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Speaker 3: You're saying that humans need fantasy to make life bearable.

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Speaker 2: Humans need fantasy to be hum.

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Speaker 3: Prone, the best, relentless, refusing to give up.

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Speaker 2: All right, hit that horn, very bless the wecept everybody.

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Speaker 3: Welcome to the Fantasy at Flex podcast from the Action

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Speaker 3: Network and Fantasy Labs. I'm your host, Chris Raybaon and

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Speaker 3: with the NFL Draft just a couple of days away,

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Speaker 3: great time to bring in longtime friend of the podcast,

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Speaker 3: Matthew Friedman. He's the head of betting at Matthew Berry's

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Speaker 2: What's up? Happy day to birthday?

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Speaker 1: Oh thank you? Yeah, it's great to be on the show.

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Speaker 1: By the way, I just gotta say, longtime friend of

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Speaker 3: Hell yeah, I mean talk your ship. But I mean

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Speaker 2: You should be. You're not getting any any royalties for

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Speaker 1: But if I can jump in and just like him

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Speaker 1: his quote unquote limitations. And then there's the whole persona

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Speaker 3: And so given that because investball, he's going to be

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Speaker 3: follow up is what about Jalen Milroe because he's getting

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Speaker 1: I think with Sanders in Dart, the only way they

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Speaker 2: You're going to go there?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, right, but it's it's in that same vein of

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Speaker 1: he still wasn't very polished, but he was a great

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Speaker 1: he gave legitimate difference making fantasy points. That would be

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Speaker 1: the type of bet that you have with Milroe. And

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Speaker 1: the Sanders Dart where it's like you're hoping they get

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Speaker 1: some starts, but that's really it. You're betting on opportunity

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I totally agree. It's mill Roe or nothing for

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Speaker 3: it's gotta be mill Roe, Like it just has to be.

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Speaker 3: I feel like that rush, how much worse could be

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Speaker 2: I mean, you know, it's it's all about upside.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, I think if you're going for a late round,

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Speaker 3: which you do have them, you do have him mocked

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Speaker 3: to the Browns at number two, How would that affect

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Speaker 1: Okay, I would be tempted to go with Hunter because

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Speaker 1: to my everlasting dismay, I had him rated ahead of

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Speaker 1: Ceedee Lamb. I'm probably still going to be like, hey,

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Speaker 3: I would say Judy too, because the thing about it

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Speaker 1: Can we have just the quickest of conversations about Travis

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Speaker 1: that is high. That is Calvin Johnson high, Like Calvin

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Speaker 1: to play him at corner like great, he would be

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, and to kind of I I totally agree,

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Speaker 2: I'm just putting it out there. Yeah, I'm just putting

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, Hunter be a.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, there's there's a chance. There's a chance that happens.

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Speaker 1: he just does it at like a wide receiver twenty

437
00:23:52,160 --> 00:23:56,360
Speaker 1: level and he's like the twentieth best quarterback in the league.

438
00:23:56,400 --> 00:23:59,600
Speaker 1: That's for the Browns. That's still pretty good value. But

439
00:23:59,800 --> 00:24:03,480
Speaker 1: like from a fantasy perspective, from a football fan perspective,

440
00:24:03,520 --> 00:24:05,520
Speaker 1: it's like, all right, well that's okay.

441
00:24:06,200 --> 00:24:09,440
Speaker 3: It's a sign of the class because you're looking at

442
00:24:09,680 --> 00:24:12,800
Speaker 3: number one cam Ward. Everyone's kind of like mad about him,

443
00:24:12,800 --> 00:24:15,360
Speaker 3: and we'll get to him in a second. And then

444
00:24:15,800 --> 00:24:18,879
Speaker 3: I mean even at three, you know, it's like do

445
00:24:19,080 --> 00:24:22,000
Speaker 3: Carter is a great prospect, but the Giants kind of

446
00:24:22,080 --> 00:24:24,280
Speaker 3: don't really want to be forced to take him, Like

447
00:24:24,320 --> 00:24:26,840
Speaker 3: you know, it's there's no one to really latch onto.

448
00:24:27,080 --> 00:24:28,480
Speaker 2: Like, oh man, this is a sexy pick.

449
00:24:28,640 --> 00:24:31,760
Speaker 3: The first you know, wide receiver Teed McMillan a lot

450
00:24:31,760 --> 00:24:34,520
Speaker 3: of people and we'll talk about him too, but there's

451
00:24:34,720 --> 00:24:38,399
Speaker 3: not a lot of sexy picks in this draft. And

452
00:24:38,440 --> 00:24:41,520
Speaker 3: I think that's why the Hunter hype is is what

453
00:24:41,560 --> 00:24:45,080
Speaker 3: it is, because, Yeah, I think there's a much higher

454
00:24:45,160 --> 00:24:47,199
Speaker 3: chance even at as a wide receiver.

455
00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:49,800
Speaker 2: What is that a wide receiver four in basketball right now?

456
00:24:50,320 --> 00:24:52,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think there's more downside than up at wide

457
00:24:52,920 --> 00:24:54,680
Speaker 3: receiver just because of the uncertainty, and I think he

458
00:24:54,800 --> 00:25:00,880
Speaker 3: is gonna play more corner honestly, let's talk Let's talk

459
00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:03,680
Speaker 3: cam Ward though, because we'll kind of end on him

460
00:25:03,680 --> 00:25:06,359
Speaker 3: and then jump to running back and wide receiver.

461
00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:09,720
Speaker 2: But what's his year one upside?

462
00:25:09,840 --> 00:25:12,919
Speaker 3: You know, this year, regardless of what you think of

463
00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:16,400
Speaker 3: him long term, he's probably going to start.

464
00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:19,639
Speaker 2: From week one. So how high is his upsed?

465
00:25:19,640 --> 00:25:21,480
Speaker 3: You mentioned for a guy like should or you could

466
00:25:21,480 --> 00:25:25,240
Speaker 3: see him being into you like that top twelve range.

467
00:25:25,560 --> 00:25:29,639
Speaker 3: Cam Ward's going to be twenty four right now buying

468
00:25:29,720 --> 00:25:30,600
Speaker 3: or selling are.

469
00:25:31,440 --> 00:25:35,080
Speaker 1: So the comment on Sanders was like, at his best,

470
00:25:35,280 --> 00:25:37,920
Speaker 1: he could be like and that's not even like year one,

471
00:25:38,040 --> 00:25:40,800
Speaker 1: that's just like him in his career, And so thinking

472
00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:45,919
Speaker 1: about Ward, maybe year one he could be sort of

473
00:25:45,960 --> 00:25:49,600
Speaker 1: like CJ. Stroud esque and it's like, oh, this guy

474
00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:54,040
Speaker 1: right away is actually like a top twelve NFL quarterback.

475
00:25:54,880 --> 00:25:58,120
Speaker 1: I'm kind of skeptical, though I hate to say that

476
00:25:58,680 --> 00:26:01,520
Speaker 1: I don't have a lot of faith in head coach

477
00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:05,240
Speaker 1: slash play caller Brian Callahan. I just I kind of

478
00:26:05,280 --> 00:26:09,400
Speaker 1: don't think we've we've seen it from him yet to know, Oh,

479
00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:12,359
Speaker 1: he's got a Stefanski, he's got a Kevin O'Connell, like,

480
00:26:12,359 --> 00:26:15,840
Speaker 1: he's got someone who can help mold him and facilitate

481
00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:19,919
Speaker 1: the offense for him. So we don't know that. I

482
00:26:19,920 --> 00:26:23,080
Speaker 1: would say, we do know that it's pretty barren on

483
00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:26,639
Speaker 1: the supporting cast in terms of the pass catchers that

484
00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:30,280
Speaker 1: they have there. It is a rebuilt offensive line, but

485
00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:34,840
Speaker 1: offensive line really benefits from continuity, so maybe it's a

486
00:26:34,920 --> 00:26:38,320
Speaker 1: really improved offensive line, But even if it is, it's

487
00:26:38,359 --> 00:26:41,240
Speaker 1: still one that for the first half of the year

488
00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:44,800
Speaker 1: could maybe struggle as guys get used to playing in

489
00:26:44,840 --> 00:26:47,200
Speaker 1: that new scheme, get used to playing next to each other.

490
00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:51,919
Speaker 1: So there's just a lot of uncertainty. And even like

491
00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:55,480
Speaker 1: I think I like cam Ward, but even liking him,

492
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Speaker 1: I can see that year one could be kind of

493
00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:03,639
Speaker 1: rough for him. So I think QB twenty four is

494
00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:08,119
Speaker 1: fair because he has some upside. He's likely to start

495
00:27:08,280 --> 00:27:10,960
Speaker 1: all of the games and so that on its own,

496
00:27:11,080 --> 00:27:14,720
Speaker 1: I think gives him a pretty high week to week floor.

497
00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:17,720
Speaker 1: Let mera, let me rephrase that, a stable week to

498
00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:21,000
Speaker 1: week floor. So like just knowing that you're not going

499
00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:24,040
Speaker 1: to be taking zeros from him, I think is big

500
00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:27,359
Speaker 1: and best ball as your QB two or your QB three,

501
00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:31,879
Speaker 1: But I don't think he has the upside that we

502
00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:35,119
Speaker 1: would want him to have, given that he's going number

503
00:27:35,119 --> 00:27:38,000
Speaker 1: one overall. I just I kind of don't see it.

504
00:27:39,320 --> 00:27:42,919
Speaker 3: Yeah, Like I think he's he's gonna be solid, but

505
00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:45,600
Speaker 3: he doesn't. He doesn't get me excited like the way

506
00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:49,879
Speaker 3: I think jayde Daniels did yes heading into last year

507
00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:53,480
Speaker 3: or something like that. I think it'll be like more

508
00:27:53,600 --> 00:27:56,679
Speaker 3: like a Drake May type of progression for him, where

509
00:27:56,840 --> 00:27:59,199
Speaker 3: it'll be rough at first.

510
00:27:59,280 --> 00:28:02,120
Speaker 2: But I like May more than I like Ward.

511
00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:05,119
Speaker 3: Not that I don't like Ward, but I think that's

512
00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:08,080
Speaker 3: kind of where he'll be. Like he'll start really slow,

513
00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:10,879
Speaker 3: and then you might look up in like week twelve

514
00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:14,359
Speaker 3: and he starts stringing together a couple of good weeks.

515
00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:21,600
Speaker 3: But yeah, I would probably I'm probably selling at QB

516
00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:26,960
Speaker 3: twenty four just because I got I'm with you on

517
00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:29,280
Speaker 3: the Titans right now I don't really.

518
00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:31,960
Speaker 2: I don't really see it for them.

519
00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:33,840
Speaker 3: Now that could change, maybe they have a really good

520
00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:37,600
Speaker 3: draft and then I'll reevaluate, But as of now, I

521
00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:41,200
Speaker 3: think he's still kind of in that QB firmly in

522
00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:42,520
Speaker 3: that QB three tier.

523
00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:45,960
Speaker 2: But I would buy him over like where.

524
00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:48,400
Speaker 3: Should Or and Darter are going for sure, because I

525
00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:50,200
Speaker 3: think those guys are going way over drafted.

526
00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:54,440
Speaker 2: But I think mill rose to pick any bets as

527
00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:56,880
Speaker 2: far as quarterbacks before we jump to running back.

528
00:28:57,440 --> 00:28:59,520
Speaker 1: Well, I would say, I think this is a bad

529
00:28:59,560 --> 00:29:04,240
Speaker 1: quarterback class in general, and I have a bet on

530
00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:09,720
Speaker 1: under two and a half quarterbacks in round one. And

531
00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:13,360
Speaker 1: I got this when it was you know, like plus

532
00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:17,080
Speaker 1: two hundred plus two fifty. Now I'm looking at the

533
00:29:17,080 --> 00:29:19,840
Speaker 1: odds of draftings and it's plus one oh five. So

534
00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:23,640
Speaker 1: it's the market has radically shifted, But I still think

535
00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:27,120
Speaker 1: there's value. I think this should be around like minus

536
00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:30,840
Speaker 1: one twenty five to minus one fifty that we see

537
00:29:31,040 --> 00:29:33,840
Speaker 1: only two quarterbacks going round one, because I know there's

538
00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:36,800
Speaker 1: the narrative of, hey, a team is going to trade up.

