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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 2: A beautiful co ed found dead in a pool of

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Speaker 2: blood USC Fraternity Row neighborhood.

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Speaker 1: What happened to Logan? I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories.

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Speaker 1: I want to thank you for being with us.

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Speaker 3: Logan Federico is a twenty two year old girl with

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Speaker 3: a promising bright future ahead, but a weekend trip with

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Speaker 3: friends takes a deadly turn.

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Speaker 2: You know, I don't like what he just said. It

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Speaker 2: takes a deadly turn, like she just got lost somehow

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Speaker 2: and now she's dead in a pool of blood. It

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Speaker 2: was not a deadly turn. She was murdered. At first,

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Speaker 2: we were told she was killed in her sleep, just

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Speaker 2: like we were told in the Coburger prosecution. Oh, the

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Speaker 2: four victims were killed in their sleep, like they fell

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Speaker 2: asleep and they never woke up. That's not what happened there,

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Speaker 2: and that's not what happened here. She was forced out

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Speaker 2: of bed, naked, to kneel, to kneel at the feet

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Speaker 1: That's what happened. Listen to what we know.

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Speaker 4: Investigators believe the suspect breaks into one of the Cypress

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Speaker 4: Street homes and he steals keys to a vehicle and

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Speaker 4: several items, including a firearm. The suspect also breaks into

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Speaker 4: the home next door. These houses are side by side,

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Speaker 4: and he steals several items, including a wallet and credit.

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Speaker 5: And debit cards.

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Speaker 4: While in this residence, we believe that he enters a

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Speaker 4: room where this Logan is located and fires a fatal shot.

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Speaker 2: That from our friends at WLTX and blunt forced media. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: everything he said was right, but it's not like he

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Speaker 2: enters a room where miss Logan is located and.

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Speaker 1: Fires a fatal shot.

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Speaker 2: No, she was dragged, forced out of her bed where

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Speaker 2: she's asleep, buck naked and forced to kneel down on

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Speaker 1: This young co ed girl in the fraternity.

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Speaker 2: Row neighborhood, mining her own business, kneeling down in front

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Speaker 2: of the assailant and he shoots her point blank. That's

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Speaker 2: a lot different from he the enters a room where

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Speaker 2: miss Logan is and fires a fatal shot.

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Speaker 1: It's no, that is not the way this went down.

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Speaker 1: What more do we know?

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Speaker 6: Twenty two year old Logan Federico takes a break from

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Speaker 6: her two jobs in classes at South Piedmont Community College

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Speaker 6: and wax on North Carolina to spend a weekend visiting

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Speaker 6: friends who attend USC and Columbia. South Carolina is firing teacher,

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Speaker 6: let's loosen with their friends. Returning home on Cyprus Street,

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Speaker 6: the group quickly dispersed to their rooms, planning to sleep

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Speaker 6: late Saturday morning, joining us an all star panel.

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Speaker 2: But first, I want to go out to a special

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Speaker 2: guest joining us. We've all heard a fit news before.

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Speaker 2: Fits news leaped to the forefront of the national consciousness

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Speaker 2: when Alex Murdog murdered his wife and son.

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Speaker 1: And joining me right now, Jen Would.

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Speaker 2: Director research at fitsnews dot Com. Jen, thank you for

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Speaker 2: being with us. First of all, where was this? I understand?

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Speaker 2: Is there University of South Carolina forraternity roat neighborhood.

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Speaker 7: So it is a neighborhood that's very popular for students.

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Speaker 7: It's about a half mile to a mile from the

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Speaker 7: University of South Carolina. I'm campus right by five Points

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Speaker 7: where all the kids go to the bars, and a

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Speaker 7: lot of fraternity members have houses there. So yeah, it is.

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Speaker 7: It's you know what, as a parent, you would hope

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Speaker 7: it would be a safe place for your kids to be.

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Speaker 2: Jen would the way this is being portrayed. It makes

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Speaker 2: it sound like she was asleep and then she's dead.

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Speaker 2: That is not at all what happened.

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Speaker 8: No, it is not at all what happened. It was

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Speaker 8: a brutal, brutal homicide. It was so unnecessary, and you know,

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Speaker 8: just seeing this this young woman, you know, starting her

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Speaker 9: And then her.

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Speaker 8: Father, Steve also told me that not only did she

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Speaker 8: die that her epid death, but she'd laid there for

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Speaker 8: seven hours before anybody discovered her.

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Speaker 2: You know what's really interesting too, Mark Pepper joining us

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Speaker 2: from this jurisdiction, a veteran trial lawyer, I might add

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Speaker 2: at the Pepper Law firm, Mark, why is it that

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Speaker 2: we heard so much about the Coburger case, which rightfully

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Speaker 2: we should have because it never did go to trial.

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Speaker 2: No telling them what would have happened if we hadn't

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Speaker 2: been watching it. But nobody is talking about Logan's case.

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Speaker 2: And it's essentially the same scenario. A PERV who goes

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Speaker 2: from house to house to house burgling, and doctor Sherry

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Speaker 2: Schwartz is going to explain the weird thrill burglars get

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Speaker 2: from pilfering around in your home like coburger. He comes in,

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Speaker 2: And at first we're told, oh, it all happened in

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Speaker 2: But that's not what happened. She knew she was being

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Speaker 5: Tragic set of events snow down, and I commend you

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Speaker 5: for bringing attention to it. I will say that it

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Speaker 5: is early in not only the investigation, but the prostitution

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Speaker 5: of the case. And I don't think that this is

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Speaker 5: just a problem that our system provides here in South Carolina,

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Speaker 5: but nationally, law enforcement has to perform their due diligence,

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Speaker 5: just like the defense is entitled to build a defense.

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Speaker 2: I'm sorry, I just right then, but put him up

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Speaker 2: due diligence, my rear end, do you diligence? This guy

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Speaker 2: has a rap sheet as long as I seventy five.

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Speaker 2: He's a career criminal, Jackie. How many entries is twenty

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Speaker 2: five felonies?

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Speaker 1: Okay? Twenty five felonies under his spell.

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Speaker 2: Due diligence and he was out on the street because

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Speaker 2: of a clerical error.

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Speaker 1: That is not due diligence, Pepper, Well.

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Speaker 5: Due diligence should have been done clearly leading up to

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Speaker 5: this event, and it needs to be done now. Nancy.

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Speaker 5: There's an investigation that's going on. We don't know the

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Speaker 5: facts and circumstances than what we've been told, which is

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Speaker 5: not a whole lot from the City of Columbia Police Chief.

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Speaker 5: To your point, I'm simply pointing out that as the

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Speaker 5: investigation continues, I think more will come to light and

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Speaker 5: hopefully maybe we start talking about logan rightfully so. But

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Speaker 5: in the meantime, you know, the defendant is entitled to

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Speaker 5: his day in court. He's going to get his day

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Speaker 5: in court. He's also entitled to the constitutional protections of

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Speaker 5: being a defendant, and I suspect that is being weighed

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Speaker 5: with the interest of the victim and the family, and

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Speaker 5: it's probably being played a little close to the vest

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Speaker 5: at this point. I suspect more information will come out

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Speaker 5: as days development.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, because I'm going to get the information and I'm

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Speaker 2: going to put it.

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Speaker 1: Out there close to the vest.

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Speaker 2: Not releasing information that's a very far cry, Mark Pepper

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Speaker 2: from releasing misinformation.

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Speaker 1: Such as she died in her sleep.

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Speaker 2: It's like she had a bad dream and never woke up,

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Speaker 2: like maybe she had an aneurism or a heart attack,

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Speaker 2: never came back. No, that's not what happened at all.

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Speaker 3: Listen to this Saturday morning. The brothers and their visiting

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Speaker 3: friends are awoken with a start. A gunshot just rang

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Speaker 3: out inside their home. The panic young men and women

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Speaker 2: So it seems as if she was shot dead and

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Speaker 2: then the room was ransacked for money or any other valuable.

