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Speaker 2: morning to you and yours. What up? Sticks?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: What up?
Speaker 4: You're always like laid back man like you never get
Speaker 4: as much excitement out of you.
Speaker 3: You know what's up, y'all? What what ut BEFERRONI cowboy?
Speaker 2: You got all the kids in town? Are you guys
Speaker 2: all love? What's New Year's even gonna look like? I
Speaker 2: don't know, man gett.
Speaker 5: I want to be probably probably start as soon as
Speaker 5: the show was over.
Speaker 3: It probably started yesterday already started continuing into today. They
Speaker 3: top golfed yesterday.
Speaker 5: So my son's actually a pretty doll going good golfer man,
Speaker 5: the younger one. So they went to golf have a
Speaker 5: good time doing that.
Speaker 3: Did you bring Monsy? Well?
Speaker 5: I know she loves top golf. I know and in
Speaker 5: Vegas too, of all places. We didn't take her yesterday. Sorry,
Speaker 5: what's up?
Speaker 3: Mancy? Might be we might need to retire that?
Speaker 2: All right? So you guys want to hear John Caspary
Speaker 2: bitch about uh about a situation that's currently going on
Speaker 2: in college basketball. He recruited me cal party did Where
Speaker 2: was he?
Speaker 3: Then? You mass?
Speaker 5: That was when he had us cambi in. Yeah, they
Speaker 5: had that year, that magical year they practiced on our court.
Speaker 5: He came there because his his head coach was my
Speaker 5: head coach. His college head coach was my high school
Speaker 5: head coach, and they were recruiting me. So they brought
Speaker 5: the team there to practice. He came and gave us
Speaker 5: a great speech.
Speaker 2: So, yeah, got recruited by coach cal Bob Huggins.
Speaker 3: Who else John Thompson.
Speaker 2: Hell yeah, yeah, that's what I'm talking about me.
Speaker 5: I had a few Villanova recruited me. I had a
Speaker 5: few few teams. You know that I just stopped growing,
Speaker 5: that's all, you know, that was the problem. I would
Speaker 5: have had to become a real basketball player if I
Speaker 5: was going to play basketball. It's too short to just
Speaker 5: use talent.
Speaker 3: So that's wild too, because how sorry you like six
Speaker 3: four six six four six four, it's like six y
Speaker 3: three just under six four, right.
Speaker 4: It's just funny though that like you're like this, yeah,
Speaker 4: but this is the way you're saying it, Like I'd
Speaker 4: have to become a real basketball player, which you know.
Speaker 3: For most people like I just I don't know. I
Speaker 3: think you were better than most.
Speaker 5: I had a vertical I could jump. I think what
Speaker 5: had people confused is I was getting rebounds over guys
Speaker 5: that were like six nine, six ten. But it's only
Speaker 5: because I could move quicker. You know, the taller they were,
Speaker 5: the slower they were, and I beat I beat quads up,
Speaker 5: elbowed quads, So you didn't get off the ground as quick,
Speaker 5: didn't move as quick. I was like a rockman. I
Speaker 5: was a work guy. I was gonna run, run, run, run,
Speaker 5: use my quicks off.
Speaker 3: The court too.
Speaker 5: Absolutely, Yeah ruined me. Basketball ruined me. Football saved me.
Speaker 5: Basketball ruined me. It's a different level of clout when
Speaker 5: you play basketball. Man, I ain't gonna lie to you
Speaker 5: like I was on the circus, you know, a bro.
Speaker 5: I was on the travel circuit and that that iso
Speaker 5: very different than football.
Speaker 2: Bob Huggins showed you the row.
Speaker 5: So hey, brouh, it's very different from football. I don't
Speaker 5: know why, like I was considered to be way handso
Speaker 5: murder being a basketball player than I was a football player.
Speaker 5: But it is what it is. It's still all worked
Speaker 5: out so well.
Speaker 2: I mean, the good news is you could probably go
Speaker 2: back and play now based on I got one year,
Speaker 2: based on what we've seen. So we talked about this
Speaker 2: a little bit yesterday on our show.
Speaker 3: Yes Wow.
Speaker 2: James Naji, who was a former NBA draft pick. He
Speaker 2: was the thirty first overall pick. I believe in twenty
Speaker 2: twenty three, he's with Baylor. Now he has now gone
Speaker 2: back and he's playing with Baylor, and so some people
Speaker 2: have not been thrilled about what he's going on. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's the whole things wild. You got European players that
Speaker 2: are coming in that are all it just none of
Speaker 2: it makes any sense. And John Calipari decided, you know what,
Speaker 2: somebody's got to speak up. Let me be the guy.
Speaker 6: Well, look, I don't blame coaches. You know, I've got
Speaker 6: friends that are playing with twenty seven year olds and
Speaker 6: they feel bad. I said, don't feel bad. We don't
Speaker 6: have any rules. Why should you feel bad? But let
Speaker 6: me give you this real simple. The rules bees the rules.