539
00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:40,120
Speaker 1: You got the Browns, the Giants, maybe the Saints, who

540
00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:43,200
Speaker 1: could all trade up to the end of round one

541
00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:46,360
Speaker 1: to take their guy that could be Sanders. They could

542
00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:49,440
Speaker 1: do that and there could still be only two quarterbacks

543
00:29:49,560 --> 00:29:54,560
Speaker 1: go it happened. Never where we see multiple teams trade

544
00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:57,640
Speaker 1: up to the end of round one to draft multiple

545
00:29:57,760 --> 00:30:01,520
Speaker 1: quarterbacks who were falling down the board. We don't see that. Like,

546
00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:03,680
Speaker 1: we just haven't seen that in NFL history. It doesn't

547
00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:07,280
Speaker 1: mean it can't happen, but like, we just don't see that. So,

548
00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:11,160
Speaker 1: given that I think Sanders is already a really good

549
00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:14,040
Speaker 1: bet to fall down into the twenties, I think it's

550
00:30:14,080 --> 00:30:17,800
Speaker 1: just unlikely that we see multiple teams trade up to

551
00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:22,480
Speaker 1: take a guy, and I would say, there's still Jackson Dart,

552
00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:26,360
Speaker 1: there's still mill Row, They're shucked. What is the incentive

553
00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:29,920
Speaker 1: for the Browns at number thirty three to trade up

554
00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:33,280
Speaker 1: when it's guaranteed one of those guys and maybe the

555
00:30:33,320 --> 00:30:35,600
Speaker 1: guy that they like is going to fall to them

556
00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:38,600
Speaker 1: even if they don't get Sanders. The same with the Giants,

557
00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:41,520
Speaker 1: the same with the Saints. I just don't really see

558
00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:44,800
Speaker 1: the market need for one of these teams to move up.

559
00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:47,239
Speaker 1: So under two and a half quarterbacks at plus one

560
00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:51,320
Speaker 1: oh five I still like And then this is definitely

561
00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:54,600
Speaker 1: juicy but shdor Sanders over eight and a half minus

562
00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:58,760
Speaker 1: four hundred at DraftKings Raymond to take one of the

563
00:30:58,760 --> 00:31:00,720
Speaker 1: things that you like to say, bet it to any

564
00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:04,440
Speaker 1: number like this, I would say it is almost a

565
00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:08,880
Speaker 1: certain lock that Sanders does not go in the top eight,

566
00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:11,760
Speaker 1: both just in terms of the way that the board

567
00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:16,160
Speaker 1: stacks up, the way that teams have their needs, and

568
00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:19,400
Speaker 1: then just the incentive that teams have to trade up.

569
00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:21,800
Speaker 1: I just don't think teams have any incentive to trade

570
00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:24,600
Speaker 1: up at all for him when it seems very very

571
00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:27,080
Speaker 1: likely he's going to fall down the board. So Sanders

572
00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:29,880
Speaker 1: over eight and a half minus four hundred. Honestly, I

573
00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:31,680
Speaker 1: feel like this should be like minus two thousand.

574
00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:35,320
Speaker 3: That's interesting because I almost feel like there's too much

575
00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:38,720
Speaker 3: uncertainty for me to have like an anti juice bet

576
00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:41,000
Speaker 3: on this because this, like you said, he was a

577
00:31:41,080 --> 00:31:45,760
Speaker 3: number one prospect. Everyone's trying to just trade down. But

578
00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:49,640
Speaker 3: if they don't like who knows, you know, and the

579
00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:51,640
Speaker 3: Giants are stupid, so.

580
00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:55,240
Speaker 2: Don't put anything past them at number three.

581
00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:59,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, quarterback related if because if there's just no IF

582
00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:03,080
Speaker 3: teams around and they feel like there's no kind of

583
00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:07,840
Speaker 3: ability to move around the board just because of unwillingness

584
00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:13,880
Speaker 3: or inability to find trade partners. Who knows, And I

585
00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:16,080
Speaker 3: mean even a team like the Jets at where they

586
00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:17,800
Speaker 3: said at seven, I.

587
00:32:17,760 --> 00:32:20,440
Speaker 2: Feel like, I don't know. I feel like they I mean, well.

588
00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:24,240
Speaker 3: You're gonna go with Justin Fields like that, that's your guy. Yeah,

589
00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:26,800
Speaker 3: I feel like somebody might be tempted to. I'm I

590
00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:29,040
Speaker 3: have to disagree with you on that. I think the

591
00:32:29,120 --> 00:32:33,000
Speaker 3: time to get Sanders was when everyone was still kind

592
00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:37,320
Speaker 3: of banking on him going number two, number three, not

593
00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:39,240
Speaker 3: feeling you could have kind of gotten it.

594
00:32:39,280 --> 00:32:41,600
Speaker 2: But yeah, for me, that's about too much uncertainty.

595
00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:43,840
Speaker 3: But I do like kind of fading the quarterback class

596
00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:47,960
Speaker 3: or fading the consensus, you know, top two three guys,

597
00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:50,880
Speaker 3: because we're hearing Sanders, we're hearing Dark, but we're starting

598
00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:53,560
Speaker 3: to hear Milroe're starting to hear shut like you said,

599
00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:56,400
Speaker 3: so there could be a surprise. I don't really think

600
00:32:56,400 --> 00:32:58,880
Speaker 3: we know much of anything in this ground. I think

601
00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:01,240
Speaker 3: a lot of it is smokes, a lot of it

602
00:33:01,360 --> 00:33:05,680
Speaker 3: is agent kind of stuff, and the reporting is a

603
00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:09,040
Speaker 3: lot of mousepieces because everyone's trying to move around and

604
00:33:09,080 --> 00:33:11,040
Speaker 3: trade down and no one really wants to be as

605
00:33:11,120 --> 00:33:11,880
Speaker 3: high as they are.

606
00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:16,240
Speaker 2: So I think there's a lot of uncertainty in this draft.

607
00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:18,560
Speaker 2: So money bets.

608
00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:20,920
Speaker 1: I agree with you on the uncertainty, except I will

609
00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:23,360
Speaker 1: say one thing I feel pretty certain about is that

610
00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:27,240
Speaker 1: the NFL is not high on these quarterbacks. I feel

611
00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:30,240
Speaker 1: a little I feel fairly certain about.

612
00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:33,720
Speaker 3: That, and that happens every tends to happen, I should say,

613
00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:37,600
Speaker 3: most years in the betting market in particular, where we

614
00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:41,080
Speaker 3: see quarterbacks just kind of inflated value, whether it's over

615
00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:44,000
Speaker 3: under number, whether it's the amount of quarterbacks to go

616
00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:45,680
Speaker 3: in the first round or whatever or not.

617
00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:50,080
Speaker 2: So, uh, definitely like that under two and a half.

618
00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:55,000
Speaker 3: Let's let's jump to running back, because quarterback no one's

619
00:33:55,040 --> 00:33:59,520
Speaker 3: really feeling most of these quarterbacks, maybe not even cam

620
00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:04,120
Speaker 3: wardber One, but Gent, I mean there's people I think

621
00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:06,080
Speaker 3: he's the best player in his class. Now you have

622
00:34:06,080 --> 00:34:07,680
Speaker 3: a Mott number six to Vegas.

623
00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:10,160
Speaker 2: Is that the best.

624
00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:13,200
Speaker 3: Landing spot for him to live up to what's already

625
00:34:13,200 --> 00:34:15,160
Speaker 3: a first round best ball eighty?

626
00:34:15,160 --> 00:34:16,680
Speaker 2: But he's going as the running back four?

627
00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:20,399
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I mean I've actually taken him around there

628
00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:22,680
Speaker 3: a couple of times just to get some exposure. I

629
00:34:22,680 --> 00:34:25,080
Speaker 3: don't hate it. But is Vegas the best spot for that?

630
00:34:25,120 --> 00:34:25,920
Speaker 3: Does it even matter?

631
00:34:27,160 --> 00:34:29,560
Speaker 1: Okay, that's a great question. Is Vegas the best spot

632
00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:33,120
Speaker 1: for him? I would say like yes and no, so

633
00:34:33,239 --> 00:34:36,520
Speaker 1: like yes. In terms of like the realistic places where

634
00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:39,640
Speaker 1: he could land, I'd say, like the Cowboys at number twelve,

635
00:34:39,640 --> 00:34:43,759
Speaker 1: that's the absolute floor for him. But really, if he's available,

636
00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:45,920
Speaker 1: the Bears probably take him at number ten, and I

637
00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:47,960
Speaker 1: think that could be a pretty cool landing spot. But

638
00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:51,520
Speaker 1: maybe he would have to compete with DeAndre Swift, the

639
00:34:51,560 --> 00:34:55,359
Speaker 1: Saints at nine, but Alvin Kamara is there, you know,

640
00:34:55,520 --> 00:34:59,040
Speaker 1: the Panthers at eight, but they just gave Cheuba Hubbard

641
00:34:59,080 --> 00:35:02,560
Speaker 1: a new contract. The Jets at seven, but okay, you've

642
00:35:02,560 --> 00:35:04,880
Speaker 1: got to deal with Breeze Hall. So you look at

643
00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:06,879
Speaker 1: the Raiders at six, and it's like, there's don't really

644
00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:10,360
Speaker 1: no one he has to compete with for opportunities.

645
00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:11,560
Speaker 2: Expect on Sincere McCormick's name.

646
00:35:11,640 --> 00:35:16,600
Speaker 1: Now, I sincerely regret not being more respectful to Sincere. Look,

647
00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:22,279
Speaker 1: I think Sincere McCormick aside, the Raiders have opportunities to

648
00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:24,720
Speaker 1: give to a running back, and I think he would

649
00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:28,040
Speaker 1: do pretty well there. You know, Geno Smith, he has

650
00:35:28,080 --> 00:35:32,600
Speaker 1: like a professional quarterback there to facilitate the offense. So

651
00:35:32,680 --> 00:35:35,480
Speaker 1: I think that could be good. But I will say

652
00:35:35,520 --> 00:35:37,720
Speaker 1: it's not gonna happen because we just talked about Travis

653
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Speaker 1: Hunter going number two to the Browns. But the Browns

654
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Speaker 1: would also be really intriguing to me because they have

655
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Speaker 1: only two running backs on their roster right now, neither

656
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Speaker 1: of whom is like a real lead back. They have

657
00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:53,200
Speaker 1: a pretty good offensive line, and they have I think

658
00:35:53,719 --> 00:35:58,200
Speaker 1: a top eight, top ten play caller in Kevin Stefanski.

659
00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:03,799
Speaker 1: I probably better than that, to be honest. So he's

660
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Speaker 1: not gonna go number two. But man, Genti to the

661
00:36:06,680 --> 00:36:09,799
Speaker 1: Browns would just be like, man, this guy could get

662
00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:12,600
Speaker 1: like twelve thousand yards. Sorry I said twelve thousand. I

663
00:36:12,640 --> 00:36:14,640
Speaker 1: meant two thousand yards like right away.

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Speaker 2: A thousand, Hey, twelve thousand.

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Speaker 1: He could get two thousand yards like right away if

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Speaker 1: he went to the Browns, just based on the opportunity

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00:36:23,719 --> 00:36:26,640
Speaker 1: that he would have there in the general competence of

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Speaker 1: that team.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I don't know about competence. I mean, they

670
00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:34,400
Speaker 3: don't have a quarterback right now, so that could be

671
00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:34,920
Speaker 3: an issue.

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Speaker 1: But get yeah, I mean I think like Joe Flacco

673
00:36:39,040 --> 00:36:42,200
Speaker 1: would be good enough, like the combination of Flacco and

674
00:36:42,239 --> 00:36:47,160
Speaker 1: Pickett with Stefanski and that offensive line. Basically, that team

675
00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:51,040
Speaker 1: has looked good enough for the offensive like skill position

676
00:36:51,120 --> 00:36:55,840
Speaker 1: players whenever they've had anyone there who is not Deshaun Watson.

677
00:36:56,360 --> 00:36:59,160
Speaker 1: And again it's just given that there are only two

678
00:36:59,239 --> 00:37:02,440
Speaker 1: running backs on the roster, neither of whom are really starters.

