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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Stuff you missed in History Class, a production

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<v Speaker 1>of iHeartRadio, Hello and Happy Friday. I'm Holly Frye and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Tracy V. Wilson. We talked about e Virgil Neil

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<v Speaker 1>all week, Yes, we sure did. I am intrigued beyond

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<v Speaker 1>measure by e Virgil Neil and the way he lived

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<v Speaker 1>his life and all of his wild stuff. Yeah. I

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<v Speaker 1>have so many thoughts, I have so many notes, So

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<v Speaker 1>everybody come with me on journeys. First off, I have

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<v Speaker 1>a cat redemption story. Okay, on a previous behind the

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<v Speaker 1>scenes I talked about how my beautiful angel baby Jesse

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<v Speaker 1>seemed to hate one of my best friends. Correct we

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<v Speaker 1>figured out what happened, well, I think we figured out

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<v Speaker 1>what happened, okay, because Jesse and one of our other

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<v Speaker 1>cats had to go in last two weeks ago for

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<v Speaker 1>dental surgery. And when we went and picked them up,

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<v Speaker 1>the other cat who has very bad teeth, they are

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<v Speaker 1>litter mates, they were like, oh, my mom was like

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<v Speaker 1>she actually had much less in the way of problems

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<v Speaker 1>than we expected. But Jesse had one tooth that was

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<v Speaker 1>really infected, oh really deep into her jawline. And I

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<v Speaker 1>think what must have happened is that she just wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>feeling good and our dear friend probably gave her a

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<v Speaker 1>scritch along her jaw, and she just associated her with

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<v Speaker 1>that because after she healed from her oral surgery, that

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<v Speaker 1>friend came over and Jesse climbed her like a monkey,

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<v Speaker 1>like purring and like rubbing her face on her. So

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<v Speaker 1>I think so funny. She might not have hateful heart.

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<v Speaker 1>She may have just felt really cretty and have just

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<v Speaker 1>been touched in a way that did not feel good. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>my baby is my baby. It turns out she's a

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<v Speaker 1>good girl. She's still a little bit of that. But

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<v Speaker 1>I just wanted everyone to know she's not a monster. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>here's a takeaway of e Virgil Neil And really it's

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<v Speaker 1>a takeaway that is also from the show I used

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<v Speaker 1>to do, Criminalia. Don't mess with the post Office. They

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<v Speaker 1>will come for you. They will come for you. We

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<v Speaker 1>did a whole season on Criminalia about fraudsters, and in

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<v Speaker 1>so many of those instances, the thing that finally took

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<v Speaker 1>somebody down was like an inspector or the somebody from

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<v Speaker 1>the post office, like the Postmaster General activating an inspector

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<v Speaker 1>and being like you have to go check this out.

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<v Speaker 1>And that was how things all I mean bias for action.

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<v Speaker 1>They will put together a case, they will get lawyers

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<v Speaker 1>involved alongside, like it, don't mess with the post office.

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<v Speaker 1>It's the rule, yeah, which I just kind of love.

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<v Speaker 1>Postal fraud will get you before anything else. Yeah, because

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<v Speaker 1>there's a whole lot of other fraud that you know

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<v Speaker 1>will happen. Nothing nothing, File your report with the FBI.

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<v Speaker 1>What will happen. Nothing, zero things will happen. Call your

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<v Speaker 1>local law enforcement about the fraud. Zero things happening. I

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<v Speaker 1>have personal experience with this, and yeah, nothing, nothing will

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<v Speaker 1>be done. Although I had a great check fraud story

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<v Speaker 1>that maybe we'll wait for another day. But there there

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<v Speaker 1>was It was a good one. It was a good one.

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<v Speaker 1>There was justice sort of never messed with the PO anyway.

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<v Speaker 1>One of the other things that came up in some

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<v Speaker 1>of the research on Evirgil Neil, again, I feel like

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<v Speaker 1>his life story should be called that's not substantiated, because

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<v Speaker 1>oh yeah, there's a lot can't be substantiated, and that

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<v Speaker 1>so much of his life was built in a way

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<v Speaker 1>that people could not substantiate things that it makes it

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<v Speaker 1>very hard. But one theory that had come up was

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<v Speaker 1>that in his earlier days, and like people were like, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>why did he keep setting these businesses up in like Syracuse.

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<v Speaker 1>Was that he was helping his parents or his mother

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<v Speaker 1>solo his dad died at some point in there, and

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<v Speaker 1>that is reported differently in different places, but that he

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<v Speaker 1>may have been sticking close to her throughout all of it,

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<v Speaker 1>and so like some of these sort of cockamy meat

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<v Speaker 1>and in some ways nefarious businesses were kind of to

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<v Speaker 1>generate money that he could give to her. But I

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<v Speaker 1>don't that seems like a very kind read on his situation. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>but who knows, you know, even monsters will have pets.

