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Speaker 2: Hey, welcome to another episode of the Blackoutils podcast. I'm

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Speaker 2: your host, Rod Joiners always by my co host, and

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Speaker 2: It's not like happy Memorial Days for all the people

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Speaker 2: Just you know, I guess work good Memorial.

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Speaker 1: Day, Like I don't. I don't know what you say, guys,

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Speaker 1: but it's Memorial Day.

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Speaker 2: At any rate. You can find us on Spotify. The

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Speaker 2: bullet ball Extreme. And there's a lot of news to

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Speaker 2: get into today. So you know, I didn't mind doing

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Speaker 2: the show. Figure it'd be pretty fun to talk about

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Speaker 2: different things. I'm gonna talk about the hot topics before

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Speaker 2: I do coronavirus news.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I gotta start off with number one.

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Speaker 2: Now, we normally talk about this, we wait for the

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Speaker 2: sports show, but I had to talk about it because it's.

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Speaker 1: Like the biggest news. But Naomi Osaka is pulling out

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Speaker 1: of the French Open.

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Speaker 3: Oh I didn't know she was pulling out.

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Speaker 1: She pulled out.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, she called it. Bro She's like, oh, we're guess

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Speaker 3: who I ain't got to be here me and guess

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Speaker 3: what's gonna happen. Nobody gonna watch that, bitch.

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Speaker 1: Well, have you read her statement.

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Speaker 3: Yet?

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Speaker 4: No?

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Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, So the thing is her statement is not

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Speaker 5: So.

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Speaker 1: All right, so let's break down what happened.

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Speaker 2: So, first of all, last week she cited her mental

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Speaker 2: health and announced on Instagram that she would participate in

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Speaker 2: And you know, I understand the adversary relationship between certain

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Speaker 2: although that didn't sound like that was the reason she

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Speaker 1: She cited her.

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Speaker 2: Mental health and just saying like, you know, she was

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Speaker 1: Do the press.

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Speaker 2: Of course, a lot of discussions fawned off of that.

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Speaker 2: Most of it being you know, all of us projecting

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Speaker 2: doing it because of racism, she's doing it because she's

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Speaker 2: a bunch of different reasons that really she never really

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Speaker 3: Once she made that statement, nobody like a lot of shit.

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Speaker 3: So abody makes a statement and nobody actually really cares

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Speaker 3: After that point, everybody projects there from that point forward.

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Speaker 3: They could even tell you what they want, but nobody cares.

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Speaker 3: Most people don't care, and most people aren't really going

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Speaker 3: to listen to why she said. What she said is okay,

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Speaker 3: you said it projection time, yeah.

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Speaker 2: And which is you know, in all fairness, that's what

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Speaker 1: Yep, she's tall. They bluff. She called him out.

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Speaker 2: So, like, I think that's kind of the world we're

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Speaker 2: I'll try my best to stick to what she said

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Speaker 2: what she said the twenty sixth, which was five days ago.

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Speaker 2: Hey everyone, hope y'all doing well. I'm writing this to

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Speaker 2: Rolling Garyls. I've often felt that people have no regard

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Speaker 2: and I'm just not going to subject myself to people

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Speaker 2: you have as well. I believe that whole situation is

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Speaker 1: Me not doing press.

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Speaker 2: There's nothing personal to the tournament, and a couple of

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Speaker 2: journalists have interviewed me since I was young, so I

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Speaker 1: Most of them.

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Speaker 2: However, if the organizations think that they can just keep

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Speaker 1: Then I just gotta laugh.

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Speaker 2: Anyway, as I hope that the considerable amount that I

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Speaker 2: Hugs and kisses piece emoji heart. So that was kind

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Speaker 2: of her throwing the gauntlet down. And that was also

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Speaker 2: apparently the Roland girls. That was their first time hearing

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Speaker 2: figure out like what we're gonna how we can adjust

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Speaker 2: how the press conferences work. She just said, I'm not

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Speaker 2: doing press and you know the reasoning in here, I

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Speaker 2: that if we was someone else, Like I'm not gonna

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Speaker 2: subject myself to doubters and shit like that, Like you know,

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Speaker 2: like the press is supposed to just everyone comes in

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Speaker 2: we don't ask any tough questions. We're not gonna ask

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Speaker 2: you know, about your challenges. We're not you know, those

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Speaker 2: are the things that the press ask about. And you know,

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Speaker 2: to some athletes, I'm sure they say it's beneficial. She's

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Speaker 2: as somebody else might need this, you know what I.

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Speaker 3: Mean, Yeah, because people that actually need the press.

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Speaker 2: But she's she's kind of achieved a point where she

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Speaker 2: lot of sports is about people who don't watch, Like

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Speaker 2: how many people don't watch tennis, but they love now

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Speaker 2: On Yosaka me.

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Speaker 1: Right and Serena right? And why do you love her? Partially?

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Speaker 1: You know, you love her because of that press stuff.

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Speaker 6: Right.

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Speaker 2: Part of the reason that you start to like these

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Speaker 1: But now you can kind of do that.

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Speaker 2: Through Instagram and Twitter and YouTube, so you don't necessarily

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Speaker 2: as an athlete, especially a star athlete, you don't necessarily

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Speaker 2: need the press to get that out. And if you

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Speaker 2: your favor, on your side, your interpretation of things, you

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Speaker 2: can do that directly with social media. Now you don't

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Speaker 2: need to have some third party interpret your words and

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Speaker 2: then present it to everyone in a piece that they

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Speaker 2: I saw when I read this, My thing was like, oh,

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Speaker 2: I hope she's okay.

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Speaker 3: Mm hmmm.

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Speaker 1: I didn't think of it from.

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Speaker 2: The perspective of like, does she standing up for like

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Speaker 2: black Lives matter or something.

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Speaker 1: I just was like, I hope she all right.

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Speaker 2: The press will probably react badly to this, is how

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Speaker 2: I thought, because typically how they always react to someone

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Speaker 2: opting out Yeah, for whatever reason, I thought she kind

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Speaker 2: of taunted Roland Garrels with some of the stuff she said,

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Speaker 2: to ignore the mental health of athletes that are the

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Speaker 1: Even though you.

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Speaker 2: Didn't tell us this, even though you're not articulating this,

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Speaker 1: I think we should change this. You know, at least

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Speaker 2: because that's a big thing for them. And like I said,

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Speaker 2: what if it was like Sharpova Sharapova, who you know,

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Speaker 3: Times she has, but they keep calling, but they keep

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Speaker 1: Yeah, has done performance enhancing drugs and gotten caught.

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Speaker 2: Imagine after them loss with the Serena, she wrote some

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Speaker 2: out because she don't need to be subjected to doubters,

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Speaker 2: and we would take it differently because we don't like

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Speaker 2: that woman. So this is to me, a lot of

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Speaker 2: the discussion around this can't be separated from the fact

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Speaker 2: we like Naomi and we want to see her allowed

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Speaker 2: an exception that the other athletes aren't gonna get, which

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Speaker 1: But the other like the like.

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Speaker 2: So she can go through the whole tournament, but Cocoa

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Speaker 2: Golf has to go and talk to him. Serena gotta

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Speaker 2: go talk to him, Venus gotta go talk to him,

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Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. So I think she's kind

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Speaker 2: of pulling like a little bit of a superstar move

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Speaker 2: here to even do that, right.

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Speaker 1: So that's that's one part of it. That's the first statement.

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Speaker 2: So then the next thing that happens is that she

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Speaker 2: rolling Garros the French Open. They do find her fifteen

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Speaker 2: thousand dollars for not doing the press right, to which

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Speaker 2: everybody was like, they didn't learn shit, you know what

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Speaker 2: are they doing?

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Speaker 3: In her first statement, she knew that was coming.

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Speaker 2: It's not like she yeah, and she kind of anticipated

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Speaker 2: Because the framing online is She's been dealing with this

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Speaker 2: You know, I can see how that would would fuck

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Speaker 1: And now it's like I got a RAPPERR boyfriend.

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Speaker 1: She could just say I'm gonna play, but I'm not

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Speaker 3: You know, like like we don't want to sh show?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, is there like a form that we can fill out?

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Speaker 2: to them, it's like, part of what we sell these

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Speaker 2: It's like, whenever people go, why do they find athletes

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Speaker 2: It's because it's not the sport could probably give a

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Speaker 1: But as a media entity, which sports have to be now,

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Speaker 2: We want everything, and so do the fans, which is

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Speaker 1: We don't want to talk about that. No press conferences

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Speaker 2: They wouldn't be okay with that. They do want to know,

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Speaker 2: they're like, but we did see that, y'all had a problem.

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Speaker 1: What happened?

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Speaker 2: Explain it, you know, tell us what happened, even if

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Speaker 2: People are nosy and the media is kind of the

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Speaker 1: I don't know. We don't care about that. Yes we do,

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Speaker 2: And it's mostly just if you like the person that

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Speaker 2: I want to hear him at least get asked that question,

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Speaker 2: you know, Like I.

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00:21:04,280 --> 00:21:05,520
Speaker 1: Said, it's it's very.

442
00:21:07,359 --> 00:21:09,800
Speaker 2: People are so trapped in as prisoners of the moment,

443
00:21:09,880 --> 00:21:11,640
Speaker 2: they're not able to think it all the way through.

444
00:21:12,720 --> 00:21:15,480
Speaker 2: What is Kaepernick If they don't ask him why he

445
00:21:15,560 --> 00:21:19,120
Speaker 2: took a knee, why he sat? What is He's nobody?

446
00:21:19,440 --> 00:21:22,000
Speaker 2: The whole point is nothing. Hey, well, you know, we

447
00:21:22,080 --> 00:21:23,480
Speaker 2: don't gotta we don't know, We don't got to.

448
00:21:23,440 --> 00:21:25,480
Speaker 1: Ask him no questions like this.

449
00:21:25,720 --> 00:21:28,520
Speaker 2: There's a reason these things happen, and there's a because

450
00:21:28,560 --> 00:21:31,080
Speaker 2: it's essentially helps create the story off the field and

451
00:21:31,119 --> 00:21:34,159
Speaker 2: create the narrative that they sell this ship to us with.

452
00:21:34,480 --> 00:21:37,880
Speaker 1: Right, it's the biggest reality show in the world sports.

453
00:21:39,240 --> 00:21:41,040
Speaker 2: Uh, that's you know, if you think of it that way,

454
00:21:41,600 --> 00:21:43,639
Speaker 2: I think it's a lot easier to process. It's not

455
00:21:43,760 --> 00:21:47,600
Speaker 2: some sacred meritocracy. It's literally a reality TV show where

456
00:21:47,600 --> 00:21:50,760
Speaker 2: they're selling us a narrative. Don't like Russell Westbrook because

457
00:21:50,760 --> 00:21:54,560
Speaker 2: we told you not to like him. Love uh hate

458
00:21:54,600 --> 00:21:58,159
Speaker 2: Kobe Bryant. He dies, love Kobe Bryant, you know, like

459
00:21:58,280 --> 00:22:01,360
Speaker 2: it's you know, he retires. We the best guy ever?

460
00:22:01,640 --> 00:22:04,879
Speaker 3: You know, Yes, And this is one reason why a

461
00:22:04,960 --> 00:22:07,359
Speaker 3: lot of dudes, basically a lot of straight dudes, many

462
00:22:07,600 --> 00:22:11,800
Speaker 3: manly men you know, they try to act like sports

463
00:22:11,840 --> 00:22:13,800
Speaker 3: aren't their soap operas, but it is a form of

464
00:22:13,880 --> 00:22:14,560
Speaker 3: soap operas for them.

465
00:22:14,560 --> 00:22:17,920
Speaker 1: They care about the relationship like that shit.

466
00:22:17,880 --> 00:22:19,800
Speaker 3: Means something, you know, because a lot of men will

467
00:22:19,840 --> 00:22:23,440
Speaker 3: try to act like that is just different from when women,

468
00:22:23,640 --> 00:22:25,520
Speaker 3: you know, watch their favorite shows, the soap operas.

469
00:22:25,600 --> 00:22:27,440
Speaker 2: Like if for some men it's a separation, no, no,

470
00:22:27,840 --> 00:22:30,400
Speaker 2: well I'm the same. I'll take it further than soap opera.

471
00:22:30,640 --> 00:22:36,080
Speaker 2: Reality TV it's the first reality TV. Yes, before the

472
00:22:36,320 --> 00:22:38,600
Speaker 2: Real World, this was reality TV.

473
00:22:38,840 --> 00:22:39,680
Speaker 3: Yes, it was.

474
00:22:39,800 --> 00:22:41,879
Speaker 1: These people don't get alonger these people do.

475
00:22:42,080 --> 00:22:44,560
Speaker 2: Or look at this guy, what he did and what

476
00:22:44,720 --> 00:22:47,600
Speaker 2: he said to this guy, and that stuff takes on legends.

477
00:22:48,080 --> 00:22:51,280
Speaker 2: The sociopath ship that Michael Jordan did the other people

478
00:22:51,480 --> 00:22:56,200
Speaker 2: lives on in infamy, like seeing somebody throw somebody's stuffed

479
00:22:56,200 --> 00:22:59,919
Speaker 2: animal to the river Seattle, like all that those moments

480
00:23:00,119 --> 00:23:01,240
Speaker 2: living infamy.

481
00:23:01,040 --> 00:23:03,640
Speaker 1: Because we love that reality TV shit.

482
00:23:04,160 --> 00:23:05,800
Speaker 2: As long as you're not you know, as long as

483
00:23:05,800 --> 00:23:10,520
Speaker 2: it's not the Kardashian's right, you know, But anyway that's

484
00:23:10,520 --> 00:23:13,879
Speaker 2: getting we're getting sighedtraight, my fault, so she said, I

485
00:23:13,920 --> 00:23:16,360
Speaker 2: wrote propaly to the tournament, apologized and saying I would

486
00:23:16,359 --> 00:23:18,600
Speaker 2: be more happy to speak with them after the tournament

487
00:23:18,600 --> 00:23:20,520
Speaker 2: as the slams are intense. I'm gonna take some time

488
00:23:20,560 --> 00:23:23,080
Speaker 2: away from the court now, but when the time is right,

489
00:23:23,119 --> 00:23:24,920
Speaker 2: I really want to work with the tour to discuss

490
00:23:25,000 --> 00:23:27,120
Speaker 2: ways we can make things better for the players, press

491
00:23:27,200 --> 00:23:30,880
Speaker 2: and fans. Anyways, I hope you all are doing well

492
00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:32,800
Speaker 2: and stay safe. Love you Guys'll see you when I

493
00:23:32,880 --> 00:23:37,080
Speaker 2: see you hard emoji. And so now we got her

494
00:23:37,680 --> 00:23:41,480
Speaker 2: giving us the exact reasons she suffered from depression that

495
00:23:41,600 --> 00:23:45,399
Speaker 2: she's dealt with since the US Open twenty eighteen. And

496
00:23:45,560 --> 00:23:48,800
Speaker 2: that's a major one for me, is because I remember

497
00:23:48,880 --> 00:23:51,200
Speaker 2: that time we talked about it on the show, and

498
00:23:52,359 --> 00:23:57,440
Speaker 2: I think it was just hard to give Naomi any

499
00:23:57,600 --> 00:24:00,560
Speaker 2: level of space in that conversation because it's conation became

500
00:24:00,600 --> 00:24:06,080
Speaker 2: about the infamous court judge that Serena got into it with,

501
00:24:06,560 --> 00:24:10,520
Speaker 2: had an outburst, got kicked out, got disqualified, was.

502
00:24:10,760 --> 00:24:13,119
Speaker 1: Literally in tears with screaming, yelling.

503
00:24:13,960 --> 00:24:17,639
Speaker 2: And on the other side, there's this girl who was

504
00:24:17,760 --> 00:24:22,119
Speaker 2: beating her at twenty one years old, who was beating

505
00:24:22,359 --> 00:24:25,320
Speaker 2: a woman she looked up to, who was beating a

506
00:24:25,400 --> 00:24:28,160
Speaker 2: woman that she saw as an idol and a mentor

507
00:24:28,880 --> 00:24:32,400
Speaker 2: and watching that woman have literally probably the worst day

508
00:24:32,520 --> 00:24:36,320
Speaker 2: on the court of her life, and her she was

509
00:24:36,440 --> 00:24:40,359
Speaker 2: having the best day of her flowerless on the court

510
00:24:41,040 --> 00:24:47,600
Speaker 2: and in that trophy ceremony. I remember when she won,

511
00:24:48,760 --> 00:24:52,600
Speaker 2: she was crying, and Naomi didn't seem to be crying,

512
00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:55,720
Speaker 2: you know, like I said, this is my projective. It

513
00:24:55,760 --> 00:24:57,680
Speaker 2: didn't seem like she was crying like tears of joy,

514
00:24:57,960 --> 00:25:00,600
Speaker 2: like I can't believe I did it. It's like Serena's

515
00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:03,880
Speaker 2: crying because she's so upset. This has kind of been

516
00:25:04,040 --> 00:25:07,679
Speaker 2: ruined now like my victory, which I'm sure was frustrating

517
00:25:07,720 --> 00:25:13,280
Speaker 2: to Serena already, is now like this this mar this

518
00:25:13,560 --> 00:25:14,840
Speaker 2: this scar on the on.

519
00:25:14,920 --> 00:25:17,520
Speaker 1: The on this court, this tournament, on everything.

520
00:25:18,359 --> 00:25:23,600
Speaker 2: And I remember, you know, very graciously, how Serena, you know,

521
00:25:24,520 --> 00:25:29,359
Speaker 2: in a very like mentor sister type way, like comforted

522
00:25:29,720 --> 00:25:32,240
Speaker 2: Naomi as Naomi was winning and in think you know,

523
00:25:32,600 --> 00:25:36,119
Speaker 2: it was very gracious and very you know, classy and stuff.

524
00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:39,280
Speaker 2: But at the end of the day, like she Naomi

525
00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:41,679
Speaker 2: was then thrust into a lot of controversy. You had

526
00:25:41,720 --> 00:25:44,280
Speaker 2: the people going, you know, she only won because of

527
00:25:44,320 --> 00:25:46,920
Speaker 2: this lawn judge, which she was winning handily. At that point,

528
00:25:48,600 --> 00:25:53,160
Speaker 2: you had the people that said she was Japanese, not black.

529
00:25:53,760 --> 00:25:55,440
Speaker 2: Don't call her black, she's Japanese.

530
00:25:56,160 --> 00:25:56,280
Speaker 3: Uh.

531
00:25:56,480 --> 00:25:59,280
Speaker 2: They changed her bio on Wiki to say she was Japanese.

532
00:25:59,480 --> 00:26:02,920
Speaker 2: Not took all the mentions of hate she and black out.

533
00:26:03,520 --> 00:26:06,040
Speaker 2: You had black people claiming her like she's black, she's

534
00:26:06,040 --> 00:26:08,160
Speaker 2: not Japanese. You know, look at her hair.

535
00:26:08,280 --> 00:26:11,000
Speaker 1: You know you had all of that, right, you had.

536
00:26:11,280 --> 00:26:14,879
Speaker 2: You know, you just had a lot of agendas. You know,

537
00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:18,440
Speaker 2: people that love Serena made her a villain for winning,

538
00:26:18,680 --> 00:26:21,320
Speaker 2: for playing her best. She had to become the villain

539
00:26:21,800 --> 00:26:23,639
Speaker 2: because she was fucking up the narrative that we have

540
00:26:23,760 --> 00:26:25,440
Speaker 2: for Serena, which is we wanted to win the most

541
00:26:25,480 --> 00:26:27,960
Speaker 2: tournaments of all time, and how dare this want this

542
00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:30,920
Speaker 2: little girl come in here and fuck this up for Serena?

543
00:26:31,119 --> 00:26:33,040
Speaker 2: You know, and we knew she was gonna be a

544
00:26:33,080 --> 00:26:35,640
Speaker 2: problem for years to come possibly, so it's like, look

545
00:26:35,680 --> 00:26:37,880
Speaker 2: at her getting in the way of our hero.

546
00:26:38,359 --> 00:26:43,880
Speaker 1: Meanwhile, Serena's her hero too, right, you know, not to mention.

547
00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:49,320
Speaker 2: She stepped full face lead into the Black Lives Matter discussion.

548
00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:52,600
Speaker 2: Why wearing those masks last year? Of all the victims

549
00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:55,520
Speaker 2: of people that died by either police or whatnot. And

550
00:26:55,920 --> 00:26:59,600
Speaker 2: it was like, well, now she's the face of this

551
00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:03,800
Speaker 2: tournament and she's also winning. You know, the same people

552
00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:06,000
Speaker 2: that we think are racist for how they treated Serena,

553
00:27:06,520 --> 00:27:09,359
Speaker 2: the same people that we think are racists for the

554
00:27:09,520 --> 00:27:11,040
Speaker 2: comments and the media and stuff.

555
00:27:11,080 --> 00:27:12,879
Speaker 1: She had to deal with that too, you know.

556
00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:18,240
Speaker 2: And she stepped into that knowing what that the slings

557
00:27:18,280 --> 00:27:20,560
Speaker 2: and arrow would be like because she's seen Serena. But

558
00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:23,200
Speaker 2: at the same time, it has to take a mental toll.

559
00:27:23,359 --> 00:27:25,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, and no matter what you see, it's different when

560
00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:27,600
Speaker 3: it's you, Like I think a lot of people fail

561
00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:30,040
Speaker 3: to realize that. Like you could see somebody go through

562
00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:33,320
Speaker 3: something and see how they handle it, But when the

563
00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:35,600
Speaker 3: arrows are pointed in your direction and when.

564
00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:38,560
Speaker 1: You get hit by them, everybody don't.

565
00:27:38,359 --> 00:27:41,000
Speaker 3: Respond the way that they think that they would and

566
00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:42,720
Speaker 3: should until they get hit.

567
00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:44,919
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, and she seemed to be doing an

568
00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:50,080
Speaker 2: amroll job or whatever, and I mean obviously to just

569
00:27:51,320 --> 00:27:52,920
Speaker 2: like I said, not to try to not make this

570
00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:59,480
Speaker 2: about Naomi, but Serena makes everything look so easy that

571
00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:04,600
Speaker 2: even her human moments, even her moments of like despair

572
00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:06,199
Speaker 2: and rage, that she shared with us.

573
00:28:06,280 --> 00:28:08,960
Speaker 1: She just makes it look so easy to just.

574
00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:11,600
Speaker 2: Go and now I'm back composed, and now I'm in

575
00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:14,760
Speaker 2: another tournament, and now I'm playing again, and now I'm

576
00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:17,480
Speaker 2: a mother, and now I'm a wife, and now I'm

577
00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:20,440
Speaker 2: a business owner, and now I'm a mogul now and

578
00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:22,800
Speaker 2: it's just so and it's just everything as black X

579
00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:26,120
Speaker 2: one's all the time. And she just never really lets

580
00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:29,000
Speaker 2: them see her crack that often, and like even when

581
00:28:29,080 --> 00:28:30,600
Speaker 2: she does, she's like right back.

582
00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:34,960
Speaker 1: She's like a staple within the whole. She's like a

583
00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:37,680
Speaker 1: staple where you just like you depend on Serena to

584
00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:41,000
Speaker 1: be there, you know, And I think you know when

585
00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:43,720
Speaker 1: you look up to somebody like that, the cost and

586
00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:46,040
Speaker 1: the toll of being them is a lot, and you

587
00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:48,400
Speaker 1: never really know if you can hack it, like you said,

588
00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:50,560
Speaker 1: until it happens to you. This is the same nao,

589
00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:51,280
Speaker 1: we can't hack it.

590
00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:53,800
Speaker 2: I mean, there's been plenty of times Serena withdrew from

591
00:28:53,840 --> 00:28:56,280
Speaker 2: something we didn't know why, you know, she probably just

592
00:28:56,360 --> 00:28:59,400
Speaker 2: didn't put it on Instagram or tell us whatever it was.

593
00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:02,440
Speaker 1: And a lot of ways Serena and Venus have.

594
00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:07,600
Speaker 2: Fought as these groundbreaking battles so that players after them

595
00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:10,520
Speaker 2: can push beyond their limits. Yes, you know, whether it's

596
00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:14,480
Speaker 2: for paid quality, whether it was for uh the maternal

597
00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:18,000
Speaker 2: the rankings for women that are become pregnant and then

598
00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:20,640
Speaker 2: uh have you know, they kind of go like, let

599
00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:22,520
Speaker 2: me go get birth, let me give my maternal leave.

600
00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:24,760
Speaker 2: And then Tennis World is like, all right, well now

601
00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:27,200
Speaker 2: you're ranked one hundred and fifth. It's like, that's not fair.

602
00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:31,120
Speaker 2: This is the women's tournament we're doing. We're penalizing women

603
00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:31,360
Speaker 2: for that.

604
00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:32,640
Speaker 1: How does that make sense?

605
00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:36,120
Speaker 3: Right? So she had to fight and they changed the rules,

606
00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:38,080
Speaker 3: but it's like it shouldn't have been like that. Anyway,

607
00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:40,840
Speaker 3: I get pregnant, now I lose my ranking? The fuck

608
00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:41,080
Speaker 3: is this?

609
00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:45,600
Speaker 2: The racial battles Serena and Venus have fought, and especially

610
00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:48,000
Speaker 2: just how out spoken Serena has been about.

611
00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:48,680
Speaker 1: Racism and stuff.

612
00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:51,800
Speaker 2: It can't it must pay, it must weigh on you,

613
00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:54,400
Speaker 2: it must you must pay a cost because everyone has.

614
00:29:55,280 --> 00:29:59,680
Speaker 1: And yet they Serena made it look so fucking easy,

615
00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:01,000
Speaker 1: you know what I.

616
00:30:01,040 --> 00:30:05,040
Speaker 2: Mean, And so I can see how even stepping into

617
00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:09,440
Speaker 2: those big ass shoes, it's like, okay, this is a lot.

618
00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:13,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know what I mean. And that's Serena over

619
00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:15,240
Speaker 1: the years gaining more and more.

620
00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:19,080
Speaker 2: Like we're comparing like thirty something year old Serena to

621
00:30:19,280 --> 00:30:22,680
Speaker 2: like twenty three year old Naomi, and that's like a lot, man,

622
00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:26,480
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. So the way I'll see

623
00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:29,320
Speaker 2: the situation is I look at it and it's singular

624
00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:32,840
Speaker 2: because I think all the agendas that people are trying.

625
00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:33,400
Speaker 1: To attached to it.

626
00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:37,960
Speaker 2: It's weird to say this because I know it's coming

627
00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:41,360
Speaker 2: from a good place, but I think it dehumanizes her.

628
00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:44,640
Speaker 1: I think it dehumanizes her and it adds to the

629
00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:45,320
Speaker 1: problem when.

