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Speaker 1: What's upe You guys are listening to a Velvet Edge podcast.

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Speaker 1: This week, I had the chance to interview Jack Hittsim

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Speaker 1: who is a huge celebrity publicist in Los Angeles. He

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Speaker 1: specializes in crisis management, so obviously he's got stories for days.

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Speaker 1: Some of his clients include Erica Jane, Kim Zolciak, Nick Carter,

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Speaker 1: Kristin Cavalary and it's also used to write Paris Hilton

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Speaker 1: back in the day, so he gave me a couple

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Speaker 1: of fun facts about her that I was honestly shook by.

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Speaker 1: We also talked a lot about just the behind the

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Speaker 1: scenes of Hollywood. Um, he told me Hollywood's best kept secret.

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Speaker 1: I'm not even joking, and it's very surprising. We talked

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Speaker 1: through some fashion tips and it just idiot advice that

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Speaker 1: he would give to anyone trying to break into the

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Speaker 1: entertainment world. So it's super informative. Jack's also hilarious, so

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Speaker 1: I think you guys will enjoy Here's Jack. I knew

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Speaker 1: we were gonna be laughing before we even stopped. Hi, Jack,

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Speaker 1: I'm here with Jack Kensyan, who is a celebrity publicist

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Speaker 1: in Los Angeles. Actually, when I looked you up. It said,

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Speaker 1: you are a celebrity publicist who specializes in crisis management. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I know, scary but crazy, But I guess throughout my

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Speaker 1: career I've had girls who have been in more trouble

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Speaker 1: than you can imagine. Tell us more. I think here's

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Speaker 1: the thing. I think, every time I've ever worked with

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Speaker 1: the client, there's always been some kind of a crisis

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Speaker 1: management that it had to be that way. Like, you know,

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Speaker 1: I started young in the business, and then I got

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Speaker 1: promoted young in the business as well. So my first

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Speaker 1: client was Chris and Cavalry, who you know, sure a

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Speaker 1: lot of crisis management there, you know, through and then

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Speaker 1: my second kind was Paris Hilton. So good old days

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Speaker 1: to all the way to up until the end of

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Speaker 1: uh when the album was going to come out. That's

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Speaker 1: when we kind of stopped working together. Wow. So all

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Speaker 1: through her reality show All the Crates, didn't she have

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Speaker 1: a couple of sex tapes? She had a sex tape.

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Speaker 1: There was just one one. It was just one. There

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Speaker 1: was the other ones that was a rumored to be

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Speaker 1: out there, but actually never it really didn't exist. It

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Speaker 1: was just because you know those days where when the

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Speaker 1: sex tapes were hot. Now there's no one really cares

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Speaker 1: about the sex tape nowadays. I said, sex tapes are out,

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Speaker 1: it's all about the old celebrity tweets. Wait, what do

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Speaker 1: you mean. Well, all these celebrities are getting in trouble

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Speaker 1: for having like crazy tweets that they've tweeted with like

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Speaker 1: and most of them are like racist tweets that it's

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Speaker 1: coming back to hot damn. So I'm like, forget about

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Speaker 1: the sex tapes. It's all about what you tweeted back

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Speaker 1: in the day when you were like young and stupid, right,

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Speaker 1: I mean, I feel like now with sex tapes, it's

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Speaker 1: like everyone's seen what's happened in Kim Kardashi and they're like,

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Speaker 1: I'm putting a sex tape out, damn. Well, I mean

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Speaker 1: everyone tried, Like, you know, the last when we saw

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Speaker 1: was China. I missed that one. Did you watch it?

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Speaker 1: It's very slop kebab chopped lever like, actually, nothing exciting

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Speaker 1: about watching that one. So that's why I don't I

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Speaker 1: don't think maybe didn't go anywhere because nothing like racy

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Speaker 1: or crazy in there, and it's very boring. Well, also,

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Speaker 1: now there's so much porn out there. It's like, what

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Speaker 1: are you going to do her socks in the video?

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Speaker 1: Come on, why dare you? If you're going to make

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Speaker 1: a sex tape, the first thing that should come off

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Speaker 1: as your socks. Let's be real here, Hello, what's why?

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Speaker 1: Just bizarre? Like, I'm like, is that a thing? Did

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Speaker 1: you get more better orgasm? If you have your sax

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Speaker 1: on or something? Is that a thing? I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I don't know about that thing. If that's a thing,

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Speaker 1: maybe I'll try it. But naked unless you're doing something

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Speaker 1: outside somewhere in the public. Oh my god. So okay,

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Speaker 1: So christis banishment. I want to talk more about this

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Speaker 1: because I used to be a huge fan of scandals,

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Speaker 1: so of course that exactly what came into my mind,

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Speaker 1: is that, like what you do? Are you like the

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Speaker 1: Olivia Pope of celebrity explicity? Pretty much exactly what you do?

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Speaker 1: If there is something going on in the client's life

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Speaker 1: or something is a big scandal is brewing, then you

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Speaker 1: just have to figure out how do you how do

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Speaker 1: make it disappear? Nowadays it's really hard to do that.

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Speaker 1: Because of social media and the internet. You know, back

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Speaker 1: But now it's like it's in your face, you wouldn't

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Speaker 1: know about it. Yeah, what do you do about that?

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Speaker 1: Because I mean, if someone's filming something and posted on

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Speaker 1: I mean, sometimes here's the thing, if it depends on

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Speaker 1: then if you make a deal with them, then it

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Speaker 1: There's no control over it. That's why I think now

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Speaker 1: a lot of people are asking me a couple of

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Speaker 1: days ago, like why is and celebrities don't go out

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Speaker 1: anymore to clubs. I'm like, well, one reason is that

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Speaker 1: They're not really doing the club days anymore, but I

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Speaker 1: like it. It used to be. No, there's no secrecy.

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Speaker 1: We should mention two. We mentioned that you worked with

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Speaker 1: Kristen and you formerly worked with Paris Hilton. Some of

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Speaker 1: your other clients right now are Nick Carter, Erica, Jane,

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Speaker 1: Brian Knight, Kim Zolsiac and her whole clan, correct the

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Speaker 1: whole family, and the Key to Dragon, who's that huge

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Speaker 1: I mean we thout some stuff with Kim last year

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Speaker 1: with the Housewives that was really difficult. The Housewives are

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Speaker 1: at the moment. Everyone else has been very behaving for now.

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Speaker 1: So what is your worst nightmare as a publicist? Because

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Speaker 1: even just thinking of this, like, is it your fear

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Speaker 1: something's gonna be blown up on the internet that just

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Speaker 1: went terribly wrong. Always I get anxiety, and even now

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Speaker 1: when my phone rings, I get anxiety, especially if it's

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Speaker 1: But I'm like, if they're calling me, there must be

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Speaker 1: little bit scary. But I know, I think in the

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Speaker 1: a little smarter aware of it, more aware of your surroundings.

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Speaker 1: I mean the PR days ten years ago, it's completely

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Speaker 1: different PR nowadays. What do you mean, Well, back in

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Speaker 1: Now they's most clients, they're like, I don't want to

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Speaker 1: online because more eyeballs. You could have a great feature

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Speaker 1: hard to get something off of online. Right. Well, again,

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Speaker 1: go pay people off. I've never had to pay people off.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, so thinks people off. But I've had to

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Speaker 1: So it's just a matter of explinning it to what

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Speaker 1: If it's not worth why feel the fire. If they're

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Speaker 1: And I'm like, that's the worst thing you could ever

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Speaker 1: it on your Instagram, you're the followers that you have

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Speaker 1: now know about it. Well, right, you may get more

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Speaker 1: of a story. Christen's actually taught me that because people

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Speaker 1: are such haters on the internet, you know, and I

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Speaker 1: always want to fire back, Like I'm so Louisiana, so

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Speaker 1: I get real fiery when people start talking to me

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Speaker 1: get into it. Yeah. The funny it's I get hate

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Speaker 1: from people. Yeah, it's just the way it is. We

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Speaker 1: so they'll come after you. I used to say, Jesus

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Speaker 1: and hate on me. Clearly I did something correct. Or

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Speaker 1: of trouble, and he reached out to me one day

427
00:21:36,480 --> 00:21:38,479
Speaker 1: and asked me to hey, if I could meet him

428
00:21:38,480 --> 00:21:40,679
Speaker 1: for coffee, and we met, We hit it up and

429
00:21:40,720 --> 00:21:43,720
Speaker 1: became fast friends. So throughout the years we would do

430
00:21:43,760 --> 00:21:46,880
Speaker 1: this like kind of meeting every once once a month

431
00:21:47,000 --> 00:21:48,959
Speaker 1: or twice a month and just like sitting there and

432
00:21:49,040 --> 00:21:51,760
Speaker 1: just gaggling and having fun and talking about things that

433
00:21:51,800 --> 00:21:54,480
Speaker 1: we had seen or the scandals that were going on

434
00:21:54,560 --> 00:21:57,240
Speaker 1: going on in Hollywood and just like being just being

435
00:21:57,480 --> 00:22:03,440
Speaker 1: two girls basically. So as you know, this couple of

436
00:22:03,520 --> 00:22:05,720
Speaker 1: years ago, we and me and we were like we

437
00:22:05,760 --> 00:22:07,800
Speaker 1: need to write, Like, we need to write a book.

