1 00:00:05,000 --> 00:00:08,200 Speaker 1: Talk to your zoom h six about crack cocaine abuse. 2 00:00:08,440 --> 00:00:11,200 Speaker 1: Some amount of crack cocaine is perfectly normal for recording 3 00:00:11,200 --> 00:00:14,040 Speaker 1: device you to use. It is part of the recording industry. 4 00:00:14,560 --> 00:00:16,960 Speaker 1: But everyone can overdo it. And if your zoom h 5 00:00:17,000 --> 00:00:20,439 Speaker 1: six starts not reading cards, or for example, stealing from 6 00:00:20,440 --> 00:00:22,920 Speaker 1: you in ordered upon your stuff to buy more crack cocaine, 7 00:00:23,200 --> 00:00:25,640 Speaker 1: you might need to do an intervention. This has been 8 00:00:25,720 --> 00:00:29,040 Speaker 1: Robert Evans and a public service announcement about the zoom 9 00:00:29,200 --> 00:00:33,680 Speaker 1: h six handhold recorder. How's that? Are we good? Is 10 00:00:33,720 --> 00:00:38,080 Speaker 1: that a good way to introduce a podcast? What depends answer? 11 00:00:38,960 --> 00:00:42,199 Speaker 1: That's a great question, Sophie. Scholars have debated for decades 12 00:00:42,240 --> 00:00:45,760 Speaker 1: which show this is. But personally it is the opinion 13 00:00:45,760 --> 00:00:49,680 Speaker 1: of myself, uh and a large body of researchers at 14 00:00:49,680 --> 00:00:52,040 Speaker 1: Oxford and Cambridge that this is. It could happen here 15 00:00:52,440 --> 00:00:54,680 Speaker 1: a podcast about how things are falling apart and how 16 00:00:54,720 --> 00:00:58,120 Speaker 1: maybe put them back together. One of these days figured out. 17 00:00:58,960 --> 00:01:00,760 Speaker 1: I'm here with Garrison and Chris. How are you guys? 18 00:01:00,760 --> 00:01:06,399 Speaker 1: How how are y'all doing? Just just absolutely splendid. I'm 19 00:01:06,440 --> 00:01:09,440 Speaker 1: extremely excited that every time I leave twitters a new 20 00:01:09,480 --> 00:01:13,319 Speaker 1: mass shooting. There's there was, Like this has been weekend. 21 00:01:15,000 --> 00:01:16,760 Speaker 1: There have been quite a few mass shootings in the 22 00:01:16,800 --> 00:01:19,680 Speaker 1: last forty eight hours, and there's a non zero chance 23 00:01:19,680 --> 00:01:22,840 Speaker 1: there's been at least one between when we record this 24 00:01:22,880 --> 00:01:25,800 Speaker 1: podcast and when you listen to it. I'm not trying 25 00:01:25,840 --> 00:01:29,400 Speaker 1: to be flippant. That's just a reality. UM. So I 26 00:01:29,400 --> 00:01:31,520 Speaker 1: think we're going to talk about the two most recent ones, 27 00:01:31,600 --> 00:01:34,920 Speaker 1: one of which UM was the mass shooting in Buffalo, 28 00:01:34,959 --> 00:01:41,800 Speaker 1: New York by a four chan motherfucking white supremacist very 29 00:01:41,880 --> 00:01:45,039 Speaker 1: much patterned after the twenty nineteen eight Chan shootings, particularly 30 00:01:45,080 --> 00:01:48,639 Speaker 1: the christ Church massacre UM. And then the day after. 31 00:01:49,400 --> 00:01:51,320 Speaker 1: I guess it's not technically a mass shooting because only 32 00:01:51,360 --> 00:01:53,920 Speaker 1: one person was killed, thankfully, UM. But there was a 33 00:01:53,960 --> 00:01:56,320 Speaker 1: shooting that was certainly an attempt to be a mass 34 00:01:56,320 --> 00:01:58,480 Speaker 1: shooting because he attempted to close the exit and stop 35 00:01:58,480 --> 00:02:02,520 Speaker 1: people from leaving at a a Taiwanese church UM in 36 00:02:02,600 --> 00:02:07,080 Speaker 1: southern California, UM, which was stopped by the congregation before 37 00:02:07,560 --> 00:02:10,440 Speaker 1: nearly as many people could get killed. UM. It appears 38 00:02:10,480 --> 00:02:15,600 Speaker 1: to be it's just come out UM, motivated by nationalist 39 00:02:16,240 --> 00:02:20,960 Speaker 1: hatred of Taiwan by a Chinese man UM. That's the 40 00:02:21,480 --> 00:02:26,480 Speaker 1: broad understanding of both. Its complicated. Yeah, I'm sure we'll 41 00:02:26,480 --> 00:02:32,240 Speaker 1: get into that, but we should probably deal with them chronologically. UM. 42 00:02:32,320 --> 00:02:37,040 Speaker 1: The Buffalo shooting is it's one of those things I 43 00:02:37,120 --> 00:02:40,880 Speaker 1: made a big chunk of my bones as a journalist 44 00:02:40,919 --> 00:02:42,680 Speaker 1: in the field that I used to spend most of 45 00:02:42,680 --> 00:02:46,280 Speaker 1: my time reporting and covering the eight Chan shootings, and 46 00:02:46,840 --> 00:02:48,800 Speaker 1: after every one of those in twenty nineteen, I had 47 00:02:48,840 --> 00:02:51,640 Speaker 1: an article within about two hours. I haven't written anything 48 00:02:51,680 --> 00:02:54,200 Speaker 1: about this one. I don't plan to because there's not 49 00:02:54,320 --> 00:02:58,040 Speaker 1: much to say. It is what we've seen before. UM. 50 00:02:58,080 --> 00:02:59,840 Speaker 1: I know there's some debate over how much of the 51 00:02:59,840 --> 00:03:01,480 Speaker 1: man and as there should be over like how much 52 00:03:01,480 --> 00:03:03,239 Speaker 1: of the manifesto you can take at face value, which 53 00:03:03,280 --> 00:03:05,519 Speaker 1: is none of it, um, and as to whether or 54 00:03:05,560 --> 00:03:08,040 Speaker 1: not there might be something more going on here. But 55 00:03:08,720 --> 00:03:11,120 Speaker 1: it is kind of my opinion from the information we have, 56 00:03:11,280 --> 00:03:14,320 Speaker 1: that this is the kind of attack we've seen before 57 00:03:14,320 --> 00:03:16,240 Speaker 1: and the kind of attack we will probably see again 58 00:03:16,240 --> 00:03:18,519 Speaker 1: more than once before the years over. You know, this 59 00:03:18,600 --> 00:03:25,600 Speaker 1: is someone who was radicalized primarily against uh the immigration 60 00:03:25,919 --> 00:03:28,600 Speaker 1: or the existence really of people who are not white 61 00:03:28,800 --> 00:03:32,119 Speaker 1: in the United States, um and believes that the best 62 00:03:32,160 --> 00:03:35,760 Speaker 1: way to cleanse the country of people who are not 63 00:03:35,840 --> 00:03:38,680 Speaker 1: white is to carry out mass shootings that will radicalize 64 00:03:38,680 --> 00:03:42,200 Speaker 1: other people and that will lead further to the breakdown 65 00:03:42,320 --> 00:03:45,040 Speaker 1: of civil society in the United States by pushing it 66 00:03:45,160 --> 00:03:48,920 Speaker 1: kind of like hot button issues like gun control, um, 67 00:03:49,000 --> 00:03:51,920 Speaker 1: in order to further you know, it's an accelerationist sort 68 00:03:51,920 --> 00:03:56,360 Speaker 1: of attack. UM. So yeah, that's that's what I'm seeing here. Yep. 69 00:03:56,800 --> 00:04:00,000 Speaker 1: I mean it's yeah, like like we said, it's very 70 00:04:00,560 --> 00:04:03,680 Speaker 1: very much riffing off of christ Church. I mean, at 71 00:04:03,760 --> 00:04:11,080 Speaker 1: least over half of his manifesto was like specifically rich manifesto, which, 72 00:04:11,080 --> 00:04:13,520 Speaker 1: of course that manifesto itself was was ripped from a 73 00:04:13,560 --> 00:04:15,840 Speaker 1: lot of other manifestos. It's kind of this just a 74 00:04:15,880 --> 00:04:21,160 Speaker 1: series of like launching the medic language from one shooting 75 00:04:21,160 --> 00:04:24,360 Speaker 1: to another, just kind of compiling into this massive conglomerate 76 00:04:25,080 --> 00:04:27,880 Speaker 1: that's all based on trying to convince more people to 77 00:04:27,920 --> 00:04:30,960 Speaker 1: do the same act. Um. That's really that's that's why 78 00:04:31,040 --> 00:04:33,440 Speaker 1: when people are like talking about this and people try 79 00:04:33,480 --> 00:04:36,600 Speaker 1: to limit the attention on the manifestos and that kind 80 00:04:36,600 --> 00:04:38,960 Speaker 1: of stuff, because it's it's all crafted specifically to get 81 00:04:39,440 --> 00:04:42,279 Speaker 1: other people to do the exact same thing. Um, it's 82 00:04:42,320 --> 00:04:45,360 Speaker 1: it's filled with themes, filmed with filled filled with in jokes, 83 00:04:45,400 --> 00:04:48,039 Speaker 1: full of like in grip up group stuff to convince 84 00:04:48,080 --> 00:04:49,760 Speaker 1: people to kind of go down a similar path, and 85 00:04:49,800 --> 00:04:52,120 Speaker 1: all of it's carefully crafted that way. The one really 86 00:04:52,160 --> 00:04:55,159 Speaker 1: interesting thing about this is that there's not only manifesto 87 00:04:55,240 --> 00:04:58,000 Speaker 1: but also like unless seven hundred pages of diaries that 88 00:04:58,040 --> 00:05:01,200 Speaker 1: he posted as well, um and dogs from from like 89 00:05:01,320 --> 00:05:04,480 Speaker 1: over like like like from a long, long long time, 90 00:05:05,560 --> 00:05:09,120 Speaker 1: tracking his inner thoughts. But also like again, he posted 91 00:05:09,160 --> 00:05:10,680 Speaker 1: it and he knew he was gonna do this. There's 92 00:05:10,720 --> 00:05:13,760 Speaker 1: no telling how how accurate that is. It's all it's 93 00:05:13,760 --> 00:05:16,120 Speaker 1: all in this package that he wants to present to people. 