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What's New Year's even gonna look like? I 0:01:21.920 --> 0:01:23.480 don't know, man gett. 0:01:23.600 --> 0:01:27.160 I want to be probably probably start as soon as 0:01:27.160 --> 0:01:28.320 the show was over. 0:01:29.040 --> 0:01:34.039 It probably started yesterday already started continuing into today. They 0:01:34.160 --> 0:01:35.480 top golfed yesterday. 0:01:35.560 --> 0:01:38.759 So my son's actually a pretty doll going good golfer man, 0:01:38.880 --> 0:01:42.040 the younger one. So they went to golf have a 0:01:42.080 --> 0:01:42.880 good time doing that. 0:01:43.240 --> 0:01:44.440 Did you bring Monsy? Well? 0:01:44.480 --> 0:01:47.039 I know she loves top golf. I know and in 0:01:47.160 --> 0:01:51.600 Vegas too, of all places. We didn't take her yesterday. Sorry, 0:01:51.600 --> 0:01:52.040 what's up? 0:01:52.080 --> 0:01:57.840 Mancy? Might be we might need to retire that? 0:01:59.240 --> 0:02:02.320 All right? So you guys want to hear John Caspary 0:02:02.440 --> 0:02:06.160 bitch about uh about a situation that's currently going on 0:02:06.480 --> 0:02:11.040 in college basketball. He recruited me cal party did Where 0:02:11.080 --> 0:02:11.200 was he? 0:02:11.480 --> 0:02:13.280 Then? You mass? 0:02:13.560 --> 0:02:17.000 That was when he had us cambi in. Yeah, they 0:02:17.040 --> 0:02:20.160 had that year, that magical year they practiced on our court. 0:02:20.800 --> 0:02:23.400 He came there because his his head coach was my 0:02:23.520 --> 0:02:27.600 head coach. His college head coach was my high school 0:02:27.600 --> 0:02:29.960 head coach, and they were recruiting me. So they brought 0:02:29.960 --> 0:02:32.600 the team there to practice. He came and gave us 0:02:32.600 --> 0:02:33.280 a great speech. 0:02:33.360 --> 0:02:38.240 So, yeah, got recruited by coach cal Bob Huggins. 0:02:38.400 --> 0:02:39.880 Who else John Thompson. 0:02:40.040 --> 0:02:43.320 Hell yeah, yeah, that's what I'm talking about me. 0:02:44.639 --> 0:02:48.120 I had a few Villanova recruited me. I had a 0:02:48.120 --> 0:02:50.960 few few teams. You know that I just stopped growing, 0:02:51.120 --> 0:02:53.480 that's all, you know, that was the problem. I would 0:02:53.520 --> 0:02:55.720 have had to become a real basketball player if I 0:02:55.760 --> 0:02:58.760 was going to play basketball. It's too short to just 0:02:58.880 --> 0:02:59.440 use talent. 0:02:59.639 --> 0:03:01.960 So that's wild too, because how sorry you like six 0:03:02.040 --> 0:03:04.679 four six six four six four, it's like six y 0:03:04.720 --> 0:03:07.080 three just under six four, right. 0:03:06.919 --> 0:03:10.280 It's just funny though that like you're like this, yeah, 0:03:10.280 --> 0:03:11.800 but this is the way you're saying it, Like I'd 0:03:11.800 --> 0:03:14.600 have to become a real basketball player, which you know. 0:03:14.639 --> 0:03:16.600 For most people like I just I don't know. I 0:03:16.720 --> 0:03:17.760 think you were better than most. 0:03:19.120 --> 0:03:23.320 I had a vertical I could jump. I think what 0:03:23.480 --> 0:03:26.800 had people confused is I was getting rebounds over guys 0:03:26.800 --> 0:03:29.399 that were like six nine, six ten. But it's only 0:03:29.440 --> 0:03:32.520 because I could move quicker. You know, the taller they were, 0:03:32.560 --> 0:03:35.840 the slower they were, and I beat I beat quads up, 0:03:36.160 --> 0:03:39.400 elbowed quads, So you didn't get off the ground as quick, 0:03:39.440 --> 0:03:41.600 didn't move as quick. I was like a rockman. I 0:03:41.640 --> 0:03:44.160 was a