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Speaker 1: That's cold.

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Speaker 2: That is cold, And I want to go out to

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Speaker 2: doctor Eric Eason board first board certified forensic pathologist and consultant.

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Speaker 1: You can find him on Facebook.

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Speaker 2: Eric august Esen, doctor Ethon, thank you for being with us,

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Speaker 2: Doctor Eson. Question, she wasn't found for at least seven hours?

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Speaker 2: Will that hander the medical examiner's quest to find out

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Speaker 2: what happened to her? And this is really important, Aeson,

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Speaker 2: because I want to clarify and confirm that she was

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Speaker 2: kneeling down in front of the killer when he shot her,

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Speaker 2: and I'm only gonna be able to corroborate that with

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Speaker 2: the trajectory path of the bullet.

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Speaker 1: Explain.

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Speaker 10: Okay, so yeah, saw it off shotgun. So there would

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Speaker 10: have been multiple pellets involved, whether it was bird shot

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Speaker 10: or buckshot. Multiple pellets would have been recovered from her

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Speaker 10: during the actual autopsy, and the trajectory would have been

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Speaker 10: all over because once pellets entered the body, they go

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Speaker 10: all over the place, and so it's usually going front

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Speaker 10: to back that it's all going up or down. Have

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Speaker 10: this thing called a billiard ball effect. All the pellets

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Speaker 10: just kind of spread once they ender of the body.

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Speaker 2: Doctor Aerry Aeson, Yes, just slowed down. Because that's a

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Speaker 2: lot of information, Okay. A shotgun releases a burst of

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Speaker 2: any other handgun which releases one bullet at a time,

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Speaker 2: unless you guys try to see me, or an automatic anyway,

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Speaker 2: But even with a shotgun releasing multiple pellets, you can

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Speaker 2: still get a trajectory path. Even though there are multiple

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Speaker 2: pellets going different ways, you can get.

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Speaker 11: An overall path once they enter the body. You know,

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Speaker 11: the entrance wound for the pellets is on the chest,

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Speaker 11: on the front of the body. They're all going to

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Speaker 11: go front to back, but some are going to be

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Speaker 1: That's that's sir.

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Speaker 2: Sure you mentioned a sawed off jin wood? Was the

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Speaker 2: weapon a saw off shotgun? Mary Hutchison, help me out here.

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Speaker 2: I've had cases with sawed offs. People carry a saw

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Speaker 2: off because they can conceal it. A shotgun is this big,

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Speaker 2: and a sawed off is this big? Right?

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Speaker 5: Greg?

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Speaker 2: A sawed off in itself is a crime to own

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Speaker 2: a sawt off shotgun is a crime in itself. Bury,

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Speaker 2: What is this convicted felon doing with a sawt off?

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Speaker 12: Well, you know, Nancy, to me, after reviewing the entire case,

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Speaker 12: we're looking at the schematics of the case in itself.

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Speaker 12: I'm looking at the thing as it never should have

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Speaker 12: happened to begin with.

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Speaker 13: Why is this guy on the street.

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Speaker 12: I mean, he's got like you said earlier, he's got

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Speaker 12: a rap sheet as long as your leg, and there's

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Speaker 12: just been a failure on.

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Speaker 5: The level of the judicial system.

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Speaker 12: I mean, it's a shame that this young lady lost

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Speaker 12: her life because of the incomfluence of the system. And

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Speaker 12: I mean, we're looking at everything hindsight twenty twenty from this,

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Speaker 12: but the fact of the matter is in my mind

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Speaker 12: taking place.

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Speaker 2: Hutchinson, I like you man twenty six years in LA

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Speaker 2: law enforcement, detective owner, chief investigator, burying Associates, investigative services.

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Speaker 2: But you're not a preacher. Don't preach to the choir

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Speaker 2: about this guy should have been behind bars. I'm asking you.

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Speaker 2: Is possession of a thawt off shotgun a felony.

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Speaker 12: It's a federal felony, so that would be a yes,

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Speaker 12: it would be a yes.

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Speaker 1: Pepper jump in. What is this guy doing?

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Speaker 2: A career criminal breaking in on this girl in the

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Speaker 2: shadow a fraternity row where everybody spends all their money

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Speaker 2: and their hopes and their dreams, and they get their

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Speaker 2: they get their child into college.

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Speaker 1: And then this guy is skulking around, he's the new

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Speaker 1: Brian Coberger and comes in, gets this girl out.

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Speaker 2: Of bed naked, makes her kneel down in front of

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Speaker 1: And why do I care?

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Speaker 2: Because I believe the prosecutor can prove whether this guy

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Speaker 1: When he murdered her with a sawt off pepper.

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Speaker 5: Which he clearly was not allowed to possess, purchase, or

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Speaker 5: It's not only against federal law, but it's against seat

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Speaker 2: Are you trying to tell me, okay, here you go.

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Speaker 5: It is clearly his fault if he's proven guilty of

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Speaker 5: What I'm seeing is conviction after conviction after conviction. Yet somehow,

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Speaker 9: Unbeknownst to the sleeping college students, A burglar is on

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Speaker 2: How does a beautiful young co ed their off fraternity

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Speaker 4: We believe that he enters a room where the slogan

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Speaker 2: so the perp breaks in. He finds Logan asleep in bed,

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Speaker 8: Yeah, he was on a spending spree.

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Speaker 14: In Steve Frederica, Logan's father said that he was on

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Speaker 2: Oh my stars, straight out to doctor Sherry Schwartz, joining

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Speaker 2: She's the author of Criminal Behavior, where law and psychology

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Speaker 2: He got her out of bed and shot her dead

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Speaker 2: If that's not aggravating circumstances, I don't know what is.

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Speaker 2: She's lying there in a pool of blood, bleeding out

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Speaker 1: That's what I'm talking about. Absolutely.

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Speaker 15: It would surprise me greatly if the state doesn't seek

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Speaker 1: Talking about going in.

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Speaker 15: And shooting her in her sleep is bad, it's horrible,

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Speaker 15: it's the worst. But the argument can be made that

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Speaker 15: Killing her and then stealing her things and going around

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Speaker 2: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, You know, Mark Pepper, I'm

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Speaker 2: just waiting for you to say a burglary gone wrong,

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Speaker 1: Just go ahead and get it out of your system.

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Speaker 1: This is a gone wrong went wrong. It didn't go wrong.

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Speaker 2: You're making it sound like one of those self driving cars.

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Speaker 2: He just drives off the street and kills somebody. Nothing

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Speaker 2: just went wrong. This is steeped with premeditation. He breaks

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Speaker 1: Kneel at his knees like a Jahati.

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Speaker 2: Haven't you seen those horrible videos around September eleven where

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Speaker 2: and he planned to do it. Premeditation could be formed

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Speaker 1: Weeks and months.

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Speaker 2: It can be formed that intent to kill and the

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Speaker 5: It can be But I would argue that the premeditation

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Speaker 5: If it turns out that the gun used to commit

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Speaker 2: There another house, I'm sure you have a premeditation argument.

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Speaker 2: It wasn't found. Logan wasn't sleeping with the gun. He

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Speaker 2: I mean, just go ahead and get it out of

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Speaker 1: It's a burglary gone wrong. I know that's what you

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Speaker 5: It's a burglary really wrong. Okay, it's a burglary gone

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Speaker 5: really wrong. But the premeditated you.

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Speaker 1: Really you really see what was up? You get wrong?

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Speaker 1: It went really wrong?

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Speaker 5: Well, it's premeditation is going to be toughier Nancy. In

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Speaker 5: my opinion, as a trial lawyer, as a defense lawyer,

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Speaker 2: I asked you one quick little drink question. Would you

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Speaker 5: South Drona and Columbia. And I'm very familiar with that.