438
00:22:07,840 --> 00:22:11,920
Speaker 1: We have so many great stories that are behind the drama,

439
00:22:12,160 --> 00:22:15,000
Speaker 1: and there has never been a book that really opens

440
00:22:15,080 --> 00:22:19,879
Speaker 1: up the red vol the rope, sorry, and shows you

441
00:22:19,920 --> 00:22:23,119
Speaker 1: what really goes down in a pr for aspect. Well,

442
00:22:23,200 --> 00:22:25,480
Speaker 1: this is my question to you, because I find that

443
00:22:25,560 --> 00:22:27,679
Speaker 1: so fascinating. I also see a lot of behind the

444
00:22:27,680 --> 00:22:30,120
Speaker 1: scenes stuff and part of our job is to protect

445
00:22:30,119 --> 00:22:32,720
Speaker 1: those secrets, right Like, wouldn't you say as a publicist,

446
00:22:32,720 --> 00:22:35,840
Speaker 1: that's your biggest that's your biggest thing in the whole world,

447
00:22:35,880 --> 00:22:39,680
Speaker 1: no matter what. So that's why we became clever. And

448
00:22:40,680 --> 00:22:45,719
Speaker 1: each of the characters are based on certain people that

449
00:22:45,760 --> 00:22:48,119
Speaker 1: are some of them are two people in one and

450
00:22:48,160 --> 00:22:51,280
Speaker 1: we changed their nationality. We made them a boy into

451
00:22:51,320 --> 00:22:54,480
Speaker 1: a girl so that no one really the audience who

452
00:22:54,520 --> 00:22:56,320
Speaker 1: was reading it, they don't really get to guess what

453
00:22:56,400 --> 00:22:59,560
Speaker 1: these scandals are. So the whole the book books take

454
00:22:59,600 --> 00:23:03,600
Speaker 1: place in about a girl comes from a small town.

455
00:23:03,760 --> 00:23:05,760
Speaker 1: She moves to l a and starts working at a

456
00:23:05,760 --> 00:23:12,000
Speaker 1: PR firm shocker, and she makes it big because she's

457
00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:14,439
Speaker 1: always at you know, at the right place kind of

458
00:23:14,560 --> 00:23:17,119
Speaker 1: at the right time, and she knows what she's doing.

459
00:23:17,600 --> 00:23:20,840
Speaker 1: Sometimes she's lost too, but it's just about her journey

460
00:23:20,840 --> 00:23:23,440
Speaker 1: in the PR world. And then you know there's um.

461
00:23:23,480 --> 00:23:27,399
Speaker 1: She has to two friends and UM, and it's about

462
00:23:27,400 --> 00:23:30,760
Speaker 1: their life and what really goes down in that scandal

463
00:23:30,840 --> 00:23:33,560
Speaker 1: world that we live in. It kind of opens up that, Yeah,

464
00:23:33,560 --> 00:23:35,920
Speaker 1: it opens up the eye of the reader of like

465
00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:38,040
Speaker 1: what really goes down? And it's a quick read, which

466
00:23:38,080 --> 00:23:41,080
Speaker 1: is what we wanted. It's an easy read, and it

467
00:23:41,160 --> 00:23:44,320
Speaker 1: also just it's fun to read and people are It's

468
00:23:44,359 --> 00:23:48,840
Speaker 1: funny how different people have different reaction to it. And

469
00:23:49,080 --> 00:23:51,600
Speaker 1: the one number one question that we still get asked

470
00:23:51,640 --> 00:23:55,120
Speaker 1: about is is marriage is really arranged in Hollywood? Right?

471
00:23:55,160 --> 00:23:58,560
Speaker 1: I read a lot of stuff about that regarding these books,

472
00:23:58,600 --> 00:24:01,359
Speaker 1: but is it like what you hear about Okay, so

473
00:24:01,359 --> 00:24:03,920
Speaker 1: I always hear Tom Cruise it's like, oh, he's gay,

474
00:24:04,080 --> 00:24:06,119
Speaker 1: so we're gonna arrange. And I know you can't comment

475
00:24:06,200 --> 00:24:09,040
Speaker 1: on that, but that's just the well, that's what I mean.

476
00:24:09,040 --> 00:24:11,960
Speaker 1: He's not my client, but that's if everyone's kind of

477
00:24:12,040 --> 00:24:15,560
Speaker 1: look at his past and if you calculated directly, all

478
00:24:15,720 --> 00:24:20,520
Speaker 1: his um marriages last about two years and all of

479
00:24:20,560 --> 00:24:24,520
Speaker 1: the women he married, we're not as famous when they started,

480
00:24:24,680 --> 00:24:27,520
Speaker 1: and then it's catapulted their career. Well, here's the thing.

481
00:24:27,680 --> 00:24:32,280
Speaker 1: Any any actress in Hollywood who's struggling it could they

482
00:24:32,320 --> 00:24:37,879
Speaker 1: could become an overnight success if you're dating the right person. So,

483
00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:41,040
Speaker 1: as a publicist, is that something that you've ever had

484
00:24:41,080 --> 00:24:44,919
Speaker 1: to arrange or all the time what of course, or

485
00:24:45,160 --> 00:24:47,399
Speaker 1: or like have them be at the right place at

486
00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:50,800
Speaker 1: the right time. Oh my god, that's so interesting. And

487
00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:52,960
Speaker 1: also I'm just thinking in my head that Kristin told

488
00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:59,120
Speaker 1: me that her publicist, Jay's publicist set them up. Don't

489
00:24:58,480 --> 00:25:02,760
Speaker 1: don't you know? No, it's really it's really still happens.

490
00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:06,359
Speaker 1: And and also like especially sometimes a heartthrob will have

491
00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:10,399
Speaker 1: a movie coming out and they'll instead of him being singled,

492
00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:13,960
Speaker 1: they want them to have some kind of a scandaloust

493
00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:16,800
Speaker 1: or to talk about, so they'll put them with a girl.

494
00:25:17,680 --> 00:25:20,760
Speaker 1: So that's still happening currently. Well, now I have so

495
00:25:20,800 --> 00:25:26,359
Speaker 1: many questions. I'm like want to ask you, who can

496
00:25:26,520 --> 00:25:28,680
Speaker 1: so many I don't really want to out them out,

497
00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:33,520
Speaker 1: but there's so many. There's so many many in the book.

498
00:25:33,560 --> 00:25:36,960
Speaker 1: There's one starlet in Hollywood that she's been through now

499
00:25:37,040 --> 00:25:40,320
Speaker 1: four or five of them. What she's literally on that

500
00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:43,360
Speaker 1: mission to make keep her relevant as much as possible.

501
00:25:43,400 --> 00:25:46,280
Speaker 1: So do we know, like as a viewer, do we

502
00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:49,160
Speaker 1: know that or do we just look at it and go, oh,

503
00:25:49,320 --> 00:25:53,040
Speaker 1: poor girl, she's lost in love and poor girl. Wow?

504
00:25:53,840 --> 00:25:57,520
Speaker 1: Because it's all calculated correctly and it's done the right way,

505
00:25:57,640 --> 00:26:00,800
Speaker 1: and it's very much that my mom and is blown

506
00:26:00,920 --> 00:26:03,320
Speaker 1: right now, like I thought it happened a couple of times,

507
00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:05,840
Speaker 1: or like there was just you know, maybe someone who

508
00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:07,480
Speaker 1: was like, oh, it's not going to help my career

509
00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:09,320
Speaker 1: to be gay. I'm a heart throb or something, you

510
00:26:09,359 --> 00:26:13,040
Speaker 1: know for women, so that doesn't work. But no, this

511
00:26:13,080 --> 00:26:16,080
Speaker 1: happens all the time. This happens all the time. I mean,

512
00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:20,240
Speaker 1: being gay is acceptable now more than it totally to go.

513
00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:24,080
Speaker 1: But still there is also there's a lot of guys

514
00:26:24,200 --> 00:26:29,120
Speaker 1: who still have the hard time getting that leading role

515
00:26:30,040 --> 00:26:33,679
Speaker 1: or you know, being playing that leading role because you know,

516
00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:37,320
Speaker 1: people the audience really doesn't resonate because they're gay, so

517
00:26:37,359 --> 00:26:39,399
Speaker 1: I don't want to you know, so sad but true,

518
00:26:39,520 --> 00:26:42,040
Speaker 1: that's right. So they kind of have to stay in

519
00:26:42,040 --> 00:26:45,640
Speaker 1: the closet and protect their identity in order to play

520
00:26:45,680 --> 00:26:49,720
Speaker 1: that action hero or play that macho man that they're

521
00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:53,160
Speaker 1: supposed to play. So are people in Hollywood aware of that?

522
00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:56,159
Speaker 1: And the rest of us just aren't or Okay, so

523
00:26:56,200 --> 00:26:59,480
Speaker 1: you guys know too, and it's wow, there's some of

524
00:26:59,480 --> 00:27:01,560
Speaker 1: them a the I always that make this the worst

525
00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:05,920
Speaker 1: kept secret in Hollywood, But the outside world doesn't really

526
00:27:06,119 --> 00:27:08,440
Speaker 1: no idea they don't get it, and some people are

527
00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:12,399
Speaker 1: sadly just not that much in tune to it, or

528
00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:13,720
Speaker 1: they don't want to be. They don't want to be.

