1 00:00:01,320 --> 00:00:04,240 Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff you missed in History Class, a production 2 00:00:04,400 --> 00:00:14,440 Speaker 1: of iHeartRadio, Hello and Happy Friday. I'm Holly Frye and 3 00:00:14,520 --> 00:00:18,000 Speaker 1: I'm Tracy V. Wilson. We talked about e Virgil Neil 4 00:00:18,120 --> 00:00:25,960 Speaker 1: all week, Yes, we sure did. I am intrigued beyond 5 00:00:26,040 --> 00:00:29,360 Speaker 1: measure by e Virgil Neil and the way he lived 6 00:00:29,360 --> 00:00:32,600 Speaker 1: his life and all of his wild stuff. Yeah. I 7 00:00:32,600 --> 00:00:35,760 Speaker 1: have so many thoughts, I have so many notes, So 8 00:00:36,040 --> 00:00:40,839 Speaker 1: everybody come with me on journeys. First off, I have 9 00:00:40,880 --> 00:00:45,240 Speaker 1: a cat redemption story. Okay, on a previous behind the 10 00:00:45,280 --> 00:00:47,840 Speaker 1: scenes I talked about how my beautiful angel baby Jesse 11 00:00:49,159 --> 00:00:52,519 Speaker 1: seemed to hate one of my best friends. Correct we 12 00:00:52,600 --> 00:00:55,040 Speaker 1: figured out what happened, well, I think we figured out 13 00:00:55,040 --> 00:00:58,600 Speaker 1: what happened, okay, because Jesse and one of our other 14 00:00:58,640 --> 00:01:02,480 Speaker 1: cats had to go in last two weeks ago for 15 00:01:03,320 --> 00:01:06,360 Speaker 1: dental surgery. And when we went and picked them up, 16 00:01:06,640 --> 00:01:09,280 Speaker 1: the other cat who has very bad teeth, they are 17 00:01:09,440 --> 00:01:12,440 Speaker 1: litter mates, they were like, oh, my mom was like 18 00:01:12,520 --> 00:01:16,040 Speaker 1: she actually had much less in the way of problems 19 00:01:16,040 --> 00:01:19,200 Speaker 1: than we expected. But Jesse had one tooth that was 20 00:01:19,280 --> 00:01:23,520 Speaker 1: really infected, oh really deep into her jawline. And I 21 00:01:23,640 --> 00:01:26,559 Speaker 1: think what must have happened is that she just wasn't 22 00:01:26,640 --> 00:01:29,440 Speaker 1: feeling good and our dear friend probably gave her a 23 00:01:29,480 --> 00:01:32,280 Speaker 1: scritch along her jaw, and she just associated her with 24 00:01:32,360 --> 00:01:36,200 Speaker 1: that because after she healed from her oral surgery, that 25 00:01:36,319 --> 00:01:39,520 Speaker 1: friend came over and Jesse climbed her like a monkey, 26 00:01:39,680 --> 00:01:42,080 Speaker 1: like purring and like rubbing her face on her. So 27 00:01:42,160 --> 00:01:45,559 Speaker 1: I think so funny. She might not have hateful heart. 28 00:01:45,680 --> 00:01:48,400 Speaker 1: She may have just felt really cretty and have just 29 00:01:48,440 --> 00:01:51,480 Speaker 1: been touched in a way that did not feel good. Yeah, 30 00:01:51,720 --> 00:01:53,440 Speaker 1: my baby is my baby. It turns out she's a 31 00:01:53,520 --> 00:01:55,840 Speaker 1: good girl. She's still a little bit of that. But 32 00:01:56,040 --> 00:01:59,639 Speaker 1: I just wanted everyone to know she's not a monster. Okay, 33 00:01:59,640 --> 00:02:02,400 Speaker 1: here's a takeaway of e Virgil Neil And really it's 34 00:02:02,440 --> 00:02:04,680 Speaker 1: a takeaway that is also from the show I used 35 00:02:04,680 --> 00:02:08,680 Speaker 1: to do, Criminalia. Don't mess with the post Office. They 36 00:02:08,680 --> 00:02:11,160 Speaker 1: will come for you. They will come for you. We 37 00:02:11,200 --> 00:02:15,040 Speaker 1: did a whole season on Criminalia about fraudsters, and in 38 00:02:15,120 --> 00:02:17,720 Speaker 1: so many of those instances, the thing that finally took 39 00:02:17,760 --> 00:02:22,200 Speaker 1: somebody down was like an inspector or the somebody from 40 00:02:22,200 --> 00:02:25,720 Speaker 1: the post office, like the Postmaster General activating an inspector 41 00:02:25,800 --> 00:02:27,679 Speaker 1: and being like you have to go check this out. 42 00:02:27,680 --> 00:02:30,720 Speaker 1: And that was how things all I mean bias for action. 