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<v Speaker 1>I found myself thinking about Robert Boyle during this episode,

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<v Speaker 1>okay and his idea of healing at a distance. I yes,

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm like, did they read his list his wish

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<v Speaker 1>list of things that science might do one day? And go,

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<v Speaker 1>people want that we can tell we have it even

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<v Speaker 1>though we don't have it. Look into the eyes of

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<v Speaker 1>the photograph and a specific time, Yeah, when I think

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<v Speaker 1>it was character delineator. Yeah, and I was like, this

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<v Speaker 1>sounds like some kind of wo like this is like

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<v Speaker 1>character delineator sounds like a term for a psychic who

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<v Speaker 1>was going to observe you and say what your character is? Like?

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<v Speaker 1>That was sort of yeah, where my brain ticket? Oh yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's like a very specific form of cold reading. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's it's wild. Here's the thing. Don't come for me.

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<v Speaker 1>I have a weird sort of reserved don't come for me.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not saying something bad, but it's gonna sound initially

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<v Speaker 1>a weird sort of reserved admiration for e. Virgil Neil

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<v Speaker 1>because he was clearly very smart and he you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean I read a lot of his banking and

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<v Speaker 1>accounting stuff and I'm like, this is a brilliant way

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<v Speaker 1>to teach this stuff, Like this makes so much sense.

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<v Speaker 1>It really like clarifies, demystifies, distills into like easily communicable

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<v Speaker 1>and actionable activities like how to do these things? And

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, this is true of it. He had an

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<v Speaker 1>incredible skill as a writer and as a communicator, and

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<v Speaker 1>he obviously knew how to manage money. And I'm like,

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<v Speaker 1>you're so darned smart. If you had only had scruples, right,

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<v Speaker 1>what could you have done like that? It's like the

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<v Speaker 1>formula I wrote at one point in my notes was

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<v Speaker 1>banking plus writing, minus conscience, Like that's the formula that

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<v Speaker 1>makes e Virgil neil because I don't know how you

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<v Speaker 1>go to sleep at night doing the things he was doing.

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<v Speaker 1>But I do marvel at the way he was able

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<v Speaker 1>to like shift things around very carefully. He was really

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<v Speaker 1>the only person who understood the whole web. He you know,

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<v Speaker 1>like he was clearly making a lot of moves that

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<v Speaker 1>were astute through a certain lens, but again just lacking

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<v Speaker 1>morality or conscience, right right. So that's why I admire

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<v Speaker 1>how smart he clearly was and how able he was

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<v Speaker 1>to maneuver things to his own benefit. But I don't

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<v Speaker 1>admire like what was motivating that or the outcome, right right, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>don't come for me. I don't think he was a

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<v Speaker 1>good person. I just think he was smart. Yeah, fascinated, fascinated. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>have you ever fallen into I bet you haven't. This

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<v Speaker 1>seems like something you would not do. But maybe those

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<v Speaker 1>phases of life where you love watching infomercials. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know if I would say that I loved watching them.

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<v Speaker 1>I love them, I find them fascinating. Yeah. There was

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<v Speaker 1>a period of my life where I worked at a

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<v Speaker 1>place that was going to try selling its products through

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<v Speaker 1>an infomercial. So I did learn a lot about infomercials

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<v Speaker 1>during that time, right, And I don't actually remember whether

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<v Speaker 1>that effort got off the ground or not, Like I

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<v Speaker 1>don't remember if that infomercial actually aired ever, But yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I have always been very fascinated because the here's the thing.

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<v Speaker 1>There are even things that get sold and infomercials that

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<v Speaker 1>are actually perfectly fine products. But the way that, like

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<v Speaker 1>the sales tactic of it, we have the answer simplify

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<v Speaker 1>your life, baby, it's all going to get better. Just

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<v Speaker 1>just just call and place your order. That's how old

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<v Speaker 1>I am. You used to have to call order, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>go online, put in the thing. And I mean those

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<v Speaker 1>still exist in various forms now, just in like a

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<v Speaker 1>more rapid fire pace on like Instagram ads. Take that, right.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm fascinated by them, and sometimes I get influenced by them.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not gonna lie, usually in very benign ways, like

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<v Speaker 1>I do need those shoes, but I just I find them.