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Speaker 2: Garry teach you about premeditation malicea forethought, minceorea.

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Speaker 1: Did I assume that was in your criminal so and.

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Speaker 2: You do agree with the universally held rule of law

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Speaker 1: That it can be formed in the blink of an eye.

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Speaker 2: It can be formed in the time it takes you

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Speaker 5: I agree, we don't have elements of murder though in

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Speaker 5: If the elements of murder are met a mouse forethought

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Speaker 5: then not only would it be murder, but to doctor

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Speaker 1: Okay, let me ask you another question. I'm going to

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Speaker 2: South Carolina does have felony murder in the criminal code.

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Speaker 5: Correct, Yes, but that's typically you when it's the hand

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Speaker 5: certain degrees of murder.

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Speaker 1: Do you have felony murder? That's a yes, no, Pepper.

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Speaker 5: Well, yes, murder is a felony offense. Yes.

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Speaker 2: Now, the theory of felony murder, when a death occurs

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Speaker 13: Yes.

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Speaker 5: But typically when we look at the law here.

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Speaker 1: You figured it out. I'm not I'm just a JD.

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Speaker 1: I'm not a DDS.

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Speaker 2: I don't know how to pull a tooth, but I

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Speaker 2: So in South Carolina you have felony murder. Burglary is

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Speaker 5: It does. You're right, it does.

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Speaker 11: Good.

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Speaker 2: Okay, let's get back to the facts. Now that I've

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Speaker 1: Now I know why you win so many cases. You

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Speaker 1: just wear the other side down.

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Speaker 2: You exhaust them till they finally go fine straight probation.

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Speaker 1: Now leave, I get it, now, I get it. Take

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Speaker 1: a listen to this.

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Speaker 6: Investigators catch their suspect on video and recognize him immediately

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Speaker 6: as frequent flyer Alexander Dickey of the nearly forty criminal charges.

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Speaker 6: Alexander Dicky has only been sentenced in eight cases that

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Speaker 6: Dicky pleads guilty to third degree burglary and a sentenced

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Speaker 2: Joining me right now is a very special guest who

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Speaker 2: I have waited anxiously to meet, and angry and wounded

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Speaker 2: father who is distraught not only at his girl's murder,

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Speaker 2: but what he has uncovered about her murder in her sleep.

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Speaker 2: Your fraternity wrote, joining me right now Logan's dad, mister Frederico,

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Speaker 13: You for having me. Really appreciate you taking the time

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Speaker 13: to care about Logan's story.

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Speaker 2: Please do not thank me number one. Okay, talking to

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Speaker 2: energy to keep going. So please tell me what happened,

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Speaker 2: starting with the moment you learned something very horrible had occurred.

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Speaker 13: Well, obviously, you know may third changed our lives for

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Speaker 13: to make I want to make something perfectly clear, and

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Speaker 13: we found this out a couple of weeks ago. My

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Speaker 13: entered the room, she woke and approached him, and he

441
00:26:09,160 --> 00:26:13,040
Speaker 13: made her get on her knees, naked with her hands

442
00:26:13,119 --> 00:26:16,119
Speaker 13: up in front of her, stuck a shotgun in her

443
00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:20,280
Speaker 13: left cage under her breast, and pulled the trigger, leaving

444
00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:24,640
Speaker 13: an itch half whole in her chest. That's what happened,

445
00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:30,679
Speaker 13: was a premeditated execution. The day we found out that

446
00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:37,040
Speaker 13: changed everything May third was a horrible day. But at

447
00:26:37,080 --> 00:26:40,479
Speaker 13: the end of the day, what we're finding out and

448
00:26:40,520 --> 00:26:43,439
Speaker 13: realizing now makes it traumatically worse.

449
00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:51,679
Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.

450
00:26:56,080 --> 00:27:00,080
Speaker 2: Logan's father is telling us what he has learned now.

451
00:27:00,560 --> 00:27:04,639
Speaker 2: The obvious is, mister Federico, that a crime victim. I

452
00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:07,520
Speaker 2: am a crime victim. My fiance was murdered shortly before

453
00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:11,080
Speaker 2: our wedding, and I thought I knew it all, mister Federico,

454
00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:16,600
Speaker 2: until I had my children. I can't even begin to

455
00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:20,359
Speaker 2: think about what you and your family are going through

456
00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:24,800
Speaker 2: when you put all your love, all your love, all

457
00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:30,000
Speaker 2: your time, all your energy, all your money, everything into

458
00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:35,000
Speaker 2: this child. I remember my dad would get off work

459
00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:38,720
Speaker 2: at the railroad long days, drive back in from out

460
00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:44,399
Speaker 2: of town and come to my ball games where I

461
00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:46,440
Speaker 2: was just a cheerleader. Right, I was a cheerleader. I

462
00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:51,160
Speaker 2: wasn't even on the court playing. He never missed one,

463
00:27:51,800 --> 00:27:53,320
Speaker 2: even the ones that were out of town.

464
00:27:53,359 --> 00:27:56,080
Speaker 1: My mom too. And when I think back.

465
00:27:57,440 --> 00:28:01,560
Speaker 2: About all their money to send to college, all their

466
00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:05,680
Speaker 2: money to fix our teeth, just and then just like that,

467
00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:11,159
Speaker 2: it's all gone. How do you learn Logan did not

468
00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:13,679
Speaker 2: die in her sleep the way they wanted us to

469
00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:17,160
Speaker 2: think it. This sounds just like coburger for Pete's sake.

470
00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:20,159
Speaker 13: Yeah, yeah, let's let's not bring him up. That's a

471
00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:25,080
Speaker 13: tragic story, all honest, for those families and what they

472
00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:28,959
Speaker 13: went through, and and in my opinion, they didn't get justice.

473
00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:31,960
Speaker 13: He doesn't. He doesn't deserve to be an oxygen chief

474
00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:35,080
Speaker 13: any longer. He should be put to death immediately, be

475
00:28:35,160 --> 00:28:39,040
Speaker 13: honest with you. But you know, when we learned, unfortunately,

476
00:28:39,040 --> 00:28:41,200
Speaker 13: I wasn't home. I was with some friends out on

477
00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:44,560
Speaker 13: a golf course, you know, when it first happened. But

478
00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:46,160
Speaker 13: when we learned a couple of weeks ago, we had

479
00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:47,960
Speaker 13: a meeting with our attorney just to kind of get

480
00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:50,600
Speaker 13: caught up on some stuff and see where we stood.

481
00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:53,120
Speaker 13: We had him spoken for, you know, a couple weeks

482
00:28:53,160 --> 00:28:58,320
Speaker 13: and which is normal, but we haven't heard from the

483
00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:02,520
Speaker 13: the solicitor from that district, I think it's District five.

484
00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:03,360
Speaker 5: His name is Byron.

485
00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:07,720
Speaker 13: Haven't heard from that team since the day this pos

486
00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:11,360
Speaker 13: had his first bond hearing in that area. You know,

487
00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:14,320
Speaker 13: Dick was able to get a fifteen to twenty minute

488
00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:17,680
Speaker 13: meeting with him where we kind of said what we

489
00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:22,080
Speaker 13: what we thought should happen, and that that that justice

490
00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:26,480
Speaker 13: has to fit the crime, you know, the punishment them

491
00:29:26,560 --> 00:29:30,400
Speaker 13: stating everything's on the table. But again, just haven't heard

492
00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:33,320
Speaker 13: from him. So obviously, Dick and I met a couple

493
00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:36,239
Speaker 13: of weeks ago and just had filled me in on

494
00:29:36,280 --> 00:29:39,000
Speaker 13: some other the details. And that's kind of when we found.

495
00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:41,880
Speaker 1: Out what really who is Dick? Who is Dick?

496
00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:44,360
Speaker 5: Let me understand that Dick's are.