43 00:02:31,280 --> 00:02:33,520 Speaker 1: They will put together a case, they will get lawyers 44 00:02:33,560 --> 00:02:38,280 Speaker 1: involved alongside, like it, don't mess with the post office. 45 00:02:38,320 --> 00:02:41,799 Speaker 1: It's the rule, yeah, which I just kind of love. 46 00:02:43,880 --> 00:02:47,200 Speaker 1: Postal fraud will get you before anything else. Yeah, because 47 00:02:47,240 --> 00:02:49,320 Speaker 1: there's a whole lot of other fraud that you know 48 00:02:49,440 --> 00:02:53,040 Speaker 1: will happen. Nothing nothing, File your report with the FBI. 49 00:02:53,160 --> 00:02:58,000 Speaker 1: What will happen. Nothing, zero things will happen. Call your 50 00:02:58,040 --> 00:03:01,480 Speaker 1: local law enforcement about the fraud. Zero things happening. I 51 00:03:01,520 --> 00:03:06,360 Speaker 1: have personal experience with this, and yeah, nothing, nothing will 52 00:03:06,360 --> 00:03:09,640 Speaker 1: be done. Although I had a great check fraud story 53 00:03:09,680 --> 00:03:12,919 Speaker 1: that maybe we'll wait for another day. But there there 54 00:03:13,000 --> 00:03:15,480 Speaker 1: was It was a good one. It was a good one. 55 00:03:15,560 --> 00:03:18,960 Speaker 1: There was justice sort of never messed with the PO anyway. 56 00:03:19,440 --> 00:03:21,480 Speaker 1: One of the other things that came up in some 57 00:03:21,600 --> 00:03:25,480 Speaker 1: of the research on Evirgil Neil, again, I feel like 58 00:03:25,639 --> 00:03:29,400 Speaker 1: his life story should be called that's not substantiated, because 59 00:03:29,480 --> 00:03:33,320 Speaker 1: oh yeah, there's a lot can't be substantiated, and that 60 00:03:33,520 --> 00:03:35,360 Speaker 1: so much of his life was built in a way 61 00:03:35,360 --> 00:03:38,160 Speaker 1: that people could not substantiate things that it makes it 62 00:03:38,280 --> 00:03:42,240 Speaker 1: very hard. But one theory that had come up was 63 00:03:42,280 --> 00:03:48,440 Speaker 1: that in his earlier days, and like people were like, Okay, 64 00:03:48,480 --> 00:03:51,400 Speaker 1: why did he keep setting these businesses up in like Syracuse. 65 00:03:51,880 --> 00:03:55,800 Speaker 1: Was that he was helping his parents or his mother 66 00:03:56,320 --> 00:04:00,160 Speaker 1: solo his dad died at some point in there, and 67 00:04:00,160 --> 00:04:03,080 Speaker 1: that is reported differently in different places, but that he 68 00:04:03,200 --> 00:04:06,440 Speaker 1: may have been sticking close to her throughout all of it, 69 00:04:06,520 --> 00:04:09,680 Speaker 1: and so like some of these sort of cockamy meat 70 00:04:09,760 --> 00:04:12,920 Speaker 1: and in some ways nefarious businesses were kind of to 71 00:04:12,960 --> 00:04:16,000 Speaker 1: generate money that he could give to her. But I 72 00:04:16,040 --> 00:04:20,360 Speaker 1: don't that seems like a very kind read on his situation. Yeah, 73 00:04:20,400 --> 00:04:23,479 Speaker 1: but who knows, you know, even monsters will have pets. 74 