529
00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:16,720
Speaker 1: You want to you want to believe in the love story. Wow.

530
00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:21,000
Speaker 1: So in this book, you guys write a fictional characters

531
00:27:21,119 --> 00:27:24,440
Speaker 1: and it's exactly version of that, and she's navigating all

532
00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:28,600
Speaker 1: with all different troubles and situations that she gets involved

533
00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:32,320
Speaker 1: in or her clients are in this situation. She has

534
00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:35,640
Speaker 1: a fun crazy boss who's you know, she's out there

535
00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:39,800
Speaker 1: the biggest personality and she's really funny and a lot

536
00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:42,280
Speaker 1: of people love her reading about her. So it's just

537
00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:46,280
Speaker 1: it's basically just navigating in the Hollywood, in the pr

538
00:27:46,320 --> 00:27:49,000
Speaker 1: world and just gives you the glimpse of the inside

539
00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:51,359
Speaker 1: that no one really has been able to see or

540
00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:55,399
Speaker 1: talk about, but in a fun way. But they're based

541
00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:59,240
Speaker 1: on true stories, all true stories, fictional characters. We say, okay,

542
00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:01,680
Speaker 1: so did anyone get pissed at you? And the book

543
00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:06,840
Speaker 1: came out like old clients or something? Um, yeah, I

544
00:28:06,840 --> 00:28:08,600
Speaker 1: don't have to say. Who would tell us a story

545
00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:11,359
Speaker 1: I had? I gotten a phone call and it was

546
00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:14,520
Speaker 1: basically saying that I heard that you did a book,

547
00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:18,800
Speaker 1: and it's about what has transpired that we've been through together.

548
00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:22,440
Speaker 1: And I said, yes, I said, I've I just want

549
00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:24,359
Speaker 1: to assure you that I'm happy to send you the

550
00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:27,080
Speaker 1: books that you could read it. And um, there's nothing

551
00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:29,399
Speaker 1: in there that anyone is gonna know that it is

552
00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:32,160
Speaker 1: you or you're gonna be out it unless you want

553
00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:34,399
Speaker 1: to go on you know, national TV and do it yourself.

554
00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:38,280
Speaker 1: That's your problem, not mine. So that was it. And

555
00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:42,360
Speaker 1: then um, then up reading it, got a text saying

556
00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:48,520
Speaker 1: I hate you okay bye. That was it. Um, but

557
00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:52,680
Speaker 1: also a certain family who was afraid of it too,

558
00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:55,960
Speaker 1: And UM, I know that they called People magazine trying

559
00:28:55,960 --> 00:28:57,800
Speaker 1: to get a copy of it, and we got the

560
00:28:57,840 --> 00:29:00,160
Speaker 1: phone call. But it was I'm like, there's nothing this

561
00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:03,720
Speaker 1: book about you guys whatsoever. So I cannot wait to

562
00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:06,680
Speaker 1: read this now. It says on the front, a sexy

563
00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:11,720
Speaker 1: fun read it is it is so speaking of facades

564
00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:13,800
Speaker 1: in Hollywood. I read somewhere else that you said Paris

565
00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:18,160
Speaker 1: Hilton is actually smart. She's very smart. What yes, so

566
00:29:18,360 --> 00:29:21,760
Speaker 1: like a businesswoman smart smart. I mean, here's the thing.

567
00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:23,640
Speaker 1: A lot of people just look at her as the

568
00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:26,160
Speaker 1: girl from Simple Life, the girl from simple life has

569
00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:31,320
Speaker 1: an empire behind her. She has over footy something stores

570
00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:34,720
Speaker 1: around the world that's sell nothing but Paris Hilton merchandise.

571
00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:39,600
Speaker 1: She's huge in like Japan, beyond belief um. And then

572
00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:43,280
Speaker 1: she's the most successful perfume you know, celebrity who has

573
00:29:43,360 --> 00:29:45,680
Speaker 1: perfume lines out of any of the celebrities that are

574
00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:48,719
Speaker 1: out there. I think she's going on to her thirty

575
00:29:48,800 --> 00:29:54,760
Speaker 1: eight scent. That's crazy. So I mean, if not by

576
00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:59,840
Speaker 1: being dumb, you're not really going to be where you are. Also,

577
00:29:59,880 --> 00:30:01,360
Speaker 1: on topic that likes to be, let's be honest, and

578
00:30:01,480 --> 00:30:03,440
Speaker 1: as bunch of people want to hate on her and

579
00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:06,360
Speaker 1: complain about her. DJing Girls still bringing a million dollar

580
00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:10,160
Speaker 1: check from Europe for DJ sets for one jets I

581
00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:12,640
Speaker 1: think I think three days or two day DJ said

582
00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:15,600
Speaker 1: she gets at least a million dollars, So she knows

583
00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:17,440
Speaker 1: what she's doing. She knows what she's doing. It's so

584
00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:19,959
Speaker 1: weird because like I feel like since the Kardashians kind

585
00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:22,360
Speaker 1: of took over, I don't hear I don't She's not

586
00:30:22,360 --> 00:30:25,200
Speaker 1: on my radar as much for some reason, but recently

587
00:30:25,280 --> 00:30:28,720
Speaker 1: someone said that about just in Asia, she is like huge.

588
00:30:28,840 --> 00:30:34,200
Speaker 1: People die, it's all about like, yeah, ways people want

589
00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:36,479
Speaker 1: to call it like she's you know, she has her

590
00:30:36,760 --> 00:30:41,520
Speaker 1: presidency down there, wow, and then in Asia it's unbelievable.

591
00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:44,800
Speaker 1: But I think worldwide, I think the people more are

592
00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:47,360
Speaker 1: obsessed with her and care about her. I think the

593
00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:50,000
Speaker 1: US is more kind of have gone down. She's kind

594
00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:52,760
Speaker 1: of like made her way back into US at the moment.

595
00:30:53,040 --> 00:30:55,640
Speaker 1: There's a lot of more attention on to her, especially

596
00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:57,600
Speaker 1: with the wedding. What's happening? And I know, I'm thinking

597
00:30:57,600 --> 00:30:59,600
Speaker 1: of every wedding now, I'm like, wait, wait, so the

598
00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:02,680
Speaker 1: weddings off? Was that a scandal? I mean, was that

599
00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:05,960
Speaker 1: it like a complete facade? I don't know, honestly, but

600
00:31:06,440 --> 00:31:08,760
Speaker 1: and that's off. So I think in the US there,

601
00:31:08,800 --> 00:31:10,960
Speaker 1: you know, people are paying more attention now than I

602
00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:14,640
Speaker 1: think before. But she's made a really good living out

603
00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:17,760
Speaker 1: of herself. I don't think she has any problems. Are

604
00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:21,840
Speaker 1: there any other like major Hollywood facades that we need

605
00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:24,000
Speaker 1: to know about as a public, like you know, like

606
00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:27,200
Speaker 1: relationships or what else would there be? I mean, this

607
00:31:27,280 --> 00:31:30,160
Speaker 1: whole Paris Hilton thing is kind of a stick, right, Like,

608
00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:33,760
Speaker 1: I mean the biggest facade I would say would be

609
00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:38,680
Speaker 1: the setup relationships um, and then after that is just

610
00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:41,680
Speaker 1: like some people have gone to an extent when they

611
00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:44,400
Speaker 1: drop off the map, They've gone to an extent to

612
00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:49,760
Speaker 1: fake uh you know, addiction, fake addiction. It's the most

613
00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:52,680
Speaker 1: fucked up thing I've ever heard. People will do anything

614
00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:57,040
Speaker 1: to get him back there. Because here's the thing. Hollywood

615
00:31:57,120 --> 00:32:02,000
Speaker 1: loves when someone has been trenches and they've been you know,

616
00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:05,640
Speaker 1: put through something, because they all, we all have a

617
00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:10,120
Speaker 1: comeback story, come back. So some crazy people who believe

618
00:32:10,120 --> 00:32:13,440
Speaker 1: it or not have me for some reason, thought it

619
00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:15,520
Speaker 1: would be a great idea to have an addiction or

620
00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:17,959
Speaker 1: go to we have to to come out looking like

621
00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:22,080
Speaker 1: roses and restart their career. Oh my god. I mean

622
00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:24,400
Speaker 1: it is like so cut throat here. I feel like

623
00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:27,120
Speaker 1: it's that way in Nashville too. There's there's things like

624
00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:29,000
Speaker 1: there's you know, behind the scenes stuff that we all know,

625
00:32:29,120 --> 00:32:32,360
Speaker 1: but Hollywood seems just like another level. Well, I think

626
00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:35,080
Speaker 1: it's so hard for these people sometimes even if you

627
00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:38,200
Speaker 1: look at it. You when you're on in demand, everyone

628
00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:41,400
Speaker 1: is pulling you in every single direction, so you're getting

629
00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:44,320
Speaker 1: all these attention and there comes one day, all of

630
00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:48,120
Speaker 1: a sudden, all that is gone and you're alone the

631
00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:51,080
Speaker 1: only people that you have work who are there for you.