679
00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:05,640
Speaker 1: The idea of gent to the Browns is really intriguing,

680
00:37:05,719 --> 00:37:07,759
Speaker 1: but it's not gonna happen. So out of the other

681
00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:12,000
Speaker 1: like realistic options, Yes, the Raiders at number six, that

682
00:37:12,080 --> 00:37:16,560
Speaker 1: feels like the best option because of the infrastructure there

683
00:37:16,640 --> 00:37:19,560
Speaker 1: with Geno Smith at quarterback, and then because of the

684
00:37:19,680 --> 00:37:21,960
Speaker 1: dearth of other options in the backfield.

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00:37:23,560 --> 00:37:24,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, and let's not forget you know.

686
00:37:25,040 --> 00:37:30,120
Speaker 3: They they got Chick Kelly there too, so that would

687
00:37:30,160 --> 00:37:34,480
Speaker 3: be fun. I think the Bears would also be very intriguing,

688
00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:38,120
Speaker 3: just because I don't think like if you draft Ashton Genty,

689
00:37:38,200 --> 00:37:40,600
Speaker 3: you you figure it out with the other backs. Maybe

690
00:37:40,600 --> 00:37:44,040
Speaker 3: you trade him, you know, maybe like DeAndre Swift's not

691
00:37:44,080 --> 00:37:45,120
Speaker 3: gonna factor in.

692
00:37:45,239 --> 00:37:47,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, if you know what I mean. I'm just saying

693
00:37:47,520 --> 00:37:50,560
Speaker 1: the factors in more than sincere McCormick or more than

694
00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:52,759
Speaker 1: Jerome Ford. You know what I mean. I feel like

695
00:37:52,760 --> 00:37:54,520
Speaker 1: he does factor in more than that.

696
00:37:55,120 --> 00:37:56,720
Speaker 2: He should in theory.

697
00:37:57,000 --> 00:38:00,319
Speaker 3: But I mean, of those three backs, was Deandre's the

698
00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:04,680
Speaker 3: best of those three backs last year? Maybe for a

699
00:38:04,719 --> 00:38:13,799
Speaker 3: week or two. I'm just saying, yeah, I'm just saying, okay, jenty, Yeah,

700
00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:16,480
Speaker 3: we like the Raiders. I think the Bears are interesting.

701
00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:23,520
Speaker 3: Now you have one other running back going in round one,

702
00:38:23,840 --> 00:38:27,400
Speaker 3: and that's Omari and Hampton twentieth to the Denver Broncos.

703
00:38:27,400 --> 00:38:30,759
Speaker 3: That's been a pretty popular pick in Mott drafts. Now

704
00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:36,400
Speaker 3: he's already the RB fifteen in Bastball, going forty second overall.

705
00:38:36,520 --> 00:38:41,799
Speaker 3: And is that kind of do you think he hits

706
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Speaker 3: that if he doesn't get drafted as high as number twenty.

707
00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:49,279
Speaker 3: And kind of a related question, any if dever takes

708
00:38:49,320 --> 00:38:52,520
Speaker 3: any running back on Day one, Day two, do they

709
00:38:52,560 --> 00:38:56,040
Speaker 3: automatically just have to be considered a fantasy starter because

710
00:38:56,040 --> 00:38:58,680
Speaker 3: of the depth chart, or you do you just not

711
00:38:58,719 --> 00:38:59,520
Speaker 3: trust John Payton?

712
00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:02,680
Speaker 1: No, I trust Sean Payton, especially if he's spending first

713
00:39:02,719 --> 00:39:05,960
Speaker 1: round draft capital on a guy. So whether it's Hampton

714
00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:10,560
Speaker 1: going to Denver, whether it's traveon Henderson going to Denver

715
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Speaker 1: at number twenty, which would be something of a surprise pick,

716
00:39:13,840 --> 00:39:16,520
Speaker 1: but not super surprising because some people have said, oh,

717
00:39:16,560 --> 00:39:20,040
Speaker 1: Henderson would fit really well within that offense, or whether

718
00:39:20,080 --> 00:39:23,719
Speaker 1: it's them on day two taking Caleb Johnson or quin

719
00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:27,040
Speaker 1: Shawn Jukins, whoever it is, as long as that guy

720
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Speaker 1: is drafted with top one hundred capital, he would be

721
00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:35,280
Speaker 1: someone I would be interested in. Talking about Omarion Hampton

722
00:39:35,400 --> 00:39:39,279
Speaker 1: specifically whether he goes to Denver at twenty, I mean,

723
00:39:39,280 --> 00:39:41,919
Speaker 1: the Steelers could still take a running back at number

724
00:39:41,920 --> 00:39:44,640
Speaker 1: twenty one I don't like. I like Jalen Warren, but

725
00:39:44,719 --> 00:39:46,799
Speaker 1: I don't I'm not convinced that they're going to go

726
00:39:46,840 --> 00:39:48,680
Speaker 1: into the season with him as their lead back. I

727
00:39:48,680 --> 00:39:51,160
Speaker 1: think their candidates to look to take a lead back.

728
00:39:51,440 --> 00:39:53,719
Speaker 1: If Hampton fell to them at number twenty one, that

729
00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:57,760
Speaker 1: could be an option. Regardless basically of where Hampton goes,

730
00:39:58,280 --> 00:40:02,200
Speaker 1: I'm going to be very interested in him in fantasy.

731
00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:04,760
Speaker 1: And I don't want to say, hey, why take Ashton

732
00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:06,880
Speaker 1: genty in the first round when you can get Omarian

733
00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:10,320
Speaker 1: Hampton like a couple of rounds later. But that's kind

734
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Speaker 1: of the way that I feel like in terms of

735
00:40:13,680 --> 00:40:17,879
Speaker 1: how these guys are as prospects. I'm reminded of two

736
00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:21,160
Speaker 1: thousand and seven when Adrian Peterson went number seven and

737
00:40:21,200 --> 00:40:24,680
Speaker 1: then Marshaun Lynch went number twelve and Lynch had not

738
00:40:24,960 --> 00:40:27,840
Speaker 1: quite as good of a career as Adrian Peterson's, but

739
00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:31,320
Speaker 1: pretty close to it. And I'm also reminded of Bejon

740
00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:34,320
Speaker 1: Robinson going number eight to the Falcons and Jamier Gibbs

741
00:40:34,360 --> 00:40:36,640
Speaker 1: going number twelve to the Lions, and Gibbs to this

742
00:40:36,719 --> 00:40:41,320
Speaker 1: point has had the better NFL career. Hampton Like, okay,

743
00:40:41,520 --> 00:40:45,480
Speaker 1: I said this stuff on the Action or on the

744
00:40:45,719 --> 00:40:51,359
Speaker 1: Favorites pod with Chad and of course Simon, and look

745
00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:53,680
Speaker 1: I'll say it again here just briefly. I know this

746
00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:56,760
Speaker 1: is stupid. I'm not sold that Ashton Genty is actually

747
00:40:56,800 --> 00:41:00,000
Speaker 1: like a generational prospect. Maybe he's just like a very

748
00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:02,839
Speaker 1: rate prospect, but maybe not maybe not generational.

749
00:41:03,200 --> 00:41:05,080
Speaker 3: Wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait, we gotta

750
00:41:05,280 --> 00:41:08,360
Speaker 3: break this down. Yeah, I'm because I'm interested, because i

751
00:41:08,360 --> 00:41:10,840
Speaker 3: I'm really high on gent he. I mean this was

752
00:41:11,040 --> 00:41:13,000
Speaker 3: even before the draft process. He was like the one

753
00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:16,239
Speaker 3: guy that just jumped out to me on film every

754
00:41:16,280 --> 00:41:18,680
Speaker 3: single week. So I gotta hear this what what's your

755
00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:20,640
Speaker 3: what's your take on gens?

756
00:41:20,840 --> 00:41:21,640
Speaker 2: Is this gonna be like.

757
00:41:21,560 --> 00:41:25,960
Speaker 3: Another one of our legendary Yes? Aj Green Keenan Allen debates.

758
00:41:25,640 --> 00:41:29,359
Speaker 1: Yes, And I hate I hate saying this because I

759
00:41:29,400 --> 00:41:32,520
Speaker 1: know it is likely that I am wrong. I guess

760
00:41:32,520 --> 00:41:37,200
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, Okay, he was a three star recruit

761
00:41:37,360 --> 00:41:39,640
Speaker 1: entering college, which means he's better at football than he

762
00:41:39,719 --> 00:41:43,320
Speaker 1: is a being an athlete. That's just generally what that means.

763
00:41:43,680 --> 00:41:47,760
Speaker 1: He played at a non powerhouse program. He was awesome,

764
00:41:48,160 --> 00:41:53,560
Speaker 1: of course, but he's not even five to nine. He's

765
00:41:53,719 --> 00:41:57,440
Speaker 1: quote unquote only two hundred and eleven pounds. We don't

766
00:41:57,480 --> 00:42:00,960
Speaker 1: have athletic testing data on him. I'm just saying, if

767
00:42:00,960 --> 00:42:05,200
Speaker 1: there's a universe where he ends up being good but

768
00:42:05,360 --> 00:42:08,520
Speaker 1: not great, and it's like, you know what, the Raiders

769
00:42:08,520 --> 00:42:11,360
Speaker 1: maybe shouldn't have drafted a running back at number six

770
00:42:11,840 --> 00:42:14,160
Speaker 1: when this is what they got out of him. I

771
00:42:14,160 --> 00:42:16,160
Speaker 1: guess what I'm saying is if he turns out to

772
00:42:16,160 --> 00:42:20,640
Speaker 1: be Darren McFadden, who like who was who was fine

773
00:42:20,880 --> 00:42:23,520
Speaker 1: in the NFL, but who went number four overall in

774
00:42:23,600 --> 00:42:27,520
Speaker 1: a loaded running back class, and who got outperformed by

775
00:42:27,600 --> 00:42:30,760
Speaker 1: basically the slew of running backs who came behind him,

776
00:42:30,840 --> 00:42:34,279
Speaker 1: but who was like a two time runner up for

777
00:42:34,360 --> 00:42:38,400
Speaker 1: Heisman Awards, like kind of similar similar to to Genti

778
00:42:39,160 --> 00:42:41,600
Speaker 1: and in that regard of he's gonna be drafted high,

779
00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:45,080
Speaker 1: he you know, like was a guy who did well

780
00:42:45,160 --> 00:42:49,160
Speaker 1: in Heisman's like all that stuff. But it's like, what

781
00:42:49,239 --> 00:42:50,839
Speaker 1: if he doesn't do that well in the NFL, You're

782
00:42:50,840 --> 00:42:52,200
Speaker 1: gonna be able to look back and be like, you

783
00:42:52,280 --> 00:42:54,560
Speaker 1: know what, maybe it wasn't good for a team to

784
00:42:54,640 --> 00:43:00,239
Speaker 1: draft a three star non powerhouse runner, like like not

785
00:43:00,560 --> 00:43:03,480
Speaker 1: like runner coming from a non powerhouse team who was

786
00:43:03,520 --> 00:43:07,640
Speaker 1: smaller and didn't have any athletic testing data. Like I'm

787
00:43:07,680 --> 00:43:11,279
Speaker 1: not saying these are all red flags, but they're not

788
00:43:11,400 --> 00:43:16,040
Speaker 1: green flags like they're they're flags that are like orangish.

789
00:43:16,480 --> 00:43:19,160
Speaker 1: Whereas you look here they are green. Why are they

790
00:43:19,200 --> 00:43:19,840
Speaker 1: green flags?

791
00:43:19,880 --> 00:43:22,240
Speaker 2: Okay, hear me out.

792
00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:28,480
Speaker 3: When a guy to your point doesn't jump out on

793
00:43:28,600 --> 00:43:32,840
Speaker 3: paper or doesn't have some of the normal attributes that

794
00:43:33,000 --> 00:43:38,359
Speaker 3: you're looking for or that even projects success, but they

795
00:43:38,640 --> 00:43:41,920
Speaker 3: are that good, it means they are over They're that

796
00:43:42,080 --> 00:43:45,759
Speaker 3: good because they're overcoming these things. Like that's like I know,

797
00:43:45,920 --> 00:43:48,400
Speaker 3: like some people look at that as red flags, but

798
00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:51,600
Speaker 3: to me, they're those are the guys that they're just

799
00:43:51,640 --> 00:43:56,239
Speaker 3: good football players and you know they're overcoming limitations.

800
00:43:56,239 --> 00:43:58,600
Speaker 2: So and like watching him, like I don't.

