WEBVTT - "Visual Identity" (w/ Matt + Bowen) 0:00:00.920 --> 0:00:04.920 Look man, oh, I see you my own look over 0:00:04.960 --> 0:00:06.360 there is that culture. 0:00:06.480 --> 0:00:15.440 Yes, goodness loves culture, ding lost culturistas calling look around 0:00:16.640 --> 0:00:18.560 and how lucky we are to be alive right now. 0:00:18.600 --> 0:00:22.479 But does it feel like a brand? It feels like 0:00:22.720 --> 0:00:29.160 this is episode one and we need to take for granted. 0:00:29.200 --> 0:00:30.840 This is yeah, this is a first. 0:00:30.960 --> 0:00:36.920 This is a we have never actually had. 0:00:37.240 --> 0:00:37.839 We've never had. 0:00:38.000 --> 0:00:41.040 Therefore, we've never really had an identity this podcast one 0:00:41.040 --> 0:00:43.479 of the things. It's received critical acclaim. It's won the 0:00:43.520 --> 0:00:47.479 iHeart Podcast of the Year award twice. It's never had 0:00:47.479 --> 0:00:50.040 an identity until today. 0:00:50.080 --> 0:00:54.520 This is This is the best set I've ever been on. 0:00:55.320 --> 0:00:59.680 And then here and that includes again on the mic, 0:00:59.760 --> 0:01:01.360 this is the best that I've ever been on, and 0:01:01.400 --> 0:01:04.800 that includes Wicked. And we're also talking about the vibes. 0:01:05.200 --> 0:01:08.679 The vibes in here are better than that of Wicked. 0:01:09.920 --> 0:01:13.840 Ed work, damnrous our amazing production designer. Everyone in this room, 0:01:14.360 --> 0:01:18.040 y'all fucking tore this shit up. This is amazing. Round 0:01:18.040 --> 0:01:21.319 of applause for everybody. This is amazing. Thank you guys. 0:01:21.360 --> 0:01:24.319 In the second, we're gonna fly in the champagne. But 0:01:24.680 --> 0:01:29.600 not before we say this, there's a fridge here with 0:01:29.760 --> 0:01:32.520 the thing is we're living in a post there's a 0:01:32.640 --> 0:01:36.399 fridge era. Look what he's got. And by the way, 0:01:36.640 --> 0:01:39.959 we haven't been recording like live because we took a 0:01:39.959 --> 0:01:43.119 little break. Yes, the amount of times that Celcius has 0:01:43.160 --> 0:01:44.840 come up on this podcast. 0:01:44.400 --> 0:01:48.200 Why aren't we I face themselves. I don't think I 0:01:48.240 --> 0:01:51.080 think they're too I think they must have some exclusivity 0:01:51.480 --> 0:01:55.240 with the Theovons of the world where they we can't 0:01:55.320 --> 0:01:58.000 give those gay guys. Well, one thing I'll say is 0:01:58.000 --> 0:01:59.600 we really are giving it away for free. 0:01:59.640 --> 0:02:06.200 We are, we are, We're just And yeah, meanwhile, like 0:02:07.280 --> 0:02:10.280 we slay an ad read listen, if you write us 0:02:10.320 --> 0:02:12.679 a good if you write us a good ad. 0:02:12.560 --> 0:02:15.760 And if you if a human being writes us an ad, 0:02:16.080 --> 0:02:16.600 which is what? 0:02:16.680 --> 0:02:18.680 Which is what brings us to the topic of the episode, 0:02:18.680 --> 0:02:22.359 which is a I wait, we obviously are what is that? 0:02:22.480 --> 0:02:26.760 No. I Today this morning, Greta shows me some girl, 0:02:27.400 --> 0:02:30.239 random girl, God bless her love, random girls on the internet. 0:02:30.280 --> 0:02:32.960 Greta just goes, you need to see this. It was 0:02:33.000 --> 0:02:36.800 a girl at the beach going. I mean, can we 0:02:36.880 --> 0:02:40.160 just pause for a second how terrible data centers are 0:02:40.560 --> 0:02:43.960 and just say, please pick up your trash off the beach, 0:02:44.880 --> 0:02:47.280 and that will make things a little better. She wants 0:02:47.280 --> 0:02:49.639 to start at the very beginning. 