94 00:05:16,760 --> 00:05:18,520 Speaker 1: So a lot of the navy gritty are is not 95 00:05:18,560 --> 00:05:20,160 Speaker 1: even worth talking about in a lot of a lot 96 00:05:20,200 --> 00:05:24,640 Speaker 1: of cases. No, and I'm not I think there's broadly speaking, 97 00:05:24,920 --> 00:05:26,960 Speaker 1: things you can learn. And I'm also to be clear, 98 00:05:26,960 --> 00:05:30,159 Speaker 1: I'm not against researchers studying, and I think it should 99 00:05:30,160 --> 00:05:33,200 Speaker 1: be absolutely I am against just finding a thing in 100 00:05:33,240 --> 00:05:35,520 Speaker 1: there and like posting it. Like when I when I 101 00:05:35,560 --> 00:05:38,440 Speaker 1: made my post, I was pretty careful to note a 102 00:05:38,440 --> 00:05:41,359 Speaker 1: couple of things that seemed consistent based on other aspects 103 00:05:41,360 --> 00:05:44,080 Speaker 1: of the like things that he claimed about his radicalization 104 00:05:44,080 --> 00:05:46,400 Speaker 1: that seemed consistent with what we were seeing. Like he 105 00:05:46,480 --> 00:05:49,840 Speaker 1: noted that he was primarily radicalized online. That seems plausible 106 00:05:49,839 --> 00:05:54,160 Speaker 1: to me because of how fucking online the manifesto is. Um. Like, 107 00:05:54,560 --> 00:05:57,560 Speaker 1: and and it's one of those folks are not entirely 108 00:05:57,560 --> 00:06:00,599 Speaker 1: wrongfully bringing up the fact that the great Placement white 109 00:06:00,640 --> 00:06:04,000 Speaker 1: genocide sort of conspiracy theory that seems to have motivated 110 00:06:04,040 --> 00:06:07,120 Speaker 1: this fellow is basically identical to Ship Tucker Carlson says, 111 00:06:07,279 --> 00:06:10,720 Speaker 1: that's not not that's that's not what radicalized him though, 112 00:06:10,880 --> 00:06:13,760 Speaker 1: But that's not what radicalized Yes, this is not a 113 00:06:13,839 --> 00:06:16,360 Speaker 1: dude who was watching Fox right. That's something I've been 114 00:06:16,400 --> 00:06:19,720 Speaker 1: frustrated by looking at the discourse because yes, obviously Tucker 115 00:06:19,760 --> 00:06:22,359 Speaker 1: shouldn't be talking about this because he's normalizing this very 116 00:06:22,560 --> 00:06:25,760 Speaker 1: rhetoric that you find in these manifestos. But he did. 117 00:06:26,360 --> 00:06:28,320 Speaker 1: He did not find this from Tucker. This is like 118 00:06:28,360 --> 00:06:32,040 Speaker 1: it's it's it's a whole whole different ball game. Um. 119 00:06:32,080 --> 00:06:33,760 Speaker 1: And when there's that conflation, I do find it to 120 00:06:33,760 --> 00:06:37,560 Speaker 1: be slightly frustrating. Yeah, And some of the problem with 121 00:06:37,640 --> 00:06:41,840 Speaker 1: discussing this is the problem with discussing basically any of 122 00:06:41,880 --> 00:06:45,720 Speaker 1: these attacks is that the mass media coverage of it 123 00:06:45,760 --> 00:06:48,560 Speaker 1: is nearly always going to flatten it to a degree 124 00:06:48,560 --> 00:06:51,440 Speaker 1: that works in the favor of the people who are 125 00:06:51,560 --> 00:06:55,800 Speaker 1: using this as propaganda of the deed. Yeah, and we 126 00:06:55,839 --> 00:06:58,480 Speaker 1: can talk about maybe are there ways to detern that, 127 00:06:58,800 --> 00:07:01,680 Speaker 1: you know, I've definitely that's something that I've spent a 128 00:07:01,720 --> 00:07:04,719 Speaker 1: decent amount of my career kind of struggling with. It's 129 00:07:04,760 --> 00:07:09,880 Speaker 1: it's a tough thing to do because, um, one of 130 00:07:09,920 --> 00:07:11,920 Speaker 1: the things that's very frustrating that we've we've seen in 131 00:07:11,920 --> 00:07:13,320 Speaker 1: the wake of this attack, and that we see in 132 00:07:13,360 --> 00:07:17,960 Speaker 1: the wake of basically every politically motivated attack is a 133 00:07:18,000 --> 00:07:20,880 Speaker 1: whole bunch of people from a whole different bunch of 134 00:07:20,920 --> 00:07:25,720 Speaker 1: belief systems insides immediately trying to spin it in order 135 00:07:25,840 --> 00:07:29,520 Speaker 1: to push the narrative they think is useful for the 136 00:07:29,560 --> 00:07:32,240 Speaker 1: attack to have, and some of them believe legitimately what 137 00:07:32,320 --> 00:07:33,880 Speaker 1: they're saying. Like the folks, I think most of the 138 00:07:33,920 --> 00:07:36,240 Speaker 1: people who are like this is you know, Tucker Carlson's 139 00:07:36,280 --> 00:07:38,960 Speaker 1: doing are generally just folks who have not spent as 140 00:07:39,040 --> 00:07:41,880 Speaker 1: much time in the fever swamps as we have and 141 00:07:42,120 --> 00:07:44,280 Speaker 1: see oh, Tucker Carlson's talking about this, this this get carried 142 00:07:44,280 --> 00:07:45,880 Speaker 1: out of shooting. They must be related, right. I don't 143 00:07:45,880 --> 00:07:48,600 Speaker 1: think that's like, that's wrong, but I don't think that's malicious. 144 00:07:48,640 --> 00:07:51,120 Speaker 1: And then you get folks who are malicious with it, right, 145 00:07:51,160 --> 00:07:55,280 Speaker 1: like you have the folks right. One of the one 146 00:07:55,280 --> 00:07:58,520 Speaker 1: of the narratives we've seen form, particularly from what I 147 00:07:58,560 --> 00:08:01,560 Speaker 1: like to call the ship head left, Um, is folks 148 00:08:01,600 --> 00:08:03,680 Speaker 1: being like, well there was a san and Rod the 149 00:08:03,760 --> 00:08:07,680 Speaker 1: black Sun. It's a Nazi a culty symbol. People who 150 00:08:07,680 --> 00:08:09,560 Speaker 1: are more nerds about Nazis we even equipped that. But 151 00:08:09,600 --> 00:08:12,040 Speaker 1: that's that's the broad strokes of what it is. Um. 152 00:08:12,120 --> 00:08:14,280 Speaker 1: And it's it's a symbol that's definitely on some as 153 00:08:14,320 --> 00:08:16,480 Speaker 1: off gear. It's also on a has been on a 154 00:08:16,520 --> 00:08:20,400 Speaker 1: bunch of ship well before there was an since it's 155 00:08:20,440 --> 00:08:23,960 Speaker 1: all over the place. And um, the reason he did it, 156 00:08:24,000 --> 00:08:26,120 Speaker 1: the reason he had a black son on some ship 157 00:08:26,600 --> 00:08:30,320 Speaker 1: was not because of the azof Battalion um it. In fact, 158 00:08:30,400 --> 00:08:32,400 Speaker 1: he talked about wanting to break up NATO a bunch, 159 00:08:33,120 --> 00:08:34,920 Speaker 1: but it was because the san and Rad was on 160 00:08:34,960 --> 00:08:38,960 Speaker 1: the chest of the plate carrier of the christ Schurt shooter. Yes, 161 00:08:39,520 --> 00:08:40,960 Speaker 1: but there's all, he's a big fan of the christ 162 00:08:41,000 --> 00:08:43,920 Speaker 1: Church shooter. There's all of these people who are like, yeah, 163 00:08:44,040 --> 00:08:47,640 Speaker 1: authoritarian left or whatever who are being like, oh, how 164 00:08:47,679 --> 00:08:52,960 Speaker 1: can Americans condemn this attack when this guy is using 165 00:08:53,080 --> 00:08:56,400 Speaker 1: as of imagery and there there's no telling how genuine 166 00:08:56,400 --> 00:08:58,120 Speaker 1: they are with this, Like, there's there's no telling if 167 00:08:58,120 --> 00:09:01,160 Speaker 1: if they actually know what they're doing, or if they're 168 00:09:01,200 --> 00:09:04,760 Speaker 1: just or if they're just being like if they're purposely misinformed, 169 00:09:04,840 --> 00:09:06,640 Speaker 1: or what's going on. It's like he doesn't mind, it 170 00:09:06,679 --> 00:09:13,760 Speaker 1: doesn't matter. But yeah, my my assumption with those folks 171 00:09:13,880 --> 00:09:16,480 Speaker 1: is that they are doing it because if you are 172 00:09:17,480 --> 00:09:21,880 Speaker 1: a competent, paid propagandist, you want to always be pushing 173 00:09:21,920 --> 00:09:24,320 Speaker 1: the narrative in a way that furthers whatever it is 174 00:09:24,360 --> 00:09:28,160 Speaker 1: your job to push. And if your job is connecting 175 00:09:28,280 --> 00:09:31,080 Speaker 1: Ukraine to every bad thing that happens, and a mass 176 00:09:31,120 --> 00:09:34,400 Speaker 1: shooting that has nothing to fucking do with with Ukraine 177 00:09:34,480 --> 00:09:38,320 Speaker 1: or the Ukrainian government, um, if you can connect it 178 00:09:38,360 --> 00:09:40,760 Speaker 1: back to them, then you're back in your wheelhouse, right, 179 00:09:40,800 --> 00:09:43,160 Speaker 1: Because maybe you're not so strong talking about the fact 180 00:09:43,200 --> 00:09:45,320 Speaker 1: that you and some of the people around you have 181 00:09:45,360 --> 00:09:48,480 Speaker 1: been friendly with fucking Tucker Carlson. Uh, and he pushes 182 00:09:48,480 --> 00:09:50,600 Speaker 1: a similar narrative to the one this mass shooter used. 183 00:09:50,600 --> 00:09:53,320 Speaker 1: Maybe that's uncomfortable. What is comfortable is saying, no, this 184 00:09:53,360 --> 00:09:55,840 Speaker 1: guy who did this bad thing is tied to these 185 00:09:55,840 --> 00:09:58,480 Speaker 1: other bad people who are tied to this group, that 186 00:09:58,600 --> 00:10:01,160 Speaker 1: my entire career is about attack sacking. That's a much 187 00:10:01,200 --> 00:10:04,280 Speaker 1: stronger position to be in, you know, if you're you know, 188 00:10:04,360 --> 00:10:07,320 Speaker 1: a propagandist. It's just like you see folks on the 189 00:10:07,400 --> 00:10:09,040 Speaker 1: right who don't want to grapple with the fact that 190 00:10:09,080 --> 00:10:10,560 Speaker 1: this was a right wing or who carried out a 191 00:10:10,600 --> 00:10:14,280 Speaker 1: terrorist attack based on an ideology that even motherfucking Ben 192 00:10:14,280 --> 00:10:17,240 Speaker 1: Shapiro has pushed elements of. Um, you don't want to 193 00:10:17,280 --> 00:10:19,480 Speaker 1: deal with that, So you call him a leftist because 194 00:10:19,600 --> 00:10:21,640 Speaker 1: we saw the same thing with christ Turn He could Yeah, 195 00:10:21,679 --> 00:10:23,760 Speaker 1: he made a couple of vague he's not a leftist. 