801
00:43:58,800 --> 00:44:01,239
Speaker 3: We could talk about his data all day, we could

802
00:44:01,239 --> 00:44:05,840
Speaker 3: talk about his high school whatever, but just watch the dude, Like,

803
00:44:05,880 --> 00:44:09,920
Speaker 3: I know, I know the most confident that Ashton Genty

804
00:44:10,080 --> 00:44:12,959
Speaker 3: hits more than anyone else in this draft question.

805
00:44:13,040 --> 00:44:15,800
Speaker 1: I know, I know. So here's the thing, Like I

806
00:44:16,560 --> 00:44:19,040
Speaker 1: like Genty as a prospect, which is why I hate

807
00:44:19,120 --> 00:44:21,680
Speaker 1: pointing these things out because I know I'm likely to

808
00:44:21,800 --> 00:44:24,680
Speaker 1: be wrong. But it's like, should we be the most

809
00:44:24,680 --> 00:44:27,600
Speaker 1: confident on a prospect hitting when he plays running back?

810
00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:31,000
Speaker 1: When he plays like the position that is most dependent

811
00:44:31,120 --> 00:44:37,680
Speaker 1: on health and play caller and surrounding situation. Like there's

812
00:44:37,880 --> 00:44:41,000
Speaker 1: what I'm saying is there is risk in Genty that

813
00:44:41,120 --> 00:44:44,680
Speaker 1: I think the general market isn't really pricing in. And

814
00:44:44,719 --> 00:44:48,200
Speaker 1: then I look at Omarion Hampton, who like did it

815
00:44:48,239 --> 00:44:53,399
Speaker 1: for multiple seasons at UNC, who is big, Like, who's

816
00:44:53,560 --> 00:44:57,359
Speaker 1: verified big, who's verified fast? Who is I would say

817
00:44:57,360 --> 00:45:01,319
Speaker 1: a plus pass catcher And he's probably going to go

818
00:45:01,880 --> 00:45:06,239
Speaker 1: to a better situation than Genty. I just look at that,

819
00:45:06,320 --> 00:45:10,600
Speaker 1: and I'm like Hampton is I think, maybe not in

820
00:45:10,640 --> 00:45:14,280
Speaker 1: the same tier as Genty as a prospect, but pretty

821
00:45:14,280 --> 00:45:16,359
Speaker 1: close to it, I would say, like a half tier

822
00:45:16,840 --> 00:45:20,120
Speaker 1: beneath him, and people are just acting like it's Genty

823
00:45:20,320 --> 00:45:23,360
Speaker 1: up here on his own, And like, I like Genty,

824
00:45:23,680 --> 00:45:26,759
Speaker 1: he's a great football player, and like Chris to your

825
00:45:26,760 --> 00:45:30,319
Speaker 1: point of like the numbers, like the production that he's

826
00:45:30,360 --> 00:45:33,800
Speaker 1: had in college was awesome, and you watch him play

827
00:45:33,880 --> 00:45:37,400
Speaker 1: and it's like this dude is amazing. Like as a

828
00:45:37,400 --> 00:45:40,120
Speaker 1: football fan, I hope he ends up being awesome, But

829
00:45:40,239 --> 00:45:42,960
Speaker 1: like people are comping him to Ladanian Tomlinson and it's

830
00:45:43,000 --> 00:45:46,480
Speaker 1: like Tomlinson was bigger and faster, like coming like it's

831
00:45:46,520 --> 00:45:50,840
Speaker 1: just it was. It's different, Like he is not Ladanian Tomlinson,

832
00:45:51,120 --> 00:45:51,960
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying.

833
00:45:52,160 --> 00:45:56,600
Speaker 3: Like, I mean, see the thing about Ladanian Tomlinson, when

834
00:45:56,640 --> 00:45:58,680
Speaker 3: you watched him, you kind of just knew. But I

835
00:45:58,760 --> 00:46:01,239
Speaker 3: feel that way about Genty too. I didn't feel that

836
00:46:01,280 --> 00:46:04,920
Speaker 3: way to your point about Darren McFadden. Derek Fadden to

837
00:46:04,960 --> 00:46:08,360
Speaker 3: me just look like, you know, a running back on

838
00:46:08,400 --> 00:46:11,960
Speaker 3: a good college team. Yeah, he didn't really look to me,

839
00:46:12,160 --> 00:46:17,480
Speaker 3: like I don't know, Genty jumps, he's he's he looks

840
00:46:17,520 --> 00:46:21,879
Speaker 3: generational in my opinion. So and that's not a knock

841
00:46:21,920 --> 00:46:24,839
Speaker 3: on Hampton. But I will say if we're if we're

842
00:46:24,840 --> 00:46:30,560
Speaker 3: thinking Hampton's going to Denver, I don't necessarily love it,

843
00:46:30,880 --> 00:46:33,840
Speaker 3: just because Sean Payton's kind of always had these weird

844
00:46:35,200 --> 00:46:39,319
Speaker 3: committee batfields, and at any given moment he could just

845
00:46:39,719 --> 00:46:43,120
Speaker 3: oh yeah, I'm gonna give thirty percent of the stats

846
00:46:43,120 --> 00:46:46,400
Speaker 3: to duel McLoughlin this week or estimate. I mean, Blake

847
00:46:46,440 --> 00:46:50,200
Speaker 3: Watson looked good on that one Thursday game in like

848
00:46:50,280 --> 00:46:53,839
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. It's so I I would

849
00:46:53,920 --> 00:46:57,840
Speaker 3: still I think Genty's going wherever he goes. He's gonna

850
00:46:57,880 --> 00:47:00,680
Speaker 3: get twenty plus touches a game, and he's good. He

851
00:47:00,680 --> 00:47:04,160
Speaker 3: can change an offense, Whereas I think Hampton would still

852
00:47:04,160 --> 00:47:08,040
Speaker 3: be a little bit more kind of dependent on, especially

853
00:47:08,040 --> 00:47:11,200
Speaker 3: in Denver, the situation of what's going on around him,

854
00:47:11,200 --> 00:47:13,960
Speaker 3: and kind of on the whim of Sean Payton and

855
00:47:14,040 --> 00:47:16,120
Speaker 3: how he's gonna use him and and whatnot.

856
00:47:16,160 --> 00:47:18,640
Speaker 2: So I think there's a much bigger chasm.

857
00:47:18,719 --> 00:47:22,600
Speaker 3: And I think like running back four for gent I'm

858
00:47:22,640 --> 00:47:27,600
Speaker 3: not worried about, but running back fifteen for Hampton already.

859
00:47:27,960 --> 00:47:30,080
Speaker 3: I would be a little more concerned with because if

860
00:47:30,080 --> 00:47:32,960
Speaker 3: he let's say he doesn't go to Denver and he

861
00:47:33,560 --> 00:47:36,760
Speaker 3: drops further. First of all, that's you know, draft capital.

862
00:47:36,800 --> 00:47:40,560
Speaker 3: The lower it's not great, but they're just more uncertainty there.

863
00:47:40,600 --> 00:47:44,920
Speaker 3: So I think I have to disagree with you on

864
00:47:44,920 --> 00:47:45,279
Speaker 3: this one.

865
00:47:45,640 --> 00:47:46,680
Speaker 1: That's I mean, I.

866
00:47:47,440 --> 00:47:51,000
Speaker 3: Slam Duncan Henderson more downside at his ADP.

867
00:47:51,600 --> 00:47:54,080
Speaker 1: That's fair. I mean, look, I'm fully prepared to look

868
00:47:54,120 --> 00:47:58,520
Speaker 1: like an idiot when Ashton Gent is awesome, like runs

869
00:47:58,560 --> 00:48:01,120
Speaker 1: away with offensive Rookie of the year all of that,

870
00:48:01,200 --> 00:48:04,080
Speaker 1: Like he will probably have a great NFL career. It's

871
00:48:04,120 --> 00:48:08,319
Speaker 1: just I just I see some some warning signs that

872
00:48:08,480 --> 00:48:11,160
Speaker 1: no one else is really talking about, and it's like, well,

873
00:48:11,239 --> 00:48:14,400
Speaker 1: like let's just not pretend like this stuff doesn't exist.

874
00:48:14,520 --> 00:48:17,640
Speaker 1: Like within the range of outcomes, is Trent Richardson like

875
00:48:17,760 --> 00:48:19,439
Speaker 1: that is that is very real?

876
00:48:19,680 --> 00:48:23,759
Speaker 3: I disagree that would but again, like I just I

877
00:48:23,760 --> 00:48:26,239
Speaker 3: feel like when you watch Trent Richardson, you didn't get that.

878
00:48:28,600 --> 00:48:31,520
Speaker 3: He just didn't get that that. It's like there's certain

879
00:48:31,560 --> 00:48:33,040
Speaker 3: guys I feel like you just know.

880
00:48:33,440 --> 00:48:35,000
Speaker 2: I agree with you on Tomlinson.

881
00:48:35,440 --> 00:48:37,279
Speaker 3: I didn't get that feeling for mcfad and I don't

882
00:48:37,320 --> 00:48:39,640
Speaker 3: think any I don't think you did with Richardson either

883
00:48:40,080 --> 00:48:46,239
Speaker 3: anywhere close. I just think Jens, hey, I mean, this

884
00:48:46,320 --> 00:48:50,880
Speaker 3: could be a legendary take freedman if Ashton Jens is

885
00:48:50,920 --> 00:48:54,200
Speaker 3: a fantasy bust, which I mean, hey number four, I mean,

886
00:48:56,040 --> 00:48:59,440
Speaker 3: I'm not concerned about him the way I was about

887
00:48:59,480 --> 00:49:01,440
Speaker 3: a guy like Marvin Harrison last year.

888
00:49:01,320 --> 00:49:03,000
Speaker 2: Who I thought was getting away overdrafted.

889
00:49:03,000 --> 00:49:05,279
Speaker 3: But I mean it's possible that you know, he doesn't

890
00:49:05,360 --> 00:49:08,279
Speaker 3: quite live up to it, but I do see him

891
00:49:08,320 --> 00:49:09,960
Speaker 3: get like, if you're gonna draft him, that how you're

892
00:49:09,960 --> 00:49:12,759
Speaker 3: gonna give him the workload to kind of it's like

893
00:49:12,760 --> 00:49:15,960
Speaker 3: a self fulfilling prophecies, whereas Nap Hampton, you're a little

894
00:49:16,000 --> 00:49:17,760
Speaker 3: bit more in that fuzzy range.

895
00:49:17,840 --> 00:49:19,960
Speaker 1: Can I say something one more thing that I know

896
00:49:20,080 --> 00:49:22,919
Speaker 1: is very stupid, but just like, do you know who

897
00:49:22,960 --> 00:49:27,480
Speaker 1: has the greatest running back PPR season in Boise State history?

898
00:49:28,640 --> 00:49:28,960
Speaker 2: Who?

899
00:49:29,680 --> 00:49:36,040
Speaker 1: It's not Ashton Genty, It's Jaya Jaii. I'm just saying,

900
00:49:36,480 --> 00:49:39,080
Speaker 1: if you're coming from a non power school and you're

901
00:49:39,120 --> 00:49:43,600
Speaker 1: not even the greatest PPR running back in the school's history, Like,

902
00:49:46,000 --> 00:49:46,880
Speaker 1: I don't I don't know.

903
00:49:47,320 --> 00:49:51,160
Speaker 3: I don't know, Okay, I mean it's I get where

904
00:49:51,160 --> 00:49:55,200
Speaker 3: you're coming from, but I think you go deeper into

905
00:49:55,239 --> 00:49:58,200
Speaker 3: those numbers when there's more uncertainty. I just don't think

906
00:49:58,400 --> 00:50:03,799
Speaker 3: there's as much uncertainty. So it's kind of like it's

907
00:50:03,880 --> 00:50:07,319
Speaker 3: kind of like nitpicking. But I'm hey, this, it could

908
00:50:07,360 --> 00:50:08,279
Speaker 3: be a legendary take.

909
00:50:08,840 --> 00:50:12,000
Speaker 1: I disagree, like I'm going to be wrong. I know

910
00:50:12,080 --> 00:50:14,080
Speaker 1: I'm going to be wrong. The odds are I'm going

911
00:50:14,120 --> 00:50:16,720
Speaker 1: to be wrong. I'm just saying like people are acting

912
00:50:16,760 --> 00:50:19,360
Speaker 1: like it's ninety nine percent certainty he ends up being awesome,

913
00:50:19,360 --> 00:50:21,799
Speaker 1: and I'm saying like, maybe it's only like eighty five

914
00:50:21,960 --> 00:50:22,640
Speaker 1: or eighty percent.