497
00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:47,840
Speaker 13: Our attorney that's representing Logan. To make sure that all

498
00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:53,640
Speaker 13: the eyes gott get crossed. I had a friend reach

499
00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:55,760
Speaker 13: out to me and said, hey, I think you need

500
00:29:55,800 --> 00:29:59,840
Speaker 13: some representation here to make sure logan kind of gets you.

501
00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:04,520
Speaker 13: And obviously I'm not an attorney, but do you know

502
00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:07,280
Speaker 13: a few people. And this great guy reached out to

503
00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:09,800
Speaker 13: me and gave me two names, and I reached out

504
00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:13,120
Speaker 13: to Dick and he kind of let let you know,

505
00:30:13,320 --> 00:30:15,320
Speaker 13: kind of right reached out to me right away and

506
00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:18,640
Speaker 13: let's meet and let's talk about this. And as he

507
00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:23,000
Speaker 13: investigated it, uh, he just found out that, look, they

508
00:30:23,040 --> 00:30:26,320
Speaker 13: the key word here, Nancy really is access, you know.

509
00:30:27,040 --> 00:30:29,200
Speaker 13: And it can be explained in a couple of different ways.

510
00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:33,800
Speaker 13: One is the sheriff's department, which they admittedly already either

511
00:30:33,840 --> 00:30:39,680
Speaker 13: shrewd up the fingerprints, either they forgot to take them,

512
00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:42,760
Speaker 13: or they lost to them, or they were transferred in

513
00:30:42,840 --> 00:30:45,400
Speaker 13: the proper way. They don't know, and they've admitted that.

514
00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:47,240
Speaker 13: And the sheriff now I don't think was the sheriff

515
00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:49,800
Speaker 13: back then, and he's been great. I've talked to him

516
00:30:49,800 --> 00:30:54,200
Speaker 13: once maybe twice. Then to take a look at the

517
00:30:54,440 --> 00:30:59,440
Speaker 13: sled department. You know, everybody in that county from one

518
00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:03,000
Speaker 13: I understand and knew who Alexander Dickhea was. And it

519
00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:05,880
Speaker 13: wasn't from him selling girl Scout cookies, I can tell

520
00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:08,880
Speaker 13: you that. And it wasn't from him stealing nickel pieces

521
00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:13,120
Speaker 13: of azuka from the convenience store. Okay, it was from

522
00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:19,680
Speaker 13: his crimes that he committed since twenty thirteen. Okay, you know,

523
00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:22,720
Speaker 13: then take a look at the solicitors, you know, he

524
00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:27,280
Speaker 13: they want to take the two crimes that the fingerprints

525
00:31:27,280 --> 00:31:29,200
Speaker 13: happen with, Let's throw those out.

526
00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:34,760
Speaker 5: He is twenty two other felonies after the fact. That okay.

527
00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:37,800
Speaker 13: So then in twenty twenty three, from what I understand,

528
00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:42,240
Speaker 13: he goes and commits another arm robbery. Now, like I said,

529
00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:44,240
Speaker 13: I'm not an attorney, but the last time I checked,

530
00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:47,600
Speaker 13: when you're a felon and your call committee a crime

531
00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:50,120
Speaker 13: with a weapon, that's a pretty serious effect.

532
00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:53,080
Speaker 2: So what we have to really want, man, you know it,

533
00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:57,680
Speaker 2: hold on, mister Ferderco. I want everyone to understand exactly

534
00:31:57,760 --> 00:32:02,440
Speaker 2: who we're talking about. Not all those arrests, but twenty

535
00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:04,480
Speaker 2: five felonies.

536
00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:08,560
Speaker 9: Listen, career criminal Alexander Dickey should not have been free

537
00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:11,680
Speaker 9: at the time he is accused of murdering Logan Federico,

538
00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:15,520
Speaker 9: with more than a decade of crimes behind him. Rick Hubbard,

539
00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:18,239
Speaker 9: the Eleventh Circuit Solicitor, at least the blame on a

540
00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:19,280
Speaker 9: clerical error.

541
00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:22,640
Speaker 16: He's committed plenty of other crimes that were on his

542
00:32:22,760 --> 00:32:26,360
Speaker 16: rap sheet that should have justified him being in jail

543
00:32:26,560 --> 00:32:28,920
Speaker 16: at the time. Whether they missed a fingerprint or missed

544
00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:31,840
Speaker 16: a charge on his rap sheet or whatever they call

545
00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:34,360
Speaker 16: that thing. He shouldn't have been in the streets, no

546
00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:34,840
Speaker 16: matter what.

547
00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:40,400
Speaker 2: From our friends at Fitzneeze, A clerical error, whoa what

548
00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:43,640
Speaker 2: twenty five clerical eras where they keep letting him out,

549
00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:48,600
Speaker 2: letting him out, felony after felony after felony. Every prosecutor knows,

550
00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:52,160
Speaker 2: every felony prosecutor knows that when a burglar comes in

551
00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:56,840
Speaker 2: and they find a person, an aggravated assault or a

552
00:32:56,960 --> 00:32:58,160
Speaker 2: murder can happen.

553
00:32:58,480 --> 00:33:01,160
Speaker 1: So when you go it's just a it's not just

554
00:33:01,320 --> 00:33:04,480
Speaker 1: a burglary, and any part with a gun.

555
00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:09,440
Speaker 2: Needs to be stopped right then, no probation, no sweetheart

556
00:33:09,520 --> 00:33:12,360
Speaker 2: deal when somebody's walking around with a gun. I want

557
00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:16,560
Speaker 2: to get back to how you learned that Logan had

558
00:33:16,600 --> 00:33:17,360
Speaker 2: been a victim.

559
00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:18,640
Speaker 1: What happened?

560
00:33:18,760 --> 00:33:21,200
Speaker 13: Two officers had showed up in my house while my

561
00:33:21,240 --> 00:33:23,320
Speaker 13: wife was making some lunch. I think she got back

562
00:33:23,320 --> 00:33:28,720
Speaker 13: from shopping. She saw two officers walk across the front,

563
00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:30,960
Speaker 13: Like I said, we knew where our son was. He

564
00:33:31,040 --> 00:33:33,360
Speaker 13: was seven minutes away. We used like three sixty a lot,

565
00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:36,800
Speaker 13: so we kind of knew where he was. And honestly,

566
00:33:38,280 --> 00:33:40,840
Speaker 13: you know, they opened the door and and Melissa said,

567
00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:43,320
Speaker 13: is it logan, And they basically said, you need to

568
00:33:43,320 --> 00:33:48,320
Speaker 13: take a seat, and then they logan. Melissa called me

569
00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:51,040
Speaker 13: I was out on a golf course about twenty minutes away.

570
00:33:52,560 --> 00:33:56,200
Speaker 13: Obviously immediately left. It took about an hour and fifteen

571
00:33:56,200 --> 00:33:58,880
Speaker 13: minutes to get home because the traffic, and really kind

572
00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:02,760
Speaker 13: of just thought it was a and just a nightmare

573
00:34:02,840 --> 00:34:07,720
Speaker 13: or something mistake. The hard part is, look, you have

574
00:34:07,800 --> 00:34:10,480
Speaker 13: twenty te year old kids, right, you expect a party,

575
00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:14,640
Speaker 13: they're at college, and you know, maybe something else happened.

576
00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:19,160
Speaker 13: But when somebody tells you she was shot, that's a

577
00:34:19,160 --> 00:34:21,960
Speaker 13: whole different ballgame. Then when you find out she was

578
00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:26,560
Speaker 13: shot by somebody that's only thirty years old. Thirty years

579
00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:33,480
Speaker 13: old and has been arrested thirty nine times. Okay, thirty

580
00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:38,040
Speaker 13: years old, arrested thirty nine times, twenty five of them

581
00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:42,120
Speaker 13: are felonies, and it's only done a little over six

582
00:34:42,200 --> 00:34:45,440
Speaker 13: hundred days in jail. Now here's the other thing that

583
00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:48,959
Speaker 13: most people don't know, and nobody will tell us.