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<v Speaker 1>It's it's wild because even as you are conscious of

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<v Speaker 1>the cause and effect of how that marketing works, there

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<v Speaker 1>will be moments where you're like, maybe I do need

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<v Speaker 1>and it's like you have to pull yourself back and

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<v Speaker 1>go no, no, remember these are all careful. It's like

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<v Speaker 1>the same way that people talk about the food industry,

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<v Speaker 1>studying things like mouthfeel and creveability to make. It's the

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<v Speaker 1>same thing, like there is psychological analysis around what will

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<v Speaker 1>get people to, you know, eventually buy into a product, right, right,

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<v Speaker 1>But even when you know that, it is very easy

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<v Speaker 1>to be drawn in and be like that will solve

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<v Speaker 1>that problem. Yeah. Well, And to be incredibly clear, the

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<v Speaker 1>company that I was working for was selling actual legitimate products,

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<v Speaker 1>like and actual legitimate products that had a very specific

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<v Speaker 1>legal regulatory like oversight involved with them. But the infomercial

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<v Speaker 1>idea was totally like trying to bring these products that

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<v Speaker 1>were made for business use into a home by saying,

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<v Speaker 1>this will solve all of your problems. You know, how

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<v Speaker 1>you have baked on gunk in your oven, this product

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<v Speaker 1>which was you know, formulated for commercial ovens, It's totally

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<v Speaker 1>going to solve all your problems. Don't take away my

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<v Speaker 1>flavoring gunk. I need the guck. And again I have

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<v Speaker 1>I don't remember if that like, did that ever actually

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<v Speaker 1>become a thing. I don't remember. I don't know. And

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<v Speaker 1>so I mean some of those things do are perfectly

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<v Speaker 1>legitimate products. Yeah, I'm fascinated by I'm fascinated by the idea.

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like, in an alternate life, I must have

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<v Speaker 1>worked in advertising because I am obsessed with commercials. Like

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<v Speaker 1>I have strong opinions about commercials. I will watch a

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<v Speaker 1>whole show that's garbage, but if it's on like network television,

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<v Speaker 1>I will turn to Brian and talk about the problems

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<v Speaker 1>with the ads, and I just I love I love

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<v Speaker 1>the concept of advertising as a field of study. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't, you know, love the concept of advertising, but

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<v Speaker 1>I love analyzing it. I think it's really fascinating. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>commercials are an interesting space in terms of like film

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<v Speaker 1>and television technology, because in some cases that's where things

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<v Speaker 1>get put, that's where the envelope gets pushed in terms

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<v Speaker 1>of what's possible first, because it's much easier to fund

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<v Speaker 1>a ninety second piece of film than it is an

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<v Speaker 1>actual show or movie. So from that point of view,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm always fascinated by commercials. Anyway, I'm fascinating with advertising

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<v Speaker 1>is the summation of that, which is probably part of

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<v Speaker 1>why E. Virgil Neil is so right, just wildly engrossing

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<v Speaker 1>for me. Yeah, well, in his like newspaper ads that

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<v Speaker 1>were basically advertorials. Yeah. I thought about that a lot

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<v Speaker 1>because of, you know, my own history of having worked

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<v Speaker 1>for a website and an editorial department in an era

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<v Speaker 1>that there was, you know, the transition was being made

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<v Speaker 1>from print media with you know, things that look like

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<v Speaker 1>articles but said at the top, sponsored copy or something

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<v Speaker 1>like that. Yeah, trying to ansfer that kind of mindset

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<v Speaker 1>to the web. Yeah, I working in an editorial department

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<v Speaker 1>that was highly opposed to doing anything like that. So

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<v Speaker 1>that's like, those are the things that I was thinking

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<v Speaker 1>about while well, while talking about that part of his

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<v Speaker 1>life story. Yeah, I mean, I it's such a weird thing.

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<v Speaker 1>And I know most people hate ads in general, they

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<v Speaker 1>hate advertising. I know we get complaints about advertising on

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<v Speaker 1>our show sometimes, but like, and I have a very

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<v Speaker 1>it's stuck with me so hard. An interaction I had

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<v Speaker 1>with a friend of mine, and it was in that

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<v Speaker 1>time when a lot of network television was transitioning to

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<v Speaker 1>having shows available online. Oh yeah, And this friend of

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<v Speaker 1>mine was so irate that there were ads in the

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<v Speaker 1>online version. And I was like, but there have to

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<v Speaker 1>be what are you talking about? And she was just

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<v Speaker 1>I write about it and I was like, she's like

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<v Speaker 1>it should be free, and I'm like, okay, how do

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<v Speaker 1>you think they pay the actors, writers, set, directors, et cetera. Like,

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<v Speaker 1>I know it's not fun always to watch an ad,

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<v Speaker 1>but like, if you want the show now, of course

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<v Speaker 1>the models are very different. But for network television particularly,

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<v Speaker 1>it's like, if you want the show, you got to

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<v Speaker 1>put up with that part unless you're subscribing to it

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<v Speaker 1>in a different way, like the rules. That's just how

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<v Speaker 1>it works. It's fascinating to me, and I think the