Speaker 6: So if you put your name in the draft, I
Speaker 6: don't care if you're from Russia and you stay in
Speaker 6: the draft, you can't play college basketball. Well that's only
Speaker 6: for American kids. What if your name is in that
Speaker 6: draft and you got drafted, you can't play cup because
Speaker 6: that's our rule. Yeah, but that's only for American kids. Okay, okay,
Speaker 6: Now here's the next lawsuit. Well, we don't have a
Speaker 6: say over European players. You do if they're playing in
Speaker 6: college basketball. So that means you don't have a say
Speaker 6: over high school kids. So whatever a high school kid
Speaker 6: does before he comes here, don't you do one thing
Speaker 6: because there's a suit, Because what you're saying is if
Speaker 6: he's in Europe, we don't have the same rules. Does
Speaker 6: anybody care what this is doing for seventeen and eighteen
Speaker 6: year old American kids? Do you know what this opportunity
Speaker 6: has done for them and their families? There aren't gonna
Speaker 6: be any high school kids who other than dumb people
Speaker 6: like me are going to recruit high school kids. I
Speaker 6: get so much satisfaction out of coaching young kids and
Speaker 6: seeing them grow and make it and their family life
Speaker 6: changes that I'm gonna keep doing it.
Speaker 3: But why would anybody else?
Speaker 6: If you can get NBA players, G League players, guys
Speaker 6: that are twenty eight years old, guys from Europe?
Speaker 3: Do we really know their transcript? Do we have somebody
Speaker 3: over there? Do we really know their birth certificate?
Speaker 2: So that was John Calipari, let it be own his
Speaker 2: feelings on the situation involving guys returning to college basketball
Speaker 2: late into their twenties with eligibility still remaining in the
Speaker 2: NBA draft. Charlie Baker, the NCAA president, He responded with
Speaker 2: a statement, on Tuesday that said, quote, the NCAA is
Speaker 2: not and will not grant eligibility to any perspective or
Speaker 2: returning student athletes who have signed an NBA contract, including
Speaker 2: a two way contract. Calipari was on ESPN last night
Speaker 2: and said, well, they're moving the goalpost now because now
Speaker 2: it's if you haven't signed a contract, you can't come back.
Speaker 2: But when before it was if you are in the
Speaker 2: draft and you get drafted, that's it.
Speaker 4: And and they're saying that because of their legal expertise
Speaker 4: that someone's provided Charlie Baker, that they feel like they
Speaker 4: can say that and not get sued because every time
Speaker 4: the NCAA has gone, you know, up against the judicial system,
Speaker 4: they've lost. This is an inflection point for college sports,
Speaker 4: and it's one of the reasons like why on our
Speaker 4: show on two Pros, I've continually talked about this with
Speaker 4: you guys in regards to everything kind of seems up
Speaker 4: in the air, and basketball has been further ahead because
Speaker 4: there's been this whole you know, at first you could
Speaker 4: just leave right from high school and go to play
Speaker 4: professional basketball, and then it came back in with the
Speaker 4: one undone and John Calipari was one of the first
Speaker 4: to really embrace that and embody that, but even allowing
Speaker 4: that to take place was a step closer to completely
Speaker 4: disregarding the educational component and the developmental component. And there's
Speaker 4: elements of that that are still at play in college
Speaker 4: football right now, and that's brought forth by the transfer
Speaker 4: portal because that's now become big business. So I say
Speaker 4: it's an inflection point for college sports in general right
Speaker 4: now because we've almost looked at trying to like, in
Speaker 4: a way private ties this whole experience for young people
Speaker 4: and what this experience means. It used to mean development,
Speaker 4: It used to mean getting an education.
Speaker 3: It used to mean, you.
Speaker 4: Know, graduating with a degree, a platform, a network, and
Speaker 4: a foundation, where after you were rewarded with that, you'd
Speaker 4: move on into the private sect or you'd potentially be
Speaker 4: lucky enough to be one of the one to two
Speaker 4: to three percent, depending on the sport, to play professionally.
Speaker 4: But at some point that ends. And now we've looked
Speaker 4: at it's completely different. We're like, well, wait a second,
Speaker 4: these players should be compensated, and yet we haven't had
Speaker 4: anyone come up with a structure that allows both things
Speaker 4: to work where they can be compensated, yet at the
Speaker 4: same time, we can still keep the educational component there
Speaker 4: for them. So there's something for these young men and
Speaker 4: women when they get done with their playing careers to
Speaker 4: fall back on to then go search for whatever that
Speaker 4: next is.
Speaker 3: That's the tough part.
Speaker 4: About this whole conversation is as much as we want
Speaker 4: to make light of it and joke about it, there
Speaker 4: is a lot of people who are impacted at the
Speaker 4: high school level moving into college that are having opportunities
Speaker 4: taken away from people who already had that opportunity and
Speaker 4: they weren't good enough. And I'll even go as far
Speaker 4: as saying this the NCAA whimping out with how many
Speaker 4: eligibility waivers they've granted for a lot of players who
Speaker 4: are now playing, you know.
Speaker 3: Six seven years of college football.
Speaker 4: It's the same thing that same players taking up a
Speaker 4: high school players roster spot and his opportunity to crack
Speaker 4: into you know, onto the field and play and make
Speaker 4: his impact.
Speaker 3: But it's all because it's become big business. Now. I
Speaker 3: hate it where it's at.