00:04:24,120 --> 00:04:27,520 Speaker 1: I found myself thinking about Robert Boyle during this episode, 75 00:04:27,880 --> 00:04:32,599 Speaker 1: okay and his idea of healing at a distance. I yes, 76 00:04:33,160 --> 00:04:36,200 Speaker 1: And I'm like, did they read his list his wish 77 00:04:36,279 --> 00:04:38,560 Speaker 1: list of things that science might do one day? And go, 78 00:04:38,800 --> 00:04:41,160 Speaker 1: people want that we can tell we have it even 79 00:04:41,200 --> 00:04:44,000 Speaker 1: though we don't have it. Look into the eyes of 80 00:04:44,040 --> 00:04:49,160 Speaker 1: the photograph and a specific time, Yeah, when I think 81 00:04:49,200 --> 00:04:54,360 Speaker 1: it was character delineator. Yeah, and I was like, this 82 00:04:54,560 --> 00:04:58,560 Speaker 1: sounds like some kind of wo like this is like 83 00:04:58,800 --> 00:05:02,680 Speaker 1: character delineator sounds like a term for a psychic who 84 00:05:02,800 --> 00:05:07,719 Speaker 1: was going to observe you and say what your character is? Like? 85 00:05:07,800 --> 00:05:11,200 Speaker 1: That was sort of yeah, where my brain ticket? Oh yeah, 86 00:05:11,200 --> 00:05:14,479 Speaker 1: it's like a very specific form of cold reading. Yeah, 87 00:05:14,520 --> 00:05:19,320 Speaker 1: it's it's wild. Here's the thing. Don't come for me. 88 00:05:19,960 --> 00:05:24,360 Speaker 1: I have a weird sort of reserved don't come for me. 89 00:05:24,400 --> 00:05:26,520 Speaker 1: I'm not saying something bad, but it's gonna sound initially 90 00:05:26,839 --> 00:05:30,400 Speaker 1: a weird sort of reserved admiration for e. Virgil Neil 91 00:05:31,160 --> 00:05:35,640 Speaker 1: because he was clearly very smart and he you know, 92 00:05:35,880 --> 00:05:37,680 Speaker 1: I mean I read a lot of his banking and 93 00:05:37,720 --> 00:05:40,000 Speaker 1: accounting stuff and I'm like, this is a brilliant way 94 00:05:40,000 --> 00:05:42,159 Speaker 1: to teach this stuff, Like this makes so much sense. 95 00:05:42,480 --> 00:05:49,520 Speaker 1: It really like clarifies, demystifies, distills into like easily communicable 96 00:05:49,680 --> 00:05:53,200 Speaker 1: and actionable activities like how to do these things? And 97 00:05:53,200 --> 00:05:55,120 Speaker 1: I'm like, this is true of it. He had an 98 00:05:55,200 --> 00:05:59,440 Speaker 1: incredible skill as a writer and as a communicator, and 99 00:05:59,680 --> 00:06:03,039 Speaker 1: he obviously knew how to manage money. And I'm like, 100 00:06:03,480 --> 00:06:08,000 Speaker 1: you're so darned smart. If you had only had scruples, right, 101 00:06:08,120 --> 00:06:14,400 Speaker 1: what could you have done like that? It's like the 102 00:06:15,000 --> 00:06:17,120 Speaker 1: formula I wrote at one point in my notes was 103 00:06:17,200 --> 00:06:21,359 Speaker 1: banking plus writing, minus conscience, Like that's the formula that 104 00:06:21,400 --> 00:06:26,280 Speaker 1: makes e Virgil neil because I don't know how you 105 00:06:26,320 --> 00:06:28,599 Speaker 1: go to sleep at night doing the things he was doing. 