speaker 1>off what their culture looked like. Now we don't know

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<v Speaker 1>always how acurate it would have looked as depicted at

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<v Speaker 1>the fair, but they'd have, you know, a street that's

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<v Speaker 1>supposed to be filled with people from Cairo showing what

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<v Speaker 1>they do in Cairo, having a donkey and camel rides

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<v Speaker 1>for the kids, and coffee and Egyptian exotic dancers for

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<v Speaker 1>mom and dad, and that this is like the Epcot

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<v Speaker 1>center of it. It's hard not to think of of

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<v Speaker 1>Disney World. Yea, when when when when? When thinking how

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<v Speaker 1>much cosplay was going on there, that is a good question.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if that had caught on yet, but

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<v Speaker 1>like so you'd have people from Chicago or maybe from

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<v Speaker 1>rural Illinois showing up dressing as the street of Cairo

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<v Speaker 1>or mummies as Yeah. Uh so when I think about this,

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<v Speaker 1>I think about like the cultural display is coming together.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's confounding because I sense different different spirits

0:24:48.320 --> 0:24:51.040
<v Speaker 1>in the interest people had in this. In one sense,

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<v Speaker 1>I sense a kind of crass orientalism, right, like Americans

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<v Speaker 1>just wanting to look at what those backward foreigners are,

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<v Speaker 1>like a kind of puerile curiosity, maybe also hoping there

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<v Speaker 1>might be some nudity and seeing some foreign dances. But

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<v Speaker 1>on the other hand, I also since there there's a

0:25:07.440 --> 0:25:11.960
<v Speaker 1>layer of genuine, admirable interest in other cultures, and that's

0:25:12.000 --> 0:25:14.080
<v Speaker 1>a cool thing to see too in the eighteen nineties,

0:25:14.080 --> 0:25:16.120
<v Speaker 1>and I think should help transition to what you wanted

0:25:16.160 --> 0:25:19.360
<v Speaker 1>to talk about, right, Robert, Yes, this really interesting thing

0:25:19.359 --> 0:25:22.320
<v Speaker 1>that we're seeing during the World's Fair, this like idea

0:25:22.520 --> 0:25:27.520
<v Speaker 1>of embracing diversity, and so that included religion, right, Yeah,

0:25:27.600 --> 0:25:31.159
<v Speaker 1>So this was the the auxiliary was in charge of

0:25:31.160 --> 0:25:34.320
<v Speaker 1>all cultural matters because you know, this is not only

0:25:34.400 --> 0:25:37.919
<v Speaker 1>a celebration of of what we are, you know, and

0:25:37.960 --> 0:25:40.000
<v Speaker 1>what what cult where culture was at the time, but

0:25:40.320 --> 0:25:43.320
<v Speaker 1>it was about history where how far had we come?

0:25:43.960 --> 0:25:46.639
<v Speaker 1>And uh, and there was this really cool thing that

0:25:46.720 --> 0:25:51.160
<v Speaker 1>was going on there the the Parliament of World Religions. Now,

0:25:51.200 --> 0:25:52.920
<v Speaker 1>I know what what you're gonna ask you. You want

0:25:52.920 --> 0:25:57.080
<v Speaker 1>to know is how funky is it? No, it's not.

0:25:57.840 --> 0:26:00.119
<v Speaker 1>I wanted to know if it's a literal parliament, like

0:26:00.160 --> 0:26:03.280
<v Speaker 1>they bring God in for question time and they can

0:26:03.320 --> 0:26:06.199
<v Speaker 1>you fill a buster? The Presbyterians say, where wigs? Now,

0:26:06.440 --> 0:26:08.760
<v Speaker 1>maybe that's where all those wigs from Tennessee went. Yeah,

0:26:08.960 --> 0:26:12.000
<v Speaker 1>it could be. Basically, the idea of the Parliament of

0:26:12.000 --> 0:26:14.800
<v Speaker 1>World Religions was, let's let's send out these invites to

0:26:14.880 --> 0:26:17.240
<v Speaker 1>all of these these major religions. And yes, most of

0:26:17.240 --> 0:26:20.480
<v Speaker 1>them are gonna end up being English speaking Protestant religions,

0:26:20.520 --> 0:26:23.359
<v Speaker 1>but let's have everybody come in. We'll celebrate what we

0:26:23.440 --> 0:26:25.800
<v Speaker 1>have in common. We'll give everyone a chance to not

0:26:25.920 --> 0:26:29.200
<v Speaker 1>so much to to boast about the religion and push

0:26:29.280 --> 0:26:32.199
<v Speaker 1>down other faiths, but rather to to say, hey, this

0:26:32.280 --> 0:26:34.840
<v Speaker 1>is what we have worked out. This is how we

0:26:34.960 --> 0:26:36.600
<v Speaker 1>bring out the best men people, and this is how

0:26:36.680 --> 0:26:40.480
<v Speaker 1>we can address the concerns of our world. Right, because,

0:26:40.520 --> 0:26:43.520
<v Speaker 1>as Joe is mentioning, you had all these pressures converging

0:26:43.800 --> 0:26:48.320
<v Speaker 1>on not just Chicago but America at the time, right, industrialism, immigration,

0:26:48.440 --> 0:26:52.919
<v Speaker 1>people were freaked out. Yeah, and it's with all of this,

0:26:53.040 --> 0:26:57.000
<v Speaker 1>really every aspect of the of the of the fair here.

0:26:57.160 --> 0:27:00.159
<v Speaker 1>You I mean, you look at it and you know

0:27:00.240 --> 0:27:02.920
<v Speaker 1>what's going to happen in the twentieth century. You know

0:27:03.000 --> 0:27:08.120
<v Speaker 1>about the revolutions, the civil wars, the nationalism, the world wars,

0:27:08.680 --> 0:27:12.840
<v Speaker 1>the Great Depression, the Holocaust, nuclear weapons though, the whole

0:27:12.920 --> 0:27:19.040
<v Speaker 1>nine yards, so stuff everybody's I don't know, but the thing.

0:27:19.280 --> 0:27:21.320
<v Speaker 1>But at the same at the same time, you know,

0:27:21.400 --> 0:27:23.920
<v Speaker 1>we we did have a lot of really positive stuff

0:27:23.920 --> 0:27:25.520
<v Speaker 1>to come out of the twentieth century. I mean, civil

0:27:25.560 --> 0:27:31.000
<v Speaker 1>rights movements, triumph of non violent protests, human space exploration,

0:27:31.600 --> 0:27:35.720
<v Speaker 1>and large extent I'm sorry, Lade Runner, well, of course

0:27:35.720 --> 0:27:39.760
<v Speaker 1>the Blade runner um, but to a to a large extent,

0:27:39.880 --> 0:27:42.399
<v Speaker 1>there was a lot of effort that was made to

0:27:42.400 --> 0:27:47.199
<v Speaker 1>to understand other religions, to promote religious tolerance. And we

0:27:47.240 --> 0:27:50.199
<v Speaker 1>can really look back to the Parliament of World Religions

0:27:50.200 --> 0:27:53.840
<v Speaker 1>in ere and see sort of a beginning there. So

0:27:54.200 --> 0:27:56.399
<v Speaker 1>you could say that in the eighteen nineties this was

0:27:56.440 --> 0:28:00.199
<v Speaker 1>something that was also very needed, right, Yes, So what

0:28:00.240 --> 0:28:02.640
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna explain it describe now, and I'm very much

0:28:03.560 --> 0:28:05.800
<v Speaker 1>jumping off of what Joe said earlier. A lot of

0:28:05.800 --> 0:28:10.159
<v Speaker 1>this is gonna sound hauntingly familiar. Okay, so we have

0:28:10.200 --> 0:28:13.960
<v Speaker 1>to go back to the climate of eighteen nineties America

0:28:14.080 --> 0:28:16.440
<v Speaker 1>and uh, an author by the name of Catherine Marshall.

0:28:16.520 --> 0:28:19.000
<v Speaker 1>She wrote a wonderful piece in the Interfaith Observer in

0:28:19.040 --> 0:28:21.600
<v Speaker 1>tiften and she she did a great job driving home

0:28:21.640 --> 0:28:26.000
<v Speaker 1>some of the key areas where religious and cultural tensions

0:28:26.160 --> 0:28:30.760
<v Speaker 1>were were brewing. So a flood of mostly poor immigrants,

0:28:30.840 --> 0:28:34.320
<v Speaker 1>many of them Jewish refugees from Russia, were entering the

0:28:34.359 --> 0:28:38.520
<v Speaker 1>country and as a result, you had this surge in

0:28:38.680 --> 0:28:43.680
<v Speaker 1>xenophobic and nativist attitudes, and this inspired the founding of

0:28:43.720 --> 0:28:47.520
<v Speaker 1>the Immigration Restriction League, as well as anti immigrant laws

0:28:47.560 --> 0:28:51.520
<v Speaker 1>such as eighteen eighty two's China Exclusion Act. And on

0:28:51.600 --> 0:28:54.840
<v Speaker 1>top of that, you had changes in immigration policies that

0:28:55.320 --> 0:29:00.800
<v Speaker 1>that favored educated Northern European immigrants over pretty much everybody else. Yes,

0:29:01.000 --> 0:29:05.720
<v Speaker 1>this sounds scarily familiar. Yeah, but again you have to

0:29:06.040 --> 0:29:07.800
<v Speaker 1>you have to look at this this world. You see

0:29:07.840 --> 0:29:10.640
<v Speaker 1>what's going on and on in in in In addition

0:29:10.640 --> 0:29:14.000
<v Speaker 1>to all the immigration, you have these globalizing elements that

0:29:14.040 --> 0:29:17.400
<v Speaker 1>were taking place, right you had you had this surge

0:29:17.440 --> 0:29:23.280
<v Speaker 1>and technological achievement. So this is where again the the

0:29:23.080 --> 0:29:27.200
<v Speaker 1>the World Religious Parliament comes into play. One of the

0:29:27.280 --> 0:29:29.520
<v Speaker 1>key individuals here and uh and I'm going to go

0:29:29.600 --> 0:29:32.080
<v Speaker 1>into detail about him because it's kind of interesting to

0:29:32.080 --> 0:29:34.640
<v Speaker 1>to look at him. Is one of the roots of

0:29:34.680 --> 0:29:39.640
<v Speaker 1>it here. Um. His name was Charles Carroll Bonnie, and

0:29:39.680 --> 0:29:43.240
<v Speaker 1>he was a Chicago lawyer, a judge, a teacher, president

0:29:43.280 --> 0:29:46.560
<v Speaker 1>of the World's Congress Auxiliary. They're the ones who did

0:29:46.600 --> 0:29:50.280
<v Speaker 1>a lot of the cultural and religious stuff for this celebration.

0:29:50.680 --> 0:29:53.760
<v Speaker 1>And he was charged with highlighting the intellectual and more

0:29:53.960 --> 0:29:57.680
<v Speaker 1>moral progress of the civilized world. And uh, he was

0:29:57.760 --> 0:30:00.840
<v Speaker 1>also a member of a new religious movement known as

0:30:00.880 --> 0:30:04.280
<v Speaker 1>the sweden Borgian Church. Oh boy, how many of you

0:30:04.320 --> 0:30:07.080
<v Speaker 1>have heard of the Swedenborgian Church before? Okay, I see,

0:30:07.120 --> 0:30:10.120
<v Speaker 1>like four hands, all right, there's a fifth. We may

0:30:10.120 --> 0:30:13.800
<v Speaker 1>even have some Swedenborgians in the audience, maybe any Swedenborgians.