915
00:50:22,960 --> 00:50:25,759
Speaker 3: No, that's fair, and that honestly probably does sound like

916
00:50:25,800 --> 00:50:28,680
Speaker 3: a realistic ranger. I mean, I think eighty five is

917
00:50:28,719 --> 00:50:32,720
Speaker 3: just ungodly for any NFL prospect.

918
00:50:33,320 --> 00:50:35,600
Speaker 2: So but I I like the way you're thinking.

919
00:50:35,360 --> 00:50:40,759
Speaker 3: About, Yeah, there's still probably some inflation there, because there

920
00:50:40,880 --> 00:50:45,799
Speaker 3: is any for any NFL prospect, especially again weak class.

921
00:50:46,400 --> 00:50:48,080
Speaker 3: The guys that stand out could just stand out a

922
00:50:48,080 --> 00:50:48,839
Speaker 3: little more to us.

923
00:50:48,880 --> 00:50:50,920
Speaker 2: But and you have your.

924
00:50:50,800 --> 00:50:53,360
Speaker 3: Coming off this year where you had you know, Saquon

925
00:50:53,520 --> 00:50:56,719
Speaker 3: and the Eagles and Henry and just there's just a

926
00:50:56,760 --> 00:50:58,520
Speaker 3: lot it was a good running back here, I think,

927
00:50:58,880 --> 00:51:00,759
Speaker 3: so there could be a lot of things kind of

928
00:51:00,760 --> 00:51:05,600
Speaker 3: inflating our opinions of the impact of a guy like Gent.

929
00:51:05,800 --> 00:51:12,200
Speaker 3: But speaking of which, I know you like a gent

930
00:51:12,480 --> 00:51:13,719
Speaker 3: bet talk to me.

931
00:51:14,160 --> 00:51:17,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, Gent going to the Raiders. This is even money

932
00:51:17,360 --> 00:51:19,920
Speaker 1: at DraftKings always of course, like be sure to look

933
00:51:19,960 --> 00:51:22,440
Speaker 1: around to see if you're getting the best odds. This

934
00:51:22,680 --> 00:51:26,240
Speaker 1: is I mean, like super Chalky. But it makes sense

935
00:51:26,360 --> 00:51:29,600
Speaker 1: like Gent is a top three player on a lot

936
00:51:29,600 --> 00:51:33,560
Speaker 1: of big boards. It's a class that isn't that great overall,

937
00:51:34,080 --> 00:51:37,080
Speaker 1: and so you might think, well, like doesn't make sense

938
00:51:37,120 --> 00:51:39,359
Speaker 1: for a team to draft a running back at number six,

939
00:51:39,400 --> 00:51:42,080
Speaker 1: but the Raiders have a need. I think he's going

940
00:51:42,200 --> 00:51:46,239
Speaker 1: to be on the board, And I would say, if

941
00:51:46,239 --> 00:51:48,920
Speaker 1: he's on the board, I think there's a very strong

942
00:51:49,000 --> 00:51:52,120
Speaker 1: chance that they take him. Just based on some of

943
00:51:52,160 --> 00:51:56,680
Speaker 1: the reporting and based on press conferences from the general

944
00:51:56,719 --> 00:52:00,759
Speaker 1: manager and Pete Carroll, I think I would say, like

945
00:52:00,800 --> 00:52:03,879
Speaker 1: this is a lock. But you know, even money would

946
00:52:03,920 --> 00:52:06,719
Speaker 1: imply fifty percent probability, and I think it's probably a

947
00:52:06,719 --> 00:52:09,880
Speaker 1: little more like sixty five to seventy percent probability that

948
00:52:09,960 --> 00:52:12,200
Speaker 1: this happens.

949
00:52:11,440 --> 00:52:15,400
Speaker 3: And I would add I would also probably invest in

950
00:52:15,719 --> 00:52:20,960
Speaker 3: just him going I guess, what is it under pick

951
00:52:21,880 --> 00:52:23,840
Speaker 3: six and a half or is that how? Yeah, it

952
00:52:23,840 --> 00:52:26,560
Speaker 3: would be yeah, yeah, under six and a half because

953
00:52:27,520 --> 00:52:32,480
Speaker 3: there's also the chance, like if somebody really wants him

954
00:52:32,480 --> 00:52:35,319
Speaker 3: and he's kind of that one guy you could well,

955
00:52:35,320 --> 00:52:37,800
Speaker 3: aside from Hunter, I guess, but the other guy, you

956
00:52:37,840 --> 00:52:42,359
Speaker 3: could really see teams potentially trading up for uh, it's

957
00:52:42,600 --> 00:52:44,840
Speaker 3: possible they would try to jump the Raiders and go

958
00:52:44,920 --> 00:52:47,719
Speaker 3: to five. And we know the Jaguars are open to

959
00:52:47,760 --> 00:52:51,959
Speaker 3: trading that pick, and I would think the Patriots would

960
00:52:51,960 --> 00:52:55,839
Speaker 3: be open to trading four. Who knows, yeah, and uh,

961
00:52:56,000 --> 00:52:58,160
Speaker 3: and we know the Giants and Browns are going to trade.

962
00:52:58,239 --> 00:53:00,959
Speaker 2: So I mean, really, I think you would.

963
00:53:01,000 --> 00:53:03,600
Speaker 3: I think you would also want to invest in in

964
00:53:03,760 --> 00:53:06,960
Speaker 3: just the number because somebody might feel like they have

965
00:53:07,040 --> 00:53:09,000
Speaker 3: to jump the Raiders to get them too.

966
00:53:09,120 --> 00:53:12,640
Speaker 1: Sure, And to put a little context on this, right now,

967
00:53:12,760 --> 00:53:15,399
Speaker 1: the under on six and a half is minus three

968
00:53:15,520 --> 00:53:19,280
Speaker 1: ninety so one one way, so like it's the market

969
00:53:19,360 --> 00:53:22,720
Speaker 1: is baking in oh, like the Raiders are the floor.

970
00:53:23,040 --> 00:53:26,239
Speaker 1: So a way of potentially approaching it would be you

971
00:53:26,239 --> 00:53:28,920
Speaker 1: could bet on him to go number five overall and

972
00:53:29,040 --> 00:53:32,399
Speaker 1: number six overall if you wanted to, because I think

973
00:53:32,440 --> 00:53:35,440
Speaker 1: those are the picks. At number five he's plus one

974
00:53:35,520 --> 00:53:38,080
Speaker 1: twenty five, and then at number six he's even money.

975
00:53:38,760 --> 00:53:41,000
Speaker 1: So that could be a way of kind of approaching

976
00:53:41,000 --> 00:53:45,719
Speaker 1: it where you're sort of like basically like giving yourself

977
00:53:46,960 --> 00:53:50,160
Speaker 1: the shot of him going number five. If he goes

978
00:53:50,239 --> 00:53:52,399
Speaker 1: number six, you don't make any money on it. If

979
00:53:52,400 --> 00:53:55,000
Speaker 1: he goes number five, you make a little bit. That

980
00:53:55,080 --> 00:53:57,240
Speaker 1: could be a way of doing it instead of laying

981
00:53:57,280 --> 00:53:58,960
Speaker 1: the full minus three ninety.

982
00:54:00,080 --> 00:54:01,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, great point.

983
00:54:01,320 --> 00:54:04,120
Speaker 3: And I mean I've been saying this for a while,

984
00:54:04,120 --> 00:54:07,719
Speaker 3: but I'm not ruling out the Jaguars just taking him

985
00:54:07,760 --> 00:54:11,759
Speaker 3: if he's there, because I think the further out we were,

986
00:54:11,840 --> 00:54:14,640
Speaker 3: everyone was kind of baking in. Okay, we're going to

987
00:54:14,760 --> 00:54:16,040
Speaker 3: kind of teams are going to kind of be able

988
00:54:16,040 --> 00:54:18,040
Speaker 3: to trade and kind of move to whatever spots, and

989
00:54:18,040 --> 00:54:20,479
Speaker 3: there's gonna be this demand for quarterbacks and nowe that's

990
00:54:20,520 --> 00:54:24,480
Speaker 3: really materialized, so every team in their current slot may

991
00:54:24,600 --> 00:54:29,440
Speaker 3: just have to default to their board. And yeah, Aston

992
00:54:29,520 --> 00:54:33,280
Speaker 3: gen Z very well may be the bpat at five

993
00:54:33,400 --> 00:54:35,400
Speaker 3: on on the Jags board. I mean he might be

994
00:54:35,880 --> 00:54:39,399
Speaker 3: even the Patriots board at four. If if you go

995
00:54:39,840 --> 00:54:42,960
Speaker 3: word Hunter and Carter one, I.

996
00:54:42,960 --> 00:54:45,839
Speaker 1: Will say it is it is worth mentioning here that

997
00:54:46,120 --> 00:54:49,120
Speaker 1: you know, within the past three or four days, there

998
00:54:49,200 --> 00:54:52,319
Speaker 1: has been the increasing buzz that the Jags might be

999
00:54:52,440 --> 00:54:55,280
Speaker 1: interested in Ashton Janet so much to the point where

1000
00:54:55,280 --> 00:54:58,440
Speaker 1: at number five he is now the market favorite to

1001
00:54:58,520 --> 00:55:01,600
Speaker 1: go number five. Where's Mason Graham, who was like for

1002
00:55:02,080 --> 00:55:04,960
Speaker 1: a long time the chalk pick to the Jags at

1003
00:55:05,000 --> 00:55:08,920
Speaker 1: number five, He's now plus one seventy five behind Ashton genty.

1004
00:55:09,280 --> 00:55:11,879
Speaker 1: So you know, the market kind of does weird things

1005
00:55:11,880 --> 00:55:14,640
Speaker 1: sometimes where it's like, hey, Ashton gent probably shouldn't be

1006
00:55:14,680 --> 00:55:17,600
Speaker 1: favored both at number five and number six, but you

1007
00:55:17,640 --> 00:55:19,239
Speaker 1: know that's where we are. But yeah, I mean the

1008
00:55:19,360 --> 00:55:23,239
Speaker 1: Jags they are live to take Genty at number five.

1009
00:55:24,440 --> 00:55:25,680
Speaker 2: All right, a couple more things.

1010
00:55:25,719 --> 00:55:28,080
Speaker 3: Let's go to wide receiver tight end who kind of

1011
00:55:28,080 --> 00:55:31,120
Speaker 3: book them together as pass catchers. Here, I want to

1012
00:55:31,120 --> 00:55:35,000
Speaker 3: get your thoughts on Teed mcmiller as the number one

1013
00:55:35,320 --> 00:55:36,560
Speaker 3: wide receiver prospect.

1014
00:55:37,520 --> 00:55:40,359
Speaker 2: We've heard everything from he's barely.

1015
00:55:40,080 --> 00:55:42,880
Speaker 3: Cracking the top fifty and then now all of a

1016
00:55:42,920 --> 00:55:44,720
Speaker 3: sudden he might go number five.

1017
00:55:45,160 --> 00:55:45,880
Speaker 2: To the Jags.

1018
00:55:45,920 --> 00:55:48,480
Speaker 3: I feel like the way I see it, I've always

1019
00:55:48,520 --> 00:55:52,080
Speaker 3: thought McMillan was kind of like a un sexy number

1020
00:55:52,120 --> 00:55:56,360
Speaker 3: one wide receiver, and I saw teams potentially getting tempted

1021
00:55:56,360 --> 00:55:58,279
Speaker 3: by the speed of a guy like Golden, and that's

1022
00:55:58,320 --> 00:56:00,640
Speaker 3: why I thought he was going to And it's been

1023
00:56:00,640 --> 00:56:03,520
Speaker 3: about equal in terms of the top thirty visits. But

1024
00:56:04,200 --> 00:56:07,400
Speaker 3: to me, this hype of McMillan going five or six

1025
00:56:09,239 --> 00:56:17,400
Speaker 3: seems like agent driven, like just like a pr what

1026
00:56:17,840 --> 00:56:21,200
Speaker 3: would you call it, like a disaster control After the

1027
00:56:21,640 --> 00:56:24,480
Speaker 3: I think it was mcshae mocked him, said he has

1028
00:56:24,480 --> 00:56:26,680
Speaker 3: had him like number fifty on his big board, and

1029
00:56:26,680 --> 00:56:29,160
Speaker 3: then there was a report that a few teams had

1030
00:56:29,239 --> 00:56:30,680
Speaker 3: him barely cracking the top fifty.