584
00:34:49,040 --> 00:34:49,799
Speaker 5: But I know the.

585
00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:53,800
Speaker 13: Judicial system knows this. Within three years of getting released

586
00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:59,480
Speaker 13: from prisons, most offenders are rearrested sixty six percent of

587
00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:03,120
Speaker 13: the time. Within six years, it's about seventy three percent

588
00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:06,840
Speaker 13: of the time. Within ten years, it's eighty three percent

589
00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:10,719
Speaker 13: at a time with state prisons, within ten years, it's

590
00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:14,799
Speaker 13: eighty three percent of the time. Some convicts and most

591
00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:18,600
Speaker 13: that would tell me you can't rehabilitate them. There might

592
00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:22,000
Speaker 13: be year one or two when unfortunately they're the ones

593
00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:24,120
Speaker 13: that have to pay the price for the ones that can't.

594
00:35:24,719 --> 00:35:27,600
Speaker 13: But here's a sad thing. We would never know that

595
00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:31,080
Speaker 13: about Dickie because you never spent any time in jail,

596
00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:32,719
Speaker 13: at least nothing significant.

597
00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:36,440
Speaker 2: When you learned from the officers that showed up at

598
00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:42,399
Speaker 2: your home that Logan was a murder victim, what were

599
00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:45,040
Speaker 2: you told about what happened to her?

600
00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:46,200
Speaker 5: Uh? You know.

601
00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:48,120
Speaker 13: I had to make a phone call to one of

602
00:35:48,160 --> 00:35:52,239
Speaker 13: the detectives that was on seen. I don't remember her name,

603
00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:54,520
Speaker 13: but she filled me in with a few details and

604
00:35:54,560 --> 00:35:56,920
Speaker 13: I was already short and sweet. It was not sweet,

605
00:35:56,920 --> 00:35:58,759
Speaker 13: but it was short, saying, hey, your.

606
00:35:58,719 --> 00:36:02,600
Speaker 2: Daughter was shot so let me understand, mister Federico. You

607
00:36:02,680 --> 00:36:07,359
Speaker 2: call and the detective basically blurts out, your daughter's dead,

608
00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:08,200
Speaker 2: your daughter was shot.

609
00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:08,640
Speaker 1: Bam.

610
00:36:09,120 --> 00:36:11,520
Speaker 5: That that particularly that particular officer.

611
00:36:11,640 --> 00:36:12,640
Speaker 1: Yes, what did you do?

612
00:36:12,719 --> 00:36:12,919
Speaker 2: Then?

613
00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:16,160
Speaker 13: You know what that that set us for a loop.

614
00:36:16,239 --> 00:36:19,520
Speaker 13: That was a total meltdown by my wife and myself.

615
00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:25,920
Speaker 13: That is something that might be and probably is the

616
00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:30,399
Speaker 13: most shocking thing one can hear. Uh, it's it's absolutely

617
00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:32,120
Speaker 13: uh to.

618
00:36:32,080 --> 00:36:34,160
Speaker 5: Hear that you're you're you're you're.

619
00:36:34,040 --> 00:36:36,480
Speaker 13: Now the father of a murder victim. I mean that's

620
00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:40,719
Speaker 13: how age, not proudly in a way, but that's how

621
00:36:40,719 --> 00:36:43,120
Speaker 13: you introduce yourself. I mean, I still have two kids.

622
00:36:43,160 --> 00:36:44,080
Speaker 5: You know, what's your daughter do?

623
00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:44,520
Speaker 10: Uh?

624
00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:48,359
Speaker 13: You know, unfortunately she was she's a murder victim. Murder

625
00:36:48,480 --> 00:36:51,920
Speaker 13: victim from a crime that never had to happen, was

626
00:36:52,200 --> 00:36:54,200
Speaker 13: a thousand percent.

627
00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:57,960
Speaker 2: Preventable mister Federico. After the when the officers came to

628
00:36:58,040 --> 00:37:01,200
Speaker 2: your home, which is every parent's worse nightmare, and you

629
00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:06,640
Speaker 2: know immediately it's logan, what did that officer tell you

630
00:37:06,760 --> 00:37:08,719
Speaker 2: and what if anything, did you do?

631
00:37:09,040 --> 00:37:11,440
Speaker 13: There were like I said, I wasn't home. When I

632
00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:14,359
Speaker 13: got home, there were two officers from our county, from

633
00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:21,160
Speaker 13: Waxhaw where we live, which they were absolutely phenomenal. They

634
00:37:21,239 --> 00:37:24,840
Speaker 13: stayed here as long as we needed them to, and

635
00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:29,040
Speaker 13: be honestly, they both cried like we did, true human beings, fathers.

636
00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:34,799
Speaker 13: I believe they actually Logan's reception volunteered to lead the

637
00:37:34,840 --> 00:37:39,839
Speaker 13: perception to her celebration of life. But they stayed with us.

638
00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:42,239
Speaker 13: They you know, they comfort us. They knew the news

639
00:37:42,320 --> 00:37:46,960
Speaker 13: was brutal and it shook them to their core as well.

640
00:37:47,120 --> 00:37:49,520
Speaker 13: To be perfectly honest with you, two of the finest

641
00:37:50,600 --> 00:37:54,200
Speaker 13: gentlemen I could have possibly asked that, unfortunately give you

642
00:37:54,239 --> 00:37:54,720
Speaker 13: that news.

643
00:37:54,840 --> 00:37:57,880
Speaker 2: Have you been to the scene of the crime?

644
00:37:58,120 --> 00:37:58,560
Speaker 5: You know what?

645
00:37:58,760 --> 00:38:04,160
Speaker 13: Surprisingly, Noah had it. My plan is to visit the

646
00:38:04,160 --> 00:38:09,320
Speaker 13: scene at some point. I just didn't see the point

647
00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:11,520
Speaker 13: as of now, you know, I have.

648
00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:12,480
Speaker 5: I have one minit.

649
00:38:12,600 --> 00:38:14,839
Speaker 2: I'll tell you something, mister Federico.

650
00:38:16,680 --> 00:38:19,160
Speaker 1: I've never gone.

651
00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:21,040
Speaker 2: Back to where my fiance was murdered.

652
00:38:21,600 --> 00:38:21,880
Speaker 1: Why.

653
00:38:22,520 --> 00:38:28,239
Speaker 2: I don't want to because it's hard enough sometimes, especially

654
00:38:28,360 --> 00:38:31,439
Speaker 2: in the years immediately following his murder, it's hard enough

655
00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:34,080
Speaker 2: to put one foot in front of the other. But

656
00:38:34,360 --> 00:38:37,319
Speaker 2: I fear now you know, I'm raising the twins if

657
00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:39,120
Speaker 2: I were to go back there, it would throw me

658
00:38:39,320 --> 00:38:40,560
Speaker 2: into a tail spin.

659
00:38:40,680 --> 00:38:42,600
Speaker 1: And I don't know if I could get out of it.

660
00:38:43,200 --> 00:38:45,279
Speaker 2: And you've got work to do, and if that would

661
00:38:45,320 --> 00:38:47,520
Speaker 2: throw you off, then don't do it.

662
00:38:47,760 --> 00:38:50,440
Speaker 13: It's got a cause now. And I'll tell you what

663
00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:52,760
Speaker 13: there was for a loop was what when we actually

664
00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:56,040
Speaker 13: found out what happened to Logan because we were were

665
00:38:56,080 --> 00:38:56,399
Speaker 13: in the.

666
00:38:56,360 --> 00:39:01,200
Speaker 5: Healing process, my wife, Melissa, and jacob Son, we're all

667
00:39:01,239 --> 00:39:02,880
Speaker 5: doing it kind of our own way.