106 00:06:30,040 --> 00:06:33,239 Speaker 1: But I do marvel at the way he was able 107 00:06:33,320 --> 00:06:36,799 Speaker 1: to like shift things around very carefully. He was really 108 00:06:36,800 --> 00:06:41,320 Speaker 1: the only person who understood the whole web. He you know, 109 00:06:41,480 --> 00:06:43,960 Speaker 1: like he was clearly making a lot of moves that 110 00:06:44,000 --> 00:06:48,600 Speaker 1: were astute through a certain lens, but again just lacking 111 00:06:48,680 --> 00:06:53,520 Speaker 1: morality or conscience, right right. So that's why I admire 112 00:06:53,560 --> 00:06:56,800 Speaker 1: how smart he clearly was and how able he was 113 00:06:56,920 --> 00:07:01,640 Speaker 1: to maneuver things to his own benefit. But I don't 114 00:07:02,000 --> 00:07:06,600 Speaker 1: admire like what was motivating that or the outcome, right right, Yeah, 115 00:07:06,920 --> 00:07:08,800 Speaker 1: don't come for me. I don't think he was a 116 00:07:08,839 --> 00:07:25,400 Speaker 1: good person. I just think he was smart. Yeah, fascinated, fascinated. Yeah, 117 00:07:25,440 --> 00:07:27,840 Speaker 1: have you ever fallen into I bet you haven't. This 118 00:07:28,080 --> 00:07:31,280 Speaker 1: seems like something you would not do. But maybe those 119 00:07:31,320 --> 00:07:34,920 Speaker 1: phases of life where you love watching infomercials. I don't 120 00:07:34,960 --> 00:07:38,160 Speaker 1: know if I would say that I loved watching them. 121 00:07:38,520 --> 00:07:41,840 Speaker 1: I love them, I find them fascinating. Yeah. There was 122 00:07:41,840 --> 00:07:45,320 Speaker 1: a period of my life where I worked at a 123 00:07:45,360 --> 00:07:48,920 Speaker 1: place that was going to try selling its products through 124 00:07:48,960 --> 00:07:53,280 Speaker 1: an infomercial. So I did learn a lot about infomercials 125 00:07:54,400 --> 00:07:57,960 Speaker 1: during that time, right, And I don't actually remember whether 126 00:07:58,080 --> 00:08:00,320 Speaker 1: that effort got off the ground or not, Like I 127 00:08:00,320 --> 00:08:05,440 Speaker 1: don't remember if that infomercial actually aired ever, But yeah, 128 00:08:05,080 --> 00:08:08,760 Speaker 1: I have always been very fascinated because the here's the thing. 129 00:08:08,840 --> 00:08:11,240 Speaker 1: There are even things that get sold and infomercials that 130 00:08:11,280 --> 00:08:15,000 Speaker 1: are actually perfectly fine products. But the way that, like 131 00:08:15,040 --> 00:08:20,320 Speaker 1: the sales tactic of it, we have the answer simplify 132 00:08:20,360 --> 00:08:24,080 Speaker 1: your life, baby, it's all going to get better. Just 133 00:08:24,080 --> 00:08:26,760 Speaker 1: just just call and place your order. That's how old 134 00:08:26,800 --> 00:08:28,880 Speaker 1: I am. You used to have to call order, you know, 135 00:08:29,040 --> 00:08:31,560 Speaker 1: go online, put in the thing. And I mean those 136 00:08:31,600 --> 00:08:34,160 Speaker 1: still exist in various forms now, just in like a 137 00:08:34,200 --> 00:08:37,720 Speaker 1: more rapid fire pace on like Instagram ads. Take that, right. 138 00:08:38,000 --> 00:08:41,520 Speaker 1: I'm fascinated by them, and sometimes I get influenced by them. 139 00:08:41,559 --> 00:08:43,880 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna lie, usually in very benign ways, like 140 00:08:43,920 --> 00:08:48,760 Speaker 1: I do need those shoes, but I just I find them. 141 00:08:49,120 --> 00:08:53,560 Speaker 1: It's it's wild because even as you are conscious of 142 00:08:54,000 --> 00:08:57,760 Speaker 1: the cause and effect of how that marketing works, there 143 00:08:57,800 --> 00:08:59,880 Speaker 1: will be moments where you're like, maybe I do need 144 00:09:00,679 --> 00:09:02,760 Speaker 1: and it's like you have to pull yourself back and 145 00:09:02,800 --> 00:09:05,679 Speaker 1: go no, no, remember these are all careful. It's like 146 