632
00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:53,720
Speaker 1: It's the people who are you who who basically you're

633
00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:55,800
Speaker 1: paying them to be around you, which is crazy, but

634
00:32:56,160 --> 00:32:59,800
Speaker 1: everything everyone else is gone. You're the groupies that you

635
00:32:59,840 --> 00:33:01,680
Speaker 1: were hanging out with because you were able to buy

636
00:33:01,720 --> 00:33:04,600
Speaker 1: bottles of service in things at the club, or they

637
00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:08,120
Speaker 1: were getting free perks out of you. Is is just poof,

638
00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:11,400
Speaker 1: They're gone. So that's hard. You know, you go from

639
00:33:11,520 --> 00:33:14,960
Speaker 1: being top top match celebrity to being the dealist of

640
00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:18,720
Speaker 1: the totem pole. Not even paparazzi's following you, nobody's asking

641
00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:21,920
Speaker 1: for autographs, no one can even recognize you. So it's

642
00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:25,600
Speaker 1: really hard for sometimes for these celebrities who have had

643
00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:27,880
Speaker 1: that and then they lose it completely, so they just

644
00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:31,040
Speaker 1: get desperate to stay relevant pretty much you have to

645
00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:34,080
Speaker 1: from then. And also some of them that have didn't

646
00:33:34,120 --> 00:33:39,320
Speaker 1: really think about investing, so they're broke ass. So from

647
00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:41,840
Speaker 1: your perspective as someone who's been in the scene for

648
00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:44,040
Speaker 1: so long, like how have you kept your head on straight?

649
00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:46,560
Speaker 1: Here's the thing I think one thing you have to

650
00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:48,240
Speaker 1: I always say when I work with someone, you have

651
00:33:48,280 --> 00:33:52,120
Speaker 1: to think about the longevity and quality over quantity. Press.

652
00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:54,800
Speaker 1: You have to think about that. And also if you

653
00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:58,360
Speaker 1: keep it classy, keep it cool, and keep it relevant

654
00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:01,000
Speaker 1: on what's happening and what's going on with with the

655
00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:05,120
Speaker 1: changes that are happening with our society, then you'll stay relevant.

656
00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:07,200
Speaker 1: But if you're going to be old and staled and

657
00:34:07,280 --> 00:34:13,239
Speaker 1: good luck to you. Jesus loves you too. So you know,

658
00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:16,920
Speaker 1: I just gotta be relevant with the times. Um, you know,

659
00:34:17,040 --> 00:34:19,239
Speaker 1: keep the I always say, you know, as much as

660
00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:21,680
Speaker 1: people want everyone to be an open book, the little

661
00:34:21,680 --> 00:34:25,320
Speaker 1: bit of the mystery is always good to have because

662
00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:27,680
Speaker 1: then I'm going to crave more. But if you're like

663
00:34:27,719 --> 00:34:29,760
Speaker 1: a total open book, I don't want to be around.

664
00:34:30,239 --> 00:34:32,919
Speaker 1: You've already already seen everything. What is what is there

665
00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:35,680
Speaker 1: more left to to know about you? You know, you

666
00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:39,520
Speaker 1: talked about everything about your life. Great, you're gonna be hot.

667
00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:42,160
Speaker 1: Now come and talk to me in six months. Are

668
00:34:42,200 --> 00:34:44,120
Speaker 1: you really going to be relevant in six months? No

669
00:34:44,120 --> 00:34:46,960
Speaker 1: one knows. Probably not gott to leave a little mystery.

670
00:34:47,239 --> 00:34:49,760
Speaker 1: We gotta leave a little bit of a mystery because

671
00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:52,200
Speaker 1: you want them to. You know, like that person I

672
00:34:52,200 --> 00:34:55,560
Speaker 1: think who's done that really well is Beyonce for sure.

673
00:34:55,640 --> 00:34:59,319
Speaker 1: You know, even though she's you know, she's she's she

674
00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:02,040
Speaker 1: gives you, she lets you into her life, but not

675
00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:04,960
Speaker 1: as much as you want to be in there. No,

676
00:35:05,120 --> 00:35:07,439
Speaker 1: she does a documentary and then she disappears for six

677
00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:09,600
Speaker 1: months or whatever. Yeah, it's kind of done in a

678
00:35:09,680 --> 00:35:12,319
Speaker 1: really clever way. You see things, but you still don't.

679
00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:15,800
Speaker 1: You still don't know her. That's so true, but you don't.

680
00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:18,200
Speaker 1: So I think one thing she's done that with her

681
00:35:18,239 --> 00:35:20,600
Speaker 1: life and with her career I think is amazing because

682
00:35:20,600 --> 00:35:23,440
Speaker 1: she's kept that mystery going and we're still interested, like

683
00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:26,680
Speaker 1: no tomorrow, and that's what it. You know, it's about that.

684
00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:29,759
Speaker 1: I think you have to keep it to that. So

685
00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:32,000
Speaker 1: when you were writing the book, how did you worry

686
00:35:32,040 --> 00:35:33,799
Speaker 1: that you were going to lose all your clients about

687
00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:36,400
Speaker 1: putting that stuff out there? At first? I did? That

688
00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:39,680
Speaker 1: was so you know, we it took us about almost

689
00:35:39,840 --> 00:35:42,279
Speaker 1: three years, four years. You know, we had a lot

690
00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:46,040
Speaker 1: of nose, a lot of doors were closed. Nobody wanted

691
00:35:46,120 --> 00:35:49,040
Speaker 1: to touch us or talk to us or even read

692
00:35:49,080 --> 00:35:52,920
Speaker 1: the manuscript. And and then the publishers were all asking

693
00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:55,480
Speaker 1: for a tell all and I was like, that's one

694
00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:56,839
Speaker 1: thing I said to Kevin. I was like, I would

695
00:35:56,880 --> 00:35:58,840
Speaker 1: never do a tell all. I would never out anybody.

696
00:35:58,840 --> 00:36:01,719
Speaker 1: I would never tell the truth about anybody because I

697
00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:04,319
Speaker 1: have a career. I still want to continue having my

698
00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:07,680
Speaker 1: career after this book. So that was the biggest challenge

699
00:36:07,719 --> 00:36:10,440
Speaker 1: for me. Is is the fact that I didn't want

700
00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:13,319
Speaker 1: to sell myself out and I wanted to keep it

701
00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:16,000
Speaker 1: classy and correct than the way it was supposed to

702
00:36:16,040 --> 00:36:20,319
Speaker 1: be without hurting anybody's feeling or outing anyone, because that's

703
00:36:20,360 --> 00:36:23,520
Speaker 1: not the it's not a good feeling. So that was

704
00:36:23,560 --> 00:36:25,440
Speaker 1: the biggest thing that that's why we kept it. Two,

705
00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:29,439
Speaker 1: we made into certain people, into certain characters, so they

706
00:36:29,560 --> 00:36:31,520
Speaker 1: kind of don't really get to know who they are.

707
00:36:32,600 --> 00:36:34,319
Speaker 1: You don't, actually you don't and never no one. I

708
00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:36,680
Speaker 1: can't figure out who the real person. People have tried

709
00:36:36,719 --> 00:36:41,680
Speaker 1: to guess for a long time and they've all been wrong. Um,

710
00:36:41,719 --> 00:36:45,120
Speaker 1: the only person who have guessed that correctly is my

711
00:36:45,200 --> 00:36:48,160
Speaker 1: best friends who have known my me for many years,

712
00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:51,120
Speaker 1: probably the real stories. They know the real stories, and

713
00:36:51,160 --> 00:36:54,600
Speaker 1: they know some of the needy, greedy stuff in my life.

714
00:36:54,840 --> 00:36:58,080
Speaker 1: So those are the only people who have actually guess

715
00:36:58,120 --> 00:37:01,520
Speaker 1: who who it is. Interest time, Okay, let's talk about

716
00:37:01,560 --> 00:37:04,839
Speaker 1: fashion a little bit. Hey, I think the subject would

717
00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:07,960
Speaker 1: be so Jack can be seen with us. This season

718
00:37:08,080 --> 00:37:11,040
Speaker 1: one very cavaliery one. Season two, you made some old

719
00:37:11,080 --> 00:37:16,319
Speaker 1: fashioned statements this season. Do you remember the Versachi road way?

720
00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:18,760
Speaker 1: Did that make it into the Palm Springs episode? Did

721
00:37:19,040 --> 00:37:21,279
Speaker 1: it was? It was in there for sure. I was

722
00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:24,000
Speaker 1: so disappointed because they say it was a total like

723
00:37:24,200 --> 00:37:26,960
Speaker 1: pajama party, and then I walked in and all you

724
00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:29,640
Speaker 1: guys were your sweats. I'm like, where's the pajamas? That's

725
00:37:29,640 --> 00:37:32,279
Speaker 1: what I mean. Okay, first of all, to say like

726
00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:34,840
Speaker 1: pajama party, I'm like, you guys don't want me really

727
00:37:34,840 --> 00:37:37,680
Speaker 1: in my pajamas on national television because they're not cute. Like,

728
00:37:38,080 --> 00:37:40,799
Speaker 1: by the way, it's like an oversized T shirt, you know,

729
00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:44,360
Speaker 1: nothing sexy. So we did try to do casual sweats.