Speaker 4: I understand why it's where it is, and I'm not
Speaker 4: like arguing for you know, student athletes not to be compensated,
Speaker 4: but there does need to be a reckoning where someone
Speaker 4: comes and saves the day. And I'm sorry, I'm just
Speaker 4: not a believer that the federal government is going to
Speaker 4: do it, even though it feels like every time Charlie
Speaker 4: Baker speaks he's begging Congress to step in and give
Speaker 4: them some sort of anti trust protection.
Speaker 5: I think it's a it's a tremendously large conversation that
Speaker 5: Kyler Perry opened because there are a lot of unknowns
Speaker 5: there are, and there are a lot of different different
Speaker 5: ways of doing things and different ways of seeing things.
Speaker 5: And that's by sport. I mean, it's it's touched into
Speaker 5: now the gender conversation. You don't even you know, need
Speaker 5: to go down that road right now, but I mean
Speaker 5: that is a conversation that's out there as well. You know,
Speaker 5: people's ability to compete and where they're competing at. You
Speaker 5: know that those lines have been now been crossed and
Speaker 5: have been blurred, and those conversations are ensuing. But you know,
Speaker 5: by sport, you're talking about people that are you know
Speaker 5: when they say to Euros, you know it costs more,
Speaker 5: it costs more to bring European players here to play
Speaker 5: for one, it costs more, and a lot of times
Speaker 5: they go straight from from high school to pro There
Speaker 5: is no light, there is no system set up the
Speaker 5: way it's set up here in America. And so if
Speaker 5: you're if you are living and dying by going after
Speaker 5: that that what you would call experience and trying to
Speaker 5: bring that here to be able to compete and win
Speaker 5: in the certain sports that exists.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're you're right.
Speaker 5: It is going to hurt what takes place with high
Speaker 5: school kids and developmental situations because you're not looking to
Speaker 5: develop kids. It's so interesting, we'll say, We'll hear coaches
Speaker 5: say it's all about the development, it's all about the development.
Speaker 5: But you you go into their practices, whether it's football,
Speaker 5: whether it's basketball, baseball, hockey, whatever you choose the sport.
Speaker 5: A lot of times when you go to these colleges,
Speaker 5: they are not doing focused development periods like they used to.
Speaker 3: They're not.
Speaker 5: They get straight into it, they go right to it.
Speaker 5: No real development. And for what it's worth. The one
Speaker 5: thing that you mentioned Q that really is kind of
Speaker 5: becoming a scarcity is the educational component of it. You
Speaker 5: don't hear people speak on education. It's almost like the
Speaker 5: nil phase of where we are in college athletics has
Speaker 5: almost muted the conversation of how important education is in
Speaker 5: this scenario because most of the vast majority of these
Speaker 5: people will have to find a job post college career,
Speaker 5: the vast, vast, vast majority of them. And so now
Speaker 5: what are we doing. We're not only not preparing them
Speaker 5: to be able to compete, because we want them to
Speaker 5: be ready made to compete. Come in ready made. If
Speaker 5: you're not ready to go, then I'm going.
Speaker 3: With who is?
Speaker 5: But now you're also talking about those the expectations have
Speaker 5: have really really dowed in on what your obligations and
Speaker 5: your duties are to your team, to your team, and
Speaker 5: it only becomes an issue with your grades when your
Speaker 5: grades are an issue, right, it's not. It's not, oh,
Speaker 5: you didn't go to class, okay, like you're going to
Speaker 5: get in trouble for that. They have rules to govern like,
Speaker 5: you know, going to class and getting grades, but it's
Speaker 5: really not going to be a focal point until you've
Speaker 5: done something that gets you in trouble, you get bad grades,
Speaker 5: you're not going to class, whatever it may be. But
Speaker 5: it's not a main focal point of what's taking place.
Speaker 5: So I look at it like there's such as such
Speaker 5: a large conversation because the way we look at things.
Speaker 5: Yet you go, you enter your name into the draft,
Speaker 5: you can't come back. That's how I always thought it was,
Speaker 5: and I thought that is what it was.
Speaker 3: I think it was when you signed with an agent.
Speaker 5: But yeah, when you when you signed with I thought
Speaker 5: it was when you declare it for the draft.
Speaker 3: I don't know. And if you got drafted whatever it is,
Speaker 3: well for for basketball, excuse me?
Speaker 5: Right, Okay, So so again across sports, if you think
Speaker 5: about it, you can get drafted in hockey and still
Speaker 5: they go play. You can get drafted in baseball and
Speaker 5: still go play. You can be a pro in volleyball
Speaker 5: and still go play, you know what I mean. So
Speaker 5: it's like so many different different, uh you know, ways
Speaker 5: of how things are done by sport. It's this is
Speaker 5: going to be a very very difficult conversation to like
Speaker 5: come up with solutions for.
Speaker 4: Let me play Devil's advocate to you, Jonas in this situation,
Speaker 4: because wouldn't you look at this and just say, well,
Speaker 4: isn't that isn't.
Speaker 3: This how it's supposed to be done?
Speaker 4: Like don't you go to college, if you're a student
Speaker 4: to then figure out what you want to do, how
Speaker 4: are you gonna make money when.
Speaker 3: You get out?