630
00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:47,640
Speaker 2: We try to make her into this archetype of the

631
00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:51,200
Speaker 2: strong black woman who's taking a stand against the French

632
00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:54,440
Speaker 2: opening the tennis media and all this shit. I don't

633
00:30:54,840 --> 00:30:57,880
Speaker 2: see that here yet. I'm not saying she isn't there

634
00:30:57,920 --> 00:31:02,040
Speaker 2: are it can't become that, But it sound like she's

635
00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:05,960
Speaker 2: going through about a depression according to her own words,

636
00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:11,200
Speaker 2: and she's just mentally exhausted and needs a fucking break.

637
00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:14,000
Speaker 1: You know. I don't even like.

638
00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:16,000
Speaker 2: One of the things I keep thinking is I don't

639
00:31:16,040 --> 00:31:17,920
Speaker 2: even know that if she would have been able to

640
00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:20,320
Speaker 2: do the French tournament with no press, if she would

641
00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:23,040
Speaker 2: have made it through that it sounded like she was

642
00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:27,920
Speaker 2: at a point where she was just fucking tired, according

643
00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:33,240
Speaker 2: to the words she wrote on this page. And unfortunately

644
00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:38,400
Speaker 2: you put this out into this universe. And this is

645
00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:42,560
Speaker 2: the thing I talked about when that the girl died

646
00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:45,360
Speaker 2: with the police shot her and they thought she was

647
00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:48,360
Speaker 2: going to stab somebody else, and all of a sudden,

648
00:31:48,360 --> 00:31:52,920
Speaker 2: everybody had these like stories about people that have been adopted,

649
00:31:53,040 --> 00:31:55,320
Speaker 2: people that have been foster kids, and this, that and

650
00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:57,360
Speaker 2: the other, but we really didn't know her story. It

651
00:31:57,560 --> 00:31:59,680
Speaker 2: just was we knew a few details, and that people

652
00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:02,200
Speaker 2: start filling in their gaps, are like, this is what happened,

653
00:32:02,840 --> 00:32:05,480
Speaker 2: and that's the story we're rolling with. Now everybody get

654
00:32:05,520 --> 00:32:08,920
Speaker 2: out there and get your marching orders. And it was like, damn,

655
00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:12,120
Speaker 2: that's have we lost something so fast that we just

656
00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:16,320
Speaker 2: process everybody's individual thing and to put check this box,

657
00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:17,640
Speaker 2: check this box, check this box.

658
00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:20,240
Speaker 1: Now print the story. And that's how it felt.

659
00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:24,479
Speaker 3: Because that's easier that like, like, that's a lot easier, uh.

660
00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:26,760
Speaker 3: And I will say this, I will continue to say this,

661
00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:28,600
Speaker 3: A lot of the who, what, when, we're why and

662
00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:31,160
Speaker 3: how has been lost because in order to do that,

663
00:32:31,360 --> 00:32:33,480
Speaker 3: you have to do shiit loan form, and we don't

664
00:32:33,520 --> 00:32:37,040
Speaker 3: and as as a society as a whole, we don't

665
00:32:37,080 --> 00:32:38,640
Speaker 3: process loan form very easily.

666
00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:41,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, And so you know, look, man, I really do

667
00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:45,360
Speaker 2: hope what most importantly, more than anything else any of

668
00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:48,480
Speaker 2: these motherfuckers are talking about. I really hope that you know,

669
00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:51,960
Speaker 2: she's able to find that balance, get get you know,

670
00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:53,960
Speaker 2: feel like she can get right because.

671
00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:58,680
Speaker 1: Everything else don't really matter, you know what I mean.

672
00:32:58,840 --> 00:33:03,720
Speaker 2: Like, honestly, it reminds me of something Kaepernick said before

673
00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:06,720
Speaker 2: all this shit happened when he got black ball, but

674
00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:10,120
Speaker 2: it was the year after he was injured and he

675
00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:13,160
Speaker 2: came back, and then we want to say it was

676
00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:17,400
Speaker 2: a preseason. They were talking to him and they asked him, like,

677
00:33:17,520 --> 00:33:21,480
Speaker 2: what did he learn when he injured his knee and

678
00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:25,000
Speaker 2: he didn't he couldn't play football, and he said he

679
00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:29,120
Speaker 2: learned he could live without football. And then from that

680
00:33:29,280 --> 00:33:32,040
Speaker 2: point on, everything about his protest made sense to me,

681
00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:34,440
Speaker 2: because I was like, yeah, I think he made a

682
00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:38,080
Speaker 2: decision a long time ago. If these motherfucker's going blackball them,

683
00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:40,880
Speaker 2: he doesn't want that to happen, but he doesn't see

684
00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:44,920
Speaker 2: this as the inevitable. He didn't see this as the

685
00:33:46,040 --> 00:33:48,560
Speaker 2: big scary thing that a lot of the people.

686
00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:50,080
Speaker 1: Commented on it saw it. You know, a lot of

687
00:33:50,160 --> 00:33:51,040
Speaker 1: people commenting were.

688
00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:52,840
Speaker 2: Like, you know, when you see a bunch of black

689
00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:55,200
Speaker 2: athletes being like, all right, man, it's time to stop this.

690
00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:58,560
Speaker 2: It was because they saw it as like the death

691
00:33:58,600 --> 00:34:00,720
Speaker 2: of my career, that's the scariest thing I can think of.

692
00:34:01,560 --> 00:34:04,360
Speaker 2: And he somehow was like, that's not the scariest thing

693
00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:08,160
Speaker 2: I can think of, you know, like I'll exist without

694
00:34:08,160 --> 00:34:11,400
Speaker 2: football just fine, but I you know, but I won't

695
00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:13,680
Speaker 2: feel like I exist right if I don't stand up

696
00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:18,279
Speaker 2: right now or taking me in his case, So anyway, man,

697
00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:20,160
Speaker 2: I just thought that it was kind of weird to

698
00:34:20,160 --> 00:34:23,359
Speaker 2: see everybody flipped to like and then she showed down.

699
00:34:24,440 --> 00:34:27,600
Speaker 1: It's like, I don't know if she I don't know

700
00:34:27,640 --> 00:34:28,520
Speaker 1: if she's doing that or.

701
00:34:28,520 --> 00:34:32,120
Speaker 2: She's literally protecting her mental health, and then we're projecting

702
00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:36,080
Speaker 2: this warrior shit onto her, which I don't know if

703
00:34:36,280 --> 00:34:37,440
Speaker 2: it is good for her either.

704
00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:43,080
Speaker 1: I don't know that that's her intention necessarily for us

705
00:34:43,160 --> 00:34:45,560
Speaker 1: to like, like, you know, you see a lot of

706
00:34:45,640 --> 00:34:46,319
Speaker 1: I support her.

707
00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:49,120
Speaker 2: And then the long ass thread about you know, the

708
00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:52,359
Speaker 2: Tulsa Riots or whatever the fucking like they don't got

709
00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:53,319
Speaker 2: nothing to do with each other.

710
00:34:53,480 --> 00:34:55,520
Speaker 3: Now, I got nothing to do. Like we said, something happened.

711
00:34:55,840 --> 00:34:57,640
Speaker 3: You start off there and then you veer off into

712
00:34:57,719 --> 00:34:58,920
Speaker 3: what you really want to talk about.

713
00:34:59,200 --> 00:35:01,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think we're we're at a point right

714
00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:04,000
Speaker 2: now where a lot of stuff is colliding. And I

715
00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:08,160
Speaker 2: don't blame us like for feeling this way, but a

716
00:35:08,239 --> 00:35:11,680
Speaker 2: lot of these things are colliding. At the same time.

717
00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:16,000
Speaker 2: We're having NBA athletes harassed by fans who are being

718
00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:18,920
Speaker 2: allowed back in arenas for the first time, and.

719
00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:25,160
Speaker 1: We're having the hundred year anniversary of Tulsa riots.

720
00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:27,680
Speaker 2: You know, everyone's passed around this history lesson the day

721
00:35:27,719 --> 00:35:31,879
Speaker 2: of Memorial Day was originally about black soldiers and then.

722
00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:34,160
Speaker 1: It was co opted by you know, white people and shit.

723
00:35:34,440 --> 00:35:37,120
Speaker 1: So like, we're constantly in a battle to find meaning

724
00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:40,200
Speaker 1: and bigger stories and bigger narratives and to thread it

725
00:35:40,239 --> 00:35:40,640
Speaker 1: all together.

726
00:35:40,719 --> 00:35:42,440
Speaker 2: And I don't blame people for wanting to do that.

727
00:35:42,520 --> 00:35:44,080
Speaker 2: I think that's how we make sense of shit in

728
00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:48,279
Speaker 2: our brains. But sometimes I feel like the individual is

729
00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:50,440
Speaker 2: lost in this, and I think that's the kind of

730
00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:54,000
Speaker 2: callousness too. You know, It's like, what she really is

731
00:35:54,080 --> 00:35:57,680
Speaker 2: doing is taking a stand against racism, and the I'm like, well,

732
00:35:57,880 --> 00:36:00,359
Speaker 2: if she's doing that, she should probably say that, yeah,

733
00:36:00,719 --> 00:36:02,239
Speaker 2: before we say that that's what she's doing.

734
00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:03,680
Speaker 3: Don't sound like that's what she's saying.

735
00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:06,040
Speaker 1: It sounds like she could just be having a really

736
00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:09,759
Speaker 1: bad time right now, and then everyone is glimbing on

737
00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:13,080
Speaker 1: to like and this is what that means. We'll see maybe.

738
00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:15,879
Speaker 2: Because it sounds like she's gonna work with them, which

739
00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:19,680
Speaker 2: means it doesn't sound like she's quitting at twenty three.

740
00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:22,560
Speaker 2: It doesn't sound like she's quitting the thing she's the

741
00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:26,560
Speaker 2: best in the world at just yet, you know, And

742
00:36:26,680 --> 00:36:29,120
Speaker 2: sometimes you do need that balance, man, And maybe there

743
00:36:29,160 --> 00:36:30,840
Speaker 2: are some things they can do differently.

744
00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:33,200
Speaker 1: But I think the idea of.

745
00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:37,880
Speaker 2: Everyone opting in or out of the press thing is

746
00:36:37,960 --> 00:36:40,040
Speaker 2: something that's gonna need to be a little more fleshed

747
00:36:40,040 --> 00:36:44,120
Speaker 2: out than just someone announces on Instagram and then everyone

748
00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:47,920
Speaker 2: that has a job working there goes, Okay, No problem is.

749
00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:50,200
Speaker 2: It's gonna take a little bit more than that. It's

750
00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:52,040
Speaker 2: gonna have to at least be official. Hey, let me

751
00:36:52,120 --> 00:36:55,680
Speaker 2: run this by y'all, you know. And even the idea

752
00:36:55,760 --> 00:36:58,960
Speaker 2: of going to IG first is kind of like indicative

753
00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:01,479
Speaker 2: of shit that I talk about to show all the time,

754
00:37:01,560 --> 00:37:05,840
Speaker 2: which is how is this social media shit affecting.

755
00:37:05,480 --> 00:37:06,520
Speaker 1: Our mental health?

756
00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:11,880
Speaker 2: And especially when we're talking about these young black women celebrities.

757
00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:15,200
Speaker 1: We keep seeing over and over and over.

758
00:37:15,120 --> 00:37:18,040
Speaker 2: Again them being some of the people because you know,

759
00:37:18,120 --> 00:37:21,040
Speaker 2: they're on the margins when it comes to like protection

760
00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:24,319
Speaker 2: from you know, harassment and all this shit. We keep

761
00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:27,080
Speaker 2: seeing over and over again them being like, Okay, I'll

762
00:37:27,080 --> 00:37:28,920
Speaker 2: spend a lot of time on this area, or this

763
00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:31,320
Speaker 2: is where I go to get my press release and

764
00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:33,320
Speaker 2: to contact my fans and shit, and then being.

765
00:37:33,239 --> 00:37:34,239
Speaker 1: Like, yo, I got to stop this.

766
00:37:34,360 --> 00:37:36,760
Speaker 2: This is crazy, this is too much, This is fucking

767
00:37:36,840 --> 00:37:38,759
Speaker 2: with my mental health, and then we just act like

768
00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:40,480
Speaker 2: it's just a part of Hey, that's just part of

769
00:37:40,520 --> 00:37:41,000
Speaker 2: the deals.

770
00:37:41,080 --> 00:37:44,040
Speaker 1: Like maybe it doesn't have to be, you know.

771
00:37:44,360 --> 00:37:48,120
Speaker 2: So I'd like to see what comes of this and

772
00:37:48,200 --> 00:37:51,800
Speaker 2: what changes she proposes, because it is also a business.

773
00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:55,480
Speaker 1: Like I remember when.

774
00:37:57,360 --> 00:38:00,520
Speaker 2: Or a long time ago, somebody was just in that

775
00:38:00,680 --> 00:38:02,640
Speaker 2: me and Karen wed you should hire somebody and they

776
00:38:02,640 --> 00:38:04,560
Speaker 2: should do XX and XT for you.

777
00:38:05,120 --> 00:38:07,640
Speaker 1: And I was talking to Karen, I was like, I

778
00:38:07,719 --> 00:38:10,440
Speaker 1: don't really want to hire somebody to do things for

779
00:38:10,560 --> 00:38:13,720
Speaker 1: the show. Yet that I like that we do for ourselves.

780
00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:16,360
Speaker 1: I like that control. It's part of my job. I

781
00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:17,120
Speaker 1: do it full time.

782
00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:20,120
Speaker 2: I don't mind scheduling things and emailing people and all

783
00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:22,520
Speaker 2: this stuff. But then also part of it was like

784
00:38:22,840 --> 00:38:27,920
Speaker 2: being a boss comes with some responsibilities, and being with

785
00:38:28,360 --> 00:38:29,520
Speaker 2: an employee.

786
00:38:29,080 --> 00:38:30,440
Speaker 1: Comes with some expectations.

787
00:38:31,040 --> 00:38:34,600
Speaker 2: I'm not a person that likes to impress upon people

788
00:38:34,640 --> 00:38:38,279
Speaker 2: the expectations that they gave me and say you're not

789
00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:40,520
Speaker 2: fulfilling those, because that's the worst case scenario.

790
00:38:40,600 --> 00:38:42,320
Speaker 1: No one thinks about that. We always think of a positive.

791
00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:42,480
Speaker 7: Right.

792
00:38:42,680 --> 00:38:44,480
Speaker 2: You hire somebody that do a great job, you love them,

793
00:38:44,520 --> 00:38:46,560
Speaker 2: they love you, boom. But it's like, what if you

794
00:38:46,640 --> 00:38:49,360
Speaker 2: hired somebody and they're like, you know that very important

795
00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:52,279
Speaker 2: project that you had scheduled for this week, I need

796
00:38:52,360 --> 00:38:54,759
Speaker 2: some mental health stuff and I'm not gonna do it

797
00:38:56,440 --> 00:38:59,640
Speaker 2: now for me personally, That's never gonna be an excuse

798
00:38:59,680 --> 00:39:02,840
Speaker 2: for me. So like, and by this I mean me personally,

799
00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:05,640
Speaker 2: Rod Morrow. So if if I'm like, my taxes are

800
00:39:05,680 --> 00:39:08,680
Speaker 2: due April fifteen, I won't come in here April fourteenth

801
00:39:08,719 --> 00:39:09,640
Speaker 2: and be like mental health.

802
00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:11,520
Speaker 1: I don't feel like it fucked them taxes.

803
00:39:12,040 --> 00:39:13,800
Speaker 2: I'm gonna do the taxes and just be like I

804
00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:16,480
Speaker 2: had a very I was very depressed and anxious that day,

805
00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:19,000
Speaker 2: and I had to do my taxes because I understand

806
00:39:19,040 --> 00:39:21,560
Speaker 2: what that means for my business, right and because I

807
00:39:21,719 --> 00:39:23,960
Speaker 2: have to pay the brunt of the costs either way.

808
00:39:25,239 --> 00:39:28,560
Speaker 2: You know, if me telling my own self to kind

809
00:39:28,600 --> 00:39:30,640
Speaker 2: of quote unquote man up for lack of a better term,

810
00:39:31,040 --> 00:39:34,080
Speaker 2: human up, what the fuck is the right person up?

811
00:39:34,320 --> 00:39:38,040
Speaker 2: Person adult up to adult up to grown up? I

812
00:39:38,160 --> 00:39:40,880
Speaker 2: don't know me telling myself to be that to do that.

813
00:39:41,640 --> 00:39:43,200
Speaker 1: No one can come in here and be like Rod,

814
00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:44,440
Speaker 1: that's fucked up what you just did.

815
00:39:44,880 --> 00:39:48,080
Speaker 2: But if I told somebody that worked for me, hey, man,

816
00:39:48,200 --> 00:39:50,320
Speaker 2: I'm gonna need you to adult up, come and do

817
00:39:50,440 --> 00:39:53,360
Speaker 2: these taxes. If not, we fin to get fined and

818
00:39:53,560 --> 00:39:55,759
Speaker 2: all kinds of shit that we don't want to deal

819
00:39:55,800 --> 00:39:58,400
Speaker 2: with on our side, now I look like a fucking

820
00:39:58,480 --> 00:40:00,560
Speaker 2: bully and a bad guy because I I just asked

821
00:40:00,600 --> 00:40:02,839
Speaker 2: the person to do the thing that they said they

822
00:40:02,840 --> 00:40:05,080
Speaker 2: would do as part of the job that I hired

823
00:40:05,120 --> 00:40:08,120
Speaker 2: them for or the job. You know, So these tournaments

824
00:40:08,200 --> 00:40:10,760
Speaker 2: are kind of like the bad guy in this situation

825
00:40:10,840 --> 00:40:14,200
Speaker 2: because they're the job. So the job is never gonna

826
00:40:14,280 --> 00:40:16,520
Speaker 2: just be like you can just at a moment's notice

827
00:40:16,520 --> 00:40:18,959
Speaker 2: say fuck it. They're always gonna be like you gotta

828
00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:21,759
Speaker 2: run up the flag pole. You know, all of us

829
00:40:21,840 --> 00:40:25,080
Speaker 2: that have jobs understand that to some degree. You know,

830
00:40:25,200 --> 00:40:28,560
Speaker 2: we want that freedom and stuff. But we would definitely

831
00:40:28,680 --> 00:40:31,440
Speaker 2: look sideways at another employee that was able to get

832
00:40:31,520 --> 00:40:33,839
Speaker 2: certain benefits from the job that we weren't.

833
00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:35,920
Speaker 1: Because they were really good at the job. We'd be like, well,

834
00:40:35,960 --> 00:40:38,719
Speaker 1: that's also kind of fucked up, and we all have

835
00:40:38,880 --> 00:40:41,279
Speaker 1: done that. Well, I know if my ass told them.

836
00:40:42,120 --> 00:40:44,080
Speaker 2: I remember when time was in a meeting and a

837
00:40:44,120 --> 00:40:45,880
Speaker 2: guy said came in late to the meeting and they

838
00:40:45,880 --> 00:40:47,799
Speaker 2: asked the why it was late, and his clothes were

839
00:40:47,840 --> 00:40:50,440
Speaker 2: looking kind of, you know, disheveled, and he said he

840
00:40:50,600 --> 00:40:54,680
Speaker 2: fell asleep on a lake drinking the day before the

841
00:40:54,800 --> 00:40:59,759
Speaker 2: night before, and yes he was. And I was thinking

842
00:40:59,760 --> 00:41:01,920
Speaker 2: to myself, if my black ass would have said that,

843
00:41:01,960 --> 00:41:03,640
Speaker 2: I would have been in an office.

844
00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:04,480
Speaker 1: Talking about it right now.

845
00:41:05,239 --> 00:41:08,840
Speaker 2: But they liked him, and so he got a benefit

846
00:41:09,040 --> 00:41:11,520
Speaker 2: that I did not get, which is the come in

847
00:41:11,719 --> 00:41:16,520
Speaker 2: hungover and just tell everybody at the office that shit

848
00:41:16,920 --> 00:41:19,120
Speaker 2: in the clothes you had on the day before, and

849
00:41:19,239 --> 00:41:21,799
Speaker 2: everybody laughed at it, and then we moved the fuck

850
00:41:21,840 --> 00:41:23,160
Speaker 2: on and nobody got in trouble.

851
00:41:23,200 --> 00:41:25,960
Speaker 1: And he was late. You understand what I'm saying. So

852
00:41:26,160 --> 00:41:28,759
Speaker 1: like when I describe it like that, you go, I

853
00:41:28,760 --> 00:41:31,759
Speaker 1: don't give a fuck what his mental health was. Fuck him.

854
00:41:32,040 --> 00:41:33,640
Speaker 1: He could have been like, now, look, you could have

855
00:41:33,640 --> 00:41:35,919
Speaker 1: got him in an office. He'd been like, I'm an alcoholic, Okay,

856
00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:38,680
Speaker 1: I have a serious mental issue. This is a disease,

857
00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:40,800
Speaker 1: and it's not fair for you to reprimand me for

858
00:41:40,920 --> 00:41:43,480
Speaker 1: coming in late just because I have I'm alcoholic. That's

859
00:41:43,600 --> 00:41:46,200
Speaker 1: not right. And it's like that is his narrative, that

860
00:41:46,320 --> 00:41:46,880
Speaker 1: is his story.

861
00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:50,120
Speaker 2: At the same time, you probably getting written up for

862
00:41:50,160 --> 00:41:52,560
Speaker 2: that one dog, you know what I mean, Like, like,

863
00:41:52,600 --> 00:41:55,000
Speaker 2: I gotta understand your job being like be that as

864
00:41:55,080 --> 00:41:56,319
Speaker 2: it may be.

865
00:41:56,440 --> 00:41:58,160
Speaker 3: That ass man. We can get you help for that,

866
00:41:58,400 --> 00:42:01,120
Speaker 3: but this right here is not is not We have

867
00:42:01,280 --> 00:42:02,760
Speaker 3: to do something about this behavior.

868
00:42:03,080 --> 00:42:04,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, So I think it's.

869
00:42:06,560 --> 00:42:09,880
Speaker 2: I think I think it's just difficult for people to

870
00:42:10,040 --> 00:42:12,920
Speaker 2: divorce the fact that we really really root for and

871
00:42:13,160 --> 00:42:16,560
Speaker 2: like now me from the fact that if this was

872
00:42:16,760 --> 00:42:20,200
Speaker 2: any literally almost anybody else, none of us would have

873
00:42:20,320 --> 00:42:24,640
Speaker 2: this reaction, it would be different, you know what I mean,

874
00:42:24,800 --> 00:42:27,080
Speaker 2: if it was like or just not even somebody I

875
00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:29,200
Speaker 2: just imagining with someone you don't like.

876
00:42:30,320 --> 00:42:32,719
Speaker 1: That's all somebody you don't like.

877
00:42:32,840 --> 00:42:35,000
Speaker 2: And now we got a whole different set of opinions

878
00:42:35,040 --> 00:42:38,840
Speaker 2: about the same fucking thing, you know. And also, like

879
00:42:38,920 --> 00:42:41,520
Speaker 2: I said, this environment so fucked up right now because

880
00:42:42,480 --> 00:42:45,560
Speaker 2: the NBA players are dealing with this, you know, the

881
00:42:46,680 --> 00:42:50,120
Speaker 2: the uh fans attacking and throwing shit at them and

882
00:42:50,160 --> 00:42:50,720
Speaker 2: all this stuff.

883
00:42:51,120 --> 00:42:53,120
Speaker 1: So I think everyone's in a like fight or flight

884
00:42:53,440 --> 00:42:54,120
Speaker 1: mode right now.

885
00:42:54,200 --> 00:42:57,600
Speaker 2: We're just like, we gotta have everybody's back, and you know,

886
00:42:58,200 --> 00:43:01,400
Speaker 2: and I think I agree with having people's back, but

887
00:43:01,480 --> 00:43:04,520
Speaker 2: I think people should consider what having Naomi's back is.

888
00:43:05,000 --> 00:43:07,000
Speaker 1: And I don't think having Naomi's back is.

889
00:43:09,160 --> 00:43:14,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, no press conferences at the at the French Open anymore, Like,

890
00:43:15,040 --> 00:43:17,160
Speaker 2: I don't think that's it. I think if you really

891
00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:19,080
Speaker 2: want to have somebody's back when they're going through something

892
00:43:19,120 --> 00:43:20,919
Speaker 2: like this, it's really allowing.

893
00:43:20,600 --> 00:43:22,960
Speaker 1: In the space to like heal and to do what

894
00:43:23,040 --> 00:43:24,279
Speaker 1: they need to do to manage this.

895
00:43:24,600 --> 00:43:27,560
Speaker 2: Because if you've been do you understand how people glossed

896
00:43:27,600 --> 00:43:29,919
Speaker 2: over the shit is she's been dealing with depression since

897
00:43:29,960 --> 00:43:35,799
Speaker 2: twenty eighteen. Do you understand, Like, I don't think people

898
00:43:35,840 --> 00:43:37,759
Speaker 2: are understanding, you know what I mean, Like, that's a

899
00:43:37,880 --> 00:43:41,320
Speaker 2: serious fucking thing. We don't know what that means, what

900
00:43:41,440 --> 00:43:43,520
Speaker 2: the depths of that is, and the fact that she's

901
00:43:43,560 --> 00:43:47,520
Speaker 2: been functioning through that for the last three years.

902
00:43:47,640 --> 00:43:48,959
Speaker 3: A lot of people do it all the time.

903
00:43:49,160 --> 00:43:51,800
Speaker 1: People all around you constantly are like that.

904
00:43:51,920 --> 00:43:54,640
Speaker 2: And I think a lot of people because we have

905
00:43:54,840 --> 00:43:57,880
Speaker 2: such a black and white, simple A to B causality

906
00:43:58,200 --> 00:44:02,960
Speaker 2: thing with mental health, we think, you know everything, we

907
00:44:03,080 --> 00:44:06,880
Speaker 2: think we're helping when we can turn somebody to a

908
00:44:06,920 --> 00:44:07,840
Speaker 2: good guy, somebody.

909
00:44:07,640 --> 00:44:09,440
Speaker 1: To a bad guy. But that's not really how that

910
00:44:09,480 --> 00:44:12,000
Speaker 1: shit works, you know what I mean.

911
00:44:12,120 --> 00:44:14,600
Speaker 2: So I just really hope whatever she's able to do,

912
00:44:15,600 --> 00:44:18,239
Speaker 2: you know, as far as, like you know, her own

913
00:44:18,400 --> 00:44:22,120
Speaker 2: resources and however much time she needs a way, I

914
00:44:22,200 --> 00:44:22,759
Speaker 2: hope that's what.

915
00:44:22,880 --> 00:44:23,400
Speaker 1: This is about.