730
00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:47,680
Speaker 1: Kristen wore these little bikers, but then Jack shows up.

731
00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:50,800
Speaker 1: I was full blown in my First of all, I

732
00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:53,040
Speaker 1: don't own any pajamas. Believe it or not, I don't.

733
00:37:53,080 --> 00:37:54,960
Speaker 1: I mean, I actually do believe that about you. I

734
00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:57,000
Speaker 1: feel like you're a sleepnked kind of person. I am.

735
00:37:57,360 --> 00:38:00,879
Speaker 1: I just underwear, that's it. But I was like, this

736
00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:03,200
Speaker 1: is closest enough to do it, so because I thought

737
00:38:03,239 --> 00:38:05,160
Speaker 1: everyone was going to be all in there like fancy

738
00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:13,239
Speaker 1: cute little lingerie like have you met Usual? And I

739
00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:19,000
Speaker 1: was like, what happened? He was in this like versaccy robe.

740
00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:20,960
Speaker 1: This is I think it was episode two. We went

741
00:38:21,080 --> 00:38:25,320
Speaker 1: upon Spurry and then my favorite that has not aired

742
00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:28,799
Speaker 1: yet is the onesie at the pool in Mexico. Oh

743
00:38:28,840 --> 00:38:30,839
Speaker 1: my god. I had to wear a onesie because, first

744
00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:33,480
Speaker 1: of all, as you do big as a house. Oh

745
00:38:33,560 --> 00:38:37,120
Speaker 1: my god. I was like, I need big glasses that

746
00:38:37,520 --> 00:38:39,959
Speaker 1: I had in a onesie and I'll be fine. Where

747
00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:42,799
Speaker 1: does where does one even find a onesie swimsuit like that?

748
00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:47,319
Speaker 1: Amazon shouldn't have even asked where you find everything else?

749
00:38:47,320 --> 00:38:50,320
Speaker 1: In his life? I mean literally, it was fifteen dollars

750
00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:52,800
Speaker 1: on Amazon. Believe it or not. It was the best

751
00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:56,000
Speaker 1: thing I've ever bought in my life for nothing. So

752
00:38:56,040 --> 00:38:58,719
Speaker 1: what is your if you have a number one fashion philosophy,

753
00:38:58,760 --> 00:39:01,160
Speaker 1: because I feel like you like to make bold statements.

754
00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:05,319
Speaker 1: I always say, get the most expensive shoes and you're

755
00:39:05,360 --> 00:39:07,480
Speaker 1: good to go. If your shoes look good, then no

756
00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:09,920
Speaker 1: matter what you wear, you're gonna look good with so

757
00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:12,640
Speaker 1: expensive shoes. That's where you shouldn't drop the money. That's

758
00:39:12,640 --> 00:39:15,040
Speaker 1: where I try to drop the money, because fashion is

759
00:39:15,160 --> 00:39:17,880
Speaker 1: one thing is it's so ever changing right now, especially

760
00:39:17,880 --> 00:39:21,560
Speaker 1: with sass fashion being so popular with everybody. Um so

761
00:39:21,600 --> 00:39:23,239
Speaker 1: it's like you could, even though you could go and

762
00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:25,160
Speaker 1: spend the money on the ten thousand dollar jacket, the

763
00:39:25,239 --> 00:39:27,200
Speaker 1: jacket is going to be gone within a month, nobody's

764
00:39:27,200 --> 00:39:30,000
Speaker 1: going to care anymore about it. And also now I

765
00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:33,280
Speaker 1: feel like it's most people are shopping on the designer

766
00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:37,239
Speaker 1: resell websites because whatever you wanted a month ago, we'll

767
00:39:37,239 --> 00:39:39,760
Speaker 1: be there in in less than a couple of weeks.

768
00:39:40,520 --> 00:39:43,200
Speaker 1: The real things like that. Yeah, I was just looking

769
00:39:43,239 --> 00:39:46,200
Speaker 1: on the real real actually, and all the Louis Baton

770
00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:49,120
Speaker 1: Virgin of Dual stuff is already on there, and that

771
00:39:49,160 --> 00:39:51,399
Speaker 1: stuff is so expensive. I'm like, so why do even

772
00:39:51,440 --> 00:39:53,520
Speaker 1: spend that money when you could go on the real

773
00:39:53,640 --> 00:39:57,640
Speaker 1: real and shop get it for half the price. By

774
00:39:57,640 --> 00:40:00,040
Speaker 1: by those shoes, that's gonna last you at least a

775
00:40:00,239 --> 00:40:04,040
Speaker 1: good year, if not less how often you wear them

776
00:40:04,120 --> 00:40:06,680
Speaker 1: and then paired with something cute and so it's gonna

777
00:40:06,719 --> 00:40:08,960
Speaker 1: work no matter what. It's funny you say that. I

778
00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:11,680
Speaker 1: actually I just bought my first pair of Lubutan's this year,

779
00:40:12,560 --> 00:40:17,719
Speaker 1: I finally made this splir comfortable because so I think

780
00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:21,640
Speaker 1: the trick about Christian batana is that people don't really

781
00:40:21,719 --> 00:40:26,040
Speaker 1: understand there the it's made for Italian woman. And what

782
00:40:26,320 --> 00:40:28,840
Speaker 1: explanation to me was the fact that the arches for

783
00:40:28,920 --> 00:40:33,000
Speaker 1: Italian women are a lot shortened than arches for American women. Oh,

784
00:40:33,040 --> 00:40:35,000
Speaker 1: I didn't know that that's rights for the American woman.

785
00:40:35,040 --> 00:40:39,520
Speaker 1: It's not comfortable. Well the arch Yeah, Like honestly, usually

786
00:40:39,560 --> 00:40:41,480
Speaker 1: I'm wearing them at night because I got the heels

787
00:40:41,640 --> 00:40:43,640
Speaker 1: just to paste it black. You just you just need

788
00:40:43,680 --> 00:40:46,120
Speaker 1: a good pair of those. But usually I'm having a

789
00:40:46,120 --> 00:40:49,960
Speaker 1: cocktail and thank god, because they're just not that comfortable.

790
00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:52,960
Speaker 1: But for me, I'll take it. I just feel great

791
00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:55,160
Speaker 1: in them. Well here's things. Why don't you rub some

792
00:40:55,200 --> 00:40:58,279
Speaker 1: cbdoi in New York. Oh, that's a good idea. Like

793
00:40:58,320 --> 00:41:02,520
Speaker 1: the New Rage, everyone is putting CBD oil on your

794
00:41:02,600 --> 00:41:05,000
Speaker 1: feet so kind of numbs it and makes it feel good.

795
00:41:05,280 --> 00:41:07,080
Speaker 1: I don't even thought about that. Do you know? This

796
00:41:07,080 --> 00:41:08,719
Speaker 1: is gonna make me sounds so old? But mine is

797
00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:12,239
Speaker 1: my ankles, But like I have like lobbly ankles when

798
00:41:12,280 --> 00:41:15,520
Speaker 1: I wear them. Guys, you're gonna have to God, it's

799
00:41:15,520 --> 00:41:19,360
Speaker 1: gonna make me like loose ankle to be falling everywhere. No,

800
00:41:19,560 --> 00:41:22,520
Speaker 1: fashion is a big important I think in our everyday

801
00:41:22,560 --> 00:41:26,479
Speaker 1: life now, especially with Instagram. My mom always announce says

802
00:41:26,520 --> 00:41:30,080
Speaker 1: she's like the Instagram makes people go to bankrupts because

803
00:41:30,080 --> 00:41:33,319
Speaker 1: they want to post something to every day and why

804
00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:37,240
Speaker 1: is and then Facebook relief relationships like okay, Mom, Greig.

805
00:41:37,719 --> 00:41:40,399
Speaker 1: But I don't think she's wrong. I don't think she's wrong.

806
00:41:40,440 --> 00:41:43,560
Speaker 1: I think she's onto something here for sure. But it's

807
00:41:43,600 --> 00:41:47,359
Speaker 1: just so it's hard to keep up. Everybody's always trying

808
00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:49,560
Speaker 1: to keep up though. In Instagram is such a facade.

809
00:41:49,640 --> 00:41:51,000
Speaker 1: I have to talk about that all the time. I

810
00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:53,239
Speaker 1: have a Instagram business, and I still want to say

811
00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:56,960
Speaker 1: that because it's not real life. No, nothing is real anymore.

812
00:41:57,120 --> 00:41:59,560
Speaker 1: I mean people make sometimes they're like, wait, I just

813
00:41:59,560 --> 00:42:01,360
Speaker 1: saw you, but you posted something you were at the

814
00:42:01,400 --> 00:42:03,799
Speaker 1: snow Yeah, because I was there like six months ago

815
00:42:03,840 --> 00:42:06,360
Speaker 1: in a picture because I was saving very forward for

816
00:42:06,440 --> 00:42:08,759
Speaker 1: something else, so it looks better in my seeing exactly.