Speaker 4: And if student athletes have already been able to do
Speaker 4: that at the college level, then yeah, I think we
Speaker 4: understand the long term impact or the long term risks
Speaker 4: that are involved if you don't get your degree. But
Speaker 4: if you're making money while you're doing that, Like, isn't
Speaker 4: that the entire goal?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: And I look at it, and I've said this to
Speaker 2: you guys before, it doesn't feel like this is college
Speaker 2: sports anymore. It's this in between gray area between college
Speaker 2: and professional to where they're selling you the illusion of well,
Speaker 2: it's college and it's a college experience and it's this
Speaker 2: and it's that.
Speaker 3: But there's money. There's a lot of money.
Speaker 2: There's influence, there's agents, there's like all of these things
Speaker 2: that are that are now being factored into it. That's
Speaker 2: professional Like, that's pro sports. Like that's what you deal
Speaker 2: with at the pro level. And I don't begrudge any
Speaker 2: of them, because yes, like that is the goal. You
Speaker 2: go to college to find out what's my next step?
Speaker 2: What do I want to do in life? And they've
Speaker 2: figured this out and they're just like John Caliparty said
Speaker 2: it in the clip. He said, look, I got friends
Speaker 2: that are you know, kind of feel bad. I mean,
Speaker 2: I would you know, question that how bad they actually feel. Yeah,
Speaker 2: they've got twenty seven year olds on there on the table.
Speaker 2: But John Calparty's like, well, look, don't feel bad. We
Speaker 2: don't have any rules. There's nothing to govern all this.
Speaker 2: And so there is also.
Speaker 3: That John's the moral compass.
Speaker 2: Well, and that's the other thing too, Like you know,
Speaker 2: he made it a point, you know, to let everybody know, hey, listen,
Speaker 2: I recruit this way.
Speaker 3: He's self plugged. He definitely shamelessly plugged.
Speaker 2: He was. He was one of the first guys that
Speaker 2: went one and done all the way through. I mean,
Speaker 2: Brady knows his time in Kentucky, John Caliparty's time there.
Speaker 3: Bring it up now.
Speaker 4: So he's like he's I mean, look, he's one of
Speaker 4: the he's a Hall of Fame recruiter.
Speaker 3: Now what he's done with some of those teams.
Speaker 4: A little disappointed as far as the development, but again,
Speaker 4: you well, when you only have one year to make
Speaker 4: it work to your point, levard it's tough like that,
Speaker 4: and I think that's one of the issues too. With
Speaker 4: even looking at like college football, where you've got to
Speaker 4: be outle of high school for three years before your
Speaker 4: draft eligible. But nowadays coaches instead of looking at a
Speaker 4: guy that gets there in high school and maybe he
Speaker 4: has to put on twenty thirty pounds and maybe you
Speaker 4: has to learn how to play the position or learn
Speaker 4: their scheme and then and then adapt to you know,
Speaker 4: the challenges of being like a maturing adult with your
Speaker 4: time management, being away from home, all that stuff. You know,
Speaker 4: Now they just go, well, that guy's not ready, We're
Speaker 4: going to find some of the transfer portal that's right,
Speaker 4: and they bring in a guy who they've seen on
Speaker 4: film can do the things that they're looking for. And
Speaker 4: again that's NFL, that is free agency. That is exactly
Speaker 4: what's happening. And it's important too because you know, not
Speaker 4: it's not happening in college quite as much because there's
Speaker 4: so much money with somebody his head coaching positions, so
Speaker 4: the buyouts are too big. But you know, as far
Speaker 4: as being a one and done coach, but there's elements
Speaker 4: of I think for players and families and the frustration
Speaker 4: of not getting the development they're hoping for, at least
Speaker 4: at some places like I don't want to speak for
Speaker 4: everyone because everyone's you know, there's different schools that I
Speaker 4: think do it right, and I think there's you know,
Speaker 4: unique circumstances that are involved in some of this always.
Speaker 4: But for football, for sure, because it's such a developmental sport.
Speaker 3: You know, there's guys who their bodies changed dramatically.
Speaker 4: And for basketball, it's a little bit different because there
Speaker 4: they've always been on the fast track. They identify kids
Speaker 4: in junior high as you talked about when you're on
Speaker 4: that AAU circuit and you're one of those dudes like
Speaker 4: Cooper Flag.
Speaker 3: People knew about Cooper Flag for forever ago, now.
Speaker 5: Have you that's everybody and that And that's a great point,
Speaker 5: and I know we're up on it, but don't you
Speaker 5: think it now has to start earlier, like we have
Speaker 5: to like the way we approach athletics has to be
Speaker 5: looked at differently now. And it's interesting because it's something
Speaker 5: that I'm working on. I'm actually going to be teaching
Speaker 5: at Penn State upcoming semester. You have to learn teach.
Speaker 3: Arrington. You're not going to be you're being Professor Arrington.
Speaker 5: And part of writing the curriculum too, and you got
Speaker 5: to move there.
Speaker 3: What are you doing?
Speaker 5: Yeah, I know it has to It has to be
Speaker 5: a coming of uh of terms that extracurricular needs to
Speaker 5: be thrown out for sports. We've been brainwashed to look
Speaker 5: at sports as extra curricular. But there's so many opportunities
Speaker 5: that exist in sports, from agents to money managers, to
Speaker 5: legal representation, to the athlete themselves, to marketing and branding
Speaker 5: and advertising. There's so many opportunities that exist in the category.