196 00:10:23,800 --> 00:10:26,640 Speaker 1: He repeatedly identified himself as right wing and as a fascist, 197 00:10:26,720 --> 00:10:31,440 Speaker 1: as a Nazi, UM, as an ethno nationalist, UM. But 198 00:10:31,600 --> 00:10:34,240 Speaker 1: he made like a couple of vague comments that they're 199 00:10:34,240 --> 00:10:36,000 Speaker 1: taking out of context and being like, see, he was 200 00:10:36,000 --> 00:10:38,400 Speaker 1: on the left. What she wanted to happen, that what 201 00:10:38,520 --> 00:10:40,320 Speaker 1: she wanted to happen. That's why he put it in there. Right, 202 00:10:40,640 --> 00:10:42,839 Speaker 1: It's like it is like it is all part of 203 00:10:42,840 --> 00:10:45,680 Speaker 1: the bit. It's all this, it's it's it's it's all 204 00:10:45,720 --> 00:10:48,480 Speaker 1: of this, like like irony poisoned thing that they do 205 00:10:48,520 --> 00:10:51,480 Speaker 1: on purpose to give any one a propaganda out or 206 00:10:51,480 --> 00:10:55,360 Speaker 1: give anyone a propaganda it's all Yeah, if you'll remember 207 00:10:55,440 --> 00:10:57,959 Speaker 1: it before, it's not it's not new, but it's frustrating. Yeah. 208 00:10:58,040 --> 00:11:02,000 Speaker 1: In the christ Church Manifesto, arrant Um said that he'd 209 00:11:02,000 --> 00:11:05,719 Speaker 1: been radicalized by Candice Owens, who's like a person who 210 00:11:05,720 --> 00:11:07,199 Speaker 1: says a bunch of shitty, fucked up stuff. I don't 211 00:11:07,200 --> 00:11:09,160 Speaker 1: like Candace Owens, but like had nothing to do with 212 00:11:09,160 --> 00:11:11,800 Speaker 1: that guy's radicalization, right, Like that's not that's not where 213 00:11:11,840 --> 00:11:14,520 Speaker 1: he's fucking coming from. Um. But he did it because 214 00:11:14,520 --> 00:11:16,680 Speaker 1: he wanted to, because because it's fucking it's ship posting, 215 00:11:16,679 --> 00:11:18,240 Speaker 1: you know. It's to muddy the water. It's to get 216 00:11:18,280 --> 00:11:23,439 Speaker 1: people like it's too it's to reduce the ability of 217 00:11:23,559 --> 00:11:27,320 Speaker 1: people trying to grapple with what has happened, to accurately 218 00:11:27,480 --> 00:11:30,920 Speaker 1: see what has happened and accurately identify the problem and 219 00:11:30,960 --> 00:11:32,920 Speaker 1: respond to a big, big motive for the stuff is 220 00:11:32,960 --> 00:11:36,719 Speaker 1: to cause this kind of social and discourse chaos. Right. 221 00:11:36,920 --> 00:11:40,280 Speaker 1: They want people, they want everyone to be confused, and 222 00:11:40,280 --> 00:11:43,200 Speaker 1: they want everyone to be fighting each other and distance 223 00:11:43,400 --> 00:11:45,800 Speaker 1: agreeing on basic terms. Right. The whole, the whole point 224 00:11:45,800 --> 00:11:48,679 Speaker 1: of this is to encourage gun control legislation, which we'll 225 00:11:48,679 --> 00:11:50,160 Speaker 1: get the right match, to cause people be to be 226 00:11:50,200 --> 00:11:52,760 Speaker 1: more willing to do mass shootings or to do a 227 00:11:52,840 --> 00:11:54,640 Speaker 1: tax against government. Right. It's it's it's all part of 228 00:11:54,679 --> 00:12:01,240 Speaker 1: the very basic accelerationist like talking points and tactics, and 229 00:12:01,400 --> 00:12:04,080 Speaker 1: the confusion is not accidental, it's all. It's it's all. 230 00:12:04,720 --> 00:12:07,040 Speaker 1: If you, I think a good way to look at this, 231 00:12:07,200 --> 00:12:10,840 Speaker 1: if you like fighter planes and helicopters in a combat 232 00:12:10,960 --> 00:12:14,640 Speaker 1: zone will have a type of countermeasure they will launch 233 00:12:14,640 --> 00:12:17,280 Speaker 1: if someone shooting a missile that's like a tracking missile, 234 00:12:17,280 --> 00:12:19,800 Speaker 1: heat seeking or whatever at them. It's called chaff, and 235 00:12:19,840 --> 00:12:23,319 Speaker 1: it basically it looks to the missile the same as 236 00:12:23,320 --> 00:12:25,280 Speaker 1: a helicopter does. So you shoot a bunch of these 237 00:12:25,320 --> 00:12:27,400 Speaker 1: out and the missile goes and hits something that's not 238 00:12:27,440 --> 00:12:30,120 Speaker 1: the fucking helicopter, but to its sensors looks like a helicopter. 239 00:12:30,440 --> 00:12:32,880 Speaker 1: That's what they're doing. They're shooting out chaff. They're getting 240 00:12:32,880 --> 00:12:37,560 Speaker 1: you to like about box with shadows rather than potentially 241 00:12:37,679 --> 00:12:40,160 Speaker 1: landing a blow against like the central problem. And the 242 00:12:40,160 --> 00:12:44,600 Speaker 1: central problem is not an easy one to grapple with 243 00:12:44,600 --> 00:12:47,120 Speaker 1: without all that stuff around it, right, because the the 244 00:12:47,200 --> 00:12:51,880 Speaker 1: issue here is how the way in which the Internet 245 00:12:52,000 --> 00:12:55,960 Speaker 1: enables radicalization, the way in which online communities are prone 246 00:12:56,000 --> 00:13:01,720 Speaker 1: to radicalization, UM, the way in which uh, the conservative 247 00:13:01,760 --> 00:13:06,640 Speaker 1: media and aspects of like just basic American history play 248 00:13:06,760 --> 00:13:10,680 Speaker 1: into this specific people who want to do violence in 249 00:13:10,720 --> 00:13:13,320 Speaker 1: this way for this reason, um, which is why the 250 00:13:13,360 --> 00:13:15,880 Speaker 1: cops don't notice them even when they're on their radar, 251 00:13:15,960 --> 00:13:20,840 Speaker 1: which is why that like the warning signs don't get spotted. Um. 252 00:13:20,880 --> 00:13:25,160 Speaker 1: And the ways in which, I think, more than anything, 253 00:13:25,720 --> 00:13:29,560 Speaker 1: the ways in which the Internet has created a perfect 254 00:13:29,600 --> 00:13:33,199 Speaker 1: incubation chamber for radical violence. And that is one of 255 00:13:33,240 --> 00:13:36,160 Speaker 1: the stories here, right. Um. You know people are focusing 256 00:13:36,200 --> 00:13:39,240 Speaker 1: on gun control, um, which this guy bought his gun 257 00:13:39,240 --> 00:13:40,600 Speaker 1: in the state of New York, which has the most 258 00:13:40,640 --> 00:13:44,920 Speaker 1: restrictive gun laws in the country. UM. Was more relevant 259 00:13:44,920 --> 00:13:47,080 Speaker 1: even if you're on that end, is this guy was 260 00:13:47,360 --> 00:13:50,559 Speaker 1: deeply involved in like tactical Reddit. This guy was heavily 261 00:13:50,600 --> 00:13:53,400 Speaker 1: involved in in tactical videos and training videos, in talking 262 00:13:53,440 --> 00:13:56,000 Speaker 1: with other people about the best weapons, the best ways 263 00:13:56,040 --> 00:13:58,559 Speaker 1: to use them, and if you watch the I don't 264 00:13:58,559 --> 00:14:04,559 Speaker 1: watch the video. But he was competent, he engaged, competently, 265 00:14:04,720 --> 00:14:07,600 Speaker 1: he did, he maximized his ability to do damage. He 266 00:14:07,640 --> 00:14:10,800 Speaker 1: took out somebody, um with a gun who was attempting 267 00:14:10,800 --> 00:14:14,000 Speaker 1: to stop him. Um, that ship, the stuff that he 268 00:14:14,040 --> 00:14:18,720 Speaker 1: did to prepare tactically worked. And the kind of tactical 269 00:14:19,320 --> 00:14:22,200 Speaker 1: chunks of of of reddit of the internet which are 270 00:14:22,240 --> 00:14:23,840 Speaker 1: not all right wing, but a hell of a lot 271 00:14:23,880 --> 00:14:25,000 Speaker 1: of them are, and a hell of a lot of 272 00:14:25,040 --> 00:14:27,240 Speaker 1: them have gone in very scary directions in the last 273 00:14:27,240 --> 00:14:30,640 Speaker 1: couple of years. Um. Not only do I suspect contributed 274 00:14:30,680 --> 00:14:34,200 Speaker 1: to his radicalization, but I can say certainly contributed to 275 00:14:34,280 --> 00:14:37,280 Speaker 1: his ability to effectively kill people. Yeah. I mean, he 276 00:14:37,320 --> 00:14:40,040 Speaker 1: had like over five pages just on what helmet he 277 00:14:40,160 --> 00:14:42,600 Speaker 1: picked out. He had pages on what socks he was wearing, 278 00:14:42,680 --> 00:14:45,240 Speaker 1: which is not which is for multiple reasons. It's one 279 00:14:45,560 --> 00:14:48,160 Speaker 1: to make the actual act more effective. It's two to 280 00:14:48,280 --> 00:14:51,560 Speaker 1: inspire not like discourse like this, but also to to 281 00:14:51,600 --> 00:14:54,160 Speaker 1: get people to replicate what he did. Right, It's crafting 282 00:14:54,200 --> 00:14:56,520 Speaker 1: all of these symbols that people like. Oh he picked 283 00:14:56,520 --> 00:14:58,920 Speaker 1: out these socks. I mean, I'm gonna these socks. I'm 284 00:14:58,920 --> 00:15:00,640 Speaker 1: going to get these socks. And it's it's it's all 285 00:15:00,720 --> 00:15:02,920 Speaker 1: this branding thing. Um, we should take we should take 286 00:15:02,920 --> 00:15:04,400 Speaker 1: a break, and then I want to come back and 287 00:15:04,440 --> 00:15:07,680 Speaker 1: talk about some ME medic language stuff. You know who 288 00:15:07,760 --> 00:15:12,040 Speaker 1: else can give you good advice on socks? Oh all right, 289 00:15:12,080 --> 00:15:24,960 Speaker 1: here's ads Okay, Um, I want to talk about some 290 00:15:25,600 --> 00:15:29,000 Speaker 1: ME medic language stuff because this was all heavily riffing 291 00:15:29,360 --> 00:15:32,000 Speaker 1: and I specifically you use the term riffing um off 292 00:15:32,080 --> 00:15:34,880 Speaker 1: of the christ Church shooting, which itself was riffing with 293 00:15:35,040 --> 00:15:37,200 Speaker 1: other stuff, right, but he went so far. I mean 294 00:15:37,200 --> 00:15:39,760 Speaker 1: the christ Church shooting was a copycat shooting of the 295 00:15:40,120 --> 00:15:43,120 Speaker 1: anders Bredvik shooting, or at least descendant of whatever term 296 00:15:43,160 --> 00:15:45,120 Speaker 1: you want to use. But that's what inspired the christ 297 00:15:45,160 --> 00:15:49,800 Speaker 1: Church shooting. And it's I mean, he was for for 298 00:15:49,840 --> 00:15:53,440 Speaker 1: the Buffalo shooting. He was testing on different live streaming platforms. 299 00:15:53,440 --> 00:15:55,520 Speaker 1: He was doing all the stuff to craft a very 300 00:15:55,560 --> 00:15:58,640 Speaker 1: specific image, and like images are very very very powerful. 301 00:15:58,640 --> 00:16:00,680 Speaker 1: We've talked about like me magic. But if we want 302 00:16:00,720 --> 00:16:03,280 Speaker 1: to get silly about it. Um. But he was very 303 00:16:03,360 --> 00:16:06,320 Speaker 1: very much involved in crafting these things that could be 304 00:16:06,320 --> 00:16:10,400 Speaker 1: replicated visually. Um. That's that's why he wanted to live stream. 305 00:16:10,400 --> 00:16:12,920 Speaker 1: It's so bad. It's that he just the same way, 306 00:16:12,960 --> 00:16:16,240 Speaker 1: the same way of christ Church was. And this is 307 00:16:16,280 --> 00:16:19,000 Speaker 1: like really important for why we don't share this type 308 00:16:19,000 --> 00:16:21,920 Speaker 1: of stuff and why we why we specifically clamped down 309 00:16:22,520 --> 00:16:26,200 Speaker 1: on this, on this, on this style of propaganda, and 310 00:16:26,240 --> 00:16:28,240 Speaker 1: why we really encourage people not to share it, not 311 00:16:28,280 --> 00:16:29,920 Speaker 1: to look at it, not to do that stuff. Because 312 00:16:30,320 --> 00:16:32,720 Speaker 1: he he does in a few parts of the manifest 313 00:16:32,840 --> 00:16:35,160 Speaker 1: that he did right, Um, he does. He didn't say 314 00:16:35,200 --> 00:16:37,680 Speaker 1: like watching the christ Church video was very impactful for him, 315 00:16:37,800 --> 00:16:40,680 Speaker 1: which I don't disagree with. I'm sure, I'm sure it was. 316 00:16:40,720 --> 00:16:44,520 Speaker 1: He he did change, he even and he did great 317 00:16:44,560 --> 00:16:48,200 Speaker 1: links to recreate um. And this is why we people 318 00:16:48,240 --> 00:16:50,720 Speaker 1: who are like researchers and people who kind of hand 319 00:16:50,800 --> 00:16:54,080 Speaker 1: try to handle this kind of stuff um in like 320 00:16:54,400 --> 00:16:58,080 Speaker 1: in their time on Earth, Uh, are so particular about this. 321 00:16:58,200 --> 00:17:00,240 Speaker 1: Like a thing last year, like a year and a 322 00:17:00,280 --> 00:17:03,640 Speaker 1: half ago, there was this film company based in New 323 00:17:03,720 --> 00:17:07,200 Speaker 1: Zealand who wanted to make a christ Church film. Uh. 324 00:17:07,240 --> 00:17:09,520 Speaker 1: And they want they were going to film a recreation 325 00:17:09,520 --> 00:17:11,320 Speaker 1: of the shooting, but they said, like, oh, but it's 326 00:17:11,359 --> 00:17:14,520 Speaker 1: too to show the horror and to show the impact 327 00:17:14,640 --> 00:17:17,000 Speaker 1: hit on the victims doesn't fucking matter. It matter, It 328 00:17:17,040 --> 00:17:20,960 Speaker 1: matters zero amount, because once you put that language into cinematography, 329 00:17:21,200 --> 00:17:24,720 Speaker 1: you are giving them basically ammunition to help create propaganda 330 00:17:24,760 --> 00:17:26,879 Speaker 1: and will get more more people killed. This is why 331 00:17:26,960 --> 00:17:29,320 Speaker 1: the same thing we see the same thing on fucking 332 00:17:29,440 --> 00:17:32,720 Speaker 1: um roadblocks, we see people recreate the christ Church shooting 333 00:17:32,760 --> 00:17:34,960 Speaker 1: on roadblocks. There was actually a major problem like a 334 00:17:35,040 --> 00:17:37,600 Speaker 1: year ago. Specifically, it was a huge problem of people 335 00:17:37,640 --> 00:17:42,440 Speaker 1: recreating the footage inside this game engine. And it's it's specifically, 336 00:17:42,560 --> 00:17:46,119 Speaker 1: it's it's very it's a very powerful tool that they 337 00:17:46,200 --> 00:17:49,359 Speaker 1: used to spread around. It's targeted specifically people ages twelve 338 00:17:49,400 --> 00:17:52,760 Speaker 1: to eighteen. This this guy was eighteen years old. Um, 339 00:17:52,800 --> 00:17:55,199 Speaker 1: it's he was heavily involved in online gaming. He was 340 00:17:55,640 --> 00:17:59,879 Speaker 1: really heavy Reddit user, specifically, um he loved discord. So 341 00:18:00,240 --> 00:18:02,680 Speaker 1: it's these are the places where where it spreads even 342 00:18:02,720 --> 00:18:05,960 Speaker 1: more so than now to Yeah, and I would say, 343 00:18:06,160 --> 00:18:07,840 Speaker 1: we know and that called him like a four chance 344 00:18:07,840 --> 00:18:10,399 Speaker 1: shooter because number one he definitely was familiar with with 345 00:18:10,440 --> 00:18:13,400 Speaker 1: Pole and number was there, he announced his livestream there. 346 00:18:13,600 --> 00:18:15,439 Speaker 1: I do agree with you read it was a bigger 347 00:18:15,720 --> 00:18:18,360 Speaker 1: part of his radicalization. I suspect, and in a lot 348 00:18:18,359 --> 00:18:21,600 Speaker 1: of and Discord probably, and I suspect he did purposefully 349 00:18:21,680 --> 00:18:25,680 Speaker 1: minimize the extent to which conversations on discord were part 350 00:18:25,720 --> 00:18:28,840 Speaker 1: of his radicalization journey in particular, that would be my 351 00:18:28,880 --> 00:18:32,199 Speaker 1: assumption at the moment. But for countering this type of rhetoric, 352 00:18:32,240 --> 00:18:34,440 Speaker 1: in this type of propaganda, right, because they're they're trying 353 00:18:34,440 --> 00:18:36,560 Speaker 1: to make themselves look cool, They're trying to make themselves 354 00:18:36,560 --> 00:18:38,880 Speaker 1: look tactical. They're trying to look they're trying to make 355 00:18:38,920 --> 00:18:41,359 Speaker 1: themselves they look like they're in a video game. They 356 00:18:41,359 --> 00:18:42,720 Speaker 1: make it look like they're in a movie. Right, They're 357 00:18:42,720 --> 00:18:44,879 Speaker 1: trying to be cinematic. He was, he was testing on 358 00:18:44,920 --> 00:18:47,560 Speaker 1: different cameras. Um he tested like a go pro. He 359 00:18:47,560 --> 00:18:49,560 Speaker 1: just said, he test out his phone camera, right, trying 360 00:18:49,560 --> 00:18:52,000 Speaker 1: to get this specific look. And then we just we 361 00:18:52,080 --> 00:18:55,560 Speaker 1: just talked about how he was tactically proficient in some ways, 362 00:18:55,960 --> 00:18:59,480 Speaker 1: but in handling this type of thing, we have to 363 00:19:00,440 --> 00:19:03,240 Speaker 1: when we're crafting counter stuff to make this, to make 364 00:19:03,280 --> 00:19:06,679 Speaker 1: this thing less likely, we need to not even focus 365 00:19:06,720 --> 00:19:08,800 Speaker 1: on that we need to make them look stupid, make 366 00:19:08,840 --> 00:19:11,959 Speaker 1: them look juvenile, make them look like they're pathetic, make 367 00:19:12,000 --> 00:19:14,440 Speaker 1: them look like they're stupid and silly, like they're Larper's. 368 00:19:14,760 --> 00:19:18,440 Speaker 1: That's one of the things that saved god knows how 369 00:19:18,480 --> 00:19:20,919 Speaker 1: many lives at kind of the high point of the 370 00:19:20,920 --> 00:19:23,960 Speaker 1: eight Chance shootings in nineteen was that fucker in Hall, 371 00:19:24,040 --> 00:19:27,640 Speaker 1: Germany tried to carry one out and got the piss 372 00:19:27,680 --> 00:19:30,040 Speaker 1: beat out of him by a dude at a mosque 373 00:19:30,280 --> 00:19:33,439 Speaker 1: um and was photographed the next day in court just covered. 