work guy. I was gonna run, run, run, run, 0:03:44.280 --> 0:03:45.920 use my quicks off. 0:03:45.760 --> 0:03:46.280 The court too. 0:03:47.280 --> 0:03:53.120 Absolutely, Yeah ruined me. Basketball ruined me. Football saved me. 0:03:53.200 --> 0:03:56.160 Basketball ruined me. It's a different level of clout when 0:03:56.200 --> 0:03:58.320 you play basketball. Man, I ain't gonna lie to you 0:04:01.560 --> 0:04:04.160 like I was on the circus, you know, a bro. 0:04:04.280 --> 0:04:07.559 I was on the travel circuit and that that iso 0:04:07.720 --> 0:04:08.760 very different than football. 0:04:08.920 --> 0:04:10.080 Bob Huggins showed you the row. 0:04:10.200 --> 0:04:16.360 So hey, brouh, it's very different from football. I don't 0:04:16.360 --> 0:04:19.200 know why, like I was considered to be way handso 0:04:19.320 --> 0:04:22.119 murder being a basketball player than I was a football player. 0:04:22.120 --> 0:04:24.200 But it is what it is. It's still all worked 0:04:24.200 --> 0:04:25.640 out so well. 0:04:25.640 --> 0:04:27.680 I mean, the good news is you could probably go 0:04:27.680 --> 0:04:30.000 back and play now based on I got one year, 0:04:30.680 --> 0:04:33.039 based on what we've seen. So we talked about this 0:04:33.080 --> 0:04:34.520 a little bit yesterday on our show. 0:04:34.880 --> 0:04:35.480 Yes Wow. 0:04:35.800 --> 0:04:38.919 James Naji, who was a former NBA draft pick. He 0:04:39.040 --> 0:04:41.599 was the thirty first overall pick. I believe in twenty 0:04:41.640 --> 0:04:46.359 twenty three, he's with Baylor. Now he has now gone 0:04:46.480 --> 0:04:50.239 back and he's playing with Baylor, and so some people 0:04:50.279 --> 0:04:53.839 have not been thrilled about what he's going on. Yeah, 0:04:53.880 --> 0:04:56.760 it's the whole things wild. You got European players that 0:04:56.800 --> 0:04:59.120 are coming in that are all it just none of 0:04:59.160 --> 0:05:02.520 it makes any sense. And John Calipari decided, you know what, 0:05:02.600 --> 0:05:04.680 somebody's got to speak up. Let me be the guy. 0:05:05.520 --> 0:05:09.599 Well, look, I don't blame coaches. You know, I've got 0:05:09.600 --> 0:05:11.760 friends that are playing with twenty seven year olds and 0:05:11.800 --> 0:05:14.480 they feel bad. I said, don't feel bad. We don't 0:05:14.480 --> 0:05:17.520 have any rules. Why should you feel bad? But let 0:05:17.520 --> 0:05:24.000 me give you this real simple. The rules bees the rules. 0:05:24.960 --> 0:05:27.400 So if you put your name in the draft, I 0:05:27.480 --> 0:05:31.160 don't care if you're from Russia and you stay in 0:05:31.200 --> 0:05:35.359 the draft, you can't play college basketball. Well that's only 0:05:35.400 --> 0:05:40.120 for American kids. What if your name is in that 0:05:40.240 --> 0:05:44.360 draft and you got drafted, you can't play cup because 0:05:44.360 --> 0:05:48.880 that's our rule. Yeah, but that's only for American kids. Okay, okay, 0:05:48.920 --> 0:05:53.640 Now here's the next lawsuit. Well, we don't have a 0:05:53.800 --> 0:05:57.000 say over European players. You do if they're playing in 0:05:57.040 --> 0:06:00.280 college basketball. So that means you don't have a say 0:06:00.320 --> 0:06:03.680 over high school kids. So whatever a high school kid 0:06:03.760 --> 0:06:06.680 does before he comes here, don't you do one thing 0:06:06.720 --> 0:06:10.320 because there's a suit, Because what you're saying is if 0:06:10.360 --> 0:06:13.680 he's in Europe, we don't have the same rules. Does 0:06:13.720 --> 0:06:16.960 anybody care what this is doing for seventeen and eighteen 0:06:17.040 --> 