817
00:42:08,760 --> 00:42:12,440
Speaker 1: It's just I think nowadays nothing is real. I mean,

818
00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:14,680
Speaker 1: you know the fact that you know people are getting

819
00:42:14,680 --> 00:42:17,760
Speaker 1: busted now for all the fake you know, travel photos

820
00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:20,760
Speaker 1: that they're posting or any you know, the photoshop stuff

821
00:42:20,760 --> 00:42:23,520
Speaker 1: that they're doing. But people are just obsessed. I mean,

822
00:42:23,680 --> 00:42:27,480
Speaker 1: I feel like you're going to let that much of

823
00:42:27,560 --> 00:42:31,240
Speaker 1: Instagram or fashion take over your life. Then that's sad.

824
00:42:31,719 --> 00:42:33,520
Speaker 1: It is sad, but it's the world we live in,

825
00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:35,680
Speaker 1: and we all try to keep up with it. I

826
00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:38,680
Speaker 1: know we do buying all this stuff. Like your mom said,

827
00:42:38,760 --> 00:42:43,759
Speaker 1: she's nailing it ruining relationships on Facebook. Literally, I was like, okay, mom,

828
00:42:43,800 --> 00:42:45,719
Speaker 1: you're onto something because she's like, you got you never

829
00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:48,239
Speaker 1: post the same picture or the same clothes, and like no,

830
00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:53,600
Speaker 1: I try not to write it. It's like it's a

831
00:42:54,080 --> 00:42:56,799
Speaker 1: I feel like Instagram is a library of fashion that

832
00:42:56,840 --> 00:42:59,719
Speaker 1: you have in your and the other half you're like

833
00:42:59,760 --> 00:43:02,640
Speaker 1: where is the rest? Because I don't remember even having

834
00:43:03,880 --> 00:43:07,400
Speaker 1: what part of the closet is it? In Purging is

835
00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:09,760
Speaker 1: the best thing I've learned? Are you like Marie Condoing?

836
00:43:10,160 --> 00:43:13,160
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't. I love selling stuff and then

837
00:43:13,200 --> 00:43:15,400
Speaker 1: then that way it gives you more excuse to buy stuff.

838
00:43:15,440 --> 00:43:17,800
Speaker 1: At least me too. I just started a poshmark page.

839
00:43:17,840 --> 00:43:20,640
Speaker 1: Do you have no? I don't. I've just been selling

840
00:43:20,760 --> 00:43:22,560
Speaker 1: half of my closet. It feels so good. But then

841
00:43:22,560 --> 00:43:23,799
Speaker 1: it's like I take that check and I'm like, what

842
00:43:23,920 --> 00:43:25,719
Speaker 1: can I buy? What's the best thing? That's something? I

843
00:43:25,880 --> 00:43:27,200
Speaker 1: put it on the real reel, and then as soon

844
00:43:27,200 --> 00:43:29,560
Speaker 1: as I get that check from you, I'm like, let's

845
00:43:29,600 --> 00:43:32,040
Speaker 1: go shopping and see what they have. I want, I need,

846
00:43:32,080 --> 00:43:35,160
Speaker 1: I need something this, I need this. It just adds up.

847
00:43:35,239 --> 00:43:37,440
Speaker 1: It adds up quickly. Then it's like, you know, I

848
00:43:37,480 --> 00:43:39,680
Speaker 1: try to not to buy used to buy crazy stuff

849
00:43:39,719 --> 00:43:44,080
Speaker 1: back in the day, like colorfhoe and sequence. I still

850
00:43:44,080 --> 00:43:45,640
Speaker 1: have some of that. I think I've seen you in

851
00:43:45,680 --> 00:43:48,160
Speaker 1: some sequences. But then I'm like, wait, I go, I

852
00:43:48,200 --> 00:43:53,319
Speaker 1: could only wear this once. Drop three thousand dollars on

853
00:43:53,400 --> 00:43:56,960
Speaker 1: a sequence bomba jacket that I could literally just never

854
00:43:57,000 --> 00:43:59,759
Speaker 1: going to wear again. Yeah, it's all about the basics.

855
00:44:00,040 --> 00:44:02,120
Speaker 1: Will say. When I sell something first and then I

856
00:44:02,239 --> 00:44:05,280
Speaker 1: buy something, it feels more like recycling. So I feel

857
00:44:05,960 --> 00:44:08,640
Speaker 1: like I'm doing something good for the culture. You feel

858
00:44:08,640 --> 00:44:11,480
Speaker 1: good about yourself? Do I just give it away? And

859
00:44:11,520 --> 00:44:13,800
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, so I'm doing something good for somebody.

860
00:44:14,080 --> 00:44:18,560
Speaker 1: That's true charity work. Okay, Okay, So we talked about

861
00:44:18,600 --> 00:44:20,799
Speaker 1: very cavaliery. If you did you see the super tees

862
00:44:20,880 --> 00:44:27,000
Speaker 1: they put up. Oh mg, I was just really, this

863
00:44:27,040 --> 00:44:29,640
Speaker 1: is don't be afraid. I think it's epic. I mean,

864
00:44:29,719 --> 00:44:32,040
Speaker 1: it's gonna be the most epic trip ever. Because, first

865
00:44:32,040 --> 00:44:34,480
Speaker 1: of all, I'm talking about our trip to Mexico. I

866
00:44:34,520 --> 00:44:36,600
Speaker 1: was thinking that we were going. I was coming to

867
00:44:36,640 --> 00:44:39,439
Speaker 1: the zip lining because I had, you know, fractured my arm.

868
00:44:39,520 --> 00:44:42,120
Speaker 1: I had taken my cast out, so I was it

869
00:44:42,200 --> 00:44:45,200
Speaker 1: was kind of kind of a was just a brace

870
00:44:45,280 --> 00:44:48,759
Speaker 1: that I had on time, and you know, I was like, Okay,

871
00:44:48,760 --> 00:44:51,440
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get away with not like doing any of

872
00:44:50,960 --> 00:44:53,480
Speaker 1: the zip lining stuff. So I'm I'm down for it.

873
00:44:53,520 --> 00:44:56,399
Speaker 1: Let's go. So I dressed up in not appropriate zip

874
00:44:56,400 --> 00:45:04,160
Speaker 1: line clothes first, wasn't it. And the guys who worked there,

875
00:45:04,200 --> 00:45:08,279
Speaker 1: they were like, you're writing those shoes? Oh yes, what

876
00:45:08,440 --> 00:45:14,320
Speaker 1: did you have on these? Described him? Please? So it

877
00:45:14,440 --> 00:45:21,000
Speaker 1: was snakeskin, patent leather. Actually Jimmy choose very on trend.

878
00:45:21,760 --> 00:45:24,400
Speaker 1: So I was writing those for zip lining. Yes, But

879
00:45:24,440 --> 00:45:26,160
Speaker 1: when we got there, it was all of a sudden,

880
00:45:26,160 --> 00:45:27,759
Speaker 1: We're like, okay, we're gonna get on this car. So

881
00:45:27,800 --> 00:45:30,319
Speaker 1: I was still thinking that I'm just going on just

882
00:45:30,360 --> 00:45:32,839
Speaker 1: to support everyone to do what they need to do.

883
00:45:33,040 --> 00:45:34,800
Speaker 1: When we got up there, it was a different story.

884
00:45:35,040 --> 00:45:38,120
Speaker 1: It was like an obstacle. Course. We had to zip

885
00:45:38,160 --> 00:45:40,719
Speaker 1: line to get to the end right, no other way

886
00:45:40,760 --> 00:45:44,080
Speaker 1: around because even the guys had to zip line with

887
00:45:44,160 --> 00:45:48,160
Speaker 1: everybody with the huge cameras, so there was no way

888
00:45:48,200 --> 00:45:51,200
Speaker 1: around it. So basically we you know, we had to

889
00:45:51,239 --> 00:45:52,600
Speaker 1: do what we had to do to, you know, to

890
00:45:52,800 --> 00:45:55,120
Speaker 1: survive the drum we got in the super tees that

891
00:45:55,280 --> 00:45:57,279
Speaker 1: they put up on the very cavalier Instagram. You can

892
00:45:57,320 --> 00:46:01,880
Speaker 1: have Jack screams, I just hope our moment, our moment,

893
00:46:02,400 --> 00:46:06,399
Speaker 1: I know, the moment, our moment makes it have this

894
00:46:06,440 --> 00:46:08,719
Speaker 1: weird feeling it's not going to But it was the

895
00:46:08,760 --> 00:46:12,359
Speaker 1: best moment of my zip Linny experience at the best time.