374 00:19:33,480 --> 00:19:38,160 Speaker 1: It's like beat two ship um. That image probably saved 375 00:19:38,200 --> 00:19:41,040 Speaker 1: some lives. They want to be cool, they want to 376 00:19:41,040 --> 00:19:43,119 Speaker 1: be mamdic, they want to be spread around as a symbol, 377 00:19:43,760 --> 00:19:48,560 Speaker 1: and we need, like culturally, need to. Yes, this is 378 00:19:48,560 --> 00:19:51,040 Speaker 1: obviously very scarce, this is a very real threat for 379 00:19:51,080 --> 00:19:54,119 Speaker 1: many for many people, many people of color, many black people, 380 00:19:54,160 --> 00:19:58,159 Speaker 1: many many Muslims, people of different religions, Jewish people, queer people. 381 00:19:58,560 --> 00:20:01,919 Speaker 1: But we need to when when specifically crafting rhetoric and 382 00:20:01,920 --> 00:20:06,240 Speaker 1: propaganda against these things, we need to make them look pathetic, 383 00:20:06,320 --> 00:20:08,920 Speaker 1: right that that that's what it needs to be framed as, 384 00:20:08,960 --> 00:20:11,800 Speaker 1: because if you make them look scary and competent, that's 385 00:20:11,840 --> 00:20:15,800 Speaker 1: actually gonna make these things worse because they love that, right, 386 00:20:15,840 --> 00:20:18,320 Speaker 1: Like as if you film the Christ, if you do 387 00:20:18,359 --> 00:20:21,399 Speaker 1: any kind of like movie about the Christ shooting, no 388 00:20:21,440 --> 00:20:23,520 Speaker 1: matter how you shoot it, they're gonna love it. If 389 00:20:23,680 --> 00:20:25,840 Speaker 1: you're shooting people in pain, they they want that. They 390 00:20:25,920 --> 00:20:28,840 Speaker 1: want that. It's that's that's what they're looking for. You 391 00:20:28,880 --> 00:20:32,159 Speaker 1: need to specifically frame this as these people larning and 392 00:20:32,160 --> 00:20:37,200 Speaker 1: these people being pathetic and people being terminally online um 393 00:20:37,240 --> 00:20:39,040 Speaker 1: and having bad social skills like you need, you need. 394 00:20:39,119 --> 00:20:41,440 Speaker 1: You need to frame it in this way that makes 395 00:20:41,480 --> 00:20:44,480 Speaker 1: them look not desirable because their whole point is to 396 00:20:44,520 --> 00:20:49,680 Speaker 1: craft is desirable and visually stunning propaganda. Um. And I think, yeah, 397 00:20:49,720 --> 00:20:52,399 Speaker 1: that's that's that's I've been thinking about this for the 398 00:20:52,440 --> 00:20:56,280 Speaker 1: past because it's just been so much. But like I 399 00:20:56,560 --> 00:20:59,120 Speaker 1: identify these people, isn't the problem? Right? Like this guy 400 00:20:59,640 --> 00:21:02,159 Speaker 1: he is he was talked to you by by counselors 401 00:21:02,240 --> 00:21:04,240 Speaker 1: last year because they were for he was gonna do 402 00:21:04,280 --> 00:21:07,159 Speaker 1: a school shooting. Um, Like there was a lot of 403 00:21:07,200 --> 00:21:09,440 Speaker 1: the red flags and stuff, and like he was, he 404 00:21:09,480 --> 00:21:11,160 Speaker 1: was taught, he was talked to you by people before 405 00:21:11,160 --> 00:21:14,280 Speaker 1: this happened. Like he wasn't an unknown factor. He wasn't 406 00:21:14,320 --> 00:21:17,120 Speaker 1: an unknown of the vector to make to make this, 407 00:21:17,240 --> 00:21:19,040 Speaker 1: to make you know, to be this a person that 408 00:21:19,080 --> 00:21:23,520 Speaker 1: couldn't do this, But there's there's no way. People are 409 00:21:23,600 --> 00:21:27,080 Speaker 1: very People are good at finding these people before they 410 00:21:27,080 --> 00:21:30,120 Speaker 1: do it, but we're bad at actually stopping them from 411 00:21:30,119 --> 00:21:32,960 Speaker 1: doing it once we found Once we find them, uh, 412 00:21:33,000 --> 00:21:35,679 Speaker 1: there's there's really no power to stop it. Um and 413 00:21:35,800 --> 00:21:40,040 Speaker 1: interrupting any kind of radicalization pipeline, it's really hard. So 414 00:21:40,080 --> 00:21:42,480 Speaker 1: it's more about laying the groundwork to make the pipeline 415 00:21:42,680 --> 00:21:46,560 Speaker 1: look pathetic so it's harder to happen again. But always 416 00:21:46,600 --> 00:21:50,520 Speaker 1: counting this stuff is frustrating because if there was a 417 00:21:50,520 --> 00:21:53,919 Speaker 1: good strategy, we wouldn't be here. B be deeply I 418 00:21:53,960 --> 00:21:57,480 Speaker 1: want to move on to the Yeah, it's time to California, 419 00:21:57,600 --> 00:21:59,680 Speaker 1: but at the at the end of this to close out, 420 00:22:00,320 --> 00:22:05,359 Speaker 1: be deeply suspicious, if not outright contemptuous, of anyone who 421 00:22:05,400 --> 00:22:08,840 Speaker 1: posits a simple solution to these shootings, whether that solution 422 00:22:09,040 --> 00:22:13,080 Speaker 1: is gun control, whether it's expanded police powers, whether it's 423 00:22:13,200 --> 00:22:16,399 Speaker 1: fucking arming everybody so that they can shoot shooters. Anyone 424 00:22:16,400 --> 00:22:19,359 Speaker 1: who proposes a simple solution this, this is a deeply 425 00:22:19,440 --> 00:22:24,800 Speaker 1: complicated problem. UM, because we let a number of horrible, horrible, 426 00:22:24,880 --> 00:22:27,960 Speaker 1: obvious problems go on for way too long, and the 427 00:22:28,080 --> 00:22:32,280 Speaker 1: solution to this will be painfully agonizingly difficult and will 428 00:22:32,320 --> 00:22:35,960 Speaker 1: take time, and there is there is not a simple, 429 00:22:36,280 --> 00:22:40,720 Speaker 1: all encompassing way to deal with this. UM. One of 430 00:22:40,760 --> 00:22:43,160 Speaker 1: the things that you can do right now to better 431 00:22:43,240 --> 00:22:46,000 Speaker 1: prepare yourself to potentially deal with this problem is take 432 00:22:46,040 --> 00:22:49,119 Speaker 1: a stop the bleed course, carry an iPad I fact 433 00:22:49,200 --> 00:22:52,240 Speaker 1: and a gunshot wound kit UM as often as possible. 434 00:22:52,359 --> 00:22:56,560 Speaker 1: And that continues to be my best immediate advice to people, UM, 435 00:22:56,600 --> 00:23:00,399 Speaker 1: because that there's no downsides to doing that and it 436 00:23:00,800 --> 00:23:03,119 Speaker 1: could and does save lives and other shootings. All right, 437 00:23:03,200 --> 00:23:15,720 Speaker 1: let's move on in other news. In other news, the 438 00:23:15,800 --> 00:23:24,320 Speaker 1: next shooting. Yeah, hooray, Yeah, Okay, this is a weird one, UM. 439 00:23:24,720 --> 00:23:28,879 Speaker 1: And I think the thing we need to make clear 440 00:23:28,960 --> 00:23:33,520 Speaker 1: of front is that this happened yesterday. UM A recording 441 00:23:33,640 --> 00:23:36,600 Speaker 1: still don't yeah a time of recording. Details are still emerging, 442 00:23:38,280 --> 00:23:43,359 Speaker 1: and it's weird. There's a lot of potential to so 443 00:23:43,440 --> 00:23:47,760 Speaker 1: so for people who don't know. UM. A Presbyterian church 444 00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:52,280 Speaker 1: in California was attacked by a Chinese guy. This is 445 00:23:52,359 --> 00:23:55,320 Speaker 1: this is a time when East Church, um, it's mostly 446 00:23:55,640 --> 00:24:00,639 Speaker 1: senior citizens. And okay, so there there's there's a few 447 00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:04,520 Speaker 1: important things up fronts that people should probably understand about. 448 00:24:04,560 --> 00:24:07,720 Speaker 1: This one is that, okay, so Taiwan. Taiwan is ruled 449 00:24:07,720 --> 00:24:11,320 Speaker 1: by military digctatorship, but for like basically the better part 450 00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:13,520 Speaker 1: of the post World War two period, it is ruled 451 00:24:13,520 --> 00:24:15,919 Speaker 1: by military dictatorship run by the Nationalist Party of the 452 00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:20,880 Speaker 1: cam T. The cam T is extraordinary in this period. 453 00:24:20,920 --> 00:24:25,880 Speaker 1: It is extraordinarily violent. They they assassinate people all over 454 00:24:25,920 --> 00:24:28,640 Speaker 1: the place. They kill people on American soil, They killed 455 00:24:28,680 --> 00:24:32,639 Speaker 1: they trained death squads in Latin America, and you know, 456 00:24:32,760 --> 00:24:35,400 Speaker 1: they're they're they're known for the sort of humanity communism, 457 00:24:35,480 --> 00:24:41,600 Speaker 1: but eventually they're sort of toppled by revolution isn't quite 458 00:24:41,600 --> 00:24:44,959 Speaker 1: the right word. But as you know, the CAMPT as 459 00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:46,560 Speaker 1: a party is still around today and is one of 460 00:24:46,600 --> 00:24:49,960 Speaker 1: the two sort of major like so many political parties, 461 00:24:50,119 --> 00:24:53,080 Speaker 1: but they're not like the sort of desk they're not 462 00:24:53,160 --> 00:24:55,320 Speaker 1: exactly the sort of dest squad mafia party that they 463 00:24:55,359 --> 00:25:00,680 Speaker 1: were through most of the twentieth century. Um the sort 464 00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:03,359 Speaker 1: of the sort of progressive forces that work to overthrow 465 00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:06,840 Speaker 1: the dictatorship, a lot of them coalesced into a party 466 00:25:06,840 --> 00:25:10,600 Speaker 1: called the d d P. And one of the things 467 00:25:10,600 --> 00:25:13,320 Speaker 1: about the d DP is and there's a lot of 468 00:25:13,320 --> 00:25:16,000 Speaker 1: sort of complicated town these political stuff here, but they 469 00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:18,720 Speaker 1: are very very closely connect connected to the Presbyterian Church 470 00:25:19,400 --> 00:25:22,720 Speaker 1: in a lot of ways. And this I don't know 471 00:25:22,760 --> 00:25:26,080 Speaker 1: the specifics about this church, but there is there is 472 00:25:26,119 --> 00:25:28,639 Speaker 1: a very strong connection between and then the d d 473 00:25:28,800 --> 00:25:34,320 Speaker 1: P are Okay, pro independence is putting it too strongly, 474 00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:36,399 Speaker 1: but if you're a pro independent, like you want to 475 00:25:36,520 --> 00:25:38,400 Speaker 1: want to be an independent country and you don't want 476 00:25:38,440 --> 00:25:43,840 Speaker 1: them to sort of like either continue, Well, Okay, this 477 00:25:44,119 --> 00:25:46,520 Speaker 1: is the problem with town these politics. It's enormously convoluted. 