0:30:14.720 --> 0:30:17.400
<v Speaker 1>Well okay, maybe not, but we got one maybe. Al right,

0:30:17.600 --> 0:30:22.880
<v Speaker 1>well all right, well hope this is named after a person, right, yeah, yeah,

0:30:22.920 --> 0:30:25.600
<v Speaker 1>this is named after an individual by the name of

0:30:25.640 --> 0:30:29.720
<v Speaker 1>Emmanuel Swedenborg. What a name. Okay, hold on a second.

0:30:29.840 --> 0:30:33.680
<v Speaker 1>This guy is Swedish and his name is sweden Borg.

0:30:33.960 --> 0:30:36.640
<v Speaker 1>So that'd be like if my name was Christian America Borg.

0:30:37.520 --> 0:30:39.200
<v Speaker 1>You should consider it. I mean, I think that's the one.

0:30:39.240 --> 0:30:41.200
<v Speaker 1>Heck of mind. Yeah, maybe I'll change it for the show.

0:30:41.480 --> 0:30:44.000
<v Speaker 1>That's the name of a project deep under the ground

0:30:44.080 --> 0:30:51.960
<v Speaker 1>in the Pentagon Christian American. It's an electric mummy. So

0:30:52.280 --> 0:30:54.080
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna talk a little more about the Swedenborgians in

0:30:54.160 --> 0:30:57.440
<v Speaker 1>just a second. But first, new religious movements. What is

0:30:57.440 --> 0:31:00.360
<v Speaker 1>a new religious movement, Robert, be straight with me. It

0:31:00.400 --> 0:31:03.720
<v Speaker 1>is the same thing as a cult. All right, This

0:31:03.760 --> 0:31:06.600
<v Speaker 1>is the way I listen to this pause, Well, okay,

0:31:06.720 --> 0:31:07.800
<v Speaker 1>this is the way I like to look at it.

0:31:07.840 --> 0:31:10.680
<v Speaker 1>You have cults over here, and there's a certain certain

0:31:10.720 --> 0:31:13.200
<v Speaker 1>list of criteria for cults, and you have a new

0:31:13.240 --> 0:31:16.320
<v Speaker 1>religious movements over here, and there are certain criteria. Sometimes

0:31:16.320 --> 0:31:20.400
<v Speaker 1>these two things overlap. I think you can sort of

0:31:20.440 --> 0:31:23.800
<v Speaker 1>look at like like any young religion is kind of

0:31:23.840 --> 0:31:27.040
<v Speaker 1>like a like a teenager. You know, they're they're just

0:31:27.080 --> 0:31:29.760
<v Speaker 1>figuring out who they are and uh, maybe they're a

0:31:29.800 --> 0:31:33.240
<v Speaker 1>little impulsive. They have a lot of growing up to do, uh,

0:31:33.280 --> 0:31:36.040
<v Speaker 1>and that will come in time if they survive. And

0:31:36.080 --> 0:31:40.000
<v Speaker 1>they don't always get invited to world parliaments like teenagers.

0:31:41.240 --> 0:31:45.240
<v Speaker 1>So another way to look at it at new religious movements,

0:31:45.360 --> 0:31:48.800
<v Speaker 1>very much in keeping with the fair, is that these

0:31:48.840 --> 0:31:53.400
<v Speaker 1>are they're almost always rooted in ancient religious traditions, but

0:31:53.600 --> 0:31:57.400
<v Speaker 1>it's someone has taken those religious traditions, or rather picked

0:31:57.440 --> 0:32:00.520
<v Speaker 1>up the shards of them and reform them into something

0:32:00.920 --> 0:32:06.480
<v Speaker 1>that appeals to modern believers. That that it tackles modern problems.

0:32:06.520 --> 0:32:08.800
<v Speaker 1>It's been it's something that's taken the old and remade

0:32:08.800 --> 0:32:11.520
<v Speaker 1>it into something new. This is the principle of syncretism.

0:32:11.520 --> 0:32:13.320
<v Speaker 1>In fact, this is how we get I would say,

0:32:13.360 --> 0:32:15.920
<v Speaker 1>most religions that exist in the world you can see

0:32:15.920 --> 0:32:18.280
<v Speaker 1>as being sort of built out of the pieces of

0:32:18.320 --> 0:32:21.480
<v Speaker 1>older religions. Yeah, if you've ever listened to our podcast before,

0:32:21.600 --> 0:32:23.800
<v Speaker 1>this actually comes up quite a bit, and sometimes we

0:32:23.920 --> 0:32:26.600
<v Speaker 1>refer to it as the lunch tray method of religion,

0:32:26.600 --> 0:32:29.040
<v Speaker 1>where you can just pick different versions that will be

0:32:29.080 --> 0:32:31.720
<v Speaker 1>your meal. Yeah, though generally at this time you're talking

0:32:31.720 --> 0:32:34.320
<v Speaker 1>about someone else saying, all right, here is your new meal.

0:32:34.520 --> 0:32:37.040
<v Speaker 1>I've I've picked up what you don't need anymore. I've

0:32:37.080 --> 0:32:39.239
<v Speaker 1>decided that we're just having corn. That's sort of thing.

0:32:40.120 --> 0:32:43.960
<v Speaker 1>But it's corner of the ky what or it's corn

0:32:44.040 --> 0:32:47.880
<v Speaker 1>with the quor. You know, it's interesting to talk about

0:32:47.880 --> 0:32:50.920
<v Speaker 1>religion while we're we're here it's E two E two

0:32:51.560 --> 0:32:53.720
<v Speaker 1>because we we have passed episodes where we talked about

0:32:53.760 --> 0:32:57.680
<v Speaker 1>hyper real religions, the idea that a lot in many

0:32:57.720 --> 0:33:02.440
<v Speaker 1>cases fandoms and various five properties. Fantasy properties like these

0:33:02.480 --> 0:33:06.240
<v Speaker 1>can take on the power of religion for modern people.

0:33:06.400 --> 0:33:08.720
<v Speaker 1>And we have some examples where people tend to take

0:33:08.760 --> 0:33:10.880
<v Speaker 1>that to a literal extent, such as Jedi is um

0:33:10.880 --> 0:33:14.080
<v Speaker 1>any jedi Ists in here or jedis there. There are

0:33:14.120 --> 0:33:17.360
<v Speaker 1>people who literally claim to have Jedi as their religions.

0:33:17.720 --> 0:33:21.400
<v Speaker 1>Consider the one way were wondering about was postapharianism. Yeah,

0:33:22.080 --> 0:33:24.480
<v Speaker 1>if there are any of those folks here, we'll think

0:33:24.520 --> 0:33:29.200
<v Speaker 1>about all of this religious in some places. So as

0:33:29.240 --> 0:33:31.800
<v Speaker 1>we continue, Yeah, if you're having trouble connecting to the

0:33:31.840 --> 0:33:34.920
<v Speaker 1>religious idea, just replace the religion with with whatever your

0:33:34.960 --> 0:33:39.080
<v Speaker 1>favorite fandom happens to be. Now, as far as real

0:33:39.440 --> 0:33:42.480
<v Speaker 1>um a new religious movements, just a two quick examples

0:33:42.600 --> 0:33:45.320
<v Speaker 1>because these will come into play. That you had eighteen

0:33:45.360 --> 0:33:48.280
<v Speaker 1>thirty the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter day Saints.

0:33:48.640 --> 0:33:51.800
<v Speaker 1>That's a perfect example of not only a new religious movement,

0:33:51.840 --> 0:33:54.640
<v Speaker 1>but a frontier and new religious movement, one that was

0:33:54.640 --> 0:33:57.280
<v Speaker 1>was very much coming out of a place and time

0:33:57.280 --> 0:33:59.880
<v Speaker 1>and the needs of the people there and deeply American

0:34:00.040 --> 0:34:03.000
<v Speaker 1>in character. And then you also had the Christian Scientist

0:34:03.240 --> 0:34:07.760
<v Speaker 1>eighteen seventy nine. They were both founded prior to the

0:34:07.960 --> 0:34:11.880
<v Speaker 1>Colombian Exposition, but only one of them was invited. And

0:34:12.239 --> 0:34:14.520
<v Speaker 1>I'll touch that on that in a minute. You're not

0:34:14.560 --> 0:34:18.960
<v Speaker 1>gonna tell us which one, Okay, I'll go ahead, and

0:34:18.560 --> 0:34:20.400
<v Speaker 1>all right, you can try and figure it out. But

0:34:21.200 --> 0:34:25.200
<v Speaker 1>more recent examples, of course, would be like Rastafari scientology

0:34:25.200 --> 0:34:30.520
<v Speaker 1>and follow him gong. Okay, so we've we've established that Swedenborgianism,

0:34:31.280 --> 0:34:34.920
<v Speaker 1>or rather the New Church Swedenborgian Church. This was basically

0:34:34.960 --> 0:34:37.560
<v Speaker 1>the idea that the Second Coming had occurred and we're

0:34:37.560 --> 0:34:40.279
<v Speaker 1>all living in the New Jerusalem and uh, and we

0:34:40.320 --> 0:34:42.280
<v Speaker 1>need to focus on making the world a better place.

0:34:42.640 --> 0:34:46.239
<v Speaker 1>That's that's just a very brief breakdown of that. Uh.

0:34:46.560 --> 0:34:50.160
<v Speaker 1>It's like later seasons of Battlestar Collector. Yeah, and it

0:34:50.239 --> 0:34:52.520
<v Speaker 1>was a pretty big deal. I mean, Johnny Appleseed was

0:34:52.520 --> 0:34:56.200
<v Speaker 1>a member of the New Church. Johnny Appleseed, Johnny Appleseed,

0:34:56.200 --> 0:34:59.640
<v Speaker 1>Helen Keller, William Blake, and there was one other who

0:34:59.719 --> 0:35:03.760
<v Speaker 1>was Rubber Frost. So so they were cool with cider then,

0:35:04.320 --> 0:35:08.279
<v Speaker 1>oh yeah, yeah, the American side are hard on like

0:35:08.320 --> 0:35:11.880
<v Speaker 1>the Swedenborgian Avengers. Yeah yeah, b B B b b

0:35:12.000 --> 0:35:14.040
<v Speaker 1>B one thing we didn't even say. But you've got

0:35:14.040 --> 0:35:16.360
<v Speaker 1>to have in mind thinking about the World's Fair in

0:35:16.400 --> 0:35:20.919
<v Speaker 1>the eighteen nineties. Behind everything, there is a rabid temperance

0:35:21.000 --> 0:35:24.920
<v Speaker 1>movement that wants influence on whatever you're doing. So anybody

0:35:24.920 --> 0:35:27.279
<v Speaker 1>who wanted to have drinks going on wherever, they were

0:35:27.280 --> 0:35:31.640
<v Speaker 1>always fighting the temperance movement. All right, So back to

0:35:31.719 --> 0:35:33.960
<v Speaker 1>this world, this Parliament of religions, how does a good

0:35:34.040 --> 0:35:38.560
<v Speaker 1>rolling Well, Bonnie appoints the first Presbyterian clergyman, John Henry Barrows,

0:35:38.840 --> 0:35:41.800
<v Speaker 1>to admit that minister this thing. He ends up writing

0:35:41.880 --> 0:35:43.799
<v Speaker 1>about this a lot. There's a book that you can

0:35:43.840 --> 0:35:47.680
<v Speaker 1>find of his online at archive dot org where he

0:35:47.719 --> 0:35:51.120
<v Speaker 1>just goes into exhaustive detail about the whole deal. But basically,

0:35:51.239 --> 0:35:53.600
<v Speaker 1>they send out these invitations. He and a bunch of

0:35:53.640 --> 0:35:56.879
<v Speaker 1>sixteen other people that put together these invitations send them