916
00:44:23,480 --> 00:44:26,480
Speaker 2: I really don't hope it's as simple as what people

917
00:44:26,560 --> 00:44:28,840
Speaker 2: think this is, with just her folding her arms and saying, well,

918
00:44:28,920 --> 00:44:31,560
Speaker 2: fuck you, I won't do your tournament. You know you won't,

919
00:44:31,640 --> 00:44:33,640
Speaker 2: you know, Like, I really hope it's not.

920
00:44:33,800 --> 00:44:36,319
Speaker 1: Because that really would trivialize to.

921
00:44:36,480 --> 00:44:41,000
Speaker 2: Me, like that wouldn't necessarily make her what people are saying,

922
00:44:41,160 --> 00:44:43,839
Speaker 2: that would trivialize it if it's like, actually, nothing's wrong

923
00:44:43,840 --> 00:44:46,200
Speaker 2: with me, but fuck you and fuck your tournament because

924
00:44:46,200 --> 00:44:49,319
Speaker 2: I didn't feel like doing press and I then y'all,

925
00:44:50,680 --> 00:44:54,800
Speaker 2: then she is the monster that people claim they don't like.

926
00:44:55,760 --> 00:44:58,000
Speaker 2: And I don't think she I don't know her, but

927
00:44:58,120 --> 00:45:00,960
Speaker 2: I hope that's not it. I hope she's not just

928
00:45:01,080 --> 00:45:03,640
Speaker 2: some type of egotistical monster. It reminds me so much

929
00:45:03,680 --> 00:45:05,760
Speaker 2: of when you see discussions on social media about therapy

930
00:45:07,080 --> 00:45:11,799
Speaker 2: and apparently nobody honors the client patient privileged thing where

931
00:45:11,800 --> 00:45:14,600
Speaker 2: you just or you know, like like they expect the

932
00:45:14,640 --> 00:45:17,200
Speaker 2: therapists to honor it, but the patient don't, Like they

933
00:45:17,280 --> 00:45:18,879
Speaker 2: just walk out of the office and blah blah blah.

934
00:45:19,280 --> 00:45:21,880
Speaker 1: But it reminds me so many times when I see.

935
00:45:21,719 --> 00:45:24,960
Speaker 2: People share a story about that therapist on Twitter, and

936
00:45:25,040 --> 00:45:27,360
Speaker 2: it's always something like not always, but a lot of

937
00:45:27,560 --> 00:45:29,480
Speaker 2: the stories that I'm talking about, they all go like this,

938
00:45:30,840 --> 00:45:34,279
Speaker 2: I was in therapy and my therapist told me that

939
00:45:34,600 --> 00:45:37,000
Speaker 2: maybe I need to look inside myself.

940
00:45:37,080 --> 00:45:42,160
Speaker 1: And forgive of you know, my forgive my mother for the.

941
00:45:42,200 --> 00:45:44,480
Speaker 2: Thing she said to me or something like that right,

942
00:45:44,600 --> 00:45:46,480
Speaker 2: or something you know, something out of context like that right,

943
00:45:47,280 --> 00:45:48,839
Speaker 2: And then it's like and now I need a new

944
00:45:48,920 --> 00:45:52,160
Speaker 2: therapist or you know, or somebody will chime in and

945
00:45:52,280 --> 00:45:55,239
Speaker 2: be like, man, fuck that therapist, blah blah blah. And

946
00:45:55,360 --> 00:45:57,920
Speaker 2: I always think to myself as somebody that's actually, you know,

947
00:45:58,440 --> 00:46:04,440
Speaker 2: done therapy a bit. It's like, you know, there's context, right, Well,

948
00:46:04,560 --> 00:46:08,520
Speaker 2: that happens in a bunch of fucking sessions after like

949
00:46:08,640 --> 00:46:12,360
Speaker 2: you do realize that someone that spent hours listening to

950
00:46:12,440 --> 00:46:17,319
Speaker 2: you talk and asking you questions. It what we are

951
00:46:17,440 --> 00:46:20,359
Speaker 2: supporting on social media and is really quick drive by

952
00:46:20,480 --> 00:46:23,319
Speaker 2: way where we have no responsibility to this person's life.

953
00:46:23,800 --> 00:46:27,840
Speaker 2: What we call support, well, we may be validating the

954
00:46:27,960 --> 00:46:31,080
Speaker 2: thing that the therapist is trying to help them with, right, you.

955
00:46:31,120 --> 00:46:31,560
Speaker 3: Know what I mean.

956
00:46:31,680 --> 00:46:33,000
Speaker 1: We don't know the full picture.

957
00:46:34,360 --> 00:46:38,160
Speaker 2: We just think we're helping because we think support looks

958
00:46:38,239 --> 00:46:43,560
Speaker 2: like a like or retweet. But sometimes support is tougher

959
00:46:43,640 --> 00:46:46,200
Speaker 2: and more nuanced than that, you know what I mean.

960
00:46:46,400 --> 00:46:51,120
Speaker 2: It's like, maybe this person is manipulating you and telling

961
00:46:51,239 --> 00:46:53,759
Speaker 2: you what you want to hear. It's like when the

962
00:46:53,840 --> 00:46:56,000
Speaker 2: same thing happens when you know, I'm a fat person.

963
00:46:56,360 --> 00:46:58,400
Speaker 2: I go to my doctor, there's certain things our doctor's

964
00:46:58,440 --> 00:47:01,560
Speaker 2: gonna say, right, because doctors looking at my vitals, they're

965
00:47:01,560 --> 00:47:03,719
Speaker 2: looking at my history, they're looking at my test they're

966
00:47:03,719 --> 00:47:04,680
Speaker 2: looking at all this shit.

967
00:47:04,960 --> 00:47:05,799
Speaker 1: There's ranges that.

968
00:47:05,840 --> 00:47:07,879
Speaker 3: Are good that all this shit.

969
00:47:08,640 --> 00:47:11,160
Speaker 2: Sometimes it's good and it's within this right range and

970
00:47:11,200 --> 00:47:12,960
Speaker 2: we're on the right path, and sometimes I'm not.

971
00:47:13,480 --> 00:47:17,000
Speaker 1: Okay, my doctor knows that because that's their fucking job.

972
00:47:17,760 --> 00:47:19,800
Speaker 2: So if I come in and my doctor's talking to

973
00:47:19,920 --> 00:47:23,240
Speaker 2: me about I don't know, diet and exercise or something,

974
00:47:24,040 --> 00:47:26,600
Speaker 2: and then I hop on Twitter and I go my

975
00:47:26,760 --> 00:47:27,800
Speaker 2: doctor is fat phobic.

976
00:47:27,840 --> 00:47:30,680
Speaker 1: They tell me to lose some weight. People go, see, this.

977
00:47:30,680 --> 00:47:32,520
Speaker 2: Is what's wrong with the medical industry. They look at you,

978
00:47:32,560 --> 00:47:34,239
Speaker 2: they just say you fat, Da da da da. Now

979
00:47:34,320 --> 00:47:36,840
Speaker 2: I'm just gonna skip over. My cholesterol was fucked up,

980
00:47:36,920 --> 00:47:39,520
Speaker 2: my blood sugar was messed up. My you know, my

981
00:47:39,600 --> 00:47:40,600
Speaker 2: kidney's about to fail.

982
00:47:41,000 --> 00:47:41,200
Speaker 1: Y'all.

983
00:47:41,400 --> 00:47:44,560
Speaker 2: Motherfuckers will still port you into kidney failure because they

984
00:47:44,600 --> 00:47:45,680
Speaker 2: don't really give a fuck.

985
00:47:45,760 --> 00:47:47,759
Speaker 1: They didn't go to school for it.

986
00:47:47,880 --> 00:47:51,000
Speaker 2: There's no malpractice against Twitter, and nobody gives a fuck

987
00:47:51,040 --> 00:47:54,680
Speaker 2: about that, and it doesn't fit that narrative that.

988
00:47:54,880 --> 00:47:57,360
Speaker 1: All doctors are evil, fat, phobic motherfuckers that want to

989
00:47:57,360 --> 00:48:00,440
Speaker 1: see you die. It doesn't fit that narrative, you know

990
00:48:00,480 --> 00:48:00,959
Speaker 1: what I'm saying.

991
00:48:01,080 --> 00:48:05,279
Speaker 2: So now they don't want to hear any nuanced or

992
00:48:05,280 --> 00:48:07,000
Speaker 2: any other side to it. You know what I'm saying now,

993
00:48:07,080 --> 00:48:09,440
Speaker 2: I'm not personally, I ain't wanted to share what the

994
00:48:09,480 --> 00:48:11,400
Speaker 2: fuck my therapist a doctor said with people for the

995
00:48:11,480 --> 00:48:14,000
Speaker 2: most part, and I definitely ain't gonna share it the

996
00:48:14,040 --> 00:48:16,320
Speaker 2: shade them, because I think that's pretty ridiculous. If I

997
00:48:16,400 --> 00:48:18,040
Speaker 2: really need a new therapist, I just go get one,

998
00:48:18,080 --> 00:48:21,719
Speaker 2: because I'm an adult. But the point, the point being,

999
00:48:21,840 --> 00:48:26,120
Speaker 2: though the support we have online is often fucked up.

1000
00:48:27,000 --> 00:48:29,800
Speaker 2: It's often not a clear whole picture. It's just what

1001
00:48:30,040 --> 00:48:34,440
Speaker 2: we think somebody should want to hear. And because it's

1002
00:48:34,440 --> 00:48:37,040
Speaker 2: all about validation, yeah, and that's you know, it's kind

1003
00:48:37,080 --> 00:48:39,239
Speaker 2: of like, that's that's not how friendship work. It's not

1004
00:48:39,239 --> 00:48:42,040
Speaker 2: how family works, not how the marriage works. Sometimes it's

1005
00:48:42,040 --> 00:48:43,440
Speaker 2: gonna be some shit you don't want to hear. It

1006
00:48:43,520 --> 00:48:45,200
Speaker 2: doesn't have to be said in the mean way, but

1007
00:48:45,360 --> 00:48:48,279
Speaker 2: sometimes it's gonna be like, hey, you know, maybe you

1008
00:48:48,440 --> 00:48:51,440
Speaker 2: do need to do blank, or maybe you should talk

1009
00:48:51,520 --> 00:48:52,880
Speaker 2: to this person or whatever.

1010
00:48:52,880 --> 00:48:55,120
Speaker 3: Because you're the person that spent hours with them, the

1011
00:48:55,239 --> 00:48:57,279
Speaker 3: other person that got notes on you. They're the person

1012
00:48:57,360 --> 00:48:59,640
Speaker 3: that has listened to your family history and then whatever

1013
00:48:59,719 --> 00:49:03,160
Speaker 3: else you told them. And sometimes they might tell you ay.

1014
00:49:03,480 --> 00:49:06,319
Speaker 3: Sometimes you know, depend on the doctor, presson. They might

1015
00:49:06,440 --> 00:49:08,359
Speaker 3: tell you ay. What you need to do is step

1016
00:49:08,400 --> 00:49:10,839
Speaker 3: away from social media, take a break. And I've seen

1017
00:49:10,920 --> 00:49:13,279
Speaker 3: these people go on social media and talk about them

1018
00:49:13,400 --> 00:49:15,200
Speaker 3: like they telling me I need to get out social media.

1019
00:49:15,239 --> 00:49:17,600
Speaker 3: I don't know why they told you that, baby.

1020
00:49:17,560 --> 00:49:19,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just the narrative is I walked into a room,

1021
00:49:20,000 --> 00:49:22,440
Speaker 2: this person is evil and wants to destroy me, and

1022
00:49:23,000 --> 00:49:26,000
Speaker 2: y'all are my real friends on the outside looking in,

1023
00:49:26,160 --> 00:49:28,040
Speaker 2: And y'all are gonna tell me to do what I

1024
00:49:28,120 --> 00:49:30,479
Speaker 2: already want to do what I want all the time.

1025
00:49:31,440 --> 00:49:33,880
Speaker 2: You know, It's like if you asked Twitter some should

1026
00:49:33,920 --> 00:49:36,440
Speaker 2: I do blank? Everyone's gonna say yes because you want

1027
00:49:36,480 --> 00:49:38,920
Speaker 2: to do it and it doesn't cost them shit, you know,

1028
00:49:39,520 --> 00:49:41,640
Speaker 2: Like for the most part of this it's some you know,

1029
00:49:41,880 --> 00:49:43,839
Speaker 2: ridiculous thing. But if you go, hey, should I get

1030
00:49:43,880 --> 00:49:44,719
Speaker 2: some ice cream to night?

1031
00:49:44,880 --> 00:49:47,800
Speaker 1: Yes? Why not treat yourself? Right, that's what we do.

1032
00:49:48,200 --> 00:49:48,360
Speaker 7: You know.

1033
00:49:48,960 --> 00:49:52,520
Speaker 1: So now me osaka essentially, should I have to talk

1034
00:49:52,560 --> 00:49:54,880
Speaker 1: to the media, No, girl, do what you want to do.

1035
00:49:55,600 --> 00:49:58,840
Speaker 1: It's like okay, But she also just says she's.

1036
00:49:58,719 --> 00:50:01,560
Speaker 2: Dealing with depression and us even like talking to the

1037
00:50:01,640 --> 00:50:03,920
Speaker 2: media or not talking to the media if it's a

1038
00:50:04,080 --> 00:50:07,920
Speaker 2: serious about a depression, and it's you know, kind of

1039
00:50:08,000 --> 00:50:10,280
Speaker 2: coded in the way that she coded that first message,

1040
00:50:10,360 --> 00:50:13,719
Speaker 2: just like maybe this is bigger than what Twitter can do.

1041
00:50:14,280 --> 00:50:17,239
Speaker 2: It's you know, I often think about this when people

1042
00:50:17,280 --> 00:50:20,919
Speaker 2: say shit like protect hashtag protect black women or something

1043
00:50:21,000 --> 00:50:24,400
Speaker 2: on Twitter, and at the same time, like a tweet

1044
00:50:24,680 --> 00:50:25,920
Speaker 2: isn't protection.

1045
00:50:26,000 --> 00:50:26,400
Speaker 3: No, it's not.

1046
00:50:27,040 --> 00:50:30,240
Speaker 1: So just because you tweeted, that doesn't mean shit.

1047
00:50:30,719 --> 00:50:34,520
Speaker 2: So if somebody is threatening my life, you coming in

1048
00:50:34,600 --> 00:50:38,120
Speaker 2: and sending me a cat emoji. I know you might

1049
00:50:38,320 --> 00:50:40,759
Speaker 2: think that that dope mean here is gonna change. It

1050
00:50:40,840 --> 00:50:42,840
Speaker 2: doesn't change a motherfucker want to kill me?

1051
00:50:44,400 --> 00:50:47,440
Speaker 1: So what like, so why do we why do we feel?

1052
00:50:47,719 --> 00:50:48,920
Speaker 1: But it makes us feel.

1053
00:50:48,719 --> 00:50:50,480
Speaker 2: Empowered because it's all we can do. I guess I

1054
00:50:50,560 --> 00:50:53,480
Speaker 2: answer my own question. It makes us feel empowered. It's

1055
00:50:53,480 --> 00:50:55,879
Speaker 2: the only thing that such space allows us to do. Hey,

1056
00:50:56,040 --> 00:50:57,200
Speaker 2: I send you a cat emoji.

1057
00:50:57,320 --> 00:51:00,560
Speaker 1: I fixed it, and it's like no, my my mom's

1058
00:51:00,560 --> 00:51:03,440
Speaker 1: still still dead or whatever the fuck, like like this

1059
00:51:03,600 --> 00:51:04,840
Speaker 1: didn't change that for me.

1060
00:51:05,440 --> 00:51:07,239
Speaker 3: And you're the one that has to deal with the

1061
00:51:07,360 --> 00:51:10,360
Speaker 3: consequences of listening to a therapist or not listening to

1062
00:51:10,440 --> 00:51:13,120
Speaker 3: a therapist or whatever you decide to do, because I've

1063
00:51:13,200 --> 00:51:15,480
Speaker 3: also seen wonderful things. But people have went to a

1064
00:51:15,560 --> 00:51:17,319
Speaker 3: therapist and they come back and they'll talk about how

1065
00:51:17,360 --> 00:51:19,719
Speaker 3: they've had breakthroughs, how they work through stuff, but guess what,

1066
00:51:19,880 --> 00:51:21,919
Speaker 3: a lot of their work was not done in front

1067
00:51:21,920 --> 00:51:22,160
Speaker 3: of us.

1068
00:51:22,480 --> 00:51:25,440
Speaker 1: They postshit after they've actually people people often say, what

1069
00:51:25,640 --> 00:51:28,040
Speaker 1: therapy isn't easy all the time, it.

1070
00:51:28,040 --> 00:51:31,760
Speaker 2: Says, they even say it's work, yes, But then every

1071
00:51:31,840 --> 00:51:34,200
Speaker 2: time somebody brings this shit up in public and that

1072
00:51:34,280 --> 00:51:36,680
Speaker 2: type of way, we go thrown through the work and

1073
00:51:36,800 --> 00:51:38,640
Speaker 2: then we go we're the ones who are right, not

1074
00:51:38,760 --> 00:51:40,879
Speaker 2: the people that got paid and sat in the room

1075
00:51:40,920 --> 00:51:43,920
Speaker 2: with you and have a lot more insight to what

1076
00:51:44,040 --> 00:51:46,040
Speaker 2: we're talking about than what we have from your social

1077
00:51:46,080 --> 00:51:48,720
Speaker 2: media because everything I'll seeving on social media is curated

1078
00:51:48,800 --> 00:51:53,200
Speaker 2: through you, right, so my picture of you as the

1079
00:51:53,440 --> 00:51:56,760
Speaker 2: like whatever the fuck you're promoting is one you chose

1080
00:51:56,840 --> 00:52:00,200
Speaker 2: to show me. So even in this situation where your

1081
00:52:00,280 --> 00:52:02,719
Speaker 2: therapist where it's different, it's real life.

1082
00:52:03,160 --> 00:52:06,000
Speaker 1: I don't know what you told them, like like.

1083
00:52:06,680 --> 00:52:08,399
Speaker 2: Like if I feel like if you do some shit

1084
00:52:08,480 --> 00:52:09,840
Speaker 2: like that, I should be able to say, you know what,

1085
00:52:10,160 --> 00:52:12,480
Speaker 2: send me the hour long recordings of all your sessions.

1086
00:52:12,880 --> 00:52:14,000
Speaker 1: I'm gonna save this tweet.

1087
00:52:14,400 --> 00:52:16,000
Speaker 2: I'm gonna listen to those, and I'm gonna come back

1088
00:52:16,040 --> 00:52:17,320
Speaker 2: to you in twenty hours and tell you how I

1089
00:52:17,400 --> 00:52:17,879
Speaker 2: really feel.

1090
00:52:18,239 --> 00:52:20,560
Speaker 1: Cause it's like, you know, I got an m complete

1091
00:52:20,600 --> 00:52:21,120
Speaker 1: picture when.

1092
00:52:21,040 --> 00:52:22,919
Speaker 2: You be Like I walked in and my therapist said

1093
00:52:23,360 --> 00:52:27,120
Speaker 2: that it's time for me to stop crying and time

1094
00:52:27,200 --> 00:52:29,600
Speaker 2: for me to stand up, and I said, bitch, I'm

1095
00:52:29,600 --> 00:52:32,160
Speaker 2: getting a different therapist. And I'm like, well, I don't

1096
00:52:32,200 --> 00:52:35,160
Speaker 2: know what the context of that was. I don't think

1097
00:52:35,360 --> 00:52:37,960
Speaker 2: your therapist is just an evil, wicked wish that came

1098
00:52:38,040 --> 00:52:41,360
Speaker 2: out of and started penalizing you for crying.

1099
00:52:43,200 --> 00:52:45,520
Speaker 3: They came in and chose violence with you today.

1100
00:52:45,960 --> 00:52:49,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I think, I mean, I think stuff like

1101
00:52:49,440 --> 00:52:51,400
Speaker 2: this kind of makes me go down that path. Like

1102
00:52:51,440 --> 00:52:55,000
Speaker 2: I said, this is my own projecting all this, I'm

1103
00:52:55,040 --> 00:52:56,040
Speaker 2: not unaware of that.

1104
00:52:56,320 --> 00:52:58,719
Speaker 1: So but this is how I see it.

1105
00:52:58,800 --> 00:53:02,160
Speaker 2: It's just like, man, what we call supporters, just everybody

1106
00:53:02,800 --> 00:53:05,200
Speaker 2: retweeting blackfist emojis.

1107
00:53:04,760 --> 00:53:05,239
Speaker 1: At her and.

1108
00:53:06,800 --> 00:53:09,560
Speaker 2: Replying like yeah girl and all this shit, And I'm like, man,

1109
00:53:09,600 --> 00:53:13,759
Speaker 2: she might be like, whatever she's dealing with, we are

1110
00:53:13,840 --> 00:53:18,080
Speaker 2: not quit privy too, and it's gotten so bad she

1111
00:53:18,200 --> 00:53:20,080
Speaker 2: don't even feel like she can do to fulfill the

1112
00:53:20,160 --> 00:53:23,960
Speaker 2: full obligations of that job. And she sprung it on

1113
00:53:24,040 --> 00:53:27,680
Speaker 2: them on the last second. Which, you know, normally for

1114
00:53:27,760 --> 00:53:30,799
Speaker 2: a lot of people, especially if you're dealing with mental

1115
00:53:30,840 --> 00:53:36,880
Speaker 2: health issues, that can be the depression talking. Yeah, you

1116
00:53:36,960 --> 00:53:39,520
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying, Like, there's certain times, there's certain

1117
00:53:39,600 --> 00:53:43,160
Speaker 2: posts that people see and it's framed in a certain

1118
00:53:43,160 --> 00:53:45,160
Speaker 2: way because depression is a chemical and balance in your

1119
00:53:45,200 --> 00:53:48,759
Speaker 2: brain and it doesn't allow you to fully think, like

1120
00:53:49,200 --> 00:53:52,600
Speaker 2: same thing with anxiety and stuff. Depression be kicking people's ass. Man,

1121
00:53:52,920 --> 00:53:55,920
Speaker 2: Depression will be like you not important, no one loves you,

1122
00:53:56,400 --> 00:53:59,480
Speaker 2: no one cares about you. How this person didn't call

1123
00:53:59,560 --> 00:54:02,640
Speaker 2: you back, and it's because they secretly fucking hate you.

1124
00:54:03,120 --> 00:54:05,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, I thought it. I've been down there. And the

1125
00:54:05,719 --> 00:54:11,600
Speaker 3: thing about it is that, uh, nobody ever wants to

1126
00:54:11,840 --> 00:54:14,120
Speaker 3: talk about you can be just like you could be

1127
00:54:14,160 --> 00:54:17,560
Speaker 3: a functioning alcoholic, a functioning person on drugs, you could

1128
00:54:17,560 --> 00:54:21,520
Speaker 3: be a functioning depressed depressive person like you can actually function,

1129
00:54:21,680 --> 00:54:24,000
Speaker 3: which means you go to work, you keep your job.

1130
00:54:24,040 --> 00:54:26,320
Speaker 3: Because everybody think when people think of depression, they just

1131
00:54:26,360 --> 00:54:28,440
Speaker 3: think you lay in bed all day, you don't go nowhere,

1132
00:54:28,680 --> 00:54:31,960
Speaker 3: you don't do nothing, you just lose everything. And most

1133
00:54:32,040 --> 00:54:35,000
Speaker 3: people that are dealing with forms of depression are actually

1134
00:54:35,120 --> 00:54:38,200
Speaker 3: functioning in society. So it almost takes people for a

1135
00:54:38,280 --> 00:54:40,600
Speaker 3: loop when somebody says that depressed because they don' quote

1136
00:54:40,680 --> 00:54:43,920
Speaker 3: unquote have the symptoms of depression. Well, what does depression

1137
00:54:44,000 --> 00:54:46,920
Speaker 3: look like? Nobody really knows, because depression looks different for

1138
00:54:47,080 --> 00:54:48,560
Speaker 3: every person. Yeah.

1139
00:54:48,680 --> 00:54:51,200
Speaker 2: So, like I said, I'm not saying I know Naimi

1140
00:54:51,320 --> 00:54:52,560
Speaker 2: any better than anybody else.

1141
00:54:53,080 --> 00:54:55,120
Speaker 1: And maybe it's as simple as everybody is saying, and

1142
00:54:55,239 --> 00:54:58,960
Speaker 1: it's really about exactly what you like.

1143
00:54:59,320 --> 00:55:02,279
Speaker 2: She's standing up for racism and against black people by

1144
00:55:02,960 --> 00:55:05,279
Speaker 2: not talking to the press but participating in the French

1145
00:55:05,360 --> 00:55:08,080
Speaker 2: open in some type of way that may make sense

1146
00:55:08,120 --> 00:55:10,080
Speaker 2: to people, but reading with her words, that ain't what

1147
00:55:10,160 --> 00:55:12,560
Speaker 2: that felt like to me, you know what I mean?

1148
00:55:12,880 --> 00:55:16,120
Speaker 2: So that was like the major hot button topic dollars.

1149
00:55:16,200 --> 00:55:19,440
Speaker 2: Just like, damn boy, glad we have a podcast, we

1150
00:55:19,520 --> 00:55:23,000
Speaker 2: can talk about it, you know what I mean. But

1151
00:55:23,320 --> 00:55:27,719
Speaker 2: let's talk about more hot button topics. Okay, your girl,

1152
00:55:28,680 --> 00:55:32,879
Speaker 2: Black Lives Matter Patrice Colors m h stepping down.

1153
00:55:33,360 --> 00:55:36,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, ain't that the one they wrote auto articles about

1154
00:55:36,239 --> 00:55:36,919
Speaker 3: not two months ago?

1155
00:55:37,120 --> 00:55:40,279
Speaker 1: Yes, she's on four houses and Black Lives Matter.

1156
00:55:40,320 --> 00:55:43,959
Speaker 2: The organization got ninety million dollars and not enough people

1157
00:55:44,040 --> 00:55:44,680
Speaker 2: got enough of that.

1158
00:55:44,840 --> 00:55:46,160
Speaker 1: So what she must be?

1159
00:55:47,000 --> 00:55:48,759
Speaker 3: You know, she's like, I ain't guess what. I ain't

1160
00:55:48,760 --> 00:55:49,319
Speaker 3: got to be here.

1161
00:55:50,320 --> 00:55:52,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I guess what.