478 00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:50,880 Speaker 1: I there's a lot of stuff going on at any time, 479 00:25:50,960 --> 00:25:52,720 Speaker 1: and the people are going to get mad at you 480 00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:56,160 Speaker 1: if the supplications they're making. But yeah, the short version 481 00:25:56,200 --> 00:25:59,840 Speaker 1: of the story is that the sort of anti cc 482 00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:05,399 Speaker 1: P pro independence e forces are and the sort of 483 00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:07,840 Speaker 1: like progressive movement to sort of lumped into the d DP, 484 00:26:08,040 --> 00:26:11,119 Speaker 1: and those are the people who are getting shot like 485 00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:13,800 Speaker 1: because yeah, because again there's there's a very strong connection 486 00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:19,919 Speaker 1: between Westbyterian Church and p UM and the KMT who again, 487 00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:23,080 Speaker 1: I mean, okay, they've had an extremely complicated relationship with 488 00:26:23,080 --> 00:26:27,960 Speaker 1: the Communist Party over the last hundred years. It's incredibly baffling. 489 00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:33,119 Speaker 1: But they've basically swung around towards being more favorable to China. 490 00:26:34,359 --> 00:26:37,040 Speaker 1: And there are there are some fact extremist factions of 491 00:26:37,080 --> 00:26:41,800 Speaker 1: it that are that support unific like just unification. Um. 492 00:26:41,960 --> 00:26:46,400 Speaker 1: What seems to have happened here is okay, so this 493 00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:51,440 Speaker 1: the the shooters families seems to have been like deported 494 00:26:51,520 --> 00:26:56,960 Speaker 1: from China to Taiwan and he like did not like 495 00:26:57,119 --> 00:27:01,880 Speaker 1: it in Taiwan. And and and and this is where 496 00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:04,760 Speaker 1: it starts to get very murky. Um. The police statement 497 00:27:04,800 --> 00:27:07,440 Speaker 1: we have says that, you know, it's about sort of 498 00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:11,240 Speaker 1: racial it's it's it's it's an anti Taiwanese animus. But 499 00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:15,840 Speaker 1: that can mean a lot of things. And yeah, and 500 00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:18,320 Speaker 1: then this this again, I keep saying it's murky, and 501 00:27:18,320 --> 00:27:21,440 Speaker 1: it's because it's it's genuinely murky. There's a chance that 502 00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:22,719 Speaker 1: this is one of one of the things that's been 503 00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:26,800 Speaker 1: happening since the Hong Kong protests is a solidification in 504 00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:29,919 Speaker 1: mainland China sort of anti of anti Tiwanese sentiment has 505 00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:32,080 Speaker 1: sort of lumped in in this sort of like nationalist 506 00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:34,639 Speaker 1: anti Hong Kong thing. There was there was a hardening 507 00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:40,400 Speaker 1: of rhetoric against Taiwan, but also there's a lot of 508 00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:44,760 Speaker 1: there's a lot of people in Taiwan, like like especially 509 00:27:44,840 --> 00:27:48,199 Speaker 1: canti hardliners on the hard right who like really really 510 00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:52,800 Speaker 1: really intensely hate like the sort of like the sort 511 00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:58,080 Speaker 1: of progressive anti CCP, pro independence people. And you know, 512 00:27:58,119 --> 00:28:01,000 Speaker 1: and this is something we don't we don't know what 513 00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:03,520 Speaker 1: his affiliation is. He was like it was like he 514 00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:05,479 Speaker 1: was like it was like his sixties, right, yeah, well 515 00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:07,040 Speaker 1: and this is this is this is this is weird 516 00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:08,520 Speaker 1: because there's a lot of things that that could be 517 00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:11,000 Speaker 1: true about this because of how old he is. Like again, 518 00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:13,399 Speaker 1: you know, I mean she he is around when the 519 00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:16,000 Speaker 1: KMT is is straight up at desk aat party, right, 520 00:28:17,040 --> 00:28:20,840 Speaker 1: So it could be that it could be she's sort 521 00:28:20,840 --> 00:28:27,360 Speaker 1: of like independently radicalized. There's been some like rumors might 522 00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:30,719 Speaker 1: be too weak of a word, but there there there 523 00:28:30,760 --> 00:28:34,560 Speaker 1: have been some kind of sketchy reporting that like his 524 00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:36,840 Speaker 1: ex was leaving for Taiwan and that that may have 525 00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:42,080 Speaker 1: played a part in it. But you know, violence between 526 00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:44,719 Speaker 1: the KMT and people who don't like the KMT is 527 00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:48,200 Speaker 1: a thing that there wasn't a there was a very 528 00:28:48,280 --> 00:28:50,760 Speaker 1: large amount of in the US for a lot of reasons. 529 00:28:50,760 --> 00:28:53,120 Speaker 1: And even though the CAMT is sort of like I mean, 530 00:28:53,120 --> 00:28:57,200 Speaker 1: the their alignment that China has like flipped in the 531 00:28:57,240 --> 00:29:02,080 Speaker 1: past about forty years, I I don't know. I'm really 532 00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:05,040 Speaker 1: really desperately hoping that that's this isn't going to set off, 533 00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:08,240 Speaker 1: because I mean, there's already been a lot of especially 534 00:29:08,280 --> 00:29:10,720 Speaker 1: around Hong Kong, there's been a lot of physical violence, 535 00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:15,040 Speaker 1: like people attack each other at protests about between for example, 536 00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:17,440 Speaker 1: people who's prote their Hong Kong protests and Chinese like 537 00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:26,080 Speaker 1: CCP nationalists. But this is something different, very weird, very 538 00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:27,720 Speaker 1: embedded in the time when these context and I don't 539 00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:31,920 Speaker 1: think we fully understand what's going on here. Um. The 540 00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:33,800 Speaker 1: ever thing again is like this guy he like he 541 00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:37,080 Speaker 1: lived in times one, Like he was speaking Taiwanese, like 542 00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:38,960 Speaker 1: when when he was initially like going into this church 543 00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:40,880 Speaker 1: to infiltrate before we shot at everyone, So like he 544 00:29:41,040 --> 00:29:43,840 Speaker 1: this isn't like this, This this is and I think 545 00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:45,719 Speaker 1: people are reporting it like this because they don't know 546 00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:48,080 Speaker 1: what's going on. But like this. This isn't a case 547 00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:51,160 Speaker 1: of like a guy who is from mainland China who 548 00:29:51,320 --> 00:29:53,160 Speaker 1: like decided that he hated to time when these people 549 00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:56,320 Speaker 1: like this, He he was there, he like he speaks, 550 00:29:56,320 --> 00:30:00,640 Speaker 1: he speaks time when he is, he like on understands 551 00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:03,240 Speaker 1: the time when he's political situation very in depth, which 552 00:30:03,280 --> 00:30:08,400 Speaker 1: presumably is why he targeted the specific church. But other 553 00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:13,800 Speaker 1: than that, it's it's the motives are still kind of murky. 