1031
00:56:30,800 --> 00:56:33,279
Speaker 2: So I'm not really buying it with him.

1032
00:56:33,320 --> 00:56:35,880
Speaker 3: But where are you on McMillan, And you know you

1033
00:56:35,960 --> 00:56:39,360
Speaker 3: have him going to Dallas right now at number twelve,

1034
00:56:39,480 --> 00:56:42,440
Speaker 3: so I'm guessing you're still high on him as a

1035
00:56:42,440 --> 00:56:44,360
Speaker 3: prospect or is that just realistically?

1036
00:56:44,360 --> 00:56:45,200
Speaker 2: Where do you think he's going?

1037
00:56:46,280 --> 00:56:48,719
Speaker 1: I think he has a wider range of outcomes than

1038
00:56:49,000 --> 00:56:54,920
Speaker 1: Matthew Golden. I would say Golden is pretty locked in

1039
00:56:55,000 --> 00:56:56,759
Speaker 1: to round one to the point where like I would

1040
00:56:56,760 --> 00:56:59,160
Speaker 1: be surprised if he fell out of round one. If

1041
00:56:59,239 --> 00:57:02,840
Speaker 1: McMillan felt out of round one, it wouldn't be a surprise.

1042
00:57:03,320 --> 00:57:08,280
Speaker 1: But I still think McMillan is likelier to go ahead

1043
00:57:08,320 --> 00:57:13,480
Speaker 1: of Golden in this draft, whether that's to the Cowboys,

1044
00:57:13,640 --> 00:57:16,480
Speaker 1: whether it is you know, like some team that actually

1045
00:57:16,640 --> 00:57:19,560
Speaker 1: like maybe likes him in the top ten. You know,

1046
00:57:19,600 --> 00:57:22,680
Speaker 1: I'm skeptical on that at this point, but I still

1047
00:57:22,720 --> 00:57:27,000
Speaker 1: think McMillan is ahead of Golden. Now where it starts

1048
00:57:27,000 --> 00:57:29,400
Speaker 1: to get a little more interesting is when you do

1049
00:57:29,480 --> 00:57:32,840
Speaker 1: look at the particular teams. Maybe the Cowboys would actually

1050
00:57:32,880 --> 00:57:36,680
Speaker 1: prefer Golden to McMillan. And and you know, I have

1051
00:57:36,880 --> 00:57:41,600
Speaker 1: heard that there are some sharp mock drafters who maybe

1052
00:57:41,600 --> 00:57:46,320
Speaker 1: have connections to people in the Dallas you know organization,

1053
00:57:46,720 --> 00:57:49,360
Speaker 1: who will say they prefer Golden. But at the same time,

1054
00:57:49,640 --> 00:57:51,520
Speaker 1: I've listened to stuff like that in the past and

1055
00:57:51,560 --> 00:57:54,439
Speaker 1: then it just ends up being wrong. So I tend

1056
00:57:54,440 --> 00:57:56,480
Speaker 1: to go with what I see in the market and

1057
00:57:56,520 --> 00:58:02,240
Speaker 1: what I see in sharp mocks. And right now, seventy

1058
00:58:03,080 --> 00:58:06,680
Speaker 1: of the recent sharp mocks still have McMillan going ahead

1059
00:58:06,680 --> 00:58:09,640
Speaker 1: of Golden, So I still have McMillan as my number

1060
00:58:09,720 --> 00:58:13,680
Speaker 1: one wide receiver. He was productive for multiple seasons. He's

1061
00:58:13,720 --> 00:58:17,440
Speaker 1: the only like, big bodied wide receiver in this class

1062
00:58:17,800 --> 00:58:22,560
Speaker 1: who has you know, significant production for multiple seasons. And

1063
00:58:22,680 --> 00:58:26,440
Speaker 1: I would say, like quote unquote good enough athleticism, Like

1064
00:58:26,520 --> 00:58:29,080
Speaker 1: it's just not a great wide receiver class, and McMillan

1065
00:58:29,240 --> 00:58:31,360
Speaker 1: is really the only guy like that. And of course

1066
00:58:31,680 --> 00:58:34,479
Speaker 1: there are the questions about whether this guy actually quote

1067
00:58:34,520 --> 00:58:37,200
Speaker 1: unquote loves football, you know, like if he's if he's

1068
00:58:37,200 --> 00:58:39,960
Speaker 1: not grinding tape, if he's not looking at wide receivers

1069
00:58:40,040 --> 00:58:42,760
Speaker 1: running their house or like studying opposing cornerbacks or stuff

1070
00:58:42,800 --> 00:58:45,600
Speaker 1: like that, that's the kind of thing that tends not

1071
00:58:45,680 --> 00:58:49,920
Speaker 1: to do well with coaches, right, So and I would say,

1072
00:58:49,960 --> 00:58:52,680
Speaker 1: like McMillan on his own, like maybe there are certain

1073
00:58:52,720 --> 00:58:55,320
Speaker 1: types of wide receivers or players who are just talented

1074
00:58:55,440 --> 00:58:58,880
Speaker 1: enough to get away with not really preparing, not watching film.

1075
00:58:59,120 --> 00:59:02,080
Speaker 1: I don't think McMillan is that talented. So if he's

1076
00:59:02,120 --> 00:59:06,200
Speaker 1: not really like doing the work and he's not like

1077
00:59:06,240 --> 00:59:09,400
Speaker 1: a great athlete, and he goes to a situation where

1078
00:59:09,400 --> 00:59:12,880
Speaker 1: it's like low round one capital or like round two capital,

1079
00:59:13,120 --> 00:59:15,320
Speaker 1: you put all together and it's like, ah, I don't

1080
00:59:15,320 --> 00:59:17,240
Speaker 1: know if this is gonna be a great situation, But

1081
00:59:17,800 --> 00:59:21,000
Speaker 1: right now I still think he deserves in Monks to

1082
00:59:21,120 --> 00:59:25,080
Speaker 1: go ahead of Matthew Golden. But that's still something totally

1083
00:59:25,080 --> 00:59:26,840
Speaker 1: different from how is this guy going to do in

1084
00:59:26,840 --> 00:59:31,600
Speaker 1: the NFL? And I'm increasingly a little more skeptical on that.

1085
00:59:32,520 --> 00:59:34,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, I am too.

1086
00:59:36,080 --> 00:59:41,920
Speaker 3: I I think these days, that big body, wide receiver

1087
00:59:42,040 --> 00:59:46,920
Speaker 3: type you gotta be good, and uh, it's just more

1088
00:59:46,960 --> 00:59:50,080
Speaker 3: forgiving when you have speed, even if you aren't quite

1089
00:59:50,160 --> 00:59:53,800
Speaker 3: as sharp at other things or even as talented. I mean,

1090
00:59:54,240 --> 00:59:55,960
Speaker 3: you're gonna you're just gonna get the ball more, even

1091
00:59:56,000 --> 00:59:58,640
Speaker 3: from a fantasy. I mean, look at xavier' worthy and

1092
00:59:58,680 --> 01:00:01,080
Speaker 3: how many questions there were about hand and then by

1093
01:00:01,120 --> 01:00:03,000
Speaker 3: the end of the middle end of the year, he's

1094
01:00:03,120 --> 01:00:06,360
Speaker 3: just getting force fit force fit. It's just teams covet speed.

1095
01:00:06,920 --> 01:00:10,880
Speaker 3: And I think McMillan, if you look at Ady P.

1096
01:00:11,000 --> 01:00:15,800
Speaker 3: McMillan's going wide receiver twenty eight and Golden is going.

1097
01:00:15,560 --> 01:00:17,000
Speaker 2: Wide receiver forty four.

1098
01:00:17,360 --> 01:00:20,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's too big of a split, given

1099
01:00:20,840 --> 01:00:24,720
Speaker 3: that there's maybe more. It's probably like sixty forty and

1100
01:00:24,760 --> 01:00:28,480
Speaker 3: you're saying more like seventy thirty, but it's still it's

1101
01:00:28,480 --> 01:00:29,320
Speaker 3: not a given.

1102
01:00:29,080 --> 01:00:31,320
Speaker 2: That Millan even goes before him.

1103
01:00:31,400 --> 01:00:33,480
Speaker 3: And the interesting thing I want to get to is

1104
01:00:34,320 --> 01:00:36,080
Speaker 3: you have Golden going.

1105
01:00:37,280 --> 01:00:38,720
Speaker 2: To the Rams at twenty six.

1106
01:00:38,840 --> 01:00:41,200
Speaker 3: Now, you mentioned when we were all fair that you

1107
01:00:41,240 --> 01:00:43,240
Speaker 3: probably would mock up to the Packers.

1108
01:00:42,800 --> 01:00:46,840
Speaker 1: Now right, Yeah, so I think so? Yeah?

1109
01:00:46,960 --> 01:00:47,560
Speaker 2: Oh sorry, I was.

1110
01:00:47,520 --> 01:00:51,680
Speaker 3: Just gonna say, because the Rams not really an attractive

1111
01:00:51,720 --> 01:00:53,560
Speaker 3: fantasy landings, but by at least in year one, if

1112
01:00:53,600 --> 01:00:58,320
Speaker 3: you have Puka and Davonte, who are just massive target hogs.

1113
01:00:58,320 --> 01:01:00,560
Speaker 2: So if McMillan, let's say.

1114
01:01:00,400 --> 01:01:06,520
Speaker 3: Golden kind of flipped or just let's say the Cowboys

1115
01:01:07,040 --> 01:01:11,000
Speaker 3: don't take McMillan and he could go to the Packers,

1116
01:01:11,040 --> 01:01:12,760
Speaker 3: he could go to the Rams, he could go to

1117
01:01:12,800 --> 01:01:16,040
Speaker 3: one of these other landing spots. I mean, why would

1118
01:01:16,080 --> 01:01:20,360
Speaker 3: you still be buying him at wide receiver twenty eight

1119
01:01:20,520 --> 01:01:23,640
Speaker 3: in Best Ball or do you think there's more downside?

1120
01:01:24,920 --> 01:01:28,240
Speaker 1: I think there's more downside with McMillan at wide receiver

1121
01:01:28,320 --> 01:01:30,840
Speaker 1: twenty eight. With Golden you have the added buffer and

1122
01:01:30,880 --> 01:01:33,120
Speaker 1: then the added buffer, so you have the added ADP

1123
01:01:33,280 --> 01:01:36,520
Speaker 1: buffer and then like the buffer of like he like

1124
01:01:36,560 --> 01:01:40,200
Speaker 1: he did well at ut his first year, wasn't expected

1125
01:01:40,240 --> 01:01:42,960
Speaker 1: to be the number one receiver and he ended up

1126
01:01:43,240 --> 01:01:48,240
Speaker 1: stealing that job. But the wide receiver teams in this

1127
01:01:48,360 --> 01:01:52,439
Speaker 1: draft for round one, the Cowboys are like clearly kind

1128
01:01:52,440 --> 01:01:55,720
Speaker 1: of like anchored to wide receiver in mocks. Who knows

1129
01:01:55,720 --> 01:01:58,320
Speaker 1: if they actually do that, but they need a wide receiver,

1130
01:01:58,760 --> 01:02:01,320
Speaker 1: and whoever goes there could end up being like a

1131
01:02:01,320 --> 01:02:04,960
Speaker 1: pretty decent wide receiver too. But Seattle could be a

1132
01:02:05,000 --> 01:02:08,760
Speaker 1: team that takes a wide receiver, Green Bay, the Rams,

1133
01:02:08,880 --> 01:02:13,200
Speaker 1: and then also Houston in all of those situations, Like

1134
01:02:13,760 --> 01:02:18,280
Speaker 1: I'm not super enamored with it, but there is still

1135
01:02:18,320 --> 01:02:20,200
Speaker 1: like at least the room of like if you're with

1136
01:02:20,240 --> 01:02:23,160
Speaker 1: the Packers, you have a good quarterback, if you're with

1137
01:02:23,200 --> 01:02:26,480
Speaker 1: the Rams, a good quarterback. The same thing with the

1138
01:02:26,520 --> 01:02:30,640
Speaker 1: Texans the Seahawks. Maybe a good quarterback, but you got

1139
01:02:30,640 --> 01:02:33,920
Speaker 1: to compete with other guys there who are target hogs.