0:02:50.919 --> 0:02:53.240 So many things we haven't figured out yet, before we 0:02:53.280 --> 0:02:56.800 move on to data centers, which is so complicated. We 0:02:56.840 --> 0:02:58.760 can all agree, pick up your trash on the beach. 0:02:59.000 --> 0:03:02.520 I she's not wrong, but she's not right. 0:03:03.480 --> 0:03:05.760 I have to tell you there are so many people 0:03:05.800 --> 0:03:11.119 out there who are so incredibly wrong whilst being incredibly right. 0:03:11.440 --> 0:03:16.400 Us we see today many times you ask for a 0:03:16.400 --> 0:03:17.160 culture catchup. 0:03:17.200 --> 0:03:19.840 You're gonna get one, and let that be the occasion. 0:03:19.960 --> 0:03:22.359 Let that be occasion. And speaking of occasions, let's fly 0:03:22.520 --> 0:03:25.560 in the flutes and the sham. It is the reason 0:03:26.000 --> 0:03:31.959 for this season. Thank you, son yous. So everyone be careful. 0:03:32.000 --> 0:03:33.000 Everyone can be careful. 0:03:33.440 --> 0:03:37.000 Make the set safe for us babies. Okay, Volve click co. 0:03:37.280 --> 0:03:40.640 I feel like I'm Mariah and it's the thirtieth anniversary 0:03:40.680 --> 0:03:44.320 of Daydreams. Day dream Oh and there's an amazing thank you, 0:03:44.960 --> 0:03:45.880 thank you, sir. 0:03:46.720 --> 0:03:50.120 Love. When a handsome guy pours me shams. 0:03:50.360 --> 0:03:53.520 Well, we have to usually go to some sort of 0:03:53.560 --> 0:03:55.960 airline for that. Yeah, talk to one of those gay 0:03:56.000 --> 0:03:59.160 guys who run the show. Oh, flight attendant that's what 0:03:59.160 --> 0:04:02.560 they're that's what they're going to them to us, and 0:04:02.760 --> 0:04:05.080 to day one of this podcast, Day. 0:04:04.880 --> 0:04:07.400 One of this podcast, and that we said maybe this 0:04:07.520 --> 0:04:11.600 is the five hundred. Yes, we all, Oh, I bet 0:04:11.640 --> 0:04:13.720 we're closer to six hundred than we are five hundred 0:04:14.000 --> 0:04:17.400 at this point. So crazy. We haven't said something yet. 0:04:18.400 --> 0:04:22.000 It is. Can I say, I'm now clocking minutes into 0:04:22.040 --> 0:04:22.719 this podcast. 0:04:22.800 --> 0:04:25.520 It's so crazy that the first thing that happened that 0:04:25.560 --> 0:04:27.440 we've already cheers. And if you think we're not going 0:04:27.520 --> 0:04:30.599 to cheers again, you're deeply mistaken. You're one of the 0:04:30.640 --> 0:04:35.920 wrong people. Bowen will be starring in Oh Mary as Mary. 0:04:35.960 --> 0:04:41.240 I'm brought it cling for a third time. I don't 0:04:41.240 --> 0:04:42.760 want to talk about it now. I'm not happy to 0:04:42.800 --> 0:04:45.600 talk about it. Don't ask him about his process, you vulture. 0:04:45.800 --> 0:04:48.320 I'm happy to talk about my process. Can we though, 0:04:48.360 --> 0:04:52.080 Because I've known about this now for it's been months. 0:04:52.320 --> 0:04:54.880 It has been a very long time, and it's hard. 0:04:55.160 --> 0:04:56.400 It's hard not to say. 0:04:56.200 --> 0:05:00.080 That bon Yang is in Larry the I. 0:05:00.240 --> 0:05:03.240 You know, I had to like lie a bunch, Yeah, 0:05:03.279 --> 0:05:04.599 I had to do the thing where people were like 0:05:04.640 --> 0:05:06.640 I heard and I'm like, oh no, it's it fell 0:05:06.680 --> 0:05:07.159 through it. 0:05:07.880 --> 0:05:10.800 Because you went as far as to say so in 0:05:10.839 --> 0:05:12.080 the reality, you confirmed it. 0:05:11.960 --> 0:05:14.520 It happened, and it fell through that because I was like, 0:05:14.560 --> 0:05:18.440 that's the best way to sort of most credible. It's 0:05:18.440 --> 0:05:20.479 the most credible because Sam put the fear of God 0:05:20.520 --> 0:05:23.320 in me. He was like, it was just such a 0:05:23.320 --> 0:05:27.560 bummer because Maya. The news about Maya leaked before we announced. 