554 00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:15,320 Speaker 1: And this is the other problem with it, which is 555 00:30:15,320 --> 00:30:19,560 Speaker 1: that like the sheriff's like there's no way that the 556 00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:22,720 Speaker 1: sheriffs have any idea what they're looking at, like that 557 00:30:22,760 --> 00:30:25,240 Speaker 1: they're apparently reading his personal notes, and it's like I 558 00:30:25,280 --> 00:30:30,480 Speaker 1: don't trust their analysis of it. Good lord, no, yeah, 559 00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:33,200 Speaker 1: like these if you weren't here, we would have to 560 00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:36,360 Speaker 1: find someone else who understands that conflict in order to 561 00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:39,360 Speaker 1: talk about it. I don't feel comfortable like trying to 562 00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:41,520 Speaker 1: figure out or analyze that guy's notes. I sure as 563 00:30:41,520 --> 00:30:46,640 Speaker 1: ship don't trust some fucking sheriffs. It's like yeah, yeah, 564 00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:51,320 Speaker 1: I don't know, yeah, And I think that that's I 565 00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:52,840 Speaker 1: don't know. I will say like this I think was 566 00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:56,160 Speaker 1: like the worst possible scenario for what that shooting is about, 567 00:30:56,280 --> 00:31:00,320 Speaker 1: because this is a kind of this is a kind 568 00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:06,240 Speaker 1: of violence that it was really intense, like right after 569 00:31:06,840 --> 00:31:09,720 Speaker 1: World War two and sort of like and you know, 570 00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:12,400 Speaker 1: there there's been periods where like, yeah, I mean people 571 00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:15,120 Speaker 1: have been like people have gotten killed here, but it 572 00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:21,320 Speaker 1: hasn't been that violent in a long time. And I 573 00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:24,440 Speaker 1: don't know, I'm hoping this is just one guy who 574 00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:28,320 Speaker 1: had a particular grievance who I don't know, like was 575 00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:30,959 Speaker 1: it was pushed by sort of external factors. But if 576 00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:34,160 Speaker 1: this is a sign of like if this is a 577 00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:38,200 Speaker 1: sign of sort of anti Tiwanese like nationally, well, okay, 578 00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:40,480 Speaker 1: so there's one other thing that that we need to 579 00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:45,040 Speaker 1: talk about because that's unclear because there's two kinds of 580 00:31:45,040 --> 00:31:47,880 Speaker 1: potential right wing Chinese nationalism at play here, and it's 581 00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:51,920 Speaker 1: unclear which one is happening because there are there are 582 00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:55,000 Speaker 1: people who are right wing Chinese nationalists who are like 583 00:31:55,080 --> 00:31:58,560 Speaker 1: pro CCP right, but there's also a kind of like 584 00:31:58,680 --> 00:32:02,640 Speaker 1: a kind of like it shifted, but there's also like 585 00:32:02,800 --> 00:32:07,320 Speaker 1: a a like a CAMG nationalist based right in Chinese 586 00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:10,560 Speaker 1: nationalism which favors sort of like reunification with China, but 587 00:32:10,840 --> 00:32:14,320 Speaker 1: is is not the same thing as as the sort 588 00:32:14,320 --> 00:32:18,000 Speaker 1: of mainland nationalism and has its own particular, like very 589 00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:21,960 Speaker 1: local political grudges, like with with the d DP and 590 00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:28,240 Speaker 1: with the sort of like progressive movements in time one 591 00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:32,360 Speaker 1: and I don't know and anything beyond that is kind 592 00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:34,400 Speaker 1: of like trying to figure out which one it is, like, 593 00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:36,800 Speaker 1: we just don't know unless the police, unless the police 594 00:32:36,840 --> 00:32:40,320 Speaker 1: actually decided to like show us this guy's notes or 595 00:32:40,760 --> 00:32:44,480 Speaker 1: like give us recordings of what he's been saying. Uh, 596 00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:46,920 Speaker 1: we're not gonna know. And maybe maybe by the time 597 00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:49,600 Speaker 1: this is out, like there will be more stuff. But 598 00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:55,560 Speaker 1: right now it's very muddled, very bad. The fact that 599 00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:58,600 Speaker 1: this guy also I think was an American citizen but 600 00:32:58,760 --> 00:33:04,840 Speaker 1: was born in China has gotten every like even even 601 00:33:04,840 --> 00:33:09,640 Speaker 1: the Chinese media outlets are saying extremely weird stuff because 602 00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:13,000 Speaker 1: they're confused by it. So it is a it is 603 00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:21,160 Speaker 1: a muddled is a muddled mess, I mean, And everything 604 00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:23,240 Speaker 1: about this last weekend's been uddled. There's been so many 605 00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:27,280 Speaker 1: different mass shootings this weekend. There's been people being paring 606 00:33:27,320 --> 00:33:31,560 Speaker 1: away about copycat mash shootings to know. Yesterday there was 607 00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:37,160 Speaker 1: reporting that a gunman entered a church in Buffalo, um 608 00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:41,120 Speaker 1: that was not actually true. It's someone someone in the 609 00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:45,720 Speaker 1: church yelled, um, like there's a gunman or something or 610 00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:48,720 Speaker 1: like um or like get the gun down or something um, 611 00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:51,000 Speaker 1: and it caused people to create this this the kind 612 00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:53,360 Speaker 1: of rumor, but that there wasn't actually someone with a 613 00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:56,000 Speaker 1: gun it was it was this someone was like reacting 614 00:33:56,040 --> 00:33:59,600 Speaker 1: to the sermon that was that that was being had. Um. 615 00:33:59,640 --> 00:34:03,680 Speaker 1: But yeah, everyone's been super paranoid about every stuff and 616 00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:05,400 Speaker 1: all this kind of stuff, as as they should be. 617 00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:09,600 Speaker 1: So sorting through sorting through all this stuff is very 618 00:34:09,640 --> 00:34:13,359 Speaker 1: complicated and uh, not a great time because it's not 619 00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:15,640 Speaker 1: it's not fun um and we shouldn't have to do it, 620 00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:20,160 Speaker 1: but it sucks. Do you think it's also worth noting 621 00:34:20,200 --> 00:34:24,320 Speaker 1: that the police did not stop, uh, I know, specifically, 622 00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:27,239 Speaker 1: they did not stop the one in the