0:35:56.880 --> 0:36:00.719
<v Speaker 1>out three thousand copies of the preliminary address, uh to

0:36:01.160 --> 0:36:06.040
<v Speaker 1>religions around the world to participate. Uh So not everybody

0:36:06.120 --> 0:36:08.759
<v Speaker 1>was crazy about it. The Presbyterians didn't like it, The

0:36:08.840 --> 0:36:12.280
<v Speaker 1>Church of England, European Roman Catholics, the Sultan of Turkey,

0:36:13.160 --> 0:36:17.799
<v Speaker 1>various American even a Gelicles disapproved, but a number of

0:36:17.800 --> 0:36:21.800
<v Speaker 1>other people were really into the idea. Now, not everybody

0:36:21.800 --> 0:36:23.399
<v Speaker 1>got an invite. I don't want to make it sound

0:36:23.440 --> 0:36:26.839
<v Speaker 1>like this was just super inclusive. The Church of Latter

0:36:26.920 --> 0:36:31.040
<v Speaker 1>day Saints were snubbed from the event despite really uh

0:36:31.120 --> 0:36:34.040
<v Speaker 1>that they were really interested in attending, but they ended

0:36:34.120 --> 0:36:39.600
<v Speaker 1>up not taking of the controversy of polygamy at the time. Yeah,

0:36:39.680 --> 0:36:42.040
<v Speaker 1>and it just but it does just go to show

0:36:42.080 --> 0:36:45.759
<v Speaker 1>that there was some favoritism. Like even it's eight so

0:36:45.920 --> 0:36:48.920
<v Speaker 1>even in the name of like bringing all these religions together,

0:36:49.160 --> 0:36:53.680
<v Speaker 1>there's still some closed mindedness about about some new religious movements,

0:36:53.719 --> 0:36:56.279
<v Speaker 1>like the right kind of new religious movements, like the

0:36:56.320 --> 0:36:59.040
<v Speaker 1>Christian Scientists are invited, but but but not the Morment.

0:37:00.440 --> 0:37:04.120
<v Speaker 1>We're having a religion party. No Mormons allowed, all right,

0:37:04.200 --> 0:37:07.080
<v Speaker 1>So the party takes place and it is it's it's

0:37:07.160 --> 0:37:10.560
<v Speaker 1>quite a success. So talk in terms of who attended,

0:37:11.000 --> 0:37:14.360
<v Speaker 1>one fifty two out of one nine papers were English

0:37:14.400 --> 0:37:19.520
<v Speaker 1>speaking Christians, but you still saw twelve Buddhist, eleven Jewish presenters,

0:37:20.000 --> 0:37:25.880
<v Speaker 1>eight Hindu to Islamic, two Zoroastrians to Shinto to Confucians,

0:37:25.920 --> 0:37:29.880
<v Speaker 1>to Dallast and uh one Janus. So that's a pretty

0:37:29.880 --> 0:37:33.160
<v Speaker 1>good Amountain. You also had a Christian scientist and a theosoficet.

0:37:34.400 --> 0:37:36.440
<v Speaker 1>That sounds like a pretty good representation to me. I mean,

0:37:36.560 --> 0:37:38.640
<v Speaker 1>went the more I hear about this more, the more

0:37:38.680 --> 0:37:41.480
<v Speaker 1>I wonder, like, would this be possible today? Well, we'll

0:37:41.480 --> 0:37:45.839
<v Speaker 1>get to that. So the inaugural celebration began with an

0:37:45.840 --> 0:37:51.040
<v Speaker 1>interfaith ceremony, drawing in some four thousand people. Reported five

0:37:51.080 --> 0:37:56.319
<v Speaker 1>thousand assembled to hear a speech by Hindu monk Swami Vivicananda,

0:37:56.520 --> 0:37:59.960
<v Speaker 1>who's widely regarded as being the guy who introduced Hinduism

0:38:00.000 --> 0:38:02.359
<v Speaker 1>and yoga to the Western world. So if you did

0:38:02.440 --> 0:38:05.799
<v Speaker 1>yoga today, thanks Swami Vivicananda. We have our hotel has

0:38:05.880 --> 0:38:08.640
<v Speaker 1>yoga mats in the closets all thank to Swami Vivcana.

0:38:09.520 --> 0:38:12.440
<v Speaker 1>It's awful. And oh yeah, nineteen women spoke at the

0:38:12.920 --> 0:38:15.360
<v Speaker 1>at at the Congress as well, which I think was,

0:38:15.400 --> 0:38:18.239
<v Speaker 1>you know, pretty good for the day. So the Parliament

0:38:18.280 --> 0:38:21.200
<v Speaker 1>didn't attempt to unify religion. They again, they approached it

0:38:21.239 --> 0:38:23.919
<v Speaker 1>more as a platform for everyone to share their light.

0:38:24.800 --> 0:38:26.920
<v Speaker 1>And yet there were those who managed to throw a

0:38:26.920 --> 0:38:30.000
<v Speaker 1>few elbows into other religions to sort of talk here

0:38:30.040 --> 0:38:34.080
<v Speaker 1>and there about you know, false religions. Uh. There was

0:38:34.160 --> 0:38:36.440
<v Speaker 1>a few people in in particular who kind of use

0:38:36.520 --> 0:38:40.719
<v Speaker 1>battle royal darwinnus of Um language to describe it as

0:38:40.719 --> 0:38:44.239
<v Speaker 1>if this whole party was just one big battle and

0:38:44.280 --> 0:38:46.160
<v Speaker 1>at the end there can be only one. I like

0:38:46.239 --> 0:38:49.359
<v Speaker 1>the Yeah, it's like Highlander, but they're all wearing like

0:38:49.640 --> 0:38:54.480
<v Speaker 1>Japanese school girl outfits fighting over religions. Yeah, and McLeod

0:38:54.600 --> 0:38:57.120
<v Speaker 1>is a Presbyterian. Yeah, which one is a clancy Brown

0:38:57.160 --> 0:39:00.880
<v Speaker 1>with his leather jacket? I don't know Christian scientists Kgan.

0:39:01.160 --> 0:39:07.200
<v Speaker 1>Let's see, he's Church of England, all right. So everyone

0:39:07.239 --> 0:39:09.920
<v Speaker 1>comes together, they share stuff about the religion, and everyone's

0:39:09.920 --> 0:39:11.719
<v Speaker 1>patting themselves on the bag. But I know what you're

0:39:11.800 --> 0:39:14.960
<v Speaker 1>you're you're asking yourself. You're thinking ahead to the twentieth century,

0:39:14.960 --> 0:39:16.759
<v Speaker 1>you're thinking ahead to now, and you're saying, did any

0:39:16.800 --> 0:39:20.120
<v Speaker 1>of this accomplish anything? Did any good come out of it?

0:39:20.600 --> 0:39:22.880
<v Speaker 1>Or is it just kind of like those uh, you know,

0:39:22.880 --> 0:39:25.480
<v Speaker 1>those kitchens of the future that you see footage job

0:39:25.560 --> 0:39:27.520
<v Speaker 1>from the fifties and sixties where you look back and

0:39:27.520 --> 0:39:29.920
<v Speaker 1>you know you say, well, well, that's great, but we

0:39:30.040 --> 0:39:32.360
<v Speaker 1>never had flying toast. There's no one ever had a

0:39:33.080 --> 0:39:36.919
<v Speaker 1>had had a refrigerator like that. You know, they didn't

0:39:36.960 --> 0:39:40.799
<v Speaker 1>have the Internet of Things yet. But so wait, did

0:39:40.840 --> 0:39:44.040
<v Speaker 1>this have a continuing influence or not? Well it did,

0:39:44.440 --> 0:39:46.719
<v Speaker 1>but I mean part of it is that in the

0:39:47.200 --> 0:39:52.440
<v Speaker 1>in the era to follow, interfaith cooperation was not a priority.

0:39:52.640 --> 0:39:56.080
<v Speaker 1>You know. Um, you might say that there were a

0:39:56.239 --> 0:39:59.879
<v Speaker 1>number of different interfaith groups that sprang up right at

0:40:00.000 --> 0:40:03.120
<v Speaker 1>of the Parliament. Not all of them lasted, They weren't

0:40:03.160 --> 0:40:06.279
<v Speaker 1>necessarily all that focused. After the Second World War you

0:40:06.320 --> 0:40:11.920
<v Speaker 1>saw more localized focus on inter religious efforts, and eventually

0:40:11.920 --> 0:40:14.239
<v Speaker 1>you did. You did see some really major groups come

0:40:14.239 --> 0:40:17.560
<v Speaker 1>out of this, such as International Association for Religious Freedom

0:40:17.560 --> 0:40:20.200
<v Speaker 1>in nineteen hundred, the World Council of Churches in nineteen

0:40:20.280 --> 0:40:23.799
<v Speaker 1>forty eight. You also had groups that were not expressly religious,

0:40:23.960 --> 0:40:27.359
<v Speaker 1>but but did you know, we did entail some some

0:40:27.719 --> 0:40:31.160
<v Speaker 1>religious discussions, such as John D. Rockefeller the Thirds Asia

0:40:31.239 --> 0:40:36.240
<v Speaker 1>Society founded in nineteen fifty six. You also saw various

0:40:36.640 --> 0:40:40.080
<v Speaker 1>religious groups becoming more open at least to talking about

0:40:40.120 --> 0:40:44.319
<v Speaker 1>other religions, um, the Catholic Church, for instance. Following the

0:40:44.400 --> 0:40:48.120
<v Speaker 1>Second Vatican Council in the nineteen sixties. And I imagine

0:40:48.440 --> 0:40:50.239
<v Speaker 1>like anybody out there who grew up in a church,

0:40:51.040 --> 0:40:53.000
<v Speaker 1>I mean everybody's If you grew up in a church,

0:40:53.000 --> 0:40:56.080
<v Speaker 1>everybody's church upbrings a little different. But you might be

0:40:56.080 --> 0:40:59.600
<v Speaker 1>able to think back to some at least mild mid level,

0:41:00.200 --> 0:41:02.640
<v Speaker 1>you know, interfaith discussion that went on. What do you

0:41:02.640 --> 0:41:07.960
<v Speaker 1>think Mel Gibson thinks about this? Why would you go there?

0:41:08.280 --> 0:41:10.919
<v Speaker 1>We should probably ask him next time he's in the studio. Yeah,

0:41:10.920 --> 0:41:13.520
<v Speaker 1>well we'll have him on to talk about interfaith communication

0:41:13.560 --> 0:41:16.120
<v Speaker 1>to go get the Grengo. But a number of these

0:41:16.360 --> 0:41:19.200
<v Speaker 1>these groups are still around, and the World Parliament of

0:41:19.280 --> 0:41:22.839
<v Speaker 1>Religions lives on what what what? You're still having this?