Speaker 5: We have to stop segregating, separating athletics from amics. And
Speaker 5: I think that that's the biggest thing. We have been
Speaker 5: brainwashed from day one to think that everything else is
Speaker 5: more important.
Speaker 3: Go to school, what do you do?
Speaker 5: You take your classes, and then when you're done with school,
Speaker 5: then you go do the extracurricular things like playing a sport,
Speaker 5: the sport that you're playing for. You have to there
Speaker 5: has to be a understanding that the training, the development,
Speaker 5: the preparation of how you're how you're being educated at
Speaker 5: the younger levels has to become I think it has
Speaker 5: to become more of a focal point. And I know
Speaker 5: we see these different schools that are like an IMG.
Speaker 5: You know, you see it at these different places that
Speaker 5: have the money and the resources to do it. But
Speaker 5: there has to be a different approach to how we
Speaker 5: view athletics moving forward as this NIL era continues to grow.
Speaker 5: Because it's impacting the high school level, it's impacting, it's.
Speaker 3: Impacting middle school.
Speaker 5: Like youth athletics is being impacted by the in il
Speaker 5: and and so to me, there's a preparation that isn't
Speaker 5: taking place. And to be educated as kids, to be
Speaker 5: educated as.
Speaker 3: Parents, as adults. They don't know.
Speaker 2: When you guys were in high school, do you remember
Speaker 2: taking a finance class?
Speaker 5: Yes, I learned how to write checks, I learned how
Speaker 5: to balance my check work.
Speaker 3: I learned how to do all those things. But it
Speaker 3: was it was well standing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the simple stuff.
Speaker 3: Correct.
Speaker 2: There should be something to Hey, you're gonna have a
Speaker 2: lot of money coming your way at a really young age.
Speaker 3: Let us teach you what it could be.
Speaker 2: Now it could be now, like make that part of
Speaker 2: the requirement if you want. You've got to learn how
Speaker 2: this works. So at least you've given them the tools.
Speaker 2: If they don't use it, that's fine, but at least
Speaker 2: you've given them the opportunity to learn.
Speaker 4: And and then I think that's part of some of
Speaker 4: the curriculum. Now, that's that's inherent to every nil program
Speaker 4: and every school and the college level, you know, as
Speaker 4: far as high school. It's kind of it's it's tough
Speaker 4: to do that because you're really talking about like the
Speaker 4: one point one percent. It's such a small population that
Speaker 4: falls in this category.
Speaker 3: I mean even across that.
Speaker 5: Will go pro, that will go pro, sure, But but
Speaker 5: the idea of understanding the business of sport, that's everybody.
Speaker 5: That's that's all, and they should have the opportunity to
Speaker 5: be educated that way. Somebody that that played with you
Speaker 5: on the football team could have been a part of
Speaker 5: your business unit moving forward through school.
Speaker 3: You know, they could have been the person that.
Speaker 5: Was making sure that your your branding was was correct.
Speaker 5: Like what is Brady Brady's brand? We're going to make
Speaker 5: sure that brand is built and pronounced. What what is
Speaker 5: he doing financially? Like is he able to generate modeling
Speaker 5: gigs and stuff like that?
Speaker 2: He's got the meat wagon, come on whatever?
Speaker 5: Who but think about it, his best friends are his
Speaker 5: best friends and they're still buddies from high school.
Speaker 2: The role doing anything to help this process.
Speaker 3: There's a role for everybody is what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: And if that role is carrying the bags and it
Speaker 5: might be carrying the bags and meat wagon, your your back.
Speaker 5: We're people too, bro, I'm with you on that. Don't
Speaker 5: let them hold you down, man, just be who you are.
Speaker 3: But I'm just.
Speaker 5: Saying there is the idea that the educating of what
Speaker 5: sport represents it should not be looked at as extracurricular.
Speaker 5: You know, we don't look at you preparing to be
Speaker 5: a scientist as being extracurricular. We don't look at you
Speaker 5: being an architect or a lawyer as being extracurricular.
Speaker 3: So let's look.
Speaker 5: At something that is a tremendous fabric of what our
Speaker 5: culture and our society is, which is sports, and make
Speaker 5: it more of a focal point so that we can
Speaker 5: actually have prepared parents and student athletes that are more
Speaker 5: enlightened and understanding what the landscape presents. People don't even
Speaker 5: know what NIL is. Still to this day, ask some people.
Speaker 3: About what NIL is. They wouldn't be able to tell
Speaker 3: you what it is.