00:09:05,720 --> 00:09:08,040 Speaker 1: the same way that people talk about the food industry, 147 00:09:08,679 --> 00:09:13,240 Speaker 1: studying things like mouthfeel and creveability to make. It's the 148 00:09:13,280 --> 00:09:16,840 Speaker 1: same thing, like there is psychological analysis around what will 149 00:09:16,880 --> 00:09:22,320 Speaker 1: get people to, you know, eventually buy into a product, right, right, 150 00:09:22,720 --> 00:09:25,000 Speaker 1: But even when you know that, it is very easy 151 00:09:25,080 --> 00:09:27,839 Speaker 1: to be drawn in and be like that will solve 152 00:09:27,840 --> 00:09:32,440 Speaker 1: that problem. Yeah. Well, And to be incredibly clear, the 153 00:09:32,480 --> 00:09:36,600 Speaker 1: company that I was working for was selling actual legitimate products, 154 00:09:36,960 --> 00:09:40,960 Speaker 1: like and actual legitimate products that had a very specific 155 00:09:42,040 --> 00:09:48,599 Speaker 1: legal regulatory like oversight involved with them. But the infomercial 156 00:09:48,600 --> 00:09:52,280 Speaker 1: idea was totally like trying to bring these products that 157 00:09:52,280 --> 00:09:56,160 Speaker 1: were made for business use into a home by saying, 158 00:09:56,440 --> 00:09:58,880 Speaker 1: this will solve all of your problems. You know, how 159 00:09:58,960 --> 00:10:02,200 Speaker 1: you have baked on gunk in your oven, this product 160 00:10:02,480 --> 00:10:07,120 Speaker 1: which was you know, formulated for commercial ovens, It's totally 161 00:10:07,120 --> 00:10:09,240 Speaker 1: going to solve all your problems. Don't take away my 162 00:10:09,280 --> 00:10:13,120 Speaker 1: flavoring gunk. I need the guck. And again I have 163 00:10:13,520 --> 00:10:16,760 Speaker 1: I don't remember if that like, did that ever actually 164 00:10:16,800 --> 00:10:19,320 Speaker 1: become a thing. I don't remember. I don't know. And 165 00:10:19,360 --> 00:10:22,079 Speaker 1: so I mean some of those things do are perfectly 166 00:10:22,160 --> 00:10:26,040 Speaker 1: legitimate products. Yeah, I'm fascinated by I'm fascinated by the idea. 167 00:10:26,080 --> 00:10:28,400 Speaker 1: I feel like, in an alternate life, I must have 168 00:10:28,480 --> 00:10:32,160 Speaker 1: worked in advertising because I am obsessed with commercials. Like 169 00:10:33,040 --> 00:10:35,920 Speaker 1: I have strong opinions about commercials. I will watch a 170 00:10:35,960 --> 00:10:39,600 Speaker 1: whole show that's garbage, but if it's on like network television, 171 00:10:40,240 --> 00:10:42,320 Speaker 1: I will turn to Brian and talk about the problems 172 00:10:42,320 --> 00:10:46,400 Speaker 1: with the ads, and I just I love I love 173 00:10:46,480 --> 00:10:51,079 Speaker 1: the concept of advertising as a field of study. I mean, 174 00:10:51,120 --> 00:10:54,760 Speaker 1: I don't, you know, love the concept of advertising, but 175 00:10:54,800 --> 00:10:58,840 Speaker 1: I love analyzing it. I think it's really fascinating. You know, 176 00:10:58,880 --> 00:11:03,440 Speaker 1: commercials are an interesting space in terms of like film 177 00:11:03,440 --> 00:11:06,559 Speaker 1: and television technology, because in some cases that's where things 178 00:11:06,600 --> 00:11:08,960 Speaker 1: get put, that's where the envelope gets pushed in terms 179 00:11:09,000 --> 00:11:11,960 Speaker 1: of what's possible first, because it's much easier to fund 180 00:11:12,440 --> 00:11:14,760 Speaker 1: a ninety second piece of film than it is