896
00:46:12,400 --> 00:46:14,759
Speaker 1: I was not scared. Jack and I got through a

897
00:46:14,920 --> 00:46:19,919
Speaker 1: tandem on one zip one together. Well Kelly, I'm topping me. Basically, yeah,

898
00:46:19,920 --> 00:46:25,839
Speaker 1: I got. I was like, no way, it's all right,

899
00:46:26,200 --> 00:46:29,919
Speaker 1: all right, you liked it too, I did. It felt

900
00:46:29,960 --> 00:46:32,640
Speaker 1: good at the end of the trip. Remember, everyone's like,

901
00:46:32,680 --> 00:46:34,960
Speaker 1: what's your favorite part of the zip fanning experience of

902
00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:38,200
Speaker 1: both of us were like, the tandem it was my

903
00:46:38,320 --> 00:46:41,520
Speaker 1: favorite part and the otherwise I was screaming like a

904
00:46:41,560 --> 00:46:45,200
Speaker 1: little banjee girl the whole time. Your scream is the

905
00:46:45,239 --> 00:46:47,919
Speaker 1: funniest thing I've ever heard. And on the super Tease

906
00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:50,440
Speaker 1: you could see it too, and I'm just like, oh god,

907
00:46:50,560 --> 00:46:54,640
Speaker 1: I'm gonna literally be mortified watching this. But also my

908
00:46:54,760 --> 00:46:58,520
Speaker 1: face in when Christen is talking about her clogged nipple

909
00:46:58,600 --> 00:47:02,759
Speaker 1: ducks situation. This priceless. Mexico's got a little wild. I

910
00:47:02,760 --> 00:47:05,640
Speaker 1: guess that's a good way to put it. Yes, I

911
00:47:05,680 --> 00:47:08,680
Speaker 1: think we had a really good time in Mexico, especially

912
00:47:08,960 --> 00:47:15,240
Speaker 1: squid Row, the cage, the dancing cage. Oh my god,

913
00:47:15,320 --> 00:47:18,040
Speaker 1: it was it was interesting. It's definitely what happens in

914
00:47:18,120 --> 00:47:21,120
Speaker 1: Cabo stays in Cabo, except when there's a camera crew around,

915
00:47:21,120 --> 00:47:25,680
Speaker 1: except that ends up on national television, so you can

916
00:47:25,680 --> 00:47:29,279
Speaker 1: tune into that. This season on Very Cavalry, we have

917
00:47:29,360 --> 00:47:31,680
Speaker 1: we go to Cabo. Oh my god, I can't wait

918
00:47:31,719 --> 00:47:33,640
Speaker 1: for that. What Okay, where else can people find you?

919
00:47:33,680 --> 00:47:36,600
Speaker 1: Because I know Blind at Amazon, Amazon, right on Amazon,

920
00:47:37,040 --> 00:47:40,279
Speaker 1: Barnes and Nobles and some bookstores around near you. So

921
00:47:40,400 --> 00:47:44,080
Speaker 1: Blind Item and Guilty Pleasures out now. So Blind Item

922
00:47:44,160 --> 00:47:45,600
Speaker 1: is that first book. So if you're going to read

923
00:47:45,640 --> 00:47:48,600
Speaker 1: it for a read Blind Item first and then read

924
00:47:48,640 --> 00:47:52,720
Speaker 1: guilty pleasure because guilty pleasure the continuation of blind item. Yeah,

925
00:47:52,840 --> 00:47:56,560
Speaker 1: and then you are on Instagram at jack quetzo. Yes,

926
00:47:56,640 --> 00:47:59,799
Speaker 1: jack kets c k k U t s oh, look

927
00:47:59,800 --> 00:48:04,080
Speaker 1: at that spelling fast you've done that before. And then

928
00:48:04,120 --> 00:48:06,080
Speaker 1: let's talk about you have this T shirt company we

929
00:48:06,080 --> 00:48:08,719
Speaker 1: were talking about before. Yeah, so burm Squad, me and

930
00:48:08,760 --> 00:48:10,719
Speaker 1: my best friend started a T shirt company just like

931
00:48:10,760 --> 00:48:16,439
Speaker 1: a fun, fun um parody T shirt on What's Happening now?

932
00:48:16,600 --> 00:48:20,720
Speaker 1: Just little things and and fun stuff like little things

933
00:48:20,800 --> 00:48:23,840
Speaker 1: like Dunzo that Christen's exis. We have the Donzo, we

934
00:48:23,880 --> 00:48:26,120
Speaker 1: have Hucci. We have a T shirt that says y

935
00:48:26,239 --> 00:48:32,600
Speaker 1: s B and stupid bitch, So it just says you

936
00:48:32,680 --> 00:48:35,160
Speaker 1: stupid bitch Paris in the bottom of it. So it's

937
00:48:35,200 --> 00:48:39,439
Speaker 1: kind of in the logo of Okay, that's cute. So

938
00:48:39,960 --> 00:48:42,040
Speaker 1: just a fun let us something on the side to

939
00:48:42,200 --> 00:48:46,640
Speaker 1: get creative and you know, continue being creative on because

940
00:48:46,680 --> 00:48:48,680
Speaker 1: pr is creative, so you have totally So I think

941
00:48:48,680 --> 00:48:51,560
Speaker 1: it just keeps the creativity juice going. And me, what

942
00:48:51,640 --> 00:48:55,120
Speaker 1: does burm squad mean? Well, burm Squad actually started off

943
00:48:55,120 --> 00:48:57,600
Speaker 1: when me and my friends used to stay when we

944
00:48:57,640 --> 00:48:59,520
Speaker 1: remember we saw a really hot guy, we used to

945
00:48:59,520 --> 00:49:04,319
Speaker 1: say burn. That's what you call like b e r R.

946
00:49:05,120 --> 00:49:07,520
Speaker 1: You called them burms because there was a code name

947
00:49:07,560 --> 00:49:10,520
Speaker 1: of saying hot guy is coming okay. And then just

948
00:49:10,640 --> 00:49:12,799
Speaker 1: you just became a thing. And then one day we

949
00:49:12,800 --> 00:49:15,520
Speaker 1: were saying berm and this girl was like burm, Like

950
00:49:15,719 --> 00:49:17,560
Speaker 1: why are you guys saying burn? We're like, well, because

951
00:49:17,600 --> 00:49:20,000
Speaker 1: we call hot guys burm. She was like, have you

952
00:49:20,040 --> 00:49:22,960
Speaker 1: ever girl googled but burm means in the urban dictionary.

953
00:49:23,360 --> 00:49:26,359
Speaker 1: We're like, not really, we did, and it was called

954
00:49:26,400 --> 00:49:30,640
Speaker 1: it was a Hot sperm. Wow, So now you have

955
00:49:30,640 --> 00:49:35,360
Speaker 1: a website called the Hot Sperm Squad basically hot scurs exactly,

956
00:49:35,400 --> 00:49:40,000
Speaker 1: the Hot Spurm Squad exactly. I mean. And I was

957
00:49:40,080 --> 00:49:41,920
Speaker 1: just like it's you know, it's just a little cute

958
00:49:42,239 --> 00:49:44,320
Speaker 1: code name. But and then of the I think, what

959
00:49:44,560 --> 00:49:46,239
Speaker 1: kind of hit it on the head When Cardi b

960
00:49:46,400 --> 00:49:51,640
Speaker 1: called Banno berm okay, so I was like, we made

961
00:49:51,640 --> 00:49:59,280
Speaker 1: it okay. She called Bono said the Grammys the Bano

962
00:49:59,400 --> 00:50:01,920
Speaker 1: left her no that he Boto is a berm. I

963
00:50:02,000 --> 00:50:04,280
Speaker 1: was like, wow, I just hear this. I mean, bottom

964
00:50:04,400 --> 00:50:09,520
Speaker 1: is a berm. Thought, wow, this is like a new

965
00:50:09,680 --> 00:50:12,120
Speaker 1: I'm totally gonna use the code name if you want

966
00:50:12,160 --> 00:50:14,239
Speaker 1: to see when you see a guy when you hanging

967
00:50:14,239 --> 00:50:17,000
Speaker 1: out with your girlfriends, you just say BERM, I'm coming over,

968
00:50:17,239 --> 00:50:19,719
Speaker 1: but I'm coming your way, and nobody ever knows. It's

969
00:50:19,760 --> 00:50:21,880
Speaker 1: funny because sometimes we'll do it at out and about,

970
00:50:22,080 --> 00:50:24,360
Speaker 1: like at the airport or somewhere. We are like bom,

971
00:50:25,400 --> 00:50:27,960
Speaker 1: We'll make a crazy sound about it, and people, you know,

972
00:50:28,000 --> 00:50:30,360
Speaker 1: they'll like, what is They just get confused, but it

973
00:50:30,360 --> 00:50:33,080
Speaker 1: sounds like you're saying perm, so they're probably just like, wait,

974
00:50:33,160 --> 00:50:37,560
Speaker 1: somebody out a perm. Oh gosh. Okay, I know I'm

975
00:50:37,560 --> 00:50:39,560
Speaker 1: gonna get this question eight times, so I'm just gonna

976
00:50:39,560 --> 00:50:42,799
Speaker 1: ask you just in summary. I know people are gonna

977
00:50:42,840 --> 00:50:44,840
Speaker 1: be like, if I'm interested in PR, how do I

978
00:50:44,880 --> 00:50:47,960
Speaker 1: get into this? Okay, first of all, I would say,

979
00:50:47,960 --> 00:50:52,600
Speaker 1: don't go to school. Great, heard it here on the podcast.

980
00:50:52,760 --> 00:50:55,840
Speaker 1: Just kidding. I mean, here's the problem with what school is.