Speaker 5: So educating them at an earlier age get parents on
Speaker 5: the same page at an earlier age for both those
Speaker 5: who will continue on to be pros and those who
Speaker 5: will continue on to be students. I might have been
Speaker 5: a really really good football player and a basketball player
Speaker 5: at the high school level. I'm not going to make
Speaker 5: it at the college level, but I still want to
Speaker 5: be a part of that sport. You're now giving them
Speaker 5: opportunities as well. You're opening up the gates to having
Speaker 5: people be more empowered with the changing landscape of what
Speaker 5: sports represents.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 5: That's to me, I feel like that's what's grossly missing
Speaker 5: in America because they don't play that. In Europe, they
Speaker 5: don't play that. If you are good, they come get
Speaker 5: you and you're out of there. You're already it's already
Speaker 5: what it is. But here we don't do that. In fact,
Speaker 5: we frown on it. If we give if we give
Speaker 5: benefits and favoritism to elites in athletics, it's frowned upon,
Speaker 5: and people try to find rules to govern in it
Speaker 5: and keep them from doing it. I've seen more than
Speaker 5: enough kids get, you know, suspended for seasons because they
Speaker 5: wanted to go play out of school where there was
Speaker 5: better coaching or better exposure or better education.
Speaker 3: On what it is that they're they're trying to do.
Speaker 5: There's always a roadblock that we're putting up to try
Speaker 5: to block the idea of forwarding sports.
Speaker 3: And I don't understand that that it has to change
Speaker 3: at this point.
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Speaker 3: Here's all illnesses it really does. I'm going to win.
Speaker 3: It's Quinn's wins.
Speaker 4: That's right, abbreviated a version of this. So let's just
Speaker 4: get right into it. We are what a game or
Speaker 4: two above five hundred I think for the year. Well, look,
Speaker 4: he was on, he was on when he was excited
Speaker 4: about that the last conversation.
Speaker 3: Nothing wrong with that.
Speaker 4: Let's kick things off though, in the quarteral quarter final rounds.
Speaker 4: We're gonna talk about the bowl games that matter the most,
Speaker 4: and we've got a big one later on this evening
Speaker 4: six thirty or seven thirty pm Eastern. Excuse me, Miami
Speaker 4: taking on Ohio State. Miami obviously, with their close win
Speaker 4: over Texas and m in the first round, take it
Speaker 4: on the Buckeyes team that yes, lost in the Big
Speaker 4: Ten championship, however, still got a buy is still the
Speaker 4: number two overall seed, and they are favored by nine
Speaker 4: and a half points. Jonas, keep me honest in these lines, correct.
Speaker 4: I know there's always some movement. I see this one
Speaker 4: being closer than the experts think. There's a lot of
Speaker 4: money too that's holding up this line at nine and
Speaker 4: a half on the Miami side of things. But this
Speaker 4: is a team that's I think been overlooked a bit
Speaker 4: this season, and partly because the inconsistent quarterback played by
Speaker 4: Carson Beck. However, they've got playmakers all around. Mark Fletcher
Speaker 4: Junior the running back. He can tote the rock. This
Speaker 4: offensive line is massive for Miami and they've done a
Speaker 4: really good job at providing running lanes but also providing
Speaker 4: protection to Beck this season.
Speaker 3: And then Malachai TONI keep an eye on him. He'll
Speaker 3: move him around all over the field.
Speaker 4: He's just a legit playmaker as a freshman, and he's
Speaker 4: helped kind of create some big moments for this team
Speaker 4: throughout the course of the season. On the flip side,
Speaker 4: Messador and Rubin Bank two of the best edge rushers.
Speaker 3: In college football. Two guys are going to hear their
Speaker 3: names called really early in next year's draft.
Speaker 4: They're going to be tough to deal with for this
Speaker 4: Ohio State offensive line, which, again, when you really look
Speaker 4: at this Ohio State team, I asked the question earlier,
Speaker 4: who's the best quarterback they faced all year? Probably Mendoza.
Speaker 4: It's probably fair to say that might have been the
Speaker 4: best offense they faced. And even though it was a
Speaker 4: low scoring game, tight game, one in which Ohio State
Speaker 4: could have very well won, they didn't.
Speaker 3: In the end, I think this is another lower scoring game,
Speaker 3: tight game, don't.
Speaker 4: I think nine and a half points is too much,
Speaker 4: so I'm gonna take the nine and a half points.
Speaker 3: I do think the Buck guys move on to win
Speaker 3: this game.
Speaker 4: Though, so that's my first pick is Miami plus the
Speaker 4: nine and a half points in that matchup.
Speaker 3: Next up, we'll talk about the.
Speaker 4: Orange Bowl tomorrow at noon Eastern Oregon laying two and
Speaker 4: a half points. Last time I looked Jonas versus Texas Tech.
Speaker 4: This Oregon team reminds me a bit of Ohio State
Speaker 4: last year, where you know, I remember Ohio State didn't
Speaker 4: make it a Big Ten championship game. It was Oregon
Speaker 4: who ran the table. It was Oregon who got the
Speaker 4: buy and then Oregon who subsequently last year in the
Speaker 4: playoff got blown out by Ohio State. But this team
Speaker 4: is really it has all the pieces. My only concern
Speaker 4: is whether or not Texas Tech can run the football
Speaker 4: effectively to create some of the balance and really expose
Speaker 4: The only issue I've seen this year for Morgan's defense
Speaker 4: is their ability to stop the run. They've got the
Speaker 4: playmakers to rush on the edges. They've got the secondary too.
Speaker 4: I think they get turnovers. It just comes down to
Speaker 4: if Texas Tech wants to play Boy Ball and if
Speaker 4: they have enough balance they were running the football. But
Speaker 4: Dante Moore could be making a case for being the
Speaker 4: number one overall pick after this year. If he decides
Speaker 4: to leave school, I've got him as one of the
Speaker 4: top quarterbacks, if not the top quarterback as we head
Speaker 4: into the draft.