668
00:39:04,040 --> 00:39:06,680
Speaker 13: And I know this sounds weird, but me getting out

669
00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:10,560
Speaker 13: there and letting people know what happened to Logan and

670
00:39:10,600 --> 00:39:15,200
Speaker 13: how preventable it is, that's my way. That's therapy for me.

671
00:39:16,080 --> 00:39:19,440
Speaker 13: And going back to scene the crime, yeah, I think

672
00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:22,239
Speaker 13: it's just going to set me back to where I

673
00:39:22,280 --> 00:39:22,799
Speaker 13: don't want to be.

674
00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:24,520
Speaker 1: I agree, I hear you.

675
00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:28,879
Speaker 2: I need to find out more to see. When we

676
00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:35,279
Speaker 2: first started investigating Logan's murder, we were told that she

677
00:39:35,400 --> 00:39:38,359
Speaker 2: died in her sleep. See that's also what we were

678
00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:41,880
Speaker 2: told in the Coburger case. And nothing could be further

679
00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:46,960
Speaker 2: than the truth. What have you learned about what happened

680
00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:48,120
Speaker 2: to your girl that night?

681
00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:53,800
Speaker 13: You know, when you find out that your child, especially

682
00:39:53,920 --> 00:39:58,960
Speaker 13: you know your daughter, she's twenty two years old, absolutely beautiful,

683
00:40:00,120 --> 00:40:06,399
Speaker 13: obviously gets that from her mom. But when you hear

684
00:40:06,560 --> 00:40:08,480
Speaker 13: that she was told to get on her knees while

685
00:40:08,560 --> 00:40:12,040
Speaker 13: naked and put her hands up in front of her

686
00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:17,200
Speaker 13: and for no reason he executed her. I mean she

687
00:40:17,320 --> 00:40:19,360
Speaker 13: was five ft four weigh one hundred and fifteen pounds,

688
00:40:19,360 --> 00:40:21,399
Speaker 13: I think, I mean, what was she going to do

689
00:40:21,480 --> 00:40:22,040
Speaker 13: to this guy?

690
00:40:22,440 --> 00:40:22,800
Speaker 5: Nothing?

691
00:40:23,800 --> 00:40:26,759
Speaker 13: So, you know, and look when they found When we

692
00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:29,879
Speaker 13: found out, it was still very early in the investigation,

693
00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:33,720
Speaker 13: you know, and the officers kept me up to speed.

694
00:40:34,280 --> 00:40:38,960
Speaker 13: It seemed like every hour. But you know, sometimes you

695
00:40:39,080 --> 00:40:41,200
Speaker 13: do need the truth to kind of move on. So

696
00:40:41,239 --> 00:40:44,040
Speaker 13: now I kind of know what happened with Logan. I

697
00:40:44,120 --> 00:40:46,360
Speaker 13: kind of know where her mindset was. I do know

698
00:40:46,440 --> 00:40:49,880
Speaker 13: she was probably calling for me, and I'd say probably

699
00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:52,200
Speaker 13: begging for her life and calling for her mom and

700
00:40:52,239 --> 00:40:54,760
Speaker 13: calling for her brother.

701
00:40:57,040 --> 00:41:01,360
Speaker 5: You know, I.

702
00:41:02,040 --> 00:41:08,120
Speaker 13: Could prepare yourself for that, but I had to know something.

703
00:41:10,080 --> 00:41:13,879
Speaker 13: Not that her getting gunned down in her sleep would

704
00:41:13,880 --> 00:41:17,000
Speaker 13: have been any better, But I'll tell you what, her

705
00:41:17,080 --> 00:41:24,040
Speaker 13: being executed and knowing it is a lot worse. I mean,

706
00:41:24,080 --> 00:41:27,560
Speaker 13: that's premeditated. The thirty nine crime just got committed. Who

707
00:41:27,600 --> 00:41:31,640
Speaker 13: couldn't see that this wasn't going to get elevated, Who

708
00:41:31,719 --> 00:41:35,160
Speaker 13: couldn't see that he was going to graduate? His career

709
00:41:35,680 --> 00:41:42,800
Speaker 13: resume for his criminal activities should have justified in twenty fifteen,

710
00:41:42,920 --> 00:41:46,480
Speaker 13: twenty sixteen, or twenty seventeen that he did fifteen to

711
00:41:46,560 --> 00:41:49,240
Speaker 13: twenty five years in prison and then him and Logan

712
00:41:49,360 --> 00:41:55,520
Speaker 13: never meet. Ever. The community down there should be up

713
00:41:55,760 --> 00:42:00,239
Speaker 13: in arms. I wouldn't know how many other people like

714
00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:02,760
Speaker 13: Alexander Dickey are on the streets.

715
00:42:03,600 --> 00:42:09,960
Speaker 2: Think about that, Nancy, You saw the alleged killer in court.

716
00:42:10,200 --> 00:42:10,920
Speaker 1: What happened?

717
00:42:11,080 --> 00:42:14,640
Speaker 13: Well, luckily my wife grabbed my arm because I think

718
00:42:14,640 --> 00:42:17,960
Speaker 13: if any father, I wanted to go over the rail,

719
00:42:18,600 --> 00:42:21,439
Speaker 13: no doubt in my mind, love to have a few

720
00:42:21,480 --> 00:42:25,400
Speaker 13: minutes with him, maybe even an hour. But all he

721
00:42:25,520 --> 00:42:27,680
Speaker 13: said at the end of the end of his end

722
00:42:27,719 --> 00:42:29,640
Speaker 13: of his little here and there, was get me back

723
00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:33,239
Speaker 13: to jail. You know, no remorse, not a care in

724
00:42:33,280 --> 00:42:37,400
Speaker 13: the world, you know, just his typical way of life.

725
00:42:37,640 --> 00:42:39,799
Speaker 2: Tell me about your daughter.

726
00:42:40,200 --> 00:42:46,280
Speaker 13: Ah, yeah, that's a good one. Just a beautiful, beautiful

727
00:42:46,320 --> 00:42:50,200
Speaker 13: young lady with a smile and a laugh that would

728
00:42:50,280 --> 00:42:56,399
Speaker 13: light up a room, brought joy to people and I've

729
00:42:56,440 --> 00:42:58,640
Speaker 13: said this in the past, I'm gonna keep saying. She

730
00:42:58,880 --> 00:43:00,480
Speaker 13: fought for the underdog.

731
00:43:00,560 --> 00:43:00,880
Speaker 5: Nancy.

732
00:43:01,440 --> 00:43:05,320
Speaker 13: She was that person in school, whether it was middle

733
00:43:05,320 --> 00:43:09,800
Speaker 13: school or high school or whichever, that saw those people

734
00:43:09,840 --> 00:43:12,399
Speaker 13: that didn't fit in and pulled them in to try

735
00:43:12,400 --> 00:43:15,240
Speaker 13: to make them fit in. She wanted to help people.

736
00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:18,680
Speaker 13: She wanted to be a teacher. She worked hard, She

737
00:43:18,760 --> 00:43:23,319
Speaker 13: worked two jobs. She was a huge Philadelphia Eagles fan,

738
00:43:23,440 --> 00:43:26,640
Speaker 13: one of the biggest. But she also loved traveling the

739
00:43:26,680 --> 00:43:28,919
Speaker 13: schools of visit her friends. That was her big thing.

740
00:43:29,360 --> 00:43:29,560
Speaker 7: You know.

741
00:43:29,680 --> 00:43:31,800
Speaker 13: She used to go to Clemson the visitor friend Ally,

742
00:43:31,960 --> 00:43:36,400
Speaker 13: she used to go to University of UNC Charlotte to

743
00:43:36,480 --> 00:43:39,560
Speaker 13: visit her friend Eric and all his friends. Then of

744
00:43:39,600 --> 00:43:44,399
Speaker 13: course the University of South Carolina, an APT state. So

745
00:43:44,560 --> 00:43:47,880
Speaker 13: she just she just was really kind of an easy

746
00:43:47,920 --> 00:43:52,960
Speaker 13: person to develop a friendship with. You know, she was loyal.