0:41:23.000 --> 0:41:27.319
<v Speaker 1>They are They reconvened once more in so that's their

0:41:27.360 --> 0:41:31.440
<v Speaker 1>their centennial wow right here in Chicago, and they still

0:41:31.480 --> 0:41:34.800
<v Speaker 1>hold events every few years. Ironically enough, the most recent

0:41:34.880 --> 0:41:38.960
<v Speaker 1>US meeting took place in Salt Lake City, so they

0:41:39.000 --> 0:41:41.359
<v Speaker 1>had to invite the Mormons. Yeah, so there's some come

0:41:41.440 --> 0:41:44.200
<v Speaker 1>up in there. You know. Now we're hosting the party,

0:41:44.400 --> 0:41:46.560
<v Speaker 1>and uh, you know, you can suck it. I guess,

0:41:47.440 --> 0:41:49.560
<v Speaker 1>you know what with this kind of parliament coming together

0:41:49.680 --> 0:41:52.800
<v Speaker 1>fostering mutual understanding. It makes me think that the people

0:41:52.840 --> 0:41:55.800
<v Speaker 1>who would be most likely to attend are the people

0:41:55.840 --> 0:41:59.400
<v Speaker 1>who need it the least. You know. Yeah, like, you're

0:41:59.440 --> 0:42:01.680
<v Speaker 1>not going to get the Westboro Baptist Church to show

0:42:01.760 --> 0:42:04.400
<v Speaker 1>up at the Parliamental World Religions, or if they do that,

0:42:04.440 --> 0:42:06.719
<v Speaker 1>they're going to be just making a ruckus. Well, I

0:42:06.760 --> 0:42:09.799
<v Speaker 1>think it's it's kind of like any conference, right, you know.

0:42:09.800 --> 0:42:13.120
<v Speaker 1>The people who are super interested and motivated or even

0:42:13.160 --> 0:42:14.879
<v Speaker 1>like bound by career to it, those are the ones

0:42:14.920 --> 0:42:17.479
<v Speaker 1>that show up. But hopefully they get something, they bring

0:42:17.480 --> 0:42:19.520
<v Speaker 1>it back, they bring back the spirit of the thing,

0:42:19.880 --> 0:42:21.600
<v Speaker 1>and they share it with everyone else. I don't know,

0:42:21.840 --> 0:42:24.560
<v Speaker 1>maybe maybe everyone here plans to do the same. You're

0:42:24.560 --> 0:42:26.920
<v Speaker 1>gonna get just filled up with the spirit of your

0:42:26.920 --> 0:42:29.799
<v Speaker 1>favorite fandom. You bring it home, and you just inflicted

0:42:29.840 --> 0:42:33.680
<v Speaker 1>on everyone. That's the way. That's why they make them

0:42:33.719 --> 0:42:37.759
<v Speaker 1>peace bond those Hey. So all right, let's say I

0:42:37.760 --> 0:42:40.560
<v Speaker 1>have attended the Parliament of World Religions, right, and I

0:42:40.960 --> 0:42:43.880
<v Speaker 1>need to walk outside for a smoke break, and you

0:42:43.920 --> 0:42:46.759
<v Speaker 1>need a new God, yeah yeah, And so I go

0:42:46.800 --> 0:42:51.319
<v Speaker 1>outside and I look up and there's this huge gigantic

0:42:51.600 --> 0:42:56.400
<v Speaker 1>wheel in front of me. Do you start worshiping it?

0:42:56.480 --> 0:42:58.839
<v Speaker 1>Is this much? Exactly? Is that my new God? Yes,

0:42:58.920 --> 0:43:02.400
<v Speaker 1>of course you do, cause I want to talk about

0:43:02.440 --> 0:43:05.120
<v Speaker 1>the Colossus of Chicago as I would call it, or

0:43:05.280 --> 0:43:09.919
<v Speaker 1>Chicago's Eiffel Tower. Uh So, in eighteen ninety three, getting

0:43:09.960 --> 0:43:12.719
<v Speaker 1>ready for the fair, Chicago had what we might call

0:43:13.120 --> 0:43:18.600
<v Speaker 1>Paris envy um, and the Freudian centerpiece of Paris Envy

0:43:18.640 --> 0:43:22.319
<v Speaker 1>is Eiffel envy. So the Eiffel Tower was created by

0:43:22.320 --> 0:43:24.640
<v Speaker 1>the engineering company of Gustav Eiffel, and it was for

0:43:24.800 --> 0:43:28.000
<v Speaker 1>a previous World's fair, the Paris World's Fair in eighteen

0:43:28.040 --> 0:43:31.600
<v Speaker 1>eighty nine, and uh it was. It was ridiculed by

0:43:31.640 --> 0:43:34.239
<v Speaker 1>some people at the time, is what's this hideous, gigantic

0:43:34.280 --> 0:43:37.960
<v Speaker 1>iron monstrosity. It's not in keeping with the surrounding architecture whatever.

0:43:38.280 --> 0:43:39.840
<v Speaker 1>But a lot of other people looked at that and

0:43:39.840 --> 0:43:43.680
<v Speaker 1>they said, wow, that's really something, And a lot of

0:43:43.800 --> 0:43:46.880
<v Speaker 1>architects look at looked at it and said wow that yeah,

0:43:47.000 --> 0:43:50.600
<v Speaker 1>it's an it's a new kind of romantic modernism. It's grand,

0:43:50.680 --> 0:43:54.840
<v Speaker 1>it's inspiring, and furthermore, it ties in with the technological

0:43:54.920 --> 0:43:58.360
<v Speaker 1>change theme because it's visual evidence that France was claiming

0:43:58.400 --> 0:44:00.920
<v Speaker 1>to have edged out the United States in iron and

0:44:01.000 --> 0:44:04.479
<v Speaker 1>steel working, and the people of Chicago did not like that.

0:44:04.680 --> 0:44:09.959
<v Speaker 1>I'm assuming all these architects were men. Well, actually all

0:44:10.000 --> 0:44:13.120
<v Speaker 1>the main architects leading the fair weremen, but they did. Um,

0:44:13.160 --> 0:44:15.719
<v Speaker 1>they did have a women's building at the fair that

0:44:15.760 --> 0:44:19.280
<v Speaker 1>was designed by a female architect. Um. But it probably

0:44:19.360 --> 0:44:22.600
<v Speaker 1>wasn't very phallic like the Eiffel Tower. Yeah. I don't

0:44:22.640 --> 0:44:25.280
<v Speaker 1>know the degree in which it was phallic. Uh, alright,

0:44:25.400 --> 0:44:28.520
<v Speaker 1>we needn't measue. Yeah, we need like a scale of fellicism.

0:44:28.560 --> 0:44:31.400
<v Speaker 1>But they were trying to out Eiffel, the Eiffel Tower.

0:44:31.560 --> 0:44:34.520
<v Speaker 1>So that's literally a lot of tower designs. Yeah. So

0:44:34.640 --> 0:44:38.360
<v Speaker 1>Daniel Burnham, the tsar of the World's Fair, and his associates,

0:44:38.360 --> 0:44:40.680
<v Speaker 1>they were obsessed with this. They were obsessed with finding

0:44:40.680 --> 0:44:44.359
<v Speaker 1>an architectural centerpiece for the fair, something like a new

0:44:44.400 --> 0:44:47.399
<v Speaker 1>Eiffel tower. They wanted to literally, as you say, out

0:44:47.440 --> 0:44:51.280
<v Speaker 1>Eiffel Eiffel um. And they got a bunch of proposals

0:44:51.280 --> 0:44:53.759
<v Speaker 1>they solicited from architects all over the place, give us

0:44:53.800 --> 0:44:56.279
<v Speaker 1>ideas for what we could do. Uh. And these are

0:44:56.280 --> 0:44:59.640
<v Speaker 1>all documented in Larson's book as well. So one of

0:44:59.680 --> 0:45:02.359
<v Speaker 1>the purpo posals. Uh well, actually, first I should say

0:45:02.400 --> 0:45:05.160
<v Speaker 1>I think you can think about basically the proposals fall

0:45:05.200 --> 0:45:11.480
<v Speaker 1>into two categories. There's boring and there's insane. Eiffel himself,

0:45:11.760 --> 0:45:14.760
<v Speaker 1>the guy who designed the Eiffel Tower, offered to design

0:45:14.800 --> 0:45:17.560
<v Speaker 1>them a centerpiece, and Burnham was like, yeah, okay, let's

0:45:17.560 --> 0:45:19.920
<v Speaker 1>see what you got, and Eiffels like here, here, here,

0:45:20.040 --> 0:45:24.799
<v Speaker 1>sit down, sit down. Another Eiffel tower, a little bit

0:45:24.840 --> 0:45:29.399
<v Speaker 1>bigger than the first one. Burnham wasn't really into it.

0:45:29.719 --> 0:45:32.080
<v Speaker 1>He was like, no, I think we need something weirder,

0:45:32.200 --> 0:45:35.719
<v Speaker 1>more shocking. That's something that's fresh and new. So let's

0:45:35.760 --> 0:45:39.000
<v Speaker 1>look in the fresh and new category. One proposal they

0:45:39.000 --> 0:45:41.880
<v Speaker 1>got put forward by an inventor named JB. Mccomber, was

0:45:41.920 --> 0:45:45.120
<v Speaker 1>a tower that would be eight thousand, nine hundred and

0:45:45.200 --> 0:45:49.560
<v Speaker 1>forty seven ft tall. For reference, the tallest building in

0:45:49.560 --> 0:45:52.880
<v Speaker 1>the world today, the Birch Khalifa in Dubai is twenty

0:45:53.480 --> 0:45:59.080
<v Speaker 1>dred feet tall, So totally in this in the eight nineties,

0:45:59.239 --> 0:46:01.759
<v Speaker 1>so there might have been varying levels of taking it

0:46:01.800 --> 0:46:06.600
<v Speaker 1>seriously among the architects here. But yeah, so the top

0:46:06.680 --> 0:46:09.319
<v Speaker 1>of this tower would serve as a station for elevated

0:46:09.480 --> 0:46:13.080
<v Speaker 1>railways that would connect to major cities like New York

0:46:13.160 --> 0:46:17.960
<v Speaker 1>and Boston. Almost think about nineteenth century hyper loop where

0:46:18.040 --> 0:46:20.480
<v Speaker 1>when you're done at the fair, you take an elevator

0:46:20.640 --> 0:46:23.120
<v Speaker 1>up to the top of this nine thousand foot tower

0:46:23.760 --> 0:46:26.319
<v Speaker 1>and then you ride downhill all the way back to

0:46:26.400 --> 0:46:30.000
<v Speaker 1>Baltimore wherever you came from. But it's like a it's

0:46:30.000 --> 0:46:34.239
<v Speaker 1>like a sled. Yeah. I got another one that This

0:46:34.280 --> 0:46:36.919
<v Speaker 1>one's pretty good, uh. Proposal put forward by guy named

0:46:36.960 --> 0:46:39.640
<v Speaker 1>CF Ritchell of Connecticut. It was a tower with three

0:46:40.040 --> 0:46:42.239
<v Speaker 1>nested levels. You might think of it kind of like

0:46:42.320 --> 0:46:45.080
<v Speaker 1>a nested ziggurat, and it would have a base that's

0:46:45.080 --> 0:46:48.360
<v Speaker 1>a hundred feet tall, then a second tower nested within

0:46:48.440 --> 0:46:51.000
<v Speaker 1>the first one, and then a third tower nested within

0:46:51.040 --> 0:46:56.280
<v Speaker 1>the second, and then it would harness hydraulic power slowly

0:46:56.360 --> 0:46:59.800
<v Speaker 1>over the course of several hours, extend the tower to

0:47:00.040 --> 0:47:02.880
<v Speaker 1>full height, and then shrink it back down. Can you

0:47:02.920 --> 0:47:06.920
<v Speaker 1>picture this, by the way, So it just goes from

0:47:06.960 --> 0:47:12.160
<v Speaker 1>two messes to flacidity, exactly flacidity. You know, we just

0:47:12.239 --> 0:47:15.200
<v Speaker 1>recorded an episode for next week about H. R. Giger.