an 181 00:11:14,800 --> 00:11:18,000 Speaker 1: actual show or movie. So from that point of view, 182 00:11:18,040 --> 00:11:21,760 Speaker 1: I'm always fascinated by commercials. Anyway, I'm fascinating with advertising 183 00:11:21,880 --> 00:11:24,560 Speaker 1: is the summation of that, which is probably part of 184 00:11:24,559 --> 00:11:29,800 Speaker 1: why E. Virgil Neil is so right, just wildly engrossing 185 00:11:29,880 --> 00:11:34,040 Speaker 1: for me. Yeah, well, in his like newspaper ads that 186 00:11:34,120 --> 00:11:38,240 Speaker 1: were basically advertorials. Yeah. I thought about that a lot 187 00:11:38,280 --> 00:11:41,160 Speaker 1: because of, you know, my own history of having worked 188 00:11:41,160 --> 00:11:44,800 Speaker 1: for a website and an editorial department in an era 189 00:11:45,000 --> 00:11:48,079 Speaker 1: that there was, you know, the transition was being made 190 00:11:48,200 --> 00:11:53,680 Speaker 1: from print media with you know, things that look like 191 00:11:53,840 --> 00:11:57,880 Speaker 1: articles but said at the top, sponsored copy or something 192 00:11:57,920 --> 00:12:01,920 Speaker 1: like that. Yeah, trying to ansfer that kind of mindset 193 00:12:02,040 --> 00:12:08,400 Speaker 1: to the web. Yeah, I working in an editorial department 194 00:12:08,440 --> 00:12:12,320 Speaker 1: that was highly opposed to doing anything like that. So 195 00:12:12,520 --> 00:12:14,160 Speaker 1: that's like, those are the things that I was thinking 196 00:12:14,200 --> 00:12:18,439 Speaker 1: about while well, while talking about that part of his 197 00:12:18,480 --> 00:12:24,600 Speaker 1: life story. Yeah, I mean, I it's such a weird thing. 198 00:12:24,600 --> 00:12:27,600 Speaker 1: And I know most people hate ads in general, they 199 00:12:27,600 --> 00:12:31,120 Speaker 1: hate advertising. I know we get complaints about advertising on 200 00:12:31,160 --> 00:12:35,079 Speaker 1: our show sometimes, but like, and I have a very 201 00:12:35,160 --> 00:12:39,440 Speaker 1: it's stuck with me so hard. An interaction I had 202 00:12:39,480 --> 00:12:41,400 Speaker 1: with a friend of mine, and it was in that 203 00:12:41,600 --> 00:12:46,520 Speaker 1: time when a lot of network television was transitioning to 204 00:12:46,960 --> 00:12:51,160 Speaker 1: having shows available online. Oh yeah, And this friend of 205 00:12:51,200 --> 00:12:54,280 Speaker 1: mine was so irate that there were ads in the 206 00:12:54,360 --> 00:12:59,120 Speaker 1: online version. And I was like, but there have to 207 00:12:59,160 --> 00:13:01,600 Speaker 1: be what are you talking about? And she was just 208 00:13:01,679 --> 00:13:03,840 Speaker 1: I write about it and I was like, she's like 209 00:13:03,920 --> 00:13:07,040 Speaker 1: it should be free, and I'm like, okay, how do 210 00:13:07,120 --> 00:13:11,000 Speaker 1: you think they pay the actors, writers, set, directors, et cetera. Like, 211 00:13:11,840 --> 00:13:14,840 Speaker 1: I know it's not fun always to watch an ad, 212 00:13:14,920 --> 00:13:18,440 Speaker 1: but like, if you want the show now, of course 213 00:13:18,440 --> 00:13:21,079 Speaker 1: the models are very different. But for network television particularly, 214 00:13:21,160 --> 00:13:23,079 Speaker 1: it's like, if you want the show, you got to 215 00:13:23,120 --> 00:13:25,880 Speaker 1: put up with that part unless you're subscribing to it 216 00:13:25,920 --> 00:13:29,199 Speaker 1: in a different way, like the rules. That's just how 217 