747
00:43:53,120 --> 00:43:54,280
Speaker 13: She was a loyal friend.

748
00:43:54,680 --> 00:43:56,800
Speaker 1: What did she want to do in life?

749
00:43:56,920 --> 00:43:59,040
Speaker 13: Yeah, she wanted to be a teacher. She finally figured

750
00:43:59,040 --> 00:44:02,799
Speaker 13: it out like a light bulb one off, probably last

751
00:44:02,880 --> 00:44:07,080
Speaker 13: year around this time, she was babysitting full time for

752
00:44:07,160 --> 00:44:13,400
Speaker 13: our extra neighbors too little girls, and just that just

753
00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:15,919
Speaker 13: to lit a light bulb in front of her that says,

754
00:44:15,920 --> 00:44:17,480
Speaker 13: you know what, this is what I need to do,

755
00:44:18,640 --> 00:44:23,160
Speaker 13: And right off the bat, everything changed. Grades, working hard,

756
00:44:23,680 --> 00:44:26,120
Speaker 13: going to school all the time, had structure.

757
00:44:26,600 --> 00:44:29,720
Speaker 5: A couple of weeks, probably before.

758
00:44:29,440 --> 00:44:32,480
Speaker 13: She passed, we'd come up with a game plan that

759
00:44:32,600 --> 00:44:35,840
Speaker 13: the University of Charleston would be her next attempt to

760
00:44:35,880 --> 00:44:38,600
Speaker 13: kind of finish her schooling for teaching. She loved Charleston.

761
00:44:39,200 --> 00:44:43,759
Speaker 13: She had four or five really good friends there, so

762
00:44:43,880 --> 00:44:47,640
Speaker 13: it wouldn't be a strange place for her. But she

763
00:44:47,760 --> 00:44:52,520
Speaker 13: was set. And uh, and you can see if some

764
00:44:52,600 --> 00:44:56,080
Speaker 13: of these pictures are making my heart melt. She just

765
00:44:56,239 --> 00:44:57,960
Speaker 13: was the type of person that people really wanted to

766
00:44:58,000 --> 00:45:01,440
Speaker 13: be around. She would have made difference. You know, we

767
00:45:01,600 --> 00:45:05,120
Speaker 13: meet people in the world that make differences, and we

768
00:45:05,160 --> 00:45:07,359
Speaker 13: lost a good one, and we lost a good one

769
00:45:08,040 --> 00:45:11,160
Speaker 13: for absolutely zero reasons.

770
00:45:11,280 --> 00:45:15,799
Speaker 2: Your daughter an aspiring teacher. What grade did she want

771
00:45:15,840 --> 00:45:16,280
Speaker 2: to teach?

772
00:45:17,880 --> 00:45:21,320
Speaker 13: Probably first second grade? We're elementary preschool. She liked, she

773
00:45:21,480 --> 00:45:24,160
Speaker 13: liked she liked bringing around the young kids and kind

774
00:45:24,160 --> 00:45:26,040
Speaker 13: of being an influence. She wanted to shape them, all

775
00:45:26,080 --> 00:45:28,920
Speaker 13: them to get ready for the later years of school.

776
00:45:30,480 --> 00:45:33,520
Speaker 3: Authorities investigated the shooting death of twenty two year old

777
00:45:33,520 --> 00:45:37,560
Speaker 3: Logan Federico suspecting a career criminal behind the young girl's

778
00:45:37,640 --> 00:45:38,440
Speaker 3: tragic death.

779
00:45:40,120 --> 00:45:46,239
Speaker 2: You're seeing pictures of Logan with her dad. Guys, this

780
00:45:46,520 --> 00:45:51,560
Speaker 2: beautiful young girl, just absolutely beautiful on the inside and

781
00:45:51,600 --> 00:45:58,319
Speaker 2: the out, wakened in her sleep near fraternity row by

782
00:45:58,400 --> 00:46:04,680
Speaker 2: a career chrim. Now she's dead. Her father looking for answers.

783
00:46:05,280 --> 00:46:09,839
Speaker 2: I understand that you became. I understand that you got

784
00:46:09,880 --> 00:46:12,920
Speaker 2: evidence that her ATM card was being used.

785
00:46:13,280 --> 00:46:15,880
Speaker 13: Yes, that was kind of I think, part of the puzzle.

786
00:46:16,880 --> 00:46:21,480
Speaker 13: You know, for some reason, we still had notifications set

787
00:46:21,560 --> 00:46:27,080
Speaker 13: up for her accounts, and I guess sometime in that morning,

788
00:46:27,360 --> 00:46:31,000
Speaker 13: five six in the morning, Melissa started getting emails about

789
00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:34,000
Speaker 13: our account being overdrawn, and I think that really kind

790
00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:39,400
Speaker 13: of started putting the couple of pieces of the puzzle together. Obviously,

791
00:46:40,200 --> 00:46:42,759
Speaker 13: him using the card and other cards that he had

792
00:46:42,840 --> 00:46:47,000
Speaker 13: stolen just just kind of just kind of put him

793
00:46:47,000 --> 00:46:47,520
Speaker 13: everywhere he.

794
00:46:47,560 --> 00:46:48,000
Speaker 5: Needed to be.

795
00:46:48,280 --> 00:46:52,160
Speaker 2: Mister Federica, what is your message tonight? And do you

796
00:46:52,280 --> 00:46:55,160
Speaker 2: believe the state will seek the death penalty in this case?

797
00:46:55,640 --> 00:47:01,239
Speaker 13: You know, that's a tough question. We've had, Like I said,

798
00:47:01,239 --> 00:47:06,000
Speaker 13: we've had no contact with him. Since May fifth. From

799
00:47:06,000 --> 00:47:09,839
Speaker 13: what I read the research I do. No, they're not

800
00:47:09,920 --> 00:47:16,400
Speaker 13: going to why From what I understand, he's never asked

801
00:47:16,440 --> 00:47:19,600
Speaker 13: for the death penalty in any cases. He doesn't believe

802
00:47:19,640 --> 00:47:20,400
Speaker 13: in the death penalty.

803
00:47:20,960 --> 00:47:27,000
Speaker 2: Understand Well, wait, what what the elected district attorney doesn't

804
00:47:27,080 --> 00:47:28,920
Speaker 2: quote believe in the death penalty.

805
00:47:29,000 --> 00:47:29,440
Speaker 5: From what I.

806
00:47:29,480 --> 00:47:33,040
Speaker 13: Understand, and and my point to that is this, if

807
00:47:33,080 --> 00:47:37,640
Speaker 13: you follow the law, Okay, he dots all the i's

808
00:47:37,640 --> 00:47:41,680
Speaker 13: and crosses all the t's for this punishment, like this

809
00:47:42,080 --> 00:47:45,719
Speaker 13: punishment fits the crime. This isn't one of those things

810
00:47:45,719 --> 00:47:47,279
Speaker 13: where you're going to come to me and say, hey,

811
00:47:47,760 --> 00:47:51,319
Speaker 13: he'll admit to the murder if if, if you let

812
00:47:51,400 --> 00:47:58,799
Speaker 13: him live, No thanks, no deal. He deserves the death

813
00:47:58,840 --> 00:48:02,839
Speaker 13: penalty because he took someone's life. He's not he can't

814
00:48:02,880 --> 00:48:08,880
Speaker 13: be rehabilitated. He's proven that time and time again. These

815
00:48:08,920 --> 00:48:15,279
Speaker 13: solicitors have lessened his charges, so he spent zero time

816
00:48:15,320 --> 00:48:17,759
Speaker 13: in jail most of the time. And this is why

817
00:48:17,800 --> 00:48:21,759
Speaker 13: we're at where we are. This is why he had

818
00:48:21,880 --> 00:48:28,600
Speaker 13: access to my daughter. This is why it's not because

819
00:48:28,680 --> 00:48:32,480
Speaker 13: my daughter was at University of South Carolina. It's because

820
00:48:32,520 --> 00:48:36,239
Speaker 13: that piece was okay, and there's a reason why he

821
00:48:36,360 --> 00:48:38,840
Speaker 13: was there. There's a reason why he has a gun,

822
00:48:41,080 --> 00:48:44,000
Speaker 13: There's a reason why he had access. The keyword to

823
00:48:44,040 --> 00:48:49,160
Speaker 13: this case is access, period. And there are many people

824
00:48:49,760 --> 00:48:55,160
Speaker 13: in the Lexington area that are responsible for Logan's execution.