0:05:27.160 --> 0:05:29.039 And it was just a real fucking bummer. And I 0:05:29.080 --> 0:05:30.200 was like, oh. 0:05:30.080 --> 0:05:34.800 No, I better keep this under wraps. I'd been telling everyone, Yeah, 0:05:36.040 --> 0:05:41.400 how soon do about trying to figure out when you 0:05:41.440 --> 0:05:44.520 told me? It was like a week after because you 0:05:44.520 --> 0:05:46.440 were still you were in LA, Like I wanted to 0:05:46.440 --> 0:05:51.200 tell you in person, flitting off, flitting off, and god 0:05:51.279 --> 0:05:53.840 knows what what have you been doing in La? Who? 0:05:53.920 --> 0:05:57.080 We're not talking about me yet. Don't worry, guys. Soon 0:05:57.560 --> 0:06:01.360 you're getting some of me. But but okay, so you 0:06:01.880 --> 0:06:03.320 you're saying process. 0:06:03.120 --> 0:06:07.040 Process, so literally could not have happened without you? What 0:06:07.440 --> 0:06:09.480 because who do we run into at the Tony's but 0:06:10.040 --> 0:06:12.799 the queen Michelle Ranawitz. 0:06:12.960 --> 0:06:17.760 Yeah, so I knew Michelle from school. She was a 0:06:17.800 --> 0:06:21.840 standout actress. She's become your acting coach. 0:06:21.920 --> 0:06:22.960 In this regard, she's. 0:06:22.800 --> 0:06:27.400 Become the the girl girl, the movement queen. She throws, 0:06:27.560 --> 0:06:34.400 she throws, she holds classes for anybody. Yes, through via Tish, 0:06:34.440 --> 0:06:37.000 I believe. Yeah, I've only ever known her as being 0:06:37.120 --> 0:06:39.840 the coolest person I've been in a room with. 0:06:40.000 --> 0:06:42.080 When I was in a room with her, and then 0:06:42.240 --> 0:06:45.280 actually we had never really met until that night. I 0:06:45.360 --> 0:06:47.839 didn't really meet her. I didn't really meet her until 0:06:47.839 --> 0:06:48.719 like the summer either. 0:06:48.880 --> 0:06:53.520 Right, And so then I am thrilled to hear I 0:06:53.600 --> 0:06:55.920 think because I told you I had this great conversation 0:06:56.040 --> 0:06:57.880 with her that you were going to work with her 0:06:57.960 --> 0:07:01.440 for oh Mary, it inspired me. Happy to inspire always, 0:07:02.360 --> 0:07:05.320 but you always do. Okay, so you've been cracking sh 0:07:05.520 --> 0:07:05.920 open or what? 0:07:06.320 --> 0:07:06.520 Yes? 0:07:06.720 --> 0:07:12.560 And this woman, she she gets elemental with it because 0:07:12.560 --> 0:07:14.480 I I like, I've like worked with people before, like 0:07:14.680 --> 0:07:17.160 in a in a coachy capacity, and it's been great. 0:07:17.200 --> 0:07:20.160 It's just like I walk away from them being like, Okay, 0:07:20.200 --> 0:07:26.240 I think I get it. But this i'm so in 0:07:26.360 --> 0:07:29.080 the pocket is not the right term. I just I'm 0:07:29.240 --> 0:07:33.160 I'm I'm neurally linked. She I am her banshee. She 0:07:33.400 --> 0:07:36.600 is my avatar, she is my driving you. But you're 0:07:36.880 --> 0:07:38.320 neurally linked. 0:07:38.520 --> 0:07:40.920 I am literally could it be a word we'll find 0:07:40.960 --> 0:07:46.000 out neurally yes, n EU that's like a startup. 0:07:46.200 --> 0:07:48.600 Y are a L L Y and e U r 0:07:48.640 --> 0:07:50.920 A L. Yeah, you got it? When are we doing 0:07:53.320 --> 0:08:00.840 an adverb? Absolutely, we're really connected. It's actually culture number three. 0:08:01.040 --> 0:08:04.920 We are connected. Who's the banshee? Who's the nav? This 0:08:05.120 --> 0:08:08.880 is so fascinating. I think I think you you are 0:08:08.960 --> 0:08:12.480 the brain. You look you look, and this is a compliment. 