0:06:21.480 year old American kids? Do you know what this opportunity 0:06:21.480 --> 0:06:24.279 has done for them and their families? There aren't gonna 0:06:24.320 --> 0:06:27.800 be any high school kids who other than dumb people 0:06:27.960 --> 0:06:31.240 like me are going to recruit high school kids. I 0:06:31.360 --> 0:06:34.880 get so much satisfaction out of coaching young kids and 0:06:35.000 --> 0:06:38.119 seeing them grow and make it and their family life 0:06:38.279 --> 0:06:40.560 changes that I'm gonna keep doing it. 0:06:40.880 --> 0:06:42.640 But why would anybody else? 0:06:42.920 --> 0:06:46.799 If you can get NBA players, G League players, guys 0:06:46.839 --> 0:06:49.599 that are twenty eight years old, guys from Europe? 0:06:49.960 --> 0:06:52.600 Do we really know their transcript? Do we have somebody 0:06:52.640 --> 0:06:55.440 over there? Do we really know their birth certificate? 0:06:56.400 --> 0:07:00.359 So that was John Calipari, let it be own his 0:07:00.400 --> 0:07:04.880 feelings on the situation involving guys returning to college basketball 0:07:05.279 --> 0:07:08.359 late into their twenties with eligibility still remaining in the 0:07:08.480 --> 0:07:13.520 NBA draft. Charlie Baker, the NCAA president, He responded with 0:07:13.600 --> 0:07:17.160 a statement, on Tuesday that said, quote, the NCAA is 0:07:17.200 --> 0:07:20.320 not and will not grant eligibility to any perspective or 0:07:20.360 --> 0:07:24.360 returning student athletes who have signed an NBA contract, including 0:07:24.440 --> 0:07:28.400 a two way contract. Calipari was on ESPN last night 0:07:28.480 --> 0:07:31.640 and said, well, they're moving the goalpost now because now 0:07:31.680 --> 0:07:34.720 it's if you haven't signed a contract, you can't come back. 0:07:34.800 --> 0:07:37.560 But when before it was if you are in the 0:07:37.640 --> 0:07:39.640 draft and you get drafted, that's it. 0:07:41.240 --> 0:07:45.880 And and they're saying that because of their legal expertise 0:07:46.120 --> 0:07:49.280 that someone's provided Charlie Baker, that they feel like they 0:07:49.280 --> 0:07:52.600 can say that and not get sued because every time 0:07:52.680 --> 0:07:57.080 the NCAA has gone, you know, up against the judicial system, 0:07:57.120 --> 0:08:01.240 they've lost. This is an inflection point for college sports, 0:08:01.280 --> 0:08:03.000 and it's one of the reasons like why on our 0:08:03.120 --> 0:08:06.560 show on two Pros, I've continually talked about this with 0:08:06.600 --> 0:08:09.840 you guys in regards to everything kind of seems up 0:08:09.840 --> 0:08:13.040 in the air, and basketball has been further ahead because 0:08:13.720 --> 0:08:15.800 there's been this whole you know, at first you could 0:08:15.800 --> 0:08:17.720 just leave right from high school and go to play 0:08:17.720 --> 0:08:20.480 professional basketball, and then it came back in with the 0:08:20.480 --> 0:08:23.160 one undone and John Calipari was one of the first 0:08:23.240 --> 0:08:28.680 to really embrace that and embody that, but even allowing 0:08:28.800 --> 0:08:33.720 that to take place was a step closer to completely 0:08:34.880 --> 0:08:41.280 disregarding the educational component and the developmental component. And there's 0:08:41.400 --> 0:08:44.120 elements of that that are still at play in college 0:08:44.160 --> 0:08:46.880 football right now, and that's brought forth by the transfer 0:08:46.920 --> 0:08:52.560 portal because that's now become big business. So I say 0:08:52.559 --> 0:08:56.240 it's an inflection point for college sports in general right 0:08:56.280 --> 0:09:00.120 now because we've almost looked at trying to like, in 0:09:00.160 --> 0:09:04.520 a way private ties this whole experience for young people 0:09:05.080 --> 0:09:09.040 and what this experience means. It used to mean development, 0:09:09.080 --> 0:09:10.600 It used to mean getting an education. 