1162
00:55:52,560 --> 00:55:55,600
Speaker 3: It's always an option to opt out because and it's

1163
00:55:55,640 --> 00:55:58,200
Speaker 3: funny though, everybody think everybody else supposed to take an

1164
00:55:58,239 --> 00:56:02,680
Speaker 3: ass with them with them, like everybody you know, stand there,

1165
00:56:02,800 --> 00:56:05,320
Speaker 3: do it fighting and get big up and you know,

1166
00:56:05,600 --> 00:56:08,080
Speaker 3: you know, stand up. Okay, cool, cool, cool cool? But

1167
00:56:08,160 --> 00:56:10,320
Speaker 3: what happens when I'm tired of getting my ass whooped

1168
00:56:10,360 --> 00:56:11,080
Speaker 3: on both sides?

1169
00:56:12,000 --> 00:56:12,400
Speaker 1: I find it.

1170
00:56:12,440 --> 00:56:15,399
Speaker 2: I found it funny because I just remember so much

1171
00:56:15,440 --> 00:56:17,279
Speaker 2: of what Black Lives Matter was doing was doing that

1172
00:56:17,360 --> 00:56:17,800
Speaker 2: the other.

1173
00:56:17,719 --> 00:56:22,080
Speaker 1: Activists, come on, come on, we're keeping it a buck.

1174
00:56:22,160 --> 00:56:23,719
Speaker 2: A lot of what they was doing when they came

1175
00:56:23,760 --> 00:56:25,680
Speaker 2: on the scene with shitting on other activists and talking

1176
00:56:25,719 --> 00:56:26,760
Speaker 2: about how they was gonna.

1177
00:56:26,520 --> 00:56:27,640
Speaker 1: Do it differently and do it right.

1178
00:56:28,200 --> 00:56:31,040
Speaker 2: And at the end of the day, like and it's

1179
00:56:31,080 --> 00:56:33,239
Speaker 2: not just her, a ship ton of activists have gone

1180
00:56:33,280 --> 00:56:37,399
Speaker 2: back to just life, yep, because because taking that ass

1181
00:56:37,440 --> 00:56:40,400
Speaker 2: whipping for how many, like forty fifty years, like like

1182
00:56:41,239 --> 00:56:43,359
Speaker 2: like Al Sharpton and some of these people have done.

1183
00:56:43,920 --> 00:56:45,480
Speaker 2: Motherfuckers don't want they don't.

1184
00:56:45,360 --> 00:56:49,440
Speaker 1: Have the whatever it is to be in the center

1185
00:56:49,560 --> 00:56:53,160
Speaker 1: of that for that long and continue getting up every

1186
00:56:53,239 --> 00:56:55,120
Speaker 1: day and doing your best.

1187
00:56:55,760 --> 00:57:00,399
Speaker 3: Correct And it's more to it than people think. You say,

1188
00:57:00,480 --> 00:57:03,200
Speaker 3: And I'm on the outside looking in. But whenever you

1189
00:57:03,320 --> 00:57:05,200
Speaker 3: say I want to be an activist, like you say,

1190
00:57:05,280 --> 00:57:07,920
Speaker 3: this is my thing, You're taking on an ass whipping

1191
00:57:07,920 --> 00:57:10,319
Speaker 3: whether you want to or not. You're taking white people

1192
00:57:10,360 --> 00:57:12,759
Speaker 3: beating on you. You're taking niggas beating on You're telling

1193
00:57:12,800 --> 00:57:15,680
Speaker 3: you you're not doing enough, you could do more. You

1194
00:57:15,760 --> 00:57:18,760
Speaker 3: got them saying that that what you're doing ain't worth it.

1195
00:57:18,960 --> 00:57:21,360
Speaker 3: They got you, you know, you got black people telling

1196
00:57:21,400 --> 00:57:24,120
Speaker 3: you no matter what you do, it is the wrong decision.

1197
00:57:24,360 --> 00:57:26,640
Speaker 3: You have other activists coming at you saying what you

1198
00:57:26,800 --> 00:57:29,960
Speaker 3: do is the wrong decision. And that's from us. That's

1199
00:57:30,000 --> 00:57:32,520
Speaker 3: not talking about those white people telling you get out

1200
00:57:32,600 --> 00:57:37,080
Speaker 3: my space. Why you hear your callsing problems, them harassing

1201
00:57:37,120 --> 00:57:40,400
Speaker 3: your online, them docksing you, them coming at you. It

1202
00:57:40,520 --> 00:57:44,160
Speaker 3: is a constant fucking ass whipping, and so it's designed

1203
00:57:44,600 --> 00:57:46,600
Speaker 3: to actually take the fight out of you. So you

1204
00:57:46,760 --> 00:57:48,480
Speaker 3: have to find a center and you have to find

1205
00:57:48,520 --> 00:57:51,200
Speaker 3: a balance to this. You can't be on all the time,

1206
00:57:51,440 --> 00:57:53,560
Speaker 3: but this is what they expect activists to do, to

1207
00:57:53,640 --> 00:57:56,800
Speaker 3: be owned all the time. Nobody can function like that.

1208
00:57:56,960 --> 00:58:01,400
Speaker 3: You just can't function like that mentally and physical and spiritually.

1209
00:58:01,560 --> 00:58:04,360
Speaker 3: You're not designed to constantly be beat like that. So

1210
00:58:04,920 --> 00:58:06,720
Speaker 3: you have to have a balance. And the thing is

1211
00:58:06,960 --> 00:58:08,680
Speaker 3: the niggas want you to do it for free and

1212
00:58:08,800 --> 00:58:12,320
Speaker 3: want you to die broke. You know, and not all

1213
00:58:12,400 --> 00:58:14,280
Speaker 3: of them, but some people do. They feel like if

1214
00:58:14,280 --> 00:58:15,640
Speaker 3: you pick up this matter, you're supposed to get your

1215
00:58:15,680 --> 00:58:18,040
Speaker 3: ass with for free, be homeless, live in the truck,

1216
00:58:18,280 --> 00:58:20,680
Speaker 3: not make a dime, not make a living dipinding on this.

1217
00:58:20,800 --> 00:58:22,960
Speaker 3: Nobody knows your name and nobody knows who you are.

1218
00:58:23,040 --> 00:58:25,320
Speaker 3: That does not make sense. How can you accomplish your

1219
00:58:25,360 --> 00:58:27,800
Speaker 3: goals without money. You have to have money in order

1220
00:58:27,840 --> 00:58:30,160
Speaker 3: to accomplish these goals, and a lot of times that

1221
00:58:30,240 --> 00:58:32,640
Speaker 3: money has got to come from white people in order

1222
00:58:32,640 --> 00:58:35,439
Speaker 3: to accomlish these goals because as a whole, Black people

1223
00:58:35,600 --> 00:58:38,920
Speaker 3: do not have the financial history to support us in

1224
00:58:39,120 --> 00:58:41,560
Speaker 3: those realms. Once you get to a certain point, you've

1225
00:58:41,600 --> 00:58:44,160
Speaker 3: got to get money outside of us, because it's actually

1226
00:58:44,200 --> 00:58:47,760
Speaker 3: a collective thing. You can't do this without some help

1227
00:58:47,840 --> 00:58:50,480
Speaker 3: from white people. You've got to have it there. But

1228
00:58:50,640 --> 00:58:53,640
Speaker 3: because you know black people, and I understand, I'm on

1229
00:58:53,760 --> 00:58:56,240
Speaker 3: bias and now on hatred for some of them, and

1230
00:58:56,800 --> 00:58:59,120
Speaker 3: we don't trust white people period. We think any help

1231
00:58:59,360 --> 00:59:01,920
Speaker 3: from white people it's just the wrong thing. Ever, and

1232
00:59:02,040 --> 00:59:05,200
Speaker 3: so it is a big ass clusterfuck when it comes

1233
00:59:05,240 --> 00:59:08,120
Speaker 3: to activism. So I understand her looking out of all

1234
00:59:08,200 --> 00:59:10,280
Speaker 3: them giving the middle fingers, said, fucking I ain't got

1235
00:59:10,360 --> 00:59:11,919
Speaker 3: to be here, bitch, just kiss my ass.

1236
00:59:13,400 --> 00:59:16,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, But like I said, that's how they came in

1237
00:59:16,400 --> 00:59:16,960
Speaker 1: the game too.

1238
00:59:18,160 --> 00:59:20,840
Speaker 2: So like you came in the game shitting on people

1239
00:59:20,920 --> 00:59:23,400
Speaker 2: that were doing that work and said we're gonna do

1240
00:59:23,440 --> 00:59:24,880
Speaker 2: the work the right way and do it different.

1241
00:59:26,520 --> 00:59:28,480
Speaker 1: So to me, all that shit is like.

1242
00:59:30,040 --> 00:59:32,479
Speaker 2: Part of the come uppings of it, like it's part

1243
00:59:32,520 --> 00:59:35,520
Speaker 2: of the cycle, Like it sucks to see, but we

1244
00:59:35,800 --> 00:59:37,680
Speaker 2: you know, we've gotten to see it upfront on social

1245
00:59:37,760 --> 00:59:40,680
Speaker 2: media now. For the last ten years, this just seemed

1246
00:59:40,720 --> 00:59:43,320
Speaker 2: like part of the cycle. People come in, they say

1247
00:59:43,360 --> 00:59:45,120
Speaker 2: they're gonna do a bunch of shit, they do a

1248
00:59:45,200 --> 00:59:48,280
Speaker 2: bunch of shit. People tell you why that's wrong, and

1249
00:59:48,400 --> 00:59:50,960
Speaker 2: somehow they didn't do it right. And the next group

1250
00:59:51,040 --> 00:59:53,160
Speaker 2: of people come in and they tell you, I'm gonna

1251
00:59:53,160 --> 00:59:55,520
Speaker 2: do it different than they doing it. And a lot

1252
00:59:55,560 --> 00:59:57,720
Speaker 2: of this shit is loving activism. A lot of the

1253
00:59:57,760 --> 00:59:59,840
Speaker 2: people that were jealous and shit like that were con

1254
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:03,400
Speaker 2: STI Lean framing any action that she or Black Lives

1255
01:00:03,480 --> 01:00:06,680
Speaker 2: Matter took as in a negative light. And then even

1256
01:00:06,760 --> 01:00:12,160
Speaker 2: more importantly, you had white racist publications doing a lot

1257
01:00:12,200 --> 01:00:14,680
Speaker 2: of that too, and and a lot of these people

1258
01:00:14,720 --> 01:00:17,360
Speaker 2: were in lock sink and step with these racist publications.

1259
01:00:17,760 --> 01:00:20,200
Speaker 2: When I say, I'm out of the fucking activism game.

1260
01:00:20,360 --> 01:00:21,120
Speaker 2: When it comes to like.

1261
01:00:22,760 --> 01:00:25,840
Speaker 3: Like this is it, Like activists is just people man,

1262
01:00:26,120 --> 01:00:27,320
Speaker 3: just regular as human being.

1263
01:00:27,480 --> 01:00:30,440
Speaker 2: You know, you can make the same you can make

1264
01:00:30,480 --> 01:00:32,720
Speaker 2: the same judgments of activists that they must have some

1265
01:00:32,840 --> 01:00:35,960
Speaker 2: egomania type shit in order to think that they're the

1266
01:00:36,040 --> 01:00:38,080
Speaker 2: one voice that can change the world, and all they

1267
01:00:38,160 --> 01:00:39,800
Speaker 2: need to do is this, this and this, and it's

1268
01:00:39,800 --> 01:00:43,440
Speaker 2: so fucking simple, like, Okay, you know what I mean,

1269
01:00:43,520 --> 01:00:46,160
Speaker 2: but you must think highly of yourself to even want

1270
01:00:46,240 --> 01:00:49,920
Speaker 2: to attempt that, you know, like it's and at the

1271
01:00:50,000 --> 01:00:52,880
Speaker 2: same time you get penalized for thinking holly of yourself, right,

1272
01:00:53,360 --> 01:00:56,240
Speaker 2: because we had this weird like martyrdom thing where it's like,

1273
01:00:56,320 --> 01:01:00,400
Speaker 2: you supposed to want to die for everybody. And if

1274
01:01:00,480 --> 01:01:04,080
Speaker 2: you don't show us that that you have no self preservation,

1275
01:01:04,760 --> 01:01:08,640
Speaker 2: that you have no uh, you don't want any level

1276
01:01:08,680 --> 01:01:12,080
Speaker 2: of abundance in your living or anything. Unless you show

1277
01:01:12,160 --> 01:01:15,280
Speaker 2: us all this shit, then we gonna consider you somehow

1278
01:01:15,440 --> 01:01:19,880
Speaker 2: the enemy, right, And people, now it probably was always

1279
01:01:19,920 --> 01:01:23,320
Speaker 2: this way, but now it's so easy to pick a team,

1280
01:01:23,600 --> 01:01:25,040
Speaker 2: which is what so many these people do.

1281
01:01:25,720 --> 01:01:26,120
Speaker 3: Mascot.

1282
01:01:26,320 --> 01:01:28,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, and once you pick a mascot, you gonna you

1283
01:01:29,200 --> 01:01:31,880
Speaker 2: like part of that game is I gotta anything they

1284
01:01:32,000 --> 01:01:34,280
Speaker 2: do that people don't like, I gotta defend anything they

1285
01:01:34,400 --> 01:01:40,360
Speaker 2: do that, anything somebody else does that isn't them, I

1286
01:01:40,400 --> 01:01:41,560
Speaker 2: gotta I gotta attack.

1287
01:01:41,680 --> 01:01:44,560
Speaker 1: And I'm like, this is very weird and It's crazy

1288
01:01:44,640 --> 01:01:45,320
Speaker 1: y'all don't see this.

1289
01:01:45,440 --> 01:01:47,560
Speaker 2: And maybe it's because I like sports so much that

1290
01:01:47,640 --> 01:01:49,800
Speaker 2: I'm able to be like, oh, you think this niggas

1291
01:01:49,800 --> 01:01:50,280
Speaker 2: the Sixers.

1292
01:01:50,840 --> 01:01:52,920
Speaker 1: I'm like, that's not what I of this is about.

1293
01:01:53,680 --> 01:01:55,720
Speaker 2: You know, this is a jersey I chose to wear,

1294
01:01:56,080 --> 01:01:57,920
Speaker 2: and now I must fight on this lines like it

1295
01:01:58,000 --> 01:02:01,000
Speaker 2: ain't even that for the important you know, it doesn't

1296
01:02:01,040 --> 01:02:07,120
Speaker 2: help that they have beef with each other, sorry, within

1297
01:02:07,240 --> 01:02:10,120
Speaker 2: that spear, and so then a lot of it does

1298
01:02:10,280 --> 01:02:12,000
Speaker 2: make it seem like you need to pick a side,

1299
01:02:12,600 --> 01:02:14,880
Speaker 2: which is something I refuse to fucking do. I don't

1300
01:02:14,880 --> 01:02:17,080
Speaker 2: even care who it is. By the record, I just

1301
01:02:17,160 --> 01:02:19,520
Speaker 2: don't give them money. If I don't really think, if

1302
01:02:19,560 --> 01:02:21,160
Speaker 2: I don't know whatever fuck is up with them, I

1303
01:02:21,200 --> 01:02:21,880
Speaker 2: don't give them money.

1304
01:02:22,000 --> 01:02:22,640
Speaker 3: That's it. Same.

1305
01:02:23,320 --> 01:02:24,920
Speaker 1: That's as simple as I got for you. You can

1306
01:02:25,000 --> 01:02:26,240
Speaker 1: make it more complicated than that.

1307
01:02:26,720 --> 01:02:28,680
Speaker 2: I do not have to pick any of these nigga side,

1308
01:02:28,680 --> 01:02:31,000
Speaker 2: because last time I checked, we are no closer to free.

1309
01:02:33,240 --> 01:02:35,880
Speaker 1: Everybody got all the answers, we are no closer to free.

1310
01:02:36,720 --> 01:02:36,880
Speaker 5: You know.

1311
01:02:36,960 --> 01:02:40,920
Speaker 2: I saw somebody today making an analogy about defund the police,

1312
01:02:40,960 --> 01:02:45,280
Speaker 2: and they said something to the effect that like these

1313
01:02:45,400 --> 01:02:48,760
Speaker 2: articles saying defund the police didn't work. It's like saying

1314
01:02:48,920 --> 01:02:51,560
Speaker 2: this tough that's been stopped up and the water's been running.

1315
01:02:52,040 --> 01:02:54,480
Speaker 2: It didn't unstop the toilet just because we turned off

1316
01:02:54,520 --> 01:02:57,280
Speaker 2: the water and it's only been five minutes and now

1317
01:02:57,280 --> 01:02:58,880
Speaker 2: they want to turn the water back on or whatever.

1318
01:02:59,440 --> 01:02:59,960
Speaker 3: And I was like.

1319
01:03:01,480 --> 01:03:04,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, except it's like if someone told you that turning

1320
01:03:04,800 --> 01:03:08,880
Speaker 1: off the water would fix everything right away, and then

1321
01:03:08,920 --> 01:03:11,680
Speaker 1: you found out that it was work and that's why

1322
01:03:11,720 --> 01:03:14,760
Speaker 1: everybody was like, well fuck it. Then that's really closer

1323
01:03:14,800 --> 01:03:15,520
Speaker 1: to the truth.

1324
01:03:15,600 --> 01:03:21,040
Speaker 2: Right, Like the solutions keep getting presented as very easy solutions. Hey,

1325
01:03:21,360 --> 01:03:23,640
Speaker 2: just do this, we just haven't thought of it this way.

1326
01:03:24,000 --> 01:03:27,320
Speaker 2: Do this, everything will be fixed. Snap, rack of pop,

1327
01:03:27,720 --> 01:03:30,200
Speaker 2: We're done. And I think that's one of the things

1328
01:03:30,200 --> 01:03:32,680
Speaker 2: that kind of hurts a lot of people because and

1329
01:03:33,080 --> 01:03:35,520
Speaker 2: it's because people demand to be sold these things like products,

1330
01:03:35,560 --> 01:03:38,120
Speaker 2: like I need something that's gonna fix it today, and

1331
01:03:38,280 --> 01:03:40,760
Speaker 2: then you do the thing and it doesn't work right away,

1332
01:03:40,760 --> 01:03:43,560
Speaker 2: and then everybody goes fucking your fraud. You just want money,

1333
01:03:44,080 --> 01:03:46,800
Speaker 2: you don't care about black people. This is always a

1334
01:03:46,880 --> 01:03:49,560
Speaker 2: grift and all this shit, and it's like damn, which

1335
01:03:49,640 --> 01:03:52,800
Speaker 2: of these people hasn't been called a grifter. Show me

1336
01:03:52,880 --> 01:03:55,000
Speaker 2: the activist that hasn't been called a grifter, Show me

1337
01:03:56,480 --> 01:04:00,640
Speaker 2: show them. I can't think of any I've seen somebody

1338
01:04:00,720 --> 01:04:02,720
Speaker 2: out there that don't fuck with every single one of

1339
01:04:02,800 --> 01:04:03,840
Speaker 2: these activists.

1340
01:04:03,440 --> 01:04:04,400
Speaker 3: So one of them.

1341
01:04:04,480 --> 01:04:05,960
Speaker 1: I don't know that we are.

1342
01:04:06,960 --> 01:04:08,880
Speaker 2: I don't know that the pressure to get her to

1343
01:04:08,920 --> 01:04:11,120
Speaker 2: step down gonna fix a motherfucking thing.

1344
01:04:11,280 --> 01:04:11,440
Speaker 5: Mm.

1345
01:04:12,280 --> 01:04:14,960
Speaker 2: You know, I don't know that that's gonna change any

1346
01:04:15,040 --> 01:04:17,240
Speaker 2: of the work or whatever. Now she's saying she created

1347
01:04:17,360 --> 01:04:20,360
Speaker 2: infrastructure and the support and the necessary bones of foundation

1348
01:04:20,520 --> 01:04:22,080
Speaker 2: so that she could leave, and it feels like the

1349
01:04:22,160 --> 01:04:23,760
Speaker 2: time is right, And I'm like, yeah, cause youre getting

1350
01:04:23,800 --> 01:04:26,520
Speaker 2: shitted on and you making money now, which is how

1351
01:04:26,680 --> 01:04:31,200
Speaker 2: motherfuckers are like decided that you ain't shit. She has

1352
01:04:31,240 --> 01:04:32,200
Speaker 2: an upcome and release, her.

1353
01:04:32,160 --> 01:04:35,200
Speaker 1: Second book, multi year TV development deal with Warner Brothers,

1354
01:04:35,840 --> 01:04:36,760
Speaker 1: and yeah.

1355
01:04:36,720 --> 01:04:41,480
Speaker 2: People was like, look at her money, y'all. Look, I'm like,

1356
01:04:41,600 --> 01:04:43,760
Speaker 2: so she could have bought the houses with that money. Nope,

1357
01:04:43,880 --> 01:04:45,440
Speaker 2: she must be stealing money from.

1358
01:04:45,320 --> 01:04:47,960
Speaker 1: Black Lives Matter. It's like, well, I mean, isn't all

1359
01:04:47,960 --> 01:04:48,880
Speaker 1: the money accounting for?

1360
01:04:49,040 --> 01:04:51,320
Speaker 2: And they had some rules that they like, open up

1361
01:04:51,360 --> 01:04:53,640
Speaker 2: their books and show their Nope, fuck that shit. She

1362
01:04:53,760 --> 01:04:56,360
Speaker 2: a motherfucking thief and she need to go. It's like,

1363
01:04:56,760 --> 01:04:59,520
Speaker 2: all right, this doesn't seem rational or reasonable at all.

1364
01:05:00,440 --> 01:05:00,640
Speaker 7: You know.

1365
01:05:01,080 --> 01:05:03,320
Speaker 2: She said those are right wing when she talked about

1366
01:05:03,360 --> 01:05:05,960
Speaker 2: the stuff with the money, she said, those are right

1367
01:05:06,040 --> 01:05:06,680
Speaker 2: wing attacks.

1368
01:05:07,040 --> 01:05:08,320
Speaker 1: They tried to discredit my character.

1369
01:05:08,360 --> 01:05:10,479
Speaker 2: I don't operate off of what the right thinks about

1370
01:05:10,520 --> 01:05:12,320
Speaker 2: me and she The Parts Foundation is bringing the board

1371
01:05:12,320 --> 01:05:15,480
Speaker 2: to two new interim senior executives to help steer the

1372
01:05:15,600 --> 01:05:20,160
Speaker 2: immediate future. Monifa Bendel or maybe Ben Della and longtime

1373
01:05:20,200 --> 01:05:22,800
Speaker 2: Black Lives Matter organizer and founder of Malcolm X Crass

1374
01:05:22,840 --> 01:05:27,640
Speaker 2: Root Movement in New York City. Maconie Themba Thimba, an

1375
01:05:27,720 --> 01:05:30,360
Speaker 2: early backer of the Black Lives Matter movement and chief

1376
01:05:30,400 --> 01:05:33,280
Speaker 2: Strategies at Higher Ground Change Strategies in Jackson, Mississippi.

1377
01:05:33,680 --> 01:05:36,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll see what happens, man. I don't know, man,

1378
01:05:36,440 --> 01:05:39,720
Speaker 1: it was just a lot of like it was building

1379
01:05:39,800 --> 01:05:40,040
Speaker 1: to a.

1380
01:05:40,560 --> 01:05:42,960
Speaker 2: Point where I couldn't imagine what else she could do,

1381
01:05:43,960 --> 01:05:46,040
Speaker 2: because it was like, that's the other thing. Once they

1382
01:05:46,120 --> 01:05:49,680
Speaker 2: decide that you ain't the one, they never gonna let

1383
01:05:49,720 --> 01:05:52,760
Speaker 2: you breathe no matter what you do like they are.

1384
01:05:53,200 --> 01:05:55,800
Speaker 2: There's no move you can make where they'll be like,

1385
01:05:56,040 --> 01:05:59,760
Speaker 2: you know what I had Patre's pegron. It's like from

1386
01:05:59,800 --> 01:06:02,439
Speaker 2: this point on, you just the bad guy.

1387
01:06:02,840 --> 01:06:04,959
Speaker 3: Yeah, because like a lot of things, once they turn

1388
01:06:05,040 --> 01:06:07,720
Speaker 3: on you, which they turned but that's the thing, those

1389
01:06:07,800 --> 01:06:11,200
Speaker 3: collective group of people, they turn on everybody, right, you know,

1390
01:06:11,360 --> 01:06:14,680
Speaker 3: and and that's like it's almost like everybody is shocked

1391
01:06:14,720 --> 01:06:16,440
Speaker 3: by the turn. I was like, how many times do

1392
01:06:16,480 --> 01:06:18,760
Speaker 3: we got to see this before we realize like this

1393
01:06:18,960 --> 01:06:21,080
Speaker 3: is the shit that they do. They build you up

1394
01:06:21,120 --> 01:06:23,440
Speaker 3: and then they turn They do it the celebrities, they

1395
01:06:23,520 --> 01:06:25,040
Speaker 3: do it, the singers, actors.

1396
01:06:25,280 --> 01:06:27,560
Speaker 1: I haven't seen one. I haven't seen one.

1397
01:06:27,640 --> 01:06:29,120
Speaker 3: They haven't done it too. Yeah.

1398
01:06:29,800 --> 01:06:32,320
Speaker 2: What's funny is that they go is celebrity activism when

1399
01:06:32,360 --> 01:06:35,080
Speaker 2: I'm like, but we the ones making them celebrities.

1400
01:06:37,160 --> 01:06:38,800
Speaker 1: You the one follow them on Twitter? You do want

1401
01:06:38,800 --> 01:06:40,880
Speaker 1: to retweet everything they say? You don't want to give

1402
01:06:40,880 --> 01:06:42,760
Speaker 1: a fuck what they wear, what event they went to?

1403
01:06:43,640 --> 01:06:47,520
Speaker 2: What do you mean all activism and celebrity activism if

1404
01:06:47,600 --> 01:06:50,000
Speaker 2: you know about it, you.

1405
01:06:50,040 --> 01:06:50,520
Speaker 1: Know what I mean?

1406
01:06:50,960 --> 01:06:54,160
Speaker 2: Even when you talk these names of people that you're like, oh,

1407
01:06:54,360 --> 01:06:56,640
Speaker 2: this activist is talking about this activist that make.

1408
01:06:56,640 --> 01:06:57,240
Speaker 1: Them more woke.

1409
01:06:57,320 --> 01:07:00,360
Speaker 2: It's like, yeah, but then what happens when we start

1410
01:07:00,400 --> 01:07:02,640
Speaker 2: listening to them and they get more followers and more

1411
01:07:02,720 --> 01:07:04,360
Speaker 2: pull and more people on that platform.

1412
01:07:04,800 --> 01:07:06,520
Speaker 1: Now, guess what they are? A celebrity?