0:08:12.520 --> 0:08:13.160 You look like a nav. 0:08:13.600 --> 0:08:15.640 I've been told just so many times. And it came 0:08:15.720 --> 0:08:18.640 up again obviously because we did go to the world 0:08:19.080 --> 0:08:21.720 and we'll get to it again soon. Don't worry, guys, 0:08:21.800 --> 0:08:23.680 because you're gonna get a lot a little bit more 0:08:23.720 --> 0:08:30.000 of me and Disney updates, but first this, So that's all. 0:08:30.040 --> 0:08:31.240 I'm just I'm so excited. 0:08:31.440 --> 0:08:36.280 Yeah, yeah, So you're neurally linked to someone who is 0:08:36.400 --> 0:08:40.200 guiding you too. Yes, to the beach in an Avatarian 0:08:41.080 --> 0:08:43.840 Navvian sense, because where they go in flight of passage, 0:08:43.840 --> 0:08:47.480 they go everywhere. They go everywhere, but everywhere, guys, in 0:08:47.520 --> 0:08:49.480 flight of passage. And we're gonna get more into it 0:08:49.640 --> 0:08:50.280 a little bit. 0:08:50.800 --> 0:08:57.199 But they go everywhere. The beach Heaven, Heaven Now and 0:08:57.280 --> 0:09:01.800 Funnily enough, she also worked with Miss Betty Gilpin, who 0:09:02.040 --> 0:09:06.360 you have to watch Widow's Bay. All I've heard is that. Okay, 0:09:06.520 --> 0:09:09.880 So I want to say two things. One, I will 0:09:09.960 --> 0:09:13.280 watch this because it's You're it's so for the Hunt's 0:09:14.120 --> 0:09:15.520 I'm incapable. 0:09:14.960 --> 0:09:18.400 Of resisting the idea of Betty Gilpin slang. You said, 0:09:18.559 --> 0:09:20.400 that's why I watched The Hunt. You said this about 0:09:20.480 --> 0:09:25.000 Lady Gaga during art pop era, when you were like, yeah, yeah, 0:09:25.000 --> 0:09:28.319 I like Gaga, but you said the words I will 0:09:28.440 --> 0:09:30.080 always be interested in what she's doing. 0:09:30.559 --> 0:09:32.719 You remember that I said that? By the way, I 0:09:32.840 --> 0:09:35.720 was like, what twenty two years old? 0:09:35.840 --> 0:09:38.040 I'm saying I will always be interested in what Lady 0:09:38.120 --> 0:09:39.720 Gaga is doing in art pop era? 0:09:39.920 --> 0:09:41.000 That means a lot? Can I say? 0:09:41.000 --> 0:09:43.360 I was recently confronted about what my top three Gaga 0:09:43.440 --> 0:09:47.959 albums were. Okay, you can't take art pop out of 0:09:48.000 --> 0:09:50.400 that top three, No way, you can't. You can try 0:09:50.520 --> 0:09:54.520 physically to attack me. I have studied the ways in 0:09:54.640 --> 0:09:58.480 which people try to wrestle art pop from a Little 0:09:58.520 --> 0:09:59.480 Monster's top three. 0:09:59.720 --> 0:10:02.640 You I won't be getting that. I think that happens anymore. 0:10:03.080 --> 0:10:05.800 Well, not anymore, but back in the day, we've had 0:10:05.880 --> 0:10:08.240 to be very vicious in our defense. 0:10:09.160 --> 0:10:13.839 I think we're gonna have this treatment to chromenica. I 0:10:13.960 --> 0:10:15.440 already see it starting, and. 0:10:15.520 --> 0:10:18.079 I'm not interested in having the conversation, but just know 0:10:18.280 --> 0:10:22.000 I'm learning how to defend myself against the attacks lest 0:10:22.080 --> 0:10:22.439 they come. 0:10:22.679 --> 0:10:26.280 So Widow's Bay, should they come? Should they? It was 0:10:26.400 --> 0:10:28.079 by I think you would enjoy it. I have to. 0:10:28.200 --> 0:10:28.800 I have to watch it. 0:10:28.920 --> 0:10:32.800 I will say people don't necessarily understand how sensitive I 0:10:32.920 --> 0:10:35.000 am when I say I'm sensitive because I had a 0:10:35.120 --> 0:10:39.560 what panic attack before the Hillary Dove concert because someone 0:10:39.679 --> 0:10:42.319 described to me the Perez Hilton video. 0:10:43.480 --> 0:10:47.280 Someone described it to me, which was their first mistake. 