0:09:11.320 --> 0:09:12.400 It used to mean, you. 0:09:12.440 --> 0:09:16.080 Know, graduating with a degree, a platform, a network, and 0:09:16.120 --> 0:09:20.080 a foundation, where after you were rewarded with that, you'd 0:09:20.120 --> 0:09:22.600 move on into the private sect or you'd potentially be 0:09:22.679 --> 0:09:24.800 lucky enough to be one of the one to two 0:09:24.840 --> 0:09:27.199 to three percent, depending on the sport, to play professionally. 0:09:28.320 --> 0:09:32.360 But at some point that ends. And now we've looked 0:09:32.360 --> 0:09:34.760 at it's completely different. We're like, well, wait a second, 0:09:34.840 --> 0:09:39.160 these players should be compensated, and yet we haven't had 0:09:39.200 --> 0:09:43.120 anyone come up with a structure that allows both things 0:09:43.160 --> 0:09:46.360 to work where they can be compensated, yet at the 0:09:46.360 --> 0:09:49.480 same time, we can still keep the educational component there 0:09:49.520 --> 0:09:53.120 for them. So there's something for these young men and 0:09:53.160 --> 0:09:57.120 women when they get done with their playing careers to 0:09:57.200 --> 0:09:59.640 fall back on to then go search for whatever that 0:09:59.640 --> 0:10:00.560 next is. 0:10:01.800 --> 0:10:02.720 That's the tough part. 0:10:02.600 --> 0:10:05.040 About this whole conversation is as much as we want 0:10:05.080 --> 0:10:08.120 to make light of it and joke about it, there 0:10:08.200 --> 0:10:10.439 is a lot of people who are impacted at the 0:10:10.520 --> 0:10:13.800 high school level moving into college that are having opportunities 0:10:13.840 --> 0:10:17.000 taken away from people who already had that opportunity and 0:10:17.040 --> 0:10:19.600 they weren't good enough. And I'll even go as far 0:10:19.640 --> 0:10:22.840 as saying this the NCAA whimping out with how many 0:10:23.000 --> 0:10:26.040 eligibility waivers they've granted for a lot of players who 0:10:26.040 --> 0:10:27.560 are now playing, you know. 0:10:27.880 --> 0:10:30.200 Six seven years of college football. 0:10:30.600 --> 0:10:34.480 It's the same thing that same players taking up a 0:10:34.559 --> 0:10:38.319 high school players roster spot and his opportunity to crack 0:10:38.400 --> 0:10:40.839 into you know, onto the field and play and make 0:10:40.920 --> 0:10:41.800 his impact. 0:10:42.520 --> 0:10:46.240 But it's all because it's become big business. Now. I 0:10:46.920 --> 0:10:47.800 hate it where it's at. 0:10:47.840 --> 0:10:50.880 I understand why it's where it is, and I'm not 0:10:51.160 --> 0:10:54.079 like arguing for you know, student athletes not to be compensated, 0:10:55.200 --> 0:10:58.400 but there does need to be a reckoning where someone 0:10:58.520 --> 0:11:01.040 comes and saves the day. And I'm sorry, I'm just 0:11:01.120 --> 0:11:03.800 not a believer that the federal government is going to 0:11:03.840 --> 0:11:06.400 do it, even though it feels like every time Charlie 0:11:06.440 --> 0:11:10.559 Baker speaks he's begging Congress to step in and give 0:11:10.600 --> 0:11:12.240 them some sort of anti trust protection. 0:11:14.920 --> 0:11:18.800 I think it's a it's a tremendously large conversation that 0:11:18.880 --> 0:11:23.319 Kyler Perry opened because there are a lot of unknowns 0:11:23.360 --> 0:11:26.640 there are, and there are a lot of different different 0:11:26.640 --> 0:11:29.760 ways of doing things and different ways of seeing things. 