0:47:15.280 --> 0:47:17.520
<v Speaker 1>So every time I hear you talking about this, you

0:47:17.520 --> 0:47:20.680
<v Speaker 1>can only imagine it as designed by now that would

0:47:20.680 --> 0:47:23.480
<v Speaker 1>have been cool. But then you gotta add he this

0:47:23.560 --> 0:47:28.560
<v Speaker 1>is my Eiffel tower. Uh. Well, getting back to the

0:47:28.560 --> 0:47:31.600
<v Speaker 1>Freudian elements here, but yeah, they wanted to have a

0:47:31.640 --> 0:47:37.960
<v Speaker 1>restaurant by the way right at the tip um one more. Uh,

0:47:38.000 --> 0:47:40.560
<v Speaker 1>this is good. So an inventor wanted to design a

0:47:40.600 --> 0:47:43.440
<v Speaker 1>tower that would be four thousand feet tall. Remember our

0:47:43.480 --> 0:47:45.840
<v Speaker 1>Birch Khaliphs again, so this is still taller than the

0:47:45.840 --> 0:47:48.880
<v Speaker 1>tallest building in the world today. Uh. And at the

0:47:48.920 --> 0:47:51.840
<v Speaker 1>top there's a car that seats two hundred people. You

0:47:51.880 --> 0:47:54.000
<v Speaker 1>get into the car, it's like a train car. And

0:47:54.080 --> 0:47:55.799
<v Speaker 1>this car would be attached to the top of the

0:47:55.840 --> 0:48:00.040
<v Speaker 1>tower by a two thousand foot long rubber cable. And

0:48:00.120 --> 0:48:03.560
<v Speaker 1>you see where we're going with this. The design proposal

0:48:03.600 --> 0:48:09.759
<v Speaker 1>specifies best rubber good, none of that cheapo rubber for this.

0:48:10.960 --> 0:48:12.640
<v Speaker 1>And then they push you off the top of the

0:48:12.680 --> 0:48:15.160
<v Speaker 1>tower and you bungee until you come to a halt.

0:48:15.480 --> 0:48:20.640
<v Speaker 1>But but you're in a train car. Yeah, so one

0:48:20.680 --> 0:48:23.400
<v Speaker 1>would hope that the rubber is sufficiently elastic. I mean,

0:48:23.440 --> 0:48:25.799
<v Speaker 1>if it didn't stretch enough, you basically you have a

0:48:25.800 --> 0:48:28.160
<v Speaker 1>car full of soup at the yeah, right, like they

0:48:28.200 --> 0:48:30.919
<v Speaker 1>opened the doors at the bottom and everybody just spills out.

0:48:31.360 --> 0:48:34.440
<v Speaker 1>This just makes me think of various like Kaiju movies

0:48:34.520 --> 0:48:36.799
<v Speaker 1>where the monster picks up a train car and just

0:48:36.960 --> 0:48:40.400
<v Speaker 1>takes it until everybody is presumably liquefied inside. Right, just

0:48:40.480 --> 0:48:42.000
<v Speaker 1>that would just have to be the result of this

0:48:42.400 --> 0:48:45.400
<v Speaker 1>horrific design. It's a shame they didn't build it. I

0:48:45.440 --> 0:48:48.160
<v Speaker 1>don't know. Uh. Then we get to the very last

0:48:48.440 --> 0:48:51.800
<v Speaker 1>alternate proposal, my favorite one for lovers of Abraham Lincoln,

0:48:51.840 --> 0:48:55.720
<v Speaker 1>of the log cabin lore. You've got the log tower

0:48:56.760 --> 0:49:01.840
<v Speaker 1>basically Eiffel Tower rip off, except have underfeet taller, entirely

0:49:01.880 --> 0:49:06.319
<v Speaker 1>made of logs instead of iron, just logs, and at

0:49:06.360 --> 0:49:08.719
<v Speaker 1>the top there's a log cabin where you can get

0:49:08.760 --> 0:49:11.640
<v Speaker 1>some drinks and refreshment and I don't know, maybe getting

0:49:12.440 --> 0:49:16.000
<v Speaker 1>a camp fire with that. Yeah. I think we were

0:49:16.040 --> 0:49:17.759
<v Speaker 1>talking earlier how this would this could have been like

0:49:17.800 --> 0:49:22.160
<v Speaker 1>the first burning there. Yeah, exactly, gone for it. You

0:49:22.280 --> 0:49:25.040
<v Speaker 1>missed out all the people who misbehaved. The fair had

0:49:25.080 --> 0:49:26.840
<v Speaker 1>its own police force, by the way, so you should

0:49:26.840 --> 0:49:29.000
<v Speaker 1>think about that. The fair basically had a private army,

0:49:29.600 --> 0:49:31.799
<v Speaker 1>and so for all the people who misbehave at the fair,

0:49:31.840 --> 0:49:33.040
<v Speaker 1>they could just put him at the top of the

0:49:33.120 --> 0:49:35.759
<v Speaker 1>log tower and then a wicker man it up at

0:49:35.800 --> 0:49:43.560
<v Speaker 1>the end of the day. So none of these ideas

0:49:43.600 --> 0:49:47.120
<v Speaker 1>are really getting it now. They're sort of we might

0:49:47.160 --> 0:49:50.320
<v Speaker 1>call it junk um. So Daniel Burnham is not happy.

0:49:50.680 --> 0:49:53.000
<v Speaker 1>The Chicago Fair needs a colossus. You know, it's something

0:49:53.040 --> 0:49:55.399
<v Speaker 1>that's got to be this distinctive physical feature that's gonna

0:49:55.440 --> 0:49:59.400
<v Speaker 1>inspire wonder, not hilarity or terror um. And he was

0:49:59.480 --> 0:50:03.840
<v Speaker 1>bored with towers. So enter a young engineer from Pittsburgh

0:50:03.880 --> 0:50:07.480
<v Speaker 1>who's the proprietor of a steel inspecting company, and he'd

0:50:07.520 --> 0:50:09.960
<v Speaker 1>been sitting in on a meeting of engineers that Burnham

0:50:10.120 --> 0:50:12.040
<v Speaker 1>was heading up. Burnham standing at the top of the

0:50:12.160 --> 0:50:14.719
<v Speaker 1>room yelling at everybody, you idiots, why you can't why

0:50:14.760 --> 0:50:18.239
<v Speaker 1>can't you come up with something good? And farett. This

0:50:18.360 --> 0:50:22.040
<v Speaker 1>guy his name is George Ferris, and he's sitting in

0:50:22.120 --> 0:50:24.320
<v Speaker 1>the room and he's thinking, you know, we are idiots,

0:50:25.080 --> 0:50:28.800
<v Speaker 1>but I've got an idea, and this is how we

0:50:28.880 --> 0:50:34.120
<v Speaker 1>got the world's first Ferris wheel. So essentially he was like, well,

0:50:34.200 --> 0:50:36.400
<v Speaker 1>let's let's do an Eiffel tower, but let's make an

0:50:36.400 --> 0:50:40.000
<v Speaker 1>Eiffel tower that didn't move. It's a live right, perfect. Yes,

0:50:40.120 --> 0:50:42.920
<v Speaker 1>it's like a walking Eiffel Tower. They're like, you build

0:50:42.960 --> 0:50:46.120
<v Speaker 1>a giant iron tower. I'll make one that rolls around

0:50:46.160 --> 0:50:48.560
<v Speaker 1>the place. You can get in. It's take up their

0:50:48.600 --> 0:50:54.879
<v Speaker 1>statue of liberty and Ghostbusters too. Man. Uh. I don't

0:50:54.880 --> 0:50:57.160
<v Speaker 1>know what music played at the first Ferris Wheel. I'd

0:50:57.200 --> 0:50:59.240
<v Speaker 1>love to know if it was like that that happy

0:50:59.320 --> 0:51:03.640
<v Speaker 1>beat that makes statue dance. Yeah. Um so so Ferris

0:51:03.680 --> 0:51:05.440
<v Speaker 1>Wheels kind of mundane to us. Right, you get in,

0:51:05.640 --> 0:51:07.560
<v Speaker 1>you go up to the top, you spit on your friends.

0:51:07.760 --> 0:51:10.600
<v Speaker 1>Um but you have to you have to put yourself

0:51:10.960 --> 0:51:14.920
<v Speaker 1>in the mindset of an eight nine three farmer showing

0:51:15.040 --> 0:51:19.360
<v Speaker 1>up to the fair and seeing this giant revolving wheel.

0:51:19.360 --> 0:51:22.279
<v Speaker 1>I mean, this thing is huge, probably bigger than the

0:51:22.360 --> 0:51:25.200
<v Speaker 1>standard wheels you would have gotten in today. Ferris Wheels,

0:51:25.920 --> 0:51:27.600
<v Speaker 1>I have to think of it as something like a

0:51:27.800 --> 0:51:30.560
<v Speaker 1>steam punk creation. It's like something you'd see in one

0:51:30.600 --> 0:51:35.440
<v Speaker 1>of the BioShock games. You like, libertarian monsters on it

0:51:35.600 --> 0:51:40.200
<v Speaker 1>that are injecting themselves with with Well there may have been, okay,

0:51:40.280 --> 0:51:44.640
<v Speaker 1>so here's how to picture it. Instead. It didn't have benches.

0:51:44.719 --> 0:51:46.280
<v Speaker 1>You know you've been on the ones that have benches.

0:51:46.400 --> 0:51:48.719
<v Speaker 1>That's like a two person bench you go up around. No, no, no,

0:51:48.880 --> 0:51:52.440
<v Speaker 1>that that's that's small junk. Okay, this, Uh, you have

0:51:52.560 --> 0:51:56.240
<v Speaker 1>to imagine this giant spind lee steel wheel carrying thirty

0:51:56.280 --> 0:52:01.359
<v Speaker 1>six individual train cars two and sixty four ft up

0:52:01.440 --> 0:52:04.040
<v Speaker 1>into the sky and back. And it's usually reported that

0:52:04.280 --> 0:52:06.920
<v Speaker 1>each of the thirty six cars held forty passengers. But

0:52:07.000 --> 0:52:10.000
<v Speaker 1>actually that's I read this book by Stanley apple Bomb.

0:52:10.040 --> 0:52:12.520
<v Speaker 1>The forty passenger load is just for who could sit

0:52:12.600 --> 0:52:15.520
<v Speaker 1>in the plush chairs. Uh, that it could hold sixty

0:52:15.560 --> 0:52:18.840
<v Speaker 1>passengers in each car overall. So that's a capacity of

0:52:19.280 --> 0:52:23.200
<v Speaker 1>two thousand, one hundred and sixty passengers on this Ferris wheel,

0:52:23.400 --> 0:52:25.920
<v Speaker 1>which is more than the number of passengers who died

0:52:25.960 --> 0:52:29.040
<v Speaker 1>in the sinking of the Titanic and getting close to

0:52:29.120 --> 0:52:33.040
<v Speaker 1>the full capacity of the Titanic. So this is this

0:52:33.200 --> 0:52:38.879
<v Speaker 1>is a rolling Spindlee Titanic wheel spider at the fair.