0:10:47.440 --> 0:10:49.920 I hit the ground. This was a good friend of 0:10:50.000 --> 0:10:53.360 yours who should have known not to go into detail 0:10:53.400 --> 0:10:54.720 about the Perez Hilton self music. 0:10:54.840 --> 0:10:57.920 Dave Mazzoni doesn't know better than to not do that 0:10:58.120 --> 0:11:00.319 at this point. And that's why I love Dave because 0:11:00.320 --> 0:11:00.800 he will just. 0:11:00.840 --> 0:11:05.040 Be himself no matter what. Always I love the man, 0:11:05.480 --> 0:11:05.920 love him. 0:11:06.000 --> 0:11:07.040 He was. 0:11:07.679 --> 0:11:09.360 I know that you were a little bit stoned. 0:11:09.400 --> 0:11:13.679 Can we reveal Well, let's just say I was at 0:11:13.720 --> 0:11:17.160 one of them. I was at one of my favorite restaurants. 0:11:16.800 --> 0:11:20.560 Before seeing one of your favorite artists, before seeing our girl. 0:11:20.720 --> 0:11:22.480 Oh my god, I'm so sad. I can't go Bohen 0:11:22.559 --> 0:11:23.920 got sick. I got sick. 0:11:24.240 --> 0:11:28.280 You think Disney journeys if y'all got sick, Melissa got sick. 0:11:28.960 --> 0:11:33.959 I think there's something tactile. And I do want you 0:11:34.080 --> 0:11:36.360 to say, we're making a lot of people brave today. 0:11:38.280 --> 0:11:41.720 Born This Way Foundation. One of the things about this. 0:11:41.960 --> 0:11:44.400 At this podcast, Last culture Is says is it's one 0:11:44.440 --> 0:11:47.240 of the key elements of the Born This Way Foundation. 0:11:47.880 --> 0:11:50.800 And we've been working with Cynthia for years. Oh my god. 0:11:52.000 --> 0:11:53.880 Wait, by the way, I know we're going to talk 0:11:53.880 --> 0:11:56.079 about the girls today, but I just want to say 0:11:57.559 --> 0:11:59.240 I'm having such a goga moment again. 0:11:59.679 --> 0:12:02.880 Yeah, I'm just what what what brought this on? I 0:12:03.040 --> 0:12:06.040 don't know. Can I tell you something? Watching interviews of her. 0:12:06.200 --> 0:12:09.959 You know how there's famously three eras Circus surveillance, well 0:12:10.040 --> 0:12:13.440 Christmas and then there's another. 0:12:13.160 --> 0:12:16.360 One circus surveillance and Christmas Circus surveillance Christmas and then 0:12:16.440 --> 0:12:20.840 like summer, like like summer. Sure like Zara Larson right 0:12:20.880 --> 0:12:22.480 now and maybe forever. 0:12:22.640 --> 0:12:26.559 I do think Zara Larson should be summer forever. And 0:12:26.600 --> 0:12:30.160 I'm gonna tell her that when she comes, because I 0:12:30.200 --> 0:12:32.079 think she has an opportunity if she wants to be 0:12:32.160 --> 0:12:35.559 Jimmy Buffett coated and someone should take that lane. 0:12:35.960 --> 0:12:37.880 I don't want it to have to be me. No, 0:12:38.160 --> 0:12:40.679 and it should be a Swedish person. 0:12:41.520 --> 0:12:44.760 I'm just saying, Zara Larson at this rate could have 0:12:44.920 --> 0:12:46.080 a Margueritaville. 0:12:46.520 --> 0:12:51.480 If she wants enough, she's she gives you. It's the seashells. 0:12:51.679 --> 0:12:57.040 It's the delectable pop. Yeah, it's the delectable. It's it's 0:12:57.080 --> 0:12:59.080 the It's like a Swedish gummy. 0:13:00.120 --> 0:13:02.880 So I guess what I'm trying to say is I 0:13:03.880 --> 0:13:05.520 just I feel like when I'm listening to God, I'm 0:13:05.520 --> 0:13:07.520 having more fun. And a lot of the girls right 0:13:07.600 --> 0:13:11.800 now are discussing in their music lyrically this is how 0:13:11.840 --> 0:13:14.319 I feel about my station in the public. 