00:13:29,240 --> 00:13:33,320 Speaker 1: it works. It's fascinating to me, and I think the 218 00:13:33,360 --> 00:13:37,920 Speaker 1: transition into online there was a gap for people in 219 00:13:38,200 --> 00:13:41,000 Speaker 1: like understanding or accepting that initially that like, oh, the 220 00:13:41,080 --> 00:13:44,600 Speaker 1: ads will follow us to they are also yeah, when 221 00:13:44,640 --> 00:13:46,440 Speaker 1: I think they were thinking, if I'm not watching it 222 00:13:46,480 --> 00:13:49,160 Speaker 1: on my television with my remote control, surely it's a 223 00:13:49,160 --> 00:13:51,640 Speaker 1: different thing. This must be cheaper to run. They don't 224 00:13:51,679 --> 00:13:53,640 Speaker 1: need the adds for this, and it's like no, they 225 00:13:53,760 --> 00:13:59,280 Speaker 1: they actually still do. It was in parallel with advertisers, 226 00:13:59,840 --> 00:14:03,040 Speaker 1: no not seeing value and advertising on the web yet, 227 00:14:03,160 --> 00:14:06,640 Speaker 1: so for some things there was just sort of this 228 00:14:06,679 --> 00:14:08,720 Speaker 1: happened with podcasting a lot, like there was sort of 229 00:14:08,720 --> 00:14:11,560 Speaker 1: a window when most podcasts didn't have ads on them 230 00:14:11,600 --> 00:14:15,800 Speaker 1: because advertisers weren't interested in advertising on podcasts, and listeners 231 00:14:15,800 --> 00:14:21,440 Speaker 1: got used to ad free podcasts, and those ad free podcasts, 232 00:14:21,560 --> 00:14:25,880 Speaker 1: vast majority of them would have stopped existing because people 233 00:14:25,920 --> 00:14:29,600 Speaker 1: would have run out of money. Yeah, had the advertisers 234 00:14:29,600 --> 00:14:33,160 Speaker 1: not eventually come yeah, it's weird, it's a weird dance. Yeah, 235 00:14:33,200 --> 00:14:37,800 Speaker 1: I get the dismay. Yeah, I'm not. I literally right 236 00:14:37,800 --> 00:14:40,360 Speaker 1: now my brain is taking through all of the copy 237 00:14:40,360 --> 00:14:43,520 Speaker 1: and recent television ads I've seen that I hate. Nobody 238 00:14:43,560 --> 00:14:45,920 Speaker 1: needs that. Nobody needs me to shout out their company 239 00:14:45,960 --> 00:14:47,960 Speaker 1: for not liking your ads. Do you want me to 240 00:14:48,000 --> 00:14:54,120 Speaker 1: tell you about the the memory that was jogged by 241 00:14:54,440 --> 00:14:58,320 Speaker 1: our email about kids dressing up as historical figures? Yes? 242 00:14:58,720 --> 00:15:00,680 Speaker 1: I mean, like, have you ever had like a memory 243 00:15:00,760 --> 00:15:02,280 Speaker 1: just kind and slap you in the face like that 244 00:15:02,280 --> 00:15:06,200 Speaker 1: that you haven't thought about in this like forty five years. Yeah. 245 00:15:06,440 --> 00:15:09,360 Speaker 1: In seventh grade, my best friend and I we had 246 00:15:09,360 --> 00:15:13,640 Speaker 1: to do reports on historical figures in science and my 247 00:15:13,760 --> 00:15:15,680 Speaker 1: best friend and I I don't know if we picked 248 00:15:15,680 --> 00:15:19,200 Speaker 1: it or we were assigned the Wright Brothers, Okay, and 249 00:15:19,240 --> 00:15:21,600 Speaker 1: we were like great. And she is still a friend 250 00:15:21,640 --> 00:15:23,360 Speaker 1: of mine. She's one of the smartest people I know. 251 00:15:24,000 --> 00:15:26,600 Speaker 1: She probably did more of the like bookwork part of it. 252 00:15:26,760 --> 00:15:28,360 Speaker 1: I don't know. We each picked one of the brothers 253 00:15:28,360 --> 