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<v Speaker 1>transition into online there was a gap for people in

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<v Speaker 1>like understanding or accepting that initially that like, oh, the

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<v Speaker 1>ads will follow us to they are also yeah, when

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<v Speaker 1>I think they were thinking, if I'm not watching it

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<v Speaker 1>on my television with my remote control, surely it's a

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<v Speaker 1>different thing. This must be cheaper to run. They don't

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<v Speaker 1>need the adds for this, and it's like no, they

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<v Speaker 1>they actually still do. It was in parallel with advertisers,

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<v Speaker 1>no not seeing value and advertising on the web yet,

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<v Speaker 1>so for some things there was just sort of this

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<v Speaker 1>happened with podcasting a lot, like there was sort of

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<v Speaker 1>a window when most podcasts didn't have ads on them

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<v Speaker 1>because advertisers weren't interested in advertising on podcasts, and listeners

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<v Speaker 1>got used to ad free podcasts, and those ad free podcasts,

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<v Speaker 1>vast majority of them would have stopped existing because people

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<v Speaker 1>would have run out of money. Yeah, had the advertisers

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<v Speaker 1>not eventually come yeah, it's weird, it's a weird dance. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I get the dismay. Yeah, I'm not. I literally right

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<v Speaker 1>now my brain is taking through all of the copy

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<v Speaker 1>and recent television ads I've seen that I hate. Nobody

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<v Speaker 1>needs that. Nobody needs me to shout out their company

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<v Speaker 1>for not liking your ads. Do you want me to

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<v Speaker 1>tell you about the the memory that was jogged by

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<v Speaker 1>our email about kids dressing up as historical figures? Yes?

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, like, have you ever had like a memory

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<v Speaker 1>just kind and slap you in the face like that

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<v Speaker 1>that you haven't thought about in this like forty five years. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>In seventh grade, my best friend and I we had

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<v Speaker 1>to do reports on historical figures in science and my

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<v Speaker 1>best friend and I I don't know if we picked

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<v Speaker 1>it or we were assigned the Wright Brothers, Okay, and

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<v Speaker 1>we were like great. And she is still a friend

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<v Speaker 1>of mine. She's one of the smartest people I know.

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<v Speaker 1>She probably did more of the like bookwork part of it.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. We each picked one of the brothers

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<v Speaker 1>and kind of went with it. But on the day

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<v Speaker 1>of the presentation, I, I don't know if I just

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<v Speaker 1>didn't communicate this or not, but I showed up in

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<v Speaker 1>full historical costume. Oh no, and she did not. And

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<v Speaker 1>it was It was just the most awkward, weird thing

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<v Speaker 1>because it was like, I was That's what I wore

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<v Speaker 1>to school that day. It wasn't like I could change, right,

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<v Speaker 1>so there was no way to make it not look

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<v Speaker 1>like I had done more work than her in that regard. Yeah, no,

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<v Speaker 1>she did just as much work as me, if not

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<v Speaker 1>or on the like writing and prep part. And it

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<v Speaker 1>was just like, I woo the way that memory came

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<v Speaker 1>back so hard, Yeah, so hard, but also hilarious. That

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't a very historically accurate costume, but it was more

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<v Speaker 1>historically accurate than most kids would do at that stage

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<v Speaker 1>of life. Listen, if this is your weekend coming up,

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<v Speaker 1>I hope you only so if you want to. I

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<v Speaker 1>hope you only watch infomercials. If you want to. I

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<v Speaker 1>hope you remember that advertising is often designed to appeal

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<v Speaker 1>to that part of your brain that has wants and needs,

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<v Speaker 1>and you don't get sucked into buying something you don't want, or,

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<v Speaker 1>like me, you wake up in a fugue state, and

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<v Speaker 1>that's when the ordering happens. It's a problem like where

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<v Speaker 1>do these shoes come from? Oh? I did order those

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<v Speaker 1>at six forty five am last Friday. It happens. Listen,

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<v Speaker 1>it is what it is. But I hope that, like

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<v Speaker 1>you have a wonderful next couple of days. If you

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<v Speaker 1>have to work, if you have obligations, maybe you have

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<v Speaker 1>a family and you got to run people all over

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<v Speaker 1>for all of their extracurricular activities or whatever they've got

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<v Speaker 1>going on. I still hope you can steal away some

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<v Speaker 1>fun time for yourself. Maybe find a bathroom with a

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<v Speaker 1>disco ball in it. Maybe make a bathroom with a

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<v Speaker 1>disco ball in it. Just embrace joy wherever you find it.

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<v Speaker 1>Be kind to one another. We will be right back

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<v Speaker 1>here on Monday with new stuff. We will also be

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<v Speaker 1>back here tomorrow with a classic episode. Stuff You Missed

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