0:13:14.080 --> 0:13:17.720 Eye, authenticity, which plays into surveillance which we are now, 0:13:18.640 --> 0:13:19.960 which is bearing down on all of us. 0:13:20.360 --> 0:13:24.000 And I think it's like it's kind of like sometimes 0:13:24.040 --> 0:13:26.600 they all get the same idea but in different ways, 0:13:27.000 --> 0:13:29.160 because I think it's obviously a cultural response, and I 0:13:29.240 --> 0:13:33.720 think they're all sort of responding to comment and perception 0:13:33.920 --> 0:13:35.360 culture at the same time. 0:13:37.000 --> 0:13:42.400 It's the Taylor Charlie are are a trifecta at this moment. Yeah, 0:13:42.679 --> 0:13:49.080 they're all at this time have recently gone about authenticity 0:13:49.240 --> 0:13:51.680 in their own individual ways. Yes, and so. 0:13:52.400 --> 0:13:54.959 Mayhem was just a moment a bit ago that we 0:13:55.040 --> 0:13:58.000 weren't doing that. I will also say this opens up 0:13:58.040 --> 0:14:00.760 a huge avenue for me to be enjoying the fuck 0:14:00.960 --> 0:14:04.640 out of confessions too, which we have not discussed on 0:14:04.679 --> 0:14:07.240 this podcast because we haven't not had the opportunity to 0:14:07.320 --> 0:14:10.400 do exactly exactly Dan Sitityria feels like a song we've 0:14:10.480 --> 0:14:11.240 always had. 0:14:11.280 --> 0:14:15.520 Well, it's Vogue New Basically, it's like, these are the 0:14:15.640 --> 0:14:17.839 names of people I love and and here we go 0:14:18.040 --> 0:14:21.240 and this was the vibe as I hope that if I. 0:14:21.280 --> 0:14:23.680 Ever run into Debbie Maysar on the third floor, that 0:14:23.840 --> 0:14:28.400 we that whatever we're doing turned into a party. Well, Debbie, 0:14:28.640 --> 0:14:30.360 I have to imagine that Debbie is a little bit 0:14:30.440 --> 0:14:32.800 like fuck now that this is what everyone's going to 0:14:32.800 --> 0:14:34.240 be saying to me for the rest of my life. 0:14:34.280 --> 0:14:37.520 Do you think she's mad? Though? Where did the champagne go? You? 0:14:38.160 --> 0:14:39.440 So you brought her all the way over there? I 0:14:39.480 --> 0:14:41.520 think Debbie and Madonna have it. Really, I'm just gonna. 0:14:41.760 --> 0:14:44.120 I'm totally justicebby Mazar came up. I feel like I 0:14:44.120 --> 0:14:47.680 should have. I think I think Debbie and Madonna have 0:14:47.920 --> 0:14:52.440 such a beautiful and also complicated Thank you, thank you 0:14:52.560 --> 0:14:53.360 so much. Oh my god. 0:14:53.440 --> 0:14:55.720 We also have to talk about. Speaking of beautiful and 0:14:55.800 --> 0:14:59.240 complicated relationships with Madonna, we also have to talk about 0:14:59.240 --> 0:15:01.400 who we ran into literally the other night after a 0:15:01.440 --> 0:15:03.800 little Shop of Horrors, when we went to Yes Say 0:15:03.840 --> 0:15:04.280 It with Us. 0:15:04.280 --> 0:15:10.400 Barton Trial Rosie o'donald O'Donnell. We just ran into her. 0:15:10.600 --> 0:15:13.440 And the first thing she says to us is she 0:15:13.600 --> 0:15:16.360 looks at Matt to goes you said that nice thing 0:15:16.440 --> 0:15:19.440 about me at the Tonys. And then I grabbed and 0:15:19.560 --> 0:15:21.040 then I grabbed both. 0:15:21.000 --> 0:15:24.360 Her hands in mine both, I said, and I clutched 0:15:24.360 --> 0:15:27.280 them and I said I did, and it's because I 0:15:27.440 --> 0:15:30.280 love you so much and you should have been up there. 