0:11:29.840 --> 0:11:34.560 And that's by sport. I mean, it's it's touched into 0:11:34.679 --> 0:11:38.600 now the gender conversation. You don't even you know, need 0:11:38.640 --> 0:11:41.000 to go down that road right now, but I mean 0:11:41.200 --> 0:11:44.200 that is a conversation that's out there as well. You know, 0:11:44.320 --> 0:11:48.760 people's ability to compete and where they're competing at. You 0:11:48.800 --> 0:11:51.760 know that those lines have been now been crossed and 0:11:51.800 --> 0:11:55.960 have been blurred, and those conversations are ensuing. But you know, 0:11:56.120 --> 0:11:59.640 by sport, you're talking about people that are you know 0:11:59.679 --> 0:12:02.840 when they say to Euros, you know it costs more, 0:12:03.320 --> 0:12:07.200 it costs more to bring European players here to play 0:12:07.280 --> 0:12:11.440 for one, it costs more, and a lot of times 0:12:11.440 --> 0:12:15.680 they go straight from from high school to pro There 0:12:15.880 --> 0:12:18.880 is no light, there is no system set up the 0:12:18.880 --> 0:12:23.040 way it's set up here in America. And so if 0:12:23.080 --> 0:12:26.040 you're if you are living and dying by going after 0:12:26.200 --> 0:12:29.559 that that what you would call experience and trying to 0:12:29.559 --> 0:12:31.480 bring that here to be able to compete and win 0:12:31.520 --> 0:12:33.920 in the certain sports that exists. 0:12:34.520 --> 0:12:35.720 Yeah, you're you're right. 0:12:35.800 --> 0:12:39.400 It is going to hurt what takes place with high 0:12:39.400 --> 0:12:43.360 school kids and developmental situations because you're not looking to 0:12:43.480 --> 0:12:47.640 develop kids. It's so interesting, we'll say, We'll hear coaches 0:12:47.679 --> 0:12:50.760 say it's all about the development, it's all about the development. 0:12:50.800 --> 0:12:53.360 But you you go into their practices, whether it's football, 0:12:53.640 --> 0:12:57.320 whether it's basketball, baseball, hockey, whatever you choose the sport. 0:12:57.960 --> 0:12:59.840 A lot of times when you go to these colleges, 0:13:00.160 --> 0:13:07.760 they are not doing focused development periods like they used to. 0:13:08.240 --> 0:13:08.640 They're not. 0:13:09.240 --> 0:13:12.000 They get straight into it, they go right to it. 0:13:12.080 --> 0:13:17.640 No real development. And for what it's worth. The one 0:13:17.679 --> 0:13:20.920 thing that you mentioned Q that really is kind of 0:13:21.000 --> 0:13:26.600 becoming a scarcity is the educational component of it. You 0:13:26.679 --> 0:13:30.840 don't hear people speak on education. It's almost like the 0:13:30.960 --> 0:13:34.760 nil phase of where we are in college athletics has 0:13:34.880 --> 0:13:40.640 almost muted the conversation of how important education is in 0:13:40.679 --> 0:13:45.360 this scenario because most of the vast majority of these 0:13:45.400 --> 0:13:50.280 people will have to find a job post college career, 0:13:51.040 --> 0:13:55.680 the vast, vast, vast majority of them. And so now 0:13:55.720 --> 0:13:58.920 what are we doing. We're not only not preparing them 0:13:58.960 --> 0:14:00.960 to be able to compete, because we want them to 0:14:01.000 --> 0:14:04.839 be ready made to compete. Come in ready made. If 0:14:04.840 --> 0:14:09.080 you're not ready to go, then I'm going. 