825
00:48:56,200 --> 00:48:59,680
Speaker 13: They have blood on their hands. They just didn't pull

826
00:48:59,719 --> 00:49:03,680
Speaker 13: the t but they gave him the opportunity to do so.

827
00:49:04,320 --> 00:49:06,120
Speaker 5: And that is it. Period.

828
00:49:06,560 --> 00:49:09,200
Speaker 13: They could back it up all they want for the

829
00:49:09,239 --> 00:49:12,279
Speaker 13: rest of their lives. They should feel guilty for the

830
00:49:12,320 --> 00:49:16,080
Speaker 13: rest of their lives. This should haunt them, from the

831
00:49:16,120 --> 00:49:19,120
Speaker 13: frat brothers to the owner of the gun, to the

832
00:49:19,120 --> 00:49:23,759
Speaker 13: Sheriff's department, the freaking solicitors, the judges that all led

833
00:49:24,080 --> 00:49:28,920
Speaker 13: a career criminal on the streets that didn't have to

834
00:49:28,960 --> 00:49:32,480
Speaker 13: be there and factually should not have been there. But

835
00:49:32,600 --> 00:49:36,200
Speaker 13: you know what, you know what gets votes, Nancy, What

836
00:49:36,360 --> 00:49:40,400
Speaker 13: gets votes are convictions. And you know what easy convictions

837
00:49:40,400 --> 00:49:43,000
Speaker 13: are when you make a deal with somebody, that's what

838
00:49:43,080 --> 00:49:44,680
Speaker 13: you call padding the numbers.

839
00:49:44,840 --> 00:49:48,520
Speaker 2: Mister Federica, what is your message tonight to other parents?

840
00:49:48,760 --> 00:49:52,080
Speaker 13: You know what my message tonight is this Your kids

841
00:49:52,120 --> 00:49:57,400
Speaker 13: have rights one to know who they live with in dormitories,

842
00:49:58,640 --> 00:50:01,280
Speaker 13: in frat houses, and how this is that they rent

843
00:50:01,360 --> 00:50:03,200
Speaker 13: through frats through not frats.

844
00:50:03,239 --> 00:50:04,880
Speaker 5: If they're in a frat, they're.

845
00:50:04,719 --> 00:50:10,400
Speaker 13: Renting houses that are privately owned, they're still frats.

846
00:50:10,760 --> 00:50:11,200
Speaker 5: Okay.

847
00:50:11,719 --> 00:50:13,840
Speaker 13: They have a right to know who has a gun

848
00:50:13,880 --> 00:50:16,640
Speaker 13: in that house, and they have a right to back

849
00:50:16,719 --> 00:50:18,000
Speaker 13: out of living in that house.

850
00:50:19,760 --> 00:50:20,600
Speaker 5: They have rights.

851
00:50:21,400 --> 00:50:24,080
Speaker 13: People knew he had a gun there and said nothing.

852
00:50:25,920 --> 00:50:29,920
Speaker 13: Read your bylaws of the colleges that you go to

853
00:50:30,040 --> 00:50:34,000
Speaker 13: the rules, the regulations, the code of conducts. You have

854
00:50:34,280 --> 00:50:38,319
Speaker 13: rights not to be surrounded with people that can do

855
00:50:38,480 --> 00:50:42,839
Speaker 13: you harm or not protect you from a gun that

856
00:50:42,880 --> 00:50:46,920
Speaker 13: they own, and are not willing to protect people innocent

857
00:50:46,960 --> 00:50:51,200
Speaker 13: people around them by showing it the proper way.

858
00:50:51,239 --> 00:50:51,640
Speaker 5: Period.

859
00:50:51,760 --> 00:50:57,880
Speaker 2: Mister Perrico, what is next in your investigation? Are you

860
00:50:58,200 --> 00:51:00,000
Speaker 2: asking for the death penalty to be.

861
00:51:00,600 --> 00:51:04,640
Speaker 13: Nancy, there is no other thing. I'm not asking, you know,

862
00:51:05,200 --> 00:51:08,200
Speaker 13: and I know it doesn't I don't have the final say.

863
00:51:08,280 --> 00:51:13,680
Speaker 13: We're demanding Okay, we're demanding that he gets the death penalty. Okay,

864
00:51:14,280 --> 00:51:19,600
Speaker 13: that's what he deserves. Now, we are law abiding people

865
00:51:19,640 --> 00:51:20,440
Speaker 13: and we believe.

866
00:51:20,160 --> 00:51:20,600
Speaker 5: In the law.

867
00:51:20,680 --> 00:51:23,040
Speaker 13: He gets what he gets. But at the end of

868
00:51:23,120 --> 00:51:26,560
Speaker 13: the day, he has to first start out with the

869
00:51:26,560 --> 00:51:29,800
Speaker 13: punishment that fits the crime. We want the death penalty.

870
00:51:30,000 --> 00:51:33,759
Speaker 13: He deserves a death penalty. He's not getting any forgiveness

871
00:51:33,760 --> 00:51:37,520
Speaker 13: from me, from my son Jacob, or from Melissa or

872
00:51:37,560 --> 00:51:38,760
Speaker 13: any of her friends.

873
00:51:40,640 --> 00:51:42,040
Speaker 5: No bleeding hearts here.

874
00:51:43,000 --> 00:51:46,480
Speaker 13: And you know what, if they can't do it, let's

875
00:51:46,480 --> 00:51:47,640
Speaker 13: find somebody that can.

876
00:51:49,040 --> 00:51:50,719
Speaker 5: I don't worry about.

877
00:51:50,560 --> 00:51:53,320
Speaker 13: My conscience about putting him to death.

878
00:51:53,800 --> 00:51:57,120
Speaker 5: Okay, I'll be there. I'll be there with bells on,

879
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Speaker 5: my son will be there. It won't haunt me.

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Speaker 13: What haunts me is the fact that this piece of

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Speaker 13: was out on the streets and didn't have to be

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Speaker 13: and that I have to make these decisions. My family

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Speaker 13: had to make decisions on where to lay my daughter

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Speaker 13: to rest. Okay, she was visiting friends Nancy and didn't

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Speaker 13: come home.

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Speaker 5: Think about that.

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Speaker 13: This wasn't cancer, it wasn't a disease, it wasn't a

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Speaker 13: car accident. This was an execution style murder that didn't

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Speaker 13: have to happen. And if somebody's one more time says oops,

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Speaker 13: we made a mistake. You're sorry your daughter is dead.

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Speaker 13: Don't say that in front of me.

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Speaker 1: I agree with us.

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Speaker 2: Tonight is a Logan's father, Mister Federko, thank you for being.

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Speaker 13: With us my pleasure, Nancy, and again, thank you for

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Speaker 13: taking the time to care about Logan and getting her

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Speaker 13: story out there. It needs to be told, It needs

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Speaker 13: to get.

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Speaker 5: Out there across the world.

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Speaker 13: This doesn't have to happen, and I can't let this

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Speaker 13: happen to anyone else.

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Speaker 2: I can't Nancy Gray signing off, goodbye friend,