0:15:31.160 --> 0:15:33.040 And then she was like, she was like, you know, 0:15:33.280 --> 0:15:35.520 that was very kind. She she didn't like agree and 0:15:35.640 --> 0:15:36.560 say yeah, I should have. 0:15:36.920 --> 0:15:39.080 That did not happen. She remained graceful. I don't think 0:15:39.120 --> 0:15:41.480 she wants to be on a stage. I think she's 0:15:41.520 --> 0:15:44.120 fine with being on to watch what happens. Yeah, I 0:15:44.280 --> 0:15:47.360 don't think she wants to be on a huge platform 0:15:47.800 --> 0:15:51.280 on display like that, so so that like the you know. 0:15:51.560 --> 0:15:54.080 The people that she's dealt with one hundred percent, I 0:15:54.240 --> 0:15:58.040 do just think sometimes and don't worry because we then 0:15:58.160 --> 0:16:00.840 quickly pivoted to how much she needs to come on 0:16:00.880 --> 0:16:02.640 the podcast, And I do think we'll have a time 0:16:02.680 --> 0:16:03.360 time with her. 0:16:03.480 --> 0:16:05.840 I think we would have a time, but I will 0:16:06.040 --> 0:16:06.480 say that. 0:16:08.440 --> 0:16:13.280 We would I think benefit from the healing moment that 0:16:13.440 --> 0:16:16.960 would be restoring Rosy O'Donnell to a place where she 0:16:17.240 --> 0:16:20.960 can entertain us and mass because I think she's one 0:16:21.040 --> 0:16:28.360 of the most important an effortless comedian slash hosts. And 0:16:28.400 --> 0:16:32.520 who really put that first part first, that we've had 0:16:32.600 --> 0:16:34.800 the privilege of being able to have access to it, 0:16:34.840 --> 0:16:36.400 and the fact that our access to her was just 0:16:36.480 --> 0:16:37.000 cut off. 0:16:36.880 --> 0:16:41.640 For me is I agree. I think a lot of 0:16:41.840 --> 0:16:47.840 the cut offness is her own choice, sure, and I 0:16:48.080 --> 0:16:49.840 don't think we should force her out into the open. 0:16:51.800 --> 0:16:55.120 It's an invitation at least to come here. Of course, 0:16:55.160 --> 0:16:59.360 although she did she did, it did surprise me and 0:16:59.440 --> 0:17:03.880 delight me that she was so flattered by your comment. 0:17:04.680 --> 0:17:07.239 First of all, and I realized you hadn't met yet, 0:17:07.520 --> 0:17:09.399 you had never never met her. So I tried, I'm like, 0:17:09.440 --> 0:17:12.480 do you know Bowen? And then she said, I believe 0:17:12.560 --> 0:17:15.359 you guys clasped both hands. I don't remember. I was 0:17:15.400 --> 0:17:18.639 blocked out as in like I was emotional. Let me 0:17:18.760 --> 0:17:20.520 correct the record. No, I was not. I was not 0:17:21.040 --> 0:17:22.879 on anything. I was just I was just I was 0:17:23.080 --> 0:17:24.080 very emotional meeting her. 0:17:24.200 --> 0:17:27.680 I for some reason knew that you would feel that way. 0:17:28.240 --> 0:17:31.800 It's Rosy, ohdonne. Not since Meredith Marks have I been 0:17:31.840 --> 0:17:36.240 so sure that you would need encouragement. 0:17:37.080 --> 0:17:40.040 I was thinking about you, what that you would need 0:17:40.160 --> 0:17:43.399 encourage that you were Rosie so overwhelmed after meeting Rosie. 0:17:43.400 --> 0:17:46.800 The rest of that, No, I I honestly like it 0:17:46.880 --> 0:17:50.800 must be the medication talking, because. 0:17:50.680 --> 0:17:53.320 I am not nervous anymore to like be like hey, 0:17:53.680 --> 0:17:54.280 like I don't know. 0:17:54.640 --> 0:18:01.440 I would have went years ago. I loved. Is that anything? 0:18:01.760 --> 0:18:05.359 It must be the medication talking. Is that anything? 0:18:05.760 --> 0:18:09.080 Jam Buffett? It's well, Jimy Buffet could never he was 0:18:09.119 --> 0:18:12.040 never un meds And I want to just respectfully, because 0:18:12.040 --> 0:18:14.399 I realized what I just did. I said, Jimmy Buffett 0:18:14.400 --> 0:18:17.040 could never. After I sang, that wasn't the way. 0:18:17.240 --> 0:18:19.840 Jimmy Buffett sang, you know what I mean, it sounds 0:18:20.000 --> 0:18:23.080 like a meat loaf, Jimmy Buffett, It's like some kind 0:18:23.119 --> 0:18:24.720 of it was kind of giving. 0:18:25.400 --> 0:18:28.440 Uh not Kenny Rodgers, but not not, you know what 0:18:28.520 --> 0:18:32.520 I mean? Who sang on Zoom the Street? Yeah, Kenny Rodgers? 