0:14:08.800 --> 0:14:09.800 With who is? 0:14:11.120 --> 0:14:15.880 But now you're also talking about those the expectations have 0:14:15.880 --> 0:14:20.120 have really really dowed in on what your obligations and 0:14:20.160 --> 0:14:24.880 your duties are to your team, to your team, and 0:14:24.920 --> 0:14:28.880 it only becomes an issue with your grades when your 0:14:28.960 --> 0:14:33.400 grades are an issue, right, it's not. It's not, oh, 0:14:33.440 --> 0:14:37.040 you didn't go to class, okay, like you're going to 0:14:37.040 --> 0:14:40.200 get in trouble for that. They have rules to govern like, 0:14:40.760 --> 0:14:43.280 you know, going to class and getting grades, but it's 0:14:43.360 --> 0:14:46.560 really not going to be a focal point until you've 0:14:46.600 --> 0:14:50.480 done something that gets you in trouble, you get bad grades, 0:14:50.520 --> 0:14:52.800 you're not going to class, whatever it may be. But 0:14:52.920 --> 0:14:56.480 it's not a main focal point of what's taking place. 0:14:57.120 --> 0:14:59.680 So I look at it like there's such as such 0:14:59.760 --> 0:15:03.080 a large conversation because the way we look at things. 0:15:03.120 --> 0:15:05.280 Yet you go, you enter your name into the draft, 0:15:05.280 --> 0:15:07.400 you can't come back. That's how I always thought it was, 0:15:08.040 --> 0:15:09.680 and I thought that is what it was. 0:15:10.120 --> 0:15:11.520 I think it was when you signed with an agent. 0:15:11.640 --> 0:15:13.720 But yeah, when you when you signed with I thought 0:15:13.720 --> 0:15:15.400 it was when you declare it for the draft. 0:15:15.640 --> 0:15:17.720 I don't know. And if you got drafted whatever it is, 0:15:17.920 --> 0:15:19.720 well for for basketball, excuse me? 0:15:20.000 --> 0:15:24.240 Right, Okay, So so again across sports, if you think 0:15:24.280 --> 0:15:27.720 about it, you can get drafted in hockey and still 0:15:27.960 --> 0:15:30.600 they go play. You can get drafted in baseball and 0:15:30.720 --> 0:15:33.520 still go play. You can be a pro in volleyball 0:15:33.800 --> 0:15:36.200 and still go play, you know what I mean. So 0:15:36.240 --> 0:15:39.960 it's like so many different different, uh you know, ways 0:15:40.440 --> 0:15:45.000 of how things are done by sport. It's this is 0:15:45.040 --> 0:15:47.880 going to be a very very difficult conversation to like 0:15:47.960 --> 0:15:49.240 come up with solutions for. 0:15:49.840 --> 0:15:52.480 Let me play Devil's advocate to you, Jonas in this situation, 0:15:52.520 --> 0:15:54.920 because wouldn't you look at this and just say, well, 0:15:55.000 --> 0:15:56.200 isn't that isn't. 0:15:55.960 --> 0:15:57.400 This how it's supposed to be done? 0:15:57.680 --> 0:16:00.000 Like don't you go to college, if you're a student 0:16:00.200 --> 0:16:01.480 to then figure out what you want to do, how 0:16:01.480 --> 0:16:02.400 are you gonna make money when. 0:16:02.320 --> 0:16:03.200 You get out? 0:16:03.280 --> 0:16:05.960 And if student athletes have already been able to do 0:16:06.000 --> 0:16:08.920 that at the college level, then yeah, I think we 0:16:09.000 --> 0:16:11.680 understand the long term impact or the long term risks 0:16:11.720 --> 0:16:14.280 that are involved if you don't get your degree. But 0:16:14.280 --> 0:16:17.480 if you're making money while you're doing that, Like, isn't 0:16:17.520 --> 0:16:18.600 that the entire goal? 0:16:19.400 --> 0:16:19.720 Yeah? 0:16:19.760 --> 0:16:21.520 And I look at it, and I've said this to 0:16:21.560 --> 0:16:26.600 you guys before, it doesn't feel like this is college 0:16:26.640 --> 0:16:31.200 sports anymore. It's this in between gray area between college 0:16:31.240 --> 0:16:35.480 and professional to where they're selling you the illusion of well, 0:16:35.840 --> 0:16:38.280 it's college and it's a college experience and it's this 0:16:38.400 --> 0:16:38.840 and it's that. 0:16:39.120 --> 0:16:43.640 But there's money. There's a lot of money. 