Speaker 3: I just think there's too much talent on Oregon, too
Speaker 3: much speed. It's been a great year for Texas Tech.
Speaker 4: I do think this will be another close game, but
Speaker 4: only the two and a half points here with Oregon.
Speaker 4: Next up Georgia taking on Old Miss Georgia laying six
Speaker 4: and out points.
Speaker 2: Jonas, is that still the line that's correct?
Speaker 3: Okay?
Speaker 4: Georgia has continually improved as the season has gone on.
Speaker 4: If you're an SEC fan and you're looking like you
Speaker 4: always do to root for one team of your conference
Speaker 4: and then claimants the conference dominance, it would be get
Speaker 4: behind Georgia.
Speaker 3: Gunnar Stockton's been somewhat of a playmaker.
Speaker 4: They found more of a balanced rushing attack, and defensively,
Speaker 4: they're one of the best defenses in the country. I
Speaker 4: think this is where the road stops for Old Miss.
Speaker 4: Triudadad Chambliss has had a tremendous season. Old Miss is
Speaker 4: at a tremendous season. They really haven't been challenged though
Speaker 4: they only played four teams with winning records this year.
Speaker 4: That excludes, obviously their Round one win vers Tulane, which
Speaker 4: again not really much of a challenge. We already saw
Speaker 4: that game earlier this season. That was arguably one of
Speaker 4: their best wins of the year, so this is a
Speaker 4: completely different challenge. I think Old miss would be outclassed Georgia.
Speaker 4: You laid the six and a half points and they
Speaker 4: move on. Finally, last game is I'm looking through my notes,
Speaker 4: Why am I blanking Alabama?
Speaker 2: Indiana?
Speaker 3: There we go Alabama, danam my goodness.
Speaker 4: The number one team in the country is IU and
Speaker 4: they've exceeded all expectations this year and just winning the
Speaker 4: Big Ten, running the table, beating Ohio State.
Speaker 3: If there was any.
Speaker 4: Questions or concerns about what this team's capable of doing,
Speaker 4: they've won in a variety of ways. They stomped an
Speaker 4: Illinois team that was ranked in the top twenty at
Speaker 4: that point in time three to ten. They beat who
Speaker 4: was looked at as the best team all season in
Speaker 4: Ohio State in the Big Ten championship game.
Speaker 3: Down the stretch.
Speaker 4: They've won a dramatic fashion versus a good Penn State
Speaker 4: team on the road. Yes, and I understand, you know,
Speaker 4: people will take issue with that, but I still think
Speaker 4: Penn State is a better team. People give them credit,
Speaker 4: but this isn't a challenge I think.
Speaker 3: For IU where they I just.
Speaker 4: Don't trust them in the trenches to be able to
Speaker 4: compete with Alabama throughout the course of the game.
Speaker 3: Even though Alabama was.
Speaker 4: Elected not to really want to run the football, I
Speaker 4: do think they're going to have to have a little
Speaker 4: bit more balance if they want to beat Indiana. But
Speaker 4: Simpsons played phenomenal. Ryan Williams is a tough matchup Jeremy Bernard.
Speaker 4: They've got playmakers on the outside that are tough to
Speaker 4: keep up with. This Alabama defense has improved. I'm not
Speaker 4: even saying they win this thing outright. I wouldn't be
Speaker 4: surprised if they do. But I am taking the points
Speaker 4: in Alabama. I think a touchdown, which last time I
Speaker 4: checked it was at seven points, is a seven to
Speaker 4: seven half, still seven.
Speaker 3: I would take the seven points and Bama. I think
Speaker 3: this is another tighter game.
Speaker 4: Which, mind, you go through Indiana season when if they
Speaker 4: played a good team and it hasn't been a tight
Speaker 4: game if you include Iowa in that conversation, tight game.
Speaker 4: We talked about the end of game heroics versus Penn State.
Speaker 4: We talked about the end of game heroics versus Ohio
Speaker 4: State in the Big Ten Championship game. Outside of the
Speaker 4: Illinois game, most of their big games have been tight.
Speaker 4: So this is one where I think it's it's too
Speaker 4: big of a number. Alabama's too talented in certain spots
Speaker 4: that can create an issue, and I do think Obama
Speaker 4: keeps within the number. So take the seven points here
Speaker 4: and the Crimson tie.
Speaker 2: I'm talking about right there, baby.
Speaker 5: Yeahs oh oh, we brought it back.
Speaker 3: There was an effort made.
Speaker 2: We got it, ladies and gentlemen. Geez, Mark, just trying
Speaker 2: to like that, Mark, Mark, you got to turn your
Speaker 2: phone off when you're doing the show. What's wrong with you?
Speaker 2: I know, with an accident, you know, talking to people.
Speaker 3: You know, it gets in the way of works. The toys. Damn.
Speaker 2: By the way, I did put together a little parlay
Speaker 2: on DraftKings based on the Quinns wins. So Miami plus
Speaker 2: nine and a half, Oregon minus two and a half,
Speaker 2: Georgia minus six and a half, Alabama plus seven. If
Speaker 2: you bet ten dollars on that, you're gonna win just
Speaker 2: a little bit over one hundred and twenty six. All right,
Speaker 2: so ten bucks wins you one hundred and twenty six.