0:18:32.640 --> 0:18:32.760 Right? 0:18:33.560 --> 0:18:35.680 Why where are my Kenny Rodgers people? 0:18:35.720 --> 0:18:38.080 I'm looking at every single person in the eyes and 0:18:38.160 --> 0:18:40.800 it's like, oh, there you are, Becca Ramos, there's my 0:18:40.960 --> 0:18:41.639 Kenny Rogers. 0:18:41.760 --> 0:18:48.639 Girly. Well, I know what I knew. What I was 0:18:48.680 --> 0:18:51.399 doing was brand new. I was just asking is it anything? Like? 0:18:51.600 --> 0:18:52.200 Is it a hit? 0:18:54.119 --> 0:18:54.159 You? 0:18:55.440 --> 0:18:59.560 It is not a hit. Your next album is supposedly 0:18:59.640 --> 0:19:04.639 about vacation, but I think you can make it. You 0:19:04.680 --> 0:19:06.760 can sort of fold in the surprise, which is it's 0:19:06.800 --> 0:19:10.320 about being medicated. Well, I'm going to Grand Rapids for 0:19:10.400 --> 0:19:12.920 four days to see the boys actually over labor New weeks. 0:19:12.960 --> 0:19:17.600 That's so Na May Actually what punt of paper? I 0:19:17.760 --> 0:19:20.480 love that? You should go to Saga Tak what's that? 0:19:20.800 --> 0:19:24.960 I think it's the it's the epcot Oh in Dansitaria, 0:19:25.040 --> 0:19:27.600 did we talk enough about Madonna? Probably not? Probably not. 0:19:27.840 --> 0:19:31.159 I mean, I don't fuck with it? Amazing, Well, I 0:19:31.320 --> 0:19:36.360 just I will. One of my favorite moments ever, I'm realizing, 0:19:36.720 --> 0:19:39.240 was just her on that German show being like, I 0:19:39.320 --> 0:19:41.520 have a problem with the fact that I that it's 0:19:41.600 --> 0:19:44.960 hot and there's no air in here. I'm suffocating, suffocating. 0:19:46.040 --> 0:19:50.639 Open the door now, it's unbelievable, I know. And the 0:19:50.680 --> 0:19:52.720 best part she says it for the end. She says 0:19:52.720 --> 0:19:54.760 it for the end, and well she goes, just give 0:19:54.800 --> 0:19:57.280 me a fan, Just give me a fan. The last line, 0:19:57.440 --> 0:20:00.600 last line is I can't even think chan through a question? 0:20:05.560 --> 0:20:09.120 Can I also say the temperature in here rocks? Rocks? 0:20:09.160 --> 0:20:11.840 Did you also change that? I love it here? Did 0:20:11.880 --> 0:20:14.960 you change everything for the better? Why am I about 0:20:15.000 --> 0:20:18.560 to burst into tears? So emotional? So so the medication 0:20:18.720 --> 0:20:21.760 is not stopping you from feeling emotion? Well yeah, I 0:20:21.840 --> 0:20:24.360 mean I could still certainly still have a panic attack. 0:20:25.560 --> 0:20:27.600 The way I hit the ground to say nothing of 0:20:27.880 --> 0:20:30.760 the By the way, he is back in like thirty minutes, 0:20:30.840 --> 0:20:31.800 and I oh. 0:20:31.720 --> 0:20:35.520 Got that Hillary duff show looked amazing, Charlotte. She's saying 0:20:35.680 --> 0:20:40.120 she brought out good charing the anthem Part two, Yes, 0:20:40.200 --> 0:20:44.119 part we did bowen one that goes this is the 0:20:48.280 --> 0:20:51.280 Don't Want to Be which, by the way, I kicked 0:20:51.320 --> 0:20:53.400 off a whole couple days. 0:20:53.160 --> 0:20:55.680 Of nostalgia listening for me. I ended up listening to 0:20:55.840 --> 0:20:58.960 Yellow Card. Oh wow last night, can I just say 0:20:59.040 --> 0:21:01.720 something broken? These fragile things now? 0:21:02.000 --> 0:21:06.720 And I can't. I can't pick up the pieces. We 0:21:06.960 --> 0:21:11.159 really we had a really nice because, like we were, 0:21:11.280 --> 0:21:13.199 we were forced to listen to a bunch of different 0:21:13.280 --> 0:21:14.960 ship all the time. 0:21:15.160 --> 0:21:18.840 Yeah, we had a colectic taste because it was the 0:21:18.960 --> 0:21:20.640