1413
01:07:07,520 --> 01:07:10,480
Speaker 2: Like you tell it like your issue is with this system,

1414
01:07:10,880 --> 01:07:14,360
Speaker 2: but you're a celebrity. You know, the attempt to get

1415
01:07:14,400 --> 01:07:16,840
Speaker 2: the word out makes you a celebrity. There's not a

1416
01:07:16,920 --> 01:07:18,720
Speaker 2: way to get the word out where the word don't

1417
01:07:18,760 --> 01:07:22,280
Speaker 2: come from you at some point. Right, It's impossible because

1418
01:07:22,280 --> 01:07:24,600
Speaker 2: people want to know who's behind these things. So if

1419
01:07:24,600 --> 01:07:27,160
Speaker 2: people don't think about the cash twenty two that they're

1420
01:07:27,240 --> 01:07:29,880
Speaker 2: saying when they promote that shit, Like there's some type

1421
01:07:29,880 --> 01:07:34,040
Speaker 2: of activist who's an activist but also don't got but

1422
01:07:34,200 --> 01:07:37,640
Speaker 2: also not known to be an activist, but also does

1423
01:07:37,920 --> 01:07:40,720
Speaker 2: super great work but also doesn't talk about it, and

1424
01:07:40,840 --> 01:07:42,280
Speaker 2: no one talks about it and no one wants to

1425
01:07:42,280 --> 01:07:45,920
Speaker 2: ask them any questions. That's fucking impossible, right, you know,

1426
01:07:46,080 --> 01:07:48,560
Speaker 2: people be on podcasts like I can't believe these motherfuckers

1427
01:07:48,600 --> 01:07:53,040
Speaker 2: is a celebrity. Activists like Nigga, you doing it, You're

1428
01:07:53,120 --> 01:07:55,360
Speaker 2: helping them be a celebrity and also guess what if

1429
01:07:55,360 --> 01:07:59,040
Speaker 2: you're an activist, you're doing a podcast, you you a celebrity,

1430
01:07:59,280 --> 01:08:02,720
Speaker 2: what does it mean. Particularly normally, it seems to mean

1431
01:08:02,800 --> 01:08:05,360
Speaker 2: that they're more successful at it than you have been.

1432
01:08:06,080 --> 01:08:08,800
Speaker 2: That's typically what it means. And when I realize that shit,

1433
01:08:08,840 --> 01:08:10,760
Speaker 2: I'm just like, man, fuck all this shit, Like, I

1434
01:08:10,840 --> 01:08:13,240
Speaker 2: don't care. I don't give a fuck. If it's jay Z,

1435
01:08:13,520 --> 01:08:16,800
Speaker 2: I don't give a fuck if it is whoever, the fuck.

1436
01:08:16,880 --> 01:08:19,400
Speaker 2: If you're trying to help people in the ways that

1437
01:08:19,479 --> 01:08:22,120
Speaker 2: you think you can help people and to help, thank.

1438
01:08:21,960 --> 01:08:26,360
Speaker 3: You, right, Because if I'm on the receiving end of something,

1439
01:08:26,640 --> 01:08:29,200
Speaker 3: whether it's Kim kar Dashing getting my black ass out

1440
01:08:29,200 --> 01:08:32,040
Speaker 3: of jail, whether it's Beyonce and jay Z building me out,

1441
01:08:32,120 --> 01:08:34,720
Speaker 3: it does not matter. If I am the person that's

1442
01:08:34,760 --> 01:08:37,000
Speaker 3: the beneficiary of this, I don't give fuck where it's

1443
01:08:37,040 --> 01:08:39,439
Speaker 3: coming from. And sometimes people lose the sight of that

1444
01:08:39,920 --> 01:08:40,559
Speaker 3: when it comes to.

1445
01:08:40,840 --> 01:08:42,720
Speaker 2: The thing for me is always like and show me

1446
01:08:42,800 --> 01:08:44,920
Speaker 2: how that stopped anybody else from getting up there and

1447
01:08:45,000 --> 01:08:47,240
Speaker 2: doing whatever they want to deal, right, because that's the

1448
01:08:47,360 --> 01:08:50,719
Speaker 2: one thing we haven't seen, this thing where it's like, well, damn,

1449
01:08:51,560 --> 01:08:55,040
Speaker 2: since jay Z did that, I guess Colin Kaebernick can't

1450
01:08:55,080 --> 01:08:58,200
Speaker 2: give suits to homeless people, Like what? Both of those

1451
01:08:58,240 --> 01:09:01,760
Speaker 2: things can still happen, Like they're not stopping anybody from

1452
01:09:01,800 --> 01:09:02,240
Speaker 2: doing shit.

1453
01:09:02,400 --> 01:09:03,560
Speaker 1: It's just what do you want to do?

1454
01:09:04,479 --> 01:09:04,640
Speaker 6: You know?

1455
01:09:04,960 --> 01:09:08,840
Speaker 2: But anyway, I think it's just kind of sad that, like,

1456
01:09:08,920 --> 01:09:11,240
Speaker 2: I think a lot of people was probably celebrating this

1457
01:09:11,680 --> 01:09:14,200
Speaker 2: who claimed to be woke, but they were celebrating it

1458
01:09:14,920 --> 01:09:19,840
Speaker 2: out of a pure level of just foolishness and ridiculousness

1459
01:09:19,880 --> 01:09:24,720
Speaker 2: in my opinion. All Right, what else happened? Oh, other

1460
01:09:24,800 --> 01:09:30,200
Speaker 2: big news bonnet gate? You heard about this gate?

1461
01:09:31,479 --> 01:09:34,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I guess I don't know how to started.

1462
01:09:34,840 --> 01:09:38,960
Speaker 2: But there's a debate about black women wearing bonnets outside

1463
01:09:38,960 --> 01:09:42,200
Speaker 2: of the house. And I know someone took I saw

1464
01:09:42,280 --> 01:09:44,760
Speaker 2: a viral picture someone took a black women in the

1465
01:09:44,840 --> 01:09:46,400
Speaker 2: airport and they were all wearing bonnets.

1466
01:09:46,640 --> 01:09:49,800
Speaker 3: Not saying that because it was like everywhere.

1467
01:09:49,800 --> 01:09:52,400
Speaker 2: And I saw like there was a fight video of

1468
01:09:52,479 --> 01:09:55,280
Speaker 2: a fight and it was like black women in bonnets

1469
01:09:55,280 --> 01:09:57,719
Speaker 2: beating somebody's ass or maybe fighting each other. And somebody

1470
01:09:57,840 --> 01:10:00,280
Speaker 2: was like, oh my god, look at these bonnets. You

1471
01:10:00,360 --> 01:10:02,160
Speaker 2: see a black girl doing this, you know, And so

1472
01:10:02,320 --> 01:10:07,240
Speaker 2: then it turned some weird like respectability thing and whether

1473
01:10:07,439 --> 01:10:12,320
Speaker 2: black women should wear bonnets or not. And so then

1474
01:10:12,680 --> 01:10:16,800
Speaker 2: your girl Monique, who we all supported and boycotted.

1475
01:10:16,360 --> 01:10:19,599
Speaker 1: Netflix for Oh what y'all be watching Netflix?

1476
01:10:20,000 --> 01:10:20,280
Speaker 5: Wow?

1477
01:10:20,640 --> 01:10:21,639
Speaker 1: Chat room for real?

1478
01:10:22,320 --> 01:10:23,280
Speaker 3: So it was just me.

1479
01:10:23,520 --> 01:10:28,160
Speaker 1: I'm the only one. I'm so sad, But she had

1480
01:10:28,200 --> 01:10:29,320
Speaker 1: to weigh in on the topic.

1481
01:10:30,160 --> 01:10:36,000
Speaker 6: Hey, my sweet babies. So it took me a minute

1482
01:10:36,360 --> 01:10:39,000
Speaker 6: to say what don't getting ready to say because I.

1483
01:10:39,080 --> 01:10:42,479
Speaker 1: Want to kind of just say, Monique is aging so gracefully, okay,

1484
01:10:42,600 --> 01:10:47,639
Speaker 1: jo just some beautiful and see can kill herself great.

1485
01:10:47,720 --> 01:10:51,799
Speaker 3: Hell, I can't wait till I get my grades.

1486
01:10:51,960 --> 01:10:54,400
Speaker 2: She's really doing her damn thing. All right, let's see

1487
01:10:54,400 --> 01:10:55,960
Speaker 2: how she fucked up this good momentum.

1488
01:10:56,120 --> 01:10:59,439
Speaker 7: Sure, I'm not saying it in judgment, and I want

1489
01:10:59,479 --> 01:11:01,600
Speaker 7: to make sure I'm standing from a place.

1490
01:11:01,520 --> 01:11:04,559
Speaker 6: Of love, y'all.

1491
01:11:04,880 --> 01:11:06,960
Speaker 7: Some of y'all have given me the title of Auntie,

1492
01:11:08,360 --> 01:11:13,320
Speaker 7: and I'm honored that y'all do that, right, But there

1493
01:11:13,360 --> 01:11:16,559
Speaker 7: are times where Auntie got to talk to her babies

1494
01:11:17,120 --> 01:11:23,400
Speaker 7: and say some real shit. So yesterday I was in

1495
01:11:23,520 --> 01:11:26,840
Speaker 7: the airport in Atlanta because I'm in Jackson, Mississippi. Now

1496
01:11:27,280 --> 01:11:30,519
Speaker 7: at Chuckles Comedy club right, and we got three shows tonight,

1497
01:11:30,600 --> 01:11:32,120
Speaker 7: we got a mat in a at five point thirty.

1498
01:11:32,439 --> 01:11:34,880
Speaker 7: Then we got seven, then we got ten, right, and

1499
01:11:35,240 --> 01:11:35,879
Speaker 7: I'm excited.

1500
01:11:35,920 --> 01:11:38,200
Speaker 6: I always love going to the stage.

1501
01:11:38,240 --> 01:11:41,439
Speaker 7: So when we got to the airport yesterday, I was excited, like,

1502
01:11:41,479 --> 01:11:44,400
Speaker 7: all right, baby, let's go get him in Jackson, Mississippi.

1503
01:11:45,840 --> 01:11:49,200
Speaker 6: And as we begin to walk through the airport, I.

1504
01:11:49,360 --> 01:11:54,599
Speaker 7: Saw so many actually too many to count and too

1505
01:11:54,720 --> 01:11:58,200
Speaker 7: many for me to tap. But I saw so many

1506
01:11:58,320 --> 01:12:06,600
Speaker 7: of our young sisters and head bonnets, scarfs, slippers, pajamas,

1507
01:12:08,200 --> 01:12:11,240
Speaker 7: blankets wrapped around them. And this is how they're showing

1508
01:12:11,600 --> 01:12:17,280
Speaker 7: up to the airport. And it I've been seeing it

1509
01:12:17,680 --> 01:12:19,880
Speaker 7: not just at the airport. I've been seeing it at store,

1510
01:12:20,439 --> 01:12:23,160
Speaker 7: at the mall. I've been seeing sisters showing up with

1511
01:12:23,280 --> 01:12:26,920
Speaker 7: these bonnets and head scarfs and they slippers. And the

1512
01:12:27,120 --> 01:12:30,240
Speaker 7: question that I'm having to you, my sweet babies, when

1513
01:12:30,280 --> 01:12:34,320
Speaker 7: did we lose pride in representing ourselves? When did we

1514
01:12:34,439 --> 01:12:38,360
Speaker 7: step away of Let me make sure I'm presentable when

1515
01:12:38,439 --> 01:12:42,080
Speaker 7: I leave my home. Let me make sure I'm representing

1516
01:12:42,560 --> 01:12:45,400
Speaker 7: the family I created, so that if I'm out in

1517
01:12:45,439 --> 01:12:50,280
Speaker 7: the street, I look like I have pride in myself.

1518
01:12:50,360 --> 01:12:53,080
Speaker 7: And I'm not saying no full face of makeup. I'm

1519
01:12:53,120 --> 01:12:56,320
Speaker 7: not saying no full front front or I'm not saying

1520
01:12:56,400 --> 01:12:59,960
Speaker 7: none of that. All I'm saying is could you please

1521
01:13:00,160 --> 01:13:00,800
Speaker 7: comb your hair?

1522
01:13:01,840 --> 01:13:02,840
Speaker 6: And if you don't want to.

1523
01:13:02,840 --> 01:13:05,400
Speaker 7: Comb your hair, they got enough shit out here now, baby,

1524
01:13:05,439 --> 01:13:08,040
Speaker 7: where you can style yourself up and look like you

1525
01:13:08,240 --> 01:13:13,320
Speaker 7: have pride. I'm not saying you don't have pride, but

1526
01:13:13,479 --> 01:13:17,759
Speaker 7: the representation that you're showing someone would have to ask.

1527
01:13:17,680 --> 01:13:19,920
Speaker 6: You to know that you had it.

1528
01:13:21,200 --> 01:13:26,679
Speaker 1: So okay, all right, that's like half of it. Yeah

1529
01:13:27,160 --> 01:13:27,519
Speaker 1: that was.

1530
01:13:29,120 --> 01:13:30,080
Speaker 3: So she got more to say.

1531
01:13:30,720 --> 01:13:32,920
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, it goes on. Okay, you wanna play

1532
01:13:33,000 --> 01:13:33,200
Speaker 1: some more.

1533
01:13:33,720 --> 01:13:36,839
Speaker 6: My sweet babies. For the ones that do call me Auntie,

1534
01:13:37,640 --> 01:13:38,679
Speaker 6: I love you for real.

1535
01:13:39,160 --> 01:13:41,040
Speaker 7: Even the ones that don't, I love y'all asses too.

1536
01:13:41,560 --> 01:13:45,000
Speaker 7: But the babies that say Auntie to me, please listen

1537
01:13:45,080 --> 01:13:50,400
Speaker 7: to Auntie. Always have pride in your representation of you.

1538
01:13:51,120 --> 01:13:53,040
Speaker 6: It's not to get a man, it's not.

1539
01:13:53,640 --> 01:13:57,040
Speaker 7: It is just your representation of you, My sweet babies.

1540
01:13:57,720 --> 01:14:01,960
Speaker 7: So I'm just giving y'all a warning. If I see

1541
01:14:02,040 --> 01:14:07,280
Speaker 7: you in the streets in the airport and the walmart

1542
01:14:07,840 --> 01:14:10,519
Speaker 7: and you got a bonnet, on and you got slippers

1543
01:14:10,560 --> 01:14:13,240
Speaker 7: on and you're looking like what the fuck?

1544
01:14:14,280 --> 01:14:17,559
Speaker 6: Ah Nikki gonna tap you and say, hey, baby girl,

1545
01:14:18,680 --> 01:14:22,719
Speaker 6: show you what you're worth, show you what you deserve.

1546
01:14:23,600 --> 01:14:26,360
Speaker 7: So all of those posts that you see celebrities putting

1547
01:14:26,400 --> 01:14:30,280
Speaker 7: out there saying hey queen, Hey queen, hey queen, well

1548
01:14:30,320 --> 01:14:33,960
Speaker 7: can we start putting it into action? So I'm asking out,

1549
01:14:34,240 --> 01:14:37,040
Speaker 7: why is the sisters when we see our little babies

1550
01:14:37,080 --> 01:14:39,360
Speaker 7: out there looking like they just don't care.

1551
01:14:39,720 --> 01:14:43,479
Speaker 6: And I'm not saying y'all, don't it looks like it.

1552
01:14:44,400 --> 01:14:48,080
Speaker 7: Can we just tap them and say, baby girl, you

1553
01:14:48,280 --> 01:14:50,040
Speaker 7: deserve more than what you're showing.

1554
01:14:50,320 --> 01:14:55,120
Speaker 2: Now, Listen, I don't suggest anybody go around airports tapping

1555
01:14:55,200 --> 01:14:58,360
Speaker 2: black women on bonnets on the shoulder, cause it's gonna

1556
01:14:58,360 --> 01:14:59,879
Speaker 2: be I've seen the videos.

1557
01:15:00,080 --> 01:15:03,720
Speaker 1: Okay, it's gonna be a lot of fucking problems.

1558
01:15:04,840 --> 01:15:08,840
Speaker 2: Like if I'm minding my fucking business, you know what

1559
01:15:08,920 --> 01:15:12,439
Speaker 2: I'm saying, by the hop on this Southwest flight and

1560
01:15:12,600 --> 01:15:14,960
Speaker 2: you come knocking me on the shoulder to tobot has

1561
01:15:15,000 --> 01:15:15,880
Speaker 2: a pride.

1562
01:15:16,479 --> 01:15:19,439
Speaker 1: Don't do that. Don't do that. They might not take

1563
01:15:19,520 --> 01:15:22,160
Speaker 1: that in the spirit of an auntie. The way that

1564
01:15:22,479 --> 01:15:24,240
Speaker 1: you the way that is.

1565
01:15:24,320 --> 01:15:29,640
Speaker 6: Thinking representing you with pride, my babies, and that may

1566
01:15:29,720 --> 01:15:30,559
Speaker 6: be a part of us.

1567
01:15:31,040 --> 01:15:33,599
Speaker 1: That's like, if I did a video, I might even

1568
01:15:33,680 --> 01:15:33,880
Speaker 1: do this.

1569
01:15:34,160 --> 01:15:37,240
Speaker 5: That's like if I do saying but I see a

1570
01:15:37,360 --> 01:15:41,559
Speaker 5: brother in air Force once in black air Force ones

1571
01:15:42,080 --> 01:15:45,840
Speaker 5: at the airport, and I just want to tap them.

1572
01:15:45,720 --> 01:15:51,040
Speaker 1: On the shoulders, say hey, have some pride, y'all see

1573
01:15:51,080 --> 01:15:53,599
Speaker 1: me and the motherfucker I see you. Dog. You don't

1574
01:15:53,720 --> 01:15:57,559
Speaker 1: tap with your ass. What you don't tap the bonnet

1575
01:15:57,640 --> 01:16:01,240
Speaker 1: on their head is the air Force ones of black women.

1576
01:16:01,280 --> 01:16:05,240
Speaker 1: You don't do that. You mind your motherfucking business. Whatever

1577
01:16:05,400 --> 01:16:07,639
Speaker 1: that woman is going through it, that moment in time

1578
01:16:08,560 --> 01:16:12,760
Speaker 1: is not about you. Okay. She knew and made a

1579
01:16:12,840 --> 01:16:15,800
Speaker 1: decision when she woke up the point out to have

1580
01:16:16,680 --> 01:16:20,439
Speaker 1: whatever the fuck like, I was gonna wrap my head

1581
01:16:20,600 --> 01:16:24,040
Speaker 1: and put on that scar and go about my motherfucking business.

1582
01:16:24,080 --> 01:16:29,400
Speaker 2: And she knew that when she opened her eyes. I

1583
01:16:29,640 --> 01:16:33,040
Speaker 2: promise you, you're not helping them the game. You do

1584
01:16:33,240 --> 01:16:34,160
Speaker 2: not want the smoke.

1585
01:16:34,600 --> 01:16:38,920
Speaker 1: Okay, Oh my god, MO need no helping our community.

1586
01:16:39,439 --> 01:16:41,519
Speaker 6: Because if you look like you don't give a damn

1587
01:16:43,320 --> 01:16:44,360
Speaker 6: how you gonna be treated.

1588
01:16:45,960 --> 01:16:53,920
Speaker 7: So when I say, hey, queen, I can only say

1589
01:16:53,920 --> 01:16:56,640
Speaker 7: it to the sisters that it belongs.

1590
01:16:56,280 --> 01:16:58,679
Speaker 1: To because they gonna hit you with that tupac.

1591
01:16:58,840 --> 01:17:01,680
Speaker 2: I don't give a fuck about mine self, so you

1592
01:17:01,720 --> 01:17:05,639
Speaker 2: don't give a fuck about your ass, because a lot

1593
01:17:05,680 --> 01:17:06,000
Speaker 2: of us.

1594
01:17:05,960 --> 01:17:09,879
Speaker 7: Are still in queen training. So if you're in queen training,

1595
01:17:11,400 --> 01:17:16,519
Speaker 7: stop being fearful of taking your position. And queens don't

1596
01:17:16,520 --> 01:17:20,200
Speaker 7: walk around with barnets and head scarfs and slippers and pajamas.

1597
01:17:20,520 --> 01:17:25,160
Speaker 7: That's for the house when you go outside. Represents your

1598
01:17:25,240 --> 01:17:29,599
Speaker 7: baby like you are worthy and you deserve the title

1599
01:17:30,320 --> 01:17:34,880
Speaker 7: of Hey queen, Nikki loved y'all for real, and I

1600
01:17:34,880 --> 01:17:38,719
Speaker 7: ain't never gonna be YESU stop wearing them damn barnets

1601
01:17:38,760 --> 01:17:41,439
Speaker 7: and head scarfs looking like don't nobody give a damn

1602
01:17:41,479 --> 01:17:43,639
Speaker 7: about you, nor do you give a damn about yourself

1603
01:17:44,320 --> 01:17:47,160
Speaker 7: because you beautiful, so represented.

1604
01:17:48,160 --> 01:17:50,080
Speaker 6: I love y'all for real, my babies.

1605
01:17:50,800 --> 01:17:53,719
Speaker 1: All right, So then you had a full context here, thoughts.

1606
01:17:54,880 --> 01:17:55,640
Speaker 6: A lot of this is.

1607
01:17:58,520 --> 01:18:04,639
Speaker 3: That police correctness, political respectability, yes, respectability, politics, and giving

1608
01:18:04,640 --> 01:18:06,639
Speaker 3: a fuck about what white people think about you, because

1609
01:18:06,720 --> 01:18:09,600
Speaker 3: niggas been tying their heads up forever, forever, ever and

1610
01:18:09,800 --> 01:18:13,320
Speaker 3: ever ever, and you don't know why my hair's tied up.

1611
01:18:14,160 --> 01:18:15,799
Speaker 3: I could be going to a win in to a funeral.

1612
01:18:15,840 --> 01:18:17,680
Speaker 3: I might not want to swip my hair like you.

1613
01:18:17,880 --> 01:18:22,919
Speaker 3: You don't know why I'm doing this, and particularly after airport.

1614
01:18:23,800 --> 01:18:26,400
Speaker 3: I know for a fact a lot of times black

1615
01:18:26,439 --> 01:18:28,800
Speaker 3: people have a tendency, particularly black women, when you wear

1616
01:18:28,840 --> 01:18:30,400
Speaker 3: your natural hair, they want to touch it and shit.

1617
01:18:30,800 --> 01:18:32,519
Speaker 3: So you might put it in the bonnet just so

1618
01:18:32,720 --> 01:18:34,880
Speaker 3: it won't flag and shit like that, you know, on

1619
01:18:35,040 --> 01:18:36,680
Speaker 3: the thing, because the oars that we have in our

1620
01:18:36,760 --> 01:18:40,639
Speaker 3: hair causes the thing to flat. That's why I paid

1621
01:18:40,680 --> 01:18:43,240
Speaker 3: the money for the TSA, just so I can skip

1622
01:18:43,280 --> 01:18:44,840
Speaker 3: past all that bullshit. And I ain't got to worry

1623
01:18:44,840 --> 01:18:46,519
Speaker 3: about you patted me down and filling up on me

1624
01:18:46,560 --> 01:18:48,759
Speaker 3: and shit and running your fingers through my hair because

1625
01:18:48,800 --> 01:18:53,559
Speaker 3: the fucking thing went off. And my thing is, who

1626
01:18:53,640 --> 01:18:55,320
Speaker 3: are you to tell me what I can and cannot

1627
01:18:55,360 --> 01:18:58,040
Speaker 3: wear and where I can and cannot wear it? A queen,

1628
01:18:58,479 --> 01:19:00,080
Speaker 3: I don't care if I being a goddamn.

1629
01:19:00,000 --> 01:19:02,000
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, because you know, I think she had

1630
01:19:02,120 --> 01:19:04,559
Speaker 2: considered that maybe some women don't care about being her.

1631
01:19:04,560 --> 01:19:05,479
Speaker 1: Definition of a queen.

1632
01:19:06,479 --> 01:19:09,000
Speaker 3: I don't care. And I woke up and I made

1633
01:19:09,040 --> 01:19:11,160
Speaker 3: a conscious decision to look like this. I knew I

1634
01:19:11,280 --> 01:19:14,519
Speaker 3: looked like this before you've seen me. I just knew it.

1635
01:19:14,880 --> 01:19:17,800
Speaker 2: My main thing is, you can't be tapping women with

1636
01:19:17,920 --> 01:19:20,160
Speaker 2: bodies on the shoulder. I just cannot reiterate that you

1637
01:19:20,200 --> 01:19:22,760
Speaker 2: don't know what's on their minds. You don't know, and

1638
01:19:22,840 --> 01:19:25,960
Speaker 2: what's gonna be on your face is some hands. Okay,

1639
01:19:26,600 --> 01:19:28,640
Speaker 2: Like that is not like I tell you that the

1640
01:19:28,720 --> 01:19:31,200
Speaker 2: Air Force ones, they're there, black air Force ones of

1641
01:19:32,120 --> 01:19:34,880
Speaker 2: black women. Man, that's not the type of black woman

1642
01:19:34,960 --> 01:19:37,280
Speaker 2: you interrupt in the middle of her minding her business

1643
01:19:37,320 --> 01:19:37,519
Speaker 2: and be.

1644
01:19:37,640 --> 01:19:42,200
Speaker 1: Like, hey, queen, you know you need to have some pride.

1645
01:19:42,439 --> 01:19:46,400
Speaker 3: Oh shit, O you know she ain't bothering nobody. She

1646
01:19:46,439 --> 01:19:49,760
Speaker 3: ain't said nothing nobody she is. She's literally minding her.

1647
01:19:49,840 --> 01:19:50,719
Speaker 1: All of this started.

1648
01:19:51,040 --> 01:19:53,320
Speaker 2: All of this started off of people showing videos of

1649
01:19:53,600 --> 01:19:56,880
Speaker 2: like black women that fight, and that's the outfit of

1650
01:19:56,960 --> 01:19:59,400
Speaker 2: a black woman that will whoop your motherfucking ass. You're

1651
01:19:59,400 --> 01:20:01,519
Speaker 2: gonna have to like, it's gonna be a fight. So

1652
01:20:01,680 --> 01:20:03,600
Speaker 2: how is the next thing you see gonna be? And

1653
01:20:03,680 --> 01:20:05,280
Speaker 2: then we need to tap him on the shoulder. Why

1654
01:20:06,160 --> 01:20:07,680
Speaker 2: it sounds like you don't need to tap him on

1655
01:20:07,720 --> 01:20:09,960
Speaker 2: the shoulder from everything y'all been saying.