church, the 623 00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:31,600 Speaker 1: past pastor, a pastor, hit the hit him with a 624 00:34:33,160 --> 00:34:36,560 Speaker 1: hit him with steel chair, and then they hog tied 625 00:34:36,640 --> 00:34:38,719 Speaker 1: him with an extension toward and then the police came, 626 00:34:39,160 --> 00:34:43,000 Speaker 1: which is so dope. Um. I'm sorry they were ever 627 00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:44,759 Speaker 1: in that position. They should never have to be in 628 00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:47,440 Speaker 1: that position. But it's turned out more and more people 629 00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:51,160 Speaker 1: are having to do themselves because it's not also the 630 00:34:51,160 --> 00:34:53,120 Speaker 1: first time that a mass shooter has been stopped by 631 00:34:53,120 --> 00:34:55,040 Speaker 1: someone hitting them with a chair. If I'm not mistaken, 632 00:34:55,120 --> 00:34:58,239 Speaker 1: that's how the Gifford shooter was stopped eventually, or part 633 00:34:58,239 --> 00:35:00,160 Speaker 1: of how he was stopped to somebody fucking deck him 634 00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:03,960 Speaker 1: with a chair. It's yeah, it's it's really useful to 635 00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:08,040 Speaker 1: have something beyond just your limbs. Yea. If someone is 636 00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:11,440 Speaker 1: trying to shoot you with the gun, ideally you get away. 637 00:35:11,520 --> 00:35:13,600 Speaker 1: But if you can't get away, trying to hit them 638 00:35:13,600 --> 00:35:16,880 Speaker 1: in the face with something heavy is certainly a choice 639 00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:23,440 Speaker 1: that has saved a number of people's lives. God what 640 00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:26,919 Speaker 1: what an absolutely dogshit country. It's not a great time. 641 00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:30,080 Speaker 1: And when I you know, I noted earlier anyone trying 642 00:35:30,080 --> 00:35:32,279 Speaker 1: to sell you like simple solutions, and I mentioned gun 643 00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:33,839 Speaker 1: control on that, which is not to say that like 644 00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:38,239 Speaker 1: the outrageously easy, how how ridiculously easy it is to 645 00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:40,120 Speaker 1: get any kind of gun in this country. Obviously that's 646 00:35:40,120 --> 00:35:45,160 Speaker 1: a factor in these shootings. My my um hesitance to 647 00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:47,359 Speaker 1: take gun control as a if you'll forgive the term 648 00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:49,359 Speaker 1: magic bullet to fix any of this is number one, 649 00:35:49,640 --> 00:35:52,560 Speaker 1: the sheer number of guns that are already propagated, number two, 650 00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:55,200 Speaker 1: the fact that a lot of gun control measures boiled 651 00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:57,160 Speaker 1: down to making it harder for poor people to get guns, 652 00:35:57,200 --> 00:35:59,439 Speaker 1: and neither of these shootings seem to have been poor 653 00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:04,319 Speaker 1: people shooting up UM folks. And just also the fact 654 00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:07,640 Speaker 1: that while some states are capable of passing additional gun 655 00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:11,720 Speaker 1: control number one, New York's basically done everything it's constitutional 656 00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:16,400 Speaker 1: to do are e restricting gun ownership UM and federally, 657 00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:21,000 Speaker 1: Biden and their Dems can't protect Roevie Wade. There's sure 658 00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:24,799 Speaker 1: a ship not gonna pass any federalfect people want as well, 659 00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:27,600 Speaker 1: like they're specifically doing this to get this stuff started 660 00:36:27,640 --> 00:36:31,880 Speaker 1: so that it increases plays. Whether or not to agree 661 00:36:31,880 --> 00:36:34,759 Speaker 1: with my fundamental claim, you don't have to. You can 662 00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:37,520 Speaker 1: believe that if gun to control were to be passed, 663 00:36:37,560 --> 00:36:40,440 Speaker 1: it could be the solution, but it's not gonna be. 664 00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:44,560 Speaker 1: And so like as as regards those of us trying 665 00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:48,120 Speaker 1: to survive, UM, we have to look in other directions 666 00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:50,319 Speaker 1: because you're not going to get an assault weapons span. 667 00:36:51,040 --> 00:36:55,680 Speaker 1: It's just not happening. Yeah, I mean the one good 668 00:36:55,760 --> 00:36:58,399 Speaker 1: I don't I don't say good thing, but it has 669 00:36:58,440 --> 00:37:03,520 Speaker 1: been nice to see pool slowly uh dropping the whole 670 00:37:03,600 --> 00:37:07,359 Speaker 1: like londe wolf terminology. That is a positive development because 671 00:37:07,360 --> 00:37:09,440 Speaker 1: these are not not a lone wolf. It's it's part 672 00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:12,160 Speaker 1: of a very it's part of an intentional effort to 673 00:37:12,239 --> 00:37:16,240 Speaker 1: cause these things to happen. Part the groups may be decentralized, 674 00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:19,200 Speaker 1: but they are not anything they are but they Yeah, 675 00:37:19,239 --> 00:37:23,800 Speaker 1: they are decentralized in acephalis, but they are deeply, deeply 676 00:37:23,880 --> 00:37:28,359 Speaker 1: sophisticated and connected, just not in a way you can 677 00:37:28,440 --> 00:37:33,040 Speaker 1: drone strike easily. Well yeah, and I think I would 678 00:37:33,080 --> 00:37:41,399 Speaker 1: have some target suggestions anyway, get knifefack, do stop the 679 00:37:42,040 --> 00:37:45,080 Speaker 1: and don't don't feed into their propaganda in the way 680 00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:57,160 Speaker 1: their propaganda um organized with folks in your neighborhood. Yeah, okay, 681 00:37:57,200 --> 00:38:03,320 Speaker 1: well kids, adults, boys and girls, and individuals of non 682 00:38:03,320 --> 00:38:07,440 Speaker 1: binary or other gender identities. Uh. Cats who happened to 683 00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:12,120 Speaker 1: be listening in um airwolf the helicopter if you're listening 684 00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:17,719 Speaker 1: in everybody, every sentient creature listening. You know. I do 685 00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:22,080 Speaker 1: believe that things can get better. So part of that 686 00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:27,560 Speaker 1: is not letting the crimes that these the things that 687 00:38:27,560 --> 00:38:29,880 Speaker 1: these people do, Like, part of the purpose of an 688 00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:33,920 Speaker 1: attack like this is to make people feel hopeless and overwhelmed. 689 00:38:34,360 --> 00:38:37,800 Speaker 1: It's to blackpill you you know, to to to utilize 690 00:38:37,840 --> 00:38:42,600 Speaker 1: some of their terminology. So the way to fight against 691 00:38:42,680 --> 00:38:46,080 Speaker 1: it is, among other things, if you're talking about immediate 692 00:38:46,120 --> 00:38:50,160 Speaker 1: things you can do, go out and do something nice 693 00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:53,080 Speaker 1: to help people. And you know, I would say like 694 00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:56,160 Speaker 1: as as sort of like one brief last note, like yeah, 695 00:38:56,200 --> 00:38:58,919 Speaker 1: like in Taiwan they overtoe the dictatorship and oh hey, 696 00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:01,280 Speaker 1: it turns out people stop getting assassinated by the KNT 697 00:39:01,520 --> 00:39:05,759 Speaker 1: American soil. So you know, over overthrow your governments and 698 00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:10,720 Speaker 1: YouTube can make peace with your enemies. Yeah, overthrow your government, 699 00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:16,759 Speaker 1: overthrow another government. You know, it's all good. It's all good, baby. 700 00:39:18,520 --> 00:39:20,880 Speaker 1: It could Happen here as a production of cool Zone Media. 701 00:39:21,080 --> 00:39:23,800 Speaker 1: Were more podcasts from cool Zone Media. 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