981
00:50:55,880 --> 00:50:58,200
Speaker 1: I think, well, I was being taught in school and

982
00:50:58,239 --> 00:51:00,200
Speaker 1: then what I end up using in my life in

983
00:51:00,239 --> 00:51:02,359
Speaker 1: general is not the same thing that you ever think

984
00:51:02,400 --> 00:51:05,359
Speaker 1: it is. It is completely the opposite of what we

985
00:51:05,360 --> 00:51:09,120
Speaker 1: were being taught. And you have to go into into

986
00:51:09,200 --> 00:51:12,839
Speaker 1: the world of pr it's completely different. Um I. One

987
00:51:12,880 --> 00:51:14,040
Speaker 1: thing I have to say, you have to be a

988
00:51:14,080 --> 00:51:17,200
Speaker 1: thick skin and tough. You can't cry at the job.

989
00:51:17,520 --> 00:51:19,680
Speaker 1: You you know you are going to get y'all that

990
00:51:19,840 --> 00:51:22,200
Speaker 1: screamed at. You know, you're it's going to be your

991
00:51:22,239 --> 00:51:25,319
Speaker 1: fault all the time, which everything is my fault pretty much.

992
00:51:25,320 --> 00:51:27,680
Speaker 1: I always like it's my fault. You know. You have

993
00:51:27,760 --> 00:51:32,640
Speaker 1: to remember that. And if you really really want it,

994
00:51:32,719 --> 00:51:35,319
Speaker 1: then you will be successful at it. But if you're

995
00:51:35,400 --> 00:51:37,440
Speaker 1: kind of half asking it, you're never going to be

996
00:51:37,480 --> 00:51:40,439
Speaker 1: successful on it, you know. And some people sometimes come

997
00:51:40,480 --> 00:51:42,480
Speaker 1: in and they try out. I've had assistance who have

998
00:51:42,560 --> 00:51:43,960
Speaker 1: came in and tried it out, and it's just like

999
00:51:44,080 --> 00:51:46,439
Speaker 1: it's not for them. And you will know right away

1000
00:51:46,480 --> 00:51:48,319
Speaker 1: if it's for you or not. Then you can make

1001
00:51:48,320 --> 00:51:50,719
Speaker 1: the decision what you want to do. But it's not

1002
00:51:50,800 --> 00:51:53,400
Speaker 1: the most easiest job in the whole world because you

1003
00:51:53,440 --> 00:51:57,000
Speaker 1: are stressed out every day. There's a lot of responsibility

1004
00:51:57,040 --> 00:52:01,520
Speaker 1: that that comes into fact. You are basically handling someone's schedule,

1005
00:52:01,680 --> 00:52:05,080
Speaker 1: you're handling someone's career, and if you make a mistake

1006
00:52:05,120 --> 00:52:07,480
Speaker 1: and if you got to say you f up your

1007
00:52:07,600 --> 00:52:09,920
Speaker 1: it's your asset in the line. So it's a very

1008
00:52:10,000 --> 00:52:12,520
Speaker 1: much also an attention to detailed job. You have to

1009
00:52:12,560 --> 00:52:14,960
Speaker 1: be on it. You have to fact check everything. You

1010
00:52:15,000 --> 00:52:18,760
Speaker 1: have to make sure that you know the airline is booked.

1011
00:52:18,800 --> 00:52:21,160
Speaker 1: You'll be surprised sometimes you have that things that are

1012
00:52:21,160 --> 00:52:23,799
Speaker 1: not booked. So it just said a lot of a

1013
00:52:23,840 --> 00:52:25,520
Speaker 1: lot of that. And then I always say, I'm like,

1014
00:52:25,600 --> 00:52:29,200
Speaker 1: sometimes i feel like I'm babysitting grown ups in a

1015
00:52:29,440 --> 00:52:32,640
Speaker 1: in a way, but it is. It is that. So

1016
00:52:32,680 --> 00:52:35,759
Speaker 1: if you really love if you really love celebrities, and

1017
00:52:35,800 --> 00:52:38,320
Speaker 1: I think you really love entertainment, then you'll be great

1018
00:52:38,360 --> 00:52:40,400
Speaker 1: at it. But if you are just going into it

1019
00:52:40,480 --> 00:52:44,399
Speaker 1: to be hanging out with celebrities, which a lot, that's

1020
00:52:44,440 --> 00:52:46,959
Speaker 1: what it ends up happening. We end up having people

1021
00:52:46,960 --> 00:52:50,320
Speaker 1: who are coming into you know, sign up to be

1022
00:52:50,360 --> 00:52:52,520
Speaker 1: an intern or they're signed up to be to be

1023
00:52:52,560 --> 00:52:54,359
Speaker 1: an assistant, and then you find out that they want

1024
00:52:54,360 --> 00:52:56,719
Speaker 1: to hang out with a certain celebrities and they want

1025
00:52:56,719 --> 00:52:58,239
Speaker 1: to be in the scene. They want to go out

1026
00:52:58,239 --> 00:53:01,160
Speaker 1: every night and party and be around celebrities a party.

1027
00:53:01,400 --> 00:53:04,799
Speaker 1: That's not gonna work because it's just not what the

1028
00:53:04,920 --> 00:53:08,239
Speaker 1: job is and it's not really you're you're not in

1029
00:53:08,280 --> 00:53:10,200
Speaker 1: the right state of mind and you're not really heading

1030
00:53:10,200 --> 00:53:13,040
Speaker 1: into the right direction, especially at the beginning, because I

1031
00:53:13,160 --> 00:53:15,000
Speaker 1: deal with that a lot to like assistance that all

1032
00:53:15,040 --> 00:53:16,880
Speaker 1: come in. They just want to be around the scene

1033
00:53:16,960 --> 00:53:19,120
Speaker 1: or what I'm doing now, and I'm like, you're not

1034
00:53:19,160 --> 00:53:21,279
Speaker 1: looking at what I was doing fifteen years ago though,

1035
00:53:21,320 --> 00:53:24,800
Speaker 1: which is where you are. I was bringing my boss's

1036
00:53:24,800 --> 00:53:27,080
Speaker 1: coffee and making sure that the paper was on the

1037
00:53:27,160 --> 00:53:30,560
Speaker 1: debt on her and his desk at a certain time,

1038
00:53:30,600 --> 00:53:32,920
Speaker 1: because if I didn't, I was in trouble. Right, You

1039
00:53:33,000 --> 00:53:36,760
Speaker 1: got to do the work first. If you pay your dues,

1040
00:53:37,160 --> 00:53:39,920
Speaker 1: you would always get rewarded, you would always get ahead

1041
00:53:39,920 --> 00:53:42,480
Speaker 1: of your you know, yourself and your job or whatever

1042
00:53:42,520 --> 00:53:44,200
Speaker 1: it is that you're doing. You gotta pay the dudes.

1043
00:53:44,640 --> 00:53:47,040
Speaker 1: None of us, you know, came in and all of

1044
00:53:47,080 --> 00:53:49,759
Speaker 1: a sudden was not handed to us. It's not like that,

1045
00:53:50,280 --> 00:53:52,960
Speaker 1: you know, we all worked up to where we are now.

1046
00:53:53,760 --> 00:53:57,120
Speaker 1: So but I think that's really good advice. Nowadays, I

1047
00:53:57,120 --> 00:53:59,200
Speaker 1: think a lot of there's a lot of people who

1048
00:53:59,440 --> 00:54:02,120
Speaker 1: feel adult and also a lot of people who are

1049
00:54:02,360 --> 00:54:05,000
Speaker 1: in the generation of Instagram who think they're famous on

1050
00:54:05,080 --> 00:54:08,120
Speaker 1: Instagram just because you have a public figure on your Instagram,

1051
00:54:08,320 --> 00:54:10,160
Speaker 1: let me tell you that you're not famous, and no

1052
00:54:10,239 --> 00:54:13,160
Speaker 1: one cares. No one cares. So I don't care how

1053
00:54:13,160 --> 00:54:15,120
Speaker 1: many followers you have. If you were going to step

1054
00:54:15,120 --> 00:54:17,560
Speaker 1: into my office to work, you need to work. I'm

1055
00:54:17,560 --> 00:54:20,719
Speaker 1: not treating you on any defense than the last assistant

1056
00:54:20,800 --> 00:54:23,359
Speaker 1: or the last person, or whoever it is. You're gonna

1057
00:54:23,360 --> 00:54:25,239
Speaker 1: have to put your work in. I don't care if

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Speaker 1: you have a million followers, You're still gonna have to

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Speaker 1: put the work in. So it's just you've got to

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Speaker 1: be passionate about pr because it's not your typical thing.

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Speaker 1: It's just you've got to be and you have to

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Speaker 1: be people's person. If you someone is not people's person,

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Speaker 1: then you're not business. It's not the right business for you,

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Speaker 1: not at all. Well, I think that's really good advice.

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Speaker 1: I think that's pretty much that can go for anything

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Speaker 1: in the entertainment industry. Agree. Agree. You know, the certain

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Speaker 1: person did not start off as an agent. They started

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Speaker 1: off with the mail room, so they were delivering someone's mail.

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Speaker 1: So you have to keep that in mind, exactly, Jack,

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Speaker 1: thank you so much, thanks for having me. You guys,

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Speaker 1: check Jack out on very Cavalary this season season two,

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Speaker 1: and on Instagram at Jack Katso and on Burn Squad.

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Speaker 1: Thank you all right, thanks for listening by