0:16:43.920 --> 0:16:47.880 There's influence, there's agents, there's like all of these things 0:16:47.880 --> 0:16:51.080 that are that are now being factored into it. That's 0:16:51.160 --> 0:16:54.360 professional Like, that's pro sports. Like that's what you deal 0:16:54.400 --> 0:16:57.600 with at the pro level. And I don't begrudge any 0:16:57.600 --> 0:16:59.480 of them, because yes, like that is the goal. You 0:16:59.520 --> 0:17:01.680 go to college to find out what's my next step? 0:17:01.680 --> 0:17:04.879 What do I want to do in life? And they've 0:17:04.920 --> 0:17:08.520 figured this out and they're just like John Caliparty said 0:17:08.520 --> 0:17:10.959 it in the clip. He said, look, I got friends 0:17:10.960 --> 0:17:13.000 that are you know, kind of feel bad. I mean, 0:17:13.080 --> 0:17:17.520 I would you know, question that how bad they actually feel. Yeah, 0:17:17.520 --> 0:17:19.480 they've got twenty seven year olds on there on the table. 0:17:19.720 --> 0:17:23.679 But John Calparty's like, well, look, don't feel bad. We 0:17:23.720 --> 0:17:26.199 don't have any rules. There's nothing to govern all this. 0:17:26.600 --> 0:17:28.320 And so there is also. 0:17:28.119 --> 0:17:29.919 That John's the moral compass. 0:17:30.000 --> 0:17:31.840 Well, and that's the other thing too, Like you know, 0:17:31.920 --> 0:17:34.600 he made it a point, you know, to let everybody know, hey, listen, 0:17:34.720 --> 0:17:35.920 I recruit this way. 0:17:36.600 --> 0:17:39.359 He's self plugged. He definitely shamelessly plugged. 0:17:39.400 --> 0:17:41.159 He was. He was one of the first guys that 0:17:41.520 --> 0:17:43.480 went one and done all the way through. I mean, 0:17:43.760 --> 0:17:46.719 Brady knows his time in Kentucky, John Caliparty's time there. 0:17:46.840 --> 0:17:47.520 Bring it up now. 0:17:47.600 --> 0:17:50.520 So he's like he's I mean, look, he's one of 0:17:50.560 --> 0:17:52.320 the he's a Hall of Fame recruiter. 0:17:53.200 --> 0:17:56.040 Now what he's done with some of those teams. 0:17:56.040 --> 0:17:58.960 A little disappointed as far as the development, but again, 0:17:59.040 --> 0:18:00.760 you well, when you only have one year to make 0:18:00.800 --> 0:18:03.879 it work to your point, levard it's tough like that, 0:18:04.040 --> 0:18:05.800 and I think that's one of the issues too. With 0:18:06.200 --> 0:18:08.720 even looking at like college football, where you've got to 0:18:08.720 --> 0:18:10.600 be outle of high school for three years before your 0:18:10.760 --> 0:18:16.840 draft eligible. But nowadays coaches instead of looking at a 0:18:16.880 --> 0:18:19.119 guy that gets there in high school and maybe he 0:18:19.119 --> 0:18:20.840 has to put on twenty thirty pounds and maybe you 0:18:20.840 --> 0:18:22.960 has to learn how to play the position or learn 0:18:23.000 --> 0:18:25.639 their scheme and then and then adapt to you know, 0:18:25.680 --> 0:18:28.920 the challenges of being like a maturing adult with your 0:18:28.920 --> 0:18:31.919 time management, being away from home, all that stuff. You know, 0:18:31.960 --> 0:18:33.560 Now they just go, well, that guy's not ready, We're 0:18:33.560 --> 0:18:35.800 going to find some of the transfer portal that's right, 0:18:35.960 --> 0:18:38.240 and they bring in a guy who they've seen on 0:18:38.320 --> 0:18:40.760 film can