0:52:40.080 --> 0:52:42.440
<v Speaker 1>The axle shaft a loan is forty five ft long

0:52:42.480 --> 0:52:44.760
<v Speaker 1>with forty six tons. At the time, it was believed

0:52:44.800 --> 0:52:46.840
<v Speaker 1>to be the biggest piece of steel ever forged in

0:52:46.920 --> 0:52:51.080
<v Speaker 1>America up to that time. Um and so the Ferris

0:52:51.120 --> 0:52:53.919
<v Speaker 1>wheel wasn't finished until about six weeks after the fair open,

0:52:54.000 --> 0:52:56.560
<v Speaker 1>but it ended up being arguably one of the most

0:52:56.640 --> 0:53:00.000
<v Speaker 1>successful aspects of the World's Fair, probably the most success

0:53:00.120 --> 0:53:04.520
<v Speaker 1>full aspect if you don't count Buffalo Bill's Wild West Show,

0:53:04.960 --> 0:53:07.560
<v Speaker 1>which I think is worth a mention. Buffalo Bill. You know,

0:53:07.600 --> 0:53:10.080
<v Speaker 1>Buffalo Bill Cody. He wanted to run his Wild West

0:53:10.120 --> 0:53:13.239
<v Speaker 1>show inside the fair. Uh. They wouldn't give him a pass,

0:53:13.320 --> 0:53:17.800
<v Speaker 1>citing incongruity, which to me reads as tackiness. Um. But

0:53:17.960 --> 0:53:19.520
<v Speaker 1>so he was like, okay, he won't let me in

0:53:19.560 --> 0:53:22.200
<v Speaker 1>the fair. Well, he bought a parcel of land right

0:53:22.280 --> 0:53:25.560
<v Speaker 1>outside the gate of the fair and caught people on

0:53:25.680 --> 0:53:27.120
<v Speaker 1>the way in. A lot of people went to the

0:53:27.160 --> 0:53:30.320
<v Speaker 1>wild West Show thinking it was the fair. Uh, and

0:53:30.480 --> 0:53:33.160
<v Speaker 1>he made a killing or like where's the wheel? Yeah,

0:53:35.000 --> 0:53:39.680
<v Speaker 1>it's this lasso so uh yeah, this this World's Fair

0:53:39.719 --> 0:53:43.520
<v Speaker 1>has a lot of shooting. I didn't expect so much

0:53:43.560 --> 0:53:48.000
<v Speaker 1>more exciting. It's like a fast and furious movie. But yeah.

0:53:48.040 --> 0:53:51.200
<v Speaker 1>So the Ferris Wheel opens June one, more than a

0:53:51.280 --> 0:53:53.960
<v Speaker 1>month and a half after the fair began, and it

0:53:54.080 --> 0:53:56.720
<v Speaker 1>was generally considered safe. The authority said it was safe,

0:53:56.760 --> 0:53:59.560
<v Speaker 1>the steel inspectors said it was fate safe. But people

0:53:59.719 --> 0:54:03.120
<v Speaker 1>look dot it and thought that doesn't look right. It

0:54:03.719 --> 0:54:07.560
<v Speaker 1>looks too frail. There's a nice mismatch between how physics

0:54:07.640 --> 0:54:10.200
<v Speaker 1>really works and our intuitive grasp of it of it

0:54:10.280 --> 0:54:12.439
<v Speaker 1>because you you looked at it, and people just thought

0:54:12.480 --> 0:54:15.800
<v Speaker 1>that thing looks like it's gonna collapse. And a wonderful

0:54:15.840 --> 0:54:17.879
<v Speaker 1>story to go along with this. When they first ran

0:54:17.960 --> 0:54:20.560
<v Speaker 1>it for for a test run for the press, people

0:54:20.680 --> 0:54:24.000
<v Speaker 1>got into these cars and they the wheel starts to

0:54:24.080 --> 0:54:26.279
<v Speaker 1>move for the first time. The engines are turning it

0:54:26.719 --> 0:54:29.400
<v Speaker 1>and they start going up to the top and people

0:54:29.560 --> 0:54:34.799
<v Speaker 1>start hearing hail on the roof of their car going

0:54:34.880 --> 0:54:36.360
<v Speaker 1>to the top of the ferris wheel, like, what is

0:54:36.360 --> 0:54:39.880
<v Speaker 1>it hailing outside? Now it was nuts and bolts raining

0:54:40.000 --> 0:54:43.400
<v Speaker 1>down on the roof of the ferris wheel car. Because

0:54:43.880 --> 0:54:47.399
<v Speaker 1>this ties into I think the way I always feel

0:54:47.440 --> 0:54:49.240
<v Speaker 1>when I get on a on a ferris wheel. Instead

0:54:49.239 --> 0:54:51.480
<v Speaker 1>I am I'm not concerned. Yeah I'm a little terrified,

0:54:51.480 --> 0:54:54.239
<v Speaker 1>but it's not because of this like epic construction. It's

0:54:54.280 --> 0:54:56.640
<v Speaker 1>about the people that they put it together, like trying

0:54:56.680 --> 0:55:01.160
<v Speaker 1>to imagine like did they sleazy car? Yeah, it's kind

0:55:01.160 --> 0:55:04.640
<v Speaker 1>of like the instructions aside, the island wrench doesn't fit

0:55:04.760 --> 0:55:07.480
<v Speaker 1>whatever I'm just getting in with my finger and then

0:55:07.680 --> 0:55:09.640
<v Speaker 1>and then it's just gonna fall apart when I'm up there.

0:55:10.400 --> 0:55:13.080
<v Speaker 1>So the question is would the wheel hold up? And

0:55:13.320 --> 0:55:15.719
<v Speaker 1>we actually got a pretty strong test of that. On

0:55:16.080 --> 0:55:19.239
<v Speaker 1>Sunday July nine, the Ferris wheels having a huge day.

0:55:19.280 --> 0:55:21.160
<v Speaker 1>People were climbing in. By the way, I read this

0:55:21.239 --> 0:55:24.560
<v Speaker 1>one great account from a guy named Rice, Luther Rice

0:55:24.600 --> 0:55:27.600
<v Speaker 1>who sent a telegram when they first opened the fair saying,

0:55:27.719 --> 0:55:30.680
<v Speaker 1>we need extra guards to keep people from like mobbing

0:55:30.800 --> 0:55:33.239
<v Speaker 1>into this thing. Can you imagine that? So it's like,

0:55:33.360 --> 0:55:35.360
<v Speaker 1>I have a new invention that will carry you hundreds

0:55:35.400 --> 0:55:37.759
<v Speaker 1>of feet into the sky, and you're like mobbing to

0:55:37.840 --> 0:55:40.239
<v Speaker 1>get inside when people are telling you not to. I

0:55:40.280 --> 0:55:44.319
<v Speaker 1>don't know, but yeah. So, so you've got all these people,

0:55:44.400 --> 0:55:47.319
<v Speaker 1>more than a thousand passengers in this walking Eiffel Tower

0:55:47.440 --> 0:55:51.080
<v Speaker 1>or this rolling Titanic, And sometime in the afternoon of

0:55:51.400 --> 0:55:55.200
<v Speaker 1>Sunday July nine, you start to feel the pressure dropping,

0:55:56.600 --> 0:56:00.640
<v Speaker 1>and the sky turns a little dark, and the clouds

0:56:00.800 --> 0:56:03.960
<v Speaker 1>roll in and then you spot it, a funnel cloud

0:56:04.400 --> 0:56:07.080
<v Speaker 1>coming straight at you, and you are in the Ferris

0:56:07.160 --> 0:56:12.040
<v Speaker 1>wheel at the top. Okay, it moves pretty slow. We

0:56:12.080 --> 0:56:14.839
<v Speaker 1>should mention. So if you're at the top, you're it's

0:56:14.880 --> 0:56:16.880
<v Speaker 1>gonna be a while before you can get out, and

0:56:16.920 --> 0:56:20.000
<v Speaker 1>the wheels continuing to turn. And there's another fact that

0:56:20.040 --> 0:56:21.960
<v Speaker 1>you told me. They put mesh over the windows so

0:56:22.040 --> 0:56:24.520
<v Speaker 1>people wouldn't jump out, right. Yeah, they were afraid people

0:56:24.560 --> 0:56:26.720
<v Speaker 1>would be like panicking and trying to jump out the windows,

0:56:26.760 --> 0:56:28.600
<v Speaker 1>which ties into something I'll get to in just a second.

0:56:29.080 --> 0:56:31.200
<v Speaker 1>So they had to like have this great over all

0:56:31.280 --> 0:56:35.080
<v Speaker 1>the windows to be like no suicides. Now. Um, so

0:56:35.320 --> 0:56:37.759
<v Speaker 1>there's a funnel cloud heading for the ferris wheel and

0:56:37.840 --> 0:56:40.200
<v Speaker 1>people are in it. Uh. There There was actually an

0:56:40.239 --> 0:56:42.719
<v Speaker 1>engineer who was aboard the ferris wheel who wrote to

0:56:42.880 --> 0:56:46.080
<v Speaker 1>the journal Engineering News who said that, you know, people

0:56:46.160 --> 0:56:48.520
<v Speaker 1>started to panic and it took two people to brace

0:56:48.640 --> 0:56:52.120
<v Speaker 1>the doors shut as the winds picked up. But then ultimately,

0:56:52.520 --> 0:56:56.200
<v Speaker 1>uh uh, this engineer riding in let's see, I'm trying

0:56:56.239 --> 0:56:59.320
<v Speaker 1>to find this well anyway, said that all the people

0:56:59.680 --> 0:57:02.480
<v Speaker 1>felt in the end was a small vibration and it

0:57:02.600 --> 0:57:04.879
<v Speaker 1>blew the wheel maybe an in chine and a half

0:57:04.960 --> 0:57:08.239
<v Speaker 1>to the side. So but they did get treated to

0:57:08.320 --> 0:57:11.120
<v Speaker 1>the image of a nearby hydrogen balloon floating out over

0:57:11.239 --> 0:57:15.120
<v Speaker 1>the lake, which was completely obliterated by the storm. Uh,

0:57:15.200 --> 0:57:17.200
<v Speaker 1>and so this should be this should be a testament

0:57:17.240 --> 0:57:20.920
<v Speaker 1>to what an amazing feat of steampunk engineering this wheel was.

0:57:21.120 --> 0:57:25.240
<v Speaker 1>It totally defied common sense and yet it withstood this

0:57:25.320 --> 0:57:29.840
<v Speaker 1>powerful storm. Yeah, that's one last story on this. There

0:57:30.120 --> 0:57:32.480
<v Speaker 1>was a great story about a time when a man

0:57:32.840 --> 0:57:35.080
<v Speaker 1>got in the ferris wheel. They were taking him up

0:57:35.080 --> 0:57:36.800
<v Speaker 1>to the top and he starts panicking. He's like, I

0:57:36.920 --> 0:57:39.120
<v Speaker 1>gotta get out. I don't know if the logic works

0:57:39.160 --> 0:57:41.120
<v Speaker 1>on that, because you're getting to the top, you're panicking.

0:57:41.160 --> 0:57:44.960
<v Speaker 1>You're like, getting out doesn't really help you. Um, but

0:57:45.280 --> 0:57:50.200
<v Speaker 1>you know, he was panicking, he wasn't wasn't being rational.

0:57:50.320 --> 0:57:51.840
<v Speaker 1>So he's like, I gotta get out, and he's trying

0:57:51.880 --> 0:57:54.240
<v Speaker 1>to open the doors and jump out, and nobody could.

0:57:54.320 --> 0:57:56.440
<v Speaker 1>People were trying to restrain him, they couldn't stop him.