1656
01:20:11,160 --> 01:20:13,840
Speaker 3: You know, Yeah, my thing is, you don't know what

1657
01:20:14,000 --> 01:20:16,120
Speaker 3: twelve other fly to eight off flight? How long gonna

1658
01:20:16,160 --> 01:20:18,320
Speaker 3: be on this motherfucking plane. And I'm like, I don't

1659
01:20:18,360 --> 01:20:20,719
Speaker 3: want to rub my head on these cotton ass seats

1660
01:20:20,760 --> 01:20:22,519
Speaker 3: for them to tear my edges up. You don't know

1661
01:20:22,600 --> 01:20:24,200
Speaker 3: why I got this bodyside my head.

1662
01:20:24,479 --> 01:20:26,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, you know, and if I'm being you know,

1663
01:20:27,040 --> 01:20:28,960
Speaker 2: let me stop joking for a second. If I'm being serious,

1664
01:20:30,000 --> 01:20:33,679
Speaker 2: She's fifty three years old. You know, not ancient or anything,

1665
01:20:34,000 --> 01:20:35,280
Speaker 2: but she's fifty three years old.

1666
01:20:35,680 --> 01:20:37,760
Speaker 5: And you know that is that.

1667
01:20:38,120 --> 01:20:41,719
Speaker 2: Certain age range where black people get a little bit older,

1668
01:20:42,040 --> 01:20:47,280
Speaker 2: Black people can be conservative, and black people definitely believe

1669
01:20:47,360 --> 01:20:48,480
Speaker 2: in that presentability.

1670
01:20:48,520 --> 01:20:52,000
Speaker 3: Shit, yeah my mom, Yeah, so fight against them my

1671
01:20:52,040 --> 01:20:52,800
Speaker 3: whole life of with that.

1672
01:20:53,360 --> 01:20:56,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is that thing that I think social media

1673
01:20:56,840 --> 01:20:58,680
Speaker 2: and black Twitter and shit they get mad about. But

1674
01:20:58,800 --> 01:21:01,000
Speaker 2: I don't really ever get that mad about this kind

1675
01:21:01,000 --> 01:21:02,719
Speaker 2: of shit from a certain type of black person because

1676
01:21:02,720 --> 01:21:06,160
Speaker 2: I'm like, okay, like I'm just gonna.

1677
01:21:06,120 --> 01:21:09,120
Speaker 1: It's not like I have to do what she says.

1678
01:21:09,240 --> 01:21:12,280
Speaker 1: I'm just ignore it. I'm an adult. You're an adult, and.

1679
01:21:13,840 --> 01:21:17,600
Speaker 2: If you need to be you know, fresh looking in

1680
01:21:17,680 --> 01:21:19,519
Speaker 2: a certain type of way to be at an airport

1681
01:21:19,920 --> 01:21:23,720
Speaker 2: because it means something to you that way, fine, you know,

1682
01:21:23,800 --> 01:21:25,560
Speaker 2: because she's like, you should do this, go into the

1683
01:21:25,600 --> 01:21:28,280
Speaker 2: grocery store and all this place. I'm like, if that's

1684
01:21:28,280 --> 01:21:31,240
Speaker 2: what you believe, that's fine. You can't really make anybody

1685
01:21:31,320 --> 01:21:35,000
Speaker 2: else believe you, you know. And what she's really saying,

1686
01:21:35,200 --> 01:21:37,600
Speaker 2: like all this advice, what she's really saying on a

1687
01:21:37,640 --> 01:21:40,639
Speaker 2: deeper level is how she feels about herself. What she's

1688
01:21:40,720 --> 01:21:45,320
Speaker 2: really saying is Monique does not feel right unless she

1689
01:21:45,600 --> 01:21:47,880
Speaker 2: looks a certain way when she's out in public.

1690
01:21:48,320 --> 01:21:49,639
Speaker 1: That's literally what she said.

1691
01:21:49,760 --> 01:21:51,840
Speaker 2: I think if you look at it that way, it's

1692
01:21:51,960 --> 01:21:54,200
Speaker 2: less scary, and it's less we need to drag her

1693
01:21:54,280 --> 01:21:56,719
Speaker 2: and cancer her and shit, it's just more like, Okay,

1694
01:21:57,040 --> 01:21:59,880
Speaker 2: everybody got this person in their family, you know.

1695
01:22:00,120 --> 01:22:01,920
Speaker 1: But now, you know, we get all dog pole on

1696
01:22:02,000 --> 01:22:03,080
Speaker 1: social media together.

1697
01:22:02,880 --> 01:22:06,120
Speaker 2: But in real life, everybody got that hey, pull your

1698
01:22:06,160 --> 01:22:08,559
Speaker 2: pants up, nephew, Like come on, man, you got your

1699
01:22:08,640 --> 01:22:10,439
Speaker 2: ass hanging out or whatever, and you know, it's just

1700
01:22:10,520 --> 01:22:12,920
Speaker 2: part of going to the cookout every years that one

1701
01:22:13,040 --> 01:22:15,360
Speaker 2: uncle gonna be Look, now, look at you do.

1702
01:22:15,520 --> 01:22:18,479
Speaker 1: Tight ass pants. Why are you wearing them? Tight ass pants? Boy?

1703
01:22:18,880 --> 01:22:21,240
Speaker 3: You know, like it's just to me, it's not.

1704
01:22:21,439 --> 01:22:24,120
Speaker 1: I'm not as threatened by this because I think.

1705
01:22:24,040 --> 01:22:25,560
Speaker 2: For the most part, just see it as part of

1706
01:22:25,680 --> 01:22:29,280
Speaker 2: being black, right, And I don't really see it in

1707
01:22:29,360 --> 01:22:31,720
Speaker 2: the academic fashion that so many people discuss it in

1708
01:22:31,880 --> 01:22:33,760
Speaker 2: where it's like, you know, this is.

1709
01:22:33,800 --> 01:22:37,360
Speaker 1: About the years of respectability that we have endured as

1710
01:22:37,360 --> 01:22:40,280
Speaker 1: a community, and it's a typical form of anti black

1711
01:22:40,280 --> 01:22:42,320
Speaker 1: And I'm like, I get what you're saying. I really do.

1712
01:22:42,560 --> 01:22:45,080
Speaker 2: I'm not trying to knock you, but it's also just

1713
01:22:45,400 --> 01:22:48,120
Speaker 2: your auntie at the cookout saying some shit that you're

1714
01:22:48,160 --> 01:22:50,400
Speaker 2: gonna go okay and then go about your life.

1715
01:22:50,680 --> 01:22:53,240
Speaker 3: Right, because actually nobody gets a fuck And you know what,

1716
01:22:53,680 --> 01:22:56,960
Speaker 3: Niggas gets shot in suits. Niggas get shot in their

1717
01:22:57,000 --> 01:22:59,720
Speaker 3: pants showing ass, and niggas get shot in pull ups,

1718
01:22:59,800 --> 01:23:02,439
Speaker 3: and niggas get shot with ties like well.

1719
01:23:02,360 --> 01:23:04,360
Speaker 2: She's not even talking about not getting shot by the police.

1720
01:23:04,479 --> 01:23:06,599
Speaker 2: That's not what she's talking about. She's just talking about

1721
01:23:07,080 --> 01:23:10,360
Speaker 2: And for the record, it will resonate with some people. Yes,

1722
01:23:10,920 --> 01:23:13,719
Speaker 2: you know, I know there's times when I dress better,

1723
01:23:14,200 --> 01:23:16,920
Speaker 2: or dress up a bit and I feel better about myself.

1724
01:23:17,720 --> 01:23:20,479
Speaker 2: You know, there's time it does It does matter to

1725
01:23:20,840 --> 01:23:24,240
Speaker 2: you individually. I'm not saying that I walk out and

1726
01:23:24,240 --> 01:23:25,960
Speaker 2: I look at some how someone else is dressed and

1727
01:23:26,000 --> 01:23:26,679
Speaker 2: I cave a fuck.

1728
01:23:26,720 --> 01:23:27,200
Speaker 3: I never do.

1729
01:23:27,720 --> 01:23:29,720
Speaker 2: But there's been times where I'm like, you know what,

1730
01:23:29,920 --> 01:23:32,920
Speaker 2: let me put on a shirt with some buttons on it,

1731
01:23:33,200 --> 01:23:36,040
Speaker 2: or you know, let me make sure my beard is straightened.

1732
01:23:36,080 --> 01:23:37,640
Speaker 1: I got my da da da da. But that's me

1733
01:23:37,840 --> 01:23:38,519
Speaker 1: choosing to do that.

1734
01:23:38,640 --> 01:23:43,000
Speaker 2: For myself and how I feel, and it really doesn't

1735
01:23:43,040 --> 01:23:45,760
Speaker 2: apply to anybody else. And then I think one of

1736
01:23:45,840 --> 01:23:48,439
Speaker 2: the things that I've really embraced in the last few

1737
01:23:48,520 --> 01:23:51,400
Speaker 2: years is just especially with black people. All Right, that's

1738
01:23:51,439 --> 01:23:55,040
Speaker 2: your opinion, you know what I mean, not just for Monique,

1739
01:23:55,080 --> 01:23:57,640
Speaker 2: but for all these niggas. This is how you need

1740
01:23:57,680 --> 01:24:01,519
Speaker 2: to be in your marriage. Okay, you're opinion, you know

1741
01:24:01,560 --> 01:24:02,000
Speaker 2: what I mean?

1742
01:24:02,200 --> 01:24:04,400
Speaker 1: Like I don't agree the end.

1743
01:24:05,080 --> 01:24:06,880
Speaker 2: Now what we're gonna do stare at each other, like,

1744
01:24:08,479 --> 01:24:10,240
Speaker 2: guess what's gonna happen when you go to the airport

1745
01:24:10,320 --> 01:24:13,920
Speaker 2: next time? Black women are gonna still be in bonnetless

1746
01:24:13,960 --> 01:24:16,760
Speaker 2: and some and some of them won't and some of

1747
01:24:16,840 --> 01:24:19,599
Speaker 2: them will, and it won't really matter because we y'all

1748
01:24:19,640 --> 01:24:21,720
Speaker 2: got to exist together. There's nothing we can do about it,

1749
01:24:22,120 --> 01:24:24,639
Speaker 2: right every when when it comes to blackness, we're all

1750
01:24:24,840 --> 01:24:27,560
Speaker 2: a part of that blackness. Yeah, people made it a debate, so,

1751
01:24:27,600 --> 01:24:29,840
Speaker 2: which is why she even hopped in, because everybody was

1752
01:24:29,880 --> 01:24:33,240
Speaker 2: hopping in and whatnot. But you know, I can't even

1753
01:24:33,280 --> 01:24:34,840
Speaker 2: sound shocked by her opinion or whatever.

1754
01:24:35,120 --> 01:24:37,360
Speaker 1: That's just it. I just ain't planning on, you know,

1755
01:24:38,160 --> 01:24:38,880
Speaker 1: doing that shit.

1756
01:24:39,880 --> 01:24:42,680
Speaker 2: So and then of course I'm sure somebody right the

1757
01:24:42,760 --> 01:24:51,679
Speaker 2: fucking definitive, you know, the definitive like bonnet, academic medium

1758
01:24:51,760 --> 01:24:52,360
Speaker 2: piece or whatever.

1759
01:24:52,439 --> 01:24:55,479
Speaker 1: I don't think it's that deep for me.

1760
01:24:56,439 --> 01:24:58,479
Speaker 3: And I'm gonna tell right now, I don't care. I

1761
01:24:58,680 --> 01:25:03,400
Speaker 3: really I don't. And for a lot of people, like

1762
01:25:03,560 --> 01:25:05,920
Speaker 3: a lot of Shiti, which really made a lot of

1763
01:25:05,960 --> 01:25:09,080
Speaker 3: black women mad this period, this came a reason for

1764
01:25:09,200 --> 01:25:11,080
Speaker 3: niggas is just coming in shit on black women. And

1765
01:25:12,479 --> 01:25:15,200
Speaker 3: and so that becomes a problem because there's like, y'all

1766
01:25:15,320 --> 01:25:17,479
Speaker 3: leave us the fuck alone. Who gets a goddamn what

1767
01:25:17,560 --> 01:25:20,120
Speaker 3: we wear? Y'all niggas don't have shit to say about shit.

1768
01:25:20,240 --> 01:25:23,280
Speaker 3: But the second time comes a time for for y'all

1769
01:25:23,439 --> 01:25:26,160
Speaker 3: for black women to get shipped on it. It's like

1770
01:25:26,280 --> 01:25:29,360
Speaker 3: a clock. Y'all come out of nowhere, y'all talking about

1771
01:25:29,400 --> 01:25:31,320
Speaker 3: black women. Here, I come. I'm gona talk about what

1772
01:25:31,360 --> 01:25:31,840
Speaker 3: you got to say.

1773
01:25:32,040 --> 01:25:35,080
Speaker 2: Well, I only gently pushed back a little bit, which

1774
01:25:35,120 --> 01:25:36,080
Speaker 2: is to say people.

1775
01:25:35,960 --> 01:25:37,120
Speaker 1: Like doing this to everybody.

1776
01:25:39,240 --> 01:25:40,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm just black women.

1777
01:25:41,040 --> 01:25:42,760
Speaker 1: You know that's what you're saying. I'm just taking it

1778
01:25:42,800 --> 01:25:44,840
Speaker 1: one step further and saying they like doing this shit

1779
01:25:44,880 --> 01:25:45,360
Speaker 1: to everybody.

1780
01:25:45,479 --> 01:25:45,839
Speaker 3: Agreed.

1781
01:25:46,120 --> 01:25:50,360
Speaker 1: I've seen it a lot, the men dressing bummy the ship.

1782
01:25:50,439 --> 01:25:52,799
Speaker 2: They just had something that went viral about a baseball

1783
01:25:53,280 --> 01:25:56,080
Speaker 2: date where a guy was wearing shorts and a T

1784
01:25:56,320 --> 01:25:58,719
Speaker 2: shirt and some woman on Twitter said that he shouldn't

1785
01:25:58,760 --> 01:26:00,960
Speaker 2: be wearing shorts and a T shirt and men need

1786
01:26:01,040 --> 01:26:03,320
Speaker 2: to dress up on dates and go into a ballpark,

1787
01:26:03,360 --> 01:26:06,160
Speaker 2: blah blah blah, and it went viral because everybody was

1788
01:26:06,200 --> 01:26:08,880
Speaker 2: shitting on her like fuck you, and then women were

1789
01:26:09,000 --> 01:26:11,120
Speaker 2: like retweeting, They're like, no, but she got a point.

1790
01:26:11,439 --> 01:26:13,840
Speaker 2: Me and dog don't know how to dress. They dress ugly,

1791
01:26:13,920 --> 01:26:16,840
Speaker 2: they dress bummy. My point being everybody does it. It

1792
01:26:16,880 --> 01:26:19,400
Speaker 2: doesn't hurt till it's you. When it's you, when it's you.

1793
01:26:19,560 --> 01:26:22,240
Speaker 1: It's like nobody ever does just to anybody, like no.

1794
01:26:23,400 --> 01:26:25,800
Speaker 2: People are very fucked up on social media, and then

1795
01:26:25,840 --> 01:26:28,880
Speaker 2: they just try to hide behind like it only happens

1796
01:26:28,920 --> 01:26:29,479
Speaker 2: to my group.

1797
01:26:29,600 --> 01:26:31,840
Speaker 1: No, everybody does it. I fucked up.

1798
01:26:31,960 --> 01:26:32,439
Speaker 3: I agree.

1799
01:26:32,840 --> 01:26:38,439
Speaker 1: So in this case it does jump into the gender

1800
01:26:38,520 --> 01:26:38,960
Speaker 1: war thing.

1801
01:26:39,520 --> 01:26:42,120
Speaker 2: So of course you got dudes jumping in Palin on

1802
01:26:42,200 --> 01:26:46,479
Speaker 2: applause who people love, sometimes hate sometimes. He said something

1803
01:26:46,520 --> 01:26:48,960
Speaker 2: about women shouldn't be able to wear bondis I'm on

1804
01:26:49,000 --> 01:26:50,599
Speaker 2: than six feet outside they residents.

1805
01:26:50,800 --> 01:26:52,680
Speaker 1: He was trying to make jokes about it.

1806
01:26:52,760 --> 01:26:55,280
Speaker 2: He said, they wear these motherfuckers in the airport like

1807
01:26:55,320 --> 01:26:58,800
Speaker 2: they a Louis Vauton bucket. Hat ain't in y'all business, ladies.

1808
01:26:58,840 --> 01:27:01,519
Speaker 2: I just thought that was supposed to be sleeping. And

1809
01:27:01,640 --> 01:27:03,960
Speaker 2: then he's foot and laughing about and then he put

1810
01:27:04,040 --> 01:27:05,479
Speaker 2: bond this is the female do rag.

1811
01:27:06,680 --> 01:27:08,640
Speaker 1: So it seemed like he was on joke time. That

1812
01:27:08,760 --> 01:27:10,679
Speaker 1: sounds like joke time, which I'm sure.

1813
01:27:10,800 --> 01:27:13,599
Speaker 2: In a in a you know, in this climate, he's

1814
01:27:13,640 --> 01:27:16,760
Speaker 2: probably getting you know, probably getting clowned or whatever.

1815
01:27:17,120 --> 01:27:18,519
Speaker 3: Sound like he was taking himself seriously.

1816
01:27:18,920 --> 01:27:21,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, somebody probably posted a picture him in a

1817
01:27:21,840 --> 01:27:25,000
Speaker 2: do rag or some ship on here. I don't know, Yes,

1818
01:27:25,479 --> 01:27:28,040
Speaker 2: I don't know, but yo, this ship was major news

1819
01:27:28,200 --> 01:27:30,719
Speaker 2: that Monique even said this ship, that this was even

1820
01:27:30,880 --> 01:27:31,759
Speaker 2: trending on Twitter.

1821
01:27:31,840 --> 01:27:31,960
Speaker 6: Ear.

1822
01:27:32,160 --> 01:27:34,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, I didn't really know that boy Bonnagay went out

1823
01:27:34,800 --> 01:27:36,680
Speaker 3: of control. All I know is I just seen that

1824
01:27:36,840 --> 01:27:39,759
Speaker 3: picture and I was like, dang, what the fuck Bonnetts?

1825
01:27:39,800 --> 01:27:41,519
Speaker 3: Who cares? And I just got do do do?

1826
01:27:42,200 --> 01:27:45,320
Speaker 2: I'm always I an't and it's maybe it's just maybe

1827
01:27:45,360 --> 01:27:48,639
Speaker 2: it says something about me. Maybe I'm so maybe I'm

1828
01:27:48,680 --> 01:27:51,840
Speaker 2: self absorbed. But I'm always surprised people care that much

1829
01:27:51,840 --> 01:27:52,840
Speaker 2: about what other people wear.

1830
01:27:53,640 --> 01:27:57,080
Speaker 1: I'm always surprised, Like there has never been.

1831
01:27:57,040 --> 01:27:59,960
Speaker 2: A phase of any clothing I've ever gave a fuck about,

1832
01:28:00,920 --> 01:28:02,840
Speaker 2: you know, and people do it all the time. People

1833
01:28:02,960 --> 01:28:05,320
Speaker 2: that I think, you know, are quote unquote kind of

1834
01:28:05,360 --> 01:28:08,479
Speaker 2: woke and smart. I'll listen to their show or whatever,

1835
01:28:08,479 --> 01:28:11,080
Speaker 2: and then they just go off on people's like clothing choice.

1836
01:28:11,080 --> 01:28:14,559
Speaker 2: I'm like, what, like, where is this coming from?

1837
01:28:15,240 --> 01:28:15,280
Speaker 3: Like?

1838
01:28:15,720 --> 01:28:18,240
Speaker 1: And maybe I'm not a stylish person, so I don't understand,

1839
01:28:18,280 --> 01:28:22,320
Speaker 1: but it's just who gave? Who's the fuck cares?

1840
01:28:22,640 --> 01:28:22,800
Speaker 3: Right?

1841
01:28:23,000 --> 01:28:27,800
Speaker 2: And skinny jeans, tight pants, loose pants? Men rib no men,

1842
01:28:27,920 --> 01:28:31,840
Speaker 2: rib titties pushed together, yoga pants. I don't care what

1843
01:28:31,960 --> 01:28:36,040
Speaker 2: you put on your body. It doesn't mean anything to me, Like,

1844
01:28:36,160 --> 01:28:38,120
Speaker 2: what the fuck unless it's some of scene like I'm

1845
01:28:38,120 --> 01:28:39,439
Speaker 2: gonna put my dick on the table.

1846
01:28:39,560 --> 01:28:43,080
Speaker 1: Who gives a fuck? It has nothing to do with me.

1847
01:28:44,439 --> 01:28:46,880
Speaker 1: This is insane to me how much people care that.

1848
01:28:47,240 --> 01:28:49,559
Speaker 2: Like I said, I know I'm the weird one because

1849
01:28:49,600 --> 01:28:52,720
Speaker 2: everyone seems to care about this bullshit right and also a.

1850
01:28:52,760 --> 01:28:55,280
Speaker 3: Lot of times this and other things not your funny.

1851
01:28:55,600 --> 01:28:58,280
Speaker 3: All you're telling me is insecurity is within yourself, Like like,

1852
01:28:58,439 --> 01:29:01,479
Speaker 3: that's that's all this raised up come? Because I think

1853
01:29:01,560 --> 01:29:03,560
Speaker 3: a lot of people have insecurity about clothing. You have

1854
01:29:03,600 --> 01:29:05,639
Speaker 3: a lot of people that grew up and they couldn't

1855
01:29:05,640 --> 01:29:07,680
Speaker 3: afford it. Now they can't afford those things, so then

1856
01:29:07,720 --> 01:29:10,040
Speaker 3: they turn around they judge people like they would judge.

1857
01:29:10,240 --> 01:29:11,600
Speaker 3: So you have people to fall in that group. You

1858
01:29:11,640 --> 01:29:14,240
Speaker 3: have people who their family kind of was always in

1859
01:29:14,280 --> 01:29:16,479
Speaker 3: the name brand. They felt the pressure to get named brands.

1860
01:29:16,560 --> 01:29:18,559
Speaker 3: They grow up, they raised their kids to get named

1861
01:29:18,600 --> 01:29:20,679
Speaker 3: I don't give a fuck. I probably have name brands.

1862
01:29:20,720 --> 01:29:22,120
Speaker 3: I don't know what the fuck it is. Other people

1863
01:29:22,160 --> 01:29:23,800
Speaker 3: tell me it's next because I can't keep up with

1864
01:29:23,800 --> 01:29:24,880
Speaker 3: stuff like that because I don't care.

1865
01:29:25,080 --> 01:29:28,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, I get more, Uh, I get more upset that

1866
01:29:28,960 --> 01:29:31,639
Speaker 2: people said out here eating armies. Then I get about

1867
01:29:32,520 --> 01:29:35,679
Speaker 2: whether or not they wore Jean jackets in the whatever.

1868
01:29:35,800 --> 01:29:36,759
Speaker 1: Who gives a fuck?

1869
01:29:37,800 --> 01:29:41,479
Speaker 2: This is all very weird. It's all very fucking weird.

1870
01:29:41,880 --> 01:29:44,200
Speaker 2: Everybody is being super weird about this shit.

1871
01:29:44,320 --> 01:29:44,840
Speaker 3: Yeah they are.

1872
01:29:45,040 --> 01:29:47,640
Speaker 1: I can't believe she got a bond it all? Is

1873
01:29:47,680 --> 01:29:50,040
Speaker 1: it on your head? Who cares?

1874
01:29:50,720 --> 01:29:51,040
Speaker 3: All right?

1875
01:29:51,680 --> 01:29:54,280
Speaker 1: No, if anything, just look at the clothing for the

1876
01:29:54,360 --> 01:29:57,840
Speaker 1: warning flags. Now that I do believe in. So if

1877
01:29:57,880 --> 01:29:59,680
Speaker 1: I see you in the Black Air Force once i'm

1878
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:04,080
Speaker 1: you're clear, Thank you, sir for letting me know that

1879
01:30:04,240 --> 01:30:07,400
Speaker 1: you are not the one, okay, won to fuck with.

1880
01:30:07,640 --> 01:30:09,920
Speaker 2: If you got your bonnet on and you're heading towards

1881
01:30:09,960 --> 01:30:12,960
Speaker 2: the Southwest Gate, I already know what time it is.

1882
01:30:13,280 --> 01:30:15,559
Speaker 2: I'll wait to get my luggage off the rack after

1883
01:30:15,640 --> 01:30:16,160
Speaker 2: your gone.

1884
01:30:16,280 --> 01:30:20,679
Speaker 1: Man, have a pleasant day. Come on, man, what happened

1885
01:30:20,720 --> 01:30:24,040
Speaker 1: to that? But nah, I really do not get this shit.

1886
01:30:24,200 --> 01:30:27,559
Speaker 2: So, and I think everyone's guilty of it. By the way, Oh,

1887
01:30:27,720 --> 01:30:30,080
Speaker 2: everyone's piling on my nique. But I've seen a version

1888
01:30:30,160 --> 01:30:34,120
Speaker 2: of this with everything and everybody. Yes, it's like, oh,

1889
01:30:34,280 --> 01:30:37,120
Speaker 2: y'all wore this, y'all wore this. I'm like, who what

1890
01:30:38,000 --> 01:30:43,280
Speaker 2: you care about that? I can't twenty y'all was wearing

1891
01:30:43,640 --> 01:30:48,840
Speaker 2: best with no shirts underneaven like okay, okay, all right right.

1892
01:30:48,920 --> 01:30:50,760
Speaker 2: I look at it like a video game when people

1893
01:30:50,840 --> 01:30:54,599
Speaker 2: create a character, like, who get that they character chose

1894
01:30:54,720 --> 01:30:56,479
Speaker 2: no shirts, were wearing vegs?

1895
01:30:56,720 --> 01:31:00,600
Speaker 3: Come on, create a character and that and that's what

1896
01:31:00,800 --> 01:31:04,560
Speaker 3: they their version of their avatar decide to wear. So

1897
01:31:04,800 --> 01:31:08,000
Speaker 3: we are cool. And I think for me growing up,

1898
01:31:08,000 --> 01:31:10,040
Speaker 3: and I love my mama. But her thing was she

1899
01:31:10,160 --> 01:31:12,519
Speaker 3: was very fashion conscious than I wasn't, so she knit

1900
01:31:12,600 --> 01:31:14,080
Speaker 3: picked out everything that I wore, and I was like,

1901
01:31:14,120 --> 01:31:15,960
Speaker 3: I don't give a fuck. Just leave me the fuck alone.

1902
01:31:16,280 --> 01:31:17,840
Speaker 1: You wearing knee hot socks? Cool?