1140
01:02:34,040 --> 01:02:37,680
Speaker 1: So it's not a great situation for Golden if he

1141
01:02:37,720 --> 01:02:39,560
Speaker 1: falls to one of those other teams and doesn't go

1142
01:02:39,640 --> 01:02:42,640
Speaker 1: to the Cowboys. But at least I still think that

1143
01:02:42,720 --> 01:02:45,800
Speaker 1: he's talented and he could have a good quarterback, and

1144
01:02:45,800 --> 01:02:48,840
Speaker 1: at the reduced ADP, I would be much more desirous

1145
01:02:48,880 --> 01:02:52,000
Speaker 1: to invest in him versus Ted McMillan. If it's Golden

1146
01:02:52,440 --> 01:02:55,600
Speaker 1: going to the Cowboys at number twelve, then that's pretty exciting.

1147
01:02:55,680 --> 01:02:56,000
Speaker 1: I think.

1148
01:02:56,840 --> 01:02:59,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think the Cowboys are just far and away

1149
01:02:59,840 --> 01:03:02,400
Speaker 3: the best wide receiver landing spot just because they have

1150
01:03:02,560 --> 01:03:07,320
Speaker 3: that opening. You know, Jayalen Tobert, I think that's gonna

1151
01:03:07,320 --> 01:03:10,600
Speaker 3: be you know, he's not locked in, uh to a role,

1152
01:03:11,040 --> 01:03:13,280
Speaker 3: so it's really ceedee Lamb and just a bunch of

1153
01:03:13,280 --> 01:03:14,400
Speaker 3: other guys.

1154
01:03:15,000 --> 01:03:16,560
Speaker 2: Now we're going along. So I want to get to

1155
01:03:16,600 --> 01:03:17,000
Speaker 2: the tight end.

1156
01:03:17,120 --> 01:03:21,280
Speaker 3: So just give me a yes no on the on

1157
01:03:21,360 --> 01:03:27,600
Speaker 3: these real quick a Mecca Buca, Uh will he beat wide.

1158
01:03:27,440 --> 01:03:30,520
Speaker 2: Receiver forty five year one? No?

1159
01:03:31,520 --> 01:03:35,840
Speaker 3: And uh Luther Burden one hundred and sixty sixth overall?

1160
01:03:36,320 --> 01:03:37,400
Speaker 2: Will he beat that? ADP?

1161
01:03:38,240 --> 01:03:38,320
Speaker 3: No?

1162
01:03:39,280 --> 01:03:41,680
Speaker 2: Okay, uh okay. I want to close the.

1163
01:03:41,640 --> 01:03:44,880
Speaker 3: Tight end, and I'm interested in Bird. I think Burden's

1164
01:03:45,040 --> 01:03:47,240
Speaker 3: a really interesting prospect for what is worst.

1165
01:03:47,320 --> 01:03:50,360
Speaker 1: So but he's he's interesting. He's interesting.

1166
01:03:50,520 --> 01:03:52,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, and again.

1167
01:03:51,880 --> 01:03:54,680
Speaker 3: You know, teams just kind of they're gonna be excited

1168
01:03:54,680 --> 01:03:56,600
Speaker 3: about a guy like him. But I do want to

1169
01:03:56,600 --> 01:03:59,400
Speaker 3: talk about tight end because tight end two potential guys

1170
01:03:59,440 --> 01:04:01,640
Speaker 3: could go into half of the draft of the first round,

1171
01:04:02,080 --> 01:04:08,160
Speaker 3: Tyler Warren and Coaston Lovelin. Now you had Warren going

1172
01:04:08,680 --> 01:04:12,880
Speaker 3: from number fourteen to Indian your prior mock to your

1173
01:04:12,960 --> 01:04:16,000
Speaker 3: latest one. You have him now going number ten to

1174
01:04:16,040 --> 01:04:19,480
Speaker 3: the Chicago Bears. Now that's obviously you know, you know,

1175
01:04:19,520 --> 01:04:22,320
Speaker 3: expect Genti to make it to them. So you have

1176
01:04:22,400 --> 01:04:28,960
Speaker 3: them taking Warren there, what is a realistic expectation for him,

1177
01:04:29,040 --> 01:04:31,840
Speaker 3: because I mean brock Bower's probably spoiled us a little bit,

1178
01:04:32,480 --> 01:04:35,080
Speaker 3: but Warren is, you know, he's in that same range

1179
01:04:35,480 --> 01:04:37,640
Speaker 3: of the draft, So what what is your kind of

1180
01:04:37,720 --> 01:04:40,800
Speaker 3: expectation for him stat line wise? And he's going tight

1181
01:04:40,880 --> 01:04:42,320
Speaker 3: and eight in bestball, right.

1182
01:04:42,680 --> 01:04:45,760
Speaker 1: I mean, if if a rookie had eight hundred yards

1183
01:04:45,800 --> 01:04:49,600
Speaker 1: receiving as a as a tight end, that would be

1184
01:04:49,680 --> 01:04:51,520
Speaker 1: enough for us to be like, oh, this guy's gonna

1185
01:04:51,560 --> 01:04:54,360
Speaker 1: be good in the NFL, Like that would be enough

1186
01:04:54,400 --> 01:04:58,920
Speaker 1: to get us excited. And brock Bauers crushed that last year, Like,

1187
01:04:59,320 --> 01:05:03,280
Speaker 1: we should not be expecting anything close to brock Bauers

1188
01:05:03,320 --> 01:05:06,800
Speaker 1: out of any rookie tight end moving forward. So I

1189
01:05:06,840 --> 01:05:11,000
Speaker 1: would say, you know, maybe we get eight hundred yards

1190
01:05:11,600 --> 01:05:14,720
Speaker 1: out of Warren but even that feels aggressive. I would

1191
01:05:14,760 --> 01:05:17,400
Speaker 1: say like six hundred yards would be like a more

1192
01:05:17,440 --> 01:05:22,160
Speaker 1: realistic but like still kind of like promising rookie tight

1193
01:05:22,240 --> 01:05:26,320
Speaker 1: end season. I think that's that would be something realistic

1194
01:05:26,400 --> 01:05:30,000
Speaker 1: for him and for Loveland, but that's still like on

1195
01:05:30,040 --> 01:05:33,760
Speaker 1: the higher range of outcomes, like really we should expect

1196
01:05:33,800 --> 01:05:36,920
Speaker 1: something like five hundred yards or something like that, you know,

1197
01:05:37,440 --> 01:05:42,560
Speaker 1: But I think both of those guys are good. Warren

1198
01:05:42,760 --> 01:05:47,080
Speaker 1: is a little more questionable for me, just because he's

1199
01:05:47,160 --> 01:05:50,960
Speaker 1: kind of like, I don't know. People will say that

1200
01:05:51,000 --> 01:05:53,440
Speaker 1: he's kind of an inline player, but he's sort of

1201
01:05:53,480 --> 01:05:56,320
Speaker 1: like a do everything type of guy, and like they

1202
01:05:56,320 --> 01:05:58,320
Speaker 1: gave him the ball a lot as a runner, which

1203
01:05:58,400 --> 01:06:01,680
Speaker 1: like he was a super exciting his player, but like

1204
01:06:01,800 --> 01:06:04,680
Speaker 1: he's older, didn't break out until his final year, and

1205
01:06:04,720 --> 01:06:08,479
Speaker 1: we don't have like athletic testing data for him, which

1206
01:06:08,560 --> 01:06:11,440
Speaker 1: is like, okay, he could be, Like he could just

1207
01:06:11,920 --> 01:06:14,200
Speaker 1: not be Jeremy Shockey. People are saying that he is,

1208
01:06:14,240 --> 01:06:17,000
Speaker 1: but like maybe he's just not as good of a

1209
01:06:17,040 --> 01:06:20,800
Speaker 1: player as we think. But like I'm excited enough about

1210
01:06:20,840 --> 01:06:25,280
Speaker 1: his like multi variable skill set to where, uh, I

1211
01:06:25,320 --> 01:06:28,600
Speaker 1: think he will be good in the NFL tight end

1212
01:06:28,640 --> 01:06:30,520
Speaker 1: eight feel is very aggressive, though.

1213
01:06:31,800 --> 01:06:34,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I think it does go back a

1214
01:06:34,960 --> 01:06:42,520
Speaker 3: little bit to draft capital, and I do think with

1215
01:06:42,640 --> 01:06:45,240
Speaker 3: the tight end position as far as rookies, because you know,

1216
01:06:45,760 --> 01:06:47,560
Speaker 3: for so long in the NFL, it was just such

1217
01:06:47,560 --> 01:06:50,680
Speaker 3: a hard position to grasp as a rookie and because

1218
01:06:50,680 --> 01:06:53,040
Speaker 3: you had you had your blocking responsibilities and you had

1219
01:06:53,080 --> 01:06:56,840
Speaker 3: your your pass catcher responsibilities. But it's changing a little

1220
01:06:56,840 --> 01:06:59,720
Speaker 3: bit more now with uh, you know, the wee going

1221
01:06:59,720 --> 01:07:02,080
Speaker 3: with him are kind of just pass heavy in general,

1222
01:07:02,120 --> 01:07:04,760
Speaker 3: and you are starting to see rookie tight ends breakout sooner.

1223
01:07:05,240 --> 01:07:08,560
Speaker 2: If you were to go to Chicago, you.

1224
01:07:08,520 --> 01:07:12,560
Speaker 3: Do have Ben Johnson there and that you know Laporta

1225
01:07:12,600 --> 01:07:16,000
Speaker 3: a couple of years ago highly used as a rookie.

1226
01:07:16,040 --> 01:07:18,280
Speaker 3: So I do think there's that upside of tight end eight,

1227
01:07:18,360 --> 01:07:24,000
Speaker 3: but that's probably as high as I want to go,

1228
01:07:24,080 --> 01:07:26,160
Speaker 3: and I think he's already being taken pretty close to

1229
01:07:26,240 --> 01:07:28,240
Speaker 3: his his ceiling. Tight ends though, is going to be

1230
01:07:28,240 --> 01:07:31,000
Speaker 3: a wasteland, So I don't I don't really mind taking

1231
01:07:31,000 --> 01:07:34,040
Speaker 3: a shot here, but I do want to get your

1232
01:07:34,800 --> 01:07:38,600
Speaker 3: thoughts on a specific situation that I see unfolding with

1233
01:07:38,640 --> 01:07:41,840
Speaker 3: this with these two rookie tight ends, Warren and Loveland,

1234
01:07:42,360 --> 01:07:45,560
Speaker 3: both of them at different times, were very popular selections

1235
01:07:45,560 --> 01:07:47,640
Speaker 3: for the Colts at fourteen. Right now you have Loveland

1236
01:07:47,640 --> 01:07:52,240
Speaker 3: going to the Colts. Who's throwing them the ball? Like, like,

1237
01:07:52,560 --> 01:07:55,480
Speaker 3: I feel like there could be like if you just

1238
01:07:56,240 --> 01:07:59,200
Speaker 3: put them on some of the other teams. I mean,

1239
01:08:00,360 --> 01:08:04,760
Speaker 3: I even feel better. I think about Warren going to.

1240
01:08:04,720 --> 01:08:09,400
Speaker 2: The Jets and jessin fields then the Colts given their

1241
01:08:10,040 --> 01:08:12,640
Speaker 2: quarterback situation as of now, So do you do you

1242
01:08:12,760 --> 01:08:16,240
Speaker 2: think that like if Loveland indeed or it ends up

1243
01:08:16,280 --> 01:08:18,479
Speaker 2: being Warren, Like how big of a hit is that?

1244
01:08:19,720 --> 01:08:24,200
Speaker 1: It's it's really big because obviously you've got the quarterback situation,

1245
01:08:25,280 --> 01:08:29,000
Speaker 1: you have decent pass catchers there already, and Michael Pittman

1246
01:08:29,080 --> 01:08:32,800
Speaker 1: Junior and Josh downs Down specifically as a middle of

1247
01:08:32,840 --> 01:08:37,800
Speaker 1: the field Maven who demands targets. And then and I'll say,

1248
01:08:37,840 --> 01:08:40,240
Speaker 1: I don't know how big of a hindrance this is.