0:57:56.680 --> 0:57:59.240
<v Speaker 1>And it finally was one passenger on the car with

0:57:59.360 --> 0:58:01.840
<v Speaker 1>him who was resourceful enough to figure out how to

0:58:01.880 --> 0:58:04.320
<v Speaker 1>stop him. It was a woman who removed her skirt

0:58:04.560 --> 0:58:07.160
<v Speaker 1>and threw it over his head and hooded him like

0:58:07.280 --> 0:58:10.120
<v Speaker 1>a horse, you know, like when you put blinders on

0:58:10.160 --> 0:58:13.360
<v Speaker 1>a horse, and that calmed him down. He couldn't see anymore,

0:58:13.440 --> 0:58:15.200
<v Speaker 1>and he made it back down to the bottom. Okay,

0:58:15.760 --> 0:58:19.080
<v Speaker 1>but but the fairs will worked, never collapsed, never turned over,

0:58:19.160 --> 0:58:20.320
<v Speaker 1>and made it to the end of the fair and

0:58:20.360 --> 0:58:22.440
<v Speaker 1>it was a big success. So that's one way to

0:58:22.600 --> 0:58:26.320
<v Speaker 1>calm a madman at the fair. But but now Christian's

0:58:26.360 --> 0:58:32.240
<v Speaker 1>gonna talk about another madman that was that was in play. Unfortunately,

0:58:32.280 --> 0:58:34.160
<v Speaker 1>as far as I know, no one threw a skirt

0:58:34.240 --> 0:58:38.320
<v Speaker 1>over this guy's head. I imagine many of you are

0:58:38.360 --> 0:58:43.919
<v Speaker 1>familiar with H. H. Holmes, the first American serial killer,

0:58:44.560 --> 0:58:46.520
<v Speaker 1>or at least recorded, as Robert likes to say, is

0:58:46.520 --> 0:58:49.040
<v Speaker 1>the first one that got caught. Yeah, I'm glad we

0:58:49.080 --> 0:58:52.960
<v Speaker 1>have some murder fans and the audience. So also disclaimer

0:58:53.000 --> 0:58:55.000
<v Speaker 1>if there's any children here, this is about to get

0:58:55.000 --> 0:58:59.520
<v Speaker 1>a little graphic. Uh So I asked you earlier, how

0:58:59.560 --> 0:59:01.720
<v Speaker 1>many of you from out of town. I imagine you're

0:59:01.720 --> 0:59:04.360
<v Speaker 1>staying in hotels, right. What if you went back to

0:59:04.440 --> 0:59:08.160
<v Speaker 1>your hotel room tonight and the door locks behind you

0:59:09.400 --> 0:59:12.240
<v Speaker 1>and you go to sleep, and the room fills with

0:59:12.360 --> 0:59:15.000
<v Speaker 1>gas while you're a sleeping asphyxiates you to death, and

0:59:15.080 --> 0:59:17.720
<v Speaker 1>then the home the hotel owner comes in, he takes

0:59:17.720 --> 0:59:20.360
<v Speaker 1>your body, he drops it down a shoot into the

0:59:20.400 --> 0:59:22.640
<v Speaker 1>basement and dumps it into a Vada acid. Then he

0:59:22.720 --> 0:59:26.000
<v Speaker 1>sells your skeleton to a local medical school. That's what

0:59:26.200 --> 0:59:29.520
<v Speaker 1>was going on with H. H. Holmes purportedly. Now wait, Christian,

0:59:29.560 --> 0:59:32.080
<v Speaker 1>did you ask what if that happened? Like, what would

0:59:32.240 --> 0:59:40.720
<v Speaker 1>what would do? What? I've been thinking about it in

0:59:40.800 --> 0:59:44.080
<v Speaker 1>our hotel. Our hotel is a little creepy. Um, it's

0:59:44.120 --> 0:59:48.880
<v Speaker 1>got these We'll tell you guys just afterwards. Yeah. Uh,

0:59:49.280 --> 0:59:52.040
<v Speaker 1>but so this is gonna be a brief look into

0:59:52.200 --> 0:59:57.000
<v Speaker 1>the science behind H. H. Holmes Murder Castle. Uh. At

0:59:57.080 --> 1:00:00.160
<v Speaker 1>least six people were killed there, maybe more. Dirt ring

1:00:00.200 --> 1:00:03.160
<v Speaker 1>the World Fair The Devil in the White City is

1:00:03.200 --> 1:00:05.600
<v Speaker 1>going to be a big source for us here. But actually,

1:00:05.680 --> 1:00:09.880
<v Speaker 1>there is this fantastic e book that Mysterious Chicago put

1:00:09.960 --> 1:00:12.280
<v Speaker 1>out that is called The Murder Castle of H. H. Holmes,

1:00:12.360 --> 1:00:16.240
<v Speaker 1>The Expanded Edition by Adam Seltzer, and it was incredibly

1:00:16.280 --> 1:00:19.080
<v Speaker 1>helpful because he pulled together all these primary resources from

1:00:19.120 --> 1:00:22.480
<v Speaker 1>the time about what was actually going on. Uh. So

1:00:22.960 --> 1:00:25.040
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna do a brief intro on H. A. Holmes

1:00:25.120 --> 1:00:27.200
<v Speaker 1>for those of you who aren't familiar. But really we're

1:00:27.200 --> 1:00:29.240
<v Speaker 1>not gonna have the time to go into all of

1:00:29.400 --> 1:00:32.800
<v Speaker 1>his exploits, but mainly we're gonna talk about how he

1:00:32.880 --> 1:00:36.560
<v Speaker 1>designed this murder castle from the ground up, specifically to

1:00:36.720 --> 1:00:40.720
<v Speaker 1>dispose of victims with science. In fact, one of the

1:00:41.280 --> 1:00:45.560
<v Speaker 1>investigators involved in this case referred to Homes as a

1:00:45.800 --> 1:00:49.120
<v Speaker 1>scientific criminal, and he said he would never think of

1:00:49.240 --> 1:00:52.480
<v Speaker 1>engaging in a burglary or shooting a person in cold blood.

1:00:52.600 --> 1:00:55.480
<v Speaker 1>So there's that, you know. I think that's interesting to

1:00:55.800 --> 1:00:58.000
<v Speaker 1>think about this being the age of a scientific criminal

1:00:58.080 --> 1:01:00.960
<v Speaker 1>because right right around the same times when we got

1:01:01.040 --> 1:01:03.360
<v Speaker 1>the Jack the Ripper killings. Yeah, and in fact, a

1:01:03.440 --> 1:01:07.080
<v Speaker 1>lot of people were speculating that they were the same person.

1:01:07.360 --> 1:01:09.640
<v Speaker 1>And this might be for the scientific aspects. I mean,

1:01:09.720 --> 1:01:12.960
<v Speaker 1>Holmes himself was a physician. He was He was a doctor,

1:01:13.240 --> 1:01:17.120
<v Speaker 1>had a degree in surgery, and he operated as a pharmacist.

1:01:17.800 --> 1:01:21.880
<v Speaker 1>Uh So his actual name was Herman Webster Mudget, so

1:01:22.200 --> 1:01:24.080
<v Speaker 1>you can see why he changed it to H. H.

1:01:24.160 --> 1:01:26.880
<v Speaker 1>Holmes Henry Howard. Uh. Like I said, he was trained

1:01:26.880 --> 1:01:29.360
<v Speaker 1>as a surgeon. He changed his name when he moved

1:01:29.400 --> 1:01:33.800
<v Speaker 1>to Chicago, and he operated as a totally legitimate pharmacist

1:01:33.880 --> 1:01:37.200
<v Speaker 1>here in town. Uh Now, the question is usually how

1:01:37.240 --> 1:01:39.600
<v Speaker 1>many people did this guy kill? This is all during

1:01:39.760 --> 1:01:44.760
<v Speaker 1>the World's Fair. Supposedly he killed visitors who rented rooms

1:01:44.880 --> 1:01:48.400
<v Speaker 1>in this hotel of his, and they were especially plentiful

1:01:48.560 --> 1:01:52.960
<v Speaker 1>as people were coming into town. They're like varied numbers.

1:01:53.000 --> 1:01:55.520
<v Speaker 1>Some people say it's up to two hundred people, but

1:01:55.720 --> 1:01:58.240
<v Speaker 1>that estimate doesn't really seem to have any hard evidence

1:01:58.280 --> 1:02:00.920
<v Speaker 1>to back it up. More likely either tall tales that

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<v Speaker 1>are just springing out of something that's already a grizzly situation.

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<v Speaker 1>He admitted, however, to killing twenty seven people, but the

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<v Speaker 1>confession is totally dubious because some of the people he

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<v Speaker 1>admitted to killing killing came forward and we're like, I'm alive.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know what he's talking about. Yeah, yeah, sorry,

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<v Speaker 1>I confuse you with that other person killed that other

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<v Speaker 1>person I killed. But then on the on the gallows

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<v Speaker 1>right before they hung him, he said, no, I only

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<v Speaker 1>killed two people. So it's all over the place, what

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<v Speaker 1>we but we know he killed more than two. Yeah, definitely,

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<v Speaker 1>at least in the Murder Castle, five to six people

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<v Speaker 1>were killed, if not more. Uh. And he was eventually

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<v Speaker 1>arrested in Boston for his crimes. He killed his accomplice

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<v Speaker 1>and three of his children. It was this part of

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<v Speaker 1>this insurance scam that went wrong. He was hung in

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<v Speaker 1>six This is something. Uh. He asked to have his

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<v Speaker 1>body buried in ten ft deep of concrete so nobody

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<v Speaker 1>could get ahold of his body and put it on

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<v Speaker 1>a dissection table. So yeah, he was real charmer. So

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<v Speaker 1>you mentioned his insurance scam. I think we got to

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<v Speaker 1>mention this because this is one of the most fun

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<v Speaker 1>things about Holmes, if anything is fun. Holmes was doing

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<v Speaker 1>these insurance scams his whole life. What would you do

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<v Speaker 1>if somebody came up to you and said, Hey, I've

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<v Speaker 1>got a great idea. I'm going to take out an

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<v Speaker 1>insurance policy, a life insurance policy on you with me

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<v Speaker 1>is the beneficiary. I'll give you a little bit of money. Hey,

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<v Speaker 1>And for a lot of the people who met Holmes

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<v Speaker 1>were like, yes, okay, we'll do that. So this Murder Castle,

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<v Speaker 1>it's in there. It was in Englewood, Illinois, just southeast Chicago,

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<v Speaker 1>on the corner of Wallace and sixty third Street. Apparently

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<v Speaker 1>the construction of the building was finished in eighteen ninety.

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<v Speaker 1>The blueprint plans for this building included fifty one doorways

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<v Speaker 1>that just opened up into brick walls and a hundred

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<v Speaker 1>windowless rooms. So some people go, how do you build

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<v Speaker 1>a how do you build something like that? Christian? I

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<v Speaker 1>want to build him herder castle like a pyramid. Right. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>during construction, he made sure that no workmen stayed on

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<v Speaker 1>the job for more than a week. And the way

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<v Speaker 1>he did this was he would just claim all their

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<v Speaker 1>work was second rate and he refused to pay them.

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<v Speaker 1>They walk off the job, they'd hire somebody else. So

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<v Speaker 1>he was the only one who knew the exact layout

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<v Speaker 1>of this building. It was three stories tall, it was

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<v Speaker 1>one block long. He referred to it as the World's

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<v Speaker 1>Fair Hotel. The idea was the World's Fair was going

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<v Speaker 1>to be coming to town. He would use it not,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, not publicly, to murder people. People would rent

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<v Speaker 1>rent rooms there. It was kind of like an airbnb. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>it wasn't really a hotel in the modern sense either.

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<v Speaker 1>There wasn't like a front desk or anything like that.

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<v Speaker 1>It was mainly like long term rentals. Um. So here's

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<v Speaker 1>some features of this building. It had trap doors, secret compartments,

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<v Speaker 1>and hidden stairways. The halls were designed like mazes. Some

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<v Speaker 1>of the stairs led to nowhere, which is what our

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<v Speaker 1>hotel that we're staying and has in common. Uh. The

1:04:59.360 --> 1:05:02.800
<v Speaker 1>upper floor rooms were soundproofed and airtight, and they were

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<v Speaker 1>sealed in line with s best us and they were

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<v Speaker 1>hooked up to these gas lines so he could pump

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<v Speaker 1>in gas and either asphyxiate people or some people speculate

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<v Speaker 1>that he burned people of death and they're like he

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<v Speaker 1>would roast them. The evidence on that's a little weird.