1903
01:31:18,680 --> 01:31:22,280
Speaker 3: Come on, I don't care, don't care your ship mixed matched,

1904
01:31:22,479 --> 01:31:23,440
Speaker 3: don't unless.

1905
01:31:23,160 --> 01:31:25,439
Speaker 2: You go in my closet and start making me wear

1906
01:31:25,520 --> 01:31:27,840
Speaker 2: some shit I don't want to wear. And then I

1907
01:31:28,680 --> 01:31:33,200
Speaker 2: can never imagine caring, you know what I mean? I

1908
01:31:33,320 --> 01:31:34,639
Speaker 2: love him ship low key.

1909
01:31:34,680 --> 01:31:37,120
Speaker 1: I love a good like ridiculous.

1910
01:31:36,600 --> 01:31:40,400
Speaker 2: Outfit anyway, But anyway, I don't know. It's gotta it's

1911
01:31:40,400 --> 01:31:42,160
Speaker 2: gotta be some remnant of slavery type ship.

1912
01:31:42,200 --> 01:31:42,680
Speaker 3: It's gotta be.

1913
01:31:43,520 --> 01:31:45,160
Speaker 1: I don't even feel like getting that deep into it,

1914
01:31:45,280 --> 01:31:50,479
Speaker 1: but you know, let me guess, right, because yeah, like, uh,

1915
01:31:51,400 --> 01:31:53,360
Speaker 1: Bill Cosby is back in the news.

1916
01:31:53,600 --> 01:31:54,240
Speaker 3: What about him?

1917
01:31:54,439 --> 01:31:57,040
Speaker 2: He airs out his grievances with the media at the

1918
01:31:57,120 --> 01:31:59,919
Speaker 2: being denied parole. He did it on Instagram?

1919
01:32:01,080 --> 01:32:03,160
Speaker 3: You got an Instagram account? Did you tell somebody log

1920
01:32:03,280 --> 01:32:03,680
Speaker 3: in for him?

1921
01:32:04,240 --> 01:32:08,439
Speaker 1: How does that work? I don't know. I've never been

1922
01:32:08,479 --> 01:32:10,479
Speaker 1: to prison. Maybe you can have it in there. Apparently

1923
01:32:10,560 --> 01:32:14,080
Speaker 1: you can, you know, or maybe, like I know, shit,

1924
01:32:14,160 --> 01:32:17,680
Speaker 1: they probably sell you though you on Instagram. Let me

1925
01:32:17,800 --> 01:32:20,720
Speaker 1: sell your tablet forty seven dollars a day, you know what.

1926
01:32:20,880 --> 01:32:22,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're gonna have to print a lot of license

1927
01:32:22,800 --> 01:32:25,280
Speaker 2: plates stuff for the hour of this and come on,

1928
01:32:26,000 --> 01:32:27,479
Speaker 2: they do Maybe that's what it is.

1929
01:32:27,560 --> 01:32:29,960
Speaker 1: I don't know. Do they monitor the Instagram?

1930
01:32:30,200 --> 01:32:32,320
Speaker 3: You know they do them everything you can say.

1931
01:32:32,439 --> 01:32:34,639
Speaker 2: You could do some shit on Instagram from into jail.

1932
01:32:34,680 --> 01:32:36,920
Speaker 2: It is, you know, like, hey, man, kill the witness

1933
01:32:37,360 --> 01:32:38,080
Speaker 2: direct message?

1934
01:32:39,000 --> 01:32:40,760
Speaker 1: Uh just you supposed to me?

1935
01:32:40,960 --> 01:32:43,200
Speaker 2: Hey, it'd be a shamed if somebody killed the witness

1936
01:32:43,280 --> 01:32:48,960
Speaker 2: to my crime. Anyway, I have a good day post. Well,

1937
01:32:49,000 --> 01:32:52,440
Speaker 2: you went on Instagram and said, attention America.

1938
01:32:53,360 --> 01:32:56,760
Speaker 1: I can't do it. Bill Cott's been so long. They

1939
01:32:56,840 --> 01:33:01,599
Speaker 1: are they are lying to you again. Hit all the facts.

1940
01:33:03,080 --> 01:33:09,000
Speaker 1: Oh no, it's pretty bad, it's pretty rusty. Contrary to

1941
01:33:09,160 --> 01:33:12,400
Speaker 1: the reports that you have been reading in the media,

1942
01:33:13,240 --> 01:33:19,120
Speaker 1: mister Cosby has never charged nor convicted of rape. Mister

1943
01:33:19,240 --> 01:33:23,320
Speaker 1: Cosby was convicted of aggravated in decent assault, for which

1944
01:33:23,400 --> 01:33:29,200
Speaker 1: he maintains his innocence. Oh no, the media and.

1945
01:33:29,320 --> 01:33:35,320
Speaker 2: His machine have repeatedly and blatantly misled and misrepresented the facts,

1946
01:33:35,840 --> 01:33:40,160
Speaker 2: continuing in there tempt to manipulate the public opinion against

1947
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Speaker 2: mister Cosby.

1948
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Speaker 1: And that's what he said on the IgE third person.

1949
01:33:47,280 --> 01:33:50,000
Speaker 2: The media and the machine sat here getting mister Cosby.

1950
01:33:51,360 --> 01:33:54,720
Speaker 2: So you got him again, media, he was hoodwink And

1951
01:33:54,880 --> 01:33:57,160
Speaker 2: by media I mean the fifty seven women he was

1952
01:33:57,200 --> 01:34:02,720
Speaker 2: accused of sexual assaulting and that testified and uh, you know,

1953
01:34:03,160 --> 01:34:04,920
Speaker 2: the media because.

1954
01:34:04,680 --> 01:34:07,280
Speaker 1: Apparently the media only wanted to get him. I don't

1955
01:34:07,320 --> 01:34:10,160
Speaker 1: know why, just him. I mean it seemed like this

1956
01:34:10,320 --> 01:34:11,679
Speaker 1: is a pretty full proof tactic.

1957
01:34:11,760 --> 01:34:14,639
Speaker 2: If you can just get fifty seven women that huse

1958
01:34:14,720 --> 01:34:17,920
Speaker 2: somebody alse sexual assault on a whim. You would think

1959
01:34:17,960 --> 01:34:19,960
Speaker 2: you do it against more than just Bill Cosey. You

1960
01:34:20,000 --> 01:34:22,680
Speaker 2: think you'd be doing the shit left and right. You know,

1961
01:34:23,080 --> 01:34:25,599
Speaker 2: all these people out here calls and call and havoc

1962
01:34:25,680 --> 01:34:26,360
Speaker 2: and doing shit.

1963
01:34:26,520 --> 01:34:30,040
Speaker 1: You know, I see mergers and acquisitions having all the time,

1964
01:34:30,200 --> 01:34:33,120
Speaker 1: like oh puff, daddy just bought a brand new alcohol thing.

1965
01:34:33,160 --> 01:34:35,759
Speaker 1: I'm like, man, they should have framed them in the media.

1966
01:34:37,360 --> 01:34:38,280
Speaker 3: That's not how that works.

1967
01:34:38,640 --> 01:34:44,439
Speaker 1: So I don't know. Hypocritical. Fox News attacks Kamala Harris

1968
01:34:44,479 --> 01:34:49,920
Speaker 1: for pre Memorial Day tweet. M M M, Kamala Harris?

1969
01:34:50,000 --> 01:34:53,320
Speaker 1: How dare you? How dare you? Kamala?

1970
01:34:53,560 --> 01:34:58,200
Speaker 2: Okay, this is what she tweeted for Memorial Day, enjoy

1971
01:34:58,320 --> 01:35:01,160
Speaker 2: the long weekend. The picture of her just smiling, looking

1972
01:35:01,240 --> 01:35:05,400
Speaker 2: all fine day weekend, still the best looking vice president

1973
01:35:05,479 --> 01:35:06,160
Speaker 2: we've ever had.

1974
01:35:06,280 --> 01:35:09,120
Speaker 1: Come on, it's not fair for her to flex on

1975
01:35:09,200 --> 01:35:11,120
Speaker 1: us like this. And you know what, Karen, I see

1976
01:35:11,160 --> 01:35:11,800
Speaker 1: what they're saying.

1977
01:35:12,280 --> 01:35:15,360
Speaker 2: This means she don't care about the soldiers, despite the

1978
01:35:15,400 --> 01:35:19,080
Speaker 2: fact that she stopped yesterday at the graves of John McCain,

1979
01:35:19,200 --> 01:35:22,639
Speaker 2: the put uh, you know, put flowers on there and stuff.

1980
01:35:22,720 --> 01:35:26,000
Speaker 2: But okay, so then Fox News of course picked up

1981
01:35:26,120 --> 01:35:30,000
Speaker 2: accurately on this and said disgusting disrespect. Vice President Kamala

1982
01:35:30,080 --> 01:35:33,560
Speaker 2: Harris a nice outrage over miss fire Memorial.

1983
01:35:33,200 --> 01:35:35,759
Speaker 1: Day tweet, and they put a picture looking very serious.

1984
01:35:37,240 --> 01:35:40,640
Speaker 1: I love this picture is like her smiling everything. And

1985
01:35:40,720 --> 01:35:45,240
Speaker 1: then this picture is look at this she mad, She

1986
01:35:45,360 --> 01:35:46,000
Speaker 1: coming to get you.

1987
01:35:46,560 --> 01:35:49,400
Speaker 2: Twenty two minutes later, they posted another tweet on Fox

1988
01:35:49,479 --> 01:35:55,479
Speaker 2: News channel, which was this, cheers Memorial Day weekend twenty

1989
01:35:55,560 --> 01:35:57,320
Speaker 2: twenty one cocktail trends.

1990
01:36:06,760 --> 01:36:12,879
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, y'all can't even take y'allself seriously.

1991
01:36:13,160 --> 01:36:17,760
Speaker 1: Keep in mind she posted hers before Memorial Day, like

1992
01:36:17,840 --> 01:36:18,320
Speaker 1: on Friday.

1993
01:36:18,479 --> 01:36:20,719
Speaker 3: Have a nice week long weekend they posted yesterday.

1994
01:36:21,080 --> 01:36:27,120
Speaker 1: They posted theirs yesterday and said, look at this shit, y'all. Okay,

1995
01:36:27,360 --> 01:36:30,320
Speaker 1: this is crazy. She wished y'all long weekend.

1996
01:36:30,439 --> 01:36:36,080
Speaker 2: Anyway, twenty one cocktails to drink this Memorial Day again

1997
01:36:36,600 --> 01:36:38,479
Speaker 2: owned a lord batch of that shit. Sound delicious. Might

1998
01:36:38,520 --> 01:36:42,560
Speaker 2: be racist and delicious, but it sounds delicious. Texas Democrats

1999
01:36:42,680 --> 01:36:45,360
Speaker 2: blocked restrictive voting bill by walking off the Florida the

2000
01:36:45,479 --> 01:36:47,360
Speaker 2: not the GOLP majority House of Quorn.

2001
01:36:47,760 --> 01:36:48,080
Speaker 3: Let's go.

2002
01:36:48,920 --> 01:36:51,360
Speaker 1: This is so like what they did.

2003
01:36:52,120 --> 01:36:53,840
Speaker 2: Thank you, Thank you for them, Thank you for the

2004
01:36:53,880 --> 01:36:56,080
Speaker 2: people that voted for them. But this shit is so

2005
01:36:56,240 --> 01:36:58,400
Speaker 2: scary that Texas was about to pass the.

2006
01:36:58,439 --> 01:37:01,840
Speaker 1: Most stringent vot voting restrictions in the nation.

2007
01:37:02,120 --> 01:37:04,120
Speaker 3: I heard that they was like, they was like, y'all,

2008
01:37:04,200 --> 01:37:05,880
Speaker 3: if they do this shit, people going, they're gonna make

2009
01:37:05,920 --> 01:37:07,120
Speaker 3: it literally impossible to vote.

2010
01:37:07,960 --> 01:37:10,400
Speaker 1: But they took a loss because.

2011
01:37:11,720 --> 01:37:13,840
Speaker 2: The exodus from the floor came at the Chris Turner,

2012
01:37:13,880 --> 01:37:16,439
Speaker 2: the House Democratic Chairman, sent instructure took colleagues at ten

2013
01:37:16,600 --> 01:37:20,479
Speaker 2: thirty five PM on a Sunday night. That's when they

2014
01:37:20,520 --> 01:37:21,880
Speaker 2: were going to do this vote. They had to get

2015
01:37:21,880 --> 01:37:25,760
Speaker 2: it in I think by midnight Central time, instructing them

2016
01:37:25,840 --> 01:37:29,120
Speaker 2: to exit the house. According to an image share with

2017
01:37:29,200 --> 01:37:31,720
Speaker 2: the Washington Post, members take your key and leave the

2018
01:37:31,800 --> 01:37:34,679
Speaker 2: chamber discreetly, he was said, referring that the key locks

2019
01:37:34,720 --> 01:37:36,160
Speaker 2: the voting mechanism on their desk.

2020
01:37:36,560 --> 01:37:39,400
Speaker 1: Do not go to the gallery, leave the building.

2021
01:37:40,320 --> 01:37:42,000
Speaker 2: We decided to come together and say we weren't going

2022
01:37:42,080 --> 01:37:45,439
Speaker 2: to take us at. Representative Jessica Gonzales in an interview

2023
01:37:45,680 --> 01:37:48,120
Speaker 2: after the walkout, adding that she objected to the measure

2024
01:37:48,400 --> 01:37:50,840
Speaker 2: content and the way it was crafted with no input

2025
01:37:50,880 --> 01:37:52,640
Speaker 2: from her side of the aisle. We needed to be

2026
01:37:52,680 --> 01:37:54,800
Speaker 2: a part of the process cutting us out completely. I mean,

2027
01:37:54,840 --> 01:37:57,720
Speaker 2: this law will affect every single voter in Texas. The

2028
01:37:57,800 --> 01:38:00,400
Speaker 2: Republican majority House took up the legislation at the Senate

2029
01:38:00,479 --> 01:38:04,960
Speaker 2: passed passed it in early Sunday, following a marathon overnight

2030
01:38:05,040 --> 01:38:08,240
Speaker 2: debate that stretched for more than seven hours. The measure

2031
01:38:08,640 --> 01:38:11,960
Speaker 2: mirror's other GOP back legislation approved in Georgia, Florida and

2032
01:38:12,040 --> 01:38:14,920
Speaker 2: other states. In a statement, Turner said that dozens of

2033
01:38:14,960 --> 01:38:17,559
Speaker 2: House Democrats were prepared against speeches objecting to the bill,

2034
01:38:17,880 --> 01:38:20,120
Speaker 2: but that it became obvious Republicans were going to cut

2035
01:38:20,120 --> 01:38:22,400
Speaker 2: off the bait to ram in their voter suppression legislation.

2036
01:38:22,560 --> 01:38:24,599
Speaker 2: At that point, we had no choice but to take

2037
01:38:24,640 --> 01:38:28,240
Speaker 2: extraordinary measures to protect our constituents and their right to vote.

2038
01:38:30,040 --> 01:38:33,760
Speaker 2: After the walkout, House Democrats assembled at a predominantly black

2039
01:38:33,840 --> 01:38:37,879
Speaker 2: church in Austin Mount Zion Fellowship Hall to speak the reporters.

2040
01:38:37,960 --> 01:38:41,040
Speaker 2: Staff members at SARAH leaders chose the location to highlight

2041
01:38:41,120 --> 01:38:43,400
Speaker 2: the party successful fight against the bill. They said were

2042
01:38:43,400 --> 01:38:46,640
Speaker 2: the targeted voters of color in particular. Yeah, I know,

2043
01:38:46,920 --> 01:38:49,640
Speaker 2: my man Larry Willmore says not to say that this

2044
01:38:49,800 --> 01:38:51,680
Speaker 2: is Jim Crow, but this is Jim Crow to me.

2045
01:38:52,280 --> 01:38:54,280
Speaker 2: I mean, I get the distinction, and I'm not trying

2046
01:38:54,280 --> 01:38:56,439
Speaker 2: to downplay what they did to our ancestors. That was

2047
01:38:56,479 --> 01:39:00,280
Speaker 2: a direct attack on people's blackness and black vine. But

2048
01:39:00,400 --> 01:39:04,920
Speaker 2: this is just a roundabout way of accomplishing the same thing. Like, no,

2049
01:39:05,000 --> 01:39:06,640
Speaker 2: they're not gonna come to your house and kill you

2050
01:39:06,760 --> 01:39:09,519
Speaker 2: for walking out and voting. So I definitely understand the distinction,

2051
01:39:09,680 --> 01:39:13,160
Speaker 2: but it's a distinction that doesn't I don't find much.

2052
01:39:14,800 --> 01:39:18,880
Speaker 1: Need to make you know what I mean. Like now,

2053
01:39:18,960 --> 01:39:21,439
Speaker 1: it's just the digital Jim Crow, the twenty twenty one

2054
01:39:21,560 --> 01:39:21,960
Speaker 1: Jim Crow.

2055
01:39:22,040 --> 01:39:24,640
Speaker 2: But it's the same intent, which is the scare and

2056
01:39:24,920 --> 01:39:28,000
Speaker 2: intimidate black voters and not allow black voters to vote,

2057
01:39:28,040 --> 01:39:30,920
Speaker 2: because they just can't target you directly by saying no blacks,

2058
01:39:31,240 --> 01:39:33,560
Speaker 2: but they can target everything around.

2059
01:39:33,280 --> 01:39:34,080
Speaker 7: It, right.

2060
01:39:34,280 --> 01:39:37,120
Speaker 3: And the thing that is so fucked up about this

2061
01:39:37,439 --> 01:39:40,439
Speaker 3: GOP loved them overnight votes. That's the bullshit they did

2062
01:39:40,520 --> 01:39:43,000
Speaker 3: here in North Carolina. They love that shit. You wake

2063
01:39:43,120 --> 01:39:45,000
Speaker 3: up at five or six or four am in the

2064
01:39:45,080 --> 01:39:46,880
Speaker 3: morning to get your ass up working here they don't

2065
01:39:46,960 --> 01:39:49,760
Speaker 3: vote for something overnight, But motherfuckers, we can't get y'all

2066
01:39:49,800 --> 01:39:51,680
Speaker 3: in here for the most simplest shit. You tell us

2067
01:39:51,760 --> 01:39:54,000
Speaker 3: that y'all got an extended weekend and y'all taking vote

2068
01:39:54,040 --> 01:39:56,639
Speaker 3: for a whole fucking month off, but yet you find

2069
01:39:56,720 --> 01:39:58,800
Speaker 3: the time to vote at fucking midnight when you know

2070
01:39:58,920 --> 01:40:01,559
Speaker 3: nobody's god damn in there, or y'all call a special

2071
01:40:01,640 --> 01:40:03,120
Speaker 3: session in the middle of the night where people got

2072
01:40:03,200 --> 01:40:05,920
Speaker 3: a rish and running their you know, half of them

2073
01:40:06,000 --> 01:40:08,479
Speaker 3: not gonna get it because they fucking sleep unless they

2074
01:40:08,520 --> 01:40:11,519
Speaker 3: have somebody like watching twenty four hours reading their emails

2075
01:40:11,560 --> 01:40:13,160
Speaker 3: and shit to get the person up to get them

2076
01:40:13,200 --> 01:40:16,160
Speaker 3: there in enough time. Y'all know this, Fuck them yeap.

2077
01:40:18,600 --> 01:40:21,360
Speaker 2: And Greg Abbott has vowed to say he will strip

2078
01:40:21,439 --> 01:40:24,839
Speaker 2: the state lawmakers of their pay and veto their budget

2079
01:40:24,920 --> 01:40:27,840
Speaker 2: at the Democrats abandoned their duty by walking out on

2080
01:40:27,880 --> 01:40:30,120
Speaker 2: the Voting Right bill, so because they didn't sit there

2081
01:40:30,160 --> 01:40:32,320
Speaker 2: and let him strip away the rights of their voters,

2082
01:40:32,600 --> 01:40:34,639
Speaker 2: which would have damned them, by the way as well,

2083
01:40:34,800 --> 01:40:38,479
Speaker 2: like it would have kept their constituents votes from counting

2084
01:40:38,600 --> 01:40:40,640
Speaker 2: as much as the should count, and it would have

2085
01:40:40,720 --> 01:40:43,040
Speaker 2: definitely probably caused some of them to lose their seats

2086
01:40:44,040 --> 01:40:45,600
Speaker 2: because they didn't go along with it.

2087
01:40:45,960 --> 01:40:48,400
Speaker 1: He's like now that's gonna be hell to pay.

2088
01:40:50,240 --> 01:40:54,519
Speaker 2: It then, right as he said, I will veto article

2089
01:40:54,600 --> 01:40:57,160
Speaker 2: ten of the budgets passed by the legislator. Article ten

2090
01:40:57,240 --> 01:41:00,160
Speaker 2: funds the legislative branch. No pay for those who are

2091
01:41:00,200 --> 01:41:02,880
Speaker 2: betting their responsibility. Stay tuned now. I don't know if

2092
01:41:02,920 --> 01:41:05,920
Speaker 2: he'll be able to do that, but where it's only Democrats,

2093
01:41:06,160 --> 01:41:09,160
Speaker 2: like some Republicans gonna get caught up in that too, and.

2094
01:41:09,320 --> 01:41:10,760
Speaker 3: We'll see how they respond. No No.

2095
01:41:11,960 --> 01:41:14,719
Speaker 2: Ted Crews also urged Texas legislators to hold a special

2096
01:41:14,800 --> 01:41:17,040
Speaker 2: session to pass the new bill which will protect the

2097
01:41:17,080 --> 01:41:20,560
Speaker 2: integrative of our elections and get around the scheming Democrats

2098
01:41:20,600 --> 01:41:21,120
Speaker 2: the bill known.

2099
01:41:22,200 --> 01:41:23,559
Speaker 1: Yeah they're scheming now.

2100
01:41:24,040 --> 01:41:25,960
Speaker 2: Like I said, y'all want to hold a midnight session

2101
01:41:26,000 --> 01:41:30,639
Speaker 2: on a Sunday, but the Democrats are scheming. Thank god,

2102
01:41:30,680 --> 01:41:33,360
Speaker 2: those Democrats were savvy and smart and fought the way

2103
01:41:33,400 --> 01:41:35,240
Speaker 2: they could because you know, they probably don't have the

2104
01:41:35,320 --> 01:41:36,719
Speaker 2: numbers to really stop that ship.

2105
01:41:37,680 --> 01:41:40,880
Speaker 1: If Texas keeps at it, you know, and they will

2106
01:41:41,000 --> 01:41:44,800
Speaker 1: keep at it. Let's see.

2107
01:41:45,160 --> 01:41:48,680
Speaker 2: Nicole Hannah Jones remember when I said either was either

2108
01:41:48,760 --> 01:41:51,479
Speaker 2: on the show when we went on three Guys on

2109
01:41:51,600 --> 01:41:55,040
Speaker 2: But I was like, everyone keeps treating this story when

2110
01:41:55,120 --> 01:41:58,360
Speaker 2: Nicolehanda Jones not getting tenured at North I must have said.

2111
01:41:58,160 --> 01:41:59,800
Speaker 3: It on here a you will cut.

2112
01:42:00,000 --> 01:42:02,799
Speaker 2: There's a story of like, look at this university uphosed

2113
01:42:02,840 --> 01:42:04,880
Speaker 2: to giving her tenure. It's like, that's not what happened.

2114
01:42:05,880 --> 01:42:08,439
Speaker 2: We're old enough to know, smart enough to know stop

2115
01:42:08,600 --> 01:42:11,680
Speaker 2: you know, once again, kind of that projecting, kind of

2116
01:42:11,720 --> 01:42:16,559
Speaker 2: that running off without the context. I was like, it's

2117
01:42:17,000 --> 01:42:19,800
Speaker 2: probably a small group of people who have found a

2118
01:42:19,880 --> 01:42:23,560
Speaker 2: way to stop this something that everybody else in the

2119
01:42:23,640 --> 01:42:26,400
Speaker 2: process of the university wanted, because it wouldn't have got

2120
01:42:26,439 --> 01:42:28,759
Speaker 2: to that point unless everybody else was on board.

2121
01:42:29,000 --> 01:42:29,360
Speaker 3: Correct.

2122
01:42:30,200 --> 01:42:34,040
Speaker 1: Turns out it was one die that makes sense Walter

2123
01:42:34,240 --> 01:42:35,200
Speaker 1: Hessman Junior.

2124
01:42:38,120 --> 01:42:40,000
Speaker 3: Somebody did some jounders and worked. It was like, hey,

2125
01:42:40,640 --> 01:42:43,960
Speaker 3: what what is happening. Somebody did some investigation. It was like,

2126
01:42:44,080 --> 01:42:47,040
Speaker 3: what really happened. That's what happened. Y'all can't just say no,

2127
01:42:47,160 --> 01:42:49,760
Speaker 3: because guess what, nobody knew who the fuck you were.

2128
01:42:50,120 --> 01:42:52,160
Speaker 3: You could have kept nobody knowing who the fuck you were.

2129
01:42:52,560 --> 01:42:54,840
Speaker 3: But because you did this and you made the university

2130
01:42:54,920 --> 01:42:58,360
Speaker 3: look bad, somebody fucking I guarantee you. Somebody asked, somebody

2131
01:42:58,479 --> 01:43:01,519
Speaker 3: leaked your name, sir. Nobody need to know who you were,

2132
01:43:01,640 --> 01:43:03,519
Speaker 3: but they know now because the way you voted.

2133
01:43:04,320 --> 01:43:08,599
Speaker 2: Yeah, Walter Hussman Junior, who's a mega donor. He gave

2134
01:43:09,200 --> 01:43:13,040
Speaker 2: twenty five million dollars to in twenty nineteen to the

2135
01:43:13,160 --> 01:43:14,880
Speaker 2: UNC Chapel Hill School of Journalism.

2136
01:43:15,760 --> 01:43:17,120
Speaker 1: His name went on the school.

2137
01:43:17,280 --> 01:43:20,000
Speaker 2: A statement of journalistic principles went up on the entry wall.

2138
01:43:20,479 --> 01:43:23,600
Speaker 2: He's a publisher the Arkansas Democrat, because that is a

2139
01:43:23,720 --> 01:43:28,560
Speaker 2: he's an evangelist, evangelist of old school objectivity and partiology

2140
01:43:28,640 --> 01:43:31,880
Speaker 2: means reporting, editing, delivering the news honestly, fairly, objectively, without

2141
01:43:31,920 --> 01:43:32,960
Speaker 2: personal opinion or bias.

2142
01:43:33,360 --> 01:43:36,880
Speaker 1: And like they went into like how much that's not.