00:15:30,280 Speaker 1: and kind of went with it. But on the day 254 00:15:30,280 --> 00:15:33,520 Speaker 1: of the presentation, I, I don't know if I just 255 00:15:33,560 --> 00:15:35,720 Speaker 1: didn't communicate this or not, but I showed up in 256 00:15:35,760 --> 00:15:40,080 Speaker 1: full historical costume. Oh no, and she did not. And 257 00:15:40,120 --> 00:15:42,760 Speaker 1: it was It was just the most awkward, weird thing 258 00:15:43,240 --> 00:15:47,200 Speaker 1: because it was like, I was That's what I wore 259 00:15:47,280 --> 00:15:50,920 Speaker 1: to school that day. It wasn't like I could change, right, 260 00:15:51,480 --> 00:15:54,240 Speaker 1: so there was no way to make it not look 261 00:15:54,400 --> 00:15:57,640 Speaker 1: like I had done more work than her in that regard. Yeah, no, 262 00:15:58,040 --> 00:15:59,800 Speaker 1: she did just as much work as me, if not 263 00:16:00,120 --> 00:16:02,720 Speaker 1: or on the like writing and prep part. And it 264 00:16:02,800 --> 00:16:05,720 Speaker 1: was just like, I woo the way that memory came 265 00:16:05,760 --> 00:16:11,760 Speaker 1: back so hard, Yeah, so hard, but also hilarious. That 266 00:16:11,840 --> 00:16:15,200 Speaker 1: wasn't a very historically accurate costume, but it was more 267 00:16:15,360 --> 00:16:18,040 Speaker 1: historically accurate than most kids would do at that stage 268 00:16:18,040 --> 00:16:26,840 Speaker 1: of life. Listen, if this is your weekend coming up, 269 00:16:28,000 --> 00:16:30,400 Speaker 1: I hope you only so if you want to. I 270 00:16:30,440 --> 00:16:33,920 Speaker 1: hope you only watch infomercials. If you want to. I 271 00:16:33,960 --> 00:16:37,440 Speaker 1: hope you remember that advertising is often designed to appeal 272 00:16:37,480 --> 00:16:40,360 Speaker 1: to that part of your brain that has wants and needs, 273 00:16:40,680 --> 00:16:45,520 Speaker 1: and you don't get sucked into buying something you don't want, or, 274 00:16:45,600 --> 00:16:47,680 Speaker 1: like me, you wake up in a fugue state, and 275 00:16:47,720 --> 00:16:50,680 Speaker 1: that's when the ordering happens. It's a problem like where 276 00:16:50,680 --> 00:16:52,680 Speaker 1: do these shoes come from? Oh? I did order those 277 00:16:52,920 --> 00:16:58,000 Speaker 1: at six forty five am last Friday. It happens. Listen, 278 00:16:58,040 --> 00:16:59,840 Speaker 1: it is what it is. But I hope that, like 279 00:17:00,200 --> 00:17:02,480 Speaker 1: you have a wonderful next couple of days. If you 280 00:17:02,520 --> 00:17:05,439 Speaker 1: have to work, if you have obligations, maybe you have 281 00:17:05,480 --> 00:17:07,320 Speaker 1: a family and you got to run people all over 282 00:17:07,440 --> 00:17:10,600 Speaker 1: for all of their extracurricular activities or whatever they've got 283 00:17:10,640 --> 00:17:13,240 Speaker 1: going on. I still hope you can steal away some 284 00:17:13,359 --> 00:17:15,919 Speaker 1: fun time for yourself. Maybe find a bathroom with a 285 00:17:15,920 --> 00:17:18,080 Speaker 1: disco ball in it. Maybe make a bathroom with a 286 00:17:18,080 --> 00:17:20,840 Speaker 1: disco ball in it. Just embrace joy wherever you find it. 287 00:17:20,920 --> 00:17:24,000 Speaker 1: Be kind to one another. We will be right back 288 00:17:24,000 --> 00:17:26,800 Speaker 1: here on Monday with new stuff. We will also be 289 00:17:26,880 --> 00:17:34,600 Speaker 1: back here tomorrow with a classic episode. 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