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<v Speaker 1>But there were like gas valves on the other sides

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<v Speaker 1>of these walls. It's like a late seventies Dungeons and

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<v Speaker 1>Dragons module. Yeah, yeah, yeah. If only he could just

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<v Speaker 1>played Dungeons and Dragons, I think we could have saved

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<v Speaker 1>a lot. All. You could also look at it as

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<v Speaker 1>like a Winchester mystery house that kills you very much. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>So there were seveny one guest bedrooms. He had some

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<v Speaker 1>of them rigged up so they had alarms so he

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<v Speaker 1>would know if the occupant was trying to escape. Um

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<v Speaker 1>and some of the some of the reporters who investigated

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<v Speaker 1>this case, they like gave the rooms these fancy names.

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<v Speaker 1>These weren't like Holmes names for them. The Black Closet,

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<v Speaker 1>the Room of the three corpses, and the hanging secret chamber.

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<v Speaker 1>That's the room I'm staying. Um. But they were all

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<v Speaker 1>just made up, you know. They weren't even by people

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<v Speaker 1>who worked in Chicago. This is like newspapers in New York.

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<v Speaker 1>They would get ahold of diagrams and they'd go, oh cool,

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<v Speaker 1>we gotta come up with fun names for these when

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<v Speaker 1>And that's something to keep in mind through all of it, right,

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<v Speaker 1>because it's not just what happened, but it's what people

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<v Speaker 1>are layering over what happened exactly. Yeah. So his bathroom,

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<v Speaker 1>his personal bathroom, had a trap door in it that

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<v Speaker 1>led to a hidden stairwell down to a windowless cubicle

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<v Speaker 1>between the floors, and then from here there was a

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<v Speaker 1>shoot that dropped to the cellar. And it wasn't just

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<v Speaker 1>like a fun slide, it was you know, for purposes.

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<v Speaker 1>And he also had an exit so he could basically

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<v Speaker 1>like get away if something was going on. Just right

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<v Speaker 1>out into the street. Next to his office, there was

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<v Speaker 1>a vault, and when they investigated the vault, the impression

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<v Speaker 1>of a wounded woman's footprint was found on the inside

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<v Speaker 1>of the door, and it was described as being big

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<v Speaker 1>enough only for a person to stand in. So how

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<v Speaker 1>does he get rid of all these bodies? Well, this

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<v Speaker 1>is where the basement comes in. That shoot dimension goes

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<v Speaker 1>straight down to the basement. And here's some fun thing

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<v Speaker 1>that we're supposedly in the basement. Uh, that's of acid

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<v Speaker 1>quicklime pits. And there was a furnace in his office

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<v Speaker 1>on the upper floors. Uh. Most people have furnaces in

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<v Speaker 1>their office. Uh. And in the basement there was also

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<v Speaker 1>supposedly a dissecting table, his surgeon tools. It was also

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<v Speaker 1>rumored that there were these like apparatus is that looked

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<v Speaker 1>like medieval torture devices everywhere, but their purpose was never explained.

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<v Speaker 1>A lot of this is really alleged, especially like when

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<v Speaker 1>you read that Seltzer book, because the police at the

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<v Speaker 1>time that we're investigating in the journalists who are reporting

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<v Speaker 1>on it were really like kind of hysterical about the

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<v Speaker 1>whole thing, and it took on some hyperbolee. Yeah, we

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<v Speaker 1>gotta sell some newspapers, folks. So what's the best way

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<v Speaker 1>to get rid of body? How do you guys get

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<v Speaker 1>rid of bodies? Oh? Quicklime? Quicklime is one way, but

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<v Speaker 1>in a lot of people, you know, if you've read

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<v Speaker 1>Detective stories. You're like, oh, yeah, I've heard of alligator

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<v Speaker 1>lime MESSI alligators in the murder basement, pitt crabs. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>those would be great too. I just don't think he

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<v Speaker 1>had those as options. But there were supposedly these quicklime pits.

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<v Speaker 1>Now what's quicklime? We hear that and we go, oh, yeah, sure,

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<v Speaker 1>that's the way to get rid of a body. Quicklimes

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<v Speaker 1>this chemical compound known as calcium oxide. It's made through

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<v Speaker 1>the thermal decomposition of limestone. Uh and it basically it's

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<v Speaker 1>anything that contains calcium carbonate. If you heat it up

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<v Speaker 1>to a high temperature, it reacts uh and uh. It

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<v Speaker 1>reacts a CEO two specifically, so it can create heat, energy,

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<v Speaker 1>and light. They used to actually use it for fireworks.

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<v Speaker 1>That's what lime light is. Uh. So in twenties, well,

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<v Speaker 1>this fun group of researchers got together and they said,

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<v Speaker 1>let's see how well quicklime gets rid of a body.

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<v Speaker 1>And they took six dead pigs and they buried them

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<v Speaker 1>in pits of quicklime with this in Chicago, No, it

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<v Speaker 1>was in Europe actually, uh. And they they found that

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<v Speaker 1>when they recovered these pig bodies six months later, instead

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<v Speaker 1>of disposing of the bodies. The quicklime actually del laid

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<v Speaker 1>the decay of the carcasses, so it's better not to

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<v Speaker 1>dispose of a body or destroy it. But it it

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<v Speaker 1>was really used to keep putrification at bay so that

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<v Speaker 1>animals wouldn't be attracted to bodies. And it was historically

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<v Speaker 1>used in plague burials. So maybe it wasn't quicklime he

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<v Speaker 1>had in his basement, maybe it was live ah. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>in the past, Robert and I did an episode about

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<v Speaker 1>Hollywood acid dissolving people, and one of the things we

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<v Speaker 1>came to in that episode was about how you know,

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<v Speaker 1>if you if you want to dissolve a body, it

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<v Speaker 1>might be better to use a strong base rather than

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<v Speaker 1>a strong acid. Yeah, Lie's sodium hydroxide, and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>purportedly drug cartel assassins use it to dispose of bodies

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<v Speaker 1>in several outer hours. UM in Chicago actually is the

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<v Speaker 1>first instance of somebody being recorded as using it to

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<v Speaker 1>dispose of a body. A guy by the name of

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<v Speaker 1>Adolph Lutgert dumped his wife into a boiling vat of

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<v Speaker 1>lie in. Then they burned what was left, but the

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<v Speaker 1>police found the bone fragments. Uh. And a key component

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<v Speaker 1>here seems to be water, So you have to add

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<v Speaker 1>water to LIE to make it really work pretty well.

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<v Speaker 1>So maybe homes had these pits. He put LIE in them.

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<v Speaker 1>Lies really easy to get ahold of, and he filled

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<v Speaker 1>them up with water. We don't know. Uh. Then there's

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<v Speaker 1>supposedly this acid, right, how does that work? Well? A

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<v Speaker 1>lot of you are probably thinking about breaking bad right now. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>we don't know what kind of acid he had, but

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<v Speaker 1>typically acid dissolves a body more completely than LIE, but

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<v Speaker 1>it takes way longer. And the fumes are also supposed

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<v Speaker 1>to be intolerable. They're really toxic. Uh. So it's easier

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<v Speaker 1>to get LIE. It's safer to use LIE. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>it's not safe. It's like you think of fight club

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<v Speaker 1>when they're like putting the stuff on their hands and

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<v Speaker 1>burning their hands. That's basically LIE. But acids are also

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<v Speaker 1>monitored for bomb making nowadays, so it's not that easy

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<v Speaker 1>to use. But if you're thinking breaking bad, they used

1:10:55.280 --> 1:10:59.800
<v Speaker 1>hydrofluoric acid in that, and it takes silicon oxide and

1:11:00.280 --> 1:11:03.880
<v Speaker 1>types of glass and metals and plastic and just ripped

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<v Speaker 1>through them. That's why you've got that infamous tub scene.

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<v Speaker 1>Another thing they found in the basement a wooden tank

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<v Speaker 1>filled with strange chemicals and workman later excavating it. They

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<v Speaker 1>lit a match to see what was in there in

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<v Speaker 1>the accident, accidentally ignited it. Nineties investigation techniques, y'all, yeah,

1:11:24.400 --> 1:11:26.479
<v Speaker 1>if we set it on fire, he'll see. They never

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<v Speaker 1>quite figured out what was in there, but they think

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<v Speaker 1>it might have been like a combination of crude petroleum

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<v Speaker 1>and gasoline or benzene, and that might have been what

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<v Speaker 1>was in the vault with one of his potential victims.

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<v Speaker 1>So we locked her in there, placed some of the

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<v Speaker 1>substance in there. It suffocated her, and then the residue

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<v Speaker 1>was left behind from her footprint on the door. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>And there's another question. This furnace. Okay, so he's got

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<v Speaker 1>this furnace in his office. Now, the police at the

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<v Speaker 1>time said, oh, yeah, we found a human rib and

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<v Speaker 1>a heck of long hair in the furnace, But then

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<v Speaker 1>like a couple of years later, they were like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>actually it was some stove lining. Uh So, so it

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<v Speaker 1>was actually pointed out in the papers of the time.

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<v Speaker 1>To destroy a human torso like that in this furnace

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<v Speaker 1>would have been totally impossible to cremate a body. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, you need a furnace that can burn at

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<v Speaker 1>fourteen d eighteen hundred degrees and it still takes two

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<v Speaker 1>to three hours to burn a body at that level.

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<v Speaker 1>And the first modern cremation chamber wasn't presented until eighteen

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<v Speaker 1>seventy three in France and then eighteen seventy six here

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<v Speaker 1>in the US. So yeah, that was before Holmes was active,

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<v Speaker 1>But it's not likely that he had one of these

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<v Speaker 1>furnaces in his office. So the way the story ends

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<v Speaker 1>of the Old Murdoch Castle is it gets set on

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<v Speaker 1>fire a bunch of times. Holmes himself sets on fire

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<v Speaker 1>in eighteen ninety three, then he gets arrested, uh four

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<v Speaker 1>more times eight nineteen o three and nineteen o seven,

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<v Speaker 1>is finally officially torn down in ninety eight. Uh. Story goes.

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<v Speaker 1>A post office currently occupies the plot. Anybody here from

1:13:06.400 --> 1:13:09.400
<v Speaker 1>town been to this post office? Yeah yeah, yeah, I

1:13:09.760 --> 1:13:16.280
<v Speaker 1>hear they're lingering smells. There's like ghost tours. Uh oh

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<v Speaker 1>yeah yeah, Well actually I was reading that you can

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<v Speaker 1>still access homes basement. Oh you have to email yourself exactly. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and they just dump you down the shoot the shoots

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<v Speaker 1>still there. Um, here's the creepy thing. And this is

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<v Speaker 1>what I'll leave you with. What most people who write

1:13:31.840 --> 1:13:35.040
<v Speaker 1>about H. H. Holmes don't know or fail to mention,

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<v Speaker 1>is that he actually owned several other properties around town,

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<v Speaker 1>and those weren't investigated as much as the murder Castle.

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<v Speaker 1>So if he had any associates in the area, they

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<v Speaker 1>totally could have gone in and cleaned up the evidence

1:13:47.040 --> 1:13:50.960
<v Speaker 1>while everybody was looking at this murder castle. Uh. And specifically,

1:13:51.400 --> 1:13:53.920
<v Speaker 1>he had a glass bending factory that was in an

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<v Speaker 1>isolated area and when the police got there, all they

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