2143
01:43:37,080 --> 01:43:40,760
Speaker 2: Really true, like how much he's really just conservative and

2144
01:43:40,920 --> 01:43:45,240
Speaker 2: so it's his papers, but they framed it as like

2145
01:43:45,479 --> 01:43:48,320
Speaker 2: he just doesn't think she's objective, and that's why he

2146
01:43:48,400 --> 01:43:49,519
Speaker 2: didn't want her to get tenure.

2147
01:43:49,840 --> 01:43:52,120
Speaker 3: Right, you said that to somebody actually did some real reporting.

2148
01:43:52,240 --> 01:43:54,200
Speaker 3: It was like no, no, no, no, let's find out

2149
01:43:54,240 --> 01:43:55,960
Speaker 3: why this shit didn't pass because it was such a

2150
01:43:56,040 --> 01:44:00,320
Speaker 3: fucking uproar and it Lindy had everybody in the academs

2151
01:44:00,360 --> 01:44:03,960
Speaker 3: fear of talking. Like everybody was like the fuck is

2152
01:44:04,040 --> 01:44:07,040
Speaker 3: this like? This is this normally design happened? This is

2153
01:44:07,080 --> 01:44:11,120
Speaker 3: some presidented like this doesn't make sense. Something's happened.

2154
01:44:11,920 --> 01:44:15,559
Speaker 2: He related his concerns to the university's top leaders, including

2155
01:44:15,560 --> 01:44:17,599
Speaker 2: at least one member of the UNC Chapel Hill Board

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Speaker 2: of Trustees. The Assembly obtained copies of the emails in

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Speaker 2: which he expresses concerns about Hannah Jones to David Ralf,

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Speaker 2: Vice Chancellor for University Development, Susan King, the dean of

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Speaker 2: husbmand School of Journalism and Media, and Chancellor Kevin goosquicks.

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Speaker 3: Cause you know what them dot ed used them shit

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01:44:34,479 --> 01:44:35,360
Speaker 3: stays on files.

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01:44:35,960 --> 01:44:40,080
Speaker 2: M m uh he's and he basically says, I worry

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01:44:40,080 --> 01:44:42,920
Speaker 2: about the controversy of tying the UNC Journalism School to

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01:44:43,000 --> 01:44:46,040
Speaker 2: the sixteen nineteen project. I found myself more in agreement

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Speaker 2: with polic serprise when the historians like James McPherson and

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01:44:48,920 --> 01:44:51,559
Speaker 2: Gordon Wood than I do the coll Henda Jones. These

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01:44:51,680 --> 01:44:54,320
Speaker 2: historians appear to me to be pushing to find the

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Speaker 2: true historical facts. Based on her own words, many will

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01:44:57,120 --> 01:44:59,280
Speaker 2: conclude she is trying to push an agenda, and they

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Speaker 2: will assume she manipulated historical facts and support it. If

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01:45:02,120 --> 01:45:04,120
Speaker 2: I if asked about it, I would have to be

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01:45:04,240 --> 01:45:06,000
Speaker 2: honest and saying I agree with the historians.

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01:45:06,320 --> 01:45:08,760
Speaker 1: So that was his one way, not not, y'all better

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01:45:08,840 --> 01:45:14,439
Speaker 1: not give her tenure? Yep. Keep in mind he's expressing

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01:45:14,520 --> 01:45:15,200
Speaker 1: bias right there.

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01:45:15,360 --> 01:45:18,200
Speaker 2: I agree with these other dudes, you know, the ones

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Speaker 2: that say the founding fathers are infallible, righteous men that

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01:45:21,760 --> 01:45:25,360
Speaker 2: you know, we should overlook their slave owner. And of

2179
01:45:25,479 --> 01:45:30,439
Speaker 2: course this country that was literally had genocide and slavery

2180
01:45:30,800 --> 01:45:32,280
Speaker 2: was not founded on those things at all.

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01:45:32,560 --> 01:45:36,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, And like you said, this one person made it

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01:45:36,240 --> 01:45:38,720
Speaker 3: look like the university said no. Even though it was

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01:45:38,760 --> 01:45:41,240
Speaker 3: this one person, it really made it let the university

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01:45:41,280 --> 01:45:45,840
Speaker 3: said no. So now everybody's looking at the university, which

2185
01:45:45,960 --> 01:45:47,760
Speaker 3: is they have the right to what y'all gonna do?

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01:45:48,560 --> 01:45:50,040
Speaker 1: Yep, what are you gonna do?

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01:45:50,439 --> 01:45:52,920
Speaker 3: Are you gonna go fuck him? Are you gonna give

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01:45:52,960 --> 01:45:55,640
Speaker 3: her tenure? Like? What are you gonna do? Like? If

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01:45:55,760 --> 01:45:58,160
Speaker 3: I am a donor to this university and a big

2190
01:45:58,240 --> 01:45:59,800
Speaker 3: donor and I don't agree with him, and I just

2191
01:46:00,000 --> 01:46:02,880
Speaker 3: agree with this, now I might decide, you know what,

2192
01:46:03,200 --> 01:46:05,200
Speaker 3: I might not want to donate my five hundred of men.

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01:46:05,360 --> 01:46:06,479
Speaker 3: I might not want to do that no more.

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Speaker 1: Maybe, But at the same time, it shouldn't even take that.

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01:46:10,880 --> 01:46:13,719
Speaker 2: But I know, but it shouldn't even take that because

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01:46:14,040 --> 01:46:15,800
Speaker 2: people with that kind of money might not agree with

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01:46:15,840 --> 01:46:17,000
Speaker 2: the sixteen nineteen project.

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Speaker 1: But the schools is the school right. My hope envision was, Oh, well,

2199
01:46:21,240 --> 01:46:24,080
Speaker 1: let me get to this September email. He wrote.

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01:46:25,600 --> 01:46:28,080
Speaker 2: That he took issue with her sixteen nineteen se on

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Speaker 2: the UN say on the country's post World War iiO

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01:46:30,080 --> 01:46:32,599
Speaker 2: struggle for civil rights, in which he wrote, she wrote,

2203
01:46:32,640 --> 01:46:35,479
Speaker 2: for the most part, black Americans fought back along, and

2204
01:46:35,600 --> 01:46:38,320
Speaker 2: he said, I think this claim detigrates the courageous efforts

2205
01:46:38,360 --> 01:46:40,599
Speaker 2: of many white Americans to address the sin of slavery

2206
01:46:40,600 --> 01:46:44,080
Speaker 2: and the racial injustices resulted after the Civil War. He

2207
01:46:44,280 --> 01:46:47,240
Speaker 2: listed white freedom writers and other whites who fought free equality,

2208
01:46:47,280 --> 01:46:50,640
Speaker 2: including journalists across the South. The email was sent to

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01:46:50,760 --> 01:46:53,320
Speaker 2: Rout and copied to Goskowitz and King.

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01:46:53,960 --> 01:46:56,280
Speaker 1: Long before the COHEADA. Jones won her polar surprise.

2211
01:46:56,360 --> 01:46:59,840
Speaker 2: He wrote, courageous white Southerners, risking their lives standing up

2212
01:46:59,880 --> 01:47:01,400
Speaker 2: for the rights of blacks were winning.

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01:47:01,160 --> 01:47:09,600
Speaker 1: Publish serprises too. Mm hmm. Despite that, King continued to

2214
01:47:09,640 --> 01:47:10,679
Speaker 1: pursue Hannah Jones.

2215
01:47:11,080 --> 01:47:14,880
Speaker 2: After a liftic faculty and the administrative process recommended tenure board,

2216
01:47:14,880 --> 01:47:18,200
Speaker 2: the trustees member Chuck Duckett raised questions and asked for

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01:47:18,280 --> 01:47:20,680
Speaker 2: more time to get answers. The university instead offered a

2218
01:47:20,760 --> 01:47:24,280
Speaker 2: five year fixed term appointment without tenure to Hannah Jones.

2219
01:47:25,439 --> 01:47:28,880
Speaker 2: So that's how they decided to keep the process going.

2220
01:47:29,040 --> 01:47:33,360
Speaker 2: Was basically like, Okay, so we can either let this

2221
01:47:33,479 --> 01:47:37,519
Speaker 2: man slow up the process and to see if we

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01:47:37,560 --> 01:47:39,680
Speaker 2: can get her tenure, but it's gonna take longer than

2223
01:47:40,080 --> 01:47:42,760
Speaker 2: we think do we want, or we can go ahead

2224
01:47:42,760 --> 01:47:44,439
Speaker 2: and just offer it to her without tenure, which of

2225
01:47:44,479 --> 01:47:45,519
Speaker 2: course is slapping the face.

2226
01:47:46,520 --> 01:47:47,200
Speaker 3: It's an insult.

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01:47:47,880 --> 01:47:56,599
Speaker 1: Yeah. So he did not address this when they brought

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01:47:56,640 --> 01:47:58,240
Speaker 1: it up to him. They were asked about it. If

2229
01:47:58,280 --> 01:48:00,680
Speaker 1: he was asked the interview, and he said that he

2230
01:48:00,760 --> 01:48:03,000
Speaker 1: considered himself a working journalist and was bound by his

2231
01:48:03,120 --> 01:48:04,439
Speaker 1: company's code of ethics.

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01:48:04,840 --> 01:48:08,639
Speaker 3: But Nida, you put on at dot ed u email

2233
01:48:08,680 --> 01:48:10,959
Speaker 3: address the bitch. We gonna know what you're talking about.

2234
01:48:10,800 --> 01:48:13,599
Speaker 2: The company's code of ethics, which prevents newsroom employees from

2235
01:48:13,640 --> 01:48:15,759
Speaker 2: taking size and contentions by ment matters.

2236
01:48:15,880 --> 01:48:17,519
Speaker 3: But you wrote the emails we see the emails. The

2237
01:48:17,600 --> 01:48:18,880
Speaker 3: fuck you talking about sir?

2238
01:48:19,720 --> 01:48:24,320
Speaker 1: Right? Yep, mm hmmm.

2239
01:48:26,680 --> 01:48:28,760
Speaker 2: He said he thought his comments to the university leaders

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01:48:28,800 --> 01:48:31,040
Speaker 2: were private and said he would not have made them publicly.

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01:48:31,680 --> 01:48:32,800
Speaker 1: So what the fuck do would matter?

2242
01:48:33,080 --> 01:48:33,280
Speaker 5: Right?

2243
01:48:34,160 --> 01:48:39,120
Speaker 2: Because you privately torpedoed her her career when we.

2244
01:48:39,160 --> 01:48:41,960
Speaker 3: Tell you why? Because he thought that he could hide

2245
01:48:42,600 --> 01:48:46,200
Speaker 3: like they always do and hide under ooh, we we

2246
01:48:46,280 --> 01:48:49,759
Speaker 3: didn't got to this, and nobody knows. It's the special donors,

2247
01:48:49,920 --> 01:48:52,360
Speaker 3: and he thought he was gonna hide up underneath. Nobody

2248
01:48:52,479 --> 01:48:54,680
Speaker 3: knows who the fuck they are. Somebody knows who these

2249
01:48:54,720 --> 01:48:55,160
Speaker 3: people are.

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Speaker 1: You're on the board.

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01:48:56,080 --> 01:48:57,919
Speaker 3: Somebody has to know that you're on these boards.

2252
01:48:58,160 --> 01:49:00,800
Speaker 2: He said he never met Hannah Jones but would like to.

2253
01:49:01,400 --> 01:49:03,920
Speaker 2: And they said a good question for her is how

2254
01:49:03,960 --> 01:49:06,760
Speaker 2: do you feel about these core values? I really don't

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01:49:06,800 --> 01:49:07,519
Speaker 2: know the answer to that.

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01:49:07,720 --> 01:49:09,120
Speaker 1: Well, you would think that maybe.

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01:49:09,000 --> 01:49:13,400
Speaker 2: Through the interview process, whoever interviewed her and talked with her,

2258
01:49:14,120 --> 01:49:17,880
Speaker 2: the people that you know at the school, they do

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01:49:18,120 --> 01:49:20,160
Speaker 2: know the answer to that, and they felt fine about

2260
01:49:20,200 --> 01:49:21,120
Speaker 2: her core values.

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01:49:23,360 --> 01:49:26,120
Speaker 1: It's just you, for some reason, you can't trust her

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01:49:26,160 --> 01:49:26,719
Speaker 1: core values.

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01:49:26,920 --> 01:49:30,000
Speaker 2: Just you, and that's enough to derail the whole process,

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01:49:30,120 --> 01:49:33,040
Speaker 2: one powerful white man because is able to do that,

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01:49:34,120 --> 01:49:36,519
Speaker 2: and not a whole whole, not a whole, the whole

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01:49:36,600 --> 01:49:38,599
Speaker 2: un C Chapel Hill got to take this l now

2267
01:49:38,640 --> 01:49:41,720
Speaker 2: because of him, people sitting on the whole university like

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01:49:41,880 --> 01:49:45,600
Speaker 2: everybody that said fuck her, and it's really him, right, But.

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01:49:45,760 --> 01:49:49,519
Speaker 3: As far as people are concerned, because they allowed it,

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01:49:50,000 --> 01:49:53,120
Speaker 3: it's a problem, Like they go, you allowed this bullshit,

2271
01:49:53,240 --> 01:49:56,160
Speaker 3: So you're accountable because you allowed you allowed one man

2272
01:49:56,240 --> 01:49:58,640
Speaker 3: to fuck the process up. Normally they sign off and

2273
01:49:58,680 --> 01:50:00,840
Speaker 3: they keep a truck and nobody get the fuck. But

2274
01:50:01,000 --> 01:50:04,920
Speaker 3: because he decided that he wanted to derail the whole show,

2275
01:50:06,000 --> 01:50:08,559
Speaker 3: now the university is holding the bag. And so now

2276
01:50:08,600 --> 01:50:10,360
Speaker 3: you have people mad, you have people upset, you have

2277
01:50:10,400 --> 01:50:13,080
Speaker 3: people boycott, you have people protesting, like and this is

2278
01:50:13,160 --> 01:50:16,040
Speaker 3: going to be for a while, uh in my opinion,

2279
01:50:16,680 --> 01:50:20,640
Speaker 3: until if she decides to do the tenure, if she

2280
01:50:20,760 --> 01:50:23,120
Speaker 3: doesn't decide to do your tenure, whatever her decision is,

2281
01:50:23,240 --> 01:50:25,880
Speaker 3: even if she leaves university, people are still going to

2282
01:50:25,920 --> 01:50:28,240
Speaker 3: be on asses. They're like, what happens when the next

2283
01:50:28,320 --> 01:50:29,880
Speaker 3: person does this and go up? You'll low is he

2284
01:50:29,960 --> 01:50:32,720
Speaker 3: gonna be the one to tell him no too? Yeah?

2285
01:50:32,760 --> 01:50:34,639
Speaker 1: Because like I was thinking, I was talking to Randolph

2286
01:50:34,640 --> 01:50:34,960
Speaker 1: on Twitter.

2287
01:50:35,120 --> 01:50:37,080
Speaker 2: I think he may have said something like this always

2288
01:50:38,360 --> 01:50:41,160
Speaker 2: happens or something like something like something like that, or

2289
01:50:41,160 --> 01:50:43,080
Speaker 2: because he was the one that putt that put it on.

2290
01:50:43,200 --> 01:50:45,560
Speaker 2: It was like when you were saying it was it

2291
01:50:45,880 --> 01:50:47,560
Speaker 2: really just take a small group, it was like, it

2292
01:50:47,680 --> 01:50:52,160
Speaker 2: really takes one man, and this is him. And he

2293
01:50:52,280 --> 01:50:55,360
Speaker 2: said something like, you know, they are like they always

2294
01:50:55,479 --> 01:50:56,360
Speaker 2: allowed this to happen.

2295
01:50:56,439 --> 01:50:57,120
Speaker 1: It's what he said.

2296
01:50:57,320 --> 01:51:00,320
Speaker 2: And I and I took it one step further and said,

2297
01:51:00,360 --> 01:51:03,760
Speaker 2: it's not that they always allowed us to happen, it's

2298
01:51:03,800 --> 01:51:05,080
Speaker 2: that they're never prepared.

2299
01:51:05,800 --> 01:51:07,000
Speaker 1: They always shure.

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01:51:07,080 --> 01:51:10,559
Speaker 2: That's what That's what bothers me is that it's still

2301
01:51:10,680 --> 01:51:14,360
Speaker 2: the benefit of the doubt that whiteness gets that would

2302
01:51:14,439 --> 01:51:17,479
Speaker 2: lead them to go, We were not prepared for one

2303
01:51:17,640 --> 01:51:21,080
Speaker 2: man to derail this whole fucking thing the university wanted.

2304
01:51:21,720 --> 01:51:23,000
Speaker 1: Just because he gave a lot of money.

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01:51:23,200 --> 01:51:25,360
Speaker 2: We like, we didn't have anything in place to be

2306
01:51:25,479 --> 01:51:27,600
Speaker 2: like yeah, but fuck you though we already did all this,

2307
01:51:28,840 --> 01:51:29,120
Speaker 2: you know what.

2308
01:51:29,160 --> 01:51:32,240
Speaker 1: I mean, like done, he said, and now we got

2309
01:51:32,320 --> 01:51:33,839
Speaker 1: to go through all this shit again.

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01:51:34,000 --> 01:51:37,680
Speaker 3: You know, Yeah, and the thing is okay. Twenty five

2311
01:51:37,720 --> 01:51:39,720
Speaker 3: million dollars one person is say, a lot of fucking money.

2312
01:51:39,760 --> 01:51:43,000
Speaker 3: Please don't get me wrong, but the bit the negative

2313
01:51:43,040 --> 01:51:47,120
Speaker 3: publicity and everybody talk about your university, not only here

2314
01:51:47,200 --> 01:51:49,320
Speaker 3: but around the world, and people from all over the

2315
01:51:49,360 --> 01:51:52,679
Speaker 3: world come to this prestigious university. You know, it could

2316
01:51:52,760 --> 01:51:54,960
Speaker 3: cause you more than the twenty five million dollars that

2317
01:51:55,040 --> 01:51:57,280
Speaker 3: he gives every year. Like, like from all of this,

2318
01:51:57,439 --> 01:51:59,720
Speaker 3: like you could lose a lot more money in the

2319
01:51:59,800 --> 01:52:03,000
Speaker 3: law on run from from from him making this decision.

2320
01:52:03,080 --> 01:52:05,320
Speaker 3: Like you say, it's funny how they always shook and

2321
01:52:05,439 --> 01:52:08,320
Speaker 3: shocked and don't have mechanisms in place to go. We

2322
01:52:08,400 --> 01:52:12,320
Speaker 3: don't really give a fuck. We voted, so yeah, we're

2323
01:52:12,360 --> 01:52:15,040
Speaker 3: gonna do this with or without you, Like, like, you

2324
01:52:15,080 --> 01:52:17,559
Speaker 3: should not have that much power, not trying funny as

2325
01:52:17,600 --> 01:52:20,439
Speaker 3: somebody who is not in the academic arena. You shouldn't

2326
01:52:20,479 --> 01:52:23,040
Speaker 3: have that much power. If it's got to you, you

2327
01:52:23,200 --> 01:52:24,120
Speaker 3: just sign off on it.

2328
01:52:25,200 --> 01:52:31,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, And now they're saying she's weighing a lawsuit against the.

2329
01:52:33,320 --> 01:52:38,080
Speaker 3: University, so hold them account But yeah, because this is why, okay,

2330
01:52:38,520 --> 01:52:41,479
Speaker 3: why and if this one may hold up your process

2331
01:52:41,600 --> 01:52:44,479
Speaker 3: and not and not only I don't know what's gonna happen.

2332
01:52:44,479 --> 01:52:47,760
Speaker 3: But I hope this sets a precedent for other universities

2333
01:52:47,800 --> 01:52:50,479
Speaker 3: to go, hey, we got the same structure. We can't

2334
01:52:50,520 --> 01:52:52,920
Speaker 3: give these people this power because guess what, U and

2335
01:52:53,080 --> 01:52:56,000
Speaker 3: C is an example of the rest of y'all motherfuckers

2336
01:52:56,040 --> 01:52:58,760
Speaker 3: can be like this too. If y'all have somebody in

2337
01:52:58,840 --> 01:53:00,760
Speaker 3: y'all university and it don't have to be black. Does

2338
01:53:00,840 --> 01:53:04,160
Speaker 3: somebody talking about some history that these white folks don't like?

2339
01:53:04,560 --> 01:53:08,040
Speaker 3: With this money, y'all gonna be on some insagrams screen. Also,

2340
01:53:08,320 --> 01:53:09,960
Speaker 3: what are you gonna do when it's your turn?

2341
01:53:10,560 --> 01:53:13,280
Speaker 2: I had no desire to bring turmoil or political firestorm

2342
01:53:13,280 --> 01:53:15,960
Speaker 2: into the university that I love, but I'm obligated to

2343
01:53:16,040 --> 01:53:19,200
Speaker 2: fight back against a wave of antidemocratic suppression that seeks

2344
01:53:19,200 --> 01:53:22,240
Speaker 2: to prohibit the free exchange for ideas, silence black voices,

2345
01:53:22,280 --> 01:53:26,599
Speaker 2: and chill free speech. Her legal team includes attorneys from

2346
01:53:26,840 --> 01:53:29,960
Speaker 2: Levi Rattner PC and Ferguson Chambers and Son to PA

2347
01:53:30,120 --> 01:53:33,000
Speaker 2: and the NAACP Legal Defense and Educational Fund.

2348
01:53:34,000 --> 01:53:35,080
Speaker 1: So, yeah, man, they.

2349
01:53:35,000 --> 01:53:36,760
Speaker 2: Fuck with the wrong one, They're gonna see her in court,

2350
01:53:38,479 --> 01:53:41,320
Speaker 2: you know. And it's just like I said, It's like

2351
01:53:41,400 --> 01:53:44,519
Speaker 2: they're never fucking prepared to beat for this. They're always

2352
01:53:45,479 --> 01:53:46,680
Speaker 2: like caught off guard by.

2353
01:53:46,720 --> 01:53:48,840
Speaker 1: Like, oh shit, this is gonna be a whole thing now.

2354
01:53:48,880 --> 01:53:50,719
Speaker 1: It's like, yes, y'all.

2355
01:53:50,560 --> 01:53:53,639
Speaker 2: Didn't see this coming, and everybody else can see this coming.

2356
01:53:53,680 --> 01:53:55,439
Speaker 2: You could I could have told you this could happen

2357
01:53:55,479 --> 01:53:57,320
Speaker 2: from the time that you were like, we're interested in

2358
01:53:57,439 --> 01:53:59,719
Speaker 2: having her, I would have been like, well, in this process,

2359
01:53:59,760 --> 01:54:01,440
Speaker 2: you need to be prepared for some pushback.

2360
01:54:02,960 --> 01:54:03,400
Speaker 5: Mm hmm.

2361
01:54:03,680 --> 01:54:07,840
Speaker 3: Yeah. And like you say, every other large university ain't

2362
01:54:07,840 --> 01:54:10,240
Speaker 3: even small, are gonna be looking. They're gonna look at

2363
01:54:10,280 --> 01:54:12,760
Speaker 3: this lawsuit. They're gonna see what happens. They like like

2364
01:54:12,880 --> 01:54:15,559
Speaker 3: they're gonna be paying attention. Guarantee, you wouldn't be surprising

2365
01:54:15,560 --> 01:54:17,439
Speaker 3: if somebody else they're gonna pass it, pass it, past it.

2366
01:54:17,479 --> 01:54:19,120
Speaker 3: Because we don't want no bullshit. We don't gna fuck

2367
01:54:19,200 --> 01:54:21,160
Speaker 3: just sign the papers. We'll give a fuck. Did you

2368
01:54:21,240 --> 01:54:23,360
Speaker 3: think it's racist? We don't want to. We don't want

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Speaker 3: the scrutiny and everything else that comes along with this

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Speaker 3: because you being fucking racist.

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Speaker 2: Because the tenures protection to keep doing the work she's doing,

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Speaker 2: and the work she's doing is very controversial to in

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Speaker 2: a racial racist country, because she is shaking the very

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Speaker 2: foundations of the myths and the lives that we purpose,

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Speaker 2: that we perpetuate throughout this country.

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Speaker 7: You know.

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Speaker 1: And the truth is the one thing they're afraid of.

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Speaker 3: Come on more than anything, right, because it gives you powering.

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Speaker 3: They don't want you to have the power and the

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Speaker 3: power knowledge.

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Speaker 1: Why agains quoe unquote critical race theory and shit?

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Speaker 2: You know because two TV shows did an episode about

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Speaker 2: Tulsa and now motherfucking Joe Biden a year later is

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Speaker 2: talking addressing it on the on the at the White House.

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Speaker 2: You know what I mean, Like, that's the power of

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Speaker 2: the narratives. That's the power of these voices and these stories,

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Speaker 2: you know. So I you know, that's why they're afraid

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Speaker 2: of her talking. One woman have all that power. All right,

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Speaker 2: let's wrap this up. We've been talking for a while.

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Speaker 1: Sored ratchingness. H h, that's right, sored ratchingess.

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Speaker 2: Time when we talk about the people and uh, the

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Speaker 2: swords throughout the world that are out here unregulated causing

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Speaker 2: all kinds of heavy you know, brother own, brother, sister owned, sister, familis,

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Speaker 2: you know, just neighbor on neighbor violence and in this case.

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Speaker 2: We're talking about a man in New Hampshire who chased

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Speaker 2: his neighbor with the sword because he was asked to.

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Speaker 1: Lower his music.

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Speaker 4: Manchester Police say a forty seven year old man grabbed

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Speaker 4: a sword and chased after his neighbor after being told

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Speaker 4: to turn down his music. Officer say the neighbor knocked

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Speaker 4: on Benjamin Leyland's door on Elm Street Monday evening. Leyland

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Speaker 4: then apparently grabbed a two and a half foot sword.

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Speaker 4: The neighbor got away and no one was injured. Leyland

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Speaker 4: is now charged with criminal threatening.

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Speaker 7: Ka D.

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Speaker 4: Johnston for CBS Boston.

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Speaker 1: You must have heard Kyrie Irvan was in town, right,

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Speaker 1: Can you cut that music down?

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Speaker 2: Or I got your cut down bitch and just put

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Speaker 2: out the the sword and yes he was white.

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Speaker 3: All right, y'all, got yall cut up.

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Speaker 1: Well, we'll be back tomorrow. Thanks for listening.

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Speaker 2: We'll appreciate y'all. I hope y'all like this very pop

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Speaker 2: culture heavy episode. I didn't even get the coronavirus news

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Speaker 2: or any of the segments. We just talked about random

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Speaker 2: shit on this Memorial Day. Maybe we'll do this more often,

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Speaker 2: but I hope you enjoyed it. If not well, we'll

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Speaker 2: try again tomorrow. Until then, I love you.