1249
01:08:41,080 --> 01:08:42,920
Speaker 1: And I would say, like if you have six tight

1250
01:08:43,000 --> 01:08:45,679
Speaker 1: ends on your roster already, you don't have any tight ends,

1251
01:08:46,040 --> 01:08:50,599
Speaker 1: but like they've got they've got Moley, Cox, Gelaney Woods,

1252
01:08:50,680 --> 01:08:54,599
Speaker 1: Drew Ogletree, Will Mallory, Like they have guys that they've

1253
01:08:54,640 --> 01:08:58,800
Speaker 1: given enough targets to in the past to where it's

1254
01:08:58,840 --> 01:09:03,400
Speaker 1: not guaranteed that whoever is drafted in the first round

1255
01:09:03,400 --> 01:09:07,120
Speaker 1: and goes there automatically has a route rate of like

1256
01:09:07,280 --> 01:09:11,519
Speaker 1: eighty percent or something like that. Like that rookie probably

1257
01:09:11,560 --> 01:09:15,040
Speaker 1: will have to compete with other veterans who have been

1258
01:09:15,040 --> 01:09:17,799
Speaker 1: in the building for a while and who have siphoned

1259
01:09:17,840 --> 01:09:20,760
Speaker 1: off targets in the past. So you put all that

1260
01:09:20,840 --> 01:09:25,679
Speaker 1: together and it's a negative situation. So yeah, I think

1261
01:09:25,720 --> 01:09:28,400
Speaker 1: it is likely that the Colts do take a tight end,

1262
01:09:28,400 --> 01:09:32,360
Speaker 1: if not on day one, on day two. But man,

1263
01:09:32,600 --> 01:09:36,440
Speaker 1: the situation for that guy I think will be suboptimal.

1264
01:09:38,080 --> 01:09:43,560
Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, it's definitely gonna be suboptimal. But I

1265
01:09:44,920 --> 01:09:47,120
Speaker 3: feel like the Colts would just cut all those guys

1266
01:09:47,200 --> 01:09:49,280
Speaker 3: right now. Like, I don't think any of.

1267
01:09:49,200 --> 01:09:50,519
Speaker 2: Those guys is going to factor in.

1268
01:09:52,120 --> 01:09:56,519
Speaker 3: I do agree that, like there could be maybe either

1269
01:09:56,560 --> 01:09:59,839
Speaker 3: an old tree or a cock somebody who's if it's Lovelin,

1270
01:10:00,040 --> 01:10:04,280
Speaker 3: somebody who's more of the traditional inline guy. But I

1271
01:10:04,280 --> 01:10:06,960
Speaker 3: would you know, if it was Warren going there, I

1272
01:10:07,000 --> 01:10:09,519
Speaker 3: would I would be a lot more worried about that

1273
01:10:09,560 --> 01:10:12,800
Speaker 3: tight end eight just because of all the other reasons

1274
01:10:12,880 --> 01:10:15,479
Speaker 3: you mentioned you know, there's other guys there. We don't

1275
01:10:15,479 --> 01:10:18,080
Speaker 3: know what's going on quarterbacks, so uh, there is some

1276
01:10:18,200 --> 01:10:21,840
Speaker 3: kind there is some kind of uncertainty there, some risk,

1277
01:10:21,960 --> 01:10:25,160
Speaker 3: I guess you could say with uh, with whoever one

1278
01:10:25,240 --> 01:10:27,680
Speaker 3: of those two guys fall into the Colts are right now,

1279
01:10:28,000 --> 01:10:29,760
Speaker 3: it looks like it's gonna be love one because I

1280
01:10:29,800 --> 01:10:34,800
Speaker 3: don't think Warren is especially in this underwhelming, uh first round.

1281
01:10:34,840 --> 01:10:36,639
Speaker 3: I don't know how many first round grades the teams

1282
01:10:36,680 --> 01:10:38,960
Speaker 3: even have on on prospects, but I do think a

1283
01:10:38,960 --> 01:10:42,960
Speaker 3: lot of teams are do have first round grade on Warren,

1284
01:10:43,080 --> 01:10:45,880
Speaker 3: So I do think he'll he will be off the

1285
01:10:45,880 --> 01:10:47,760
Speaker 3: board before the Colts pick, unless.

1286
01:10:47,479 --> 01:10:50,519
Speaker 1: They I agree. I think Warren is top ten. Yeah.

1287
01:10:51,840 --> 01:10:55,120
Speaker 3: Okay, so real quick before we get out of here,

1288
01:10:55,520 --> 01:10:59,879
Speaker 3: any bets you like for these pass catcher positions?

1289
01:11:00,280 --> 01:11:02,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, under two and a half wide receivers, which is

1290
01:11:02,680 --> 01:11:07,000
Speaker 1: plus two fifteen. This is a DraftKings. But one thing

1291
01:11:07,160 --> 01:11:09,919
Speaker 1: to note, Travis Hunter does not count for this market,

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Speaker 1: and books tend to be pretty explicit on that that

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Speaker 1: they're counting him as a cornerback because that's how he's

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Speaker 1: listed on NFL dot Com. That's how he was listed

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Speaker 1: at the combine, so Travis Hunter does not count for this,

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Speaker 1: So you're looking at Tet and Golden as the two

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Speaker 1: guys who get into the first round. I will say

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Speaker 1: the under hits. If you're looking at the consensus of

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Speaker 1: sharp mocks, the under hits and forty four percent of

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Speaker 1: recent sharp monks. I think the true number on this

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Speaker 1: should be like plus one twenty five plus one fifty.

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Speaker 1: So getting this at plus two fifteen makes sense. And

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Speaker 1: correlated with this, I would say the over of twenty

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Speaker 1: nine and a half for Amika Igbuca, which is plus

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Speaker 1: two hundred at DraftKings, the over hits in fifty two

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Speaker 1: percent of recent sharp monks. Now here's one thing I

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Speaker 1: think it's worth pointing out, Like I would say a

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Speaker 1: market inefficiency in the mox that have Abuka. He goes

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Speaker 1: under twenty nine and a half and almost all of them,

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Speaker 1: And so I think it can be the kind of

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Speaker 1: thing where someone looks at some mocks they say, oh, well,

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Speaker 1: Abuka is always going under twenty nine and a half,

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Speaker 1: and so they bet the under on that. But the

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Speaker 1: thing is Abuka is missing in half of the mox,

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Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So like the number of

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Speaker 1: twenty nine and a half. That makes sense, and I

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Speaker 1: think it makes sense as like the midway point, but

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Speaker 1: it doesn't make sense for the under in my opinion,

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Speaker 1: to be juiced to like minus three hundred or something

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Speaker 1: like that. So I think the plus two hundred on

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Speaker 1: the over of twenty nine and a half presents some value.

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Speaker 1: And then one more that I'm just gonna check on

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Speaker 1: really quick. I would say that the number one tied

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Speaker 1: end to be selected. I know this. This reminds me

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Speaker 1: quite a bit of like Marvin Harrison versus Molik Neighbors,

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Speaker 1: where there were some teams that legitimately did have Neighbors

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Speaker 1: ahead of Harrison. But it's like, okay, come on, like

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Speaker 1: you can say that, but what sort of matters is

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Speaker 1: what the teams at the top of the board think. Uh,

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Speaker 1: And I'll just say, in not one mock, do I

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Speaker 1: see Loveland ahead of Warren. And I'm sure that there

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Speaker 1: are some teams that do have Loveland rated ahead of Warren,

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Speaker 1: But I don't think Loveland actually will go ahead of Warren.

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Speaker 1: And so Warren to be the number one tight and

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Speaker 1: selected is I say, just just minus three hundred. I

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Speaker 1: feel like that number should be more like minus five

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Speaker 1: hundred or minus eight hundred, just kind of based on

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Speaker 1: what I've read and then what I'm seeing in mock drafts.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I totally agree there.

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Speaker 3: I think you have to have a situation when you're

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Speaker 3: betting those, like an upset between a position of like

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Speaker 3: we did with Henry Ruggs a few years ago, there's

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Speaker 3: a clear thing that stood out where it's where. I

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Speaker 3: just think Warrens are more complete tight end, like you said,

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Speaker 3: and so I don't really think that Lovelin's bringing. You know,

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Speaker 3: he could end up being the better pass catcher in

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Speaker 3: the NFL, but I just don't teams value all the

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Speaker 3: things Warren does a lot.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 3: That's why offensive line is a premium position and tackles

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01:14:15,840 --> 01:14:17,200
Speaker 3: a premium position and whatnot.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, I totally agree.

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Speaker 3: And I also really like your calls on the wide

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Speaker 3: receivers because I I can't see Abuka going around one.

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Speaker 3: I just don't think this year's draft just there doesn't

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Speaker 3: seem to be the appetite for pass catchers like it's

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Speaker 3: it seems more like, okay, teams are kind of confident

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Speaker 3: they can do it on Day two or Day three

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Speaker 3: with these pass catchers there's a lot of kind of

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Speaker 3: intriguing guys that you could get later.

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Speaker 2: On, Guys that have some speed, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 3: So you mentioned Tet is kind of in a class

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Speaker 3: of his own, but it's not like he's blowing people away.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, I don't think Abuka is gonna if Tet falls.

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Speaker 3: I mean even Golden could fall. Because remember the Cowboys

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Speaker 3: are one of the are the first team that we

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Speaker 3: really expect to take.

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Speaker 2: A wide up.

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Speaker 3: The Cowboys in drafts tend to go best player available,

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Speaker 3: not just what they tend to do, so we could

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Speaker 3: all think that they're gonna, you know, they need a

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Speaker 3: w our receiver.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but there's a lot of uncertainty in this draft.

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Speaker 3: If there's a guy that got higher on their board,

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Speaker 3: there's a good chance they will take that player.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, I really like.

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Speaker 3: Those I think I think that under two and a

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01:15:26,600 --> 01:15:29,360
Speaker 3: half wide receivers that feels like more of a lock

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Speaker 3: than that earlier bet we were talking about order.

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Speaker 2: Any juice going later than eight and a half.

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Speaker 3: I would rather bet under two and a half wide

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Speaker 3: receivers to any juice and it's a plus money right now,

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Speaker 3: So yeah, I really like that one.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree with that one. To your point about

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Speaker 1: the Cowboys, I'm saying this as the Cowboys fan. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean everyone thinks they take wide receiver, but they

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Speaker 1: could they could do whatever. Like, they could go offensive line,

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01:15:55,920 --> 01:15:58,439
Speaker 1: they could go defensive line. They could trade up for

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01:15:58,479 --> 01:16:01,840
Speaker 1: a running back, they could trade down for a running back.

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Speaker 1: I mean, they could do lots of different things. It's

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Speaker 1: I think it's always hard to anticipate what the Cowboys

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Speaker 1: are going to do.

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Speaker 2: I mean, it's just all about building around Joe Milton

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Speaker 2: right now.

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Speaker 1: So you know, we got it in there that that one.

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Speaker 3: On that note, great great, great stuff, Matthew Freeman. Tell

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Speaker 3: every roddy where you're at, where they can find you,

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Speaker 3: what's you're up to, all that good stuff.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. So you can find all the work at Fantasy Life.

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Speaker 1: I will have the final mock draft coming out on Thursday.

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Speaker 1: We have a free bet tracker there where I put

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Speaker 1: all of the bets that I'm making for the NFL

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Speaker 1: Draft with the date there, so you can see, you know,

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Speaker 1: kind of what's what's new and what isn't. Uh So, yeah,

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Speaker 1: just be sure to check out all the work there.

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Speaker 1: And then I have to give a shout out to

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Speaker 1: my guy Thorne Eystrom, who does amazing prospect work at

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Speaker 1: Fantasy Life. You know, like I am a draft degenerate,

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Speaker 1: but he takes it to a whole other level that

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Speaker 1: I just wouldn't even want to aspire to. But he

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Speaker 1: has his his top five hundred big board there with

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Speaker 1: player comps for every player in the draft, so fantastic

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Speaker 1: stuff the draft coverage that we have at Fantasy Life.

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Speaker 1: Be sure to check it all out.

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Speaker 2: Definitely, this is a great episode.

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Speaker 3: I really appreciate you joining us, Freeman, and I'll be

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Speaker 3: back tomorrow with Evan Abrams on the Action Network podcast.

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Speaker 3: We'll do best bets heading into the draft, and then

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Speaker 3: we'll have another episode break it down route day one

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Speaker 3: and best bets for Day two and three, So be

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Speaker 3: sure to check that out. Fantasywabs dot com for me

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Speaker 3: and Sean Kerner's initial best ball ranks which will drop

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