do the things that they're looking for. And 0:18:40.920 --> 0:18:44.200 again that's NFL, that is free agency. That is exactly 0:18:44.280 --> 0:18:47.399 what's happening. And it's important too because you know, not 0:18:47.600 --> 0:18:51.280 it's not happening in college quite as much because there's 0:18:51.320 --> 0:18:53.800 so much money with somebody his head coaching positions, so 0:18:53.800 --> 0:18:56.800 the buyouts are too big. But you know, as far 0:18:56.800 --> 0:18:59.960 as being a one and done coach, but there's elements 0:19:00.080 --> 0:19:03.000 of I think for players and families and the frustration 0:19:03.160 --> 0:19:06.440 of not getting the development they're hoping for, at least 0:19:06.440 --> 0:19:08.919 at some places like I don't want to speak for 0:19:09.119 --> 0:19:11.840 everyone because everyone's you know, there's different schools that I 0:19:11.880 --> 0:19:15.200 think do it right, and I think there's you know, 0:19:15.359 --> 0:19:18.480 unique circumstances that are involved in some of this always. 0:19:18.480 --> 0:19:22.399 But for football, for sure, because it's such a developmental sport. 0:19:22.440 --> 0:19:25.280 You know, there's guys who their bodies changed dramatically. 0:19:26.280 --> 0:19:28.159 And for basketball, it's a little bit different because there 0:19:28.240 --> 0:19:30.840 they've always been on the fast track. They identify kids 0:19:30.880 --> 0:19:33.119 in junior high as you talked about when you're on 0:19:33.119 --> 0:19:35.919 that AAU circuit and you're one of those dudes like 0:19:35.960 --> 0:19:36.720 Cooper Flag. 0:19:37.200 --> 0:19:39.600 People knew about Cooper Flag for forever ago, now. 0:19:39.760 --> 0:19:43.359 Have you that's everybody and that And that's a great point, 0:19:43.359 --> 0:19:45.840 and I know we're up on it, but don't you 0:19:45.880 --> 0:19:48.520 think it now has to start earlier, like we have 0:19:48.600 --> 0:19:52.480 to like the way we approach athletics has to be 0:19:52.600 --> 0:19:56.440 looked at differently now. And it's interesting because it's something 0:19:56.440 --> 0:19:58.280 that I'm working on. I'm actually going to be teaching 0:19:58.320 --> 0:20:03.720 at Penn State upcoming semester. You have to learn teach. 0:20:05.119 --> 0:20:10.400 Arrington. You're not going to be you're being Professor Arrington. 0:20:10.720 --> 0:20:14.280 And part of writing the curriculum too, and you got 0:20:14.280 --> 0:20:14.840 to move there. 0:20:15.280 --> 0:20:15.920 What are you doing? 0:20:16.359 --> 0:20:19.000 Yeah, I know it has to It has to be 0:20:19.560 --> 0:20:25.679 a coming of uh of terms that extracurricular needs to 0:20:25.720 --> 0:20:30.160 be thrown out for sports. We've been brainwashed to look 0:20:30.200 --> 0:20:35.000 at sports as extra curricular. But there's so many opportunities 0:20:35.040 --> 0:20:40.000 that exist in sports, from agents to money managers, to 0:20:40.440 --> 0:20:46.400 legal representation, to the athlete themselves, to marketing and branding 0:20:46.640 --> 0:20:52.240 and advertising. There's so many opportunities that exist in the category. 0:20:52.920 --> 0:21:01.520 We have to stop segregating, separating athletics from amics. And 0:21:01.560 --> 0:21:03.520 I think that that's the biggest thing. We have been 0:21:03.600 --> 0:21:07.760 brainwashed from day one to think that everything else is 0:21:07.800 --> 0:21:08.400 more important. 0:21:08.440 --> 0:21:10.040 Go to school, what do you do? 0:21:10.080 --> 0:21:14.280 You take your classes, and then when you're done with school, 0:21:14.680 --> 0:21:19.679