Speaker 2: And if you want to get real risky and real frisky,
Speaker 2: a thousand wins you twelve hundred and sixty three dollars
Speaker 2: or one hundred bucks wins you twelve hundred and sixty about.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's not worth a thousand. Don't do that.
Speaker 2: You're doing it here. A thousand would bring you back
Speaker 2: twelve grand. So listen, there's there's opportunities out there. I
Speaker 2: think I'm gonna four leg it. What do you think
Speaker 2: about that? LaVar always three legs, and I'm gonna face.
Speaker 3: I'm comfortable with my three legs. Hey, yo, what what
Speaker 3: talking about? Parlay?
Speaker 6: And?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Which game are you not betting in that?
Speaker 2: Parlad? So are you saying that my Texas Tech to
Speaker 2: go to the to go to the championship is feels
Speaker 2: like a real long shot?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't see it.
Speaker 4: I mean the teams I feel most confident in winning
Speaker 4: it obviously, Ohio State, Georgia and Oregon. Those three, from
Speaker 4: what I've seen this year, are the most consistent and
Speaker 4: the most balanced. They're the most depth, and I think
Speaker 4: they're playing some really good football. So look, I understand
Speaker 4: again not putting Indiana, who's gone undefeated, is the number
Speaker 4: one team in.
Speaker 3: The country, is part of the conversation.
Speaker 4: And by the way, I hope they proved me wrong
Speaker 4: because they have overachieved.
Speaker 3: They have constantly surprised us.
Speaker 4: It's just being on the field man and seeing that
Speaker 4: team and how they match up physically versus even Ohio
Speaker 4: stateyed the Big Ten Championship. There's a sense of like
Speaker 4: surprise and just kind of in awe of what Kurt
Speaker 4: Signetti and his staff and those players have been able
Speaker 4: to accomplish because they do not look like the rest
Speaker 4: of the teams who are at least still in the
Speaker 4: College Football Playoff. When you see the size, the athleticism,
Speaker 4: the length, and you compare it to Indiana, it's just
Speaker 4: it feels still like a Cinderella story, even though I
Speaker 4: think they've proven to be more than that now and
Speaker 4: doing what they've done this season. And so look, in
Speaker 4: my heart, I'm rooting for them. I just I guess
Speaker 4: I got to see it to believe it. And I'm
Speaker 4: one hundred percent okay with that, and I one hundred
Speaker 4: percent would love to see them prove me wrong, and
Speaker 4: and look that numbers at seven points. It seems like
Speaker 4: a lot, but the people who make these lines tend
Speaker 4: to know what they're doing.
Speaker 3: It is radio format.
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Speaker 3: What are you doing right now?
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Speaker 2: All right, Patrick Sweek, our executive producer, what do we
Speaker 2: Who's got what today?
Speaker 5: We're gonna go rampid fire here, we got the good,
Speaker 5: the band and the ugly.
Speaker 3: Well, the good is.
Speaker 2: Mister Professor Stixon sale far you get to go for
Speaker 2: you're the good brother, all right.
Speaker 5: The good is I can get through ABC without messing up. Uh.
Speaker 3: And we have a lot of games tonight.
Speaker 5: You know this, This is obviously the start of the
Speaker 5: big games in the playoffs, So I'm excited about that.
Speaker 3: Super good. All right. Next up, we got the bad
Speaker 3: Brady Sheriff Queen. You're ready. Oh yeah, that's easy for me.
Speaker 4: It's SC's PR campaign and Lincoln Riley and talking that
Speaker 4: talk like Notre Dame tried to avoid them, and meanwhile,
Speaker 4: they can't beat a team that doesn't even have their
Speaker 4: starting quarterback in TCU guy through six.
Speaker 3: Pass attempts last night.
Speaker 4: So yeah, I'll say that's the bad is SC and
Speaker 4: where the program's at right now and trying to take
Speaker 4: shots at everyone else after they released a joint statement,
Speaker 4: but then just you know, going rogue again, doing their
Speaker 4: own thing.
Speaker 3: All right, I like it, I'll like it.
Speaker 2: And finally we got the ugly Sheriff Knox.
Speaker 3: You're up.
Speaker 2: It's the constant complaining about college football, whether it's you know,
Speaker 2: teams opting out, teams opting in players not participating bowl games,
Speaker 2: the college football playoff expansion, what can we do to
Speaker 2: improve things? It's just constantly complaining, constantly crying. I got
Speaker 2: news for you. We're not that far away from you
Speaker 2: looking around and realizing you've got to talk NBA. Okay,
Speaker 2: so enjoy it while you got it. Enjoy the sport
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Speaker 2: These are the real good games we've waiting for. It's
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Speaker 2: about it. That's my ugly for the week. How about that?
Speaker 3: Jus is ugly?
Speaker 2: Damn?
Speaker 3: Come on, it looks see the guy from the Hunger Games.
Speaker 3: What you don't think you do?
Speaker 2: You're talking about the guy from the first movie?
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, take that. He does look like the Hunger Game.
Speaker 3: Take that. Take